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IRC: #boycottnovell @ FreeNode: April 16th, 2009 – Part 1

Posted in IRC Logs at 3:14 am by Dr. Roy Schestowitz

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Balrog_ hello everyone Apr 16 00:09
Balrog_ looks terribly quiet here … Apr 16 00:09
silentivm yep Apr 16 00:13
Balrog_ nothing noteworthy going on? Apr 16 00:13
silentivm likely no Apr 16 00:13
schestowitz Maybe not today Apr 16 00:13
schestowitz WTF is this? http://boycottnovell.com/wiki/index.ph… Apr 16 00:25
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schestowitz Hi, tacone Apr 16 00:45
tacone hey Apr 16 00:45
schestowitz I was away eating earlier Apr 16 00:45
tacone np Apr 16 00:45
schestowitz So I could not reply Apr 16 00:45
foo2ram tlooks like i soon won’t be able to coexist in this channel and ##windows Apr 16 00:45
schestowitz Yes, I saw the audiocast guys Apr 16 00:45
tacone i forgot they already mentioned several BN posts. Apr 16 00:45
tacone in their previous podcast Apr 16 00:45
schestowitz They look with respect now, despite the fact that they interviewed Microsoft employees(ish) Apr 16 00:45
schestowitz If Miguel counts… Apr 16 00:46
tacone they’re just doing what a journalist should do. Apr 16 00:46
tacone cover every point of view. Apr 16 00:46
tacone i don’t listen them regularly because it’s tiring for me to catch the spoken language Apr 16 00:47
tacone but it seems they’re being quite honest. Apr 16 00:47
tacone schestowitz: ironically, i was about to make an april fool similar to yours Apr 16 00:50
tacone only I was about to say Sun acquired Novell. And some IT journalist wrote the same thing, but not on 1st april :P Apr 16 00:51
Balrog_ I don’t think Sun would acquire Novell that easily … Apr 16 00:52
Balrog_ foo2ram: you mean they’ll kick/ban for that?!? Apr 16 00:52
foo2ram no Apr 16 00:54
foo2ram i’m always ban evading Apr 16 00:54
Balrog_ lol Apr 16 00:55
Balrog_ I meant would they ban only for being in a certain room? Apr 16 00:55
schestowitz tacone: yes, it’s good that they cover both sides Apr 16 00:55
schestowitz I watches some Nader videos earlier Apr 16 00:55
foo2ram it’s just that watching horror films ova here doesn’t make me wanna exist in the room where this horror is enforced Apr 16 00:55
schestowitz What the press does to him is appalling Apr 16 00:55
schestowitz They invite him only to attack and daemomise it Apr 16 00:56
schestowitz he scared the news networks that are funded by the same corporation which he criticises. Apr 16 00:56
schestowitz tacone: not a journalist wrote about Sun. Apr 16 00:56
schestowitz Just an Alfresco employee Apr 16 00:57
schestowitz And FORMER NOVELL EMPLOYEE Apr 16 00:57
tacone oh Apr 16 00:57
tacone so it’s just me misreading Apr 16 00:57
foo2ram Balrog_, not of course, it’s just as easy as not wanting to have a schizophrenia existing in both Apr 16 00:57
tacone schestowitz: sorry Apr 16 00:58
schestowitz We need an ACTA symbol Apr 16 00:58
tacone i was just inaccurate Apr 16 00:58
schestowitz Something ugly Apr 16 00:58
tacone the news exists, but i missed it was dated 2004 :) Apr 16 00:58
tacone http://news.cnet.com/Sun-mul… Apr 16 00:58
schestowitz I want to make an image that projects what it embodies Apr 16 00:58
schestowitz Oh, I know! Apr 16 00:59
schestowitz Racketta Apr 16 00:59
schestowitz rACkeTtA Apr 16 00:59
tacone RACKETta ? Apr 16 01:00
schestowitz how is it spelled in Italian? Apr 16 01:00
tacone ? Apr 16 01:01
tacone what you mean ‘ Apr 16 01:02
tacone ? Apr 16 01:02
schestowitz Like protection racket Apr 16 01:02
tacone yes Apr 16 01:02
schestowitz I think it’s an Italian term. Apr 16 01:02
tacone italian language is different only in the vowels Apr 16 01:02
tacone spelled = how it’s written or pronunced ? Apr 16 01:03
schestowitz http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&rl… Apr 16 01:03
tacone i think it’s an english term Apr 16 01:03
tacone let me check Apr 16 01:03
tacone racket it’s english Apr 16 01:04
tacone we usually say ‘protezione’ (protection) or ‘pizzo’ Apr 16 01:04
tacone pizzo the money you ask Apr 16 01:05
tacone asking for pizzo. Apr 16 01:05
tacone does that answer your question ? Apr 16 01:05
tacone or estorsione (i bet you can find the equivalent term) Apr 16 01:05
schestowitz http://boycottnovell.com/wp-… Apr 16 01:06
schestowitz Oh, pizzo Apr 16 01:06
tacone seems nice enough Apr 16 01:06
schestowitz I remember the term Apr 16 01:06
schestowitz Easy to remember Apr 16 01:06
tacone pizzo is a typical term. not the same one, but related Apr 16 01:06
schestowitz If you don’t ask for pizza, then you ask for pizzo Apr 16 01:06
schestowitz If you mispronounce pizza they call the police !! :-) Apr 16 01:07
tacone if you know someone successful doing business in your territory, then why don’t ask him pizzo ? Apr 16 01:07
tacone no, everyone shuts up. Apr 16 01:07
tacone thou shalt not talk ;-) Apr 16 01:08
tacone they won’t harm you, as your business may disappear. they’d rather harm your family. Apr 16 01:08
schestowitz Vista 7 Death Watch: http://boycottnovell.com/2009/… Apr 16 01:11
schestowitz Antitrust returns: http://boycottnovell.com/2009/04/15/micr… Apr 16 01:12
schestowitz Former Seattle P-I Staffers Launch Non-Profit News Site < http://www.paidcontent.org/entry/419… >. Reporting becomes voluntary… Apr 16 01:23
schestowitz gn Apr 16 01:23
tacone gn Apr 16 01:39
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tacone lol Apr 16 01:47
tacone read planet suse now Apr 16 01:47
tacone http://www.planetsuse.org/ the first post Apr 16 01:47
Balrog_ wow … Gnote is taking over fast. Apr 16 01:49
tacone well not really that but Apr 16 01:49
tacone the fact he is still aggregated on planet suse Apr 16 01:49
Balrog_ yes I see. Apr 16 01:49
tacone what an irony, announcing 0.12 in planet suse :) Apr 16 01:49
Balrog_ :P Apr 16 01:50
Balrog_ it’s a good thing Apr 16 01:50
tacone planet ballnux :) Apr 16 01:50
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_Hicham_ Hi balzac Apr 16 02:42
paulgaskin hi _Hicham_ Apr 16 02:58
_Hicham_ how r u doing? Apr 16 02:58
paulgaskin looks like my freenode nick has been taken Apr 16 02:58
paulgaskin alright Apr 16 02:58
paulgaskin this is odd Apr 16 02:59
paulgaskin I switched from balzac to paulgaskin Apr 16 03:00
paulgaskin now I can’t seem to switch back Apr 16 03:00
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balzac ok Apr 16 03:01
balzac I was in a channel which locked me out Apr 16 03:02
balzac well, I was blocked from changing my nick until I left that channel Apr 16 03:02
balzac that was odd Apr 16 03:02
_Hicham_ that must be a cursed channel Apr 16 03:04
balzac no, just a channel in which I was present, yet not allowed to speak Apr 16 03:05
balzac #ubuntu-ops Apr 16 03:05
balzac I had a bit of a psychological snafu involving an OP there Apr 16 03:05
balzac I don’t take the credit for the brittleness of IRC ops Apr 16 03:05
balzac I called him an authoritarian mall cop and said I’d make an issue of it at Ubuntu community council Apr 16 03:06
balzac he’s going to discuss with colleagues Apr 16 03:06
balzac It was weird Apr 16 03:06
balzac I don’t want to see people with real trouble based on IRC Apr 16 03:07
_Hicham_ they think that they are very important Apr 16 03:07
balzac well, they are, but so are we all Apr 16 03:07
balzac Anyway, we’re acquainted on a first-name basis now, but he’s still pissed Apr 16 03:08
balzac or something… Apr 16 03:08
balzac Too much corporate discipline freezes people’s personalities Apr 16 03:09
_Hicham_ u said the truth Apr 16 03:09
balzac I’m not saying they don’t need ops, and that ops should never ban people Apr 16 03:09
balzac but I asked him to lift the ban after a few weeks had passed Apr 16 03:10
_Hicham_ they are just morons Apr 16 03:10
balzac he wanted me to take a good 5 minutes and read the COC Apr 16 03:10
balzac code of conduct Apr 16 03:10
_Hicham_ better talk to humans, not to robots Apr 16 03:10
balzac I came back after a minute 35 and said it was very basic Apr 16 03:10
balzac even people working for big companies are people, not robots Apr 16 03:11
balzac even if they forget sometimes in the course of their job Apr 16 03:11
_Hicham_ no Apr 16 03:11
_Hicham_ they become robots Apr 16 03:11
_Hicham_ practically Apr 16 03:11
balzac they become bureaucrats Apr 16 03:11
_Hicham_ shitocrats Apr 16 03:11
balzac well, they’re still people who want to keep their jobs Apr 16 03:12
balzac and move up as well Apr 16 03:12
_Hicham_ I agree on that Apr 16 03:13
_Hicham_ but we still need to feel human contact Apr 16 03:13
balzac people need to be personal Apr 16 03:14
balzac in the positive sense Apr 16 03:14
balzac and perhaps bureaucratic when it’s appropriate Apr 16 03:14
balzac Actually, a good bureaucrat seems personally interested or at least not indifferent when engaging others. Apr 16 03:15
_Hicham_ good night Apr 16 03:16
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twitter Anyone out there awake? Apr 16 03:23
zer0c00l twitter, yes Apr 16 03:23
zer0c00l :P Apr 16 03:23
zer0c00l its morning here Apr 16 03:23
zer0c00l balzac, is awake i guess Apr 16 03:23
twitter Good morning, zer0 Apr 16 03:24
zer0c00l Good morning twitter Apr 16 03:24
twitter Here’s a fun link about M$’s crushing of Corel.  http://www.windowsitpro.com/Article… Apr 16 03:25
twitter Patent abuse, .NET promotion, the works.  Look familiar?  Same old game, year 2000. Apr 16 03:25
twitter I think it’s safe to say it’s a losing game now. Apr 16 03:25
balzac yo Apr 16 03:26
twitter Needless to say, Corel Linux died and Word Perfect for Linux and Unix became a Wine thing after that. Apr 16 03:37
tessier Corel Linux…wow…haven’t heard of that in years. Apr 16 03:40
twitter It’s called Xandros, I think. Apr 16 03:41
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schestowitz Hey Apr 16 07:36
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schestowitz New document on Microsoft’s crimes: http://www.ecis.eu/documents/Finalv… It reminds me of Comes Petition. Any text version? Is this reproducible. Apr 16 07:49
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schestowitz Spies come to Microblogging: What’s the newest police tool? Try Twitter < http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/stor… > Apr 16 08:37
schestowitz Chambers Signals Cisco Unlikely to Make Offer for Sun http://bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid… Apr 16 08:47
schestowitz RMS: “Obama has confirmed his support for the copyright bullies against the public, by appointing another RIAA lawyer to public office. By doing this shortly after many organizations asked him not to do so, he made his support for the cruel War on Sharing more pointed.” Apr 16 08:50
schestowitz Police watchdog chief wrong to say no CCTV in area of Ian Tomlinson assault < http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2009/apr/1… > RMS: ” The London “independent” police investigating agency claimed there were no surveillance cameras in the area where police fatally attacked Tomlinson. Until citizens found cameras there.” Apr 16 08:52
schestowitz “It is strange that these cameras failed to show police attacking a civilian. But not really so strage, given that the police are the ones who check the recordings. Police systematically lie to support the crimes of the police, and that naturally includes failing to notice evidence of these crimes.” Apr 16 08:52
schestowitz World will not meet 2C warming target, climate change experts agree < http://www.guardian.co.uk/environ… > Apr 16 08:54
schestowitz Climate change explained – the impact of temperature rises < http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2… > People are ‘too busy’ for this… Apr 16 08:55
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schestowitz “MP4 (or mov) wouldn’t satisfy stallman anymore than flash does. It’s patent-encumbered. There’s actually a difference. Patent issues are dependant on the legislation one is currently in. MPEG codecs are not patented in every part of the world.” http://www.osnews.com/thread?358563 Apr 16 08:56
schestowitz http://www.passalongnetworks.com/index.html is shutting down. :-( Apr 16 09:08
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MinceR j0 Apr 16 09:29
schestowitz Protests in EU Apr 16 09:32
schestowitz Germany.. Apr 16 09:32
schestowitz I process the videos (ping zoobab01, are you there?) Apr 16 09:32
schestowitz Europe revolts against software patents: http://boycottnovell.com/2009/0… Apr 16 09:37
schestowitz ACTA is racketeering: http://boycottnovell.com/2009… Apr 16 09:37
schestowitz Videos of the talk Richard Stallman gave at the EPO protests yesterday: http://boycottnovell.com/2009/04… Apr 16 09:44
schestowitz it’ll be interesting to see bandwidth usage tomorrow because of the Oggs. We already do 7-8GB/day Apr 16 09:47
zer0c00l schestowitz, downloading RMS video :D Apr 16 09:48
zer0c00l Its 15 Mb? Apr 16 09:48
schestowitz Can you help find connection between McKinsey & Co. analyst William Forrest  and Microsoft? http://www.forbes.com/2009/04/15/cloud-… Apr 16 09:48
schestowitz zer0c00l: the second part is 25MB Apr 16 09:48
schestowitz I wonder if the authorities cut his talk short Apr 16 09:48
schestowitz You hear sirens and then RMS says he’s asked to stop talking Apr 16 09:49
schestowitz He called the EPO corruct Apr 16 09:49
schestowitz He called people to defend their constitution. Apr 16 09:49
schestowitz The authorities and the EPO nearby couldn’t be too happy Apr 16 09:49
schestowitz The Alex Brown shill is still batting for the MafiaSoft Apr 16 09:50
schestowitz “USA votes to adopt OOXML as an ANSI standard, & IBM votes yes; how do we read that one?” Apr 16 09:50
schestowitz http://ballot.itic.org/itic/archive… Apr 16 09:50
schestowitz Makes one thing of back room collusion again. Apr 16 09:50
schestowitz ZDNET contradicts itself and says: “But Linux isn’t the big beast Microsoft fears: it’s Apple.” Apr 16 09:53
schestowitz No, no. Microsoft ITSELF says that Linux is a greater threat. Apr 16 09:53
MinceR they realized they shouldn’t have said that Apr 16 09:54
schestowitz “Linux looks to be a big desktop OS winner — at least in the enterprise. White reckoned that, in the 2007 version of this annual survey, 42 per cent said they’d switch to Linux, but two years later in 2009, half said they’d switch.” http://community.zdnet.co.uk/blog/… Apr 16 09:54
MinceR so they use their mouthpiece known as zdnet to start saying the opposite Apr 16 09:54
schestowitz MinceR: they have said this for ages Apr 16 09:54
schestowitz Linux plays for another rule and zeroes Microsoft’s profits Apr 16 09:54
schestowitz And it’s NOT just for desktops, either. It runs everything and big companies from oracle to IBM and Google use it. Apr 16 09:55
MinceR i know but it might be unwise to reveal who one fears most Apr 16 09:55
schestowitz New great-lookin’ phone runs Linux: http://i.gizmodo.com/5213358/the-veriz… (PIC inside) Apr 16 09:56
schestowitz MinceR: yes, true that too. BUT… this was said repeatedly by several executives. Apr 16 09:57
schestowitz ALSO.. Apr 16 09:57
schestowitz Watch quarterly report Apr 16 09:57
schestowitz They could be sued for deceiving investors Apr 16 09:57
schestowitz Therein they admit that Linux is their headache Apr 16 09:57
schestowitz Does this page render for you? I get blank. http://www.webmonkey.com/blog/Three… Apr 16 09:58
schestowitz Yuck. View page source. SO many blank parts Apr 16 10:00
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MinceR the content doesn’t appear Apr 16 10:01
schestowitz Alcatel uses Linux while suing Microsoft for patent infringement: http://www.internetnews.com/in… Apr 16 10:01
schestowitz sjvn: “Windows like the dinosaurs is much slower than the quick and clever Linux mammals.” http://blogs.computerworld.com/the… Apr 16 10:01
DaemonFC I dug up an old copy of Windows Server 2003 x64 to play with Apr 16 10:01
DaemonFC :P Apr 16 10:01
MinceR ew Apr 16 10:02
schestowitz Does it come with Solitaire Apr 16 10:02
DaemonFC it’s wonderful to be able to copy stuff and take it home :P Apr 16 10:02
DaemonFC sure does Apr 16 10:02
MinceR of course it does Apr 16 10:02
DaemonFC B-) Apr 16 10:02
schestowitz I heard that Microsoft’s [S]erver comes with Media Player too Apr 16 10:02
MinceR MCSE-s have to be able to use their hard earned knowledge, after all Apr 16 10:02
DaemonFC yes it does Apr 16 10:02
MinceR so Minesweeper and Solitaire are a must Apr 16 10:02
schestowitz So there was this joke, “what for?” For admins to listen to music while cleaning viruses and defragging? Apr 16 10:02
DaemonFC -DaemonFC- VERSION xchat 2.8.7e Windows 5.2 Apr 16 10:03
DaemonFC :P Apr 16 10:03
MinceR windows server is for m$ fanboys who run it on their desktops too and lie to themselves that it’s stable Apr 16 10:03
MinceR because it’s omfg server Apr 16 10:03
DaemonFC it’s stable enough Apr 16 10:03
DaemonFC the problem is drivers Apr 16 10:03
DaemonFC sometimes drivers marked Vista x64 or Windows 7 x64 will work Apr 16 10:04
zer0c00l just-because-its-open-source-doesnt mean its open, google blocks cupcake users from android market: http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2009… Apr 16 10:04
DaemonFC other times you have to modify the INF file so that it will install Apr 16 10:04
zer0c00l anyone knows whats the story behind? Apr 16 10:04
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DaemonFC but I did manage to get it down to 0 unrecognized devices Apr 16 10:04
DaemonFC after several hours Apr 16 10:05
DaemonFC and using drivers meant for three different versions of Windows Apr 16 10:05
DaemonFC :P Apr 16 10:05
schestowitz zer0c00l: yes, that’s GOOG Apr 16 10:05
MinceR they made it clear already that if you want control, you’d better avoid android market Apr 16 10:05
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MinceR but at least you can, without jailbreaking Apr 16 10:05
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MinceR unlike the jesusPhone Apr 16 10:05
DaemonFC I made a partition for this so that my TV tuner card will work and I can stream my webcam on Ustream mainly Apr 16 10:06
DaemonFC :P Apr 16 10:06
DaemonFC I’m not comfortable even having this on my system really :P Apr 16 10:06
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DaemonFC everytime I figure out how to make something work I immediately back it up in a folder of macgyvered drivers Apr 16 10:07
DaemonFC in case I need to reinstall :P Apr 16 10:07
DaemonFC I tend to get arm twisted into upgrading when I just cannot possibly use what I have any longer Apr 16 10:09
DaemonFC :P Apr 16 10:09
DaemonFC schestowitz: Did you know Windows 95 OSR 2 could be made to do 1680 x 1050 display output? Apr 16 10:10
DaemonFC :) Apr 16 10:10
schestowitz DaemonFC: http://boycottnovell.com/2009/04/16/… I liked how he put it in terms that laymen can understand, using farming and music analogies. Apr 16 10:10
schestowitz Windows 95: Shut me Down Apr 16 10:11
schestowitz [But start me Up first] Apr 16 10:11
schestowitz In Windows, you have to start in order to finish Apr 16 10:11
MinceR you start the shutdown Apr 16 10:12
MinceR and if you’re lucky, eventually it will finish Apr 16 10:12
schestowitz Well, at least you know where $6BN in R&D goes… Apr 16 10:12
MinceR on xp, this can take ages, of course Apr 16 10:12
schestowitz brainfarts Apr 16 10:12
MinceR R&D is probably just another code for Marketing there Apr 16 10:12
schestowitz MinceR: when I used Windows 98 it would sometimes not finish Apr 16 10:12
DaemonFC I don’t know, on a purely technical level, if you have to use anything from MS, it should be their business stuff Apr 16 10:12
schestowitz It was a known bug IIRC Apr 16 10:12
schestowitz Sometimes shutdown would not complete Apr 16 10:12
DaemonFC it does at least tend to be less crap Apr 16 10:12
schestowitz So you have to power down at the mains, risking loss Apr 16 10:13
schestowitz MinceR: R&D IS a marketing term Apr 16 10:13
schestowitz Another is innovation Apr 16 10:13
schestowitz I’d show you Talking Points memos Apr 16 10:13
schestowitz They are instructed to use these words Apr 16 10:13
schestowitz And stupid FrausStreet investor are impressed by such words Apr 16 10:14
MinceR :) Apr 16 10:14
zer0c00l :P Apr 16 10:14
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schestowitz Another such word is “Lebs” Apr 16 10:14
schestowitz *Labs” Apr 16 10:14
schestowitz be careful when you see the word. Apr 16 10:14
schestowitz Like Adobe L:abs or Mozilla Labs Apr 16 10:14
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zer0c00l schestowitz, when do they use Apr 16 10:15
zer0c00l ok Apr 16 10:15
schestowitz Labs = some guy wanking in a cubicle Apr 16 10:15
schestowitz “Ah! yes, I can add a tickbox … RIGHT HERE! YES. Innova~1″ Apr 16 10:15
schestowitz eWeek says “labs” Apr 16 10:15
schestowitz Or benchmark Apr 16 10:15
DaemonFC I’ve never really seen Microsoft out in front designing a better user interface Apr 16 10:15
schestowitz Some authors too… talking about their “lab” Apr 16 10:16
schestowitz Probably sitting there in a garage with a CRT Apr 16 10:16
DaemonFC even though they like to beat their chest everytime they switch things around for absolutely no reason Apr 16 10:16
DaemonFC that frustrates me anyway, cause I have to stop and relearn exactly how the new Windows works and where things are Apr 16 10:17
DaemonFC before I even know where the document I just saved is Apr 16 10:17
DaemonFC :P Apr 16 10:17
DaemonFC schestowitz: But every GUI seems to be doing this to just try to differentiate themselves from everyone else Apr 16 10:18
schestowitz GOTCHA! EU takes UK to court over Phorm snooping trials < http://www.itwire.com/content/… >. They should imprison one of the few criminals in-between the UK government, BT, and Phorm Apr 16 10:19
schestowitz The whole thing is white-collar crime for surveillance Apr 16 10:19
schestowitz DaemonFC: case of point: MSO07 Apr 16 10:20
schestowitz Change GUI for the sake of it… Apr 16 10:20
DaemonFC Office is even worse Apr 16 10:20
DaemonFC but you really don’t need Office Apr 16 10:20
DaemonFC Go-OO is compatible with enough of their formats to avoid buying MS Office Apr 16 10:20
schestowitz http://blogs.zdnet.com/micro… Zune is dead.. Apr 16 10:21
schestowitz Go-OO has nothing that’s not in OOo, format-wise Apr 16 10:21
schestowitz The ‘translator’ was used by Microsoft to promote MOOX Apr 16 10:21
schestowitz That would be part of the Novell agreement with Microsoft Apr 16 10:22
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DaemonFC What did he mean not going to let him tell them more? Apr 16 10:26
DaemonFC Does he mean you can be arrested for saying that you disagree with the EU? Apr 16 10:27
schestowitz More Linux: http://www.slipperybrick.com/2009/04… (Aware A-View netbook with detachable screen, only $150) Apr 16 10:28
schestowitz DaemonFC: no, it’s a democracy Apr 16 10:28
schestowitz Had there not been legal resistance, then people above would get away with anything/ Apr 16 10:28
DaemonFC hmmm, my logitech software saves to Windows Media Apr 16 10:29
*DaemonFC pukes Apr 16 10:29
schestowitz Oh wait Apr 16 10:29
schestowitz Are we talking about Phorm or SW patents here? Apr 16 10:29
DaemonFC Stallman’s speech Apr 16 10:29
schestowitz Logitech is close to MS AFAIK Apr 16 10:29
schestowitz MS was gonna buy them Apr 16 10:29
schestowitz There were only rumours though Apr 16 10:29
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schestowitz Logitech does not support Linux really Apr 16 10:29
DaemonFC Microsoft makes their own cams Apr 16 10:29
schestowitz Though I wonder, was it THEIR keyboatd that used Linux? Apr 16 10:29
schestowitz Let me check Apr 16 10:30
DaemonFC and the generic UVC driver works in Linux for this cam Apr 16 10:30
DaemonFC it’s just that most web applets that access it don’t Apr 16 10:30
DaemonFC Flash problems Apr 16 10:30
schestowitz Ah! Apr 16 10:30
schestowitz http://dvice.com/archives/2009/… Apr 16 10:30
MinceR at least logitech peripherals don’t need special drivers to work Apr 16 10:30
schestowitz “It actually has a mini Linux computer inside, letting you watch internet video or place widgets on that wee screen, front and center and tiltable for your viewing pleasure.” Apr 16 10:30
schestowitz So Logitech now uses embedded Linux Apr 16 10:30
schestowitz GREAT! Apr 16 10:30
MinceR i’ve heard of a m$ keyboard where the scroll wheel didn’t even send scancodes for one direction if you didn’t use the driver Apr 16 10:30
DaemonFC My Microsoft keyboard works in Linux, even the special buttons :P Apr 16 10:31
schestowitz MinceR: I had a Logitech mouse Apr 16 10:31
schestowitz Very good Apr 16 10:31
schestowitz I mean, here at home Apr 16 10:31
schestowitz The scroller went titsup last month Apr 16 10:31
MinceR i have several logitech mice and two logitech keyboards Apr 16 10:31
schestowitz So now I used another mouse Apr 16 10:31
MinceR also, my work machine has a logitech mouse and keyboard Apr 16 10:31
schestowitz Logitech doesn’t last me long… not even at work (same story) Apr 16 10:31
schestowitz Mechanical issues Apr 16 10:31
MinceR none of my slim keyboards last long, i’m trying a Logitech Ultra-Flat now Apr 16 10:32
DaemonFC Even when I used Windows daily I avoided Windows Media Apr 16 10:32
MinceR if this doesn’t last either, i’ll go back to my Internet Navigator SE Apr 16 10:32
MinceR which is non-slim Apr 16 10:32
DaemonFC it’s just very bad quality if nothing else Apr 16 10:32
DaemonFC Someone had Ubuntu on the Windows Marketplace at one point Apr 16 10:34
schestowitz Linux Works Even When Your PC is Committing Suicide < http://www.linuxplanet.com/linuxp… Apr 16 10:34
DaemonFC took MS a few days to take it down Apr 16 10:34
schestowitz Yes, been on Digg Apr 16 10:34
DaemonFC hmmm, I may buy Oblivion: GOTY Apr 16 10:35
DaemonFC they use SecuROM on that though so there’s a whole howto about getting it installed in Wine :P Apr 16 10:35
DaemonFC the funny thing was they released the original game with no copy protection then it got on torrent sites….. Apr 16 10:36
DaemonFC so they paid Sony for Securom and sold this version Apr 16 10:36
DaemonFC which got on torrent sites Apr 16 10:36
DaemonFC :) Apr 16 10:36
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DaemonFC I’ll probably just build my next system Apr 16 10:38
MinceR when will they learn? Apr 16 10:38
DaemonFC reason I bought this whole was cause it was a refurb Apr 16 10:38
DaemonFC MinceR: They haven;t so far and back in the 80s I was using code wheels to align the runes to form the password Apr 16 10:38
DaemonFC so I could load Dungeons & Dragons Apr 16 10:38
DaemonFC :P Apr 16 10:38
oiaohm I am currently in a real MS hating mood. Apr 16 10:39
oiaohm On company I have been working with has split in two.   So now all volume licence disks have to be returned and new disks issued to both new companies and all machines re licenced acordaly. Apr 16 10:40
oiaohm On/One Apr 16 10:40
schestowitz No redistribution? Apr 16 10:41
DaemonFC that’s funny Apr 16 10:42
oiaohm Rules of volume licences schestowitz Apr 16 10:43
oiaohm They sux. Apr 16 10:43
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schestowitz AIG is busy robbing  (what’s left in) the United States: http://www.prwatch.org/node/8340 “House Democrats are investigating American International Group Inc.’s role in a campaign to discredit its former chairman and chief executive officer, Maurice ‘Hank’ Greenberg, in the wake of federal bailouts to the insurance company totaling $182.5 billion,” reports Bloomberg. Apr 16 10:47
DaemonFC hmmmm Apr 16 10:47
DaemonFC this DVR software actually works pretty well Apr 16 10:47
schestowitz oiaohm: yes, I jokes about redistribution. How hard can it be to copy 0s and 1s? Apr 16 10:48
oiaohm Fun but is the old licence keys can be deactivated in 30 days. Apr 16 10:48
DaemonFC hmmm Apr 16 10:49
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DaemonFC Windows Media Player can’t playback the audio track Apr 16 10:49
DaemonFC :P Apr 16 10:49
*amarsh04 made the mistake of restarting kdm whilst in kde Apr 16 10:51
schestowitz More crime in the US: http://www.eagletribune.com/punews/… Apr 16 10:51
oiaohm Ok not the worse. Apr 16 10:51
schestowitz Like Microsoft’s letters from the dead. Apr 16 10:51
oiaohm Here is the stupid part about all this. Apr 16 10:52
schestowitz If the state functioned, Dewey Square Group would be sentenced to PRISON Apr 16 10:52
oiaohm I am now setting up Linux backup servers for the Windows Servers that might not have a licience in time. Apr 16 10:52
schestowitz [Along with those funding it, inc. Microsoft] Apr 16 10:52
oiaohm I am not sure If I should be praying for Ms failure right now. Apr 16 10:53
schestowitz http://www.prwatch.org/node/8335 “Despite Barack Obama’s bold rhetoric on global warming, the administration is pursuing a more timid line both domestically and in international negotiations leading to the COP15 conference in Copenhagen in December. “ Apr 16 10:54
DaemonFC oiaohm: So Microsoft’s volume licensing is forcing some pause to try Linux Apr 16 10:54
DaemonFC ironic Apr 16 10:54
DaemonFC hehe Apr 16 10:54
schestowitz oiaohm: no need to pray Apr 16 10:54
schestowitz It happens naturally Apr 16 10:54
DaemonFC schestowitz: I need to find a cracked uxtheme.dll so I can use unsigned solor themes :P Apr 16 10:55
DaemonFC *color Apr 16 10:55
DaemonFC That’s really all the $20 StyleXP program does Apr 16 10:55
DaemonFC MS gets a cut of the license fees so you can use extra themes Apr 16 10:55
oiaohm Remember I said some day my live gets warped. Apr 16 11:01
oiaohm Today is one of those days. Apr 16 11:01
DaemonFC hmmm, Deluge is on Windows Apr 16 11:01
oiaohm You would think common sence work work. Apr 16 11:01
oiaohm But not they are Microsoft. Apr 16 11:01
oiaohm Ie send out the new sets of volume licience then after than de issue. Apr 16 11:02
DaemonFC oiaohm: You have to be careful about downloading updates when that version of Windows is in Extended Support Apr 16 11:02
DaemonFC sometimes they cause infuriating bugs on purpose that were never there before Apr 16 11:02
DaemonFC to pester you into “upgrading” Apr 16 11:02
oiaohm Turns out MS WSUS server basically filters that Apr 16 11:02
oiaohm Something I wish would work on Linux. Apr 16 11:03
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schestowitz Novell is happy about Mono, so it must be good, right? http://boycottnovell.com/2009/04/1… Apr 16 11:23
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schestowitz oiaohm: Here is your friendly neighbour, Microsoft: http://boycottnovell.com/2009/04/16… Apr 16 11:30
MinceR your Friendly Neighborhood Microsoft-Man? Apr 16 11:34
schestowitz Unclew Bill givva you some candy Apr 16 11:35
MinceR and uncle steve, too Apr 16 11:36
schestowitz Fester?? No way. Apr 16 11:36
schestowitz I don’t like it when FOSS sites concentrate on cannibalisation in the Linux market :-( http://ostatic.com/blog/how-will-nove… Apr 16 11:38
schestowitz Speaking of which, Novell already has the Microsoft channels (and MSDeIcaza has Channel 9). They don’t need Red Hat’s ISVs and channel partners. Apr 16 11:39
MinceR nah, Fester is nowhere as creepy as the m$ family Apr 16 11:39
schestowitz Microsoft is selling Ballnux vouchers (which it calls “patent royalties”, I kid you not). Apr 16 11:40
schestowitz Some people laked stories to me. Apr 16 11:40
schestowitz Microsoft is trying to pollute Linux with patents.. Apr 16 11:40
zoobab01 sure Apr 16 11:41
zoobab01 that’s why the Linux guys are so weak when it comes to fight swpats Apr 16 11:41
schestowitz Coverage for Ken: http://ostatic.com/blog/why-isnt-open-… Apr 16 11:41
schestowitz zoobab01: they are in deniakl Apr 16 11:42
schestowitz Other examples: “I don’t worry about the trillion in debt because look, I still get my wage”; “global warming is not an issue because some ‘scientists’ say it’s exaggerated and Gore has a funny face”… Apr 16 11:43
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_Hicham_ Hi oiaohm Apr 16 11:48
oiaohm Hi _Hicham_ Apr 16 11:48
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