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03.12.09

IRC: #boycottnovell @ FreeNode: March 11th, 2009 – Part 3

Posted in IRC Logs at 7:31 am by Dr. Roy Schestowitz

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schestowitz Ogg should be universally implemented Mar 11 16:50
Balrog_ see ‘patent licensing’ Mar 11 16:50
Balrog_ what about those h.264 decoder chips? Mar 11 16:50
_Hicham_ Roy : that is the real solution Mar 11 16:50
schestowitz Like WWW Mar 11 16:50
PetoKraus it isn’t Mar 11 16:50
PetoKraus the real solution is not find other way Mar 11 16:50
schestowitz You don’t have “protected” HTML Mar 11 16:50
PetoKraus the real solution is shut the patent system Mar 11 16:51
Eruaran Oh this is nice Mar 11 16:51
schestowitz So your HTML-rendering mythical widgets don’t pay anyone Mar 11 16:51
schestowitz GIF is a separate issue Mar 11 16:51
Eruaran KPackageKIt is integrated with KDE System Settings Mar 11 16:51
Eruaran very nice Mar 11 16:51
schestowitz PetoKraus: the patent system is already under sige Mar 11 16:51
schestowitz Microsoft, Philips and other parasites try to retain and expand it Mar 11 16:51
Eruaran I’m getting some really neato updates here Mar 11 16:52
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Balrog_ see http://yro.slashdot.org/article… Mar 11 16:53
Balrog_ about h.264 Mar 11 16:53
Eruaran Kubuntu finally has gorgeous package management Mar 11 16:54
Eruaran :D Mar 11 16:54
PetoKraus :) Mar 11 16:54
PetoKraus i managed to get VNC working Mar 11 16:54
PetoKraus i mean Mar 11 16:54
PetoKraus from outside to my computer Mar 11 16:54
_Hicham_ Eruaran : what is it ? Mar 11 16:54
Eruaran _Hicham_: KPackageKit is now working on the Kubuntu 9.04 alpha, and its seamlessly integrated with System Settings Mar 11 16:55
Eruaran A big step up for Kubuntu Mar 11 16:56
_Hicham_ great Mar 11 16:56
_Hicham_ i tried Kubuntu for once Mar 11 16:56
PetoKraus i’m thinking of getting be to my flat Mar 11 16:56
_Hicham_ Kubuntu 7.10, which uses Adept Mar 11 16:56
Eruaran yes, Adept is gone now Mar 11 16:57
_Hicham_ Adept was just  crap compared to Synaptic Mar 11 16:57
Eruaran I think Adept only ever had one guy working on it Mar 11 16:57
Eruaran under resourced Mar 11 16:58
Eruaran And he only kept working on it cause he’s friends with JRiddle Mar 11 16:58
Eruaran this is schweet Mar 11 16:59
_Hicham_ I didnt try KDE 4 yet Mar 11 16:59
balzac I want package management which grabs source tar-balls, handles dependencies, and offers a chance to view and modify the code before compiling and installing. Mar 11 17:00
_Hicham_ I should give a look at it Mar 11 17:00
Eruaran I’m using 4.2.1 Mar 11 17:00
balzac Maybe the package manager should be an emacs extension Mar 11 17:00
_Hicham_ Balzac : an anjuta plugin Mar 11 17:00
balzac users should be encouraged to mess with the source code Mar 11 17:00
balzac _Hicham_: I haven’t tried that Mar 11 17:01
balzac _Hicham_: users should also be able to suggest patches based on edits they’ve made which work for them. Mar 11 17:02
balzac package management, version control, IDE, all in one system Mar 11 17:02
balzac there shouldn’t be such well-defined boundaries between users and developers Mar 11 17:03
_Hicham_ that won’t be easy for regular users Mar 11 17:03
balzac well, it should not present all those features to newbies Mar 11 17:03
_Hicham_ balzac : not all people are computers pro Mar 11 17:03
balzac but if they’re so inclined, it should be open to their interest and participation Mar 11 17:04
Eruaran I see what youre getting at Mar 11 17:04
balzac then user ratings for submitted patches Mar 11 17:04
balzac make it game-like and inviting to help development efforts Mar 11 17:04
PetoKraus BT is bloody retarded Mar 11 17:04
PetoKraus this is second flat i’m going to live in Mar 11 17:05
Eruaran BT ? Bluetooth ? Mar 11 17:05
PetoKraus British Telecom Mar 11 17:05
Eruaran ooh Mar 11 17:05
PetoKraus and they want the £130 connection charge Mar 11 17:05
PetoKraus for goodness sake Mar 11 17:05
Eruaran ouch Mar 11 17:05
PetoKraus that means i’ll have to move virgin media there Mar 11 17:05
PetoKraus which is not really good either Mar 11 17:05
PetoKraus since they SUCK Mar 11 17:05
Eruaran Telstra sucks here Mar 11 17:06
PetoKraus it’s retarded, honestly Mar 11 17:09
Eruaran gtg sleep calls Mar 11 17:12
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_Hicham_ I can’t remove Evolution from gnome completely Mar 11 17:19
_Hicham_ i think that i should repackage some basic packages Mar 11 17:19
balzac I’m getting tempted to remove gnome lately and get some fresh air Mar 11 17:20
balzac I don’t want novell’s junk Mar 11 17:20
balzac Maybe I can get by on a very light window manager. Mar 11 17:20
schestowitz _Hicham_: try KDE4 when it comes with your next distro Mar 11 17:20
balzac KDE and Gnome are both rather hefty and over-built Mar 11 17:21
PetoKraus then there’s the most stable pre-alpha software you can get Mar 11 17:21
PetoKraus (E17) Mar 11 17:21
PetoKraus and openbox can be VERY nice as well Mar 11 17:21
schestowitz PetoKraus: BT is laying off Mar 11 17:22
schestowitz It was in The Register today Mar 11 17:22
schestowitz Virgin sucks too Mar 11 17:22
schestowitz Try modem :-) Mar 11 17:22
schestowitz 28kbit Mar 11 17:22
PetoKraus yeah Mar 11 17:23
PetoKraus i was thinking 3 mobile Mar 11 17:23
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PetoKraus but i do > 15GB a month Mar 11 17:24
_Hicham_ Gnome and KDE are both great Mar 11 17:24
_Hicham_ but compiz is more designed for gnome Mar 11 17:24
balzac I would install gnome with compiz on a gnu/linux newbie’s computer to keep them entertained Mar 11 17:25
balzac but I don’t need compiz and I may not even be benefitting from gnome, all things considered Mar 11 17:25
balzac I’m looking at the lighter window managers Mar 11 17:25
Balrog_ xfce Mar 11 17:25
Balrog_ or ldxe Mar 11 17:25
Balrog_ lxde * Mar 11 17:26
balzac Balrog_: once you’re looking at the lighter ones, there are so many more choices Mar 11 17:26
Balrog_ those are the two most popular Mar 11 17:26
_Hicham_ xfce and lxde? Mar 11 17:26
Balrog_ yeah Mar 11 17:26
Balrog_ I use xfce Mar 11 17:26
balzac I just found out how to make emacs much faster for editing files on my server Mar 11 17:26
balzac sshfs Mar 11 17:26
Balrog_ heh Mar 11 17:26
Balrog_ just ssh into the server and use vim/emacs there Mar 11 17:27
balzac i was using tramp with serious latency issues Mar 11 17:27
Balrog_ I use vim here Mar 11 17:27
Balrog_ :/ Mar 11 17:27
_Hicham_ Balrog : xfce and lxde are for old computers, no? Mar 11 17:27
balzac Balrog_: I do but I still like my local emacs running Mar 11 17:27
_Hicham_ they both rely on GTK Mar 11 17:27
balzac I’m not sure if I’m interested in GTK Mar 11 17:28
Balrog_ hm :/ Mar 11 17:28
Balrog_ they work well though Mar 11 17:28
balzac I don’t like gnome terminal because of the anti-aliasing of text Mar 11 17:28
_Hicham_ Balzac : have u ever done some programming in GTK? Mar 11 17:28
balzac I use xterm instead Mar 11 17:28
Balrog_ and they don’t use mono Mar 11 17:28
Balrog_ I use heavy mac-style font rendering :) Mar 11 17:29
balzac _Hicham_: I haven’t done any C programming, only web development Mar 11 17:29
Balrog_ easier on my eyes, I think Mar 11 17:29
balzac I think the handling of rich media would suffer if I abandoned gnome Mar 11 17:29
Balrog_ kde does fine though Mar 11 17:30
Balrog_ with Qt Mar 11 17:30
PetoKraus gnome-terminal is actually quite nice Mar 11 17:30
PetoKraus i was long-time user of xfce-terminal Mar 11 17:30
balzac I like xterm better Mar 11 17:30
PetoKraus no tabs kill it for me Mar 11 17:30
Balrog_ xfce-terminal is good, except for the backspace key mess Mar 11 17:30
_Hicham_ Balzac : there is phpGTK Mar 11 17:30
balzac _Hicham_: interesting Mar 11 17:31
balzac I’m committed to learning PHP and Python over the long term Mar 11 17:31
balzac I use php every day, but the php mode nxhtml emacs extension is a little buggy Mar 11 17:32
Balrog_ php, not ASP.NET =) Mar 11 17:32
balzac actually, it’s better than ever since I went to the latest version Mar 11 17:32
balzac My installation of Jaunty came without gnome-wm running by default Mar 11 17:34
schestowitz balzac: get Mandriva 2008.1 Mar 11 17:37
schestowitz Compiz with KDE out of the box Mar 11 17:37
schestowitz Get Spring+KDE Mar 11 17:37
balzac schestowitz: I’ll have to try it on another computer Mar 11 17:37
balzac I was hoping to buy some Asus eees or dell minis and start to sell them Mar 11 17:38
schestowitz balzac: Microsoft to build an ‘Emacs.Net’ text editor < http://blogs.zdnet.com/micro… > Mar 11 17:38
balzac ick Mar 11 17:39
balzac If Bill Gates is ready to offer an olive branch to RMS and admit, RMS is the man, I’ll start looking at MS-sponsored open source stuff. Mar 11 17:39
balzac I’ve never even looked at .net, C#, silverlight, mono, Microsoft Public License, etc, just because of who makes it. Mar 11 17:40
balzac Microsoft is getting more and more touchy-feely with FOSS lately as their business suffers Mar 11 17:42
balzac It’s a slow cultural change happening at M$, but I see it happening. Mar 11 17:43
balzac I read speculation about M$ using webkit for the next IE, but I dismissed it Mar 11 17:49
balzac the same article suggested they’d use something of their own called Gazelle and they were just putting on a show of considering webkit Mar 11 17:49
balzac webkit is lgpl-licensed and MS hates all gnu-branded things, so I don’t think they’ll use webkit Mar 11 17:50
_Hicham_ balzac : ms won’t abandon trident Mar 11 17:50
balzac I hope they stick with their junky technology. I have a business plan based partly on their decline. Mar 11 17:51
balzac If Gates were smart, he’d do a mea culpa and admit he was horribly wrong about the GNU GPL and Free Software Mar 11 17:51
balzac but he’s got too much ego invested in his dumb ideology and craptastic software Mar 11 17:52
balzac what happened? Mar 11 17:58
balzac did I kill the discussion by flooding it? Mar 11 17:58
_Hicham_ no Mar 11 17:58
_Hicham_ you are not flooding Mar 11 17:58
balzac I’m sipping a 5-hour caffeine drink so I’m overly chatty Mar 11 17:58
_Hicham_ I like chatty people Mar 11 17:59
_Hicham_ Billy can’t change everything like that Mar 11 17:59
_Hicham_ Windows Development is very heavy Mar 11 17:59
_Hicham_ with all the legacy apps Mar 11 17:59
_Hicham_ they must stay compatible Mar 11 18:00
_Hicham_ to not lose the market Mar 11 18:00
_Hicham_ Vista have had a bad name for that Mar 11 18:00
_Hicham_ Microsoft can’t keep compatibility for their dlls Mar 11 18:01
_Hicham_ especially the MFC one Mar 11 18:01
_Hicham_ that is why they invite programmers to port their apps to .NET Mar 11 18:01
_Hicham_ but all programmers that not all apps can be ported to .NET Mar 11 18:01
_Hicham_ and MS itself still have MFC as a reason for buying MSVC, one of their best sellers Mar 11 18:02
_Hicham_ not balzac is not chatty anymore Mar 11 18:03
_Hicham_ balzac : can u talk to us about ur plan? Mar 11 18:03
balzac sure Mar 11 18:04
balzac first I have to make my web dev/consulting business successful Mar 11 18:04
balzac than do like Roy with the frontal attack on microsoft Mar 11 18:05
balzac while I’m shamelessly promoting my company’s consulting services, brokering software deals to replace proprietary software with Redhat and Ubuntu Mar 11 18:06
balzac and make some serious coin Mar 11 18:06
balzac With NY financial services companies being the primary arena for business development Mar 11 18:06
_Hicham_ how is ur business going right now? Mar 11 18:09
balzac not great Mar 11 18:09
balzac but I’m optimistic Mar 11 18:10
balzac I have yet to incorporate Mar 11 18:10
balzac after I incorporate, i’m also going to register as a government contractor Mar 11 18:10
schestowitz This one took a while to do: http://digg.com/linux_unix/Bruce_Peren… Mar 11 18:11
schestowitz balzac: you’ll have more business when MSFT heralds Ch11. Mar 11 18:12
schestowitz brb Mar 11 18:13
balzac dugg Mar 11 18:18
_Hicham_ Roy : who has created this blog : http://linuxidiots.blogspot…? Mar 11 18:22
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_Hicham_ it must a novell worker Mar 11 18:22
_Hicham_ no? Mar 11 18:22
tessier_ So we have a custom CentOS distro here which we boot on our servers. The boot menu has a timeout of 60 seconds after which it takes a default config and installs onto sda. A developer burned a new version of this distro on his Windows desktop and left it in the CD ROM burner overnight. Microsoft decides they are going to force a patch upon him and reboot the computer overnight. His computer is set to boot the CD ROM by default. Mar 11 18:23
tessier_ Hilarity ensues. Mar 11 18:23
balzac heheh Mar 11 18:24
tessier_ So I guess yesterday was patch Tuesday. I’m normally not aware of such things. Mar 11 18:24
_Hicham_ Roy : there is a lot of talk about u Mar 11 18:24
balzac that’s hilarious tessier_ Mar 11 18:24
trmanco back Mar 11 18:24
trmanco long day today, social day Mar 11 18:24
_Hicham_ wb trmanco Mar 11 18:25
trmanco thanks Mar 11 18:25
schestowitz _Hicham_: Microsoft Munckins Mar 11 18:25
schestowitz The whole ‘blog’ is just an attack on Linux advocates Mar 11 18:25
_Hicham_ it is funny though how they react to u Mar 11 18:26
tessier_ “Roy Schestowitz is a career college student at some liberal artsy university.” Mar 11 18:26
tessier_ We don’t go for no book learnin’ ’round here. Mar 11 18:26
Balrog_ heh … though the head of the OSI commented… Mar 11 18:26
trmanco I had a discussion with some of my friends about the Gcompris fiasco Mar 11 18:33
trmanco they were not well informed, the stuff that the TV spread are lies, lies and damn lies Mar 11 18:33
schestowitz What did the TC say? Mar 11 18:34
schestowitz *TV Mar 11 18:34
schestowitz trmanco: did you see my post about Portugal? Mar 11 18:34
trmanco yes Mar 11 18:34
schestowitz Microsoft paid some shills to manufacture lies Mar 11 18:34
schestowitz I linked to it at the end. Mar 11 18:34
trmanco check identi.ca Mar 11 18:34
trmanco the PR stuff is sic Mar 11 18:35
trmanco idiots, polluting twitter with lies and disinformation Mar 11 18:35
trmanco “they “should be arrested Mar 11 18:35
trmanco she also reacted like that because of the vortalgate thing Mar 11 18:35
trmanco it’s like “payback time” Mar 11 18:36
trmanco payback time my ass Mar 11 18:36
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schestowitz They have AstroTurfs Mar 11 18:36
schestowitz That’s not new Mar 11 18:36
schestowitz In the EU I think it’s illegal Mar 11 18:36
trmanco I need to confirm that Mar 11 18:37
schestowitz If they pretend to be recommending something but are actually agents Mar 11 18:37
trmanco I think it is, but people are afraid to go against a monster like Msoft Mar 11 18:37
trmanco not much of a monster now Mar 11 18:37
trmanco but it was back in 200 or something, but people are not well informed… lots a people think that Msoft is still to big, and are the good guys Mar 11 18:38
trmanco 2000* Mar 11 18:38
schestowitz So no action against them? Mar 11 18:42
schestowitz Is Barrasso (spelling) from Portugal? Mar 11 18:42
trmanco against them no, remember Portugal is a Msoft fanboy, they even say that this company is the best to work in Mar 11 18:44
trmanco IMO, companies like Sonae are way better to invest in Mar 11 18:45
trmanco not microsoft, they are giving money away to the states like this, damn Mar 11 18:45
schestowitz Heh. Another Novell: “Holbrook golf coach Del Novell has a large group of golfers on the team this year,” http://www.azjournal.com/news/127/ARTICL… There’s also a jeweler called Novell and a British company called Microvell Mar 11 18:46
trmanco the portuguese gonvernment should invest in national companies, not foreign companies, c’mon Mar 11 18:46
schestowitz Yes Mar 11 18:46
trmanco this is why portugal can’t stand out of an economical crysis Mar 11 18:46
schestowitz But it also invests in criminals Mar 11 18:46
schestowitz But it shows only the PR Mar 11 18:46
schestowitz it accentuates the good, not the rest Mar 11 18:46
trmanco since I’m hear, it has always been in economical crisis Mar 11 18:46
schestowitz It indicates that they may ‘bought’ Mar 11 18:47
trmanco I think I misspelled something… Mar 11 18:47
schestowitz crysis Mar 11 18:47
schestowitz The game.. Mar 11 18:47
trmanco they show only the good PR Mar 11 18:47
schestowitz Of course Mar 11 18:47
trmanco yeah, I played it Mar 11 18:47
schestowitz It shows agenda Mar 11 18:47
trmanco on my crappy computer Mar 11 18:47
schestowitz People who love Microsoft will only shows the “saving puppy” bit Mar 11 18:48
trmanco yeah Mar 11 18:48
schestowitz Microsoft do the BS for the cameras.. PE Mar 11 18:48
schestowitz To fuel the propaganda to favour them Mar 11 18:48
schestowitz A crime is a crime Mar 11 18:48
trmanco they control the portuguese media Mar 11 18:48
schestowitz Of course Mar 11 18:48
schestowitz Not just Portuguese Mar 11 18:48
schestowitz Same in Brazil I hear Mar 11 18:48
trmanco it goes from television, to internet newspapers and magazines Mar 11 18:48
schestowitz They literally own it Mar 11 18:48
schestowitz put money in it Mar 11 18:48
schestowitz And media controls minds Mar 11 18:48
schestowitz It seeds (dis)information Mar 11 18:49
trmanco I stopped watching TV because it’s a waste of time Mar 11 18:49
trmanco ms, ms, ms windblow vispa Mar 11 18:49
trmanco if it crashes it your fault not microsoft’s fault because their software is perfect, you know Mar 11 18:49
trmanco even today, my colleges has to “present” some programming work at school, and they couldn’t even compile the stupid program because visual studio had some linking problems, good thing my presentation was based on the good’old chalk board Mar 11 18:51
trmanco had* Mar 11 18:51
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balzac wow, that’s a real smear site Mar 11 18:53
trmanco I would probably win if I placed a bet ,that GCC could compile their code without any hiccups… but had no time, nor GNU/Linux based computer Mar 11 18:53
*trmanco brb Mar 11 18:54
balzac http://linuxidiots.blogsp… <– check out the front page to see an anti-gay smear Mar 11 18:54
balzac http://linuxidiots.blogspot.com/2007…  <– for the sake of the channel log, a permanent url Mar 11 18:56
balzac the sites author gets very preachy about Roy, but then he goes gay-bashing this other guy Mar 11 18:57
balzac That is some serious sleazy gay-bashing about marti-what’s-his-name. If this is what Microsoft defenders resort to, that’s seriously bad. Mar 11 18:58
trmanco that guy is on cola Mar 11 19:02
trmanco a good linux advocate Mar 11 19:02
balzac I might be annoyed if someone wants to talk details about their sex-life in a technical forum (if that is true), but I’m not going to discriminate on their sexual orientation. Mar 11 19:06
schestowitz You don’t know the MS Munckins, do you? :-) Mar 11 19:07
schestowitz This is how they drive away people Mar 11 19:07
schestowitz They libel people — me included — so as to scare potential contributors Mar 11 19:07
schestowitz They also spout out racist and homophobic remarks to repel people Mar 11 19:07
schestowitz The goal is to totally trash the forums Mar 11 19:07
balzac that’s brown-shirt style Mar 11 19:07
balzac And I bet they do it all from the cover of anonymity Mar 11 19:08
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*paulgaskin is now known as balzac Mar 11 19:08
schestowitz Yes, zombies Mar 11 19:09
schestowitz and honeypots Mar 11 19:09
balzac I’d say they can kiss my balls, but it’s actually not on the menu Mar 11 19:09
schestowitz That’s Microsoft corporation, where business is crime and crime is business. And PR is the public presence. Mar 11 19:09
schestowitz Microsoft ‘helps’ disabled people and Elevate[s] America[tm] Mar 11 19:10
balzac any company with enough authoritarianism and money attracts all manner of sleaze-bags who will try to intimidate others to gain favor Mar 11 19:12
balzac Microsoft is not unique in that regard, it’s just mega-corporate culture Mar 11 19:12
balzac But I bet Google’s corporate culture is not as nasty Mar 11 19:13
balzac Google doesn’t have anyone like Ballmer who runs around screaming and sweating for an hour Mar 11 19:14
balzac I think Microsoft should hire Jim Cramer – he could hang with Steve Ballmer Mar 11 19:14
balzac actually, they’re already affiliated via MSNBC Mar 11 19:14
balzac I mean Cramer and Ballmer, not Google Mar 11 19:15
schestowitz Google AstroTurfs also Mar 11 19:21
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schestowitz Last month: http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/200… Mar 11 19:23
balzac once a company is big enough to be publicly traded, they engage in astro-turfing Mar 11 19:28
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schestowitz They should have people arrested Mar 11 19:38
schestowitz But the system is run by large companies, not regulators (whom *they* appoint anyway) Mar 11 19:39
schestowitz It’s funny seeing watchdogs dethroned or ‘redone’ by the corporations. Kind of like ISO…. Mar 11 19:39
balzac tolerance for this is going to be diminishing Mar 11 19:44
balzac the corporapists (as I call them) have acted with such a profoundly anti-social agenda, they’re begging to have their asses handed to them Mar 11 19:45
balzac I think Eric Holder from the DOJ is going to be quite serious as Attorney General Mar 11 19:46
balzac And John Conyers from the Judiciary Committee is quite pissed as well. He took a lot of verbal abuse from bloggers who demanded enforcement of subpoenas Mar 11 19:47
balzac if these two guys don’t start enforcing federal law on the corporations, Obama will be considered a joker Mar 11 19:47
balzac Kucinich wasn’t kidding about restoring the rule of law Mar 11 19:48
balzac if Obama does not restore and enforce the rule of law and the constitution, lots of people will say “too bad we didn’t get kucinich”. Mar 11 19:49
schestowitz OBAMAA Mar 11 19:50
schestowitz Biden is the worrying part Mar 11 19:50
balzac If Obama doesn’t deliver the goods, he can be compared unfavorably to another leader who has proven himself: Hugo Chavez. Mar 11 19:50
schestowitz Friend and ally of MAFIAA (MPAA/RIAA) Mar 11 19:51
balzac Biden with his hair plugs can just mind his own business. Mar 11 19:51
schestowitz balzac:  Hugo Chavez breaks US law Mar 11 19:51
balzac good Mar 11 19:51
schestowitz He doesn’t permit colonialism :-) Mar 11 19:51
schestowitz He must be overthrow with a coop Mar 11 19:52
schestowitz Hush-hush, just don’t show the US is driving it Mar 11 19:52
schestowitz Wasn’t it Biden who called him “a dictator”? Mar 11 19:52
schestowitz I reckon the Democrats too want him out Mar 11 19:52
schestowitz He serves his people, not making it a ‘client state’ Mar 11 19:52
schestowitz BIAADEN Mar 11 19:53
balzac Biden is full of crap Mar 11 19:54
balzac He still needs to do a mea culpa and flog himself with a cat-o-nine-tails in the public square for his vote on Iraq. Mar 11 19:54
balzac Then maybe he can grow out his hair and wear a tie-dye every friday as penance Mar 11 19:56
schestowitz Would Kucinich have put Erik, George and Dick in prison for increasing risk of terrorism (seven-fold)? Mar 11 19:58
balzac yes Mar 11 19:58
balzac He was the only guy serious about impeachment Mar 11 19:58
schestowitz Here’s a report who uses the word “cracker”, as he should: Chinese crackers create counterfeit iTunes racket < http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009… > Mar 11 20:01
schestowitz balzac: so I guess the media of Murdoch didn’t like him enough Mar 11 20:01
schestowitz If the media does not like you (interests don’t align), then you can’t run Mar 11 20:01
schestowitz Have IT vendors been hit harder than IT departments? < http://www.theregister.co.uk/2… > Mar 11 20:01
schestowitz Man ruins nature quicker than estimated: Coral Reefs May Start Dissolving When Atmospheric Carbon Dioxide Doubles < http://www.sciencedaily.com/rel… > Mar 11 20:04
schestowitz UK filters in the Wikpedia amendments  < http://www.iptegrity.com/index.php?op… > Mar 11 20:05
schestowitz Why do they call me “Roya Schestowitza” here? http://osnews.pl/czechy-lobbuj… Mar 11 20:07
PetoKraus because it’s genitiv Mar 11 20:07
balzac that’s od Mar 11 20:07
balzac odd Mar 11 20:07
balzac you’re getting some blog-coveraeg Mar 11 20:08
PetoKraus nominativ – Roy, genitiv – Roya, dativ – Royovi, akusativ – Roya, lokal – Royovi, instrumental – Royom Mar 11 20:10
PetoKraus it took me a while to remember my own grammar Mar 11 20:10
PetoKraus though it may be different in polish Mar 11 20:10
PetoKraus but yes, we use all of those. Mar 11 20:10
schestowitz USA: Hillary Clinton and Michel Obama to present the award of courage to Mutabar Tajibaeva < http://enews.ferghana.ru/news.ph… > Mar 11 20:13
schestowitz How much do the Obamas charge for ‘breakfast’ with Michelle these days? Mar 11 20:14
schestowitz Any more than $20k like they charged Microsoft’s legalised crooks? Mar 11 20:14
schestowitz PetoKraus: thanks., Mar 11 20:14
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tacone1 Slightly OT, anyone wants to laugh ? Mar 11 20:17
PetoKraus sure Mar 11 20:17
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PetoKraus i’ve got a nice story as wel Mar 11 20:18
PetoKraus *well Mar 11 20:18
PetoKraus mildly offending, but hey Mar 11 20:18
tacone1 http://www.chessvibes.com/columns/copy… Mar 11 20:18
tacone1 attempt to copyright chess moves. Mar 11 20:18
tacone1 sequences of chess moves. Mar 11 20:18
PetoKraus you have to be joking Mar 11 20:18
tacone1 i never joke Mar 11 20:18
tacone1 read ;-) Mar 11 20:18
tacone1 I warned it was something ridiculous. Mar 11 20:19
PetoKraus oh god oh god Mar 11 20:19
PetoKraus where’s the sawn-off Mar 11 20:19
schestowitz tacone1: got it yesterday Mar 11 20:19
schestowitz Posted it to BN this morning Mar 11 20:19
tacone1 schestowitz: i got it from digg, probably from one BN reader Mar 11 20:20
tacone1 already posted ? wow Mar 11 20:20
schestowitz I found it in TechDirt Mar 11 20:20
schestowitz Reciting old myths: “The new version of the BlueStripe software adds support for Linux environments, which given the nature of open source tend to be a little more chaotic than Windows environments.” Mar 11 20:24
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schestowitz From http://blogs.eweek.com/masked_intentio… That’s funny, I never need support. A lot of “support” is needed for platforms with worms and viruses and blobs Mar 11 20:24
tacone1 another ridicolous thing, an italian politician (which is also showgirl) proposed a law anti-pedophily (which is already forbidden here). but the law wasn’t anti-pedophily, was anti-anonymity. turned out that the author of the word document (clicking on properties) is the head of an italian society who works for the content industry. Mar 11 20:24
*tacone1 is now known as tacone Mar 11 20:26
schestowitz Hehe. Mar 11 20:27
schestowitz Any link to that? Mar 11 20:27
schestowitz ACTA is said to be similar Mar 11 20:27
schestowitz The MAFIAA passing on a ‘wishlist’ for corruptible politicians who are in their pockets to secretly approved Mar 11 20:28
tacone i’ll write a post, everything else is Italian Mar 11 20:28
trmanco http://blogs.fsfe.org/fellowship… Mar 11 20:28
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schestowitz tacone: thanks. Mar 11 20:33
schestowitz Sounds like a wonderful smoking gun showing that “war on pedophelia” is fake, just like “War on terrorism” Mar 11 20:33
schestowitz They sit down and think how to control content or world’s oil resources and then create some fake clash Mar 11 20:34
tacone well, in Italy nobody cares so much about that. They try to do stuff like that almost every day. Just usually on non-tech matters Mar 11 20:34
schestowitz What stuff? I don’t quite follow. Mar 11 20:34
tacone presenting an anti-this law which hides some trick to allow/forbid other thing. Mar 11 20:35
schestowitz The lackey journalist are  a _major_ issue. They pass the propaganda as news (“piracy”, BSA stuff, fake numbers, WoMD, ‘experts’) Mar 11 20:35
tacone btw I am in france right now, and every day  TV’s News talks about the new anti piracy law. Mar 11 20:35
schestowitz They show picture of real pirates  in boats? Mar 11 20:36
tacone no. they show fancy graphs of three lcd’s connected with a giant ‘IP’ wrote on them Mar 11 20:36
schestowitz Controlled media and ban on decentralisation is all they have left Mar 11 20:36
schestowitz Otherwise society might become a democracy Mar 11 20:36
schestowitz Democracy is bad in the eyes of politicians Mar 11 20:37
schestowitz They must be in control, along with their funding sources (e.g. copyrights cartel) Mar 11 20:37
tacone politicians are the waiters of bankers Mar 11 20:37
tacone lol Mar 11 20:37
tacone but since democracy is legalized, they have to fight it back costantly Mar 11 20:38
tacone the price of dictature is costant vigilancy :-) Mar 11 20:38
schestowitz Hehe. Mar 11 20:40
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PeterFA I this affiliated with the Boycott Novell website/blog? Mar 11 20:41
balzac yes Mar 11 20:42
PeterFA The authors hang out in this channel? Mar 11 20:43
balzac PeterFA: this is the official chatroom of the famous blog Mar 11 20:43
balzac Roy is here Mar 11 20:43
balzac welcome Mar 11 20:43
PeterFA I like the blog. Mar 11 20:43
balzac please share opinions favorable or unfavorable without hesitation Mar 11 20:44
PeterFA Microsoft is one sketchy company, and any moron can see through Novell’s stupid tactics :) Mar 11 20:44
balzac they are weasels Mar 11 20:44
balzac and they can’t stand freedom Mar 11 20:44
balzac Freedom hatin’ weasels, I’d call me. Mar 11 20:45
balzac call em. Mar 11 20:45
balzac FYI, I call them “Bush’s un-dead talking points” when I use his rhetorical style. Mar 11 20:46
schestowitz Hey, PeterFA Mar 11 20:47
PeterFA schestowitz, hi. Mar 11 20:47
PeterFA I don’t know why the judge awarded Novell the ownership of the property that SCO insisted they had. Mar 11 20:47
schestowitz Didn’t they own it Mar 11 20:48
schestowitz ? Mar 11 20:48
schestowitz It’s not over either way Mar 11 20:48
schestowitz I’ll do a post about SCO in the weekend Mar 11 20:48
schestowitz There’s also one about Hovo Sapian coming. Mar 11 20:48
balzac that’s a pretty funny take on his name Mar 11 20:49
PeterFA schestowitz, so, SCO claimed Novell’s property was their own and started to sue everyone who used Linux? Mar 11 20:49
PeterFA schestowitz, are you one of the authors of boycottnovell.com? Mar 11 20:49
tacone PeterFA: look to the authors in the site’s sidebar Mar 11 20:50
PeterFA schestowitz, ah, so you are. Mar 11 20:51
PeterFA Nice to meet you, schestowitz. Mar 11 20:51
PeterFA And to comment on the picture on that blog post that appears when you visit the current version of the website today, yeah, the Mono project is bad. Mar 11 20:52
schestowitz It’s a Novell project Mar 11 20:53
PeterFA I know. Mar 11 20:53
schestowitz They pretend it’s community Mar 11 20:53
schestowitz Some of the prople on the project work for Microsoft Mar 11 20:54
schestowitz It figures. Mar 11 20:54
PeterFA schestowitz, how can I affirm the authenticity of leaked emails? Mar 11 20:54
schestowitz Which ones? Mar 11 20:54
PeterFA I read a few blogs about leaked emails that pretty much condemn Microsoft. Mar 11 20:54
PeterFA schestowitz, I don’t remember. Mar 11 20:54
schestowitz You can go to the source with wget logs Mar 11 20:54
PeterFA schestowitz, I remember a blog that was interesting, but I wondered how to authenticate emails. Mar 11 20:54
PeterFA schestowitz, how? Mar 11 20:55
schestowitz I can look it up at the original. Mar 11 20:55
PeterFA schestowitz, oh, and what operating system do you use? Mar 11 20:55
schestowitz edge-op Mar 11 20:55
schestowitz Mandriva] Mar 11 20:55
PeterFA schestowitz, ah. Mar 11 20:55
PeterFA How do emails leak? Mar 11 20:55
schestowitz They don’t leak Mar 11 20:56
schestowitz There is a subpoena Mar 11 20:56
schestowitz Lawyers collect evidence Mar 11 20:56
schestowitz After crimes Mar 11 20:56
schestowitz This time around the guy who sued or his lawyers put copies online Mar 11 20:57
schestowitz So some people grabbed copies before Microsoft paid many millions (hundreds maybe) to make it vanish Mar 11 20:57
PeterFA Oh. Mar 11 20:57
schestowitz I have another 8000 or so exhibits to look at Mar 11 20:57
schestowitz Hundreds to cover Mar 11 20:57
PeterFA So, sue Microsoft, get emails, make copies freely available, accept bribe. Mar 11 20:58
schestowitz ushimitsudoki has a sample here: http://meandubuntu.wordpress.c… Mar 11 20:58
PeterFA :) Mar 11 20:58
schestowitz He read through them Mar 11 20:58
schestowitz PeterFA: yes, pretty much Mar 11 20:58
schestowitz They need to be sued again Mar 11 20:58
schestowitz They bribe their way out of justice Mar 11 20:58
schestowitz Time. After. Time. Mar 11 20:59
schestowitz The bribe is euphemistically called “settlement” Mar 11 20:59
schestowitz They pretend it’s the punishment for the crime, which it isn’t Mar 11 20:59
schestowitz They also bribed an employee of theirs for blowing the weasel on financial fraud at Microsoft Mar 11 21:00
PeterFA Are their official public logs of these trials? Mar 11 21:00
schestowitz Yes Mar 11 21:00
schestowitz Some of them Mar 11 21:00
schestowitz But they ended the trial fast Mar 11 21:00
schestowitz Paid lots of money Mar 11 21:00
schestowitz IOW, they obstruct justice using money Mar 11 21:00
PeterFA I have heard of that. The Lindows project changed its name because Microsoft was losing since Windows is a tad general. Mar 11 21:00
PeterFA If Lindows one, that would severely hurt Microsoft’s hold on the names. Mar 11 21:01
PeterFA Because then I’d be able to make my own Windows 2000 :) Mar 11 21:01
PeterFA Or Windows Vista. Mar 11 21:01
*PeterFA hurredly repackages Kubuntu. Mar 11 21:02
schestowitz :-) Mar 11 21:02
PeterFA I’m making a website called Linux-starter.com which is aimed toward users who have interest in using Linux but are not nerds. Mar 11 21:03
PeterFA It teaches them how to get going with Linux. Mar 11 21:03
PeterFA I chose Linux Mint. Mar 11 21:03
tacone plenty of those. Mar 11 21:03
tacone make a website to teach corporations to play fair Mar 11 21:03
PeterFA I’m trying not to trash talk Microsoft at all. Mar 11 21:04
PeterFA Oh yeah, I heard Microsoft owns a lot of Apple stock :) Mar 11 21:08
schestowitz tacone: +1 Mar 11 21:08
schestowitz PeterFA: yes, Apple helps Microsoft, too Mar 11 21:08
PeterFA How? Mar 11 21:09
schestowitz They are ‘frienemies’ (I hate this word) Mar 11 21:09
schestowitz PeterFA: OOXML, fonts, etc. Mar 11 21:09
PeterFA I thought OOXML was entirely Microsoft. What does Apple have to do with it? Mar 11 21:10
tacone buff Mar 11 21:12
tacone duopoly is worst than monopoly Mar 11 21:12
schestowitz Hehe. http://www.guiasinformaticas.es… Mar 11 21:12
tacone creates the illuson of choice Mar 11 21:12
schestowitz He used the picture that I found Mar 11 21:12
tacone like republicans and democrats Mar 11 21:12
tacone and so on. Mar 11 21:12
schestowitz Yes, exactly. Mar 11 21:13
schestowitz Apple and Microsoft… competitng for the same party Mar 11 21:13
schestowitz Apple, Microsoft= faction Mar 11 21:13
schestowitz party=MPAA/RIAA/etc Mar 11 21:13
tacone in italy, when fascism fell, a secret society was created. called p2 Mar 11 21:13
schestowitz Party owns the factions Mar 11 21:13
schestowitz It’s like US elections Mar 11 21:13
tacone their manifesto had many points (like media control etc) Mar 11 21:13
tacone one of the points was to kill all parties and form only 2 big ones. Mar 11 21:13
schestowitz Select either one, but you’ll get DRM and blobs and kill switches anyway Mar 11 21:13
schestowitz Mac or PC… gimme a break :-) Mar 11 21:14
PeterFA How does Google play into the drama? Mar 11 21:14
tacone (and they finally did. italy has only 2 parties. and the premier is an ex-adept of the society)  lol Mar 11 21:14
schestowitz Not sure Mar 11 21:14
schestowitz Google is in another area Mar 11 21:14
schestowitz Web and SaaS Mar 11 21:14
PeterFA So far they’re looking good. Mar 11 21:14
PeterFA To me, at lest. Mar 11 21:14
PeterFA least* Mar 11 21:14
schestowitz Oh, cool. We made front page: http://softlibre.barrapunto.com… Mar 11 21:15
PeterFA Google is not entirely untouchy with the desktop worl. Mar 11 21:16
PeterFA world* Mar 11 21:16
PeterFA Only company to make any recognizable effort to embrace Open Source that did not start out that way. Mar 11 21:16
PeterFA RH has done a good job, but they were Open Source from the get-go. Mar 11 21:17
PeterFA They don’t count :) Mar 11 21:17
tacone google for now just seems to ignore things they don’t want to spread (like AGPL) but i didn’t see anything really evil from them since now Mar 11 21:17
MinceR they do a lot of evil Mar 11 21:19
tessier_ What is AGPL? How is it different from GPL? Mar 11 21:19
tessier_ Does FSF support AGPL? Mar 11 21:19
MinceR yes, they do Mar 11 21:19
tessier_ I’m not convinced that google does a lot of evil Mar 11 21:19
tessier_ But let’s talk about AGPL first. :) Mar 11 21:19
tessier_ What’s the difference between AGPL and GPL? Mar 11 21:20
tessier_ Why would google be ok with GPL but not AGPL? Mar 11 21:20
tacone i’ve learned that it’s always preferable someone that does evil in secret than someone how does evil and make everyone know. Mar 11 21:20
PeterFA tacone, hmm, got a good point. Mar 11 21:20
tacone tessier_: first read some wikipedia or something about agpl Mar 11 21:20
MinceR AGPL requires any derivative of a webapp to offer the option to download the source code Mar 11 21:21
MinceR (or any other program where it’s applicable) Mar 11 21:21
MinceR it targets SaaS Mar 11 21:21
PeterFA That’s interesting. Mar 11 21:21
PeterFA That’s why Google wouldn’t like it. Mar 11 21:21
schestowitz PeterFA: Red Hat predates ‘open source[ Mar 11 21:21
PeterFA They do webapps. Mar 11 21:21
PeterFA schestowitz, yeah, but FSF does not, and Linux was always GPL2. Mar 11 21:22
tacone like launchpad. it will be made agpl. so you can use it for whatever you want, but you’ll have to release the source code of any modifications just for the fact of putting your version online. Mar 11 21:22
tessier_ Ah. Mar 11 21:22
PeterFA schestowitz, er… Mar 11 21:22
PeterFA schestowitz, but it does not predate FSF. Mar 11 21:22
tacone not only they don’t like it. they don’t allow the licence on google code !.. Mar 11 21:22
tacone that’s the thing. Mar 11 21:22
tacone they don’t want it to spread because that will force them to do all the work for their proprietary webservices, one day. Mar 11 21:23
schestowitz tessier: think about Google’s Apache deriv Mar 11 21:23
tacone AGPL is a cancer (?) Mar 11 21:23
schestowitz As if it were *gpl Mar 11 21:23
PeterFA The GPL doesn’t really have any restrictions until you distribute :) Mar 11 21:24
PeterFA You can make all the changes you want and keep them all a secret so long as you don’t distribute anything. Mar 11 21:24
PeterFA However, the Tivo case is a failure. Mar 11 21:24
PeterFA Well, as much as I’d like to talk and learn, I gotta get going. Mar 11 21:25
schestowitz cya later then Mar 11 21:25
*PeterFA has quit (“Gone”) Mar 11 21:26
schestowitz Why Bloggers (All People) Need To Count As Journalists < http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2009/03/11… > Mar 11 21:28
balzac To the extent that we understand journalism and practice it, we are journalists. To the extent that we understand and practice law, we are laywers. Mar 11 21:36
schestowitz “you’d be surprised how many ppl i know are switching to ubuntu, i even got my self a copy: with the LiveCD/Persistence you can try and test it with out having to install anything of ur hard drive.” http://techdirt.com/articles/2… Mar 11 21:36
schestowitz The Iceland story is everywhere :-) Because of /. and some BN people who spread the word Mar 11 21:37
schestowitz Hehe. http://www.vanityfair.com/politi… Mar 11 21:37
schestowitz Watch the image on the right Mar 11 21:37
schestowitz Australian police may get hacking powers < http://news.cnet.com/8301-1009_… > Mar 11 21:46
schestowitz Interesting that Michael has just used this as a reference: http://en.wikipedia.org/… Mar 11 21:46
schestowitz Never knew about the incident: many decades later it’s still bad publicity for them: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&… Mar 11 21:46
schestowitz Not what it sounds like:  Microsoft to kill off Internet Explorer <  http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news… > Mar 11 21:49
schestowitz Here is a pair that can snatch the industry from the west: http://www.digitimes.com/news/a… (Foxconn to join VIA-led alliance for white-box netbooks) Mar 11 21:53
schestowitz Lessig is @ it again: “WHETHER OR NOT “money bought” this result, you have committed this wrong.” http://www.lessig.org/blog/2009/03/… Mar 11 21:55
trmanco http://www.php.net/index… Mar 11 21:55
trmanco stupid no modular Windows needs a new php build to fixe the cURL bugs Mar 11 21:56
trmanco non* Mar 11 21:56
trmanco Note: Only the Windows packages are affected. Mar 11 21:56
trmanco http://www.h-online.com/security… Mar 11 21:58
schestowitz Hehe. Small patch otherwise. Tiny. Mar 11 22:02
trmanco we can wait 7 years Mar 11 22:04
trmanco not we, Windows users Mar 11 22:04
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schestowitz Why did Microsoft wait 7 years to fix SMBRelay attack flaw? < http://blogs.zdnet.com… > Mar 11 22:07
trmanco BS Mar 11 22:09
schestowitz BSNet Mar 11 22:10
schestowitz ZDNet Mar 11 22:10
schestowitz http://www.wired.com/techbi… ““A verbal memo [no email allowed] was passed around the MS campus encouraging MS employee’s to post to ZDNet articles like this one,” the email said.” Mar 11 22:11
schestowitz Remember Cuil?  http://www.daniweb.com/blogs/… Mar 11 22:12
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balzac I think the php dev-team is being a little too focused on the bottom line there Mar 11 22:31
balzac when there’s a bug on windows, someone says “jump”, they ask “how high”? Mar 11 22:31
balzac There’s no big hurry for GNU/Linux users Mar 11 22:32
balzac I was also a bit bent when I heard that the ubiquity plugin for Firefox wasn’t working for any GNU/Linux yet but it worked right away for Windows and OSX Mar 11 22:32
balzac It seems pretty obvious that GNU/Linux should come before OSX or Windows Mar 11 22:33
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jcook66 are my concerns about mono warranted? Mar 11 22:36
tessier_ jcook66: Are you kissing strangers again? Mar 11 22:37
jcook66 no, I’m just looking for a non-mono way to convert openxml files to odf Mar 11 22:38
schestowitz Hi, jcook66 Mar 11 22:39
jcook66 hello Mar 11 22:39
schestowitz Heh. tessier spoke about mononucleosis Mar 11 22:39
schestowitz OOXML is a Microsoft crime Mar 11 22:40
schestowitz (and a format) Mar 11 22:40
jcook66 yeah, I caught that. Mar 11 22:40
schestowitz Novell helps Microsoft poison everything with .NET Mar 11 22:40
schestowitz How did you get OOXML? Mar 11 22:40
jcook66 My company doesn’t understand that it’s bad. Mar 11 22:41
schestowitz They are not standard Mar 11 22:41
schestowitz Convince them by explaining Mar 11 22:42
jcook66 I was trying to find a command-line tool for parsing it and re-formatting it into odf Mar 11 22:42
schestowitz I think there’s an ODF plugin for Office that’s pretty decent Mar 11 22:42
jcook66 I think that’s the way to go. The odf-converter command-line tool uses mono. Mar 11 22:42
jcook66 not only a bad thing for the obvious reasons, but like 50+ megs of dependencies. Mar 11 22:43
jcook66 I can’t understand the decision to use mono when there are so many other xml tools out there. Mar 11 22:44
jcook66 apparently accessing Exchange 2007 from Evolution will require mono as well? Mar 11 22:45
schestowitz That’s Novell Mar 11 22:46
schestowitz Can OOo not import MOOX Mar 11 22:46
schestowitz OOo 3? Mar 11 22:46
schestowitz jcook66: wait. Do you have a link to that last bit? Mar 11 22:47
schestowitz    >>> “apparently accessing Exchange 2007 from Evolution will require mono as well?” Mar 11 22:47
schestowitz where can I find info on that? Mar 11 22:47
jcook66 looking for it, just a sec Mar 11 22:49
Balrog_ system.building.openoffice == takes.forever Mar 11 22:49
schestowitz Thanks. Mar 11 22:51
schestowitz BTW, is Evolution already part of the ‘core’ of GNOME? Mar 11 22:52
schestowitz I mean, like TomTom more or less? Mar 11 22:52
jcook66 Thankfully, I was wrong. I misunderstood the packaginig of my linux distro which only requires mono because of beagle. Mar 11 22:52
jcook66 My appologies Mar 11 22:52
schestowitz jcook66: ah, OK Mar 11 22:53
Balrog_ looks like it is Mar 11 22:53
schestowitz Because Evolution has some Mono-requiring plugins Mar 11 22:53
jcook66 exactly Mar 11 22:53
schestowitz In opensuse, you can’t really remove it well.. Mar 11 22:53
schestowitz Mono mess Mar 11 22:53
jcook66 But it looks like openchange uses samba4 Mar 11 22:53
jcook66 a much better choice Mar 11 22:53
schestowitz Balrog: I see more denials of Apple sub-notebooks Mar 11 22:56
schestowitz [coming from the Wintel press] Mar 11 22:56
Balrog it’s so mixed Mar 11 22:57
Balrog we have no idea what’s going on with apple and sub-notebooks right now Mar 11 22:57
schestowitz That’s what Apple would prefer Mar 11 22:58
schestowitz False stuff? Lies, Damned Lies, and Apple Netbook Rumors < http://www.pcworld.com/article/161031/lies_damn… > Mar 11 22:59
Balrog_ yes, and that helps prevent stock-market speculation Mar 11 22:59
jcook66 thanks for all the fish… Mar 11 23:00
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schestowitz Balrog: http://blogs.computerworld.com/get_over_it… (Get over it! There’s no Apple netbook) Mar 11 23:18
schestowitz USB fingers. Hehe. http://bergie.iki.fi/blog/when_reality… Mar 11 23:18
MinceR gn Mar 11 23:23
MinceR “usb fingers” sounds like an illness Mar 11 23:23
schestowitz only if it runs autorun.inf by default Mar 11 23:31
schestowitz Don’t bite those fingers. You might catch a cold.. or a virus Mar 11 23:31
PetoKraus it looks ulgy Mar 11 23:33
schestowitz fulgy? Mar 11 23:34
PetoKraus almost Mar 11 23:34
schestowitz Google and the Linux desktop < http://blogs.computerworld.com… > Mar 11 23:37
trmanco http://graphjam.com/2009/03/09/song-char… Mar 11 23:39
Balrog office depot is engaging in deceptive practices Mar 11 23:42
Balrog http://news.slashdot.org/article.pl?s… Mar 11 23:43
schestowitz new upload: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f… Mar 11 23:43
Balrog http://blog.laptopmag.com/source-office-depot… Mar 11 23:43
schestowitz Sounds like normal routine in US of Advertising Mar 11 23:45
schestowitz Like $99.99 Mar 11 23:45
Balrog the lying about stock is bad Mar 11 23:45
trmanco Vodafone Music goes DRM-free, throws in free upgrades: http://arstechnica.com/media/news/200… Mar 11 23:46
Balrog following in the footsteps of amazon and more importantly, itunes Mar 11 23:46
Balrog except that they’re not charging for upgrades Mar 11 23:46
trmanco http://www.itworld.com/windows/64099/micr… || Por Windows Vista 7, it’s not even fully baked and it is already hammered with critical security flaws Mar 11 23:55
trmanco wait… does any Microsoft product get completely baked? Mar 11 23:56
schestowitz No, just RTMed Mar 11 23:59
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  14. IRC Proceedings: Friday, May 29, 2020

    IRC logs for Friday, May 29, 2020



  15. They Came, They Saw, He Died

    Microsoft is an inherently sociopathic company; today's story of AppGet is an important reminder that Microsoft has not changed and isn't changing (Maui is another week-old example of trademark-hijacking tactics by Microsoft)



  16. Microsoft-Connected CloudGuru Doesn't Care About GNU/Linux and Now It's Gradually Killing the BSD/Linux-Centric Jupiter Broadcasting (Bought by Linux Academy)

    Assuming Docker is being 'killed' by Microsoft (or at least hijacked to push Windows, Azure and so on) while the GitHub-hosted (Microsoft) CloudGuru, whose co-founder comes from Microsoft, ‘finishes the job’ with Linux Academy and its assets, it’s time to take stock of a pattern/trend that ruins the media too



  17. What Happened to Docker is a Cautionary Tale About the Not-So-New Microsoft

    It’s hardly shocking that Docker collapsed (mass-scale layoffs) after the company had gotten close to Microsoft and got rid of its very own founder (a Red Hat veteran) while the software is being killed off/co-opted by Microsoft (all over the news this week; we’ve omitted links by intention as it’s only puff pieces, no investigative journalism anywhere); we only ask one thing: is anyone paying attention and, if so, what are the lessons learned?



  18. If You Want to Support and Follow Us 'Properly', Really Simple Syndication (RSS) is Most Reliable and Robust to Censorship

    Our longstanding position on social control media (we reject it and don't participate in it) is only proven ever more justified now that the mere idea of fact-checking is seen as controversial if not illegal



  19. Links 29/5/2020: Genode OS 20.05 and FSF Video Conferencing Service

    Links for the day



  20. IRC Proceedings: Thursday, May 28, 2020

    IRC logs for Thursday, May 28, 2020



  21. Weaponised Media Promoting an Illegal Patent System (UPC), Exploiting Major Pandemic in the Process

    The whole 'unitary' scam/ploy (merely a Trojan horse for litigation and low-quality/invalid patents) is being promoted by Thierry Breton as EU Internal Market Commissioner (in spite of illegalities and constitutional issues), merely reinforcing the view that the EU is rather complicit in the abuses perpetrated by Team Battistelli; the media in the pockets of oligarchs and litigation firms (fronting for these oligarchs) plays along, as usual



  22. Links 28/5/2020: OpenSSH 8.3, New Mesa Release, Raspberry Pi 4 News, Fedora 32 Elections

    Links for the day



  23. The EPO Became a Very Radical Institution

    Projection tactics are doomed to say more about the people who utilise them than about anybody else; the EPO has become so autocratic and corrupt that corruption is seen as normal and workers who explain this corruption are framed as "irrational" or "crazy" or "radical"



  24. IRC Proceedings: Wednesday, May 27, 2020

    IRC logs for Wednesday, May 27, 2020



  25. Allegations That Microsoft Will Ruin Besieged Clinics and Hospitals to Retaliate Against Those Who Name the Culprit

    With a broader picture coming into view, as per the above index, we're starting to wrap up the series while issuing a call for more stories and eyewitness testimonies, exposing the nature of attacks on hospitals (those almost always target Microsoft and others' proprietary software, which is technically unfit for purpose)



  26. Microsoft Has Ideas...

    Based on the pattern of media coverage, composed by Microsoft MVPs and Microsoft-affiliated blogs/sites, confusing the public about the meaning of GNU/Linux is reminiscent of an "Extend" phase



  27. ZDNet Proves Our Point by Doing Not a Single Article About Linux (RC7), Only About Linus and Windows Clickbait Junk

    It seems abundantly clear that nobody wants to cover the actual news about Linux and instead it’s all about which PC Linus Torvalds is using (gossip/tabloid); ZDNet‘s latest two articles are an example of this…



  28. UPC Lies That Make One Laugh...

    IP Kat and Bristows (overlaps exist) are still pretending that the UPC is coming because reality doesn’t seem to matter anymore, only self-serving agenda



  29. Canonical Continues to Help Promote Windows Instead of GNU/Linux or Ubuntu

    Thrice in the past week alone Canonical used the official “Ubuntu Blog” to help Microsoft instead of GNU/Linux and it is part of a disturbing trend which lends credibility to jokes or rumours about a Microsoft takeover; it's not like many people use this thing, either (Canonical helps Microsoft shore up a dying/languishing EEE attempt)



  30. Links 27/5/2020: CoreOS Container Linux Reaches Its End-Of-Life, 2020 GNOME Foundation Elections Coming

    Links for the day


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