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IRC: #boycottnovell @ FreeNode: October 22nd, 2008 – Part 1

Posted in IRC Logs at 4:05 am by Dr. Roy Schestowitz


Enter the IRC channel now

MinceR gn Oct 22 00:09
twitter What’s wrong with referring to distributions as GNU/Linux? Oct 22 00:38
twitter and Linux as the kernel? Oct 22 00:38
twitter You can, after all, get GNU/Solaris and GNU/Hurd Oct 22 00:39
twitter I was looking at your Criminal Inside, Intel article.  Here’s something interesting and sneaky they are up to:  http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/udi.html Oct 22 00:40
twitter I loved this quote:  ” How does a rich and self-seeking company approach a cooperating community?  By asking for a handout, of course” Oct 22 00:41
twitter Then, of course, there’s the whole OLPC sabotage thing. Oct 22 00:42
twitter Or the “Linux compiler” that worked so much better with with Windows.  http://gcc.gnu.org/ml/gcc/2002-01/msg01748.html Oct 22 00:42
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twitter :) thread too long to search easily.  That’s what Google’s for. Oct 22 00:44
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yuhong In the long term, I think almost all word processors will support both OOXML and ODF. Oct 22 03:33
yuhong OpenOffice 3.0, for example, supports OOXML. Oct 22 03:33
yuhong And future versions of Microsoft Office will support ODF. Oct 22 03:33
tessier http://www.javaworld.com/communit… <- not looking so good for Sun, or their faux-free software/open source Java Oct 22 06:00
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MinceR j0 Oct 22 06:44
schestowitz tessier: why do you consider Java not FOSS? Oct 22 07:10
schestowitz Heh. Oct 22 07:18
schestowitz Pirates scoff at Microsoft’s anti-piracy day < http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquirer/n… > Oct 22 07:18
schestowitz Yahoo! axes! (at least)! 1,400! workers! < http://www.theregister.co.uk/20… > “Yahoo! profits plummeted 64 per cent in its latest fiscal quarter – yes, 64 per cent – and the company says it will jettison at least 10 per cent of its workforce by the end of the year.” Bang&Olufsen slices 300 jobs < http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/10/21… > Oct 22 07:24
schestowitz http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/10/21/s… “We consumers are cracking. We don’t trust the banks. The banks aren’t lending to businesses. The businesses are firing workers and buying less. So we consumers are spending less. It’s a mess. The economy is in an almost certain recession and storage sales could head south.” Oct 22 07:24
schestowitz No word on the economy from Captain Beranger, though. Oct 22 07:25
schestowitz Look what happened since Bush was elected: “A U.S. study in a December 2008 released article within the American Journal of Preventive Medicine shows that the rate of suicides in the United States has increased, on average, 0.7% per year between the years of 1999 and 2005. [Scientific American: “Suicide Uptick: U.S. Rate Climbing”]“ Oct 22 07:27
schestowitz “[...] However, according to the new study, the overall U.S. rate for suicides went from 10.5 suicides per 100,000 persons, in 1999, to 11.0 per 100,000 persons, in 2005, an increase of about 0.7% per year, on average, and just under 5% for the six-year frame of time.” Oct 22 07:27
schestowitz http://www.itwire.com/content/vi… Good job, Mr. Bush. Oct 22 07:28
schestowitz Police Round Up Murderous Motorcycle Gang, and Their Intellectual Property! < http://technocrat.net/d/2008/10/21/52421 > All bow to the almighty “Intellectual Property”. Oct 22 07:30
schestowitz Wall Street’s ‘Disaster Capitalism for Dummies’ < http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/1… > Oct 22 07:32
schestowitz Yes, we’re dummies. You. Me. All 300 million of us. Clueless. We should be ashamed. We’re obsessed about the slogans and rituals of “democracy,” distracted by the campaign, polls, debates, rhetoric, half-truths and outright lies. McCain? Obama? Sorry to pop your bubble folks, but it no longer matters who’s president.” Oct 22 07:32
schestowitz http://technocrat.net/d/2008/10/21/52373 “Sorry to take the preview from the article, but yes, CBS Market Watch is apparently giving in to the concept of  Disaster Capitalism, the idea that artificial disasters on Wall Street are being used to subvert democracy.” Oct 22 07:32
schestowitz “And with every disaster, the bankers and the stock brokers come out richer and the American taxpayer comes out paying for their  big bonuses instead of  redeploying the bailout to stabilize the industry.” Biggest corruption yet of the 21st century? Oct 22 07:33
schestowitz http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/200… “Poor Yahoo.  As we all know, the company’s facing quite a few problems – a shrinking stock price, a skeptical Department of Justice, and so on – and now it’s been made the defendant in a trademark infringement case filed by American Airlines.” Oct 22 07:35
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schestowitz DOJ and patents: http://www.pcworld.com/article/152571/… “The U.S. Department of Justice won’t oppose an agreement by seven companies to jointly license patents related to RFID (radio frequency identification) technology, potentially clearing the way for greater deployment of RFID standards.” Oct 22 07:44
schestowitz http://www.pcworld.com/article/1525… “With the economy in trouble, job security has become a major fear for many people. As a result, the need to be in contact with your workplace 24/7 has led to a growing trend of e-mail addiction, according to a report conducted by Osterman Research (PDF) for the IT data recovery firm Neverfail.” Oct 22 07:46
schestowitz TI too: “”Our outlook for the fourth quarter is for revenue to decline substantially based on weak order trends over the past few months,” said Rich Templeton, TI chairman, president and chief executive. ” < http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/7681325.stm > China poised to benefit here. Oct 22 07:53
schestowitz Don’t have security nightmares < http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/7681784.stm >… or “why not to rely on proprietary software” Oct 22 07:54
schestowitz potentially Good for GNU/Linux:  “Sun is not helped by the fact that many of its best customers for its profitable high-end servers are in the bankrupt Wall Street investment bank sector, though of course Sun’s profits weren’t exactly going like gangbusters before the meltdown went into full swing.” < http://www.javaworld.com/community/?q=node/1595 > Oct 22 07:56
schestowitz AAI Calls for Government Review of Emergency Mergers to Include Competition Concerns < http://www.antitrustinstitute.org/Archi… > Oct 22 08:00
twitter Disaster capitalism.  I’m starting to believe more in that.  Look at Iceland to see the next IMF screw over. Oct 22 08:09
twitter Here’s something a little lighter, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k2JJZMhFaG0 Oct 22 08:09
schestowitz Iceland is scary environment right now Oct 22 08:10
twitter and some good news, Gnash in Lenny does YouTube flash. Oct 22 08:10
schestowitz My dad was raving about their economy years ago. Oct 22 08:10
twitter Move than 50 Vista sucks videos, some very funny.  http://slashdot.org/~twitter/journal/215115 Oct 22 08:11
twitter Iceland was doing some good things with healthcare Oct 22 08:11
schestowitz was? Oct 22 08:12
twitter IMF won’t even let states pay for public school. Oct 22 08:13
schestowitz This video will be added to the next “eye on ms” post Oct 22 08:14
twitter :) Oct 22 08:14
twitter It’s an amazing outburst. Oct 22 08:14
schestowitz 2:00 in… *LOL Oct 22 08:15
twitter Here’s a more local version of the Iceland story.  http://www.forbes.com/opinions/2008/10/16/br… Oct 22 08:16
twitter I don’t really trust Forbes, so reality may be even worse. Oct 22 08:16
schestowitz Forbes can’t be trusted Oct 22 08:17
schestowitz Dan Lyons did his RMS attacks from there, for instance. Oct 22 08:17
twitter Right.  I only point to it because they interviewed what looks like a reputable local who complains about some things I have verified through a friend in Iceland. Oct 22 08:18
schestowitz They can put their diapers on, but can’t figure out that they lead to a collapse. Why? Greed. Bonuses. Let the others suffer.. stop thinking about tomorrow. Oct 22 08:19
twitter Specifically, Brown’s use of anti-terrorism laws to seize Iceland’s assets – an action that really hosed Iceland. Oct 22 08:19
schestowitz Now they’ll just use inflation as a tax… the rich bastards have already stashed this money that they stole from those whom they screwed. Oct 22 08:20
twitter Inflation in Iceland, deflation elsewhere. Oct 22 08:21
schestowitz W T F ? ? ? “On Oct. 8, the U.K. government took action to freeze the assets of Icelandic companies, citing the U.K. Anti-Terror Law. Among them was Kaupthing, and its online banking operation, which was taken over in what looks like an act of revenge in the confusion created in the wake of the collapse of Landsbanki.” Oct 22 08:21
twitter That was confirmed. Oct 22 08:21
schestowitz So now economics and terror are the same thing? Oct 22 08:21
schestowitz Heck. Use DMCA to ‘fight’ dissidents too… Oct 22 08:21
schestowitz Or truth fighters… like the criminals from Baer Bank and Wikileaks. Oct 22 08:22
twitter You don’t think the US invaded Iraq to fight terrorism, do you? Oct 22 08:22
schestowitz They saw massive corruption just about 8 months ago… if only they could expose this sub-prime thing and present inside knowledge that got suppressed. Oct 22 08:23
twitter Is it surprising that the same tactics would be employed against Iceland? Oct 22 08:23
schestowitz twitter: I think it was a combination of many reasons. Oct 22 08:23
schestowitz Iceland has WoMD. Oct 22 08:23
schestowitz They just haven’t found them yet. ;-) Oct 22 08:23
twitter Easy target, no military. Oct 22 08:24
schestowitz How it /should/ be. Oct 22 08:24
schestowitz I bet Clown and his cronies at Bilderberg Club will be having a good laugh about it at the next secret meeting (where will it be? Will Melinda Gates attend again?) Oct 22 08:25
schestowitz “This was to have been priced at £279, with the XP version costing £329. There is now only an XP option, priced at £299.” http://community.zdnet.co.uk/blo… Oct 22 08:27
schestowitz Sounds like Microsoft is pressuring vendors again using discounts/dumping. Oct 22 08:28
twitter I wonder if Iceland has oil not mentioned here http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi… Oct 22 08:33
twitter looking at zdnet link Oct 22 08:34
schestowitz North seas have plenty of oil left. Oct 22 08:34
schestowitz But that’s probably not related. Anyway, to suggest Clown is responsible is probably a stretch. It’s an op-ed more of less. Oct 22 08:35
twitter We shall see as the island is plundered. Oct 22 08:36
twitter It’s hard to tell how much of the current crisis is manufactured or how bad it will get. Oct 22 08:36
twitter These things have a life of their own once started. Oct 22 08:36
twitter The ZDNet article is clueless, as usual.  This jumped out at me, ” This makes sense. As referenced in the above link, SUSE Linux was a massive fail on the Apricot PicoBook Pro. In its natural state, the OS was too unintuitive for the netbook.” Oct 22 08:37
schestowitz manufactured? Oct 22 08:37
twitter Yes. Oct 22 08:38
schestowitz That would suggest it’s an excuse for taxing people, but I very much doubt it. Oct 22 08:38
schestowitz Someone would blow the whistle on that one if it was potentially true. Any URL? Oct 22 08:38
schestowitz twitter: regarding ZDNet, the guy who wrote this is a SUSE user. He’s no enemy of GNU/Linux, so I take his word. Oct 22 08:39
twitter An IMF whistle blower did emerge, don’t have the URL, read it in Stallman’s political notes.  predicted crash for the wealthy to consolidate their positions. Oct 22 08:39
twitter Oh come on, XP does not make sense on a “netbook” Oct 22 08:39
schestowitz I wrote some weeks ago about SLED’s bad fit for low-end devices. You can’t just slap a desktop O/S on a low-end S*itel chip Oct 22 08:40
twitter Xandros did. Oct 22 08:40
schestowitz Found this 3 minutes ago: Oct 22 08:40
schestowitz “I love my little Asus Eee 900 netbook. It’s been doing quite well in the world market for notebook computers, and there are more on the way. Mine came with Xandros’ really scaled down Linux software, but I loaded Ubuntu-eee instead for a much fuller experience. It’s great in tight seating on planes.” http://members.whattheythink.com/allsear… Oct 22 08:40
twitter I can imagine that. Oct 22 08:41
schestowitz Linpus too should be good. People don’t manage OpenGL games and 16 virtual desktops on sub-notebooks. The O/S needs to fit the hardware. Oct 22 08:41
twitter EEEpc has Intel graphics and working 3D accel. Oct 22 08:42
schestowitz Just as you didn’t have 3D-accelerated GUIs about 10 years ago, although this was possible. Oct 22 08:42
twitter you can play openGL games on it. Oct 22 08:42
schestowitz twitter: battery hog Oct 22 08:42
twitter such is life. Oct 22 08:42
twitter I got my daughter one of the first EEE PCs.  She runs it stock and I’ve left it alone. Oct 22 08:43
schestowitz Found now: “et autres frivolités propres aux passionnés. Que le mot ligne de commande n’effraie personne, le système embarqué, actuellement en cours de peaufinage, devrait être à l’image de la version de Xandros sur les Eee PC, simplifié et convivial.” < http://www.01net.com/fiche-produit… > Oct 22 08:43
schestowitz New review: Hands-On With ASUS Premium Eee PC S101 < http://blog.laptopmag.com/hands-on-… > Oct 22 08:44
schestowitz ASUS says it’s “Closely tied up with Microsoft”, so it hardly seems to be working on Linux as much as it used to. Oct 22 08:45
twitter The 700 series were simple and easy.  Their new ties with M$ will be bad news for them. Oct 22 08:46
twitter Xandros has also been tied up. Oct 22 08:46
twitter They have gone about 2 years without a new release. Oct 22 08:47
schestowitz I wonder how they make money. Oct 22 08:48
schestowitz They sell Scalix servers. Oct 22 08:48
twitter EEEPC was a big hit. Oct 22 08:48
schestowitz “Munich, Germany October, 2008 Xandros, the leader in making Linux and Windows work together, today announced that key staff will showcase the latest Scalix email, calendaring and messaging solutions at Systems 2008 in Munich, Germany, October 21-24. Systems is the leading business-to-business trade show for IT, media and communications in Germany” .http://www.pr-inside.com/xandros-to-sh… Oct 22 08:48
twitter They had a lot of users too. Oct 22 08:48
schestowitz “Xandros and Scalix, two Linux technology companies with research operations in Ottawa, are rolling out the Scalix e-mail and scheduling software feature in Japan. Scalix said it has more than 1,000 corporate customers.” http://www.canada.com/ottawacitizen/ne… Oct 22 08:48
schestowitz No, but Xandros isn’t necessarily paid for the Eee PC stuff. Oct 22 08:49
twitter Then came the M$ deal.  I wonder how much cash they got out of it. Oct 22 08:49
schestowitz Those secretive weasels won’t say how it works. Oct 22 08:49
schestowitz The CEO refused when asked to comment on how ASUS’ fork of Xandros works. Oct 22 08:49
twitter People say Xandros is not paid for EEEPC.  That sounds crazy. Oct 22 08:49
schestowitz Xandros CEO’s reply: “It’s complicate” [next question, please]. Oct 22 08:50
schestowitz I was talking to one of the chiefs from there. Oct 22 08:50
schestowitz He said that Xandos was not paid by ASUS for those Eee PCs. Oct 22 08:50
twitter Surely they earned something from it all? Oct 22 08:50
schestowitz Does the Eee PC  come with Microsoft codecs and all? Oct 22 08:51
schestowitz twitter: just brand power, that’s what I always assumed. Oct 22 08:51
MinceR it would be nice to have this info on all ballnux-loaded computers Oct 22 08:51
MinceR do you know about others? Oct 22 08:51
schestowitz MinceR: in the site? Oct 22 08:51
schestowitz Linspire is, well.. dead. Oct 22 08:51
twitter Not sure about codecs. Oct 22 08:51
MinceR well, that would be ideal Oct 22 08:51
schestowitz Turbolinux I’m not sure about.. all the coverage about it is in Chinese or japanese. Oct 22 08:51
twitter It did not work with some MPEG2 files my all in wonder card created. Oct 22 08:52
schestowitz Dellbuntu is infected. Oct 22 08:52
schestowitz Microsoft tax Oct 22 08:52
schestowitz Ironically, Eee PC might be more ‘pure’ than those Dell PCs with Shuttlebunu Oct 22 08:52
twitter Overall, debian seems to do better Oct 22 08:52
MinceR schestowitz: indeed. Oct 22 08:52
twitter I often go get the “essential codecs” which are free but DMCA distribution prohibited in the US. Oct 22 08:54
schestowitz The kids at UF are now whining for Moonlight… they just don’t understand freedom and some say they might be MS boosters. Oct 22 08:54
schestowitz Posing as Ubuntu users (well, maybe they tinkered with it) Oct 22 08:54
schestowitz DMCA is an unlawful law. It’s bought, not ratified. Oct 22 08:54
twitter UF are filled with trolls Oct 22 08:55
schestowitz http://boycottnovell.com/2008/08/2… Oct 22 08:56
twitter well, it is late here.  I’m going to bed.  Night night. Oct 22 08:56
twitter 4AM, that’s very late for me. Oct 22 08:56
schestowitz http://news.cnet.com/8301-13924_3-10072456-64…. “Samsung on Tuesday withdrew its $5.85 billion bid for SanDisk, citing an increasing “risk profile.”” Oct 22 09:00
schestowitz Yahoo earnings: It could be worse < http://news.cnet.com/8301-1023_3-1007204… >; Yahoo bets on a glass half full <  http://news.cnet.com/8301-1023_3-10072194-93.html?p… Oct 22 09:01
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schestowitz Interesting numbers: http://www.linuxpromagazine.com/online/news/linu… “Morvay revealed to Linux Magazine Online that there were no specific figures for Linux netbook sales, but that it lay somewhere in the 40th percentile. Even though this figure seems a little high, it is known that many of the world’s netbooks have Linux on board since their first inception 18 months ago.” Oct 22 09:33
schestowitz “For example, notebooks with Linux make up about 5.5% of the notebook market in Germany…” Oct 22 09:33
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schestowitz About: http://www.microsoft.com/web/channel/product… someone just mailed me to say “About Microsoft co-opting FOSS… I tried downloading and installing on my virtual WinXP for a test drive. Only works with Vista and Windows Server 2008.” Oct 22 10:04
schestowitz Another abusive monopolist looking for free labour:  http://www.linuxworld.com.au/index.p… Oct 22 10:07
schestowitz Well, well… “Optimized decompression using annotated back buffer, patent No. 7,439,882, invented by Michael Meeks of Newmarket, U.K., assigned to Novell Inc. of Provo. ” < http://www.sltrib.com/business/ci_10780366 > Oct 22 10:15
schestowitz Can’t ind it..  yet. http://www.google.com/patents?q=+Optimized+deco… Oct 22 10:16
schestowitz http://www.faqs.org/patents/app/20080246636 Oct 22 10:17
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schestowitz Novell employees sound more like Microsoft employees every day: http://blogs.zdnet.com/community/?p=121 ( Google: Evil or just overworked? ). This Novell employee also slammed Apple earlier, but not Microsoft. Never. Oct 22 10:37
fumanchu2175 I was reading the comments from JoseX about how he believes Microsoft will eventually lose market share and go bankrupt and how that could be a good thing.  I might even agree with that statement.  Wouldn’t the loss of Microsoft be a problem for Samba since there would be little need for CIFS or SMB if everyone were using a Linux variant? Oct 22 10:40
schestowitz They do other protocols, I think. Oct 22 10:41
schestowitz It’s like saying that if binary .doc die out, then OpenOffice.org is obsolete. Oct 22 10:41
schestowitz Two years ago Microsoft hardly mentioned patents. Its current obsession with patent means that it’s no longer able to rely on revenue from products (not for long because margins fall). Oct 22 10:42
schestowitz For the record, here is this Novell senior painting Apple — not Microsoft — as the bad guy (Novell employees get their wages from Microsoft now, so…): Apple knows best? Don’t you believe it! < http://blogs.zdnet.com/community/?p=120 > Oct 22 10:44
fumanchu2175 Ok.  I looked at samba.org and it only mentions smb/cifs.  I think ooo is different since it uses ODF as its standard.  If .doc were to die ooo would be even more valuable as an office suite. Oct 22 10:44
fumanchu2175 lol.  Novell made a huge mistake I think, Oct 22 10:46
schestowitz fumanchu2175: good to know. I don’t use Samba myself (never really did). Either way, Microsoft Windows legacy is here to stick for a while no matter what.. like UNIX, SCO UNIX, Netware, Mac OS 9… Oct 22 10:47
fumanchu2175 What could Novell do now to make it right? Oct 22 10:47
schestowitz Not much. TBH, “just drop dead” is the answer, I think. :-( Oct 22 10:48
fumanchu2175 schestowitz: LOL but that’s not going to happen. Oct 22 10:49
fumanchu2175 Good job on the site btw.  I read it everyday. Oct 22 10:50
schestowitz Hmmm..the Paul Murphy troll chose the headline “Desktop Unix: MacOS X and “Sousa Linicks” … then 9 minutes later he changed the headline to “Desktop Unix: MacOS X and SUSE Linux” Oct 22 10:50
schestowitz Why did he regret the headline (or did the editor change it)? Oct 22 10:50
fumanchu2175 good question. Oct 22 10:50
schestowitz fumanchu2175: thanks. Oct 22 10:50
schestowitz I can see the headline change in my feed. Oct 22 10:51
schestowitz Desktop Unix: MacOS X and “Sousa Linicks” – ZDNet : 10/21/2008 07:19 AM Oct 22 10:51
fumanchu2175 Probably an editor Oct 22 10:51
schestowitz Desktop Unix: MacOS X and SUSE Linux (ZDNet) : 10/21/2008 07:28 AM Oct 22 10:51
schestowitz It’s very annoying when editors change headlines. Oct 22 10:52
fumanchu2175 They take all the fun out of it. Oct 22 10:52
schestowitz I had an editor do this to me in order to provoke readers with fear… and it reflects badly on the writer. Oct 22 10:52
fumanchu2175 Yes it does especially when they do it to provoke fear. Oct 22 10:53
fumanchu2175 Schestowitz: gtg and get ready for work. Oct 22 10:53
fumanchu2175 keep up the good work. Oct 22 10:53
schestowitz See you later Oct 22 10:54
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harrytuttle . Oct 22 12:31
schestowitz Hey there. Oct 22 12:32
harrytuttle hey roy Oct 22 12:32
harrytuttle just tested out things here Oct 22 12:32
schestowitz What’s up? Oct 22 12:32
harrytuttle slow work day Oct 22 12:32
harrytuttle :-) Oct 22 12:32
schestowitz Well, some people don’t have work, so.. Oct 22 12:33
harrytuttle right Oct 22 12:33
harrytuttle just read the last few irc-logs to keep up Oct 22 12:33
schestowitz This one is funny: http://www.beranger.org/index.ph… Oct 22 12:34
schestowitz Funny in a sick sense though. Oct 22 12:34
harrytuttle yep, i like some twisted humor when it hits the nail Oct 22 12:35
harrytuttle so relative quiet that part of the day? Oct 22 12:36
schestowitz In the news it’s pretty busy. Oct 22 12:38
schestowitz I used to think that with the death of ‘old media’ (IDG and all)… it must move online, but can’t pay writers this way… well, I imagined that volume of news would decline. Oct 22 12:39
schestowitz Also, as the guy above shrewdly said (Beranger), all our sophisticated technology was supposed to make life easier, yet we are getting more and more stressed all the time. Oct 22 12:40
harrytuttle well, what shocked me today was the EU thinks of deploying more and more of these: Oct 22 12:43
harrytuttle http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jyi-BbKI8gE Oct 22 12:43
harrytuttle it really sickens me Oct 22 12:43
harrytuttle as it nowhere improves security Oct 22 12:43
harrytuttle I personally think it is to reduce resistance (mentally and emotionally) to prepare the people to accept even more humiliation and total control Oct 22 12:45
*schestowitz looks (maybe “job security”) Oct 22 12:45
schestowitz I saw these before. Oct 22 12:45
harrytuttle it takes away the dignity and really makes you feel low self-esteem Oct 22 12:45
schestowitz But not everyone is scanned with these. Besides, does it not cause cancer? Oct 22 12:46
harrytuttle “The TSA also claims the machine emits 10,000 times less energy than a cell phone transmission.” Oct 22 12:46
harrytuttle they ought not be trusted though Oct 22 12:46
schestowitz Sounds queer to me. Oct 22 12:46
schestowitz I was scanned for a friend’s experiment. Oct 22 12:46
schestowitz These things are electricity Hoovers. Oct 22 12:47
harrytuttle but the thing is, that in an article today, they publicly claimed to let big airports decide if they want to make use of it and install it Oct 22 12:47
schestowitz TSA, 2015:  http://www.martinfrost.ws/html… Oct 22 12:48
harrytuttle http://www.sueddeutsche.de/,ra17m1… Oct 22 12:49
harrytuttle this is the german news Oct 22 12:49
schestowitz First airplanes, not trains. Oct 22 12:50
schestowitz I can’t find it… http://www.google.com/search?num=50&hl=en… Oct 22 12:51
schestowitz It’s about ban on liquids in some trains Oct 22 12:51
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_Doug ASUS return rates similar for XP and Linux .. Oct 22 13:03
_Doug http://blog.laptopmag.com/asus-ceo-reve… Oct 22 13:03
schestowitz :-) Oct 22 13:04
*schestowitz tries to find the money quote Oct 22 13:04
schestowitz _Doug: I’m doing a post about it right now. Oct 22 13:04
_Doug hoo kay .. Oct 22 13:05
schestowitz Where does it talk about returns? Oct 22 13:05
schestowitz Oct 22 13:05
schestowitz I think the return rate for the Eee PCs are low but I believe the Linux and Windows have similar return rates. We really separate the products into different user groups. A lot of users like the Windows XP, but in Europe a lot of people want the Linux option. Actually in Linux we support the Easy Mode and in Q4 of this year we are going to start selling Windows XP with an Easy Mode.” Oct 22 13:05
harrytuttle well this is also priceless: Oct 22 13:06
harrytuttle Seems very cool. Seems like something that could help with Vista. Do you think its something you could put on Vista?” Oct 22 13:06
harrytuttle I think we could, but we don’t plan on putting Vista on any of the Eee PCs. I think in the future in the second half of next year we will put Windows 7 on Eee PCs. For now it will be Linux and XP and then Windows 7 and not do Vista. Oct 22 13:06
harrytuttle They wait for Windows 7, i guess they will be in for a big surprise… (Vista II) Oct 22 13:07
schestowitz It will be delayed forever. Oct 22 13:07
schestowitz He’s clinging onto vapourware, which even Ballmer said “is Vista… just…” Oct 22 13:07
harrytuttle We should try to coin it Vista 7 Oct 22 13:07
MinceR :) Oct 22 13:08
harrytuttle That way, the people get confused and the brand diluted Oct 22 13:08
harrytuttle like MS always does like OOXML Oct 22 13:08
_Doug please wait for Windows 7 and don’t by any of that socalist Linux stuff :) Oct 22 13:08
harrytuttle OfficeOpen as to relate and mix it to sound like OpenOffice Oct 22 13:08
MinceR there’s socialist linux stuff? Oct 22 13:08
harrytuttle yeah, wait for Vista 7, er Windows Vista SP2 Oct 22 13:09
schestowitz harrytuttle: yes, I wrote about that. Oct 22 13:10
harrytuttle cannot repeat it enough :-) Oct 22 13:10
_Doug Lets call it Lindows 7, just to confuse people :) Oct 22 13:10
harrytuttle hehe Oct 22 13:10
schestowitz http://boycottnovell.com/2008/01/11… “The name “Office Open XML” is often mistakenly called “Open Office XML” implying a non-existent connection to the OpenOffice.org project.” Makes you wonder if Microsoft encouraged this mistake. Oct 22 13:11
harrytuttle yes, thats intentional Oct 22 13:11
schestowitz http://boycottnovell.com/2008/02/27/ooxml-gives-… : Microsoft’s OOXML Gives Open Source Software a Bad Name Oct 22 13:12
harrytuttle they try to control the words and their meaning Oct 22 13:12
harrytuttle beacuse behind terms and words are a meaning and ideas Oct 22 13:12
schestowitz It’s Official: Microsoft Has Redefined “Open Source”: http://boycottnovell.com/2008/02/27/micros… Oct 22 13:13
harrytuttle if everybody agreed to the same meaning and its positive and favors your side, then the other has a much more hard time refuting your thoughts Oct 22 13:13
schestowitz As they say, if you don’t protect your brand, you lose it. Oct 22 13:13
harrytuttle yes Oct 22 13:13
schestowitz OSI let itself be destructed in a sense. Oct 22 13:13
harrytuttle f you can control the meaning of words, you can control the people who use those words” Oct 22 13:15
harrytuttle that was philip k dick Oct 22 13:15
harrytuttle http://www.philipkdick.com/aa_intro.html Oct 22 13:16
harrytuttle he made quite some fitting novels like Bladerunner, Minority Reprt or Total Recall Oct 22 13:16
harrytuttle This is a synopsis which sums up everything this blog is about: Mono/MS/Media-Manipulation/freedom Oct 22 13:18
harrytuttle http://dialogic.blogspot.com/2007… Oct 22 13:18
schestowitz Pirate. Oct 22 13:19
schestowitz Non-proprietary softwaare. Oct 22 13:20
schestowitz Communism… _cheap_ software. Oct 22 13:20
schestowitz It’s not just terms, but also mental images and associated. Oct 22 13:20
schestowitz *associations Oct 22 13:20
harrytuttle Do not believe—and I am dead serious when I say this—do not assume that order and stability are always good, in a society or in a universe. The old, the ossified, must always give way to new life and the birth of new things. Before the new things can be born the old must perish. Oct 22 13:20
schestowitz MSGoebbels :-( Oct 22 13:21
harrytuttle no, its P.K.Dick Oct 22 13:21
schestowitz I bet lots of people are /still/ under the impression that Steve Jobs is ill. Too many false alarms. This disinfo may have arrives from Microsoft, based on some sources. Oct 22 13:21
_Doug “When all things began, the brand name already was. The brand name dwelt with God, and what God was, the brand name was” Oct 22 13:25
_Doug :) Oct 22 13:25
schestowitz Without brands, it’s communism. Oct 22 13:32
schestowitz Bread from the Bread Brand. branded uncompetitive… Oct 22 13:32
schestowitz Latest ASTROT~1 report: http://boycottnovell.com/2008/10/22/micro… Oct 22 13:33
_Doug “a technical marketing case” ? Oct 22 13:35
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schestowitz Marketing… also called Geurilla marketing. Oct 22 13:35
_Doug typical .. a glorified advert pretending to be a technical analysis .. Oct 22 13:35
schestowitz “Marketing help” = Microsoft bribe in Nigeria. Oct 22 13:36
schestowitz Bribe = “incentive” Oct 22 13:36
schestowitz Bribe laptop = “gift” Oct 22 13:36
_Doug it’s the abuse of the language that’s the worst crime .. Oct 22 13:36
schestowitz Shills = “evangelists” Oct 22 13:36
schestowitz On to a post about them damn laptops! ;-) Oct 22 13:38
_Doug “Computer criminals could soon be eavesdropping on what you type by analysing the electromagnetic signals produced by every key press” Oct 22 13:39
_Doug http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/7681534.stm Oct 22 13:39
_Doug This is old technology .. has been around years .. only now the BBC discovers it .. Oct 22 13:40
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_Doug http://groups.google.co.uk/group/alt.secur… Oct 22 13:41
schestowitz Yes. Oct 22 13:42
schestowitz I thought the same thing. Tuning in to keystrokes is quite an art. Oct 22 13:42
schestowitz I think the MSBBC mentions this now only because of a ‘new’ study. I read it this morning. Oct 22 13:43
_Doug don’t secure systems have to be in a RF shielded room or something ? Oct 22 13:43
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twitter someone on Slashdot pointed me to this, “Accounts for Microsoft Ireland Research, an Irish subsidiary of the global software giant, show that the company paid just €460,000 in tax, on profits of more than €1.2 billion last year, by using provisions in Irish tax law to take its corporation tax bill down from €158m. Much of Microsoft’s international profits are channelled through Ireland, but because the main company for Microso Oct 22 13:44
schestowitz twitter: that’s another one for the tax evasion collection. Oct 22 13:44
schestowitz Any source for this? Oct 22 13:44
schestowitz twitter: your message is truncated. Oct 22 13:44
_Doug Ireland the corporate tax evasion capitol of Europe .. Oct 22 13:45
twitter Less than half a million tax on 1.2 billion profit.  I’ve seen bigger percentages in nuclear statistics.  http://www.rte.ie/business/2008/0… Oct 22 13:45
twitter that took forever :) Oct 22 13:45
mib_gmf0kc Was it this? Oct 22 13:46
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schestowitz Well, the Irish will not pay the tax… in the form of huge inflation. Oct 22 13:47
schestowitz Microsoft laughs all the way to the bank. Oct 22 13:48
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_Doug billion = 1,000,000,000 ?? Oct 22 13:48
schestowitz Yes Oct 22 13:50
schestowitz milliard? Oct 22 13:50
_Doug that’s 3.8% tax last year ? Oct 22 13:52
_Doug when did we stop using the BRITISH billion ? Oct 22 13:52
schestowitz I don’t know. I wondered about that myself… but many years ago.. when I was like 17 Oct 22 13:57
schestowitz American pound is now the universal pound too. Oct 22 13:57
schestowitz Pint also, I think. Oct 22 13:58
_Doug what’s the difference between the US and UK pound ? Oct 22 13:59
schestowitz I can’t remember. Just a few grams, IIRC. Oct 22 14:01
schestowitz Oops. Oct 22 14:01
schestowitz I must be confusing it with ounce. Oct 22 14:01
_Doug “According to a 1959 NIST publication, the international pound differed from the United States 1894 pound by approximately one part in 10 million.[5]. The difference is so insignificant that it can be ignored for almost all practical purposes” Oct 22 14:04
_Doug Well, I never … not a lot of people know that …. Oct 22 14:04
_Doug http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pound-mass Oct 22 14:04
_Doug gtg .. Oct 22 14:10
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twitter liquid ban on trains, http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/20… Oct 22 14:12
schestowitz Thanks. Oct 22 14:12
schestowitz Next: scanners at the office/building, drinking only in special rooms (like smokers)… other mad sci-fi stuff… Oct 22 14:13
twitter two way tele-screens everywhere.  think of your gym or the airport with the constant broadcast blair and cameras everywhere. Oct 22 14:18
twitter you should be grateful for your synthetic coffee even if you can only drink it in the cafeteria. Oct 22 14:19
MinceR http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=n… Oct 22 14:19
MinceR :( Oct 22 14:19
twitter Goldstein has agents everywhere, you can never be too careful.  2minute hate. Oct 22 14:19
schestowitz Mr. Smiths. Oct 22 14:26
schestowitz Oh no. Oct 22 14:26
schestowitz IDG?????? Oct 22 14:26
MinceR idg. Oct 22 14:26
schestowitz MinceR: he privately told me about this for months. Oct 22 14:27
schestowitz Since last year. Oct 22 14:27
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schestowitz IDC Oct 22 14:27
schestowitz Al Gillen and Pals. Oct 22 14:27
MinceR what do you think can we expect from Phoronix now? Oct 22 14:27
schestowitz He had to respond to them by November, so… Oct 22 14:27
schestowitz MinceR: [whispers] things that Michael does not like. Oct 22 14:28
schestowitz I’ll give him flak in IRC. :-) Oct 22 14:28
schestowitz That’s IDC owned…  http://boycottnovell.com/2008/09/06/i… Oct 22 14:29
MinceR do you know Michael? will he resist the shillism from IDG? Oct 22 14:29
schestowitz He might. Oct 22 14:30
MinceR would he choose truth over bribes? Oct 22 14:30
schestowitz But he was tempted once by a chance to meet the Man in the Sweater (BillG) Oct 22 14:30
schestowitz Ad hominem responses in phoronix. Oct 22 14:31
schestowitz The thing is, independent site can care about freedom. Business-backed sites must care about $$. Oct 22 14:32
schestowitz Novell employee just commented in BN Oct 22 14:46
MinceR they don’t have to Oct 22 14:49
schestowitz Well, no disclosure, but it’s obvious given the context. Oct 22 14:49
MinceR they could draw a line and say “if you cross this, i won’t be doing business with you anymore” to advertisers/overlords Oct 22 14:49
MinceR but it’s highly unlikely Oct 22 14:49
*schestowitz not looking forward to Wintel-cladded Phoronix Oct 22 14:49
schestowitz Well, for his own welfare I hope he got a good wad of cash because he worked hard, but to link to this site now is to empower the IDC empire. And be sure he won’t have much of a word against it… Oct 22 14:51
schestowitz When Brian Proffitt left Linux Today he was relieved to have escaped the Microsoft ads from Jupitermedia, but one reader slammed him for doing nothing/not enough to stop those ads. As for myself, I stopped writing for them while the Microsoft ads are there. I won’t sell out. Oct 22 14:52
schestowitz Digg haven’t sold out (yet), either, but they probably dumped Google because Microsoft paid them for it (they made lots of noise about this ‘case study’ in the media) Oct 22 14:53
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twitter Heh, might not have to worry about M$ long.  Down another 5% in heavy looking sell off.  http://finance.google.com/finance?q=NASDAQ:MSFT Oct 22 15:38
twitter Wonder what they know that we will learn tomorrow. Oct 22 15:39
schestowitz Yes. Oct 22 15:39
schestowitz Maybe it won’t crash tomorrow (the stock) because they escape early. Oct 22 15:39
schestowitz In April and July the results crashes the stock (MSFT) Oct 22 15:39
schestowitz But in April and July Microsoft was not buying back its stock so aggressively. Oct 22 15:40
*schestowitz is doing a post about the Ireland thingie. Oct 22 15:40
twitter :) Oct 22 15:40
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schestowitz My posts are getting longer (this one is tiring). So I fall behind. I also proofread more carefully because many people read it. Oct 22 15:45
twitter they get their money’s worth.  :-D Oct 22 16:00
schestowitz This new post contains a lot of information (tightly):  http://boycottnovell.com/2008/10/22/micr… Oct 22 16:01
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tessier schestowitz: I consider Java not FOSS because it doesn’t come with any distro yet although it would sure be nice if it did and I can’t download the source and compile it. Have you ever tried? It isn’t practical. Oct 22 16:16
tessier When Java comes with Fedora and a source RPM I can build which results in a working jvm, browser plugin, and compiler with class libraries, then it will be FOSS. Oct 22 16:17
schestowitz That will happen, as far as I know. Let me find an article I have. Oct 22 16:23
schestowitz Open Source Java Technology Debuts In GNU/Linux Distributions : http://www.sun.com/aboutsun/pr/2008… Oct 22 16:23
schestowitz OpenSUSE 11.1 beta3 is out. Oct 22 16:25
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tessier_ schestowitz: That java is icedtea, not the Sun java. It won’t work as a plugin or run Limewire or much of anything else. It only runs the java based stuff in OO.org IIRC Oct 22 16:55
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  1. Needs Sunlight said,

    October 23, 2008 at 6:32 am


    Yuhong is making a common mistake, hopefully not intentionally. There are no suites on the market today that support OOXML.

    Yes, OpenOffice.org not only has full OpenDocument support, including v1.2, but also can import MS Office’s latest “x” formats. These, however, are most certainly not OOXML.

    He’s correct in that MS Office will be supporting OpenDocument, albeit in its own, broken way. So OpenDocument is clearly the way to go: It’s used by all major, and most minor, office suites. .docx and the others are not.

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