09.02.11
Gemini version available ♊︎Apple Allegedly Impersonates Police, Attacks Linux, Finds Support From Its Allies Microsoft and Oracle
Summary: Apple is said to have committed a serious felony by pretending to be police and it is also attacking Linux through the courtroom, much to the chagrin of Microsoft proponents and lobbyists
THE cult which is Apple “will die with steve jobs,” wrote to me someone in Identi.ca two hours ago, after I had posted a link about Apple losing its leadership to Linux (more on that in our daily Links).
The latest disgrace from Apple is this allegation that Apple has again misused police powers that it does not have. To quote:
If accurate, his account raises the possibility that Apple security personnel attempting to recover the prototype falsely represented themselves as police officers — a criminal act punishable by up to a year in jail in the state of California — or that SFPD employees colluding with Apple failed to properly report an extensive search of a person’s home, car, and computer.
A “criminal act”? Don’t worry, cults do that a lot. Ask Scientologists. As TechDirt put it in its headline, “Man Claims Apple Investigators Pretended To Be SF Police In Searching For Lost iPhone Prototype”. Criminal if true, but Apple is never punished for such behaviour, just like it got away with it the previous time (the police typically protects rich corporations from the people, not vice versa). Quoting TechDirt:
Earlier this week, News.com broke a story of yet another Apple employee losing an iPhone prototype in a bar (stop me if you’ve heard this one before…). Unlike the last one, this one (as far as we know) did not get sold to some tech website for a few thousand dollars. However, reports are emerging that raise some serious questions about how Apple went about trying to retrieve the phone.
A man in San Francisco, Sergio Calderon, claims that six people showed up at his door claiming to be San Francisco Police Department officers, and that they had badges. They claimed they were looking for a lost phone, but didn’t say it was a prototype. The original News.com report had said that police together with Apple investigators went to the guy’s house — but the SFPD says they have no record of SFPD being involved in any such action (which it should have if they were involved). The guy whose house was searched says that no one identified themselves as being from Apple. They also threatened him and his family over their immigration status (even though he says they’re all legal). Either way, he was nervous and let them search his house (a mistake) and even check out his computer. They didn’t find anything.
What we cannot help but notice is that many of the pro-Microsoft people have become Apple boosters when it comes to the war on Android. They just cannot stand Linux and Free software, so Apple and Microsoft share common goals. Microsoft’s shameless booster Matt Rosoff continues to promote anti-Linux sides (Rosoff came from a Microsoft consultancy) and the egomaniac pro-Microsoft lobbyist we have all come to know and loathe also quotes Microsoft boosters like Ed Bott in order to make Android/Google/Linux look bad. That one example was just a few hours ago. He does this all day long. They work in unison to daemonise Android and prop up Apple’s case, which by the way has been noticed also by Neil Richards, who writes the column “I Can Sue You, But You Can’t Sue Us: Apple”. To quote:
Apple has sued almost every other company in the mobile industry, in not only US but around the globe. The company also tried to patent a rectangular design claiming monopoly in the tablet segment.
The same company whose ex-CEO quotes “We are shameless about stealing from others.” has sued everyone else over minor similarities in the box of the product, icon design and rectangular shape.
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This is not the first time anti-FOSS bloggers are trying to spin the story. They recently twisted the story of Samsung’s victory in the Dutch court as the victory of Apple diluting the fact that Apple lost its design patents and all other software patents except for one. The court gave Samsung 7 weeks and one day’s time to fix the problem or the injunction will be enforced. Trusted sources like BBC also fell for this trick and covered the defeat of Samsung.
It is interesting to see that such blogger, with no legal expertise, are supporting Apple’s foul cry that Samsung and Motorola are abusing their patents. What they won’t tell us is its Apple which is suing everyone else using software patents.
It’s interesting to see that the same anti-Android lobbyists while support Apple’s ‘right’ to use a broad rectangular design and block everyone else from selling a device, but they criticize competitors when they try to defend themselves using the technologies they actually invented!
We mentioned this yesterday and also this morning. Apple has no shame left. And on the same subject, for those bolstering the anti-Android camp there’s the Oracle case on which Groklaw remarks: “Google’s response is a thorough recitation of the current law of copyright when it comes to analyzing software on the issue of copyright infringement, at least within the 9th Circuit. Google’s strongest arguments are that the JAVA API’s at issue are functional and, thus, not protected by copyright and, to the extent Google has copied anything, the copying has been de minimis, i.e., a few lines of code out of thousands.”
What’s very popular right now among anti-Android lobbyists is to claim copyright-related problems in Android that almost nobody cares about (not even the developers). They try to cause friction and infighting. Some of these people have employment history in Microsoft. We know those tactics. █
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Michael said,
September 2, 2011 at 7:29 pm
Hmmm, so a mere “allegation” is a disgrace to Apple.
I have made many more allegations against you, Roy – and they are much, much better supported. You must feel completely disgraced.
NotZed said,
September 2, 2011 at 8:35 pm
I sure hope ‘michael’ is getting paid per comment.
Michael Reply:
September 2nd, 2011 at 9:07 pm
Nope. I am just an open source advocate (or, really, an informed computing advocate) who had gotten tired of the FUD and hatred from Roy. He makes those of us who truly do appreciate open source projects look bad.
NotZed Reply:
September 3rd, 2011 at 1:05 am
Well you should work on your composition because you sound like someone with an axe to grind against free software in general and Roy in particular. And that’s being generous.
Setting up a site specifically in order to disagree with an individual of the public sounds very much like stalking to me too. If you want to set up a site complaining about how nasty the fsf and free software is, and all the great stuff m$ and apple and are doing to break it’s ungodly hold on the world, then go right ahead, but being a boorish contrarian for the sake of it – on someone else’s site as well – is not doing yourself or your cause any favours.
I don’t know why you go on about Roy being ‘biased’ on your site either – of course he’s biased, he’s trying to advocate his own political points (Surprise! Some of which he shares with many people!). News flash – this site is not an impartial news service and Roy is not a journalist. But he doesn’t pretend to be either, so there should be no expectation of completely unbiased coverage either. The fact he has open comments and open IRC logs allows for free disagreement.
Neither does he claim to find out every possible bit of bad behaviour from every company in existence. He focusses on M$ and Apple because he chooses to, for reasons that he mentions continuously. There is so much going on at the moment he couldn’t possibly hope to comment on all of it even if he wanted to, and there are plenty of other similar advocacy sites on the internet to fill the holes.
And I don’t know what site your reading because i’ve never seen any hate from Roy, at all. Personally I wouldn’t mind a bit of hate and anger (because I think it deserves it), but I realise that would rub a few people the wrong way so I can see it being undesirable here.
You on the other hand seem to have an unexplainable personal vendetta against Roy.
Michael Reply:
September 3rd, 2011 at 1:24 am
What have I said against Free Software? Not a word. As far as being against Roy: I believe OSS is good enough to advocate *honestly* – I think it is bad “advocacy” to lie and spread FUD as he does and actually works against real advocacy.
Why would I want to set up a site “complaining about how nasty the fsf and free software is, and all the great stuff m$ and apple and are doing” when that is not at all in line with my beliefs? If that is what you believe, however, I will look at your site if you wish.
I will agree that Roy allows at least somewhat free disagreements – though he does not respond to the evidence he is wrong. He does allow me to respond here and he has allowed me on his show and has agreed to do so again (date still pending). I respect him for that.
As far as focusing on Apple and MS, he does more than that. He vilifies them for things he directly excuses in others. And he lies about them. It is that dishonesty and that FUD I am against.
As far as Roy’s hatred and anger: he calls people names, he lies about people, he makes up stories, he targets people who work for companies he loathes. Not sure how anyone could not see this. As far as my “vendetta” against Roy – no: I do not want him to lie, but I wish him well and speak well of him and his ideas when he is not acting poorly. He, however, wrongly accuses me – in public – of dishonesty. For example, in reference to videos and images I produced to support my views, Roy said this:
On the show he also said that he had tried KDE. Later it
turned out that he lied because he said he had only judged it
based on videos and/or screenshots.
At first I gave him the full benefit of the doubt – maybe he did not know I had made those media files he claimed I had used to judge KDE. But when he was told this he kept insisting I lied. It was absurd.
Why not ask Roy to either rescind his accusations against me or actually try to back them? If you think he is an honest man he should have no problem with that.
My guess is he will never even try – not even Roy really thinks he is an honest person.
Dr. Roy Schestowitz Reply:
September 3rd, 2011 at 4:05 am
NotZed,
Michael (aka “Snit”) is a stalker and a pathological troll not just on WWW but also in USENET. Even the Mac proponents cannot stand the guy and I suggest you do not feed him as that would lead him to stalking/harassing you too. Here are some of the things people said about Michael (aka “Snit”):
2- Alan Baker: “People’s perceptions of you are *formed* by behaviour and
not withstanding your occasional on topic posts, I wish you’d leave too.
Please note that despite the amazing silliness that is Edwin, I have
never made the same wish of him.” 27 Feb 2005
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/4a7c3ebf3fc10221
3- Andrew J. Brehm: “You are not flamed because you speak the truth, you
are flamed because you are a hideous troll and keep disrupting the
newsgroup.” 27 Feb 2005
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/52eab53a559e00ce
4- AZ Nomad: “The fact that you routinely change your headers to weasel
out of killfiles proves that you’re an asshole.” 25 Jun 2007
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/51b43d6c9613c9da
5- Andy/news/nospam: “Why do you keep these things up, Snit? Why not just
let them go away and show how responsible a member of CSMA you are? You
could show your enemies up by being better than them, rise above the low
level you so obviously dislike. Anything, just stop….” 26 Apr 2007
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/d6ffb6b06aa237e5
6- B.B.: “Does the From: header contain the string “Snit”? If yes, then
troll. Otherwise, maybe. Dunno why I had my KF on you set to expire, but
it’s fixed now.” 13 Mar 2005
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/8a98d179b2ff9578
7- BaJoRi: “You know it, and I know it, and everyone else who has read
your idiocy knows it. I took your statement, showed it to be wrong, then
added even more, just to be a dick and REALLY show you to be a fool. You
need to judiciously snip out pertinent points because you are an
intellectually dwarfed turd-burglar.” 11 Nov 2008
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.vacation.las-vegas/msg/647944511b74b82f
8- bobinnv: “I learned some time ago how much better this group can be if
you kill file Snit. I have never understood why more people don’t do the
same..” 5 Aug 2006
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/0706dbef8ce1f903
9- Bob B.: “This has always been pretty much a free-for-all group, but
since Snit showed up, its become almost impossible to have a decent
discussion about anything. The solution is to NOT REPLY TO SNIT. But for
some reason, some people just can’t stop feeding him.” 27 Dec 2004
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/3d2f1dff196ca190
10- °b° unny: Subject “snit makes me sad”, Text “really actually =:-(”
9 Oct 2004
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/4e31cb49c1e2d432
11- Brian: “LOL, Has anyone ever been more universally hated on the
USENET than Snit? Too bad he craves the hatred and negative attention. We
will read about him in the news some day soon going on a shooting
rampage. Somebody should get the pychopath some help before he VT’s a
bunch of people. 29 May 2007
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/66a89e4f5c89f489
12- buzz off: “Snit is obviously mentally ill, but you and Steve don’t
help. You encourage him to post, which he doesn’t need to do. We would
all be better off if you just ignore him. 17 Nov 2004
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/2ed879f256677548
13- Carlo Coggi: “He must believe he is surrounded by ‘trolls’ … in the
groups he trolls in, that is. I wondered if the idiotrollers like snit
would reply to this thread. Of course, I didn’t see his posts, only your
reply”. 07 Aug 2006 (available only in reply)
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/5ea48f7a84115fd1
14- C Lund: “Snit is not my responsibility. Maybe it’s time for you to
learn how to use your kill-filter. I am assuming, of course, that your
Usenet browser has a kill-filter.” 5 Mar 2005
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/2c390a34b05b24a9
15- cc (COLA): “You are incapable of letting anything go. In fact, I
guarantee you will respond to this post in under 3 hours. Hell, I’d be
surprised if it takes longer than 30 minutes. If I really wanted to, I
could make this little side topic go on forever, because you are a
complete moron who just has to respond to anything written about or to
you, even if it just means repeating yourself.” 1 Feb 2010
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/3712090033411605
16- Chance Furlong: “HPT, Wally, Sandman, C Lund, Steve Carroll and Tim
Adams are not trolls and do not troll. You, on the other hand, are a
troll.” 27 Aug 2009
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/28c267f26965b43f
17- Chris Ahlstrom (COLA): “I try to go more by the contents of the
posts. Although some clowns (e.g. Snit) spew out so much chaff it is not
worth the effort.” 14 Feb 2010
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/8b6a982957c7c9d5
Chris Ahlstrom (COLA): “Actually, many of the advocates are sick to death
of Snit’s never-ending puerile blather about trivialities. The
occasional reasonable conversations are too few and far between.” 6 Mar
2011
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/811326833ba71864
18- Chris Clement: “ugh….geez man…..let it go” 5 Jul 2006
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/ed093996df6547b2
19- chrisv (cola): “No, she called him ‘shit’, and rightly so, for they
way he was so ignominiously birthed into a toilet at the bus depot, and
simply refused to die, despite repeated flushes. It’s now far too late
to *flush* him, but we can still *plonk* him…” 12 Sep 2005
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/18099f8aa067f4a5
20- Code Orange: “Then why post it? What need is there for you to “win”
an argument? They don’t like you, you don’t like them. Why must you keep
this up? What results are you expecting?”
21- CozmicDebris: “I’m done with your three year old games. The archives
show my answers and your inability to process them. Keep posting your
list and proving that you are an idiot troll. I will not address it any
further- you being too stupid to realize and accept that is not my
problem”. 22 Nov 2007
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.cellular.attws/msg/0aa65b7a132dbfe8
22- cshenk: “I happen to believe him over you… and I doubt I’d be the
only person in this ng to do so. You have given people a lot of
‘evidence’ that you are dishonest… as ‘evidenced’ by the quotes
list.” …. “Why stop with Jonas? Why not call the entire list of people
on your quotes list ‘liars’? After all, they have all labeled you a liar,
troll or worse.” 27 Nov 2010
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/909a59de04850ef5
23- Dave Fritzinger: “[snip of stuff I really don't care to read] Snit,
please go away. Get a life, meet a woman, do something, but please,
please, please, GO AWAY!!!!” 2 Jun 2006
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/57bb2fc42ec0f290
24- Dawg Tail: “PC advocates, Mac advocates, Linux advocates. Almost all
of them are making similar claims about Snit. When you have so many
diverse people who share a common perception where do you think the
problem lies? With Snit? Or almost everyone else? The answer doesn’t
require an advanced degree to figure out.” 30 Dec 2004
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/73edac32c3ad530b
25- Donald L McDaniel: “Jesus, snit. You’re a teacher. I thought you knew
what a metaphor was, and could recognize one when it was presented to
you. I guess I had too much confidence in you.” 30 Nov 2006
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/3254ec7af27bfb0f
26- ed: “snit, you continually amaze me with how much of a liar and loser
you are. you may notice a semi-regular pattern with me where i stop
responding to your posts for stretches at a time, then start up
responding as if you were a normal person. i suppose it’s tough for the
magnitude of your ‘loserdom’ to stick, so it loses some of it’s sharpness
when i stop responding to you. you almost always start responding back in
a semi normal way, but inevitably degenerate. it’s once again that time.
i can only ask that you pass my condolences to your wife and unborn child
for having to put up with such a dishonest fool as yourself. (well, if
your wife is a loser as well, just pass those condolences to the rug-rat
to be; if not, double condolences to her). ” 30 Apr 2005
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/71f74dd6d806ce77
27- Edward Stanfield: “Snit thinks the rules that apply to honest and
honorable people apply to him. That is absurd. He is the biggest liar
in Usenet history. Mackay posted the email to prove Snit was using sock
puppets and he still is. Snit can not give up his socks puppets and
shills. They are the only ones who ever support him.” 28 Jan 2009
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/5b52494d96d12229
28- Edwin: “You’ve got to be out of your mind, Snit. You’re the worst
troll this group has ever seen. You’re a liar and a forger, and you’ve
almost destroyed this group single-handedly. For you to post a list of
out of context arguments, and lies, and forgeries about your enemies
labled as a “peace effort” has to be one of the craziest stunts you’ve
pulled. It’s all about your sick need for attention, your need to be
center stage at all times. You’d publicly eat dog turd if you thought it
would make people look at you.” 18 May 2007
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/37e4a720619642a0
29- Elijah Baley: “Seriously, Snit, you need psychiatric help. Go see a
doctor.” 24 Aug 2006
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/6f6c88356b54fc15
30- Elizabot v2.0.2: “I see you were unable to respond to the points in
my post and you are back to your repetitious regurgitation mode. How
childishly typical of you, Snit.” 16 Nov 2004
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/55214ccfb7414fe5
31- Fa-groon: “I don’t read Snit period. He’s been killfiled since the
first day I posted here. [....] I don’t want to ‘do like Snit’. As far as
I’m concerned, Snit doesn’t even exist.” 15 Aug 2009
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/dcfbff305ba8b7f0
32- fibercut: “That is the problem. In the years I have been coming to
CSMA I have seen in the past year a real hatred among people, besides the
typical Mac vs. Windows typical argument. I feel that it is like being in
a room of really young children trying there best to best the other
person. The one common thing among all of this seems to be you. I hate to
be like this, but facts are facts. You seem to be in the middle of a
great percentage of arguments. CSMA has become less about Macs and more
about “look everybody, I think he lied”. Is there no end then all this
picking at each other on such a personal level. CSMA has always been al
little adversarial but you have personally crank it up to the point that
this place is no longer fun. Congratulations on stopping CSMA and making
this place your own personal circus.” 12 Jan 2006
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/bbe695bbc3424ab6
33- Geezer:
Snit: “Steve Carroll has no sense of morality”
Geezer: “Whined the guy who cannot directly address those who uncover his
lies and deceit;)”
Snit: “and no clue about the law.”
Geezer: ‘Said the guy who believes his unsupported opinions are “proof”.
LOL! (snip more of Snit’s unsupported lies)’ 1 Jan 2009
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/d0517ced5134934d
34- Geoff M. Fitton (COLA): “The Prescott Computer Guy *still* showing
how stupid he is… What a mar00n”. 30 Aug 2008
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/f9401b4b57c59865
35- George Graves: “Jason. You have started an argument with the Snit
(AKA Michael Glasser), this should not be done. He will drive you crazy
with his twisted logic, his deep-rooted need to be ALWAYS right at any
cost. He will move goalposts, set up strawmen, and bore you into
submission with his endless pedanticism. The only way to engage him is to
hit and run. NEVER engage him, it’s a futile, empty procedure that will
only anger you and feed him. Take my advice and STAY AWAY!” 27 Oct 2004
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/3d3af33ce25a11fd
36- gimme_this_gimme_that: “Hitting the vodka tonight Snit?” 4 Mar 2007
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/b457a7b378264794
37- Glenn Hall (COLA): “That person is like a constantly running toilet
that won’t stop. Does he ever stop talking about UI consistency? No
matter what anyone replies, he adds a few more branches to the spider web
as it grows and grows. It’s a waste of time.” 31 Oct 2010
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/c8dd8a244fe1eb2c
38- Greycloud: “You really shouldn’t lie like that. Everyone else notices
that you are not honest and you have no honor.” 21 Jan 2006
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/3b92f11a1ab00f91
39- H: “Your crappy posts are still showing up in seperate threads, are
you doing this on purpose to piss people off? I dont ever censor people
cause that’s just retarded but if you dont fix it I’m gonna have to cause
I dont wanna see your name 40 times in a row. So uh, change your client
or something”. 12 Sep 2004
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/f36ee6b458c86499
40- Hadron (COLA): “Would you please stop the whining. FFS he has you
jumping to his every post. How many more fucking times are you going to
post the same repetitive garbage? Please ..at least change the record
sometimes!!!!!!!” 13 Aug 2010
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/1e0ecbb776623473
41- Henry Flam: “You on the other hand must be a deeply troubled
individual who has a fragile ego. I needn’t agree nor disagree with the
points above. I don’t care about them. Your constant complaints, whines,
rages, etc., wars with the regular Mac advocates, whom you mislabel as
trolls, arise from your sense that any conversation or thread must orbit
around you. People have pointed that out to you but you don’t accept
that. Snit I feel sorry for you. Please go and see a doctor about your
solipsism. There must be a cure for you deep psychological travail.” 18
Aug 2006
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/b9bb48e6e6da75c8
42- Heywood Mogroot: “*plonk*” Aug 19 2004
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/d8afd909a308b97f
43- -hh: ‘Perversion has utterly nothing to do with the definition of
“synonymous”. It is, however, a very clear example of how you attempt to
maliciously debase against anyone who disagrees with you. As such, I
consider this to be a purposeful attempt by you to try to libel me. This
is your only warning to consider rescinding your remark, with the
reminder that you, and you alone are responsible for that accusation,
both in the ethical as well as the full legal meaning of the word
“responsible”.’ 25 Feb 2008
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/5496641a3426293a
44- High Plains Thumper: “Agreed except for Snit and socks (Joe Crump and
ad nauseum). I’ve got Snit kill binned, because he is the classic ad
hominem troll. At first he seems reasonable, but then it always degrades
into name calling bullying, the responder is a liar, etc. AKA the Snit
Circus of Pathological Lies. Perhaps the times he seems reasonable are
when he is properly controlled by medication.” 21 Sep 2010
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/249a598ec5aafe85
45- Homer (COLA): “I don’t mean this as a personal insult, but I’m
perfectly serious when I say ‘Snit’ (Michael Glasser) is obviously
mentally ill, and needs help. I was going to suggest that someone alerts
his wife to the problem, but I have to assume she’s already aware of his
condition, if she is in fact still living with him. It’s possible, I
suppose, that he’s already undergoing counselling and/or on medication,
but if he is then it doesn’t seem to be helping much. Maybe he just
missed his ‘meds’ today (again, I mean that sincerely).” 26 Jan 2009
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/e061874ea94e9ce8
Homer: “Word of advice for anyone concerned: don’t be tempted to get
drawn into a Snit circus, it’s literally a waste of time. He’s just an
attention seeker who’ll keep stringing you along, in a never-ending
circle of obtuse questions, for which he has no genuine interest in the
answers.” 14 Oct 2010
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/0d06eb2e900e3058
46- hophead: “I have been reading and occasionally posting to CSMA for a
long time now, since 1995 at least. There have always been trolls and
morons, but I’ve never seen anything quite so disruptive as the Snit
circus. Snit will *never* back down or stop, and neither will most of his
opponents. A good kill file is your only hope.” 20 Aug 2009
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/3161a78667e299eb
47- Jamie Hart (cola): “It seems that since you are unable to offer
support for your statements, you’re reduced to personal attacks on me.
Incidentally, anyone reading this post can see that I have offered no
straw men, and have only asked you to explain how the things you state as
facts can be true. I’m really sorry that you’re taking this attitude, the
topic is an interesting one and I thought you might have some insights.
I’ve snipped the rest, since you dislike long posts and avoid answering
any of the questions I asked by saying everything was just repeated.” 6
Dec 2006
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/8e07cde31f4eecf6
48- Jason McNorton: “You’re one of the many, many paranoid people on
usenet that should be confined most likely. You sit there and refresh
your screen endlessly. You post the same nonsense over and over. Either
you’re a super troll, or you’re a super mess.” 1 Nov 2004
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/7a8e091c0b248eb0
49- JEDIDIAH (cola): “You’re simply full of shit.” 27 Feb 2006
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/cdddf5fd04d9afcb
50- Jeff B.: “Yo, Snit. We’re not pals. I think you’re a git.” 23 Dec
2005
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/0ec649345d433a2d
51- Jeff Hoppe: “This is a Macintosh Advocacy newsgroup. Not a 12-step
recovery plan. Your medical problems or conditions won’t help me achieve
a greater understanding of my Mac. In fact, it detracts from it and those
kinds of discussions have no place in a newsgroup such as this.” 18 Nov
2004
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/947a2cc0301a2862
52- Jesus: “Really, Snit. It’s annoying. What are you accomplishing
besides being annoying? Is that your goal?” 25 Apr 2007
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/e3d5029d34cde243
53- Jim Lee Jr.: “Snit, read the thread’s title, is Bush mentioned in it?
You (and Carroll) ought to learn to stay on topic and not hijack threads.”
54- Jim Polaski: “Why is it that nearly every thread you’re involved in
seems like it turns into some tit-for-tat, dozens of responses to OT
things and garbage? Cmon there Snit. Someone has to take the lead and
stop this crap. Try. How about it?” 25 Apr 2006
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/5b5c22490ab9649b
55- Jim Richardson (cola): “And yet again, Snit runs away, rather than
actually provide evidence for his claims. Par for the course I suppose.”
“Evasion noted. Snit runs away again rather than produce evidence for his
claims. At least come up with some original insults Snit! I mean, you
*are* capable of original thoughts! Right? Snit?” 8 Feb 2008
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/e33321cc3343fc44
56- Joey Jojo Junior Shabadoo: “and Snithead has even farther to fall -
in a few weeks he’ll be out on the street after midnight, yelling at
passersby ‘sucky sucky, $2…’” 23 Mar 2005
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/57cf69f66571a5a7
57- John C. Randolph: “You’re nothing but a troll yourself. What are you
bitching about?” 1 Dec 2005
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/12ba528be5ad2665
58- JohnOfArc (cola): “I’m not sure “troll” does it justice- more like a
black hole! But hey, if we all promise to never again even entertain an
unkind thought re Apple, will you take it back and lock it up? Please??”
11 Mar 2005
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/e2891b1f3984e121
59- John Q. Public: “I have not been bothered to read Snit’s postings
since I figured out who he is. I don’t bother to filter his posts, I just
consider the source and skip to the next one when I see his name.” 7 Jan
2004
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/7d34c1bd05c877d2
60- John Slade: “I don’t get posts from Snit. I wouldn’t be shocked that
he has some kind of disorder. He made up stuff about being a computer
repairman and teacher. He’s just plain loony and best ignored. Let him
deal with his disorder by medication. He’s here to do one thing, get
attention from people. He says the crazy stuff just to get a reaction.
You say you like to beat him over the head. Well that’s what he’s
counting on, he says stuff he knows isn’t true in hopes to get a rise out
of people like you. Ignore him, you won’t regret it.” 3 Apr 2007
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/394a53a65c28d314
John Slade: “Snit, you have a enough problems as it is without adding
drinking booze to the list. How the hell did you manage to get out of my
killfile? Oh well back into the cage you go, PLONK.” 13 Oct 2007
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.food.wine/msg/992a796786a541d8
61- Josh McKee: “I have no strawman so therefore it has to be in your
mind. …. What is obnoxious are your posts.” 26 Jul 2006
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/3665b9e002d27c44
62- K E: “I haven’t read this board for awhile but I see that even though
the trolls still roam free at least the worst troll of the lot is mostly
being ignored by readers on this bb. If the few stragglers that keep
replying to him would just stop responding to Snit at all this place
could be worth coming back to. There’s a good chance he’ll pack up and
take his trolling to more fertile ground.” 22 Oct 2006
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/0b9dca7df1f677f4
63- KK: ‘Whoa there, ad hominem man. You started off your sentence with
“Ah” like you’d just realized something profound.’ 29 Oct 2008
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.fan.howard-stern/msg/6a89029a5b5be5f8
64- Kelsey Bjarnason (cola): “Funny how you simply don’t bother reading
the posts that rip your entire thesis to bleeding gobbets of putrid
excrescence. Maybe some day you’ll learn how to support your position,
instead of sticking your fingers in your ears and humming, hoping it’ll
all go away.” 7 Mar 2006
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/96d064a7a5c6074a
65- Ku Karlovsky (cola): “You repeatedly chastise others for ad hominem
attacks while in the same sentence make your own ad hominem attacks. You
make silly claims and then avoid the subject of your silliness. You’re a
liar and a hypocrite and you always have been.” 14 Jul 2005
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/d1e3f9ac5c72c6ee
66- Lars Trager: “Yes, you are stupid.” 7 Jan 2006
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/a9bedf6689f9a54f
67- Lawrence D’Oliveiro (COLA): “You seem to be full of complaints about
your inability to hold up your end
of the argument, aren?t you?” 16 Mar 2011
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/8ca5f48099696228
68- Lefty Bigfoot: “Okay, I tried to put up with it for a long time, but
the few times you post something worth reading just aren’t worth it
anymore. *plonk*” 16 Dec 2006
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/5520adae01120e83
69- Liam Slider (cola): “Maybe he’s responding to the fact you’ve been an
annoying little fuckwit lately. You started out with the pretense of
trying to be fair, but lately all there is from you in COLA is trashtalk
about Linux and you acting every bit the troll.” 16 Jul 2005
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/ad7d6c42c5e4cf2f
70-libcrushersmith: “Snit also thinks Dan Rather still anchors CBS News
and that Gitmo terrorists are innocent! Any time Snit is cornered, he
changes the subject and will never admit he’s wrong.” 28 Jan 2009
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/fbc516717f3b7ccf
71- libsnightmare: “You’re a sore loser who has resorted to fifth grade
tactics. How fucking sad – all this clown has left is to edit posts and
post fake bullshit. You can’t debate… so you lie. Once again, you have
proved Steve Carroll right about you. Sad…” 4 May 2009
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/a80c93f80bd6bc3e
72- Linonut (cola): “Snit may be the first retraction of my general
killfile amnesty. The volume of cavilling, whining, foot-stomping, back-
tracking, goal-post shifting, and petulance generated by that effete
candy-ass beggars belief”. 30 Aug 2008
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/cc4827fd7e8ad574
73- Lloyd Parsons: “Well, I don’t know if Oxford is the most cretinous, I
would think that would be reserved for Snit! ;-)” 18 Mar 2005
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/b6cd3ac4bf1e08d6
74- Lewis: “hasn’t this fight been going on for like 8 years now? I don’t
think anything is ever going to fix snit.” 02 Mar 2010
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/98ef8bca6b3a9b34
75- Lusotec (COLA): “You have started threads on this subject many times,
and many times it has been explained to you how X copy & paste should
work and how bugs in a application are not bugs in the system, but still
you return to this subject and post the same false statements.” 09 Mar
2011
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/37032133fbe9db92
76- Marious Barrier (COLA): “I must recognize that it is the first time I
see that kind of troll, once that start asking moderately serious
questions and since the first answer, gradually starts to degenerate it
by, in many failed attempts of being sarcastic, inserting various
indirect insults and calling all people ignorant and unable to answer
what he asks for.” 14 Oct 2010
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/c6607ea64f436821
77- Mark Kent (cola): “The problem with someone like Mr Glasser is the
same as it is with Mr Wong, even if he were to be honest now, it would be
impossible to determine where the honesty starts and the usual dishonesty
ends. In my primary school, one of the teachers was very keen on
proverbs, and I recall her going over the “cry wolf” story. Mr Glasser
could “cry wolf” over and over now, and I would not come to help him with
his sheep, because I do not know any way of determining if he’s ever
telling the truth, or indeed, if he ever has.” 2 Dec 2006
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/3f30aa1b65a972b3
78- Mayor of R’lyeh: “The fact is that he’s probably pulling it to this
post since its all about him and he managed to make me think about him
today. A friend of mine has a toddler. I went over to her house and
videotaped her kid doing a bunch of cute toddler stuff then burned a DVD
of it for her. While we were watching the DVD her kid got mad. He got mad
because we quit making him the center of attention and made that kid on
the tv the center of attention. He even ran up to the tv and tried to
block our view of it. That’s how Snit lives his whole life.” 30 Sep 2006
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/9935f4154d5a290b
79- McGarnagle: “And you know when Snit is endorsed by two of the biggest
nutjobs in AGA – RichL and El Kabong – you know he’s not very bright and
a loon.” 31 Oct 2008
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.guitar.amps/msg/e60a33341bff1309
80- Michelle Ronn: “The real topic here is that one someone refutes your
‘facts’, you run away and ignore them. Refuting your ‘facts’ is easily
done in this case. I did it, and you ignored it.” 9 Feb 2007
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/c050c82720737b32
81- Mike: “Nonsense. I never see you “advocate” anything. All I see you
doing is engage in endless semantic arguments with everyone. You’re the
TholenBot of CSMA. BTW, that’s *not* a compliment!” 8 Jul 2006
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/7c5b72d70b87ffbd
82- Mike Dee: “I will no longer accuse you of lying here. Instead I can
only say that you are a complete and delusional kook that happens to
inhabit CSMA for the time being. That you are unaware of how deranged you
actually behave further reinforces this notion. Please seek professional
help.”
“The point that keeps whooshing over your head Snit, is Elizabot made no
threat to you before you went to the police. She made a promise.
Admittedly, to your delusional spaced out paranoiac view point, Elizabot
was suddenly “threatening” to you. In so much as you had to take your
kooky self down to your local police shop and blub on their shoulders
about how much in danger you were in [sob, whine], and they had to waste
valuable policing time consoling you over your stupidity. I bet they have
Kook with a capital “K” written at the top of your profile, Snit.” 2 Sep
2005
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/9cf45bc88a324f40
83- mmoore321: “Snit is a human car-accident and we are all
rubbernecking. We know it is bad form, but yet strangely curious. Treat
him the same way, look but just keep moving on.” 18 Aug 2006
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/f1c3041d89504c07
84- Mojo: “Actually, these facts piss everybody off because they are off-
topic, unnecessarily confrontational, extremely boring and clearly show
that you are crying out for attention.” 20 Sep 2006
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/a38f07b9a4811a80
85- Mr. Blonde: “Lastly, I can’t help but comment on the fact that your
obsession with Sandman has actually grown since you claimed to KF him.
Killfilling someone generally implies you’re ignoring that person, yet
you piggyback onto virtually every reply to him here and and check his
website’s validation status more often than most people check their e-
mail. These are not the actions of a mentally balanced individual.” 19
Jan 2007
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/2b005666ab303e2b
86- MR_ED_of_Course: “Seriously, spend half a day at any pre-school or
kindergarten and see if the kids there can’t teach you a thing or two
about social behavior.” 16 May 2004
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/55c03a6a0b7813a4
87- Muahman: “Ahhhh shit, another thread lost to the Snit retard
circus!!! I actually dread seeing Snit reply to a thread because that
automatically means it’s in the toilet.” 8 Jul 2009
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/92e776d521dfa701
88- Mutley (AUK): “For the record … I’ll be done when I decide that
there’s more shit on your face than there is on the sole of my shoe.” 01
Nov 2009
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/1802ad3aa000098b
89- Nashton/Nasht0n: “Oh for crying out loud, if I wasn’t convinced that
snit is a total loser, and I rarely call people losers, I certainly am
now. Why bother responding to his stupidities anyway?” 29 Nov 2004
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/be1a326a81441508
90- New Bee: “Honest and honorable? You? You’ve either got a wry sense of
humor, or you’re completely nuts. Either way you’re just a waste of time,
and you’ve done more than anybody to make this group a cesspool. Then you
revel in wallowing in your own filth.” 14 May 2007
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/2856277b085d0274
91- none of your buisiness (COLA): “I am sorry, but I am going to have to
send you to the bin. You’re perpetrating the Snit circus by responding to
all of his assinine posts. He is only here for one reason, to disrupt
this group, & you are helping him, as well as flatfish.” 04 Jan 2011
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/a9b40ce46612fdc4
92- Not Important: “I get this mental image of you and a sibling as
children in the back seat of the family car saying:
Mom, ‘snits’ touching me … and you responding much as you do now …
I’m not touching you, you’re touching me! The problem is that by now you
should’ve grown out of that type of poke and complain interaction with
others. But, of course, you’ve haven’t learned how to interact with
others in a more ‘constructive’ and mutually beneficial manner even
now.” 03 Jul 2007
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/d16279e9003ca8f4
93- notlisted (COLA): “I actually like Apple. But I see you as an
asshole who spends an embarassing percentage of your life posting
derogatory comments about a computer operating system you obviously
detest, and insulting those who defend it in a newsgroup dedicated its
advocacy. That’s almost the definition of being an asshole, and you have
half a dozen buddies who do the same thing. You excuse what you do by
pretending that you’re merely pointing out problems in the hope that the
system will be improved, but that’s an obvious lie whether it’s you
saying it or one of your buds. You do it because you enjoy the feeling
it gives you, whatever that is.” 07 Mar 2011
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/90b57eaa796e8b14
94- OldCSMAer: “What’s he been doing? Am I going to be sorry I killfiled
him?” 27 Nov 2006
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/23b808d9646cd257
95- OldSage: “What drives me nuts is your unrelenting ability and desire
to argue on the head of a pin about the most trivial of things.” 2 Oct
2007
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/88457f8e7c25273e
96- Oxford: “If you are using MT-Newswatcher: Select offending Author,
example Snit… Go to the Filters Menu, Choose ‘Kill this Author’ Click
‘OK’ Then Repeat with each annoying Author of your choice. Then to see
your work… Choose the Filter Menu again, Then ‘Refilter Articles’…
Bam! No more boring, pointless bickering about nothing. Enjoy!!!!!” 14
Aug 2004
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/1d7f9181e95ed9ec
97- Owl (COLA): “You have interacted with me often enough to know that I
never initiate personal attacks. I generally respond in kind. It is you
who usually fall off the civility wagon first, with your ironically
condescending canned responses that do nothing for your argument and
generally shine a spotlight on the desperation that you are so fearful of
projecting.” 5 Mar 2011
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/8debf93e05da4d26
Owl (COLA): “You are a complete idiot and extremely dishonest. Consider
yourself permanently plonked.” 29 Mar 2011
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/ba7797c5108b3c10
98- Patrick Nihill: “I mean, honestly, who would you rather discuss
something with; Dan, or someone like Zara? Or, for that matter, Snit, for
whom the work ‘troll’ seems so painfully inadequate?” 13 Aug 2006
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/f93db68e683ad769
99- Pawel Wojciak: “Jesus Christ, snit… ” 27 Jun 2006
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/93afdfea4d4f491a
100- PC Guy: “Forget it Snit, you’re a waste of time. For someone who
talks about everyone else not being “honest and honorable” you appear to
be the least honest and honorable of anyone here.” 22 Apr 2007
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/36bf51df2a2662a4
101- Peter: “I’ve never felt the need to use the filters in Newswatcher
but I thought Id try the Kill this Author.. option with Snit. Ten seconds
later and he’s gone! Amazing.” 30 Dec 2004
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/011eef01d7bcd56c
102- Peter Bjorn Perlso: “Plonked for 60 days. Now stfu and take your
argument with sandman into the private room.” 13 Dec 2006
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/ae4651ec99be3c77
103- Peter Hayes: “True, but that removes Snit completely, and someti…
err….. occasiona…. errrrr….. once in a blue moon he has something
useful to say.” 20 Mar 2007
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/8a31a47e26c5f5b7
104- Peter Jensen (cola): “Where has he ever said that they were not
different windowing environments? Message-ID, please. Experience has told
me not to trust you on anything without backing evidence.” 30 Jun 2005
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/cfd5de2006d42fdc
105- Peter Kohlmann (cola): “Snot Glasser is invading this group with his
inane drivel, so he has to bear what people think about that dishonest
retard. And just for the record: You *are* a Glasser sock” 30 Jan 2010
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/f3166f6fda92641b
106- PeterBP: “Oh will you stfu”. 30 Mar 2008
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/3e88e9a86cb5483e
107- Phil Earnhardt: “You’re only interested in trying to get superficial
snipes and extrapolate inappropriate conclusions.” 1 Nov 2004
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/ad24a97d5dc86277
108- Rapskat (cola): “For instance, your sig you reference a long
standing war you have going with some person from csma. It’s like you
single out persons to target your attentions upon and then continuously
berate them with constant barbs and goads to perpetuate their acrimonious
responses, which in turn you respond in kind, etc. ad infinitum. Above
all things, your affinity for Macs and your overbearing pompous nature
aside, this is what convinces me that your primary purpose for
frequenting this and other groups is to troll.” 07 Sep 2005
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/a09c6b8e3e63f42d
109- RichardK: “Just killfile him already.” 20 Jun 2006
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/1c9e7ded2e95a582
110- Rick (cola): “Snit, you are a liar. And an ignorant one. You trash
people that are trying their level best to cope with a horrendous
situation. And you do it without the slightest idea of what is going
on.” 06 Sep 2005
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/fcad2955ac5cb03b
111- Rick G.: “Just to be plain here, I have no doubt that he is a troll.
I am tolerant of his nature, not blind to it. However, as a troll, he
is … somewhat clumsy.” 22 Mar 2005
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/198b88e3d0064a92
112- Robert F.: “Um, perhaps you misunderstand. I don’t care if you quote
Mayor McCheese claiming the Earth is a flat plate perched on the shell of
a tortoise, I was merely pointing out that you run the risk of looking
ridiculous when you quote something patently stupid. If that’s your goal,
you’re on the right track, and more power to you.” 11 Jan 2006
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/4dc22433eae8803d
113- RonB (COLA): “Snit is a crank fixated on one issue, who’s thing is
twisting your words so he can win an argument against a straw man. That’s
enough to killfile him.” 1 Jan 2009
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.usenet.kooks/msg/ce8550d4cc5b1b42
RonB: (COLA): “Why do you bother responding to Snit? He makes no point,
he simply gainsays whatever you say. Just another version of Hadron’s
‘you’re a liar’ mantra, which is about all he can muster nowadays.” 27
May 2010
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/279210dd877d7aa0
RonB (COLA): “Original subject line now killfiled. You can only talk
about the freaking clipboard for so many million freaking messages. As I
said, Snit has no common-sense, STOP mechanism. He’s a mechanically
obsessive super crank and will go on forever. I’m not kidding about this,
he will *NEVER* *ever* stop.” 6 Mar 2011
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/0df1e0164a8b586e
114- Rotten Apple: “You make trolls like me look like choir boys.” 14 Sep
2009
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/7a92988bcbce8fdb
115- Roy Culley (cola): “You appear to be in the latter category.
Starting crossposted threads for the simple purpose of hoping to generate
a flame war. If you truly want to learn more about Linux and how it can
help you and your supposed users why aren’t you requesting help from a
more technical Linux newsgroup than an advocacy group? As the old saying
goes, those who can do, those who can’t teach. Your posts seem to confirm
that saying IMHO.” 12 Mar 2005
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/d521a80051e24d08
116- S’mee (Keith, rec.motorcycles): “Liar…forger and worthless. You
must be related to our resident racist troll, he lies as much as you.”
29 Dec 2008
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/ab08c00330c8b58d
117- Sandman: “He is by far the most killfiled person in the -HISTORY- of
csma. I’ve never seen someone so disliked, almost hated, in a news group
before. He has the ability to turn just about any person against him in
just a few posts. On usenet, trolls do this daily, but the funny part
with Michael is that I actually think he DOESN’T consider himself be a
troll – damn what -EVERYONE ELSE- is calling him. Obviously they are
wrong. Only Tholen himself can match this behaviour.” 18 Mar 2005
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/51c0735c774215c2
118- sav: “You really need to take a rest somewhere nice. Honestly, even
the nutters who hang out down on Brighton seafront made more sense than
this. You been doing drugs or something?” 25 May 2006
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/1b251baa5c641370
119- Sean Burke: If you’re dumb enough to respond to snit, you’re
probably dumb enough to click on a spam attachment that promises to
remove smut from your harddrive.” 21 Jan 2005
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/e166032d8959c0e1
120- Sermo Malifer (COLA):
Snit: “Why do so many people in COLA argue *against* me…”
Sermo Malifer: “Because you’re a narcissistic troll who posts trash just
to get people talking about you.” 21 Jan 2009
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/5ddf14f502e9b3f1
121- spike1: “As for the original post, there’s plenty of reason thought
and criteria. The reason is snit’s here. The thought is probably to show
everyone here just how bad a troll snit is.” 03 Dec 2006
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/c797d640e3b9fc12
122- ShutterBugz: “so snit-zel has some kind of problem expressing anger,
i guess. he has to vent his frustrations in other ways. and he thinks
he’s making sense: well the syntax is there and he figures he’s pretty
smart. indeed, he tells us, he’s done the personality tests and the iq
tests and he’s okay! aaaaahhhhh, you see he’s soooooooo well adjusted.”
3 Mar 2004
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/7f9fa1cf90490298
123- Steel (COLA): “You may not like the game, but nevertheless, it’s
just a game. You play a game yourself don’t kid yourself.” 14 Oct 2010
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/be1f49165984c350
124- Steve Carroll: “Snit isn’t much more than a one trick pony and not
telling the whole story is one of his two main tricks. His other main
trick is to outright lie. Sprinkle in a bit of denial and you’ve gone a
long way towards defining his MO. The idea that Snit admits to his
errors is one of the biggest jokes on usenet.” 28 Feb 2010
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/0cc84ece10726aac
125- Steve Mackay: “Just killfile Snit, the dishonest piece of elephant
dung, and all would go away. Sure, I got caught up in the “Snit Circus”,
but then the cotton candy began to sour, and CSMA begun to smell like
elephant dung.” 18 Aug 2004
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/9fc11094133dfcdf
126- Steven de Mena: “Sorry, you have now lost all credibility with me
for your rediculous argument regarding this.” 26 Sep 2006
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/1c8777d39c34e293
127- Steve Travis: “Oh oh… Now look what we’ve done. Snit has lost
all self respect and has sunk to the point of using words like ‘asses’
when referring to others. Oh, how could the morally superior snit have
fallen so low.. Please take a moment out of your busy schedule to feel
embarassed for him. Or perhaps we should set up a fund to get him more
happy glue (and the appropriate plastic bags).” 27 Mar 2005
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/3edd9ab69425a6c5
128- Stuart Krivis: “You might as well just give up and plonk him then. A
snit is a snit is a snit and always will be.” 15 Aug 2006 (post not
available except in reply)
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/5b382420a696f140
129- Tattoo Vampire (COLA): “In other words, in another attempt to troll,
you made yourself look like a fool. Again”. 28 Aug 2008
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/b2676d3540e09f38
130- thanatoid: “Is business/personal life/etc. SO bad that you had to
create Snit? I really thought higher of you until Snit came in here, in
fact I find your site very nice and wish there was a shop like yours
where I live (well, I /think/…) Or is Snit really just someone whose HD
you accidentally wiped? Either way, it seems to have created a lot of,
for lack of a better word, unpleasantness – just from looking at today’s
headers.” 02 Jul 2008
http://groups.google.com/group/24hoursupport.helpdesk/msg/1c43a7415c97bfa1
131- The Lost Packet (COLA): “well, he’s found a seat in my killbin, I
can’t be doing with him.” 27 Jan 2009
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/2007526a552b3322
132- TheLetterK: “That is merely your perception, Shit. You’re the one
lacking counter evidence, and your arguments basically amount to “I’m
right, nya nya nya.” No matter how many examples someone points at to
demonstrate their claim, you blindly continue to insist that they provide
no evidence, or that the evidence given is irrelevant. Worse still, you
fall back on straw men and disingenuous quote mangling to portray the
argument in your favor. You are one of the worst trolls that inhabit CSMA,
Shit. *Edwin* is more prone to fits of reason than you are.” 23 Sep 2006
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/d488596b57132124
133- Thufir: “You can “prove” that no one has disproved your “proof”?
Again, your assertion that no one has done so is even *less* convincing
than your claim that some PDF “proves” whatever point you’re trying to
make precisely because I’m familiar with your MO. That is, you’re a dumb-
ass who would claim that that something is proved when it’s not, and who
would ignore counter-examples disproving your contention. I don’t know
what this *ages old* thread is about, but I know that you’re full of
shit.” 21 Aug 2008
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/5114623055c01092
134-Tim Adams: “I’d kill file you but then I’d miss the fun. you see, you
never cease to amaze me at just how stupid you really are. Why just the
other day I had a great laugh when I saw you, the king of liars (in this
NG anyway) calling somebody else a liar.” 13 Nov 2004
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/40c7f9407179ff2a
135- Tim Crowley: “I don’t know – I think you might have more compassion.
Snit is sick. He needs help. This is the only way the poor sick fool can
get attention. My fucking God, he’s taken to hanging out with and
supporting racist pig fuckers like MuahMuah. It is true that no-one likes
him and those that pretend they do are just using him or don’t know him -
but come on- it’s not his fault. He’s sick. Have some compassion, eh? All
these idiot trolls, Zara, Stew, Tommy, MuaaaahMuaaah, and Snit – they are
all so alike. I pity each and every one of them” 19 Apr 2006
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/67f0f174110bfa0a
136- Tim Smith: “No, he didn’t, and there is no reasonable way you could
actually believe he lied. You are purely trying to troll here.” 14 Apr
2006
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/6e3cfd9240ac4871
137- Timberwoof: “Plonk, Snit.” 23 Apr 2006
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/40c8df070c3e776c
138- tom_elam: “Killfile Steve C. and Snit” 07 Jul 2006
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/b50d0c973d21d995
139- TomB (COLA): “No Snit, you were flat out lying in an attempt to make
me look bad. Do you really have to sink to that level in order to ‘be
right’? If so, you’re pathetic. And I don’t say this because I like to
say it.” 07 Feb 2010
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/43263f575ac40353
140- Tom Bates: “Do you have to turn any thread you post in into one of
your Circus acts?” 20 Feb 2006
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/25f0e481b605e71f
141- Tommy: “In case you did not get it, I think the moral was: Stop
polluting the world with your infantile and obsessive “writings”. You
give Mac advocacy a bad name. If that was your goal you have succeeded!
That also goes for all that bullshit on your website” 11 Jun 2004
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/03610d2080321d33
142- Tony(UK) (COLA): “Your email address in your headers just about sums
the Linux world up. Nothing to do with the OS, it is the *uckwits
involved in the whole arena and have posted before on this. If in doubt,
deride, insult and attack. Look inwardly carefully before judging me.”
10 Dec 2009
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/533042ed18cefba3
143- TravelinMan: “I still can’t figure out what’s wrong with Snit. Most
people have him kill-filed and the few who don’t mostly restrict their
responses to ‘why don’t you go away, no one wants you here’. Just what
would keep someone in this group with all of that animosity? Must be some
kind of severe mental illness.” 17 Mar 2005
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/45197fbb46d491df
144- Wally: “Because by your own admission “honor and honesty” are
nothing more than a “game” to you, as such not only do you wish to define
the rules, but no doubt you will also attempt to alter or bend the rules
when inevitably things do not go to your liking, for this reason I doubt
anyone would be foolish enough to play your game.” 16 May 2004
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/b9b3ed1ee20e5220
145- WhoMe: “F michael IS a teacher, it’s no wonder he’s home more than
he’s anywhere near a classroom”.
146- William Poaster: “Good grief. If anyone’s having a mental breakdown
it’s the Prescott Computer Guy, Michael Snit Glasser. What a f#cked up
mess he is.” 29 Aug 2008
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/914d1e74855fb461
147- William R. Walsh: “Now, if you’ll excuse me, and accept my sincere
” 10 Feb 2005
apologies for this, PLONK! Feel proud about that. You’re the first person
to be plonked from my new computer!
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/313c7368f6369c49
148- Woofbert: “*Plonk*” 14 Jun 2004
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/436e6b5333d747e0
149- zara: “Look – I’m not into combing through thousands of posts, to
prove what was said or not said – I leave stuff like that to people
without lives, like Snit. But it is assuredly, in the record. Ping Snit
to do a search – you will flatter him, and give meaning to his tawdry
little life.” 25 Oct 2006
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/a1d4fc7120a6a538
150- Zaren Ankleweed: “And with that, Snit goes in the global killfile.
No subject, no author, no nothing. Buh-bye”. 11 Sep 2004
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/12f7c34f24d43624
151- Znu: “The Snit Circus has gotten particularly bad as of late. When I
set up my filters to kill all of Snit’s posts, plus direct replies to
them (which is how I’m keeping things from now on), nearly 40% of the
most recent 1000 articles in CSMA go out the window. …. In all,
something like 50% of the traffic in this group is now related to Snit
insanity. …. I killfile Edwin because I don’t have a patience to have
discussions with someone who deliberately tries to waste my time. But
watching *other people* tie him knots can be entertaining. The Snit-
related posts are not like this. They are endless repetitions of the
exact same material and/or arguments dating back *years* about who said
what.” 20 Apr 2008
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/9244dd79c682b2d6
152- amicus_curious (COLA): “Where on earth do you get the idea that I am
arguing with you, little man? Is your name “Hadron”? Shoo! Go back to
your mail order business!” 29 May 2011
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/00ee203fe6183b1b
153- nessuno (COLA):
Chris Ahlstrom: “Have you ever noticed that threads involving Snit, [...]
are a basically a waste of time?
nessuno: “Yep. I don’t read them.” 29 May 2011
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/2f997598f0e25f9d
154- Marti Van Lin (COLA): “I paid enough attention to Snit IMHO. I
killfiled him the very first month I started lurking COLA. I find his
nitpicking and immature behavior extremely annoying. I am not going to
torture myself reading his bullshit. Snit is also a proven liar. Remember
his retarded exif debacle.” 08 Jul 2011
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/d12622df3671359b
155- White Spirit (COLA): “It would interest me a lot more if both the
participants were honest and intelligent. Snit is lacking at least one
of those characteristics.” 25 Jul 2011
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/ba8beed91bca6bfa
Michael Reply:
September 3rd, 2011 at 8:49 am
Now Roy… I notice you are using the same list of obsessively scavenged and forged quotes as HPT. Tsk Tsk.
I am not “stalking” you. I am responding to your public blog. I am making no effort to find out anything about your private life or anything else a “stalker” would do. Nor am I suggesting I would – I would find that completely inappropriate.
I am pointing out your lies and your FUD. Why not comment on that? Why not comment on your lies about me – such as the one I quote above?
Needs Sunlight Reply:
September 4th, 2011 at 8:02 am
How much do you get paid to troll here?
High Plains Thumper said,
September 3, 2011 at 8:41 pm
Roy, excellent article, I see Apple cast from the same mould as Microsoft and its evangelism. I also see Mr. Michael Glasser Snit continuing as the same troll that he has been for over 7 years. Here is a key quote:
25- Dawg Tail: “PC advocates, Mac advocates, Linux advocates. Almost all of them are making similar claims about Snit. When you have so many diverse people who share a common perception where do you think the problem lies? With Snit? Or almost everyone else? The answer doesn’t require an advanced degree to figure out.” 30 Dec 2004
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/73edac32c3ad530b
Snit claims these links are forged, but they are not, they are actual quotes and the user is permitted to follow the threads in Google Groups as well.
Sincerely, HPT
Michael Reply:
September 3rd, 2011 at 8:50 pm
Many of those quotes are forged – heck, you *accuse* me of having posted as some of those people. In other words, you make self-contradictory accusations.
But it is not what people say of you which matters – it is what *you* say. And I stand behind my words.
Why not stand behind yours and show evidence that I posted as Joel Crumpp and that the following video is “forged”:
http://tmp.gallopinginsanity.com/UbuntuCP.mov
You have accused me of both. And a lot more. And you do so repeatedly.
So here, in a public forum, I challenge you to show evidence.
But you will run. 100% predictable. But do not worry: Roy will back your claims. As I have noted, he is not honest either.
High Plains Thumper Reply:
September 3rd, 2011 at 10:34 pm
Being the liar that you are Michael, you are incapable of facing the truth. You use your website to post evidence that you altered but express as original, if nothing else to continue your anti-Linux agenda.
[quote]
Snit wrote:
> Desktop Linux has grown a *lot* over the last few years…
> amazingly so, really. No reason to think that will stop or
> even slow – despite the over-the-top reactions in COLA to
> people admitting there are problems with Linux.
Snit: “Here are some of the inconsistencies (and other oddities) I have documented in a relatively recent versions of desktop Linux: From PCLOS: Poorly done menus
HPT: “Very nit picky, making a mountain out of a mole hill.
“Exit” versus “Quit”? You’re kidding.”
Snit: “Poorly done dialogs:
”
HPT: “Dialogs cut off? There is a slider bar at the bottom, and one can resize the dialogue box. Looks like you resized the dialogue box to suit your anti-Linux agenda.”
Snit: “Poorly done and Inconsistent dialogs:
”
HPT: “You moved and dragged the task bar, aligned vertical with the side of the screen. That is freedom and for you it is a problem? Buttons cut off by default? I did what you did by
shinking the window. FireFox shows “>>”, which shows the
remainder of that favourites toolbar menu, not as you show.”
Snit: “Mouse pointers that do not do as they say:
”
HPT: “In this case, file window dialogue box did not stretch, but all text items are visible, fully functional. Windows XP does the same. This is okay for Microsoft software but not okay for Linux? Who are you kidding?”
Snit: “Even Ubuntu has its share of quirks – though it is clearly
done much better: ”
HPT: “What is unusual about individual expression of how menus are set up in applications? I see the same thing with Windows software. Adobe’s menu items differ from Corel’s, differ from Ulead.”
Snit: “And the more recent one showing copy and paste oddities and weird text behavior on selection:
It is not like such examples are hard to find – or are not obvious.”
HPT: “Oh, really? I just copied in FireFox, pasted in gedit, it
works fine. This is with Ubuntu 8.04 LTS and FireFox 3.0.5.
Here it is again, same text you highlighted:
[paste]
Prescott Computer Guy is a family run business located in
Prescott, Arizona. My wife, Anne, does most of the “behind the scenes” work and I, Michael, get to do the fun part: working with the public and playing with fun toys. Don’t tell her, but I think I get the better end of the deal!
[/paste]
Altered video wizardry? There is nothing wrong with Ubuntu copy and paste.”
George Barca: “I suppose you could say Gimp vs Photoshop however people using either of those programs are most likely professionals and will take the time to learn the differences if they need to move between the two.
Snit: “It is not a question of learning the difference… no
doubt people can use, for example, any of the different Save
dialogs I show in my above links. Still leads to lost work,
frustration, and lost time.”
HPT: “No, rather it is another example of Snit moving the goal
posts, creating problems that do not exist except for an
invention of his own mind.” 29 Jan 2009
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/4489dbf4844832e5
Re:
Alias: “Copying and pasting or cutting and pasting is a bit
different in Ubuntu. Note that the lamer who made this video
didn’t know that you can select something and then just click the wheel on your mouse and it will paste, something you can’t do with Windows and is much quicker than the lame Windows way in the video.” 19 Apr 2009
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/9abb006c689c9e62
[/quote]
Thus Snit demonstrates his only purpose in COLA is to FUD Linux.
Here, I posted about your socks with a link to Sandman’s site that you lie about:
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy/msg/1af320f3f1fb3f08
http://tinyurl.com/3wyf4cg
Here, Wally proved you nymshifting as Rhino Plastee:
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/a19caebdb2274e53
Here is Snit as sock Joel Crump:
[quote]
Of course he is Snit masquerading! Those in comp.sys.mac.advocacy (CSMA) have seen Snit’s shenanigans, how he operates with sock puppets. Joel speaks with the timbre of Rhino Plastee, another Snit sock.
Here’s Snit at his best:
Soutien du Modérateur: “Following are 132 poster accounts on the Snit Circus of Pathological Lies:”
Joel Crump: “And that’s supposed to convince someone that they are the good guys? Please. I’ll take one decent poster like Snit over a thousand idiot trolls, any day.” 29 Nov 2009
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/ce419ba75106d6a6
[/quote]
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/0bd17bdaba1a4350
Also here is another note. Being the attention seek that you are Michael and that to reply to you is mostly a waste of oxygen and bandwidth, I see no further reason to continue this discussion.
–
HPT
Michael Reply:
September 3rd, 2011 at 10:40 pm
Seriously, what part of that do you think supports your BS accusations?
You claim I forged the video and posted as Joel Crumpp… but where is the *evidence*? Do you even know what that means? Hint: it does not mean repeating the same accusation and more.
If you want to get into Sandman’s lies and the like we can – but first I want you to try to back your accusations.
What *evidence* do you have that I forged the copy/paste video linked above?
What *evidence* do you have I posted as Joel Crumpp?
Being that you are lying about both things, of course, you will never provide evidence. But do at least try!