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| schestowitz | Due to a network hiccup here I lost connection for 4 hours on main machine, had to merge in IRC logs from other machines (too a while!) | Mar 09 04:12 |
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| schestowitz | I also had to restart the pi physically as it failed to re-establish the connection and it is headline | Mar 09 04:12 |
| schestowitz | after the reboot most things were OK, IP address was still the same | Mar 09 04:12 |
| schestowitz | I restored services for what was needed | Mar 09 04:13 |
| schestowitz | However, I examined the daemon for gemini login, both at script and systemd level (service) | Mar 09 04:13 |
| schestowitz | I cannot understand why it only writes to file the first bit about starting to log | Mar 09 04:13 |
| schestowitz | but then nothing additional is added to that file | Mar 09 04:14 |
| schestowitz | no clues in syslog, I think this is the first time we test this service/daemon after a reboot | Mar 09 04:14 |
| schestowitz | maybe it's looking for input in a place whose name was changed? Not sure | Mar 09 04:15 |
| schestowitz | oh, never mind | Mar 09 04:20 |
| schestowitz | it seems to be fixed now | Mar 09 04:20 |
| schestowitz | either you did something or me restarting the daemon fixed it | Mar 09 04:21 |
| Techrights-sec | it was probably restarting as I did not get to it | Mar 09 06:55 |
| schestowitz | upload late today or forgotten? | Mar 09 10:12 |
| schestowitz | sorry, my bad, I was looking in the wrong directory | Mar 09 11:41 |
| Techrights-sec | today is the 9th? | Mar 09 11:43 |
| Techrights-sec | sent 142,591 bytes received 112 bytes 31,711.78 bytes/sec | Mar 09 11:43 |
| Techrights-sec | Upload was some hours ago. | Mar 09 11:43 |
| schestowitz | I made the same mistake before after losing a connection to "vonick", then inspecting local files instead of remote files (in Dolpin) | Mar 09 11:47 |
| Techrights-sec | no worries | Mar 09 11:52 |
| schestowitz | Berzmeyer is slurping away at the capsule again, I've gotten two alerts | Mar 09 11:53 |
| Techrights-sec | thread : https://lists.orbitalfox.eu/archives/gemini/2021/006001.html | Mar 09 14:06 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-lists.orbitalfox.eu | [users] So you have a new capsule. You should let these services know… | Mar 09 14:06 | |
| schestowitz | I linked to that this morning :-) | Mar 09 14:06 |
| Techrights-sec | excellent | Mar 09 14:19 |
| Techrights-sec | I wonder if there is anything which can be done to further improve the | Mar 09 14:19 |
| Techrights-sec | usability of the TR capsule | Mar 09 14:19 |
| schestowitz | I thought the same, but gemtext is intentionally limited to discourage that | Mar 09 14:19 |
| Techrights-sec | yes, but there still might be some refinements here or there | Mar 09 14:20 |
| Techrights-sec | however, keeping it simple probably checks most of the boxes in that | Mar 09 14:20 |
| Techrights-sec | regard | Mar 09 14:20 |
| schestowitz | Every change in layout or presentation now poses a risk of breaking something in the workflow or scripts, without us even noticing | Mar 09 14:20 |
| schestowitz | I'd say, if it grows beyond 1000 unique IPs per day, then it's worth the time (RoI) | Mar 09 14:21 |
| Techrights-sec | yes that is the weakness inherent in scraping | Mar 09 14:21 |
| Techrights-sec | What's the current rate of visits per day? | Mar 09 14:22 |
| Techrights-sec | For a while there was that broken spider running amok. | Mar 09 14:22 |
| schestowitz | █████████████ 3693 total requests and 322 known hosts █████████████████▉▊▋ | Mar 09 14:22 |
| Techrights-sec | 300+ per day seems like a good start | Mar 09 14:23 |
| Techrights-sec | Gemini will have to grow for that to grow, however | Mar 09 14:23 |
| schestowitz | the media won't help us, it's indebted to things like Google for ads and Google doesn't want http alts and it's largely dominated by Google already | Mar 09 14:24 |
| Techrights-sec | it's almost hard to call the media 'news' any more. The terms are no longer | Mar 09 14:25 |
| Techrights-sec | interchangeable. | Mar 09 14:25 |
| Techrights-sec | Lots of propaganda though. | Mar 09 14:25 |
| schestowitz | some people I know who used to cover gnu/linux news have vanished or defected to PR/marketing | Mar 09 14:25 |
| schestowitz | it's important to "sell" gemini as an escape from the spam and hate machine (social control media) | Mar 09 14:26 |
| Techrights-sec | Yes and an escape from the javascript hell/. | Mar 09 14:26 |
| Techrights-sec | There are a lot of blind users of Gemini, I gather. | Mar 09 14:28 |
| Techrights-sec | The simplicity helps them too. | Mar 09 14:28 |
| Techrights-sec | Everyone benefits from the simplicity. | Mar 09 14:28 |
| schestowitz | getting the browsers is not always simple | Mar 09 14:28 |
| Techrights-sec | The lack of browsers in distro repositories is a bottleneck at the moment. | Mar 09 14:31 |
| schestowitz | i could probably fork some of the mainstream ones to be preloaded with techrights, or just branch off them, offer binaries | Mar 09 14:32 |
| schestowitz | Amfora is GPL-3.0 License, I suppose I could make the site accessible as kiosk over ssh with amfora | Mar 09 14:34 |
| schestowitz | dialog with guest user, linking to amfora <argument? | Mar 09 14:35 |
| schestowitz | could be marketed as read TR over ssh, similar to bbs/telnet acceess | Mar 09 14:35 |
| Techrights-sec | Probably not worth the risk. | Mar 09 14:36 |
| Techrights-sec | There are a lot of mitigations which can be deployed but they | Mar 09 14:36 |
| Techrights-sec | are time consuming to set up. | Mar 09 14:36 |
| Techrights-sec | Those that are comfortable with SSH are going to be able to get their own | Mar 09 14:36 |
| Techrights-sec | Gemini client anyway, distro repository or not. | Mar 09 14:36 |
| schestowitz | I suppose the pi itself could be used for this, directly | Mar 09 14:37 |
| schestowitz | set up guest account, kiosk mode, ssh guest@gemini.techrights.org, then it goes directly to amfora... downside being security risks (priv escalation or jailbreak) | Mar 09 14:38 |
| Techrights-sec | Maybe work through an existing BBS with an existing community? | Mar 09 14:39 |
| Techrights-sec | Otherwis there supervision and maintenance invovled. | Mar 09 14:39 |
| Techrights-sec | Easy, but it depends on the resilience of Amfora | Mar 09 14:39 |
| Techrights-sec | Amfora is not yet in the repository. | Mar 09 14:39 |
| schestowitz | BBS is harder as many distros lack telnet by default | Mar 09 14:40 |
| Techrights-sec | Yes, that supports the probability that those familiar with SSH (or telnet) | Mar 09 14:42 |
| Techrights-sec | will be able to deal with getting their own Gemini client. | Mar 09 14:42 |
| Techrights-sec | Web gateways are rather pointless and not an alternative IMO | Mar 09 14:42 |
| schestowitz | I looked into self-hosted web proxies/gateways, inc. the new (alpha) one-file php one that's advertised in the mailing list. That would sort of miss the point (still need browser) | Mar 09 14:43 |
| schestowitz | and the output of those is still crude and 'ugly' | Mar 09 14:43 |
| Techrights-sec | Amfora is rather nice and I am almost used to the key bindings. | Mar 09 14:46 |
| Techrights-sec | It is necessary to set up alternative colors though, that and | Mar 09 14:46 |
| Techrights-sec | TR's use of the small circle arrow before nnon-Gemini links helps. | Mar 09 14:46 |
| Techrights-sec | I absolutely hate triggering a non-Gemini link. It is way too disruptive. | Mar 09 14:46 |
| Techrights-sec | I wish all the clients had warning labels for the external links built in. | Mar 09 14:46 |
| schestowitz | TR has that, spinning globe in CSS | Mar 09 14:46 |
| schestowitz | maybe gemini need "AN APP" (sarcasm) | Mar 09 14:46 |
| Techrights-sec | It's easier to read TR via Amfora than FF | Mar 09 14:47 |
| schestowitz | I studied all amfora settings. It lacks support for non-HTML external links, e.g. binding video files to a video player/media player | Mar 09 14:47 |
| Techrights-sec | That's fine, video and other large files ought not be served over Gemini | Mar 09 14:48 |
| Techrights-sec | The protocol is poor at handling 'large' files. I'm not sure what size range | Mar 09 14:48 |
| Techrights-sec | is the limit though. | Mar 09 14:48 |
| schestowitz | No, I mean photo/image viewers/editors can take URL a argument, as can media players | Mar 09 14:49 |
| Techrights-sec | It's fine for the articles, and those are the most important resource at TR | Mar 09 14:50 |
| Techrights-sec | Oh, I had not looked. | Mar 09 14:50 |
| schestowitz | I don't like loading up a dodgy browser (with 'telemetry') just to load up a video or image. IRC clients can channel requests directly to viewers/players. | Mar 09 14:51 |
| Techrights-sec | maybe the WebM videos could be imported to Gemtext and labeled with | Mar 09 14:54 |
| Techrights-sec | a different protocol? Right now they are keeping the http:// designation. | Mar 09 14:54 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-Could not resolve host: designation; Unknown error ( status 0 @ http:// designation ) | Mar 09 14:54 | |
| schestowitz | how would that be handled technically at server side and client side? | Mar 09 14:54 |
| schestowitz | nothing that passes my mind would work, at either side, unless you just translate and redirect (I already have a script in place to fetch list of all webm files) | Mar 09 14:55 |
| Techrights-sec | The client would launch a different application for say rtsp or something | Mar 09 14:57 |
| Techrights-sec | else for the video | Mar 09 14:57 |
| Techrights-sec | Every month that goes by adds a little more technical debt | Mar 09 14:57 |
| Techrights-sec | in regards to the server backlog. | Mar 09 14:57 |
| schestowitz | I don't know all the gemini clients, but amfora is too simple for this, it just has two things to support, gemtext/other (shown as plain text) or external (http/s only) | Mar 09 14:58 |
| Techrights-sec | I haven't look into rtmp or rtsp in depth and not since a long time ago. | Mar 09 14:59 |
| Techrights-sec | All amfora would have to do would be to spot the rtsp:// or rtmp:// | Mar 09 15:00 |
| Techrights-sec | part of the URI and launch an extrnal viewer. | Mar 09 15:00 |
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