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10.25.08

IRC: #boycottnovell @ FreeNode: October 25th, 2008

Posted in IRC Logs at 7:50 pm by Dr. Roy Schestowitz

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twitter hi ho Oct 25 01:23
schestowitz Coming tomorrow: Microsoft’s ‘reality check’ financial report. Oct 25 01:24
twitter I think I’ll write a summary of the case against Novell.  Sort of an introduction.  It should not be too hard because all the work has already been done. Oct 25 01:25
schestowitz Please do. Oct 25 01:25
schestowitz Some people ask for it… even in Linux.com Oct 25 01:25
twitter Give me a day or two and I’ll have it. Oct 25 01:25
schestowitz Although books are a thing of the past, a book could be composed about it too. Oct 25 01:26
twitter We can bounce it back and forth, get it nice and concise. Oct 25 01:26
schestowitz I already have summaries. Oct 25 01:26
schestowitz Not up to date though… Oct 25 01:26
twitter Sure, I’ll look around and string them into a quickie.  Something to frame M$’s pervasive influence and behavior and how that is all exhibited in the Novell deal. Oct 25 01:28
schestowitz People don’t read though. Oct 25 01:28
schestowitz They view pictures and big fonts. Oct 25 01:28
twitter That’s why I’ll make it short, using lots of links.  I don’t have to explain why software patents suck because RMS has done it very well. Oct 25 01:29
twitter The most important parts come from M$ and Novell executives.  Their own words reveal what they are doing. Oct 25 01:30
schestowitz Yes Oct 25 01:30
schestowitz Peace of mind. Oct 25 01:30
schestowitz “They have obligation to compensate us” Oct 25 01:30
twitter There’s a whole string of lies that goes into non free software.  The obligation to compensate is one M$ tells others.  Internally, they know they exist through ownership and force. Oct 25 01:32
twitter They have destroyed other people’s works again and again. Oct 25 01:34
schestowitz OLPC Oct 25 01:34
twitter Netscape Oct 25 01:34
twitter Correll Oct 25 01:34
twitter Word Perfect’s various owners Oct 25 01:34
twitter Digital Research Oct 25 01:35
twitter DOS Backup companies. Oct 25 01:35
schestowitz Yes, I think it’s all in Wikipedia. Oct 25 01:35
schestowitz Also ‘Old’ Novell. Oct 25 01:35
twitter Santa Cruz Operation Oct 25 01:35
twitter Sun Oct 25 01:35
twitter all proprietary Unix Oct 25 01:36
schestowitz Not AIX. Oct 25 01:36
schestowitz or HPUX Oct 25 01:36
twitter yet Oct 25 01:36
twitter They are happy to let GNU/Linux eat away at them. Oct 25 01:37
twitter If they could, they would own GNU/Linux. Oct 25 01:37
schestowitz You can’t own iot. Oct 25 01:38
schestowitz With patents, however, they hope to make pet Linux/es and own *that*… Oct 25 01:38
schestowitz …in the ‘intellectual’ sense of course Oct 25 01:38
twitter They hope to tax it anyway they can. Oct 25 01:38
twitter Being able to charge everyone for software you did not write is as good as owning it. Oct 25 01:39
schestowitz This has two effects. Oct 25 01:39
twitter The SCO case was about claiming ownership and smearing free software. Oct 25 01:39
twitter The Novell deal is about claiming ownership. Oct 25 01:39
schestowitz A point that I try to get across is this: They win because: 1) Linux gets expensive, i.e. less attractive; 2) Microsoft makes money also when the rival makes sales. Oct 25 01:40
twitter They keep telling the same lie again and again. Oct 25 01:40
schestowitz Novell is also about APIs Oct 25 01:40
twitter What does Novell have that’s special? Oct 25 01:40
schestowitz If the world chooses Java and ODF, then Microsoft can use Novell to push patches for OOXML and build/rebuild Linux with the Microsoft API (patent-burdened) Oct 25 01:40
schestowitz Novell? Nothing. Oct 25 01:41
schestowitz They have S.u.S.E., which was special. Oct 25 01:41
twitter I don’t see what advantage OOXML and other M$ patented things would be in Novell if everyone else was using ODF and Java. Oct 25 01:42
twitter Ultimately M$ has to claim ownership to basic operations that everyone else needs or they lose. Oct 25 01:43
twitter Novell has pretended that there is something like that M$ has. Oct 25 01:44
schestowitz To Novell, it’s about keeping a rope for money Oct 25 01:44
schestowitz Novell earns nothing practical from this.. just bribes to carry on doing damage to ODF and open technologies. Oct 25 01:44
schestowitz The dangerous pretense at Novell is that it has an upper hand over Microsoft. Oct 25 01:45
schestowitz One version of the story (from Novell) is that Novell is scared of Novell patents. Another is that Novell is paid /by/ Microsoft for its sales. Another is that Microsoft ‘surrendered’ to Novell and that it’s a ‘win for Linux’ Oct 25 01:46
twitter Yes, they have foolishly contradicted themselves. Oct 25 01:46
schestowitz I wanted to think it was a win for Linux in November 2nd-3rd 2006. Then I read Bruce Perens’ analysis, about patents and all… Oct 25 01:46
twitter The M$ and Novell stories don’t jibe.  It should be easy to put them up next to each other. Oct 25 01:47
schestowitz It’s disinformation. That’s the danger. Oct 25 01:47
twitter Like I said, give me a couple of days to work on it. Oct 25 01:48
schestowitz GN Oct 25 01:50
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schestowitz http://lxer.com/module/forums/t/27981/ “The late, lamented US magazine “Brill’s Content” had a big article on Microsoft’s policies and actions regarding reporters.” Oct 25 08:34
schestowitz “Too bad that isn’t on-line anymore. Made my hair curl. In the late 90s, MSFT and Wagg-Ed had a huge dossier on apparently every reporter in the computer news biz. And they actively courted them.” Oct 25 08:34
schestowitz “This sort of thing, in combination with the fairly-well documented astroturfing that MSFT does, and the perhaps more arguable and murkier shilling, makes it a bit difficult to *not* feel paranoid about MSFT. After all, they’ve had as much as $40 BILLION in cash reserves.” Oct 25 08:34
schestowitz Expect more zombies (compromised without intervention): http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/10/24… – Trojan attacks Microsoft’s emergency patch vuln Oct 25 08:38
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schestowitz Microsoft’s security headache and more baloney to hide corruption < http://www.pcworld.com/article/1… > “Greenspan, Cox tell Congress that bad data hurt Wall Street’s computer models: Insufficient and faulty data used in risk management models contributed to the financial mess embroiling the U.S. and rippling across the globe, said former U.S. Federal Reserve Chairman Alan Greenspan.” Oct 25 12:23
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_Doug votes recorded incorrectly because of alignment error .. Oct 25 14:30
_Doug http://news.slashdot.org/news/08/1… Oct 25 14:31
_Doug 1 + 1 = 2 .. how difficult is it to program that correctly ? Oct 25 14:31
schestowitz :-) Oct 25 14:32
schestowitz If it’s a close race, then this could get ugly. Oct 25 14:32
_Doug no papere trail ? Oct 25 14:32
schestowitz There should be. Oct 25 14:32
schestowitz People have talked about these issues for over a year. Were lessons leaned? Oct 25 14:33
_Doug or at least a write once medium .. Oct 25 14:33
_Doug the efficiency of the market :) Oct 25 14:33
schestowitz You see, aoscial engineering I can understand… Oct 25 14:33
schestowitz Like of the system allowed through loopholes for people to vote twice under different identities. Oct 25 14:34
schestowitz But to just digitally count votes on a machines? C’mon. Oct 25 14:34
_Doug A polymer/semiconductor write-once read-many-times memory .. Oct 25 14:34
_Doug http://cat.inist.fr/?aModele=a… Oct 25 14:34
schestowitz Disablement by design. Oct 25 14:35
schestowitz Like old CD-ROM (R-only) Oct 25 14:35
_Doug SCO litigation PLC to rise from the dead .. Oct 25 14:38
_Doug http://www.groklaw.net/article.ph… Oct 25 14:38
*schestowitz looks Oct 25 14:45
schestowitz Oh, *that* Oct 25 14:45
schestowitz I was more fascinated by Intel’s SCO lifeline. Oct 25 14:45
_Doug The CPA strikes again .. Oct 25 14:45
_Doug http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_pol… Oct 25 14:45
schestowitz Do SCO run their garbage on Intel servers at all? Oct 25 14:45
_Doug http://www.c2000.com/fun/gatespie.htm Oct 25 14:45
schestowitz Cute. What did he do? Oct 25 14:46
schestowitz Phil Woolas… let’s see… Oct 25 14:46
schestowitz “The No Borders group, which campaigns against immigration controls, were angered by Mr Woolas’ recent remarks, in which he said the government would not allow the UK’s population to rise as high as 70 million.” Oct 25 14:47
_Doug We cannot collect uptime data for SCO UNIX. FAQ. Oct 25 14:47
_Doug http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?sit… Oct 25 14:47
schestowitz Maybe they still run GNU/Linux? Oct 25 14:47
schestowitz Wow. Their homepage is PageRank 4 now. Oct 25 14:47
schestowitz It’s like they are some startuo. Oct 25 14:48
schestowitz Well, they don’t use Windows. Oct 25 14:49
schestowitz The site is case-sensitive. Oct 25 14:49
schestowitz http://www.sco.com/scosource/gnu_license.html Oct 25 14:49
_Doug ot: Mandelson .. the next Bond villian ? Oct 25 14:52
_Doug http://uk.reuters.com/article/domest… Oct 25 14:52
schestowitz There’s a pie pic of BillG in microsoft.com also: http://img99.imageshack.us/my.php?im… Oct 25 14:53
schestowitz https://secure.gn.apc.org/members/www.bild… Oct 25 14:54
schestowitz Oct 25 14:54
schestowitz Bilderberg member and recently appointed UK Business Secretary Peter Mandelson argued last week that new global solutions are needed because “the machinery of global economic governance barely exists”-, adding: “It is time for a Bretton Woods for this century,”- reports the Telegraph, noting that “Opinion is now hardening around the case for a new global architecture to enforce rules that ensure lessons are learnt.”- “ Oct 25 14:54
_Doug a new world order .. a global government .. run by and on behalf of the multi-nationals .. Oct 25 14:55
schestowitz Well, I don’t know about it. Oct 25 14:56
_Doug woudn’t be a half-bad idea ? Oct 25 14:56
schestowitz A friend of mine reckons that the current economic climate will be used to justify a global currency. Oct 25 14:56
_Doug no – they need differing currencies to trade in and make a profit .. Oct 25 14:56
_Doug as well as regions of differing GDP .. Oct 25 14:57
schestowitz That too. There’s little commission that way. Oct 25 14:57
_Doug it strikes me that market capitalism acts as if there was an infinite amount of resources Oct 25 14:58
_Doug and we’re just about to run out .. Oct 25 14:58
_Doug example: Oct 25 14:58
_Doug There are areas of the Amazon cleared to grow corn to feed to chickens here in the UK, so as we can have corn fed chicken, all year round .. Oct 25 14:59
schestowitz Cap-it-alize Oct 25 14:59
schestowitz No Cap. Oct 25 14:59
_Doug The waste in resources to achieve this must be huge .. Oct 25 14:59
schestowitz This is related to environmental issues, of course. Oct 25 14:59
schestowitz I still think that birth control is needed to prevent wars over water and food. Oct 25 15:00
_Doug All so as I can year round out-of-season foods in Sainsburys . Oct 25 15:00
schestowitz Yes. Oct 25 15:00
schestowitz Sometimes Spain though. Oct 25 15:00
schestowitz They won’t grow pineapple in the UK, will they? ;-) Oct 25 15:01
_Doug flying in exotic foods from Thailand – FLYING !! Oct 25 15:01
schestowitz Sugar… coffee… Oct 25 15:01
schestowitz Well, _Doug, chicken can fly. Oct 25 15:01
twitter “Insufficient and faulty data used in risk management models”  Software == Scapegoat. Oct 25 15:01
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_Doug http://www.psfk.com/2008/05/ramsay-… Oct 25 15:02
_Doug twitter: ? wha ? Oct 25 15:02
schestowitz We’ll live. :-) Oct 25 15:02
schestowitz That’s peanuts, not fruit. Oct 25 15:02
schestowitz _Doug: he replies to something I wrote before you came. Oct 25 15:02
_Doug only with a parachute  :) Oct 25 15:02
schestowitz schestowitz> Microsoft’s security headache and more baloney to hide corruption < http://www.pcworld.com/article/1… > “Greenspan, Cox tell Congress that bad data hurt Wall Street’s computer models: Insufficient and faulty data used in risk management models contributed to the financial mess embroiling the U.S. and rippling across the globe, said former U.S. Federal Reserve Chairman Alan Greenspan.” Oct 25 15:03
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schestowitz “Fruit and veg should be seasonal,” he said. “Chefs should be fined if they haven’t got ingredients in season on their menu. I don’t want to see asparagus on in the middle of December. I don’t want to see strawberries from Kenya in the middle of March. I want to see it home grown.” Oct 25 15:03
schestowitz Finally. /boundaries/. Oct 25 15:04
_Doug The Black Scholes equation .. a three card trick .. in my portfolio .. I have nothing of value at all :) Oct 25 15:04
twitter “Trojan attacks Microsoft’s emergency patch vuln”  Like I said, people can auto generate exploits based on the patches.  Every script kiddie will use it and they will get there before M$ can roll the patch out to everyone.  Centralization, FAIL. Oct 25 15:04
schestowitz They should tell Windows users to maybe shut down their machines or work without a connection for a while. Even strong firewalls won’t do in this case. Oct 25 15:06
twitter Yeah, I’m catching up.  Greenspan was blaming computer models.  Garbage in Garbage out.  The people running the models certainly knew what they were doing and should not blame computers for their greed. Oct 25 15:06
_Doug What’s amazing is that MS has made ‘viruses’ normal .. Oct 25 15:06
schestowitz I had a machine port-scan me this morning. Oct 25 15:07
twitter People should never use Windoze. Oct 25 15:07
schestowitz Service: 8786, UDP.. Oct 25 15:07
schestowitz The “Big Machines” (think Bush) maybe had a virus, so they miscalculated the models. Oct 25 15:08
twitter There are only a few niches where you really need it.  Everyone else should be moving away as fast as they can. Oct 25 15:08
_Doug I get it all the time .. from compromised machines in JP or south america .. testing old windows exploits .. Oct 25 15:08
twitter I’m interested on the late 90′s WE reporter dossiers.  Recently, a reporter was handed his file by mistake and was upset to see how he had been manipulated. Oct 25 15:12
twitter It’s hard to find references to either event. Oct 25 15:13
schestowitz twitter: Was it Dan Rather? Oct 25 15:14
schestowitz Mary Jo knows about it… whoever it was, she spoke to him and I have the reference at hand somewhere in BN. Oct 25 15:14
twitter got one http://boycottnovell.com/2008/0… Oct 25 15:15
schestowitz Ah. Dan Gilmore. Oct 25 15:18
schestowitz I’m doing a series about his interviews… posted the first one in BN earlier…  http://boycottnovell.com/2008/10/25/mo… (at the bottom) Oct 25 15:19
schestowitz It comes in about 20 parts, which I enjoy watching and I have lined up for the next groupings of linkls. Oct 25 15:20
schestowitz In this part < http://www.archive.org/details/e-dv… > he explains why he doesn’t like Microsoft’s practices and he also say that China probably collaborates with Microsoft to bake in surveillance into Windows. Oct 25 15:20
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_Doug what just happened ? Oct 25 15:27
schestowitz You dropped offline Oct 25 15:28
_Doug me no .. everyone dropped off and re-joined … Oct 25 15:31
schestowitz Just you then. Oct 25 15:33
twitter Fred Vogelstein Oct 25 15:34
schestowitz Or maybe a few others (nothing seen here other than you dropped for a minute). Oct 25 15:34
schestowitz Who’s that, twitter? Oct 25 15:34
twitter That’s who got sent his file. Oct 25 15:34
twitter March 27, 2007 Oct 25 15:34
schestowitz What’s the URL? Oct 25 15:34
schestowitz It’s worth kicking around again now that people forgot all about it. Oct 25 15:34
twitter http://blog.wired.com/business/200… Oct 25 15:35
_Doug DotHill patents mirrored posted-write RAID system .. Oct 25 15:35
_Doug http://www.datastorageconnection.com/article.mvc… Oct 25 15:35
twitter That’s not something from the late 90′s Oct 25 15:35
schestowitz When it’s brought up, the Munckins say that “everyone is doing it” Oct 25 15:35
schestowitz It’s the “they are equally evil”-type defence. Oct 25 15:35
twitter Everyone they know, sure. Oct 25 15:35
twitter Fuckers. Oct 25 15:35
schestowitz *sleep* Language advosory. Oct 25 15:36
schestowitz “Hey AC – You probably ought to read the post more carefully before you drop into attack dog mode. It addresses both issues you have. … Posted by: Fred Vogelstein | Mar 29, 2007 12:35:55 PM” Oct 25 15:36
_Doug Qualcomm sued over procuring patents .. Oct 25 15:37
_Doug http://www.ibtimes.com/prnews/20081… Oct 25 15:37
twitter Trolls lie in your face.  It wastes your time and they can claim “the community” debunked you in your face. Oct 25 15:37
schestowitz Watch the number  of spam comments. Oct 25 15:38
schestowitz “Waggener Edstrom President Frank Shaw’s post on the Wired story and on the memo is up.” Oct 25 15:39
_Doug Klausner Technologies patents visual voicemail .. Oct 25 15:39
_Doug http://www.nytimes.com/external/idg/200… Oct 25 15:39
schestowitz Spies. Waggener Edstrom President Frank Shaw’s post on the Wired story and on the memo is up. Oct 25 15:40
schestowitz http://www.wired.com/wired/archiv… Oct 25 15:40
schestowitz Could I post this as text? I assume no copyrights on that.. Oct 25 15:40
-_Doug-DCC Chat () Oct 25 15:47
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*DCC CHAT to _Doug aborted. Oct 25 15:47
_Doug ping schestowitz .. Oct 25 15:47
schestowitz I don’t know how to handle DDC Oct 25 15:47
-_Doug-DCC Chat () Oct 25 15:48
*Received a DCC CHAT offer from _Doug Oct 25 15:48
_Doug chat .. Oct 25 15:48
schestowitz Won’t work. Oct 25 15:48
*DCC CHAT to _Doug aborted. Oct 25 15:48
twitter What is DDC and where do you find it? Oct 25 15:49
_Doug is an option in Mirc to send files .. ? Oct 25 15:51
schestowitz Which file is it? Oct 25 15:52
_Doug not a file .. trying to do a private chat .. check your email .. Oct 25 15:52
twitter What is the Eula.txt you are trying to send me? Oct 25 15:54
schestowitz Thanks. Oct 25 15:54
schestowitz Either way, I was hoping for the raw leaked document Oct 25 15:54
schestowitz The one in Wired is edited by them, so it’s original work, I guess. Oct 25 15:55
twitter _Doug, It is not working, so I’m going to kill the transfer. Oct 25 15:55
schestowitz http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=mozclie… – 5 results. Oct 25 15:55
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schestowitz There is also ma John Gilmore. Oct 25 15:56
schestowitz http://www.groklaw.net/articlebasic.php?st… “point is, that John Gilmore had almost definitely been exposed to Unix source code at that time.” Oct 25 15:56
schestowitz http://www.groklaw.net/articlebasic.php?st… “Dan Gilmore puts it bluntly:” Oct 25 15:57
_Doug twitter: just a test .. you did ask what DDC was for .. for sending people viruses I think .. not that I am attempting to :) Oct 25 15:58
schestowitz “”That doesn’t excuse the DDOS, but it does say something about SCO’s credibility, not for the first time. SCO and its senior executives have shown themselves to be willing to stretch, if not snap, the truth — such as Darl McBride’s ridiculously inaccurate meanderings about copyright law, as Larry Lessig has picked apart in some detail.” Oct 25 15:58
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twitter Wow, that was nasty. Oct 25 15:59
twitter WTF? Oct 25 15:59
_Doug I do recall seeing the original somewhere .. in the COMES v Microsoft docs or on Groklaw ? Oct 25 15:59
_Doug twitter: is a little joke .. never accept files from strangers .. Oct 25 15:59
twitter I’m not laughing. Oct 25 15:59
_Doug you’re not using windows are you ? Oct 25 16:00
twitter You know exactly what I’m using. Oct 25 16:00
twitter Tell me some more. Oct 25 16:00
_Doug I tried to do a private chat with Schozwitz .. that’s all .. Oct 25 16:01
twitter You sent me something labeled Eula.txt that crashed my gaim session. Oct 25 16:02
twitter Why don’t you gloat about what it did. Oct 25 16:02
_Doug sorry: you did ask what DCC was for .. just did a demo .. it’s a text file on this here computer .. Oct 25 16:03
twitter sure, I never saw the first byte. Oct 25 16:03
schestowitz Never sign a Yoola. Oct 25 16:04
twitter I never see them. Oct 25 16:04
_Doug “SYSINTERNALS SOFTWARE LICENSE TERMS ..” Oct 25 16:04
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schestowitz Isn’t it owned by the Vole now? They bought them out. Oct 25 16:09
schestowitz And recently I discovered that they are responsible for some of the Big Lies about Linux (the “MINIX fork” thing). Oct 25 16:09
twitter Well _Doug, I’ll never take another file from you and think you should be booted for your “joke” Oct 25 16:09
schestowitz Novell seems angry? “Did you, you know, bother to contact Novell for comment, or just feel that it was appropriate to highlight an attack site against the company without giving anyone at the company the opportunity to respond?” < http://www.linux.com/feature/151215#commentthis > Oct 25 16:10
schestowitz The term “attack site” seems to have originated from Microsoft Munchkins, but maybe it’s just a generic term. Oct 25 16:11
_Doug twitter: it’s a plain text file .. Oct 25 16:11
twitter The Munchinks always portray themselves as victims. Oct 25 16:11
schestowitz brb Oct 25 16:12
_Doug twitter: you try and send me a file .. Oct 25 16:12
_Doug twitter: are you using Gaim for this chat ? Oct 25 16:15
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twitter :) Oct 25 16:27
_Doug “Fred has been asking repeated questions about whether other executives were involved to give the green light on these projects, in particular Brad Smith from a legal review. We have said all along that no such conversations took place” Oct 25 16:29
twitter Fred who?  I missed a little thanks to a “joke” Oct 25 16:32
_Doug http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/… Oct 25 16:33
schestowitz I’ve just linked to the PDF and blog post from this new one: http://boycottnovell.com/2008/1… Oct 25 16:37
schestowitz I relate this to Maureen O’Gara, who loves to slam RMS and cover Novell stuff positively. She was with W.E. Oct 25 16:37
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schestowitz I’m off for a couple of hours (gym) Oct 25 16:40
_Doug ahh back again .. Oct 25 16:40
_Doug ok .. see ya tomorrow .. Oct 25 16:41
trmanco http://labs.google.com/inquotes/ Oct 25 16:41
schestowitz Bruce: “Yes, in the past I have attacked Boycott Novell because of what I perceived as attempts to attack me.” Oct 25 16:41
_Doug did you notice everyone droppong off ? Oct 25 16:41
schestowitz They caught him for his history against me Oct 25 16:41
_Doug twitter: DCC send is blocked here by the filewall .. can’t send any files by IRC .. therefore I didn’t crash your Gasim session .. Oct 25 16:42
twitter BB? Oct 25 16:43
twitter never mind, go to the gym.  I’m looking more into this Channel 9 farce.  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chan…) Oct 25 16:44
twitter ” Channel 9′s intention was created by a group of Microsoft employees to provide unfiltered access to the development teams outside of the control of marketing and PR. “ Oct 25 16:44
twitter Now I understand why Fred thought getting his dossier was intentional. Oct 25 16:45
twitter and how damaging such manipulation was in connection with Channel 9. Oct 25 16:45
_Doug if only they expended as much effort on fixing the code .. Oct 25 16:46
twitter ” Channel 9 is not a marketing tool, not a PR tool, not a lead generation tool.”  LOL Oct 25 16:46
twitter BN is all about keeping the bastards from breaking other people’s code. Oct 25 16:49
twitter their crappy code is defective by design. Oct 25 16:50
_Doug “the Protocol Freedom Information Foundation, a non-profit organization created by the Software Freedom Law Center and Microsoft” Oct 25 16:50
_Doug :) Oct 25 16:50
_Doug http://port25.technet.com/archiv… Oct 25 16:50
_Doug it’s like when the refer to the peoples democratic republic .. really meaning the dictators undemocratic dictatorship :) Oct 25 16:51
twitter M$ could be cooperative but they won’t be.  They invent protocols and formats instead of using better free ones. Oct 25 16:57
_Doug pollute the protocols .. Oct 25 16:58
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schestowitz Peter galli. Oct 25 16:58
schestowitz The shill is in the house. Oct 25 16:58
schestowitz http://boycottnovell.com/200… Oct 25 16:59
schestowitz Now they’ll say I just ‘attack’ things. Oct 25 16:59
schestowitz http://boycottnovell.com/2007/… Oct 25 16:59
schestowitz http://port25.technet.com/m… :  Member since:   10-02-2008 Oct 25 17:00
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schestowitz BBL Oct 25 17:01
PetoKraus bb Oct 25 17:01
_Doug Microsoft to buy the NBA ? Oct 25 17:05
_Doug http://www.thenewstribune.com/sp… Oct 25 17:05
_Doug Daniel Lyons: Why Is Jerry Yang Still in Charge? Oct 25 17:09
_Doug http://www.newsweek.com/id/164493 Oct 25 17:09
_Doug is this an example of shilling ? Oct 25 17:09
_Doug .Mr Ballmer, speaking at a technology conference in Orlando, said a deal with Yahoo “would make sense economically.”. Oct 25 17:11
_Doug :) Oct 25 17:11
_Doug http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/st… Oct 25 17:12
_Doug MS wheels in  “ordinary” developer for Windows 7 .. Oct 25 17:16
_Doug http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/1… Oct 25 17:16
PetoKraus lol Oct 25 17:18
PetoKraus poor guy. I’m gonna keep his email, and if W7 it fails, i am gonna email every single failure story on his email address…. Oct 25 17:18
_Doug Ballmer washes hands of Vista Capable claims .. Oct 25 17:18
_Doug http://www.pcpro.co.uk/news/228768/ballmer… Oct 25 17:18
PetoKraus oh god Oct 25 17:19
PetoKraus how possibly can he say that? He’s a fucking CEO of the company Oct 25 17:19
_Doug W7 = Xp version 111 Oct 25 17:19
PetoKraus _Doug: that wouldn’t be THAT bad Oct 25 17:19
_Doug Viste = XP version 1 1/2 :) Oct 25 17:19
PetoKraus take WXP kernel, put in Vista bling, and it may actually work better than Vista does Oct 25 17:20
_Doug Ballmer: please wait for Windows 7 and don’t upgrade to any of that socalist Linux stuff .. Oct 25 17:21
PetoKraus anyway Oct 25 17:22
_Doug “I don’t hafta know this ana’ways” Oct 25 17:23
_Doug :0 Oct 25 17:23
PetoKraus i need to write some letters :/ ttyl Oct 25 17:23
_Doug Ballmer may be desposed in Vista Capiple class action suit .. Oct 25 17:24
_Doug http://www.bizjournals.com/seat… Oct 25 17:24
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VIPPER Hey BN admins, the BN website seems to be eating my posts :( Oct 25 18:01
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PetoKraus VIPPER: roy is not here atm Oct 25 18:33
VIPPER I see Oct 25 18:33
PetoKraus FFS Oct 25 18:47
PetoKraus virgin is trying to charge me £60 for service which barely works Oct 25 18:47
PetoKraus oh god. Oct 25 18:47
PetoKraus why the fuck do you have to shout at people Oct 25 18:48
PetoKraus yeah, in soviet russia, virgin fucks you!!! Oct 25 19:11
twitter nice Oct 25 19:12
twitter what service did you think they would provide? Oct 25 19:13
VIPPER It’s reasonable to presume that they would provide market quality level Oct 25 19:14
PetoKraus well, we should pay 22.50 for broadband, provided that we call only landlines on weekend Oct 25 19:14
PetoKraus well, it seems, that they are trying to charge me full amount for month, where two weeks we were on lower speed; and month upfront; and installation charge; and phone calls Oct 25 19:15
schestowitz http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article… is gone Oct 25 19:15
VIPPER Yo schestowitz Oct 25 19:15
PetoKraus jesus I hate to do it, but I’d have to FUCKING SHOUT ™ at someone. Maybe i’ll start throwing chairs. Oct 25 19:16
schestowitz Hey, VIPPER. I just got back. Oct 25 19:16
VIPPER PetoKraus = MS employee? Oct 25 19:16
VIPPER ;) Oct 25 19:16
schestowitz _Doug (he’s gone): Daniel Lyons akso attacks Apple and Linux. Microsoft shill. Oct 25 19:16
schestowitz PetoKraus: No, why? Oct 25 19:16
schestowitz Oops. Oct 25 19:16
PetoKraus VIPPER: i almost feel like…. Oct 25 19:16
schestowitz VIPPER: no, why? Oct 25 19:16
PetoKraus i am selling those vista shites to people every saturday… Oct 25 19:17
schestowitz Weird. The Web Archive is down. Oct 25 19:17
PetoKraus anyway, today i downloaded Big Buck Bunny on the machines… Oct 25 19:17
PetoKraus FUN ;) Oct 25 19:17
VIPPER schestowitz: I made two posts a couple of hours ago. It didn’t register. I’m pretty sure my browser cache is working fine Oct 25 19:17
VIPPER I was posting under the name LandofWind if that is of any help Oct 25 19:18
schestowitz I wonder if Microsoft is using analysts to pressure Yahoo. “Give up to Microsoft. You’re doomed!” They still have Icahn and his cronies on board just lurking, maybe waiting for action. Oct 25 19:19
schestowitz VIPPER: maybe it’s in moderation. Let me look. Oct 25 19:19
schestowitz Web archive is bacl. Oct 25 19:19
VIPPER schestowitz: I see. My other posts under other names didn’t seem to go through moderation Oct 25 19:20
schestowitz http://web.archive.org/web/20080116231720/http:… Oct 25 19:20
schestowitz LandofWind and bob? Oct 25 19:20
VIPPER yes Oct 25 19:20
VIPPER I do other identities as well Oct 25 19:21
schestowitz It was in the queue. Now it’s published. Oct 25 19:21
VIPPER k thanks Oct 25 19:21
schestowitz Did that mentioned hacking? Oct 25 19:21
VIPPER yes Oct 25 19:21
VIPPER I wanted to spread the joy of hacking Oct 25 19:21
schestowitz The use of words and mental images is demonic. Oct 25 19:22
VIPPER That’s why I wish to inform everyone of the distinction of hacking and cracking Oct 25 19:22
schestowitz Microsoft tries to paint FOSS devs as people in mother’s garage. Oct 25 19:22
schestowitz To an extent, the stereotype succeeds in penetrating. Oct 25 19:22
VIPPER I wish this fact wasn’t true. Oct 25 19:23
VIPPER I wish people would learn to separate facts and opinions. Oct 25 19:23
VIPPER The power of association is truly powerful I suppose Oct 25 19:24
schestowitz Let me see the context Oct 25 19:24
schestowitz Oh yeah… I see now. Oct 25 19:25
schestowitz Cracking is a word that’s hardly news. We should get back to it though. Oct 25 19:25
twitter Thinking of cracking, Debian had an October 23 update to Etch.  94 MB for me, quick and painless. Oct 25 19:29
twitter I’ll be a little slow chatting today.  I decided to wipe the machine  _Doug played his little joke on. Oct 25 19:30
twitter It should not take long but I’m doing other things too. Oct 25 19:31
twitter One of the cool things about free software is how easy it is to rebuild a system without data loss. Oct 25 19:31
VIPPER data loss? Oct 25 19:32
VIPPER oh, you mean reinstall a system right? Oct 25 19:32
VIPPER I was thinking about recompiling the system Oct 25 19:32
schestowitz Just leave /home in tact Oct 25 19:34
schestowitz I never had to reinstalled a distro, unless my hard-drive died. Oct 25 19:35
schestowitz *reinatll Oct 25 19:35
twitter Whatever nasty _Doug pulled changed my courser and icons for gaim.  This was persistent for a new temporary user.  That’s kind of in my face cracking. Oct 25 19:37
twitter I’m being paranoid moved my home directory from user to user_old and will move selected stuff. Oct 25 19:37
twitter That and redoing my binaries should do the trick. Oct 25 19:38
twitter :) Oct 25 19:38
schestowitz Gaim does not tolerate a EULA. Oct 25 19:39
twitter Like I said, I never saw the first byte of that file. Oct 25 19:39
schestowitz I received some E-mails about the BB articles. Oct 25 19:40
twitter from who? Oct 25 19:41
schestowitz One of them asks what motivated his to write about it. Oct 25 19:41
schestowitz PJ Oct 25 19:41
twitter PJ will have to ask BB about that. Oct 25 19:41
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twitter aha, now I see vipper’s comments.  I’m not sure what they had to do with the subject at hand.  It is interesting that he chose the manufacturing abuse article right after we discussed them and I added Fred’s story, without discussion. Oct 25 19:58
schestowitz http://en.wikipedia.org/wi… Oct 25 20:01
schestowitz http://www.thevarguy.com/2008/10/24/li… “The VAR Guy predicted in July that Netbooks running Linux would proliferate the market. It’s already happening.” Oct 25 20:01
schestowitz Microsoft Sends Windows to the Emergency Room < http://www.microsoft-watch.com/content/secur… > Oct 25 20:02
schestowitz iPhone 2.x Beats Windows Mobile 6.x into Coma < http://www.microsoft-watch.com/content/desktop_mobi… > Oct 25 20:03
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ZiggyFish1 http://www.itnews.com.au/News/NewsStor… – very interesting Oct 25 20:40
schestowitz I saw it the other day. Oct 25 20:42
schestowitz http://www.ibtimes.com/prnews/20081024/wa-mic… Oct 25 20:43
schestowitz I’m actually writing about this at the moment, so this article you link to would be a good addition, thanks. Oct 25 20:43
ZiggyFish1 np Oct 25 20:55
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schestowitz It’s hilarious to see this anti-Linux man trying to sneak out of this one: http://byrondennis.typepad.com/it_investment_rese… Oct 25 21:37
schestowitz *LOL* “Sorry you don’t get the point of the footnote but the whole OSF/Minix/ACC Corp/GNU/Apache/OSDL/Linux Foundation thing is a little bit too complex for a blog post… And yes, of course it is an opinion. That’s what a blog is” < http://byrondennis.typepad.com/it_… > Oct 25 21:38
schestowitz The whole blog has been filled with some Linux obsession recently. Odd that one… Oct 25 21:39
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schestowitz Zombie PCs: ‘Time to infection is less than five minutes’ : http://blogs.zdnet.com/gadgetreviews/?p=441 Oct 25 22:20
twitter Somethings never change Oct 25 22:21
twitter Holy crap though, they quote a M$ person!  ” “The mean time to infection is less than five minutes,” said Richie Lai, who is part of Microsoft’s Internet Safety Enforcement Team” Oct 25 22:23
twitter About time they admitted the problem. Oct 25 22:24
schestowitz prepare for them to say that other platforms are “Equally Bad”^TM Oct 25 22:24
twitter First comment, http://talkback.zdnet.com/5208-13615-0.html… Oct 25 22:25
twitter “One word: Linux.” Oct 25 22:25
twitter ha ha Oct 25 22:26
twitter Too bad the computer experts at ZDNet did not think of that. Oct 25 22:26
twitter Anyone who comes close to M$ is constrained by the Channel 9 Rules. Oct 25 22:27
twitter I’m sorry, “Doctrine” Oct 25 22:27
schestowitz Loads of replies Oct 25 22:28
twitter Rules 6,7,8 ” Don’t shock the system. Lasting change only happens in baby steps. Oct 25 22:28
twitter Know when to turn the mic off. There are some topics which will only result in problems when you discuss them. This has nothing to do with censorship, but with working within the reality of the system that exists in our world today. You will not change anything by taking on legal or financial issues, you will only shock the system, spook the passengers, and create a negative situation. Oct 25 22:28
twitter Don’t be a jerk. Nobody likes mean people.” Oct 25 22:28
twitter LOL Oct 25 22:28
schestowitz http://talkback.zdnet.com/5208-13615-0.h… “No.” Oct 25 22:28
twitter working within the reality of the system. Oct 25 22:29
twitter wtf does working within the reality of the system mean? Oct 25 22:29
twitter If you say “freedom” Vista implodes? Oct 25 22:29
schestowitz http://www.wired.com/techbiz/medi… Oct 25 22:30
schestowitz “The author of the email, posted on ZDNet in a Talkback forum on the Microsoft antitrust trial, claimed her name was Michelle Bradley and that she had “retired” from Microsoft last week.” Oct 25 22:31
schestowitz ““A verbal memo [no email allowed] was passed around the MS campus encouraging MS employee’s to post to ZDNet articles like this one,” the email said.” Oct 25 22:31
schestowitz ““The theme is ‘Microsoft is responsible for all good things in computerdom.’ The government has no right to prevent MS from doing anything. Period. The ‘memo’ suggests we use fictional names and state and to identify ourselves as students,” the author claimed.” Oct 25 22:31
schestowitz twitter: you have got to step your multi-nym thing in Slashdot. Oct 25 22:31
schestowitz People use you to discredit BN Oct 25 22:32
schestowitz They do this in Linux.com (mentioning your Slashdot situation) to accuse /me/ of being dishonest. There is also libel there related to this. Oct 25 22:32
twitter are you dishonest? Oct 25 22:35
twitter I don’t think so. Oct 25 22:35
twitter point to the Linux.com stuff please. Oct 25 22:36
schestowitz Hmmmm… ECT has begun buying article from the FAIR USE-hostile AP. That’s not good… < http://www.linuxinsider.com/r… > Oct 25 22:36
schestowitz It’s at that ‘article’ they posted.They sure got a lot of traffic and comments for aggravating BN (more than any article there).  I apologised for the flak Bruce was getting in the past (I get mine too). Controversies are hard to avoid when discussing lesser-technical matters, but as I’ve said many times before, his technical articles are good.. Oct 25 22:37
schestowitz The scope of the Web site has changed and I knew that once we verged past Novell and onto Microsoft angles then the “Microsoft hater” label will kick into play. Oct 25 22:39
twitter You are surprised your trolls and mine have feasted onto Linux.com? Oct 25 22:39
schestowitz Well, my participation in BN was conceived, at least in part, in response to coordinated smears and cyber-bullying against myself and people whom I know (lots and lots of libel). I used to write just technical stuff (mostly advocacy related). Later I explored where the attacks came from. This included attacks through my peers and bosses at the time. People like Guttman and Quinn might have something to add because there is a patter Oct 25 22:39
schestowitz n here. Oct 25 22:39
schestowitz This is what gave me passion to drop my job and study this deeply, but the  pursuit for answers is one thing. Oct 25 22:40
schestowitz The other component was manipulation not just by Microsoft; manipulation of press, formal bodies, governmental positions/panels, parliament and so forth. It’s everywhere. I knew how to find the information, so I could share it. Novell was part of this, with involvement by other companies (it’s a long story). Oct 25 22:40
schestowitz It represented an attempt to bypass technical merits and harm Free software in newer, more ‘innovative’ ways. Oct 25 22:40
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schestowitz http://boycottnovell.com/comes-vs-m… Oct 25 22:41
schestowitz interesting transcript of iowa TP011207 < http://boycottnovell.com/comes-vs-m… > .. Microsoft calls developers “pawns”… you brought this up the other day… Oct 25 22:41
schestowitz Microsoft Patents Adding ‘www.’ And ‘.com’ To Text: http://techdirt.com/articles/20… Oct 25 22:44
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twitter I’m not worried about Slashdot trolls.  The more they beat on me, the more people know I’ve hit a nerve. Oct 25 22:51
twitter Google sends them to me http://slashdot.org/~SockDisclos… Oct 25 22:51
schestowitz Multiple nyms are against the rules. Oct 25 22:53
twitter Who’s rules? Oct 25 22:53
twitter For the last time, I’m not going to let these asses limit me to 2 posts a day and I am going to disrupt their troll threads. Oct 25 22:54
schestowitz Whoa. a Delay /much/ bigger than first imagined… Xbox Live Primetime Delayed until 2009 < http://www.pcworld.com/article/152780/mic… >. Vapourwar. Who are they kidding? XBox 360 victims (are we THERE yet?) Oct 25 22:54
twitter You just let some vipper post here under two nyms.  Why give me a hard time? Oct 25 22:55
twitter It’s clear you don’t approve of some of the things I do on slashdot.  Let’s just agree to disagree. Oct 25 22:56
schestowitz twitter: my main problem is that people attribute what you do there to me. It’s smear by association, which I find appalling, but still… Oct 25 23:00
twitter Yeah, yeah, and BB is trying to smear PJ with you. Oct 25 23:01
twitter And both BB and the others are lying. Oct 25 23:03
schestowitz Consider the time *nix users save on reboots and security headaches… http://www.roughlydrafted.com/2008/10/22/sf-chronicles… Oct 25 23:03
schestowitz Yes, that’s the thing. Oct 25 23:03
schestowitz They try to ‘source’ the smear from somewhere. Oct 25 23:04
twitter They put a nice touch on the twitter smear post and used a Cox IP address.  Nothing there at the moment of course. Oct 25 23:09
twitter It was probably done by botnet. Oct 25 23:10
schestowitz http://reddevil62-techhead.blogspo… Oct 25 23:11
schestowitz “Hi Steve, Ciaran O’Riordan here. A friend passed me this link and I found it very interesting but have some thoughts about approach. One is that it read like an accepted fact that “Pirated software [...] costs Microsoft millions of dollars”, but that’s only if we assume that it’s Microsoft’s money, and if Russia doesn’t buy Microsoft software it then must “owe” money to Microsoft.” Oct 25 23:11
schestowitz It seems like a campaign to clean up people’s language, which is good. people’s vocabulary got contaminated for a purpose by moguls and monopolists Oct 25 23:12
twitter So PJ wrote you.  Did she give you trouble about guilt by association or was she supportive? Oct 25 23:18
schestowitz http://www.grain.org/i/?id=38 “The actors that put the resistance up were programmers that decided to have their own code, their own operational system. Richard Stallman, the founder of the movement, defines the GNU/Linux operational system as “our land in the cyberspace”. The actors that put the resistance up were programmers that decided to have their own code, their own operational system. Richard Stallman, the founder of the mo Oct 25 23:19
schestowitz vement, defines the GNU/Linux operational system as “our land in the cyberspace”. “ Oct 25 23:19
schestowitz No, supportive. Oct 25 23:20
schestowitz BB gave GL mflak in the past Oct 25 23:20
twitter Yes, I remember that rant about “semi professionals” with all sorts of other name calling.  BB does a lot of that. Oct 25 23:21
schestowitz Can you please find this again? Oct 25 23:21
schestowitz I might want to have this off-hand. Oct 25 23:21
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schestowitz It’s the hypocrisy that’s a killer here. Like he’s a mighty journalist and all else are peons. He actually reiterates that statement too… in footers… in articles… Jack Luftus used to do the same thing, but he hasn’t been around for a while. Oct 25 23:22
*schestowitz think PetoKraus restarts X server again. Oct 25 23:23
schestowitz http://www.stallman.org/archives/2008-… “Support the Atheist Bus Campaign, putting ads for atheism on buses in London.” Oct 25 23:24
schestowitz http://www.justgiving.com/atheistbus Oct 25 23:25
PetoKraus schestowitz: yes, i did :) Oct 25 23:25
schestowitz http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/oc… : US election: Republican operative faces voter registration fraud charges Oct 25 23:26
schestowitz “The arrest comes after McCain and running mate Sarah Palin attempted to tie Barack Obama’s campaign to Acorn, playing up a federal investigation of the group’s voter registration tactics in several states.” Oct 25 23:26
schestowitz http://www.stallman.org/archives/2008-jul-oct.html… “Deregulation produced the current financial crisis. Now the banks will lobby against the regulations we need to prevent the next financial crisis. This includes regulation of energy trading.” Oct 25 23:27
schestowitz The great green electricity con ; http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/… Oct 25 23:28
schestowitz WTF? Libel against Prof. Lessig: [Random-bits] U.S. Publishers lobby Obama — against Larry Lessig : http://lists.essential.org/pipermail/ran… Oct 25 23:33
twitter Lessig stands for freedom, he will be attacked. Oct 25 23:34
schestowitz I spoke to Glyn about this: http://www.computerworlduk.com/com… . He doesn’t know yet that Intel and Microsoft have plans… Oct 25 23:36
schestowitz Look at this photo: http://notnews.today.com/2008/10/22/mccai… Oct 25 23:40
schestowitz This site is funny. Alan Greenspan: “whoops sorry lol” < http://notnews.today.com/2008/10/24/a… > Oct 25 23:41
twitter there are hundreds of hit matches for BB and Boycott Novell.   This one was one of the worst http://bruce… Oct 25 23:46
twitter dinner time Oct 25 23:46
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  27. Links 20/8/2014: Linux Event, GNOME Milestone

    Links for the day



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    A roundup regarding patent trolls, starting with the bigger and latest joiner, BlackBerry's new patents apparatus


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