| Balrog | yes, tactile feedback would help, but it's better than tiny keys | Mar 01 00:00 |
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| twitter | they did not die, they sell units in Japan don't they? | Mar 01 00:00 |
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| MinceR | hm, dunno | Mar 01 00:00 |
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| MinceR | i thought they did | Mar 01 00:00 |
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| Balrog | don't they still make zaurus in japan? and you can get one on ebay that's translated if you are willing to pay $$$ | Mar 01 00:00 |
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| MinceR | do they come out with newer models? | Mar 01 00:00 |
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| Balrog | yes | Mar 01 00:00 |
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| twitter | It's been a couple of years since I looked. Let's see | Mar 01 00:00 |
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| twitter | Nothing for US http://www.sharpusa.com/products/TypeL... | Mar 01 00:01 |
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| twitter | might be something nice for the rest of the world ... | Mar 01 00:01 |
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| Balrog | look on ebay | Mar 01 00:03 |
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| twitter | wikipedia has some discouraging speculation and bullshit | Mar 01 00:06 |
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| Balrog | about ....? | Mar 01 00:06 |
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| twitter | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shar... | Mar 01 00:06 |
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| twitter | they claim Sharp is abandoning the devices and/or GNU/Linux | Mar 01 00:07 |
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| MinceR | i thought that's what they did long ago | Mar 01 00:07 |
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| Balrog | heh | Mar 01 00:07 |
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| Balrog | not surprising | Mar 01 00:07 |
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| Balrog | though WM will be on the way out | Mar 01 00:07 |
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| twitter | Looks like astroturf to me, compounded by a language barrier. | Mar 01 00:08 |
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| MinceR | well, wm is already dying | Mar 01 00:08 |
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| MinceR | confirmed by microsoft through the new sidekick | Mar 01 00:08 |
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| twitter | M$ ran them Sharp out of the states back in 2004 or so. | Mar 01 00:08 |
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| Balrog_ | http://cgi.ebay.com/Sharp-Zaurus-SL-C3200-PDA... | Mar 01 00:08 |
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| MinceR | looks like an ancient model | Mar 01 00:09 |
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| MinceR | no bluetooth | Mar 01 00:09 |
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| Balrog_ | that's the latest Linux-based clamshell | Mar 01 00:10 |
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| twitter | nice though | Mar 01 00:10 |
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| MinceR | (i usually avoid bt but you can tell a pda is old if it doesn't have one) | Mar 01 00:10 |
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| Balrog_ | heh | Mar 01 00:10 |
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| Balrog_ | from 2006 btw | Mar 01 00:10 |
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| Balrog_ | so it is rather old | Mar 01 00:10 |
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| twitter | it's from 2006 | Mar 01 00:11 |
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| Balrog_ | btw what do you guys think of FreeBSD / OpenBSD / NetBSD ? | Mar 01 00:11 |
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| twitter | BSD is usually snappy and clean feeling. | Mar 01 00:12 |
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| MinceR | i think they're nice to have around but way behind gnu/linux | Mar 01 00:12 |
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| MinceR | also, i really hate their community | Mar 01 00:12 |
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| Balrog_ | I know someone who loves the community and dislikes both Linux and OS X | Mar 01 00:12 |
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| MinceR | all the vocal *bsd fans i've ever known were obnoxious idiots | Mar 01 00:12 |
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| twitter | they think they are clever | Mar 01 00:12 |
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| Balrog_ | yeah this guy is | Mar 01 00:12 |
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| twitter | sometimes they are | Mar 01 00:12 |
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| twitter | it does not matter, a large community has formed around copyleft | Mar 01 00:13 |
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| twitter | principles matter | Mar 01 00:13 |
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| MinceR | it seems to me that the *bsd community is too resistant to new ideas | Mar 01 00:13 |
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| MinceR | ...and new distros :) | Mar 01 00:14 |
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| twitter | so are we all | Mar 01 00:14 |
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| MinceR | i'm not | Mar 01 00:14 |
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| MinceR | and i think that neither is the gnu/linux community | Mar 01 00:14 |
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| MinceR | otherwise we wouldn't be where we are now | Mar 01 00:14 |
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| Balrog_ | idk | Mar 01 00:16 |
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| Balrog_ | BSD is also mostly under the (new) BSD license | Mar 01 00:16 |
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| Balrog_ | which means no copyleft, and discourages contribution (in a way) | Mar 01 00:16 |
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| MinceR | indeed | Mar 01 00:17 |
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| MinceR | especially since m$ and crApple have made a habit of regularly ripping that code off because they can | Mar 01 00:17 |
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| Balrog_ | heh | Mar 01 00:18 |
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| Balrog_ | at least Apple releases much of that code | Mar 01 00:18 |
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| Balrog_ | try asking ms :) | Mar 01 00:18 |
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| schestowitz | Provocative: http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/... | Mar 01 00:26 |
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| Balrog_ | that's why I don't use Firefox on my Mac and Safari instead. Firefox lags terribly (and takes too long to open) | Mar 01 00:27 |
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| schestowitz | Ask Apple about APIs | Mar 01 00:27 |
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| schestowitz | Sounds like they might be 'pulling a MS' | Mar 01 00:28 |
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| Balrog_ | you mean Cocoa? That was always closed. | Mar 01 00:28 |
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| schestowitz | Optimising for their safari blob that makes Apple get leverage. | Mar 01 00:28 |
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| schestowitz | Balrog: all sorts of O/S calls... | Mar 01 00:28 |
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| Balrog_ | yeah I heard about that | Mar 01 00:28 |
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| schestowitz | Look at BN Wki under "development" | Mar 01 00:28 |
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| Balrog_ | but then again, it's LGPL/BSD-licensed code | Mar 01 00:29 |
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| twitter | not sure about sabotage by Apple, Konq is faster and more responsive than Firefox for me. Firefox works with more M$ kludges though.. | Mar 01 00:44 |
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| MinceR | all browsers suck | Mar 01 00:45 |
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| MinceR | but some suck less | Mar 01 00:45 |
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| schestowitz | Sounds like Microsoft's mottos | Mar 01 00:48 |
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| schestowitz | "All companies are evil" | Mar 01 00:49 |
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| schestowitz | "All software is not secure" | Mar 01 00:49 |
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| MinceR | why, thank you. :> | Mar 01 00:50 |
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| Balrog_ | Firefox isn't being sabotaged by Apple, rather, it's written in cross-platform XUL, which is slower to run on any system | Mar 01 00:59 |
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| schestowitz | ;-) Whither ODF? http://www.robweir.com/blog/2009/02/whi... | Mar 01 01:15 |
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| MinceR | gn | Mar 01 01:29 |
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| schestowitz | New FOSS FUD: http://nhbr.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID... | Mar 01 01:33 |
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| Balrog_ | I thought releasing your modified GPL code isn't necessary if it's used internally and never released as closed-source...... | Mar 01 01:36 |
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| schestowitz | Yup | Mar 01 01:39 |
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| PetoKraus | well it goes like | Mar 01 01:57 |
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| PetoKraus | as long as you have obtained the binary, you've got a right for the source | Mar 01 01:58 |
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| PetoKraus | it doesn't include your boss giving you a program which you should work with | Mar 01 01:58 |
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| PetoKraus | but it does include other company selling your boss a program.... | Mar 01 01:58 |
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| twitter | Rob Weir, smart dude. | Mar 01 02:15 |
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| twitter | Sounds like he wants to use Kword. | Mar 01 02:16 |
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| twitter | I have not used Kword in a while. ODF did ugly things to the 3 branch. Made me cry under Etch. | Mar 01 02:17 |
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| twitter | Previously, it was my favorite quick but functional printed document editor. | Mar 01 02:18 |
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| twitter | gn | Mar 01 02:18 |
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| seven\ | why is novell bad? | Mar 01 03:27 |
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| planetxmail | hey all | Mar 01 06:33 |
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| PetoKraus | schestowitz: http://www.zeropaid.com/news/10034/Political+Hypoc... | Mar 01 09:19 |
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| PetoKraus | via /. | Mar 01 09:19 |
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| schestowitz | Hehe. | Mar 01 09:19 |
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| schestowitz | I heard about him infinging. | Mar 01 09:19 |
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| PetoKraus | i hope the whole french government will be disconnected from the internet | Mar 01 09:20 |
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| schestowitz | I don't think it uses it anyway | Mar 01 09:21 |
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| schestowitz | It's in the middle age... all stuck... but the cabinet uses Linux laptops | Mar 01 09:22 |
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| schestowitz | The band which sued will have won lots of recognition and fanfare because the govt. is not popular amid the slump (street protests and all) | Mar 01 09:22 |
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| schestowitz | Someone could sued Gates as well. He admitted watching -- illegally -- films in YouTube | Mar 01 09:23 |
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| PetoKraus | i know | Mar 01 09:23 |
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| PetoKraus | i mean | Mar 01 09:23 |
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| schestowitz | The British govt. and McCain too have violated copyrights | Mar 01 09:23 |
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| PetoKraus | the way to fight this rubbish | Mar 01 09:23 |
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| PetoKraus | is to file as many court cases as possible | Mar 01 09:23 |
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| PetoKraus | the judicial system will eventually break down even more | Mar 01 09:24 |
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| PetoKraus | small claims court for less than €£50 in Scotland costs only €£6 | Mar 01 09:24 |
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| PetoKraus | :) | Mar 01 09:24 |
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| PetoKraus | oh man, i need a new camera | Mar 01 09:26 |
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| PetoKraus | the ISO noise is terrible | Mar 01 09:26 |
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| schestowitz | ISO? | Mar 01 09:27 |
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| PetoKraus | yes, sensitivity of camera sensor/film | Mar 01 09:27 |
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| PetoKraus | ISO 5800: 1987 | Mar 01 09:28 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TQ5meFru... | Mar 01 11:50 |
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| trmanco | PIDGIIN FREAKING ROCKS!: http://pidgin.im/pipermail/support/2... | Mar 01 11:59 |
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| schestowitz | PIDGINS EATING ROCKS | Mar 01 12:02 |
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| trmanco | lol | Mar 01 12:02 |
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| MinceR | lol | Mar 01 12:11 |
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| MinceR | how are you gentlemen !! | Mar 01 12:19 |
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| Tallken | hi schestowitz | Mar 01 12:28 |
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| Tallken | hi guys | Mar 01 12:28 |
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| schestowitz | Yay! The system is working... Yahoo's Microsoft tab totaled $79 million < http://news.cnet.com/8301-1023_3-... > | Mar 01 12:29 |
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| schestowitz | Path of destruction.. Microsoft Says Yahoo No ‘Silver Bullet’ to Fix Online < http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601103&a... > | Mar 01 12:29 |
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| schestowitz | Nowhere before has such INNVA~1 been encountered. | Mar 01 12:29 |
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| schestowitz | This is so stupid: they use MS terminology (TCO) to describe competitors: "RHT is poised to profit from the current economy, as TCO for their portfolio of products are a reasonable degree lower than competitors such as Microsoft and Apple. " http://caps.fool.com/blogs/viewpost... (MS publication too) | Mar 01 12:47 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.forbes.com/afxnewslimited/f... "But Microsoft shares fell more than 3 percent after Ballmer quashed the hopes of some investors for accelerated cost cuts. Microsoft had announced plans to lay off 5,000 workers on Jan. 22 as part of a plan to save $1.5 billion in annual costs." | Mar 01 12:59 |
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| schestowitz | With Layoffs, Microsoft Taketh Away ... and then Taketh Away Again < http://windowsitpro.com/mobile/pda/Articl... . | Mar 01 13:00 |
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| Tallken | schestowitz, technologically speaking, is there any advantage of Mono using JIT instead of Ahead-Of-Time compilation? | Mar 01 13:10 |
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| schestowitz | A company that goes into the trashcan says "buy" MSFT: http://247wallst.com/2009/02/25/citi-reiterates-a... | Mar 01 13:11 |
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| schestowitz | Tallken: not that I can think of. | Mar 01 13:12 |
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| schestowitz | JIT is good when you change the code often. | Mar 01 13:12 |
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| schestowitz | Like in testing. | Mar 01 13:12 |
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| Tallken | hum | Mar 01 13:12 |
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| Tallken | and what about licensing issues? For example, using a closed source app using Mono using some GPL library? I don't even know if that'd be useful or possible but assuming it was... Mono is LGPL so it can be linked - or have pieces interfacing with - GPL software. And whatever uses Mono can have any license, right? | Mar 01 13:15 |
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| schestowitz | IANAL, so I can't tell for sure. | Mar 01 13:16 |
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| Tallken | ok :) | Mar 01 13:17 |
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| schestowitz | mononucleosis doesn't mix well with developers | Mar 01 13:17 |
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| Tallken | it was just out of curiosity | Mar 01 13:17 |
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| Tallken | lol | Mar 01 13:17 |
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| benJIman | Tallken: JITs can give better performance than AOT, especially for long-running applications. | Mar 01 13:19 |
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| Tallken | benJIman, why? | Mar 01 13:19 |
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| benJIman | Tallken: They have more information available to base their optimisations upon, including profiling information gathered during the running of the programme. Furthermore they can make optimistic assumptions for optimisation and then back-out those optimisations if the assumptions prove false at some time during runtime. | Mar 01 13:19 |
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| Tallken | can you give me an simple example? | Mar 01 13:21 |
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| benJIman | Hotspot (Sun's java) does a lot more than mono though. | Mar 01 13:21 |
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| schestowitz | Seems like another product is dying: Future of Microsoft's ESP platform uncertain < http://www.thestandard.com/news/2009/02/26... > | Mar 01 13:21 |
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| benJIman | Hmm say method specialisation. It could assume it is only called with certain types of arguments and optimise accordingly. | Mar 01 13:22 |
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| Tallken | humm ok | Mar 01 13:22 |
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| Tallken | thanks :) | Mar 01 13:22 |
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| benJIman | It's rather difficult to explain things simply. If you google schollar for jit optimisations you'll find some decent papers | Mar 01 13:22 |
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| Tallken | ok :) | Mar 01 13:24 |
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| benJIman | LLVM is interesting bringing JIT to non-managed code., | Mar 01 13:24 |
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| MinceR | hm, does JIT save its results between runs? | Mar 01 13:27 |
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| schestowitz | Microsoft PR in Ars Technica: http://arstechnica.com/microsoft/news/2009/... (Microsoft and employment: the good, the bad, and the ugly (Updated)) | Mar 01 13:31 |
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| toros | hi | Mar 01 13:38 |
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| PetoKraus | http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?... | Mar 01 13:38 |
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| PetoKraus | :) nice article | Mar 01 13:38 |
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| toros | :) | Mar 01 13:40 |
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| schestowitz | Microsoft's "Elevate America initiative" -- using a crisis to make even more money. How shameless: http://sev.prnewswire.com/computer-electronics... | Mar 01 13:41 |
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| toros | They're absolutely right | Mar 01 13:42 |
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| toros | there are always issues with AMD's drivers :( | Mar 01 13:42 |
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| MinceR | and even intel managed to bring out gpus with bad linux support | Mar 01 13:47 |
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| toros | yes, but they are still much better... | Mar 01 13:48 |
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| MinceR | perhaps hw manufacturers should be forced to support linux by law | Mar 01 13:49 |
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| toros | okay, Intel isn't perfect either | Mar 01 13:49 |
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| schestowitz | Intel is a criminal | Mar 01 13:54 |
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| schestowitz | Bribes, sabotage, lies, obstruction of justice, and so forth | Mar 01 13:54 |
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| toros | schestowitz: like the whole business world :( | Mar 01 13:56 |
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| MinceR | the business world is far from uniform in this sense | Mar 01 13:59 |
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| schestowitz | True. | Mar 01 14:09 |
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| schestowitz | Intel and Microsoft face antitrust action around the world for a reason. They are run by neo-gangsters in suits. | Mar 01 14:09 |
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| schestowitz | Sorry, Microsoft's Xbox Has a 'No Lesbians Allowed' Policy < http://www.queerty.com/sorry-microsofts-... > | Mar 01 14:11 |
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| schestowitz | "Lesbian" is a bad word? What else is a bad word then? "Malaysia"? | Mar 01 14:12 |
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| schestowitz | "Republican"? | Mar 01 14:13 |
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| MinceR | iirc "Jesus" is a bad word too, now | Mar 01 14:17 |
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| MinceR | http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0119... | Mar 01 14:18 |
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| MinceR | http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/... | Mar 01 14:23 |
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| schestowitz | Xbox Live Bans Lesbian Gamer, Microsoft Apologizes < http://blog.wired.com/games/2009/... > | Mar 01 14:27 |
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| schestowitz | LOL "Strong language. 7 uses of d-words, 29 s-words, 94 uses of f-words, & 7 uses of Jesus." | Mar 01 14:28 |
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| schestowitz | I liked that film...... | Mar 01 14:28 |
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| schestowitz | 'The Xbox Live banning of a lesbian gamer who self-identified her sexuality created a huge furor on Thursday, prompting Microsoft to characterize its own banning policies as "inelegant."' | Mar 01 14:28 |
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| zer0c00l | schestowitz: hi | Mar 01 14:39 |
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| schestowitz | Hey | Mar 01 14:40 |
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| schestowitz | I'm doing a monsterpost about TomTom | Mar 01 14:40 |
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| zer0c00l | whos tom tom? | Mar 01 14:40 |
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| zer0c00l | schestowitz: i need your opinion/help on some thing..i will forward the mail to you with details | Mar 01 14:40 |
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| zer0c00l | its regarding a discussion on a linux user group | Mar 01 14:41 |
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| schestowitz | OK | Mar 01 14:43 |
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| zer0c00l | schestowitz: i have sent you the mail..please feel free to look at it when you are free | Mar 01 15:16 |
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| schestowitz | OK, will do so soon, I promise | Mar 01 15:23 |
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| schestowitz | The FFII and others are diffusing the TomTom suit. I put together info. | Mar 01 15:23 |
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| amarsh04 | one of the issues I see is that Microsoft benefited from allowing FAT storage for transfer of data between digital recording devices (e.g. cameras) and computers. Having done that, they want to cash in, using their desktop monopoly | Mar 01 15:28 |
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| *amarsh04 wonders what it would be like if Microsoft was forced to support a Free file system format that allowed files to be added/removed (ie not just iso9660 cd-rom) | Mar 01 15:30 |
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| trmanco | I just found a dead project :) | Mar 01 15:46 |
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| trmanco | http://sourceforge.net/projects/lilurl/ | Mar 01 15:47 |
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| trmanco | maybe I can continue it | Mar 01 15:47 |
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| *trmanco has a look into the source code | Mar 01 15:47 |
| schestowitz | Firefox isn't crazy abour opening 100 different sites at the same time (it crashed, ctwice) | Mar 01 16:16 |
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| schestowitz | trmanco: cool, go for it. | Mar 01 16:17 |
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| schestowitz | amarsh04: I've added your words to a large analysis I'll post shortly. | Mar 01 16:26 |
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| amarsh04 | schestowitz, tranfer of data between devices is the main reason FAT patent sabre rattling has any effect | Mar 01 16:37 |
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| amarsh04 | I'm not sure what my record is with iceweasel, but the cpu cycles required to load and render many pages at once can mean that one ends up with connection time-outs. Firefox should provide the option to restrict how many pages it attempts to open at once | Mar 01 16:39 |
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| trmanco | I'm already hacking on it | Mar 01 16:39 |
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| schestowitz | trmanco: cool. | Mar 01 16:41 |
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| schestowitz | amarsh04: yeah... I went cooking while it was reloading all those tabs. I lost a minor edit. | Mar 01 16:41 |
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| schestowitz | Can you guys quickly read this post to find typos along the way? http://boycottnovell.com/2009/0... (A very comprehensive summary of the TomTom case and where it may go) | Mar 01 17:04 |
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| schestowitz | I put a lot of effort into writing a case against the case :-) http://digg.com/linux_unix/Why_Micros... | Mar 01 17:09 |
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| schestowitz | British 'careless' with liberties < http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_po... > | Mar 01 17:13 |
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| schestowitz | Tomorrow is Britain's nationwide "Convention on Modern Liberty" < http://www.boingboing.net/2009/02/27/tom... > | Mar 01 17:14 |
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| MinceR | is there a legal weight of promises? | Mar 01 17:18 |
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| schestowitz | re UK? | Mar 01 17:18 |
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| schestowitz | FAT? | Mar 01 17:18 |
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| MinceR | FAT | Mar 01 17:20 |
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| schestowitz | You are !! :-) | Mar 01 17:27 |
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| schestowitz | IANAL. | Mar 01 17:27 |
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| schestowitz | So many people use redirection services now... :-( It's not a good idea to make archives dependent on the existence of the is.gd domain. | Mar 01 17:28 |
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| schestowitz | bbl | Mar 01 17:34 |
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| amarsh04 | thanks for the quotes schestowitz... you can leave my name scrambled though... there would be a fair bit of inertia moving away from FAT as a storage format for devices (sdcards, usb drives) transfering files between pcs and devices like cameras and portable music devices | Mar 01 18:11 |
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| MinceR | they should switch to ext3. | Mar 01 18:19 |
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| amarsh04 | yes, but an ext3 driver should be a critical patch sent via windows update | Mar 01 18:28 |
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| MinceR | a kubuntu install should be a critical patch sent via windows update | Mar 01 18:29 |
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| amarsh04 | hehehe | Mar 01 18:29 |
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| _doug | openSuSE layoffs .. | Mar 01 19:34 |
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| _doug | http://zonker.opensuse.org/2009/02... | Mar 01 19:34 |
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| _doug | bad idea laying off the developers, better idea would be firing the lawyers ... | Mar 01 19:35 |
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| _doug | Novell CEO gets $3 million cash payout .. | Mar 01 19:39 |
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| _doug | http://investerms.com/index... | Mar 01 19:39 |
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| _doug | That would have paid the saleries of the 100 layed off developers .. | Mar 01 19:39 |
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| _doug | ......................................................................................... | Mar 01 19:49 |
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| _doug | Lenovo sued over MPEG-2 patent | Mar 01 19:50 |
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| _doug | http://www.law.com/jsp/tal/digestTA... | Mar 01 19:50 |
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| amarsh04 | you did well getting linked by linuxtoday.com, schestowitz | Mar 01 19:58 |
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| _doug | ? | Mar 01 20:01 |
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| _doug | what link ? | Mar 01 20:01 |
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| amarsh04 | http://www.linuxtoday.com/infras... | Mar 01 20:02 |
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| _doug | ahh I see | Mar 01 20:02 |
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| _doug | "Let me repeat: wi-fi + computer + car = patent infringement" | Mar 01 20:03 |
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| _doug | I hereby patent the transmission of data using chemical synaptic messages .. | Mar 01 20:04 |
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| _doug | all your brain cells belong us .. | Mar 01 20:04 |
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| _doug | freeze dried dog poop patented .. | Mar 01 20:06 |
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| _doug | http://inventorspot.com/articles/be_first_your... | Mar 01 20:06 |
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| _doug | snoozeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee | Mar 01 20:11 |
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| _doug | Congress may debut patent reform bill Tuesday | Mar 01 20:12 |
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| _doug | http://www.eetimes.com/news/latest/s... | Mar 01 20:12 |
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| amarsh04 | big companies and patent trolls getting other companies to lobby for them | Mar 01 20:19 |
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| schestowitz | amarsh04: I'll change/remove the name | Mar 01 20:26 |
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| schestowitz | I had a typo there. I changed it to "am" | Mar 01 20:27 |
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| amarsh04 | thanks schestowitz | Mar 01 20:28 |
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| schestowitz | BTW, another front pager maybe: http://digg.com/linux_unix/Why_Micr... | Mar 01 20:28 |
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| schestowitz | Some journalist wrote about it too already. | Mar 01 20:28 |
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| _doug | MS would like it to be not about Linux .. | Mar 01 20:29 |
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| schestowitz | The WIKI is coming along nicely. I'll do a lot more after May or June. Another person will go through the other px docs and email summaries. Based on this it's possible can add them to the current articles. It was noticed that I don't maintain the same directory structure as the iowa.gotthefacts.org site. Does it matter as those docs are all over the place in terms of subject? A 5000 doc is part of a 3000 doc and so on... | Mar 01 20:29 |
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| schestowitz | _doug mght recognise this | Mar 01 20:29 |
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| _doug | MS to TomTom: please don't invoke the GPL at the trial ... | Mar 01 20:29 |
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| schestowitz | _doug: I replicate above | Mar 01 20:30 |
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| _doug | Yea .. | Mar 01 20:30 |
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| schestowitz | _doug: yes, Microsoft is losing it | Mar 01 20:30 |
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| schestowitz | Zemlin's post was odd | Mar 01 20:30 |
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| schestowitz | He made Linux seem like a loser | Mar 01 20:30 |
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| _doug | Their strategy do seem to be all over the palce recently .. | Mar 01 20:30 |
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| _doug | place | Mar 01 20:30 |
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| schestowitz | I'll look into tronshow.org too | Mar 01 20:30 |
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| schestowitz | But it all happens quickly | Mar 01 20:31 |
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| schestowitz | Recap: | Mar 01 20:31 |
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| schestowitz | 1. suing over mice, using patents | Mar 01 20:31 |
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| _doug | back to the future .. | Mar 01 20:31 |
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| _doug | :) | Mar 01 20:31 |
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| schestowitz | 2. making threats in the press | Mar 01 20:31 |
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| schestowitz | 3. TomTom comes after some more patent milestone for Microsoft, but I can't remember them right now | Mar 01 20:32 |
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| schestowitz | They treat very quickly up the extortion ladder | Mar 01 20:32 |
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| schestowitz | Myhrvold too | Mar 01 20:32 |
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| _doug | | join standards bodies, polute protocols, then leave .. | Mar 01 20:32 |
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| schestowitz | He has arvested and also threatened, so he's making money this way (Cisco paid him). | Mar 01 20:32 |
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| schestowitz | _doug: re: opensuse layoffs, there's more coming | Mar 01 20:33 |
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| schestowitz | I saw it in the press too | Mar 01 20:33 |
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| schestowitz | amarsh04: didn't notice the link. heh. | Mar 01 20:33 |
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| amarsh04 | cisco has some software that only runs on ms-windows, like their ip-phone call manager software, yet that platform requires reboots due to memory leaks | Mar 01 20:34 |
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| amarsh04 | not sure whether due to ms-win or the cisco software or both | Mar 01 20:34 |
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| amarsh04 | shades of "no-one gets fired for using monopoly products", so it's the safe bet | Mar 01 20:36 |
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| *schestowitz adds some refs from _doug (mpeg2) | Mar 01 20:37 |
| schestowitz | *LOL* @ http://inventorspot.com/articles/be_fi... | Mar 01 20:39 |
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| schestowitz | Making the world a better place one patent/invention at a time. | Mar 01 20:40 |
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| schestowitz | Does that work on humans on just on "poop"? | Mar 01 20:40 |
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| schestowitz | amarsh04: monopoly products are dangerous. If the monopoly falls (as Microsoft might, following the mess that is Vista/Vista7), then no-one remains to maintain the code. | Mar 01 20:41 |
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| amarsh04 | back in the old days, some people talked of having code in escrow... GPL'd code is much better | Mar 01 20:44 |
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| schestowitz | Someone is pushing me to drop the MIB object. | Mar 01 20:47 |
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| schestowitz | Because it has something Flashy for sound, which I never knew about | Mar 01 20:48 |
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| schestowitz | "Did you know that while you are against Novell Inc, oddly your page is the buttress of Adobe Inc's efforts to subvert the open web with "Flash"? Is there any reason you're shoring up Flash?" | Mar 01 20:48 |
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| schestowitz | _doug: MIB is riddled with Flash on the face of it | Mar 01 20:49 |
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| schestowitz | Also against "fancytitle": "Only other bit of feedback is to say the popups when hovering over links are a bit annoying, perhaps some web guy thought it was cool to do that." | Mar 01 20:49 |
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| schestowitz | Maybe I'll just redesign the whole thing soon, I dunno.. | Mar 01 20:50 |
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| schestowitz | I always (almost) produce Oggs where it's possible. I don't like Flash either... maybe I'll knock MIB off the bottom of all pages. Let me know about MIB... I can remove it from all pages. | Mar 01 20:51 |
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| schestowitz | Should I just add <a href="irc://irc.freenode.org"></a> ? | Mar 01 20:51 |
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| schestowitz | _doug: FYI, BSA is filled with former employees of the firm of BIll's dad. | Mar 01 20:54 |
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| _doug | no s**t ? | Mar 01 20:55 |
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| _doug | MIB, the IRC gateway? there's a java applet outthere that does the same thing .. | Mar 01 20:57 |
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| _doug | http://www.pjirc.com/main.php | Mar 01 20:58 |
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| _doug | MS temp workers to vote on ten percent pay cut .. | Mar 01 21:06 |
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| _doug | http://www.techflash.com/microsoft/Temp... | Mar 01 21:06 |
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| schestowitz | yes, irc client | Mar 01 21:09 |
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| schestowitz | _doug: thanks, I work on a post about it | Mar 01 21:09 |
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| schestowitz | Did one 2 days ago, but there are updates | Mar 01 21:09 |
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| schestowitz | Better 10% paycuts then sacking thousands more. | Mar 01 21:09 |
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| schestowitz | "In that case, perhaps you'd consider dropping the Adobe Flash file from the pages? http://embed.mibbit.com/flash/soundmanager2.swf was the one on that page." | Mar 01 21:09 |
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| schestowitz | "It seems to emanate from this mebbit.com, which appears to be some sort of IRC client: <iframe width="480" height="280" scrolling="no" style="border:0" src="http://embed.mibbit.com/?server..."></iframe> " | Mar 01 21:10 |
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| schestowitz | I thoguht it was JS only | Mar 01 21:10 |
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| schestowitz | I looked at page source as well | Mar 01 21:10 |
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| schestowitz | it must be using JS to invoke Flash somehow | Mar 01 21:10 |
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| _doug | Q&A: Microsoft's IP chief on TomTom, Linux and patents | Mar 01 21:12 |
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| _doug | http://www.techflash.com/microsoft/... | Mar 01 21:12 |
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| _doug | how legally can the Linux kernel be in violation only on TomTom devices and what other proprietary software is in violation? | Mar 01 21:14 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.mobilewire.co.uk/18-01-2007... Nokia invented tagging | Mar 01 21:18 |
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| schestowitz | The text is inputted using speech. | Mar 01 21:18 |
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| schestowitz | Speech recognition+tagging=patent | Mar 01 21:19 |
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| schestowitz | Oops. I've baarely done any posts today. I'd better get to it now. | Mar 01 21:32 |
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| trmanco | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWe... | Mar 01 22:18 |
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| schestowitz | ACK | Mar 01 22:20 |
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| trmanco | :) | Mar 01 22:20 |
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