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| oiaohm | Users is the key word. | Apr 25 12:12 |
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| oiaohm | Says nothing about distrobutions. | Apr 25 12:13 |
| oiaohm | codecs in moonlight come from Microsoft. | Apr 25 12:13 |
| oiaohm | Even that there were opensource processors of lots of those formats. | Apr 25 12:14 |
| ushimitsudoki1 | The way the MS covenant reads to me is only Novell can distribute Moonlight. So, if you are non-Novell user, it won't be something that is wrapped up in your distro | Apr 25 12:15 |
| oiaohm | Yep. | Apr 25 12:15 |
| oiaohm | Unless distribution wants to risk hot water or out side where MS rules apply. | Apr 25 12:16 |
| ushimitsudoki1 | Or the expectation is that users will get the distro from wherever and then d/l moonlight from Novell | Apr 25 12:16 |
| schestowitz | ushimitsudoki1: I have some news about moonlight | Apr 25 12:21 |
| schestowitz | Not posted yet | Apr 25 12:21 |
| schestowitz | HAHAHA! | Apr 25 12:22 |
| schestowitz | Brilliant, ushimitsudoki1 | Apr 25 12:22 |
| ushimitsudoki1 | Cool, I will look for it. When I was discussing mono with that fellow here the other day, I tried to make the point that all the acceptance of mono opens the door for things like moonlight. That's what got me to make a note about it | Apr 25 12:22 |
| schestowitz | I love that screenie at the bottom | Apr 25 12:22 |
| schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/wp-conte... | Apr 25 12:23 |
| ushimitsudoki1 | It's in the Microsoft/Novell document. I haven't looked through all of them from that site, because they are so full of shit it's hard to read a lot at one time | Apr 25 12:23 |
| schestowitz | A friend of my apologised to me for installing moonlight (for his wife) | Apr 25 12:23 |
| schestowitz | She watches some Italian chanel | Apr 25 12:23 |
| schestowitz | tacone wrote about over there in Italy the MS family is spreading this disease in TV | Apr 25 12:23 |
| schestowitz | It's funny though that my friend mailed me to apologise | Apr 25 12:24 |
| schestowitz | As though I'd be angry or something :-) | Apr 25 12:24 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz: lol :) | Apr 25 12:49 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz: Do you agree with me that Steve Ballmer is a great asset to the FOSS community? | Apr 25 12:59 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz: In that his idiocy is like the shortest shortcut to the death of Microsoft? | Apr 25 13:02 |
| schestowitz | Yes, pretty much | Apr 25 13:08 |
| schestowitz | We'd be in trouble if an Obama-like PR figure was heading MSFT | Apr 25 13:08 |
| MinceR | how are you gentlemen !! | Apr 25 13:15 |
| schestowitz | :- !! | Apr 25 13:16 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz: I just saw what you were talking about this post about the guy who added Microsoft related stuff to the ODF Wikipedia page. :) | Apr 25 13:26 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz: LOL, "Microsoft Office 2007 to Support ODF - and not OOXML". Yeah FSCK'in right. :D | Apr 25 13:27 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz: This rubbish is removable though, shall I do that? | Apr 25 13:29 |
| schestowitz | Omar87: yes, it's incorrect | Apr 25 13:30 |
| schestowitz | Wikipedia has been sabotaged by this guy endlessly | Apr 25 13:30 |
| schestowitz | He's notorious in the ODF circles | Apr 25 13:30 |
| schestowitz | Also for smearing ODF people | Apr 25 13:30 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz: I can remove those stupid things from there if you want. | Apr 25 13:31 |
| schestowitz | As long as it's factual | Apr 25 13:33 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft Office is pro MS-OOXML | Apr 25 13:33 |
| schestowitz | the Microsoft version of OOXML | Apr 25 13:33 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft does not support ECMA OOXML | Apr 25 13:33 |
| schestowitz | So nobody does | Apr 25 13:33 |
| schestowitz | And Microsoft is promoting OOXML | Apr 25 13:33 |
| schestowitz | The ODF bit is just a sort of lie to lock dpeartments in to MSO | Apr 25 13:34 |
| schestowitz | So that they'll be told ODF is OK, and they should stick with MSO (MS Office) | Apr 25 13:34 |
| schestowitz | But Microsoft will warn users if they save as ODF | Apr 25 13:34 |
| schestowitz | It'll be crappy | Apr 25 13:34 |
| schestowitz | Typical Microsoft | Apr 25 13:34 |
| schestowitz | Debian has just published this detailed analysis of Moonlight licensing. I suggest that you read it. http://lists.debian.org/debian-le... | Apr 25 14:17 |
| trmanco | http://tuxarena.blogspot.com/2009/04/ku... | Apr 25 14:21 |
| trmanco | Kuubntu looks pretty slick | Apr 25 14:21 |
| trmanco | Kubuntu* | Apr 25 14:21 |
| trmanco | more than Ubuntu | Apr 25 14:22 |
| trmanco | http://www.itwire.com/conte... | Apr 25 14:24 |
| schestowitz | I saw a review earlier | Apr 25 14:25 |
| schestowitz | http://tuxarena.blogspot.com/2009/04/kubunt... | Apr 25 14:25 |
| schestowitz | Hehe. | Apr 25 14:25 |
| schestowitz | Oops. | Apr 25 14:25 |
| schestowitz | Same one. | Apr 25 14:25 |
| trmanco | :-P | Apr 25 14:25 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: sam mailed me last night | Apr 25 14:26 |
| schestowitz | But not about the article | Apr 25 14:26 |
| schestowitz | About Mono having MS employees(ish) | Apr 25 14:26 |
| schestowitz | I'm preparing a post about Mono as well (thanks, ushimitsudoki1 ) | Apr 25 14:27 |
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| schestowitz | I mailed Mark Shuttleworth about mono some moments ago. | Apr 25 14:28 |
| trmanco | schestowitz, that great, no reply yet? push Gnote | Apr 25 14:29 |
| trmanco | that's* | Apr 25 14:29 |
| schestowitz | Xandros is finished IMHO: http://boycottnovell.com/2009/04/... | Apr 25 14:29 |
| schestowitz | tessier: gnote is not ready yet | Apr 25 14:29 |
| schestowitz | Ubuntu has also too many developments in and dependencies on other mono apps | Apr 25 14:30 |
| schestowitz | The "mono religion" guards it closely to maximise .NET penetration to the mases | Apr 25 14:30 |
| schestowitz | *masse | Apr 25 14:30 |
| Eruaran | Im sticking with Kubuntu | Apr 25 14:30 |
| trmanco | there are just 2 apps that depend on mono AFAIK, and they can now be replaced | Apr 25 14:34 |
| trmanco | tomboy and f-spot can be replaced | Apr 25 14:34 |
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| Eruaran | What about Evolution ? | Apr 25 14:35 |
| schestowitz | "Steve Ballmer, remember where you read about this idea. And send me my commission through the Cayman Islands." | Apr 25 14:35 |
| schestowitz | Hehe | Apr 25 14:35 |
| schestowitz | Eruaran: for KDE4 it might bve better to pick Mandriva 2009.1 (out shortly) | Apr 25 14:35 |
| schestowitz | mandriva actually developes for KDE | Apr 25 14:35 |
| schestowitz | Ubuntu just tosses something out.. | Apr 25 14:35 |
| schestowitz | Eruaran: evolution is not mono | Apr 25 14:36 |
| schestowitz | There's some appendages that may require mono | Apr 25 14:36 |
| schestowitz | But it's not ill with monoculuesis just yet | Apr 25 14:36 |
| Eruaran | k | Apr 25 14:36 |
| Eruaran | I'm enjoying Kubuntu, its rather nice | Apr 25 14:37 |
| trmanco | Eruaran, no, not that I know of | Apr 25 14:39 |
| schestowitz | Novell spends a lot of money promoting its Microsoft-taxed 'Linux' distribution: http://boycottnovell.com/2009/0... | Apr 25 14:45 |
| schestowitz | So it's not far fetched that Microsoft may buy Novell after all: http://boycottnovell.com/2009/04/25/n... | Apr 25 14:50 |
| trmanco | Bandit Defense site statistics | Apr 25 14:53 |
| trmanco | : http://blog.banditdefense.com/2009/04... | Apr 25 14:53 |
| trmanco | Operating System | Apr 25 14:53 |
| trmanco | 48.5% Windows XP | Apr 25 14:53 |
| trmanco | 23.7% Windows Vista | Apr 25 14:53 |
| trmanco | 9.0% Mac OS X | Apr 25 14:53 |
| trmanco | 7.3% Ubuntu Linux | Apr 25 14:53 |
| trmanco | 3.0% Linux (other) | Apr 25 14:53 |
| trmanco | 2.6% Windows NT 6.0 | Apr 25 14:53 |
| trmanco | 2.4% Windows Server 2003 | Apr 25 14:53 |
| trmanco | 1.2% Windows 2000 | Apr 25 14:53 |
| trmanco | 1.0% Debian Linux | Apr 25 14:53 |
| trmanco | 1.0% (other) | Apr 25 14:53 |
| trmanco | 0.3% iPhone | Apr 25 14:53 |
| trmanco | Web Browser | Apr 25 14:53 |
| trmanco | 68.0% Firefox 3 | Apr 25 14:53 |
| trmanco | 12.6% Internet Explorer 6 | Apr 25 14:54 |
| trmanco | 6.8% Internet Explorer 7 | Apr 25 14:54 |
| trmanco | 2.8% Firefox 2 | Apr 25 14:54 |
| trmanco | 1.8% Opera | Apr 25 14:54 |
| trmanco | 1.6% Safari | Apr 25 14:54 |
| trmanco | 1.5% Internet Explorer 8 | Apr 25 14:54 |
| trmanco | 1.4% Google Chrome | Apr 25 14:54 |
| trmanco | 1.0% Iceweasel (which is Firefox on Debian) | Apr 25 14:54 |
| trmanco | 0.9% Internet Explorer 5 | Apr 25 14:54 |
| trmanco | Please don’t fork (and esspecially don’t fork forks): http://blogs.gnome.org/johannes/2009... | Apr 25 14:56 |
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| schestowitz | trmanco: it must be forced, say the trolls | Apr 25 15:01 |
| schestowitz | They claim that Linux is 0.000000000000000000000000000000001% | Apr 25 15:01 |
| trmanco | for the trolls, linux doesn't even exist | Apr 25 15:01 |
| trmanco | well, that what they try to spread anyway | Apr 25 15:01 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: opposite | Apr 25 15:02 |
| schestowitz | for the trolls, linux does even exist | Apr 25 15:02 |
| schestowitz | That's why they harass Linux forums all the time | Apr 25 15:02 |
| trmanco | you're might be right | Apr 25 15:03 |
| trmanco | you* | Apr 25 15:03 |
| trmanco | Microsoft Surface Is an Incredible User Experience That Sucks a Whole Bunch to Setup: http://i.gizmodo.com/5226620/microso... | Apr 25 15:03 |
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| mib_ut9s9w | hi oiaohm | Apr 25 15:04 |
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| _Hicham_ | hi oiaohm | Apr 25 15:05 |
| trmanco | Android 1.5 Released: http://www.osnews.com/story/2... | Apr 25 15:07 |
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| schestowitz | Microsoft AND Novell are now calling "Moonlight" just "Microsoft Moonlight". No kidding!!! http://boycottnovell.com/2009/04/... | Apr 25 15:15 |
| schestowitz | Hi, _Hicham_ | Apr 25 15:15 |
| MinceR | Microsoft Novell! | Apr 25 15:15 |
| _Hicham_ | Hi schestowitz | Apr 25 15:17 |
| _Hicham_ | it is very sad that Oracle bought Sun | Apr 25 15:17 |
| oiaohm | Not really. | Apr 25 15:17 |
| oiaohm | Oracle aquiring sun will start the next war. | Apr 25 15:17 |
| oiaohm | Between major software companies. | Apr 25 15:17 |
| oiaohm | IBM vs Oracle | Apr 25 15:18 |
| _Hicham_ | what about Java's future? | Apr 25 15:18 |
| oiaohm | MS is most likely going to get hit in the cross fire. | Apr 25 15:18 |
| oiaohm | Oracle wants java. | Apr 25 15:18 |
| _Hicham_ | Oracle don't do well with open source | Apr 25 15:18 |
| oiaohm | Lot of there customers depend on it. | Apr 25 15:18 |
| oiaohm | What a myth _Hicham_ | Apr 25 15:18 |
| _Hicham_ | why? | Apr 25 15:18 |
| _Hicham_ | isn't that true? | Apr 25 15:19 |
| oiaohm | Oracle don't brag about what they do. | Apr 25 15:19 |
| _Hicham_ | well, they should | Apr 25 15:19 |
| oiaohm | Like the two major back end of mysql were made by Oracle | Apr 25 15:19 |
| oiaohm | Ok made or maintained. | Apr 25 15:19 |
| _Hicham_ | and open source? | Apr 25 15:19 |
| oiaohm | yes. | Apr 25 15:19 |
| _Hicham_ | do u think that Oracle will continue the process of open sourcing java? | Apr 25 15:20 |
| oiaohm | Oracle could not brag without giving credit to there competion. | Apr 25 15:20 |
| oiaohm | Oracle will most likely open source more. | Apr 25 15:20 |
| oiaohm | Remember lot of Oracles customers use Java. | Apr 25 15:20 |
| _Hicham_ | coz open jdk still lacks certain features | Apr 25 15:20 |
| _Hicham_ | as they are proprietary | Apr 25 15:21 |
| oiaohm | So Oracle providing more java features making customers happy. | Apr 25 15:21 |
| oiaohm | Good for Oracle | Apr 25 15:21 |
| _Hicham_ | Oracle ships java with their products | Apr 25 15:21 |
| oiaohm | Some of there products. | Apr 25 15:21 |
| _Hicham_ | more features doesn't mean open source ones | Apr 25 15:21 |
| _Hicham_ | jdk will still be closed source | Apr 25 15:22 |
| MinceR | btrfs is from oracle too. | Apr 25 15:22 |
| oiaohm | Lot of Linux kernel alterations come from oracle. | Apr 25 15:23 |
| oiaohm | Lot of small alterations all over the place come from oracle. | Apr 25 15:24 |
| _Hicham_ | I know that | Apr 25 15:24 |
| _Hicham_ | since they need it | Apr 25 15:24 |
| _Hicham_ | that is how kernel have grown rapidly | Apr 25 15:24 |
| oiaohm | The need java for there customers as well. | Apr 25 15:24 |
| _Hicham_ | without corporate efforts, kernel wouldn't have been what it is today | Apr 25 15:24 |
| oiaohm | Upsetting customers not good for Oracle. | Apr 25 15:25 |
| oiaohm | Oracle is also a memeber of the Linux foundation. | Apr 25 15:26 |
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| MinceR | and they've paid more than sun did | Apr 25 15:26 |
| trmanco | Windows16452663.9 % | Apr 25 15:26 |
| trmanco | Linux5679722 % | Apr 25 15:26 |
| trmanco | Unknown3348213 % | Apr 25 15:26 |
| trmanco | Macintosh21560.8 % | Apr 25 15:26 |
| trmanco | Sun Solaris1280 % | Apr 25 15:26 |
| trmanco | BSD1080 % | Apr 25 15:26 |
| trmanco | Symbian OS1060 % | Apr 25 15:26 |
| oiaohm | So releasing code of some of sun projects make them look better. | Apr 25 15:26 |
| trmanco | Sony PlayStation Portable310 % | Apr 25 15:26 |
| trmanco | Unknown Unix system220 % | Apr 25 15:26 |
| MinceR | for what it's worth | Apr 25 15:26 |
| trmanco | OS/220 % | Apr 25 15:26 |
| trmanco | those stats are from one of my sites | Apr 25 15:26 |
| schestowitz | Update: http://kinesismomentum.wordpress... | Apr 25 15:27 |
| schestowitz | So they attacked the guy who reviewed Surface negatively | Apr 25 15:27 |
| schestowitz | See the comment: http://boycottnovell.com/2009/04/25/... | Apr 25 15:28 |
| MinceR | and the vista7 failure continues >> http://tech.slashdot.org/article... | Apr 25 15:28 |
| oiaohm | You are aware that Oracle provide code to all of the open source web development techs _Hicham_ | Apr 25 15:28 |
| oiaohm | Basically Oracle make very little nose about what they do. | Apr 25 15:29 |
| _Hicham_ | I hope that they will optimize java for linux | Apr 25 15:30 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: fp says "Altho I call it Kubuntu with XP running in QEMU...." | Apr 25 15:30 |
| MinceR | :) | Apr 25 15:30 |
| schestowitz | Ah goodness.. | Apr 25 15:30 |
| _Hicham_ | java on linux is a mess | Apr 25 15:30 |
| MinceR | java is a mess | Apr 25 15:30 |
| MinceR | there, fixed that for you. | Apr 25 15:30 |
| oiaohm | Oracle is wait and see. | Apr 25 15:31 |
| MinceR | "You dawg, I heard you like Windows, so we put Windows in your Windows so you can BSOD while you BSOD." | Apr 25 15:31 |
| oiaohm | It all comes down to what Oracle wants the most. | Apr 25 15:31 |
| _Hicham_ | MinceR : java on windows outperforms java linux | Apr 25 15:31 |
| oiaohm | Depends. | Apr 25 15:32 |
| magentar | does it? | Apr 25 15:32 |
| _Hicham_ | oiaohm : do u doubt that? | Apr 25 15:32 |
| *MinceR waits for the benchmarks | Apr 25 15:32 | |
| oiaohm | It all depends on the system you are using. | Apr 25 15:32 |
| _Hicham_ | u mean the hardware? | Apr 25 15:32 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: let me know if you find an article about it other than Shill Thurrott's | Apr 25 15:32 |
| oiaohm | Some of the custom distributions I run with almost everything built with portland group complier hammers the crud out of Windows. | Apr 25 15:33 |
| schestowitz | _Hicham_: false | Apr 25 15:33 |
| magentar | Okay the 2d stuff is faster on windows since it is hw accelerated, but plain java algorithms might even run faster on linux | Apr 25 15:33 |
| schestowitz | _Hicham_: Phoronix did a benchmark | Apr 25 15:33 |
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| schestowitz | Java on Linux beat Windows | Apr 25 15:33 |
| _Hicham_ | schestowitz : i seen that | Apr 25 15:33 |
| _Hicham_ | it is simply not true | Apr 25 15:33 |
| _Hicham_ | from my own experience | Apr 25 15:33 |
| magentar | _Hicham_, what programs are you talking about? | Apr 25 15:34 |
| MinceR | so now we have Phoronix's word against _Hicham_'s word. | Apr 25 15:34 |
| _Hicham_ | yes | Apr 25 15:34 |
| MinceR | at least the testing methodology for the former is known. | Apr 25 15:34 |
| _Hicham_ | it is obvious | Apr 25 15:34 |
| _Hicham_ | run eclipse on linux and on windows | Apr 25 15:34 |
| _Hicham_ | and see by urself | Apr 25 15:34 |
| schestowitz | http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page... http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news... | Apr 25 15:34 |
| schestowitz | _Hicham_: don't use 'feel' to argue with experiments | Apr 25 15:34 |
| magentar | eclipse is not faster on windows, except your setup is bogus | Apr 25 15:34 |
| MinceR | eclipse is java now? | Apr 25 15:35 |
| oiaohm | It comes down to the java engine. | Apr 25 15:35 |
| _Hicham_ | magentar : my setup was ubuntu's official | Apr 25 15:35 |
| oiaohm | gcj does not run eclipse all that great. | Apr 25 15:35 |
| schestowitz | _Hicham_: put Eclipse on Vista | Apr 25 15:35 |
| schestowitz | Give it one gig or RAM | Apr 25 15:35 |
| _Hicham_ | schestowitz : fuck Vista | Apr 25 15:35 |
| magentar | yes ubuntu sometimes defaults to gcj | Apr 25 15:35 |
| oiaohm | What java _Hicham_ | Apr 25 15:35 |
| schestowitz | And also, let the Registry bloat up for a bit :-) | Apr 25 15:35 |
| oiaohm | That are 6 different java's on Linux. | Apr 25 15:35 |
| _Hicham_ | magentar : it wasn't gcj | Apr 25 15:36 |
| oiaohm | Yes 6 different java engines. | Apr 25 15:36 |
| _Hicham_ | it was sun's jre 1.6 | Apr 25 15:36 |
| _Hicham_ | sun's is the most advanced one | Apr 25 15:36 |
| _Hicham_ | as it features the hotspot jit compiler | Apr 25 15:36 |
| oiaohm | Ok slow to start after about 30 to 40 mins running Windows is slower and Linux is faster. | Apr 25 15:37 |
| oiaohm | That is the trend with 1.6 sun. | Apr 25 15:37 |
| oiaohm | Suspending Eclipse to disk as some advantages with it. | Apr 25 15:38 |
| _Hicham_ | oiaohm : so u say that the hotspot jit runs better on linux? | Apr 25 15:38 |
| oiaohm | With time. | Apr 25 15:38 |
| magentar | it does... | Apr 25 15:38 |
| magentar | your problems are probably swt related | Apr 25 15:38 |
| oiaohm | Windows slows down. | Apr 25 15:38 |
| _Hicham_ | magentar : isn't swt the best ui toolkit in java? | Apr 25 15:39 |
| oiaohm | Longer complex programs are running. | Apr 25 15:39 |
| oiaohm | Nasty windows trend undoes it short term advantage of accelerated graphics. | Apr 25 15:39 |
| magentar | depends what you call best. probably not the fastest one | Apr 25 15:39 |
| _Hicham_ | magentar : what is the fastest one then? | Apr 25 15:39 |
| _Hicham_ | magentar : and don't tell me awt | Apr 25 15:40 |
| magentar | opengl accelerated java2d? | Apr 25 15:40 |
| _Hicham_ | magentar : didn't use that | Apr 25 15:40 |
| _Hicham_ | but opengl on linux is still buggy | Apr 25 15:41 |
| oiaohm | Compared to X11 2d. | Apr 25 15:41 |
| magentar | opengl is not buggy, maybe the drivers are | Apr 25 15:41 |
| oiaohm | Its great. | Apr 25 15:41 |
| _Hicham_ | oiaohm : maybe with dri2 | Apr 25 15:41 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft has just ended buybacks!! | Apr 25 15:41 |
| oiaohm | Opengl is fine with 1 program using it. | Apr 25 15:41 |
| schestowitz | IT won't be lifting its stock artificially anymore | Apr 25 15:41 |
| _Hicham_ | oiaohm : that is the problem | Apr 25 15:41 |
| schestowitz | I guess there's no much excess in profits anymore | Apr 25 15:42 |
| _Hicham_ | oiaohm : u can't use more than one viewport | Apr 25 15:42 |
| oiaohm | Nvidia cards don't suffer from the 1 program limit. | Apr 25 15:42 |
| magentar | with dri2 it works flawlessly even in many programs | Apr 25 15:42 |
| oiaohm | Closed driver hacks around it. | Apr 25 15:42 |
| oiaohm | Yes I do mean hackes | Apr 25 15:42 |
| magentar | and you can run it in multiple programs if you don't use compiz | Apr 25 15:43 |
| _Hicham_ | hope to see dri2 supported by more drivers | Apr 25 15:43 |
| _Hicham_ | magentar : i use compiz with opengl | Apr 25 15:43 |
| _Hicham_ | i works very slowly, with viewports corruption | Apr 25 15:44 |
| _Hicham_ | i am using matlab with opengl | Apr 25 15:44 |
| _Hicham_ | it is really a pain in the ass | Apr 25 15:44 |
| magentar | you have a intel graphics card? | Apr 25 15:44 |
| _Hicham_ | no, ati | Apr 25 15:44 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft's stock had been elevated for years by Microsoft's buying lots of it. This has now ended. | Apr 25 15:44 |
| _Hicham_ | and using the open source radeon driver | Apr 25 15:45 |
| magentar | do you use the fglrx driver or the opensource one? | Apr 25 15:45 |
| magentar | ok | Apr 25 15:45 |
| _Hicham_ | i ve run some games successfuly | Apr 25 15:46 |
| magentar | did you try it on xserver 1.6 already? | Apr 25 15:46 |
| oiaohm | http://www.euclideanspace.com/softwar... Have to try make this beast work with C# to C++ at some point. | Apr 25 15:46 |
| schestowitz | Nice image: New Unigine Project Will Work On Linux < http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?pa... > | Apr 25 15:46 |
| oiaohm | Open source radeon driver supports DRI2 without opengl support. | Apr 25 15:47 |
| magentar | ah that's a shame | Apr 25 15:47 |
| oiaohm | _Hicham_ opengl support is still in works. | Apr 25 15:47 |
| oiaohm | Should be out before middle of year. | Apr 25 15:47 |
| magentar | btw, is ati supporting the opensource driver in any way at the moment? | Apr 25 15:47 |
| _Hicham_ | magentar : yes | Apr 25 15:48 |
| _Hicham_ | by releasing the specs | Apr 25 15:48 |
| magentar | still better than nvidia i guess | Apr 25 15:48 |
| Hi all. | Apr 25 15:49 | |
| oiaohm | And code | Apr 25 15:49 |
| oiaohm | Its specs and sample code. | Apr 25 15:49 |
| oiaohm | Makes job a lot simpler with sample code. | Apr 25 15:49 |
| If you want to know just how crappy the M$ experience really is, I'm your man. | Apr 25 15:50 | |
| _Hicham_ | magentar : i am still using xserver 1.5 | Apr 25 15:50 |
| I have to use it at work. | Apr 25 15:50 | |
| schestowitz | I'm close to tossing our The Register because they hired a Microsoft shill, Gavin Clarke | Apr 25 15:50 |
| _Hicham_ | I am on fedora 10 | Apr 25 15:50 |
| schestowitz | He's attacking FOSS from The Register | Apr 25 15:50 |
| schestowitz | POS | Apr 25 15:50 |
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| it's been a while since I saw anything useful from the Register | Apr 25 15:51 | |
| schestowitz | twitter: yes, I've read | Apr 25 15:51 |
| _Hicham_ | I will test it on fedora 11 soon | Apr 25 15:51 |
| BN is my primary news source now. | Apr 25 15:51 | |
| schestowitz | Later on Microsoft will say they gain market share | Apr 25 15:51 |
| magentar | okay, if there is no dri2 support yet, i won't bother upgrading. i'm using fedora rawhide atm with intel drivers, it's quite good. | Apr 25 15:51 |
| schestowitz | They get hits using theis software | Apr 25 15:51 |
| *Eruaran|alphates has quit (Connection reset by peer) | Apr 25 15:51 | |
| schestowitz | Which they force people to use | Apr 25 15:51 |
| schestowitz | Auto-updates and OEM bundling | Apr 25 15:51 |
| _Hicham_ | magentar : fedora 11 will ship xserver 1.6 | Apr 25 15:52 |
| They play a weird game for "upgrades" where they beg the user repeatedly to do the dirty work | Apr 25 15:52 | |
| magentar | yes | Apr 25 15:52 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft's buybacks are bizarre. They said they'd issue debt. | Apr 25 15:52 |
| ah, is that what drove their stock price back over $20 on Friday? | Apr 25 15:53 | |
| oiaohm | twitter: Are you system admin on a windows network. | Apr 25 15:53 |
| I'm glad it was not institutional investors | Apr 25 15:53 | |
| oiaohm | I am | Apr 25 15:53 |
| oiaohm | Nightmare never end with it. | Apr 25 15:53 |
| I'm unsure of what the admins actually use but all the network stuff devolves to the Windows lowest common denominator. | Apr 25 15:54 | |
| Windows still pretends other computers are a floppy drive. | Apr 25 15:54 | |
| R: that kind of thing instead of a book mark to an IP address. | Apr 25 15:54 | |
| It's insane | Apr 25 15:55 | |
| oiaohm | I am a Linux and Solarais system admin as well. | Apr 25 15:55 |
| oiaohm | those networks give me no trouble. | Apr 25 15:55 |
| schestowitz | I don't mind journos who just promote MS | Apr 25 15:55 |
| schestowitz | By this Gavin Clarke POS is attacking Linux | Apr 25 15:56 |
| schestowitz | And he does it in 'witty' ways | Apr 25 15:56 |
| SMB is some kind of horrible "discovery" network. | Apr 25 15:56 | |
| schestowitz | By using words like sandals and flogging MS vapour | Apr 25 15:56 |
| I mind people who ignorantly promote crap. | Apr 25 15:56 | |
| _Hicham_ | schestowitz : another "Get the Facts" campaign? | Apr 25 15:56 |
| trmanco | the version of eclipse in Ubuntu is old | Apr 25 15:56 |
| schestowitz | _Hicham_: sorta | Apr 25 15:56 |
| schestowitz | Him and Kelly ruin the Register | Apr 25 15:56 |
| schestowitz | Ruined since the founder left | Apr 25 15:56 |
| trmanco | I use netbeans, it loads a lot faster here on Ubuntu then on Windows at school | Apr 25 15:57 |
| the Register's founder left? another mystery solved | Apr 25 15:57 | |
| oiaohm | SMB first design came from Sun Microsystems twitter | Apr 25 15:57 |
| oiaohm | The first design was sane. | Apr 25 15:57 |
| I don't care where it came from or how sane it once was, it sucks life now. | Apr 25 15:57 | |
| sftp is far better | Apr 25 15:58 | |
| oiaohm | Do you have any idea of the numbers of errors samba found in MS addons to SMB. | Apr 25 15:58 |
| oiaohm | They crossed the 100 000 mark about 2 years ago. | Apr 25 15:58 |
| I don't care. | Apr 25 15:58 | |
| I don't want it. | Apr 25 15:58 | |
| oiaohm | Yep even different verisons of windows like 2000 and XP will not talk to each other all the time over SMB. | Apr 25 15:58 |
| oiaohm | Glitchy. | Apr 25 15:59 |
| _Hicham_ | fuck MS networks of shit | Apr 25 15:59 |
| magentar | if i have to use windows i always use winscp and openssh. i won't bother to do anything with smb. | Apr 25 15:59 |
| schestowitz | SFTP? | Apr 25 15:59 |
| schestowitz | Why not fish? | Apr 25 15:59 |
| schestowitz | More secure, more versatile IMHO | Apr 25 16:00 |
| schestowitz | copy over ssh | Apr 25 16:00 |
| schestowitz | scp | Apr 25 16:00 |
| what's the difference? | Apr 25 16:00 | |
| schestowitz | twitter: protocol. | Apr 25 16:00 |
| schestowitz | In Konqueror it's easier | Apr 25 16:00 |
| schestowitz | Assuming you set up no sftp daemon | Apr 25 16:00 |
| schestowitz | Just enable SSH on all PC and off you go | Apr 25 16:00 |
| schestowitz | I never set up FTP on my own PC, I think... | Apr 25 16:01 |
| schestowitz | Maybe I tried when I was a teenager | Apr 25 16:01 |
| oiaohm | http://support.microsoft.com/kb/276304 << Now this bug took the cake with 2000. | Apr 25 16:01 |
| http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki... | Apr 25 16:01 | |
| oiaohm | 18770 Characters for password anyone. | Apr 25 16:01 |
| schestowitz | _Hicham_: don't forget why smb came about | Apr 25 16:02 |
| schestowitz | Look at the recent memo with a good quote | Apr 25 16:02 |
| schestowitz | About having to replace standards | Apr 25 16:02 |
| looks like ssh to me. | Apr 25 16:02 | |
| schestowitz | Sun/NFS/etc | Apr 25 16:02 |
| schestowitz | From Gates IIRC | Apr 25 16:02 |
| I use sftp:// on Konqueror and thought it was basically the same thing as fish. | Apr 25 16:02 | |
| _Hicham_ | standards can't emerge from MS | Apr 25 16:03 |
| _Hicham_ | MS just have to be shut | Apr 25 16:03 |
| _Hicham_ | fucking shut for good | Apr 25 16:03 |
| *Eruaran agrees | Apr 25 16:03 | |
| MinceR | indeed | Apr 25 16:03 |
| Konqueror and grsync deal with all of my file transfer needs perfectly. | Apr 25 16:03 | |
| schestowitz | http://www.groklaw.net/article... | Apr 25 16:04 |
| schestowitz | "Kill cross-platform Java by grow[ing] the polluted Java market." --MicrosoftVJ98 SKUs and Pricing Proposal | Apr 25 16:04 |
| Windows .... leaves much to be desired | Apr 25 16:04 | |
| schestowitz | "[W]e should just quietly grow j++ share and assume that people will take more advantage of our classes without ever realizing they are building win32-only java apps." --Microsoft's Thomas Reardon | Apr 25 16:04 |
| schestowitz | Who said Microsoft does not comply with standards? Standard crime :-)) | Apr 25 16:04 |
| MinceR | nah, not much -- only its complete disappearance. | Apr 25 16:04 |
| _Hicham_ | Windows is basically a public bathroom | Apr 25 16:04 |
| _Hicham_ | everyone can shit in it | Apr 25 16:04 |
| MinceR | windows is a cancer. | Apr 25 16:05 |
| schestowitz | Oh, I found it | Apr 25 16:05 |
| schestowitz | "What we are trying to do is use our server control to do new protocols and lock out Sun and Oracle specifically"" Bill Gates, Microsoft | Apr 25 16:05 |
| schestowitz | That's about SMB | Apr 25 16:05 |
| nice | Apr 25 16:05 | |
| MinceR | as if that could even work | Apr 25 16:05 |
| MinceR | sun and oracle could have easily pulled a novell and had the user install extensions to windows | Apr 25 16:06 |
| _Hicham_ | vive conficker | Apr 25 16:06 |
| _Hicham_ | vive lsass vulnerabilities | Apr 25 16:06 |
| schestowitz | "Microsoft first proposed to Netscape that, rather than compete with each other, the two companies should enter an illegal conspiracy to divide up the market. When Netscape refused, Microsoft then used its Windows monopoly to, in Microsoft's own words, 'cut off Netscape's air supply.'" | Apr 25 16:06 |
| schestowitz | --Joel Klein, Assistant Attorney General (quoting Paul Maritz, Microsoft's then-Group Vice President of the Platform Applications Group) | Apr 25 16:06 |
| schestowitz | Maritz is now heading VMware | Apr 25 16:06 |
| schestowitz | They put a criminal in charge | Apr 25 16:06 |
| schestowitz | And he'll serve Microsoft | Apr 25 16:07 |
| schestowitz | he also surrounded himself with two former MS managers | Apr 25 16:07 |
| _Hicham_ | schestowitz : not all MS employees are evil | Apr 25 16:07 |
| _Hicham_ | some of them support open source | Apr 25 16:07 |
| _Hicham_ | it is just that they can't decide | Apr 25 16:07 |
| oiaohm | Bad blood between oracle and MS is old. | Apr 25 16:08 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft wants to kill Oracle | Apr 25 16:08 |
| schestowitz | "Please give me one good reason why we should even consider [enabling Microsoft technology to work on competing systems]. (Hint: any good answer needs to include making more money and helping kill Unix, Sybase or Oracle.) --James Allchin, Microsoft Senior Vice-President | Apr 25 16:08 |
| MinceR | if they really support FLOSS, they should refuse to work for m$. | Apr 25 16:08 |
| MinceR | they should put their money where their mouth is. | Apr 25 16:08 |
| _Hicham_ | as oiaohm said, it is a new war between IBM and Oracle | Apr 25 16:08 |
| oiaohm | Oracle and IBM both have Office suites now. | Apr 25 16:08 |
| _Hicham_ | MinceR : it is not as simple as that | Apr 25 16:08 |
| _Hicham_ | oiaohm : office suites basically similar | Apr 25 16:09 |
| schestowitz | "If we own the key 'franchises' built on top of the operating system, we dramatically widen the 'moat' that protects the operating system business.... We hope to make a lot of money off these franchises, but even more important is that they should protect our Windows royalty per PC." --Jeff Raikes, Microsoft President | Apr 25 16:09 |
| oiaohm | IBM and Oracle now in there software inventory have a complete match up to every product MS amkes. | Apr 25 16:09 |
| MinceR | does IBM really care about its office suite? | Apr 25 16:09 |
| oiaohm | makes | Apr 25 16:09 |
| oiaohm | full blown war between them for market control could get really nasty. | Apr 25 16:09 |
| MinceR | then again, IBM probably doesn't care about anything that doesn't concern servers. | Apr 25 16:09 |
| oiaohm | Catch its is half fake. | Apr 25 16:09 |
| _Hicham_ | IBM care about other products | Apr 25 16:09 |
| _Hicham_ | like AS400 | Apr 25 16:09 |
| schestowitz | "The approach we will take is to detect dr [DOS] and refuse to load. The error message should be something like 'Invalid device driver interface.'" --Phillip Barrett, Microsoft Windows Development Manager | Apr 25 16:10 |
| oiaohm | IBM Office suite is based off OpenOffice. | Apr 25 16:10 |
| schestowitz | Soon 3.0 | Apr 25 16:10 |
| _Hicham_ | everyone changes openoffice and pretends to have done sthg new | Apr 25 16:10 |
| MinceR | not everyone | Apr 25 16:10 |
| oiaohm | IBM attacking MS MS would get press. | Apr 25 16:10 |
| _Hicham_ | like go-oo | Apr 25 16:10 |
| schestowitz | "This anti-trust thing will blow over. We haven't changed our business practices at all." -- Bill Gates, Microsoft founder and then-CEO (1995) | Apr 25 16:10 |
| MinceR | we still have Gnome Office and KOffice :) | Apr 25 16:10 |
| oiaohm | Orcale attacking MS MS would get press. | Apr 25 16:10 |
| oiaohm | Orcale attacks IBM and takes MS out as side damage MS does not get press. | Apr 25 16:11 |
| _Hicham_ | MinceR : nothing come close to openoffice for the moment | Apr 25 16:11 |
| oiaohm | IBM vs Orcale war will be good. | Apr 25 16:11 |
| _Hicham_ | oiaohm : it will rip MS ass | Apr 25 16:12 |
| _Hicham_ | "Windows is Obsolete", Roy Schestowitz | Apr 25 16:13 |
| oiaohm | Add in arm and mips chip makers want ways into the desktop market. | Apr 25 16:13 |
| oiaohm | MS is in hell. | Apr 25 16:13 |
| _Hicham_ | MS is giving Windows XP for free | Apr 25 16:14 |
| _Hicham_ | just to keep its market | Apr 25 16:14 |
| _Hicham_ | but how long can they afford that? | Apr 25 16:14 |
| oiaohm | Worse | Apr 25 16:14 |
| oiaohm | MS has been paying asus so they ship windows. | Apr 25 16:14 |
| _Hicham_ | oiaohm : really? | Apr 25 16:14 |
| oiaohm | Yep. | Apr 25 16:14 |
| _Hicham_ | but asus ships Xandros | Apr 25 16:14 |
| that's the accusation | Apr 25 16:14 | |
| MinceR | Roy said they don't pay for Xandros though. | Apr 25 16:15 |
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| No, Xandros used to get about $5 per netbook | Apr 25 16:15 | |
| mib_fcuczm | please ,someone edit mono apps | Apr 25 16:15 |
| mib_fcuczm | we need to add some criticism to monoapps | Apr 25 16:15 |
| easy edit, "rm mono_app" | Apr 25 16:15 | |
| mib_fcuczm | Like I done with bannshee | Apr 25 16:16 |
| mib_fcuczm | Look the banshee example | Apr 25 16:16 |
| mib_fcuczm | The actual list talks positive thing of monoapps | Apr 25 16:16 |
| why would I bother with banshee when I could use amarok? | Apr 25 16:16 | |
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| _Hicham_ | Asus will ships Fedora or Ubuntu with time | Apr 25 16:16 |
| mib_fcuczm | we need to change for put a list of negative things and criticisms | Apr 25 16:16 |
| _Hicham_ | as it was done with OLPC | Apr 25 16:17 |
| mib_fcuczm | No twitter , I 'm not promoting banshee | Apr 25 16:17 |
| mib_fcuczm | http://boycottnovell.com/wi... | Apr 25 16:17 |
| mib_fcuczm | Look the banshee example | Apr 25 16:17 |
| Asus took it's first quarterly loss ever last quarter. I'm not sure how they did this one/ | Apr 25 16:17 | |
| _Hicham_ | Plus, Xandros have been optimized for EeePC by ASUS Engineers | Apr 25 16:17 |
| mib_fcuczm | Please ,someone fix the bad english mistakes | Apr 25 16:17 |
| there's nothing wrong with your english, thanks | Apr 25 16:20 | |
| _Hicham_ | but how will MS provide splashtop? | Apr 25 16:20 |
| mib_fcuczm | thanks! | Apr 25 16:20 |
| MinceR | well, ubuntu managed to break koffice. | Apr 25 16:21 |
| mib_fcuczm | But we need to add more criticisms for other apps like monotorrent an tomboy | Apr 25 16:21 |
| you might want to include a link to the specifics, like how has the license failed to protect artists | Apr 25 16:21 | |
| what the license is, as listed by the fsf | Apr 25 16:21 | |
| schestowitz | The value of Linux/FOSS skills is up very sharply: http://www.networkworld.com/news/2009/04... | Apr 25 16:21 |
| mib_fcuczm | twitter: for example banshee uses mit/x11 and this license permits drm | Apr 25 16:21 |
| cool, pay for people who earned it. | Apr 25 16:22 | |
| _Hicham_ | fuck drm | Apr 25 16:22 |
| schestowitz | mib_fcuczm: edit the mono_apps description | Apr 25 16:22 |
| schestowitz | They are from Wikipedia | Apr 25 16:22 |
| mib_fcuczm | and mit/x11 license is veery weak against patents | Apr 25 16:22 |
| schestowitz | They can be stripped off their destription | Apr 25 16:23 |
| That's good information, fcuzm, you could link to a page that provides proof of the license and to the FSF criticism of that license. | Apr 25 16:23 | |
| schestowitz | *description | Apr 25 16:23 |
| mib_fcuczm | schestowitz: Can I remove mono apps description? | Apr 25 16:23 |
| _Hicham_ | well, basically linux distros should remove it from their repos | Apr 25 16:23 |
| _Hicham_ | if debian, ubuntu, and fedora remove it, mono will disappear | Apr 25 16:23 |
| schestowitz | mib_fcuczm: we can't edit more than one person at a time | Apr 25 16:24 |
| mib_fcuczm | _Hicham_: this will never happen, but we can enforce distro to not include mono by default | Apr 25 16:24 |
| schestowitz | Later on I will do another pass (when you finish) | Apr 25 16:24 |
| _Hicham_ | but then, how to convince them | Apr 25 16:24 |
| schestowitz | It has been viewed hundreds of times per day | Apr 25 16:24 |
| schestowitz | We also need a page that acts as an index to Mono critique | Apr 25 16:24 |
| _Hicham_ | schestowitz : u didn't list all alternatives | Apr 25 16:24 |
| _Hicham_ | u were subjective | Apr 25 16:25 |
| schestowitz | mib_fcuczm: yes, remove their description | Apr 25 16:25 |
| schestowitz | It's from Wikipedia | Apr 25 16:25 |
| mib_fcuczm | schestowitz: Yes ,I was planning to do this a complex chapter about mono | Apr 25 16:25 |
| mib_fcuczm | schestowitz: ok | Apr 25 16:25 |
| schestowitz | I used their apps list as a starting point | Apr 25 16:25 |
| mib_fcuczm | mib_fcuczm: Remember ,I'm seller_liar | Apr 25 16:25 |
| schestowitz | _Hicham_: I don't know the alternative | Apr 25 16:26 |
| schestowitz | *ves | Apr 25 16:26 |
| schestowitz | Not all of them | Apr 25 16:26 |
| _Hicham_ | sellar_liar : type /nick sellar_liar in freenode window | Apr 25 16:26 |
| schestowitz | I'm mostly a kDE user (not only) | Apr 25 16:26 |
| schestowitz | Help out by editing the page with us | Apr 25 16:26 |
| _Hicham_ | ok | Apr 25 16:26 |
| schestowitz | cellar or sellar :-) | Apr 25 16:26 |
| *mib_fcuczm is now known as seller_liar | Apr 25 16:27 | |
| seller_liar | _Hicham_: thanks! | Apr 25 16:28 |
| stellar | Apr 25 16:28 | |
| seller_liar | twitter: what is stellar? | Apr 25 16:29 |
| "Of or pertaining to stars" | Apr 25 16:29 | |
| "Full of stars; starry" | Apr 25 16:30 | |
| seller_liar | twitter: a crazy guy? | Apr 25 16:30 |
| seller_liar | what is the beagle and tomboy license? | Apr 25 16:31 |
| People generally use the word for positive connotations, excellence. It can be a synonym for "heavenly" that does not come with religious baggage. | Apr 25 16:32 | |
| a stellar_liar is one that lies very well | Apr 25 16:32 | |
| Eruaran | I'm going to forward the ECIS paper to one of Australia's most respected journalists and hope he/she is interested in covering it. | Apr 25 16:32 |
| seller_liar | twitter: ok thanks | Apr 25 16:32 |
| _Hicham_ | Ubuntu is slow because of mono and beagle | Apr 25 16:32 |
| _Hicham_ | once beagle and mono are removed eveything goes back to normal | Apr 25 16:33 |
| I thought it would be fun to praise the change of nick name this way. | Apr 25 16:33 | |
| seller_liar | twitter: another day | Apr 25 16:33 |
| _Hicham_ | thanks to god fedora doesn't ship mono by default, nor does debian | Apr 25 16:33 |
| Eruaran | Maybe Liz Jackson or Quentin Dempster | Apr 25 16:33 |
| Ubuntu without mono and beagle, that has to be more like Debian.... | Apr 25 16:34 | |
| seller_liar | We need to add a page about nevell craziness about Mit/X11 license | Apr 25 16:34 |
| seller_liar | novell promotes mit/x11 against gplv3 | Apr 25 16:34 |
| go for it | Apr 25 16:34 | |
| seller_liar | twitter: ok | Apr 25 16:34 |
| thanks | Apr 25 16:34 | |
| I have to run along and get a few things done today. | Apr 25 16:35 | |
| seller_liar | twitter: The mono webpage needs to be reestructered | Apr 25 16:35 |
| see you later | Apr 25 16:35 | |
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| seller_liar | twitter: bye | Apr 25 16:35 |
| schestowitz | More Facebook FUD from MSBBC: http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/rss/-... | Apr 25 16:36 |
| seller_liar | roy ,if possible ,add some criticisms to mono apps | Apr 25 16:36 |
| schestowitz | Of course, she could be caught going to the grocery store | Apr 25 16:36 |
| schestowitz | But no... they use some online thing for a good story | Apr 25 16:37 |
| schestowitz | Eruaran: good, do just that | Apr 25 16:37 |
| schestowitz | seller_liar: Microsoft can live with those licences | Apr 25 16:38 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft hates GPL | Apr 25 16:38 |
| schestowitz | seller_liar: we have criticisms already | Apr 25 16:38 |
| schestowitz | We need to do a page with index to posts IMHO | Apr 25 16:38 |
| schestowitz | Not to rewrite from scratch | Apr 25 16:38 |
| schestowitz | Too much duplication | Apr 25 16:39 |
| seller_liar | schestowitz: ok | Apr 25 16:39 |
| seller_liar | where are the criticisms about tomboy, do you have the link | Apr 25 16:40 |
| schestowitz | You can search for tomboy | Apr 25 16:40 |
| schestowitz | http://www.google.com/custom?q=... | Apr 25 16:41 |
| _Hicham_ | fuck Facebook | Apr 25 16:42 |
| schestowitz | Rob Kerr is back to the INQ(uirer) | Apr 25 16:43 |
| schestowitz | But it sucks | Apr 25 16:43 |
| schestowitz | And they hardly published much anymore | Apr 25 16:43 |
| schestowitz | VEry few posts /day | Apr 25 16:43 |
| schestowitz | Register is a shill farm now, for some parts at least | Apr 25 16:43 |
| _Hicham_ | schestowitz : they need money | Apr 25 16:43 |
| schestowitz | Apple thinks netbooks are "junky" < http://www.theinquirer.net/inquir... > | Apr 25 16:44 |
| schestowitz | Apple will hopefully stay out of this market] | Apr 25 16:44 |
| schestowitz | _Hicham_: yes, I wonder if they are paid | Apr 25 16:44 |
| schestowitz | The founder left | Apr 25 16:44 |
| schestowitz | Maybe they just still run the sites for their own use and inetrests | Apr 25 16:44 |
| schestowitz | Like floating their buddies and stuff | Apr 25 16:44 |
| schestowitz | Some journos boosted Microsoft and then got a job at Microsoft | Apr 25 16:45 |
| schestowitz | Same with 'analysts' | Apr 25 16:45 |
| schestowitz | This is good news about Linux+ARM: ARM wants the sub $200 netbook market < http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/9... > | Apr 25 16:45 |
| schestowitz | It'll run Ubuntu. | Apr 25 16:46 |
| schestowitz | Some of them anyway | Apr 25 16:46 |
| schestowitz | Xandros wants in, too | Apr 25 16:46 |
| magentar | if apple wants to compete in the netbook market, they also would have to give their OS away nearly for free. that's something apple won't do.. | Apr 25 16:46 |
| schestowitz | magentar: yes, it's "junky" | Apr 25 16:46 |
| schestowitz | Apple charges premium for hw | Apr 25 16:47 |
| schestowitz | OEMing OS X won't happen | Apr 25 16:47 |
| schestowitz | Also, hw support becomes an isue | Apr 25 16:47 |
| schestowitz | But they have CUPS | Apr 25 16:47 |
| seller_liar | http://boycottnovell.com/wiki/index... | Apr 25 16:47 |
| seller_liar | look tomboy criticism | Apr 25 16:47 |
| schestowitz | "So what will happen to Sun's hefty legal department, which listed 170 lawyers in 2006?" http://www.law.com/jsp/ihc/PubA... | Apr 25 16:48 |
| _Hicham_ | sellar_liar : please pay attention to english mistakes | Apr 25 16:50 |
| seller_liar | _Hicham_: please fix the mistakes | Apr 25 16:50 |
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| seller_liar | schestowitz: I'm rewriting all mono section.I will contact trmanco later to translate all writings for me | Apr 25 16:51 |
| schestowitz | Oh you still edit | Apr 25 16:52 |
| schestowitz | Now we have conflicts | Apr 25 16:52 |
| seller_liar | I have stopped | Apr 25 16:52 |
| seller_liar | delete my comment then | Apr 25 16:53 |
| _Hicham_ | schestowitz : I will help with an arabic and french sections | Apr 25 16:53 |
| _Hicham_ | what do u think? | Apr 25 16:53 |
| schestowitz | seller_liar: you can merge | Apr 25 16:53 |
| schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/wiki/index... | Apr 25 16:54 |
| schestowitz | _Hicham_: sounds great | Apr 25 16:54 |
| seller_liar | schestowitz: I'm not Funnylife ,I'm seller liar | Apr 25 16:56 |
| seller_liar | schestowitz: You can merge and fix all mistakes | Apr 25 16:57 |
| _Hicham_ | schestowitz : I just logged out | Apr 25 16:58 |
| _Hicham_ | I am funnylife | Apr 25 16:59 |
| schestowitz | _Hicham_: thanks. I see it's just a little typo-conflict | Apr 25 17:00 |
| schestowitz | Nothing major | Apr 25 17:00 |
| schestowitz | The pages will expand over time later this year when I free up time. I'll do lots this summer | Apr 25 17:00 |
| _Hicham_ | I don't know if Ubuntu 9.04 still ships mono apps | Apr 25 17:03 |
| _Hicham_ | who is using ubuntu 9.04 in here? | Apr 25 17:04 |
| seller_liar | _Hicham_: I don t know , I remember only f-spot and tomboy are included | Apr 25 17:06 |
| seller_liar | _Hicham_: But people like directhex tries to include bansee too | Apr 25 17:06 |
| ushimitsudoki1 | There is a big push on to get Banshee in the default install too | Apr 25 17:06 |
| _Hicham_ | too sad to hear | Apr 25 17:10 |
| schestowitz | It's controled by Novell | Apr 25 17:10 |
| schestowitz | Unlike Tomboy | Apr 25 17:10 |
| schestowitz | And it expands to video too | Apr 25 17:10 |
| schestowitz | Maybe DRM | Apr 25 17:10 |
| _Hicham_ | there must be some plan to remove that crap | Apr 25 17:11 |
| schestowitz | http://www.google.com/search?q=si... | Apr 25 17:11 |
| _Hicham_ | microsoft must just be cut | Apr 25 17:11 |
| ushimitsudoki1 | mono-promoters are well organized and keep pushing mono apps. Sad to say, but they are winning the war right now in terms of getting out the message in the Ubuntu community | Apr 25 17:11 |
| _Hicham_ | no interop | Apr 25 17:11 |
| _Hicham_ | fuck interop if it is with MS | Apr 25 17:11 |
| schestowitz | It's interop for MS | Apr 25 17:12 |
| schestowitz | Patents, MS standards, easy migration to Windows | Apr 25 17:12 |
| schestowitz | That's why Novell signed the deal | Apr 25 17:12 |
| _Hicham_ | fuck interop | Apr 25 17:12 |
| schestowitz | It does sign deal for goodness | Apr 25 17:12 |
| _Hicham_ | vive linux | Apr 25 17:12 |
| schestowitz | MS is not a charity, yet | Apr 25 17:12 |
| schestowitz | I've got to go now | Apr 25 17:12 |
| _Hicham_ | interop should be one way | Apr 25 17:12 |
| ushimitsudoki1 | http://brainstorm.ubuntu... - This is the brainstorm idea about getting Rhythmbox out as the default Ubuntu media player | Apr 25 17:12 |
| _Hicham_ | not both | Apr 25 17:12 |
| _Hicham_ | Linux should interop with all | Apr 25 17:13 |
| seller_liar | ushimitsudoki1: The only way to destroy mono devs is recruit developers to port all mono apps to another languages | Apr 25 17:13 |
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| _Hicham_ | sellar_liar : no | Apr 25 17:13 |
| _Hicham_ | that is a waste of time | Apr 25 17:13 |
| seller_liar | _Hicham_: yes! | Apr 25 17:13 |
| _Hicham_ | go do it urself | Apr 25 17:14 |
| seller_liar | _Hicham_: Because calls atention for about mono problems | Apr 25 17:14 |
| ushimitsudoki1 | seller_liar: well I don't know if that is the *only* way. Novell people for example are going to push mono no matter what | Apr 25 17:14 |
| ushimitsudoki1 | It's part of the paycheck there | Apr 25 17:14 |
| seller_liar | for example gnote cause a lot of destruction in mono trolls | Apr 25 17:14 |
| _Hicham_ | fuck mono | Apr 25 17:14 |
| _Hicham_ | if u want to kill sthg, isolate it | Apr 25 17:14 |
| seller_liar | I know , but we can't win ,but we cannot lose all battles | Apr 25 17:15 |
| _Hicham_ | sellar_liar : who did say we can't win? | Apr 25 17:15 |
| _Hicham_ | Linux is winning for sure | Apr 25 17:15 |
| seller_liar | mono api domination | Apr 25 17:15 |
| _Hicham_ | there is a huge amount of R&D in Linux | Apr 25 17:16 |
| _Hicham_ | far more than in any other platform | Apr 25 17:16 |
| _Hicham_ | Linux supports most hardware out of the box | Apr 25 17:16 |
| _Hicham_ | all big corporations send their drivers to kernel tree | Apr 25 17:17 |
| _Hicham_ | it is fast paced | Apr 25 17:17 |
| _Hicham_ | what do we want more? | Apr 25 17:17 |
| seller_liar | we need learn to program! | Apr 25 17:17 |
| seller_liar | We must turn in developers to destroy mono apps | Apr 25 17:17 |
| seller_liar | We need port all mono apps | Apr 25 17:17 |
| seller_liar | I was thinking even in a python port of banshee called sheepy | Apr 25 17:18 |
| magentar | what for, there's already rhythmbox and songbird. both are better than banshee | Apr 25 17:18 |
| ushimitsudoki1 | Why port Banshee instead of improving existing alternatives, though? Porting Tomboy is important because it is included by default in Ubuntu, so that's a little different than porting just any random mono app | Apr 25 17:19 |
| seller_liar | but ,it's not included by default | Apr 25 17:19 |
| ushimitsudoki1 | Same thing with F-Spot | Apr 25 17:19 |
| ushimitsudoki1 | Yes it is. Tomboy is in by default and so is F-Spot | Apr 25 17:19 |
| seller_liar | but banshee probably will come in next version of ubuntu | Apr 25 17:19 |
| seller_liar | we need to port f-spot and banshee | Apr 25 17:19 |
| ushimitsudoki1 | Better to improve Rhythmbox than port Banshee, I think | Apr 25 17:20 |
| _Hicham_ | fuck banshee | Apr 25 17:20 |
| _Hicham_ | well i use audacious | Apr 25 17:20 |
| seller_liar | Rhythmbox is abandoned | Apr 25 17:21 |
| magentar | rhythmbox is very easy to extend, i tried to write a shoutcast plugin recently, it was just a view lines of code | Apr 25 17:21 |
| _Hicham_ | sellar_liar : revive it then | Apr 25 17:21 |
