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IRC: #boycottnovell @ FreeNode: October 5th, 2008

Posted in IRC Logs at 3:25 am by Dr. Roy Schestowitz

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schestowitz If he ‘retires’, then he could probably get a high-salary job at Microsoft (his ‘reward’), just like Peter Galli. Oct 05 00:04
schestowitz The Jeff Gould shill < http://boycottnovell.com/2008/01/23/jeff-g… >, AKA “AlexGr”, is now attacking the criticism of Microsoft and ISO. He uses the typical vectors to inject his poison. Oct 05 00:08
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schestowitz http://www.tbray.org/ongoing/… Oct 05 00:17
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MinceR gn Oct 05 00:30
schestowitz I think we’ll need to buy more bandwidth for this month. Oct 05 00:49
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schestowitz http://lessig.org/blog/2008/10/the_… :  the many domains of corruption Oct 05 00:53
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twitter The munchkins are doing damage control, are they?  Remember from the DRDOS case that it was all planned in advance. Oct 05 01:32
schestowitz In reference to what specifically in this case? Oct 05 01:33
schestowitz PJ has just found something interesting: http://boycottnovell.com/2008/10/04/le… Oct 05 01:34
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twitter I was just looking around at your last links.  Serene writing from beautiful places.  It almost makes you wish you were a whore too. Oct 05 01:38
twitter Such is the power of tyranny and corruption. Oct 05 01:38
schestowitz I’ve just asked Sutor (in his blog) to write something about http://www.heise-online.co.uk/open/Is-Microso… Oct 05 01:39
schestowitz I see you’ve just replied to the “Microsoft has changed” kumbaya. Oct 05 01:46
schestowitz More FUD and very daemonising headlines: http://www.itworldcanada.com/a/News/e86bc031-… Oct 05 01:48
schestowitz And how far companies go to pretend they have something to do with “open source”… http://www.econtentmag.com/Articles/News/News-I… (nothing open source… just some API) Oct 05 01:50
twitter The non free software people have always pretended to be standards compliant and “off the shelf” cheap if not free.  I’m glad that evolving scam is finally going to end. Oct 05 02:19
twitter It’s been a bad week or two for M$ to cap off a bad couple of years on a really bad decade.  The Vista rejection, going into debt, developer and executive exodus, having their machinations exposed, massive backlashes and now it looks like the quarter is going to suck for them. Oct 05 02:22
twitter Epic failure. Oct 05 02:22
schestowitz “There is such an overvaluation of technology stocks that it is absurd. I would include our stock in that category. It is bad for the long-term worth of the economy.” –Steve Ballmer, Microsoft’s CEO  ( tessier read this) Oct 05 02:24
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tessier schestowitz: Why are they having a stock buy-back if their stock is overvalued? Oct 05 04:08
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yuhong Have Apple filed any patents related to the parts of Mac OS X that are open source? Oct 05 04:50
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yuhong Even if boycott novell is anti-MS, and it is, usually they do have a point that should not be dismissed. Oct 05 05:02
yuhong Ex, I am neutral on Vista but do hate the MS-Novell deal. Oct 05 05:02
yuhong Because it makes it easier to use patents to make open source software proprietary. Oct 05 05:03
yuhong You could in theory bribe open source authors to leave a feature that require patents in to collect royalties, for example. Oct 05 05:05
yuhong GPLv2 was designed to prevent that. Oct 05 05:05
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zoobab hi Oct 05 08:33
schestowitz yuhong: yes, they have (Apple) Oct 05 09:00
schestowitz yuhong: I replied too fast without reading carefully. I am not aware of _UNIX-related_ patent from Apple or anything that pertains to open source (since when is a /feature/ associated with a programming paradigm anyway?). Oct 05 09:02
trmanco looks like the mirror is still online :-) Oct 05 09:04
trmanco it survived Oct 05 09:04
schestowitz There’s another  HTML version produced. Oct 05 09:04
schestowitz When things slow down, I’ll upload those 11,000+ files. Oct 05 09:04
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trmanco the one with the pngs? Oct 05 09:05
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schestowitz About 20 GB yesterday in BN alone (excluding all the mirrors). Oct 05 09:05
schestowitz trmanco: yes, the PNGs and all… Oct 05 09:06
trmanco ok Oct 05 09:06
trmanco well, 750mb here Oct 05 09:06
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schestowitz tessier: what do you make of Novell’s and Red Hat’s buybacks? Oct 05 09:13
schestowitz http://technocrat.net/d/2008/10/4/50951 “The “ill liquidity” problem banks are having is apparently spreading to other sorts of banks, in this case, the big Millenium seedbank project, which operates critical agricultural-and other- needs seed storage.” Oct 05 09:25
schestowitz *sigh* http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/… Oct 05 09:25
PetoKraus so, did your hosts survive? Oct 05 09:26
PetoKraus i am thinking of printing the specs and putting them on my wall as a poster Oct 05 09:27
PetoKraus to have something to read when i fall asleep, like, forever. Oct 05 09:28
schestowitz If you buy enough paper and toner, you’ll be flagged a potential terror suspect, I think. Oct 05 09:30
MinceR geekings Oct 05 09:32
schestowitz State chooses vapour over real O/Ses that are better? http://www.informationweek.com/n… Oct 05 09:45
PetoKraus why the hell would you need to have every version of microsoft windows? Oct 05 09:49
PetoKraus i mean, i used 95′s, ME’s and then straight to XP… Oct 05 09:49
PetoKraus it’s like buying a new car just because there is one Oct 05 09:50
schestowitz Thos money wastebasket of Microsoft (they lose billions here) is still breathing…   http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2331067,00.asp Oct 05 09:50
schestowitz PetoKraus: they design the versions that way. There was a good comment about that in /. yesterday. In my opinion, they just need to sell the same thing over and over again… like the music industry. Oct 05 09:51
*schestowitz catching up with 900 unread Microsoft RSS items ATM. Oct 05 09:52
PetoKraus :D Oct 05 09:52
schestowitz There will be a big post later today, unless I rot while reading it all. Oct 05 09:54
schestowitz This is hysterical (they have already called in the ‘retired’ Allchin for the investigation):  Microsoft tries to avoid Ballmer deposition in Vista suit < http://www.bizjournals.com/seattle/s…  > Oct 05 09:57
schestowitz Brit Business Users Not Warm on Vista < http://www.businessweek.com/globalbiz… > Oct 05 09:58
schestowitz 4% for Vista.. “More than half (58 per cent) of businesses using Microsoft technology are “exploiting” Windows XP compared to just four per cent for Vista” Oct 05 10:00
schestowitz Seems like the Microsoft-Pystar connection is likely < http://www.phonesreview.co.uk/2008/1…/ > Oct 05 10:05
schestowitz http://www.earthtimes.org/articl… “Microsoft continues its commitment to advancing Hispanics through technology as New Technology Founding Partner for National Hispanic Business Information Clearinghouse. SACRAMENTO, Calif., Sept. 26″ Oct 05 10:07
schestowitz First this, then Portugal lockin. Oct 05 10:07
schestowitz http://www.marketwatch.com/news/sto… “Portuguese Government and Microsoft Partner on Affordable Computing Agreement for Schoolchildren” Oct 05 10:07
schestowitz As if Microsoft’s proprietary software is “to help meet education and technology goals of governments and citizens.” Oct 05 10:08
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schestowitz For future ref:  Quintum PR: http://www.itreselleronline.com/articl… “Netopolis will also be focusing on new Microsoft initiatives with Microsoft Office Communications Server 2007.” So another Microsoft partner received govt. franchise. Oct 05 10:13
schestowitz The misinformation about Microsoft phones is being refuted: http://www.g4tv.com/thefeed/b… http://www.brighthand.com/default.asp?newsID=14415 http://www.phonesreview.co.uk/2008/09/29/… Oct 05 10:18
schestowitz MSBBC speaks to the bully and tries to improve his image as far as I can see: http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/techno… Oct 05 10:25
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schestowitz Seems like Richard Waters is a bit of a Microsoft talking point. He attacked Linux before and now this: http://blogs.ft.com/techblog/2008… Google fights back against the Microsoft lobbying machine [...] “This just sounds like sour grapes.” Oct 05 10:48
schestowitz “Regaining lost ground now will be hard. Mark one up for Microsoft’s slicker lobbying machine.” Can he not see that lobbying is just “political corruption”? Oct 05 10:49
schestowitz LawMedia is not lobbying. It’s AstroTurfing, which Microsoft has embarked on. Oct 05 10:49
schestowitz “According to Reuters, Microsoft said, “Given the current economic environment we are taking the prudent step of reviewing our hiring plans and will make some adjustments as appropriate.”” http://www.bloggingstocks.com/2008/10/04/a… Oct 05 10:53
schestowitz This chap fails to assess alternatives to Microsoft, despite those licensing woes: http://www.australianit.news.com.au… Oct 05 10:57
schestowitz zoobab: http://blogs.computerworld.com/extra_an_ex_stan… Oct 05 11:13
schestowitz Microsoft glorification in AP/Seattle: http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/6420ap… Oct 05 11:16
schestowitz twitter would appreciate knowing that the government is still run by corporations < http://www.computerworld.com/actio… > (Microsoft’s lobbying on bailout bill fails to sway votes) Oct 05 11:25
schestowitz Microsoft actually has a role called “antipiracy chief”:  http://www.ecommercetimes.com/story/64606.html (propaganda term-filled article) Oct 05 11:35
schestowitz Microsoft (MSFT) pumping at its pseudo press: http://www.fool.com/investing/value/2008… Oct 05 11:38
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schestowitz Richard Waters is indeed very fanboyish on Microsoft: “Microsoft flexed its financial muscles…” < http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/bbb42cea-8906-1… >. After his trashing of Linux, he’s probably worth including in the index of “to beware” writers. Oct 05 11:59
schestowitz More on the manufactured FUD (Microsoft-funded ‘study’):  http://www.crn.com/software/210604895 Oct 05 12:00
schestowitz Hypervisor lock-in (Ballnux/Windows) promoted by the man who threatened Linux with patents: http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/breakingnews/inf… Oct 05 12:05
schestowitz Using the Government of Uganda, Microsoft wants to addict children:  http://www.monitor.co.ug/artman/publish/bu… Oct 05 12:09
schestowitz What a deceiving headline: Quick Hits: Microsoft and TIVO Unity < http://www.minyanville.com/articles/MS… > Oct 05 12:23
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schestowitz There’s still no telling why Todd Bishop left and what he’s up to now… http://blog.seattlepi.nwsource.com/theb… Oct 05 12:30
schestowitz Feet dragging for Microsoft to pay tax it has escaped: hTax dept asks Microsoft to pay up Rs 256 crore < ttp://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Busin ess/India_Business/Tax_dept_asks _Microsoft_to_pay_up_Rs_256_cr ore/ articleshow/3532472.cms > Oct 05 12:33
schestowitz h ttp://timesofindia.i ndiatimes.com/Busi ness/India_Business/Ta x_dept_asks_Microsoft_to_ pay_up_Rs_ 256_crore/articlesho w/3532472.cms Oct 05 12:34
schestowitz Oops.http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Business/Ind… Oct 05 12:34
schestowitz http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Busin… “In another case also, Microsoft had to pay about Rs 700 crore as income tax, including interest on royalty income of Rs 2,240 crore generated from sale of software in India for six years from 1999 to 2005.” Oct 05 12:35
schestowitz Gates gaining influence inside the UK… http://www.episcopalchurch.org/79901_101076_… (it’s perverse because of his use of this influence to sell Microsoft technology… unlike someone like Bono who hasn’t a chance of ‘addicting people to his CDs) Oct 05 12:41
schestowitz “Gates, the founder of Microsoft and now the co-chair of the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation, told the General Assembly that the invitation to speak to the delegates was “a sign of partnership” Oct 05 12:41
kentma1 I can’t imagine what Bill Gates could possibly have in common with the Episcopal Church. Oct 05 12:43
schestowitz Oops. I typed UK, not UN. Oct 05 12:45
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twitter I would have thought Gates was a scientologist, but they will “partner” with anyone who gives them money. Oct 05 13:09
twitter thanks for the pointer to official M$ begging in the recent bailout scandal.  I’ve read that the overwhelming majority of callers and emailers were against the bailout. Oct 05 13:23
twitter An old M$ fruad hack is being held up as a failure of “citizen journalism” http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601… Oct 05 13:27
twitter The author in question used to write for Slate and was heavily involved in stock market inflation in the tech bubble. Oct 05 13:27
twitter http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Blodget Oct 05 13:28
twitter The false reports are now under SEC investigation.  http://blogs.zdnet.com/hardware/?p=2689 Oct 05 13:29
schestowitz twitter: the bailout to Microsoft is no problem. It harms the poor ones the most and saves phat cats. Oct 05 13:29
twitter M$ desperately needs those fat cats bailed out. Oct 05 13:30
schestowitz I see “CNN’s Citizen Journalism Goes `Awry’ With False Report on Jobs “. Is Microsoft involved as you suggest (I think not)? Oct 05 13:30
schestowitz Oh. Oct 05 13:30
schestowitz Slate. Oct 05 13:30
schestowitz Slate is Microsoft. Oct 05 13:30
twitter still? Oct 05 13:30
schestowitz I don’t know (or think so) Oct 05 13:31
twitter does not matter, the guy seems like a perfect M$ tool. Oct 05 13:31
schestowitz I read about it recently. It reminds me of Slated.org, but I just knew that Slate had some Microsoft ownership stories behind it. Oct 05 13:31
schestowitz Let me update the post about it then. Oct 05 13:31
twitter http://www.pbs.org/now/politics/wallstreet.html Oct 05 13:31
twitter That’s older fruad that was court proved.  The question is how much M$ guided and benefited from it. Oct 05 13:32
twitter That would be harder to prove. Oct 05 13:33
twitter Hope the new SEC investigation digs into it.  In any case, this is hardly a failure of “citizen journalism” as old media would like to tell us. Oct 05 13:34
schestowitz http://boycottnovell.com/2008/10/04…  I’ll also notify PJ Oct 05 13:36
twitter Cool.  PJ is s shining example of new media. Oct 05 13:37
twitter Blodget is a glaring example of old media failure.  Old media hired a BA.  Wall Street picked him up later.  There he was worked like a tool to inflate the value of what he privately called “shit” stock. His background included nothing technical.  It reminds me of Laura Diddiot. Oct 05 13:38
schestowitz Laura was very technical. Oct 05 13:38
schestowitz http://boycottnovell.com/2008/09/1… Oct 05 13:39
schestowitz ““Didio, got a book out of the Amitiville horror. turned out later it was the family cat looking in the window. And some damp stain on the wall, used to be called distemper, stuff to prevent mold growing, it stains through to the surface,” says a reader of ours. Where does Microsoft find these people, who later slam Microsoft’s competitors [1, 2]?” Oct 05 13:39
schestowitz “Can write, can proofread,  will shill, will travel” Oct 05 13:40
twitter The Motley Fool claims Blodget has been rehabilitated, http://www.fool.com/investing/small-cap/2004/11/… but the fool is also heavily M$ influenced. Oct 05 13:41
twitter Fake stories about Jobs health would indicate otherwise. Oct 05 13:42
schestowitz twitter: Fool is what MSN Oct 05 13:42
schestowitz Fool is, IMHO (see what I wrote here 2 hours ago), just pumping MSFT (the stock). Watch the footers. Oct 05 13:43
twitter The fake stories also fit in perfectly with the recent M$ spin about all tech companies failing in the crunch.  Did M$ do more than hope Apple and Google would fall with them? Oct 05 13:43
schestowitz He could have had a friend sell short, then issue the false report and quickly have the friend make $$ before a clarification is posted. $millions or more can be made this way and then be passed to Blodget. The SEC is a toothless cat, so be sure nothing will come up. Oct 05 13:45
twitter M$ is also using the recent crunch as an excuse for them to miss their quarterly expectations.  “Pay no attention to the Vista failure, it’s the economy.  See our rivals who have products and business models people like are also suffering.”  That line won’t last more than a week. Oct 05 13:47
schestowitz Microsoft’s Latest Product: Zombie XP < http://www.osnews.com/story/20356/Mi… > “Zombie XP ” has actually been out for like 7 years. 40% or so of the Windows PCs out there are zombies. Oct 05 13:48
schestowitz twitter: I don’t think they can control the economy _to that extent_ Oct 05 13:48
schestowitz Regardless, they’ll probably miss expectations or something for the _third_ time in a row. They are declining. Oct 05 13:48
schestowitz From the news, which I shall post to BN later: Microsoft doesn’t matter anymore < http://machinist.salon.com/blog/2008/… > and Has Microsoft lost it? < http://www.techradar.com/news/computin… > Oct 05 13:49
schestowitz Vista fan on the Jobs story: Jobs’ Fake Heart Attack: Playing the Blame Game < http://www.osnews.com/story/20355/Jobs_Fak… > No apparent mention of the probe Oct 05 13:51
twitter They don’t control the economy but they can make stock prices dance through fake stories. Oct 05 13:51
schestowitz You mean like those dozens of stories about Ballmer(R) on the Economy(TM)? Oct 05 13:52
schestowitz I could figure out why they picked him for an ‘oracle’ in so many publications, as though he’s a spokesman for the US ecnomy and Tech. Oct 05 13:52
twitter that tech radar story makes me sick.  “son of toil”?  Give me a break. Oct 05 13:54
twitter The reason so many publications use him as an oracle is that M$ owns so many and spends about a billion per month in advertising. Oct 05 13:55
twitter tech radar gives M$ far too much credit. Oct 05 13:56
twitter it seems obvious that M$ lost “it” years ago if they ever had anything. Oct 05 13:57
schestowitz I think it’s $4 billion in advertising. Either way, they work hard to build the “invincible” perception, making CIOs believe that Microsoft will always be there. That’s just why they are so defensive while attacking anyone who dares to doubt their future, Oct 05 13:59
twitter Like Digg?  from the OS News story, ” Digg and its clones are not reliable news sources. Let me just say that if any of these three are new to you, I’m interested in how you got this far on teh interwebs.” Oct 05 14:00
twitter Breakfast time, pancakes! Oct 05 14:01
schestowitz Let them eat (pan)cakes Oct 05 14:02
twitter Yes, the “invincible M$” myth is the biggest market manipulation of all, the forest through the trees. Oct 05 15:14
twitter pancakes are good Oct 05 15:15
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twitter I just put this on the firehose, http://slashdot.org/~twitter/journal/213683 Oct 05 16:05
twitter does anoyone see it? Oct 05 16:05
twitter If not, I’ll have to submit it the old fashioned way. Oct 05 16:05
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Johnny-Utah Congrats on making Slashdot, Roy: http://news.slashdot.org/article.pl?si… Oct 05 16:11
twitter Let’s see if the old submission page works still…. Oct 05 16:13
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schestowitz I see it alright. Oct 05 16:21
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twitter Is it a journal submission or a regular submission? Oct 05 16:25
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schestowitz I can’t vote for it. Oct 05 16:32
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twitter Interesting.  I put in three or four other journal articles too. Oct 05 16:44
twitter I’ll have to do this every time until the problem is fixed.  Shame, journal submission was so much easier. Oct 05 16:45
twitter Wow, almost none of my links had been submitted before! Oct 05 16:51
twitter This can’t be a problem for just me.  No wonder Slashdot has been so slow to pick up news lately. Oct 05 16:52
twitter Oh man, that caps it off.  I can see my submissions with other accounts and vote on them.  Firehose is hosed… Oct 05 16:55
PetoKraus :D Oct 05 16:55
AVRS2 What made you make the other account? Oct 05 16:56
AVRS2 *s Oct 05 16:56
schestowitz Sounds like sockpuppet. Oct 05 16:58
PetoKraus >.> Oct 05 16:59
twitter modbombing.  I usually have more than two comments a day.  As discussed here and back in 2004 http://slashdot.org/~twitter/journal/74211 Oct 05 17:06
twitter In any case, I can’t keep up with robo modding.  I dropped several accounts worth of nods onto my stories but watched them sink anyway.  My efforts are strictly manual and mostly for probing weaknesses like this. Oct 05 17:08
twitter This story, http://slashdot.org/firehose.pl?op=view… Oct 05 17:09
twitter http://slashdot.org/firehose.pl?op=v… Oct 05 17:09
twitter http://slashdot.org/firehose.pl?op… Oct 05 17:09
twitter http://slashdot.org/firehose.pl?op=… Oct 05 17:10
twitter and http://slashdot.org/firehose.pl?op=… Oct 05 17:10
AVRS2 Are they all “archived”? Oct 05 17:10
twitter were all hosed in seconds.  More disturbing, none of my journal submissions have shown up for months. Oct 05 17:10
twitter I’m afraid that a lot of Slashdot users are being hit with the same problem, that’s why my urls for older stories had not been submitted. Oct 05 17:12
twitter Firehose is still stuffed with stories, many of them spam and trolls. Oct 05 17:13
twitter The trolls are able to vote themselves up, legitimate submissions are voted down and many users are unaware that journal submissions go straight to a black hole. Oct 05 17:15
schestowitz Yes, I hear it’s a mess. Oct 05 17:17
schestowitz You’re not alone as far as noticing that it’s gamed. Oct 05 17:17
schestowitz Digg is equally ruined. Oct 05 17:17
schestowitz I suspect Linux.com and Ars Technica, for example were/are gaming it. Oct 05 17:18
schestowitz A Linux.com ‘puppet’ (for all I could tell) got banned last year. Oct 05 17:18
schestowitz Good riddance. Oct 05 17:18
schestowitz That said, twitter, you fight fire with fire in Firehose. Don’t do that. Complain to the editors instead Oct 05 17:20
twitter I can’t complain very well without proof can I? Oct 05 17:24
twitter Nor do I know how to contact editors. Oct 05 17:24
twitter Putting these things here and in journals is about the best I can do. Oct 05 17:25
schestowitz I can see in Digg which Munchkins (4 of them ATM) systematically mod down everything I add. You can also show that it’s sysmatic if you try. Oct 05 17:26
schestowitz *systematic Oct 05 17:26
twitter Besides, I don’t like to complain about Slashdot itself.  I like to think the editors are aware of real issues like this one. Oct 05 17:27
schestowitz They probably know, but they say nothing. Anyway, I’m off to the gym, back at 8. Oct 05 17:27
twitter later Oct 05 17:27
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twitter All of my submissions are black now, the lowest possible rating and will never be read by anyone. Oct 05 17:43
twitter Shame. Oct 05 17:45
twitter At least they are now put on the hose. Oct 05 17:46
twitter Comments like this http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=… are better rated than my submissions. Oct 05 17:49
twitter That makes Firehose horribly broken. Oct 05 17:49
nenolod so what is the deal with you guys and trolling endlessly about xen anyway Oct 05 17:53
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AVRS schestowitz: the “2″ is just because of falling off the server. Oct 05 18:07
trmanco http://www.linuxjournal.com/cont… Oct 05 18:15
PetoKraus where can i find something on xen-m$ relationship Oct 05 18:24
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aevin what is the two recent posts at boycottnovell.com about this irc channel really about? Oct 05 18:54
PetoKraus i guess it’s log only Oct 05 18:54
aevin are you publishing all the discussions in here on the web, or was it a special occasion only? Oct 05 18:54
PetoKraus all Oct 05 18:55
PetoKraus there was a notice somewhere in /topic Oct 05 18:55
PetoKraus it’s not there anymore though Oct 05 18:55
aevin okay. i hope the logs won’t take the focus away from the news, then. Oct 05 18:55
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*schestowitz has changed the topic to: “Exploring the reality behind exclusionary deals with Microsoft and their subtle (yet severe) implications” [publicly logged] Oct 05 19:16
schestowitz PeterKraus: it got dropped by accident while meddling with the topic before. Oct 05 19:16
schestowitz aevin: I have some news coming about Microsoft. Oct 05 19:17
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trmanco http://www.informationweek.com/blog/mai… Oct 05 21:19
schestowitz Thanks, I’ll add it. Oct 05 21:21
trmanco :-) Oct 05 21:22
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AVRS Is the TIFF file format free? Oct 05 22:05
schestowitz I’m not sure. It’s used a lot in medicine (a field I’m more familiar with because of my research). Have you looked up in the Wiki? Oct 05 22:07
AVRS There is nothing on that. Oct 05 22:08
AVRS Patents at ffii.org mention TIFF a lot, but it probably is only because it is so popular. Oct 05 22:10
schestowitz What are you using this format for? PNG is safe from patents, right? Oct 05 22:29
AVRS www.kremlin.ru permitted the use of its content under CC BY 3.0 Unported; of course, the TIFF stuff was PD already… Oct 05 22:30
PetoKraus i was quite surprised about DIRAC Oct 05 22:30
PetoKraus duh Oct 05 22:30
PetoKraus dicom ;_) Oct 05 22:30
AVRS It has the laws as scans (no text! ;O) in PNG for online viewing and in TIFF “for quality printing” (a scan…). Oct 05 22:30
AVRS Only TIFFs are packed as ZIP archives. Oct 05 22:31
schestowitz PetoKraus: what about it? Oct 05 22:31
PetoKraus well, i thought it’s gonna be closed-source crap, when they handed me the CD with MRI/Xray images Oct 05 22:31
schestowitz My brain: http://schestowitz.com/Research/MR_DICO… [DICOM] Oct 05 22:32
PetoKraus :D Oct 05 22:32
PetoKraus schestowitz: what viewer do you use for them? Oct 05 22:33
schestowitz It’s been years since I last messed about with it.  There are some free programs. Oct 05 22:33
PetoKraus hehe… Oct 05 22:34
PetoKraus imagemagick can read the image data Oct 05 22:34
PetoKraus not the tags, though (or it discards them) Oct 05 22:34
schestowitz ImageMagick is powerful. You can probably script it to do stuff to it. Oct 05 22:34
PetoKraus yes Oct 05 22:35
schestowitz I use it for Web stuff. Oct 05 22:35
PetoKraus though, it’s buggy as well… if you mess up the syntax… Oct 05 22:35
PetoKraus i managed to take down quadcore Xeon 8GB RAM machine with simple imagemagick query Oct 05 22:35
PetoKraus (and forced our admins to implement memlimits) Oct 05 22:36
schestowitz My OOXML mirror brought the server down though: http://schestowitz.com/introduction.htm (see the errors along the bottom where there’s ImageMagicked stuff) Oct 05 22:36
AVRS Most government sites here tell you to use IE. Although some of such parts look (in Firefox) especially bad, it may be that some of them are just obsolete; some parts mention Firefox and Opera or JavaScript. Oct 05 22:39
AVRS Of course, that’s not the Rospatent site. Oct 05 22:39
schestowitz Is there no law in Russian requiring govt’ sites to design for standards and accessibility? To be sure, some US ones (e.g. FEMA) break the rules unpunished. Oct 05 22:45
AVRS I wanted to say I might be wrong, but I am even more wrong: as I said, Rospatent’s site’s list of software is from 2003. Oct 05 22:46
AVRS Never heard of such a law here. Oct 05 22:46
AVRS There are so many laws most people don’t know they exist. Oct 05 22:47
AVRS http://document.kremlin.ru/?DTL=20 – the scans of some major laws. Oct 05 22:48
AVRS Unlike the text/html versions I’ve seen outside of Wikisource, they don’t have “© All rights reserved” on them. Oct 05 22:49
AVRS (which of course hardly would mean they are non-free…) Oct 05 22:49
AVRS But the scans might have fewer errors than the text versions. Oct 05 22:51
schestowitz Can they be OCRed? Oct 05 22:51
*AVRS checks if they are already in Wikisource Oct 05 22:52
AVRS Wikisource cites http://asozd.duma.gov.ru/ as the source for its text copy of Civil Code part IV. Oct 05 22:57
AVRS That URL doesn’t work. Oct 05 22:57
AVRS But the texts are available and potentially comparable in case of errors… Oct 05 22:59
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schestowitz AVRS: most people won’t bother. They visit football and celebs Web sites before they view scans of legal texts. Oct 05 23:20
AVRS schestowitz: right, cancel all the laws, noone reads them! <g> Oct 05 23:21
schestowitz That’s the problem: apathy. Oct 05 23:23
schestowitz Call me cynical, but I think that many of those directions people are taught to become obsessed with are intended to keep their eyes off the corruption at the top. Lack of knowledge (understanding of the regime) is lack of power. Oh, and power corrupts. Absolute power corrupts absolutely. Oct 05 23:24
schestowitz In the same vein, having people live an unhealthy life is a way of ensuring that pension funds and catering for the disabled/very old is a burden not to be dealt with, unlike labour. Smoking, alcohol and fat (fast food and dietary recommendations) come to mind…. Oct 05 23:26
AVRS http://blog.laptopmag.com/msi-wind-coming-to-… Oct 05 23:27
AVRS gn Oct 05 23:30
schestowitz That’s running ballnux Oct 05 23:30
AVRS schestowitz: exactly Oct 05 23:30
schestowitz gn Oct 05 23:30
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  1. Slashdot User said,

    October 6, 2008 at 4:22 am

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    Roy, I was wondering what your view is on this twitter person? You’ve railed endlessly in the past about people who “nymshift” in order to hound you endlessly, and here you are best buddies with the most prolific nymshifter in the ling history of Slashdot.

    For example:

    http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=986049&cid=25268789

    This is another thread from yesterday where he posted with all his accounts, constantly shilling and replying to himself in order to manipulate the Slashdot moderation system:

    http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=985275&cid=25253715

    Everything twitter does is documented here, BTW:

    http://slashdot.org/~willyhill/journal/205317

    I’m curious as to whether or not you feel comfortable being associated with someone like that. Do you really believe his claims that Microsoft is busy gathering up mod points on Slashdot to target him exclusively while hundreds of other people who post negative comments about the company are moderated positively on the same stories?

    Do you honestly believe that Microsoft monitors his home internet connection to figure out his new sockpuppets, as opposed to people just figuring them out by simply noticing that there’s a new account replying to his posts and using the same language and creative spelling as he does?

    I don’t usually agree with everything you post (especially when you stray into conspiracy theories with no factual backing whatsoever), but you sometimes provide interesting insights on some issues. Aren’t you worried that associating with someone like twitter will harm your reputation?

  2. Roy Schestowitz said,

    October 6, 2008 at 4:28 am

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    I only became aware of this some weeks ago when someone showed me the evidence/proof. As you can see above, I’m against that, but I’m not about to personally attack people in the channel.

  3. Dan O'Brian said,

    October 6, 2008 at 9:42 am

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    But you’ll personally attack others over the same thing even when you have no proof?

  4. twitter said,

    October 6, 2008 at 11:43 am

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    That someone who provided proof would be me and it’s never been much of a secret. No one should confuse or equate my investigations and advocacy with the criminal activity of those who crap flood free software forums with libel, lies and other vile material. Roy knows who I am so do the people who run Slashdot. You can check out the IRC logs and Journal to see my reasons for doing these things. I announced my intention to escape M$ targeted mods back in 2004 but only recently bothered. Most of what I’ve done since then has been to test the power and extent of these assholes. Their ability to identify and destroy accounts is remarkable to say the least. The more they flex their power the more obvious they are. They do these things for profit, M$ and cruelty. My work, in contrast has been honest and fair.

    Right now, I’m close to the limit of what an independent individual can do and you can see that it’s no match for what people who do it professionally have. I have not resorted to TORR yet which could escape me from obvious monitoring. Every account I’ve created has been identified within one or two posts and then censored by negative moderation. Every comment made is followed by several personal smears. Submitted stories are also eliminated quickly. I will not bother to do much more than this because it has proved my point.

    Don’t let “positive moderation” of comments critical to M$ fool you. These can be raising issues in a confused way. They can also be troll accounts collecting mod points to be used against people they don’t like. They call it “karma farming.” Slashdot is heavily censored using techniques like this and there’s not much anyone can do about it. The ultimate measure of Slashdot’s ability to cover the news is the growing similarity of the front page to any other Wintel rag and the obvious difference in content between that front page and sites like BN, FSF, Groklaw etc.

    The ultimate damage is the attack on the community that ESR predicted from Halloween documents but it’s a losing battle for M$. Normal people no longer bother with comments at Slashdot. They are mostly unreliable and participation is unpleasant. M$ does this to any community they don’t like. It will force people to smaller, better regulated communities like BN. Free software allows anyone to set up such a site. M$ can win battles but it will lose the war against software freedom.

    The enabler of professional attack is the easy poor security of M$’s pathetic OS. Anyone looking to manipulate Slashdot for profit will be using a botnet for their dirty work. M$’s complete lack of security provides even the most technically incompetent ass a platform for this and other kinds of fraud.

    Knowledge is the cure. My activities have shown me and everyone else a little more about how the world works. I’ve never lied about anything in my advocacy and investigation. I’m not ashamed of my work and no one else should be either, least of all Roy with his excellent news site.

  5. Roy Schestowitz said,

    October 6, 2008 at 12:05 pm

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    Don’t let “positive moderation” of comments critical to M$ fool you. These can be raising issues in a confused way. They can also be troll accounts collecting mod points to be used against people they don’t like. They call it “karma farming.”

    I’ve noticed that too in Slashdot. Other than the personal (and libelous) attacks against me over there, I often spot Microsoft propaganda disguised as humour. One memorable first comment was from a fake account (miguel_deicaza, IIRC) saying “The European Commission is foolish. MSOOXML.NET is the future.” This was modded up sharply and the context in which it was presented made it very damaging.

    You can find a lot more material in this Web site (with semi-scientific proof) that discusses Slashdot’s subversion. Anything else would be repeating old stories.

  6. Slashdot User said,

    October 6, 2008 at 1:09 pm

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    @Roy,

    I’m not going to bother replying to twitter’s rambling post. No reasonable person would ever fall for the argument that Microsoft is targeting him personally on Slashdot. You perhaps, due to your high visibility, but a random Slashdot user with a journal read by three people? Unlikely at best.

    It seems twitter has to fall back on being forced to blame his shortcomings on vague external factors that are completely impossible to prove or disprove. Framing his self-professed “battle” in the context of whatever harm Microsoft may or may not inflict on the Free Software community is quite frankly, ridiculous. At worst it’s insulting to people who actually perform valuable work to advance GNU/Linux and other free software. And claiming that he “intended” to create 20 accounts back in 2004 to have make-pretend conversations is irrelevant. Announcing his intentions to shoot the neighbor’s dog and doing it two years later does not make shooting the dog any less of a crime.

    A cursory glance at the article that contains the thread I linked to reveals a good two-dozen highly moderated posts that are critical of Microsoft (perhaps rightly so). A cursory glance at any Microsoft-related discussion on Slashdot confirms that pattern, though it’s hard to believe anyone has to actually point it out. The only constant seems to be twitter’s many accounts being modded down. Knowing a bit about how Slashdot works from having gone over the Perl source code, I’m pretty sure that’s not the work of three or four disgruntled individuals but rather the community simply rejecting him for trying to disrupt discussions that way. More to the point, I fail to find a single other Slashdot user who finds him/herself in that same situation, critical of Microsoft or not, although I admit I’m fairly new to the site and that could have happened before in the past.

    Again, perhaps twitter can shed light on how this: http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=986049&cid=25269343 is somehow justified or how it helps to promote free software. Or any of the conversations linked to in the “Shill Threads” section of this journal: http://slashdot.org/~willyhill/journal/205317

    Or maybe he can justify calling people “dumb fucks” when all they do is point out that he’s gaming the moderation system: http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=985275&cid=25254195

    Even assuming for a second that he creates accounts to be able to post because the others are moderated down enough that they become basically invisible to most readers does not justify repeatedly shilling his own comments and pretending there are lots of people who agree with him.

    My intention in posting this was really to question the wisdom of being associated with someone like twitter, not to get into a tiffy with him. I have no more desire to disrupt your website than I want to read what he posts on Slashdot.

    By the way, it’s fitting you mention the “Miguel De Icaza” troll account on Slashdot. Pretty much everyone knows that’s an impostor, since the real Miguel de Icaza posts under a different account. No one seems to take him seriously other than to mod him as “funny” when he posts some silly comment about OOXML. The rest of the time he just posts at -1 (the lowest level), where he is permanently relegated for trolling. Guess who else is in that same situation, except with 14 accounts? I think I rest my case.

    Anyway, I’ve said enough on this… internet drama and all that. Keep up the excellent work… just cut down a bit on the conspiracy theories :-)

  7. Roy Schestowitz said,

    October 6, 2008 at 1:21 pm

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    I usually have more references than I have time to include (trust me, I have many thousands stored in a sort of database). If you believe that a statement lacks sufficient proof, please say something so that I can defend my claim. It’s natural for a person — any person — to assume others posses some certain knowledge, but this assumption makes convincing allegations seem iffy or suspicious to others who haven’t that same knowledge. It’s a gut feeling that tells the writer what some reader knows and doesn’t know and readers vary. Without the writer being informed of a gap, there’s never a chance/opportunity to improve or fill that gap. It’s also an important skills to have when presenting research, or else the audience is lost early on and never regains a train of thought. Another issue that I often have is readership that was not here since day 1 (we have over 4,000 posts), so things we don’t bother to repeat over and over again are entirely missed, which is why I started to cross-reference very heavily (backwards and forward). Some people suggetsed that we create extensive static pages that summarise, but it’s not simple.

  8. Slashdot User said,

    October 6, 2008 at 1:31 pm

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    @Roy,

    I understand. Bear in mind this is just my humble opinion here, but look at it this way. You post three articles worth of information backed up by factual references. Then you post one that seems to insinuate X or Y and really doesn’t offer any proof whatsoever. That does not automatically discredit the first three articles, but it does sort of cheapen them, or maybe diminishes their impact. People can (and I’m sure have at some point) then say “oooh look, Roy posted this and that, he’s making stuff up” and that sort of muddles the value of the other material.

    Looking through my RSS feed I see one that could be construed that way, where you mention the current financial meltdown and then segue into a discussion of Microsoft patents, implying that somehow that has caused or has anything to do with said meltdown.

    Again, that’s just my humble opinion and my perception of your work. It may be that the majority of your readers see it differently.

    Cheers.

  9. twitter said,

    October 6, 2008 at 10:43 pm

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    Thanks Slashdot User. You have failed to create significant problems and are now rambling. It was nice to have a place to answer your brand of bullshit where you won’t be able to crap flood and moderate me out. Slashdot will survive you, this site is growing, M$ is dying and you are a dirt bag regardless.

    This conversation has helped me sharpen up my Troll Zoo journal. I wonder how many of those accounts are yours. The journal now contains quotes from Bruce Perens, ESR and will soon have some from PJ about M$’s general attack on free software advocates. The more you dumb fucks spar with me, the better these things get.

    It’s interesting how much time and energy your employers devote to harassing me personally and I’ll be happy when you are out of work. As you mention, I’m a small fry. Yet you and people like you chase me wherever I go. Ostracism is a tool Bill Gates has always used (1978):

    [Those who do not pay tribute to me and my stolen works] They are the ones who give hobbyists a bad name, and should be kicked out of any club meeting they show up at.

    Divide and conquer, eh? It must cost M$ a pretty penny to follow every little small fry around and it’s not working. As M$ goes into debt, I expect to see a lot less of scum like you.

  10. Roy Schestowitz said,

    October 7, 2008 at 2:16 am

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    I’m still struggling to find who is who because of all these symbolic names and lack of disclosure.

    Perens:

    “Well, Blakeley, just about every PR firm offers to help “manage the perception of your company in online communities” these days. What do you think that means? Astroturfing Slashdot, Youtube, etc. In my various manangement positions it’s been offered to me. Indeed, some of the companies offer to create negative publicity for your competition that way – HP had a publicity firm for its Linux activities that told us it would do that when we wanted. I never asked them to do so and hope nobody else did either.

    “This stuff is just standard these days. You’ve got to expect it.”

    http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=985543&cid=25267133

    “I think mostly they’d like to dilute “Open Source” to mean any code with source code. This is important to them because it’s the rights connected to Open Source that scare Microsoft (and others). If you can call it Open Source when there isn’t even the right to compile the code, or to use the information you get from reading it, customers don’t have a reason to ask for it any longer.

    “Their publicity agencies are here on Slashdot pumping that angle every day.”

    http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=985543&cid=25256649

  11. laptopreviews said,

    October 29, 2008 at 12:58 am

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    i think it,s a great post.

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