02.28.09

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IRC: #boycottnovell @ FreeNode: February 27th, 2009 – Part 2

Posted in IRC Logs at 12:02 am by Dr. Roy Schestowitz

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schestowitz Linux doesn’t do that Feb 27 01:19
wispygalaxy yep, we learned about communication channels and psychology in my advertising class Feb 27 01:19
Balrog_ well, some of the iphone advertising has been quite obvious. Like demonstrating apps Feb 27 01:19
schestowitz It’s not compatible with how people are taught to measure stuff Feb 27 01:19
Balrog_ of couse, there’s other advertising that’s different Feb 27 01:19
schestowitz More expensive = better Feb 27 01:20
schestowitz Cheap and freedom mixed together to cheapen the value of human mrights Feb 27 01:20
wispygalaxy nice phone, pk. my dad has a nokia, too, but it has no text messaging Feb 27 01:20
schestowitz Aren’t phones mostly about making calls? Feb 27 01:21
wispygalaxy thats what my dad says lol Feb 27 01:21
PetoKraus schestowitz: yes Feb 27 01:21
wispygalaxy but my sis begs to differ Feb 27 01:21
schestowitz You might as well rename the gadgets then. Feb 27 01:21
PetoKraus that’s what I use my phone for. Calls, texts Feb 27 01:21
Balrog_ ask the inventor of cell phones Feb 27 01:21
Balrog_ :P Feb 27 01:21
Balrog_ he’s marketing a phone for senior citizens Feb 27 01:21
PetoKraus though i’d like to get something I could jot down appointments in to Feb 27 01:21
wispygalaxy my dad wants the jitterbug Feb 27 01:21
PetoKraus and make it sync with sunbird Feb 27 01:22
schestowitz Yeah.. like people marketed cigarettes fo women Feb 27 01:22
wispygalaxy malboro Feb 27 01:22
PetoKraus oh don’t get me started on that Feb 27 01:22
schestowitz The “lighting of the totch” stunt Feb 27 01:22
wispygalaxy thats on my test too roy Feb 27 01:22
PetoKraus cigarettes look AWFUL on 90% of girls Feb 27 01:22
schestowitz Turning women to *cough cough* smokers Feb 27 01:22
schestowitz For profit Feb 27 01:22
Balrog_ http://counternotions.com/200… Feb 27 01:22
wispygalaxy you are like a study guide roy lol Feb 27 01:22
schestowitz They used the projection of images standing for power Feb 27 01:23
schestowitz Now it’s beer Feb 27 01:23
PetoKraus gah Feb 27 01:23
PetoKraus beer’s okay Feb 27 01:23
PetoKraus let them have beer Feb 27 01:23
schestowitz The message that women who drink beer control their man or whatever better Feb 27 01:23
PetoKraus but cigarettes Feb 27 01:23
PetoKraus NO Feb 27 01:23
Balrog_ heh beer Feb 27 01:23
Balrog_ the ads are everywhere Feb 27 01:23
Balrog_ I don’t drink it … lol Feb 27 01:23
PetoKraus i like beer Feb 27 01:23
schestowitz It’s all perceptional and totally irrational Feb 27 01:23
Balrog_ I know people who do … many Feb 27 01:23
Balrog_ yeah the beer ads are bad when it comes to taht Feb 27 01:23
schestowitz Same with drugs… Feb 27 01:24
Balrog_ that * Feb 27 01:24
wispygalaxy my granny smoked cigs for 50+ years, but she died last year of ovarian cancer.  she didnt have any other cancer Feb 27 01:24
schestowitz People like beer, but not other drugs Feb 27 01:24
PetoKraus though i can’t drink much… my stomach doesn’t like it and likes to talk to me often the next day Feb 27 01:24
PetoKraus whiskey or wine is better on this accord Feb 27 01:24
schestowitz Beverages become a cultutal/social/psychological thing. Feb 27 01:24
PetoKraus :) Feb 27 01:24
PetoKraus yes Feb 27 01:24
PetoKraus shisha’s Feb 27 01:24
PetoKraus Feb 27 01:24
Balrog_ cigs can cause any type of cancer :[ Feb 27 01:24
PetoKraus i mean, it’s retarded Feb 27 01:24
schestowitz Many addictive substances can. Feb 27 01:24
wispygalaxy true balrog Feb 27 01:25
PetoKraus my mother’s smoker, my uncle is dense smoker, my grandma is really heavy smoker Feb 27 01:25
Balrog_ I know someone who had bladder cancer from that … he died from an aneurism eventually Feb 27 01:25
schestowitz Foods too Feb 27 01:25
PetoKraus i’ve had so much passive smoking in my life Feb 27 01:25
Balrog_ more like chemicals in foods Feb 27 01:25
schestowitz Some of the stuff they put in fast food chains and snacks  might be more harmful than drugs Feb 27 01:25
wispygalaxy smoking is bigger in my family than drinking Feb 27 01:25
schestowitz By drugs I mean alcohol too Feb 27 01:25
PetoKraus that i promised myself i’m not going to have any smoke in my lungs voluntarily Feb 27 01:25
Balrog_ well you don’t do it Feb 27 01:25
schestowitz Microwaves are a hazard too.. cellphones Feb 27 01:25
PetoKraus well Feb 27 01:25
Balrog_ they’re all hazards Feb 27 01:25
PetoKraus we don’t know yet what does it cause Feb 27 01:25
PetoKraus it’s hard to tell, it’s too short Feb 27 01:26
Balrog_ theoretically wi-fi is a hazard as it uses microwaves Feb 27 01:26
PetoKraus take for example some pesticides Feb 27 01:26
schestowitz We don’t know degree of impact Feb 27 01:26
wispygalaxy im using a wired connection, luckily Feb 27 01:26
schestowitz Who would fund it? Feb 27 01:26
Balrog_ heh … organophosphates Feb 27 01:26
PetoKraus it took 30 years for them to troddle down the fields in water Feb 27 01:26
schestowitz Research is usually funded in favour of the profiteer Feb 27 01:26
PetoKraus and from water to people’s food Feb 27 01:26
schestowitz So expect results to be biased in favour of the merchants. Feb 27 01:26
PetoKraus and from there -> delayed neuropathy and intermediate disease Feb 27 01:26
Balrog_ some say organophosphate pesticides are responsible for BSE Feb 27 01:27
wispygalaxy reminds me of ms-funded “studies” Feb 27 01:27
PetoKraus well they could be Feb 27 01:27
PetoKraus i mean Feb 27 01:27
PetoKraus organophosphates are nerve gasses Feb 27 01:27
Balrog_ they’re systemic agents Feb 27 01:27
Balrog_ should be banned Feb 27 01:27
PetoKraus they are Feb 27 01:27
Balrog_ like DDT Feb 27 01:27
PetoKraus ddt is innocent Feb 27 01:28
PetoKraus ddt was human mistake Feb 27 01:28
Balrog_ well DDT is banned Feb 27 01:28
Balrog_ organophosphates should be banned as well Feb 27 01:28
PetoKraus it was stupid idea to try kill diseases with DDT Feb 27 01:28
PetoKraus OP’s are banned in the UK, i think Feb 27 01:28
Balrog_ (I’m not saying that DDT should be banned) Feb 27 01:28
Balrog_ but not in the US. Feb 27 01:28
PetoKraus i’d have to grab my lecture notes Feb 27 01:28
Balrog_ :[ Feb 27 01:28
wispygalaxy do you guys eat tuna? Feb 27 01:28
wispygalaxy im kinda scared of it… Feb 27 01:28
PetoKraus the problem with OP’s is that they are inherently very very toxic Feb 27 01:28
Balrog_ I don’t recommend it and don’t eat tuna Feb 27 01:29
Balrog_ so that’s my take Feb 27 01:29
schestowitz OLPC users discover free WiFi at Rwandan Airport < http://www.cheaplaptops.org.uk/20090225/olpc-u… > Feb 27 01:29
Balrog_ I don’t like it either :P Feb 27 01:29
wispygalaxy i feel bad for the dolphins caught :’( Feb 27 01:29
PetoKraus it’s like… okay, let’s substitute one oxygen for sulphur and hope the human who ingests it will piss it out sooner than it changes back Feb 27 01:29
PetoKraus otherwise -> eek. Feb 27 01:29
schestowitz wispygalaxy: yes, that too. Most brand just put the dolphin safe label, but can you believe it? Feb 27 01:30
wispygalaxy heh Feb 27 01:30
schestowitz “dolphin safe[ty net]“ Feb 27 01:30
wispygalaxy i want to believe, but i cant Feb 27 01:30
Balrog_ wispygalaxy: I’m careful about mercury content Feb 27 01:30
PetoKraus with tuna? Feb 27 01:30
wispygalaxy good balrog :) Feb 27 01:30
Balrog_ they’ve had problems with that recently Feb 27 01:30
Balrog_ (in tuna) Feb 27 01:30
schestowitz Another issue is mercury Feb 27 01:30
schestowitz I stopped eating tuna Feb 27 01:30
PetoKraus mercury is fun Feb 27 01:30
schestowitz PetoKraus: in the brain? Feb 27 01:30
wispygalaxy i havent had tuna in a while, roy Feb 27 01:30
PetoKraus nah Feb 27 01:30
schestowitz I know.. Feb 27 01:31
schestowitz Mercuriy scared me too.. but my blood tests were fine. Feb 27 01:31
PetoKraus tuna is still one of the more healthy foods Feb 27 01:31
Balrog_ blood tests aren’t too accurate Feb 27 01:31
Balrog_ unfortunately Feb 27 01:31
PetoKraus i don’t know about US, but in europe sea dumping of anything is banned Feb 27 01:31
schestowitz Bloody hell Feb 27 01:31
PetoKraus since 2000. Feb 27 01:31
wispygalaxy thats too bad balrog Feb 27 01:31
Balrog_ sea dumping? Feb 27 01:32
PetoKraus yeah Feb 27 01:32
PetoKraus like you take the trash and dump it in the sea Feb 27 01:32
Balrog_ probably banned here too Feb 27 01:32
PetoKraus well i wouldn’t be so sure Feb 27 01:32
Balrog_ there’ve been cases of it in the region though Feb 27 01:32
PetoKraus after this half of the term Feb 27 01:33
PetoKraus i basically stopped worrying about what do i eat Feb 27 01:33
PetoKraus in terms of, you know, possible pollutants Feb 27 01:33
schestowitz KDE 4.2 Lures Me Back to Kubuntu 8.10 . . . < http://sharplinux.blogspot.com/2009/02/kde-42… > Feb 27 01:33
wispygalaxy in oceanography class, i learned that there are areas of the ocean where trash just sit there because of the circulation of the water Feb 27 01:33
PetoKraus i’m living in glasgow afterwards Feb 27 01:33
PetoKraus chromium everywhere. If i’m gonna get something, it’s cancer. Feb 27 01:33
schestowitz wispygalaxy: yes, pacific Ocean too Feb 27 01:33
wispygalaxy glad to see kubuntu is looking better Feb 27 01:34
schestowitz There was a good article about it in one of the big journals last year Feb 27 01:34
wispygalaxy lol pk Feb 27 01:34
schestowitz They have a name for this man-made stream of junk Feb 27 01:34
schestowitz It probably kills animals that eat it too Feb 27 01:34
wispygalaxy i forget the name too Feb 27 01:34
Balrog_ you mean the trash? Feb 27 01:34
wispygalaxy i always cut the plastic off six-packs of cola Feb 27 01:34
wispygalaxy yes the trash, i learned about it Feb 27 01:35
Balrog_ I don’t drink cola :P Feb 27 01:35
Balrog_ yeah. :( Feb 27 01:35
wispygalaxy so the birds wont get caught Feb 27 01:35
Balrog_ well I don’t drink that stuff Feb 27 01:35
Balrog_ too much sugar and acids Feb 27 01:35
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wispygalaxy i saw a cartoon about it when i was younger, it really impacted me Feb 27 01:35
PetoKraus heh Feb 27 01:35
Balrog_ the diet stuff has chemicals that are harmful Feb 27 01:35
schestowitz Not acids, ‘flavours’ :-) Feb 27 01:35
wispygalaxy i drink diet only Feb 27 01:35
PetoKraus i’m pretty confident i burn enough stuff during the day Feb 27 01:35
Balrog_ flavors too Feb 27 01:35
wispygalaxy caffeine free also Feb 27 01:35
PetoKraus so… bring’em on. Feb 27 01:35
Balrog_ wispygalaxy: keep away from diet Feb 27 01:36
schestowitz wispygalaxy: maybe worse Feb 27 01:36
wispygalaxy i have chocolate cake soda in my fridge, diet free of course haha Feb 27 01:36
schestowitz That chemical (sweetener) is toxic Feb 27 01:36
Balrog_ the sweeteners they use are very dangerous Feb 27 01:36
wispygalaxy its not bad tasting Feb 27 01:36
PetoKraus >.> Feb 27 01:36
Balrog_ but toxic Feb 27 01:36
PetoKraus well toxic Feb 27 01:36
PetoKraus everything is toxic Feb 27 01:36
wispygalaxy the sugar gets to me though, im drinking water these days Feb 27 01:36
PetoKraus even DDT Feb 27 01:36
Balrog_ I have magazines from the late 80′s and early 90-s about that Feb 27 01:36
Balrog_ and more recently it’s got worse Feb 27 01:36
wispygalaxy uh oh Feb 27 01:37
wispygalaxy is it because of lack of regulation? Feb 27 01:37
schestowitz My Impressions of KDE 4.2 < http://jintoreedwine.wordpress.com/20… > Feb 27 01:37
PetoKraus with these things it’s hard to tell Feb 27 01:37
PetoKraus what’s FUD and what isn’t Feb 27 01:37
Balrog_ there have been reports that artificial sweeteners cause weight gain Feb 27 01:37
Balrog_ I hear the FDA works with chemical companies to allow this stuff Feb 27 01:38
PetoKraus well, there’s an allergic reaction to them so… Feb 27 01:38
Balrog_ how true it is, idk Feb 27 01:38
PetoKraus phenylalanines… Feb 27 01:38
Balrog_ also … corn syrup isn’t entirely safe either … keep that in mind Feb 27 01:38
wispygalaxy i read studies with a grain of salt Feb 27 01:38
PetoKraus salt isn’t safe either Feb 27 01:38
PetoKraus :) Feb 27 01:38
wispygalaxy data can be misleading at times Feb 27 01:38
wispygalaxy lol pk Feb 27 01:38
schestowitz Is Gentoo dying or just becoming old? < http://www.mindstab.net/wordpress/archives/454 > Feb 27 01:39
Balrog_ Read about the corn syrup manufacturing process :P Feb 27 01:39
wispygalaxy my mom used to put salt on veggies, she made me addicted Feb 27 01:39
wispygalaxy like tomatoes Feb 27 01:39
wispygalaxy wait thats a fruit Feb 27 01:39
wispygalaxy i mean cucumbers Feb 27 01:39
Balrog_ schestowitz: use ~x86 or unstable then :P Feb 27 01:39
schestowitz True, salt is harmful Feb 27 01:39
PetoKraus oh Feb 27 01:40
PetoKraus you won’t bloody get it, will you Feb 27 01:40
PetoKraus everything is harmful Feb 27 01:40
PetoKraus 5 litres of water will kill you Feb 27 01:40
schestowitz I know. Feb 27 01:40
schestowitz Yes Feb 27 01:40
schestowitz I was gonna say just that Feb 27 01:40
PetoKraus 3 spoonfuls of salt will kill you as well Feb 27 01:40
schestowitz Tuna too Feb 27 01:40
wispygalaxy one goal in life is trying to survive Feb 27 01:40
Balrog_ well, salt contains aluminum (at least table salt in the US does) Feb 27 01:40
Balrog_ not very safe, IMO Feb 27 01:40
wispygalaxy so we have these obstacles, you can say Feb 27 01:40
wispygalaxy like salt, ddt Feb 27 01:41
schestowitz Sometime it’s a matter of consuming the least harmful or the least levels of harmful ‘side effect’ Feb 27 01:41
PetoKraus I mean, DDT bioaccumulated to levels of 10^5 higher than the initial intended concentration Feb 27 01:41
PetoKraus that’s QUITE a lot Feb 27 01:41
wispygalaxy true roy Feb 27 01:42
wispygalaxy i remember that from bio, pk.  yes thats alarming Feb 27 01:42
PetoKraus if it was more toxic, it wouldn’t kill grebes, it would kill the zooplankton Feb 27 01:42
wispygalaxy there was a poster of it too in class Feb 27 01:42
schestowitz I have a good video about it.. hold on. Feb 27 01:42
PetoKraus and there wouldn’t be any problem Feb 27 01:42
PetoKraus also Feb 27 01:42
PetoKraus attempt to get rid of insects in whole texas by spraying the whole area with DDT Feb 27 01:42
PetoKraus didn’t really help Feb 27 01:42
PetoKraus this way you can detect DDT anywhere Feb 27 01:43
schestowitz Here (watch the part about nutritional recommendations): http://lessig.org/blog/2008/07/net… Feb 27 01:43
wispygalaxy i hope they warned the citizens before spraying Feb 27 01:43
wispygalaxy thanks roy Feb 27 01:43
PetoKraus it’s spread around the globe… you could for sure find it lying in my bed, in your fridge, in amazonian rainforest, or in the hilltops of himalaya Feb 27 01:43
PetoKraus it’s so easy to detect. the concentrations are harmful. Feb 27 01:44
PetoKraus *not Feb 27 01:44
PetoKraus :D Feb 27 01:44
PetoKraus the question is: Feb 27 01:44
*PetoKraus np: The Alan Parsons Project – Where’s the Walrus (The Instrumental Works) Feb 27 01:44
wispygalaxy reminds me of the simpsons movie and how they had a dome Feb 27 01:44
wispygalaxy should we do that too haha Feb 27 01:44
PetoKraus i guess i should sleep. Tomorrow lectures from 11 trough 17… Feb 27 01:45
PetoKraus today, actually Feb 27 01:45
wispygalaxy see ya! Feb 27 01:45
Balrog_ heh Feb 27 01:45
Balrog_ I have a 7-page paper due monday and a 5-page one due wednesday :/ Feb 27 01:46
schestowitz Cool! Tracking Mandriva features and specs progress < http://www.linux-wizard.net/blog-tracking_mandr… > Feb 27 01:46
wispygalaxy what’s it on, balrog? Feb 27 01:46
wispygalaxy what’s your major Feb 27 01:46
wispygalaxy thx for the link roy Feb 27 01:46
Balrog_ my major is computer science and physics (dual) Feb 27 01:47
schestowitz wispygalaxy: np Feb 27 01:47
wispygalaxy :-) Feb 27 01:47
wispygalaxy cool balrog, my major is finance Feb 27 01:47
wispygalaxy i almost went into management, but im glad i didnt.  its really not that interesting Feb 27 01:47
Balrog_ the long one is on a dissent group in America (before 1945) and the shorter one is on Jamaica Kincaid’s essay “A Small Place” Feb 27 01:48
Balrog_ computer science is great. I’m glad I don’t have to take and MS-specific courses though :) Feb 27 01:48
Balrog_ the long essay is for a course about dissent in america Feb 27 01:48
wispygalaxy im so glad i dont have literature classes anymore, i do the most work for that class Feb 27 01:48
Balrog_ yeah that’s the english. Feb 27 01:49
Balrog_ :/ Feb 27 01:49
wispygalaxy good balrog, glad to see they arent pushing ms technologies Feb 27 01:49
Balrog_ well they are Feb 27 01:49
Balrog_ if you major in information science and technology Feb 27 01:49
Balrog_ you need to take two VB.NET courses Feb 27 01:49
Balrog_ but not for CS Feb 27 01:49
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wispygalaxy my school doesnt have a MIS major Feb 27 01:50
wispygalaxy only CS Feb 27 01:50
wispygalaxy they teach java and C++ Feb 27 01:50
Balrog_ CS is better, IMO Feb 27 01:50
Balrog_ yeah, here it’s Java Feb 27 01:50
Balrog_ some C Feb 27 01:50
wispygalaxy it’s a lot of theory, right? Feb 27 01:50
Balrog_ more systems stuff Feb 27 01:50
schestowitz [H]omer: please read http://www.itwire.com/content/vi… (why to avoid Mono after TomTom case) Feb 27 01:50
Balrog_ yeah a lot of theory Feb 27 01:50
wispygalaxy i think there’s some c at my school too Feb 27 01:50
wispygalaxy do you have to take engineering classes too? Feb 27 01:51
schestowitz Teaching .NET anything is follish Feb 27 01:51
Balrog_ well you need to take software engineering Feb 27 01:51
wispygalaxy my dad had to take CS courses when he was studying for a degree in mech engineering Feb 27 01:51
schestowitz Microsoft tech, unlike say..C, is dependent on the existence of a DYING company Feb 27 01:51
wispygalaxy heh true Feb 27 01:52
Balrog_ I know someone who’s in the course and he hates it Feb 27 01:52
Balrog_ does PHP for $$$ Feb 27 01:52
schestowitz Microsoft’s stock is tanking and it’s heading into debt, maybe bankruptcy or bailout not so far from now. Feb 27 01:52
wispygalaxy i want to learn something that’s new and exciting Feb 27 01:52
wispygalaxy it’s at 16.42 i think now Feb 27 01:52
schestowitz Yes Feb 27 01:52
schestowitz Despite BUYBACKS Feb 27 01:52
schestowitz It could be well under $10 now Feb 27 01:52
wispygalaxy gm is below 2 dollars Feb 27 01:53
wispygalaxy lmao Feb 27 01:53
wispygalaxy do you like php balrog? Feb 27 01:53
schestowitz Had Microsoft not .privatized itself over the years. Feb 27 01:53
Balrog_ haven’t done it yet. So far Java is what I’ve been doing Feb 27 01:53
schestowitz wispygalaxy: gm is history Feb 27 01:53
schestowitz It will probably be nationalised or something Feb 27 01:53
wispygalaxy lol bye bye Feb 27 01:53
schestowitz Maybe sold to China. Feb 27 01:53
wispygalaxy scary stuff Feb 27 01:53
schestowitz NWO :-) j/k Feb 27 01:53
wispygalaxy java looks friendlier than a lot of other languages i think Feb 27 01:54
Balrog_ I may do C, C++, and some objective-c, as I’d like to work on cross-platform apps targeting Mac first, and then other operating systems (yeah I know….) Feb 27 01:54
wispygalaxy i looked at an intro book, i had no trouble Feb 27 01:54
Balrog_ java is annoying Feb 27 01:54
wispygalaxy roy loves java, i think ;) Feb 27 01:54
wispygalaxy he told me that once Feb 27 01:54
Balrog_ strong typing and protected memory and all are annoying Feb 27 01:54
Balrog_ I need to go Feb 27 01:54
Balrog_ talk tomorrow Feb 27 01:54
wispygalaxy bye for now! Feb 27 01:55
schestowitz cya Feb 27 01:56
wispygalaxy roy, what distro do you plan to use next? Feb 27 01:56
wispygalaxy im thinking of trying out fedora Feb 27 01:56
schestowitz Haven’t decided yet. It’s a mystery Feb 27 01:56
balzac_ clear Feb 27 01:57
wispygalaxy im a sucker for pretty guis Feb 27 01:57
balzac_ i’m online Feb 27 01:57
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balzac_ I thought I was in bash Feb 27 01:57
schestowitz GUI=desktop environments Feb 27 01:57
wispygalaxy hi balzac Feb 27 01:57
schestowitz or win managers Feb 27 01:57
balzac_ hi wispygalaxy Feb 27 01:57
schestowitz distro just puts it all gogether Feb 27 01:57
wispygalaxy interesting Feb 27 01:57
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wispygalaxy i still will go with kde Feb 27 01:58
wispygalaxy i had experience with gnome with ubuntu Feb 27 01:58
balzac ok Feb 27 01:58
wispygalaxy what do you use balzac? Feb 27 01:59
wispygalaxy im on debian now Feb 27 01:59
balzac i’m using ubuntu Feb 27 01:59
balzac i’m thinking of debian Feb 27 01:59
balzac as well as gnewsense Feb 27 01:59
wispygalaxy plain ubuntu or with something other than gnome Feb 27 01:59
balzac I don’t like that ubuntu ships with mono… I’m just not being very proactive about it lately. Feb 27 01:59
balzac i’m using gnome without mono Feb 27 02:00
wispygalaxy cool balzac Feb 27 02:00
balzac I’m even using flash player, but I really ought to get rid of it. Feb 27 02:01
balzac I’m a bit hooked on youtube Feb 27 02:01
balzac but i don’t develop flash anymore, so I’m not adding to the problem. Feb 27 02:01
schestowitz balzac: Flash is not useful for Flash Feb 27 02:02
schestowitz The whole thing is useful for some codec inside it Feb 27 02:02
balzac what are you using? Feb 27 02:02
schestowitz That’s all Feb 27 02:02
schestowitz I use the binary Feb 27 02:02
wispygalaxy haha i am a youtube addict too Feb 27 02:02
schestowitz It comes inside Mandriva out of the box Feb 27 02:02
balzac well, I like to grab the flash files out of /tmp because I want to save some of them. Feb 27 02:02
schestowitz But I have Flash blocked.. just YouTube and other videos are used for it Feb 27 02:02
schestowitz Ogg fits well here. Feb 27 02:02
schestowitz Had we had Ogg before the Flash video infestation, things would be different. Feb 27 02:03
balzac hmm, I might like to borrow your configuration Feb 27 02:03
schestowitz You can get a seamonkey config Feb 27 02:03
schestowitz I can click two buttons to d/l youtube vids Feb 27 02:03
schestowitz that’s how I make oggs Feb 27 02:03
balzac I have tried pytube Feb 27 02:03
schestowitz I used it before Feb 27 02:04
schestowitz Google moves the goalposts tio break it. Feb 27 02:04
schestowitz I’ve downloaded YouTube in like 4 different ways over the past 2 years Feb 27 02:04
balzac But you end up with such a gigantic ogg file if you don’t want to lose quality Feb 27 02:04
balzac I use firebug too Feb 27 02:04
balzac I believe in software civil disobedience Feb 27 02:05
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balzac in my opinion, there has to be a better way to deal with proprietary encoded content than just going without that content Feb 27 02:05
wispygalaxy oops guys i g2g now, i’ll see you later Feb 27 02:06
schestowitz be back soon Feb 27 02:06
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schestowitz balzac: it’s all about control Feb 27 02:06
wispygalaxy i will roy, take care!  xx Feb 27 02:06
schestowitz Also for the codecs makers Feb 27 02:06
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schestowitz It gives them leverage Feb 27 02:06
balzac the issue of proprietary compression algorithms – I say content is content and whoever says I can’t make software to decode content in their proprietary codec… Feb 27 02:07
schestowitz codecs are locks… like DRM Feb 27 02:07
balzac it’s a hostile act Feb 27 02:07
schestowitz They have ‘key’ standards Feb 27 02:07
schestowitz And they want to put people’s family vids in their lcoker Feb 27 02:07
balzac hmm Feb 27 02:07
schestowitz So hey can rent you keys Feb 27 02:08
schestowitz Via software vendors (licensing) Feb 27 02:08
balzac scumbags Feb 27 02:08
balzac well, there has to be a more direct way of battling them. Feb 27 02:08
balzac How about this – deface their binaries Feb 27 02:08
balzac take their binaries which they distribute, edit with a binary editor, add some subversive message, distribute in violation of their copyright – voila – software civil disobedience Feb 27 02:09
balzac breaking the law in a way which they find most offensive Feb 27 02:09
balzac Because I wouldn’t want to sit around, trying to maintain something which serves the same purpose. Feb 27 02:10
balzac Isn’t that an important part of this game? breaking the law? Feb 27 02:10
schestowitz I guess.. Feb 27 02:11
schestowitz Is that DMCA or just patents? Feb 27 02:11
balzac not sure Feb 27 02:11
schestowitz People can watch their own videos Feb 27 02:11
schestowitz I’m not talking about drm and dvds though Feb 27 02:11
balzac I’m just pissed at the hostility of these @sshole software companies making everyone miserable with their proprietary codecs. Feb 27 02:12
schestowitz If I put my data in MPEG trap, then I can crack the cr*p out of this codecs to rescue family videos, right? Feb 27 02:12
schestowitz Else it’s an unethical restriction Feb 27 02:12
balzac DMCA is crap. Feb 27 02:12
balzac It’s un-american and un-constitutional. Feb 27 02:12
schestowitz As one person said here yesterday, “I care about ethics, not law” Feb 27 02:12
balzac civil disobedience is the right approach Feb 27 02:12
balzac exactly Feb 27 02:13
schestowitz You were here Feb 27 02:13
balzac that’s why I tip my hat to the guys at pirate bay Feb 27 02:13
balzac maybe Feb 27 02:13
schestowitz It was about sending white-collar criminals to prison Feb 27 02:13
schestowitz See their homepage Feb 27 02:13
schestowitz Nice picture Feb 27 02:13
balzac right Feb 27 02:13
balzac yeah Feb 27 02:13
balzac That’s probably a good idea Feb 27 02:16
balzac “breakin the law, breakin the law” Feb 27 02:16
balzac Judas Priest Feb 27 02:18
schestowitz Hmmm… Feb 27 02:21
schestowitz If they block this.. Feb 27 02:21
schestowitz That would promote CC Feb 27 02:22
schestowitz I’s rather see Hollywood getting broke while people don’t give a c* about its output than watch it dying because many people watch its stuff and some don’t pay Feb 27 02:23
balzac well, i’m trying to envision victory, not an endless, protracted war of attrition. Feb 27 02:23
schestowitz Hollywood has always been highly relaiant on massive privileged audiences that enabled massive production (big budgets for blockbuster Feb 27 02:23
schestowitz You can take the wind off their sales by avoiding their stuff (which I pretty much do) Feb 27 02:23
balzac i don’t agree Feb 27 02:24
balzac i say get the content, slap their brand Feb 27 02:24
balzac I don’t want to miss obama’s weekly address, for example Feb 27 02:25
balzac I’m away for a while. Feb 27 02:27
balzac Keep the good news coming Roy. Feb 27 02:27
balzac I love to read about M$ problems. Feb 27 02:28
schestowitz OK, I’ll do that tomorrow Feb 27 02:30
schestowitz The TomTom case kept me too busy reading Feb 27 02:30
schestowitz I also commented for the press, so expect another article with me in it. 3rd in a week! ;-) Feb 27 02:30
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MinceR geekings Feb 27 09:22
schestowitz Morning Feb 27 09:22
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MinceR http://styrofoamsmiles.com/blog/2009/02/unloc… Feb 27 10:14
schestowitz Makes sense Feb 27 10:16
MinceR yeah, i’d be surprised if google didn’t fail at something once Feb 27 10:19
schestowitz Phonarchy Feb 27 10:22
oiaohm Someone cracking software banned.  Ok status normal. Feb 27 10:25
schestowitz Kill switch would be over the line Feb 27 10:29
oiaohm If you wrote that into the contract that it was allowed I bet most people would not read it schestowitz Feb 27 10:30
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mkko sweet, using power methods to back up your weak protection. Stone age DRM. Feb 27 10:43
oiaohm Nastiest DRM would be one that blew a fuseable link in main cpu stopping it dead. Feb 27 10:44
oiaohm Yep hardware bricked. Feb 27 10:45
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mkko well, it’s not like people won’t use apps, they just won’t pay Feb 27 10:54
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schestowitz Yahoo! will hopefully not form some alliance with the Vole. Bartz Announces Yahoo Reorganization < http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2009/02/26/… > Feb 27 11:25
schestowitz http://www.channelregister.co.uk… ‘Looking ahead, Hovsepian said that Novell was “investigating all opportunities to lower costs,” and that might mean more layoffs. (He did not use the L-Word).’ Feb 27 11:43
schestowitz Novell could axe jobs on falling demand < http://www.thewest.com.au/default…. > Feb 27 11:44
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schestowitz http://www.infoworld.com/article/09/02… “Microsoft declined to respond to Schestowitz’s comment.” Feb 27 11:55
schestowitz What, no luv from Microsoft? Feb 27 11:55
schestowitz http://discuss.itwire.com/viewtopi… Feb 27 11:59
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oiaohm Seams these days you are getting more press coverage than the MS stills managed to create schestowitz Feb 27 12:29
MinceR oiaohm: “app developer” != “someone cracking software” Feb 27 12:29
schestowitz oiaohm: thanks. Feb 27 12:32
schestowitz Check this out: http://wikileaks.org/wiki/European_Com… Feb 27 12:32
schestowitz Appalling. They have no shame. This is like white-collar crime, but no suit can conceal a filthy crook. Feb 27 12:32
oiaohm MinceR: its nothing uncommon for development platforms not to be able to run real applications. Feb 27 12:32
oiaohm Sony PSX development console requiered everything signed for it. Feb 27 12:33
MinceR that’s great, but even then the users can’t choose a reasonably usable version of the g1 Feb 27 12:33
oiaohm I guess the unlocked version can be flashed with a lock version firmware. Feb 27 12:33
MinceR the “normal” version is locked down; the “developer” version disallows access to the android market Feb 27 12:34
MinceR i guess someone will eventually come up with a pda/phone that doesn’t suck. Feb 27 12:34
oiaohm Question are they the same phone changable by firmware. Feb 27 12:34
oiaohm That would be same class as PS2. Feb 27 12:34
oiaohm Of course to turn as PS2 into development mode you need the development firmware. Feb 27 12:35
oiaohm Basically its not strange. Feb 27 12:35
schestowitz Unrest at Novell. “Look at what Hubert Figuiere hinted at in his blog post as to Novell’s rudderless position. Acquisitions in Novell’s state and in the current climate and laying off employees? WTF?” < http://www.osnews.com/thread?350654 > Feb 27 12:36
oiaohm The development version is basically pre cracked.  If you allowed commercial applications on there you could basically copy them no problems. Feb 27 12:36
schestowitz Novell CEO’s 2008 compensation was $6.9 million < http://www.boston.com/business/ticker/2… > Feb 27 12:36
schestowitz http://investerms.com/index.php?news=921 “Information technology icon Novell, Inc. (NDAQ: NOVL ) fared poorly even in this economy: down more than 50% over the last 12 months. This didn’t stop CEO Ronald Hovsepian from getting compensation valued at almost $7 million for the year, with nearly $3 million of that in cash.” No recession for the HOVSEPIAN family. :-D Feb 27 12:37
schestowitz Cool! http://www.qimo4kids.com/default.aspx Feb 27 12:43
schestowitz But why the heck is it ASPX????? Feb 27 12:44
schestowitz katherine noyes from the LinuxInsider (ECT) thing is prominent in the tags :-S Feb 27 12:44
MinceR oiaohm: i could basically copy them anyway, considering that DRM is a useless lie. Feb 27 12:44
MinceR what google did is basically forcing some of their users to pirate software Feb 27 12:45
MinceR which is incredibly stupid. Feb 27 12:45
oiaohm It is not the first device with the development version cannot use other closed source applications. Feb 27 12:48
oiaohm Simple fact what google has done has basically be normal prac of the last 18 years on development versions of embeded devices. Feb 27 12:48
MinceR ah, so if someone has done something stupid before, it is not stupid at all Feb 27 12:49
MinceR s/has/had/ Feb 27 12:49
MinceR also, let’s just conveniently ignore the fact that pda/phones aren’t typical embedded devices. Feb 27 12:50
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oiaohm When pda and phones started they were pure embeded devices. Feb 27 13:11
oiaohm Basically the rules of development have not grown with the platform MinceR Feb 27 13:12
MinceR the hype has, though. Feb 27 13:12
MinceR though afaik pdas have long ago grown out of the “pure embedded” period already Feb 27 13:12
MinceR it’s the telcos — and whoever willing to completely submit to them (google, apple, others) — that are ruining the party. Feb 27 13:13
MinceR somehow the freerunner wasn’t banned anywhere yet :> Feb 27 13:13
schestowitz The mortgage mentality: buy (rent) cheaply now, pay over time. Feb 27 13:14
oiaohm Nop some pda still have kept closed source software path for drm play back. Feb 27 13:20
oiaohm Ie development version cannot play drm media. Feb 27 13:20
oiaohm Yes its not as grown up as what lots of people want to think MinceR Feb 27 13:20
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amarsh04 whoever mentioned qtpfsgui before… thanks… unlike okular it doesn’t take too long on file open dialogues Feb 27 13:46
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schestowitz Hey, schestowitz Feb 27 13:48
schestowitz seller_liar: Feb 27 13:48
seller_liar schestowitz: hello roy Feb 27 13:50
seller_liar schestowitz: I was thinking Feb 27 13:51
seller_liar schestowitz: We live in a bipolar society Feb 27 13:51
seller_liar schestowitz: Divided in consumption and production Feb 27 13:53
seller_liar schestowitz: We must change this to: Feb 27 13:53
seller_liar schestowitz: consumption, production and reflection Feb 27 13:53
seller_liar schestowitz: People should think about their habits of consumption and production Feb 27 13:54
seller_liar schestowitz: In ethics, clear Feb 27 13:54
schestowitz Yes. Feb 27 13:54
seller_liar schestowitz: In a ethical way ,of course Feb 27 13:54
schestowitz But it’s not designed to work this way Feb 27 13:54
schestowitz Corporations recklessly consume Feb 27 13:55
schestowitz And then expect socialism to come and bail them out once in a while Feb 27 13:55
schestowitz “Tough love” Feb 27 13:55
seller_liar schestowitz: People still think they should only produce and consume Feb 27 13:55
seller_liar schestowitz: People should include ethics in their lives Feb 27 13:55
seller_liar schestowitz: People dream of consume more, produce more thinking that this is good Feb 27 13:56
seller_liar schestowitz: People should get used to doing the routine things always remembering the impact that they cause ethical Feb 27 13:58
seller_liar schestowitz: Sorry , bad translation Feb 27 13:58
seller_liar schestowitz: People must think about ethics all the time Feb 27 13:58
schestowitz seller_liar: have you seen the programme “century of the self”? Feb 27 13:59
seller_liar schestowitz: When you buy a product, in time to produce a product Feb 27 13:59
seller_liar schestowitz: no sorry Feb 27 13:59
schestowitz There’s also the consideration of a third party Feb 27 13:59
seller_liar schestowitz: bad translation again Feb 27 14:00
schestowitz People think of the effect only in two-way relationships Feb 27 14:00
schestowitz Hold on… Feb 27 14:00
schestowitz Watch this programme: http://www.youtube.com/watch?… Feb 27 14:00
seller_liar schestowitz: people must think about ethics ,every time which buys a product Feb 27 14:01
seller_liar schestowitz: We must create a ethical consciousness Feb 27 14:01
seller_liar schestowitz: Ok I will see Feb 27 14:02
seller_liar schestowitz: thanks Feb 27 14:02
seller_liar schestowitz: for example Feb 27 14:02
seller_liar schestowitz: Every time I buy a product (cola ,coca -cola  for example) Feb 27 14:03
seller_liar schestowitz: I remember about a company of product Feb 27 14:03
seller_liar schestowitz:And the case of coca ,I always hate coca-cola because of company that produces Feb 27 14:04
seller_liar schestowitz: This is ethical  consciousness Feb 27 14:05
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schestowitz People are taught not to think about that Feb 27 14:10
schestowitz They choose brands based on music and images they are shown on TV (a form of hypnosis addressing the deeper human thinking) Feb 27 14:10
seller_liar seller_liar:Skinner , a good psychologist Feb 27 14:11
seller_liar schestowitz: Skinner , a good psychologist Feb 27 14:11
seller_liar schestowitz: Propaganda = Skinner theory Feb 27 14:11
seller_liar schestowitz: Turn a bad thing (cigarettes) with a good thing (women and cars) Result = cigarette is good Feb 27 14:13
seller_liar schestowitz:sorry ,turn = put Feb 27 14:14
seller_liar schestowitz: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B._F._Skinner Feb 27 14:15
schestowitz Yes, that’s about right Feb 27 14:15
schestowitz Did you see the video? Feb 27 14:15
seller_liar schestowitz: No , I will see later Feb 27 14:16
seller_liar schestowitz: Tobbaco company uses skinner strategy Feb 27 14:17
schestowitz Not only Feb 27 14:17
schestowitz .Bernays made women smoke Feb 27 14:17
schestowitz Same type of tactics Feb 27 14:17
seller_liar schestowitz: Coca-cola too Feb 27 14:18
schestowitz Same applied to advertising of iPods, cars, wars (invasions)… Feb 27 14:18
schestowitz Yes, Coca Cola is about images and music, not merits of water with acids and sugars Feb 27 14:18
seller_liar schestowitz: Coca does a lot of propaganda  about ecology , good will Feb 27 14:18
schestowitz Yes, they must Feb 27 14:19
seller_liar schestowitz: Because images are a good thing Feb 27 14:19
schestowitz Politicians told corporations that they must pretend like this Feb 27 14:19
amarsh04 I love the way that the tobacco counter at my local supermarket (as required by law) a large colour picture of a gangrenous foot with a warning that smoking causes that problem Feb 27 14:19
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