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02.17.09

IRC: #boycottnovell @ FreeNode: February 17th, 2009 – Part 1

Posted in IRC Logs at 10:34 pm by Dr. Roy Schestowitz

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oiaohm schestowitz: you slipped up.  Redhat Virtualistion deal with MS is after something.   2008 can run a unlimited number of windows servers inside the ms hypervisor under 1 licence. Feb 17 00:20
oiaohm Now if redhat can get the same hello cheep central server running of windows. Feb 17 00:21
schestowitz So who came to who? Feb 17 00:21
oiaohm Redhat has been after the deal for 4 years. Feb 17 00:22
schestowitz Just virt? Feb 17 00:22
oiaohm But would never sign off on patents unless it covered open source. Feb 17 00:22
oiaohm Virt is just a small bit of it. Feb 17 00:22
oiaohm It really shows how weak MS is at moment. Feb 17 00:22
schestowitz I did say this Feb 17 00:23
schestowitz I mean, OK… Feb 17 00:23
schestowitz You said I slipped up. Feb 17 00:24
schestowitz For omission? Feb 17 00:24
oiaohm Yep Feb 17 00:24
schestowitz Because I have a third post coming. Feb 17 00:24
oiaohm Ok Feb 17 00:24
schestowitz First is about Novell slipping up Feb 17 00:24
oiaohm You normally don’t miss little details. Feb 17 00:24
schestowitz I had some /, modpoints today and I picked some stuff there. Feb 17 00:24
oiaohm That are important. Feb 17 00:24
MinceR slashcomma? :> Feb 17 00:24
schestowitz I’ll mention this. Feb 17 00:24
oiaohm Also kvm and qemu are becoming the same thing. Feb 17 00:24
schestowitz MinceR: slashtypo :-) Feb 17 00:25
PetoKraus well it’s about time Feb 17 00:25
schestowitz oiaohm: I’ll attribute this to you. Feb 17 00:25
PetoKraus i’m tired of fkn proprietary Virtualbox Feb 17 00:25
MinceR oiaohm: what are they going to be called? Feb 17 00:25
MinceR PetoKraus: agreed Feb 17 00:25
MinceR though my main issue with virtualbox is its unreliability Feb 17 00:25
PetoKraus (there’s no OSE for amd64) Feb 17 00:25
benJIman If only it were possible to run 32bit software on amd64. Feb 17 00:26
MinceR plus, during the day that has ended about 1h 33m ago, i’ve figured out networking in kvm/libvirt Feb 17 00:26
PetoKraus benJIman: oh come on Feb 17 00:26
PetoKraus you know what i mean Feb 17 00:26
MinceR so now i can move to kvm :) Feb 17 00:26
oiaohm http://ovirt.org/  also I guess redhat will want windows servers to work with there virtualisation management software. Feb 17 00:26
benJIman I have no problem with it on amd64 :) Feb 17 00:26
MinceR (firestarter was completely messing with it) Feb 17 00:26
PetoKraus i don’t want to have whole dependency stack just because of it Feb 17 00:26
PetoKraus and yes Feb 17 00:27
PetoKraus my system is not multilib Feb 17 00:27
PetoKraus because that’s the PROPER way Feb 17 00:27
benJIman Doing it incorrectly. Feb 17 00:27
PetoKraus no Feb 17 00:27
PetoKraus doing it like a wank… NOT. Feb 17 00:27
MinceR (actually, mostly a cow orker did the figuring out for me.) Feb 17 00:28
oiaohm Redhat vitiralisation is KVM that is also tightly bound to QEMU.  I thinkt that is you question MinceR Feb 17 00:29
oiaohm KVM also support Linux kernel page sharing. Feb 17 00:29
benJIman Yes having my pain free openoffice, wine, games, virtualbox et al is so inconvenient. Feb 17 00:29
MinceR i mean, after qemu and kvm merge, what are they going to call the result? Feb 17 00:30
*benJIman sleeps. Feb 17 00:30
oiaohm kvm will remain kvm as the kernel module Feb 17 00:30
oiaohm qemu will remain qemu for the userspace parts. Feb 17 00:30
oiaohm Neither is naming changing. Feb 17 00:30
MinceR so qemu will be called qemu even if it relies on kvm? Feb 17 00:31
MinceR i remember having a kvm executable, that’s why i’m asking. Feb 17 00:31
oiaohm kvm executable will go by by. Feb 17 00:31
MinceR ic Feb 17 00:31
MinceR makes sense. Feb 17 00:31
oiaohm Insead qemu will be able to run using kvm or using internal emulation. Feb 17 00:31
oiaohm or still the old kernel mode speed up. Feb 17 00:32
PetoKraus benJIman: well, let me tell you one thing. Ooo works under amd64, native. I don’t care about wine, i play only FOSS games nowadays, most of which are ported to amd64. The virtualisation is the only thing which is annoying me, just because there is no FOSS version of VBox, when there’s FOSS version of 32bit VBox and prop version of 64bit VBox Feb 17 00:32
PetoKraus got my point? Feb 17 00:32
PetoKraus now, honestly Feb 17 00:32
PetoKraus SHUT THE FIRTH UP! Feb 17 00:32
MinceR :D Feb 17 00:32
benJIman I find the 64bit OOo quite unstable compared to the 32bit build. Feb 17 00:32
PetoKraus yeah Feb 17 00:32
PetoKraus I find YOU being novell troll Feb 17 00:32
oiaohm 64 bit OOo from who benJIman Feb 17 00:33
PetoKraus but hey Feb 17 00:33
oiaohm 64 bit OOo from openoffice download page is good. Feb 17 00:33
PetoKraus maybe if you used vanilla packages Feb 17 00:33
oiaohm 64 bit from go-oo suxs. Feb 17 00:33
PetoKraus but that doesnae work for yee, benjeeeboy Feb 17 00:33
oiaohm Yes the novell one. Feb 17 00:33
PetoKraus i guess you finally grasped my point Feb 17 00:34
PetoKraus now, let’s go back to sleep. Feb 17 00:34
benJIman Your point seems to be that “not being able to run 32bit apps is better than being able to run them” which doesn’t seem to make sense. Feb 17 00:34
benJIman Anyway it’s late. /me sleeps. Feb 17 00:34
PetoKraus oh for god’s sake Feb 17 00:35
PetoKraus where are you from Feb 17 00:35
oiaohm I think brain is overrun with lack of sleep. Feb 17 00:35
PetoKraus or is absent completely Feb 17 00:35
PetoKraus who votes for 2? Feb 17 00:35
PetoKraus my bloody point is, that i don’t see a reason, why there is 32bit OSE edition not 64bit OSE edition, when there are both 32bit and 64bit proprietary editions. Feb 17 00:36
MinceR it’s because sun hates floss Feb 17 00:37
MinceR and they hate you unless you buy solaris and all that crap from them Feb 17 00:37
PetoKraus kick it in the head then Feb 17 00:37
MinceR while they posture as teh great floss guys Feb 17 00:37
schestowitz Novell/SUSE people like benJIman advocate the flaky forks of OOo, notably Go-OOXML Feb 17 00:41
schestowitz OOo never crashed on me… not that I can remember such an incident… ever. Feb 17 00:42
schestowitz And I use an AMD 64 CPU in 32 bit mode on this partition. Feb 17 00:43
schestowitz The Ubuntu box (32 bit) at work never had OOo crashes, either. Feb 17 00:43
schestowitz With kate and OOo I’d fell comfortable working for long periods of time without saving because data is never lost by accident.. same with Firefox. It just works. Feb 17 00:45
PetoKraus yeah Feb 17 00:46
PetoKraus the other day i was sending my CV somewhere Feb 17 00:47
PetoKraus they had limit 100kB on a file Feb 17 00:47
PetoKraus the PDF just wouldn’t fit! Feb 17 00:47
PetoKraus i had to print the odt to postscript Feb 17 00:47
schestowitz Or a DOC with a trail of invisible junk Feb 17 00:47
PetoKraus open it in evince Feb 17 00:47
PetoKraus and print it to pdf Feb 17 00:47
schestowitz Sites should not do this upload thing Feb 17 00:48
schestowitz People can upload their CV to some Webspace (even Google something) Feb 17 00:48
schestowitz Then people like recruiters can be given the URL Feb 17 00:48
PetoKraus 260kB pdf from OOo vs 19kB pdf printed like that Feb 17 00:48
schestowitz You can keep it up to date this way Feb 17 00:48
schestowitz No “we’ve noticed that you haven’t updates your CV for XX months, please come and upload it again” Feb 17 00:49
PetoKraus yeah Feb 17 00:49
PetoKraus linkedin is a nice thing though Feb 17 00:49
PetoKraus i think i’m gonna join it soon Feb 17 00:50
PetoKraus anyway Feb 17 00:50
PetoKraus good night, tomorrow’s long day Feb 17 00:50
schestowitz I can’t find my account there in Google Feb 17 00:53
schestowitz Ah well… Feb 17 00:53
oiaohm Alter the export options PetoKraus Feb 17 00:56
oiaohm I have had over sized openoffice one reduce a lot from open office turning a few thing off. Feb 17 00:57
oiaohm Turn off bookmarks and lock the export dpi cuts size down massively PetoKraus Feb 17 00:58
oiaohm OpenOffice defaults to 1200 DPI Feb 17 00:59
oiaohm Most cases that is overkill. Feb 17 00:59
oiaohm O well Have to tell him when it turns up again. Feb 17 01:00
MinceR there is no ‘overkill’. there is only ‘open fire’ and ‘reload’. Feb 17 01:00
MinceR :> Feb 17 01:00
oiaohm PDF form mode as about 15 kb even if document is not a form. Feb 17 01:01
oiaohm Yes some areas of OpenOffice export to PDF need kicking. Feb 17 01:01
oiaohm Scan doc work out what is needed then export not export and pray. Feb 17 01:01
MinceR gn Feb 17 01:03
schestowitz oiaohm: the engine is Free sofwtare Feb 17 01:03
oiaohm I really have to learn enough of OpenOffice one day to fix a more critical problem. Feb 17 01:04
oiaohm Spell checking without a dic returns no matter what you have typed as spelt correctly. Feb 17 01:04
schestowitz I think I know about it Feb 17 01:07
schestowitz 3.1 will have grammar checking built in Feb 17 01:07
schestowitz Not that I find these things to be more than a distraction, esp. if you type fast and require proofreading anyway Feb 17 01:08
oiaohm Not exactly built in. Feb 17 01:08
oiaohm 3.1 has grammer checking hooks so third party engines like languagetool can work prefectly. Feb 17 01:08
balzac what’s up my nizzles? Feb 17 01:09
schestowitz Gotta eat some shizzles Feb 17 01:10
MinceR ew Feb 17 01:11
balzac one dude, one cup Feb 17 01:12
MinceR exactly Feb 17 01:12
schestowitz Waddup with FSDaily? Feb 17 01:12
balzac not sure, is there no new content? you should ask dave what’s up. Feb 17 01:13
balzac snoop used “shizzle” in place of sure Feb 17 01:13
schestowitz Not much activity Feb 17 01:13
balzac fo shizzle mah nizzle Feb 17 01:13
schestowitz I’ve listened to snoop since I was like 14 Feb 17 01:13
balzac too bad he went soft on marijuana Feb 17 01:13
balzac right after he got the cover of high times magazine Feb 17 01:14
schestowitz the #groklaw channel is empty too Feb 17 01:14
balzac then he says he’s done with pot Feb 17 01:14
schestowitz Same with #distrowatch.. Feb 17 01:14
balzac now he’s smokin again Feb 17 01:14
balzac maybe that’s from a netsplit Feb 17 01:14
schestowitz * Now talking on #distrowatch Feb 17 01:14
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schestowitz <guy> hello Feb 17 01:14
schestowitz <schestowitz> hey Feb 17 01:14
schestowitz <guy> what’s new ? Feb 17 01:14
schestowitz <guy> i’m using mandriva 2008.1 Feb 17 01:14
schestowitz <schestowitz> same here Feb 17 01:14
schestowitz <schestowitz>  mandriva 2008.1 Feb 17 01:14
schestowitz <schestowitz> <schestowitz> same here Feb 17 01:14
schestowitz <guy> works on my sony laptop Feb 17 01:14
balzac my friend steve hager is the editor of high times magazine Feb 17 01:14
schestowitz Smoking… Marlboro? Feb 17 01:15
balzac he could use some more support from snoop Feb 17 01:15
schestowitz Fo’ shizzle! Feb 17 01:15
balzac snoop ought to do the cover of high times again and swear his allegience to the chronic lifestyle evermore Feb 17 01:15
balzac to make up for losing heart Feb 17 01:16
schestowitz Ahhh… the Chronic Feb 17 01:18
schestowitz Aaagghh#@@#$ Digg has been so f*ing broken recently. Feb 17 01:49
schestowitz Pages /may/… randomly… actually load PROPERLY Feb 17 01:49
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schestowitz Ron Paul  was OK.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?… Feb 17 02:33
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schestowitz Funny how Fox sneaks in all the propaganda footage… … Feb 17 02:44
schestowitz http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7JPvbVs… Feb 17 02:44
schestowitz Here they are getting their arse kicked :-) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ctlm… Feb 17 02:53
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MethodOne just submitted the “bn” acronym for boycott novell on acronymfinder.com Feb 17 03:19
schestowitz Cool! Thank you. Feb 17 03:19
schestowitz This guy cites us: http://ottawaboy.blogspot.com/2009/02/micros… “To all those yokels trumpetting how Microsoft is suddenly helping out Red Hat Linux ..yeah ..stop trumpeting. They do that all the time. And then later betray you. Quit that.” Feb 17 03:23
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MethodOne twitter, do you actually use twitter? Feb 17 04:30
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oiaohm http://uptime.netcraft.com/perf/r… hmm where are the 2008 servers. Feb 17 07:43
oiaohm http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?s…  Aparently MS is not eating there latest product. Feb 17 07:48
MinceR http://tech.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/02/16/… Feb 17 07:51
oiaohm Photoshop is growing teeth. Feb 17 07:55
oiaohm I somehow can see people in time moving to wine so its teeth are not harmful. Feb 17 07:56
PetoKraus oiaohm: thanks for tip Feb 17 07:56
PetoKraus and good morning Feb 17 07:56
oiaohm Its good night I will be disappearing to tea soon PetoKraus Feb 17 07:57
PetoKraus :) Feb 17 07:58
PetoKraus you from? Feb 17 07:58
PetoKraus AU? Feb 17 07:58
oiaohm Australia Feb 17 07:58
oiaohm Yep Feb 17 07:58
oiaohm I have used openoffice for years I know where most of its annoyances are. Feb 17 07:59
oiaohm Compared to MS Office 2007 its friendly. Feb 17 07:59
PetoKraus one more question if i may Feb 17 07:59
PetoKraus how the hell do you insert a text field :D Feb 17 07:59
PetoKraus i’ve been struggling with that one for about two years Feb 17 08:00
oiaohm That is one area I don’t have prefect myself. Feb 17 08:03
PetoKraus :) k Feb 17 08:04
PetoKraus see you later Feb 17 08:04
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MinceR hay Feb 17 09:32
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schestowitz Hey Feb 17 10:56
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schestowitz BN’s Netcraft rank climbed to 2300th on the Web this morning :-) Feb 17 11:11
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schestowitz Novell still operates at huge losses. Layoffs are liekly this week Feb 17 11:54
schestowitz oiaohm: i quote you.. Feb 17 11:54
schestowitz http://boycottnovell.com/2009/02/17/red-ha… Feb 17 11:58
schestowitz http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/0… Feb 17 12:03
schestowitz Feuding iPhone fart-makers raise legal stink <  http://www.theregister.co.uk… > Feb 17 12:03
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schestowitz Cool. We’re cited in ComputerWorld and other such ‘big’ sites (PCWorld): http://www.pcworld.com/article/159615/microsoft_red… Feb 17 12:16
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oiaohm Nice schestowitz Feb 17 12:37
schestowitz We made FP of LinuxToday Feb 17 12:38
oiaohm That is good work. Feb 17 12:42
oiaohm Also going to lead to server strain. Feb 17 12:42
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oiaohm There is a real bad chance that slashdot will follow soon. Feb 17 12:42
oiaohm You did you backups recently schestowitz? Feb 17 12:43
schestowitz Yes, but not tested them Feb 17 12:43
schestowitz I need to check if I can put mysql on the Fedora boxe Feb 17 12:43
oiaohm The nightmares of these major news events. Feb 17 12:44
oiaohm Poor server strain. Feb 17 12:44
schestowitz No, I don’t have a mysql front end Feb 17 12:45
schestowitz -bash-3.2$ apropos mysql Feb 17 12:45
schestowitz mysql-libs          (rpm) – The shared libraries required for MySQL clients Feb 17 12:45
schestowitz mysql_table []       (5)  - Postfix MySQL client configuration Feb 17 12:45
schestowitz Let’s try Ubuntu PCs Feb 17 12:45
schestowitz roy@baine:~$ mysql Feb 17 12:46
schestowitz The program ‘mysql’ is currently not installed.  You can install it by typing: Feb 17 12:46
schestowitz sudo apt-get install mysql-client-5.0 Feb 17 12:46
schestowitz -bash: mysql: command not found Feb 17 12:46
oiaohm I normally isntall graphical on Ubuntu and fedora. Feb 17 12:47
oiaohm Simpler. Feb 17 12:47
schestowitz Madriva community edition doesn’t let the user get it off the repos Feb 17 12:47
oiaohm I am still waiting on my debain dvd to download. Feb 17 12:48
oiaohm i386 and 64 in one as a backup incase all goes wrong. Feb 17 12:48
schestowitz http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?lts… “I suppose it is clear that both Red Hat and Microsoft feel they they can gain something with this deal. Customers will most likely, I suppose.” Feb 17 12:55
oiaohm MS hopes costomers. Feb 17 12:56
schestowitz ” Is it moonshine…  or is it monkey rum? I don’t like it because there’s Microsoft in there somewhere. But I like having a competitor to Flash that encourages Adobe to keep supporting Linux.” http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?l… Feb 17 12:57
schestowitz oiaohm: “hopes” or “ropes” Feb 17 12:57
oiaohm Redhat long term plans include desktop. Feb 17 12:57
oiaohm Redhat + MS server os’s + working Linux desktop.  O hell Feb 17 12:58
oiaohm Now you need windows licences to run those bugger programs that cannot be ported quicky. Feb 17 12:58
oiaohm MS basically hopes customers. Feb 17 12:59
oiaohm If you had read the redhat virtualisation projects.  They include running virtual os on demard for individual users. Feb 17 13:00
schestowitz Time sharing.. Feb 17 13:02
schestowitz MS  can use the EULA against it, which it does. Feb 17 13:02
oiaohm 2008 server? Feb 17 13:02
oiaohm EULA has a clause that allows it. Feb 17 13:03
oiaohm Its a really interesting read.   You can run as many 2008 servers on a single hyper-v system even transfer them to other hyper-v servers.  Then also allow graphical remote administation. Feb 17 13:04
oiaohm Redhat has really key reasons to want to try to get 2008 virtual under there system with the same clause. Feb 17 13:05
oiaohm Now lets see how far Redhat can push this. Feb 17 13:05
schestowitz I’m not so delighted about this.. Feb 17 13:11
oiaohm Also thing people forget is MS called Feb 17 13:11
oiaohm Redhated KVM backwards. Feb 17 13:11
oiaohm Redhat has really given up no ground. Feb 17 13:12
oiaohm MS could have always worked out a hacked up way to make redhat work under there hypervisor. Feb 17 13:12
oiaohm Open specs do cause that problem. Feb 17 13:12
oiaohm MS is the only one that has really given up anything. Feb 17 13:12
oiaohm Now Redhat working with MS to take over the computer world that is a major problem. Feb 17 13:21
oiaohm Redhat always finds way to extract money. Feb 17 13:22
schestowitz So what’s in it for Microsoft? Feb 17 13:24
schestowitz Microsoft benefits from this. How so? Feb 17 13:24
oiaohm That is my problem. Feb 17 13:26
oiaohm Benifits for MS are limited. Feb 17 13:26
oiaohm Slows down businesses from doing full conversions and dumping wndows completely. Feb 17 13:27
schestowitz So who loses other than NOVL? http://www.itwire.com/content… Feb 17 13:27
oiaohm Gives MS a chance of having a cluster management system that works on the most comon OS used in bigger systems. Feb 17 13:27
oiaohm Really NOVL does not lose. Feb 17 13:28
oiaohm The real loser is cyrix the owner of Xen. Feb 17 13:28
schestowitz Citrix? Feb 17 13:29
oiaohm Yep Citrix Feb 17 13:29
oiaohm They sold out to microsoft allowing MS to make Hyper-v. Feb 17 13:29
oiaohm Now in the future Hyper-v and Xen might to be used at all. Feb 17 13:29
oiaohm So they are the big losser in this. Feb 17 13:29
oiaohm Novel can alter to using KVM just as much as anything else. Feb 17 13:30
oiaohm Only thing Novel lost is execuitlivity.   Citrix could have basically lost there complete market. Feb 17 13:30
schestowitz I don’t view it like this. Feb 17 13:31
schestowitz Citrix does MS a favour Feb 17 13:31
schestowitz Same with EMC (for VMware) Feb 17 13:31
oiaohm No Citrix got something in return. Feb 17 13:32
oiaohm means to thin client windows. Feb 17 13:32
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oiaohm they were prepared to sell there soul for it. Feb 17 13:32
oiaohm And it going to turn out not to be worth it. Feb 17 13:33
oiaohm Xen had tried many ways to get that. Feb 17 13:35
oiaohm As with all MS deals what you get from them in most cases turns out to be worthless long term. Feb 17 13:38
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PetoKraus i guess Beranger’s move to yet another CMS is nice time to stop looking at his blog Feb 17 14:17
PetoKraus especially he’s a wank and want’s me to move my feed to the new location Feb 17 14:18
PetoKraus for goodness sake, can’t he just replace the feeds? Feb 17 14:18
MinceR i think RHEL did work under m$’s hypervisor, the only thing they wanted is that RH provide official support for it. Feb 17 14:18
oiaohm Yep it did. Feb 17 14:19
oiaohm Because novel could. Feb 17 14:19
oiaohm Remember shared kernel source. Feb 17 14:19
oiaohm RHEL really has not given up much. Feb 17 14:19
oiaohm Does it stop redhat recommending against Hyper-v nop. Feb 17 14:20
schestowitz PetoKraus: let me see……… Feb 17 14:23
schestowitz Hehe! WordPress. Feb 17 14:23
schestowitz PetoKraus: I ditched him over a month ago. Been happier since. Radu lost his way….. Feb 17 14:24
schestowitz oiaohm: let’s see if this stops the FUD Feb 17 14:25
schestowitz If Microsoft retracts the threats, *that* would be progress. Feb 17 14:25
oiaohm the game is a foot. Feb 17 14:25
oiaohm Now that MS has done that deal with redhat others could ask for the same deal. Feb 17 14:25
oiaohm Before MS knows where they are they could be up to there ears in OS’s. Feb 17 14:26
schestowitz http://beranger.org/index.php?page=3k ; http://beranger.org/index.php?page=diary Feb 17 14:26
schestowitz He’s maintaining a very fragmented Web site Feb 17 14:26
oiaohm Deck of cards. Feb 17 14:26
schestowitz oiaohm: yes, I thought about that] Feb 17 14:27
oiaohm We both know how bad Word press is. Feb 17 14:27
oiaohm If you don’t know how to set it up right it drives you nuts. Feb 17 14:27
MinceR 153115 < oiaohm> the game is a foot. Feb 17 14:28
MinceR Gnome? :> Feb 17 14:28
schestowitz http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn… “This agreement, however, is not a problem. “ Feb 17 14:28
schestowitz oiaohm: I’ve done WP for 5 years. It got a lot easier. Feb 17 14:29
schestowitz I didn’t even have theme management at the time, so it all needed to be done manually. Feb 17 14:29
schestowitz http://boycottnovell.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/… Feb 17 14:29
oiaohm You know like me what brings it down schestowitz Feb 17 14:33
oiaohm Question is how long until beranger brings it in on him self. Feb 17 14:33
schestowitz You think he’ll ‘retire’ again? Feb 17 14:35
schestowitz Is the original LinuxHater still active? Feb 17 14:36
oiaohm Its funny with Linuxhater he is trying to start up the Linux hates windows. Feb 17 14:36
oiaohm And vice verser. Feb 17 14:36
oiaohm Does not work with a person like me that hates parts of windows hates parts of mac and hates parts of Linux. Feb 17 14:36
schestowitz Seems like itch-scratching, but what’s the point? Feb 17 14:36
oiaohm Ok lot of myths about Linux turn up there. Feb 17 14:37
oiaohm Binary compadiblity has to be the biggest one going. Feb 17 14:37
oiaohm Linux kernel and low level librarys put nothing in the way of distributions being binary compadible. Feb 17 14:37
oiaohm Only thing is the package manager distributitor of application uses that really creates the wall. Feb 17 14:38
oiaohm Linux hater is getting desperate.  Trying to create new insulting terms.  COCK. Certainty, Optimism, Conviction, and KDE Feb 17 14:39
oiaohm Problem is COCK applies to windows users they just don’t know it yet. Feb 17 14:40
schestowitz Acronym, eh? Feb 17 14:40
oiaohm Yep use to work in the past. Feb 17 14:40
oiaohm Create a new term start to being thrown at each other start a big flamewar. Feb 17 14:41
oiaohm Note KDE works on windows. Feb 17 14:41
oiaohm He is even slipping. Feb 17 14:41
schestowitz KDE is very good.. Feb 17 14:42
schestowitz North Atlantic is world’s ‘climate superpower’ < http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg20126955.400-n… > Feb 17 14:42
schestowitz Dell might embrace Android: http://community.zdnet.co.uk/blog/0,100… Feb 17 14:44
oiaohm Windows mobile is dead in the water. Feb 17 14:45
oiaohm Everything it is competing against is either a maker internal OS or a free one. Feb 17 14:45
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oiaohm Phones are cut throat. Feb 17 14:46
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schestowitz Nokia is chopped beaf. Feb 17 14:48
oiaohm Yep Nokia cannot work out exactly where they are going. Feb 17 14:48
schestowitz It’s likely to reluctantly lean more and more on Maemo, over time… but Android too would be tempting. It has given revealing interviews to Reuters about its Linux lust. Feb 17 14:49
oiaohm All they know is they are going to keep on producing phones. Feb 17 14:49
oiaohm No matter the OS on them. Feb 17 14:49
oiaohm People will always want small device to put in pocket. Feb 17 14:49
schestowitz People pay for UIs, not h/w… in reality, not technically. Feb 17 14:49
schestowitz Nokia makes money selling h/w, but people don’t choose based on s/w Feb 17 14:49
schestowitz */hw Feb 17 14:49
PetoKraus well Feb 17 14:50
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PetoKraus people usually choose on price Feb 17 14:50
PetoKraus or on what can it do Feb 17 14:50
schestowitz That too, but Feb 17 14:50
PetoKraus which is a mesh of both, hw and soft Feb 17 14:50
schestowitz Some people pay over $1000 for iPhone lockin Feb 17 14:50
schestowitz To RENT a phone Feb 17 14:50
PetoKraus yeah Feb 17 14:50
PetoKraus but that falls under the first category Feb 17 14:50
PetoKraus like my uncle Feb 17 14:50
PetoKraus he was told he can get an iphone for £2 on his contract Feb 17 14:51
oiaohm Now nokia has to provide the UI users want. Feb 17 14:51
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PetoKraus and his contract is quite huge (£100 a month) Feb 17 14:51
oiaohm So nokia is not locked in. Feb 17 14:51
PetoKraus so he was like “i don’t care, i’ll change the phone back to what I owned before if i don’t like it” Feb 17 14:51
oiaohm Now selling for a price means you cannot be buying OSs. Feb 17 14:51
oiaohm That is MS problem the two biggest companies they can sell there OS to are not interested in paying more than 0 dollars. Feb 17 14:52
oiaohm Issue MS has they don’t want the desktop market turning into that or they are completely sunk. Feb 17 14:54
schestowitz An open-source solution for planning aorta stent grafts < http://www.springerlink.com/content… > Feb 17 14:55
schestowitz oiaohm: that’s why Microsoft needs to make phone (hw Feb 17 14:55
schestowitz there’s no guarntee it won’t be another Zune-like disaster that loses a fortune. Feb 17 14:56
schestowitz Rumurs revolve around an nvidia collab Feb 17 14:56
schestowitz But nvidia has just announced an Android collab Feb 17 14:56
oiaohm That is exactly the problem. Feb 17 14:56
oiaohm With nokia they produce a bunch of phones and they find out people don’t want that OS. Feb 17 14:57
schestowitz Same with MS stores Feb 17 14:57
schestowitz MS stores = MS sells h/w Feb 17 14:57
oiaohm They can in theory refirmware them with another OS. Feb 17 14:57
oiaohm What can MS do. Feb 17 14:57
schestowitz Because s/w becomes a commodity Feb 17 14:57
oiaohm MS re firmwaring there phones with any of the Open OS’s is going to bring hell down on them. Feb 17 14:57
oiaohm Nokia has sold MS phones in the past because people wanted them. Feb 17 14:58
oiaohm I see MS stores as a disaster. Feb 17 14:58
oiaohm Its not like apple stores have really done apple a lot of good. Feb 17 14:59
schestowitz http://blogs.sun.com/GullFOSS/ent… ( Finally: Anti Aliasing is done for OOo 3.1!) Feb 17 14:59
schestowitz http://twitter.com/glynmoody/stat… “Only took 5 years.” Feb 17 14:59
oiaohm http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopic…  << Ok this could be fun Feb 17 15:04
schestowitz Whitehall devised torture policy for terror detainees < http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/fe… > Feb 17 15:04
schestowitz Anti-terror tactics ‘weaken law’ < http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wor… >. 21st century is a return to early 20th century fascism. Feb 17 15:05
PetoKraus hmm Feb 17 15:06
PetoKraus so end of march, aye? Feb 17 15:06
PetoKraus it seems like march/april will be full of FOSS goodness Feb 17 15:06
PetoKraus (the new xorg stack is quite likely to fall in that time as well) Feb 17 15:07
schestowitz 2009 in general. Feb 17 15:07
schestowitz I’m pretty happy with what’s already here (KDE 3.5.x, LyX, Kate, KNode, etc.) Feb 17 15:07
PetoKraus yeah Feb 17 15:07
PetoKraus i’d really like E17 to be finally pushed out of the door Feb 17 15:08
schestowitz “All in all, about 500.000 lines of code were changed/rewritten (CWSes aw024, aw033, aw059). Doesn’t sound like a dead project, does it? If You are interested in more details, You may follow the task’s description and its discussions and links.” Feb 17 15:08
schestowitz Then Novell takes it, slaps some MOON and MS VB on it, calls it Go-OOXML and slanders Sun for it. Feb 17 15:09
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PetoKraus yeah Feb 17 15:09
schestowitz “A VERY unique headphone dubbed Beats, branded by none other than Dr. Dre, is on review at Hardware Canucks. *cough* $399 *cough*.” http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/017… ( Dr. Dre gets into hardware) Feb 17 15:10
PetoKraus http://trac.enlightenment.org/e/… Feb 17 15:11
PetoKraus if someone is interested Feb 17 15:11
schestowitz Canon tries to shut down Fake Canon blog < http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/0… > Feb 17 15:12
schestowitz PetoKraus: any good linux demos/videos? Feb 17 15:12
PetoKraus no, not really Feb 17 15:12
PetoKraus just release todo list Feb 17 15:12
schestowitz Sky to replace 90,000 HD boxes < http://news.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/hi/technol… > Feb 17 15:15
balzac “Exploring the reality behind exclusionary deals with Microsoft and their subtle (yet severe) implications” [publicly logged] Feb 17 15:15
balzac 15:02 <@schestowitz> Rumurs revolve around an nvidia collab Feb 17 15:15
balzac 15:02 <@schestowitz> But nvidia has just announced an Android collab Feb 17 15:15
balzac 15:02 < oiaohm> That is exactly the problem. Feb 17 15:15
balzac 15:02 < oiaohm> With nokia they produce a bunch of phones and they find out people don’t want that OS. Feb 17 15:15
balzac 15:02 <@schestowitz> Same with MS stores Feb 17 15:15
balzac 15:02 <@schestowitz> MS stores = MS sells h/w Feb 17 15:15
balzac 15:02 < oiaohm> They can in theory refirmware them with another OS. Feb 17 15:15
balzac 15:03 < oiaohm> What can MS do. Feb 17 15:16
balzac 15:03 <@schestowitz> Because s/w becomes a commodity Feb 17 15:16
balzac 15:03 < oiaohm> MS re firmwaring there phones with any of the Open OS’s is going to bring hell down on them. Feb 17 15:16
balzac 15:03 < oiaohm> Nokia has sold MS phones in the past because people wanted them. Feb 17 15:16
balzac 15:04 < oiaohm> I see MS stores as a disaster. Feb 17 15:16
balzac 15:04 < oiaohm> Its not like apple stores have really done apple a lot of good. Feb 17 15:16
balzac 15:05 <@schestowitz> http://blogs.sun.com/GullFOSS/entry/final… ( Finally: Anti Aliasing is done for OOo 3.1!) Feb 17 15:16
balzac 15:05 <@schestowitz> http://twitter.com/glynmoody/sta… “Only took 5 years.” Feb 17 15:16
balzac 15:10 < oiaohm> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/ho…  << Ok Feb 17 15:16
balzac                 this could be fun Feb 17 15:16
balzac 15:10 <@schestowitz> Whitehall devised torture policy for terror detainees < http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009… > Feb 17 15:16
balzac 15:11 <@schestowitz>  Anti-terror tactics ‘weaken law’ < http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/7892387.stm >. 21st century is a return to early 20th century Feb 17 15:16
balzac                      fascism. Feb 17 15:16
balzac 15:12 < PetoKraus> hmm Feb 17 15:16
balzac 15:12 < PetoKraus> so end of march, aye? Feb 17 15:16
balzac 15:12 < PetoKraus> it seems like march/april will be full of FOSS goodness Feb 17 15:16
balzac 15:12 < PetoKraus> (the new xorg stack is quite likely to fall in that time as well) Feb 17 15:16
balzac 15:13 <@schestowitz> 2009 in general. Feb 17 15:16
zer0c00l some one please kick Feb 17 15:16
balzac 15:13 <@schestowitz> I’m pretty happy with what’s already here (KDE 3.5.x, LyX, Kate, KNode, etc.) Feb 17 15:16
balzac 15:13 < PetoKraus> yeah Feb 17 15:16
oiaohm Ok what the heck is balzac Feb 17 15:16
balzac 15:13 < PetoKraus> i’d really like E17 to be finally pushed out of the door Feb 17 15:16
balzac 15:14 <@schestowitz> “All in all, about 500.000 lines of code were changed/rewritten (CWSes aw024, aw033, aw059). Doesn’t sound like a dead project, does it? Feb 17 15:17
balzac                      If You are interested in more details, You may follow the task’s description and its discussions and links.” Feb 17 15:17
PetoKraus i’d say Feb 17 15:17
balzac 15:14 <@schestowitz> Then Novell takes it, slaps some MOON and MS VB on it, calls it Go-OOXML and slanders Sun for it. Feb 17 15:17
PetoKraus unlucky middleclick Feb 17 15:17
PetoKraus :D Feb 17 15:17
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balzac 15:15 < PetoKraus> yeah Feb 17 15:17
balzac 15:16 <@schestowitz> “A VERY unique headphone dubbed Beats, branded by none other than Dr. Dre, is on review at Hardware Canucks. *cough* $399 *cough*.” Feb 17 15:17
balzac                      http://www.theinquirer.net/inqu… ( Dr. Dre gets into hardware) Feb 17 15:17
balzac 15:17 < PetoKraus> http://trac.enlightenment.org/e/… Feb 17 15:17
balzac 15:17 < PetoKraus> if someone is interested Feb 17 15:17
balzac 15:18 <@schestowitz>  Canon tries to shut down Fake Canon blog < http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/031/1051031… > Feb 17 15:17
balzac 15:18 <@schestowitz> PetoKraus: any good linux demos/videos? Feb 17 15:17
balzac 15:18 < PetoKraus> no, not really Feb 17 15:17
balzac 15:18 < PetoKraus> just release todo list Feb 17 15:17
balzac 15:21 <@schestowitz> Sky to replace 90,000 HD boxes < http://news.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/hi/technolog… > Feb 17 15:17
MinceR balzac: /server purge Feb 17 15:17
schestowitz Zombie? Feb 17 15:17
balzac [15:21] [balzac(+ei)] [4:freenode/#boycottnovell(+cnt)] [Act: 3,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12] Feb 17 15:17
balzac [#boycottnovell] sorry Feb 17 15:17
balzac stupid mouse doesn’t have a middle click button Feb 17 15:17
balzac http://news.cnet.com/8301-13505_… Feb 17 15:17
PetoKraus yeah Feb 17 15:17
balzac redhat and microsoft sittin in a tree Feb 17 15:17
PetoKraus :) Feb 17 15:17
PetoKraus classic Feb 17 15:17
balzac that’s pretty annoying Feb 17 15:17
balzac dude, one mouse fumble Feb 17 15:17
zer0c00l seems like Feb 17 15:17
balzac get over it Feb 17 15:17
balzac the scroll wheel can serve as the middle mouse button, but it just happened to grab a whole screen of text and then paste it Feb 17 15:17
MinceR also, irssi is supposed to ask whether you want to paste Feb 17 15:18
schestowitz LOL Feb 17 15:18
balzac it did, but I didn’t know all that was in the buffer Feb 17 15:18
MinceR iirc it’s set to do that for 5 lines or more by default Feb 17 15:18
schestowitz I thought you went insane :00 Feb 17 15:18
zer0c00l LOL Feb 17 15:18
zer0c00l me too Feb 17 15:18
zer0c00l :) Feb 17 15:18
zer0c00l i asked to kick u? :D Feb 17 15:18
MinceR in any case, once you realize what’s going on, /server purge is supposed to stop it Feb 17 15:18
oiaohm I was not too sure. Feb 17 15:18
balzac it’s a consumer grade mouse. My other mouse has a middle button and I use to paste into xterms and emacs all the time Feb 17 15:19
PetoKraus yeah Feb 17 15:19
oiaohm I have seen bots malfunton that way. Feb 17 15:19
balzac i’m surprised that it all went into the channel Feb 17 15:19
PetoKraus xchat actually shows you what are you going to paste Feb 17 15:19
balzac http://news.cnet.com/8301-1350… Feb 17 15:19
schestowitz XChat sets limits, that’a all. Feb 17 15:19
balzac what’s up with redhat and microsoft? Feb 17 15:19
oiaohm I am on Konversation Feb 17 15:19
oiaohm If you try to do that it spits up a nice little message. Feb 17 15:20
schestowitz balzac: see BN posts (3 of them) Feb 17 15:20
oiaohm So what client are you using balzac Feb 17 15:20
balzac lemme check em out Feb 17 15:20
balzac irssi Feb 17 15:20
oiaohm Ok I will not touch irssi with a 10 foot pole. Feb 17 15:20
balzac irssi running inside a screen session on my development server Feb 17 15:20
zer0c00l oiaohm: konversation has proxy traversing support? Feb 17 15:20
balzac come on, it was the frigging mouse! Feb 17 15:20
oiaohm I have crushed a mouse with a 21 inch CRT before. Feb 17 15:21
Casperin I won’t touch a mouse with a 10 foot pole now Feb 17 15:21
oiaohm On this machine. Feb 17 15:21
schestowitz oiaohm: real mouse? Feb 17 15:21
oiaohm My computer mouse Feb 17 15:21
oiaohm Had to get a new one. Feb 17 15:21
zer0c00l :D Feb 17 15:21
schestowitz oiaohm: a mouse called “computer”? Not “Ben”? Feb 17 15:22
oiaohm Ie the mouse pluged into the computer. Feb 17 15:22
schestowitz Yo, benJIman !! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ben_(song) Feb 17 15:22
oiaohm So lot of bad things happened. Feb 17 15:22
oiaohm Never had to run konveration threw proxy. Feb 17 15:23
balzac irssi asked me for confirmation anyway Feb 17 15:23
PetoKraus that makes you a wank ;) Feb 17 15:23
zer0c00l oh Feb 17 15:23
zer0c00l i use xchat Feb 17 15:23
balzac as the saying goes “the problem exists between the chair and the desk” Feb 17 15:24
PetoKraus you should blame irssi even if you’re at fault Feb 17 15:24
balzac i quit using xchat because I like irssi inside of a screen session Feb 17 15:24
PetoKraus yeah Feb 17 15:24
oiaohm Just don’t confirm something like that again balzac Feb 17 15:24
balzac the chair and the computer Feb 17 15:24
oiaohm I had some irc clients in the past that paste gone. Feb 17 15:24
schestowitz http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/20… (Using Fear to Sell Pens, Part Two) “This ad, for a Uni-ball pen that’s hard to erase, is kind of surreal. They’re using fear to sell pens — again — but it’s the wrong fear. “ Feb 17 15:25
balzac i’ve only just begun my day and my aderral hasn’t kicked in yet Feb 17 15:25
balzac give me slack Feb 17 15:25
zer0c00l http://arun-sag.blogspot.com/20… Feb 17 15:25
zer0c00l it was my first talk on GNU/Linux Feb 17 15:25
zer0c00l i have attached my poor presentation Feb 17 15:25
zer0c00l grabbed some pics from boycottnovell too :) Feb 17 15:25
*schestowitz looks Feb 17 15:26
schestowitz Haha. Feb 17 15:27
schestowitz “Let them eat Vista” Feb 17 15:27
schestowitz At first glance at all the slides, it looks god Feb 17 15:27
schestowitz *good Feb 17 15:27
balzac vista actually sounds kind of good Feb 17 15:27
balzac too bad the software stinks Feb 17 15:27
zer0c00l :D Feb 17 15:27
oiaohm Any restrictions on using you presetation zer0c00l Feb 17 15:28
oiaohm Particularly if its suitable using it at a computer club here. Feb 17 15:28
schestowitz http://www.prwatch.org/node/8218 “The former chairman of the banking and insurance group HBOS, Lord Stevenson, and chief executive Andy Hornby, along with the Royal Bank of Scotland’s Sir Tom McKillop and Sir Fred Goodwin, appeared before a British parliamentary committee and profusely apologized for their role in the financial meltdown of the banks they had directed. “ Feb 17 15:28
schestowitz Vista means “vision”… but what /of/? Feb 17 15:29
schestowitz Visions of Doom (for Windows) Feb 17 15:29
zer0c00l yeah Feb 17 15:29
zer0c00l i told them about M$ dumping Feb 17 15:29
zer0c00l Most of them got convinced Feb 17 15:29
zer0c00l :) Feb 17 15:29
zer0c00l even a faculty shared her experience with me on “how M$ people pushed them to use their os for operating systems lab” Feb 17 15:29
schestowitz Poor VistA had its bbrand name ruined (veterans’ healthcare system) Feb 17 15:29
zer0c00l It seems  “M$ people depicted “fork” system call as inefficient “ Feb 17 15:30
zer0c00l no restrictions Feb 17 15:30
zer0c00l :D Feb 17 15:30
zer0c00l modify it for your needs Feb 17 15:30
zer0c00l :) Feb 17 15:30
schestowitz Microsoft behaves like an organisation of ‘professional’ drug addicts Feb 17 15:30
zer0c00l I going to compile a whole new article on Gnu/Linux and M$ dumping and send those things to college management officials Feb 17 15:31
schestowitz Like the tobacco industry, they’ll be marginalised over time when people recognise the mortal consequences. Feb 17 15:31
zer0c00l yeah Feb 17 15:31
balzac redhat went soft Feb 17 15:31
zer0c00l They want students to get addicted Feb 17 15:31
schestowitz balzac: not really. Feb 17 15:31
balzac I think it’s kind of lame for them to make that deal Feb 17 15:31
schestowitz zer0c00l: no Feb 17 15:31
oiaohm Ok not the best target for my market Feb 17 15:31
schestowitz They want to drape their own pockets Feb 17 15:31
zer0c00l no? Feb 17 15:32
oiaohm zer0c00l: well designed for unis that suffer from dumping problems. Feb 17 15:32
schestowitz 1. Microsoft wants to addicts kids; 2. Microsoft offers favours to faculty members; 3) faculties become accomplices Feb 17 15:32
oiaohm I am dealing with people 50+ Feb 17 15:32
balzac Running gnu/linux as a virtual server on top of windows is an abomination Feb 17 15:32
oiaohm Unless I am dealing with the gamers. Feb 17 15:32
schestowitz There need to be laws against certain types of s/w and those who promote it or –worse– FORCE is upon kids Feb 17 15:32
schestowitz You could make a term for it Feb 17 15:32
schestowitz Like “software molestation” Feb 17 15:32
balzac If I were CEO of RedHat, I’d be openly disparaging M$ like Scott McNealy did all those years. Feb 17 15:32
schestowitz Software molestation is the act of forcing a young adult or kid to be filthily  subjugates to demands or political movements that are disguised as s/w houses. Feb 17 15:33
schestowitz *gated Feb 17 15:34
oiaohm Time of MS dominaton is breaking. Feb 17 15:34
oiaohm Expect MS to get more despreate to hold on to market. Feb 17 15:34
balzac I’m happy Redhat got the NYSE deal and I’m half-way interested in RedHat Certification, but I’m starting to wonder if I’d feel like a clown with an RHCE cert. Feb 17 15:34
zer0c00l “software molestation ” this phrase  looks strong!!! gr8 Feb 17 15:35
zer0c00l this M$ marketting always doing false campaign Feb 17 15:35
zer0c00l “They want schools to use their NT servers to teach students operating systems” Feb 17 15:35
balzac I probably don’t want an RHCE certification on my resume. Sure it would get me hired in this place or that, and probably increase my income, but I’d be potentially losing my dignity. Feb 17 15:35
zer0c00l *operating systems course Feb 17 15:35
zer0c00l but when the faculty asked them about the source code of their system calls they went silent Feb 17 15:36
oiaohm And the effect of that gave birth to reactos. Feb 17 15:36
oiaohm MS fails to see the long term picture a lot. Feb 17 15:36
zer0c00l balzac: why you feel so? Feb 17 15:36
zer0c00l balzac: Dont want to learn RHCE? Feb 17 15:37
balzac zer0c00l: because RedHat is mixed source, not 100% free software. Feb 17 15:37
zer0c00l balzac: enlighten me Feb 17 15:37
oiaohm No commerical distribution is pure 100% free software Feb 17 15:37
balzac zer0c00l: I’ll be happy to learn GNU/Linux systems administration, Redhat among other distros. Feb 17 15:37
oiaohm to be correct most distributions that work well are not 100 percent free software. Feb 17 15:38
balzac I’ll be advocating Redhat for the enterprise and I do on Disruptech.com Feb 17 15:38
*zer0c00l agrees with oiaohm Feb 17 15:38
balzac yeah, but that doesn’t mean it can’t happen. I think inevitably, these archaic licenses will fall by the wayside. Feb 17 15:38
balzac But I advocate Redhat out of “spite” against Novell, and as well to gain a commission on a deployment deal. Feb 17 15:39
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    IP Kat and Bristows (overlaps exist) are still pretending that the UPC is coming because reality doesn’t seem to matter anymore, only self-serving agenda



  4. Canonical Continues to Help Promote Windows Instead of GNU/Linux or Ubuntu

    Thrice in the past week alone Canonical used the official “Ubuntu Blog” to help Microsoft instead of GNU/Linux and it is part of a disturbing trend which lends credibility to jokes or rumours about a Microsoft takeover; it's not like many people use this thing, either (Canonical helps Microsoft shore up a dying/languishing EEE attempt)



  5. Links 27/5/2020: CoreOS Container Linux Reaches Its End-Of-Life, 2020 GNOME Foundation Elections Coming

    Links for the day



  6. IRC Proceedings: Tuesday, May 26, 2020

    IRC logs for Tuesday, May 26, 2020



  7. GNEW Seedlings vs. Free Software Deforestation

    “The idea of the GNEW Project really is about keeping the goals of the GNU Project alive — hopefully, they won’t destroy or co-opt too much of the GNU Project, that people like the Hyperbola devs can’t fix it with BSD.”



  8. Joi Ito Already Admitted on the Record That Bill Gates Had Paid MIT Through Jeffrey Epstein

    An important exhibit for the accurate historical record (because MIT has been trying to deny truth itself)



  9. It's Convenient to Call All Your Critics Nuts and/or Jealous

    Bill Gates antagonists are not motivated by hatred or jealousy but a sense of injustice; spoiled brats who break the law aren’t a source of envy any more than mass murderers are subject of admiration



  10. Real History of Microsoft and How It Became 'Successful'

    New video that contains a portion about the history of Microsoft -- the part paid-for 'journalists' (paid by Microsoft and Bill Gates) rarely or never speak about



  11. Hostility and Aggression Towards Staff That Does Not Use Windows After Windows Takes Entire Hospital Down

    Microsoft Windows, with NSA back doors, continues to take hospitals offline (with records copied by criminals if not stolen by effectively locking the originals out of reach for ransom money); but guess who’s being punished for it…



  12. They Came, They Saw, We Died...

    It cannot be overstated that we're under attack (or a "Jihad" against Linux as Bill Gates himself put it) and failing to act upon it will be costly as time may be running out and our groups are being 'bought off' by Microsoft in rapid succession, as per the plan/strategy



  13. The GitHub Takeover Was an Extension of Microsoft's War on GPL/Copyleft (Because Sharing Code to Anyone But Microsoft is 'Piracy')

    Licences that make it easier for Microsoft to 'steal' (or a lot harder for Free software to compete against proprietary software) are still being promoted by Microsoft; its GitHub tentacles (see GitHub's logo) further contribute to this agenda



  14. ZDNet is Totally a Microsoft Propaganda Machine

    The site ZDNet has become worse than useless; it lies, defames and launders the reputation of famous criminals (that's the business model these days)



  15. When Microsoft's Mask Falls (or When Times Are Rough)

    Microsoft loves Linux in the same sense that cats love mice (they might play with them until they get hungry)



  16. Careers in Free Software Aren't Careers in the Traditional Sense

    With historic unemployment rates and people 'stranded' inside their homes there's still demand and need for technology; these times of adaptation present an opportunity for Software Freedom



  17. Embrace, Extend, Extinguish 2020 Edition

    Embrace, Extend, Extinguish (E.E.E.) is alive and well, but the corrupt (paid by Microsoft) media isn't talking about it anymore; in fact, it actively cheers and encourages people/companies to enter the trap



  18. Links 26/5/2020: SHIFT13mi GNU/Linux Tablet, Linux Kodachi 7.0 and Some Qt Releases

    Links for the day



  19. EPO Propaganda on Steroids (or on EPO)

    What EPO management is saying and what is actually happening



  20. Breton (EU) 'Joins' Team UPC to Help His Buddy Battistelli... Again

    As expected, Breton acts as little but an EPO tool, looking to prop up supremacy of patent litigation over science and innovation



  21. Removing Free/Libre Software as an Inadequate Response to Microsoft Windows (With Back Doors) Getting Compromised, Killing People

    GNU/Linux takes the blame (in a sense) for incidents that are purely the fault of Microsoft and its deficient software with deliberate back doors; it's believed that this boils down to opportunistic retaliation against those looking for a solution to the problem (or merely speaking about the problem)



  22. IRC Proceedings: Monday, May 25, 2020

    IRC logs for Monday, May 25, 2020



  23. Under Distributed Denial of Service Attacks Lately, But We're Too Robust For Those

    Efforts to take Techrights offline have been ramped up lately; but it's not working and it hardly even distracts us from publishing



  24. The Art of Giving: Why Free Software Will Inevitably Survive Attacks Against It

    Societies that share and look after their peers/neighbours will always be better off than predatory societies, which breed exploitation, distrust, discord and eventually systemic collapse



  25. 'Journalism' in 2020: Far More Articles About What Computer Linus Torvalds Bought Than About Linux Releases

    Yesterday's (or late Sunday's) Linux announcement (RC7) is symptomatic of a broader issue we've long spoken about; it restricts people's ability to express an opinion, which can cloud any meritorious and substantial debate about technical matters journalists cannot grasp or comment on (it takes more effort and research)



  26. Links 25/5/2020: Wrapland Redone, DebConf20 Plans, Many More Games

    Links for the day



  27. Media Covers WSL Like People Actually Use This Trash (a Failed Distro Which Only Works With Windows)

    Lots of abundantly redundant puff pieces have appeared in paid-for (by Microsoft) media this past week covering WSL/2, but that's grossly disproportional to the people who care and actually use those types of things (because money talks, not technical substance)



  28. Working From Home on Patent Monopolies Would Lower Their Quality and Perceived Legitimacy

    The patent system wherein people grant monopolies from their sofas and bedrooms isn't helping the already-eroded perception/image of patent offices that mostly grant patents to massive multinationals (and far too many patents overall)



  29. The Attitude of António Campinos Toward Courts and Toward Justice Same as Benoît Battistelli's

    6 years down the road we're still dealing with unaccountable tyrants who laugh at the law, laugh at lawmakers and disregard law enforcers (like the Trump regime across the Atlantic)



  30. IRC Proceedings: Sunday, May 24, 2020

    IRC logs for Sunday, May 24, 2020


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