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02.04.09

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Posted in Apple, Finance, Google, Microsoft at 10:50 am by Dr. Roy Schestowitz

“Linux under 1%,” says company with Apple/Microsoft money on its table

YESTERDAY we wrote about the Big Lie which is Net Applications 'statistics'. Even the company admits that its statistics are flawed. Well, guess what? Their Marketing and Strategic Relations writes:

Our Partners/Clients include Microsoft, Apple, Amazon/Alexa, Opera and ExactTarget..”

Mind the order in this list. Additionally, Net Applications is among the minority of Web sites that choose a pure Microsoft stack for hosting.

Well, where else have we seen this recently? Oh yeah, that’s right. Google-hostile ‘statistics’, coming from a company founded by a former Microsoft manager.

Net Applications
Trust is lost when there is money on the table

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16 Comments

  1. Chips B Malroy said,

    February 4, 2009 at 1:15 pm

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    I did some googling on Net Apps a long time ago, as I too suspected they were sort of like a “Just the Facts” type of outfit. While I did not find out as much as you did, I did find out that they used all Microsoft Software Tools to determine what operating system/browser that internet users were using. That seemed odd at the time.

  2. Jordi Ferrando said,

    February 4, 2009 at 5:28 pm

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    Linux at 0.83%! They must be joking. My company has 22 computers between servers, desktops and laptops, half of them run Linux (kubuntu/centos) and the rest Windows. Oh, I forgot, 2 eee-pcs that run ubuntu…
    My personal guess, I bet linux is now between 2 and 5 percent share.

  3. SPM said,

    February 4, 2009 at 5:32 pm

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    Linux at 0.83% is impossible. Just the 30% marketshare of netbooks preloads Linux has is approximately 5% of the desktop market on its own.

  4. Roy Schestowitz said,

    February 4, 2009 at 5:43 pm

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    The Gartner Group said “4%” several months ago and Gartner is, as you probably know, in Microsoft’s pocket (Bill Gates is its investor and Microsoft a major client).

  5. Rich said,

    February 4, 2009 at 6:30 pm

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    Reality check: if it is sponsored by Microsoft, why would they allow Apple to have such a large share? I’m not saying their numbers are correct, but the conspiracy theory just doesn’t sound right.

  6. Jose_X said,

    February 4, 2009 at 6:31 pm

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    I don’t think Gartner has a single client or investor.

  7. Jose_X said,

    February 4, 2009 at 6:33 pm

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    Fix prior statement to:
    I don’t think Gartner has a single client or investor and no other.

  8. aeshna23 said,

    February 4, 2009 at 6:34 pm

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    The Lifehacker website is having some fun with the Net Applications report. They claim that it implies more people are using Hacked Macs than are using Linux:

    http://lifehacker.com/5146174/hackintoshes-possibly-more-popular-than-linux

    If Lifehacker is right, we don’t need any more evidence that Net Applications’ stats are worthless. Creating a hacked Mac is much more challenging than installing a Linux distro.

  9. Roy Schestowitz said,

    February 4, 2009 at 6:42 pm

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    Jose_X,

    Larry Ellison is also a big Gartner investor, but eventually you must look at the numbers that come from each company and what it’s spent on (e.g. any commissioned study to slam Linux?).

    No disclosure, no confidence.

  10. Roy Schestowitz said,

    February 4, 2009 at 6:49 pm

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    aeshna23,

    Yes, I saw that. Watch Safari ‘market share’ and try keeping a straight face.

    Also remember that the US, China, Korea and several other countries have exceptionally low GNU/Linux penetration. As for Apple, it’s big in the US, Japan and parts of Europe. That’s about all.

    Have a look at the methods and you’ll find that not even traffic is measured in the already biased population. They measure something different and cryptic. The sample set is secret too, so it might as well be Apple and Microsoft sites combined (aggregated) with much smaller sites that have negligible impact.

  11. GreyGeek said,

    February 4, 2009 at 7:48 pm

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    In 2004, almost FIVE years ago, ZDNet and CNet were reporting that Linux had already captured 4% of the desktop market and predicted that by 2008 it would hold 8% of the desktop market. (Google it)

    IF Linux desktop market share had dropped 3.2% in the last five years, instead of increasing, it would have made no sense for DELL and other OEMs to offer Linux as an OS choice.

    It is my opinion that the Linux desktop market share IS already at 8% or higher, and rankings to the contrary are merely FUD by those with the most to lose: Microsoft and Apple, but mainly Microsoft. In fact, in some countries of the world Linux desktop market share is over 12% and growing.

  12. Roy Schestowitz said,

    February 4, 2009 at 7:58 pm

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    Brazil quite likely.

  13. darryl said,

    February 5, 2009 at 7:10 am

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    You say MS and Applie are clients,, so what, do you have evidence that MS have been paying Netapps to falsify the figures.

    BTW: the very same figures you use to indicate MS’s decline, in that case you like the results so you use the figures, if you dont like the results you dont like it and you accuse of bribery.

    Cant have it both ways. Then again ive never seen BN let facts get in the way of a good story.

    Why if Netapps was being paid by MS would they put MS OS’s down by 2% ??

    Lets face it, no one cares about OS’s anymore, linux while it could be good has been polluted by elitists, zealots and fanboys. There is a thing in the real world called “Good Will”. Without it you have nothing.

    You think by being spoilt, bitter, negative, whiney you will be given a free “leg up”.

    NO, the only way you make it in this world is by performing, and being responsible, to listen to potential clients, and making it on your own.

    Not sounding like a zealot, fanatic that wants to destroy the western world like a bunch of crazed terrorists.

    Its sad you have stooped so low, sad but not unexpected.

  14. Jose_X said,

    February 5, 2009 at 8:36 am

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    Darryl (if you are the same person), some people left comments for you here http://www.linuxtoday.com/it_management/2009013100635OPMSLL .

    >> the very same figures you use to indicate MS’s decline, in that case you like the results so you use the figures, if you dont like the results you dont like it and you accuse of bribery. ..Cant have it both ways.

    See this comment http://boycottnovell.com/2009/02/04/microsoft-apple-net-applications/#comment-59378 . All of these companies can hide behind secret formulas for how they determine their stats. Unfortunately, there is a significant discrepancy with the stats many others have pulled out.

    So while you could possibly be correct technically if we only look at the writing at the top and ignore all links and all other data, I think there is enough evidence floating around (and linked) which points to companies, like Net Application, keeping secrets yet producing results that coincide positively with those patronizing them.

    Maybe Net Applications meant well (reader can come to their own conclusion). Maybe they simply have an odd methodology that produces results Microsoft, Apple, and others like?

    >> Why if Netapps was being paid by MS would they put MS OS’s down by 2% ??

    Because MS OS is actually down by 4%? [That's just a suggestion.. I don't really know.]

    >> Lets face it, no one cares about OS’s anymore

    Though you say you don’t care, you certainly seem to care.

    And I can tell you that I care tremendously. The OS is the most important software running on any system. It’s what is most responsible for Microsoft being able to “compete” and maintain their various monopolies and monopoly profits.

    Yes, it matters, but I fully expect those sympathizing with Monopolysoft to downplay what is the main reason for the “Monopoly” in Monopolysoft.

    >> There is a thing in the real world called “Good Will”. Without it you have nothing.

    It’s pretty safe to say you were implying boycottnovell does not have it and Microsoft does. I guess this is just one more point where we disagree.


    I think you did not take a good look at this page before, so I will link to it again: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-competitive_practices

  15. chips b malroy said,

    February 5, 2009 at 1:33 pm

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    http://www.netapplications.com/management-team.aspx

    Net Applications Management Team

    Of the 5 top management staff listed, one has clearly worked for Microsoft: Matt Hopkins
    Executive Vice President of Sales and Business Development

    It is also possible that others have, as companies are sometimes owned by MS.

  16. Roy Schestowitz said,

    February 5, 2009 at 1:45 pm

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    Thanks, I didn’t notice that.

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