01.06.09

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IRC: #boycottnovell @ FreeNode: January 5th, 2009

Posted in IRC Logs at 4:58 am by Dr. Roy Schestowitz

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schestowitz	http://blogs.zdnet.com/Murphy/?p=1333 “According to techcrunch.com about 115,000 IT workers have been laid off by American companies since the August polls made it clear that the people who brought us the sub-prime crisis, the Detroit meltdown, and four dollar gas would sweep the trifecta to gain control of the legislative, executive, and judiciary branches of the American government. “	Jan 05 00:40
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schestowitz	“For the third year running the Institute of Electrical and Electronics Engineers (IEEE) has ranked companies in different sectors to estimate the power that these companies have, based upon their patent portfolio. Unsurprisingly, Microsoft came top in the “Computer Software” category and IBM tops the “Computer Systems” chart. ” http://www.heise-online.co.uk/open/IEEE-ran…	Jan 05 00:43
tessier_	I don’t really know many IT workers who have been laid off around here.	Jan 05 00:49
tessier_	In fact, I need to hire a couple of people.	Jan 05 00:49
tessier_	But I have a feeling they may be hard to find.	Jan 05 00:49
schestowitz	What skillz	Jan 05 00:50
tessier_	Someone who likes FLOSS, knows at least the basics of Linux, and some programming basics, and has enthusiasm for the job…	Jan 05 00:50
schestowitz	That wouldn’t be those emitted out of MS	Jan 05 00:50
tessier_	I’m still thinking about the job description. Fairly varied skills. I’m thinking I need two people. And another in the future. I’m hoping that the future one will be a Plone expert.	Jan 05 00:50
tessier_	But that is quite hard to find. I’m working on becoming one myself but have a very long way to go. Will probably have to hire someone else before I get to that point myself. And even then will still need help.	Jan 05 00:51
schestowitz	Isn’t Plone a bit neglected now?	Jan 05 00:51
schestowitz	Like Zope?	Jan 05 00:51
tessier_	Just because of the amount of work.	Jan 05 00:51
schestowitz	I mean, govts still use it.	Jan 05 00:51
tessier_	neglected? No, they are both very actively developed.	Jan 05 00:51
tessier_	They are both growing quickly and are excellent competitors to MS Sharepoint.	Jan 05 00:51
schestowitz	There’s a conference and branch/fork for the purpose and your sites runs it too	Jan 05 00:51
tessier_	Plone is a CMS for Zope.	Jan 05 00:51
schestowitz	Oh	Jan 05 00:52
tessier_	So they are practically the same thing.	Jan 05 00:52
schestowitz	I don’t know them intimately	Jan 05 00:52
tessier_	I know them both pretty well from a user/admin point of view. I’m working on learning to be a developer.	Jan 05 00:52
tessier_	I have set up a couple different company intranets using it. Very nice.	Jan 05 00:52
schestowitz	For Plone?	Jan 05 00:52
tessier_	Yes.	Jan 05 00:52
schestowitz	It reminds me of Moodle	Jan 05 00:52
schestowitz	Or Sakai even	Jan 05 00:52
tessier_	WebDAV is a great replacement for windows file sharing.	Jan 05 00:52
schestowitz	Govts give back, like unis	Jan 05 00:52
tessier_	Don’t need a VPN, all standard HTTP based, etc.	Jan 05 00:53
schestowitz	We had Zope at Manchester Computing	Jan 05 00:53
schestowitz	I worked there for many years and resigned in 2006	Jan 05 00:53
schestowitz	I actually did a lot of my thesis whilst working there (paid)	Jan 05 00:53
schestowitz	Alfresco competes with MS SharePoint too. I never tried it though.	Jan 05 00:54
schestowitz	I suppose you also deploy Asterisk in San Diego, right?	Jan 05 00:54
schestowitz	Their d/l numbers rose by 50% in the past year	Jan 05 00:54
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schestowitz	There is healthy demand for F/OSS ATM, but that comes at the expense of those who hunt for monolithic ‘boxed’ solutions(R). Developers try to monetise in FOSS, but services collect.. just look at Digium versus the Asterisk ‘leeches’.	Jan 05 00:59
tessier_	schestowitz: Yes.	Jan 05 01:00
tessier_	schestowitz: leeches?	Jan 05 01:00
tessier_	I haven’t deployed any asterisk in SD in quite a while though. It’s rather tricky. I haven’t decided whether I want to continue to be in that business or not.	Jan 05 01:01
tessier_	Architectural problems with asterisk, lots of other people already doing it (Although the market penetration is miniscule so there is still tons of opportunity) and risk.	Jan 05 01:01
tessier_	It bugs me that Asterisk is all written in C and is not very modular. I wish I understood SIP better and could make my own PBX using some higher level language. But I can’t justify spending months or years doing that and not making any money. So I get to deploy asterisk in the meantime if I want to be in the phone business.	Jan 05 01:02
schestowitz	Digium has other companies use its work without bringing much back	Jan 05 01:02
tessier_	I am seriously thinking about offering a whole virtual-office package. Plone for intranet/file serving/content management, Asterisk for phones, etc.	Jan 05 01:03
tessier_	Yeah, and I’m one of them as long as I’m deploying asterisk.	Jan 05 01:03
schestowitz	FreeSwitch tries to also overcome some limitations found in Asterisk	Jan 05 01:03
tessier_	The problem is they don’t make it so easy to give back and it’s hard to give back because telephony is very complicated.	Jan 05 01:03
tessier_	FreeSwitch is all C also IIRC.	Jan 05 01:03
schestowitz	> I am seriously thinking about offering a whole virtual-office package	Jan 05 01:03
schestowitz	That’s done already	Jan 05 01:03
tessier_	Sure, you need C for performance in the compression routines etc but for the general call flow logic etc. you don’t.	Jan 05 01:04
schestowitz	‘Appliances’ with FOSS… some Tivoized… Eeek	Jan 05 01:04
tessier_	Everything has been done already.	Jan 05 01:04
tessier_	Should I just go Amish?	Jan 05 01:04
tessier_	Most places at this point will never be able to deploy FOSS because they don’t have the skills.	Jan 05 01:04
schestowitz	tessier: there was a discussion about C vs. OOP in BN today	Jan 05 01:04
schestowitz	http://boycottnovell.com/2009/01/04/mono-imitat…	Jan 05 01:05
tessier_	I’m not fan of tivoizing the appliances but I don’t have a problem with packaging and reselling FOSS.	Jan 05 01:05
schestowitz	\Yes, that happens	Jan 05 01:05
tessier_	I’m not concerned about the C vs OOP debate. I’m just concerned about using C which is prone to segfaults and buffer overflows in something like a PBX.	Jan 05 01:05
schestowitz	I lobbied for WordPress to move to GPLv3	Jan 05 01:05
tessier_	They have already had security and reliability problems because of it.	Jan 05 01:05
schestowitz	Then Alex King came up with the argument about Vivoizing it.	Jan 05 01:05
tessier_	Ericsson is on the right track in using Erlang in their systems.	Jan 05 01:06
tessier_	And C only for the low level device drivers and high performance stuff like compression codecs.	Jan 05 01:06
schestowitz	tessier: there was a massive Asterisk issue a while ago	Jan 05 01:06
tessier_	Yep	Jan 05 01:06
schestowitz	Old versions were affecfed.. call-jacking	Jan 05 01:06
tessier_	And some day someone will figure out how to exploit it and use asterisk boxes to route their calls costing people tons of money.	Jan 05 01:06
tessier_	That’s one thing I like about telephony. Security problems can cost people real money.	Jan 05 01:07
schestowitz	That sort of happened	Jan 05 01:07
schestowitz	Yes	Jan 05 01:07
schestowitz	ISPs also	Jan 05 01:07
tessier_	It makes people finally pay attention to security.	Jan 05 01:07
schestowitz	Assuming limited bnandwidth	Jan 05 01:07
tessier_	ISP’s just pass the cost on to customers and do things like restrict servers and block port 25 etc.	Jan 05 01:07
schestowitz	Ba account breaches also	Jan 05 01:07
tessier_	They don’t really put any pressure on the customers or MS to improve security.	Jan 05 01:07
schestowitz	It’s soaring and will get worse next year as cybercrime really takes off.	Jan 05 01:07
tessier_	Unfortunately banks just pass the costs on as well.	Jan 05 01:07
schestowitz	I wonder how many banks will ponder knowing down their on-line access cause of it	Jan 05 01:08
tessier_	Hopefully it will reach a point where someone decides to take action.	Jan 05 01:08
schestowitz	Or require access via live cds	Jan 05 01:08
tessier_	When I get an account with a bank I should be given a CD with a key on it.	Jan 05 01:08
tessier_	Live CD isn’t a bad idea.	Jan 05 01:08
tessier_	It’s probably one of the few ways to prevent malware from spying your keyboard.	Jan 05 01:08
tessier_	Unfortunately it would make online banking unusable for most people.	Jan 05 01:08
schestowitz	There are insuurance companies for cars that exclude certain people	Jan 05 01:08
schestowitz	Like women-only insurance	Jan 05 01:09
tessier_	And the live CD would have to support all of the hardware/drivers/wireless/etc. So far impossible.	Jan 05 01:09
tessier_	Interesting.	Jan 05 01:09
schestowitz	So how about non-Windows online banks?	Jan 05 01:09
schestowitz	The Live CD approach was taken seriously in Aussie.	Jan 05 01:09
tessier_	I think you would have a hard time finding enough customers.	Jan 05 01:09
schestowitz	They also handed out Linux-powered Eees in Canada	Jan 05 01:09
tessier_	schestowitz: What do you know about domain registrars? Any particular ones you can recommend?	Jan 05 01:09
tessier_	I’ve been with godaddy for years and I am finally getting really sick of their horrible web interface. I bet they have other policies I don’t like as well.	Jan 05 01:10
schestowitz	Not GoDaddy	Jan 05 01:10
schestowitz	Bad company	Jan 05 01:10
schestowitz	I registered mine through my host	Jan 05 01:10
tessier_	I’m considering gandi. I’m not sure if it is a problem that they are in France or not. Their support so far has been good. I am moving a couple of domains over there.	Jan 05 01:10
schestowitz	It reminds me to renew, so that’s off my mental burdens	Jan 05 01:10
tessier_	Thinking about moving them all if I like what I see from these test domains.	Jan 05 01:10
tessier_	godaddy never fails to remind me to renew.	Jan 05 01:10
tessier_	But the constant upsells and hard to navigate interface is horrendous.	Jan 05 01:11
schestowitz	Registration is cheap	Jan 05 01:11
schestowitz	If it ain’t broken..	Jan 05 01:11
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tessier_	Who is your host?	Jan 05 01:11
tessier_	I kinda wish I could do all of my domain stuff via GPG through email.	Jan 05 01:11
tessier_	Used to be able to do that with internic.	Jan 05 01:12
tessier_	I don’t know if anyone does that anymore.	Jan 05 01:12
schestowitz	Catalyst2	Jan 05 01:12
schestowitz	Renewals are 2 clicks away.	Jan 05 01:12
schestowitz	It registers credit card details, then mails you a link	Jan 05 01:13
schestowitz	.Clicks are so few it makes you wonder if it’s secure (cookie-based)	Jan 05 01:13
*tessier_ wonders if there would be any interest in a GPG’d email only secured registrar		Jan 05 01:13
tessier_	Or if such a thing exists yet.	Jan 05 01:13
schestowitz	Nobody uses GPG	Jan 05 01:14
tessier_	I doubt it would be worth it though. So many registrars are out there and hardly anyone cares about security.	Jan 05 01:14
tessier_	They should.	Jan 05 01:14
tessier_	I do.	Jan 05 01:14
schestowitz	I only use it with 3-5 people.	Jan 05 01:14
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schestowitz	People are negligent	Jan 05 01:14
tessier_	So you use it too. And so do those 3-5 people.	Jan 05 01:14
tessier_	Not everyone. People like you and I generally aren’t.	Jan 05 01:14
schestowitz	It’s too easy to pretext	Jan 05 01:14
tessier_	So that’s not nobody	Jan 05 01:14
tessier_	GPG is easy to pretext?	Jan 05 01:15
schestowitz	No, opposite rather	Jan 05 01:15
schestowitz	E-mail is too vulnerable to pulling of infromation, sometimes p/w	Jan 05 01:15
tessier_	But what about GPG signed email?	Jan 05 01:15
tessier_	I wish Thunderbird would ship the enigma program by default and nicely integrate it.	Jan 05 01:16
tessier_	It is very easy to use.	Jan 05 01:16
schestowitz	Yes, I know, but..	Jan 05 01:17
schestowitz	Don’t the users need to install a peripheral program to enable it?	Jan 05 01:17
schestowitz	I only use GNU/Linux, so I don’t have the experience with GPG on other platforms	Jan 05 01:17
schestowitz	I once met the developer of enigmail.	Jan 05 01:18
tessier_	This is why I said Thunderbird should come with enigma by default.	Jan 05 01:18
tessier_	Social networking is very popular with everyone wanting to make links etc.	Jan 05 01:18
tessier_	Seems like if you put the right spin on it people would enjoy having making links with people by having their GPG keys signed which would happen automatically if you tell it that so-and-so is your friend.	Jan 05 01:19
schestowitz	Spinwatch: “Tech Jobs May Increase Despite Economic Trends [...] While 853,000 U.S. jobs in all industries were lost in October and November, 9,000 were gained in the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics categories of “Computer Systems Design and Related Services” and “Management and Technical Consulting Services,” said Foote.” http://www.pcworld.com/article/156283/tech_jo…	Jan 05 01:19
tessier_	Purists will say that people will be friends and accept signatures with anyone and this is true. But finally we have a way to hold people accountable for their errors because we will be able to see exactly who “friended” (signed) who so we know who is the douchebag.	Jan 05 01:19
schestowitz	tessier: yes, it should, BUT	Jan 05 01:19
schestowitz	Remember what audience TB targets	Jan 05 01:20
schestowitz	It needs to stay lean and simple by default; same with FF	Jan 05 01:20
tessier_	Ultimately TB targets everyone.	Jan 05 01:20
schestowitz	Yes, but it needs to stay simple	Jan 05 01:20
schestowitz	Installation is a drag and drop thing.	Jan 05 01:20
tessier_	They are both far from that. Adding something important like GPG support won’t make much difference.	Jan 05 01:20
schestowitz	Or menu exercise	Jan 05 01:20
tessier_	And it would remain a drag and drop thing.	Jan 05 01:20
schestowitz	How many people use TB anyway?	Jan 05 01:21
tessier_	I don’t know. A huge portion of Linux users.	Jan 05 01:21
schestowitz	I know it’s a lot more than realised (100 million, IIRC?), but it’s not enouh for universality	Jan 05 01:21
tessier_	You don’t need universality.	Jan 05 01:21
schestowitz	MS won’t support it; it’s too open and decentralised	Jan 05 01:21
schestowitz	Kmail comes with GPG	Jan 05 01:22
tessier_	Just enable signing by default and make it generate a key when installed. Voila.	Jan 05 01:22
schestowitz	In fact, KDE has it on by default (3.x)	Jan 05 01:22
tessier_	The user need know nothing more about it unless they want to.	Jan 05 01:22
schestowitz	On Windows machines, GPG would lose validity	Jan 05 01:22
tessier_	MS has been sending HTML and vcards and all kinds of nonsense by default and nobody seems to care. So if these little GPG attachments start to show up nobody will care unless it activates functionality in their email program.	Jan 05 01:22
tessier_	Lose validity? How so?	Jan 05 01:23
schestowitz	With 40% of them being zombies, sooner or later you have cracker party on PGP servers	Jan 05 01:23
tessier_	If something bad happens as a result of a bad signature you will be able to find out who is the zombie and do something about it.	Jan 05 01:23
tessier_	That currently isn’t the case.	Jan 05 01:23
*schestowitz thinks he should start pgp-signing his comments in blogs		Jan 05 01:23
tessier_	More than ever we need PKI.	Jan 05 01:23
schestowitz	Problem is.. nobody (almost) knows how to check this or has the tools to do this	Jan 05 01:24
tessier_	Social networking sites have these huge web of trust systems but without any PKI. It’s a huge waste.	Jan 05 01:24
tessier_	It should be automatic in your software as it already is with Thunderbird/Enigmail.	Jan 05 01:24
schestowitz	So other than being able to tell the court, “look, I didn’t write this because..”, well… I don’t know how useful that ‘cruft’ would be.	Jan 05 01:25
tessier_	MS is great at making things easy enough for the average dope to use.	Jan 05 01:25
tessier_	It wouldn’t be all that useful in court.	Jan 05 01:25
schestowitz	Doubtful	Jan 05 01:25
schestowitz	Press Start to shut down?	Jan 05 01:25
tessier_	Non-repudiation isn’t really possible.	Jan 05 01:25
tessier_	I have never met anyone who didn’t know how to shut down their machine.	Jan 05 01:25
tessier_	We like to make fun of “press start” but it works.	Jan 05 01:25
schestowitz	tessier: they might fumble	Jan 05 01:25
tessier_	fumble?	Jan 05 01:26
schestowitz	Remember that Microsoft provides state-funded Winfdows /training/	Jan 05 01:26
schestowitz	They call it “computer skills”	Jan 05 01:26
tessier_	Not sure what that has to do with the issue at hand.	Jan 05 01:27
schestowitz	Windows/MS being easy	Jan 05 01:27
schestowitz	Apple is better known for it… even Ubuntu in the *nix world	Jan 05 01:27
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tessier_	I think they are all pretty easy as lots of people manage to learn to use the systems.	Jan 05 01:33
tessier_	Most people are still far from professionals who can run their systems reliably but they have come a long way.	Jan 05 01:33
tessier_	But I think Amiga or Be or anyone interested in making systems for end users could have accomplished similar results. It isn’t a special Apple or Microsoft thing. But they have made computers easy to use.	Jan 05 01:34
schestowitz	Microsoft harps about R&D	Jan 05 01:35
schestowitz	It makes it sound good	Jan 05 01:35
schestowitz	“We spent $6 on Vista blah blah..”	Jan 05 01:35
schestowitz	*billiob	Jan 05 01:35
schestowitz	Heh. The cost of DRM… like the Auckland paper says	Jan 05 01:36
tessier_	They do quite a bit of R&D.	Jan 05 01:36
tessier_	Unfortunately most of it is on crappy proprietary lock-in technologies like Vista and DRM.	Jan 05 01:36
tessier_	But some of it is stuff like Haskell (which benefits F#) and Singularity (which is still proprietary lock-in crap but better than Vista technology-wise)	Jan 05 01:37
schestowitz	I’m too tired (2AM). Catch you tomorr	Jan 05 01:47
schestowitz	ow	Jan 05 01:47
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tessier_	‘night	Jan 05 01:50
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Omar87	http://palestinethinktank.com/2009/01/0…	Jan 05 06:32
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schestowitz	Thanks, Omar87. Let’s stick to technology for now.	Jan 05 08:38
schestowitz	Omar87: these are very important issues, don’t get more wrong. There are bigger affairs at play.	Jan 05 08:52
schestowitz	It’s more than just this region. They come together and decide how to move things the way /they/ want (like the deceitful thing that’s called “globalisation”, which is a deceiving term). The aspiration is still to use aggression and lies to increase just power and wealth and this leads to arms races that jeopardise human kind. But let’s stick to technology here.	Jan 05 08:52
MinceR	geekings	Jan 05 08:52
schestowitz	“Sales of music albums fell in 2008 as more fans went online to buy single copies of their favorite songs.” < http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/sfg… >	Jan 05 08:57
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tessier	schestowitz: Yet most of them still paid 99 cents per song which is pretty much the same per-song price as a CD despite the vastly lower production and distribution costs.	Jan 05 09:23
schestowitz	They at least don’t play for “fill”	Jan 05 09:25
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tessier	Indeed	Jan 05 09:28
schestowitz	*pay	Jan 05 09:32
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schestowitz	Yuck: http://www.cs.manchester.ac.uk/aboutus/news/…	Jan 05 10:55
schestowitz	On the other hand: http://www.cs.manchester.ac.uk/aboutus/ev…	Jan 05 10:55
schestowitz	He’s a nice guy.. good speaker	Jan 05 10:56
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Omar871	schestowitz: Speaking of music, don’t forget that a wide range of people also prefer to get their music from mininova and isohunt (via torrents), which what MAFIAA calls “piracy”.	Jan 05 13:05
Omar871	Hello all.	Jan 05 13:05
schestowitz	Yes, but that too is a risk to them; not just ‘theft’ of their own work but also competition which cannot be ‘stolen’ (copyrights inexistent)	Jan 05 13:06
Omar871	By the way, I’m one of those people.	Jan 05 13:09
Omar871	I stopped buying my music a long time ago.	Jan 05 13:09
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isforinsects	the OLPC MS document was interesting	Jan 05 16:01
schestowitz	I hope to find more.	Jan 05 16:07
schestowitz	It needs to be aligned against press coverage from that time	Jan 05 16:07
schestowitz	Nick N. was talking about BillG receiving a memory card at some stage (maybe 2006), but I can’t recall when precisely.	Jan 05 16:07
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ushimitsudoki	I posted it in a comment on olpcnews and the editor contacted me	Jan 05 16:11
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ushimitsudoki	there will be a couple of stories on it there soon	Jan 05 16:11
schestowitz	Really?	Jan 05 16:12
schestowitz	I tried to find his details.	Jan 05 16:12
schestowitz	I could find contact details.	Jan 05 16:12
schestowitz	But I wanted to give him a headsup	Jan 05 16:12
ushimitsudoki	yeah he wrote one and i submitted one that might be used as well	Jan 05 16:12
schestowitz	What’s the URL?	Jan 05 16:12
ushimitsudoki	<crosses fingers>	Jan 05 16:12
schestowitz	There was a smear about the poor guy	Jan 05 16:12
ushimitsudoki	http://www.olpcnews.com/	Jan 05 16:13
schestowitz	Slashdot tried connecting him with Intel	Jan 05 16:13
schestowitz	I took the bait and after Mary Lou Jespen (spelling?) jumped in, people realised it was false.	Jan 05 16:13
ushimitsudoki	I don’t know – his site reads like pretty straight coverage of the project	Jan 05 16:14
schestowitz	He hasn’t posted about it yet.	Jan 05 16:14
ushimitsudoki	no not yet	Jan 05 16:14
schestowitz	He used to do lots of negative coverage	Jan 05 16:14
schestowitz	So PJ, for example, reckoned it was an anti-OLPC site	Jan 05 16:14
schestowitz	That was before the Rob Malda smear (well, it was attributed for him… for linking to vnunet, IIRC).	Jan 05 16:14
ushimitsudoki	oh? I confess I don’t really follow the OLPC goings-on, but it’s not over-the-top obvious bias at least	Jan 05 16:15
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schestowitz	I didn’t follow the site closely enough to know.	Jan 05 16:16
schestowitz	He linked to boycottnovell in the past	Jan 05 16:16
ushimitsudoki	well then that’s all it takes	Jan 05 16:16
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schestowitz	I’d need to look at your quotes again in the future. I found some ‘new’ material in USENET too	Jan 05 16:18
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ushimitsudoki	cool – i’m still adding them, 1-3 a day i try	Jan 05 16:19
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schestowitz	This guy gets it wrong: “While wondering about Microsoft, Intel and the Vista debacle, it might also be worth keeping in mind that, intentionally or not, Intel was made to look like “the bad guy” in the Vista Home / Vista Capable / Vista Certified mess.” http://community.zdnet.co.uk/blog/0,10…	Jan 05 16:22
trmanco	had some problems everything back to normal now	Jan 05 16:22
schestowitz	Intel IS the bad guy, not just Microsoft. They wanted to sell their junk PCs for revenue and they asked Microsoft to do this.	Jan 05 16:22
schestowitz	trmanco: stormy weather or stormy Ubuntu?	Jan 05 16:23
schestowitz	[or Stormy Peters ]	Jan 05 16:23
schestowitz	New: http://www.tbray.org/ongoing/When/…	Jan 05 16:24
ushimitsudoki	Intel at one point was pretty independent of Microsoft … it would be nice if they could move back in that direction	Jan 05 16:25
schestowitz	They do ry	Jan 05 16:27
schestowitz	try	Jan 05 16:27
schestowitz	Watch the article above, which is about their hiring of Cox. They also put efforts into Linux MIDs and free drivers. I don’t think it outweighs their many crimes though. They use Linux as “Cheap software” to sell lots of hardware, probably in their usual illegal ways that include bribery, extortion, kickbacks and so on and so forth	Jan 05 16:28
trmanco	schestowitz, stormy psybnc	Jan 05 16:30
trmanco	the weather here is nice	Jan 05 16:30
schestowitz	What do you make of this? http://uk.reuters.com/article/govern… ( CES-Freescale chip targets sub-$200 netbook market ). I caught 4 articles about this.	Jan 05 16:34
schestowitz	http://www.heise.de/english/newsticker/news/121153 The Mac thing is “BS”. It’s yet another Linux-only MID/UMPC/sub-notebook	Jan 05 16:36
ushimitsudoki	Blackstone owns Freescale and has ties with MS – to what degree those ties are i am not sure	Jan 05 16:36
schestowitz	Microsoft’s Zune is what arch?	Jan 05 16:37
ushimitsudoki	freescale	Jan 05 16:37
schestowitz	http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=mozclie…	Jan 05 16:37
schestowitz	http://www.livemint.com/2008/12/01220827/Bla… (Blackstone hires former Microsoft India chief)	Jan 05 16:37
schestowitz	I think I brought up this article in IRC… last month.	Jan 05 16:38
schestowitz	I keep track of where the Microsoft people land to cause harm.	Jan 05 16:38
ushimitsudoki	are you sure blackstone technology group is the same as blackstone group, L.P. (which owns freescale)?	Jan 05 16:39
trmanco	http://www.remword.com/kps_result/	Jan 05 16:41
schestowitz	ushimitsudoki: I don’t know. I haven’t checked. My recollections about Zune were correct, but it’s an incarnation of a Toshiba WinCE device	Jan 05 16:43
ushimitsudoki	Yeah, me neither – just raising a flag that it’s conceivable they are two different companies	Jan 05 16:44
schestowitz	WTF? I missed this one: “CNN personality Richard Quest was busted in Central Park early yesterday with some drugs in his pocket, a rope around his neck that was tied to his genitals, and a sex toy in his boot, law-enforcement sources said.” http://www.nypost.com/seven/04192008/news/regiona…	Jan 05 17:05
ushimitsudoki	damn that’s a pretty good night out right there	Jan 05 17:05
schestowitz	I’ve always disliked him, but this is just the slam dunk.	Jan 05 17:06
schestowitz	See the first comment: Microsoft made $1.5 billion from Vista incapable PCs < http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/2… >	Jan 05 17:16
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schestowitz	Open Source Solutions – 2 Years In Review < http://www.federalnewsradio.com/index.p… > BUT… only if you use Windows.	Jan 05 17:26
schestowitz	Open source audiocast… only for Windows Media Player.	Jan 05 17:26
schestowitz	Ed Hurst is like a softer Beranger when it comes to FOSS and it’s still the same: http://www.ofb.biz/safari/article/513.html	Jan 05 17:27
schestowitz	From the news : Pinoy open source firm, MS ink unholy alliance —> The requested URL /INFO20090105144878.html was not found on this server.	Jan 05 17:29
schestowitz	Apache/2.0.54 (Fedora) Server at www.mb.com.ph Port 80	Jan 05 17:29
schestowitz	As usual, it’s the guy who visited Redmond that writes about it (they changed URLs): http://www.mb.com.ph/INFO20090106144878.html	Jan 05 17:30
ushimitsudoki	alright i just got email my olpc story should go up in about an hour … i’ll be in bed by then, but check it out! hooray for my first piece of writing on request!	Jan 05 17:31
schestowitz	Damarillo is there too	Jan 05 17:32
schestowitz	They have FOSS people sell out. What a shameful display	Jan 05 17:32
schestowitz	Congrats, ushimitsudoki	Jan 05 17:32
ushimitsudoki	schestowitz: Thanks! I’m calling it a night … laters	Jan 05 17:32
schestowitz	You can also contribute to BN, to be posted with attribution	Jan 05 17:32
schestowitz	OK, good night	Jan 05 17:33
schestowitz	OpenID lost its big bang, spent December embroiled in internal squabbles < http://www.networkworld.com/newsletters/d… >	Jan 05 17:36
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schestowitz	http://word.truthintheword.org/archives/2459 “Overall, I have not been completely impressed with Ubuntu Server so I think I will begin replacing it on all my sites.” [with Centos]	Jan 05 18:25
schestowitz	On the other hand: Another perfect Intrepid install < http://www.dwasifar.com/?p=334 >	Jan 05 18:27
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schestowitz	A lot of new Linux devices are being announced today..	Jan 05 18:36
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schestowitz	“Palm is poised to make what some analysts are calling its last stand at this week’s Consumer Electronics Show, where it is expected to introduce its long-awaited Linux-based operating system.” http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article….	Jan 05 19:25
MinceR	only the OS, no devices?	Jan 05 19:27
tessier_	What a shame.	Jan 05 19:43
tessier_	I’ve been a Palm fan since the very beginning, around 1995.	Jan 05 19:43
tessier_	I run a palm mailing list and have since 1995.	Jan 05 19:43
tessier_	But it is pretty much dead these days, just like the company.	Jan 05 19:43
schestowitz	They had layoffs 1-2 months ago. I was very active in supporting them back in the days	Jan 05 19:45
MinceR	perhaps Nova will bring them to life again	Jan 05 19:45
schestowitz	They were injected $100 million some weeks ago.	Jan 05 19:45
twitter	good morning, 2pm here.	Jan 05 20:08
twitter	I’m still a Palm fan and still think my Handspring Visor is a practical device.	Jan 05 20:09
twitter	There’s nothing like not needing to change batteries for 4 months.	Jan 05 20:09
MinceR	there’s nothing like not being able to multitask and the pda killing itself after 13 months of use :>	Jan 05 20:10
MinceR	(yet i’m desperate enough to seriously consider their nova-based devices in the future)	Jan 05 20:11
twitter	13 month life?	Jan 05 20:11
MinceR	my palm tungsten e2 died after 13 months	Jan 05 20:11
MinceR	it had 12 months of warranty	Jan 05 20:11
MinceR	then it wouldn’t boot and all it did was flash a bar above the palm logo	Jan 05 20:12
MinceR	s/and/at/	Jan 05 20:12
twitter	My handspring lasted for seven years. It died when I dropped it onto concrete and broke the screen. I replaced the screen from a spare that cost about $5 on ebay.	Jan 05 20:12
MinceR	then again, i don’t like windows mobile either	Jan 05 20:12
MinceR	it fails at basic PIM tasks	Jan 05 20:12
MinceR	alarms randomly break on rebooting and it’s completely unaware of DST and time zones.	Jan 05 20:13
MinceR	also, the today screen breaks randomly and the only way to work around that is rebooting	Jan 05 20:13
twitter	Opie Works OK with my old Zaurus	Jan 05 20:15
twitter	On a newer device, I’d try Angstrum.	Jan 05 20:16
MinceR	on my palm, with the linux image i’ve tried, opie couldn’t get past touchscreen calibration and gpe wouldn’t boot at all	Jan 05 20:16
MinceR	on my qtek 9100, linux supports ends at loading the kernel via haret	Jan 05 20:16
twitter	Ugh, sorry.	Jan 05 20:18
schestowitz	Mine’s been fine since 2004. The older one lasted 2.5 years.	Jan 05 20:19
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MinceR	what models do you have?	Jan 05 20:32
twitter	I carried my handspring all around a nuclear power plant when I first got it. It was good for walkdowns – reminded me of what I needed to look at and kept me from having to type things into logs. I stored more than a year of data and all my contacts in it’s tiny 2MB memory.	Jan 05 20:32
twitter	It was the first Handspring model.	Jan 05 20:33
twitter	I have the Zaurus 550.	Jan 05 20:33
schestowitz	mib_8uhwui: M130 and TT	Jan 05 20:40
schestowitz	Oops, that was @ MinceR	Jan 05 20:40
MinceR	ic	Jan 05 20:40
tessier_	twitter: You work at a nuclear power plant?	Jan 05 20:40
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twitter	I used to.	Jan 05 20:41
MinceR	those are more high-end models than e2, aren’t they?	Jan 05 20:41
MinceR	at least at their time	Jan 05 20:41
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schestowitz	Hi, Tallken	Jan 05 21:00
Tallken	hi schestowitz	Jan 05 21:01
schestowitz	I just posted another set of links and I use a new format: http://boycottnovell.com/2009/01/05/freescal… If it’s bad, holler.	Jan 05 21:01
Tallken	won’t read now, but will later	Jan 05 21:02
schestowitz	They’re dropping like flies: “UIQ ‘files for bankruptcy’ in Sweden” < http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/01/0… >	Jan 05 21:10
schestowitz	Obama may militarise NASA to save money < http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/01/… >	Jan 05 21:11
twitter	AP and NYT have a new model to rejuvenate themselves. http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeq…	Jan 05 21:12
Tallken	save money?	Jan 05 21:12
*schestowitz looks		Jan 05 21:13
twitter	Yeah, who needs civilian space exploration? Let’s just pool all the decision making at the world’s largest and most efficient office space – the pentagon. That will surely save money.	Jan 05 21:13
schestowitz	Speaking of media companies, Britland is feelin’ the pinch too: ITV to write down Friends Reunited value, says report < http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/01/05/itv_fri… >	Jan 05 21:14
schestowitz	“ITV, whose online revenue slowed in the first nine months of 2008 with income rising six per cent to £25m, will announce its full year results on 4 March. It declined to comment on the write down.”	Jan 05 21:14
twitter	NASA only took 0.000tiny % of the federal budget anyway, so no one will really miss it if it goes away, right?	Jan 05 21:15
Tallken	lol	Jan 05 21:15
schestowitz	NYT: “don’t read us! We’ll shove cr*p at cha”	Jan 05 21:15
Tallken	it’d be a shame if manned operations on space couldn’t be possible until 2015	Jan 05 21:15
twitter	RMS pegged Obama right as a 1970′s republican.	Jan 05 21:15
Tallken	twitter, ?	Jan 05 21:15
schestowitz	It’s like the US going /into/ Iraq to ‘stop’ resentment, despite contrary reports from the CIA	Jan 05 21:15
twitter	?	Jan 05 21:16
schestowitz	‘Solving’ an issue by excalating it	Jan 05 21:16
schestowitz	Hey! We don’t make enough money because of pages suck with obtrusive ads. Solution. Let’s add ad value.	Jan 05 21:16
schestowitz	I /hate/ those sites that make doorway pages to articles	Jan 05 21:17
Tallken	<twitter> RMS pegged Obama right as a 1970′s republican.	Jan 05 21:17
Tallken	?	Jan 05 21:17
schestowitz	That’s why I read several articles in parallel sometimes.	Jan 05 21:17
schestowitz	Tallken: let me find it…	Jan 05 21:17
schestowitz	Someone writes: “This is very interesting, I wonder is there more stuff in comes that hasn’t come out yet. Maybe this is why James Plamondon wants us people dig it up for him.”	Jan 05 21:19
schestowitz	Someone will be contacting the lawyer (‘Susan’) in the Comes case and ask her for access to the records, for research purposes	Jan 05 21:19
schestowitz	I tried Conlin about a year ago, but no reply.	Jan 05 21:19
twitter	RMS on Obama, not friendly at all. http://www.stallman.org/archives/2008-sep-dec.html just search for obama. The 1970′s republican tag shows up here: http://www.stallman.org/archives/2008-sep-… October 2008 (Republicans endorse Obama)	Jan 05 21:20
twitter	“http://www.stallman.org/archives/2008-sep-dec.html#26 October 2008 (Republicans endorse Obama)”	Jan 05 21:20
schestowitz	Bloggers now link directly to James’ writings.	Jan 05 21:20
schestowitz	I see people using the “you’re a shill argument” or “You’re a TE” while linking it it.	Jan 05 21:20
schestowitz	The press totally ignores James’ bean-spilling and even my editor in ‘the press’, whom I contacted about this, prefers not to cover it. This post is part of a series that sheds light on something which, if exposed, will seriously stifle its ability to carry on. It’s like pointing a flashlight at a bug.	Jan 05 21:21
schestowitz	twitter: hehe. Powell endorsed Obama too. It figures. He has Biden in da haus.	Jan 05 21:21
twitter	It is still too early to tell how things will go for Obama’s administration.	Jan 05 21:23
twitter	It’s good that people like RMS point out the bad signs. Obama should know that people who care are watching.	Jan 05 21:24
schestowitz	Yes, he uses the same Cabinet as Clinton	Jan 05 21:24
schestowitz	Not only RMS talks about this.	Jan 05 21:25
twitter	I hope everyone talks about freedom.	Jan 05 21:26
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twitter	Wow, nice link to Slated – calling BillG’s IP law / medicine blackmail to account. Medicines and vaccines would be a lot cheaper if it were not for crazy US patents. Even though the treaties allow for breaking patents to make medicine, few countries do.	Jan 05 21:30
Tallken	I’m honestly surprised to see RMS pointing all those things… Never got to that page until now, didn’t of its existance	Jan 05 21:31
Tallken	*didn’t know	Jan 05 21:31
schestowitz	Microsoft Terminating employee’s to save on severance and press release “layoff”: http://microsoftfires.blogspot.com/	Jan 05 21:32
twitter	RMS covers a lot of issues. It’s a first rate news service.	Jan 05 21:32
Tallken	lol	Jan 05 21:32
schestowitz	Selective though	Jan 05 21:33
schestowitz	He doesn’t review many areas	Jan 05 21:33
schestowitz	But the top big issues are not TERROR~1.	Jan 05 21:33
schestowitz	It’s GLOBAL~1	Jan 05 21:33
schestowitz	And c:\>nuclear~`	Jan 05 21:34
schestowitz	IBM Employees Buzzing About Layoff Rumors < http://www.pcworld.com/article/156329/ibm_empl… >	Jan 05 21:37
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schestowitz	Crime pays: Expert: Microsoft Earned $1.5B From Vista Capable Program > http://www.pcworld.com/article/156330/expert_micro…	Jan 05 21:39
twitter	Only $4.5B left to break even!	Jan 05 21:47
twitter	This is how $60B in cash goes to $0B.	Jan 05 21:47
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schestowitz	4.5? Source?	Jan 05 21:48
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twitter	I’m mocking the reputed $6B price tag of Vista.	Jan 05 21:48
schestowitz	This does not include the colossal loss of some MS execs, Gates included.	Jan 05 21:48
schestowitz	I though 4.5 was their bank balance ATM	Jan 05 21:49
twitter	really?! got a link?	Jan 05 21:49
schestowitz	They announe no new products these days. Just vapourware successors like Vista.1 (Windows 6.1)	Jan 05 21:49
twitter	and layoffs…	Jan 05 21:51
schestowitz	NOVL is down 4% today: http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=novl	Jan 05 21:51
twitter	M$FT managed to climb back over $20 over the last week. That can’t last long.	Jan 05 21:52
schestowitz	http://www.echannelline.com/usa/s… Will the netbook cannibalize the traditional PC market? [Well, it already DOES. Ask the Vole.]	Jan 05 21:53
schestowitz	The whole market was up after New Year’s	Jan 05 21:53
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schestowitz	Ahhh… http://www.thinkgos.com/	Jan 05 22:03
schestowitz	The irony	Jan 05 22:03
MinceR	lol	Jan 05 22:03
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schestowitz	Chrome browser… and they got suckered into a deal of putting Live Search by default in it. Shades of Linspire (the /late/ Linspire)	Jan 05 22:03
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schestowitz	Juvenile comments thread (latest): http://officialgosblog.blogspot.com/200…	Jan 05 22:05
schestowitz	Anonymous said…	Jan 05 22:06
schestowitz	Dude, you’re killing us.	Jan 05 22:06
schestowitz	December 15, 2008 6:03 AM	Jan 05 22:06
schestowitz	Anonymous said…	Jan 05 22:06
schestowitz	pretty please w/ sugar?	Jan 05 22:06
schestowitz	December 15, 2008 11:00 AM	Jan 05 22:06
schestowitz	Anonymous said…	Jan 05 22:06
schestowitz	Download please!!	Jan 05 22:06
schestowitz	December 15, 2008 12:47 PM	Jan 05 22:06
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schestowitz	Good headline: Book Tells How Sony Got Duped by Microsoft < http://www.linuxelectrons.com/news/roundup/1… >	Jan 05 22:09
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schestowitz	We’ve just made the front page of Linux Today.	Jan 05 22:13
schestowitz	osweekly seems to be dead (for two days in a row now). Inactive for a long time, but not even reachable now.	Jan 05 22:15
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schestowitz	Kernel Developers Tracking Down New Year’s Eve Leap Second Issue < http://www.linux-magazine.com/online/news/ker… >	Jan 05 22:24
trmanco	it was only on old kernels	Jan 05 22:28
schestowitz	SJVN: Zune misery mystery solved < http://blogs.computerworld.com/zune_mi… >	Jan 05 22:30
schestowitz	Linux Today links to this thing that looks more like an advert than an article: http://www.isp-planet.com/services/ids…	Jan 05 22:30
schestowitz	The thing is, both Linux Today and this site are from the same network (owner). Sheesh.	Jan 05 22:31
Tallken	lol @ leap second	Jan 05 22:31
Tallken	didn’t know about it, the crashes I mean	Jan 05 22:31
trmanco	my shell server didn’t go off line	Jan 05 22:31
Tallken	only around 30 ppl were affected	Jan 05 22:32
trmanco	too bad I turned off my comp at 11:45	Jan 05 22:33
trmanco	*PM	Jan 05 22:33
schestowitz	It’s all the fault of the Large Hadron Collider!!111	Jan 05 22:33
schestowitz	No X Server 1.6 Release In Sight < http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=n… >	Jan 05 22:35
schestowitz	Oops. That was supposed to be a frown. I didn’t emot-read	Jan 05 22:35
trmanco	lol	Jan 05 22:37
schestowitz	Phoronix is self-referencing a lot because it has many articles for each event. Be aware that BN is self-referential for older facts (with externals in each item) because it’s faster to refer by [cref POST_NUMBER]. Had I needed to fetch all the direct references for older things, it would take a very long time for many references that I include.	Jan 05 22:37
schestowitz	I have a nice plugin for BN cross-referencing.	Jan 05 22:37
schestowitz	Novell’s baby leaves the nest: “Kristian Lyngstol, a Compiz developer, says while the “current situation is rather dark,” it is “not without hope.” He doesn’t sugarcoat the situation, and proposes what’s next for project survival. Maybe not exciting, but his statements are precisely why Compiz still has a fighting chance.”	Jan 05 22:44
schestowitz	From < http://ostatic.com/blog/compiz-faces-afte… >	Jan 05 22:44
schestowitz	Fake news/PR: http://www.prwatch.org/node/8111	Jan 05 22:51
MinceR	gn	Jan 05 23:14
schestowitz	At this pace, you’d be in for bedtime at 8 o’clock by the end of the week.	Jan 05 23:16
schestowitz	This looks like an MS advert/plant: http://www.mixx.com/stories/3359107/expand…	Jan 05 23:17
MinceR	that would mean i’d actually get enough sleep	Jan 05 23:18
MinceR	:>	Jan 05 23:18
schestowitz	Glyn started twitting :-S http://twitter.com/statuses/user_timel…	Jan 05 23:24
schestowitz	Steve Jobs Addresses Health Concerns in Open Letter < http://www.pcworld.com/article/156316/.html?tk=rss_main >	Jan 05 23:26
schestowitz	Boffin brings ‘write once, run anywhere’ to Cisco hijacks < http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/01/05/ci… >	Jan 05 23:31
Tallken	cya later!	Jan 05 23:32
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schestowitz	Gear Linux advocacy from politicians: Police ‘encouraged’ to hack more < http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/7812353.stm >	Jan 05 23:40
schestowitz	They misspell “crack”	Jan 05 23:40
schestowitz	“Goldman Sachs believes the Redmond company is likely to reduce its headcount.” http://www.techflash.com/microsoft/Goldman_Sac…	Jan 05 23:46
schestowitz	MJF says “Microsoft haters”: “Despite lots of wishful thinking by Microsoft haters, Microsoft won’t be destroyed in a day.” http://blogs.zdnet.com/microsoft/?p=1788	Jan 05 23:48
schestowitz	That’s like calling Microsoft “Freedom haters”. The hypocrisy knows no bounds.	Jan 05 23:48