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IRC: #boycottnovell @ FreeNode: November 5th, 2008

Posted in IRC Logs at 2:56 am by Dr. Roy Schestowitz


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twitter Scare tactics?  That’s the most amazing news I’ve seen in a long time, ” Applications developed in the past five years — whether created internally or externally — typically contain at least 50 percent open-source or other third-party components, much of it undocumented by the company’s engineering or security teams, Palamida officials say.” Nov 05 03:41
twitter Propitiatory software is ripping off the free software world in mass. Nov 05 03:41
twitter I’d heard of huge rip offs in the past, the Mosaic browser, spyglass, Maxsyma, etc, where private companies closed off government sponsored code. Nov 05 03:43
twitter This scan is something else all together.  Non free software companies have a huge problem if this is true and an obvious answer – go legit and liberate their code. Nov 05 03:44
twitter “Borrowed” free software goes stale outside of the larger community.  It would be better if these companies modularized their code and got back into the community to share better maintained software. Nov 05 03:45
twitter Non free code duplicates effort and costs money.  To get by, they seem to have been ripping off free software.  They might as well come clean and do it right. Nov 05 03:46
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twitter Yes, that is FUD judo.  The non free software world has been plundering free software for decades.  They would like to use that fact to scare the PHB, and it should but not the way they think. Nov 05 04:11
twitter Customers should demand free software to avoid a poorly thrown together patchwork of the same thing from non free software vendors. Nov 05 04:12
twitter Story “Propitiatory Software is Actually Half FOSS???” floated onto the firehose. Nov 05 04:13
twitter Wooo hooo!  Open Spectrum is much closer than I thought, http://hardware.slashdot.org/article.pl… Nov 05 04:20
twitter “When the vote came, though, it was unanimous” Nov 05 04:21
twitter These folks should be very happy about this http://www.prometheusradio.org/ Nov 05 04:22
tessier So what is this open spectrum going to be used for and what freq range is this spectrum? Nov 05 05:59
MinceR r4wr Nov 05 07:14
schestowitz Hey Nov 05 07:14
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schestowitz Sweat Shop: Dell pressures workers into leave without pay < http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/11/05… > Nov 05 09:30
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schestowitz Problems at Debian or The Register exaggerating as usual? < http://www.theregister.c… > Nov 05 10:55
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schestowitz Nokia closes plant, ‘reorganises’ 600 staff < http://www.theregister.co.uk/200… > Nov 05 11:12
schestowitz http://technocrat.net/d/2008/11/4/53421 “Lessig for Attorney General. Not at all sure we’ll get that, but it is consistent with the force of collaboration that made Obama president. Maybe we could give him that new “Copyright Czar” job that Congress recently created.” Nov 05 11:26
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PetoKraus lol: http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/11/04/… Nov 05 12:32
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schestowitz I posted a comment in Sutor’s blog (VP of FOSS and standards at IBM) I challenged him to fight software patents, but he didn’t approve the comment. It figures. They are not interested in negotiation. Nov 05 12:40
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schestowitz This is good news because Linux is well ahead at SSD support: Seagate: Enterprise SSD to Be Released Next Year < http://www.pcworld.com/article/15327… > Nov 05 13:38
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schestowitz http://www.pcworld.com/article/153292/window… “If Windows Is a Dead End, What’s Next?” Nov 05 13:46
schestowitz Could it possibly be true that Microsoft at least experiments with Linux as the base for win32 APIs? Nov 05 13:47
MinceR i think they’re trying to throw win32 away in favor of .net Nov 05 13:54
schestowitz Mono you mean? Nov 05 13:56
schestowitz MinceR: I can’t help but think of that comment from the other day. http://boycottnovell.com/2008/11/… Nov 05 13:57
schestowitz “I just heard that Novell is designing the OS for Windows 7. I live in Provo Utah and heard it from an insider that Novell is designing it w/ a flavor of Linux. I guess that M$ even admits that NT is loaded w/ security and stability issues.” Nov 05 13:57
schestowitz It makes no sense, but it’s not as though it’s totally impossible. We wrote about this in 2006. Nov 05 13:58
schestowitz What’s with people putting their /OWN/ name in headlines? http://www.siliconvalley.com… Nov 05 14:09
schestowitz The IDC shill on behalf of BSA and Microsoft… now the media monopoly (industry): “The SMH ran an uncritical software piracy propaganda piece on 21 October (link will likely become unusable in a short time).  The piece cites IDC on Australia having a piracy rate of 28%. ” http://brendanscott.wordpress.com/2008/11/02… Nov 05 14:55
schestowitz Reason for NOVL to be careful bending the rules next time: New SEC Enforcement Manual: Better Late Than Never < http://www.law.com/jsp/ihc/PubArticleIH… > Nov 05 14:58
schestowitz VIA Nvidia netbook platform plans suspended < http://www.digitimes.com/news… > Nov 05 15:06
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schestowitz Parents Think The Internet Is More Dangerous Than Drugs Or Drunk Driving? < http://techdirt.com/articles/2008… > Nov 05 15:11
kentma bits will rush out of the computer and infect the kids with diseases Nov 05 15:12
schestowitz “But security software” >>CLICK HERE<< $49.95 Nov 05 15:15
MinceR they might catch a virus! Nov 05 15:16
kentma my plumber mate turned up chez moi about a week ago, with a bunch of popups on his browser… didn’t know what to do Nov 05 15:17
kentma it was some horrible infection for bogus anti-spyware Nov 05 15:17
kentma After a bit of discussion, I installed Ubuntu on the machine, but left the windows on another partition. Nov 05 15:18
schestowitz Good man. Nov 05 15:18
kentma Once I’d got the right bits installed so he could play his iTunes MP4s, plus showed him how to edit his documents, and find his online email with Firefox, he was completely happy. Nov 05 15:18
kentma I don’t think he’s booted windows since. Nov 05 15:18
kentma I’ve no idea if it’s even possible to clean up such machines, but I thought it was unlikely. Nov 05 15:19
schestowitz The end of an era – Windows 3.x < http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/tec… > Nov 05 15:20
schestowitz > ” clean up such machines” Nov 05 15:21
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schestowitz You mean  ” clean up such software”? Some people don’t distinguish between h/w and s/w. They also think of computer viruses as something physical (like old-style Bugs in the mainframes). Nov 05 15:21
schestowitz That’s why some people (like my mom) buy a new PC after/if it gets infected for a while? “You computer is slow and has viruses,” asks the sales, “why don’t you buy a new one?” Nov 05 15:23
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*brunomiguel hello :) Nov 05 15:28
trmanco Hi Nov 05 15:28
kentma trmanco: hi Nov 05 15:31
kentma schestowitz: you’re right, I should be more specific…  I meant the windows bit, of course :-) Nov 05 15:31
trmanco kentma, Hi Nov 05 15:31
schestowitz Fedora 10 Linux previewed < http://www.heise.de/english/ne… > Nov 05 15:31
schestowitz Fedora is a mess though. The reviews are not positive. Nov 05 15:32
kentma What’s Homer think about it? Nov 05 15:36
schestowitz I don’t know. Nov 05 15:36
schestowitz Operating systems change though, that’s for sure. Not just because of mobile O/Ses (compactness), but also the SaaS factor. Nov 05 15:37
schestowitz ARM concluded that a device with the Firefox Web browser has potential (they liaised with Mozilla, IIRC). Linux is used for its stability, small footprint, security, etc. Nov 05 15:38
kentma it’s about networks, more than anything, which is what the whole mobility thing is about.  Mobility is only valuable if you get connectivity with it, hence you have a complex, multi-layered stack, which will surely include some distributed applications at the top end. Nov 05 15:38
kentma Interestingly, for all its flaws, http has proven to be an extremely robust best-effort 1:n processor time-sharing system… Nov 05 15:39
schestowitz If you spend a long time producing an excellent operating system like Palm OS, then it may later turn out that the job was in vain due to moving goalposts. Remember Foleo, which was ‘aborted’? Red Hat canceled (for now) its plans for a desktop O/S. Linpus is based on Fedora though! :-) Nov 05 15:40
kentma The 1970s desktop is total dodo land.  People want data merged across multiple systems, they want to be able to access their address books from everywhere, be “always best connected”, ie, least expensively, but effectively.  It’s more like Iain Banks culture than the cypherpunk view of things. Nov 05 15:42
MinceR palmos is far from being excellent Nov 05 15:42
MinceR it disallows normal multitasking and doesn’t have memory protection Nov 05 15:43
MinceR and the file system (“database”) is a mess Nov 05 15:43
MinceR ALP would change that once palm, inc. bothers to use it Nov 05 15:43
schestowitz kentma: not the technical people though; not everyone. Nov 05 15:48
schestowitz MinceR: Palm OS is not excellent. It was also a dead end, so they should have picked Linux or something. Same story with Psion/Symbian, which is losing now. Nov 05 15:48
schestowitz Obama brings ‘change’ already: http://news.cnet.com/8301-1001_3-10082194-92.html?… ( Unisys is ripe for the picking ); http://news.cnet.com/8301-1001_3-10082278-… ( Pioneer predicts greater loss, taps new president ); http://news.cnet.com/8301-1001_3-100822… ( To cut costs, Dell asks workers to take unpaid lea Nov 05 15:49
schestowitz ve ) Nov 05 15:49
MinceR foleo was aborted because of a wrong business decision Nov 05 15:49
MinceR it could have been a great success Nov 05 15:50
MinceR (provided they made it non-palm-dependent in the process) Nov 05 15:50
schestowitz *LOL* MinceR would love this Bad Job: New MacBook trackpad not clicking for some users < http://news.cnet.com/8301-13579_3-10082… > Nov 05 15:51
MinceR ALP, the successor to PalmOS is linux-based (ALP became what was supposed to be PalmOS 6, afaik) Nov 05 15:51
MinceR it’s up to Palm to make the move now Nov 05 15:51
schestowitz But the Macs are pretty. Who cares if they stop functioning, eh? Nov 05 15:51
schestowitz I’m still with Palm, waiting to migrate to what they release next, provided it interacts with GNU/Linux desktops (unlike Motorola). Nov 05 15:52
MinceR ah, the famous apple quality. Nov 05 15:53
MinceR well, fanboys keep claiming all crApple products are indestructible because they happened to see a certain PowerBook model survive a fall Nov 05 15:53
MinceR and things like that Nov 05 15:53
schestowitz ‘Survive’ a fall. What /really/ matters… Nov 05 15:54
schestowitz There goes my chance… http://news.cnet.com/8301-1023_3-1… … they tried to hire me a few times. Nov 05 15:55
MinceR well, everybody knows that’s what computers are for Nov 05 15:55
MinceR throwing around Nov 05 15:55
MinceR not processing and storing information :> Nov 05 15:55
*schestowitz has more fun in hacktivism anyway Nov 05 15:55
schestowitz I’ve just realised that the ‘Mac guy’ next even shows up with a Mac. Apparently it’s all about wearing jeans and flinging stuff around with style. Nov 05 15:56
MinceR it’s the style of the sheep. Nov 05 15:57
schestowitz More ‘free’ drugs (got a light, dude?) http://news.cnet.com/8301-13860_3-1008… Nov 05 15:58
schestowitz More ‘free’ drugs (got a light, dude?) http://news.cnet.com/8301-13860_3-10082506-… “Companies will get Microsoft’s software free of charge for three years and will have to pay the then-prevailing licensing costs thereafter, Lewin said.” Nov 05 15:59
schestowitz Sounds like their ‘student’ program. 1. Give free utils; 2. User puts data in binary prison [...] 4. Profit! Nov 05 15:59
kentma the problem is that some ict spark will report a huge saving into bigcorp for *this* year, and get a massive bonus for it… Nov 05 16:04
schestowitz First you get high… hangover later. Isn’t that another way to reason about the current financial crisis at a large scale? The marco-economists /MUST/ have seen this coming. Nov 05 16:06
kentma I don’t know if they did.  I’m not sure that anyone has truly recognised just how broken most internal corporate bonussing systems are now.  Doing something which will yield benefits even in 2 or 3 years is not seen as important. Nov 05 16:11
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schestowitz Not everyone is happen with the new licence it seems…. Open Letter to Richard Stallman < http://www.advogato.org/article/990.html > Nov 05 16:36
schestowitz http://www.stabroeknews.com/news/network-pr… .. Makes you wonder if Windows can cause power outage too. Nov 05 17:11
MinceR only if the power company allows it to Nov 05 17:11
schestowitz This one is the G.P.L., so it’s unlikely. Then again, Microsoft RMS was recently announced, and therefore you never know… Nov 05 17:13
MinceR :) Nov 05 17:14
schestowitz Microsoft: we’ll manage your Linux. All your *NIX are belong to us. “Microsoft to Streamline the Monitoring of Windows, UNIX and Linux” < http://news.softpedia.com/news/Microsoft-t… > Only for Microsoft-minded shops… Nov 05 17:16
MinceR i’d streamline that for them Nov 05 17:17
MinceR with a bomb on redmond Nov 05 17:17
schestowitz I worry about that.. Nov 05 17:17
schestowitz It’s the same trick they play with Novell. Nov 05 17:17
schestowitz Basically, just to take it off my head, Ron Hovsepian agreed to Microsoft making Linux just ‘some Windows app’, using Hyper-V. Nov 05 17:17
schestowitz In exchange for that servitude they get money and recommendations. Nov 05 17:18
MinceR colinux did that before them, didn’t it? :> Nov 05 17:19
schestowitz Yes, but this one is for high-end servers. Nov 05 17:19
schestowitz Xandros too is part of this scam. Nov 05 17:19
MinceR i consider “windows server” an oxymoron. Nov 05 17:19
schestowitz Microsoft Works… Microsoft Outlook… Nov 05 17:22
MinceR :) Nov 05 17:24
schestowitz Xmas should be bright – GPL : http://www.stabroeknews.com/news/xma… (not that GPL we all know) Nov 05 17:27
schestowitz LinuxInsider is feeding the Enderle shill again (they can’t help it, can they?): http://www.linuxinsider.com/… Nov 05 17:28
schestowitz http://opendotdotdot.blogspot.com/20… “Blears Shoots the Blogger Messengers .. Nov 05 17:43
schestowitz Well, darling, could it be that bloggers unearth scandals and hypocrisy because that’s mostly what you and your chums in the government seem to generate? Could it be that a more affirmative kind of blogging will emerge once your government drops its own unending flood of cynicism and spin and lies?” Nov 05 17:43
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schestowitz http://weblog.infoworld.com/enterprise… : Praise Microsoft, Receive Bribe Nov 05 17:56
schestowitz Microsoft Jackie is batting for the Vole again (has he got his free laptop yet?): http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/as… Nov 05 17:59
schestowitz *LOL* “Rob Enderle, principal analyst at the Enderle Group, a division of Enderle Global Enterprises, represented by Enderle, Enderle & Enderle, and a block south of Enderle Toyota*, says Apple has made mistakes with its marketing that mirror those of the Republican party in this year’s presidential race.” Nov 05 18:07
schestowitz http://www.tuaw.com/2008/11/03/enderle-tenu… Nov 05 18:07
schestowitz One-man Microsoft shillstitute. Nov 05 18:08
schestowitz http://www.pcworld.com/businesscente… “He also deleted the company’s Microsoft Exchange e-mail database and files that the computer needed in order to boot up.” Nov 05 18:14
schestowitz Here is the shillderle comparing Apple to Republicans: http://www.technewsworld.com/story/65008.html Nov 05 18:15
twitter “It’s Dangerous to Assume People Are Stupid”  Yeah, you should let them talk for a while and prove it. Nov 05 18:19
twitter “focusing Microsoft on you generally ends badly”  LOL Nov 05 18:19
twitter I suppose that’s where the trolls have gone, to “focus” on Apple. Nov 05 18:20
twitter Steve Ballmer must be angry that another company has more money than they do. Nov 05 18:21
twitter Imagine the tantrum, “I’m going to fucking Kill Apple!!!!!!!  I’ve done it before and I’m going to do it again.” Nov 05 18:22
schestowitz Well, they already had some peopple bury that Job p**, at least in print. Nov 05 18:22
schestowitz Jobs was said to have fallen ill how many times? That Slate Magazine guy too… Nov 05 18:23
schestowitz The proxy+mafia win? http://boycottnovell.com/2008/1… Nov 05 18:24
twitter Here’s something funny, Enderle likes the HP mini 1000 and Vista.  Here’s a review of them together  http://www.networkworld.com/revie… Nov 05 18:29
twitter “Gone is the Via C-7M processor; gone, too, is the pipe dream that any current netbook could handle Windows Vista” Nov 05 18:30
schestowitz The guy is a shill for the Vole. It’s surprising that some people still quote him. ECT and some other cr*p publications in particular. Nov 05 18:30
schestowitz Microsoft -> economic crisis  … Microsoft CFO outlines plan to weather economic crisis < http://computerworld.co.nz/news… > Nov 05 18:30
schestowitz It gets harder for them to cook the books now. Nov 05 18:30
schestowitz Cost reduction at Microsoft: Microsoft looking to China to create new products < http://www.forbes.com/feeds/ap/2008… > Nov 05 18:32
schestowitz Kids to create and infect the Web with Microsoft lock-in? Microsoft launches DreamSpark: Indian students get access to technical software at no charge < http://www.financialexpress.com/news… > Nov 05 18:32
schestowitz Uncle Bill offers ‘free’ drugs, to fill the Web with Silverblight poison (what’s wrong with Web standards?): Microsoft launches innovative project: free access for students < http://www.business-standard.com… > Nov 05 18:33
schestowitz Almost each and every Microsoft donation is either harmful ‘drugs’ (dependency) or bribe (don’t use the competition’s product): Microsoft offers South Korea $60 million ‘encouragement’ to use its software < http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquirer/ne… > Nov 05 18:35
twitter It can also be a lie.  They can yank your chain once you have signed up for an academic rate.  Did you see this?  http://slashdot.org/firehose… Nov 05 18:36
schestowitz Microsoft releases faux ‘study’ to say security issues are not its fault and only the likes of freebie-loving Microsoft Jack repeat it: http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/busin… Nov 05 18:37
twitter Revocation of “discount” will cost the victim a cool $70 million bucks. Nov 05 18:37
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schestowitz Hey, _doug Nov 05 18:37
schestowitz We’re discussing ‘charity’ Nov 05 18:37
_doug hey .. wassup .. Nov 05 18:37
schestowitz Microsoft offers South Korea $60 million ‘encouragement’ to use its software < http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquirer… >; Microsoft offers South Korea $60 million ‘encouragement’ to use its software < http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquirer… > Nov 05 18:37
schestowitz Microsoft launches innovative project: free access for students < http://www.business-standard.com/india/storyp… > Nov 05 18:37
_doug ahh .. well go figure … Nov 05 18:38
schestowitz “Free access” = opportunity to trash the WWW with Linux-hostile binaries. Nov 05 18:38
schestowitz Microsoft Plants “I’m a PC” Kiosk Outside U.K. Apple Store < http://www.realtechnews.com/posts/6170 > Nov 05 18:38
_doug by encouraging SK to use MS software, will this, as a byproduct disuade them from using non-MS software ? Nov 05 18:38
schestowitz What happened to fair competition. Will they set up a toilet booth next to the shop too…. and ask Apple for toilet paper/ Nov 05 18:39
schestowitz Microsoft plans to invest 60 million dollars in South Korea < http://www.monstersandcritics.com/news/bu… > Nov 05 18:39
schestowitz Nice description for ‘bribe’ Nov 05 18:39
schestowitz It’s not a bribe, it’s persuasion money. It’s ‘help’. Nov 05 18:39
_doug “In a move that could equip millions of Indian students with advanced computer knowledge,” Nov 05 18:40
twitter I wonder how much it cost them to set that kiosk up. Nov 05 18:40
schestowitz “We don’t have a monopoly. We have market share. There’s a difference.” –SweatyB Nov 05 18:40
_doug I live the implied .. only MS posesses advanced computer knowledge .. :0 Nov 05 18:41
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schestowitz ” Advanced computer knowledge” = ability to smoke the Microsoft pipe and spread tobacco on the precious Web. Nov 05 18:41
schestowitz XAML Nov 05 18:41
schestowitz Microsoft: each PC needs more than one copy (licence) of Windows: Microsoft: Reused PCs Need Windows, Too < http://www.businessweek.com/technology/c… > Nov 05 18:43
schestowitz Nodbody picks Windows for backup (it has data corruption problems), so they slash the price significantly: http://blog.seattlepi.nwsource.com/mic… Nov 05 18:44
_doug Antitrust concerns kill Yahoo-Google ad deal .. Nov 05 18:45
_doug http://news.cnet.com/8301-1023_3-10082800-93.htm… Nov 05 18:45
schestowitz IDG has just grown a whole army of Microsoft “community” (isn’t Microsoft a company?): http://edge.networkworld.com/subnets/mi… Nov 05 18:45
schestowitz I think I can recall Ashley arranging for a Microsoft fan club in NetworkWorld. Nov 05 18:46
schestowitz /s/antitrust/Microsoft/ Nov 05 18:46
schestowitz Shills responsible: http://boycottnovell.com/2008/08/15/l… Nov 05 18:46
schestowitz Microsoft vs. Apple: Guerilla tactics real or not? < http://www.core77.com/blog/object_culture/mi… > Novell does this too. Nov 05 18:48
schestowitz “They have had over 3 years now to perfect the WGA crap and it should be “weaponized” and targeted on the software pirates world-wide. I Nov 05 18:52
schestowitz From “Software Jihad” < http://community.zdnet.co.uk/blog/0,10000… >. Does he know that Microsoft calls its tactics Jihad? http://boycottnovell.com/2008/04/2… Nov 05 18:54
schestowitz _doug: check out Microsoft Jack praising Microsoft for Silver Lie, saying that Apple users owe them for the ‘privilege’: http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/blog… Nov 05 18:56
schestowitz They should really sack  Jack Schofield  for being just a marketing person for Microsoft, attacking its rivals, not just praising Microsoft. Nov 05 18:56
_doug never speak of the devil .. Nov 05 18:57
schestowitz Which one? Jack or Microsoft? Nov 05 18:57
_doug there is no more real journalism, just glorified adverts and regurgetated PR spinn .. Nov 05 18:58
schestowitz That’s the thing with blogs too. Nov 05 18:59
_doug Their isn’t a difference .. could be written in MS headoffice .. which it most probably all is .. Nov 05 18:59
schestowitz Under the disguise of “blog” he’s just using the Grauniad to enter News Feeds with fanboism. Nov 05 18:59
_doug stating the obvious .. Nov 05 18:59
schestowitz There should be a Best of Jack page… also one for Enderle. Nov 05 19:00
schestowitz One to show who they are by listing posts/mistakes. Nov 05 19:00
_doug how dare Apple not pay MS their DRM royalties .. :) Nov 05 19:00
schestowitz Didn’t he defend “tilting in death spiral”? Why, yes he did. http://boycottnovell.com/2008/0… Nov 05 19:00
_doug someone once did a fanboy page .. personally I can’t be bothered reading it .. noone else is .. Nov 05 19:01
schestowitz http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=mozclient&a… Nov 05 19:01
_doug which is why he’s reduced to trasing Apple/Google/Yahoo and anyone else who’s name don’t beging with micrso~1 Nov 05 19:02
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schestowitz http://boycottnovell.com/2008/11/0… Nov 05 19:24
twitter The M$ Kiosk in front of an Apple store is funny.  Do they really want all of their ImAPC videos to have happy mac users as a background? Nov 05 19:28
MinceR obviously crApple products lack the functionality a kiosk needs Nov 05 19:29
twitter not as obvious as PC users being unable to make, edit and upload videos without the help of a Kiosk. Nov 05 19:31
schestowitz MinceR: Not true. Nov 05 19:32
schestowitz You can run Fedora under them. :-) Nov 05 19:32
MinceR but fedora isn’t a crApple product Nov 05 19:32
MinceR it exists outside their little dream world of meticulously designed (with the wrong goals of course), retarded products Nov 05 19:32
twitter So, a Mac with free software is no longer “crApple”? Nov 05 19:33
twitter M$ likes crApple for their advertising department.  M$ has one of the biggest advertising budgets in history.  Does that make M$ the most retarded company in history? Nov 05 19:34
MinceR it’s crApple hardware Nov 05 19:34
MinceR used in a way that’s blasphemous to the fanboys Nov 05 19:34
MinceR m$ has retarded products too Nov 05 19:34
MinceR but it’s a slightly different kind of retarded Nov 05 19:34
twitter Yeah, like BSoD retarded.  Further separated from fresher free software. Nov 05 19:35
MinceR they focus primarily on idiots too, though less so than crApple. Nov 05 19:35
twitter Loser + Loser = Loser.  http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=2… Nov 05 19:37
twitter I wonder if a newly cleaned DoJ will let that fly or if the anti-trust will grow some teeth. Nov 05 19:38
schestowitz anti-what? Nov 05 19:39
twitter I dunno, it’s been eight years since I heard about it. Nov 05 19:39
twitter corn growers for search corruption  http://slashdot.org/~twitter/journal/202702 Nov 05 19:41
schestowitz Vanity. http://asay.blogspot.com/2008/11/… ( Why I’ll never be elected ) Nov 05 19:42
schestowitz Is there a law for jailing those who manipulate the market like this? Nov 05 19:43
twitter The Yahoo side of the “merger” slog http://www.betanews.com/article/Yahoo_to_… Nov 05 19:44
schestowitz “Google-Yahoo! collects some strange enemies [...] The Black Leadership Forum is funded by corporate donations but does not take money from Microsoft.” http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/05/12/ev… Nov 05 19:44
schestowitz It’s LawMedia. Nov 05 19:45
schestowitz They look at the wrong pool. Nov 05 19:45
schestowitz And Microsoft also pressure politicians through other means Nov 05 19:45
_doug ot: Russia to move missiles to Baltic Nov 05 19:45
_doug http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wor… Nov 05 19:45
_doug something I was wondering .. Nov 05 19:45
schestowitz .Maybe they thought McCain would be elected. ;-p Nov 05 19:46
_doug If the US wan’t to defend against Iranian missiles, then why not site the ‘defensive’ shield near Iran instead of thousands of miles away next door to Moscow ? Nov 05 19:46
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_doug “Mr Medvedev also said Russia would jam the US anti-missile system electronically” Nov 05 19:48
_doug ‘Lithuanian President Valdas Adamkus later said that Russia’s decision to deploy missiles was “beyond comprehension”‘ Nov 05 19:48
_doug Why don’t the Russians put missles in Cuba do defend against Columbia ? Nov 05 19:48
_doug :) Nov 05 19:48
schestowitz Colombia? Nov 05 19:49
schestowitz Or US Columbia? Nov 05 19:49
schestowitz Like the US military… took its ‘defence’ against WoMD all the day _into_ Iraq. Nov 05 19:50
_doug it’s the assult on reason .. I object to .. Nov 05 19:50
_doug ‘In a bid to win over future business, Microsoft has announced a programme to give some start-ups free software and support .. Those who qualify will get a three-year subscription to the Microsoft Developer Network as well as cloud services technologies’ Nov 05 19:52
_doug http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/te… Nov 05 19:52
_doug “One of the primary concerns for companies is finding access to our technology” Nov 05 19:52
_doug ??????????????????????? Nov 05 19:52
_doug translation: our Open systems are so open you have to pay us money to send data to other peoples computers .. Nov 05 19:53
_doug “Microsoft has easily saved us $10,000 (£6,200) in software costs through this program.” Nov 05 19:54
schestowitz _doug: yes, the startup thing was mentioned before. Nov 05 19:55
schestowitz Three years and it expires. That’s enough time to lock you in. Nov 05 19:55
schestowitz MSBBC headline reads “Microsoft give start-ups a leg up”. Should be “Microsoft give start-ups a leg up the arse”… the MSBBC is hugely irresponsible for not telling the full story about vendor lock-in and how it works. It read like an advert. Nov 05 19:57
schestowitz Here is the “Testimonial” part of the advert: “Microsoft has easily saved us $10,000 (£6,200) in software costs through this program.” Nov 05 19:58
schestowitz 3 years later: “we went bankrupt because all our expenses were centralised around binaries to access our clients’ crucial data. Nov 05 19:58
twitter Casinos offer investors free drinks.  “We want all of our patrons to be at their peak judgment,” said company spokesman Cindy DeCross.  “The casino easily saved us $10,000 in booze costs through this program.” Nov 05 20:01
kentma How can anyone be so simply fooled?  The money programme should be looking at this. Nov 05 20:02
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twitter Here’s more market manipulation in the Slog on Yahoo.  http://www.forbes.com/afxnewsl… Nov 05 20:03
twitter You can’t just make this stuff up, unless you work for a PR firm. Nov 05 20:03
twitter M$FT is also taking a dump today.  http://finance.google.com/fin… down 3 or 4% Nov 05 20:05
_doug twitter: free drinks .. haaaaa :) Nov 05 20:05
schestowitz twitter: they’d enter debt if they buy YHOO. Nov 05 20:10
schestowitz Original here: http://www.reuters.com/article/americ… Nov 05 20:11
schestowitz “Reporting by Daisuke Wakabayashi and Anupreeta Das in San Francisco; Editing by Phil Berlowitz” Nov 05 20:12
schestowitz Never heard of them./ Nov 05 20:12
schestowitz Oh wait!!!!!!1 Nov 05 20:12
schestowitz Daisuke Wakabayashi Nov 05 20:12
twitter They are already entering debt with stock buybacks.  This will make it double secret debt. Nov 05 20:12
schestowitz http://boycottnovell.com/2008/08/25… Nov 05 20:12
schestowitz Daisuke Wakabayashi is a Microsofter Nov 05 20:12
schestowitz Maybe they try to mess about with the stock value of YHOO again. Nov 05 20:13
twitter see the forbes article above for blatant manipulation Nov 05 20:13
schestowitz They did this before by raising hopes and then squashing them… last done with bait-and-switch from Ballmer and Microsoft (one month ago) Nov 05 20:13
schestowitz There is no FOrbes article. Nov 05 20:14
schestowitz It’s Daisuke Wakabayashi (see BN URL) article for Reuters… same company that attacks FOSS now. Nov 05 20:14
schestowitz Thomson Reuters Sends Zotero a $10 Million EndNote < http://blogs.talis.com/panlibus/archives… > Nov 05 20:15
schestowitz For more details :http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&amp… Nov 05 20:15
twitter I see, it is the same text. Nov 05 20:15
schestowitz ndNote reverse-engineering case looks headed to courtroom .. Thomson Reuters Releases ISI Web of Knowledge and EndNote Web in Nov 05 20:15
schestowitz When I tracked down Reuters I expected to see Jim or something. Nov 05 20:16
schestowitz http://boycottnovell.com/2007/0… Nov 05 20:16
twitter I hate endnote.  They’ve been pushing that crap over biblio at some big dumb publishers. Nov 05 20:18
schestowitz Layoffs at NOVL: http://www.silicon.de/cio/strategie/0,39038989… Nov 05 20:21
twitter *bibtex Nov 05 20:21
schestowitz twitter: my PhD supervisor at the time had me steered to EndNote. I had to then escape it. Nov 05 20:22
schestowitz I found a tool that converted it to bibtex Nov 05 20:22
twitter glad to hear you found a converter. Nov 05 20:22
twitter I don’t know what I would have done without Latex and Kbibtex. Nov 05 20:22
schestowitz http://schestowitz.com/Softwa… Nov 05 20:23
twitter Goes to read a spooky story of what might have been …. Nov 05 20:23
schestowitz [Old page] Universities that give students this drug should be abolished. Brazil already takes some steps like this. Nov 05 20:23
twitter The M$ people tried to push it at LSU.  I’m not sure how far it got. Nov 05 20:26
twitter Web of Knowledge …. did not work very well either. Nov 05 20:26
twitter I got a lot further faster at http://arxiv.org/ Nov 05 20:27
twitter Don’t ask me about paper publications and interlibrary loans.  System was seriously broken. Nov 05 20:28
twitter Ugh, it looks like UK ISPs are going to allow the MAFIAA to kick people off the web http://yro.slashdot.org/article… Nov 05 20:31
schestowitz One minute ago I wrote about Microsoft and Australia’s largest ISPs (going into bed together): http://boycottnovell.com/2008/11… Nov 05 20:32
schestowitz Gordon Clown will happily permit the MAFIAA to police the Internet, which is becoming the main hub of communication. Nov 05 20:33
schestowitz Disney: the new police forces. Nov 05 20:33
*Received a CTCP PING 1225917919 from snasp Nov 05 20:39
twitter FUD Judo http://slashdot.org/firehose… Nov 05 20:54
twitter Happy Mac backdrop a feature of I’m a PC ads http://slashdot.org/firehose.pl?o… Nov 05 20:54
MinceR why not Sad Mac? Nov 05 20:55
twitter They are all the way in the back at the genius bar to be seen from outside. Nov 05 21:03
twitter All the cameras will capture is happy stuff up front. Nov 05 21:04
schestowitz Oh oh… Mandriva’s CEO quit, I think. Nov 05 21:07
schestowitz Another review: http://adventuresinopensource.blogspot.com/… (iffy) Nov 05 21:11
schestowitz Mandriva appoints Hervé Yahi as Chairman – Chief Executive Officer < http://www.mandriva.com/enterprise/en/compan… > Nov 05 21:12
twitter EeeKs, M$FT is a market leading looser, down 6% http://finance.google.com/finance?q=NASDAQ:MSFT Nov 05 21:13
twitter Dow down 5% Nov 05 21:13
twitter US economy lost 157,000 jobs in October.  Biggest in 6 years.  http://www.bizjournals.com/nashv… Nov 05 21:15
schestowitz http://www.junauza.com/2008/11/is-ubu… Nov 05 21:16
twitter ” the total decline in construction jobs since the peak in August 2006 is now 455,000″ Nov 05 21:16
schestowitz Good start for Obama, eh? Some people thought that would fix things. Nov 05 21:16
MinceR ubuntu can’t really kill other distros as they’re compatible with it Nov 05 21:16
schestowitz http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/arc… Nov 05 21:17
schestowitz MinceR: it sucks up potential revenue though. It’s like Oracle to Red Hat. Nov 05 21:17
twitter hey, I’m happy not to worry about invading Iran, and even worse health insurance.  that’s real change that will help really fast. Nov 05 21:17
twitter Ubuntu’s popularity a danger? Nov 05 21:17
MinceR well, business is still a competition, i don’t think that should change Nov 05 21:18
MinceR and the barrier to entry is still lower than ever Nov 05 21:18
MinceR as long as it’s FLOSS, it will stay that way Nov 05 21:18
MinceR (or get lower as the likes of MICROS~1 weaken and die) Nov 05 21:18
_doug gtg .. Nov 05 21:21
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twitter Oh wait, it’s IT Wire.  Don’t tell me it’s BB again.  Nope Sam Vargehsee Nov 05 21:22
trmanco http://blogs.zdnet.com/security/?p=2121 Nov 05 21:23
trmanco oooo Nov 05 21:23
trmanco I seem to be already protected from that … Nov 05 21:23
twitter IT Wire, making a story out of one guy’s blog rant… a new low. Nov 05 21:23
twitter Ubuntu is scoring new GNU/Linux users.  That’s good for everyone. Nov 05 21:23
twitter back later Nov 05 21:25
MinceR indeed. ubuntu is fixing bug #1. :) Nov 05 21:27
MinceR (taking part in fixing it anyway) Nov 05 21:27
MinceR also, it isn’t an ecosystem, it’s a community. Nov 05 21:28
schestowitz http://planet.sabayonlinux.org/?p=200 Nov 05 21:31
schestowitz Community_size=Community_size-1; Nov 05 21:31
schestowitz trmanco: Ryan is exaggerating as usual. I saw that earlier. It’s a DOS flaw, no compromise. Nov 05 21:33
schestowitz Millionaire defends predatory capitalism? http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/227 Nov 05 21:33
schestowitz Business Wee picks an opportunity to bash Linux: http://www.businessweek.com/the_thread/tech… Nov 05 21:34
schestowitz Recycling… where Microsoft tries to resell Windows: http://www.businessweek.com/techno… Nov 05 21:46
schestowitz “Catch ‘em young and they’re yours for life.” http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inqu… ( Microsoft wants to lure Internet startups ) Nov 05 21:50
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