| balzac | I'd like to see Ubuntu get more competetive | Feb 17 15:39 |
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| PetoKraus | hah | Feb 17 15:40 |
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| PetoKraus | competetive with what? | Feb 17 15:40 |
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| balzac | Redhat is all well and good, but it's not like I can really invest a great deal of ego in the brand. | Feb 17 15:40 |
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| balzac | Redhat | Feb 17 15:40 |
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| zer0c00l | today i got access to one of the windows server for installing wamp..."when i tried to open a video a player called "nero show time came up" and asked me some thing like "Patent activation required" when click cancel..it refused to play the file for me... :( then i opened it with vlc player... | Feb 17 15:40 |
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| zer0c00l | is it DRM ? | Feb 17 15:41 |
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| zer0c00l | or some thing? | Feb 17 15:41 |
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| zer0c00l | "nero show time" | Feb 17 15:41 |
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| schestowitz | Try with kaffeine | Feb 17 15:42 |
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| schestowitz | It opens everything I throw at it | Feb 17 15:42 |
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| zer0c00l | schestowitz: thats windoze server .. i took remote desktop to install wamp | Feb 17 15:42 |
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| zer0c00l | yeah | Feb 17 15:42 |
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| zer0c00l | but its the first time: i am being restricted by patents | Feb 17 15:43 |
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| zer0c00l | "Patent activation required" | Feb 17 15:43 |
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| zer0c00l | :( | Feb 17 15:43 |
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| zer0c00l | click here to download activation | Feb 17 15:43 |
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| zer0c00l | thats vague | Feb 17 15:43 |
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| zer0c00l | do you want the screen shot ? | Feb 17 15:44 |
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| zer0c00l | "well patents are used for getting royalties i guess" | Feb 17 15:46 |
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| zer0c00l | they trying to get money from me for using their codec ? | Feb 17 15:46 |
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| schestowitz | I didn't get the file | Feb 17 15:46 |
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| zer0c00l | i have just started the transfer | Feb 17 15:47 |
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| zer0c00l | its still waiting | Feb 17 15:47 |
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| schestowitz | Codecs should be like WWW.. patent-free... that's what Ogg is for | Feb 17 15:47 |
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| zer0c00l | will send it by mail | Feb 17 15:47 |
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| schestowitz | FF 3.1 will make Ogg widely supported, so then we need to pressure broadcaster to bury anything but ogg. | Feb 17 15:47 |
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| PetoKraus | well | Feb 17 15:47 |
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| PetoKraus | that's a broad statement | Feb 17 15:48 |
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| PetoKraus | i'd like to bury flash and silverlight | Feb 17 15:48 |
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| *DCC RECV connect attempt to zer0c00l failed (err=Connection timed out). | Feb 17 15:48 |
| PetoKraus | but i don't really feel any fear from mp3 | Feb 17 15:48 |
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| PetoKraus | i mean, i'm in europe, right? | Feb 17 15:48 |
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| PetoKraus | the patents do not apply here, right? | Feb 17 15:48 |
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| schestowitz | Just implementation (copyrights) | Feb 17 15:49 |
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| schestowitz | They give you a file and say "no matter how you decode it -- even with own algo -- you must pay us" | Feb 17 15:49 |
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| balzac | RedHat should kick down $50,000,000 to GNU and the FSF and call it RedHat GNU/Linux | Feb 17 15:49 |
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| schestowitz | Then they spread those files all over the world to cage you. | Feb 17 15:49 |
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| PetoKraus | balzac: ? | Feb 17 15:50 |
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| balzac | make a deal with Solaris and offer RedHat GNU/Solaris as well | Feb 17 15:50 |
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| balzac | and market GNU solutions | Feb 17 15:50 |
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| PetoKraus | how would it help? | Feb 17 15:50 |
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| schestowitz | To whom? | Feb 17 15:50 |
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| schestowitz | Inve$$$ors? | Feb 17 15:50 |
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| schestowitz | Freedom? | Feb 17 15:50 |
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| schestowitz | People? | Feb 17 15:50 |
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| balzac | well, the FSF and GNU would have a hard time trying to spend all that, so they could just sit on it. | Feb 17 15:50 |
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| schestowitz | NewKKKons? | Feb 17 15:50 |
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| PetoKraus | to anyone | Feb 17 15:50 |
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| balzac | It's just chump change to a multi-billion dollar company | Feb 17 15:51 |
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| balzac | GNU could invest it in HURD development | Feb 17 15:51 |
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| balzac | hardware compatibility for the HURD | Feb 17 15:51 |
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| schestowitz | RHT already invests in Linux | Feb 17 15:51 |
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| schestowitz | A lot | Feb 17 15:51 |
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| balzac | RedHat is just another company run by share-holders, greedy executives and PR hacks. | Feb 17 15:51 |
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| schestowitz | Yes | Feb 17 15:51 |
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| balzac | Linux you said | Feb 17 15:51 |
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| balzac | I'm talking about GNU | Feb 17 15:51 |
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| schestowitz | Same | Feb 17 15:51 |
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| schestowitz | Intel, H-P, IBM.. | Feb 17 15:52 |
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| balzac | not really | Feb 17 15:52 |
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| PetoKraus | yeah, not really | Feb 17 15:52 |
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| schestowitz | *Same refers to Linux | Feb 17 15:52 |
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| PetoKraus | I'd like to see GNU/Hurd | Feb 17 15:52 |
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| balzac | I want to see GNU/Hurd reach an advanced stage of development | Feb 17 15:52 |
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| PetoKraus | :D | Feb 17 15:52 |
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| schestowitz | The log sequences is deceiving | Feb 17 15:52 |
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| balzac | The problem is, the Linux faction has been working hard to marginalize GNU and the FSF | Feb 17 15:53 |
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| balzac | Redhat has definitely been in the "open source" faction, not the "free software" community. | Feb 17 15:54 |
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| balzac | For those reasons, i don't think I want an RHCE cert. | Feb 17 15:54 |
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| balzac | To me, it would be almost like wearing a McDonalds hat. | Feb 17 15:55 |
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| balzac | Let them show their appreciation for the head-waters of their prosperity | Feb 17 15:55 |
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| balzac | proportional to how much they've gained | Feb 17 15:55 |
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| balzac | I'm not talking about Linux, I'm talking about GNU and the FSF | Feb 17 15:55 |
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| MinceR | do we even need certs? | Feb 17 15:56 |
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| balzac | they do help an employer to assess your level of technical competence | Feb 17 15:56 |
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| schestowitz | ""Half of the charges made against the four men behind the notorious file-sharing website The Pirate Bay have been sensationally dropped on day two of the trial" :-D http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/02/1... | Feb 17 15:56 |
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| balzac | and familiarity with specific software | Feb 17 15:56 |
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| MinceR | it is unlikely to match the set of competence/software the employer really needs | Feb 17 15:57 |
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| schestowitz | They still try to fight the Web, no matter what actually constitutes infringement (not port/protocols) | Feb 17 15:57 |
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| schestowitz | balzac: look who's at Red Hat | Feb 17 15:57 |
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| schestowitz | Michael Tiemann | Feb 17 15:57 |
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| schestowitz | Open Source Initiative President.. | Feb 17 15:57 |
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| balzac | yeah | Feb 17 15:57 |
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| schestowitz | KDE has become more Free software oriented | Feb 17 15:58 |
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| schestowitz | Esp. after some issues like OOXML corruptions from Microsoft and OSI Tojanism | Feb 17 15:58 |
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| balzac | The OSI is a vestigial organ | Feb 17 15:58 |
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| balzac | I don't pay them any attention | Feb 17 15:58 |
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| schestowitz | Well, don't toss it | Feb 17 15:58 |
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| schestowitz | Remember they are still on your side | Feb 17 15:59 |
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| balzac | they really arent | Feb 17 15:59 |
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| schestowitz | Same with Apple tools like Asay | Feb 17 15:59 |
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| balzac | they're just there | Feb 17 15:59 |
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| schestowitz | Don't knock those who help the cause in different ways or different levels. | Feb 17 15:59 |
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| schestowitz | That would just make us more divided | Feb 17 15:59 |
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| balzac | division is good | Feb 17 15:59 |
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| schestowitz | Microsoft's Orwell-inspired approach of ruining our vocabulary (e.g. shared source, ms-pl) should be rejected | Feb 17 16:00 |
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| schestowitz | But no infighting where it is not a lost cause (e.g. Novell0 | Feb 17 16:00 |
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| schestowitz | Division is bad, it's not good | Feb 17 16:00 |
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| schestowitz | That's how unions are broken | Feb 17 16:00 |
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| balzac | it's not in-fighting if the people aren't sharing your ideology | Feb 17 16:00 |
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| schestowitz | That's how authorities (software ones too) keep people stupid and helpless/hopeless | Feb 17 16:00 |
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| schestowitz | balzac: no two minds intersect | Feb 17 16:01 |
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| balzac | open source is not free software and doesn't concern its self with computer users' freedom in general | Feb 17 16:01 |
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| schestowitz | See, not everyone agrees with you on RHT | Feb 17 16:01 |
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| schestowitz | So you reconcile some things | Feb 17 16:01 |
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| schestowitz | Our real issue is people who sabotage, bribe, and balackmail as a business model | Feb 17 16:01 |
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| balzac | i'll advocate their software over novell | Feb 17 16:01 |
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| balzac | but when ubuntu comes of age, perhaps I won't be pushing redhat for the enterprise. | Feb 17 16:02 |
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| schestowitz | centos? | Feb 17 16:03 |
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| schestowitz | Red Hat used a lot of volunteer time, so using its clones is no sin. | Feb 17 16:04 |
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| balzac | I'm having good luck with Ubuntu. | Feb 17 16:04 |
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| balzac | blag is the most interesting, I think | Feb 17 16:04 |
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| balzac | I'm happy about the de-blobber script which was developed by blag and is also used by gnewsense | Feb 17 16:04 |
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| balzac | but it's sad that this junk goes into the software upstream and then it needs to be cleaned up by downstream distros, as an after-thought. | Feb 17 16:05 |
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| schestowitz | Or the opposite | Feb 17 16:05 |
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| schestowitz | E.g. Mint | Feb 17 16:05 |
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| schestowitz | Spread Ogg, fight .NET/Mono (to help GPL Java).... | Feb 17 16:06 |
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| balzac | and fight flash too | Feb 17 16:06 |
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| balzac | Roy, have you read Saul Alinsky? | Feb 17 16:07 |
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| schestowitz | Journalism Isn't Dead: More Journalism Projects Getting Funded < http://techdirt.com/articles/200902... > | Feb 17 16:08 |
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| schestowitz | I haven't, no.. | Feb 17 16:09 |
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| schestowitz | If only we could get support from ibiblio or something... | Feb 17 16:09 |
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| schestowitz | Never tried.... | Feb 17 16:09 |
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| balzac | the reason I ask is because people tend to bring his name up when discussing coalition building | Feb 17 16:09 |
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| balzac | I haven't personally read his books | Feb 17 16:09 |
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| balzac | I'm a bit more inclined toward demagoguery than coalition building | Feb 17 16:09 |
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| balzac | If I can make anyone squirm at Redhat, Google, or any other company which depends heavily on GNU/Linux about how small the annual budget of the FSF is, I'm ok with being viewed as un-diplomatic. | Feb 17 16:12 |
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| schestowitz | Berman like...? | Feb 17 16:15 |
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| schestowitz | http://bermanexposed.org/ | Feb 17 16:16 |
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| schestowitz | I mean, wrt coalition. | Feb 17 16:16 |
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| balzac | well, I'm forthright about it. Berman is a puppeteer. | Feb 17 16:16 |
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| schestowitz | Google invests in code (GSOC), not philosophy and recovery from society's ills | Feb 17 16:17 |
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| schestowitz | Google is run by suits in Connecticut or whatever. The question to be asked it always, "how can we turn it to profit?" | Feb 17 16:17 |
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| balzac | yeah, but money is more liquid than GSOC grants | Feb 17 16:18 |
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| schestowitz | If there is a PR opportunity and the cameras are on, that too can be profitable. | Feb 17 16:18 |
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| balzac | google's people oversee the GSOC projects | Feb 17 16:18 |
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| schestowitz | Companies never take account of factors like environment, rights, employee welfare, etc. | Feb 17 16:19 |
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| balzac | I want to see money $$$ from Google et al >> GNU & FSF | Feb 17 16:19 |
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| schestowitz | That's a deficiency introduced long ago when corporations were handled as though they were individuals without accountability for anything. | Feb 17 16:19 |
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| balzac | they need to pay tribute to the GNU-Father | Feb 17 16:19 |
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| schestowitz | .You mean, the Holy Linus? | Feb 17 16:19 |
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| balzac | I mean RMS | Feb 17 16:20 |
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| balzac | I want to see GNU/HURD usher in the era of mainstream LISP | Feb 17 16:20 |
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| schestowitz | Shills army: http://www.bermanexposed.org/as... | Feb 17 16:21 |
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| balzac | http://disruptech.com/content/gnu-father | Feb 17 16:21 |
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| schestowitz | It's truly disgusting how this country is run. In a proper society, some of these people would be behind bars | Feb 17 16:22 |
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| balzac | or at least sued into poverty for libel and slander | Feb 17 16:22 |
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| balzac | and fraud | Feb 17 16:22 |
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| balzac | sued and fined, I mean | Feb 17 16:22 |
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| schestowitz | Google F*ING shills now. | Feb 17 16:23 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2009/... "Google Japan hired a Japanese company called Cyberbuzz, who paid bloggers as much as $100 to write about a new search widget. This was a clear violation of Google’s rules, which Google has aggressively and publicly enforced over the past couple of years, much to many directory operators’ chagrins. " | Feb 17 16:23 |
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| schestowitz | Disgusting! | Feb 17 16:23 |
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| schestowitz | balzac: these people libel activists and volunteers too | Feb 17 16:25 |
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| schestowitz | They deserve jail or something worse. These are criminals. | Feb 17 16:25 |
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| balzac | it's an industry euphemistically called "reputation management". It's like Chomsky's "manufacturing consent" and the other PR-industry euphamism "perception management". | Feb 17 16:26 |
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| balzac | except that "reputation management" is likely to involve trench warfare on message boards and irc chat rooms involving repetetive personal attacks. | Feb 17 16:26 |
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| schestowitz | Criminals Using Skype, Say Italian Police < http://www.pcworld.com/article/1596... >. Criminals also eat at restaurants, go out to nightclubs and use the urinals. | Feb 17 16:29 |
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| balzac | no kidding | Feb 17 16:30 |
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| balzac | criminals caught nourishing themselves with the aid of utensils, forks and spoons to be outlawed. | Feb 17 16:30 |
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| schestowitz | Yes, the whole PR society is highly unethical | Feb 17 16:30 |
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| schestowitz | Entire countries are run on spin advertising, nowadays just known as "spin" | Feb 17 16:30 |
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| *schestowitz must be careful of surveillance inside burritos. | Feb 17 16:31 |
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| balzac | The most brazen are the ones who come out and attack someone decent in a vile way at an inappropriate time | Feb 17 16:36 |
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| balzac | Glenn Beck attacks katrina victims while they're homeless | Feb 17 16:36 |
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| schestowitz | Who's that? | Feb 17 16:36 |
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| balzac | Limbaugh attacks Michael J Fox, mocking his neuro-degenerative disorder | Feb 17 16:36 |
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| schestowitz | Katrina was an 'inside job' ;-) | Feb 17 16:37 |
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| balzac | A blood-drinking, goose-stepping, cannibal swine who has his own show on CNN | Feb 17 16:37 |
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| balzac | Bush de-funded the Army Corps of Engineers | Feb 17 16:37 |
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| schestowitz | Oh.. | Feb 17 16:37 |
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| balzac | Then neglected the victims | Feb 17 16:37 |
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| jose | schestowitz, wanted to let you know that Sam Dean's piece http://ostatic.com/blog/novell-delivers... has not accepted comments from me in a couple of days (before the last batch of comments appeared). | Feb 17 16:37 |
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| schestowitz | Kind of like the O'Reilly neocon then, eh? | Feb 17 16:37 |
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| schestowitz | Who attacks people before he even give them a chance to talk. | Feb 17 16:38 |
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| balzac | Glenn Beck recently "tearfully" praised 9/11 widows, whom he had also attacked on behalf of Bush. | Feb 17 16:38 |
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| balzac | These guys are even more brazen and offensive than Bill O'Reilly | Feb 17 16:38 |
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| schestowitz | jose: he lost some of mine too | Feb 17 16:38 |
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| jose | I don't know much about S Dean, but these last few articles have been Novell advertisements. | Feb 17 16:38 |
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| schestowitz | They seem to be cnesoring | Feb 17 16:38 |
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| schestowitz | Let me show you.. | Feb 17 16:38 |
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| schestowitz | Yes, OStatic employs Novell's Zonker | Feb 17 16:39 |
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| jose | If you post a reply, I want to make sure to post what was rejected.. | Feb 17 16:39 |
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| balzac | Limbaugh and Beck got contracts for like $100M and $50M respectively | Feb 17 16:39 |
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| schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/2009/01/08... | Feb 17 16:39 |
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| schestowitz | "Over at OStatic, Sam Dean went on and deleted (censored) a polite and informative comment from me, which was about 30-40 lines in length. It explained what Novell was doing with Go-OO[XML]." | Feb 17 16:39 |
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| balzac | it pays handsomely to tap-dance down the thin line between right-wing Republican and plain old Nazi | Feb 17 16:40 |
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| schestowitz | jose: send it over | Feb 17 16:40 |
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| schestowitz | Also post in another thread to ask why they censor it. Don't let them get away with it.. | Feb 17 16:40 |
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| schestowitz | Let me show you a vid.... | Feb 17 16:40 |
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| jose | Thanks | Feb 17 16:41 |
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| schestowitz | Watch this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C... | Feb 17 16:41 |
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| jose | i'll post there and can always repost or link later if a better thread comes up | Feb 17 16:41 |
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| schestowitz | Here he is also attacking Ron Paul for saying the truth: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7JPvbVsDdY&a... | Feb 17 16:41 |
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| schestowitz | More 'convergence' (bad): Toshiba to Acquire Fujitsu's Hard-disk Drive Business < http://www.pcworld.com/article/159631/toshi... > | Feb 17 16:43 |
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| jose | fwiw, roy, it's also possible that they simply don't want a person (eg, myself) to take over the conversation. | Feb 17 16:45 |
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| schestowitz | Hey, you know what Ive just realised...? | Feb 17 16:45 |
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| schestowitz | BN is doing more traffic than Tuxmahines now, based on some criteria: http://www.tuxmachines.org/stats/index.html | Feb 17 16:45 |
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| schestowitz | This is not a WIndows problem, for a change: Nuclear weapons lab loses 67 computers < http://news.zdnet.com/2100-9595_22-269574.html > | Feb 17 16:46 |
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| balzac | how the F*** does that happen? | Feb 17 16:47 |
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| schestowitz | jose: maybe it was an accident. Better to check. The one that I flagged in BN is a comment that did appear and got deleted much later | Feb 17 16:47 |
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| schestowitz | A Novell employee has mod privileges in OStatic. | Feb 17 16:47 |
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| jose | Great. | Feb 17 16:47 |
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| schestowitz | balzac: you come in one day and "whoa! They're all gone" | Feb 17 16:48 |
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| jose | If you want, do a blog, and I'll copy over the comments that might be deleted in the future. | Feb 17 16:48 |
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| balzac | they should have spent some of that "Homeland Security" budget to secure that nuclear weapons lab. | Feb 17 16:48 |
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| balzac | it reminds me of those two recent coal ash spills | Feb 17 16:48 |
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| balzac | one right after the other | Feb 17 16:48 |
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| schestowitz | They have a lot of PR to give illusion security | Feb 17 16:49 |
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| balzac | I can't believe these things are just happening | Feb 17 16:49 |
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| schestowitz | Like, you know... 100 armed guards with machines guns and equipment that they claimed costs them GAZIl$@#ON dollars. | Feb 17 16:49 |
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| balzac | they're being allowed to happen, as the levees were allowed to fall into disrepair, the bridge in minnesota, the lack of attention to national security | Feb 17 16:49 |
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| schestowitz | Then, someone just walks in through some back doors and they pretend that "it couldn't have happened.. some guard must have messed up.... the SystemWasDown(R)..." | Feb 17 16:50 |
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| balzac | Republican leaders just hate America and want it to fail as a whole. | Feb 17 16:50 |
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| schestowitz | They love themselves | Feb 17 16:50 |
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| schestowitz | They loot the nation | Feb 17 16:50 |
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| balzac | then they trot out that classic line "nobody could have forseen it" | Feb 17 16:50 |
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| schestowitz | Yes | Feb 17 16:50 |
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| schestowitz | Schneier has excellent blog posts about such incidents | Feb 17 16:51 |
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| balzac | cue Condoleeza rice | Feb 17 16:51 |
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| schestowitz | Let me E-mail this one to him | Feb 17 16:51 |
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| balzac | probably an America-hating Republican congressman arranged for those 67 nuclear weapons lab computers to be shipped to Pakistan. | Feb 17 16:52 |
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| schestowitz | Mailed | Feb 17 16:52 |
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| schestowitz | He usually replies too whenever you mail him. | Feb 17 16:52 |
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| balzac | anyway, I should keep general politics out of the discussion | Feb 17 16:53 |
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| schestowitz | balzac: no, too far fetched | Feb 17 16:53 |
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| balzac | it's a drag | Feb 17 16:53 |
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| schestowitz | Global warming is an 'inside job' | Feb 17 16:53 |
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| schestowitz | Landing on the moon was done in Mars ;-) | Feb 17 16:53 |
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| balzac | I'm just besmirching the Republican identity because I despise those swine Republicans in congress and the last administration | Feb 17 16:53 |
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| balzac | They hate our freedom. | Feb 17 16:53 |
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| schestowitz | balzac: they are still in power | Feb 17 16:54 |
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| schestowitz | Same companies... | Feb 17 16:54 |
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| balzac | I call it "Bush's undead talking points" when i throw their own propaganda back in their faces. | Feb 17 16:54 |
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| schestowitz | Different faction (Democrats) of the same eternal party.. | Feb 17 16:54 |
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| balzac | "There are those among us who believe that by ignoring the threat of Republicans, America will be safe. America will never be safe so long as anywhere in the world, Republicans are given succor and safe-harbor." | Feb 17 16:55 |
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| schestowitz | If you want to pursue oil and production for your friends, then you must keep the people 'under control' and by lying (spinning) is the only option | Feb 17 16:55 |
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| schestowitz | Republicans and Democrats are similar in their stance on issues | Feb 17 16:55 |
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| balzac | sure | Feb 17 16:55 |
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| schestowitz | Just watch Obama defending a lot of the recent atrocities since he's entered House | Feb 17 16:56 |
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| balzac | I call most of the democrats masochists who lick the jack-boots of the Republicans who are standing on their necks | Feb 17 16:56 |
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| schestowitz | If he speaks out, then he'll go 'the way of the Ron Paul' | Feb 17 16:56 |
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| balzac | well, Obama's got the artillery on the hill now, so it's a bit different | Feb 17 16:56 |
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| schestowitz | Or JFK.. | Feb 17 16:56 |
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| balzac | I'm referring to the Democratic congress under Bush | Feb 17 16:56 |
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| schestowitz | If you want change, -support- fund Nader | Feb 17 16:57 |
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| balzac | Give Nader some steroids and it might work | Feb 17 16:57 |
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| schestowitz | Halliburton won't fund Nader. Mewonders why.. :-) | Feb 17 16:57 |
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| schestowitz | Not enough | Feb 17 16:57 |
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| schestowitz | Nader and steroids won't do it | Feb 17 16:57 |
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| schestowitz | People vote for people on steroids and/or from Hollywood | Feb 17 16:57 |
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| balzac | I'm not worrying about national politics much any more | Feb 17 16:58 |
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| schestowitz | Case of point are some of the biggest disasters: Reagan and Schwarzenegger | Feb 17 16:58 |
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| schestowitz | Schwarzenegger luuuuuuuuuvs Bush | Feb 17 16:58 |
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| balzac | Herr Gropenfurer | Feb 17 16:58 |
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| schestowitz | :-0 | Feb 17 16:58 |
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| balzac | you can see a photo of Ahnold in the austrian alps popping the salute | Feb 17 16:59 |
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| balzac | he claims it was just a body builder pose, but as an Austrian, he knew better | Feb 17 16:59 |
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| schestowitz | Let's see... | Feb 17 16:59 |
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| balzac | He helped subvert Gray Davis and create the budget crisis in California | Feb 17 16:59 |
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| schestowitz | Got the pic | Feb 17 16:59 |
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| schestowitz | ? | Feb 17 16:59 |
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| balzac | he worked with Ken Lay of enron | Feb 17 17:00 |
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| balzac | nah, but you can easily find it | Feb 17 17:00 |
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| balzac | Nobody busts his chops about it nowadays, but I just can't imagine an Austrian wouldn't know better than to do that pose. | Feb 17 17:00 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopol... | Feb 17 17:00 |
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| schestowitz | CA is doing badly I hear | Feb 17 17:01 |
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| schestowitz | Some guy in the gym here came from there a couple of months ago. He said it had gone horrible (financially and all). | Feb 17 17:01 |
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| balzac | They took Schwarzenneggar's name off a stadium in Graz after he executed Tookie Williams | Feb 17 17:01 |
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| balzac | Ahnold wants to be president some day | Feb 17 17:02 |
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| balzac | Molly Ivins said he looks like a condom filled with walnuts | Feb 17 17:03 |
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| schestowitz | Can he? | Feb 17 17:03 |
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| schestowitz | Not born in the US | Feb 17 17:03 |
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| balzac | if he can amend the constitution | Feb 17 17:03 |
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| balzac | he'll keep trying until senility ends his ambitions | Feb 17 17:03 |
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| schestowitz | Sounds like MS con job | Feb 17 17:03 |
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| schestowitz | Change the rules, then rule | Feb 17 17:03 |
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| schestowitz | They try this in the EU | Feb 17 17:03 |
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| schestowitz | balzac: no worries about senility, he can buy a new brain, too. | Feb 17 17:04 |
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| schestowitz | Ze Terminator.. | Feb 17 17:04 |
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| schestowitz | It never dies... not even when it melts. | Feb 17 17:04 |
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| balzac | they'll just wire a little micro-controller into his motor cortext | Feb 17 17:04 |
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| balzac | his brain will be just filled with cerebro-spinal fluid and Rove's disembodied brain, floating in a secure location will be speaking through ahnolds zombie. | Feb 17 17:05 |
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| balzac | ok, that's enough politics for me | Feb 17 17:06 |
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| balzac | I need to keep focused on business and forget about the circus of national politics | Feb 17 17:06 |
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| schestowitz | Australia government limited Google's bushfire map < http://news.cnet.com/8301-... > | Feb 17 17:07 |
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| schestowitz | Need open maps... | Feb 17 17:07 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_st... ( The OSI was hijacked) | Feb 17 17:10 |
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| balzac | Bruce Perens couldn't get elected | Feb 17 17:11 |
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| balzac | He was the most reasonable guy involved, and the most visionary | Feb 17 17:12 |
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| schestowitz | Novell openSUSE: Development Ebbing? < http://www.linux-magazine.com/online/n... > | Feb 17 17:12 |
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| schestowitz | balzac: yes, I know. OSI was hijacked | Feb 17 17:12 |
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| balzac | The OSI is irrelevant to those whose concern is computer users' freedom. | Feb 17 17:12 |
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| balzac | Bruce Perens was tossed for saying [paraphrasing] "It's time to start saying free software again. Notice I didn't say open source." | Feb 17 17:13 |
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| schestowitz | OpenSUSE has been quiet for 2 weeks | Feb 17 17:13 |
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| schestowitz | After those layoffs | Feb 17 17:13 |
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| balzac | sweet | Feb 17 17:13 |
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| schestowitz | I think Novell (Waltham) is shafting the Germans | Feb 17 17:13 |
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| schestowitz | "It's the investors.." | Feb 17 17:14 |
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| balzac | Hopefully OpenSUSE will wither away, Novell will tank, and Redhat will make a course-correction. | Feb 17 17:14 |
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| schestowitz | Microsoft gains | Feb 17 17:14 |
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| schestowitz | They ruin their rivals like this | Feb 17 17:14 |
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| schestowitz | But there's no choice other than to NOT. Sell. OUT. | Feb 17 17:15 |
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| balzac | i don't want a card-board coalition | Feb 17 17:15 |
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| balzac | sell GNU | Feb 17 17:15 |
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| schestowitz | It's like in the Evangelism is War memo | Feb 17 17:15 |
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| schestowitz | Microsoft is trying to knock BSD against Linux/GPL or whatever... | Feb 17 17:15 |
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| balzac | sell 100% free software consulting and support | Feb 17 17:15 |
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| schestowitz | People need to point out what they do | Feb 17 17:15 |
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| schestowitz | Some people have cited BN's exposition of these MS docs | Feb 17 17:16 |
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| schestowitz | So it become common knowledge | Feb 17 17:16 |
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| balzac | I'm just trying to get in position to grab glory | Feb 17 17:16 |
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| schestowitz | I see people talking about Microsoft's anti-Linux "taskfforces" (that the Wal-Mart story) and anti-Dell deals. | Feb 17 17:16 |
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| balzac | I'm thinking as an enterpreneur, not just an activist. | Feb 17 17:16 |
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| balzac | Roy, you'd be a good executive for a software company, because what we need now are people with attitude like Scott Mcnealy | Feb 17 17:17 |
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| balzac | these dipomatic guys do no favors for the companies they lead by cooperating with M$ | Feb 17 17:17 |
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| schestowitz | I don't do business | Feb 17 17:17 |
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| jose | GreyGeeks reply is missing something.. | Feb 17 17:18 |
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| balzac | Redhat made a mistake with the M$ deal. | Feb 17 17:18 |
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| jose | i don't disagree.. | Feb 17 17:18 |
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| jose | but besides the license.. it's the licensor | Feb 17 17:18 |
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| schestowitz | I did when I was younger, but it's when white-collar crimes and marketing scum enters the zone | Feb 17 17:18 |
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| jose | as well as the group that owns the copyrights to the license | Feb 17 17:18 |
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| schestowitz | I'd rather expose the white-collar criminals | Feb 17 17:18 |
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| jose | eg, an ms license like the gpl will be interpreted differently by ms | Feb 17 17:18 |
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| schestowitz | For example, showing how one criminal connects to people like Tucci who throw out scientists like Greene | Feb 17 17:19 |
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| balzac | hopefully you'll learn from Nader's mistake and not spend your prime years as an activist | Feb 17 17:19 |
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| schestowitz | The lawyers who run nations ruin science too | Feb 17 17:19 |
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| jose | and they would likely try to play the version x or higher trick so that later versions of the license are different in spirit | Feb 17 17:19 |
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| jose | yes, bait and switch | Feb 17 17:19 |
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| balzac | it makes for a grumpy and uncomfortable retirement | Feb 17 17:19 |
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| balzac | Nader should have shifted gears into the private sector after about three decades of service | Feb 17 17:19 |
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| schestowitz | You can say the same about RMS | Feb 17 17:19 |
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| balzac | he did great for a long time | Feb 17 17:19 |
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| schestowitz | What do you measure things by? What's the yardstick? | Feb 17 17:20 |
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| balzac | well, both of them should be less grumpy and renunciating of comfort | Feb 17 17:20 |
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| balzac | both should fly first class, not coach | Feb 17 17:20 |
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| jose | don't worry about coach | Feb 17 17:20 |
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| schestowitz | Nader lies coach? | Feb 17 17:20 |
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| balzac | i don't know | Feb 17 17:20 |
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| schestowitz | *flies | Feb 17 17:20 |
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| jose | some people like to feel close to the other people and ordinary to some degree | Feb 17 17:20 |
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| schestowitz | balzac thinks that flying first class is a life's goal | Feb 17 17:21 |
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| schestowitz | I disagree | Feb 17 17:21 |
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| schestowitz | That's PR | Feb 17 17:21 |
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| balzac | Hugh Hefner is the Supreme Ayatollah of lifestyle for an old man. | Feb 17 17:21 |
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| schestowitz | That's imposed BS | Feb 17 17:21 |
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| jose | every now and then maybe | Feb 17 17:21 |
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| schestowitz | Like the way people are sold lots of illusiusions | Feb 17 17:21 |
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| schestowitz | They are practically being told what they /need/ to enjoy | Feb 17 17:21 |
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| balzac | You don't have to be quite such a renunciate as many activists tend to be. | Feb 17 17:22 |
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| schestowitz | They /tell/ people what it means to DoWell{tm} | Feb 17 17:22 |
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| schestowitz | And it's hard to escape this framework of mindset | Feb 17 17:22 |
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| jose | balzac, don't overestimate nader and other "names" | Feb 17 17:22 |
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| schestowitz | In 1992, one trillion dollars were spend on marketing | Feb 17 17:22 |
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| schestowitz | it's everywhere. | Feb 17 17:22 |
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| schestowitz | Lots of it is viral or peer-imposed | Feb 17 17:22 |
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| jose | many people join along to help.. and some of those enter/thrive the private sector | Feb 17 17:22 |
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| balzac | My activist years are behind me. | Feb 17 17:23 |
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| balzac | I'll dabble in the future, but now it's all about building a business. | Feb 17 17:24 |
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| schestowitz | Good! | Feb 17 17:24 |
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| schestowitz | People listen: http://blog.jeremiahfoster.com/?p=32 | Feb 17 17:24 |
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| jose | see balzac.. it would stink if people thought only rms did anything.. but balzac didn't contribute as well... so leave rms and simply do your thing | Feb 17 17:25 |
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| jose | let me rephrase | Feb 17 17:25 |
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| jose | it would stink if people thought only rms did anything.. but balzac does contribute as well. | Feb 17 17:25 |
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| jose | among all the drummers drumming and marching.. you get those that stand out the most | Feb 17 17:26 |
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| balzac | Richard and I will probably discuss the topic again over dinner sometime. | Feb 17 17:26 |
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| jose | those get the spotlight, but there is a whole spectrum | Feb 17 17:26 |
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| jose | we all help each other and are helped in return | Feb 17 17:26 |
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| jose | :-) | Feb 17 17:27 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.thevarguy.com/2009/02/16/red-... "The VAR Guy, Sources tell me that Novell will lay off massively this week or next week. I stand by my claim that Novell operates at a loss that would require laying off almost 1000 people (25% of workforce), which I hear is likely to be the real number." | Feb 17 17:28 |
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| schestowitz | jose: well said. | Feb 17 17:29 |
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| jose | I see you continue to feel strongly about that 1000 number (give or take a factor of 2). | Feb 17 17:31 |
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| jose | i wonder how such an announcement would be put forward | Feb 17 17:31 |
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| jose | i wonder if there is some "surprise" event coming soon. | Feb 17 17:32 |
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| jose | who could have forseen it? | Feb 17 17:32 |
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| schestowitz | Let me check.. | Feb 17 17:32 |
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| schestowitz | See PM | Feb 17 17:32 |
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| schestowitz | no reply needed | Feb 17 17:32 |
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| jose | ? | Feb 17 17:33 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_s... | Feb 17 17:35 |
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| schestowitz | " | Feb 17 17:35 |
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| schestowitz | Microsoft has a consistent history of biting its partners and draining their blood. No agreement with Microsoft, regardless of how seemingly innocuous, will benefit anyone but Microsoft. Even if we can't pinpoint exactly where and when the betrayal will occur, we can safely bet the farm that it will happen." | Feb 17 17:35 |
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| jose | Microsoft may be trying to keep the netbook dam from breaking. Dams that will break.. will break. Let's hope | Feb 17 17:35 |
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| schestowitz | The one breaking is MS | Feb 17 17:36 |
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| schestowitz | No margins | Feb 17 17:37 |
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| schestowitz | re layoffs, the private source is a novell employee | Feb 17 17:37 |
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| schestowitz | Unless Novell tries poisoning Novell with false info | Feb 17 17:37 |
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| schestowitz | Cool. Journo looks for my comment now. | Feb 17 17:39 |
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| jose | I wish people would leave voluntarily instead of being kicked out.. but it can be very difficult.. especially if the economic environment is scary.. i wonder how much a current layed-off employee is likely to have saved? Don't know what cost of living are near novell | Feb 17 17:42 |
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| schestowitz | Yeah... | Feb 17 18:08 |
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| schestowitz | OK, one last pass.. | Feb 17 18:18 |
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| schestowitz | So BN will make the press again :-D | Feb 17 18:28 |
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| jose | You met another deadline? | Feb 17 18:28 |
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| schestowitz | No, no deadline. I just replies straight away | Feb 17 18:31 |
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| schestowitz | If you don't reply fast, you can miss the chance. | Feb 17 18:32 |
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| schestowitz | Which happened before (I used to check mail once in a few days) | Feb 17 18:32 |
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| schestowitz | Green burials: A dying wish to be 'home for fish' < http://edition.cnn.com/2009/TECH/0... >. I think MinceR might have something to say about it because of some Ubuntu story I brought up last month. | Feb 17 18:33 |
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| schestowitz | This really seems like blasphemy I imagine to people who believe in things like Hell, Heaven, soul, next life, and so on. | Feb 17 18:34 |
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| balzac | http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_stor... <--- nice analogy | Feb 17 18:37 |
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| MinceR | schestowitz: i think that's too much trouble | Feb 17 18:42 |
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| MinceR | cremation or dumping the body in the ocean seems to be greener to me | Feb 17 18:43 |
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| schestowitz | Who is the recipient of money in this case? : http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/ne... ( Gates wants the poor to bank on their mobile phones) | Feb 17 18:43 |
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| schestowitz | Microsoft innovates imitation. Windows Mobile 6.5 shows clever burst of originality. Haha no. < http://www.roughlydrafted.com/2009/02/17/windows-mob... > | Feb 17 18:49 |
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| schestowitz | Oh BTW, I almost forgot... (Money)... Happy GW Bush Day!@ | Feb 17 18:50 |
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| schestowitz | Economic collapse leads to rise in suicides, apparently (says RMS): "The number of farmers who have committed suicide in India between 1997 and 2007 now stands at a staggering 182,936." http://www.counterpunch.com/sainath02122009.html | Feb 17 18:55 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.stallman.org/archives/2008-nov-feb... "Almost 200,000 Indian farmers are known to have committed suicide due to the debts that resulted from imposed economic globalization." | Feb 17 18:56 |
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| balzac | MinceR: my grandfather on my dad's side had that done. He was in group called the Neptune Club which does cremation, then dumps the ashes at sea. | Feb 17 19:22 |
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| MinceR | that works too | Feb 17 19:22 |
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| schestowitz | Religious groups must be going ballistic over the idea. | Feb 17 19:24 |
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| MinceR | i'd like to help them go ballistic :> | Feb 17 19:24 |
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| schestowitz | Can 'souls' swim? | Feb 17 19:25 |
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| balzac | as long as they don't go nuclear... | Feb 17 19:25 |
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| MinceR | no need for a warhead | Feb 17 19:25 |
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| schestowitz | They don't go nuclear | Feb 17 19:25 |
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| schestowitz | Never | Feb 17 19:25 |
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| MinceR | just a nice, big rocket | Feb 17 19:25 |
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| schestowitz | They go Noo-ki-LAR | Feb 17 19:25 |
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| MinceR | nucular. | Feb 17 19:25 |
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| balzac | Religious fanatics should be kept far from any advanced weaponry. I would like it if the US government were as vigilant about keeping pseudo-Christian rapture-fanatics away from our nuclear arsenal as they are about keeping nuclear weapons away from Islamic fanatics in the middle east. | Feb 17 19:28 |
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| MinceR | i'd like to have the fundies out of the us government | Feb 17 19:28 |
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| balzac | I'd like to have "In God We Trust" removed from the money. | Feb 17 19:29 |
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| trmanco | where can I get one block ascii art? | Feb 17 19:29 |
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| balzac | The bible-beaters think the US is a Christian theocracy because Eisenhower let them put a religious slogan on the currency. | Feb 17 19:29 |
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| schestowitz | balzac: +1 re paper money. What does Godd have to do with cash/ | Feb 17 19:30 |
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| balzac | It's a slap in the face to Americans who atheists, agnostics, polytheists, wiccans, etc. | Feb 17 19:30 |
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| schestowitz | balzac: actually, the state's founders were very religious | Feb 17 19:31 |
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| balzac | I think it was the doing of Billy Graham who preached that Karl Marx was literally a demon. | Feb 17 19:31 |
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| schestowitz | Waving the Holy Books while slaughtering natives | Feb 17 19:31 |
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| balzac | so they tried to link economic policy with religion | Feb 17 19:31 |
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| schestowitz | Imperialism (conquering the northern hemisphere) was one of the main goals. | Feb 17 19:32 |
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| MinceR | 203622 <@schestowitz> balzac: +1 re paper money. What does Godd have to do with cash/ | Feb 17 19:32 |
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| schestowitz | It''s all in the history literature. | Feb 17 19:32 |
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| balzac | schestowitz: nevertheless, they were intelligent enough not to put that religious slogan on the money. | Feb 17 19:32 |
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| MinceR | that's easy to answer | Feb 17 19:32 |
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| MinceR | god _is_ cash. | Feb 17 19:32 |
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| MinceR | and cash is god. | Feb 17 19:32 |
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| balzac | I'd rather they put "In Baal We Trust" on the cash. | Feb 17 19:32 |
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| balzac | better yet, don't put religious craziness on the currency. | Feb 17 19:32 |
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| schestowitz | :-) | Feb 17 19:32 |
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| toros | hi | Feb 17 19:32 |
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| MinceR | hay | Feb 17 19:32 |
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| schestowitz | it's like "Oh God! Make sure we can exceed $11 in debt. Just print more Benjamins" | Feb 17 19:33 |
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| schestowitz | Yo benJIman ! | Feb 17 19:33 |
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| balzac | I should have said "In Mammon We Trust" | Feb 17 19:33 |
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| balzac | There's a big "golden calf" right there on Wall St. | Feb 17 19:34 |
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| schestowitz | benJIman: time for you guys to abandon Novell before it abandons /you/: http://boycottnovell.com/2009/02/17/... | Feb 17 19:34 |
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| schestowitz | :-) Calf... waiting to grow and become deformed into a pig. | Feb 17 19:35 |
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| schestowitz | Pig represents greed | Feb 17 19:35 |
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| schestowitz | Cow = cashcow | Feb 17 19:35 |
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| schestowitz | "Give us your poor..." We'll give them credit cards | Feb 17 19:36 |
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| MinceR | well, it does have the Illuminati logo | Feb 17 19:41 |
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| schestowitz | :-) | Feb 17 19:43 |
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| schestowitz | bbl | Feb 17 19:43 |
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| twitter | -> balzac: Bruce Perens was tossed for saying [paraphrasing] "It's time to start saying free software again. Notice I didn't say open source." | Feb 17 20:01 |
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| twitter | That is too bad. I like the tongue lashing Molben gave O'Riely. If you don't talk about freedom, you are unprepared for the things people do. | Feb 17 20:01 |
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| balzac | I agreed with Moglen, but he was shifting around in his seat and his delivery sounded cryptic | Feb 17 20:12 |
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| twitter | "MethodOne: twitter, do you actually use twitter?" No, but I hope they read me. I've been twitter longer than they have been a service. | Feb 17 20:12 |
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| balzac | He could do without the overly serious delivery | Feb 17 20:12 |
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| balzac | Not that I look cool and composed in front of an audience. | Feb 17 20:13 |
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| balzac | I'm just thinking he could have been more jockular and casual about it | Feb 17 20:14 |
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| balzac | jocular | Feb 17 20:15 |
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| twitter | "(06:38:28 PM) benJIman: I find the 64bit OOo quite unstable compared to the 32bit build." You should try a Debian Build. I've been running all 64 bit for more than a year. It's an older version of OO, but there's nothing unstable about it or it's 32 bit version. | Feb 17 20:16 |
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| balzac | It had the seriousness of a member of the central committee of soviet russia | Feb 17 20:16 |
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| balzac | RMS had a good tone when a M$ employee bid the highest at an auction of a stuffed GNU. | Feb 17 20:18 |
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| twitter | RMS was laughing at the concept of a GNU at M$ campus. | Feb 17 20:20 |
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| twitter | Moglen was angry and he had a right to be. "Open Source" people have ignored these problems for the last ten years and said nasty things about RMS and Moglen. | Feb 17 20:21 |
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| twitter | Moglen may have also detected an attempt to FUD Google. | Feb 17 20:21 |
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| balzac | I can't say I haven't been angry | Feb 17 20:21 |
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| balzac | I understand where he was coming from, but you want to look good on video. | Feb 17 20:22 |
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| twitter | You have to wonder if he had been harassed all morning before he got there. | Feb 17 20:22 |
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| twitter | M$ people keep up the attack 24/7/365 | Feb 17 20:22 |
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| balzac | your ego must have thick walls | Feb 17 20:22 |
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| balzac | and preferably be large enough to cast a shadow over your opponent's ego | Feb 17 20:23 |
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| twitter | Tim has acted like a fool. Moglen called him. I loved when he said something like, "I was sure that I'd verify your primary thesis which is why I did my best not to." | Feb 17 20:24 |
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| balzac | but very few in the audience were nerdy enough to know that Moglen won | Feb 17 20:24 |
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| trmanco | http://www.techarp.com/showarticle.aspx?artno=621 | Feb 17 20:25 |
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| twitter | The message was loud and clear. "Freedom matters" | Feb 17 20:25 |
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| twitter | It's a good sign that people in the audience applauded Molgen despite his "seriousness" | Feb 17 20:26 |
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| balzac | but you don't want to put on blue war paint and go around with a hoarse voice like Mel Gibson unless you're in a pitched battle and Steve Ballmer noogying you. | Feb 17 20:26 |
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| twitter | Twitter laughs thinking about all the little GNUs in M$'s wifi and other campus systems. | Feb 17 20:27 |
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| balzac | sorry for the flippant responses. I've got to get single-minded about my work just now. | Feb 17 20:27 |
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| twitter | I'm surprised Moglen bothered to visit at all. He could have been and should have been a little less peeved, but I can understand his attitude with people who have chided him and RMS as "dictatorial" and all that for ten years. | Feb 17 20:28 |
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| twitter | :) I'm having a good time. Good luck with your work. | Feb 17 20:28 |
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| schestowitz | <twitter>, yes Moglen is typically calm | Feb 17 22:00 |
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| schestowitz | balzac: i loves that ORLY video | Feb 17 22:02 |
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| schestowitz | Moglen did good. See my comments there, ORLY replies | Feb 17 22:02 |
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| schestowitz | I did the unthinkable and watched the Obama speech about Public Looting this evening. The BBC hit it on the nail for a change when saying that it's just supposed to create optimism. | Feb 17 22:20 |
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| schestowitz | Cousin says: "APPLE IS TRYING TO MAKE the act of modifying the Iphone operating system to allow the installation of third party software illegal. http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/030/... " | Feb 17 22:24 |
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| twitter | ORLY, " I believe that making money is like putting gas in the car: something you do to help get where you're going, rather than where you're going." Bad, bad analogy. | Feb 17 22:24 |
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| schestowitz | "speaking of Orwell...now you can't do what you like with an item you own!" | Feb 17 22:24 |
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| schestowitz | People can only rent iPhone or Windows... You can't buy or own them. | Feb 17 22:24 |
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| twitter | The iPhone is an egregious example of network and software violations intersect to fuck over the user. | Feb 17 22:26 |
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| schestowitz | twitter: not too terrible this ORLY analogy | Feb 17 22:26 |
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| schestowitz | Here is the video, for context: http://radar.oreilly.com/archives/200... | Feb 17 22:27 |
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| twitter | It is an astonishingly elitist analogy. | Feb 17 22:27 |
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| schestowitz | "You speak of mutual "regret" but you and Moglen seem to use that word in different senses." | Feb 17 22:28 |
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| twitter | I'm thinking O'Reilly wanted to crap on Google and Facebook. | Feb 17 22:35 |
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| twitter | It's funny how he did not mention abortions like MySpace, MSN and others that don't use free software. | Feb 17 22:35 |
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| twitter | Moglen is right, overall. Network and Software freedom will eliminate the "problems" Tim obsesses about. | Feb 17 22:37 |
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| twitter | That won't happen if people are not talking about "freedom" loud and clear. | Feb 17 22:37 |
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| schestowitz | I like identi.ca. I might use it one day. The FSFers are all there.. | Feb 17 22:39 |
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| trmanco | yep | Feb 17 22:39 |
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| trmanco | lots of DEVs too | Feb 17 22:39 |
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| schestowitz | Good! | Feb 17 22:39 |
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| schestowitz | Some FOSS people went to twitter (no offense, twitter ), showing their hypocrisy. | Feb 17 22:39 |
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| twitter | In 2001, Tim laid this stinker, "I don't think Richard got Freedom 0 right. There's an even more fundamental freedom that underlies the work of both free software advocates and the most proprietary of software developers, as well as anyone else engaged in creative work. And that is the freedom to offer your work to the world on the terms that you choose, and for the recipients to accept or reject those terms." | Feb 17 22:41 |
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| twitter | He might as well be advocating slavery as a property right. | Feb 17 22:42 |
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| trmanco | http://identi.ca/group/fsf | http://identi.ca/group/gnu | http://identi.ca/group/kde | Feb 17 22:42 |
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| schestowitz | twitter: yes, but let's not attack him | Feb 17 22:42 |
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| schestowitz | Better to educuate him because he's mostly on our side at the end of the day | Feb 17 22:42 |
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| schestowitz | Familiar faces... brunomiguel,bkuhn, mattl ... | Feb 17 22:44 |
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| toros | identi.ca is great... :) | Feb 17 22:44 |
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| toros | just take a look at the most popular groups... | Feb 17 22:44 |
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| toros | ubuntu, linux, laconica, gnu, python, kde | Feb 17 22:46 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_story.p... "So the reality is that RedHat is not making a deal with M$. They are just making a deal with their customers." | Feb 17 22:47 |
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| schestowitz | Some very good comments from the audience there, which is more mature than in other sites like LXer or Digg. | Feb 17 22:48 |
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| trmanco | identi.ca already surpassed Twitter in some aspects, no surprise here | Feb 17 22:49 |
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| toros | identi.ca is very promising: there are great expected features for the next release | Feb 17 22:50 |
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| toros | http://mail.laconi.ca/pipermail/... | Feb 17 22:51 |
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| trmanco | yep | Feb 17 22:51 |
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| trmanco | I know Evan | Feb 17 22:52 |
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| trmanco | http://identi.ca/evan | Feb 17 22:52 |
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| toros | I am a subscriber of his notices :) | Feb 17 22:54 |
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| trmanco | everybody should know him | Feb 17 22:54 |
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| schestowitz | Real name?? Fran Foo <------ http://www.australianit.news.com.au... | Feb 17 22:54 |
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| trmanco | (in Identi.ca) | Feb 17 22:54 |
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| schestowitz | http://identi.ca/group/fsf/rss ... pretty low-volume | Feb 17 22:55 |
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| toros | He seems to be a nice guy | Feb 17 22:55 |
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| schestowitz | Maybe I'll subscribe. | Feb 17 22:55 |
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| trmanco | slow day for me in microblogging | Feb 17 22:57 |
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| trmanco | :( | Feb 17 22:57 |
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| trmanco | today* | Feb 17 22:57 |
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| trmanco | schestowitz, I can't find you | Feb 17 22:58 |
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| schestowitz | identica? | Feb 17 22:58 |
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| schestowitz | I'll make an account | Feb 17 22:58 |
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| trmanco | yes | Feb 17 22:58 |
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| trmanco | oh, I thought you already did :| | Feb 17 22:58 |
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| toros | I think the fsf group is low-volume because people usually don't write about fsf in microblogs... | Feb 17 23:00 |
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| toros | so you say there things like I upgraded my ubuntu, I am listening to some music, drinking tea, etc. | Feb 17 23:00 |
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| schestowitz | Chin Wong has done some rubbish Linux articles recently, inc. this one: http://www.manilastandardtoday.com/?page... He used to write better stuff. | Feb 17 23:01 |
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| toros | maybe boycottnovell could be avaible on identi.ca too... | Feb 17 23:02 |
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| toros | through twitterfeed, or something like that | Feb 17 23:03 |
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| schestowitz | http://identi.ca/notice/2350574 | Feb 17 23:04 |
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| schestowitz | Here's me there: http://identi.ca/group/fsf/members | Feb 17 23:06 |
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| trmanco | cool | Feb 17 23:07 |
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| schestowitz | OK, so how does one export the data? | Feb 17 23:08 |
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| schestowitz | I want to see if it's truly 'open' | Feb 17 23:08 |
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| trmanco | I just registered myself at github | Feb 17 23:08 |
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| trmanco | maybe I can learn some stuff there | Feb 17 23:08 |
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| trmanco | schestowitz, expert how? | Feb 17 23:08 |
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| trmanco | like mbox files in email? | Feb 17 23:08 |
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| schestowitz | Yes, whatever | Feb 17 23:09 |
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| trmanco | I don't know | Feb 17 23:09 |
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| schestowitz | How do I know /my/ stuff is not stuck in /their/ cloud? | Feb 17 23:09 |
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| schestowitz | In deli.icio.us I could export my bookmarks | Feb 17 23:09 |
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| trmanco | I haven't thought about that | Feb 17 23:09 |
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| trmanco | ask Evan | Feb 17 23:09 |
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| schestowitz | Cause even if I could start my own laconica-like service, how would data move? | Feb 17 23:09 |
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| MinceR | i prefer to run my own cloud :> | Feb 17 23:09 |
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| trmanco | maybe it will be a future feature | Feb 17 23:10 |
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| schestowitz | IRC is run in this case by the freenode network, but I'll happily send the raw logs to anyone and everyone can log freely | Feb 17 23:10 |
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| schestowitz | With things like twitter it's different | Feb 17 23:10 |
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| schestowitz | Things are trapped in a complex DB | Feb 17 23:10 |
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| schestowitz | You don't have the tools require to do much with the DB, let alone get a copy of that DB which your personal chunk | Feb 17 23:11 |
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| schestowitz | Many blogging services like blogspot pose similar issues, but they worked out some export/impart schemas. | Feb 17 23:11 |
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| schestowitz | I follow just one very active twitter account AMT: glynmoody | Feb 17 23:12 |
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| schestowitz | *ATM (he's covering the same subjects as me) | Feb 17 23:12 |
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| schestowitz | People still don't realise just how far gadgets have gone with digital 'manners' and other such Orwellian things.. "next thing, a Sony camcorder can not use TDK tapes and my TV will only be able to view the stations the manufacturer allows." (my cousin) | Feb 17 23:20 |
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| toros | Sony did this, not even once: there's the sony memory stick, or the sony beta, or the sony MD... | Feb 17 23:25 |
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| schestowitz | Many people don't know that. They don't know what DRM even means. | Feb 17 23:26 |
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| schestowitz | The mainstream media hardly does anything to explain these thing that it welcomes. Media = media companies = DRM lovers. Why would they cover it critically? | Feb 17 23:27 |
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| toros | the biggest problem is that they want to controll the culture | Feb 17 23:31 |
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| mib_ci95lmtu | hi | Feb 17 23:31 |
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| schestowitz | Hey there. | Feb 17 23:32 |
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| schestowitz | [OT] Microsoft BS, as usual: http://www.totaltele.com/view.aspx?ID=443328 | Feb 17 23:32 |
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| toros | so you can't buy a movie if they think it's not profitable | Feb 17 23:32 |
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| schestowitz | "'Smartphone' segment to disappear in four years – Microsoft [...] "Nothing's free," he added, in a nod to open source platforms. "The question is where the costs get incurred," he said." | Feb 17 23:32 |
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| schestowitz | toros: it's the same cliche | Feb 17 23:32 |
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| toros | but they say downloading is illegal | Feb 17 23:32 |
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| schestowitz | "nothing is free.." .. "using Google search is not free" (Ballmer, 2008) | Feb 17 23:32 |
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| toros | you can't even buy it | Feb 17 23:32 |
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| toros | that's censorship | Feb 17 23:33 |
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| schestowitz | Ayer | Feb 17 23:33 |
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| schestowitz | Why Google loves open source < http://news.cnet.com/8301-13505_3-1... > | Feb 17 23:33 |
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| schestowitz | Microsoft is going desperate. They allow us the 'opportunity' to buy a licence from them to rent s/w... and we are asked to say "danke" | Feb 17 23:34 |
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| toros | good night! | Feb 17 23:43 |
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| toros | I'm leaving... | Feb 17 23:43 |
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| toros | It's rather late here | Feb 17 23:43 |
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| schestowitz | Another mysql escapee? http://www.sys-con.com/node/844187 | Feb 17 23:49 |
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