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03.02.09

IRC: #boycottnovell @ FreeNode: March 2nd, 2009 – Part 2

Posted in IRC Logs at 11:35 pm by Dr. Roy Schestowitz

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schestowitz They used to be over 300 Mar 02 15:50
schestowitz MinceR: in statistics Mar 02 15:50
schestowitz I’m looking at some graphs Mar 02 15:50
schestowitz Novell is almost below $3 now. Wow Mar 02 15:51
twitter deviation depends on the distribution Mar 02 15:54
schestowitz Gaussian Mar 02 15:55
schestowitz Anyway, I got it. Mar 02 15:55
twitter then the usual rules apply, cool Mar 02 15:56
schestowitz I’m also tracking NOVL right now Mar 02 15:56
schestowitz I want to grab a shot when it goes to $2.xx Mar 02 15:56
twitter I’m waiting for them to sink below 2.49 Mar 02 15:57
twitter that is their 52 week low and will completely erase the greedy gains given to them by M$’s 2004 software patent attack. Mar 02 16:00
twitter failure by greed Mar 02 16:01
schestowitz MSFT @ $15.xx today; NOVL almost at $2.xx . Interesting times Mar 02 16:04
schestowitz I’m also hearing privately about some big news coming Mar 02 16:05
schestowitz re: Novell Mar 02 16:05
schestowitz big news from ati also Mar 02 16:06
schestowitz amd.. Mar 02 16:06
twitter good or bad? Mar 02 16:06
PetoKraus alright guys Mar 02 16:06
schestowitz Can’t tell. Mar 02 16:06
PetoKraus did you read the novell layoff thing @ phoronix? Mar 02 16:06
schestowitz Yes Mar 02 16:06
schestowitz There’s more info coming Mar 02 16:06
PetoKraus that’s retarded, ain’t it Mar 02 16:06
PetoKraus good Mar 02 16:06
PetoKraus well Mar 02 16:07
PetoKraus i doubt it’s good info Mar 02 16:07
schestowitz you’ll c Mar 02 16:07
PetoKraus :) i hope Mar 02 16:12
PetoKraus 7,054,745  Method and system for generating driving directions. Mar 02 16:37
PetoKraus that’s a brilliant patent Mar 02 16:37
PetoKraus does it mean everytime i tell someone how to drive to my flat Mar 02 16:37
PetoKraus i violate it? Mar 02 16:37
schestowitz maybe if you use “computer” Mar 02 16:43
PetoKraus duh Mar 02 16:43
schestowitz Or “on the Internet”. That’s a common one Mar 02 16:43
PetoKraus how the hell do you think i’m going to tell the person how to get here? Mar 02 16:43
PetoKraus by royal mail? Mar 02 16:43
PetoKraus smoke signals?? Mar 02 16:43
PetoKraus even a phone is a computer nowadays Mar 02 16:44
PetoKraus come on Mar 02 16:44
PetoKraus :) Mar 02 16:44
PetoKraus why is it so costly to defend yourself in patent suits? Mar 02 16:44
PetoKraus i mean, you have to pay your lawyer, and, what else? Mar 02 16:45
schestowitz Patents are good fun… like standup comedy Mar 02 16:45
schestowitz Lawyers often lobby for these laws in the first place. They make themselves jobs this way. Some monopolies like it too because only they can afford a portfolio. Mar 02 16:46
PetoKraus brb Mar 02 16:54
schestowitz Reader writes: “The EU pased the US last year: https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/th… Bill’s software patents will likely make sure it stays that way, unless they become a problem here, too.” Mar 02 16:54
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schestowitz I worry that we’re growing too fast overall though. See http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-… . The human population doubles almost every 20 years. Mar 02 16:54
schestowitz http://www.itwire.com/content/… (Vista voted tech world’s biggest fiasco) Mar 02 16:56
twitter lawsuit costs are often driven up by abusive discovery.  they ask for all sorts of records in the most expensive form possible to waste your lawyer’s time Mar 02 17:19
twitter ha ha, another Vista failure Mar 02 17:20
twitter new 52 week low for M$FT, $15.86 Mar 02 17:21
schestowitz Typical Inquirer headline:  Microsoft kicks lesbian from Xbox Live < http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/206/1… > Mar 02 17:26
schestowitz Spansion files for bankruptcy protection  < http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news… > Isn’t this old news by now? With fewer people buying new HW, they’d better take a look at some Lenny for an upgrade. XP won’t last for much longer and it’s already moldy and ugly Mar 02 17:28
schestowitz Microsoft WIndows is attacking the Internet again: http://www.itwire.com/conten… Mar 02 17:29
schestowitz AIG CEO on Record-Breaking Q4 Loss Mar 02 17:36
schestowitz Lost $61 billion in last Q.  Puts s/w industry in perspective… so feeble. Energy industry likewise.. Mar 02 17:38
schestowitz Going public… oh dear. Mar 02 17:38
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schestowitz WTF?? Mar 02 17:39
schestowitz Chinese companies want to buy parts of AIG for nothing. Mar 02 17:39
schestowitz This is disastrous! Watch the NBS interview. http://cosmos.bcst.yahoo.com/up/financ… Mar 02 17:40
schestowitz *CNBS(typo) Mar 02 17:40
schestowitz *NBS Mar 02 17:40
schestowitz *NBC (I can’t type it right) Mar 02 17:41
schestowitz “SHY and retiring, softly-spoken Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer says that Apple’s iPhone is about to be kicked to touch by the likes of Windows Mobile and Android operating systems.”    Comedy Ballmer’s comment of the week  < http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news… > Mar 02 17:43
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schestowitz Old FUD fighting is back: http://www.handlewithlinux.com/the-u… Mar 02 17:52
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balzac Why does Steve Ballmer have nice things to say about Android? Mar 02 18:19
balzac Probably because he finds it more respectable than GNU/Linux because Android doesn’t have the GNU utitilies Mar 02 18:20
balzac Microsoft reviles GNU, but they’re not so stressed about Linux because Linus Torvalds is such a critic of RMS. Mar 02 18:21
schestowitz Because GNU likes freedom Mar 02 18:22
schestowitz T’so and Linus are resistant to it Mar 02 18:22
tessier_ RMS is the worst marketing person EVER. Mar 02 18:22
schestowitz They use it (now) parlty as a tool to attract more devs Mar 02 18:22
schestowitz tessier: agreed. Mar 02 18:22
tessier_ A shame that such an important concept inherited such a smart but anti-social person. Mar 02 18:22
balzac well, his software is pretty widely propagated for someone who is bad at marketing Mar 02 18:23
tessier_ Someone needs to found the Free Software Organisation Mar 02 18:23
MinceR he’s not a marketing person at all. Mar 02 18:23
schestowitz Anti-social is not something I agree with Mar 02 18:23
schestowitz He is actually very social Mar 02 18:23
MinceR it’s a sad world we live in because marketers matter. Mar 02 18:23
schestowitz But he disregards those who are anrti-social Mar 02 18:23
tessier_ I’ve met him. I like the guy. He comes off as a total dick. Mar 02 18:23
schestowitz Their indocrination system prevents them from realising it Mar 02 18:23
tessier_ Why do I like him despite his outward personality? Because I know what’s underneath it. Mar 02 18:24
schestowitz Yes Mar 02 18:24
schestowitz But to say he’s anti-social is to look only on the surface Mar 02 18:24
tessier_ But in a world where you have to dress professionally and at least have clean fingernails to make the sale he fails. Mar 02 18:24
schestowitz Watch his political blog Mar 02 18:24
tessier_ Right. Which is as far as most people are going to look. Mar 02 18:24
tessier_ You have to entice them to look deeper. And he can’t do that. Mar 02 18:24
schestowitz He very calmly comments critically on mortal issues. Mar 02 18:24
schestowitz He went through anger management too Mar 02 18:25
schestowitz tessier: that’s the ‘beauty’ of the ‘system’ Mar 02 18:25
schestowitz It repels anyone but dicks who take you for dinner Mar 02 18:25
schestowitz Does that make people from say.. Ethiopia… not worth doing business with? Mar 02 18:25
schestowitz They are likely to be more honest than people in suits Mar 02 18:26
balzac RMS doesn’t need to worry about enticing people Mar 02 18:26
schestowitz But people in suits are skilled at hiding motives and also believe their lies Mar 02 18:26
balzac Does Steve Ballmer try to entice people? Mar 02 18:26
schestowitz He need to bully OEMs Mar 02 18:26
schestowitz So that ‘customers’ (PC shoppers) have no choice Mar 02 18:27
schestowitz PearlyG is still spending money on buying a new image Mar 02 18:27
balzac marketing or “presentation” does matter Mar 02 18:34
balzac it’s not such a terrible thing Mar 02 18:34
balzac it’s bad how marketing can be used to sell absolute hell Mar 02 18:34
balzac what it comes down to is that GNU-events need to have really hot booth-babes Mar 02 18:35
balzac If I make enough money, I will sponsor GNU-branded events and there will be strippers Mar 02 18:35
balzac nobody will be looking at RMS’ beard when the girls start dancing Mar 02 18:36
trmanco http://itmanagement.earthweb.com/osrc/a… Mar 02 18:37
schestowitz Hehe. Mar 02 18:37
schestowitz trmanco: there’s more coming. TomTom’s got some ‘newer’ news Mar 02 18:38
trmanco good or bad news? schestowitz Mar 02 18:38
schestowitz trmanco: none really, none in particular. Mar 02 19:03
balzac Senior Flash Developer Position – NYC, up to $110K Mar 02 19:04
balzac sheesh, that’s a nice salary Mar 02 19:04
balzac But I quit using Flash Mar 02 19:05
balzac I need to get better at Drupal Mar 02 19:05
schestowitz An analysis of how prevalent GNU/Linux is, particularly on the server: http://boycottnovell.com/2009/03/02/gart… Mar 02 19:05
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trmanco ok Mar 02 19:28
schestowitz http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?… “Be carefull, GNOME Do is just another stupid Mono app financed by M$-Novell trying to parasite Linux. “ Mar 02 19:35
Balrog hello again Mar 02 19:59
Balrog flash sucks, but it’s not going anywhere anytime soon :/ Mar 02 20:00
schestowitz I know… Someone wrote to say “Would you consider switching that to an irc://irc.freenode.org link so it will work from GNU-Linux etc?” Should I just add <a href=”irc://irc.freenode.org”></a> ? Mar 02 20:02
schestowitz Another issue was the lack of contact E-mail address :-) “I couldn’t spot your email address or even a contact web-form on your blog, I had to google your name to find the email address on freshmeat! Would you consider adding your address to the site?” Mar 02 20:03
schestowitz The issue was abusive mails I was getting, so never mind that,. Mar 02 20:03
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schestowitz I yearn for some more work on Comes. I’ve done some googling to ensure I can get directory path by searching for doc_is (e.g. px002233). This means I can go to 3-4 mirrors for exact copy < http://iowa.gotthefacts.org/011607/ >. I wondered where they all came from. :-S Mar 02 20:04
Balrog schestowitz: which IRC link? Mar 02 20:05
Balrog and about your email, encode it some way Mar 02 20:05
Balrog like make a box with letters from your email and other letters, and make some green and red Mar 02 20:05
Balrog and tell people that the red ones are to be ignored and the green ones are part of your email Mar 02 20:06
Balrog that can be done with a graphic or with html Mar 02 20:06
Balrog yes, you’ll have no clickability but it will be safer Mar 02 20:06
Balrog schestowitz: have you found any good mirrors? Mar 02 20:07
Balrog also see http://iowa.gotthefacts.org/010807/ Mar 02 20:10
Balrog seems like there is an index on the front page Mar 02 20:11
schestowitz Yes, I need these Mar 02 20:12
schestowitz Balrog: I ought to add an IRC link that’s also direct Mar 02 20:13
Balrog that would help Mar 02 20:13
Balrog and not only Linux users can use these links, by the way Mar 02 20:13
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wispygalaxy hello everyone! Mar 02 20:17
Balrog hello wispygalaxy! Mar 02 20:17
wispygalaxy hey there balrog! Mar 02 20:17
wispygalaxy i have a snow day today woot Mar 02 20:17
Balrog yeah me too Mar 02 20:17
wispygalaxy cool Mar 02 20:18
wispygalaxy got like 8 inches of snow Mar 02 20:18
Balrog but only 1/3 classes are cancelled Mar 02 20:18
Balrog (but both are finished by now) Mar 02 20:18
wispygalaxy all of my classes were canceled Mar 02 20:18
Balrog cool; that’s nice Mar 02 20:18
schestowitz Hi again. Mar 02 20:18
wispygalaxy thats good balrog, now you can relax Mar 02 20:18
Balrog here they aren’t so generous Mar 02 20:18
wispygalaxy hu roy :D Mar 02 20:18
wispygalaxy hi* Mar 02 20:18
Balrog except that I have papers due :/ Mar 02 20:18
schestowitz I’ve just added text and link to IRC (direct) Mar 02 20:18
wispygalaxy thats too bad balrog :( Mar 02 20:18
wispygalaxy i have a case study for management class Mar 02 20:18
wispygalaxy i was about to read your posts roy Mar 02 20:19
Balrog schestowitz: where? Mar 02 20:19
wispygalaxy on the FP of BN Mar 02 20:19
wispygalaxy i just came here Mar 02 20:19
wispygalaxy my spring break is this friday haha Mar 02 20:19
wispygalaxy in this weather… Mar 02 20:20
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Balrog my spring break is from the 9th to the 18th Mar 02 20:20
Balrog monday to friday to wednesday :) Mar 02 20:20
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wispygalaxy yours is longer grrr Mar 02 20:20
wispygalaxy XD Mar 02 20:20
Balrog schestowitz: see the comment by carlo.98 here: http://www.roughlydrafted.com/2009/02/26… Mar 02 20:20
Balrog :D Mar 02 20:20
wispygalaxy thanks for the link! Mar 02 20:21
Balrog (the second comment) Mar 02 20:21
Balrog by him Mar 02 20:21
schestowitz Balrog: OK, hold on. Mar 02 20:21
Balrog k Mar 02 20:21
*schestowitz just finished the IRC thing in BN Mar 02 20:21
Balrog where? Mar 02 20:22
wispygalaxy who’s carlos.98 balrog Mar 02 20:22
Balrog someone who commented on that blog post Mar 02 20:22
Balrog don’t know him, but what he says is quite true Mar 02 20:22
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wispygalaxy ohhh ok, i thought it was someone from the site Mar 02 20:22
Balrog note that on this strongly mac-oriented blog, no one disagrees with him directly Mar 02 20:22
wispygalaxy this site i mean Mar 02 20:22
Balrog nope. Mar 02 20:22
wispygalaxy ok cool Mar 02 20:23
schestowitz Balrog: Roughly Drafted used to be better Mar 02 20:23
wispygalaxy the blog post is correct, what is ms gonna do haha Mar 02 20:23
schestowitz wispygalaxy: Lose money Mar 02 20:24
Balrog I know; I read them because there’s still a lot correct in there. I like reading old stuff, but that site isn’t well indexed Mar 02 20:24
Balrog :/ Mar 02 20:24
schestowitz As long as they can yell “market share!” Mar 02 20:24
wispygalaxy it’s inevitable for them to lose money Mar 02 20:24
schestowitz I posted about this in BN an hour ago Mar 02 20:24
schestowitz See the post reg: IDC, gartner Mar 02 20:24
wispygalaxy cool roy Mar 02 20:24
Balrog I saw it. Mar 02 20:24
wispygalaxy yeah i like a good indexed site Mar 02 20:24
Balrog it’s well cross-linked but not indexed Mar 02 20:24
wispygalaxy drives me crazy when that happens Mar 02 20:25
Balrog with all the cross-links there, once you start reading (older stuff) you’ll be sitting for hours Mar 02 20:25
schestowitz Maybs some company in China will scoop up MSFT when it’s another Citi-like rubble. Mar 02 20:25
wispygalaxy haha like wikipedia balrog Mar 02 20:25
wispygalaxy china is on a shopping spree Mar 02 20:25
Balrog hopefully the investors will realize what’s going on and put a stop to this; maybe there’s something that can be saved from it Mar 02 20:25
schestowitz Balrog: the indexes will come. Mar 02 20:25
Balrog I’ Mar 02 20:26
schestowitz Later this year, I think. Mar 02 20:26
schestowitz I organise these in a Wiki Mar 02 20:26
Balrog I’m talking about roughlydrafted now Mar 02 20:26
Balrog it’s badly indexed :( Mar 02 20:26
schestowitz The strtaure that’s logical needs to be worked out because there is more than one story Mar 02 20:26
schestowitz Balrog: OH, okay.. Mar 02 20:26
Balrog finding older stuff is hard, but that older stuff is well cross-linked Mar 02 20:26
schestowitz BN too lacks indexed Mar 02 20:26
schestowitz *indexes (indices) Mar 02 20:26
Balrog yes. :/ Mar 02 20:26
wispygalaxy i still can find what i want here roy :) Mar 02 20:27
wispygalaxy do a google search Mar 02 20:27
wispygalaxy anyway, my friend told me that he wanted to try out linux mint last week Mar 02 20:27
schestowitz No brown? Mar 02 20:27
Balrog yeah but at roughlydrafted there’s so much volume of old stuff … and stuff that doesn’t go out of date quickly …. so you get swamped when searching Mar 02 20:27
schestowitz Brownux Mar 02 20:28
wispygalaxy his other friend was interested too because his vista was screwed Mar 02 20:28
Balrog wispygalaxy: I got one of these http://computers.pricegrabber.com/network-storage-… at circuit city with 70% off :) Mar 02 20:28
wispygalaxy haha roy Mar 02 20:28
wispygalaxy i always change the default theme Mar 02 20:28
wispygalaxy oooo thats nice balrog Mar 02 20:28
Balrog I have ssh running on it and some other stuff. But the 16MB of RAM it has is tight Mar 02 20:28
wispygalaxy 16mb??? wow Mar 02 20:29
wispygalaxy can you run DSL on it Mar 02 20:29
Balrog yes. It’s a linux kernel though Mar 02 20:29
Balrog no, it’s a NAS (network-attached storage) box Mar 02 20:29
wispygalaxy oh i didnt read closely Mar 02 20:29
Balrog I have a separate router Mar 02 20:29
Balrog (without Linux) Mar 02 20:30
wispygalaxy oops i didnt see the storage device part Mar 02 20:30
Balrog but I use this to tunnel into home Mar 02 20:30
wispygalaxy whats the biggest flash drive you have Mar 02 20:30
wispygalaxy i have a 4 GB Mar 02 20:30
Balrog me? 16GB Mar 02 20:30
wispygalaxy i have a old computer that’s 19 GB that used to run win 98 Mar 02 20:31
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Balrog heh Mar 02 20:31
wispygalaxy got it in 1999 Mar 02 20:31
Balrog I have old computers too Mar 02 20:31
wispygalaxy from dell Mar 02 20:31
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Balrog my smallest hard drives are 20MB I think Mar 02 20:31
Balrog mostly Apple …. :) Mar 02 20:31
wispygalaxy my dad still uses floppies Mar 02 20:31
Balrog heh Mar 02 20:31
wispygalaxy he has a 1974 HP calculator Mar 02 20:32
Balrog those calculators are great Mar 02 20:32
Balrog btw Mar 02 20:32
wispygalaxy that he used when he was studying to become a mechanical engineer Mar 02 20:32
wispygalaxy thanks Mar 02 20:32
Balrog it’s a 15c or 16c ? Mar 02 20:32
wispygalaxy he still uses it to this day haha Mar 02 20:32
Balrog uses RPN? Mar 02 20:32
wispygalaxy i have no clue, ill ask him and get back to you on that Mar 02 20:32
wispygalaxy :) Mar 02 20:33
Balrog (meaning you enter stuff backwards, like 2 enter 4 enter + enter and you get 6?) Mar 02 20:33
wispygalaxy i think so Mar 02 20:33
wispygalaxy oh yeah it does Mar 02 20:33
Balrog yeah that’s cool Mar 02 20:33
Balrog I have a Ti-89 Ti calculator :) Mar 02 20:33
wispygalaxy when we did math homework together, he’s use it XD Mar 02 20:33
Balrog :P Mar 02 20:33
wispygalaxy in my AP calculus class, a kid had that too ;) Mar 02 20:33
Balrog heh Mar 02 20:34
wispygalaxy but i still have my silver edition ti-83 plus Mar 02 20:34
Balrog yeah the silver editions are nice Mar 02 20:34
Balrog though the 89 is better in its own way Mar 02 20:34
wispygalaxy i got it for free because my regular ti-83 plus had a broken screen.  it looked like as if someone spilled black ink inside it Mar 02 20:34
wispygalaxy a refund for it Mar 02 20:34
Balrog unfortunately, those things are too small (RAM and Flash) to run any alternative OS on it Mar 02 20:35
wispygalaxy the 89 looks cooler :) Mar 02 20:35
Balrog did you break it? Mar 02 20:35
wispygalaxy nope, it went like that itself Mar 02 20:35
Balrog well the dpi of the screen sure is. and it does symbolic math and calculus Mar 02 20:35
wispygalaxy i was very careful with my possessions when i was younger Mar 02 20:35
Balrog if you didn’t drop it then it wasn’t built right Mar 02 20:35
wispygalaxy yep it was poor quality Mar 02 20:35
wispygalaxy right before it broke, the screen would fade in and out Mar 02 20:35
wispygalaxy it was like that for 2 weeks Mar 02 20:36
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Balrog The 83+ I’ve worked with is ok … sometimes dark spots would appear but they went away Mar 02 20:36
wispygalaxy and right before i had to take my big exam on conic sections for honors algebra 2 in 9th grade, it broke :( Mar 02 20:36
Balrog ew. :( Mar 02 20:36
wispygalaxy do you still have your 83 balrog Mar 02 20:37
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wispygalaxy see ya zer Mar 02 20:37
Balrog yeah though my younger brother is using it Mar 02 20:37
Balrog btw that one cost me $20 Mar 02 20:37
wispygalaxy haha i gave my tv to my lil sister Mar 02 20:37
Balrog I got a 83 (not-plus) recently for $2 Mar 02 20:37
wispygalaxy rofl Mar 02 20:37
Balrog difference: no flash memory Mar 02 20:37
wispygalaxy that’s awesome Mar 02 20:37
Balrog yeah :D Mar 02 20:38
wispygalaxy it’s still useable i guess :) Mar 02 20:38
Balrog sure. Mar 02 20:38
wispygalaxy i use my 83 plus for finance Mar 02 20:38
wispygalaxy everyone does Mar 02 20:38
Balrog cool. Mar 02 20:38
Balrog I’m not a finance major, so I wouldn’t know. Mar 02 20:38
Balrog they don’t allow calculators here for calculus by the way Mar 02 20:39
wispygalaxy it’s so much like doing word problems in algebra Mar 02 20:39
wispygalaxy its a mix of calculus, economics, and algebra Mar 02 20:39
Balrog heh Mar 02 20:39
Balrog I’ll go with physics :) Mar 02 20:39
wispygalaxy my dad couldnt use calculators for some of his engineering classes Mar 02 20:39
Balrog interesting Mar 02 20:39
wispygalaxy cool ;) Mar 02 20:39
Balrog throw in computer science too. :P Mar 02 20:40
Balrog so I’m a dual major in both Mar 02 20:40
wispygalaxy very dedicated :D Mar 02 20:40
Balrog heh Mar 02 20:40
Balrog too much work :/ Mar 02 20:40
wispygalaxy i can imagine :) Mar 02 20:40
wispygalaxy my roomate last year was a dual major, early childhood ed and history Mar 02 20:40
Balrog how long did that last? Mar 02 20:41
wispygalaxy 2 weeks into the school year, she switched from history to psych Mar 02 20:41
Balrog heh Mar 02 20:41
wispygalaxy she whined to her friends, “i hate reading all of these books for history” Mar 02 20:41
Balrog :P Mar 02 20:41
wispygalaxy i NEVER saw her study or go to the library Mar 02 20:41
Balrog I see. Mar 02 20:41
wispygalaxy she always drank saturday nights Mar 02 20:41
Balrog oh that doesn’t help. Mar 02 20:42
wispygalaxy and played tetris on facebook with her friends on campus Mar 02 20:42
Balrog heh Mar 02 20:42
Balrog what a waste of time Mar 02 20:42
wispygalaxy i saw her math homework, it was pie charts and fractions Mar 02 20:42
wispygalaxy i’m serious Mar 02 20:43
Balrog heh Mar 02 20:43
wispygalaxy and tesselations Mar 02 20:43
wispygalaxy the text was math for developing children, something like that Mar 02 20:43
Balrog I see Mar 02 20:43
wispygalaxy almost everyone on my floor last year were history majors Mar 02 20:44
Balrog heh Mar 02 20:44
wispygalaxy or psych majors haha Mar 02 20:44
Balrog well this is a large school (that I’m going to) Mar 02 20:44
Balrog and I’m doing science, so I don’t see many liberal-arts majors Mar 02 20:44
wispygalaxy i go to a medium sized school Mar 02 20:44
Balrog cool. Mar 02 20:44
wispygalaxy 90 of them here are lib arts majors Mar 02 20:44
Balrog heh I see. Mar 02 20:45
wispygalaxy i wish there were more science types here Mar 02 20:45
wispygalaxy i find them more interesting Mar 02 20:45
Balrog many here are liberal arts majors too, but I don’t see them very much. Mar 02 20:45
Balrog :) Mar 02 20:45
Balrog yeah lol Mar 02 20:45
wispygalaxy yea i only see business majors a lot b/c i have only business classes now Mar 02 20:46
Balrog I see. Mar 02 20:46
wispygalaxy 2 finance, 1 mgmt, 1 mkt Mar 02 20:46
wispygalaxy 4 classes total Mar 02 20:46
Balrog I work in the computer science department (spread over several floors, but mostly on two floors) so I see computer science majors a lot :) Mar 02 20:46
Balrog I’m doing 5 classes…total of 19 credits Mar 02 20:46
wispygalaxy im friends with a comp sci major :) Mar 02 20:47
wispygalaxy thats a lot of work! Mar 02 20:47
Balrog lol Mar 02 20:47
Balrog sure is Mar 02 20:47
wispygalaxy do you study in the dorm or at the library Mar 02 20:48
Balrog I live at home Mar 02 20:48
wispygalaxy that’s cool :) Mar 02 20:48
Balrog I study at home and in the CIS department … they have rooms where you can work without being interrupted Mar 02 20:48
wispygalaxy my sis want a upscale apartment in NYC when she goes to grad school Mar 02 20:48
Balrog cool. Mar 02 20:48
wispygalaxy haha she’s hilarious Mar 02 20:48
wispygalaxy we have a business lounge here in the basement Mar 02 20:49
wispygalaxy with a computer lab and vending machines Mar 02 20:49
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toros hi Mar 02 20:49
wispygalaxy hey toros Mar 02 20:49
wispygalaxy welcome to the irc channel Mar 02 20:50
Balrog heh cool Mar 02 20:51
wispygalaxy hey balrog do you get ads for chinese restaurants shoved in your dorm room under the door Mar 02 20:51
wispygalaxy i get that all the time Mar 02 20:51
wispygalaxy i get 2 on average Mar 02 20:51
wispygalaxy each week Mar 02 20:51
wispygalaxy did it happen to you last year Mar 02 20:52
Balrog I like at home Mar 02 20:52
Balrog but people do stand outside and pass around ads at tiem Mar 02 20:52
Balrog times * Mar 02 20:52
wispygalaxy oh i thought you lived in the dorms last year, sry Mar 02 20:53
Balrog nope, this is my first year :) Mar 02 20:53
wispygalaxy i get spammed everywhere, even IRL Mar 02 20:53
wispygalaxy ohhhh ok cool :) Mar 02 20:53
wispygalaxy my sis is a freshman too Mar 02 20:53
Balrog cool Mar 02 20:53
wispygalaxy shes a biology major Mar 02 20:53
wispygalaxy and my little sister wants to do law Mar 02 20:54
Balrog heh Mar 02 20:54
Balrog law is hard Mar 02 20:54
wispygalaxy i took a law course before, and there’s a lot of minute details you have to memorize Mar 02 20:54
wispygalaxy last semester Mar 02 20:54
wispygalaxy so many exceptions to rules, sections of articles Mar 02 20:55
wispygalaxy to memorize Mar 02 20:55
wispygalaxy but that’s my last law class ever hahas Mar 02 20:56
wispygalaxy haha* Mar 02 20:56
Balrog heh Mar 02 20:56
wispygalaxy there was a snowman building competition 2 hours ago here Mar 02 20:57
Balrog nice Mar 02 20:57
Balrog cd /sbin Mar 02 20:57
Balrog ls Mar 02 20:57
wispygalaxy i havent built one in years :( Mar 02 20:57
Balrog sorry Mar 02 20:57
Balrog lol Mar 02 20:57
wispygalaxy thats ok :) Mar 02 20:57
wispygalaxy i live in an area where the snow turns to rain quickly Mar 02 20:58
wispygalaxy so the snow isn’t good enough Mar 02 20:58
Balrog yeah it’s like that here Mar 02 20:58
Balrog but still snowing :) Mar 02 20:58
wispygalaxy it stopped here Mar 02 20:58
Balrog hm. I didn’t look outside for a bit Mar 02 20:58
Balrog maybe it did stop Mar 02 20:58
wispygalaxy but it feels like 15 F due to wind chill Mar 02 20:59
Balrog heh yeah definitely Mar 02 20:59
wispygalaxy haha there’s a snowball fight outside my room Mar 02 20:59
Balrog cool! Mar 02 20:59
wispygalaxy i live next to a lake and a wide patch of grass Mar 02 20:59
wispygalaxy there are still geese here, they honk all the time at night. Mar 02 21:00
wispygalaxy go south for the winter please Mar 02 21:00
Balrog :D Mar 02 21:00
wispygalaxy do you have a pet balrog? Mar 02 21:01
Balrog nope. Mar 02 21:01
wispygalaxy i have a koi and goldfish pond in my backyard Mar 02 21:01
Balrog cool. Mar 02 21:01
wispygalaxy 16 inch koi Mar 02 21:01
wispygalaxy they tend to shove the other fish out of the way when it’s feeding time Mar 02 21:01
Balrog heh lol Mar 02 21:02
wispygalaxy the little ones always nibble their food, it’s so cute Mar 02 21:02
Balrog yeah. Mar 02 21:02
wispygalaxy it takes them a few tried to get it down Mar 02 21:02
wispygalaxy tries* Mar 02 21:02
wispygalaxy they love the fountain when it’s on, they always go under it because it feels good for them i guess Mar 02 21:03
wispygalaxy it’s like a mini waterfall Mar 02 21:03
Balrog :) Mar 02 21:03
wispygalaxy they know when it’s feeding time too, every day during the summer at 6PM, they crowd around the edge of the pond Mar 02 21:04
wispygalaxy and peck at the water Mar 02 21:04
wispygalaxy waiting for the food Mar 02 21:04
Balrog haha Mar 02 21:05
wispygalaxy balrog, do you plan to buy a netbook? Mar 02 21:06
Balrog possibly, not sure yet Mar 02 21:06
wispygalaxy i don’t like big laptops, they take up too much space on my desk Mar 02 21:07
Balrog I do like them, as long as they have high usability Mar 02 21:07
Balrog and are relatively light Mar 02 21:07
Balrog A netbook is easier to carry though Mar 02 21:07
Balrog I could take one with me to school …. can’t do so with my laptop Mar 02 21:08
wispygalaxy i have skinny arms, so carrying laptops wear me out Mar 02 21:08
wispygalaxy netbooks could probably fit in my purse Mar 02 21:08
Balrog probably Mar 02 21:08
wispygalaxy but now i’m into small purses, so i can’t fit them Mar 02 21:08
Balrog heh lol Mar 02 21:08
wispygalaxy a few years ago, i had huge purses Mar 02 21:08
wispygalaxy now i know what are the essentials Mar 02 21:09
Balrog you don’t have to carry textbooks? Mar 02 21:09
wispygalaxy i have a backpack for that Mar 02 21:09
Balrog oh. me too Mar 02 21:09
wispygalaxy my sister uses vera bradley bags Mar 02 21:09
wispygalaxy ill show you a link, brb Mar 02 21:09
Balrog k Mar 02 21:09
schestowitz netbooks-intel-cfriminals Mar 02 21:10
schestowitz wait for ARM Mar 02 21:10
wispygalaxy http://ameliablog.discoverymap.com/w… Mar 02 21:10
Balrog x86 can run more (currently). Though ARM is useful. my iPhone and iPod touch (both jailbroken) have ARM and run lots of things Mar 02 21:10
wispygalaxy my 16 yr old sis has that blue one Mar 02 21:10
Balrog I’d still get an x86 or x86_64 . Mar 02 21:11
Balrog wispygalaxy: cool. I don’ Mar 02 21:11
Balrog I don’t worry too much about that kind of stuff though Mar 02 21:11
wispygalaxy i thought so haha :) Mar 02 21:11
schestowitz Watch this: http://get.adobe.com/flashplayer/ Mar 02 21:11
schestowitz Oops. Mar 02 21:11
Balrog heh Mar 02 21:11
schestowitz http://videos.zdnet.co.uk/260632244.htm Mar 02 21:12
Balrog promoting flash, huh? (lol j/k) Mar 02 21:12
wispygalaxy XD Mar 02 21:12
wispygalaxy thanks for the link, roy Mar 02 21:12
Balrog I like arm. It’s great for embedded stuff Mar 02 21:13
Balrog but what’s wrong with x86? Mar 02 21:13
schestowitz PC sales face ‘worst-ever slump’: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technol… Mar 02 21:14
schestowitz Balrog: Intel — don’t give them money Mar 02 21:14
wispygalaxy wintel Mar 02 21:14
schestowitz Mafia either. Prison threat for Pirate Bay four <http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/tec… > Mar 02 21:14
schestowitz Pirate Bay has legal Linux ISOs on it Mar 02 21:14
Balrog yeah I know it does Mar 02 21:14
schestowitz wispygalaxy: there’s more to it than MS (Wintel) Mar 02 21:15
schestowitz Intel is very corrupt Mar 02 21:15
schestowitz They deserve toppling Mar 02 21:15
wispygalaxy i though so roy :) Mar 02 21:15
schestowitz ICANN President to Step Down < http://www.pcworld.com/article/160475/ic… > ICANN Head To Step Down  < http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/20… > Mar 02 21:15
schestowitz Re: Intel (today): The world ran out of money and loans. What does it do? “Governments worldwide plan to spend US$3 trillion in economic stimulus, said Thomas Kilroy, vice president and general manager of Intel’s Digital Enterprise Group, in an interview in Bangalore.” http://www.pcworld.com/article/160459/intel… Mar 02 21:15
Balrog Intel is, but their CPU engineering is (right now) at a better spot than AMD Mar 02 21:15
wispygalaxy pirate bay helps the spreading of linux Mar 02 21:15
schestowitz China expects Tibet to celebrate, or else … < http://groups.google.com/group/soc.cultu… >  AND………..  Tibetan monk ‘shot’ while on fire < http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia… > Mar 02 21:15
wispygalaxy balrog do you know machine language Mar 02 21:15
Balrog I’ve looked at asm Mar 02 21:16
Balrog I haven’t worked with it directly Mar 02 21:16
Balrog I will be soon :) Mar 02 21:16
wispygalaxy i haven’t either Mar 02 21:16
wispygalaxy i hope you find it fun! Mar 02 21:16
Balrog heh Mar 02 21:16
Balrog I hear conflicting reports Mar 02 21:16
wispygalaxy don’t listen to the haters! Mar 02 21:17
wispygalaxy ;) Mar 02 21:17
Balrog the engineering students say it’s easier than Java. The computer science students say it’s harder Mar 02 21:17
wispygalaxy i can see why haha Mar 02 21:17
wispygalaxy my dad had to learn fortran Mar 02 21:17
Balrog fortran :/ Mar 02 21:18
wispygalaxy he forgot it now, though Mar 02 21:18
wispygalaxy he also forgot his french Mar 02 21:18
Balrog heh Mar 02 21:18
wispygalaxy i dont want to go through all the trouble of learning a language and then forgetting it Mar 02 21:19
wispygalaxy but i tend to easily remember things once i refresh my memory Mar 02 21:19
wispygalaxy like chemistry, took honors chem in 10th grade, forgot most of it.  once people start discussing it, it all comes back to me Mar 02 21:19
Balrog cool Mar 02 21:20
wispygalaxy balrog do you plan to travel for spring break? Mar 02 21:22
Balrog nope. Mar 02 21:22
wispygalaxy i might, not sure Mar 02 21:22
Balrog too busy Mar 02 21:22
Balrog cool Mar 02 21:22
wispygalaxy aww that’s too bad Mar 02 21:22
trmanco http://article.gmane.org/gmane.comp.emulato… Mar 02 21:22
trmanco http://article.gmane.org/gmane.co… Mar 02 21:22
wispygalaxy hi trmanco Mar 02 21:23
trmanco hello Mar 02 21:23
Balrog hi trmanco Mar 02 21:23
wispygalaxy i remember you from a couple weeks ago here Mar 02 21:23
trmanco hi Balrog Mar 02 21:23
trmanco wispygalaxy, I don’t :| Mar 02 21:23
wispygalaxy that’s ok haha Mar 02 21:23
wispygalaxy i was here for a short time though Mar 02 21:24
trmanco did we talk? Mar 02 21:24
wispygalaxy i think so Mar 02 21:25
wispygalaxy with schestowitz Mar 02 21:25
trmanco about what? Mar 02 21:25
wispygalaxy i think NASA and linux Mar 02 21:25
PetoKraus heya wispygalaxy Mar 02 21:26
schestowitz trmanco: wispygalaxy is one of the girls from Digg. Mar 02 21:26
wispygalaxy pk! hey there Mar 02 21:26
schestowitz Next possible superpower (when they acquire dying US asets that are in debt and denial): China’s lunar probe lands on moon < http://edition.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/as… > Mar 02 21:26
trmanco hmm, I definitely don’t remember Mar 02 21:26
PetoKraus trmanco: getting old, eh? Mar 02 21:26
Balrog heh digg Mar 02 21:26
schestowitz Maybe it was just “wispy” the last time. Mar 02 21:26
Balrog I don’t go there much Mar 02 21:26
wispygalaxy that’s ok trmanco Mar 02 21:26
schestowitz PetoKraus: hehe. Don’t say that. Mar 02 21:26
trmanco wispygalaxy, what is you digg name? Mar 02 21:26
wispygalaxy yes, i used the “wispy” nym Mar 02 21:26
schestowitz trmanco: are you 19 or 91? Mar 02 21:27
wispygalaxy wispygalaxy Mar 02 21:27
trmanco PetoKraus, hmmm, I might Mar 02 21:27
PetoKraus :) yeah Mar 02 21:27
PetoKraus we’re old, trmanco, face it Mar 02 21:27
PetoKraus :O Mar 02 21:27
trmanco schestowitz, I don’t remember, maybe 91, yeah, you are right, let me count the years! :-P Mar 02 21:27
PetoKraus i’m afraid to even check my account for the money i don’t have there Mar 02 21:28
PetoKraus and payday was three days ago Mar 02 21:28
trmanco PetoKraus, oh, yeah, I’m already retired Mar 02 21:28
wispygalaxy who goes to college here Mar 02 21:28
wispygalaxy i do Mar 02 21:28
PetoKraus me. Mar 02 21:28
PetoKraus well, it’s a uni. Mar 02 21:28
trmanco wispygalaxy, found ya Mar 02 21:28
wispygalaxy cool Mar 02 21:29
wispygalaxy you can call it a uni here too Mar 02 21:29
Balrog heh me, but yhou know that already Mar 02 21:29
*trmanco clicked Add Friend Mar 02 21:29
wispygalaxy haha thanks Mar 02 21:29
schestowitz How on earth foes a company make a HDD compatible only with Windows??? http://news.cnet.com/8301-13845_3-10… Mar 02 21:29
schestowitz “Alas, according to the specs, the FreeAgent is compatible only with Windows XP and later models of Microsoft’s operating system. You may be able to reformat the drive to work with a Mac or Linux system, but I’m not an expert in that area. (If you are, hit the comments.)” Mar 02 21:29
schestowitz “Holy massive storage, Batman! I thought a 1-terabyte external drive for $99 was a killer deal, but Dell is offering a 1.5TB Seagate FreeAgent USB drive for $112.49. No rebates, free shipping, smokin’ bargain.” Mar 02 21:29
trmanco schestowitz, that is what they all say Mar 02 21:29
PetoKraus :/ Mar 02 21:29
PetoKraus anyway Mar 02 21:29
wispygalaxy the double major, balrog, how can i forget?  :) Mar 02 21:29
Balrog lol Mar 02 21:30
PetoKraus i’d like to get a usb thermometer Mar 02 21:30
PetoKraus among other things Mar 02 21:30
PetoKraus which works with linux Mar 02 21:30
Balrog the FreeAgent is just another external hard drive Mar 02 21:30
schestowitz Some Oracle Ripoffux news today.. Ellison (et al) thinks of community as “community of investors”. He won’t appeal to GNU/Linux aficionados. Hmmmm.. they squuezed in some older items in there so they claim an age of 8 years… < http://www.tectonic.co.za/?p=4247 > Mar 02 21:30
wispygalaxy there are a lot of funny things that come in usb form Mar 02 21:31
schestowitz Like ovens? Mar 02 21:31
trmanco bears Mar 02 21:31
wispygalaxy like the teddy bear without the head Mar 02 21:31
wispygalaxy haha yes Mar 02 21:31
trmanco yeah Mar 02 21:31
schestowitz They just pick up the power Mar 02 21:31
schestowitz You can do USB lamps Mar 02 21:31
Balrog a USB thermometer should report the data back to the host system Mar 02 21:31
wispygalaxy i have a boring silver one Mar 02 21:31
PetoKraus YAEHDD Mar 02 21:31
PetoKraus it’s bad when you give student money Mar 02 21:31
PetoKraus and Scotch for £1.50 Mar 02 21:31
PetoKraus :) Mar 02 21:32
PetoKraus we had this idea Mar 02 21:32
trmanco lol Mar 02 21:32
PetoKraus there was one which used 3.5 jack Mar 02 21:32
wispygalaxy the thermometer sounds really cool Mar 02 21:32
schestowitz There’s Linux-only tuxroid.. what was it called? Mar 02 21:32
PetoKraus so we were like Mar 02 21:32
wispygalaxy i want the tuxroid :P Mar 02 21:32
PetoKraus let’s plug it into the pc Mar 02 21:32
PetoKraus record the data as a waveform Mar 02 21:32
PetoKraus speed it up Mar 02 21:32
schestowitz California in drought emergency < http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/… > Setting ‘Green’ Goals: “The Obama budget promises what it calls a comprehensive effort to address global warming, slash oil imports and create a new “green” economy that produces millions of new jobs.” http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/27/wa… Mar 02 21:32
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