| schestowitz | "Girl's 22,795 Messages Nothing to Celebrate [...] Nevertheless, Dad's math pegged the stream as "one text message every 113 seconds." http://www.pcworld.com/article/159645/tex... | Feb 18 00:03 |
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| schestowitz | Daemonisation of the term "hackers" again (they try to deplete vocabularies): Hackers Attack Antivirus Firm's Tech Support Site < http://www.pcworld.com/article/159651/ha... > | Feb 18 00:03 |
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| twitter | ha ha, M$FT got clobbered today. Down about 5%, about 1% more than general markets. http://www.google.com/finance?q=NASDAQ:MSFT | Feb 18 00:05 |
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| twitter | they actually dipped below $18. at that rate, it won't be long till they are breaking new 52 week lows (now $16.75) | Feb 18 00:07 |
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| schestowitz | Maybe the loot^H^H^Himulus wasn't enough to save them from bankruptcy after all. | Feb 18 00:08 |
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| schestowitz | :-) http://www.suseblog.com/microsof... citing BN... "See, now people always tell me that I am a conspiracy theorist against Microsoft. Alrighty, well, here’s yet another chance for you to see that I am more of a realist than you think." | Feb 18 00:09 |
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| schestowitz | nn | Feb 18 00:27 |
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| schestowitz | I'm doing a post later | Feb 18 00:28 |
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| schestowitz | more novell layoffs are definitely coming, probably at the end of next week | Feb 18 00:28 |
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| schestowitz | juicy details.. :-( I hope employees take none of this persoanlly. | Feb 18 00:28 |
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| schestowitz | Windows7 is being ripped apart in /. ATM. Over 1000 comments. Wonderful. Party's over for the PR gig.. | Feb 18 00:58 |
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| PetoKraus | where? | Feb 18 02:22 |
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| schestowitz | Hold on... | Feb 18 02:23 |
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| schestowitz | http://slashdot.org/firehose.pl?op=vie... Another one in FP (search through it) | Feb 18 02:24 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g2kTy7glZ... | Feb 18 02:31 |
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| -christel-[Global Notice] Hi all, we just lost everything on the other side of the atlantic -- it would appear we've got between our US and EU hubs, we're looking into the issue and hopefully we'll have things back to normal shortly. Apologies for the inconvenience and thank you for using freenode. | Feb 18 09:41 |
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| schestowitz | Morning... | Feb 18 10:07 |
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| schestowitz | :The companies behind a 356,800 seat deployment in Brazil claim world records for the largest desktop virtualisation rollout, the largest desktop Linux rollout, and the lowest cost per seat." http://www.itwire.com/content/view/23... | Feb 18 10:09 |
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| -christel-[Global Notice] Hi all, it would appear we've discovered yet another bug in hyperion, the ircd we run -- how we've managed to use it successfully for so long is now but a great mystery. The network is back up, for now, but in light of this we will be looking at bringing our ircd-change forward, details shall be forthcoming. Please accept my sincere apologies for the instability as of late and thank you for your patience. | Feb 18 10:13 |
| MinceR | r4wr | Feb 18 10:20 |
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| -christel-[Global Notice] Hi all, It appears I may have been too harsh on hyperion -- this crash wasn't a segfault after all, but some of hardened gentoo's 'security' measures deciding that our ircd is a threat. More information will be provided on the blog when we have a better picture and know what actions will be taken to prevent this from occuring again. Thank you for using freenode and have a good day! | Feb 18 10:50 |
| oiaohm_ | Yep | Feb 18 11:06 |
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| oiaohm_ | Price per seat is a interesting number. | Feb 18 11:06 |
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| oiaohm_ | Under windows its copy of software + CAL's for that user. | Feb 18 11:06 |
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| oiaohm_ | CAL's alone are more than 50 dollars a seat in most cases. | Feb 18 11:07 |
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| schestowitz | NComputing is potentially subverted by Microsoft but there is no evidence so far other than appointment of anti-Linux folk. | Feb 18 11:08 |
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| oiaohm_ | Why would a Linux company want anti-linux folk. | Feb 18 11:09 |
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| oiaohm_ | So there arguements can be disected. | Feb 18 11:09 |
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| schestowitz | .It's not a Linux company | Feb 18 11:12 |
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| oiaohm_ | You need to dig a little deeper schestowitz | Feb 18 11:16 |
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| oiaohm_ | All there devices support Linux. | Feb 18 11:16 |
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| oiaohm_ | They are not for Microsoft. To be correct some of there developers hate Microsoft for making virtualising XP so hard. | Feb 18 11:18 |
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| schestowitz | Only 40% of their deployments are Linux. | Feb 18 11:31 |
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| oiaohm_ | schestowitz 40% is way higher than numbers MS trys to make people believe. | Feb 18 12:34 |
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| oiaohm_ | Issue is here they are completely about undermining MS profit streams. | Feb 18 12:34 |
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| schestowitz | So Will Poole intervenes? | Feb 18 12:37 |
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| schestowitz | Accused Rogue Admin Terry Childs Makes His Case < http://www.pcworld.com/article/159717/childs_d... >. Why don't they chase down all the white-collar criminals rather than harrass sysadmins? | Feb 18 12:42 |
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| schestowitz | I think we've just been stumbleuponed. | Feb 18 12:53 |
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| schestowitz | I don't have diagnostics to see where the massive traffic comes from. | Feb 18 12:53 |
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| mib_f25rzq | hello? | Feb 18 12:57 |
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| schestowitz | Hey | Feb 18 12:58 |
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| mib_f25rzq | good morning | Feb 18 12:58 |
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| schestowitz | What's new? | Feb 18 12:58 |
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| mib_f25rzq | ive been up all night installing this on my laptop... it seems to be going well.. | Feb 18 12:58 |
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| mib_f25rzq | noob | Feb 18 12:58 |
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| mib_f25rzq | here | Feb 18 12:58 |
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| schestowitz | Which distro? | Feb 18 12:59 |
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| mib_f25rzq | ubuntu | Feb 18 12:59 |
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| mib_f25rzq | ultimate linux | Feb 18 12:59 |
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| schestowitz | It's a good one. | Feb 18 12:59 |
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| mib_f25rzq | it seems to be.. | Feb 18 12:59 |
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| mib_f25rzq | i tried suse before | Feb 18 12:59 |
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| mib_f25rzq | but it wouldnt install | Feb 18 12:59 |
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| schestowitz | Yes | Feb 18 12:59 |
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| mib_f25rzq | kept halting | Feb 18 12:59 |
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| mib_f25rzq | so i gave up | Feb 18 12:59 |
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| schestowitz | Common.. | Feb 18 12:59 |
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| mib_f25rzq | this is on a wireless laptop | Feb 18 13:00 |
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| schestowitz | Debian has its merits | Feb 18 13:00 |
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| mib_f25rzq | yes | Feb 18 13:00 |
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| schestowitz | Preinstalls are important | Feb 18 13:00 |
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| schestowitz | They are common on sub-notebooks these days | Feb 18 13:00 |
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| mib_f25rzq | preinstalls? | Feb 18 13:00 |
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| schestowitz | Yes | Feb 18 13:00 |
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| mib_f25rzq | what do you mean? | Feb 18 13:00 |
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| schestowitz | predictable h/w combinations | Feb 18 13:00 |
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| mib_f25rzq | ah | Feb 18 13:00 |
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| mib_f25rzq | no | Feb 18 13:00 |
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| schestowitz | Distros for Netbooks always just work | Feb 18 13:00 |
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| mib_f25rzq | ah | Feb 18 13:00 |
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| schestowitz | You can work out precisely which h/w is used | Feb 18 13:00 |
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| mib_f25rzq | this is a refular laptop | Feb 18 13:01 |
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| schestowitz | Like in the case of OS/S | Feb 18 13:01 |
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| mib_f25rzq | latitude | Feb 18 13:01 |
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| schestowitz | *OS/X | Feb 18 13:01 |
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| mib_f25rzq | its good though | Feb 18 13:01 |
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| mib_f25rzq | i like it | Feb 18 13:01 |
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| mib_f25rzq | now, i have to figure out what the hell a tarbell is | Feb 18 13:01 |
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| mib_f25rzq | and im set | Feb 18 13:01 |
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| schestowitz | What for? | Feb 18 13:02 |
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| schestowitz | Use the repositories. | Feb 18 13:02 |
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| schestowitz | Synamptic. | Feb 18 13:02 |
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| mib_f25rzq | ah? | Feb 18 13:02 |
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| schestowitz | *Synaptic | Feb 18 13:02 |
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| mib_f25rzq | a couple of places online to down load softare all had targz or something like that | Feb 18 13:02 |
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| schestowitz | Tarballs are typically for installing software that's not already prepared for you to just fetch and use. | Feb 18 13:02 |
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| mib_f25rzq | ah | Feb 18 13:03 |
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| mib_f25rzq | alright | Feb 18 13:03 |
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| schestowitz | Try to find the same software on the repository | Feb 18 13:03 |
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| mib_f25rzq | i do have alot to read | Feb 18 13:03 |
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| schestowitz | It might be just a tickbox away | Feb 18 13:03 |
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| schestowitz | It's not like Windows | Feb 18 13:03 |
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| schestowitz | You don't download software. | Feb 18 13:03 |
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| mib_f25rzq | i have been copying and pasting alot of text into the terminal | Feb 18 13:03 |
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| schestowitz | There are tens of gigabyes of software on a remote server and you choose what to pull onto your computer | Feb 18 13:03 |
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| MinceR | don't call it OS/X, that gives OS/2 a bad name. | Feb 18 13:04 |
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| MinceR | :> | Feb 18 13:04 |
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| mib_f25rzq | what? | Feb 18 13:04 |
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| mib_f25rzq | osx? | Feb 18 13:04 |
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| schestowitz | Some people call it "OS/X" | Feb 18 13:04 |
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| mib_f25rzq | whats wrong with osx? | Feb 18 13:04 |
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| schestowitz | OS 10 (out of 100) | Feb 18 13:04 |
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| schestowitz | mib_f25rzq: he was joking in a way. MinceR is no fan of Apple | Feb 18 13:05 |
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| mib_f25rzq | ah | Feb 18 13:05 |
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| MinceR | lots are wrong with osx. | Feb 18 13:05 |
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| mib_f25rzq | no fan of apple? | Feb 18 13:05 |
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| schestowitz | OS X is in some ways more restrictive than Windows. The iPhone is for sure. | Feb 18 13:05 |
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| MinceR | even more is wrong with how apple presents it | Feb 18 13:05 |
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| mib_f25rzq | whats wrong with apple? | Feb 18 13:05 |
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| mib_f25rzq | besides the price | Feb 18 13:05 |
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| mib_f25rzq | it seems like a good platform | Feb 18 13:06 |
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| MinceR | they screw their customers over, present the ideas of others as their own | Feb 18 13:06 |
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| schestowitz | DRM, h/w bundling, etc. | Feb 18 13:06 |
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| mib_f25rzq | yeah | Feb 18 13:06 |
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| MinceR | rip off FLOSS projects with minimal or nothing given back to the developers and the community | Feb 18 13:06 |
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| schestowitz | If all computers were Apple, there would be other issues. | Feb 18 13:06 |
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| schestowitz | That we don't realise yet because Apple is small. | Feb 18 13:06 |
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| MinceR | they promote DRM and hoard control | Feb 18 13:06 |
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| MinceR | also, they promote sw patents | Feb 18 13:06 |
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| MinceR | they try to inhibit innovation everywhere | Feb 18 13:07 |
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| schestowitz | ANd use them against Linux devices/sw | Feb 18 13:07 |
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| mib_f25rzq | hmmmokay | Feb 18 13:07 |
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| MinceR | the things in osx that happen to work aren't apple's work but work they've ripped off and yet they parade around with it | Feb 18 13:07 |
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| mib_f25rzq | ah | Feb 18 13:07 |
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| MinceR | and their approach to IT is completely wrong. | Feb 18 13:07 |
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| mib_f25rzq | like ms | Feb 18 13:07 |
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| MinceR | a lot like m$, yes | Feb 18 13:07 |
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| schestowitz | Not really. | Feb 18 13:07 |
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| schestowitz | They have other characteristics, but with overlap | Feb 18 13:08 |
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| schestowitz | Apple is a lot more vain /outwardly/ | Feb 18 13:08 |
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| schestowitz | It seems to be part of the marketing too (see Mac/PC ads) | Feb 18 13:08 |
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| MinceR | they're not as good at making dirty little deals that force their products over unsuspecting people | Feb 18 13:08 |
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| MinceR | but they're better at building a cult of followers. | Feb 18 13:08 |
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| MinceR | (Reality Distortion Field, etc.) | Feb 18 13:08 |
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| schestowitz | Guy Kawasaki calls it "evangelism" | Feb 18 13:08 |
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| schestowitz | Which Microsoft has something to say about too | Feb 18 13:09 |
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| schestowitz | Apple is like Hollywood and Washington DC | Feb 18 13:09 |
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| schestowitz | They are mostly about imposed illusions and dream | Feb 18 13:09 |
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| mib_f25rzq | ah. | Feb 18 13:09 |
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| mib_f25rzq | well this laptop is dualboot with vista.... | Feb 18 13:09 |
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| mib_f25rzq | its not that bad.. not as good as xp.. but eh.. its works | Feb 18 13:10 |
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| schestowitz | Imagine spending $1 billion/year on advertising Linux with Compiz vids and stuff | Feb 18 13:10 |
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| schestowitz | Also photos that only affect perception.. superficial things. | Feb 18 13:10 |
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| schestowitz | Billboards, TV ads, celebrities going down the street with Tux t-shirts. | Feb 18 13:10 |
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| schestowitz | That's how it's done | Feb 18 13:10 |
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| mib_f25rzq | ah | Feb 18 13:10 |
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| schestowitz | Things are as good as we're led to believe | Feb 18 13:10 |
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| mib_f25rzq | if only it was a bit more userfriendly | Feb 18 13:10 |
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| schestowitz | Naked emperors and all. | Feb 18 13:10 |
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| MinceR | vista fails in somewhat different ways from xp | Feb 18 13:10 |
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| mib_f25rzq | too many morons.. not willing ot relearn | Feb 18 13:10 |
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| schestowitz | mib_f25rzq: different, not user friendly. | Feb 18 13:11 |
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| MinceR | but overall it's the same shit with a coating of sprinkles of different color. | Feb 18 13:11 |
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| schestowitz | I find it arduous to work with non-Linux OSes because I'm familiar with these. | Feb 18 13:11 |
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| mib_f25rzq | right.. but most of the world | Feb 18 13:11 |
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| schestowitz | MinceR: : +1 | Feb 18 13:11 |
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| mib_f25rzq | is windows | Feb 18 13:11 |
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| schestowitz | Yes | Feb 18 13:11 |
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| mib_f25rzq | you know? | Feb 18 13:11 |
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| schestowitz | But it's the issue of habits | Feb 18 13:11 |
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| mib_f25rzq | its a steep learning curve | Feb 18 13:11 |
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| schestowitz | So people are lef to believe they need to download tarballs for s/w (like .MSI and .EXE) | Feb 18 13:12 |
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| schestowitz | *led | Feb 18 13:12 |
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| mib_f25rzq | ive been up all night messing with this thing and i feel like i just scratched the surface | Feb 18 13:12 |
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| mib_f25rzq | and i work in IT | Feb 18 13:12 |
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| schestowitz | But it's a lot more cumbersome, difficult (how do you find the sites) and it's a huge security risk | Feb 18 13:12 |
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| mib_f25rzq | yeah | Feb 18 13:12 |
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| mib_f25rzq | i hear | Feb 18 13:12 |
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| schestowitz | It can take month to love and years to master, just like any OS or a computer to a totaql Luddite | Feb 18 13:13 |
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| mib_f25rzq | hmmm | Feb 18 13:13 |
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| mib_f25rzq | i guess its a trade off. | Feb 18 13:13 |
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| schestowitz | Yes | Feb 18 13:13 |
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| mib_f25rzq | most of my comps here at home are windows becuase of games and apps | Feb 18 13:14 |
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| schestowitz | Try Wine at some stage | Feb 18 13:14 |
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| schestowitz | It might help the transition | Feb 18 13:14 |
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| schestowitz | Also see if Synaptic has Virtualbox | Feb 18 13:14 |
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| mib_f25rzq | i tried it.. it let me use word | Feb 18 13:14 |
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| mib_f25rzq | but not much else in office | Feb 18 13:15 |
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| schestowitz | You might be able to quickly install software that will run Windows under Ubuntu | Feb 18 13:15 |
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| mib_f25rzq | run windows under ubuntu? | Feb 18 13:15 |
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| mib_f25rzq | whats the point? | Feb 18 13:15 |
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| schestowitz | CrossOver does Office 2007 | Feb 18 13:15 |
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| mib_f25rzq | oh it does? | Feb 18 13:15 |
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| schestowitz | mib_f25rzq: not multi-booting | Feb 18 13:15 |
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| mib_f25rzq | where can i get it? | Feb 18 13:15 |
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| mib_f25rzq | is it free? | Feb 18 13:15 |
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| schestowitz | It was for a day | Feb 18 13:15 |
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| mib_f25rzq | eh?? | Feb 18 13:15 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.codeweavers.com/ | Feb 18 13:16 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.winehq.org/ | Feb 18 13:16 |
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| mib_f25rzq | wine is installed on here | Feb 18 13:17 |
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| schestowitz | There's also Bordeaux | Feb 18 13:17 |
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| mib_f25rzq | eh? | Feb 18 13:17 |
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| schestowitz | But better to phase out the Windows applications | Feb 18 13:17 |
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| schestowitz | That's not what Linux is about | Feb 18 13:17 |
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| mib_f25rzq | crossover is not free | Feb 18 13:17 |
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| schestowitz | Migrate to ODF and be done with it | Feb 18 13:17 |
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| mib_f25rzq | odf? | Feb 18 13:18 |
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| schestowitz | In a transition phase, using some old applications may help | Feb 18 13:18 |
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| schestowitz | OpenDocument format (ODF) | Feb 18 13:18 |
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| mib_f25rzq | ah | Feb 18 13:18 |
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| mib_f25rzq | not an option. i work in a windows only shop with vista and 2007 | Feb 18 13:18 |
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| schestowitz | It's cross-platform and cross-app | Feb 18 13:18 |
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| mib_f25rzq | unless odf can now open docx | Feb 18 13:18 |
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| schestowitz | Office is Office is Office (Microsoft Office) | Feb 18 13:18 |
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| mib_f25rzq | then im out of luck | Feb 18 13:18 |
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| schestowitz | Redeem your data from Microsoft | Feb 18 13:18 |
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| schestowitz | DOCX is poison | Feb 18 13:19 |
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| schestowitz | It's intended to imprison people inside Office. | Feb 18 13:19 |
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| mib_f25rzq | ah huh | Feb 18 13:19 |
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| mib_f25rzq | but not my call | Feb 18 13:19 |
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| mib_f25rzq | it is what it is and it is whats used | Feb 18 13:19 |
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| schestowitz | But if you have Office, then export/covert all docx to .doc, then open in OpenOffice and save as ODF | Feb 18 13:19 |
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| schestowitz | docx is also a peer upgrade strategy | Feb 18 13:20 |
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| schestowitz | Microsoft can pressure people to 'upgrade' Office if they receive those badly formed formats | Feb 18 13:20 |
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| mib_f25rzq | i know.... but that doesnt change the fact that 99 percentof the university i work at uses it | Feb 18 13:20 |
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| schestowitz | docx? | Feb 18 13:20 |
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| schestowitz | They must use open formats | Feb 18 13:21 |
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| schestowitz | DOCX is corruption.. literally. | Feb 18 13:21 |
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| schestowitz | Microsoft committed crimes for it. | Feb 18 13:21 |
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| mib_f25rzq | you arent listening.. | Feb 18 13:21 |
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| schestowitz | The EU is still investigating with fines likely | Feb 18 13:21 |
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| mib_f25rzq | i hear your issue, but it doesnt change facts | Feb 18 13:21 |
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| mib_f25rzq | they all work with it. and so i must work with it | Feb 18 13:21 |
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| schestowitz | The university makes no PDFs available? | Feb 18 13:22 |
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| schestowitz | Which university is this? | Feb 18 13:22 |
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| mib_f25rzq | oh they do, but they dont use adobe for word documents | Feb 18 13:22 |
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| mib_f25rzq | YU | Feb 18 13:22 |
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| schestowitz | You can kindly ask them to make ODF versions | Feb 18 13:23 |
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| schestowitz | ODF is the international open standard | Feb 18 13:23 |
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| schestowitz | It's only reasonable to inform them | Feb 18 13:23 |
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| mib_f25rzq | odf is the international open standard? | Feb 18 13:24 |
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| schestowitz | Else they basically force students to purchase non-Free software from a convicted monopolist | Feb 18 13:24 |
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| mib_f25rzq | but most of the world uses ms | Feb 18 13:24 |
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| schestowitz | I.e. serving as "agents of monopolisation" | Feb 18 13:24 |
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| schestowitz | mib_f25rzq: they can use standards | Feb 18 13:24 |
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| schestowitz | Microsoft should support standards too | Feb 18 13:24 |
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| mib_f25rzq | they actually give students office student edition to all new studetns | Feb 18 13:24 |
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| schestowitz | You can access Web sites from many platforms because of standards. | Feb 18 13:24 |
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| mib_f25rzq | i configure for most of them | Feb 18 13:24 |
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| schestowitz | mib_f25rzq: that's addictionware | Feb 18 13:25 |
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| mib_f25rzq | okay, i hear what you are saying but again | Feb 18 13:25 |
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| schestowitz | It's a 'free sample' (as in free drugs) to make people's data and skills dependent on this one company | Feb 18 13:25 |
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| mib_f25rzq | it is what it is | Feb 18 13:25 |
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| schestowitz | They later become paying customer | Feb 18 13:25 |
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| schestowitz | *mers | Feb 18 13:25 |
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| oiaohm_ | People don't read the fine print of the student version either. | Feb 18 13:25 |
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| mib_f25rzq | right but most are already paying customers | Feb 18 13:25 |
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| mib_f25rzq | most are already ms customers | Feb 18 13:25 |
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| oiaohm_ | Basically says what every you produce with it MS can release commerically. | Feb 18 13:25 |
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| schestowitz | mib_f25rzq: okay, they should be given choise | Feb 18 13:25 |
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| oiaohm_ | But you cannot. | Feb 18 13:25 |
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| schestowitz | *choice | Feb 18 13:25 |
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| mib_f25rzq | most users in this country are ms customers | Feb 18 13:25 |
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| schestowitz | DOCX is about giving no choice | Feb 18 13:26 |
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| mib_f25rzq | well they can save it as soc | Feb 18 13:26 |
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| mib_f25rzq | but most dont bother | Feb 18 13:26 |
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| schestowitz | It's about instructing people to pay those who commit crimes | Feb 18 13:26 |
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| mib_f25rzq | *doc | Feb 18 13:26 |
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| mib_f25rzq | whats crimes? | Feb 18 13:26 |
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| schestowitz | Many | Feb 18 13:26 |
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| schestowitz | You don't know yet? | Feb 18 13:26 |
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| mib_f25rzq | i dont know of any crimes, i know they were convicted of monopoly | Feb 18 13:27 |
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| schestowitz | Blackmail, bribery, bullying, extortion, obstruction of justice, etc. | Feb 18 13:27 |
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| mib_f25rzq | but alot of companies are | Feb 18 13:27 |
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| schestowitz | Not a lot of companies | Feb 18 13:27 |
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| mib_f25rzq | yes | Feb 18 13:27 |
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| schestowitz | And that's not the crime | Feb 18 13:27 |
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| mib_f25rzq | alot of companies | Feb 18 13:27 |
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| mib_f25rzq | if they were a criminal org, they wouldnt stll be in business | Feb 18 13:27 |
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| schestowitz | Monopoly abuse is separate for criminal activities. | Feb 18 13:27 |
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| schestowitz | People are not being told about this sufficiently. | Feb 18 13:28 |
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| mib_f25rzq | i have to tell you, i installed this this morning to test it out | Feb 18 13:28 |
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| schestowitz | Many companies own -- literally -- the press outlets. | Feb 18 13:28 |
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| mib_f25rzq | and i want to learn linus | Feb 18 13:28 |
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| mib_f25rzq | linux | Feb 18 13:28 |
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| mib_f25rzq | but this | Feb 18 13:28 |
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| mib_f25rzq | what youa re dong | Feb 18 13:28 |
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| mib_f25rzq | doing | Feb 18 13:28 |
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| mib_f25rzq | would turn anyone off | Feb 18 13:28 |
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| mib_f25rzq | i dont give a shit what ms did or does | Feb 18 13:28 |
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| schestowitz | mib_f25rzq: OK, you can ignore this | Feb 18 13:28 |
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| mib_f25rzq | they are my cread and butter | Feb 18 13:28 |
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| mib_f25rzq | bread and butter | Feb 18 13:28 |
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| mib_f25rzq | truth be told | Feb 18 13:28 |
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| schestowitz | OK | Feb 18 13:29 |
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| mib_f25rzq | i havent paid for anything ms in almost a decade | Feb 18 13:29 |
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| mib_f25rzq | but i use it everyday | Feb 18 13:29 |
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| mib_f25rzq | and i want to learn more | Feb 18 13:29 |
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| schestowitz | I offer you the learning of other things. | Feb 18 13:29 |
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| mib_f25rzq | but you spent the last ten minutes. not teaching me linux. but spouting your haite for ms | Feb 18 13:29 |
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| mib_f25rzq | which i really dont need | Feb 18 13:29 |
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| schestowitz | You don't want to listen to it. | Feb 18 13:29 |
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| schestowitz | But that's fair. | Feb 18 13:29 |
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| mib_f25rzq | you are right i dont | Feb 18 13:29 |
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| schestowitz | I don't blame you. | Feb 18 13:29 |
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| mib_f25rzq | i want to learn linux | Feb 18 13:29 |
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| mib_f25rzq | i dong give a shit about ms | Feb 18 13:30 |
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| mib_f25rzq | or how you feel about them | Feb 18 13:30 |
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| schestowitz | There is no "hate" here. | Feb 18 13:30 |
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| mib_f25rzq | i want to learn how to use this os | Feb 18 13:30 |
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| mib_f25rzq | thats it | Feb 18 13:30 |
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| mib_f25rzq | youre hate is transparent | Feb 18 13:30 |
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| schestowitz | No more than say... a thief hates the policeman who caught him | Feb 18 13:30 |
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| mib_f25rzq | nonsense.. | Feb 18 13:30 |
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| mib_f25rzq | what has ms done to you? | Feb 18 13:30 |
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| zer0c00l | mib_f25rzq: install linux | Feb 18 13:30 |
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| mib_f25rzq | what has ms dont to you personally? | Feb 18 13:30 |
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| mib_f25rzq | are you using ms products? | Feb 18 13:30 |
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| schestowitz | Smears. | Feb 18 13:30 |
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| mib_f25rzq | are you using anything ms right now? | Feb 18 13:31 |
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| schestowitz | You think they are innocent, eh? | Feb 18 13:31 |
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| schestowitz | No, I don;t. | Feb 18 13:31 |
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| mib_f25rzq | are you using anything ms? | Feb 18 13:31 |
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| schestowitz | I don't use Microsoft anything. | Feb 18 13:31 |
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| mib_f25rzq | then how are they affection you? | Feb 18 13:31 |
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| mib_f25rzq | how? | Feb 18 13:31 |
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| schestowitz | Smear campaigns | Feb 18 13:31 |
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| oiaohm_ | I don't use Microsoft anything either at home. | Feb 18 13:31 |
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| mib_f25rzq | smear? | Feb 18 13:31 |
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| schestowitz | Hurting friends | Feb 18 13:31 |
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| oiaohm_ | Work I have to. | Feb 18 13:31 |
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| mib_f25rzq | against you? | Feb 18 13:31 |
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| schestowitz | Attacking a countrt's budgets | Feb 18 13:31 |
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| mib_f25rzq | country:/ | Feb 18 13:31 |
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| schestowitz | Taking my Internet down with zombie PCs | Feb 18 13:31 |
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| mib_f25rzq | what country? | Feb 18 13:31 |
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| schestowitz | Taking tax money using illegal deals. | Feb 18 13:32 |
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| schestowitz | UK | Feb 18 13:32 |
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| schestowitz | MOU.... | Feb 18 13:32 |
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| mib_f25rzq | ms creating internet zombies? | Feb 18 13:32 |
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| schestowitz | Collusion | Feb 18 13:32 |
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| schestowitz | Yes | Feb 18 13:32 |
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| schestowitz | Shoddy software | Feb 18 13:32 |
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| schestowitz | It clogs up the Web | Feb 18 13:32 |
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| mib_f25rzq | shoddy software | Feb 18 13:32 |
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| schestowitz | Responsible for all the SPAM we all get | Feb 18 13:32 |
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| mib_f25rzq | right | Feb 18 13:32 |
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| zer0c00l | pollutes the network | Feb 18 13:32 |
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| mib_f25rzq | now you arent making any sense at all | Feb 18 13:32 |
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| oiaohm_ | Against me directly tried to discredit me to my boss when I had found a secuirty flaw. Said I was incompetent coder in a Letter to my boss mib_f25rzq that was nasty. | Feb 18 13:32 |
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| zer0c00l | yeah | Feb 18 13:32 |
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| schestowitz | 100,000,000,000 SPAM per day | Feb 18 13:32 |
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| schestowitz | Thanks to bad engineering of Windows | Feb 18 13:32 |
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| mib_f25rzq | ah huh | Feb 18 13:32 |
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| schestowitz | Right. | Feb 18 13:32 |
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| oiaohm_ | Microsoft and me not on Likely terms. | Feb 18 13:33 |
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| schestowitz | Actually, it's more than that. | Feb 18 13:33 |
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| schestowitz | 150 billion/day the last time I checked | Feb 18 13:33 |
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| mib_f25rzq | ah huh | Feb 18 13:33 |
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| oiaohm_ | NT design should be solid. | Feb 18 13:33 |
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| mib_f25rzq | agains. what does this have to do with anything? these are spammers who are doing it not ms | Feb 18 13:33 |
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| schestowitz | No | Feb 18 13:33 |
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| schestowitz | That;s the spin | Feb 18 13:33 |
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| mib_f25rzq | how can you blame ms for spammers? | Feb 18 13:33 |
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| schestowitz | See this morning's post | Feb 18 13:33 |
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| mib_f25rzq | thats the spin? | Feb 18 13:33 |
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| oiaohm_ | But along the way MS has traded away secreity for performance. | Feb 18 13:33 |
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| schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/2009/02/1... | Feb 18 13:34 |
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| mib_f25rzq | ms had done what consuemers want | Feb 18 13:34 |
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| mib_f25rzq | ntohing more | Feb 18 13:34 |
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| schestowitz | Microsoft is trying to shift blame to side effects | Feb 18 13:34 |
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| oiaohm_ | Ever notices that windows 2000 running games crashed less than XP running the same game mib_f25rzq | Feb 18 13:34 |
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| mib_f25rzq | most consumers dont want to bother with too much security | Feb 18 13:34 |
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| schestowitz | mib_f25rzq: consumers? | Feb 18 13:34 |
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| mib_f25rzq | no i never noticed | Feb 18 13:34 |
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| mib_f25rzq | consuemrs | Feb 18 13:34 |
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| mib_f25rzq | yes | Feb 18 13:34 |
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| schestowitz | You mean Hollywood and OEMs? | Feb 18 13:34 |
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| schestowitz | Consumers want DRM??? | Feb 18 13:34 |
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| oiaohm_ | MS removed buffer checking not of XP so now the Direct X is now crashable. | Feb 18 13:34 |
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| zer0c00l | lol , today i used local ms exchange server to send an email in different name (ex: billgates@gmail.com) | Feb 18 13:34 |
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| mib_f25rzq | consumers | Feb 18 13:34 |
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| mib_f25rzq | almost 300 millions americans | Feb 18 13:35 |
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| zer0c00l | (billgates@microsoft.com) | Feb 18 13:35 |
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| schestowitz | Consumers want forensics and kill switches??? | Feb 18 13:35 |
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| zer0c00l | this is how it helps spammers | Feb 18 13:35 |
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| oiaohm_ | 2000 every buffer passed to was checked. | Feb 18 13:35 |
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| mib_f25rzq | this is what the consumers want | Feb 18 13:35 |
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| mib_f25rzq | it is what it is | Feb 18 13:35 |
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| oiaohm_ | Running all services as system highest users on system. | Feb 18 13:35 |
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| mib_f25rzq | they want ease of use | Feb 18 13:35 |
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| zer0c00l | yeah every one wants | Feb 18 13:35 |
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| oiaohm_ | When NT design allows services to run lower than that. | Feb 18 13:35 |
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| mib_f25rzq | we all had accounts for uses at my shop | Feb 18 13:35 |
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| zer0c00l | ease of use | Feb 18 13:35 |
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| mib_f25rzq | all of them | Feb 18 13:35 |
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| oiaohm_ | The list of bad enginering problems in Windows is long. | Feb 18 13:36 |
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| mib_f25rzq | and they need permission from admins for anything | Feb 18 13:36 |
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| schestowitz | zer0c00l: his e-mail is billg, not billgates | Feb 18 13:36 |
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| mib_f25rzq | they revolted | Feb 18 13:36 |
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| mib_f25rzq | revolted | Feb 18 13:36 |
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| schestowitz | Maybe he has a forwarded alias set up | Feb 18 13:36 |
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| oiaohm_ | Who needs Admin permission. | Feb 18 13:36 |
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| mib_f25rzq | they forced the administration to force us to give everyone in the building from the president to the lowly sec admin rights | Feb 18 13:36 |
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| oiaohm_ | The bugs are that bad in windows there is way to go from Guest to Admin permissions. | Feb 18 13:36 |
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| zer0c00l | yeah but all them dont want their credit card is being stolen by morons | Feb 18 13:36 |
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| mib_f25rzq | right. | Feb 18 13:36 |
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| mib_f25rzq | there is | Feb 18 13:36 |
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| mib_f25rzq | but not for your average use | Feb 18 13:37 |
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| zer0c00l | schestowitz: i will change it to billg next time | Feb 18 13:37 |
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| mib_f25rzq | there isnt | Feb 18 13:37 |
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| zer0c00l | :) | Feb 18 13:37 |
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| oiaohm_ | Does it really matter if virus writers can do it mib_f25rzq | Feb 18 13:37 |
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| mib_f25rzq | your average use doesnt know anything except they arent allowed to do what they wich | Feb 18 13:37 |
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| mib_f25rzq | wish* | Feb 18 13:37 |
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| oiaohm_ | So general users cannot use a lower level user to protect there system. | Feb 18 13:37 |
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| oiaohm_ | Due to the bugs. | Feb 18 13:37 |
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| mib_f25rzq | you are preaching to the chior.. but you are missing the point | Feb 18 13:38 |
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| mib_f25rzq | and this is the problem with fanboys all over | Feb 18 13:38 |
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| oiaohm_ | I am a system admin. | Feb 18 13:38 |
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| mib_f25rzq | i gotta get to work.. take care and good luck fighting the evil emprie | Feb 18 13:38 |
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| zer0c00l | hahaha fanboys | Feb 18 13:38 |
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| oiaohm_ | I have to clean up systems after they go belly up. | Feb 18 13:38 |
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| mib_f25rzq | bubye | Feb 18 13:38 |
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| *zer0c00l wonders whos is a fanboy | Feb 18 13:38 |
| oiaohm_ | So yes it effects me directly. | Feb 18 13:38 |
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| zer0c00l | mib_f25rzq: you are missing the point | Feb 18 13:38 |
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| mib_f25rzq | what point? | Feb 18 13:39 |
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| oiaohm_ | Issue is people are effected by MS bugs. | Feb 18 13:39 |
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| mib_f25rzq | what point are you trying to make? | Feb 18 13:39 |
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| oiaohm_ | Mostly people like me system admins who have to clean the mess up. | Feb 18 13:39 |
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| mib_f25rzq | what is the poiint? | Feb 18 13:39 |
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| mib_f25rzq | right | Feb 18 13:39 |
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| mib_f25rzq | so? | Feb 18 13:39 |
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| oiaohm_ | Then having MS undermine you. | Feb 18 13:39 |
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| oiaohm_ | Hate of them grows with cause. | Feb 18 13:39 |
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| zer0c00l | 1 year back there was a worm outbreak it affected all the comps in ma school | Feb 18 13:40 |
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| mib_f25rzq | seems only a few people hate them.. and many more love them | Feb 18 13:40 |
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| zer0c00l | the productivity loss it about 24* 7 hours | Feb 18 13:40 |
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| oiaohm_ | Good marketing mib_f25rzq | Feb 18 13:40 |
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| mib_f25rzq | im not marketing | Feb 18 13:40 |
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| mib_f25rzq | im just being honest | Feb 18 13:40 |
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| mib_f25rzq | realistic | Feb 18 13:40 |
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| zer0c00l | love..? | Feb 18 13:40 |
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| oiaohm_ | I like one here that they sold a stick in a bag for 5 dollars. | Feb 18 13:40 |
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| oiaohm_ | Yes just a crappy stick. | Feb 18 13:41 |
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| mib_f25rzq | ? | Feb 18 13:41 |
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| oiaohm_ | Its supprising what good advertising can do. | Feb 18 13:41 |
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| mib_f25rzq | ..... | Feb 18 13:41 |
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| mib_f25rzq | see what i mean | Feb 18 13:41 |
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| mib_f25rzq | i just came on here looking for some help with linux | Feb 18 13:41 |
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| mib_f25rzq | now | Feb 18 13:41 |
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| mib_f25rzq | im disgusted | Feb 18 13:41 |
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| mib_f25rzq | wow | Feb 18 13:42 |
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| mib_f25rzq | nice | Feb 18 13:42 |
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| oiaohm_ | Yes and many people loved that stick too. | Feb 18 13:42 |
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| zer0c00l | better go #fedora | Feb 18 13:42 |
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| mib_f25rzq | fedora? | Feb 18 13:42 |
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| mib_f25rzq | i tried that | Feb 18 13:42 |
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| oiaohm_ | So you don't need to sell a good product. | Feb 18 13:42 |
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| mib_f25rzq | i didnt like it too much | Feb 18 13:42 |
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| zer0c00l | oh | Feb 18 13:42 |
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| zer0c00l | then | Feb 18 13:42 |
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| oiaohm_ | You only need to make the mass blieve its a good product. | Feb 18 13:42 |
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| oiaohm_ | Then the mass will force it on those who know better. | Feb 18 13:42 |
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| oiaohm_ | Only one problem one day you screw up big enough people start spoting the trick. | Feb 18 13:43 |
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| zer0c00l | see do you know why people are using M$ products because M$ is failing each time it releases a product | Feb 18 13:43 |
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| zer0c00l | They promise that the next product will be better | Feb 18 13:43 |
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| zer0c00l | so people go and buy their next product | Feb 18 13:44 |
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| zer0c00l | and this circle goes on... | Feb 18 13:44 |
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| zer0c00l | its like political manifesto | Feb 18 13:44 |
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| schestowitz | natham from Microsoft talks about this | Feb 18 13:44 |
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| schestowitz | They lie knowingly | Feb 18 13:44 |
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| schestowitz | to "freeze the market," as Microsoft explains it | Feb 18 13:44 |
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| schestowitz | It's against the law | Feb 18 13:44 |
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| schestowitz | Caldera sued Microsoft for it | Feb 18 13:45 |
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| zer0c00l | they keep telling people they are good and never give good product | Feb 18 13:45 |
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| schestowitz | It's like Hollyowood. Promise people dreams | Feb 18 13:45 |
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| zer0c00l | yeah | Feb 18 13:45 |
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| schestowitz | 2002: Longhorn will be out real soon now | Feb 18 13:45 |
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| mib_f25rzq | wow... | Feb 18 13:45 |
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| schestowitz | 2003: Longhorn coming. | Feb 18 13:45 |
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| mib_f25rzq | wow.. | Feb 18 13:45 |
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| zer0c00l | WOW is NOW | Feb 18 13:45 |
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| schestowitz | 2004: Vista, vista... it'll be wonderful.. don't explore alternatives | Feb 18 13:45 |
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| zer0c00l | A** hole is here | Feb 18 13:45 |
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| schestowitz | 2005: development collapse | Feb 18 13:45 |
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| zer0c00l | hahaha | Feb 18 13:45 |
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| zer0c00l | :D | Feb 18 13:45 |
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| schestowitz | To use their own words | Feb 18 13:45 |
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| schestowitz | "Reboot" it what Ballmer called it | Feb 18 13:46 |
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| zer0c00l | they change the theme each time thats it | Feb 18 13:46 |
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| schestowitz | That's not fair to consumers | Feb 18 13:46 |
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| schestowitz | They make them deluded | Feb 18 13:46 |
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| mib_f25rzq | its like im not even here... just letting you two prattle on about nothing | Feb 18 13:46 |
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| schestowitz | Another delivered message is that "it's all bad" | Feb 18 13:46 |
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| schestowitz | MS: "all systems are not secure" | Feb 18 13:46 |
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| schestowitz | MS: "all companies are evil" | Feb 18 13:46 |
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| schestowitz | MS: "all companies abuse a monopoly" | Feb 18 13:46 |
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| schestowitz | MS: "we are cvictums" | Feb 18 13:46 |
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| schestowitz | *victims | Feb 18 13:47 |
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| zer0c00l | *victims | Feb 18 13:47 |
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| zer0c00l | yeah | Feb 18 13:47 |
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| *mib_f25rzq has quit ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") | Feb 18 13:47 |
| schestowitz | mib_f25rzq: let's look beyonfd this | Feb 18 13:47 |
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| schestowitz | Heh. He left | Feb 18 13:47 |
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| zer0c00l | hahaha | Feb 18 13:47 |
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| zer0c00l | :) | Feb 18 13:47 |
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| oiaohm_ | O well I don't think he liked it. | Feb 18 13:47 |
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| zer0c00l | liked what? | Feb 18 13:47 |
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| oiaohm_ | Linux binary compadiblity the lack of is one of my favorate myths.(liked that there was not a hope in hell to convert us) | Feb 18 13:48 |
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| zer0c00l | another M$ addict i guess | Feb 18 13:48 |
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| oiaohm_ | Its comes up and comes up. | Feb 18 13:48 |
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| schestowitz | Yes | Feb 18 13:48 |
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| schestowitz | Seen the Allchin memo? | Feb 18 13:48 |
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| oiaohm_ | Technically there is no binary compadiblity issue with Linux. | Feb 18 13:48 |
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| schestowitz | He talks about spereading this type of myth. | Feb 18 13:48 |
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| zer0c00l | oh | Feb 18 13:48 |
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| schestowitz | I exposed this last month (Comes memos) | Feb 18 13:48 |
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| oiaohm_ | Just lack of people knowing how to build cross distribution packages. | Feb 18 13:48 |
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| zer0c00l | really? | Feb 18 13:49 |
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| oiaohm_ | Really. | Feb 18 13:49 |
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| zer0c00l | oiaohm really? | Feb 18 13:49 |
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| schestowitz | Allchin suggested that upgrading... say.. Fedora... requires recompiling programs. | Feb 18 13:49 |
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| schestowitz | He hasn't a clue | Feb 18 13:49 |
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| schestowitz | Just FUD | Feb 18 13:49 |
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| oiaohm_ | When was the last time you requested a generic package for all distributions from someone. zer0c00l | Feb 18 13:49 |
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| zer0c00l | no i never requested | Feb 18 13:49 |
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| oiaohm_ | 0install and Autopackage both exist of course. | Feb 18 13:49 |
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| zer0c00l | oh | Feb 18 13:50 |
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| oiaohm_ | That can create package that are distribution netural. | Feb 18 13:50 |
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| schestowitz | When someone comes into a boycottnovell chat to defend Microsoft, then always be suspicious. | Feb 18 13:50 |
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| zer0c00l | then why they are not doing this | Feb 18 13:50 |
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| schestowitz | If people need help, they go to #ubuntu or #fedora or something | Feb 18 13:50 |
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| oiaohm_ | Its a chicken and egg problem. | Feb 18 13:50 |
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| schestowitz | So this may have been bair | Feb 18 13:50 |
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| schestowitz | *bait | Feb 18 13:50 |
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| zer0c00l | bait? | Feb 18 13:50 |
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| zer0c00l | yeah | Feb 18 13:50 |
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| schestowitz | The only people who would came HERE for help with Linux are those who do this because of disgust with illegal behaviour | Feb 18 13:51 |
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