04.17.09
IRC: #boycottnovell @ FreeNode: April 16th, 2009 – Part 1
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| Balrog_ | hello everyone | Apr 16 00:09 |
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| Balrog_ | looks terribly quiet here … | Apr 16 00:09 |
| silentivm | yep | Apr 16 00:13 |
| Balrog_ | nothing noteworthy going on? | Apr 16 00:13 |
| silentivm | likely no | Apr 16 00:13 |
| schestowitz | Maybe not today | Apr 16 00:13 |
| schestowitz | WTF is this? http://boycottnovell.com/wiki/index.ph… | Apr 16 00:25 |
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| schestowitz | Hi, tacone | Apr 16 00:45 |
| tacone | hey | Apr 16 00:45 |
| schestowitz | I was away eating earlier | Apr 16 00:45 |
| tacone | np | Apr 16 00:45 |
| schestowitz | So I could not reply | Apr 16 00:45 |
| foo2ram | tlooks like i soon won’t be able to coexist in this channel and ##windows | Apr 16 00:45 |
| schestowitz | Yes, I saw the audiocast guys | Apr 16 00:45 |
| tacone | i forgot they already mentioned several BN posts. | Apr 16 00:45 |
| tacone | in their previous podcast | Apr 16 00:45 |
| schestowitz | They look with respect now, despite the fact that they interviewed Microsoft employees(ish) | Apr 16 00:45 |
| schestowitz | If Miguel counts… | Apr 16 00:46 |
| tacone | they’re just doing what a journalist should do. | Apr 16 00:46 |
| tacone | cover every point of view. | Apr 16 00:46 |
| tacone | i don’t listen them regularly because it’s tiring for me to catch the spoken language | Apr 16 00:47 |
| tacone | but it seems they’re being quite honest. | Apr 16 00:47 |
| tacone | schestowitz: ironically, i was about to make an april fool similar to yours | Apr 16 00:50 |
| tacone | only I was about to say Sun acquired Novell. And some IT journalist wrote the same thing, but not on 1st april  |
Apr 16 00:51 |
| Balrog_ | I don’t think Sun would acquire Novell that easily … | Apr 16 00:52 |
| Balrog_ | foo2ram: you mean they’ll kick/ban for that?!? | Apr 16 00:52 |
| foo2ram | no | Apr 16 00:54 |
| foo2ram | i’m always ban evading | Apr 16 00:54 |
| Balrog_ | lol | Apr 16 00:55 |
| Balrog_ | I meant would they ban only for being in a certain room? | Apr 16 00:55 |
| schestowitz | tacone: yes, it’s good that they cover both sides | Apr 16 00:55 |
| schestowitz | I watches some Nader videos earlier | Apr 16 00:55 |
| foo2ram | it’s just that watching horror films ova here doesn’t make me wanna exist in the room where this horror is enforced | Apr 16 00:55 |
| schestowitz | What the press does to him is appalling | Apr 16 00:55 |
| schestowitz | They invite him only to attack and daemomise it | Apr 16 00:56 |
| schestowitz | he scared the news networks that are funded by the same corporation which he criticises. | Apr 16 00:56 |
| schestowitz | tacone: not a journalist wrote about Sun. | Apr 16 00:56 |
| schestowitz | Just an Alfresco employee | Apr 16 00:57 |
| schestowitz | And FORMER NOVELL EMPLOYEE | Apr 16 00:57 |
| tacone | oh | Apr 16 00:57 |
| tacone | so it’s just me misreading | Apr 16 00:57 |
| foo2ram | Balrog_, not of course, it’s just as easy as not wanting to have a schizophrenia existing in both | Apr 16 00:57 |
| tacone | schestowitz: sorry | Apr 16 00:58 |
| schestowitz | We need an ACTA symbol | Apr 16 00:58 |
| tacone | i was just inaccurate | Apr 16 00:58 |
| schestowitz | Something ugly | Apr 16 00:58 |
| tacone | the news exists, but i missed it was dated 2004  |
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| tacone | http://news.cnet.com/Sun-mul… | Apr 16 00:58 |
| schestowitz | I want to make an image that projects what it embodies | Apr 16 00:58 |
| schestowitz | Oh, I know! | Apr 16 00:59 |
| schestowitz | Racketta | Apr 16 00:59 |
| schestowitz | rACkeTtA | Apr 16 00:59 |
| tacone | RACKETta ? | Apr 16 01:00 |
| schestowitz | how is it spelled in Italian? | Apr 16 01:00 |
| tacone | ? | Apr 16 01:01 |
| tacone | what you mean ‘ | Apr 16 01:02 |
| tacone | ? | Apr 16 01:02 |
| schestowitz | Like protection racket | Apr 16 01:02 |
| tacone | yes | Apr 16 01:02 |
| schestowitz | I think it’s an Italian term. | Apr 16 01:02 |
| tacone | italian language is different only in the vowels | Apr 16 01:02 |
| tacone | spelled = how it’s written or pronunced ? | Apr 16 01:03 |
| schestowitz | http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&rl… | Apr 16 01:03 |
| tacone | i think it’s an english term | Apr 16 01:03 |
| tacone | let me check | Apr 16 01:03 |
| tacone | racket it’s english | Apr 16 01:04 |
| tacone | we usually say ‘protezione’ (protection) or ‘pizzo’ | Apr 16 01:04 |
| tacone | pizzo the money you ask | Apr 16 01:05 |
| tacone | asking for pizzo. | Apr 16 01:05 |
| tacone | does that answer your question ? | Apr 16 01:05 |
| tacone | or estorsione (i bet you can find the equivalent term) | Apr 16 01:05 |
| schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/wp-… | Apr 16 01:06 |
| schestowitz | Oh, pizzo | Apr 16 01:06 |
| tacone | seems nice enough | Apr 16 01:06 |
| schestowitz | I remember the term | Apr 16 01:06 |
| schestowitz | Easy to remember | Apr 16 01:06 |
| tacone | pizzo is a typical term. not the same one, but related | Apr 16 01:06 |
| schestowitz | If you don’t ask for pizza, then you ask for pizzo | Apr 16 01:06 |
| schestowitz | If you mispronounce pizza they call the police !! |
Apr 16 01:07 |
| tacone | if you know someone successful doing business in your territory, then why don’t ask him pizzo ? | Apr 16 01:07 |
| tacone | no, everyone shuts up. | Apr 16 01:07 |
| tacone | thou shalt not talk  |
Apr 16 01:08 |
| tacone | they won’t harm you, as your business may disappear. they’d rather harm your family. | Apr 16 01:08 |
| schestowitz | Vista 7 Death Watch: http://boycottnovell.com/2009/… | Apr 16 01:11 |
| schestowitz | Antitrust returns: http://boycottnovell.com/2009/04/15/micr… | Apr 16 01:12 |
| schestowitz | Former Seattle P-I Staffers Launch Non-Profit News Site < http://www.paidcontent.org/entry/419… >. Reporting becomes voluntary… | Apr 16 01:23 |
| schestowitz | gn | Apr 16 01:23 |
| tacone | gn | Apr 16 01:39 |
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| tacone | lol | Apr 16 01:47 |
| tacone | read planet suse now | Apr 16 01:47 |
| tacone | http://www.planetsuse.org/ the first post | Apr 16 01:47 |
| Balrog_ | wow … Gnote is taking over fast. | Apr 16 01:49 |
| tacone | well not really that but | Apr 16 01:49 |
| tacone | the fact he is still aggregated on planet suse | Apr 16 01:49 |
| Balrog_ | yes I see. | Apr 16 01:49 |
| tacone | what an irony, announcing 0.12 in planet suse |
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| Balrog_ | it’s a good thing | Apr 16 01:50 |
| tacone | planet ballnux |
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| *foo2ram should probably install gnote to get a clue what’s that inside | Apr 16 01:51 | |
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| _Hicham_ | Hi balzac | Apr 16 02:42 |
| paulgaskin | hi _Hicham_ | Apr 16 02:58 |
| _Hicham_ | how r u doing? | Apr 16 02:58 |
| paulgaskin | looks like my freenode nick has been taken | Apr 16 02:58 |
| paulgaskin | alright | Apr 16 02:58 |
| paulgaskin | this is odd | Apr 16 02:59 |
| paulgaskin | I switched from balzac to paulgaskin | Apr 16 03:00 |
| paulgaskin | now I can’t seem to switch back | Apr 16 03:00 |
| *paulgaskin is now known as balzac | Apr 16 03:01 | |
| balzac | ok | Apr 16 03:01 |
| balzac | I was in a channel which locked me out | Apr 16 03:02 |
| balzac | well, I was blocked from changing my nick until I left that channel | Apr 16 03:02 |
| balzac | that was odd | Apr 16 03:02 |
| _Hicham_ | that must be a cursed channel | Apr 16 03:04 |
| balzac | no, just a channel in which I was present, yet not allowed to speak | Apr 16 03:05 |
| balzac | #ubuntu-ops | Apr 16 03:05 |
| balzac | I had a bit of a psychological snafu involving an OP there | Apr 16 03:05 |
| balzac | I don’t take the credit for the brittleness of IRC ops | Apr 16 03:05 |
| balzac | I called him an authoritarian mall cop and said I’d make an issue of it at Ubuntu community council | Apr 16 03:06 |
| balzac | he’s going to discuss with colleagues | Apr 16 03:06 |
| balzac | It was weird | Apr 16 03:06 |
| balzac | I don’t want to see people with real trouble based on IRC | Apr 16 03:07 |
| _Hicham_ | they think that they are very important | Apr 16 03:07 |
| balzac | well, they are, but so are we all | Apr 16 03:07 |
| balzac | Anyway, we’re acquainted on a first-name basis now, but he’s still pissed | Apr 16 03:08 |
| balzac | or something… | Apr 16 03:08 |
| balzac | Too much corporate discipline freezes people’s personalities | Apr 16 03:09 |
| _Hicham_ | u said the truth | Apr 16 03:09 |
| balzac | I’m not saying they don’t need ops, and that ops should never ban people | Apr 16 03:09 |
| balzac | but I asked him to lift the ban after a few weeks had passed | Apr 16 03:10 |
| _Hicham_ | they are just morons | Apr 16 03:10 |
| balzac | he wanted me to take a good 5 minutes and read the COC | Apr 16 03:10 |
| balzac | code of conduct | Apr 16 03:10 |
| _Hicham_ | better talk to humans, not to robots | Apr 16 03:10 |
| balzac | I came back after a minute 35 and said it was very basic | Apr 16 03:10 |
| balzac | even people working for big companies are people, not robots | Apr 16 03:11 |
| balzac | even if they forget sometimes in the course of their job | Apr 16 03:11 |
| _Hicham_ | no | Apr 16 03:11 |
| _Hicham_ | they become robots | Apr 16 03:11 |
| _Hicham_ | practically | Apr 16 03:11 |
| balzac | they become bureaucrats | Apr 16 03:11 |
| _Hicham_ | shitocrats | Apr 16 03:11 |
| balzac | well, they’re still people who want to keep their jobs | Apr 16 03:12 |
| balzac | and move up as well | Apr 16 03:12 |
| _Hicham_ | I agree on that | Apr 16 03:13 |
| _Hicham_ | but we still need to feel human contact | Apr 16 03:13 |
| balzac | people need to be personal | Apr 16 03:14 |
| balzac | in the positive sense | Apr 16 03:14 |
| balzac | and perhaps bureaucratic when it’s appropriate | Apr 16 03:14 |
| balzac | Actually, a good bureaucrat seems personally interested or at least not indifferent when engaging others. | Apr 16 03:15 |
| _Hicham_ | good night | Apr 16 03:16 |
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| Anyone out there awake? | Apr 16 03:23 | |
| zer0c00l | twitter, yes | Apr 16 03:23 |
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| zer0c00l | its morning here | Apr 16 03:23 |
| zer0c00l | balzac, is awake i guess | Apr 16 03:23 |
| Good morning, zer0 | Apr 16 03:24 | |
| zer0c00l | Good morning twitter | Apr 16 03:24 |
| Here’s a fun link about M$’s crushing of Corel. http://www.windowsitpro.com/Article… | Apr 16 03:25 | |
| Patent abuse, .NET promotion, the works. Look familiar? Same old game, year 2000. | Apr 16 03:25 | |
| I think it’s safe to say it’s a losing game now. | Apr 16 03:25 | |
| balzac | yo | Apr 16 03:26 |
| Needless to say, Corel Linux died and Word Perfect for Linux and Unix became a Wine thing after that. | Apr 16 03:37 | |
| tessier | Corel Linux…wow…haven’t heard of that in years. | Apr 16 03:40 |
| It’s called Xandros, I think. | Apr 16 03:41 | |
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| schestowitz | Hey | Apr 16 07:36 |
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| schestowitz | New document on Microsoft’s crimes: http://www.ecis.eu/documents/Finalv… It reminds me of Comes Petition. Any text version? Is this reproducible. | Apr 16 07:49 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch… | Apr 16 08:18 |
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| schestowitz | Spies come to Microblogging: What’s the newest police tool? Try Twitter < http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/stor… > | Apr 16 08:37 |
| schestowitz | Chambers Signals Cisco Unlikely to Make Offer for Sun http://bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid… | Apr 16 08:47 |
| schestowitz | RMS: “Obama has confirmed his support for the copyright bullies against the public, by appointing another RIAA lawyer to public office. By doing this shortly after many organizations asked him not to do so, he made his support for the cruel War on Sharing more pointed.” | Apr 16 08:50 |
| schestowitz | Police watchdog chief wrong to say no CCTV in area of Ian Tomlinson assault < http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2009/apr/1… > RMS: ” The London “independent” police investigating agency claimed there were no surveillance cameras in the area where police fatally attacked Tomlinson. Until citizens found cameras there.” | Apr 16 08:52 |
| schestowitz | “It is strange that these cameras failed to show police attacking a civilian. But not really so strage, given that the police are the ones who check the recordings. Police systematically lie to support the crimes of the police, and that naturally includes failing to notice evidence of these crimes.” | Apr 16 08:52 |
| schestowitz | World will not meet 2C warming target, climate change experts agree < http://www.guardian.co.uk/environ… > | Apr 16 08:54 |
| schestowitz | Climate change explained – the impact of temperature rises < http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2… > People are ‘too busy’ for this… | Apr 16 08:55 |
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| schestowitz | “MP4 (or mov) wouldn’t satisfy stallman anymore than flash does. It’s patent-encumbered. There’s actually a difference. Patent issues are dependant on the legislation one is currently in. MPEG codecs are not patented in every part of the world.” http://www.osnews.com/thread?358563 | Apr 16 08:56 |
| schestowitz | http://www.passalongnetworks.com/index.html is shutting down.  |
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| MinceR | j0 | Apr 16 09:29 |
| schestowitz | Protests in EU | Apr 16 09:32 |
| schestowitz | Germany.. | Apr 16 09:32 |
| schestowitz | I process the videos (ping zoobab01, are you there?) | Apr 16 09:32 |
| schestowitz | Europe revolts against software patents: http://boycottnovell.com/2009/0… | Apr 16 09:37 |
| schestowitz | ACTA is racketeering: http://boycottnovell.com/2009… | Apr 16 09:37 |
| schestowitz | Videos of the talk Richard Stallman gave at the EPO protests yesterday: http://boycottnovell.com/2009/04… | Apr 16 09:44 |
| schestowitz | it’ll be interesting to see bandwidth usage tomorrow because of the Oggs. We already do 7-8GB/day | Apr 16 09:47 |
| zer0c00l | schestowitz, downloading RMS video  |
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| zer0c00l | Its 15 Mb? | Apr 16 09:48 |
| schestowitz | Can you help find connection between McKinsey & Co. analyst William Forrest and Microsoft? http://www.forbes.com/2009/04/15/cloud-… | Apr 16 09:48 |
| schestowitz | zer0c00l: the second part is 25MB | Apr 16 09:48 |
| schestowitz | I wonder if the authorities cut his talk short | Apr 16 09:48 |
| schestowitz | You hear sirens and then RMS says he’s asked to stop talking | Apr 16 09:49 |
| schestowitz | He called the EPO corruct | Apr 16 09:49 |
| schestowitz | He called people to defend their constitution. | Apr 16 09:49 |
| schestowitz | The authorities and the EPO nearby couldn’t be too happy | Apr 16 09:49 |
| schestowitz | The Alex Brown shill is still batting for the MafiaSoft | Apr 16 09:50 |
| schestowitz | “USA votes to adopt OOXML as an ANSI standard, & IBM votes yes; how do we read that one?” | Apr 16 09:50 |
| schestowitz | http://ballot.itic.org/itic/archive… | Apr 16 09:50 |
| schestowitz | Makes one thing of back room collusion again. | Apr 16 09:50 |
| schestowitz | ZDNET contradicts itself and says: “But Linux isn’t the big beast Microsoft fears: it’s Apple.” | Apr 16 09:53 |
| schestowitz | No, no. Microsoft ITSELF says that Linux is a greater threat. | Apr 16 09:53 |
| MinceR | they realized they shouldn’t have said that | Apr 16 09:54 |
| schestowitz | “Linux looks to be a big desktop OS winner — at least in the enterprise. White reckoned that, in the 2007 version of this annual survey, 42 per cent said they’d switch to Linux, but two years later in 2009, half said they’d switch.” http://community.zdnet.co.uk/blog/… | Apr 16 09:54 |
| MinceR | so they use their mouthpiece known as zdnet to start saying the opposite | Apr 16 09:54 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: they have said this for ages | Apr 16 09:54 |
| schestowitz | Linux plays for another rule and zeroes Microsoft’s profits | Apr 16 09:54 |
| schestowitz | And it’s NOT just for desktops, either. It runs everything and big companies from oracle to IBM and Google use it. | Apr 16 09:55 |
| MinceR | i know but it might be unwise to reveal who one fears most | Apr 16 09:55 |
| schestowitz | New great-lookin’ phone runs Linux: http://i.gizmodo.com/5213358/the-veriz… (PIC inside) | Apr 16 09:56 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: yes, true that too. BUT… this was said repeatedly by several executives. | Apr 16 09:57 |
| schestowitz | ALSO.. | Apr 16 09:57 |
| schestowitz | Watch quarterly report | Apr 16 09:57 |
| schestowitz | They could be sued for deceiving investors | Apr 16 09:57 |
| schestowitz | Therein they admit that Linux is their headache | Apr 16 09:57 |
| schestowitz | Does this page render for you? I get blank. http://www.webmonkey.com/blog/Three… | Apr 16 09:58 |
| schestowitz | Yuck. View page source. SO many blank parts | Apr 16 10:00 |
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| MinceR | the content doesn’t appear | Apr 16 10:01 |
| schestowitz | Alcatel uses Linux while suing Microsoft for patent infringement: http://www.internetnews.com/in… | Apr 16 10:01 |
| schestowitz | sjvn: “Windows like the dinosaurs is much slower than the quick and clever Linux mammals.” http://blogs.computerworld.com/the… | Apr 16 10:01 |
| DaemonFC | I dug up an old copy of Windows Server 2003 x64 to play with | Apr 16 10:01 |
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| MinceR | ew | Apr 16 10:02 |
| schestowitz | Does it come with Solitaire | Apr 16 10:02 |
| DaemonFC | it’s wonderful to be able to copy stuff and take it home |
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| DaemonFC | sure does | Apr 16 10:02 |
| MinceR | of course it does | Apr 16 10:02 |
| DaemonFC | B-) | Apr 16 10:02 |
| schestowitz | I heard that Microsoft’s [S]erver comes with Media Player too | Apr 16 10:02 |
| MinceR | MCSE-s have to be able to use their hard earned knowledge, after all | Apr 16 10:02 |
| DaemonFC | yes it does | Apr 16 10:02 |
| MinceR | so Minesweeper and Solitaire are a must | Apr 16 10:02 |
| schestowitz | So there was this joke, “what for?” For admins to listen to music while cleaning viruses and defragging? | Apr 16 10:02 |
| DaemonFC | -DaemonFC- VERSION xchat 2.8.7e Windows 5.2 | Apr 16 10:03 |
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| MinceR | windows server is for m$ fanboys who run it on their desktops too and lie to themselves that it’s stable | Apr 16 10:03 |
| MinceR | because it’s omfg server | Apr 16 10:03 |
| DaemonFC | it’s stable enough | Apr 16 10:03 |
| DaemonFC | the problem is drivers | Apr 16 10:03 |
| DaemonFC | sometimes drivers marked Vista x64 or Windows 7 x64 will work | Apr 16 10:04 |
| zer0c00l | just-because-its-open-source-doesnt mean its open, google blocks cupcake users from android market: http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2009… | Apr 16 10:04 |
| DaemonFC | other times you have to modify the INF file so that it will install | Apr 16 10:04 |
| zer0c00l | anyone knows whats the story behind? | Apr 16 10:04 |
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| DaemonFC | but I did manage to get it down to 0 unrecognized devices | Apr 16 10:04 |
| DaemonFC | after several hours | Apr 16 10:05 |
| DaemonFC | and using drivers meant for three different versions of Windows | Apr 16 10:05 |
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| schestowitz | zer0c00l: yes, that’s GOOG | Apr 16 10:05 |
| MinceR | they made it clear already that if you want control, you’d better avoid android market | Apr 16 10:05 |
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| MinceR | but at least you can, without jailbreaking | Apr 16 10:05 |
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| MinceR | unlike the jesusPhone | Apr 16 10:05 |
| DaemonFC | I made a partition for this so that my TV tuner card will work and I can stream my webcam on Ustream mainly | Apr 16 10:06 |
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| DaemonFC | I’m not comfortable even having this on my system really |
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| DaemonFC | everytime I figure out how to make something work I immediately back it up in a folder of macgyvered drivers | Apr 16 10:07 |
| DaemonFC | in case I need to reinstall |
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| DaemonFC | I tend to get arm twisted into upgrading when I just cannot possibly use what I have any longer | Apr 16 10:09 |
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| DaemonFC | schestowitz: Did you know Windows 95 OSR 2 could be made to do 1680 x 1050 display output? | Apr 16 10:10 |
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| schestowitz | DaemonFC: http://boycottnovell.com/2009/04/16/… I liked how he put it in terms that laymen can understand, using farming and music analogies. | Apr 16 10:10 |
| schestowitz | Windows 95: Shut me Down | Apr 16 10:11 |
| schestowitz | [But start me Up first] | Apr 16 10:11 |
| schestowitz | In Windows, you have to start in order to finish | Apr 16 10:11 |
| MinceR | you start the shutdown | Apr 16 10:12 |
| MinceR | and if you’re lucky, eventually it will finish | Apr 16 10:12 |
| schestowitz | Well, at least you know where $6BN in R&D goes… | Apr 16 10:12 |
| MinceR | on xp, this can take ages, of course | Apr 16 10:12 |
| schestowitz | brainfarts | Apr 16 10:12 |
| MinceR | R&D is probably just another code for Marketing there | Apr 16 10:12 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: when I used Windows 98 it would sometimes not finish | Apr 16 10:12 |
| DaemonFC | I don’t know, on a purely technical level, if you have to use anything from MS, it should be their business stuff | Apr 16 10:12 |
| schestowitz | It was a known bug IIRC | Apr 16 10:12 |
| schestowitz | Sometimes shutdown would not complete | Apr 16 10:12 |
| DaemonFC | it does at least tend to be less crap | Apr 16 10:12 |
| schestowitz | So you have to power down at the mains, risking loss | Apr 16 10:13 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: R&D IS a marketing term | Apr 16 10:13 |
| schestowitz | Another is innovation | Apr 16 10:13 |
| schestowitz | I’d show you Talking Points memos | Apr 16 10:13 |
| schestowitz | They are instructed to use these words | Apr 16 10:13 |
| schestowitz | And stupid FrausStreet investor are impressed by such words | Apr 16 10:14 |
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| schestowitz | Another such word is “Lebs” | Apr 16 10:14 |
| schestowitz | *Labs” | Apr 16 10:14 |
| schestowitz | be careful when you see the word. | Apr 16 10:14 |
| schestowitz | Like Adobe L:abs or Mozilla Labs | Apr 16 10:14 |
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| zer0c00l | schestowitz, when do they use | Apr 16 10:15 |
| zer0c00l | ok | Apr 16 10:15 |
| schestowitz | Labs = some guy wanking in a cubicle | Apr 16 10:15 |
| schestowitz | “Ah! yes, I can add a tickbox … RIGHT HERE! YES. Innova~1″ | Apr 16 10:15 |
| schestowitz | eWeek says “labs” | Apr 16 10:15 |
| schestowitz | Or benchmark | Apr 16 10:15 |
| DaemonFC | I’ve never really seen Microsoft out in front designing a better user interface | Apr 16 10:15 |
| schestowitz | Some authors too… talking about their “lab” | Apr 16 10:16 |
| schestowitz | Probably sitting there in a garage with a CRT | Apr 16 10:16 |
| DaemonFC | even though they like to beat their chest everytime they switch things around for absolutely no reason | Apr 16 10:16 |
| DaemonFC | that frustrates me anyway, cause I have to stop and relearn exactly how the new Windows works and where things are | Apr 16 10:17 |
| DaemonFC | before I even know where the document I just saved is | Apr 16 10:17 |
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| DaemonFC | schestowitz: But every GUI seems to be doing this to just try to differentiate themselves from everyone else | Apr 16 10:18 |
| schestowitz | GOTCHA! EU takes UK to court over Phorm snooping trials < http://www.itwire.com/content/… >. They should imprison one of the few criminals in-between the UK government, BT, and Phorm | Apr 16 10:19 |
| schestowitz | The whole thing is white-collar crime for surveillance | Apr 16 10:19 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: case of point: MSO07 | Apr 16 10:20 |
| schestowitz | Change GUI for the sake of it… | Apr 16 10:20 |
| DaemonFC | Office is even worse | Apr 16 10:20 |
| DaemonFC | but you really don’t need Office | Apr 16 10:20 |
| DaemonFC | Go-OO is compatible with enough of their formats to avoid buying MS Office | Apr 16 10:20 |
| schestowitz | http://blogs.zdnet.com/micro… Zune is dead.. | Apr 16 10:21 |
| schestowitz | Go-OO has nothing that’s not in OOo, format-wise | Apr 16 10:21 |
| schestowitz | The ‘translator’ was used by Microsoft to promote MOOX | Apr 16 10:21 |
| schestowitz | That would be part of the Novell agreement with Microsoft | Apr 16 10:22 |
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| DaemonFC | What did he mean not going to let him tell them more? | Apr 16 10:26 |
| DaemonFC | Does he mean you can be arrested for saying that you disagree with the EU? | Apr 16 10:27 |
| schestowitz | More Linux: http://www.slipperybrick.com/2009/04… (Aware A-View netbook with detachable screen, only $150) | Apr 16 10:28 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: no, it’s a democracy | Apr 16 10:28 |
| schestowitz | Had there not been legal resistance, then people above would get away with anything/ | Apr 16 10:28 |
| DaemonFC | hmmm, my logitech software saves to Windows Media | Apr 16 10:29 |
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| schestowitz | Oh wait | Apr 16 10:29 |
| schestowitz | Are we talking about Phorm or SW patents here? | Apr 16 10:29 |
| DaemonFC | Stallman’s speech | Apr 16 10:29 |
| schestowitz | Logitech is close to MS AFAIK | Apr 16 10:29 |
| schestowitz | MS was gonna buy them | Apr 16 10:29 |
| schestowitz | There were only rumours though | Apr 16 10:29 |
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| schestowitz | Logitech does not support Linux really | Apr 16 10:29 |
| DaemonFC | Microsoft makes their own cams | Apr 16 10:29 |
| schestowitz | Though I wonder, was it THEIR keyboatd that used Linux? | Apr 16 10:29 |
| schestowitz | Let me check | Apr 16 10:30 |
| DaemonFC | and the generic UVC driver works in Linux for this cam | Apr 16 10:30 |
| DaemonFC | it’s just that most web applets that access it don’t | Apr 16 10:30 |
| DaemonFC | Flash problems | Apr 16 10:30 |
| schestowitz | Ah! | Apr 16 10:30 |
| schestowitz | http://dvice.com/archives/2009/… | Apr 16 10:30 |
| MinceR | at least logitech peripherals don’t need special drivers to work | Apr 16 10:30 |
| schestowitz | “It actually has a mini Linux computer inside, letting you watch internet video or place widgets on that wee screen, front and center and tiltable for your viewing pleasure.” | Apr 16 10:30 |
| schestowitz | So Logitech now uses embedded Linux | Apr 16 10:30 |
| schestowitz | GREAT! | Apr 16 10:30 |
| MinceR | i’ve heard of a m$ keyboard where the scroll wheel didn’t even send scancodes for one direction if you didn’t use the driver | Apr 16 10:30 |
| DaemonFC | My Microsoft keyboard works in Linux, even the special buttons |
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| schestowitz | MinceR: I had a Logitech mouse | Apr 16 10:31 |
| schestowitz | Very good | Apr 16 10:31 |
| schestowitz | I mean, here at home | Apr 16 10:31 |
| schestowitz | The scroller went titsup last month | Apr 16 10:31 |
| MinceR | i have several logitech mice and two logitech keyboards | Apr 16 10:31 |
| schestowitz | So now I used another mouse | Apr 16 10:31 |
| MinceR | also, my work machine has a logitech mouse and keyboard | Apr 16 10:31 |
| schestowitz | Logitech doesn’t last me long… not even at work (same story) | Apr 16 10:31 |
| schestowitz | Mechanical issues | Apr 16 10:31 |
| MinceR | none of my slim keyboards last long, i’m trying a Logitech Ultra-Flat now | Apr 16 10:32 |
| DaemonFC | Even when I used Windows daily I avoided Windows Media | Apr 16 10:32 |
| MinceR | if this doesn’t last either, i’ll go back to my Internet Navigator SE | Apr 16 10:32 |
| MinceR | which is non-slim | Apr 16 10:32 |
| DaemonFC | it’s just very bad quality if nothing else | Apr 16 10:32 |
| DaemonFC | Someone had Ubuntu on the Windows Marketplace at one point | Apr 16 10:34 |
| schestowitz | Linux Works Even When Your PC is Committing Suicide < http://www.linuxplanet.com/linuxp… | Apr 16 10:34 |
| DaemonFC | took MS a few days to take it down | Apr 16 10:34 |
| schestowitz | Yes, been on Digg | Apr 16 10:34 |
| DaemonFC | hmmm, I may buy Oblivion: GOTY | Apr 16 10:35 |
| DaemonFC | they use SecuROM on that though so there’s a whole howto about getting it installed in Wine |
Apr 16 10:35 |
| DaemonFC | the funny thing was they released the original game with no copy protection then it got on torrent sites….. | Apr 16 10:36 |
| DaemonFC | so they paid Sony for Securom and sold this version | Apr 16 10:36 |
| DaemonFC | which got on torrent sites | Apr 16 10:36 |
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| DaemonFC | I’ll probably just build my next system | Apr 16 10:38 |
| MinceR | when will they learn? | Apr 16 10:38 |
| DaemonFC | reason I bought this whole was cause it was a refurb | Apr 16 10:38 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: They haven;t so far and back in the 80s I was using code wheels to align the runes to form the password | Apr 16 10:38 |
| DaemonFC | so I could load Dungeons & Dragons | Apr 16 10:38 |
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| oiaohm | I am currently in a real MS hating mood. | Apr 16 10:39 |
| oiaohm | On company I have been working with has split in two. So now all volume licence disks have to be returned and new disks issued to both new companies and all machines re licenced acordaly. | Apr 16 10:40 |
| oiaohm | On/One | Apr 16 10:40 |
| schestowitz | No redistribution? | Apr 16 10:41 |
| DaemonFC | that’s funny | Apr 16 10:42 |
| oiaohm | Rules of volume licences schestowitz | Apr 16 10:43 |
| oiaohm | They sux. | Apr 16 10:43 |
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| schestowitz | AIG is busy robbing (what’s left in) the United States: http://www.prwatch.org/node/8340 “House Democrats are investigating American International Group Inc.’s role in a campaign to discredit its former chairman and chief executive officer, Maurice ‘Hank’ Greenberg, in the wake of federal bailouts to the insurance company totaling $182.5 billion,” reports Bloomberg. | Apr 16 10:47 |
| DaemonFC | hmmmm | Apr 16 10:47 |
| DaemonFC | this DVR software actually works pretty well | Apr 16 10:47 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: yes, I jokes about redistribution. How hard can it be to copy 0s and 1s? | Apr 16 10:48 |
| oiaohm | Fun but is the old licence keys can be deactivated in 30 days. | Apr 16 10:48 |
| DaemonFC | hmmm | Apr 16 10:49 |
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| DaemonFC | Windows Media Player can’t playback the audio track | Apr 16 10:49 |
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| *amarsh04 made the mistake of restarting kdm whilst in kde | Apr 16 10:51 | |
| schestowitz | More crime in the US: http://www.eagletribune.com/punews/… | Apr 16 10:51 |
| oiaohm | Ok not the worse. | Apr 16 10:51 |
| schestowitz | Like Microsoft’s letters from the dead. | Apr 16 10:51 |
| oiaohm | Here is the stupid part about all this. | Apr 16 10:52 |
| schestowitz | If the state functioned, Dewey Square Group would be sentenced to PRISON | Apr 16 10:52 |
| oiaohm | I am now setting up Linux backup servers for the Windows Servers that might not have a licience in time. | Apr 16 10:52 |
| schestowitz | [Along with those funding it, inc. Microsoft] | Apr 16 10:52 |
| oiaohm | I am not sure If I should be praying for Ms failure right now. | Apr 16 10:53 |
| schestowitz | http://www.prwatch.org/node/8335 “Despite Barack Obama’s bold rhetoric on global warming, the administration is pursuing a more timid line both domestically and in international negotiations leading to the COP15 conference in Copenhagen in December. “ | Apr 16 10:54 |
| DaemonFC | oiaohm: So Microsoft’s volume licensing is forcing some pause to try Linux | Apr 16 10:54 |
| DaemonFC | ironic | Apr 16 10:54 |
| DaemonFC | hehe | Apr 16 10:54 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: no need to pray | Apr 16 10:54 |
| schestowitz | It happens naturally | Apr 16 10:54 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: I need to find a cracked uxtheme.dll so I can use unsigned solor themes |
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| DaemonFC | *color | Apr 16 10:55 |
| DaemonFC | That’s really all the $20 StyleXP program does | Apr 16 10:55 |
| DaemonFC | MS gets a cut of the license fees so you can use extra themes | Apr 16 10:55 |
| oiaohm | Remember I said some day my live gets warped. | Apr 16 11:01 |
| oiaohm | Today is one of those days. | Apr 16 11:01 |
| DaemonFC | hmmm, Deluge is on Windows | Apr 16 11:01 |
| oiaohm | You would think common sence work work. | Apr 16 11:01 |
| oiaohm | But not they are Microsoft. | Apr 16 11:01 |
| oiaohm | Ie send out the new sets of volume licience then after than de issue. | Apr 16 11:02 |
| DaemonFC | oiaohm: You have to be careful about downloading updates when that version of Windows is in Extended Support | Apr 16 11:02 |
| DaemonFC | sometimes they cause infuriating bugs on purpose that were never there before | Apr 16 11:02 |
| DaemonFC | to pester you into “upgrading” | Apr 16 11:02 |
| oiaohm | Turns out MS WSUS server basically filters that | Apr 16 11:02 |
| oiaohm | Something I wish would work on Linux. | Apr 16 11:03 |
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| schestowitz | Novell is happy about Mono, so it must be good, right? http://boycottnovell.com/2009/04/1… | Apr 16 11:23 |
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| schestowitz | oiaohm: Here is your friendly neighbour, Microsoft: http://boycottnovell.com/2009/04/16… | Apr 16 11:30 |
| MinceR | your Friendly Neighborhood Microsoft-Man? | Apr 16 11:34 |
| schestowitz | Unclew Bill givva you some candy | Apr 16 11:35 |
| MinceR | and uncle steve, too | Apr 16 11:36 |
| schestowitz | Fester?? No way. | Apr 16 11:36 |
| schestowitz | I don’t like it when FOSS sites concentrate on cannibalisation in the Linux market http://ostatic.com/blog/how-will-nove… |
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| schestowitz | Speaking of which, Novell already has the Microsoft channels (and MSDeIcaza has Channel 9). They don’t need Red Hat’s ISVs and channel partners. | Apr 16 11:39 |
| MinceR | nah, Fester is nowhere as creepy as the m$ family | Apr 16 11:39 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft is selling Ballnux vouchers (which it calls “patent royalties”, I kid you not). | Apr 16 11:40 |
| schestowitz | Some people laked stories to me. | Apr 16 11:40 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft is trying to pollute Linux with patents.. | Apr 16 11:40 |
| zoobab01 | sure | Apr 16 11:41 |
| zoobab01 | that’s why the Linux guys are so weak when it comes to fight swpats | Apr 16 11:41 |
| schestowitz | Coverage for Ken: http://ostatic.com/blog/why-isnt-open-… | Apr 16 11:41 |
| schestowitz | zoobab01: they are in deniakl | Apr 16 11:42 |
| schestowitz | Other examples: “I don’t worry about the trillion in debt because look, I still get my wage”; “global warming is not an issue because some ‘scientists’ say it’s exaggerated and Gore has a funny face”… | Apr 16 11:43 |
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| _Hicham_ | Hi oiaohm | Apr 16 11:48 |
| oiaohm | Hi _Hicham_ | Apr 16 11:48 |
