Comments

• Chris

  2008-11-03 20:04:17

  1. I totally fail to see where / how he gives "ammunition to those who will object to generalising the decision and fighting software patents" or "shelter[s] Microsoft's Patents".
  
  2. For sure only Microsoft and bad bad Novell (tm) acquire patents while IBM, RedHat, Sun, ... don't ... NOT.
  
  3. OT: I get really tired of having to copy & paste the source url from the html source. Please make those cite references clickable or at least let me select the text if you don't want to link (I'm using FireFox 2).
  
  So, once again, you make a false accusation and pervert the truth by telling only one side of the story. Congrats Roy, that's what we are used to ...

• Roy Schestowitz

  2008-11-03 20:15:03

  All the quoted text has a hard link prior to it. By the way, who said Sun and IBM are any different? I criticise them too. In fact, I sent E-mails to some IBM employees today asking them to fight software patents too (not just BM patents). I got replies. I had correspondences with Sun also... and MySQL.

• Jeremy

  2008-11-03 20:48:30

  Was their response "oh, yes, Roy, we'll stop filing for patents right away"? I highly doubt it.
  
  Have you sent off any emails to Red Hat? They'll laugh in your face too.

• Roy Schestowitz

  2008-11-03 20:52:33

  Was their response “oh, yes, Roy, we’ll stop filing for patents right away”? I highly doubt it.

  
  
  Many things are taken into consideration, including input. IBM released some of its patents and 'gave them away' last year.. to the Free software community.
  
  

  Have you sent off any emails to Red Hat? They’ll laugh in your face too.

  
  
  Red Hat put its patents in OIN *AND*, unlike Novell, it didn't use them to back-stab other GNU/Linux vendors, using a deal with Microsoft.

• freewill

  2008-11-03 22:36:19

  In short, "YES, Red Hat file patents and give them to OIN just like Novell but they don't have an arrangement with M$, so that's A-OK"?!?!

• Sebastiaan Veld

  2008-11-05 10:21:08

  The problem is that Roy seems to fail to see the bigger picture. Tough the promotes to boycott Novell and others publicly, he on the other side does not take parts out of Linux and other OS software that (for example) Novell has worked on, cause that's in his works not 'practical'.
  
  So, for the -exact- same reason Novell/IBS/SUN/RedHat/other do still file new software patents, but on the other side do work actively to try to change the patent system itself. Not fileing patents with the system in mind we have today is just a matter of not being practical...

• Roy Schestowitz

  2008-11-05 10:50:06

  Sebastiaan,
  
  I see that your career is based around Novell solutions. Do you not think that it would be better for Novell to play along with other GNU/Linux vendors, as opposed to working against them using patents? I want to at least understand your views on the deal.
  
  Novell harmed everyone, including itself (long-term).

• Apogee

  2008-11-05 11:09:50

  why people are talking about Software Patent in OpenSuse? If your country accept Software Patent so the problem is your country...
  
  I am living in Brazil and here software patent is not valid, so M$ cant do anything if I am using there patents.. we have the same scenario in some countries from EU..
  
  so if people dont live in a Democracy country what they expect?

• Roy Schestowitz

  2008-11-05 11:13:38

  Patents don't affect use, particularly in your country, but they can affect development, especially because companies like Red Hat are based in the US.

• Apogee

  2008-11-05 11:41:04

  but we shouldnt be agaisnt the country laws instead try to fight agaisnt companies?

• Roy Schestowitz

  2008-11-05 11:54:03

  Novell did not approach Microsoft to sign this deal because of the law; it did this in order to gain competitive advantage, essentially by harming other GNU/Linux vendors.
  
  Novell was merely exploiting the broken laws.