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IRC: #boycottnovell @ FreeNode: November 11th, 2008

Posted in IRC Logs at 4:25 am by Dr. Roy Schestowitz

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schestowitz http://techdirt.com/articles/20081108/… / Nov 11 00:03
schestowitz Good lesson for P2P and the MAFIAA: ‘ Nov 11 00:03
schestowitz “We pointed out how little sense it made for various state attorneys general to force Craigslist to charge for the “erotic services” group. It would appear that at least 40 states’ attorneys general are not chess players, because they only were thinking one move out… the prostitutes would scatter to numerous other sites..” Nov 11 00:03
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twitter A new twist on moderation gaming at Slashdot.  http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1… Nov 11 03:49
twitter They mod my comments up with Funny so they can then label it troll, flambait and other stuff to further sink my account. Nov 11 03:50
twitter They bragged and sure enough, they had done it. Nov 11 03:51
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Omar87 Good evening everyone Nov 11 05:16
Omar87 I’ve been reading some articles here and there for people who seem worried that Windows 7 might eat the market in 2010, and that Linux might be in bad position due to that. Nov 11 05:17
Omar87 What do you guys think? Nov 11 05:17
Omar87 Hello? Nov 11 05:18
Omar87 !gnu Nov 11 05:19
Omar87 Hello? Nov 11 05:29
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Omar87 Anyone wants to talk? Nov 11 07:56
MinceR http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?si… Nov 11 07:59
schestowitz Hey, Omar87. Nov 11 08:07
*schestowitz just woke up a while ago. Nov 11 08:08
Omar87 I’ve been reading some articles here and there for people who seem worried that Windows 7 might eat the market in 2010, and that Linux might be in bad position due to that. Nov 11 08:10
Omar87 What do you guys think? Nov 11 08:11
schestowitz It’s fear-mongering Nov 11 08:12
schestowitz A good new response is this: http://www.linux-watch.com/news… Nov 11 08:12
schestowitz As Microsoft puts it:: “In the face of strong competition, Evangelism’s focus may shift immediately to the next version of the same technology, however. Indeed, Phase 1 (Evangelism Starts) for version x+1 may start as soon as this Final Release of version X.” — Microsoft, internal document [PDF] < http://boycottnovell.com/wp-c… > Nov 11 08:13
schestowitz Microsoft is running scared. It threw Vista away, it gives XP almost for free now and it only raves about software that does not exist (Vista 7, AKA SP2, AKA Mojave, AKA ME3, AKA 7apourware). Nov 11 08:13
schestowitz dsg Nov 11 08:22
Omar87 hehehehe. :) Nov 11 08:22
Omar87 Well then I guess, as Red Hat’s prophecy states, this should be the “they fight you” phase. Nov 11 08:23
Omar87 Just a couple of miles away from the “you win”. ;) Nov 11 08:23
schestowitz It’s called “Slog”. See the PDF in the link above. Nov 11 08:25
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schestowitz They try to pretend that they have already won.. even years before having a product, which is just Another Vista. Nov 11 08:25
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Omar87 Yeah man, that best proof for that is the way they bribe journalists and bloggers to lie for them. Nov 11 08:27
schestowitz I sent it around yesterday. Nov 11 08:30
schestowitz Some reporters need to know who is in Microsoft’s pocket. Nov 11 08:30
schestowitz I was sorry to find out about Jason Brooks, but I gave him (and others) some credit for the disclosure. They hurry up now (pressure from both sides) to return these laptops… at least those who showed up and commented. Nov 11 08:30
schestowitz As an unnamed journalist told me yesterday: “I’m really rather interested in all those ones we don’t know about. Most of the ones you list at least say where they got the machines. I’ll be keeping a close eye out for reviews from smaller sites, which aren’t as frank.” Nov 11 08:31
schestowitz Open source fanciers finger Beeb’s Win 7 ‘sales presentation’ < http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/11/11/… > Nov 11 08:52
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MinceR geekings Nov 11 09:37
schestowitz CHANGE: http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/… ( Barack Obama plans quick transfer of Guantanamo Bay suspects to US ) Nov 11 10:42
schestowitz http://technocrat.net/d/2008/11/10/53892 “How about letting them live in the USA? I’m serious, your administration picked them up, held them without trial, locked them up for years, and now wants to release them to “somewhere”? Many of them aren’t allowed back where they came from, others have nothing to go back to.” Nov 11 10:43
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MinceR http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h147/… Nov 11 10:50
schestowitz Good for him. He got fired, so he won’t be literally FIRED. Nov 11 10:53
schestowitz Report: Man who shared ‘Chinese Democracy’ to plead guilty < http://news.cnet.com/8301-1023_3-1009321… > Nov 11 10:55
schestowitz Dangers of SaaS demonstrated: Microsoft Won’t Budge on Hotmail Redesign < http://www.pcworld.com/article/153622/mic… > Nov 11 10:58
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schestowitz Vista 7: the truth… http://www.pcworld.com/article/153… Nov 11 11:01
schestowitz Nvidia Rolls out $3,500 Graphics Board, Not for Gamers: “With 102G bytes per second of memory bandwidth, the board has a fill rate of 52 billion texture elements (texels) per second and can draw 300 million triangles per second, Nvidia said.” < http://www.pcworld.com/article/… > Nov 11 11:07
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schestowitz http://www.pcworld.com/article/153624… “Otherwise, Windows 7 operates much like Vista. There are subtle visual tweaks here and there, but nothing on the level of the dramatic XP-to-Vista transition. Ironically, Vista users may be more annoyed by the UI changes than users coming from XP.” Nov 11 11:13
schestowitz Quite different from the ‘bought’ reviews: http://boycottnovell.com/2008/11/10/summ… . I know this strategy is a bit abrasive, but in the future (for reference) I need to show people why reviews are claimed to be “positive”. Nov 11 11:13
schestowitz Sun helps MSN now. We ought to be put off by Sun lending a hand to a convicted monopolist that constantly attacks Free software. Where’s the logic? It seems more like Microsoft hubris, characterised by its “Slog tactics” < http://www.groklaw.net/articlebasic.php?s… >. Nov 11 11:20
schestowitz More MS bribes… Microsoft Steps Up Program To Bribe Users To Search < http://techdirt.com/articles/20081109… > Nov 11 11:26
schestowitz Bribe with laptops, bribe for use, reviews, bribe to stuff ballots, bribe Nigerian officials to drop Linux… I still put most of the blame on Microsoft, which ‘seeds’ those gifts to eliminate trust on the Web. It did the same thing to ISO. Nov 11 11:27
schestowitz They ruin trust in the IT world. I had about 100GB of traffic in boycottnovell.com last month, but I make no money from it. It’s volunteering, it’s about truth, and it’s a shame if money leads people to accusing me of being a shill. Some people still throw these accusations at PJ… Microsoft is ruining it for many of us. Nov 11 11:27
schestowitz Dana goes on the high horse now and pretends that Microsoft is to be ignored < http://blogs.zdnet.com/open… > (not that he ignores them himself). Nov 11 11:28
schestowitz Call me old fashioned and naive, but a lot of the problems we have in Free software are caused by one company and its /ecosystem/, which includes people like Ed Bott and firms like Wipro that change laws, stuff ballots, and sign MoUs. Nov 11 11:28
schestowitz They, unlike us, serve a company, not freedom. The same cannot be said about Apple fans. Whether we’re doing some moral or not does not depend much on the means and I try to be gentle and polite. Sometimes just saying the truth as it is (bluntly, not rudely) can be perceived as impolite. Bruce Byfield calls further and calls advice “an attack”. In case it’s needed, I catalogued recipients of Vista 7 [sic] laptops (bribes. Nov 11 11:29
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schestowitz *LOL* Microsoft Jack (Schofield) pwn3d: http://notnews.today.com/… Nov 11 11:35
macabe Some people hate it when you show them what their real behavior is. Nov 11 11:35
schestowitz Which ones specifically? Nov 11 11:36
macabe It’s like showing them a mirror and they don’t like what they see; the laptop bribes. Nov 11 11:36
schestowitz They know who I am. I don’t say what I say anonymously. BTW, don’t believe what they say. It was the same story in 2006… they ‘lose’ the gift only after getting exposed… Microsoft freaks out and readers lose trust in the bloggers. Nov 11 11:38
macabe I know, it’s a little ms history repeating. The 90′s type marketing. Nov 11 11:39
macabe MS figures if something dirty gets labeled as good enough times, it would then be good. Nov 11 11:41
schestowitz http://www.accessmylibrary.com/coms… http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/07/18/micro… Nov 11 11:42
schestowitz http://www.fool.com/investing/value/2006/02/15… “This sweepstakes the latest salvo in the search wars: If you can’t beat ‘em, bribe their users. Given its lag in the search market, Microsoft might as well give it a shot.” Nov 11 11:43
schestowitz http://news.zdnet.com/2100-9595… “Microsoft hardly needs an SCO source license. Its license payment to SCO is simply a good-looking way to pass along a bribe, “ Nov 11 11:43
schestowitz http://www.dissidentvoice.org/… “Doesn’t Microsoft bribe governments in Asia, and didn’t United Fruit topple governments in Latin America?” Nov 11 11:46
schestowitz “Oct. 19: The trial begins. Government attorneys accuse Microsoft of using its monopoly position to bully, bribe and attempt to collude with others in the industry, while illegally expanding and protecting its Windows franchise.” < http://community.seattletimes.nwsource.com/archiv… > Nov 11 11:47
schestowitz Hotmail posts decline in traffic in U.S. < http://blog.seattlepi.nwsource.com/microsoft/… > Nov 11 11:50
schestowitz MinceR would love this one: http://news.cnet.com/8301-13505_3-10093110-16.html “The irony here is that Matt professes to be an advocate of open source whilst fawning over the world’s most closed operating system. Can we get a LOL?” Nov 11 12:02
MinceR and asay’s pathetic excuse Nov 11 12:03
schestowitz Yup. Seen that too. Nov 11 12:03
schestowitz The o/s doesn’t matter… it’s kind of, well.. opens-source-exploiting. Nov 11 12:04
schestowitz If only he had used FOSS on his Mac (he doesn’t AKAIK). Anyway… ” “Recycled” computer components are illegally sent to China for poor people to pick apart the toxic components. This is what globalization of commerce really means.” < http://www.stallman.org/archives/2008-sep-… > Nov 11 12:04
schestowitz Obama will move to veto Bush laws < http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/… >; The high priests of the bubble economy [...] If Barack Obama really wants things to change, he shouldn’t be seeking economic advice from Clinton-era officials” < http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/… > Nov 11 12:06
schestowitz I never thought I’d say this, but look at a cute fish: http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/… Nov 11 12:08
MinceR if only the “cloud” matters, why doesn’t he ditch his crApple stuff and use a netbook running linux anyway? Nov 11 12:08
schestowitz MinceR: don’t confuse him. He got these excuses all worked out. I mailed him about it in the past… he enjoys the many comments from the Apple ‘cultists’… the FOSS posts don’t get as much attention ($$) Nov 11 12:09
schestowitz Migi is flogging some Silverlight for the masses (good job, Novell?): http://tirania.org/blog/archiv… Nov 11 12:13
schestowitz We should start a donation project, amassing a bribe for Microsoft to just hire Miguel de Icaza. It would at leave Novell a little more sane and less harmful to FOSS. He’s more effective to them when he works inside ‘enemy lines’ though. Nov 11 12:15
MinceR novell would still be a slave to m$ due to the deals Nov 11 12:15
MinceR the community should just move on Nov 11 12:16
MinceR and ignore novell Nov 11 12:16
schestowitz Self-professed M&M (Matt and Miguel)… open-source fans: one misleads and drives the FOSS people to Microsoft and another one to Apple. Nov 11 12:19
schestowitz http://opsamericas.com/?p=889 It would be great if they had shown GNU/Linux, as opposed to Microsoft Linux. Nov 11 12:20
MinceR indeed Nov 11 12:24
schestowitz http://bushweed.blogspot.com/2008/11/free-as… “I have generally found that the features that you find in software such as Gimp or Blender are on par with their commercial counterparts, but the artists i have worked with claim they have no clue how to use Blender ( although i found it pretty intuitive, i guess the programmer mentality came out in the UI ).” Nov 11 12:32
schestowitz http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquirer/news/… “The OU provides students with technical support, but only if they use Microsoft software. It advises students that if they don’t use a Windows PC they “may have problems accessing the software and data files supplied with course materials”. It has produced a 31-page guide to using Microsoft software and extensive demonstrations.” Nov 11 12:41
schestowitz Open University????? “The OU does distribute copies of the Open Source Star Office to all students, but that endorsement pales in comparison to its backing of Microsoft. It has given no such advice, support or endorsement of Ubuntu, the free operating system lauded as the Open Source movement’s viable alternative to Windows.” Nov 11 12:42
schestowitz Top 10 Most Irritating Expressions in the English language < http://news.cnet.com/8301-13846_3… > “My most hated fake/real word is incentivize.” Nov 11 12:48
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schestowitz Response to Novell’s OpenSUSE ‘community’ manager: “http://talkback.zdnet.com/5208-17929… (Puke) “Not only do we have to deal with thousands of kids named Barak, we have to deal with “community” being the new tech buzzword. Stop the ride, I want to get off.” Nov 11 13:26
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schestowitz Response to “Despite weak economy, strong demand for community managers” < http://blogs.zdnet.com/community/?p=127 > ["Joe 'Zonker' Brockmeier is a longtime FOSS advocate, and currently works for Novell as the community manager for openSUSE."] Nov 11 13:27
schestowitz Hey, anivar, kapipi, what’s up? Nov 11 13:27
anivar schestowitz:  nothing new :-) Nov 11 13:27
anivar hot news here is some political parties trying to hijack Free software Movement Nov 11 13:28
anivar Anyway it is good if it is in a Free Software way Nov 11 13:29
schestowitz Hijack? How so? Nov 11 13:29
schestowitz I read 3 weeks ago about a party supporting Free software though. Nov 11 13:29
schestowitz Linux.com had an article. Nov 11 13:29
schestowitz Now is a good time top tap minds because people are looking for a Nov 11 13:30
schestowitz for change. Nov 11 13:30
MinceR Q: What’s the difference between Lem’s Solaris and Sun’s Solaris? A: One’s an alien presence that drives all who encounter it mad, and the other one’s been made into a movie by Andrei Tarkovsky. Nov 11 13:41
schestowitz I’ve never tried Solaris, but I connect to a Solaris storage server sometimes. As for the film, I watch it with my g/f at the time. Nov 11 13:45
schestowitz *watched Nov 11 13:45
PetoKraus schestowitz: dunno if you know, but this one is nice: http://tech.slashdot.org/art… Nov 11 13:47
schestowitz It sounds like old news because it happens all the time. :-) Nov 11 13:49
schestowitz AVG virus scanner removes critical Windows file < http://securityandthe.net/2008/11/10/… > It’s NOT a bug, it’s a FEATURE. Nov 11 13:50
PetoKraus well yes Nov 11 13:51
PetoKraus user32 can be considered virus Nov 11 13:51
PetoKraus PEBKAC Nov 11 13:51
anivar schestowitz:  it is a diferent story. Left parties see Free software is a way to mobilse Knowledge workers to trade unions Nov 11 13:55
anivar but they are trying to do it in party way . not free software way. All process to get the power structures first or make the structures first policy. but they cant achive it without contributing Nov 11 13:57
anivar The linux.com story is about a right wing party Nov 11 13:57
schestowitz They appeal to public using buzzwords many times. At least Cuba and Brazil put their money where their mouth is. I don’t know about India though. From what I can gather, Microsoft India bribes quite a lot (incentivises) to harm Freedom. It’s a mess internally at Microsoft India. Nov 11 13:57
anivar schestowitz: Microsoft is starting usergroups in India Nov 11 13:58
anivar see http://K-mug.org  for an example Nov 11 13:58
schestowitz Blech Nov 11 13:58
schestowitz They dilute the notion of “Linux Users Group” (LUG) Nov 11 13:58
schestowitz Like “shared source” Nov 11 13:58
schestowitz Or ‘Open’ XML Nov 11 13:59
schestowitz Haha. Kerala. “Kerala Microsoft Users Group” Bunch of people who are recruited to loot Kerala along with Microsoft? Nov 11 13:59
schestowitz “Microsoft & INETA (international .NET association) provide the technical materials (CDs, books, online resources etc) , infrastructure support and faculties for conducting a statewide seminar drive, which would educate and inform the public and the student community about the Microsoft Technologies.” Nov 11 13:59
schestowitz I saw something about them trying to use donations to fight Free(dom) software in Kerala Nov 11 14:00
anivar schestowitz:  They posted invitation in a lug recently Nov 11 14:01
anivar I replied as follows Nov 11 14:01
anivar I will be interested if Nov 11 14:01
anivar K-MUG’s agenda is Nov 11 14:01
anivar    *  fix the file system security of your OS and save the world from Nov 11 14:01
anivar virus menace Nov 11 14:01
anivar    * release your software under a free software license, and Nov 11 14:01
anivar continue to rule the world, we will make you people as our heros. Nov 11 14:01
anivar    * provide support for free and open standards. Nov 11 14:01
anivar    * Stop patenting prior art and calling it innovation. In fact stop Nov 11 14:01
anivar patenting software. Nov 11 14:01
anivar    * use REAL technical innovation to let more people access and Nov 11 14:01
anivar create knowledge effortlessly, and not to restrict access. That is to Nov 11 14:01
anivar say avoid DRM. Nov 11 14:01
schestowitz I’m going to do a post about this later. Nov 11 14:02
anivar the website says there is meeting in cochin on Nov 15 th. A National conference on Free software is happening on same city on 15th and 18th Nov 11 14:03
anivar 15th and 16th (typo Nov 11 14:03
schestowitz Just a coincidence? Nov 11 14:04
schestowitz Like the coincidences they do all the time? Nov 11 14:04
schestowitz Or the parties they have next door? Nov 11 14:04
anivar http://nfm2008.atps.in/ Nov 11 14:04
schestowitz Or the XBox parties and boats that ‘collide’ with the launch of PS3? Nov 11 14:04
anivar hehe Nov 11 14:05
anivar schestowitz:  Did u heared anything on IGF (Internet governance forum) Nov 11 14:05
schestowitz it’s always just a coincidence. The drug deal just ‘happens’ to be near the schoolyard when the kids finish school precisely at 2 PM. Nov 11 14:05
schestowitz I haven’t no. Nov 11 14:06
anivar it is is happening in India (Hyderabad) this year. If you find something interesting plz point Nov 11 14:06
schestowitz OK Nov 11 14:07
schestowitz I’ve got to go now. Was supposed to leave a while ago actually. Nov 11 14:07
anivar schestowitz:  ok Nov 11 14:09
anivar schestowitz:  http://www.pluggd.in/entrepreneurship/why-wip… Nov 11 14:18
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jose schestowitz, a link for when you come back. Not sure the significance of it, but I dislike all deals with Microsoft. Microsoft might gain a lot during a recession if companies in trouble turn towards them. Nov 11 15:13
jose http://tech.yahoo.com/news/ap/20081… Nov 11 15:13
jose >> Through the agreement with Microsoft, computer users installing the Java software will be able to check a box to get the MSN toolbar, too. (As the programs download, Sun also opens a window promoting OpenOffice programs — a free competitor to Microsoft Office software.) Nov 11 15:13
jose >> Sun has struck similar deals with Google and Yahoo in the past. The Yahoo agreement, which offers a Yahoo search toolbar to people who use the Firefox browser, will continue, but the Google deal is ending, said Sun’s vice president of Java marketing, Eric Klein. Nov 11 15:13
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twitter good morning.  Slashdot covered a Kennedy article about Vista 7  http://tech.slashdot.org/article.p… Nov 11 16:34
twitter -=SLAP=- Nov 11 16:34
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PetoKraus been there, modded that. Nov 11 16:44
_doug Mattrick adamant he invented avatars Nov 11 16:45
_doug http://www.eurogamer.net/articl… Nov 11 16:45
_doug “I’m claiming to have invented avatars! I did 4D Sports Boxing! Do you know what 4D Boxing was? Hey, you should be writing this! That was me,” Nov 11 16:45
_doug “A bug in the code for Google’s first Android phone causes it to reboot when users type in the word ‘reboot” Nov 11 16:54
_doug http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/t… Nov 11 16:54
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_doug “Thomas Edison’s business model was very similar to ours” , Nathan Myhrvold Nov 11 17:15
_doug http://news.cnet.com/8301-1… Nov 11 17:15
twitter Not even Tesla would agree with that. Nov 11 17:16
_doug Well yea, which is why Edison had to sell a dual licensed product the ‘Ediswan’, after Swan discovered Edison borrowed his design .. :) Nov 11 17:16
_doug “In the year 1883 the Edison & Swan United Electric Light Company, Limited was formed.” Nov 11 17:16
_doug http://home.frognet.net/~ejc… Nov 11 17:16
_doug Edison did pre-announce his design .. Nov 11 17:17
_doug “in 1875, Swan returned to consider the problem of the light bulb with the aid of a better vacuum and a carbonised thread” Nov 11 17:17
_doug http://en.wikipedia.org/wik… Nov 11 17:17
_doug http://www.ideafinder.com/history/inventi… Nov 11 17:20
_doug All wrong, it was Nathan Myhrvolds IVentures that ‘invented’ the lightbulb … :) Nov 11 17:21
_doug ‘there’s a new model, called “invention capital,” that’s similar to venture capital in that “you create an algorithmic way that people can get funded.”‘, Nathan Myhrvold Nov 11 17:23
_doug I have invented an algorithmic method of inventing a computational device that understands and reacts to the spoken word at a high level of comprehension .. Nov 11 17:25
_doug Like, I could utter the phrase ‘make me tea, Earl Gray’ and the computational device would congure up a-cup-of-tea out of thin air .. Nov 11 17:26
_doug It would understand not to convert my molecules into a cup of Earl Gray .. :) Nov 11 17:27
_doug Is this satire ? Nov 11 17:30
_doug “Before Gates arrived on the computer scene in the mid-1970s, a wide variety of different machines cohabitated, but none of them could communicate with one another, and they had little in common. Gates’s first bolt of genius was to unify them with Microsoft’s BASIC programming language.” Nov 11 17:31
_doug http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/style/longt… Nov 11 17:31
_doug none of them could communicate ? because of a lack of basic ??? Nov 11 17:31
_doug Does Darpa know of this ? Nov 11 17:32
twitter BASIC.  Yes, this is still how I email my friends.  I send them a floppy by US Post.  When they boot the floppy, it displays my message and invites a response. Nov 11 17:34
_doug “The ARPANET went into labor on August 30, 1969,” Nov 11 17:34
_doug http://www.livinginternet.com/i/ii_arpanet.htm Nov 11 17:34
twitter This is superior, by far, to Unix talk, mail and other commands. Nov 11 17:34
_doug twitter: haaaaa Haaaaaaaaa Nov 11 17:34
_doug “Barbarians Led by Bill Gates” haven’t read it .. seems a hoot .. written in the currrent stype of bad-faction .. in that it read like a bad screen play .. I wonder who is going to play NAthan and Bill in the movie ? Nov 11 17:35
_doug “Nathan Myhrvold .. used the DVORAK keyboard, designed in 1936, which allowed him to type up to 100 percent faster” Nov 11 17:39
_doug http://www.truveo.com/A-Revolut… Nov 11 17:39
_doug “less than ten years later, Microsoft did it again. It brought graphics to the PC and set the new standard with Windows” Nov 11 17:41
_doug Why isn’t this statement true ? Nov 11 17:41
_doug Does anyone remember Doom on DR-DOS ? Nov 11 17:42
_doug WOW .. this one is a hoot … Nov 11 17:43
_doug “In early 1992, they had established a project called Homer  .. it was this initiative that eventually gave rise to the Remote Information Protocol.” Nov 11 17:43
_doug “The idea behind RIP, a concept that Netscape would later realize so beautifully, was to create a graphical user interface that would allow computer users to connect to information providers, much like today’s World Wide Web” Nov 11 17:43
_doug I didn’t know Netscape ripped off Microsoft over the browser and the WWW ??? Nov 11 17:44
schestowitz twitter: thanks, I saw that earlier. Nov 11 17:44
_doug If that’s the case, then why did MS have to buy a browser from Spyglass ? Nov 11 17:44
_doug schest: get a load of those quotes .. Nov 11 17:45
schestowitz Kennedy attacked Linux before, but he’s doing a good job saying the truth about Vista and Vista 7 now. Nov 11 17:45
schestowitz _doug: I saw the avatar article. I’ll post it later. Nov 11 17:45
_doug “If Microsoft had simply bundled the RIP technology in the next version of its operating systems, the World Wide Web may have evolved in a very different way, leaving nothing for Netscape to create.” Nov 11 17:45
schestowitz There’s more on Gates and his potential trolling firm. Nov 11 17:45
_doug http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/sty… Nov 11 17:45
_doug it’s old but good … Nov 11 17:46
_doug How BG and Nathan really invented everything ? Nov 11 17:46
_doug Which begs the question as to why they didn’t patent the WWW ? as they invented it way back … Nov 11 17:46
schestowitz _doug: will you IMPLEMENT that tea-making algorithm? Nov 11 17:49
schestowitz Wasn’t doomed originally developed for OS/2? Nov 11 17:51
schestowitz _doug: Bill’s new patents are related to the Web. Nov 11 17:52
schestowitz Many of the trolling suits these days seem to target SaaSy companies like Digg, Google, Amazon… Nov 11 17:53
schestowitz I say this cause you brought up the Web and Bill’s new ‘startup’ (probably troll) seems to be obtaining patents in this area. Nov 11 17:53
schestowitz And then there’s the speculation that Microsoft wants Yahoo for its patents… to attack Google with. Nov 11 17:53
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schestowitz InfoW0rld just got in touch with me. They do an article on MicrosoftNovell.  I’d be doing an interview, preferably by E-mail. I hope that Shane responds to them as well. Nov 11 18:02
twitter WinTel Press Loves You.  :-D Nov 11 18:05
schestowitz Yes, I wondered why they had contacted me after the things I said about them (and him specifically) Nov 11 18:05
schestowitz Same with /. Nov 11 18:05
twitter In other news, M$ flirts with another 52 week low,  http://finance.google.com/finance?q=NASDAQ:MSFT  All they have to lose is another $0.25 Nov 11 18:07
schestowitz There’s no public disclosure re: buyback pace. Nov 11 18:14
schestowitz Which is interesting cause you’d think a publicly-traded company needs to tell /WHEN/ it buys and approaches debt. Nov 11 18:15
schestowitz Lack of such disclosure is room for mischief and inside-trading. Nov 11 18:15
schestowitz 52Wk Low:  20.65   Nov 11 18:16
_doug later .. Nov 11 18:18
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twitter here is some welcome and long overdue news  http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2… Nov 11 18:33
twitter How nice of Citigroup to stop kicking people out of their houses! Nov 11 18:33
twitter look out for bullshit about “self regulation” to make the rounds instead of putting reasonable caps on interest rates Nov 11 18:35
schestowitz I woke up with the radio this morning, as usual. Nov 11 18:35
twitter ” 4 million US borrowers are at least one payment behind on their loans, with 500,000 in the process of losing their property.” Nov 11 18:36
schestowitz While still semi-asleep I could help listening to and remembering what Gordon brown said… Nov 11 18:36
twitter oh, bad dreams. Nov 11 18:36
schestowitz Something along the lines of the bailout kicking off the ecnomy Nov 11 18:36
twitter bad joke Nov 11 18:36
schestowitz Which I laughed about at the gym this afternoon…. how is making people pay tax through their noses “kicking off the economy” Nov 11 18:37
schestowitz Maybe he meant “ripping off” the ecnomy. Nov 11 18:37
schestowitz As in, letting ‘the people’ pay for the greed of the corrupt people who never got time in prison. Nov 11 18:37
twitter taxes so bankers can make their bonus.  trickle down, you know, like being pissed on is so motivating.  Expect a boom! Nov 11 18:37
schestowitz “US government’s $700bn (£444bn) bail-out fund. …” Mini money, eh? Nov 11 18:38
trmanco http://www.gizmodo.com.au/2008/11/wha… Nov 11 19:15
schestowitz whois.net won’t give nothing for  k-mug.org: Nov 11 19:15
schestowitz I’m trying to find other lookup tools. Nov 11 19:15
schestowitz └─(19:15 $)─> whois Nov 11 19:15
schestowitz bash: whois: command not found Nov 11 19:15
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twitter Domain ID:D153405496-LROR Nov 11 19:33
twitter Domain Name:K-MUG.ORG Nov 11 19:33
twitter Created On:21-Jul-2008 04:07:27 UTC Nov 11 19:33
twitter Last Updated On:20-Sep-2008 03:52:20 UTC Nov 11 19:33
twitter Expiration Date:21-Jul-2009 04:07:27 UTC Nov 11 19:33
twitter Sponsoring Registrar:GoDaddy.com, Inc. (R91-LROR) Nov 11 19:33
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schestowitz Yes, I got it. Nov 11 19:34
schestowitz Thanks. Nov 11 19:34
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twitter ugh, fat cats at AIG lap it up again, http://www.abcnews.go.com/Blo… Nov 11 19:48
schestowitz “Even as the company was pleading the federal government for another $40 billion dollars in loans, AIG sent top executives to a secret gathering at a luxury resort in Phoenix last week.” Nov 11 19:52
schestowitz Reward for corruption, while it lasts. Nov 11 19:52
schestowitz Love the headline: “Wall Street of Shame” Nov 11 19:53
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schestowitz Hiring Slows for Indian IT Services and Call Centers <  http://www.pcworld.com/article/153656/hiring… > Nov 11 20:11
schestowitz “All things considered, I’d rather stick with my Linux desktops and Mac OS X. Windows 7 looks to be better than Vista right now, but no one knows when it will actually arrive , and in the meantime, I have work to do. But the fact is, like New Coke back in its day, my first taste of Vista SE is leaving a bad taste in my mouth.” http://www.pcworld.com/article/1536… Nov 11 20:15
schestowitz Another man tries to flip an argument upside down: Netbooks: Opportunity for Windows, Threat to Linux < http://www.pcworld.com/article/153663… > Nov 11 20:19
schestowitz Sure, sure… Microsoft needed an ‘opportunity’ to sell Windows (XP) for just  $0-19  to ‘save’ it from Linux’s domination of large desktops…yeah… Nov 11 20:20
schestowitz Logic all backwards… part the sort of slog that speaks of Vista 7 vapourware too… similar to Preston Gralla’s FUD. Nov 11 20:21
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trmanco http://www.linux-watch.com/news/NS4… Nov 11 20:34
trmanco “Novell has launched a “competitive replacement” program aimed at luring Red Hat and CentOS users to its SUSE Linux Enterprise Server (SLES) product. Through the program, Novell will support customers’ RHEL or CentOS servers for up to two years, while the customer migrates to SLES.” Nov 11 20:34
schestowitz Endorsed by Microsoft? Nov 11 20:35
trmanco Don’t know Nov 11 20:35
trmanco http://www.debian-administra… Nov 11 20:38
trmanco Booting Debian in 14 seconds Nov 11 20:38
schestowitz It was a rhetorical question. :-) Nov 11 20:40
_doug Where did Novell learn that dirty trick .. Nov 11 20:44
_doug Why not offer the same deal to Windows-Server users ? Nov 11 20:44
_doug What would happen if RHEL offered the same deal to Windows-server users ? Nov 11 20:44
schestowitz _doug: has Novell (or Microsoft) done this before? Nov 11 20:45
schestowitz Like… Microsoft supporting Lotus? Nov 11 20:45
schestowitz http://boycottnovell.com/2008/1… Nov 11 20:45
schestowitz Does anyone have E-mail addresses of Novell execs like Dragoon, Steinman or Hovo Sapient? Nov 11 20:47
trmanco *LOL* Nov 11 20:52
trmanco M% already advertising IE8 Nov 11 20:52
trmanco omg Nov 11 20:52
_doug done this before: only Ellisons Oracle .. Nov 11 20:52
trmanco Has the final version been released? Nov 11 20:52
_doug They did offer money to peopel to destroy their Lotus’ floppy disks .. Nov 11 20:53
trmanco http://blogs.computerworld.com/t… -> Saw the ad here btw Nov 11 20:53
schestowitz trmanco: they just market vapourware Nov 11 20:58
_doug Microsoft breaks HotMail for Linux users? .. Nov 11 20:58
_doug http://www.linux-watch.com/ne… Nov 11 20:58
trmanco schestowitz, as always :-P Nothing new Nov 11 20:58
_doug where’s the interop~1 ? Nov 11 20:58
schestowitz “In the face of strong competition [e.g. Firefox, Opera, Safari], Evangelism’s focus may shift immediately to the next version of the same technology, however. Indeed, Phase 1 (Evangelism Starts) for version x+1 may start as soon as this Final Release of version X.” http://boycottnovell.com/wp-content/… Nov 11 20:58
schestowitz Only Microsoft uses this word “Evangelism”. It’s legalised shilling with the substring “angel” Nov 11 20:59
schestowitz _doug: that’s what *I* said. :-) http://boycottnovell.com/2008/11/… Nov 11 20:59
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_doug I see .. keep ‘upgrading’ so as the current browsers break with hotmail :) Nov 11 21:01
schestowitz http://go.theregister.com/feed/www.ther… “Londoners came out top as “best regional” users of the apostrophe, with a 78 per cent hit rate. Rather agreeably, the 55+ age range came bottom of the class nationwide, while 25 to 34-year-olds managed to match the capital with 78 per cent of correct answers – surprising, the Telegraph notes, since the latter have not had the benefit of the “proper” Nov 11 21:02
schestowitz old-school grammar guidance enjoyed by the former.” Nov 11 21:02
_doug Did anyone at port25 not test Hotmail with Firefox running on Linux ? Nov 11 21:03
schestowitz Its so stupid that it’s sources are the Telegraph and it’s Microsoft Jack s [sic sic sic] Nov 11 21:03
MinceR _doug: are they even allowed to use those? Nov 11 21:04
schestowitz Pardon me Microsoft Windows 7, your Firefox is showing : http://www.itwire.com/content/view/… Nov 11 21:04
schestowitz Yahoo.com promoting Firefox 3! : http://stuff.techwhack.co… Nov 11 21:04
schestowitz Microsoft tells Mac users to get Firefox : http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquirer/ne… Nov 11 21:04
schestowitz Microsoft PR bunnies love Firefox – shocka : http://www.theinquirer.net/de… Nov 11 21:05
schestowitz Firefox at Mix08 : http://lxer.com/module/newswi… Nov 11 21:05
_doug “Is Microsoft working to better interface with some of the Linux and OSS products? You bet” Nov 11 21:05
_doug http://port25.technet.com/archive/2007/… Nov 11 21:05
schestowitz IE7 users: beware! Microsoft telling their staff not to touch it… : http://forums.tauonline.org/index.ph… Nov 11 21:05
schestowitz [Humour] Microsoft’s Future Former CEO Throws Tables During Interview : http://www.theagencyblog.com/2007… Nov 11 21:06
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schestowitz Microsoft adCenter Suggests Accessing Site Using Firefox! : http://blogtheinternet.com/2006/12/06/mic… Nov 11 21:06
trmanco schestowitz, 404 Nov 11 21:07
schestowitz Try Web Archive Nov 11 21:07
schestowitz http://www4.archive.org/ Nov 11 21:07
_doug re: Novell offering transitional support to RHEL users, is this a case of Linux not cutting into Unix sales .. as per the orthodoxy as uttered in Redmond ? Nov 11 21:08
trmanco http://web.archive.org/web/20070127050… Nov 11 21:09
trmanco 404′ed by MS Nov 11 21:10
trmanco Nov 11 21:10
_doug That latest Novell dodge, attacking REHL by bribing RHs own customers .. enough is enough … Nov 11 21:15
_doug I did think Roys Boycott Novell call-to-arms msg was a little over the top .. Nov 11 21:16
_doug But this is the final straw~1 … Nov 11 21:16
schestowitz trmanco: heh. not because of Microsoft. Nov 11 21:19
schestowitz I might have a copy Nov 11 21:19
schestowitz Oh, it’s 2007. I make copies only since 2008 or so. Nov 11 21:20
trmanco schestowitz, why did they /delete/ or 404′ed it then? Nov 11 21:20
schestowitz No, no local copy (just checked). I have a snippet though. Nov 11 21:20
trmanco database or permalink porbems? Nov 11 21:20
trmanco problems* Nov 11 21:20
schestowitz http://blogtheinternet.com/2006/12/06/mic… Nov 11 21:21
schestowitz Microsoft Steers Firefox Users Wrong On XP SP1 Nov 11 21:21
schestowitz ,—-[ Quote ] Nov 11 21:21
schestowitz | After the Oct. 10 security updates, Microsoft will no longer distribute Nov 11 21:21
schestowitz | fixes to Windows XP SP1 users, including any meant to patch IE 6 SP1, Nov 11 21:21
schestowitz | the browser edition included with the pack. In addition, Windows XP SP1 Nov 11 21:21
schestowitz | users will not be able to update to the more secure IE 7 when that Nov 11 21:21
schestowitz | releases in final form later this year. Nov 11 21:21
schestowitz `—- Nov 11 21:21
schestowitz http://news.yahoo.com/s/cmp… Nov 11 21:21
schestowitz   End of signed message Nov 11 21:21
schestowitz Google the following… Nov 11 21:21
schestowitz Nov 11 21:21
schestowitz ,—-[ Quote ] Nov 11 21:21
schestowitz | At a dead end here, I decided to contact the Microsoft adCenter Nov 11 21:21
schestowitz | Support center at their toll-free number, 800-518-5689. Within Nov 11 21:21
schestowitz | minutes I was connected to a woman named Helen from their call Nov 11 21:21
schestowitz | center in Seattle. I explained what the situation was to Helen, Nov 11 21:21
schestowitz | and immediately she wanted to help troubleshoot the problem. Nov 11 21:21
schestowitz | Nov 11 21:21
schestowitz | Helen asked me if I had other Web browsers installed on my Nov 11 21:21
schestowitz | computer, such as Firefox. Nov 11 21:21
schestowitz | Priceless! I asked Helen if I heard her correctly? I asked Nov 11 21:21
schestowitz | her if she wanted me to try to access the sign up page using Nov 11 21:21
schestowitz | Firefox. She again, prompted me to load the page in Firefox Nov 11 21:21
schestowitz | just to see if there were any compatibility issues using Nov 11 21:21
schestowitz | Internet Explorer. During this conversation, I couldn’t help Nov 11 21:21
schestowitz | but express to Helen how bizarre it is that a Microsoft Nov 11 21:21
schestowitz | adCenter Support representative is asking me to load a Nov 11 21:21
schestowitz | Microsoft related page using Firefox. At this point, just Nov 11 21:21
schestowitz | to fulfill my curiosity, I decided to go along with this Nov 11 21:21
schestowitz | and access the page using Firefox 1.5. After waiting a few Nov 11 21:21
schestowitz | minutes for the browser to load, I accessed the sign up Nov 11 21:21
schestowitz | page and filled out the application and transmitted the Nov 11 21:21
schestowitz | form. Sure enough, IT WORKED! Nov 11 21:21
schestowitz `—- Nov 11 21:21
schestowitz Thank goodness Microsoft is ‘saving’ the Keralans from this Lunix thing… http://boycottnovell.com/2008/… Nov 11 21:23
trmanco LOL Nov 11 21:23
schestowitz oes NASA use Sony batteries? http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008… Nov 11 21:24
schestowitz Does Nov 11 21:24
schestowitz http://web.archive.org/web/20… Nov 11 21:25
schestowitz http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/20… ( Google Not Immune to Economy? ) Nov 11 21:29
schestowitz “It looks like Google isn’t going to simultaneously lose its CEO and gain a powerful friend in Washington.  Eric Schmidt has said in no uncertain terms that he won’t become America’s first CTO.” < http://www.webpronews.com/top… > Nov 11 21:30
schestowitz D’oh, I missed it.  “Friday 7th – Sunday 9th November Manchester” < http://www.ukuug.org/events/li… > Nov 11 21:34
schestowitz This one fun: http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inqui… Here is how it goes: trmanco put the link in IRC, I later mailed it to PJ who put it in Groklaw News Picks, which Egan reads regularly and writes about, so here he is passing it into the Inquirer. It’s a nice chain…. Nov 11 21:47
trmanco :-P Nov 11 21:49
schestowitz OUCH! http://www.linuxinsider.com/story/Terra… Nov 11 21:49
schestowitz “Oh my, they talk about .NET Framework 4.0 and about giving “developers access to Microsoft’s flagship tools solution at a reduced price in the struggling economy!” Gee. Hard times for Mono, should they want to match .NET Framework 4.0.” < http://beranger.org/index.php?page… > Nov 11 21:55
schestowitz “And increasingly irrational things for the humankind as a whole — you design an operating system in C/C++, then you tell the developers that they should ONLY write code in C# or ASP.NET! (Oh, wait, there’s also VB.NET…) That’s a nice one. The masses are coding, the masses are coding…” Yes, free labour. Gates spoke about ti for decades. Nov 11 21:56
schestowitz Mr. Dilbert says: “No one wants the economy to crumble. But having a reason to love your neighbor a litter better doesn’t suck. If we can feed everyone – and I think we can – things will be fine.” http://dilbert.com/blog/entry/the_upsid… Nov 11 21:57
trmanco Booting Debian in 14 seconds is nice too :-P Nov 11 22:00
schestowitz “It’s not coincidence that Microsoft still maintains that GNU/Linux infringes on some 200 of its sacred software patents – and yet is strangely coy about naming them, since it doesn’t want its bluff called.” http://www.computerworlduk.com/com… Nov 11 22:01
trmanco Sue who for what? Nov 11 22:03
trmanco :-P Nov 11 22:03
schestowitz Sue the sky to sell Vista 7 Nov 11 22:03
trmanco I don’t think that M$ has any employee with the b**ls to analyze 6 million line of Linux Kernel code Nov 11 22:04
trmanco It might do some serious brain damage… all that well written and non confusing code :-P Nov 11 22:05
MinceR they aren’t used to reading code anyway Nov 11 22:05
schestowitz Corruption in the US, part 100:  http://techdirt.com/articles/… (Bloomberg Sues The Fed For More Transparency Over $2 Trillion In Emergency Loans) Nov 11 22:05
schestowitz MinceR: they wait for the advisories. You know the motto: if you can’t see it (the flaw), it does not exist. Nov 11 22:06
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_doug “Microsoft denies paying contractor to abandon Linux” Nov 11 22:22
_doug http://www.infoworld.com/article/08/1… Nov 11 22:22
schestowitz Seen it. Nov 11 22:22
schestowitz They tried it before. Nov 11 22:22
_doug “Although a joint marketing agreement was drafted to document the best practices for using technology in education, it was never executed .. It became clear, he added, that one customer wanted a Linux OS” Nov 11 22:23
schestowitz http://boycottnovell.com/2008/04/21… Nov 11 22:23
schestowitz Microsoft Denies Threatening to Withdraw Funding < http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/ar… > Nov 11 22:23
_doug Does that mean he wouldn’t accept the bribe .. er fee ? Nov 11 22:23
schestowitz These entire IDG articles are ONLY POSTED as some sort of FORMAL Microsoft denial.  I can it revisionism. Nov 11 22:24
schestowitz _doug: it’s IDG.. Nov 11 22:24
schestowitz IDC.. whatever… Wintel press. Nov 11 22:24
schestowitz I’m actually replying to an E-mail from them right now. I preferred doing the interview via E-mail Nov 11 22:25
_doug It’ll be interesting to read … are they going to pay you ? Nov 11 22:26
_doug “Novell Tuesday took aim at rival and Linux market leader Red Hat” Nov 11 22:27
schestowitz _doug: No, no pay. Nov 11 22:27
schestowitz URL? Nov 11 22:28
schestowitz I need to catch up with it later. Nov 11 22:28
_doug http://www.networkworld.com/news/200… Nov 11 22:29
_doug It’s a win-win for you-know-who .. Nov 11 22:30
_doug purrr .. purrrrr .. purrrrrrrrrrr …. Nov 11 22:31
MinceR Lord Voldemort? Nov 11 22:31
_doug http://angel1hinata.files.wordpres… Nov 11 22:32
MinceR :D Nov 11 22:32
_doug “I dont know how to use my email.” Nov 11 22:33
_doug “You need to upgrade your IQ a few points. Try listening to classical music.” Nov 11 22:33
_doug “The moral of the story is that crime doesn’t pay….. directly, it goes through escrow.” Nov 11 22:33
_doug Dilbert – May 2nd 2006 Nov 11 22:34
_doug go find it yourself .. I’m offf …. Nov 11 22:34
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twitter http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquirer/n…  :’(  ” The OU provides students with technical support, but only if they use Microsoft software. It advises students that if they don’t use a Windows PC they “may have problems accessing the software and data files supplied with course materials”. It has produced a 31-page guide to using Microsoft software and extensive demonstrations. It has produ Nov 11 23:16
twitter Kind of like the Free University’s compiler – it was not free, so RMS wrote GCC. Nov 11 23:17
schestowitz Yes, I saw that. Nov 11 23:17
schestowitz I’m falling behind now cause of that interview.. Nov 11 23:17
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MinceR gn Nov 11 23:24
schestowitz Dana pisses off Sun now (watch image): http://blogs.zdnet.com/open-source/?p=3074 Nov 11 23:40
twitter here’s a write up on Bill Gate’s new patent troll business, http://yro.slashdot.org/article… Nov 11 23:43
schestowitz They are sick. Nov 11 23:44
schestowitz It’s a good summary. Nov 11 23:44
schestowitz twitter: do you want to proofread the interview text? Nov 11 23:47
schestowitz [just a quick read... spotting typos along the way] Nov 11 23:48
twitter sure, shoot it over.  when do you need it done? Nov 11 23:48
schestowitz Quickly, but let me just do another pass through it. Nov 11 23:48
schestowitz I do it quite quickly because he’ll quote selectively. Nov 11 23:48
schestowitz He’ll weave that in with Novell and Microsoft executives. Nov 11 23:48
twitter how soon do you need it back? Nov 11 23:49
schestowitz A quick read would do. I’ll pass it to you in 5 minutes…? Nov 11 23:51
twitter I’ll look for it. Nov 11 23:52
schestowitz Thanks Nov 11 23:52
schestowitz OK, sent (I didn’t proofread) Nov 11 23:57
twitter got it Nov 11 23:57
schestowitz It has typos. Nov 11 23:59
schestowitz And needs improving, but I worry that spending too much time of it will be a distraction. Nov 11 23:59
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  24. EPO's Web Site Constantly Spammed by Lies About Privacy While EPO Breaks the Law and Outsources Data to the United States

    The António Campinos-led EPO works for imperialism, it not only protects the rich; sadly, António’s father isn’t alive anymore and surely he would blast his son for doing what he does to progress his career while lying to staff and European citizens



  25. Links 16/1/2022: Tsunami and Patents

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  26. IRC Proceedings: Saturday, January 15, 2022

    IRC logs for Saturday, January 15, 2022



  27. Links 16/1/2022: Year of the GNU/Linux Desktop and Catch-up With Patent Misinformation

    Links for the day



  28. Patrick Breyer, Unlike Most German Politicians, Highlights the Fact That Unified Patent Court (UPC) and Unitary Patent Are Incompatible With EU Law

    A longtime critic of EPO abuses (under both Benoît Battistelli and António Campinos leadership), as well as a vocal critic of software patents, steps in to point out the very obvious



  29. Links 15/1/2022: Flameshot 11.0 and Libvirt 8.0

    Links for the day



  30. Blogging and Microblogging in Geminispace With Gemini Protocol

    Writing one’s thoughts and other things in Geminispace — even without setting up a Gemini server — is totally possible; gateways and services do exist for this purpose


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