01.15.09

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IRC: #boycottnovell @ FreeNode: January 14th, 2009 – Part 3

Posted in IRC Logs at 4:55 am by Dr. Roy Schestowitz

anivar	schestowitz: done	Jan 14 18:54
schestowitz	Brilliant!	Jan 14 18:54
anivar	BTW Let me dig on some more links for Nov	Jan 14 18:54
schestowitz	OK, excellent	Jan 14 18:54
schestowitz	I’ve edited your picks in the mean time	Jan 14 18:55
schestowitz	This gives a lot of ammunition for FOSS advocates to show corruption in Microsoft deal or even sue those who are responsible using antrust laws	Jan 14 18:56
tessier_	So much to do. Where to start?	Jan 14 18:57
schestowitz	My cousin: “All of Europe is down today, as is the U.S. The U.K. and Ireland are off about 5% each. It’s no surprise!”	Jan 14 18:57
schestowitz	“It is my feeling that Obama will modify some of Bush’s programs to make them look new and innovative, but we will be seeing the same old stuff in Iraq, Afghanistan, Guantanamo, the economy, health care, the environment. And I predict the $800 billion dollar bailout will be an aspirin but hardly a cure.”	Jan 14 18:57
schestowitz	“And corruption never dies…Timothy Geithner, the man Obama selected to be future Treasury secretary, “forgot” to pay his income tax of $30,000.00 dollars. It’s like a prospective appointee as attorney-general “forgetting” he spent time in jail for theft.”	Jan 14 18:57
schestowitz	tessier: I’ve got time I have almost 50 more in the pipeline. It grows faster than I can manage to post	Jan 14 18:58
schestowitz	Doug picks out the smoking gun	Jan 14 18:58
schestowitz	And other people send pointers too	Jan 14 18:58
anivar	schestowitz: They (Microsoft’s Project Shiksha) partnered with another state Called andhra Pradesh in 2004 http://www.blonnet.com/2004/01/15…	Jan 14 19:02
schestowitz	iTunes Songs Don’t Have DRM, But They Contain Your Email Address < http://techdirt.com/articles/200901… >	Jan 14 19:02
schestowitz	anivar: good, I’ll add it	Jan 14 19:02
anivar	schestowitz: This news clearly says about It was announced during Bills 2003 Dec Visit	Jan 14 19:03
anivar	http://sify.com/finance/fullstor…	Jan 14 19:03
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anivar	.	Jan 14 19:04
anivar	Launched in India in December 2003 by Bill Gates, Chairman, Microsoft Corporation, ‘Project Shiksha’ has a target of reaching out to 80,000 teachers by this year-end, a period of five years.	Jan 14 19:04
schestowitz	The Ethical (And Mathematical) Dilemma Of Madoff Investors Who Took Some Money Out < http://techdirt.com/articles/200901… >	Jan 14 19:04
anivar	The letter says about Bills Visit in Nov 2003	Jan 14 19:04
tessier_	schestowitz: Until a year ago I owed $20k in taxes from 3 years prior. I would have the same problem. It was a mistake on the IRS’s part which I eventually got them to see but I’m sure political hay would still be made of it.	Jan 14 19:05
tessier_	Actually it was a mistake on a former employers part. “That’s what they all say” the IRS says. It was hard to prove otherwise. Took a couple years.	Jan 14 19:05
schestowitz	Compensation for trouble?	Jan 14 19:05
tessier_	Got me a couple tax liens on my credit report and various other things which I didn’t deserve.	Jan 14 19:06
anivar	schestowitz: It covers 10 states	Jan 14 19:06
tessier_	Compensation for trouble? As if. My compensation was not being ruined by it.	Jan 14 19:06
anivar	Another quote from above link	Jan 14 19:06
anivar	Under the project, run in partnership with state governments, Microsoft India currently has MoUs with 10 states for 11 academies, offering a spectrum of education resources, including tools, programmes, and practices with an aim to promote the use of IT in education.	Jan 14 19:06
anivar	This news is from 2008	Jan 14 19:06
anivar	http://www.rediff.com/money/2003/aug/0… Another state	Jan 14 19:08
anivar	LJ Story	Jan 14 19:08
anivar	http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/6452	Jan 14 19:08
schestowitz	“Wednesday, 16 January , 2008″??	Jan 14 19:09
schestowitz	It should say 145	Jan 14 19:09
schestowitz	*14	Jan 14 19:09
anivar	During his trip, Gates downplayed the challenge Microsoft faces from GNU/Linux. But one thing seems clear: the Microsoft emphasis on education and localization is aimed at taking on fields where GNU/Linux campaigners have been working already, areas where they have accumulated appreciable interest.	Jan 14 19:10
anivar	Handouts	Jan 14 19:10
anivar	In India, the Microsoft Corporation chairman outlined a long list of monetary handouts.	Jan 14 19:10
anivar	*	Jan 14 19:10
anivar	$20 million to develop India’s Shiksha edtech training programme (which has an ambitious target of training more than 80,000 teachers and 3.5 million students over several years);	Jan 14 19:10
anivar	*	Jan 14 19:10
anivar	$1 million to MIT’s Media Lab Asia project;	Jan 14 19:10
anivar	*	Jan 14 19:10
anivar	a $25 million, five-year grant for a children’s vaccine programme against Hepatitis B in the southern Andhra Pradesh state; and	Jan 14 19:10
anivar	*	Jan 14 19:10
anivar	$100 million to battle AIDS in India.	Jan 14 19:10
anivar	from LJ	Jan 14 19:10
anivar	, 16 January , 2008, what is the issue. we are in 2009 man	Jan 14 19:11
schestowitz	Added	Jan 14 19:11
schestowitz	Yes, oops	Jan 14 19:11
schestowitz	I didn’t pay attention to year	Jan 14 19:12
anivar	schestowitz: BTW there is a mistake in SIFy report. Visit of Bill gates was on Nov 2002 Not 2003	Jan 14 19:12
anivar	LJ reports it Correctly	Jan 14 19:12
anivar	I remember it	Jan 14 19:12
schestowitz	Cool.	Jan 14 19:13
schestowitz	I’ll probably post this tomorrow	Jan 14 19:13
anivar	Read the LJ eport	Jan 14 19:13
anivar	It clearly points	Jan 14 19:13
anivar	That Gates’ approach is clearly linked to the growing GNU/Linux campaigns in India is more than clear. Rajesh Mahapatra, writing for the Associated Press, commented, “Hoping to stave off a rise in the popularity of free, open-source software, Microsoft Corp. chairman Bill Gates has announced a $400-million-US investment in India.” He went on to say, “The three-year initiative–part philanthropy, part business boost–seeks to entrench products of th	Jan 14 19:13
anivar	e world’s dominant software company in schools and among India’s multitude of talented programmers.”	Jan 14 19:13
anivar	During his trip, Gates sought to underplay India’s increased support for GNU/Linux. He argued that Microsoft’s Windows remains far ahead of its competition. But the Associated Press reports otherwise: “Indian software companies are increasingly opting for Linux. Users say they prefer the open-source system because its basic code is non-proprietary, can be freely modified and makes better sense for the developing world than Windows.”	Jan 14 19:13
anivar	schestowitz: The LJ story Quotes FSF India’s works & Its response to Gates Visit	Jan 14 19:15
anivar	The same person mentioned in the report Arun M (secretry of FSF India ) iw now thrown out from special officer Post of ICFOSS (International Center to Promote FOSS)	Jan 14 19:17
anivar	in Kerala	Jan 14 19:17
schestowitz	Yes, I know.	Jan 14 19:19
schestowitz	I’m adding all this?	Jan 14 19:19
schestowitz	Can you mail me the text of the PDF?	Jan 14 19:19
schestowitz	This will hopefully be comprehensive enough a page for reference with pointers to other relevant stuff	Jan 14 19:20
*schestowitz just got distracted by E-mail and stuff		Jan 14 19:20
schestowitz	I wonder if I should quite tracking the news and just do Comes (Iowa) all the time	Jan 14 19:20
schestowitz	.	Jan 14 19:20
schestowitz	Top execs from Sling Media reportedly leaving < http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/sfgate/de… >	Jan 14 19:21
anivar	schestowitz: Mailed	Jan 14 19:21
schestowitz	Ta	Jan 14 19:21
schestowitz	ACK	Jan 14 19:21
anivar	schestowitz: take your time to compile it well	Jan 14 19:25
schestowitz	OK	Jan 14 19:25
anivar	Edgi story is being Covered in Kerala Media	Jan 14 19:25
schestowitz	Thanks a lot	Jan 14 19:25
schestowitz	I saw that	Jan 14 19:25
anivar	2 daily’s covered it	Jan 14 19:25
schestowitz	Praveen (??) sent me this	Jan 14 19:25
anivar	One in Local Language & one in English	Jan 14 19:25
schestowitz	I’ll try to get it sorted out now and post tomorrow	Jan 14 19:25
anivar	Praveen is an active guy	Jan 14 19:26
anivar	ok	Jan 14 19:26
schestowitz	Someone just mailed me dirt on BECTAsoft.	Jan 14 19:26
anivar	And One weekly will do a Cover story next week	Jan 14 19:26
schestowitz	The text is splendid, thank you.	Jan 14 19:26
anivar	ok]	Jan 14 19:26
anivar	i am leaving	Jan 14 19:26
schestowitz	I’ll add bld face where suitable	Jan 14 19:27
schestowitz	np, cvya soon	Jan 14 19:27
schestowitz	*ccya	Jan 14 19:27
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PetoKraus	so windows 7b	Jan 14 19:31
PetoKraus	oh well oh well!	Jan 14 19:32
PetoKraus	it was so boring, that two of my colleagues left	Jan 14 19:34
PetoKraus	and i ended up doing the review alone	Jan 14 19:34
schestowitz	Boring? No entertaining bugs?	Jan 14 19:34
PetoKraus	there were!	Jan 14 19:34
schestowitz	No wow?	Jan 14 19:34
PetoKraus	but they were running quite slow	Jan 14 19:34
PetoKraus		Jan 14 19:34
PetoKraus	actually, the shell has nice feature	Jan 14 19:34
PetoKraus	i’m gonna do a binding like that myself	Jan 14 19:35
schestowitz	Tell Microsoft.. they’ll say “it’s just a beta”	Jan 14 19:35
MinceR	according to index.hu, it’s already slower than the prebeta and eats more power	Jan 14 19:36
MinceR	about on par with vista1	Jan 14 19:36
trmanco	…	Jan 14 19:36
PetoKraus	to cut it short, it wasn’t actually THAT slow	Jan 14 19:36
PetoKraus	i thought it’d barely run on that thing	Jan 14 19:36
PetoKraus	it wasn’t debian, but was on par with XP	Jan 14 19:37
trmanco	as some wise people say, it is just vaporware, it is vista with more lipstick on it to cover up DRM	Jan 14 19:37
trmanco	XP is old	Jan 14 19:37
PetoKraus	though driver compatibility – pfft! wireless – no chance. Graphics – no chance. Audio – no chance. Lan – took three restarts to get static IP working.	Jan 14 19:37
trmanco	LOL	Jan 14 19:38
schestowitz	Wow	Jan 14 19:38
trmanco	did you get any BSoD?	Jan 14 19:38
schestowitz	Like Linux..	Jan 14 19:38
schestowitz	In 2998	Jan 14 19:38
PetoKraus	schestowitz: not really	Jan 14 19:38
schestowitz	1998	Jan 14 19:38
PetoKraus	yeah	Jan 14 19:38
tessier_	1998…those were the good ol’ days….	Jan 14 19:38
schestowitz	Welcome to Mcirosoft Windows	Jan 14 19:38
PetoKraus	it was actually same as XP	Jan 14 19:38
PetoKraus	though at least	Jan 14 19:38
trmanco	How do you wanna get old today?	Jan 14 19:38
PetoKraus	the drivers from vendors on XP worked	Jan 14 19:38
schestowitz	They’s why they run around projects like VLC.	Jan 14 19:39
schestowitz	getting people to make up for their incompetence.	Jan 14 19:39
trmanco	schestowitz, they got there a little late	Jan 14 19:39
schestowitz	They change APIs and all to actually be more robust/secure	Jan 14 19:39
trmanco	VLC already ran way before that MS guy got in contact with them	Jan 14 19:39
PetoKraus	UAC was the most terrible thing they did (remember, i’m comparing with XP)	Jan 14 19:39
PetoKraus	they block you an application	Jan 14 19:39
trmanco	it is still terrible	Jan 14 19:40
PetoKraus	but if you click on another app	Jan 14 19:40
PetoKraus	the UAC window doesn’t lock the screen	Jan 14 19:40
trmanco	the say UAc on 7 is less annoying, can you confirm?	Jan 14 19:40
PetoKraus	but creates a icon on taskbar	Jan 14 19:40
PetoKraus	which dims in and out	Jan 14 19:40
PetoKraus	so you fucking wait for something	Jan 14 19:40
PetoKraus	and it doesnt happen!	Jan 14 19:40
PetoKraus	because your UAC which was supposed to lock the screen	Jan 14 19:40
PetoKraus	is dismissed down!	Jan 14 19:41
trmanco	\|May I shutdown?\| Allow Disallow	Jan 14 19:42
PetoKraus	also, the user you create at install time	Jan 14 19:42
PetoKraus	is admin.	Jan 14 19:42
PetoKraus	FFS	Jan 14 19:42
trmanco	it is always like that	Jan 14 19:42
PetoKraus	why?!	Jan 14 19:42
PetoKraus	does linux have it like that?	Jan 14 19:42
PetoKraus	no!	Jan 14 19:42
trmanco	well, they don’t really think	Jan 14 19:42
trmanco	It is a “feature” on Windows	Jan 14 19:43
trmanco	ask them, you will see what they say	Jan 14 19:43
PetoKraus	yeah	Jan 14 19:44
PetoKraus	anyway	Jan 14 19:44
PetoKraus	off for couple of pints	Jan 14 19:44
PetoKraus	ttyl lads!	Jan 14 19:45
PetoKraus	and wish me luck editing the two hours of footage	Jan 14 19:45
PetoKraus	:/	Jan 14 19:45
trmanco	good luck, cya	Jan 14 19:46
Omar87	http://www.crunchgear.com/2009/01/14/first-patch-for…	Jan 14 19:52
trmanco	so Windows can’t play DRM media?	Jan 14 20:00
trmanco	they can’t even get mp3 playback right	Jan 14 20:01
schestowitz	Cya, PetoKraus	Jan 14 20:03
schestowitz	tessier, Omar87 that’ll get the DRM perpetrators talking	Jan 14 20:03
schestowitz	So we’re doing a post tomorrow which the Indian press might pick (again), so it would be invaluable to include more dirt, which someone has just sent me. As you may know, I wrote extensively about Microsoft’s funny business in the financial area. There’s more to it in India too.	Jan 14 20:06
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schestowitz	New’ education’ scam noted: http://blog.seattlepi.nwsource.com/mic… It’s about lock-in, not education	Jan 14 21:10
schestowitz	http://www.computerworlduk.com/communit… “That’s not necessarily a bad thing: if the Qt saga shows anything, it is that the free software world thrives on competition. It was Qt’s licence issues that led to the creation of GNOME, and GNOME’s choice of licence that moved Qt progressively closer to the GNU GPL and now the GNU LGPL.”	Jan 14 21:13
schestowitz	So Glyn is not enthus’ed about it	Jan 14 21:14
schestowitz	Brit porn filter censors 13 years of net history < http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/01/14/… >	Jan 14 21:14
schestowitz	Buggers. They block Alexa now?	Jan 14 21:14
schestowitz	“Four weeks after birthing a nationwide Wikipedia edit ban, Britain’s child porn blacklist has led at least one ISP to muzzle the Internet Archive’s Wayback Machine – an 85 billion page web history dating back to 1996.”	Jan 14 21:14
schestowitz	“The IWF has now said that it has indeed blacklisted images housed by the Internet Archive. But its guidelines say that blacklisted URLs “are precise web pages” chosen so that “the risk of over blocking or collateral damage is minimised.” “	Jan 14 21:15
schestowitz	156 comments	Jan 14 21:15
schestowitz	http://www.computerworlduk.com/community/blogs/… “	Jan 14 21:19
schestowitz	Novell’s deal and insinuation have a direct effect on ALL Linux users, distros and developers.	Jan 14 21:19
schestowitz	You can not trust someone who claims to be your partner and works with you on software and at the same time insinuate that all those partners are illegal and that it is because it paid the extortion demands.”	Jan 14 21:19
schestowitz	Another article on SCO: http://www.computerworld.com.au/article/27289…	Jan 14 21:28
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schestowitz	Review of BetaVista7 (it’s horrible): Diving Headfirst into Windows Beta 7 http://www.pcworld.com/article/15704…	Jan 14 21:35
schestowitz	“I take the Windows 7 Beta plunge and find the waters a bit choppy. [...] Daemon Tools? Won’t even install.”	Jan 14 21:35
schestowitz	Like PetoKraus wrote, it apparently functions/interacts with very few things	Jan 14 21:36
curveball2000	schestowitz, dunno, fine so far here.	Jan 14 21:43
curveball2000	schestowitz, Ive not installed TONS of things, but so far , so good.	Jan 14 21:44
curveball2000	schestowitz, though a few times yes, Ive had to use ‘compat mode’ wizard	Jan 14 21:44
schestowitz	I never used Vista, so I don’t know..	Jan 14 21:44
curveball2000	schestowitz, would I rather be using linux fulltime for all my needs, a resounding yes, but atm thats impossible.	Jan 14 21:44
MinceR	combat mode!	Jan 14 21:44
curveball2000	lol	Jan 14 21:44
schestowitz	I never use Windows in general, but when I was younger I did..	Jan 14 21:44
curveball2000	MinceR, there is that	Jan 14 21:45
schestowitz	Do the Finish.	Jan 14 21:45
schestowitz	“Finish him [this app]“	Jan 14 21:45
curveball2000	schestowitz, honestly games hold me back	Jan 14 21:45
schestowitz	I don’t play games anymore	Jan 14 21:46
schestowitz	Some people would just purchase a Wii	Jan 14 21:46
curveball2000	schestowitz, I have way too many friends ( one mainly ) for whom linux is not an option..at least I dont think , i’d have to try a bit hard with wine maybe and see what unveils itself	Jan 14 21:46
schestowitz	If one needs to pay for games anyway..	Jan 14 21:46
curveball2000	schestowitz, wii is solid yup	Jan 14 21:46
curveball2000	hehe	Jan 14 21:46
MinceR	even if you have windows-only games, you can dual-boot	Jan 14 21:46
curveball2000	and I do	Jan 14 21:47
curveball2000	I just sadly rarely go into linux	Jan 14 21:47
MinceR	(in this case i mean “won’t run with wine, cedega or crossover gaming” by “windows-only”)	Jan 14 21:47
schestowitz	Oh wait	Jan 14 21:47
schestowitz	curveball2000: neighborlee	Jan 14 21:47
MinceR	(and not in a vm either)	Jan 14 21:47
schestowitz	OK, that makes sense now	Jan 14 21:47
schestowitz	I though he was /too/ similar	Jan 14 21:47
schestowitz	*thought	Jan 14 21:47
curveball2000	schestowitz, gosh man your getting slow	Jan 14 21:47
curveball2000		Jan 14 21:48
schestowitz	When did this happen	Jan 14 21:48
schestowitz	What happened to the neighbour and when did you carev his balls?	Jan 14 21:48
schestowitz	*carve	Jan 14 21:48
curveball2000	ROFL	Jan 14 21:48
schestowitz	*would be worse if the typo went like “crave”	Jan 14 21:48
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neighborlee	doubleROFL	Jan 14 21:48
neighborlee	you are major naughty mr schestowitz LOL	Jan 14 21:48
schestowitz	Naaa..	Jan 14 21:48
neighborlee	not that I dont love it, on some, naughty level myself <ha-ha>	Jan 14 21:49
schestowitz	I was gonna say “what did you do to the real one?”	Jan 14 21:49
neighborlee	you asked for it,,now take it like a erahm,,man	Jan 14 21:49
schestowitz	But curving a ball soinded better	Jan 14 21:49
neighborlee	lol	Jan 14 21:49
neighborlee	indeed it did har	Jan 14 21:49
schestowitz	I’m doing another BECTA post	Jan 14 21:49
schestowitz	Those crooks are verywhere	Jan 14 21:49
neighborlee	wth is th at	Jan 14 21:49
schestowitz	The nice thing is, the more we document in BN, the more links I can find and present	Jan 14 21:50
schestowitz	You could draw up a ‘crony chart’	Jan 14 21:50
neighborlee	what is becta	Jan 14 21:50
MinceR	lol crave	Jan 14 21:50
neighborlee	lol	Jan 14 21:50
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neighborlee	schestowitz, why is jose getting into these LONG diatribes with alex, we already know mono and moonlight are encumbered,,he’s wasting his time	Jan 14 21:52
neighborlee	which is prob. what they want o_0	Jan 14 21:53
jose	dfasf	Jan 14 21:53
jose	http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20090114/bs_n…	Jan 14 21:53
neighborlee	o_0	Jan 14 21:53
MinceR	fgsfds	Jan 14 21:53
jose	aapl halted in after hours trading	Jan 14 21:53
neighborlee	lool	Jan 14 21:53
jose	jobs takes leave of absence	Jan 14 21:53
MinceR	yay	Jan 14 21:53
MinceR	time for apple to die	Jan 14 21:53
jose	alex is indirectly helping me clarify and discover some details	Jan 14 21:54
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neighborlee	oh yes steve indeed..	Jan 14 21:54
neighborlee	I saw that yesterday,,he sure does look ill	Jan 14 21:54
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neighborlee	jose, I hope your right	Jan 14 21:55
schestowitz	neighborlee: read this:	Jan 14 21:55
neighborlee	jose, you sure do your part ill give you that,,over and above the call of duty	Jan 14 21:55
schestowitz	http://boycottnovell.com/2009/01/14/…	Jan 14 21:55
schestowitz	Tell me wot you think!	Jan 14 21:55
schestowitz	Hey, jose	Jan 14 21:55
jose	hey… neighborlee: just trying to help bn and others out	Jan 14 21:56
schestowitz	MinceR: what if not only Apple dies?	Jan 14 21:56
jose	hey was to schestowitz	Jan 14 21:56
schestowitz	You know..	Jan 14 21:56
jose	“hey” was to schestowitz	Jan 14 21:56
MinceR	schestowitz: you know i won’t mind :>	Jan 14 21:57
schestowitz	jose: should I reply to Alex more?	Jan 14 21:57
schestowitz	He’s like some angry heckler	Jan 14 21:57
jose	ideally i’d do a write up	Jan 14 21:57
jose	that’s from my pov	Jan 14 21:57
neighborlee	schestowitz, I love quote at top	Jan 14 21:57
schestowitz	It’s draining efforts that can be used to do new posts.	Jan 14 21:57
jose	not sure what to recommend others do	Jan 14 21:57
schestowitz	neighborlee: thanks.	Jan 14 21:57
schestowitz	Tell me about typos too	Jan 14 21:57
schestowitz	Or lack of clarify	Jan 14 21:57
schestowitz	jose: if you want to do “guest post”, then mail me.	Jan 14 21:58
jose	clarity	Jan 14 21:58
schestowitz	You are very credible in my eyes	Jan 14 21:58
jose	k thnx	Jan 14 21:58
jose	well, i’ll try to assume I won’t exactly be believed by everyone reading	Jan 14 21:58
schestowitz	You can weave in some of the stuff from the comments	Jan 14 21:58
schestowitz	It’s a big page (like a soft cover handbooks), so I doubt many will keep track	Jan 14 21:58
jose	i’ll see.. let’s not count the chickens before they’re hatched	Jan 14 21:58
schestowitz	Red Hat’s CEO stepped down a year ago also for ‘health reasons’ in family	Jan 14 21:59
jose	it has a lot of sections I will likely be looking at again perhaps to reuse	Jan 14 21:59
schestowitz	One year later Red Hat still does alright.	Jan 14 21:59
jose	jobs is appl	Jan 14 21:59
jose	to a greater extent anyway	Jan 14 21:59
schestowitz	Call me cynical, but I never trust what ANY company says in its financial ‘results’	Jan 14 21:59
schestowitz	It’s a sector of crooks	Jan 14 21:59
schestowitz	Accountants and all. Cheating is the norm there.	Jan 14 22:00
schestowitz	jose: yes, without Jobs, the mnotivation of his fans is gone	Jan 14 22:00
schestowitz	Unlike Gates, a leave for him would mean no work	Jan 14 22:00
jose	well i’m curious about the motivation of this stockholders	Jan 14 22:00
MinceR	well, they could still mass-produce shiny crap with an apple logo	Jan 14 22:00
MinceR		Jan 14 22:00
schestowitz	Gates is still working like a workaholic full time (100+ hours/week I bet)	Jan 14 22:00
schestowitz	Gates just concentrated on things like bribery and corruption now, operating under the umbrella of money for ‘good’ causes	Jan 14 22:01
schestowitz	“Engraves onto it”	Jan 14 22:01
schestowitz	They should try that on a sandwich.	Jan 14 22:01
schestowitz	A $1 hotdog turns to a $10 iDog	Jan 14 22:02
neighborlee	schestowitz, it looks fine roy.	Jan 14 22:02
schestowitz	Thanks.	Jan 14 22:03
neighborlee	schestowitz, and we wonder why they see linux as a cancer	Jan 14 22:03
neighborlee	np	Jan 14 22:03
schestowitz	yes, I have lots more to show	Jan 14 22:04
schestowitz	I’ll need to abbreviate a lot though	Jan 14 22:04
schestowitz	Cause Comes leads me to neglecting other CURRENT events	Jan 14 22:04
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neighborlee	jose, sorry I spoke about you in 3rd as I dont see you chat here much I guess, trust me now Im clearly aware I can speak directly to you <eesh>	Jan 14 22:06
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neighborlee	schestowitz, free vs not free..its all about control and we’re not talking about just companies and software sadly.	Jan 14 22:06
schestowitz	This is colonialism	Jan 14 22:07
schestowitz	Not just ins/w	Jan 14 22:07
schestowitz	But as people who are proficient in software in a world that’s incresingly digital, it’s possible to make a difference	Jan 14 22:07
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jose	neighborlee, I know. .. what happened with me was that i replied to you and immediately replied to roy	Jan 14 22:08
jose	it came out confusing	Jan 14 22:08
jose	neighborlee, when you say that about alex, i had just dropped in.. haven’t dropped in for weeks.	Jan 14 22:09
neighborlee	jose, ah ok yes ic	Jan 14 22:09
jose	of course, i timed it perfectly on purpose.. P	Jan 14 22:09
neighborlee	lol	Jan 14 22:09
neighborlee	schestowitz, they clearly should be concerned,,their days of a controlling mechanism are hugely numbered	Jan 14 22:11
schestowitz	Yes, margins gone	Jan 14 22:12
schestowitz	Watch sub-notebooks..	Jan 14 22:12
schestowitz	$5 Windows..	Jan 14 22:12
neighborlee	heh	Jan 14 22:12
schestowitz	Office given to students for bucks..	Jan 14 22:12
schestowitz	Google Docs is there…	Jan 14 22:12
neighborlee	no surprise	Jan 14 22:12
schestowitz	OOo on broadband…	Jan 14 22:12
schestowitz	They shiver and executives jump ship	Jan 14 22:12
schestowitz	They know what’s coming	Jan 14 22:12
schestowitz	Corrupt exclusionary deals are all they have left	Jan 14 22:12
neighborlee	I was elated to see ODF as option in wordpad.though sure its not clear unless you choose ‘other fomats’ but still	Jan 14 22:13
schestowitz	I can’t wait to ‘leak’ the analyst dirty tricks too	Jan 14 22:13
neighborlee		Jan 14 22:13
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neighborlee	honesty its too bad they dont just sit back and innovate and leave software in the hands of those that create and share for the betterment of humanity	Jan 14 22:14
neighborlee	but that would be too hard	Jan 14 22:14
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schestowitz	Few companies do this	Jan 14 22:14
schestowitz	Software, like art, is to be commoditised	Jan 14 22:14
neighborlee	of course	Jan 14 22:14
schestowitz	Watch what Al Jazeera just did… CC for all the content	Jan 14 22:14
schestowitz	They are ahead of the world in that sense.	Jan 14 22:14
neighborlee	missed that apparantly	Jan 14 22:15
schestowitz	Some idiots guard their film cellars, so nobody has interest in it.	Jan 14 22:15
schestowitz	Those who share thrive	Jan 14 22:15
neighborlee	ive been tuned into msnbc lately,,and the mess the burris thing has become etc…	Jan 14 22:15
schestowitz	Newspaper that block non-subs are dying too	Jan 14 22:15
neighborlee	newpapers in general	Jan 14 22:15
neighborlee	course we saw that coming	Jan 14 22:16
schestowitz	http://opendotdotdot.blogspot.co…	Jan 14 22:25
schestowitz	Scarcity is created when production is costly	Jan 14 22:25
schestowitz	Like printing machines	Jan 14 22:26
schestowitz	Or setting up a concert with musicians playing instruments	Jan 14 22:26
schestowitz	The MAFIAA tried to maintain old methods of distribution with cost.	Jan 14 22:26
schestowitz	If someone could build a business model around selling oxygen, s/he would	Jan 14 22:26
schestowitz	Human nature maybe… the way people are raised	Jan 14 22:26
schestowitz	Money, money, money… kill whatever’s in the way	Jan 14 22:27
schestowitz	From the no-shit-sherlock dept.: http://edition.cnn.com/2009/TECH/01/14/am.arm… ( Army using video games to tempt recruits)	Jan 14 22:28
schestowitz	It’s a shame when those very same video games train kids who shoot their mom to death	Jan 14 22:28
schestowitz	These games are supposed to recruit kids to become killer machines against Iraqis	Jan 14 22:29
schestowitz	CES was a slum	Jan 14 22:29
schestowitz	No new announcement of much substance	Jan 14 22:29
schestowitz	CES and the recession: What was the impact? http://edition.cnn.com/2009/TECH/01/12…	Jan 14 22:29
schestowitz	jose: i found a comment of yours in mod queue	Jan 14 22:44
schestowitz	It’s approved now	Jan 14 22:44
jose	thnx, i was going to ask but was re-replying differently.	Jan 14 22:44
schestowitz	I closed comments on items from 2006-08	Jan 14 22:45
schestowitz	There was too much spam clogging things up	Jan 14 22:45
schestowitz	I spent many hours just reading about pills and penis enhancement	Jan 14 22:45
PetoKraus	did it work?	Jan 14 22:45
schestowitz	Sometimes there was fetish sex.	Jan 14 22:46
PetoKraus	oh	Jan 14 22:46
jose	wow.. that’s interesting you closed it.. it helps preservation.. but dec of 2008 seems too recent.. no?	Jan 14 22:46
PetoKraus	you should have sent an invite	Jan 14 22:46
schestowitz	PetoKraus: no, I didn’t click on the URLs in the SPAM.	Jan 14 22:46
schestowitz		Jan 14 22:46
PetoKraus		Jan 14 22:46
PetoKraus	SPAM SPAM SPAM	Jan 14 22:46
PetoKraus	glorious spam	Jan 14 22:46
schestowitz	But it’s annoying to go through nasty things like “horse sex” and “girls sh*t”..	Jan 14 22:46
PetoKraus	did you see them both? so did I. Which one is worse?	Jan 14 22:47
schestowitz	Apparently what’s what people search for,	Jan 14 22:47
*tessier_ wonders what the deal with Steve Jobs is		Jan 14 22:47
tessier_	And what will happen some day when billg passes on?	Jan 14 22:47
schestowitz	Cause spammer use that as anchor text	Jan 14 22:47
schestowitz	One person does not make a corrupt corporation	Jan 14 22:48
tessier_	You can’t normally have a peaceful transition of power if the original power is built around a cult of personality, history has shown us.	Jan 14 22:48
schestowitz	But he raises and recruit like-minded thugs like SteveB	Jan 14 22:48
tessier_	Although Vietnam was an exception to that it seems.	Jan 14 22:48
tessier_	But perhaps that is because they were in a war and had a very solid control over the people when the leader passed.	Jan 14 22:48
schestowitz	SteveB has less of a squeaky voice than BillG and he tosses furniture, not bobbing on it	Jan 14 22:48
schestowitz	tessier: in Vietnam (IIRC) they fakes some leader’s presence.	Jan 14 22:49
schestowitz	There was some image in El Reg (IIRC) where you can see they GIMPed him in	Jan 14 22:49
schestowitz	The shadow doesn’t match	Jan 14 22:50
schestowitz	Maybe it was Korea though	Jan 14 22:50
schestowitz	Var Guy has some sort of marketing fetish.. http://www.thevarguy.com/2009/01/13/wheres-ope…	Jan 14 22:50
schestowitz	New master of the world: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wo…	Jan 14 22:51
schestowitz	my ex-g/f went from studying maths to studying Chinese.	Jan 14 22:51
schestowitz	This might be handy based on how things turn out	Jan 14 22:51
schestowitz	School’s links to porn site end < http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technolog… >	Jan 14 22:52
schestowitz	Mr Uptime now available for Firefox 3 <	Jan 14 22:52
schestowitz	http://royal.pingdom.com/2009/01…	Jan 14 22:52
schestowitz	LOL Mr. Uptime……. sounds like some V1agra substitute.	Jan 14 22:52
zoobab	hi	Jan 14 22:56
zoobab	can someone play those videos with mplayer?	Jan 14 22:57
zoobab	http://ec.europa.eu/informati…	Jan 14 22:57
zoobab	I have strange IP adresses here:	Jan 14 22:57
zoobab	http://192.168.0.195:80/europa/i…	Jan 14 22:57
tessier_	schestowitz: I’m thinking that was probably Korea and Kim Jung Il.	Jan 14 22:57
tessier_	Ho Chi Minh has been dead since 1969 or so.	Jan 14 22:57
tessier_	Although nobody knows for sure the exact date he really died.	Jan 14 22:57
PetoKraus	spam spam spam spammity spaaam	Jan 14 22:58
tessier_	Mr. Uptime. Isn’t that the smiling Bob guy from those commercials we used to see on TV a year or two ago?	Jan 14 22:58
schestowitz	tessier: probably. Military photo that was..	Jan 14 22:58
schestowitz	wget http://212.68.215.195/europ… 811271515_ClosingPlenary_harbour_en.wmv	Jan 14 23:00
schestowitz	–2009-01-14 23:00:24– http://212.68.215.195/europa/ict200…	Jan 14 23:00
schestowitz	Connecting to 212.68.215.195:80… connected.	Jan 14 23:00
schestowitz	HTTP request sent, awaiting response… 200 OK	Jan 14 23:00
schestowitz	Length: 99	Jan 14 23:00
schestowitz	Saving to: `0811271515_ClosingPlenary_harbour_en.wmv’	Jan 14 23:00
schestowitz	100%[===================== ==================>] 99 –.-K/s in 0s	Jan 14 23:00
schestowitz	2009-01-14 23:00:25 (5.86 MB/s) – `0811271515_ClosingPlenary_harbour_en.wmv’ saved [99/99]	Jan 14 23:00
zoobab	99 bytes	Jan 14 23:00
schestowitz	Can anyone help?	Jan 14 23:01
zoobab	cat 0811271515_ClosingPlenary_harbour_en.wmv	Jan 14 23:01
zoobab	[Reference]	Jan 14 23:01
zoobab	Ref1=http://192.168.0.195:80/europa/i…	Jan 14 23:01
MinceR	gn	Jan 14 23:03
zoobab	you have to replace their http:// by ::s://	Jan 14 23:05
zoobab	mms://	Jan 14 23:05
zoobab	mplayer -v mms://212.68.215.195/europa/ict2008/0811261 100_InnovationCreativityPart1_en.wmv	Jan 14 23:05
jose	schestowitz, the var guy wants linux co’s to address that particular market.. perhaps they need partnerships with hw vendors to be competitive. ..not knowing more, i too think linux co should go into that market	Jan 14 23:07
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schestowitz	http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/200… ( YouTube Mutes (Some) Copyrighted Music )	Jan 14 23:23
schestowitz	Unabomber Writings To Be Sold Online < http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2009/0… >	Jan 14 23:25
schestowitz	Memorabilia of a nutcase with an interesting theory on society.	Jan 14 23:25
schestowitz	Vulnerability in Apple’s Safari http://www.heise.de/english/new…	Jan 14 23:27
schestowitz	Microsoft closes three holes in Windows http://www.heise.de/english/newstic…	Jan 14 23:27
schestowitz	http://thebeezspeaks.blogspot.com/… “Mono isn’t getting anywhere (fortunately)”	Jan 14 23:32
schestowitz	Adopt a (Gnome) hacker for $10 < http://www.tectonic.co.za/?p=3883 >	Jan 14 23:34
schestowitz	ZDNet is ‘publishing’ adverts again… How to keep your data secure < http://news.zdnet.com/2100-959… >	Jan 14 23:39
jose	roy, i’m going to take a break for a while.. not sure if i’ll stay on here.. and thnx for the offer. i would like to write something up	Jan 14 23:43
schestowitz	That’s be great	Jan 14 23:46
schestowitz	*’d	Jan 14 23:46
schestowitz	“The discussion also mentions Microsoft’s “Unlimited Potential” program as yet another means to ensure early indoctrination of students into Mircosoft.” http://www.geekzone.co.nz/foobar/6126	Jan 14 23:48
schestowitz	Many sites cover the EDGI stuff now	Jan 14 23:48
schestowitz	I have more coming for a while…	Jan 14 23:48
schestowitz	Almost 500 comments about this in Slashdot: http://news.slashdot.org/article…	Jan 14 23:48
schestowitz	We did about 35k pageviews today, all in all. The /. effect if over, but some people subscribed	Jan 14 23:49
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schestowitz	“It’s popular to hate on Microsoft because of their past behavior. But there’s nothing ‘unethical’ or ‘monopolistic’ about it. It’s normal business competition. You can bet Oracle does it, IBM does it, and just about every other software/services vendor does it.” http://news.slashdot.org/article… — Anthony Papillion, OpenEMR HQ, Inc	Jan 14 23:51
schestowitz	No, it’s a monopoly	Jan 14 23:51
schestowitz	So doing this as a monopoly is violation of the law.	Jan 14 23:52
schestowitz	NOVELLER~1 on “What happens with KDE with Qt license shift?” < http://blogs.zdnet.com/community/?p=152 >	Jan 14 23:54
tessier_	http://ldn.linuxfoundation.org/blog-entry/li…	Jan 14 23:55
jose	later everyone	Jan 14 23:55
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tessier_	Novell voted most likely to go out of business or be acquired in 2009	Jan 14 23:55
tessier_	http://www.channelinsider.com/c/a/News/Dire-…	Jan 14 23:55
tessier_	Although I would hesitate to say that Novell and Sun are “from the open source industry”	Jan 14 23:56
tessier_	And this again highlights the problem with the phrase “open source”	Jan 14 23:56
schestowitz	yes, I agree	Jan 14 23:56
schestowitz	Novell wants the OSS status for ‘goodwill’ value	Jan 14 23:56
schestowitz	WHich it does not deserve	Jan 14 23:56
schestowitz	It would be better if Novell never ‘joined’	Jan 14 23:56
schestowitz	S.u.S.E. would have expanded	Jan 14 23:57
schestowitz	Maybe like Red Hat with a desktop focus	Jan 14 23:57
schestowitz	It has Mandriva as rival	Jan 14 23:57
schestowitz	EU: Browsers barometer < http://www.epractice.eu/document/5357 >	Jan 14 23:57
tessier_	One ray of hope came Monday, when Dean Baker, co-director of the Center for Economic and Policy Research posted his economic to-do list for US President-Elect barack Obama. Number six on his list? “Funding for the Development of Open Software.”	Jan 14 23:57
schestowitz	Sun… haha… open source	Jan 14 23:57
schestowitz	Looks where they make money and how	Jan 14 23:57
schestowitz	Kind of like IBM	Jan 14 23:57
tessier_	pro-Sun folks will always point out how Sun gave us the NFS spec and OpenOffice and Java (cough) etc.	Jan 14 23:58
schestowitz	Lotus… proprietary.. servers… h/w…	Jan 14 23:58
schestowitz	OOo is an important gift	Jan 14 23:58
schestowitz	It’s not fair to discount it..	Jan 14 23:58