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IRC: #boycottnovell @ FreeNode: November 14th, 2008

Posted in IRC Logs at 5:18 am by Dr. Roy Schestowitz


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schestowitz Check out the history of that ‘pretty boy’ who ran the SEC. Seemed like narcissist that never did his job _at all_ Nov 14 00:00
twitter That nebulous clause is about as good as it gets.  That’s how these jokers made house loans at greater than 20% interest. Nov 14 00:00
schestowitz I read a WSJ article about him in Sept 29th. Nov 14 00:00
schestowitz http://boycottnovell.com/2007/12… Nov 14 00:01
schestowitz Let me find the video I have in mind. Nov 14 00:01
schestowitz Here. http://boycottnovell.com/2007/12… That’s the one. Nov 14 00:01
schestowitz Thanks for the headsup re: msft -> http://boycottnovell.com/2008/… Nov 14 00:02
twitter bbl Nov 14 00:05
schestowitz http://news.cnet.com/8301-13505_3-10096555-16.htm… “Valleywag? Increasing snide, decreasing substance. Owen Thomas did much better work while he was at Business 2.0. I like his writing. I just think he had to pander to the wrong elements at Valleywag. “ Nov 14 00:11
schestowitz http://news.cnet.com/8301-13846_3-… “But all is not well says the Times Online. The down economy and failing banks are dragging down the image of the area, despite a $4 billion developer investment.” Nov 14 00:12
twitter Awwww, poor little bankers don’t have their little meat market “romance” anymore.  I cry for their randy left hands. Nov 14 00:31
schestowitz ./.  : “How long can it be before Microsoft responds with a Windows 7 port?” — TOTALLY off topic and nonsensical, IMHO < http://linux.slashdot.org/article.pl?s… > Nov 14 00:34
twitter Well, M$ will make promises right away, I’m sure.  Let’s see if nerdyH is just another nym. Nov 14 00:36
schestowitz I noticed the name. Nov 14 00:37
schestowitz Oh wait. Nov 14 00:37
schestowitz That would be Henry King*? Nov 14 00:37
schestowitz Yeah, that’s him. Nov 14 00:38
twitter Nope, he’s got a string of interesting submissions.  If he’s a nym, it’s a clean account.  Comments look real, can’t tell. Nov 14 00:38
twitter Who is Henry King? Nov 14 00:39
schestowitz He writes LinuxDevices, one of my favourite sites. We correspond sometimes. Nov 14 00:39
schestowitz Kingley.. or something like that. Nov 14 00:39
twitter Now why would he be worried about Vista 7? Nov 14 00:41
schestowitz Meet the New Windows, Same as the Old Windows : http://www.daniweb.com/blog… Nov 14 00:43
twitter ” For all its problems, and Microsoft is facing many on a number of fronts these days, it still remains a formidable company with huge cash reserves.” if only he knew. Nov 14 00:45
schestowitz He fell for ” their own playground surrounded by big screens and fancy presentations” as he called it Nov 14 00:46
schestowitz And the Gartners and IDCs and Goldman Yucks of the worls… Nov 14 00:46
twitter It’s more damage control, ” Kennedy’s experiment is just one look at Windows 7, although one that appears to be quite comprehensive and fair, but we are very early in the game. It’s possible that Microsoft will improve it along the way” Nov 14 00:47
schestowitz Anal-ysts ranked MSFT AAA when it was in the upper 20s Nov 14 00:47
schestowitz Microsoft shot back at him. Nov 14 00:48
schestowitz As usual, Microsoft spoke through its mouthpiece attacking rthe researcher. Nov 14 00:48
schestowitz .They issue formal ‘statements’, which the mouthpieces (e.g. Ina Shiells) posted as an ‘article’. Nov 14 00:49
schestowitz And then you can hear the Microsoft statements repeated across the Web. Got to love it!!! Nov 14 00:49
schestowitz He should benchmark Vista and publish with a paperbag on his head (for anonymity). This way he would be safer from those Scientocrosoft people. Nov 14 00:50
twitter They come to get you anyway. Nov 14 00:51
schestowitz Classic hacker”Cracker confusion: http://www.theregister.co.uk/200… Nov 14 00:51
schestowitz twitter: yes, or they send a Sys-con journo to your house to pick some ‘dirt’ Nov 14 00:52
schestowitz In USENET, anonymous advocates got exposed through their ISPs and then abused with their names, addresses and personal life leaked to the Web  by the Munchkins, who post this from zombies/proxies. Nov 14 00:53
twitter and harass supposed family members like they did P.J. Nov 14 00:53
schestowitz Sometimes it’s hard to find dirt. Nov 14 00:53
schestowitz The trolls dug up messages of mine from many years ago. I posted almost 100,000 Nov 14 00:53
twitter If they can’t find dirt, they make it up.  Say you are crazy, that kind of thing.  You don’t believe in the great Hacker Bill Gates Money Machine, you must be crazy. Nov 14 00:54
twitter burn heretic, burn! Nov 14 00:55
twitter it’s a strange world.  hatred makes it sad. Nov 14 00:55
*schestowitz wonders what will happen to space exploration and academic research now that everything is repressed Nov 14 00:55
schestowitz Say MSFT is not rich, be called for treason (truth is treason in an empire of lies). Nov 14 00:56
schestowitz Attack the gates Fundation [sic], get libel, gang of hyena will soon surround you, modding you down, modding each other up, then brushing up the Wikipedia pages. Nov 14 00:57
schestowitz There’s this guy called yuhoung who sometimes comes here (and to Roughly Drafed) Nov 14 00:57
twitter Their power is frightening. Nov 14 00:57
schestowitz He had it revealed recently that he is from Seattle. I reckon he’s a shill. Nov 14 00:58
schestowitz http://boycottnovell.com/2008/11… Nov 14 00:58
schestowitz They do revisionism… in Apple sites too… Daniel Eran Dilger Nov 14 00:58
schestowitz And they seem to be on Visa right next door to Microsoft… so I really don’t know. See the log… watch how he ran away. Nov 14 00:59
twitter It’s hard to tell.  He ran around in circles and did not have much to offer. Nov 14 01:03
twitter annoying but not quite insulting. Nov 14 01:03
twitter real people ask the same questions because M$ bathes all of our brains in $1 billion / month in advertising. Nov 14 01:04
twitter there’s no mistaking the real trolls and wiki cleaning. Nov 14 01:05
schestowitz The person’s history is bothersome Nov 14 01:05
schestowitz [H]omer wanted to kick him before. Nov 14 01:05
twitter oh Nov 14 01:06
schestowitz We didn’t know at the time that he’s in Seattle. Nov 14 01:07
schestowitz He’s originally from the far east. Nov 14 01:07
twitter bbl, here’s something interesting http://www.sutor.com/newsite/blog-… Nov 14 01:15
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anivar schestowitz:  any comments on Opensuse community elected board? Nov 14 04:34
anivar http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20081104-op… Nov 14 04:34
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anivar schestowitz:  http://www.freedomwalk.in/content/115… Nov 14 07:52
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schestowitz Royal Bank of Scotland lays off 3000 Nov 14 08:02
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Omar87 Guys, I believe that Preston Gralla is another journalist bribed by Microsoft: http://blogs.computerworld.com/… Nov 14 08:11
Omar87 Does anyone agree with me? Nov 14 08:11
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schestowitz Omar87: suspected this, but yesterday I showed he got no laptop. Nov 14 08:32
schestowitz But… he is generally regarded by some as Microsoft shill in general. He attacked Linux a lot recently. He does Apple too. Nov 14 08:32
schestowitz [attack them, IIRC] Nov 14 08:33
MinceR geekings Nov 14 09:03
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schestowitz Instead Of Bailing Out Broken Banks, Why Not Build New Banks? < http://techdirt.com/articles/20081… > Nov 14 10:17
schestowitz Black Duck is a proprietary software company. It’s surprising that it gets so much coverage in OSS blogs. Nov 14 10:33
schestowitz Typical Microsoft people… steal other people’s free work (Palamida’s database), then make money out of that… they now claim to have had a jump in profits (from selling mixed messages on Free software), but how much business did they have last year? Where are the absolute numbers? And why did the founder and CEO abandon months ago? Nov 14 11:07
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schestowitz Microsoft sacks in the US and now invests in China: http://www.reuters.com/article/technol… Nov 14 15:28
schestowitz Microsoft: Though shalt not hack (you only ‘hire’ your XBox): http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquire… Nov 14 15:30
schestowitz MinceR would love this one about Jesusphone: Report: Apple struggling with iPhone in India < http://news.cnet.com/8301-13579_3-10096… > Nov 14 15:31
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schestowitz Woohoo! More MSDrugs:  http://www.pcworld.com/article/1… Nov 14 16:01
schestowitz “Free to get addicted” Nov 14 16:01
schestowitz Whao. Microsoft China has been headless for ages on the fact of it… only now they got someone to fill the position: http://www.pcworld.com/article/153867… Nov 14 16:07
schestowitz Wall Street Beat: Bad News Gets Worse for IT < http://www.pcworld.com/article/153859/.ht… > Nov 14 16:08
schestowitz Concurrent Elects Krish Panu to Board of Directors < http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/Con… > More shuffled at Concurrent? They have financial issues. Nov 14 16:15
_doug Microsoft developer: never search, view, or speculate about patents .. Nov 14 16:27
_doug http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/11/13/m… Nov 14 16:27
schestowitz Yup Nov 14 16:28
schestowitz Mentioned 3 times in BN, even this morning: http://boycottnovell.com/2008/11/1… Nov 14 16:28
MinceR lol, jesusphone Nov 14 16:29
_doug He almost sounds like an Open Sourcer :) Nov 14 16:31
_doug “If people had understood how patents would be granted when most of today’s ideas were invented, and had taken out patents, the industry would be at a complete standstill today.” Nov 14 16:35
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schestowitz DoS and distributed hacking tools finally criminalised < http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/11/… >. So Windows is illegal now? It’s used as zombie nodes. Nov 14 16:38
_doug “The difficulty in the Act is that it says ‘any item’ and people are worried that that might include information about a piece of software’s security vulnerability,” Nov 14 16:44
_doug Yea, if you make it illegal for people finding out about security vulnerabilities, that will protect us from the crooks .. Nov 14 16:45
_doug As is well known, crooks obay the laws of the land .. :) Nov 14 16:46
schestowitz 37% of Americans still believe Iraq had WMDs < http://uruknet.de/?p=m48686&… > Nov 14 16:46
_doug How about making it illegal to sell such systewms that can be co-opted in DDOS attacks .. ? Nov 14 16:47
_doug http://www.microsoft.com/protect/computer… Nov 14 16:47
schestowitz They hit the moles and ban the ‘soil’ rather than fumigate. Nov 14 16:47
schestowitz Should be http://www.microsoft.com/computer/zombies/can’t/p… Nov 14 16:48
_doug “Never open an attachment in an e-mail, instant , or mobile message unless you know exactly what the attachment is” Nov 14 16:48
_doug How do I know what’s in it, without opening it ? Nov 14 16:48
schestowitz Check that it didn’t arrive from an MS botnet Nov 14 16:49
_doug “Unlicensed software can be more susceptible to viruses” Nov 14 16:49
schestowitz Good luck with that… Nov 14 16:49
schestowitz Haha. Nov 14 16:49
MinceR i didn’t know viruses were so up-to-date in legal issues Nov 14 16:49
_doug Like how, what magic-sauce does the licensed product contain ? Nov 14 16:49
schestowitz I remember that. They also said that ‘ungenuine’ Windows is less secure. Nov 14 16:49
MinceR the only way genuine copies can be more secure is by being received via trusted media Nov 14 16:50
schestowitz it’s like trying to stop car theft and police chases by imposing speed limits Nov 14 16:50
MinceR but physical access to such media has little to do with being legally licensed… Nov 14 16:50
_doug “RSA reports that it has discovered a data cache containing log-in information for 300,000 bank accounts and 250,000 credit and debit card accounts” Nov 14 16:51
_doug http://www.efluxmedia.com/news_Sinowal_T… Nov 14 16:51
schestowitz [corp-focus] Not Yet at the Promised Land < http://lists.essential.org/pip… > Nov 14 16:51
schestowitz MinceR: should I find that article? Nov 14 16:51
schestowitz It was ComputerWorld, Gregg Keizer, IIRC. Nov 14 16:51
MinceR not really Nov 14 16:51
schestowitz _doug: not old news? Like 3 weeks ago? Nov 14 16:52
schestowitz Now that I shop online I have to jump through more ‘hoops’… I blame Windows botnets. Nov 14 16:52
schestowitz http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/sto… “The Wall Street bailout looks a lot like Iraq — a “free-fraud zone” where private contractors cash in on the mess they helped create” Nov 14 16:55
schestowitz RMS links to an article about REAL pirates: British commandos kill two pirates in stand-off < http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2… >. And Hollywood compares its clients to these people. Nov 14 16:56
neighborlee schestowitz, http://www.mail-archive.com/foundati… < I persume you knew about this but just in case..I know its old so you prob. do but anyway there it is… Nov 14 17:03
schestowitz PetoKraus curses here:  More miscellanea [..] “Jonathan Schwartz has made some waves with his post The Inside Story (Java, Microsoft and MySQL). My problem is however not what most people think of.” < http://beranger.org/index.php?page=… > No mention of Silverfish and MS toolbars?? Nov 14 17:05
PetoKraus :P Nov 14 17:05
PetoKraus it’s really aggravating, aint it? Nov 14 17:05
schestowitz neighborlee: oh, that’s an old one. I actually wrote back to RMS this morning. He’s becoming more familiar with the Novell problem. Nov 14 17:06
neighborlee http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=… < oddly enough, just months prior to that he says its good to have  ‘free’ versions of .net, but he sure seemed worried about it in the 11/07 comment where by gnome might be held in a ‘vice’ ;) Nov 14 17:06
schestowitz Sun to Microsoft is like Novell to Microsoft… sometimes… “Microsoft, save us! Use us! Rape us!!” Then they sign patent deals. Nov 14 17:06
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neighborlee schestowitz, well thats good..good to know he’s becoming more involved in the dangers ,,about time ;) Nov 14 17:07
schestowitz Hey, Omar87 Nov 14 17:07
Omar87 Hi, schestowitz. :) Nov 14 17:07
schestowitz neighborlee: I asked him to use the FSF/GNU campaign to inform people about Novell. Nov 14 17:07
PetoKraus for goodness sake, it’s milliard in french, die Milliarde in german, milia’rd in hungarian, miliardo in italian, and used to be milliard in UK english Nov 14 17:07
neighborlee schestowitz, good Nov 14 17:07
PetoKraus it’s billion ONLY in the STATES Nov 14 17:07
PetoKraus (obviously, it’s “miliarda” in slovak as well) Nov 14 17:07
schestowitz Good video Nov 14 17:08
schestowitz So he’s in favour of RUNNING the existing programs, not USING it to develop Nov 14 17:09
schestowitz Novell makes MonoDevelop Nov 14 17:09
schestowitz PetoKraus: The Unites States redefines language. That’s normal. Nov 14 17:09
schestowitz Football no longer means soccer, either. Nov 14 17:09
PetoKraus well it does Nov 14 17:10
MinceR football means football. ;) Nov 14 17:10
PetoKraus maybe not in barbarian countries Nov 14 17:10
PetoKraus but in civilised europe…. Nov 14 17:10
PetoKraus i mean, if they only raped english, i wouldn’t mind Nov 14 17:10
PetoKraus but it actually spreads to other languages as well! Nov 14 17:10
PetoKraus the same for the beautiful english word “fanny” Nov 14 17:11
Omar87 schestowitz: I’m thinking that Preston Gralla, from ComputerWorld, is doubtlessly another journalist bribed by Microsoft, do you agree with me? Nov 14 17:11
neighborlee schestowitz,I stil think the main trump card against mono is that to be free from patent suit, it must be downloaded from novel, which equates to breaking with the gpl as I understand it.. Nov 14 17:12
schestowitz Possible, but… Nov 14 17:12
schestowitz I think he wrote many books like Bottt Nov 14 17:12
schestowitz He could be just ‘part of the culture’ Nov 14 17:12
Omar87 Maybe. Nov 14 17:12
schestowitz he attacked Linux a lot recently (esp. on Netbook) along with the usual pack Nov 14 17:12
schestowitz neighborlee: I have a post about it coming. Nov 14 17:13
neighborlee schestowitz, yup..not for usersing ‘using it’ , but for running exiswting programs sure lol,,but yeah in 11/07 he says its best that we dont write in mono ( fspot, etc.), but that we  rewrite the  ‘cool ones’ in something else to avoid the M$ ‘vice’ ..:)) Nov 14 17:13
neighborlee schestowitz, cool Nov 14 17:13
schestowitz Microsoft sort of makes Office available for Linux… only with Mono (Moonlight) and OOXML Nov 14 17:13
Omar87 But, ya know, when it comes to Microsoft, everything is possible. :) Nov 14 17:13
schestowitz It’s a trap for Red hat. Nov 14 17:13
neighborlee schestowitz, heh, its laughable ;) Nov 14 17:13
schestowitz See http://news.cnet.com/8301-13505_3-… . Ignore the BS from Asay, watch the comment from Michael. Nov 14 17:14
neighborlee office with ooXML, that which was used to break compat with linux…man they must really think we are all very dumb ;) Nov 14 17:14
schestowitz Matt is just sucking up again.. he doesn’t understand this stuff. Nov 14 17:14
schestowitz The problem is that Novell uses Mono not just to bring over applications to assist migrations… Nov 14 17:14
schestowitz They actually DEVELOP in it. That is something that RMS would not endorse. Nov 14 17:15
Omar87 schestowitz: Yeah, oh well, how much did he foolishly praise Windows 7 as well. :) Nov 14 17:15
schestowitz Yes, I saw that too. Nov 14 17:15
schestowitz There’s a whole army of ‘cultists’ out there whose monopolist they love and protect.. Nov 14 17:16
Omar87 schestowitz: Which is why I think he’s bribed or at least, praised and influenced directly by Microsoft. Nov 14 17:16
schestowitz I just try to label them. http://boycottnovell.com/credibility-index/ Nov 14 17:16
schestowitz By the way, it’s Vista 7, not Windows 7. ;-) Nov 14 17:16
Omar87 schestowitz: Oh, yeah, that’s right. :D Nov 14 17:17
schestowitz Microsoft ecosystem=money club. Keep it where it’s warm. Nov 14 17:17
Omar87 schestowitz: I’ve seen a small video about it (I bet you did as well), and really, the only thing I saw was yet another Vista before me, with some minor stupid tweaks here and there.. -_- Nov 14 17:18
schestowitz UI changes are easy. It’s most visible. Nov 14 17:19
Omar87 schestowitz: I just wonder, how, in the world, would this thing be even loadable on a netbook.. ?_?’ Nov 14 17:19
schestowitz They hardly had a build for a successor a while ago. Nov 14 17:19
schestowitz It’s SP1 of Vista with some widgets and stuff. They bribed a lot of people to hide the truth and gave them special-purpose machines, coordinated alongside demos that are like adverts. Nov 14 17:20
schestowitz It WAS THE SAME IN 2006 with VISTA (also bribed bloggers0 Nov 14 17:20
schestowitz It took people like 6 months to make the BS (marketing) be covered by truth. Nov 14 17:21
schestowitz It’s all about /perception/ Nov 14 17:21
schestowitz Omar87: it’s loadable because they disable a lot of code/services/etc Nov 14 17:21
schestowitz I read somewhere that they will make a SPECIAL version for Netbooks… so it’s not Vista 7, but they’ll call it that for marketing purposes.. Nov 14 17:22
schestowitz Vista 7 + Netbook = publicity stunt. Nov 14 17:22
Omar87 schestowitz: Yeah, but the privacy-raping applications and tools will absolutely still be there, right? Nov 14 17:23
schestowitz I don’t know. Nov 14 17:24
schestowitz I also thought about DRM. Nov 14 17:24
schestowitz Commenting out code before ‘monsterbuilding’ is east. Nov 14 17:24
schestowitz All they need to do is show the Netbook with the same widgets moving about. Nov 14 17:24
schestowitz Take some videos/photographs, stir up the Microsoft-friendly reporters to write about it.. Nov 14 17:25
Omar87 schestowitz: I also heard, they make it as cheap as possible.. :) Nov 14 17:25
_doug Charles Arthur: The stock market reckons Dell has eight years to live .. Nov 14 17:26
_doug http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2… Nov 14 17:26
schestowitz *LOL* Windows 7’s biggest threat: journalists < http://notnews.today.com/2008/11/12/wi… > Nov 14 17:26
schestowitz “We understand that many journalists use Macs,” said CNet marketing marketer Don Reisinger. “This means they necessarily suckle at the Satanic rear passage of Steve Jobs. We cannot countenance their bias. Journalists are responsible for all those signs outside computer shops offering to replace Vista with XP. When was the last time you saw the entire technology field stop and wait for an announcement from any other company be Nov 14 17:26
schestowitz sides Apple? It’s so unfair!” Nov 14 17:26
schestowitz _doug: either is optimistic. Nov 14 17:26
_doug They should have diversified, into portable devices and online services … Nov 14 17:27
Omar87 schestowitz: Do you think they can really make an completely virus-proof OS within this year? Wouldn’t that be more like building Windows from scratch? Nov 14 17:28
_doug notnewstoday :) Nov 14 17:28
schestowitz Omar87: virus-proof? No, that’s impossible. Nov 14 17:29
schestowitz That said, someone from Utah claims that Novell builds a Linux-based Seven, which is too bizarre to believe. Nov 14 17:29
_doug Charles Arthur: “I wonder if his company is running, a bit Wile E. Coyote-style, off the edge of a cliff.” Nov 14 17:29
schestowitz It’s not just Dell. Nov 14 17:30
schestowitz Many hardeare manufacturers that merely assemble parts are in for a rough ride and downsizing. Nov 14 17:30
_doug Dell is in an ideal place, it’s own hardware manufacturing and OEM distribution channels. Nov 14 17:30
schestowitz Dell already does a funny one-week break for all people…. UNPAID. Nov 14 17:30
PetoKraus nice article about bloat: http://hubpages.com/hub/_86_Mac_Plus_… Nov 14 17:31
Omar87 schestowitz: I read an article a couple of weeks ago that Novells main goal is to work with Microsoft in order to break the GPL.. ?? Nov 14 17:31
schestowitz Peter Mandelson: “The audacity of post” .. “Suggestions that the Post Office™ get into the business of physical delivery of letters and parcels were greeted with a perplexed snort of laughter.” <http://notnews.today.com/2008/11/11/peter… > Nov 14 17:31
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_doug Do a deal with the telecom and media companies, start selling its own MediaPlayer, get revenue from online subscriptions .. Nov 14 17:31
schestowitz Omar87: which article would that be? Nov 14 17:32
schestowitz They already did that (break the GPL, by spirit) Nov 14 17:32
Omar87 schestowitz: I’m not sure.. Nov 14 17:32
_doug That’s what I would do if I was CEO of DELL .. what are they paying his salary for ? Nov 14 17:32
schestowitz Novell doesn’t care about freedom; those who it ‘bought’ in Germany might. Nov 14 17:32
Omar87 schestowitz: They did break the GPL? Nov 14 17:32
MinceR PetoKraus: bah, another crApple fanboy straining to somehow advertise shoddy crApple products. Nov 14 17:33
schestowitz Omar87: GPLv2. They exploited a loophole. Nov 14 17:33
PetoKraus MinceR: you should just read TFA Nov 14 17:33
Omar87 schestowitz: So, SUSE isn’t really opensource? Nov 14 17:33
schestowitz In simple terms, the GPL in its older form (version 2) permitted companies to have it obeyed while adding patent provisions/restrictions that apply to the software (licensed under GPLv2). Nov 14 17:33
MinceR PetoKraus: i’ve looked at it Nov 14 17:33
schestowitz My understanding is that Novell discussed the deal with quite a few people /well/ before it was announced in order to confirm this and conform with the licence. While the SFLC/FSF could not prevent the deal, it was able to explain the consequences in advance. Nov 14 17:33
MinceR PetoKraus: though tl;dr Nov 14 17:33
MinceR PetoKraus: i know what it’s about anyway Nov 14 17:33
PetoKraus that’s the point Nov 14 17:33
schestowitz SUSE is GPL compliant. Nov 14 17:33
PetoKraus it’s about how much software got bloated Nov 14 17:33
schestowitz The GPLv3 ‘pardoned’ Novell by ‘grandfathering’, which is incorporated into the new licence. Other companies like Xandros were not as lucky because they were not excused. GPLv3 is a deterrent to companies that ponder repeating Novell’s deeds. Nov 14 17:34
_doug Dell business plan 1980: sell WinTell PCs .. Nov 14 17:34
MinceR PetoKraus: while ignoring how much more functional it became. Nov 14 17:34
schestowitz _doug: Dell is also corrupt Nov 14 17:34
_doug Dell business plan 2008: sell WinTell PCs .. Nov 14 17:34
schestowitz It did a bribery thing with Intel. Nov 14 17:34
_doug :) Nov 14 17:34
schestowitz Kickbacks. Nov 14 17:34
schestowitz Caught by investors who sued (or were going to) Nov 14 17:34
PetoKraus MinceR: yes. though it takes joe the plumber as a common user Nov 14 17:34
PetoKraus it’s a straw man, i agree Nov 14 17:34
schestowitz Maybe they can sue now that the stock sink due to that chamber or deep corruption opening up. Nov 14 17:35
MinceR once again i’d be forced to ask what joe the plumber is doing with a computer Nov 14 17:35
schestowitz MinceR: he plays the pipes Nov 14 17:35
MinceR the tubes? Nov 14 17:35
PetoKraus well, i’d rather ask, whether the stuff Joe needs to do can be done on the mac pro Nov 14 17:35
schestowitz .http://pipe-mania.freeonlinegames.com/ Nov 14 17:35
PetoKraus *plus Nov 14 17:35
Omar87 schestowitz: Hmm, so Novell was excused because it managed to commit its crime before GPLv3? Nov 14 17:36
schestowitz Yes Nov 14 17:36
schestowitz And Stallman was nice to them Nov 14 17:36
schestowitz They always accuse the FSF of being intolerant, but there you go Nov 14 17:36
Omar87 schestowitz: Hmm, why did he not sue them? Nov 14 17:36
MinceR well, crApple “computers” are usually bought as room ornaments for gay people Nov 14 17:36
PetoKraus well nice… is there anything he could do? Nov 14 17:36
schestowitz They also played nice with Creative Commons recently. Some people praises and some criticised it. Nov 14 17:37
Omar87 oh ok Nov 14 17:37
schestowitz The FSF is willing to make reasonable compromises at times. Nov 14 17:37
schestowitz Omar87: the FSF suing Novell? Nov 14 17:37
schestowitz They didn’t break the contract. Nov 14 17:37
schestowitz Nintendo is up sharply in the US this month. Almost 1 million units!! Nov 14 17:38
Omar87 schestowitz: Mr Joi Ito told us something about the CC’s attempt to get Wikipedia under the Creative Commons License. And that RMS said no to them, why is that? Nov 14 17:39
schestowitz Microsoft stock at 10-year low < http://blog.seattlepi.nwsource.com/micr… >\ Nov 14 17:39
schestowitz Omar87: I’m not too sure about copyright/left laws, but maybe it’s resolved now. Nov 14 17:39
Omar87 schestowitz: mhmm. Nov 14 17:40
schestowitz http://joi.ito.com/weblog/2008/11/… Nov 14 17:40
schestowitz I remember that post cause I linked to it at the time. Nov 14 17:40
schestowitz Lessig wrote about it too. Nov 14 17:40
Omar87 schestowitz:  Oh, that’s cool! Nov 14 17:41
_doug regarding the credit-crunch: help bail out a Mega firm .. :) Nov 14 17:41
_doug http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/cbabb3add… Nov 14 17:41
schestowitz Earlier I watch some videos from a CC guy Nov 14 17:41
schestowitz He explained very well why IBM and Intel invest in free software Nov 14 17:41
schestowitz Stating the obvious that it’s about reducing cost of s/w so that they can sell more h/w Nov 14 17:42
schestowitz It’s like free beer for selling food at a tavern Nov 14 17:42
schestowitz http://www.phoronix.com/scan.p… (Intel Releases Two New Open-Source Drivers) Nov 14 17:42
_doug No, that’s free sex and expensive beer :) Nov 14 17:42
schestowitz Tell Intel to shove it and sink (which they already are accroding to their latest disclosures) Nov 14 17:43
schestowitz They attacked OLPC ( a charity) because it wasn’t good for their precious margins (price-fixing/ripoff) Nov 14 17:43
schestowitz I can’t help but suspect that they raise the price of Atom now that they ruined some competition… cheapest netbooks go for $300. Nov 14 17:44
Omar87 schestowitz: By the way, what’s SCO? And why are they welling to sue Linux? Nov 14 17:48
_doug billg: We were one of the first global companies to recognise China and Asias’ R & D potential. When I visited China in 1997 .. Nov 14 17:49
_doug http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/… Nov 14 17:49
schestowitz http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SCO-L… Nov 14 17:50
schestowitz BillG invented water Nov 14 17:51
_doug Yet more Guardian gems: “few people who have spent time hanging out with successful Valley entrepreneurs would doubt the importance of Asperger’s Syndrome. In fact, so close is the relationship between Asperger’s and web 2.0 that they should probably just rename it Asbrgr” Nov 14 17:51
_doug http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/… Nov 14 17:51
schestowitz He’s generous though. You need not pat. Nov 14 17:52
schestowitz *pay Nov 14 17:52
schestowitz *Groan* yard *snort* Nov 14 17:53
schestowitz “billg: We were one of the first global companies to recognise China and Asias’ R & D potential. When I visited China in 1997 …” Did he rock back an forth when he said that? Nov 14 17:54
MinceR wouldn’t that be “asprgr BETA”? Nov 14 17:57
schestowitz “Windows 7 comes ,,,  support for the Open Document format in Word Pad.” < http://www.efluxmedia.com/news_Windows… Nov 14 17:57
MinceR (hm, intended to color the last “r” there, but now i see we’re +c) Nov 14 17:57
schestowitz Will it be opened PROPERLY? Nov 14 17:58
schestowitz will line breaks wor^Hk? Nov 14 17:58
MinceR wok? Nov 14 17:58
_doug July 2004: “Developed by China’s Red Flag Software and Japan’s Miracle Linux at Oracle’s research centre in Beijing, the flagship version of the server operating environment, Asianux 1.0, was commercially launched last month” Nov 14 17:59
_doug http://news.zdnet.co.uk/software/0,100… Nov 14 17:59
schestowitz MinceR: Wor^H^H^H^HK~1. Nov 14 18:00
MinceR :) Nov 14 18:00
schestowitz They need to either ‘extend’ ODF or make it look bad (repel users) Nov 14 18:00
schestowitz _doug: Gates went all the way up to the top to corrupt officials against independence. Nov 14 18:01
schestowitz “Let’s do this together. We’ll control ‘the little people’ with Windows and your help. We can censor Live too.” Nov 14 18:01
schestowitz On Microsoft’s intimate affairs in China: http://boycottnovell.com/2007/12/31/m… Nov 14 18:02
_doug MS R & D: “as long as they’re going to steal it, we want them to steal ours. They’ll get sort of addicted, and then we’ll somehow figure out how to collect sometime in the next decade” Nov 14 18:04
twitter Shill study goes after ODF http://www.businesswire.com/portal/site… Nov 14 18:04
schestowitz Gosh, I hate going through BN spam and deleting it Nov 14 18:04
schestowitz I’ve just comes across all sorts of gross spam comments. Nov 14 18:04
twitter sorry to hear that. Nov 14 18:04
schestowitz Like “anal masturbation” and “Girl shitting.” Nov 14 18:05
twitter here’s evidence that Google Docs and OO are gaining traction where it counts.  http://slashdot.org/firehos… Nov 14 18:05
schestowitz This one… for example: “Shitting girls. Shitting sex. Girls pissing and shitting. Shitting. Amsterdam girls shitting tons of shitting pictures. Girls shitting….” Nov 14 18:05
twitter classy Nov 14 18:05
schestowitz Look what Windows botnets do to the Web. Nov 14 18:05
schestowitz That’s like 150 like this since the morning. Nov 14 18:05
twitter wow Nov 14 18:05
schestowitz “Founded in 2003, ClickStream Technologies provides technology usage metrics to the world’s largest software and hardware developers. Our data-collection tools and standing panel of U.S. internet users create a rich, dynamic feedback loop between the people who develop technologies and the people who use them.” Nov 14 18:06
schestowitz Never heard of them. Nov 14 18:06
schestowitz Server in Singapore. Nov 14 18:06
schestowitz *gasp* Nov 14 18:06
schestowitz At least their server runs a form of *NIX, with Flash Nov 14 18:07
schestowitz Where’s the money made from such a ‘study’? Nov 14 18:07
twitter Yeah, but you can throw out the results of the study, ”  U.S.        internet users over the age of 18 to complete a survey and install        ClickSight®, a patent-pending data collection        tool which records click-level user behavior data across all browsers and applications” Nov 14 18:08
schestowitz Always find motive. Who would beneift? Microsoft cited the Burton Group’s (MS shill) anti-Google study over a year ago. Nov 14 18:08
twitter In other words, 50% of people dumb enough to install spyware use Word a lot too. Nov 14 18:08
schestowitz 1) pay some money; 2) wait a while; 3) link to ‘new’ ‘study; 4) get return on investment Nov 14 18:08
schestowitz Or… Nov 14 18:08
schestowitz 1) wink at $company; 2) $company generates anti-Google study; 3) Microsoft links to study; 4) Microsoft hires $company people for consulting… VERY high wages… like a payback. Nov 14 18:09
schestowitz Deleting blog spam is like going through lots of shit… LITERALLY. Nov 14 18:10
schestowitz I blame people who google for “sh*t”. The spammer are aiming at that fetish with this type of spam. Nov 14 18:11
schestowitz Intel Suing More Companies For Trademark Infringement < http://techdirt.com/articles/… > Nov 14 18:14
Omar87 schestowitz: I’ve created a fan page for Mr. Lawrence Lessig at Facebook, since there no fan pages for at all there, lol. :) Nov 14 18:15
schestowitz Does he use Facebook at all? Nov 14 18:16
Omar87 schestowitz: I’m wondering wha’t the best way to bring people to it. Nov 14 18:16
Omar87 schestowitz: I think he does. But I’m not sure. Nov 14 18:16
schestowitz Better to promote his talks to people who don’t know Creative Commons. Nov 14 18:17
schestowitz All else if preaching to the ‘converted; Nov 14 18:17
twitter I’m not sure it’s a good idea to be a part of Facebook.  M$ owns 15% of it. Nov 14 18:17
Omar87 schestowitz: However, it’s just a fan page, ya know, where his fan and supporters show their pride, and new people get to know him. Nov 14 18:17
schestowitz Yes, I was going to mention Microsoft dipping its toes in it. Nov 14 18:18
neighborlee oh great..isn’t that just peachy  o_0 Nov 14 18:18
schestowitz I stay away from FB as much as I can, but it’s viral due to peer pressure. Nov 14 18:18
Omar87 schestowitz: Oh yeah, that’s right.. damn! Nov 14 18:18
neighborlee thx, glad to know that..that really bites Nov 14 18:18
schestowitz I’m going to link to these videos in BN soon: Nov 14 18:18
schestowitz Victor Stone talks about music, Free Software, Creative Commons and life at Microsoft 02 (2004) Nov 14 18:18
schestowitz http://www.archive.org/details/e-dv146_sf… Nov 14 18:18
schestowitz Victor Stone talks about music, Free Software, Creative Commons and life at Microsoft 03 (2004) Nov 14 18:18
schestowitz http://www.archive.org/details/e-dv… Nov 14 18:18
schestowitz Victor Stone talks about music, Free Software, Creative Commons and life at Microsoft 04 (2004) Nov 14 18:18
schestowitz http://www.archive.org/details/e-dv146_s… Nov 14 18:18
schestowitz Victor Stone talks about music, Free Software, Creative Commons and life at Microsoft 05 (2004) Nov 14 18:18
schestowitz http://www.archive.org/details/e-dv146… Nov 14 18:18
schestowitz Victor Stone talks about music, Free Software, Creative Commons and life at Microsoft 06 (2004) Nov 14 18:18
schestowitz http://www.archive.org/details/e-dv147_sf_0… Nov 14 18:18
schestowitz Victor Stone talks about music, Free Software, Creative Commons and life at Microsoft 07 (2004) Nov 14 18:18
schestowitz http://www.archive.org/details/e-dv147_… Nov 14 18:18
neighborlee oops :)) Nov 14 18:18
schestowitz Some people escape the beast and actually do something useful with themselves Nov 14 18:19
neighborlee I mean excellent..great to see ogg in use ;)) Nov 14 18:19
schestowitz This also shows the ugly picture of the corrupt music industry, which is no secret if you listen to what ex-singers say Nov 14 18:19
neighborlee yeah Nov 14 18:19
Omar87 Nine-Inch Nails did the right thing, though, lol. :) Nov 14 18:20
schestowitz Singers escaping the MAFIAA is like people escaping Microsoft to find Free software. Nov 14 18:20
neighborlee nice analogy ;) Nov 14 18:20
schestowitz The analogous situations have plenty to teach about one another. Nov 14 18:20
Omar87 And MAFIAA is RIAA, right? :D Nov 14 18:21
schestowitz Music stars unite to seek control : http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/en… Nov 14 18:21
schestowitz One Man’s Quest to Digitize and Publicize Rare Vinyl : http://blog.wired.com/music/20… Nov 14 18:22
neighborlee I just wish linux had better QA, only way I see of that happening is all users finally agreeing to use one distro and make it the best it can be…but then Ive said this for a very long time and no one yet has listened..they all want to toot their own horns so far and QA suffers,clearly evidenced by even ubntu having very iffy QA on releases Nov 14 18:22
neighborlee thats just my take on it, dont crucify me for loving linux, but hating its current infrastructure ;) Nov 14 18:22
twitter http://78records.cdbpdx.com/ Nov 14 18:23
Omar87 QA? Nov 14 18:23
schestowitz From http://www.computerworlduk.com/comm… Nov 14 18:24
schestowitz “Bill  said on Thursday, 13 November 2008 Pretty harsh comments, sort of the kind one finds on boycottnovell.com. “ Nov 14 18:24
neighborlee Omar87, quality assurance. Nov 14 18:24
schestowitz Is this the ‘real’ PJ? “PJ said on Thursday, 13 November 2008 They are already reduced to hiring people that are interested in one thing. Money. Although RH sees no threat since Novell cannot execute on anything today.” Nov 14 18:24
twitter free software code quality is excellent but if you have an idea to make it better, launch a distro.  :-D Nov 14 18:24
neighborlee drivres, apps, booting, all important operating sytsem components just working out of box on release day… Nov 14 18:25
schestowitz She only comments if she announces it, but I noticed more PJ comments recently. Nov 14 18:25
neighborlee twitter, yeah thats all linux needs,,another distro ;) Nov 14 18:25
schestowitz Omar87: MAFIAA = RIAA/MPAA mafia Nov 14 18:25
neighborlee heh Nov 14 18:25
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twitter Slashdot spam has reached new lows too.  http://yro.slashdot.org/comments….  People seem to ignore it. Nov 14 18:27
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twitter Another lovely example http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?s… Nov 14 18:29
neighborlee ouch,,,nnnnnnnast Nov 14 18:30
neighborlee y Nov 14 18:30
neighborlee poor blender took a temporary hit too on certain aspects…only until I grabbed nvidia’s beta driver did that remedy itself Nov 14 18:31
neighborlee blender as in blender3d I mean. Nov 14 18:32
Omar87 So far, I can see that Ubuntu is the most user-friendly and dependable distro. for daily use. Nov 14 18:34
Omar87 However, you can’t stop limit the people a to this distro. or that distro. because people have tastes and purposes. Nov 14 18:35
schestowitz I use Mandriva on this box. It’s great. Nov 14 18:36
Omar87 For example, hackers might pretty much go with Backtrack, business are most likely to choose Red Hat, gamers might go for Mandriva.. etc. :) Nov 14 18:37
Omar87 Yeah, Mandriva is awesome! ;-) Nov 14 18:37
neighborlee not so much here Nov 14 18:38
schestowitz Wow, even  Alastair is now criticising the Novell situation < http://www.tectonic.co.za/?p=3630 >. I was under the impression that he protected Novell SA. Nov 14 18:38
neighborlee I tried mandriva 2009 as in very latest,,I couldn’t even boot due to X prob lems, on this very up to date hardware wize computer im using here. Nov 14 18:38
neighborlee who is alastair Nov 14 18:38
neighborlee checking Nov 14 18:38
schestowitz He’s the main man at Tectonic. Nov 14 18:39
neighborlee thats what in part I mean about bad  QA. Nov 14 18:39
schestowitz It’s a good site. Nov 14 18:39
neighborlee ah Nov 14 18:39
schestowitz Just in: Lawrence Lessig Announced as 2008 Monaco Media Prize Winner < http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/08… > Nov 14 18:45
_doug Novell bid to cannibalise Linux market .. Nov 14 18:57
_doug http://www.itwire.com/cont… Nov 14 18:57
schestowitz That comment in Glyn’s that says PJ… Nov 14 18:58
schestowitz It’s not her! Nov 14 18:58
schestowitz I asked because I’ve noticed QUITE A FEW RECENTLY. *gasp* Nov 14 18:58
schestowitz _doug: I wrote about Sam’s article here:http://boycottnovell.com/2008/… Nov 14 18:59
schestowitz http://boycottnovell.com/2008… ““Another facet of the same problem is that the rest of open source can no longer trust Novell coders. Are Novell employees producing code to advance open source or to advance the Microsoft-Novell attack on open source?”” Nov 14 18:59
schestowitz Steve Stites also commented in Glyn’s blog. Nov 14 18:59
neighborlee exactly ;) Nov 14 19:12
schestowitz Imagine using these instead of monitors? http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS… Nov 14 19:14
_doug Auntie Beeb’s amazing, evolving, ID card stories .. Nov 14 19:14
_doug http://www.theregister.co.uk/2… Nov 14 19:14
schestowitz BTW, the fake PJ is why she doesn’t comment publicly. There are fake Linuses too. I told him about it and he replied. He still makes some “real” comments, though. Now he has a blog where he can rant. :-) Let’s not forget the Markoff incident/s. ;-) Nov 14 19:14
schestowitz Amazing, _doug Nov 14 19:15
schestowitz Is it GBP14 billion for that junk? Nov 14 19:15
PetoKraus billion or milliard? :P Nov 14 19:17
schestowitz http://opendotdotdot.blogspot.com/20… Nov 14 19:17
schestowitz bn Nov 14 19:17
_doug Workers at two airports will be used to test UK national identity card, the government is expected to announce. Nov 14 19:19
_doug [ Jacqui Smith says public demand means people will be able to pre-register for an ID card within the next few months. Nov 14 19:19
_doug The cards will be available for all from 2012 but she said: “I regularly have people coming up to me and saying they don’t want to wait that long.” Nov 14 19:19
_doug ] Nov 14 19:19
_doug [ Campaigners No2ID said it was a “transparent attempt to save ministerial face” amid opposition from unions and airline bosses, who say it is unjustified and would not improve security. Nov 14 19:19
_doug ] Nov 14 19:19
_doug Non-EU students and marriage visa holders will be the first to receive the ID cards this month, followed by airport workers and from 2010 a voluntary system for other people will come into effect. Nov 14 19:19
schestowitz Yay! We get surveillance and pay for it! Yay! Double yay! What’s it good for again? Nov 14 19:20
*schestowitz can’t wait to find some leaked database of people’s medical records and IDs on torrent [sarcasm /] Nov 14 19:21
schestowitz Intel warning puts a chill on Microsoft: http://www.techflash.com/microsoft/Microso… (from MS fan Nov 14 19:22
twitter Avoiding DRM laced HDMI … otherwise mini projector is nice Nov 14 19:22
schestowitz “Ultimately, Microsoft changed its mind and lowered the requirements so that PCs with those chipsets received the “Windows Vista Capable” logo — even though they couldn’t run the glossy Aero Glass interface or other signature Windows Vista features.” <http://www.techflash.com/microsoft/New_e-ma… > Nov 14 19:24
schestowitz Bssted. Nov 14 19:24
schestowitz Vista suit links Microsoft, Intel CEOs < http://www.techflash.com/microsoft/V… >. Collusion concluded? Nov 14 19:24
schestowitz Sun restructures, lays off up to 6,000 < http://news.cnet.com/8301-1001_3-… > Nov 14 19:35
schestowitz Reviewer still leave Vista in the garbage for some O/S from 2001… Battle of the Big Three Which Operating System Reigns Supreme? < http://clubs.ccsu.edu/recorder/campuslife/… > Nov 14 19:41
schestowitz http://www.sys-con.com/node/744212 ( 1105 Media Cancels “Virtualization Live” Conference Due to Recession, It Says ) Nov 14 19:42
PetoKraus oh god! Nov 14 19:42
PetoKraus OOO is piece of CRAP Nov 14 19:42
PetoKraus it takes system colours no matter what Nov 14 19:43
schestowitz Yes, it’s changing its UI colours. Nov 14 19:43
schestowitz KDE? Nov 14 19:43
schestowitz Try ticking the box for not applying colours scheme to non-Qt apps Nov 14 19:43
PetoKraus is there some box? Nov 14 19:44
PetoKraus i’m using E Nov 14 19:44
PetoKraus and black GTK theme Nov 14 19:44
schestowitz I use dark themss too. Nov 14 19:45
schestowitz I’m not sure about Enlightenment. I used it many years ago… like 7. It’s minimalist Nov 14 19:45
schestowitz IOW, you might not have this option. Nov 14 19:45
schestowitz Try seeing if you can pass command lines args to Oo-writer/whatever.. for themes Nov 14 19:46
PetoKraus http://pk.gjhak.sk/.storage/2008… Nov 14 19:46
PetoKraus i mean, come on! Nov 14 19:46
PetoKraus when i change gtk theme, it’s okay Nov 14 19:47
PetoKraus when i set the colour values, they don’t work Nov 14 19:47
schestowitz Haha. Looks like mine. Nov 14 19:48
schestowitz When I needed to take screenshots I just changed themes momentarily. Nov 14 19:48
PetoKraus gnumeric does it properly Nov 14 19:48
PetoKraus i need to SEE the freaking GRAPH Nov 14 19:48
MinceR i keep having color problems with ooo, too Nov 14 19:48
schestowitz Meh. gnumeric.. OOXML… MOOX Nov 14 19:48
MinceR i think it completely ignores cell background colors in calc already Nov 14 19:48
MinceR gnumeric > ooo calc Nov 14 19:49
twitter gnumeric is infected with OOXML?  Nooooooooo!  Not my favorite spreadsheet. Nov 14 19:51
twitter About the spam problem.  Do you have an easy way to tighten the caphca?  little images of the numbers instead of text, subtraction, multiplication and addition might help. Nov 14 19:52
schestowitz twitter: they already get trapped, but I need to rescue false positives. Nov 14 19:54
trmanco http://www.itwire.com/content… Nov 14 19:55
schestowitz Silly remark: http://community.zdnet.co.uk/blog/0,… “If nothing else, the move will increase competition and keep Red Hat looking at the terms of its own support contracts.” Nov 14 19:57
schestowitz Competition? Linux vs Linux is hardly competition, esp. when done in this brutal fashion. Wake up, Peter. Pretty please. Nov 14 19:57
trmanco http://www.javaworld.com/javaworld/jw… Nov 14 20:03
MinceR http://www.xvsxp.com/files/images/do… Nov 14 20:04
MinceR http://www.xvsxp.com/files/images/col… Nov 14 20:04
schestowitz *LOL* “You are not allowed to do cunning things” Nov 14 20:04
trmanco http://www.junauza.com/2008/11/take-this-lin… Nov 14 20:05
MinceR http://www.xvsxp.com/files/i… Nov 14 20:05
MinceR and then they dare call it a unix Nov 14 20:05
trmanco LOL MinceR Nov 14 20:05
trmanco it is BSD based Nov 14 20:05
schestowitz Windows is cool with whitespaces because it doesn’t give a s* about the CLI (cmd.exe) Nov 14 20:06
trmanco schestowitz, and the cool thing is that you can’t name your files or folders as you want Nov 14 20:06
schestowitz *LOL* Vista RIP boot image Nov 14 20:06
trmanco “con” is an example Nov 14 20:06
schestowitz That’s like a car whose bonnet you can’t open and greabox you are not ‘allowed’ to shift to 5 Nov 14 20:07
schestowitz “Yes, you can do it, but well.. you can’t… trust us” Nov 14 20:07
trmanco http://www.theinquirer.net/en/inqui… Nov 14 20:08
schestowitz ARNnet turns out to be IDG. *spit spit* Nov 14 20:09
schestowitz Can Vista 7 do “con”? Have they fixed this bug yet? Nov 14 20:10
schestowitz 7 years to patch a bug… is that why they call it Vista 7? Nov 14 20:10
schestowitz Microsoft takes 7 years to fix security exploit : http://news.cnet.com/8301-13846_3-1… Nov 14 20:10
schestowitz http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/1… : MS patch Tuesday includes fix for seven-year old itch Nov 14 20:11
trmanco schestowitz, I dunno Nov 14 20:12
trmanco schestowitz, they only patched that 7 year old bug partially Nov 14 20:12
schestowitz it’s a start Nov 14 20:12
schestowitz Maybe they waited 7 years for a patent application on this bugfix to go through. Nov 14 20:13
trmanco I can’t remember where a read this Nov 14 20:14
trmanco I think it was on COLA Nov 14 20:14
schestowitz “An apparatus for improving functionality in Microsoft(R) Windows(R)…” Nov 14 20:14
trmanco Rated (R) Nov 14 20:14
trmanco It is bad for kid under age :-P Nov 14 20:14
trmanco kids* Nov 14 20:14
schestowitz Noveller:  Free Software Foundation does the right thing for free culture (  http://blogs.zdnet.com/community/?p=128 )      FSF: Novell does the wrong thing for culture. Nov 14 20:15
schestowitz eWeek needs updating (see date): “With the collaboration between Microsoft and Novell, however, this is no longer the case. Join us on Oct. 29 as experts from Microsoft and Novell share insights into how mixed-source virtualization can help improve operational efficiency, and what work is being done to help manage these environments.” Nov 14 20:18
schestowitz http://www.eweek.com/c/a/Green-IT/Neil-Young… Nov 14 20:19
schestowitz I’ve just mailed SJVN regarrding this mischief of his: http://blogs.computerworld.com/n… Nov 14 20:20
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schestowitz Some people think of Novell and SUSE only in terms of technical merits. http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free… Nov 14 20:21
schestowitz FUDdy piece: http://advice.cio.com/peter_vescuso/going_hybr… Nov 14 20:40
schestowitz It’s accurate, but it sends MIXED messages [pun]. Nov 14 20:41
schestowitz Sun Micro under pressure to sell, but buyers wary < http://www.forbes.com/afxnewslimited/fee… > Nov 14 20:41
schestowitz No fiber… :-( :-( “FORGET EVERYTHING you’ve been promised by BT. We’re probably never going to get the much-anticipated super-fast broadband we’ve all been waiting for.” < http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquirer/news… > < http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/… > Nov 14 20:55
schestowitz On the bright note: ” A senior U.S. lawmaker plans to introduce a bill in January that would bar Internet providers like AT&T Inc from blocking Web content, setting up a renewed battle over so-called network neutrality.” < http://tech.yahoo.com/news/nm/20… > Nov 14 20:57
schestowitz More exploitation and corruption unfolds: FTC sues internet ‘loan sharks’ for deceptive lending < http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/1… > Nov 14 21:04
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Omar87 Can we say that MySpace is to Google like Facebook is to Microsoft? Nov 14 21:30
schestowitz Ubuntu hits back at Mandriva’s rant (personal rant): Nov 14 21:31
schestowitz http://www.jonobacon.org/?p=1381 Nov 14 21:31
schestowitz MySpace and Google?!?! Nov 14 21:31
schestowitz Didn’t they sell out to Microsoft search just like FB? Nov 14 21:31
Omar87 schestowitz: I don’t know about that. But I don’t think so. Nov 14 21:32
Omar87 schestowitz: Is there anything like that really? Nov 14 21:32
Omar87 schestowitz: If that’s true, then how come their search engine is powered by Google? Nov 14 21:33
Omar87 schestowitz: I’ve just found an old article stating that MySpace is a great threat to Microsoft.. Nov 14 21:34
schestowitz Maybe they changed Nov 14 21:35
schestowitz I think they flip-flopped. As I remember it, they chose Google and MS tried to steal them away. A bit like Digg with advertisements. Nov 14 21:36
Omar87 schestowitz: I also found another article saying something like Microsoft have created another MySpace of their own… or something like that… Nov 14 21:37
schestowitz Oh. let me checl. Nov 14 21:37
MinceR digg has advertisements, many of them written by commenters Nov 14 21:37
schestowitz :-) Nov 14 21:37
schestowitz True. Nov 14 21:37
schestowitz Digg was good in 2006. Nov 14 21:37
schestowitz I was ranked 17th. Nov 14 21:37
Omar87 Technorati is cool too! :) Nov 14 21:37
schestowitz There’s MSN Spaces Nov 14 21:38
schestowitz http://news.google.com/archivese… Nov 14 21:38
schestowitz Yuck. http://www.informationweek.com/news/showAr… ( MySpace Lures Microsoft Exec To Become CSO ) They ‘poison’ themselves. Nov 14 21:39
schestowitz I remember this: http://www.accessmylibrary.com/com… Nov 14 21:39
schestowitz IIRC, MySpace runs or used to run Windows…which is rare for large sites. Nov 14 21:40
schestowitz Nov 14 21:41
schestowitz There are the other changes, though. Schwartz mentions that OpenOffice 3 distributed over three million copies — last week. He states, quite sensibly, that it is likely this userbase (that he estimates to be between 150 million and 200 million) will grow as the economy continues to struggle (though I’d hope it could also be attributed to the realization OpenOffice is a worthy alternative to other office suites). Nov 14 21:41
schestowitz There are the other changes, though. Schwartz mentions that OpenOffice 3 distributed over three million copies — last week. He states, quite sensibly, that it is likely this userbase (that he estimates to be between 150 million and 200 million) will grow as the economy continues to struggle (though I’d hope it could also be attributed to the realization OpenOffice is a worthy alternative to other office suites).” Nov 14 21:41
schestowitz Bit news yet to come…  http://ostatic.com/176986-blog/sun-cu… Nov 14 21:42
Omar87 schestowitz: DAMN! When I curled MySpace, I it said that their site is powered by .NET! Nov 14 21:42
schestowitz I just added a warning: “Those who care about freedom should adopt OOo and abolish Microvell’s go-oo.” Nov 14 21:43
schestowitz Omar87: it’s a rare exception. And the site looks like trash. Nov 14 21:44
Omar87 schestowitz: LOL! Even Facebook doesn’t use ASP.NET. :D Nov 14 21:44
schestowitz Microsoft spends a fortune trying to convert Linux/BSD sites it buys. Nov 14 21:47
schestowitz Hotmail being a well-known example. Nov 14 21:47
trmanco the Hotmail service is degrading Nov 14 22:04
schestowitz Microsoft touched it. Nov 14 22:04
MinceR they’ve been degrading since the moment they got their paws on it Nov 14 22:06
trmanco back then when I registered an email with it is use to be minimally usable Nov 14 22:07
trmanco back then when I registered an email with Hotmail, it use to be minimally usable* Nov 14 22:08
trmanco back in 2002 Nov 14 22:08
schestowitz Be prepared for Mahoo! Mail. Nov 14 22:12
trmanco I have an account there too Nov 14 22:12
trmanco and it has been degrading to Nov 14 22:13
trmanco too much ads and it is slow Nov 14 22:13
schestowitz Microsoft bought Hotmail for users, not eh technology (BSD); same with Yahoo! Nov 14 22:13
neighborlee I use gmail now, and am very content with it. Nov 14 22:13
trmanco yes me too Nov 14 22:13
trmanco Gmail is the only one that kicks ass Nov 14 22:14
trmanco the only email service that has improved and continues improving Nov 14 22:15
neighborlee yup Nov 14 22:16
schestowitz A little /too/ much? Nov 14 22:16
trmanco of course by default it has some bloat, but it is easy to remove Nov 14 22:16
neighborlee never had any spam to speak of since using them Nov 14 22:16
trmanco schestowitz, yes Nov 14 22:16
schestowitz http://www.seroundtable.com/archi… Nov 14 22:16
trmanco they are flooding the news with all those lab features, I use some of them Nov 14 22:17
schestowitz “Please upgrade to Windows from this Lunix thing to get the full Google experience..” Nov 14 22:17
neighborlee lol Nov 14 22:17
trmanco haven’t tried this Nov 14 22:18
schestowitz http://radar.oreilly.com/archi… Nov 14 22:18
trmanco this is bloat in my opinion Nov 14 22:18
schestowitz Windows-only… thank you , Google. Nov 14 22:18
schestowitz Google never gave a damn about Web standards, so… Nov 14 22:19
neighborlee I think in part what is unfair is that the mono discussion, while being VERY relevant to all that use foss to be aware of all the repercusions and whats in the news, that the thread instead degrades down into: Go Back     Ubuntu Forums > The Ubuntu Forum Community  > Forum Community Discussions  > The Community Cafe  > Recurring Discussions < where really very few go…is it any wonder we have less traction than otherise we might Nov 14 22:19
neighborlee .. Nov 14 22:19
schestowitz It’s giving excuses for other people to adopt the same attitude and spew garbage at browsers… because it was tested and works in a few major ones. Nov 14 22:19
trmanco there is a labs feature that recommends windows too, mouse gesture something Nov 14 22:20
schestowitz There you go.. Nov 14 22:20
trmanco well Nov 14 22:21
schestowitz neighborlee: in Ubuntu mentality, more market share = goal #1 (remember bug #1?)… get Mono infection, ask for Moonlight junkware… whatever… just for market share. Nov 14 22:21
trmanco but Between the Microhoo mail services I still prefer Gmail Nov 14 22:21
neighborlee schestowitz, of course. Nov 14 22:21
neighborlee $$$ ;) Nov 14 22:21
neighborlee trmanco, totally Nov 14 22:21
schestowitz That’s getting binaries and poisonware, that’s not GNU/Linux. It’s another OS X… and it’s caused by the boosters and Mono guards occupying the forums. Nov 14 22:21
schestowitz They must not be foolish Nov 14 22:22
schestowitz Being ‘champions’ is not a Mac vs PC-like fight. Nov 14 22:22
trmanco A new banshee version is out, now also polluting OS X Nov 14 22:22
schestowitz Mac vs PC is one binary versus another cock… two idiot fighting over whose cock is bigger. Nov 14 22:23
trmanco LOL Nov 14 22:23
schestowitz Free software has a broader goal, which is freedom. Nov 14 22:23
trmanco Rated (R) Nov 14 22:23
schestowitz It’s not about “making loads of $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$!!1!!!!!!!!!!!!!!” Nov 14 22:23
trmanco You know, I still wonder what happened to the majority of the trolls on Usenet Nov 14 22:26
schestowitz I don’t worry. I celebrate deep inside. Nov 14 22:29
schestowitz It’s true that it’s quiet. Nov 14 22:29
schestowitz It was a NUTHOUSE about 6 months ago. _doug left in fury. Nov 14 22:29
MinceR open platform, my ass. >> http://linux.slashdot.org/article.pl?si… Nov 14 22:29
schestowitz I hate the word “open” Nov 14 22:30
schestowitz It’s open to abuse Nov 14 22:30
trmanco there is still one serious troll on COLA Nov 14 22:30
schestowitz Microsoft’s Jason M even hackled the thing… cause it’s so easy to abuse the word, which THEY DID. Nov 14 22:30
schestowitz Heh. My karma in /. is “Excellent” Nov 14 22:30
MinceR i don’t hate the word “open” but i hate the ones who abuse it. Nov 14 22:30
MinceR mine is “Positive” Nov 14 22:31
schestowitz Google is not open. Android is /marketed/ as open. Nov 14 22:31
schestowitz I don’t think it’s even open to choice of carrier! Nov 14 22:31
schestowitz But, but….. it runs Liiiiiiiiinux! Wow. Not. Nov 14 22:31
MinceR well, motorola did that before google Nov 14 22:32
MinceR and it was already jailed then Nov 14 22:32
schestowitz Yes, they did. it’s good validation though. Nov 14 22:32
schestowitz Motorola is not joining Google. Minds thinking alike probably… Nov 14 22:32
schestowitz Is Maemo ‘open/? Nov 14 22:32
schestowitz Can I build the whole stack from source code? Nov 14 22:33
MinceR dunno Nov 14 22:33
MinceR maemo doesn’t have phone capabilities, so it’s irrelevant to my interests Nov 14 22:33
schestowitz Chomium… not Chrome… Chromium. Nov 14 22:33
schestowitz We love our binaries……… here…. have some code to play with… some. Nov 14 22:34
MinceR as far as i am concerned, Chromium is crippled by windows-specific code and shitty windows font rendering techniques. Nov 14 22:34
trmanco Chrome is not that good Nov 14 22:35
schestowitz Infoweek… wow… http://www.informationweek.com/news… Nov 14 22:36
schestowitz First blogs,… now imported content… Nov 14 22:36
trmanco I’ve tried it a couple of times and it is not “Extremely fast” as some hyped blogger wrote about Nov 14 22:36
MinceR indeed Nov 14 22:36
schestowitz They might be going the way of the dodo like ZeeDee Gates. Nov 14 22:36
trmanco bloggers* Nov 14 22:36
schestowitz Just stupid blogs and Reuters plugs… Nov 14 22:37
MinceR but i’d still like to have a browser that separates fragile stuff into processes Nov 14 22:37
schestowitz Fast… like the release of some comics. Nov 14 22:37
schestowitz “And the myth grew…” Nov 14 22:37
schestowitz “Vista 7 is fast,” say a gang of bloggers with multi-core gifts… and Microsoft affinity in their history. Nov 14 22:38
trmanco MinceR, yes that is good, and it doesn’t hog much ram either, but wtf, I didn’t buy 1GB of ram to have 800 MB unused, so … Nov 14 22:39
MinceR i keep killing my browser when i play big games Nov 14 22:40
MinceR so i could use reducing the horrible wasting of memory Nov 14 22:40
MinceR also, it would be nice if a browser bug would only crash a tab, not the entire browser Nov 14 22:40
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trmanco yes that multi tab process thing is a good idea Nov 14 22:41
trmanco but, is it patented? Nov 14 22:41
schestowitz Silly bloggers ignore the price difference… http://www.alleyinsider.com/2008/11/… … the cause for Microsoft to lose Windows profit margins just to make it so… harder for GNU/Linux. Nov 14 22:41
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schestowitz Perception manufacturing. I still think Intel jacked up the price to suit Wintel price-fixing days. Nov 14 22:42
schestowitz trmanco: patented? It’s trivial. Nov 14 22:43
schestowitz Most patents are very vain by nature. Inherently, all ideas are unoriginal… they are aggregation of inspirations and existing knowledge synthesized together, The same goes for copyrighted music. Nov 14 22:44
trmanco well, time to go, see ya later guys Nov 14 22:47
schestowitz cya Nov 14 22:49
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  1. David Gerard said,

    November 15, 2008 at 6:01 am


    Seen this? Sun to sell ads in their OpenOffice.org binary distribution:


    This could be the single most effective recruiting tool imaginable for Novell go-oo. *facepalm*

  2. Roy Schestowitz said,

    November 15, 2008 at 6:04 am


    Yes, I was going to do a long post about Sun and Microsoft later today.

  3. G. Michaels said,

    November 15, 2008 at 7:34 pm


    @twitter: I agree, the comments on Slashdot are going down the drain these days. See for example this:


    And this thread:


    Or this one:


    Note: writer of this comment adds absolutely nothing but stalking and personal attacks against readers, as documented here.

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