| schestowitz | http://www.informationweek.com/blog/main/archives/200... Alexander Wolfe attacking FODD again... *sigh* | Dec 18 00:34 |
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| schestowitz | Mandriva needs someone to proofread the blog... http://blog.mandriva.com/2008/12/17/mandriva-com... ... they need Adam back. | Dec 18 00:37 |
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| AlbertoP | long time :) | Dec 18 04:07 |
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| MinceR | j0 | Dec 18 10:27 |
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| schestowitz | Norning. | Dec 18 10:27 |
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| macabe | It seems that if these people had a valid point of discussion or concern they would be here at IRC. | Dec 18 12:06 |
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| schestowitz | The hecklers? | Dec 18 12:18 |
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| macabe | Yes, Too much off-topic bickering. | Dec 18 12:19 |
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| macabe | Don't know what their agenda is but reading those comments it's certainly sounds more like giving MS the benefit than FOSS advocacy. | Dec 18 12:20 |
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| macabe | One of them has an obsession with twitter. | Dec 18 12:21 |
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| schestowitz | More than one. | Dec 18 12:26 |
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| schestowitz | One of the stalkers went away | Dec 18 12:27 |
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| macabe | Most of the people here at the lab read the posts and skip the comments they make. | Dec 18 12:32 |
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| schestowitz | The hecklers have a goal: since big sites like Slashdot and LinuxToday casually link us they just try to shout and wave hands to say "stop linking here". They just don't like the message, that's all.. | Dec 18 12:36 |
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| schestowitz | "Sony is reeling, with 16,000 job losses and restructuring looming for its sprawling electronics division. " http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008... | Dec 18 12:39 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/12/17/... | Dec 18 12:41 |
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| schestowitz | "Brad Goldberg, general manager for Live Search, has reportedly become the latest online executive to quit the company. Goldberg, who's joining investment-firm Peak 6, apparently launched Microsoft's Live Search cash-back programs and is the latest executive to leave Microsoft's online business." | Dec 18 12:41 |
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| schestowitz | Bribery man | Dec 18 12:42 |
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| twitter | Royal Navy is rooted http://tech.slashdot.org/tech/08/12/... | Dec 18 14:31 |
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| schestowitz | "During the presidential campaign, Obama repeatedly promised to "stop giving tax breaks to companies that ship jobs overseas," and to provide incentives that help companies keep jobs in the U.S. Since his election, Obama has not unveiled a detailed plan for H-1B visas." < http://www.pcworld.com/article/155651/h1b_vis... > | Dec 18 14:31 |
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| schestowitz | So the question is, will the Russian cracker beat the Chinese cracker to it? The UK is hostage of Microsoft, so it's not surprising. Some people at the top need toppliing. | Dec 18 14:33 |
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| schestowitz | Here is a fool who thinks that Microsoft Office makes a device 'enterprise-ready' http://www.pcworld.com/article/155658/android_en... Oh, yeah... "Enterprise" = Microsoft | Dec 18 14:36 |
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| twitter | It might not be surprising but it is insane. | Dec 18 14:36 |
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| twitter | RMS and the EFF noticed some disturbing news from Obama's change.org http://www.eff.org/deeplinks/20... | Dec 18 14:37 |
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| schestowitz | Yes, I saw that. | Dec 18 14:37 |
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| twitter | Device sync. I don't think anyone is going to fall for M$ device sync again. | Dec 18 14:38 |
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| schestowitz | I'm prepared to vilify whoever let's the government be run by the MAFIAA, but it's inevitable the system is corrupt. Speaking of which, its corruption is what may also lead to nuclear holocaust. | Dec 18 14:38 |
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| schestowitz | Consider the propaganda about Cuba and Granada.. with nuclear missiles and all... that's all conducted by people who sell fear and care not for logic. | Dec 18 14:39 |
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| schestowitz | St00pid Beeb... "signs of recovery"... sure, cancerous gadgets help kids.. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/77... | Dec 18 14:40 |
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| twitter | Back in the 60s missiles in Cuba were a big deal. The USSR could have made a first strike work. Today, with submarine arsenals, it's all bullshit. | Dec 18 14:41 |
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| schestowitz | Even back then it was BS from what I can gather. | Dec 18 14:41 |
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| twitter | No, it was a real threat back then, when USSR targeting sucked. | Dec 18 14:42 |
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| schestowitz | To this date, many years later, they still punish Cuban citizens in illegal ways. They want to lead people to overthrowing the government due to US-imposed sanctions. | Dec 18 14:42 |
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| schestowitz | Millions more Windows zombies, according to Microsoft stats (which always are order of magnitude lower): http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technolo... | Dec 18 14:43 |
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| twitter | I do not like tyrants and agree with trade sanctions, even though my country has betrayed such principles by trading with China. | Dec 18 14:44 |
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| schestowitz | It owes China trillions, I imagine. | Dec 18 14:45 |
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| schestowitz | Why should Cuba suffer? | Dec 18 14:45 |
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| schestowitz | Only the US sanctions/embargoes them. Is the world world but the US wrong? | Dec 18 14:45 |
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| schestowitz | At a social level, American (as in US) does great injustice to people. | Dec 18 14:46 |
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| twitter | Trade with China has decimated US industry and imperiled US civil rights. It has also strengthened China's abusive government. | Dec 18 14:48 |
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| schestowitz | Money for nothing: "The software company said yesterday that Primax has entered into a “non-exclusive licensing agreement covering Microsoft’s patents for U2 and Tilt Wheel technology”." http://www.channelregister.co.uk/2008/12/18/m... | Dec 18 14:48 |
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| twitter | Our trade policy with Cuba was modeled on our trade policy with the USSR and China. | Dec 18 14:48 |
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| schestowitz | I'm not so sure anymore that the US is more civil than China. | Dec 18 14:49 |
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| schestowitz | I mean, it does get worse over time. | Dec 18 14:49 |
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| twitter | Well, yeah, that's what happens when you give up your principles. | Dec 18 14:49 |
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| schestowitz | "Failed State" | Dec 18 14:50 |
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| schestowitz | The "Us" versus "Them" meme blinds the Americans to hypocrisy. China is far from the only example. | Dec 18 14:51 |
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| twitter | It is the kind of ignorance broadcast media creates. Thankfully, that age is dying. | Dec 18 14:51 |
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| schestowitz | I'm not sure. | Dec 18 14:52 |
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| schestowitz | They hope for a Renaissance. For DRM too. | Dec 18 14:53 |
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| twitter | Sure it is. Look at your traffic compared to the fate of "real" newspapers. | Dec 18 14:53 |
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| schestowitz | When they can't control the minds anymore, than they facilitate new mechanisms (mostly laws) to change it at all costs. | Dec 18 14:53 |
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| twitter | Broadcast is still powerful, but there's considerable hope centralized control is over. | Dec 18 14:54 |
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| twitter | The costs they ask are too great. | Dec 18 14:54 |
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| schestowitz | Most people don't rely on the Internet | Dec 18 14:54 |
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| schestowitz | It's easy for us to be blinded and think that Slashdot and Digg, for example, reach more than the same niche | Dec 18 14:54 |
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| twitter | Everyone in a position to make decisions relies on the internet. | Dec 18 14:54 |
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| schestowitz | Television is still VERY MUCH cetralised. YouTube is a minority thing. | Dec 18 14:55 |
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| twitter | TV is irrelevant. My wife is a mommy blogger and I can tell you that opinion shaping has fundamentally changed. | Dec 18 14:56 |
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| schestowitz | COmpanies cease development but US military carries on.. US Navy's robot stealth carrier plane unveiled < http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/12/18/x4... >? | Dec 18 14:57 |
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| twitter | The crowd she talks to crosses all sorts of social, economic and geographic boundaries. | Dec 18 14:57 |
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| schestowitz | Also this: US nuclear bomb lab develops 'self-warming' hand cream < http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/12/1... > | Dec 18 14:57 |
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| twitter | The most popular US TV show now gets a whopping 30 million viewers. Youtube puts that to shame. | Dec 18 14:58 |
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| schestowitz | "In Nuclear we trust" | Dec 18 14:59 |
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| twitter | That show is American Idol. | Dec 18 14:59 |
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| schestowitz | YouTube reaches 30 million, I think. | Dec 18 14:59 |
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| schestowitz | Maybe that's the monthly uniques, I can't recall for sure, but I posted this in IRC last week. | Dec 18 14:59 |
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| schestowitz | YouTube too is poisoned by brainwash now. Then there's the throttling/cap/filtering issue. | Dec 18 15:00 |
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| twitter | Where the hell is Matt videos have 14 million views. | Dec 18 15:01 |
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| twitter | The poison is less effective when the community is free to express itself. | Dec 18 15:01 |
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| twitter | This is a positive change, and it's having a real impact on decision makers. | Dec 18 15:02 |
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| twitter | Broadcast credibility has never been lower. Other voices are filling the void. | Dec 18 15:03 |
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| schestowitz | Obama is a good example | Dec 18 15:03 |
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| schestowitz | His success is partly attributed to the Web. | Dec 18 15:03 |
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| twitter | Yes, and that success had to be overwhelming to overcome vote rigging and racism. | Dec 18 15:04 |
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| schestowitz | Another example is Singapore (?? IIRC ??) where Gillmor et al with citizens journalists changed the regime. | Dec 18 15:04 |
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| schestowitz | Web criminals jump off the ship... http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/12/18/ph... | Dec 18 15:04 |
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| schestowitz | Another victory for freedom | Dec 18 15:05 |
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| schestowitz | [H]omer blocks anyone whose ISP uses the Phorm virus. | Dec 18 15:05 |
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| schestowitz | "It is worth making a substantial effort to avoid watching the US mainstream media, since they are designed to mislead people, and it takes work to overcome their effects." < http://www.stallman.org/archives/2008-sep-dec.html... > | Dec 18 15:06 |
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| schestowitz | I pointed this out yesterday (PRWatch) in a conversation about WSJ's attack on Google and Net neutrality (WSJ still published in paper and requires subs on the Web) | Dec 18 15:07 |
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| twitter | As these giants fail, their deception becomes more extreme and obvious. | Dec 18 15:08 |
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| twitter | The thing that makes that failure possible is the web, where more accurate and complete information can be found. | Dec 18 15:09 |
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| schestowitz | MSNBC/MSN? | Dec 18 15:09 |
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| twitter | bbl | Dec 18 15:09 |
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| *benJIman_ is now known as benJIMan | Dec 18 16:06 |
| *benJIMan is now known as benJIman | Dec 18 16:06 |
| schestowitz | BN is at the Mail&Guardian: http://www.thoughtleader.co.za/mandydewaal/200... | Dec 18 16:13 |
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| schestowitz | We're also in Yahoo!: http://tech.yahoo.com/news/infoworld/20... | Dec 18 16:14 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.techradar.com/news/software... "LXF: Do you ever have to pretend that the Novell/Microsoft covenant deal didn't happen? [...] I wonder if signs of the patent agreements are quietening down -- you don't hear so much about it." He's not paying attention. | Dec 18 16:17 |
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| neighborlee | :) | Dec 18 16:27 |
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| schestowitz | A minute ago I saw the comment from Jose_X in http://us.rd.yahoo.com/dailynews/rss/search/novell... | Dec 18 16:30 |
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| schestowitz | Read the one from Jose_X (if not the others too) | Dec 18 16:30 |
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| schestowitz | Oh, this one too (there are two): http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?lts... | Dec 18 16:32 |
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| neighborlee | checking | Dec 18 16:34 |
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| neighborlee | if ubuntu is the best shot we're all in trouble :) | Dec 18 16:35 |
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| neighborlee | my friend, who supporters ubuntu, but NOT mono, had to go from 8.10 back to 8.04 due to some sort of problem, and he is every bit a geek and capable as the best of any of us, so that says alot I think. | Dec 18 16:36 |
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| neighborlee | but then again a distro supporting a known monopolist is troubling anyway :) | Dec 18 16:36 |
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| neighborlee | bbl sorry things to do o_0 | Dec 18 16:38 |
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| schestowitz | Should another petition be run? | Dec 18 16:40 |
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| schestowitz | Someone suggested that I do this. | Dec 18 16:40 |
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| schestowitz | Condition/stake: if GNOME stays with Mono, then there will be a defection. Those who proposed it would sign. | Dec 18 16:40 |
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| neighborlee | ok I slightly lied im here ( car warming up yadda..),, | Dec 18 16:48 |
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| neighborlee | I hate forking..but in this case it might be necessary if the powers at gnome wont stop using mono | Dec 18 16:49 |
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| schestowitz | It can be branched | Dec 18 16:49 |
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| neighborlee | yes | Dec 18 16:49 |
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| schestowitz | As long as there's no Mono deep inside.. BUT | Dec 18 16:49 |
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| schestowitz | The solution is not branching if projects like Ubuntu remains apathetic or careless | Dec 18 16:50 |
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| MinceR | hm, a branch could also be an opportunity to start copying kde again | Dec 18 16:50 |
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| neighborlee | yes | Dec 18 16:50 |
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| MinceR | instead of copying macos | Dec 18 16:50 |
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| schestowitz | Heh. | Dec 18 16:50 |
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| neighborlee | somethign clearly needs to be done to get ubuntuj 's attention | Dec 18 16:50 |
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| schestowitz | Well, they copy OS X you reckon? | Dec 18 16:50 |
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| neighborlee | or anyone else that deals with mono at the danger of the entire foss communiity | Dec 18 16:50 |
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| MinceR | yes | Dec 18 16:50 |
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| schestowitz | Removing options is philosophy. | Dec 18 16:50 |
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| neighborlee | and that includes dvd version of fedora | Dec 18 16:50 |
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| schestowitz | It's not a model | Dec 18 16:50 |
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| MinceR | dumbing down everywhere, putting menu on top | Dec 18 16:51 |
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| schestowitz | .Or metaphor | Dec 18 16:51 |
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| MinceR | (even if it's a different menu) | Dec 18 16:51 |
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| schestowitz | Actually, KDE can be made to behave like OS X | Dec 18 16:51 |
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| MinceR | worst of all, copying the apple HIG | Dec 18 16:51 |
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| neighborlee | yes gnome dumbing things down is very annoying..just as linus :)) | Dec 18 16:51 |
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| neighborlee | as/ask | Dec 18 16:51 |
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| schestowitz | Some years back I hd OS X-like top menu (global) | Dec 18 16:51 |
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| MinceR | with the stupid dialog button order | Dec 18 16:51 |
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| schestowitz | Ity's an ORDER | Dec 18 16:51 |
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| MinceR | it's stupid and it hinders usability | Dec 18 16:52 |
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| neighborlee | though unless i misssed something..eve kde4 is dumbing things down a bit..the 'root' dialgoue stuff is gone from alt-F2 | Dec 18 16:54 |
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| neighborlee | asking in #kde | Dec 18 16:55 |
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| neighborlee | now I actuallly need to go :))..<warmed> :) | Dec 18 16:55 |
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| neighborlee | cu latres gaters | Dec 18 16:56 |
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| trmanco | hi everybody | Dec 18 17:12 |
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| trmanco | my phone line was dead | Dec 18 17:12 |
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| trmanco | and I had no adsl | Dec 18 17:12 |
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| trmanco | :| | Dec 18 17:12 |
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| schestowitz | Hey, wb | Dec 18 17:12 |
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| trmanco | since the 10th of this month | Dec 18 17:12 |
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| trmanco | thanks | Dec 18 17:12 |
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| trmanco | anything urgent I need to know? | Dec 18 17:25 |
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| schestowitz | Yes. | Dec 18 17:26 |
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| trmanco | what? | Dec 18 17:27 |
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| schestowitz | The pyramid schemes unfold. :-) | Dec 18 17:28 |
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| trmanco | LOL | Dec 18 17:29 |
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| schestowitz | Decades of corruption start to cascade. | Dec 18 17:30 |
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| schestowitz | Microsoft could be next, assuming the analysis was correct | Dec 18 17:31 |
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| trmanco | good | Dec 18 17:32 |
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| schestowitz | The Apple fanboism at OStatis shows: http://ostatic.com/blog/apples-january-macworld-... | Dec 18 17:32 |
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| schestowitz | I'm tired of so-called 'open source' blogs which pretend Apple is a friend of open source just because it competes against Microsoft. Asay, BTW, is attacking Google now, based on WSJ disinformation | Dec 18 17:33 |
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| trmanco | Asay? | Dec 18 17:33 |
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| schestowitz | The Mac blogger | Dec 18 17:35 |
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| trmanco | lol | Dec 18 17:36 |
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| trmanco | still? | Dec 18 17:36 |
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| trmanco | argh | Dec 18 17:36 |
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| schestowitz | This enters News feeds because CNETsoft entertains his ramblings. | Dec 18 17:37 |
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| schestowitz | "Now, however, the online communication has a different look. Instead of IRC and Usenet, it's Facebook and Twitter. " http://www.linuxjournal.com/content/end... ERR..... no. | Dec 18 17:49 |
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| schestowitz | Most people I know can't stand the nags from that intrusive spyware called Facebook | Dec 18 17:50 |
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| schestowitz | Heh. Less than a minute later come another nag to the Inbox... "X invited you to cause Y" | Dec 18 17:51 |
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| schestowitz | OSCON is not about open source. Microsoft will be there as usual and after last year it's clear that it's no place for Free software. Embrace, extend... | Dec 18 17:54 |
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| twitter | Wow, BN is used to FUD Google in the Mail and Guardian. BN is referenced to slime former Novell employee and current Google employee with the same kind of crap you've we've caught M$ doing. | Dec 18 18:21 |
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| neighborlee | this whole 'free software' vs 'open source' is just weird, or am I missing something ? | Dec 18 18:21 |
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| twitter | You are missing M$ abuse of both terms and fake flame wars. | Dec 18 18:22 |
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| neighborlee | no | Dec 18 18:22 |
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| neighborlee | one sec sorry | Dec 18 18:23 |
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| neighborlee | on phone | Dec 18 18:23 |
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| trmanco | Free Software Foundation Files Suit Against Cisco For GPL Violations | Dec 18 18:23 |
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| trmanco | cool | Dec 18 18:23 |
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| neighborlee | o_0 | Dec 18 18:23 |
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| twitter | The Yahoo BN reference is funny. Wallmart is downright honest next to M$. | Dec 18 18:24 |
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| twitter | No 30% margins there. | Dec 18 18:24 |
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| twitter | gotta go. | Dec 18 18:24 |
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| schestowitz | I just spent a while getting that 700MB video of Miguel's interview with MS | Dec 18 18:24 |
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| schestowitz | having watching the relevant part... | Dec 18 18:25 |
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| schestowitz | He gravitates to complaining about Windows 3.1 crashes | Dec 18 18:25 |
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| schestowitz | Nothing about crimes | Dec 18 18:25 |
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| schestowitz | Nothing about bullying | Dec 18 18:25 |
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| schestowitz | Nothing about bribes. | Dec 18 18:25 |
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| schestowitz | Nothing. | Dec 18 18:25 |
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| schestowitz | CUddly Microsoft. | Dec 18 18:25 |
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| schestowitz | It's demonised | Dec 18 18:25 |
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| schestowitz | It's "stigmatised" | Dec 18 18:25 |
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| schestowitz | Poor Microsoft | Dec 18 18:25 |
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| schestowitz | Happy to collaborate with them.. | Dec 18 18:26 |
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| schestowitz | He talks with the Microsoft people who are shy to say that they work for this criminal organisation (fact, with convictions) | Dec 18 18:26 |
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| neighborlee | ok | Dec 18 18:26 |
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| schestowitz | It's trulty amazing how he compared Microsoft to political smears | Dec 18 18:26 |
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| neighborlee | regarding the free vs open source | Dec 18 18:26 |
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| neighborlee | I was referring to: http://www.informationweek.com/blog/main/a... | Dec 18 18:26 |
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| schestowitz | Microsoft.. the poor thing is a victim of those 'bad people' | Dec 18 18:27 |
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| neighborlee | and agree with this guy..its a head scratcher ;) | Dec 18 18:27 |
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| schestowitz | Anothetr thing.. | Dec 18 18:27 |
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| schestowitz | While it's freash in my mind as I won't trascribe | Dec 18 18:27 |
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| neighborlee | :) | Dec 18 18:27 |
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| schestowitz | If the thing wasn't a massive WMV file I'd crop out a clip of the relevant bits | Dec 18 18:27 |
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| schestowitz | He pretends it's just the name that are problems, using GTE (??) as an example of a company that needed to change its name to escape bad reputation. A marketing company said it would take a whole generation for the bad name to pass.. | Dec 18 18:28 |
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| schestowitz | Anyway... that was enlightening seeing Miguel and Microsoft... saying he'd work with them and all. | Dec 18 18:28 |
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| neighborlee | ? | Dec 18 18:29 |
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| neighborlee | so he really is working at M$ ??? | Dec 18 18:29 |
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| neighborlee | I saw his log but notihng about that | Dec 18 18:29 |
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| schestowitz | Is Google really attacked there? | Dec 18 18:29 |
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| neighborlee | where | Dec 18 18:30 |
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| neighborlee | oh..I see a google reference at bottom of that url I posted yes..dunno never looked into it | Dec 18 18:30 |
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| schestowitz | neighborlee: you're linking to the anti-Linux shill, Alex Wolfe | Dec 18 18:30 |
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| schestowitz | Groklaw sort of accused him of "Anti-Linux Jihad", IIRC\ | Dec 18 18:30 |
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| neighborlee | ic | Dec 18 18:31 |
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| neighborlee | but still I dont get this open source vs free software stuf | Dec 18 18:31 |
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| schestowitz | neighborlee: Miguel doesn't work AT Microsoft, but he pretty much serves them these days | Dec 18 18:31 |
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| neighborlee | heh | Dec 18 18:31 |
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| neighborlee | there is that ;) | Dec 18 18:31 |
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| schestowitz | He might still be on Microsoft's campus at the moment. | Dec 18 18:31 |
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| schestowitz | open source is moving target | Dec 18 18:31 |
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| neighborlee | so much for the whole ' I didn't want to embrace mono' story o_0 | Dec 18 18:31 |
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| neighborlee | oh, but long as its there..LETS DO IT !! | Dec 18 18:32 |
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| neighborlee | :) | Dec 18 18:32 |
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| schestowitz | It's ripping Free software, renaming it, then reshaping it (and people that accompany it) | Dec 18 18:32 |
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| schestowitz | It's like Tim ORLY EEEing Free software | Dec 18 18:32 |
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| schestowitz | Then inviting Ballmer to tht party, mooching GNU projects for so-called Web 2.0 etc. | Dec 18 18:32 |
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| schestowitz | I'll keep this video for a while for future ref (Miguelsoft) | Dec 18 18:33 |
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| neighborlee | ok kewl | Dec 18 18:33 |
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| schestowitz | What is THIS bizarre page that entered Google News? http://blog.thestar.com.my/permal... | Dec 18 18:38 |
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| schestowitz | People should not publish stuff while stoned. | Dec 18 18:39 |
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| schestowitz | "Perhaps the most visible sign of climate change is the Arctic's shrinking sea ice cover. Concerns are growing that we are reaching a point at which the transition to an ice-free Arctic Ocean in summer becomes a rapid one." http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/commentat... | Dec 18 18:43 |
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| schestowitz | "And Google struggles in full public view because the behemoth is the purveyor of transparency and information freedoms. Each time Google stumbles like it did by capitulating to China’s demands to self-censor; or when the company’s products and services are used to do harm as seen with media reports that Google Earth was used by terrorists in the Mumbai Attacks; business, public and investor sentiment will be tested." | Dec 18 18:46 |
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| schestowitz | More of that Wintel idiocy is echoed by the Indian press and now in South Africa... like they couldn't use a simple map!!! | Dec 18 18:46 |
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| schestowitz | Beranger takes a piss at US healthcare: http://beranger.org/index.php?page=diary&... | Dec 18 18:50 |
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| neighborlee | so you dont buy into climate change I take it :) | Dec 18 18:52 |
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| neighborlee | or some other reason | Dec 18 18:52 |
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| neighborlee | how is it bad to self sensor , hmmmm | Dec 18 18:53 |
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| schestowitz | "Buy into? It's a reality | Dec 18 18:53 |
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| neighborlee | no i mean | Dec 18 18:53 |
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| neighborlee | hmm | Dec 18 18:53 |
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| schestowitz | The only lies are manufactured by oil companies | Dec 18 18:53 |
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| schestowitz | They try to ruin conszensus like PR companies. | Dec 18 18:53 |
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| neighborlee | we had a commmunication problem ;) | Dec 18 18:53 |
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| neighborlee | I meant | Dec 18 18:53 |
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| neighborlee | ... | Dec 18 18:53 |
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| neighborlee | heh | Dec 18 18:53 |
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| neighborlee | ACK! | Dec 18 18:53 |
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| neighborlee | :) | Dec 18 18:53 |
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| neighborlee | I meant that I agree, that climate change is a reality | Dec 18 18:54 |
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| schestowitz | The fate of human kind depends on it | Dec 18 18:54 |
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| neighborlee | a stark and dangerous, and of course, a inconvenient for some reality ;) | Dec 18 18:54 |
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| neighborlee | it definitely does yes | Dec 18 18:54 |
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| neighborlee | oh hey btw | Dec 18 18:54 |
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| schestowitz | Unless there's solidarity and opposition to treating the planet like a garbage dump with infinite capacity, lots of us are doomed | Dec 18 18:55 |
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| neighborlee | do you believe in this supposed..illuminati thing ? | Dec 18 18:55 |
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| neighborlee | yes..thankfully obama 'gets it' though | Dec 18 18:55 |
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| neighborlee | whew ;)) | Dec 18 18:55 |
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| schestowitz | No | Dec 18 18:55 |
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| neighborlee | lets hope he can fight the system << | Dec 18 18:55 |
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| schestowitz | No .illuminat thing | Dec 18 18:55 |
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| neighborlee | ok just wondering | Dec 18 18:55 |
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| neighborlee | my friend brought over a video he downloaded.. | Dec 18 18:55 |
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| neighborlee | and I find it silly | Dec 18 18:55 |
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| schestowitz | It gives a bad name to analysts of reality beyong govt. PR | Dec 18 18:55 |
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| neighborlee | ie: no proof | Dec 18 18:55 |
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| schestowitz | neighborlee: *LOL* Obama fight the system? | Dec 18 18:56 |
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| neighborlee | just alot of discussion and pretend groups out to get us ;) | Dec 18 18:56 |
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| neighborlee | yes, fight the system | Dec 18 18:56 |
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| schestowitz | That's like having a rook beat 12 pawns | Dec 18 18:56 |
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| schestowitz | Or 34000 of them | Dec 18 18:56 |
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| neighborlee | well..no one said its going to be easy ;) | Dec 18 18:56 |
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| neighborlee | but atl east he's no bush. | Dec 18 18:56 |
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| neighborlee | ....at | Dec 18 18:56 |
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| neighborlee | bush is removing safeguards in many areas, as he leaves office..or he's going to try to anyway...he did it all ON election day | Dec 18 18:57 |
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| schestowitz | The "skull and bones" thing is the most stupid | Dec 18 18:57 |
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| neighborlee | sneaky, immoral..that defines bush. | Dec 18 18:57 |
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| neighborlee | yes ,but its real | Dec 18 18:57 |
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| schestowitz | And I had SUSE strangers mailing me to say Bush is a member. | Dec 18 18:57 |
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| neighborlee | well,at least thats how this video preseneted it anyway | Dec 18 18:57 |
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| neighborlee | I can't say, I dont know anyone IN the group LOL | Dec 18 18:58 |
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| neighborlee | :) | Dec 18 18:58 |
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| schestowitz | Rrright... so after a hard day's work Geroge goes to skulls and coffins parties... rrright..... | Dec 18 18:58 |
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| neighborlee | suse strangers ey ;))))scary stuff ;0-0 | Dec 18 18:58 |
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| neighborlee | lol | Dec 18 18:58 |
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| neighborlee | yes I agree it all sounds a bit elitist,, | Dec 18 18:58 |
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| schestowitz | A lot of SUSer are | Dec 18 18:59 |
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| schestowitz | *ers | Dec 18 18:59 |
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| schestowitz | One of them was angry at me cause I wouldn't believe him... | Dec 18 18:59 |
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| neighborlee | however, I do think its true about elitist groups in control of our world , or trying to be..and war,,war is profitable for some...control the masses | Dec 18 18:59 |
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| neighborlee | I only saw this video once, but they did make a good case for it | Dec 18 19:00 |
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| schestowitz | That 9/11 was taken down by Bush et al and that Bones&Skulls is all that it stands for. | Dec 18 19:00 |
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| neighborlee | oh ic | Dec 18 19:00 |
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| neighborlee | well | Dec 18 19:00 |
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| neighborlee | I do think,,that when bush just sat there with those children was pathetic | Dec 18 19:00 |
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| schestowitz | neighborlee: yes, the elitsists do control things, but they don't sleep in coffins and cherish the almighty illuminati | Dec 18 19:00 |
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| neighborlee | an adult would have excused themselves gracefully..the kids would have been fine with it..but he just sat there smiling | Dec 18 19:01 |
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| neighborlee | that WAS weird. ;) | Dec 18 19:01 |
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| schestowitz | Bush has children? Scary. | Dec 18 19:01 |
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| neighborlee | schestowitz, yeah I know , it does sound a bit out there | Dec 18 19:01 |
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| neighborlee | LOL | Dec 18 19:01 |
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| schestowitz | What does his wife teach at school? | Dec 18 19:01 |
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| neighborlee | lol | Dec 18 19:01 |
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| neighborlee | how to commit war crimes 101 I guess | Dec 18 19:02 |
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| schestowitz | How the brvae cowboys slaughtered natives that had WMoD? | Dec 18 19:02 |
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| neighborlee | thats where bush learned it apparantly o_0 | Dec 18 19:02 |
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| schestowitz | *WoMD | Dec 18 19:02 |
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| neighborlee | lol | Dec 18 19:02 |
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| neighborlee | yup ;)) | Dec 18 19:02 |
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| neighborlee | ok need to take something back to store..bbl :)) | Dec 18 19:02 |
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| neighborlee | greart conversation..bbl | Dec 18 19:02 |
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| schestowitz | AT age 5 the kids must learn about witches. | Dec 18 19:02 |
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| schestowitz | Why? The instill values of fear | Dec 18 19:02 |
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| schestowitz | Then, having ruined their feeble minds and they have nightmares at night you can tell them about Saddam, | Dec 18 19:03 |
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| schestowitz | Never mind if the previous Bushes were bodies of Saddam... now he's bad... giving no access to oil/. | Dec 18 19:03 |
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| schestowitz | TROLLS! http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=dfReGE5VNDM | Dec 18 20:22 |
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| neighborlee | nasty lol | Dec 18 20:32 |
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| schestowitz | I've put that up: http://boycottnovell.com/2008/12/18/t... | Dec 18 20:33 |
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| schestowitz | Merry xmas, you're sacked... WD lops off 2,500 jobs and one fab < http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/101... > | Dec 18 20:34 |
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| neighborlee | lol | Dec 18 20:35 |
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| neighborlee | I mean about season video ;) | Dec 18 20:35 |
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| schestowitz | Why do they wait until now with layoff announcement? | Dec 18 20:35 |
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| schestowitz | This just showed up in my "Novell" youtube feed: http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=pJ9ErH5n1Gk | Dec 18 20:41 |
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| neighborlee | schestowitz, seems the annoyance of having to do kdesu from kd4 alt-f2 is on purpose at least according to mandriva channel...I guess poor linus will have to consider a change from kde now :), as ive noticed this same behavior in fedora an kde4 as well o_0 | Dec 18 21:49 |
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| schestowitz | Is this the intended behaviour? | Dec 18 22:01 |
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| seller_liar | Hey Roy | Dec 18 22:23 |
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| seller_liar | I 'm little bit worried about windowz 7 sins | Dec 18 22:23 |
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| seller_liar | What we must do? | Dec 18 22:23 |
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| seller_liar | And M$ will try to push Intel for buy more hardware | Dec 18 22:24 |
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| schestowitz | Hey | Dec 18 22:25 |
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| schestowitz | They are f*ed | Dec 18 22:26 |
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| schestowitz | The trouble is perception about Vista7, not the thing itself. | Dec 18 22:26 |
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| seller_liar | what perception? | Dec 18 22:26 |
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| seller_liar | It will destroy mac and Linux? | Dec 18 22:26 |
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| seller_liar | It's like a phoenix for windows? | Dec 18 22:27 |
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| seller_liar | reborn windows? | Dec 18 22:27 |
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| schestowitz | No, it's Vista. | Dec 18 22:28 |
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| schestowitz | New name and some GUI elements, bribed bloggers, manipulated journalists, etc. | Dec 18 22:29 |
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| seller_liar | I do not believe in a better OS in only 2 years | Dec 18 22:29 |
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| schestowitz | It was the same with Vista in 2005/06. | Dec 18 22:29 |
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| trmanco | Vista rebundled | Dec 18 22:29 |
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| schestowitz | :-) | Dec 18 22:29 |
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| trmanco | or in this case reloaded with loads of bloatware | Dec 18 22:29 |
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| schestowitz | The Real Mojave (R) | Dec 18 22:29 |
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| seller_liar | More DRM and forced upgrades | Dec 18 22:30 |
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| schestowitz | Good luck getting past the corrupted media to say this. | Dec 18 22:30 |
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| schestowitz | Granted, many bloggers managed to get the warnings out because old media is dying. | Dec 18 22:30 |
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| schestowitz | the CostOfDRM docs made it through | Dec 18 22:31 |
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| seller_liar | There are a place about problems of Vista 7? | Dec 18 22:31 |
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| schestowitz | Yes | Dec 18 22:34 |
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| schestowitz | BN has some | Dec 18 22:34 |
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| schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/category/vista-7/ | Dec 18 22:35 |
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| seller_liar | Thanks | Dec 18 22:35 |
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| seller_liar | I was thinking ..... | Dec 18 22:35 |
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| seller_liar | A good thing is create a ethics portal | Dec 18 22:35 |
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| seller_liar | Where the portal is divided in analysts and projectists | Dec 18 22:36 |
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| seller_liar | Analysts like Boycott Novell helps projectitis create plans and good documents about bad companies | Dec 18 22:36 |
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| seller_liar | And this portal can host BoycottNike, BoycottIntel, BoycottMcDonalds and so on | Dec 18 22:37 |
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| seller_liar | And people is free to create projects and documents about bad tactics of these companies | Dec 18 22:37 |
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| schestowitz | Who would maintain it? | Dec 18 22:38 |
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| schestowitz | We had 3 domain but hosting is not free (registration is cheaper) | Dec 18 22:38 |
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| seller_liar | I do not know ,but is good and efficient idea | Dec 18 22:38 |
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| seller_liar | Not m$ need to boycotted ,but intel and nike needs too | Dec 18 22:39 |
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| seller_liar | Not only m$ needs to be boycotted | Dec 18 22:40 |
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| seller_liar | but intel and nike too | Dec 18 22:40 |
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| seller_liar | ethics analysts can be bloggers and others | Dec 18 22:40 |
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| seller_liar | projectists receives information from analysts and start to plan projects | Dec 18 22:41 |
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| seller_liar | For example | Dec 18 22:41 |
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| seller_liar | How to stop people to buy nike? | Dec 18 22:41 |
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| seller_liar | How to inform people about bad companies? | Dec 18 22:41 |
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| schestowitz | I know | Dec 18 22:43 |
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| schestowitz | There is a limit to one's capacity | Dec 18 22:43 |
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| schestowitz | Will you register a domain? | Dec 18 22:43 |
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| schestowitz | This would be more handy than a book because books are fading away, maybe eBooks too | Dec 18 22:43 |
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| seller_liar | No , at Moment It's only a idea | Dec 18 22:43 |
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| seller_liar | I was thinking about .net at moment | Dec 18 22:43 |
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| schestowitz | Is it just Nike? | Dec 18 22:44 |
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| schestowitz | Nike is part of a broader trend of wage slavery. | Dec 18 22:44 |
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| schestowitz | Microsoft attacks Freedom. Apple too. | Dec 18 22:44 |
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| seller_liar | No , Intel ,McDonalds,(put your bad company here) | Dec 18 22:44 |
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| seller_liar | The portal serves for every type of company | Dec 18 22:44 |
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| seller_liar | Analysts can investigate the company day-by-day | Dec 18 22:45 |
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| seller_liar | and projectists create papers and projects according | Dec 18 22:45 |
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| seller_liar | with analyst analysis | Dec 18 22:45 |
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| seller_liar | Did you understand? | Dec 18 22:46 |
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| schestowitz | Like PRwatch? | Dec 18 22:46 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.prwatch.org/ | Dec 18 22:47 |
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| schestowitz | What is "analyst" anyway? | Dec 18 22:47 |
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| schestowitz | I could register myself as an analysts. So what? | Dec 18 22:47 |
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| seller_liar | Prwathc is very formal | Dec 18 22:47 |
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| seller_liar | You are a analyst | Dec 18 22:47 |
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| schestowitz | Look at idiocies like "Enderle Group", which is a one man group where one day he's president, another day a senior/principal analyst or founder or whatever... | Dec 18 22:48 |
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| seller_liar | Analyst is a peole interested in investigating the ethics problem about some company | Dec 18 22:48 |
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| schestowitz | Not really. | Dec 18 22:48 |
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| seller_liar | Everybody can be a analyst | Dec 18 22:48 |
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| schestowitz | The common use of "analyst" refers to people who SELL analysis | Dec 18 22:48 |
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| schestowitz | As in, they get PAID to prove something by twisting and turning. | Dec 18 22:49 |
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| seller_liar | But my idea about analyst is to find ethcial problems in bad companies | Dec 18 22:50 |
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| schestowitz | Think of a de facto definition -- or rather -- about those that survive. Those who don't like, i.e. becoming lousy marketing people in suits, can't stay in business. | Dec 18 22:50 |
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| seller_liar | And not paid for give positives for companies | Dec 18 22:50 |
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| schestowitz | Companies have billions for spending on PR and sellout 'analysts' to outtake the real analysis and generate noise. | Dec 18 22:50 |
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| schestowitz | I'd rather expose the sellout analysts as part of my 'analysis' | Dec 18 22:51 |
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| seller_liar | But not every analyst is payed | Dec 18 22:51 |
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| schestowitz | Think of it as using the same methods as those liars to expose them. | Dec 18 22:51 |
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| seller_liar | *paid | Dec 18 22:51 |
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| seller_liar | But you ,for example, is not a sell out analyst | Dec 18 22:51 |
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| schestowitz | So so they do so for a living? | Dec 18 22:51 |
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| seller_liar | We need more analyst like you | Dec 18 22:52 |
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| schestowitz | I think of myself as an activist when I do stuff like BN (I do other things) | Dec 18 22:52 |
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| schestowitz | Not as "Analyst" | Dec 18 22:52 |
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| seller_liar | Yes, I need activists | Dec 18 22:52 |
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| schestowitz | Like stupid fools in suits, whose formality is not really required for analysis. | Dec 18 22:52 |
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| seller_liar | Activist= analyst as hobby and not paid | Dec 18 22:52 |
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| schestowitz | I guess, but not necessarily | Dec 18 22:52 |
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| schestowitz | Some activists mostly protest and spread messages. | Dec 18 22:53 |
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| seller_liar | We need more activists which does analysis for other companies | Dec 18 22:53 |
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| schestowitz | I see some people who systematically link to BN | Dec 18 22:53 |
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| seller_liar | Like boycottnovell does | Dec 18 22:53 |
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| schestowitz | When asked why they do this (I saw it happen once) they say it's because they link to truth, not spin | Dec 18 22:53 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.roughlydrafted.com/ hardly writes anymore | Dec 18 22:54 |
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| schestowitz | He's very good at that too, mostly about Mac stuff though (pro-proprietary company). | Dec 18 22:54 |
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| schestowitz | Groklaw is frozen too. | Dec 18 22:55 |
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| schestowitz | Maybe it's related to their economy | Dec 18 22:55 |
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| schestowitz | No abundance= no donations | Dec 18 22:55 |
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| seller_liar | We need projectists too | Dec 18 22:55 |
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| schestowitz | When people fear about means to provide for self, they last thing they consider is giving others. Can't be good for the homeless, either. | Dec 18 22:55 |
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| schestowitz | Projectionists? Like Gartner without the lies. | Dec 18 22:56 |
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| schestowitz | Or IDC without the brib^H^Hcentives? | Dec 18 22:57 |
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| seller_liar | No | Dec 18 22:57 |
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| seller_liar | Projectists receives all information acquires from actvisits and start to create plabns | Dec 18 22:57 |
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| seller_liar | *plans | Dec 18 22:57 |
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| seller_liar | *acquired | Dec 18 22:57 |
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| schestowitz | Can you help me by writing analysis too? | Dec 18 22:58 |
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| schestowitz | I can attribute and proofread. | Dec 18 22:58 |
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| seller_liar | But ,It's only a idea at momement | Dec 18 22:58 |
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| schestowitz | seller_liar: FSF is a projectionist. | Dec 18 22:58 |
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| schestowitz | I spoke to RMS about it... they might help against Novell. | Dec 18 22:58 |
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| seller_liar | Is this a good idea? | Dec 18 22:58 |
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| schestowitz | What is? | Dec 18 22:59 |
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| seller_liar | Heheh , a projectis which never start plans... | Dec 18 22:59 |
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| schestowitz | We wanted to do a Silver Lie awareness project one year+ ago | Dec 18 22:59 |
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| schestowitz | This never happened. We thought about telling EFF to help | Dec 18 22:59 |
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| seller_liar | Big projects is very hard to do alone | Dec 18 23:00 |
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| seller_liar | My plan is create a sourceforge of ethics | Dec 18 23:01 |
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| schestowitz | Who would come? | Dec 18 23:01 |
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| seller_liar | Maybe june or july 2009 ,I start to create | Dec 18 23:02 |
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| seller_liar | But | Dec 18 23:03 |
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| seller_liar | Did you understand? | Dec 18 23:03 |
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| seller_liar | We need projectists ,not only analysts | Dec 18 23:03 |
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| schestowitz | You need to recruit supporters | Dec 18 23:03 |
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| seller_liar | Yes, | Dec 18 23:04 |
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| schestowitz | GNU/FSF has been saying this for ages... power comes for growing/rallying for support, thus increasing capacity | Dec 18 23:04 |
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| seller_liar | analysts can be bloggers | Dec 18 23:04 |
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| schestowitz | If you can build a sort of 'network' of ethics bloggers, I'd join | Dec 18 23:04 |
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| schestowitz | I know people in India who would, too | Dec 18 23:05 |
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| seller_liar | But how to find projectists? | Dec 18 23:06 |
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| seller_liar | projectists can spread info gained from analysts for all people | Dec 18 23:07 |
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| schestowitz | I think people who write can come up with ideas. | Dec 18 23:08 |
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| schestowitz | As in campaigns and all.. | Dec 18 23:08 |
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| schestowitz | That said.. | Dec 18 23:08 |
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| schestowitz | What we need lots of are people who write and collaborate | Dec 18 23:08 |
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| schestowitz | I've been mailing PJ (Groklaw) for almost 3 years... | Dec 18 23:09 |
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| schestowitz | Sharing input is useful and each person can cover another area. | Dec 18 23:09 |
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| schestowitz | E.g. Groklaw does everything SCO and I always look for everything Novell. If time permits, I do MS too. | Dec 18 23:09 |
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| seller_liar | Yes ,but is very rigid for 2 people | Dec 18 23:10 |
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| schestowitz | That's why we have people like you. | Dec 18 23:11 |
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| seller_liar | We need about 3 or 4 analysts for 1 company | Dec 18 23:11 |
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| schestowitz | Groklaw is a community. | Dec 18 23:11 |
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| seller_liar | and 3 or 4 projectists for each company | Dec 18 23:11 |
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| schestowitz | There are editors with people giving input | Dec 18 23:11 |
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| schestowitz | Shane doesn't have much time to write anymore. | Dec 18 23:11 |
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| MinceR | gn | Dec 18 23:11 |
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| schestowitz | If I drop, then he rises again, so there's 'backup' when one goes on vacation | Dec 18 23:11 |
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| schestowitz | gn, MinceR | Dec 18 23:11 |
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| schestowitz | Troll? >> http://gnuman.com/the-news/39-linux/130-is-... The best distribution I've ever used? Dead? Haha. Of course not. :-)) | Dec 18 23:14 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_story.php... "That is right. Steve Ballmer clearly said that if you run any other Linux you may have to face his legal team. So, if you want Linux it is SUSE or else ..." | Dec 18 23:16 |
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| seller_liar | Why steve says these things? | Dec 18 23:19 |
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| seller_liar | to fear users? | Dec 18 23:19 |
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| schestowitz | Not him.. | Dec 18 23:22 |
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| schestowitz | He uses his buddies... like the IP director | Dec 18 23:22 |
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