10.25.08

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IRC: #boycottnovell @ FreeNode: October 25th, 2008

Posted in IRC Logs at 7:50 pm by Dr. Roy Schestowitz

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twitter	hi ho	Oct 25 01:23
schestowitz	Coming tomorrow: Microsoft’s ‘reality check’ financial report.	Oct 25 01:24
twitter	I think I’ll write a summary of the case against Novell. Sort of an introduction. It should not be too hard because all the work has already been done.	Oct 25 01:25
schestowitz	Please do.	Oct 25 01:25
schestowitz	Some people ask for it… even in Linux.com	Oct 25 01:25
twitter	Give me a day or two and I’ll have it.	Oct 25 01:25
schestowitz	Although books are a thing of the past, a book could be composed about it too.	Oct 25 01:26
twitter	We can bounce it back and forth, get it nice and concise.	Oct 25 01:26
schestowitz	I already have summaries.	Oct 25 01:26
schestowitz	Not up to date though…	Oct 25 01:26
twitter	Sure, I’ll look around and string them into a quickie. Something to frame M$’s pervasive influence and behavior and how that is all exhibited in the Novell deal.	Oct 25 01:28
schestowitz	People don’t read though.	Oct 25 01:28
schestowitz	They view pictures and big fonts.	Oct 25 01:28
twitter	That’s why I’ll make it short, using lots of links. I don’t have to explain why software patents suck because RMS has done it very well.	Oct 25 01:29
twitter	The most important parts come from M$ and Novell executives. Their own words reveal what they are doing.	Oct 25 01:30
schestowitz	Yes	Oct 25 01:30
schestowitz	Peace of mind.	Oct 25 01:30
schestowitz	“They have obligation to compensate us”	Oct 25 01:30
twitter	There’s a whole string of lies that goes into non free software. The obligation to compensate is one M$ tells others. Internally, they know they exist through ownership and force.	Oct 25 01:32
twitter	They have destroyed other people’s works again and again.	Oct 25 01:34
schestowitz	OLPC	Oct 25 01:34
twitter	Netscape	Oct 25 01:34
twitter	Correll	Oct 25 01:34
twitter	Word Perfect’s various owners	Oct 25 01:34
twitter	Digital Research	Oct 25 01:35
twitter	DOS Backup companies.	Oct 25 01:35
schestowitz	Yes, I think it’s all in Wikipedia.	Oct 25 01:35
schestowitz	Also ‘Old’ Novell.	Oct 25 01:35
twitter	Santa Cruz Operation	Oct 25 01:35
twitter	Sun	Oct 25 01:35
twitter	all proprietary Unix	Oct 25 01:36
schestowitz	Not AIX.	Oct 25 01:36
schestowitz	or HPUX	Oct 25 01:36
twitter	yet	Oct 25 01:36
twitter	They are happy to let GNU/Linux eat away at them.	Oct 25 01:37
twitter	If they could, they would own GNU/Linux.	Oct 25 01:37
schestowitz	You can’t own iot.	Oct 25 01:38
schestowitz	With patents, however, they hope to make pet Linux/es and own that…	Oct 25 01:38
schestowitz	…in the ‘intellectual’ sense of course	Oct 25 01:38
twitter	They hope to tax it anyway they can.	Oct 25 01:38
twitter	Being able to charge everyone for software you did not write is as good as owning it.	Oct 25 01:39
schestowitz	This has two effects.	Oct 25 01:39
twitter	The SCO case was about claiming ownership and smearing free software.	Oct 25 01:39
twitter	The Novell deal is about claiming ownership.	Oct 25 01:39
schestowitz	A point that I try to get across is this: They win because: 1) Linux gets expensive, i.e. less attractive; 2) Microsoft makes money also when the rival makes sales.	Oct 25 01:40
twitter	They keep telling the same lie again and again.	Oct 25 01:40
schestowitz	Novell is also about APIs	Oct 25 01:40
twitter	What does Novell have that’s special?	Oct 25 01:40
schestowitz	If the world chooses Java and ODF, then Microsoft can use Novell to push patches for OOXML and build/rebuild Linux with the Microsoft API (patent-burdened)	Oct 25 01:40
schestowitz	Novell? Nothing.	Oct 25 01:41
schestowitz	They have S.u.S.E., which was special.	Oct 25 01:41
twitter	I don’t see what advantage OOXML and other M$ patented things would be in Novell if everyone else was using ODF and Java.	Oct 25 01:42
twitter	Ultimately M$ has to claim ownership to basic operations that everyone else needs or they lose.	Oct 25 01:43
twitter	Novell has pretended that there is something like that M$ has.	Oct 25 01:44
schestowitz	To Novell, it’s about keeping a rope for money	Oct 25 01:44
schestowitz	Novell earns nothing practical from this.. just bribes to carry on doing damage to ODF and open technologies.	Oct 25 01:44
schestowitz	The dangerous pretense at Novell is that it has an upper hand over Microsoft.	Oct 25 01:45
schestowitz	One version of the story (from Novell) is that Novell is scared of Novell patents. Another is that Novell is paid /by/ Microsoft for its sales. Another is that Microsoft ‘surrendered’ to Novell and that it’s a ‘win for Linux’	Oct 25 01:46
twitter	Yes, they have foolishly contradicted themselves.	Oct 25 01:46
schestowitz	I wanted to think it was a win for Linux in November 2nd-3rd 2006. Then I read Bruce Perens’ analysis, about patents and all…	Oct 25 01:46
twitter	The M$ and Novell stories don’t jibe. It should be easy to put them up next to each other.	Oct 25 01:47
schestowitz	It’s disinformation. That’s the danger.	Oct 25 01:47
twitter	Like I said, give me a couple of days to work on it.	Oct 25 01:48
schestowitz	GN	Oct 25 01:50
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schestowitz	http://lxer.com/module/forums/t/27981/ “The late, lamented US magazine “Brill’s Content” had a big article on Microsoft’s policies and actions regarding reporters.”	Oct 25 08:34
schestowitz	“Too bad that isn’t on-line anymore. Made my hair curl. In the late 90s, MSFT and Wagg-Ed had a huge dossier on apparently every reporter in the computer news biz. And they actively courted them.”	Oct 25 08:34
schestowitz	“This sort of thing, in combination with the fairly-well documented astroturfing that MSFT does, and the perhaps more arguable and murkier shilling, makes it a bit difficult to not feel paranoid about MSFT. After all, they’ve had as much as $40 BILLION in cash reserves.”	Oct 25 08:34
schestowitz	Expect more zombies (compromised without intervention): http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/10/24… – Trojan attacks Microsoft’s emergency patch vuln	Oct 25 08:38
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schestowitz	Microsoft’s security headache and more baloney to hide corruption < http://www.pcworld.com/article/1… > “Greenspan, Cox tell Congress that bad data hurt Wall Street’s computer models: Insufficient and faulty data used in risk management models contributed to the financial mess embroiling the U.S. and rippling across the globe, said former U.S. Federal Reserve Chairman Alan Greenspan.”	Oct 25 12:23
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_Doug	votes recorded incorrectly because of alignment error ..	Oct 25 14:30
_Doug	http://news.slashdot.org/news/08/1…	Oct 25 14:31
_Doug	1 + 1 = 2 .. how difficult is it to program that correctly ?	Oct 25 14:31
schestowitz		Oct 25 14:32
schestowitz	If it’s a close race, then this could get ugly.	Oct 25 14:32
_Doug	no papere trail ?	Oct 25 14:32
schestowitz	There should be.	Oct 25 14:32
schestowitz	People have talked about these issues for over a year. Were lessons leaned?	Oct 25 14:33
_Doug	or at least a write once medium ..	Oct 25 14:33
_Doug	the efficiency of the market	Oct 25 14:33
schestowitz	You see, aoscial engineering I can understand…	Oct 25 14:33
schestowitz	Like of the system allowed through loopholes for people to vote twice under different identities.	Oct 25 14:34
schestowitz	But to just digitally count votes on a machines? C’mon.	Oct 25 14:34
_Doug	A polymer/semiconductor write-once read-many-times memory ..	Oct 25 14:34
_Doug	http://cat.inist.fr/?aModele=a…	Oct 25 14:34
schestowitz	Disablement by design.	Oct 25 14:35
schestowitz	Like old CD-ROM (R-only)	Oct 25 14:35
_Doug	SCO litigation PLC to rise from the dead ..	Oct 25 14:38
_Doug	http://www.groklaw.net/article.ph…	Oct 25 14:38
*schestowitz looks		Oct 25 14:45
schestowitz	Oh, that	Oct 25 14:45
schestowitz	I was more fascinated by Intel’s SCO lifeline.	Oct 25 14:45
_Doug	The CPA strikes again ..	Oct 25 14:45
_Doug	http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_pol…	Oct 25 14:45
schestowitz	Do SCO run their garbage on Intel servers at all?	Oct 25 14:45
_Doug	http://www.c2000.com/fun/gatespie.htm	Oct 25 14:45
schestowitz	Cute. What did he do?	Oct 25 14:46
schestowitz	Phil Woolas… let’s see…	Oct 25 14:46
schestowitz	“The No Borders group, which campaigns against immigration controls, were angered by Mr Woolas’ recent remarks, in which he said the government would not allow the UK’s population to rise as high as 70 million.”	Oct 25 14:47
_Doug	We cannot collect uptime data for SCO UNIX. FAQ.	Oct 25 14:47
_Doug	http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?sit…	Oct 25 14:47
schestowitz	Maybe they still run GNU/Linux?	Oct 25 14:47
schestowitz	Wow. Their homepage is PageRank 4 now.	Oct 25 14:47
schestowitz	It’s like they are some startuo.	Oct 25 14:48
schestowitz	Well, they don’t use Windows.	Oct 25 14:49
schestowitz	The site is case-sensitive.	Oct 25 14:49
schestowitz	http://www.sco.com/scosource/gnu_license.html	Oct 25 14:49
_Doug	ot: Mandelson .. the next Bond villian ?	Oct 25 14:52
_Doug	http://uk.reuters.com/article/domest…	Oct 25 14:52
schestowitz	There’s a pie pic of BillG in microsoft.com also: http://img99.imageshack.us/my.php?im…	Oct 25 14:53
schestowitz	https://secure.gn.apc.org/members/www.bild…	Oct 25 14:54
schestowitz	“	Oct 25 14:54
schestowitz	Bilderberg member and recently appointed UK Business Secretary Peter Mandelson argued last week that new global solutions are needed because “the machinery of global economic governance barely exists”-, adding: “It is time for a Bretton Woods for this century,”- reports the Telegraph, noting that “Opinion is now hardening around the case for a new global architecture to enforce rules that ensure lessons are learnt.”- “	Oct 25 14:54
_Doug	a new world order .. a global government .. run by and on behalf of the multi-nationals ..	Oct 25 14:55
schestowitz	Well, I don’t know about it.	Oct 25 14:56
_Doug	woudn’t be a half-bad idea ?	Oct 25 14:56
schestowitz	A friend of mine reckons that the current economic climate will be used to justify a global currency.	Oct 25 14:56
_Doug	no – they need differing currencies to trade in and make a profit ..	Oct 25 14:56
_Doug	as well as regions of differing GDP ..	Oct 25 14:57
schestowitz	That too. There’s little commission that way.	Oct 25 14:57
_Doug	it strikes me that market capitalism acts as if there was an infinite amount of resources	Oct 25 14:58
_Doug	and we’re just about to run out ..	Oct 25 14:58
_Doug	example:	Oct 25 14:58
_Doug	There are areas of the Amazon cleared to grow corn to feed to chickens here in the UK, so as we can have corn fed chicken, all year round ..	Oct 25 14:59
schestowitz	Cap-it-alize	Oct 25 14:59
schestowitz	No Cap.	Oct 25 14:59
_Doug	The waste in resources to achieve this must be huge ..	Oct 25 14:59
schestowitz	This is related to environmental issues, of course.	Oct 25 14:59
schestowitz	I still think that birth control is needed to prevent wars over water and food.	Oct 25 15:00
_Doug	All so as I can year round out-of-season foods in Sainsburys .	Oct 25 15:00
schestowitz	Yes.	Oct 25 15:00
schestowitz	Sometimes Spain though.	Oct 25 15:00
schestowitz	They won’t grow pineapple in the UK, will they?	Oct 25 15:01
_Doug	flying in exotic foods from Thailand – FLYING !!	Oct 25 15:01
schestowitz	Sugar… coffee…	Oct 25 15:01
schestowitz	Well, _Doug, chicken can fly.	Oct 25 15:01
twitter	“Insufficient and faulty data used in risk management models” Software == Scapegoat.	Oct 25 15:01
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_Doug	http://www.psfk.com/2008/05/ramsay-…	Oct 25 15:02
_Doug	twitter: ? wha ?	Oct 25 15:02
schestowitz	We’ll live.	Oct 25 15:02
schestowitz	That’s peanuts, not fruit.	Oct 25 15:02
schestowitz	_Doug: he replies to something I wrote before you came.	Oct 25 15:02
_Doug	only with a parachute :)	Oct 25 15:02
schestowitz	schestowitz> Microsoft’s security headache and more baloney to hide corruption < http://www.pcworld.com/article/1… > “Greenspan, Cox tell Congress that bad data hurt Wall Street’s computer models: Insufficient and faulty data used in risk management models contributed to the financial mess embroiling the U.S. and rippling across the globe, said former U.S. Federal Reserve Chairman Alan Greenspan.”	Oct 25 15:03
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schestowitz	“Fruit and veg should be seasonal,” he said. “Chefs should be fined if they haven’t got ingredients in season on their menu. I don’t want to see asparagus on in the middle of December. I don’t want to see strawberries from Kenya in the middle of March. I want to see it home grown.”	Oct 25 15:03
schestowitz	Finally. /boundaries/.	Oct 25 15:04
_Doug	The Black Scholes equation .. a three card trick .. in my portfolio .. I have nothing of value at all	Oct 25 15:04
twitter	“Trojan attacks Microsoft’s emergency patch vuln” Like I said, people can auto generate exploits based on the patches. Every script kiddie will use it and they will get there before M$ can roll the patch out to everyone. Centralization, FAIL.	Oct 25 15:04
schestowitz	They should tell Windows users to maybe shut down their machines or work without a connection for a while. Even strong firewalls won’t do in this case.	Oct 25 15:06
twitter	Yeah, I’m catching up. Greenspan was blaming computer models. Garbage in Garbage out. The people running the models certainly knew what they were doing and should not blame computers for their greed.	Oct 25 15:06
_Doug	What’s amazing is that MS has made ‘viruses’ normal ..	Oct 25 15:06
schestowitz	I had a machine port-scan me this morning.	Oct 25 15:07
twitter	People should never use Windoze.	Oct 25 15:07
schestowitz	Service: 8786, UDP..	Oct 25 15:07
schestowitz	The “Big Machines” (think Bush) maybe had a virus, so they miscalculated the models.	Oct 25 15:08
twitter	There are only a few niches where you really need it. Everyone else should be moving away as fast as they can.	Oct 25 15:08
_Doug	I get it all the time .. from compromised machines in JP or south america .. testing old windows exploits ..	Oct 25 15:08
twitter	I’m interested on the late 90′s WE reporter dossiers. Recently, a reporter was handed his file by mistake and was upset to see how he had been manipulated.	Oct 25 15:12
twitter	It’s hard to find references to either event.	Oct 25 15:13
schestowitz	twitter: Was it Dan Rather?	Oct 25 15:14
schestowitz	Mary Jo knows about it… whoever it was, she spoke to him and I have the reference at hand somewhere in BN.	Oct 25 15:14
twitter	got one http://boycottnovell.com/2008/0…	Oct 25 15:15
schestowitz	Ah. Dan Gilmore.	Oct 25 15:18
schestowitz	I’m doing a series about his interviews… posted the first one in BN earlier… http://boycottnovell.com/2008/10/25/mo… (at the bottom)	Oct 25 15:19
schestowitz	It comes in about 20 parts, which I enjoy watching and I have lined up for the next groupings of linkls.	Oct 25 15:20
schestowitz	In this part < http://www.archive.org/details/e-dv… > he explains why he doesn’t like Microsoft’s practices and he also say that China probably collaborates with Microsoft to bake in surveillance into Windows.	Oct 25 15:20
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_Doug	what just happened ?	Oct 25 15:27
schestowitz	You dropped offline	Oct 25 15:28
_Doug	me no .. everyone dropped off and re-joined …	Oct 25 15:31
schestowitz	Just you then.	Oct 25 15:33
twitter	Fred Vogelstein	Oct 25 15:34
schestowitz	Or maybe a few others (nothing seen here other than you dropped for a minute).	Oct 25 15:34
schestowitz	Who’s that, twitter?	Oct 25 15:34
twitter	That’s who got sent his file.	Oct 25 15:34
twitter	March 27, 2007	Oct 25 15:34
schestowitz	What’s the URL?	Oct 25 15:34
schestowitz	It’s worth kicking around again now that people forgot all about it.	Oct 25 15:34
twitter	http://blog.wired.com/business/200…	Oct 25 15:35
_Doug	DotHill patents mirrored posted-write RAID system ..	Oct 25 15:35
_Doug	http://www.datastorageconnection.com/article.mvc…	Oct 25 15:35
twitter	That’s not something from the late 90′s	Oct 25 15:35
schestowitz	When it’s brought up, the Munckins say that “everyone is doing it”	Oct 25 15:35
schestowitz	It’s the “they are equally evil”-type defence.	Oct 25 15:35
twitter	Everyone they know, sure.	Oct 25 15:35
twitter	Fuckers.	Oct 25 15:35
schestowitz	sleep Language advosory.	Oct 25 15:36
schestowitz	“Hey AC – You probably ought to read the post more carefully before you drop into attack dog mode. It addresses both issues you have. … Posted by: Fred Vogelstein \| Mar 29, 2007 12:35:55 PM”	Oct 25 15:36
_Doug	Qualcomm sued over procuring patents ..	Oct 25 15:37
_Doug	http://www.ibtimes.com/prnews/20081…	Oct 25 15:37
twitter	Trolls lie in your face. It wastes your time and they can claim “the community” debunked you in your face.	Oct 25 15:37
schestowitz	Watch the number of spam comments.	Oct 25 15:38
schestowitz	“Waggener Edstrom President Frank Shaw’s post on the Wired story and on the memo is up.”	Oct 25 15:39
_Doug	Klausner Technologies patents visual voicemail ..	Oct 25 15:39
_Doug	http://www.nytimes.com/external/idg/200…	Oct 25 15:39
schestowitz	Spies. Waggener Edstrom President Frank Shaw’s post on the Wired story and on the memo is up.	Oct 25 15:40
schestowitz	http://www.wired.com/wired/archiv…	Oct 25 15:40
schestowitz	Could I post this as text? I assume no copyrights on that..	Oct 25 15:40
-_Doug-DCC Chat ()		Oct 25 15:47
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_Doug	ping schestowitz ..	Oct 25 15:47
schestowitz	I don’t know how to handle DDC	Oct 25 15:47
-_Doug-DCC Chat ()		Oct 25 15:48
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_Doug	chat ..	Oct 25 15:48
schestowitz	Won’t work.	Oct 25 15:48
*DCC CHAT to _Doug aborted.		Oct 25 15:48
twitter	What is DDC and where do you find it?	Oct 25 15:49
_Doug	is an option in Mirc to send files .. ?	Oct 25 15:51
schestowitz	Which file is it?	Oct 25 15:52
_Doug	not a file .. trying to do a private chat .. check your email ..	Oct 25 15:52
twitter	What is the Eula.txt you are trying to send me?	Oct 25 15:54
schestowitz	Thanks.	Oct 25 15:54
schestowitz	Either way, I was hoping for the raw leaked document	Oct 25 15:54
schestowitz	The one in Wired is edited by them, so it’s original work, I guess.	Oct 25 15:55
twitter	_Doug, It is not working, so I’m going to kill the transfer.	Oct 25 15:55
schestowitz	http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=mozclie… – 5 results.	Oct 25 15:55
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schestowitz	There is also ma John Gilmore.	Oct 25 15:56
schestowitz	http://www.groklaw.net/articlebasic.php?st… “point is, that John Gilmore had almost definitely been exposed to Unix source code at that time.”	Oct 25 15:56
schestowitz	http://www.groklaw.net/articlebasic.php?st… “Dan Gilmore puts it bluntly:”	Oct 25 15:57
_Doug	twitter: just a test .. you did ask what DDC was for .. for sending people viruses I think .. not that I am attempting to	Oct 25 15:58
schestowitz	“”That doesn’t excuse the DDOS, but it does say something about SCO’s credibility, not for the first time. SCO and its senior executives have shown themselves to be willing to stretch, if not snap, the truth — such as Darl McBride’s ridiculously inaccurate meanderings about copyright law, as Larry Lessig has picked apart in some detail.”	Oct 25 15:58
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twitter	Wow, that was nasty.	Oct 25 15:59
twitter	WTF?	Oct 25 15:59
_Doug	I do recall seeing the original somewhere .. in the COMES v Microsoft docs or on Groklaw ?	Oct 25 15:59
_Doug	twitter: is a little joke .. never accept files from strangers ..	Oct 25 15:59
twitter	I’m not laughing.	Oct 25 15:59
_Doug	you’re not using windows are you ?	Oct 25 16:00
twitter	You know exactly what I’m using.	Oct 25 16:00
twitter	Tell me some more.	Oct 25 16:00
_Doug	I tried to do a private chat with Schozwitz .. that’s all ..	Oct 25 16:01
twitter	You sent me something labeled Eula.txt that crashed my gaim session.	Oct 25 16:02
twitter	Why don’t you gloat about what it did.	Oct 25 16:02
_Doug	sorry: you did ask what DCC was for .. just did a demo .. it’s a text file on this here computer ..	Oct 25 16:03
twitter	sure, I never saw the first byte.	Oct 25 16:03
schestowitz	Never sign a Yoola.	Oct 25 16:04
twitter	I never see them.	Oct 25 16:04
_Doug	“SYSINTERNALS SOFTWARE LICENSE TERMS ..”	Oct 25 16:04
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schestowitz	Isn’t it owned by the Vole now? They bought them out.	Oct 25 16:09
schestowitz	And recently I discovered that they are responsible for some of the Big Lies about Linux (the “MINIX fork” thing).	Oct 25 16:09
twitter	Well _Doug, I’ll never take another file from you and think you should be booted for your “joke”	Oct 25 16:09
schestowitz	Novell seems angry? “Did you, you know, bother to contact Novell for comment, or just feel that it was appropriate to highlight an attack site against the company without giving anyone at the company the opportunity to respond?” < http://www.linux.com/feature/151215#commentthis >	Oct 25 16:10
schestowitz	The term “attack site” seems to have originated from Microsoft Munchkins, but maybe it’s just a generic term.	Oct 25 16:11
_Doug	twitter: it’s a plain text file ..	Oct 25 16:11
twitter	The Munchinks always portray themselves as victims.	Oct 25 16:11
schestowitz	brb	Oct 25 16:12
_Doug	twitter: you try and send me a file ..	Oct 25 16:12
_Doug	twitter: are you using Gaim for this chat ?	Oct 25 16:15
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_Doug	“Fred has been asking repeated questions about whether other executives were involved to give the green light on these projects, in particular Brad Smith from a legal review. We have said all along that no such conversations took place”	Oct 25 16:29
twitter	Fred who? I missed a little thanks to a “joke”	Oct 25 16:32
_Doug	http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/…	Oct 25 16:33
schestowitz	I’ve just linked to the PDF and blog post from this new one: http://boycottnovell.com/2008/1…	Oct 25 16:37
schestowitz	I relate this to Maureen O’Gara, who loves to slam RMS and cover Novell stuff positively. She was with W.E.	Oct 25 16:37
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schestowitz	I’m off for a couple of hours (gym)	Oct 25 16:40
_Doug	ahh back again ..	Oct 25 16:40
_Doug	ok .. see ya tomorrow ..	Oct 25 16:41
trmanco	http://labs.google.com/inquotes/	Oct 25 16:41
schestowitz	Bruce: “Yes, in the past I have attacked Boycott Novell because of what I perceived as attempts to attack me.”	Oct 25 16:41
_Doug	did you notice everyone droppong off ?	Oct 25 16:41
schestowitz	They caught him for his history against me	Oct 25 16:41
_Doug	twitter: DCC send is blocked here by the filewall .. can’t send any files by IRC .. therefore I didn’t crash your Gasim session ..	Oct 25 16:42
twitter	BB?	Oct 25 16:43
twitter	never mind, go to the gym. I’m looking more into this Channel 9 farce. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chan…)	Oct 25 16:44
twitter	” Channel 9′s intention was created by a group of Microsoft employees to provide unfiltered access to the development teams outside of the control of marketing and PR. “	Oct 25 16:44
twitter	Now I understand why Fred thought getting his dossier was intentional.	Oct 25 16:45
twitter	and how damaging such manipulation was in connection with Channel 9.	Oct 25 16:45
_Doug	if only they expended as much effort on fixing the code ..	Oct 25 16:46
twitter	” Channel 9 is not a marketing tool, not a PR tool, not a lead generation tool.” LOL	Oct 25 16:46
twitter	BN is all about keeping the bastards from breaking other people’s code.	Oct 25 16:49
twitter	their crappy code is defective by design.	Oct 25 16:50
_Doug	“the Protocol Freedom Information Foundation, a non-profit organization created by the Software Freedom Law Center and Microsoft”	Oct 25 16:50
_Doug		Oct 25 16:50
_Doug	http://port25.technet.com/archiv…	Oct 25 16:50
_Doug	it’s like when the refer to the peoples democratic republic .. really meaning the dictators undemocratic dictatorship	Oct 25 16:51
twitter	M$ could be cooperative but they won’t be. They invent protocols and formats instead of using better free ones.	Oct 25 16:57
_Doug	pollute the protocols ..	Oct 25 16:58
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schestowitz	Peter galli.	Oct 25 16:58
schestowitz	The shill is in the house.	Oct 25 16:58
schestowitz	http://boycottnovell.com/200…	Oct 25 16:59
schestowitz	Now they’ll say I just ‘attack’ things.	Oct 25 16:59
schestowitz	http://boycottnovell.com/2007/…	Oct 25 16:59
schestowitz	http://port25.technet.com/m… : Member since: 10-02-2008	Oct 25 17:00
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schestowitz	BBL	Oct 25 17:01
PetoKraus	bb	Oct 25 17:01
_Doug	Microsoft to buy the NBA ?	Oct 25 17:05
_Doug	http://www.thenewstribune.com/sp…	Oct 25 17:05
_Doug	Daniel Lyons: Why Is Jerry Yang Still in Charge?	Oct 25 17:09
_Doug	http://www.newsweek.com/id/164493	Oct 25 17:09
_Doug	is this an example of shilling ?	Oct 25 17:09
_Doug	.Mr Ballmer, speaking at a technology conference in Orlando, said a deal with Yahoo “would make sense economically.”.	Oct 25 17:11
_Doug		Oct 25 17:11
_Doug	http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/st…	Oct 25 17:12
_Doug	MS wheels in “ordinary” developer for Windows 7 ..	Oct 25 17:16
_Doug	http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/1…	Oct 25 17:16
PetoKraus	lol	Oct 25 17:18
PetoKraus	poor guy. I’m gonna keep his email, and if W7 it fails, i am gonna email every single failure story on his email address….	Oct 25 17:18
_Doug	Ballmer washes hands of Vista Capable claims ..	Oct 25 17:18
_Doug	http://www.pcpro.co.uk/news/228768/ballmer…	Oct 25 17:18
PetoKraus	oh god	Oct 25 17:19
PetoKraus	how possibly can he say that? He’s a fucking CEO of the company	Oct 25 17:19
_Doug	W7 = Xp version 111	Oct 25 17:19
PetoKraus	_Doug: that wouldn’t be THAT bad	Oct 25 17:19
_Doug	Viste = XP version 1 1/2	Oct 25 17:19
PetoKraus	take WXP kernel, put in Vista bling, and it may actually work better than Vista does	Oct 25 17:20
_Doug	Ballmer: please wait for Windows 7 and don’t upgrade to any of that socalist Linux stuff ..	Oct 25 17:21
PetoKraus	anyway	Oct 25 17:22
_Doug	“I don’t hafta know this ana’ways”	Oct 25 17:23
_Doug	:0	Oct 25 17:23
PetoKraus	i need to write some letters :/ ttyl	Oct 25 17:23
_Doug	Ballmer may be desposed in Vista Capiple class action suit ..	Oct 25 17:24
_Doug	http://www.bizjournals.com/seat…	Oct 25 17:24
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VIPPER	Hey BN admins, the BN website seems to be eating my posts	Oct 25 18:01
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PetoKraus	VIPPER: roy is not here atm	Oct 25 18:33
VIPPER	I see	Oct 25 18:33
PetoKraus	FFS	Oct 25 18:47
PetoKraus	virgin is trying to charge me £60 for service which barely works	Oct 25 18:47
PetoKraus	oh god.	Oct 25 18:47
PetoKraus	why the fuck do you have to shout at people	Oct 25 18:48
PetoKraus	yeah, in soviet russia, virgin fucks you!!!	Oct 25 19:11
twitter	nice	Oct 25 19:12
twitter	what service did you think they would provide?	Oct 25 19:13
VIPPER	It’s reasonable to presume that they would provide market quality level	Oct 25 19:14
PetoKraus	well, we should pay 22.50 for broadband, provided that we call only landlines on weekend	Oct 25 19:14
PetoKraus	well, it seems, that they are trying to charge me full amount for month, where two weeks we were on lower speed; and month upfront; and installation charge; and phone calls	Oct 25 19:15
schestowitz	http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article… is gone	Oct 25 19:15
VIPPER	Yo schestowitz	Oct 25 19:15
PetoKraus	jesus I hate to do it, but I’d have to FUCKING SHOUT ™ at someone. Maybe i’ll start throwing chairs.	Oct 25 19:16
schestowitz	Hey, VIPPER. I just got back.	Oct 25 19:16
VIPPER	PetoKraus = MS employee?	Oct 25 19:16
VIPPER		Oct 25 19:16
schestowitz	_Doug (he’s gone): Daniel Lyons akso attacks Apple and Linux. Microsoft shill.	Oct 25 19:16
schestowitz	PetoKraus: No, why?	Oct 25 19:16
schestowitz	Oops.	Oct 25 19:16
PetoKraus	VIPPER: i almost feel like….	Oct 25 19:16
schestowitz	VIPPER: no, why?	Oct 25 19:16
PetoKraus	i am selling those vista shites to people every saturday…	Oct 25 19:17
schestowitz	Weird. The Web Archive is down.	Oct 25 19:17
PetoKraus	anyway, today i downloaded Big Buck Bunny on the machines…	Oct 25 19:17
PetoKraus	FUN	Oct 25 19:17
VIPPER	schestowitz: I made two posts a couple of hours ago. It didn’t register. I’m pretty sure my browser cache is working fine	Oct 25 19:17
VIPPER	I was posting under the name LandofWind if that is of any help	Oct 25 19:18
schestowitz	I wonder if Microsoft is using analysts to pressure Yahoo. “Give up to Microsoft. You’re doomed!” They still have Icahn and his cronies on board just lurking, maybe waiting for action.	Oct 25 19:19
schestowitz	VIPPER: maybe it’s in moderation. Let me look.	Oct 25 19:19
schestowitz	Web archive is bacl.	Oct 25 19:19
VIPPER	schestowitz: I see. My other posts under other names didn’t seem to go through moderation	Oct 25 19:20
schestowitz	http://web.archive.org/web/20080116231720/http:…	Oct 25 19:20
schestowitz	LandofWind and bob?	Oct 25 19:20
VIPPER	yes	Oct 25 19:20
VIPPER	I do other identities as well	Oct 25 19:21
schestowitz	It was in the queue. Now it’s published.	Oct 25 19:21
VIPPER	k thanks	Oct 25 19:21
schestowitz	Did that mentioned hacking?	Oct 25 19:21
VIPPER	yes	Oct 25 19:21
VIPPER	I wanted to spread the joy of hacking	Oct 25 19:21
schestowitz	The use of words and mental images is demonic.	Oct 25 19:22
VIPPER	That’s why I wish to inform everyone of the distinction of hacking and cracking	Oct 25 19:22
schestowitz	Microsoft tries to paint FOSS devs as people in mother’s garage.	Oct 25 19:22
schestowitz	To an extent, the stereotype succeeds in penetrating.	Oct 25 19:22
VIPPER	I wish this fact wasn’t true.	Oct 25 19:23
VIPPER	I wish people would learn to separate facts and opinions.	Oct 25 19:23
VIPPER	The power of association is truly powerful I suppose	Oct 25 19:24
schestowitz	Let me see the context	Oct 25 19:24
schestowitz	Oh yeah… I see now.	Oct 25 19:25
schestowitz	Cracking is a word that’s hardly news. We should get back to it though.	Oct 25 19:25
twitter	Thinking of cracking, Debian had an October 23 update to Etch. 94 MB for me, quick and painless.	Oct 25 19:29
twitter	I’ll be a little slow chatting today. I decided to wipe the machine _Doug played his little joke on.	Oct 25 19:30
twitter	It should not take long but I’m doing other things too.	Oct 25 19:31
twitter	One of the cool things about free software is how easy it is to rebuild a system without data loss.	Oct 25 19:31
VIPPER	data loss?	Oct 25 19:32
VIPPER	oh, you mean reinstall a system right?	Oct 25 19:32
VIPPER	I was thinking about recompiling the system	Oct 25 19:32
schestowitz	Just leave /home in tact	Oct 25 19:34
schestowitz	I never had to reinstalled a distro, unless my hard-drive died.	Oct 25 19:35
schestowitz	*reinatll	Oct 25 19:35
twitter	Whatever nasty _Doug pulled changed my courser and icons for gaim. This was persistent for a new temporary user. That’s kind of in my face cracking.	Oct 25 19:37
twitter	I’m being paranoid moved my home directory from user to user_old and will move selected stuff.	Oct 25 19:37
twitter	That and redoing my binaries should do the trick.	Oct 25 19:38
twitter		Oct 25 19:38
schestowitz	Gaim does not tolerate a EULA.	Oct 25 19:39
twitter	Like I said, I never saw the first byte of that file.	Oct 25 19:39
schestowitz	I received some E-mails about the BB articles.	Oct 25 19:40
twitter	from who?	Oct 25 19:41
schestowitz	One of them asks what motivated his to write about it.	Oct 25 19:41
schestowitz	PJ	Oct 25 19:41
twitter	PJ will have to ask BB about that.	Oct 25 19:41
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twitter	aha, now I see vipper’s comments. I’m not sure what they had to do with the subject at hand. It is interesting that he chose the manufacturing abuse article right after we discussed them and I added Fred’s story, without discussion.	Oct 25 19:58
schestowitz	http://en.wikipedia.org/wi…	Oct 25 20:01
schestowitz	http://www.thevarguy.com/2008/10/24/li… “The VAR Guy predicted in July that Netbooks running Linux would proliferate the market. It’s already happening.”	Oct 25 20:01
schestowitz	Microsoft Sends Windows to the Emergency Room < http://www.microsoft-watch.com/content/secur… >	Oct 25 20:02
schestowitz	iPhone 2.x Beats Windows Mobile 6.x into Coma < http://www.microsoft-watch.com/content/desktop_mobi… >	Oct 25 20:03
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ZiggyFish1	http://www.itnews.com.au/News/NewsStor… – very interesting	Oct 25 20:40
schestowitz	I saw it the other day.	Oct 25 20:42
schestowitz	http://www.ibtimes.com/prnews/20081024/wa-mic…	Oct 25 20:43
schestowitz	I’m actually writing about this at the moment, so this article you link to would be a good addition, thanks.	Oct 25 20:43
ZiggyFish1	np	Oct 25 20:55
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schestowitz	It’s hilarious to see this anti-Linux man trying to sneak out of this one: http://byrondennis.typepad.com/it_investment_rese…	Oct 25 21:37
schestowitz	LOL “Sorry you don’t get the point of the footnote but the whole OSF/Minix/ACC Corp/GNU/Apache/OSDL/Linux Foundation thing is a little bit too complex for a blog post… And yes, of course it is an opinion. That’s what a blog is” < http://byrondennis.typepad.com/it_… >	Oct 25 21:38
schestowitz	The whole blog has been filled with some Linux obsession recently. Odd that one…	Oct 25 21:39
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schestowitz	Zombie PCs: ‘Time to infection is less than five minutes’ : http://blogs.zdnet.com/gadgetreviews/?p=441	Oct 25 22:20
twitter	Somethings never change	Oct 25 22:21
twitter	Holy crap though, they quote a M$ person! ” “The mean time to infection is less than five minutes,” said Richie Lai, who is part of Microsoft’s Internet Safety Enforcement Team”	Oct 25 22:23
twitter	About time they admitted the problem.	Oct 25 22:24
schestowitz	prepare for them to say that other platforms are “Equally Bad”^TM	Oct 25 22:24
twitter	First comment, http://talkback.zdnet.com/5208-13615-0.html…	Oct 25 22:25
twitter	“One word: Linux.”	Oct 25 22:25
twitter	ha ha	Oct 25 22:26
twitter	Too bad the computer experts at ZDNet did not think of that.	Oct 25 22:26
twitter	Anyone who comes close to M$ is constrained by the Channel 9 Rules.	Oct 25 22:27
twitter	I’m sorry, “Doctrine”	Oct 25 22:27
schestowitz	Loads of replies	Oct 25 22:28
twitter	Rules 6,7,8 ” Don’t shock the system. Lasting change only happens in baby steps.	Oct 25 22:28
twitter	Know when to turn the mic off. There are some topics which will only result in problems when you discuss them. This has nothing to do with censorship, but with working within the reality of the system that exists in our world today. You will not change anything by taking on legal or financial issues, you will only shock the system, spook the passengers, and create a negative situation.	Oct 25 22:28
twitter	Don’t be a jerk. Nobody likes mean people.”	Oct 25 22:28
twitter	LOL	Oct 25 22:28
schestowitz	http://talkback.zdnet.com/5208-13615-0.h… “No.”	Oct 25 22:28
twitter	working within the reality of the system.	Oct 25 22:29
twitter	wtf does working within the reality of the system mean?	Oct 25 22:29
twitter	If you say “freedom” Vista implodes?	Oct 25 22:29
schestowitz	http://www.wired.com/techbiz/medi…	Oct 25 22:30
schestowitz	“The author of the email, posted on ZDNet in a Talkback forum on the Microsoft antitrust trial, claimed her name was Michelle Bradley and that she had “retired” from Microsoft last week.”	Oct 25 22:31
schestowitz	““A verbal memo [no email allowed] was passed around the MS campus encouraging MS employee’s to post to ZDNet articles like this one,” the email said.”	Oct 25 22:31
schestowitz	““The theme is ‘Microsoft is responsible for all good things in computerdom.’ The government has no right to prevent MS from doing anything. Period. The ‘memo’ suggests we use fictional names and state and to identify ourselves as students,” the author claimed.”	Oct 25 22:31
schestowitz	twitter: you have got to step your multi-nym thing in Slashdot.	Oct 25 22:31
schestowitz	People use you to discredit BN	Oct 25 22:32
schestowitz	They do this in Linux.com (mentioning your Slashdot situation) to accuse /me/ of being dishonest. There is also libel there related to this.	Oct 25 22:32
twitter	are you dishonest?	Oct 25 22:35
twitter	I don’t think so.	Oct 25 22:35
twitter	point to the Linux.com stuff please.	Oct 25 22:36
schestowitz	Hmmmm… ECT has begun buying article from the FAIR USE-hostile AP. That’s not good… < http://www.linuxinsider.com/r… >	Oct 25 22:36
schestowitz	It’s at that ‘article’ they posted.They sure got a lot of traffic and comments for aggravating BN (more than any article there). I apologised for the flak Bruce was getting in the past (I get mine too). Controversies are hard to avoid when discussing lesser-technical matters, but as I’ve said many times before, his technical articles are good..	Oct 25 22:37
schestowitz	The scope of the Web site has changed and I knew that once we verged past Novell and onto Microsoft angles then the “Microsoft hater” label will kick into play.	Oct 25 22:39
twitter	You are surprised your trolls and mine have feasted onto Linux.com?	Oct 25 22:39
schestowitz	Well, my participation in BN was conceived, at least in part, in response to coordinated smears and cyber-bullying against myself and people whom I know (lots and lots of libel). I used to write just technical stuff (mostly advocacy related). Later I explored where the attacks came from. This included attacks through my peers and bosses at the time. People like Guttman and Quinn might have something to add because there is a patter	Oct 25 22:39
schestowitz	n here.	Oct 25 22:39
schestowitz	This is what gave me passion to drop my job and study this deeply, but the pursuit for answers is one thing.	Oct 25 22:40
schestowitz	The other component was manipulation not just by Microsoft; manipulation of press, formal bodies, governmental positions/panels, parliament and so forth. It’s everywhere. I knew how to find the information, so I could share it. Novell was part of this, with involvement by other companies (it’s a long story).	Oct 25 22:40
schestowitz	It represented an attempt to bypass technical merits and harm Free software in newer, more ‘innovative’ ways.	Oct 25 22:40
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schestowitz	http://boycottnovell.com/comes-vs-m…	Oct 25 22:41
schestowitz	interesting transcript of iowa TP011207 < http://boycottnovell.com/comes-vs-m… > .. Microsoft calls developers “pawns”… you brought this up the other day…	Oct 25 22:41
schestowitz	Microsoft Patents Adding ‘www.’ And ‘.com’ To Text: http://techdirt.com/articles/20…	Oct 25 22:44
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twitter	I’m not worried about Slashdot trolls. The more they beat on me, the more people know I’ve hit a nerve.	Oct 25 22:51
twitter	Google sends them to me http://slashdot.org/~SockDisclos…	Oct 25 22:51
schestowitz	Multiple nyms are against the rules.	Oct 25 22:53
twitter	Who’s rules?	Oct 25 22:53
twitter	For the last time, I’m not going to let these asses limit me to 2 posts a day and I am going to disrupt their troll threads.	Oct 25 22:54
schestowitz	Whoa. a Delay /much/ bigger than first imagined… Xbox Live Primetime Delayed until 2009 < http://www.pcworld.com/article/152780/mic… >. Vapourwar. Who are they kidding? XBox 360 victims (are we THERE yet?)	Oct 25 22:54
twitter	You just let some vipper post here under two nyms. Why give me a hard time?	Oct 25 22:55
twitter	It’s clear you don’t approve of some of the things I do on slashdot. Let’s just agree to disagree.	Oct 25 22:56
schestowitz	twitter: my main problem is that people attribute what you do there to me. It’s smear by association, which I find appalling, but still…	Oct 25 23:00
twitter	Yeah, yeah, and BB is trying to smear PJ with you.	Oct 25 23:01
twitter	And both BB and the others are lying.	Oct 25 23:03
schestowitz	Consider the time *nix users save on reboots and security headaches… http://www.roughlydrafted.com/2008/10/22/sf-chronicles…	Oct 25 23:03
schestowitz	Yes, that’s the thing.	Oct 25 23:03
schestowitz	They try to ‘source’ the smear from somewhere.	Oct 25 23:04
twitter	They put a nice touch on the twitter smear post and used a Cox IP address. Nothing there at the moment of course.	Oct 25 23:09
twitter	It was probably done by botnet.	Oct 25 23:10
schestowitz	http://reddevil62-techhead.blogspo…	Oct 25 23:11
schestowitz	“Hi Steve, Ciaran O’Riordan here. A friend passed me this link and I found it very interesting but have some thoughts about approach. One is that it read like an accepted fact that “Pirated software [...] costs Microsoft millions of dollars”, but that’s only if we assume that it’s Microsoft’s money, and if Russia doesn’t buy Microsoft software it then must “owe” money to Microsoft.”	Oct 25 23:11
schestowitz	It seems like a campaign to clean up people’s language, which is good. people’s vocabulary got contaminated for a purpose by moguls and monopolists	Oct 25 23:12
twitter	So PJ wrote you. Did she give you trouble about guilt by association or was she supportive?	Oct 25 23:18
schestowitz	http://www.grain.org/i/?id=38 “The actors that put the resistance up were programmers that decided to have their own code, their own operational system. Richard Stallman, the founder of the movement, defines the GNU/Linux operational system as “our land in the cyberspace”. The actors that put the resistance up were programmers that decided to have their own code, their own operational system. Richard Stallman, the founder of the mo	Oct 25 23:19
schestowitz	vement, defines the GNU/Linux operational system as “our land in the cyberspace”. “	Oct 25 23:19
schestowitz	No, supportive.	Oct 25 23:20
schestowitz	BB gave GL mflak in the past	Oct 25 23:20
twitter	Yes, I remember that rant about “semi professionals” with all sorts of other name calling. BB does a lot of that.	Oct 25 23:21
schestowitz	Can you please find this again?	Oct 25 23:21
schestowitz	I might want to have this off-hand.	Oct 25 23:21
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schestowitz	It’s the hypocrisy that’s a killer here. Like he’s a mighty journalist and all else are peons. He actually reiterates that statement too… in footers… in articles… Jack Luftus used to do the same thing, but he hasn’t been around for a while.	Oct 25 23:22
*schestowitz think PetoKraus restarts X server again.		Oct 25 23:23
schestowitz	http://www.stallman.org/archives/2008-… “Support the Atheist Bus Campaign, putting ads for atheism on buses in London.”	Oct 25 23:24
schestowitz	http://www.justgiving.com/atheistbus	Oct 25 23:25
PetoKraus	schestowitz: yes, i did	Oct 25 23:25
schestowitz	http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/oc… : US election: Republican operative faces voter registration fraud charges	Oct 25 23:26
schestowitz	“The arrest comes after McCain and running mate Sarah Palin attempted to tie Barack Obama’s campaign to Acorn, playing up a federal investigation of the group’s voter registration tactics in several states.”	Oct 25 23:26
schestowitz	http://www.stallman.org/archives/2008-jul-oct.html… “Deregulation produced the current financial crisis. Now the banks will lobby against the regulations we need to prevent the next financial crisis. This includes regulation of energy trading.”	Oct 25 23:27
schestowitz	The great green electricity con ; http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/…	Oct 25 23:28
schestowitz	WTF? Libel against Prof. Lessig: [Random-bits] U.S. Publishers lobby Obama — against Larry Lessig : http://lists.essential.org/pipermail/ran…	Oct 25 23:33
twitter	Lessig stands for freedom, he will be attacked.	Oct 25 23:34
schestowitz	I spoke to Glyn about this: http://www.computerworlduk.com/com… . He doesn’t know yet that Intel and Microsoft have plans…	Oct 25 23:36
schestowitz	Look at this photo: http://notnews.today.com/2008/10/22/mccai…	Oct 25 23:40
schestowitz	This site is funny. Alan Greenspan: “whoops sorry lol” < http://notnews.today.com/2008/10/24/a… >	Oct 25 23:41
twitter	there are hundreds of hit matches for BB and Boycott Novell. This one was one of the worst http://bruce…	Oct 25 23:46
twitter	dinner time	Oct 25 23:46