Several days after Novell's Brainshare conference, Scott talked to Bruce Perens about the reaction to his news conference criticizing Novell's financial and development agreements with Microsoft. In this conversation, Scott challenges an earlier Perens statement that the agreement amounts to "SCO all over again." In particular, Scott focuses on Microsoft's recent willingness to engage the open source community in ways SCO does not. Scott also talks with Bruce about the increasing number of venture-funded open source startups who believe in software patents, and about his aversion to the Mono open source project. Finally, what are the prospects for a more effective open source lobbying organization?