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IRC: #boycottnovell @ FreeNode: December 16th, 2008

Posted in IRC Logs at 4:36 am by Dr. Roy Schestowitz

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twitter hmmm, your friends might be right about China buying US car makers.  http://www.allheadlinenews.c… Dec 16 00:57
twitter That one is 10% owned by Warren Buffet though. Dec 16 00:58
twitter Once they own everything, Buffet will get the shaft – that’s how corruption works.  Cronies are offered a small piece of the rewards as long as they are needed. Dec 16 00:59
schestowitz I don’t think friends told me. Dec 16 00:59
schestowitz It’s something I thought about individually. Dec 16 00:59
schestowitz The prince of Dubai buys stake in our banks too Dec 16 00:59
schestowitz My cousin sent me this < http://blogs.zdnet.com/BTL… > from Jason Hiner, a Microsoft fanboy who obviously thinks Microsoft and its subsidiaries rule the world. He also slams Linux sometimes, so…… worth noting is that there are some crooks in this list too. Dec 16 01:29
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Omar87 Is AMD more friendly with Linux that Intel? Dec 16 05:27
Omar87 than* Dec 16 05:27
neighborlee well amd has ati now, and ati has OSS drivers, intel has some as well…maybe its a draw ? Dec 16 05:30
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schestowitz Has Intel run of of things to research? http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2008/1… Dec 16 10:23
schestowitz http://beranger.org/index.php?page=diary&… “The short definition of a Ponzi scheme: a pyramid-like scheme, where investors are promised extremely high returns on their investment, but in reality early investors are paid with money collected from later investors.” Dec 16 10:33
schestowitz “The short definition of a bank or of an investment fund: a bunch of stupid thieves, not any better in managing your money than a drunken chimp.” Dec 16 10:33
schestowitz bbl Dec 16 10:39
MinceR r4wr Dec 16 10:51
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twitter there’s no honor among thieves, http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/new… Dec 16 14:24
twitter “Tremont Group Holdings Inc., a hedge- fund firm owned by OppenheimerFunds Inc., had $3.3 billion, or more than half its total assets, invested with Bernard Madoff.” Dec 16 14:24
twitter - “We believe Tremont exercised appropriate due diligence in connection with the Madoff investments,” the firm said today in a statement. Dec 16 14:25
twitter - Other funds that invested big with Madoff include Walter Noel’s Fairfield Greenwich Group, which had about $7.5 billion out of its $14.1 billion in total assets invested with the manager.             All together funds of funds had at least $20.3 billion invested with Madoff Dec 16 14:25
twitter Funds of funds, thieves of thieves. Dec 16 14:26
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schestowitz FraudStreet Dec 16 14:37
schestowitz I have a new name for it… now that NASDAQ chairman is a criminal. Dec 16 14:38
schestowitz That’s the Big Criminals… these are the people to hunt down, not people who shoplift or smoke pot. But people don’t understand what is happening. They haven’t a clue… people that I speak to. Dec 16 14:38
schestowitz Madoffocker :-) Dec 16 14:39
schestowitz Pyramid schemes for work and leisure… and ego… while it lasts. Dec 16 14:39
schestowitz He stole from the rich (and standards.. and poor)…. to give it to the rich Dec 16 14:42
schestowitz Enter the beast… http://www.itwire.com/content/v… … Dick Hardt saw a criminal company with a candy and couldn’t say “no” Dec 16 14:44
schestowitz Boys will be boys and trolls will troll… http://blogs.zdnet.com/Murph… Dec 16 14:49
schestowitz Haha. Crazy MAFIAA! http://techdirt.com/articles/2008121… Dec 16 14:52
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schestowitz Groklaw is asleep.  We all look forward to having PJ back on the pony, metaphorically speaking. Groklaw covers a lot of things that would never be covered without her. Dec 16 15:07
schestowitz More new corruption (Bribery at Phillips again): http://www.pcworld.com/article/155… Dec 16 15:31
schestowitz Haha. A shoe-throwing game eventually did come out… http://www.pcworld.com/article/155514/shoes_pre… Dec 16 15:33
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Omar87 Hi all. Dec 16 15:56
Omar87 Lol, take this story. : Dec 16 15:56
Omar87 :) Dec 16 15:56
schestowitz Newspaper ‘Steals’ Empire State Building in Just 90 Minutes http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933… Dec 16 15:57
schestowitz Killing Robot Being Tested by Lockheed Martin http://www.schneier.com/blog/archi… Dec 16 15:57
schestowitz China ‘bans BBC Chinese website’ http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/worl… ; Food Bank Pressure Increases in US http://technocrat.net/d/2008/12/15/55620 apocalypse ;-) Dec 16 15:58
zoobab p Dec 16 15:58
schestowitz pong Dec 16 15:58
Omar87 Today at my college, one of my mates (an MS fanboi) told me he’d doing a project which he claims is Open Source, based on C#, Mono, and will be ran on Centos. :) Dec 16 15:58
schestowitz zoobab: did you get my 7 submissions or so? I see just 2 Dec 16 15:59
Omar87 and he wants to get me involved. Dec 16 15:59
schestowitz Why not Java? Dec 16 15:59
schestowitz C# is bad imitation of rhe real thing, which is GPLv2 Dec 16 16:00
Omar87 I frankly told him I’m not interested. In other words, go find a kitten to play with. :) Dec 16 16:00
Omar87 schestowitz: Like I said, he’s a MS and Windows guy. Dec 16 16:00
Omar87 He told me that himself. Dec 16 16:01
Omar87 Plus he was the leader of the .NET club at my University. Dec 16 16:01
schestowitz “10,000 sites hijacked Because Microsoft hasn’t fixed a flaw” http://www.theinquirer.net/i… Dec 16 16:01
schestowitz .NET club?? Dec 16 16:01
Omar87 Yup! Dec 16 16:01
schestowitz Sounds like Microsoft Gold Partner os sumthin’ Dec 16 16:01
Omar87 lol :) Dec 16 16:01
schestowitz There could be kickbacks. Dec 16 16:02
Omar87 MS has devoured Jordan a loooooo..oong time ago. Dec 16 16:02
Omar87 Next time I see that guy, I’m gonna strike him directly. Dec 16 16:04
Omar87 I’m gonna tell him frankly that his project doesn’t make sense at all. Dec 16 16:05
Omar87 If he’s a Windows fanboy, then why the hell not using Windows2000? Dec 16 16:06
Omar87 And not matter how he answers this question, he won’t get away. Because simply none of his answers will make sense. Dec 16 16:07
schestowitz Eeek. http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer… Dec 16 16:08
schestowitz Microsoft wants the ‘Lunix people’ to embrace .NET… nothing new… embrace, extend, and….. Dec 16 16:08
Omar87 .. extinguish.. Dec 16 16:09
Omar87 But I can bit that this bloated technique won’t be fruitful. Dec 16 16:09
Omar87 Because in my opinion, it sounds exactly like filling the entire Atlantic ocean in a paper cup. Dec 16 16:10
schestowitz Apple omg, where’z moi moneyz…????!! http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/047/10… Dec 16 16:11
schestowitz Oops Correct link: http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer… Dec 16 16:11
Omar87 Let us all hope that the day when Microsoft embraces Bankruptcy is not far from now.. Dec 16 16:15
schestowitz http://www.pcworld.com/articl… (Toshiba to Slash Flash Memory Production as Demand Drops). Could it have anything to do with FraudStreet and Madoffocker? Dec 16 16:15
schestowitz Omar87: no bankruptcy, but they approach debt. Let me find recommended reading for you… Dec 16 16:15
schestowitz Here. Read this: http://www.billparish.com/ms… Dec 16 16:16
schestowitz “The Financial Pyramid At Microsoft Is Now Accelerating”… kind of like Madofffocker and his Ponzi/Pyramid Scheme… which is now exposing more accomplices. This is just the beginning… Dec 16 16:16
Omar87 Dept. is not enough… Bankruptcy. Dec 16 16:17
schestowitz “Mr. Brown also hired his former boss from Deloitte and Touche to be internal auditor at Microsoft.  When this respected former partner of Deloitte told Mike that what they were doing was illegal and constituted securities fraud he was given the option to resign or be fired, according to an ABC News Story. “ Dec 16 16:18
schestowitz “Many believe that the stock market crash of 1929 caused the Great Depression yet history clearly shows that it was instead simply bad government policy that was manipulated by leaders such as Insull.  Today many now fear a similar stock market crash but in reality the economy is very strong and, if we can reform this pyramid at Microsoft, the overall market should not need to correct more than 20 percent. “ Dec 16 16:19
schestowitz http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki… Dec 16 16:20
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schestowitz “A Ponzi scheme is a fraudulent investment operation that involves paying abnormally high returns to investors out of the money paid in by subsequent investors, rather than from the profit from any real business. It is named after Charles Ponzi.[1] The term “Ponzi scheme” is used primarily in the United States, while other English-speaking countries do not distinguish verbally between this scheme and other forms of pyramid scheme.[ Dec 16 16:21
schestowitz 2]” Dec 16 16:21
neighborlee schestowitz, I think jo has gone over the edge by using profanity : http://boycottnovell.com/2008/12/15/s… < last post Dec 16 16:21
schestowitz We’ll need to hire a babysitter for him ;-) Dec 16 16:22
neighborlee but then again, thats their collective modus operandi Dec 16 16:22
neighborlee schestowitz, LOL indeed we do ;) Dec 16 16:22
neighborlee heH I think slated clearly hit a rough n erve ;) Dec 16 16:24
neighborlee I think he really is squealing ;) Dec 16 16:25
neighborlee o_0 Dec 16 16:25
schestowitz Squealing??? See his site… cute monkeys at all.. Dec 16 16:31
neighborlee I was just referencing a slate comment as it seemed appropriate ;))heh Dec 16 16:32
neighborlee touched a nerve, made him squeal ,,yadda ;) Dec 16 16:32
schestowitz Hehe. My friend is taking the collapse easy… Dec 16 16:33
schestowitz His company lost 600 grands in just 2 days… Dec 16 16:33
schestowitz “Do you want to come out on Friday, we will be meeting at the gym around 6.30pm, come along and we can celebrate      the meltdown!” Dec 16 16:33
schestowitz Dow Jones (DJ) Sale Opposed by Parish & Company < http://www.billparish.com/200707… > Dec 16 16:41
schestowitz Hm… he did see some of these things coming… I had some correspondence with him (brief).. http://www.billparish.com/20080324usat… (Some of Wall Street’s most private investors are beginning to have some public problems.) Dec 16 16:42
neighborlee hehe,,well if you go down I guess thats a great way to do it, with a smile ;) Dec 16 16:45
schestowitz Not with a bang but with a whimper :-) Dec 16 16:47
neighborlee :) Dec 16 16:50
neighborlee kinda like xbox 360 .,poor thing. Dec 16 16:51
neighborlee wii is crushing them all in sales. Dec 16 16:51
schestowitz Just in: http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2008/12/16… Dec 16 16:51
schestowitz Fraudsters Dec 16 16:51
schestowitz They also knew about other flaws that burned houses down. Dec 16 16:51
neighborlee my friend just got a new one ( along with wiifit) for xmas from father ,,we chatted about it last night and shared mii’s rofl Dec 16 16:52
schestowitz It wasn’t good for business to recall, rework or warn the public, so they didn’t.. Vandals. Dec 16 16:52
neighborlee sigh Dec 16 16:53
twitter Omar87, ask your fanboy why he’s not using Suse, but there’s no need to “strike” him.  The poor man is deluded and will eventually come to his senses. Dec 16 16:53
schestowitz ” How the Bush campaign paid people to riot and stop a recount in Miami in 2000. I read recently that one of the organiers of this act of political fraud said that Bush’s conduct made him regret it. ” < http://www.stallman.org/archives/2008-sep-… > Dec 16 16:53
schestowitz http://www.t-enterprise.co.uk/flashgam… (I don’t like the guns though) Dec 16 16:54
twitter schestowitz, the US economy was strong ten years ago.  A century of protectionism against free economies had weakened it but trade with non free China had only started.  Today, there is only a kernel of US manufacturing left. Dec 16 16:56
schestowitz 5 million jobs in the auto industry Dec 16 16:57
schestowitz Someone spoke with me about it this morning. I couldn’t believe the number. Dec 16 16:57
schestowitz [sarcasm] do you reckon China and Japan will hire people in Detroit for the task of manufacturing cars? Dec 16 16:57
twitter Yes. Dec 16 16:58
twitter Japan already employs US workers in the US to manufacture cars. Dec 16 16:58
twitter China will too. Dec 16 16:58
twitter Where did that 5 million number come from?  There are only 300 million people in the US. Dec 16 16:59
schestowitz 5 million. Maybe 3 million is maybe what he said. Dec 16 16:59
twitter I can believe the number if it takes into account people who stand around car lots. Dec 16 17:00
schestowitz [two maybes... oops] Dec 16 17:00
schestowitz I really don’t know the real numbers… but he’s a high senior, so I assumed he knew what he was talking about Dec 16 17:00
twitter It’s a big deal but oil is even bigger and it’s expansion and contraction regularly takes more than that. Dec 16 17:01
twitter A lot of BS numbers are floated in Washington DC these days, trying to get one or two last bonus checks before the ride is over. Dec 16 17:01
schestowitz STUPID /… Dec 16 17:03
schestowitz Headline “openSUSE Launches 11.1″… It’s NOT out yet… they deceive Dec 16 17:04
schestowitz .http://rss.slashdot.org/~r/Slashdot/sla… Dec 16 17:04
schestowitz I thought now was a good time for a reminder: http://boycottnovell.com/2008/12/1… Dec 16 17:05
schestowitz One CANNOT make fraud ‘the norm’….. that would be like saying that cigarettes are bad, so if we make everyone a smoker, then the problem will go away. Dec 16 17:06
neighborlee lol Dec 16 17:08
schestowitz Media is dying… Perlow is leaving Linux Magazine… http://www.linux-mag.com/id/7205 (blogs take their thunder.. steal it) Dec 16 17:18
twitter Best Buy is in trouble.  http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&amp… Dec 16 17:19
twitter “offering buy outs” is a nice way of firing 4000 people, nice spin to it. Dec 16 17:20
schestowitz I would be a surprise if it wasnt’ Dec 16 17:20
schestowitz [in trouble] Dec 16 17:20
schestowitz MinceR has this page he links to… with a banner for Best Buy.. http://bellini.blog.hu/2008/12/10/l… “Please Buy” Dec 16 17:21
schestowitz “Please Buy /Out/” Dec 16 17:21
twitter I smell a Vista failure story in this.  HP survived by selling mostly XP and offering GNU/Linux.  CompUSA, Circuit City, DSG all took big losses being channel stuffed. Dec 16 17:21
twitter Some M$ partners were more equal than others. Dec 16 17:22
*schestowitz listens to “Dean Martin – Watching The World Go By” Dec 16 17:23
schestowitz It’s a happy song BTW Dec 16 17:24
*MinceR is listening to: Slayers Next Sound Bible I – Why Should I Fear Dec 16 17:25
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schestowitz That’s a sadder one. Dec 16 17:25
seller_liar I was thinking… Dec 16 17:25
schestowitz *LOL* @ MinceR Dec 16 17:26
seller_liar M$ can use mono code , if someday m$ need Dec 16 17:26
twitter twitter listens to the birds chirp in his backyard. Dec 16 17:26
twitter M$ continues their “interoperability” fraud, http://www.informationweek.com/news/… Dec 16 17:26
seller_liar like apple uses webkit code Dec 16 17:26
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schestowitz seller_liar: yes, it can. Dec 16 17:26
twitter Instead of using ODF support, M$ is publishing some kind of notes to “help developers”. Dec 16 17:28
twitter What a nice way to shift blame to others for poor support. Dec 16 17:28
schestowitz Oh, I see Microsoft wants to force ODF-adopting countries to choose Office. Dec 16 17:29
twitter If M$ cared, ODF would have been the default format and there would be no OOXML. Dec 16 17:29
schestowitz They’ll do their “scientology-like” (ANFOR incident) routine.. Dec 16 17:29
twitter M$ can’t just compete on a level playing field like everyone else.  They have to shove their crap formats. Dec 16 17:30
schestowitz The investors.. Dec 16 17:31
schestowitz Be an arsehole is the business model.. always been the case. Dec 16 17:31
Omar87 “Microsoft Xbox Sued Again, This [???] for Software Patent Infringement” Dec 16 17:37
schestowitz Yikes. Thanks. Dec 16 17:38
schestowitz Please do tell me about typos, or else they can never be corrected. :-D Dec 16 17:43
schestowitz What..? Brady Forrest used to work at Microsoft? http://radar.oreilly.com/2008/12/my-netb… And now he’s throwing dirt at Linux.. Dec 16 18:25
schestowitz Hmmm… maybe he’s not bashing it actually, but it’s still interesting to see O’Reilly/Microsoft connections. Dec 16 18:27
neighborlee Omar87, maybe they will have to lower cost of 360 again LOL Dec 16 18:28
neighborlee its already the lowest of them all and selling the least o_0 Dec 16 18:28
neighborlee nintendo is really wiping them all atm,,, Dec 16 18:28
neighborlee my friend who got her wii for xmas,,can’t find a wiifit and her father gave her enough to get both :) Dec 16 18:29
neighborlee whew ;) Dec 16 18:29
schestowitz Microsoft was going to buy Nintendo Dec 16 18:30
schestowitz INNOVA~1 by acquisition Dec 16 18:30
neighborlee hahah Dec 16 18:32
neighborlee I dont think they have enough money ;) Dec 16 18:33
Omar87 http://omarsdaydreams.blogspot.com/2008/1… Dec 16 18:33
neighborlee schestowitz, but yeah typical M$ Dec 16 18:33
Omar87 Read my new blog post. :) Dec 16 18:34
Omar87 And please, don’t hesitate to notify about any typos or suggested adjustments. Dec 16 18:36
Omar87 to notify *me*… Dec 16 18:36
schestowitz Heh. “poisonware” Dec 16 18:36
Omar87 schestowitz:  I didn’t find any better expression. :) Dec 16 18:37
Omar87 If you can think of anyone, please enlighten me. Dec 16 18:38
schestowitz ic.. http://omarsdaydreams.blogspot.co… “Microsoft is playing catch up in a lot of areas. MS has the marketing, money, and the ability to “dump”, without legal prosecution, to a lot of the areas where GNU/Linux can so easily maneuver, but it’s increasingly having to change its product to compete. It’s continually playing catch up.” Dec 16 18:39
Omar87 That’s right. Dec 16 18:40
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Omar87 Even MS fans admit this. My colleagues clearly seemed like a good example. Dec 16 18:41
schestowitz BN in PCWorld: http://www.pcworld.com/artic… Dec 16 18:41
Omar87 If only you saw the look in his eyes, would’ve noticed that he’s contradicting himself. Dec 16 18:42
schestowitz Squinting? Dec 16 18:43
schestowitz Good news for Linux: http://www.pcworld.com/article/155553/ma… (no news PC = no chance or running anything but Linux… or Windows) Dec 16 18:46
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Omar87 Not really, but it’s more like no single word he said made sense to me at all. Dec 16 18:50
Omar87 http://www.fsdaily.com/Community/O… Dec 16 18:52
Omar87 What do you think of my conclusion? Dec 16 18:54
schestowitz Voted them up. Microsoft has a bully complex Dec 16 18:54
schestowitz It know GNU/Linux is better, so it’s abusing it and tries to make it do all the homework Dec 16 18:55
schestowitz It also threatens to beat it up (sue it) and it shows its fist (patents). Dec 16 18:55
schestowitz The BBC associated the Blue E with the flaw for a change… not just with the ‘Internet thingie’… http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/t… Dec 16 19:03
schestowitz Congrats to Michael.. http://www.phoronix.com/scan.p… … his home is becoming a warehouse of freebies, I’m afraid.. Dec 16 19:08
schestowitz http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/how… Dec 16 19:15
schestowitz ” For much of my life, the name Bernie Madoff has meant nothing to me. Now, however, it means far more than it should in my household and countless others across America. In my household, the net effect of the Madoff scheme is that my wife has lost all the money in her 401(k) account and her job as well.” Dec 16 19:15
schestowitz “Commentary: Wife’s job, entire 401(k) disappear along with a good cause” White-collar crime… far more serious than most things, bat atomic weapons and destruction of the environment. Dec 16 19:16
schestowitz *bar Dec 16 19:16
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seller_liar I was thinking Dec 16 19:17
seller_liar M$ can use mono code someday Dec 16 19:17
seller_liar If mono surpasses .net  framework  ,then m$ can integrate mono code for better compatibily and spped Dec 16 19:18
schestowitz More on FraudStreet Journal: The made-up dramas of the Wall Street Journal < http://lessig.org/blog/2008/12/th… > Dec 16 19:18
schestowitz seller_liar: yes, that too. They have many possibilities Dec 16 19:19
schestowitz First they need to embrace. Dec 16 19:19
MinceR (animated) http://www.boingboing.net/images/x_20… Dec 16 19:19
seller_liar mono gives a LOT of interoperability for m$ Dec 16 19:19
seller_liar it’s easy to port mono apps (mainly gnu linux apps) to windows Dec 16 19:19
schestowitz Theri own rules. Dec 16 19:20
seller_liar the same style of eclipse for linux and eclipse for windows Dec 16 19:20
seller_liar Remember , mono apps = m$ apps Dec 16 19:21
schestowitz For Linux there’s junk Dec 16 19:21
schestowitz MonoDevelop Dec 16 19:21
seller_liar and people will prefer m$ because m$ is the default Dec 16 19:21
schestowitz Visual Studio is only for the ‘elites’ that don’t use that “Lunix thing” Dec 16 19:21
seller_liar monodevelop try to mimic Visual studio Dec 16 19:21
seller_liar mono will be the free apache foundation Dec 16 19:22
seller_liar there’s no need to pay 100k to better windows Dec 16 19:22
seller_liar apps Dec 16 19:22
schestowitz Visual Studio has patents. Dec 16 19:24
schestowitz Read http://boycottnovell.com/2008/11… Dec 16 19:25
seller_liar this is more problem for GNU Linux Dec 16 19:25
seller_liar But the real  problem is better apps for windows at cost of linux apps Dec 16 19:26
schestowitz The dollar has just collapsed. Dec 16 19:27
schestowitz got a phonecall Dec 16 19:27
*benJIman uses both Visual Studio and Linux, thus disproving your statement. Dec 16 19:33
Omar87 two more votes will bring my post to the front page, your support will is appreciated. http://www.fsdaily.com/Community/Open_… Dec 16 19:33
Omar87 benJIman: And you feel proud of that? Dec 16 19:34
MinceR benJIman: but you use Microsoft Linux, don’t you? Dec 16 19:34
schestowitz benJIman: native. Dec 16 19:34
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wispy hey roy, you here?? Dec 16 19:40
schestowitz Yes, what’s up? Dec 16 19:41
wispy happy birthday!  :) Dec 16 19:41
wispy tomorrow, i know Dec 16 19:41
schestowitz How did you know? Dec 16 19:41
wispy but im leaving school today and can’t go online (vacation) Dec 16 19:41
wispy you said on your homepage Dec 16 19:41
schestowitz Oh, thanks for the greeting. Dec 16 19:41
twitter “***benJIman uses both Visual Studio and Linux, thus disproving your statement.” LOL, you can blow dry your hair with a 9mm, that won’t make it a good idea. Dec 16 19:41
wispy haha you’re welcome ;) Dec 16 19:41
MinceR actually it would be a good idea for some Dec 16 19:41
schestowitz wispy: yeah, my site says it somewhere.. probably some page I wrote many years ago Dec 16 19:41
MinceR the gene pool could use some cleaning Dec 16 19:41
schestowitz *LOL* 2 MinceR Dec 16 19:42
wispy it’s a cool homepage, you seem very cool :) Dec 16 19:42
schestowitz I headly touch that site anymore. Dec 16 19:42
schestowitz *hardly Dec 16 19:42
wispy yes, you have been busy with this one :D Dec 16 19:43
wispy i used to have an expage, now that site is gone :( Dec 16 19:43
wispy made it when i was in middle school Dec 16 19:43
schestowitz That’s the danger of stupid ‘clouds’ Dec 16 19:44
schestowitz “We’re sorry… Madoffocker hd our business shut down… goodbye… to your docs and site too” Dec 16 19:44
wispy i will never put my data on another company’s server Dec 16 19:44
schestowitz I had some on Geocities Dec 16 19:44
wispy i will always rely on personal storage Dec 16 19:44
wispy geocities awesome Dec 16 19:45
schestowitz Microsoft seems unlikely to touch that part of Yahoo nows. Dec 16 19:45
schestowitz http://www.theregister.co… (China ‘bans’ BBC’s Chinese website) Dec 16 19:45
schestowitz The Bushniks seem to be attacking Web neutrality now too Dec 16 19:45
wispy yahoo had a crazy year lol Dec 16 19:45
wispy net neutrality FTW Dec 16 19:45
schestowitz http://www.eff.org/deeplinks/20… UK also: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/12/16/… Dec 16 19:45
schestowitz It’s not neutrality… it’s prelude to more censorship Dec 16 19:46
wispy that Dec 16 19:46
wispy that’s too bad Dec 16 19:46
schestowitz Certain sites will be throttled… indefinitely… like in Australia (Conroy the fascist) Dec 16 19:46
wispy reminds me of france sort of Dec 16 19:47
wispy 3 strikes rule Dec 16 19:47
schestowitz 3 strike and Sako’s out?? Dec 16 19:47
schestowitz *Sarko Dec 16 19:47
wispy lmao! Dec 16 19:47
seller_liar schestowitz: this is very strange Dec 16 19:48
schestowitz Did you read the VB stuff? Dec 16 19:48
seller_liar not only in aus ,but in Uk and sometimes in Brazil too Dec 16 19:48
schestowitz The link I gave you explains about VS patents… Dec 16 19:48
seller_liar schestowitz: I know Dec 16 19:48
schestowitz Censorship? Whicd sites? Dec 16 19:48
seller_liar But I ‘m talking about censorship Dec 16 19:48
seller_liar This is probably LOBBY Dec 16 19:49
schestowitz There’s always a lobby Dec 16 19:50
schestowitz There are many Dec 16 19:50
seller_liar This is Not the gov Dec 16 19:50
schestowitz Where the crooks smell money, they would do anything to make an impact Dec 16 19:50
schestowitz ISPs too Dec 16 19:50
seller_liar but this is very sad  is people to protest against the govt Dec 16 19:50
schestowitz Some companies will block or throttle for partners. Dec 16 19:50
seller_liar protest against govt is a wrong target Dec 16 19:50
schestowitz Like remove OOo mirror (real story) or throttle Web-based services of competitors. Dec 16 19:51
seller_liar in this case Dec 16 19:51
seller_liar yes Dec 16 19:51
seller_liar In Holland for example, people protest against the govt Dec 16 19:51
seller_liar but this is a very stupid act Dec 16 19:51
schestowitz They do? Dec 16 19:51
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schestowitz Well, the government is controlled by other bodies. Dec 16 19:51
schestowitz This is not something that you learn in a ‘corruption’ degree but only from experience. Dec 16 19:52
seller_liar but corruption and lobby reigns Dec 16 19:52
seller_liar for example Dec 16 19:52
schestowitz It’s true and provable that the fabric of any government is just a compsition of companies that can afford a chip Dec 16 19:52
seller_liar There are a lot of govt entities which owns companies Dec 16 19:52
schestowitz Or offer a franchise. Dec 16 19:52
seller_liar and then ,this entites try to gain advantage over laws Dec 16 19:53
wispy Roy, i’ll see you later!  I’ll be gone on vacation this winter break and will be offline on and off for a while. Dec 16 19:53
wispy enjoy yourself, birthday boy!  ;) Dec 16 19:53
seller_liar happy birthay roy Dec 16 19:53
schestowitz Thanks, wispy Dec 16 19:54
wispy i’ll miss you and the site :) Dec 16 19:54
wispy you’re welcome! Dec 16 19:54
schestowitz Have fun. Dec 16 19:54
wispy thanks :) Dec 16 19:54
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schestowitz IE fix: FF 3.0 http://www.techflash.com/microsoft/IE_flaw_pr… Dec 16 20:01
seller_liar and because is better to use a free browser respect user privacity Dec 16 20:04
seller_liar to change for opera for example is not a good thing Dec 16 20:04
seller_liar but change for firefox or another free browser is a good thing Dec 16 20:05
seller_liar privacity requires freedom Dec 16 20:05
schestowitz Maureen O’Gara is peddling “Microsoft Dabbles in Open Source” Dec 16 20:05
schestowitz Microsoft is finding a lot of moles to ‘forcefeed’ themselves on the FOSS community. Dec 16 20:05
schestowitz seller_liar: I deliberately ignore everything Opera, until they decide that it’s okay to show and share the source.. and the sky is not falling. Dec 16 20:06
schestowitz I tried Opera in 2003. I was very good back then. But then came Firefox. Dec 16 20:07
seller_liar Because people uses the argument ” opera is open standart “ Dec 16 20:07
seller_liar But I say ” but it’s not free and private things requires freedom” Dec 16 20:08
seller_liar Sometimes it’s need to explains these things for defend against trolls Dec 16 20:08
seller_liar some people does not like firefox and then uses these arguments Dec 16 20:10
seller_liar “use opera , it open” Dec 16 20:10
schestowitz I know, I know… Dec 16 20:11
schestowitz That’s what Opera says too. Dec 16 20:11
schestowitz Hakom (??) sayd standards are more important than code. Dec 16 20:11
schestowitz Then again, should it not be ASSUMED that standards are met? (well, not with Microsoft) Dec 16 20:12
schestowitz Has anyone formally petitioned Opera? Dec 16 20:12
seller_liar I do not know Dec 16 20:12
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schestowitz http://news.cnet.com/8300-1023_3-93.html?key… “Former Vodafone chief Arun Sarin reportedly is withdrawing his name from the Yahoo CEO search, in part due to the uncertainty whether the Internet search pioneer will be broken up and sold, according to a report in the Financial Times.” Dec 16 20:21
schestowitz MOG on Android (smear); “Of course it’s only produced one phone so far, the iPhone’s leagues ahead, and the crummy economy is expected to hurt even cell phone sales, but this is a matter of covering multiple bets and seeing what shakes out.” Dec 16 20:24
schestowitz “DW: The number of bankruptcies of what previously had been household name companies will continue to soar. The current purchasing paralysis will expose those organizations with marginal business plans. “ Dec 16 20:46
schestowitz “Those that struggled to succeed over the past five years (relatively robust economy compared to the current situation) coupled with those that sought unrealistic returns at any cost — will fail. Some will be salvaged through reorganization (GM? Ford? etc…), some will be acquired for pennies on the dollar, and some will cease to exist.” http://asterisk.tmcnet.com/topics/asterisk/article… Dec 16 20:46
schestowitz dham.htm Dec 16 20:46
schestowitz Oops . Truncation. http://asterisk.tmcnet.com/topics/asterisk… Dec 16 20:46
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schestowitz Potential anti-FOSS law: http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/064/10… Dec 16 20:58
schestowitz …German Government Urged to Force People to Use Binaries or Die… Dec 16 20:59
schestowitz Maureen O’Gara attacks GNU for suing a GPL violator. Surprise, surprise. Dec 16 21:01
schestowitz Wedding Crashers In Spain Actually The Copyright Cops < Wedding Crashers In Spain Actually The Copyright Cops > Dec 16 21:06
schestowitz http://techdirt.com/articles/20081… Dec 16 21:06
schestowitz Bush sneaks through host of laws to undermine Obama < http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/dec/14/… > Dec 16 21:10
schestowitz ONION: Supreme Court Overturns Bush v. Gore < http://www.theonion.com/content/news/s… > Dec 16 21:11
schestowitz http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technol… “Users of the world’s most common web browser have been advised to switch to another browser until a serious security flaw has been fixed.” Dec 16 21:15
schestowitz Another trolltistics post:  http://www.ultimalinux.com/marketshare/ It’s based on bullishit data. Let’s link to truthful things, so as not to reinforce the big lies. http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/2008/07/is_l… Dec 16 21:28
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schestowitz New old stupidity about standardising on Ubutnu…..http://www.workswithu.com/2008/12/15/one-l… .. LinuxCanuck leaves a decent comment. Dec 16 22:09
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