06.25.10

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If Ardour Chooses Not to Support Windows, Microsoft Might Do It

Posted in Free/Libre Software, GNU/Linux, Microsoft, Windows at 11:00 am by Dr. Roy Schestowitz

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Summary: Illustration of Microsoft as stern advocate of Windows, porting to it Free/libre applications that wish to run on a Free platform

WE HAVE JUST been informed that a Microsoft employee called Bruno Barba Venturi wants to port Ardour to Windows. For reasons that Ardour explained some months ago, it wishes not to support Microsoft Windows, just GNU/Linux and Mac OS X (maybe because of its UNIX slant).

Microsoft is a Windows company. It only supports Free software when it serves its proprietary stack. That, for example, is what CodePlex is all about. Sam Dean wrote about CodePlex in response to Moody’s report which we mentioned yesterday. People ought to realise that CodePlex advocates proprietary software such as Windows, SQL Server, SharePoint, Office, and so on. It does not deserve coverage from Open Source-oriented Web sites (at least those which are true to their focus).

“I would love to see all open source innovation happen on top of Windows.”

Steve Ballmer, Microsoft CEO

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8 Comments

  1. dyfet said,

    June 25, 2010 at 11:50 am

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    Since the audio is a rather long listen, there is a much shorter answer I found published here from Paul:

    http://ardour.org/node/517

    “…well, there is a windows version. but its not ready for general use yet.

    second, you seem to assume that the crowd we would get from there being a windows version is a desirable thing. many other *nix open source projects have been overwhelmed when they have ported to windows – a huge, sudden influx of users with zero background in software development, and no infrastructure to offer them support. we don’t want to end up in that situation.

    when the windows version is ready, and when we can feasibly support windows users, we will announce it…”

    Dr. Roy Schestowitz Reply:

    That’s different from what they said on the show 3 years later.

    dyfet Reply:

    The show was too long to listen to, and was in mp3 :(. I was simply looking for a summary to suggest. Now I am very curious what was said….

    Dr. Roy Schestowitz Reply:

    The explanation of this was long and might be worth transcribing.

    saulgoode Reply:

    @dyfet,

    For the most part Paul Davis echoes the sentiments presented by Bryce Harrington, which were summarized by Carla Schroeder in the following Linux Today editorial:

    http://blog.linuxtoday.com/blog/2008/08/httpbryceharrin.html

  2. dyfet said,

    June 25, 2010 at 6:01 pm

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    Ah, it took over halfway to get to it, but yes, I have to agree with the essential point also. Microsoft windows users are hard to support because the platform is hard to support, and one does not want to be in the role of supporting the platform rather than the package. Part of this I think relates to a lack of community (in Microsoft user products), and commercial vendors who deceive and abuse their users, so it seems natural people would seek help anywhere it seems offered, and yes, this swamps everyone with unrelated issues from a defective platform. Maybe they would do better to get together as a class action against their source of abuse ;).

    In any case, I never worried about popularity as a goal with my own packages; I am concerned with freedom. Popularity can be a consequence of offering freedom, but it is never the purpose in doing so.

    Dr. Roy Schestowitz Reply:

    Yes, a triumph for Free software is users being able to do *everything* without proprietary software (if they wish to).

  3. Needs Sunlight said,

    June 26, 2010 at 7:53 am

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    Fine, as long as he stays out of the way and the other project members don’t let him either interfere, speak or check in code. He’s gotten too much press already.

    A more appropriate path would be to get Windows users to upgrade to Fedora or OS X. That also helps clean up the net for the rest of us, with fewer Windows Chernobyls out there making botnets.

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