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IRC: #boycottnovell @ FreeNode: January 14th, 2009 – Part 3

Posted in IRC Logs at 4:55 am by Dr. Roy Schestowitz


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anivar schestowitz:  done Jan 14 18:54
schestowitz Brilliant! Jan 14 18:54
anivar BTW Let me dig on some more links for Nov Jan 14 18:54
schestowitz OK, excellent Jan 14 18:54
schestowitz I’ve edited your picks in the mean time Jan 14 18:55
schestowitz This gives a lot of ammunition for FOSS advocates to show corruption in Microsoft deal or even sue those who are responsible using antrust laws Jan 14 18:56
tessier_ So much to do. Where to start? Jan 14 18:57
schestowitz My cousin: “All of Europe is down today, as is the U.S. The U.K. and Ireland are off about 5% each. It’s no surprise!” Jan 14 18:57
schestowitz “It is my feeling that Obama will modify some of Bush’s programs to make them look new and innovative, but we will be seeing the same old stuff in Iraq, Afghanistan, Guantanamo, the economy, health care, the environment. And I predict the $800 billion dollar bailout will be an aspirin but hardly a cure.” Jan 14 18:57
schestowitz “And corruption never dies…Timothy Geithner, the man Obama selected to be future Treasury secretary, “forgot” to pay his income tax of $30,000.00 dollars. It’s like a prospective appointee as attorney-general “forgetting” he spent time in jail for theft.” Jan 14 18:57
schestowitz tessier: I’ve got time :-) I have almost 50 more in the pipeline. It grows faster than I can manage to post Jan 14 18:58
schestowitz Doug picks out the smoking gun Jan 14 18:58
schestowitz And other people send pointers too Jan 14 18:58
anivar schestowitz:  They (Microsoft’s Project Shiksha) partnered with another state Called andhra Pradesh in 2004 http://www.blonnet.com/2004/01/15… Jan 14 19:02
schestowitz iTunes Songs Don’t Have DRM, But They Contain Your Email Address < http://techdirt.com/articles/200901… > Jan 14 19:02
schestowitz anivar: good, I’ll add it Jan 14 19:02
anivar schestowitz:  This news clearly says about It was announced during Bills 2003 Dec Visit Jan 14 19:03
anivar http://sify.com/finance/fullstor… Jan 14 19:03
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anivar . Jan 14 19:04
anivar Launched in India in December 2003 by Bill Gates, Chairman, Microsoft Corporation, ‘Project Shiksha’ has a target of reaching out to 80,000 teachers by this year-end, a period of five years. Jan 14 19:04
schestowitz The Ethical (And Mathematical) Dilemma Of Madoff Investors Who Took Some Money Out < http://techdirt.com/articles/200901… > Jan 14 19:04
anivar The letter says about Bills Visit in Nov 2003 Jan 14 19:04
tessier_ schestowitz: Until a year ago I owed $20k in taxes from 3 years prior. I would have the same problem. It was a mistake on the IRS’s part which I eventually got them to see but I’m sure political hay would still be made of it. Jan 14 19:05
tessier_ Actually it was a mistake on a former employers part. “That’s what they all say” the IRS says. It was hard to prove otherwise. Took a couple years. Jan 14 19:05
schestowitz Compensation for trouble? Jan 14 19:05
tessier_ Got me a couple tax liens on my credit report and various other things which I didn’t deserve. Jan 14 19:06
anivar schestowitz:  It covers 10 states Jan 14 19:06
tessier_ Compensation for trouble? As if. My compensation was not being ruined by it. Jan 14 19:06
anivar Another quote from above link Jan 14 19:06
anivar Under the project, run in partnership with state governments, Microsoft India currently has MoUs with 10 states for 11 academies, offering a spectrum of education resources, including tools, programmes, and practices with an aim to promote the use of IT in education. Jan 14 19:06
anivar This news is from 2008 Jan 14 19:06
anivar http://www.rediff.com/money/2003/aug/0… Another state Jan 14 19:08
anivar LJ Story Jan 14 19:08
anivar http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/6452 Jan 14 19:08
schestowitz “Wednesday, 16 January , 2008″?? Jan 14 19:09
schestowitz It should say 145 Jan 14 19:09
schestowitz *14 Jan 14 19:09
anivar During his trip, Gates downplayed the challenge Microsoft faces from GNU/Linux. But one thing seems clear: the Microsoft emphasis on education and localization is aimed at taking on fields where GNU/Linux campaigners have been working already, areas where they have accumulated appreciable interest. Jan 14 19:10
anivar Handouts Jan 14 19:10
anivar In India, the Microsoft Corporation chairman outlined a long list of monetary handouts. Jan 14 19:10
anivar     * Jan 14 19:10
anivar       $20 million to develop India’s Shiksha edtech training programme (which has an ambitious target of training more than 80,000 teachers and 3.5 million students over several years); Jan 14 19:10
anivar     * Jan 14 19:10
anivar       $1 million to MIT’s Media Lab Asia project; Jan 14 19:10
anivar     * Jan 14 19:10
anivar       a $25 million, five-year grant for a children’s vaccine programme against Hepatitis B in the southern Andhra Pradesh state; and Jan 14 19:10
anivar     * Jan 14 19:10
anivar       $100 million to battle AIDS in India. Jan 14 19:10
anivar from LJ Jan 14 19:10
anivar , 16 January , 2008, what is the issue. we are in 2009 man Jan 14 19:11
schestowitz Added Jan 14 19:11
schestowitz Yes, oops Jan 14 19:11
schestowitz I didn’t pay attention to year Jan 14 19:12
anivar schestowitz:  BTW there is a mistake in SIFy report. Visit of Bill gates was on Nov 2002 Not 2003 Jan 14 19:12
anivar LJ reports it Correctly Jan 14 19:12
anivar I remember it Jan 14 19:12
schestowitz Cool. Jan 14 19:13
schestowitz I’ll probably post this tomorrow Jan 14 19:13
anivar Read the LJ eport Jan 14 19:13
anivar It clearly points Jan 14 19:13
anivar That Gates’ approach is clearly linked to the growing GNU/Linux campaigns in India is more than clear. Rajesh Mahapatra, writing for the Associated Press, commented, “Hoping to stave off a rise in the popularity of free, open-source software, Microsoft Corp. chairman Bill Gates has announced a $400-million-US investment in India.” He went on to say, “The three-year initiative–part philanthropy, part business boost–seeks to entrench products of th Jan 14 19:13
anivar e world’s dominant software company in schools and among India’s multitude of talented programmers.” Jan 14 19:13
anivar During his trip, Gates sought to underplay India’s increased support for GNU/Linux. He argued that Microsoft’s Windows remains far ahead of its competition. But the Associated Press reports otherwise: “Indian software companies are increasingly opting for Linux. Users say they prefer the open-source system because its basic code is non-proprietary, can be freely modified and makes better sense for the developing world than Windows.” Jan 14 19:13
anivar schestowitz:  The LJ story Quotes FSF India’s works & Its response to Gates Visit Jan 14 19:15
anivar The same person mentioned in the report  Arun M  (secretry of FSF India )  iw now thrown out from special officer Post of ICFOSS (International Center to Promote FOSS) Jan 14 19:17
anivar in Kerala Jan 14 19:17
schestowitz Yes, I know. Jan 14 19:19
schestowitz I’m adding all this? Jan 14 19:19
schestowitz Can you mail me the text of the PDF? Jan 14 19:19
schestowitz This will hopefully be comprehensive enough a page for reference with pointers to other relevant stuff Jan 14 19:20
*schestowitz just got distracted by E-mail and stuff Jan 14 19:20
schestowitz I wonder if I should quite tracking the news and just do Comes (Iowa) all the time Jan 14 19:20
schestowitz . Jan 14 19:20
schestowitz Top execs from Sling Media reportedly leaving < http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/sfgate/de… > Jan 14 19:21
anivar schestowitz:  Mailed Jan 14 19:21
schestowitz Ta Jan 14 19:21
schestowitz ACK Jan 14 19:21
anivar schestowitz:  take your time to compile it well Jan 14 19:25
schestowitz OK Jan 14 19:25
anivar Edgi story is being Covered in Kerala Media Jan 14 19:25
schestowitz Thanks a lot Jan 14 19:25
schestowitz I saw that Jan 14 19:25
anivar 2 daily’s covered it Jan 14 19:25
schestowitz Praveen (??) sent me this Jan 14 19:25
anivar One in Local Language & one in English Jan 14 19:25
schestowitz I’ll try to get it sorted out now and post tomorrow Jan 14 19:25
anivar Praveen is an active guy Jan 14 19:26
anivar ok Jan 14 19:26
schestowitz Someone just mailed me dirt on BECTAsoft. Jan 14 19:26
anivar And One weekly  will do a Cover story next week Jan 14 19:26
schestowitz The text is splendid, thank you. Jan 14 19:26
anivar ok] Jan 14 19:26
anivar i am leaving Jan 14 19:26
schestowitz I’ll add bld face where suitable Jan 14 19:27
schestowitz np, cvya soon Jan 14 19:27
schestowitz *ccya Jan 14 19:27
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PetoKraus so windows 7b Jan 14 19:31
PetoKraus oh well oh well! Jan 14 19:32
PetoKraus it was so boring, that two of my colleagues left Jan 14 19:34
PetoKraus and i ended up doing the review alone Jan 14 19:34
schestowitz Boring? No entertaining bugs? Jan 14 19:34
PetoKraus there were! Jan 14 19:34
schestowitz No wow? Jan 14 19:34
PetoKraus but they were running quite slow Jan 14 19:34
PetoKraus :D Jan 14 19:34
PetoKraus actually, the shell has nice feature Jan 14 19:34
PetoKraus i’m gonna do a binding like that myself Jan 14 19:35
schestowitz Tell Microsoft.. they’ll say “it’s just a beta” Jan 14 19:35
MinceR according to index.hu, it’s already slower than the prebeta and eats more power Jan 14 19:36
MinceR about on par with vista1 Jan 14 19:36
trmanco Jan 14 19:36
PetoKraus to cut it short, it wasn’t actually THAT slow Jan 14 19:36
PetoKraus i thought it’d barely run on that thing Jan 14 19:36
PetoKraus it wasn’t debian, but was on par with XP Jan 14 19:37
trmanco as some wise people say, it is just vaporware, it is vista with more lipstick on it to cover up DRM Jan 14 19:37
trmanco XP is old Jan 14 19:37
PetoKraus though driver compatibility – pfft! wireless – no chance. Graphics – no chance. Audio – no chance. Lan – took three restarts to get static IP working. Jan 14 19:37
trmanco LOL Jan 14 19:38
schestowitz Wow Jan 14 19:38
trmanco did you get any BSoD? Jan 14 19:38
schestowitz Like Linux.. Jan 14 19:38
schestowitz In 2998 Jan 14 19:38
PetoKraus schestowitz: not really Jan 14 19:38
schestowitz 1998 Jan 14 19:38
PetoKraus yeah Jan 14 19:38
tessier_ 1998…those were the good ol’ days…. Jan 14 19:38
schestowitz Welcome to Mcirosoft Windows Jan 14 19:38
PetoKraus it was actually same as XP Jan 14 19:38
PetoKraus though at least Jan 14 19:38
trmanco How do you wanna get old today? Jan 14 19:38
PetoKraus the drivers from vendors on XP worked Jan 14 19:38
schestowitz They’s why they run around projects like VLC. Jan 14 19:39
schestowitz getting people to make up for their incompetence. Jan 14 19:39
trmanco schestowitz, they got there a little late Jan 14 19:39
schestowitz They change APIs and all to actually be more robust/secure Jan 14 19:39
trmanco VLC already ran way before that MS guy got in contact with them Jan 14 19:39
PetoKraus UAC was the most terrible thing they did (remember, i’m comparing with XP) Jan 14 19:39
PetoKraus they block you an application Jan 14 19:39
trmanco it is still terrible Jan 14 19:40
PetoKraus but if you click on another app Jan 14 19:40
PetoKraus the UAC window doesn’t lock the screen Jan 14 19:40
trmanco the say UAc on 7 is less annoying, can you confirm? Jan 14 19:40
PetoKraus but creates a icon on taskbar Jan 14 19:40
PetoKraus which dims in and out Jan 14 19:40
PetoKraus so you fucking wait for something Jan 14 19:40
PetoKraus and it doesnt happen! Jan 14 19:40
PetoKraus because your UAC which was supposed to lock the screen Jan 14 19:40
PetoKraus is dismissed down! Jan 14 19:41
trmanco |May I shutdown?|              *Allow*  *Disallow* Jan 14 19:42
PetoKraus also, the user you create at install time Jan 14 19:42
PetoKraus is admin. Jan 14 19:42
PetoKraus FFS Jan 14 19:42
trmanco it is always like that Jan 14 19:42
PetoKraus why?! Jan 14 19:42
PetoKraus does linux have it like that? Jan 14 19:42
PetoKraus no! Jan 14 19:42
trmanco well, they don’t really think Jan 14 19:42
trmanco It is a “feature” on Windows Jan 14 19:43
trmanco ask them, you will see what they say Jan 14 19:43
PetoKraus yeah Jan 14 19:44
PetoKraus anyway Jan 14 19:44
PetoKraus off for couple of pints Jan 14 19:44
PetoKraus ttyl lads! Jan 14 19:45
PetoKraus and wish me luck editing the two hours of footage Jan 14 19:45
PetoKraus :/ Jan 14 19:45
trmanco good luck, cya Jan 14 19:46
Omar87 http://www.crunchgear.com/2009/01/14/first-patch-for… Jan 14 19:52
trmanco so Windows can’t play DRM media? Jan 14 20:00
trmanco they can’t even get mp3 playback right Jan 14 20:01
schestowitz Cya, PetoKraus Jan 14 20:03
schestowitz tessier, Omar87 that’ll get the DRM perpetrators talking Jan 14 20:03
schestowitz So we’re doing a post tomorrow which the Indian press might pick (again), so it would be invaluable to include more dirt, which someone has just sent me. As you may know, I wrote extensively about Microsoft’s funny business in the financial area. There’s more to it in India too. Jan 14 20:06
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schestowitz New’ education’ scam noted: http://blog.seattlepi.nwsource.com/mic… It’s about lock-in, not education Jan 14 21:10
schestowitz http://www.computerworlduk.com/communit… “That’s not necessarily a bad thing: if the Qt saga shows anything, it is that the free software world thrives on competition. It was Qt’s licence issues that led to the creation of GNOME, and GNOME’s choice of licence that moved Qt progressively closer to the GNU GPL and now the GNU LGPL.” Jan 14 21:13
schestowitz So Glyn is not enthus’ed about it Jan 14 21:14
schestowitz Brit porn filter censors 13 years of net history < http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/01/14/… > Jan 14 21:14
schestowitz Buggers. They block Alexa now? Jan 14 21:14
schestowitz “Four weeks after birthing a nationwide Wikipedia edit ban, Britain’s child porn blacklist has led at least one ISP to muzzle the Internet Archive’s Wayback Machine – an 85 billion page web history dating back to 1996.” Jan 14 21:14
schestowitz “The IWF has now said that it has indeed blacklisted images housed by the Internet Archive. But its guidelines say that blacklisted URLs “are precise web pages” chosen so that “the risk of over blocking or collateral damage is minimised.” “ Jan 14 21:15
schestowitz 156 comments Jan 14 21:15
schestowitz http://www.computerworlduk.com/community/blogs/… Jan 14 21:19
schestowitz Novell’s deal and insinuation have a direct effect on ALL Linux users, distros and developers. Jan 14 21:19
schestowitz You can not trust someone who claims to be your partner and works with you on software and at the same time insinuate that all those partners are illegal and that it is because it paid the extortion demands.” Jan 14 21:19
schestowitz Another article on SCO: http://www.computerworld.com.au/article/27289… Jan 14 21:28
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schestowitz Review of BetaVista7 (it’s horrible): Diving Headfirst into Windows Beta 7 http://www.pcworld.com/article/15704… Jan 14 21:35
schestowitz “I take the Windows 7 Beta plunge and find the waters a bit choppy. [...] Daemon Tools? Won’t even install.” Jan 14 21:35
schestowitz Like PetoKraus wrote, it apparently functions/interacts with very few things Jan 14 21:36
curveball2000 schestowitz, dunno, fine so far here. Jan 14 21:43
curveball2000 schestowitz, Ive not installed TONS of things, but so far , so good. Jan 14 21:44
curveball2000 schestowitz, though a few times yes, Ive had to use ‘compat mode’ wizard Jan 14 21:44
schestowitz I never used Vista, so I don’t know.. Jan 14 21:44
curveball2000 schestowitz, would I rather be using linux fulltime for all my needs, a resounding yes, but atm thats impossible. ;) Jan 14 21:44
MinceR combat mode! Jan 14 21:44
curveball2000 lol Jan 14 21:44
schestowitz I never use Windows in general, but when I was younger I did.. Jan 14 21:44
curveball2000 MinceR, there is that ;) Jan 14 21:45
schestowitz Do the Finish. Jan 14 21:45
schestowitz “Finish him [this app]“ Jan 14 21:45
curveball2000 schestowitz, honestly games hold me back Jan 14 21:45
schestowitz I don’t play games anymore Jan 14 21:46
schestowitz Some people would just purchase a Wii Jan 14 21:46
curveball2000 schestowitz, I have way too many friends ( one mainly ) for whom linux is not an option..at least I dont think , i’d have to try a bit hard with wine maybe and see what unveils itself ;) Jan 14 21:46
schestowitz If one needs to pay for games anyway.. Jan 14 21:46
curveball2000 schestowitz, wii is solid yup Jan 14 21:46
curveball2000 hehe Jan 14 21:46
MinceR even if you have windows-only games, you can dual-boot Jan 14 21:46
curveball2000 and I do Jan 14 21:47
curveball2000 I just sadly  rarely go into linux Jan 14 21:47
MinceR (in this case i mean “won’t run with wine, cedega or crossover gaming” by “windows-only”) Jan 14 21:47
schestowitz Oh wait Jan 14 21:47
schestowitz curveball2000: neighborlee Jan 14 21:47
MinceR (and not in a vm either) Jan 14 21:47
schestowitz OK, that makes sense now Jan 14 21:47
schestowitz I though he was /too/ similar Jan 14 21:47
schestowitz *thought Jan 14 21:47
curveball2000 schestowitz, gosh man your getting slow Jan 14 21:47
curveball2000 :) Jan 14 21:48
schestowitz When did this happen Jan 14 21:48
schestowitz What happened to the neighbour and when did you carev his balls? Jan 14 21:48
schestowitz *carve Jan 14 21:48
curveball2000 ROFL Jan 14 21:48
schestowitz *would be worse if the typo went like “crave” Jan 14 21:48
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neighborlee doubleROFL Jan 14 21:48
neighborlee you are major naughty mr schestowitz LOL Jan 14 21:48
schestowitz Naaa.. Jan 14 21:48
neighborlee not that I dont love it, on some, naughty level myself <ha-ha> Jan 14 21:49
schestowitz I was gonna say “what did you do to the real one?” Jan 14 21:49
neighborlee you asked for it,,now take it like a erahm,,man ;) Jan 14 21:49
schestowitz But curving a ball soinded better Jan 14 21:49
neighborlee lol Jan 14 21:49
neighborlee indeed it did har ;) Jan 14 21:49
schestowitz I’m doing another BECTA post Jan 14 21:49
schestowitz Those crooks are verywhere Jan 14 21:49
neighborlee wth is th at Jan 14 21:49
schestowitz The nice thing is, the more we document in BN, the more links I can find and present Jan 14 21:50
schestowitz You could draw up a ‘crony chart’ Jan 14 21:50
neighborlee what is becta Jan 14 21:50
MinceR lol crave Jan 14 21:50
neighborlee lol Jan 14 21:50
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neighborlee schestowitz, why is jose getting into these LONG diatribes with alex, we already know mono and moonlight are encumbered,,he’s wasting his time Jan 14 21:52
neighborlee which is prob. what they want o_0 Jan 14 21:53
jose dfasf Jan 14 21:53
jose http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20090114/bs_n… Jan 14 21:53
neighborlee o_0 Jan 14 21:53
MinceR fgsfds Jan 14 21:53
jose aapl halted in after hours trading Jan 14 21:53
neighborlee lool Jan 14 21:53
jose jobs takes leave of absence Jan 14 21:53
MinceR yay Jan 14 21:53
MinceR time for apple to die Jan 14 21:53
jose alex is indirectly helping me clarify and discover some details Jan 14 21:54
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neighborlee oh yes steve indeed.. Jan 14 21:54
neighborlee I saw that yesterday,,he sure does look ill Jan 14 21:54
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neighborlee jose, I hope your right ;) Jan 14 21:55
schestowitz neighborlee: read this: Jan 14 21:55
neighborlee jose, you sure do your part ill give you that,,over and above the call of duty ;) Jan 14 21:55
schestowitz http://boycottnovell.com/2009/01/14/… Jan 14 21:55
schestowitz Tell me wot you think! :-) Jan 14 21:55
schestowitz Hey, jose Jan 14 21:55
jose hey… neighborlee: just trying to help bn and others out Jan 14 21:56
schestowitz MinceR: what if not only Apple dies? Jan 14 21:56
jose hey was to schestowitz Jan 14 21:56
schestowitz You know.. Jan 14 21:56
jose “hey” was to schestowitz Jan 14 21:56
MinceR schestowitz: you know i won’t mind :> Jan 14 21:57
schestowitz jose: should I reply to Alex more? Jan 14 21:57
schestowitz He’s like some angry heckler Jan 14 21:57
jose ideally i’d do a write up Jan 14 21:57
jose that’s from my pov Jan 14 21:57
neighborlee schestowitz, I love quote at top ;) Jan 14 21:57
schestowitz It’s draining efforts that can be used to do new posts. Jan 14 21:57
jose not sure what to recommend others do Jan 14 21:57
schestowitz neighborlee: thanks. Jan 14 21:57
schestowitz Tell me about typos too Jan 14 21:57
schestowitz Or lack of clarify Jan 14 21:57
schestowitz jose: if you want to do “guest post”, then mail me. Jan 14 21:58
jose clarity Jan 14 21:58
schestowitz You are very credible in my eyes Jan 14 21:58
jose k thnx Jan 14 21:58
jose well, i’ll try to assume I won’t exactly be believed by everyone reading Jan 14 21:58
schestowitz You can weave in some of the stuff from the comments Jan 14 21:58
schestowitz It’s a big page (like a soft cover handbooks), so I doubt many will keep track Jan 14 21:58
jose i’ll see.. let’s not count the chickens before they’re hatched Jan 14 21:58
schestowitz Red Hat’s CEO stepped down a year ago also for ‘health reasons’ in family Jan 14 21:59
jose it has a lot of sections I will likely be looking at again perhaps to reuse Jan 14 21:59
schestowitz One year later Red Hat still does alright. Jan 14 21:59
jose jobs is appl Jan 14 21:59
jose to a greater extent anyway Jan 14 21:59
schestowitz Call me cynical, but I never trust what ANY company says in its financial ‘results’ Jan 14 21:59
schestowitz It’s a sector of crooks Jan 14 21:59
schestowitz Accountants and all. Cheating is the norm there. Jan 14 22:00
schestowitz jose: yes, without Jobs, the mnotivation of his fans is gone Jan 14 22:00
schestowitz Unlike Gates, a leave for him would mean no work Jan 14 22:00
jose well i’m curious about the motivation of this stockholders Jan 14 22:00
MinceR well, they could still mass-produce shiny crap with an apple logo Jan 14 22:00
MinceR ;) Jan 14 22:00
schestowitz Gates is still working like a workaholic full time (100+ hours/week I bet) Jan 14 22:00
schestowitz Gates just concentrated on things like bribery and corruption now, operating under the umbrella of money for ‘good’ causes Jan 14 22:01
schestowitz “Engraves onto it” Jan 14 22:01
schestowitz They should try that on a sandwich. Jan 14 22:01
schestowitz A $1 hotdog turns to a $10 iDog Jan 14 22:02
neighborlee schestowitz, it looks fine roy. Jan 14 22:02
schestowitz Thanks. Jan 14 22:03
neighborlee schestowitz, and we wonder why they see linux as a cancer ;) Jan 14 22:03
neighborlee np Jan 14 22:03
schestowitz yes, I have lots more to show Jan 14 22:04
schestowitz I’ll need to abbreviate a lot though Jan 14 22:04
schestowitz Cause Comes leads me to neglecting other CURRENT events Jan 14 22:04
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neighborlee jose, sorry I spoke about you in 3rd as I dont see you chat here much I guess, trust me now Im clearly aware I can speak directly to you <eesh> Jan 14 22:06
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neighborlee schestowitz, free vs not free..its all about control and we’re not talking about just companies and software sadly. Jan 14 22:06
schestowitz This is colonialism Jan 14 22:07
schestowitz Not just ins/w Jan 14 22:07
schestowitz But as people who are proficient in software in a world that’s incresingly digital, it’s possible to make a difference Jan 14 22:07
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jose neighborlee, I know. .. what happened with me was that i replied to you and immediately replied to roy Jan 14 22:08
jose it came out confusing Jan 14 22:08
jose neighborlee, when you say that about alex, i had just dropped in.. haven’t dropped in for weeks. Jan 14 22:09
neighborlee jose, ah ok yes ic Jan 14 22:09
jose of course, i timed it perfectly on purpose.. P Jan 14 22:09
neighborlee lol Jan 14 22:09
neighborlee schestowitz, they clearly should be concerned,,their days of a controlling mechanism are hugely numbered ;) Jan 14 22:11
schestowitz Yes, margins gone Jan 14 22:12
schestowitz Watch sub-notebooks.. Jan 14 22:12
schestowitz $5 Windows.. Jan 14 22:12
neighborlee heh Jan 14 22:12
schestowitz Office given to students for bucks.. Jan 14 22:12
schestowitz Google Docs is there… Jan 14 22:12
neighborlee no surprise Jan 14 22:12
schestowitz OOo on broadband… Jan 14 22:12
schestowitz They shiver and executives jump ship Jan 14 22:12
schestowitz They know what’s coming Jan 14 22:12
schestowitz Corrupt exclusionary deals are all they have left Jan 14 22:12
neighborlee I was elated to see ODF as option in wordpad.though sure its not clear unless you choose ‘other fomats’ but still ;) Jan 14 22:13
schestowitz I can’t wait to ‘leak’ the analyst dirty tricks too Jan 14 22:13
neighborlee :) Jan 14 22:13
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neighborlee honesty its too bad they dont just sit back and innovate and leave software in the hands of those that create and share for the betterment of humanity Jan 14 22:14
neighborlee but that would be too hard ;) Jan 14 22:14
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schestowitz Few companies do this Jan 14 22:14
schestowitz Software, like art, is to be commoditised Jan 14 22:14
neighborlee of course Jan 14 22:14
schestowitz Watch what Al Jazeera just did… CC for all the content Jan 14 22:14
schestowitz They are ahead of the world in that sense. Jan 14 22:14
neighborlee missed that apparantly Jan 14 22:15
schestowitz Some idiots guard their film cellars, so nobody has interest in it. Jan 14 22:15
schestowitz Those who share thrive Jan 14 22:15
neighborlee ive been tuned into msnbc lately,,and the mess the burris thing has become etc… Jan 14 22:15
schestowitz Newspaper that block non-subs are dying too Jan 14 22:15
neighborlee newpapers in general Jan 14 22:15
neighborlee course we saw that coming ;) Jan 14 22:16
schestowitz http://opendotdotdot.blogspot.co… Jan 14 22:25
schestowitz Scarcity is created when production is costly Jan 14 22:25
schestowitz Like printing machines Jan 14 22:26
schestowitz Or setting up a concert with musicians playing instruments Jan 14 22:26
schestowitz The MAFIAA tried to maintain old methods of distribution with cost. Jan 14 22:26
schestowitz If someone could build a business model around selling oxygen, s/he would Jan 14 22:26
schestowitz Human nature maybe… the way people are raised Jan 14 22:26
schestowitz Money, money, money… kill whatever’s in the way Jan 14 22:27
schestowitz From the no-shit-sherlock dept.:  http://edition.cnn.com/2009/TECH/01/14/am.arm… ( Army using video games to tempt recruits) Jan 14 22:28
schestowitz It’s a shame when those very same video games train kids who shoot their mom to death Jan 14 22:28
schestowitz These games are supposed to recruit kids to become  killer machines  against Iraqis Jan 14 22:29
schestowitz CES was a slum Jan 14 22:29
schestowitz No new announcement of much substance Jan 14 22:29
schestowitz CES and the recession: What was the impact? http://edition.cnn.com/2009/TECH/01/12… Jan 14 22:29
schestowitz jose: i found a comment of yours in mod queue Jan 14 22:44
schestowitz It’s approved now Jan 14 22:44
jose thnx, i was going to ask but was re-replying differently. Jan 14 22:44
schestowitz I closed comments on items from 2006-08 Jan 14 22:45
schestowitz There was too much spam clogging things up Jan 14 22:45
schestowitz I spent many hours just reading about pills and penis enhancement Jan 14 22:45
PetoKraus did it work? Jan 14 22:45
schestowitz Sometimes there was fetish sex. Jan 14 22:46
PetoKraus oh Jan 14 22:46
jose wow.. that’s interesting you closed it.. it helps preservation.. but dec of 2008 seems too recent.. no? Jan 14 22:46
PetoKraus you should have sent an invite Jan 14 22:46
schestowitz PetoKraus: no, I didn’t click on the URLs in the SPAM. Jan 14 22:46
schestowitz :-) Jan 14 22:46
PetoKraus :) Jan 14 22:46
PetoKraus SPAM SPAM SPAM Jan 14 22:46
PetoKraus glorious spam Jan 14 22:46
schestowitz But it’s annoying to go through nasty things like “horse sex” and “girls sh*t”.. Jan 14 22:46
PetoKraus did you see them both? so did I. Which one is worse? Jan 14 22:47
schestowitz Apparently what’s what people search for, Jan 14 22:47
*tessier_ wonders what the deal with Steve Jobs is Jan 14 22:47
tessier_ And what will happen some day when billg passes on? Jan 14 22:47
schestowitz Cause spammer use that as anchor text Jan 14 22:47
schestowitz One person does not make a corrupt corporation Jan 14 22:48
tessier_ You can’t normally have a peaceful transition of power if the original power is built around a cult of personality, history has shown us. Jan 14 22:48
schestowitz But he raises and recruit like-minded thugs like SteveB Jan 14 22:48
tessier_ Although Vietnam was an exception to that it seems. Jan 14 22:48
tessier_ But perhaps that is because they were in a war and had a very solid control over the people when the leader passed. Jan 14 22:48
schestowitz SteveB has less of a squeaky voice than BillG and he tosses furniture, not bobbing on it Jan 14 22:48
schestowitz tessier: in Vietnam (IIRC) they fakes some leader’s presence. Jan 14 22:49
schestowitz There was some image in El Reg (IIRC) where you can see they GIMPed him in Jan 14 22:49
schestowitz The shadow doesn’t match Jan 14 22:50
schestowitz Maybe it was Korea though Jan 14 22:50
schestowitz Var Guy has some sort of marketing fetish.. http://www.thevarguy.com/2009/01/13/wheres-ope… Jan 14 22:50
schestowitz New master of the world: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wo… Jan 14 22:51
schestowitz my ex-g/f went from studying maths to studying Chinese. Jan 14 22:51
schestowitz This might be handy based on how things turn out Jan 14 22:51
schestowitz School’s links to porn site end < http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technolog… > Jan 14 22:52
schestowitz Mr Uptime now available for Firefox 3 < Jan 14 22:52
schestowitz http://royal.pingdom.com/2009/01… Jan 14 22:52
schestowitz *LOL* Mr. Uptime……. sounds like some V1agra substitute. Jan 14 22:52
zoobab hi Jan 14 22:56
zoobab can someone play those videos with mplayer? Jan 14 22:57
zoobab http://ec.europa.eu/informati… Jan 14 22:57
zoobab I have strange IP adresses here: Jan 14 22:57
zoobab… Jan 14 22:57
tessier_ schestowitz: I’m thinking that was probably Korea and Kim Jung Il. Jan 14 22:57
tessier_ Ho Chi Minh has been dead since 1969 or so. Jan 14 22:57
tessier_ Although nobody knows for sure the exact date he really died. Jan 14 22:57
PetoKraus spam spam spam spammity spaaam Jan 14 22:58
tessier_ Mr. Uptime. Isn’t that the smiling Bob guy from those commercials we used to see on TV a year or two ago? Jan 14 22:58
schestowitz tessier: probably. Military photo that was.. Jan 14 22:58
schestowitz wget… 811271515_ClosingPlenary_harbour_en.wmv Jan 14 23:00
schestowitz –2009-01-14 23:00:24–… Jan 14 23:00
schestowitz Connecting to… connected. Jan 14 23:00
schestowitz HTTP request sent, awaiting response… 200 OK Jan 14 23:00
schestowitz Length: 99 Jan 14 23:00
schestowitz Saving to: `0811271515_ClosingPlenary_harbour_en.wmv’ Jan 14 23:00
schestowitz 100%[===================== ==================>] 99          –.-K/s   in 0s Jan 14 23:00
schestowitz 2009-01-14 23:00:25 (5.86 MB/s) – `0811271515_ClosingPlenary_harbour_en.wmv’ saved [99/99] Jan 14 23:00
zoobab 99 bytes Jan 14 23:00
schestowitz Can anyone help? Jan 14 23:01
zoobab cat 0811271515_ClosingPlenary_harbour_en.wmv Jan 14 23:01
zoobab [Reference] Jan 14 23:01
zoobab Ref1=… Jan 14 23:01
MinceR gn Jan 14 23:03
zoobab you have to replace their http:// by ::s:// Jan 14 23:05
zoobab mms:// Jan 14 23:05
zoobab mplayer -v mms:// 100_InnovationCreativityPart1_en.wmv Jan 14 23:05
jose schestowitz, the var guy wants linux co’s to address that particular market.. perhaps they need partnerships with hw vendors to be competitive. ..not knowing more, i too think linux co should go into that market Jan 14 23:07
*r0ver (n=r0ver@ has left #boycottnovell Jan 14 23:21
schestowitz http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/200… ( YouTube Mutes (Some) Copyrighted Music ) Jan 14 23:23
schestowitz Unabomber Writings To Be Sold Online < http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2009/0… > Jan 14 23:25
schestowitz Memorabilia of a nutcase with an interesting theory on society. Jan 14 23:25
schestowitz Vulnerability in Apple’s Safari http://www.heise.de/english/new… Jan 14 23:27
schestowitz Microsoft closes three holes in Windows http://www.heise.de/english/newstic… Jan 14 23:27
schestowitz http://thebeezspeaks.blogspot.com/… “Mono isn’t getting anywhere (fortunately)” Jan 14 23:32
schestowitz Adopt a (Gnome) hacker for $10 < http://www.tectonic.co.za/?p=3883 > Jan 14 23:34
schestowitz ZDNet is ‘publishing’ adverts again… How to keep your data secure < http://news.zdnet.com/2100-959… > Jan 14 23:39
jose roy, i’m going to take a break for a while.. not sure if i’ll stay on here.. and thnx for the offer. i would *like* to write something up Jan 14 23:43
schestowitz That’s be great Jan 14 23:46
schestowitz *’d Jan 14 23:46
schestowitz “The discussion also mentions Microsoft’s “Unlimited Potential” program as yet another means to ensure early indoctrination of students into Mircosoft.”  http://www.geekzone.co.nz/foobar/6126 Jan 14 23:48
schestowitz Many sites cover the EDGI stuff now Jan 14 23:48
schestowitz I have more coming for a while… Jan 14 23:48
schestowitz Almost 500 comments about this in Slashdot: http://news.slashdot.org/article… Jan 14 23:48
schestowitz We did about 35k pageviews today, all in all. The /. effect if over, but some people subscribed Jan 14 23:49
*neighborlee has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) Jan 14 23:51
schestowitz “It’s popular to hate on Microsoft because of their past behavior. But there’s nothing ‘unethical’ or ‘monopolistic’ about it. It’s normal business competition. You can bet Oracle does it, IBM does it, and just about every other software/services vendor does it.” http://news.slashdot.org/article… — Anthony Papillion, OpenEMR HQ, Inc Jan 14 23:51
schestowitz No, it’s a monopoly Jan 14 23:51
schestowitz So doing this as a monopoly is violation of the law. Jan 14 23:52
schestowitz NOVELLER~1 on “What happens with KDE with Qt license shift?” < http://blogs.zdnet.com/community/?p=152 > Jan 14 23:54
tessier_ http://ldn.linuxfoundation.org/blog-entry/li… Jan 14 23:55
jose later everyone Jan 14 23:55
*jose has quit (“Leaving”) Jan 14 23:55
tessier_ Novell voted most likely to go out of business or be acquired in 2009 Jan 14 23:55
tessier_ http://www.channelinsider.com/c/a/News/Dire-… Jan 14 23:55
tessier_ Although I would hesitate to say that Novell and Sun are “from the open source industry” Jan 14 23:56
tessier_ And this again highlights the problem with the phrase “open source” Jan 14 23:56
schestowitz yes, I agree Jan 14 23:56
schestowitz Novell wants the OSS status for ‘goodwill’ value Jan 14 23:56
schestowitz WHich it does not deserve Jan 14 23:56
schestowitz It would be better if Novell never ‘joined’ Jan 14 23:56
schestowitz S.u.S.E. would have expanded Jan 14 23:57
schestowitz Maybe like Red Hat with a desktop focus Jan 14 23:57
schestowitz It has Mandriva as rival Jan 14 23:57
schestowitz EU: Browsers barometer < http://www.epractice.eu/document/5357 > Jan 14 23:57
tessier_ One ray of hope came Monday, when Dean Baker, co-director of the Center for Economic and Policy Research posted his economic to-do list for US President-Elect barack Obama. Number six on his list? “Funding for the Development of Open Software.” Jan 14 23:57
schestowitz Sun… haha… open source Jan 14 23:57
schestowitz Looks where they make money and how Jan 14 23:57
schestowitz Kind of like IBM Jan 14 23:57
tessier_ pro-Sun folks will always point out how Sun gave us the NFS spec and OpenOffice and Java (*cough*) etc. Jan 14 23:58
schestowitz Lotus… proprietary.. servers… h/w… Jan 14 23:58
schestowitz OOo is an important gift Jan 14 23:58
schestowitz It’s not fair to discount it.. Jan 14 23:58
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