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| psydroid | I think they're making the best of the situation, but I hope this won't be the normality | Jan 02 00:00 |
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| psydroid | however society at large is more important and things are quite unclear at the moment | Jan 02 00:01 |
| schestowitz | football is crucial at the moment | Jan 02 00:01 |
| schestowitz | helps distract the "plebs" from what's happening to the economy | Jan 02 00:01 |
| schestowitz | food safety etc. | Jan 02 00:01 |
| schestowitz | "Sure, I have no job to go back to next Monday, but at least UNITED is tops" | Jan 02 00:02 |
| psydroid | yeah | Jan 02 00:03 |
| schestowitz | the article from nytimes with rms in it is spreading https://www.mcall.com/consumer-reviews/sns-nyt-amazon-abstainers-20210101-af4l5hmcbjhipf55k7uv2bprly-story.html | Jan 02 00:04 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.mcall.com | Life without Amazon (well, almost) - The Morning Call | Jan 02 00:05 | |
| schestowitz | he's mentioned there | Jan 02 00:05 |
| schestowitz | 5th copy of this article I see today | Jan 02 00:05 |
| schestowitz | " | Jan 02 00:06 |
| schestowitz | >> Roy, sorry about that, and sorry it took me so incredibly long; that was | Jan 02 00:06 |
| schestowitz | >> unexpected, and I was under incredible pressure. | Jan 02 00:06 |
| schestowitz | > As many people are these days. | Jan 02 00:06 |
| schestowitz | Indeed. | Jan 02 00:06 |
| schestowitz | > Splitting groups apart is a strategy noted in internal documents | Jan 02 00:06 |
| schestowitz | > (Microsoft), and my writings are different from fig's (I disagree with | Jan 02 00:06 |
| schestowitz | > him on many things actually). | Jan 02 00:06 |
| schestowitz | *nod* | Jan 02 00:06 |
| schestowitz | Some people have some trouble understanding this, that you post stuff on | Jan 02 00:06 |
| schestowitz | a site you control even when you don't quite agree with it. Richard | Jan 02 00:06 |
| schestowitz | made a good point about this in an internal FSF discussion the other | Jan 02 00:06 |
| schestowitz | day: newspapers often publish diverse opinions too. | Jan 02 00:06 |
| schestowitz | He liked very much the article you published last week, in which you | Jan 02 00:06 |
| schestowitz | explained that techrights supports the FSF. He was pretty much sold on | Jan 02 00:06 |
| schestowitz | the idea of giving you the interview you've been trying to arrange for | Jan 02 00:06 |
| schestowitz | quite a while. | Jan 02 00:06 |
| schestowitz | " | Jan 02 00:06 |
| schestowitz | ^^ | Jan 02 00:06 |
| schestowitz | won't sat who's quoted, but some can guess | Jan 02 00:06 |
| psydroid | I guess I know who that is, but the message is most important | Jan 02 00:08 |
| schestowitz | people whom we criticise try to incite against us | Jan 02 00:08 |
| schestowitz | the usual tricks | Jan 02 00:08 |
| schestowitz | basically baseless | Jan 02 00:08 |
| schestowitz | or attributed to other people | Jan 02 00:08 |
| schestowitz | " | Jan 02 00:09 |
| schestowitz | Alas, others expressed concerns about the apparent change of position | Jan 02 00:09 |
| schestowitz | from the site, which I was unable to dispell, and about its being a | Jan 02 00:09 |
| schestowitz | "conspiracy site", which hurt even me to hear, but Richard, in his usual | Jan 02 00:09 |
| schestowitz | way ake of listening to everyone's concerns, agreed to keep it on hold | Jan 02 00:09 |
| schestowitz | for a bit longer, and to look at the "conspiracy" posts that were to be | Jan 02 00:09 |
| schestowitz | sent his way. JohnS mention stuff about nazis and unfounded rumours and | Jan 02 00:09 |
| schestowitz | Pocock and whatnot. Richard was to look into it and then possibly let | Jan 02 00:09 |
| schestowitz | you know his thoughts on publishing that sort of material. | Jan 02 00:09 |
| schestowitz | Anyway, I wanted to share that you've scored quite a goal with that one | Jan 02 00:09 |
| schestowitz | article, and that Richard is listening positively to you, though there | Jan 02 00:09 |
| schestowitz | is internal pressure against techrights that I think may be very hard to | Jan 02 00:09 |
| schestowitz | turn around. Which is pretty much the same uphill battle some of us | Jan 02 00:09 |
| schestowitz | have been fighting within the FSF, and gaining ground only very | Jan 02 00:09 |
| schestowitz | disappointingly slowly. | Jan 02 00:09 |
| schestowitz | Thanks for your support throughout these difficult times! | Jan 02 00:09 |
| schestowitz | " | Jan 02 00:09 |
| schestowitz | I wonder what those posts are | Jan 02 00:10 |
| schestowitz | surely not the IBM ones | Jan 02 00:10 |
| schestowitz | I am guessing Pocock on things like FSFE | Jan 02 00:10 |
| schestowitz | but who knows... | Jan 02 00:10 |
| schestowitz | Techrights associate: "Yes, ad hominem is all the opponents of Software Freedom have to come with, but they use it because to a certain extent it works. However, congratulations again on the good work and I am relieved that RMS and xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx are seeing the benefit of TR. | Jan 02 00:11 |
| schestowitz | "I'll look longer at the long form response. It is very important to continue to support RMS and his long standing efforts towards Software Freedom." | Jan 02 00:11 |
| psydroid | you can't please all of the people all of the time and sometimes you cause problems or discomfort without even trying | Jan 02 00:12 |
| schestowitz | well, it's like this: | Jan 02 00:16 |
| schestowitz | 1. we have a coup | Jan 02 00:16 |
| schestowitz | 2. some people want power | Jan 02 00:16 |
| schestowitz | 3. they succeeded to some degree | Jan 02 00:16 |
| schestowitz | 4. all communications of RMS must not go through someone else | Jan 02 00:16 |
| schestowitz | 5. we point out 1-4 | Jan 02 00:16 |
| schestowitz | 6. coup initiators not happy | Jan 02 00:16 |
| schestowitz | 7. attack (5), make sure people are not aware of the coup or don't think of it as such | Jan 02 00:16 |
| schestowitz | it's funny when RMS is like "ask me again later on" (like "I need to ask for permissiom") | Jan 02 00:16 |
| schestowitz | this is what the FSF became | Jan 02 00:16 |
| schestowitz | like a PR department trying to save itself from its own founder | Jan 02 00:16 |
| schestowitz | or so they tell us | Jan 02 00:17 |
| schestowitz | people joined and paid FSF for voices like his, not a bunch of poets who try to tell him when to keep quiet and attribute that to "safe space" policies | Jan 02 00:17 |
| schestowitz | brb coffee | Jan 02 00:17 |
| XRevan86 | CrystalMath: The script in this episode is very stupid. | Jan 02 00:22 |
| psydroid | yes, so it's still not the true message the FSF should be spreading and actually did for such a long time | Jan 02 00:24 |
| psydroid | transparency within an organisation is also important | Jan 02 00:25 |
| schestowitz | we did it for them | Jan 02 00:26 |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/2020/04/02/fsf-positive-note/ | Jan 02 00:26 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Inside the Free Software Foundation (FSF) – Part IX: Semi-Happy Ending | Techrights | Jan 02 00:26 | |
| schestowitz | series | Jan 02 00:26 |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/2020/02/28/the-rms-foothold/ | Jan 02 00:28 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Inside the Free Software Foundation (FSF) – Part II: The Majority of the Board Supports Richard Stallman | Techrights | Jan 02 00:28 | |
| schestowitz | Just for the record | Jan 02 00:39 |
| schestowitz | FSF is OK | Jan 02 00:39 |
| schestowitz | but there are factions in it | Jan 02 00:39 |
| schestowitz | you can find evidence of it in the public space as well | Jan 02 00:39 |
| schestowitz | they're still vying for power | Jan 02 00:39 |
| schestowitz | one faction is very much with us at techrights | Jan 02 00:39 |
| schestowitz | the other wants to drift in some questionable direction | Jan 02 00:40 |
| schestowitz | which is not what FSF earned support for in the first place | Jan 02 00:40 |
| schestowitz | FSF had a weakness exploited | Jan 02 00:40 |
| schestowitz | I saw the same in OSI | Jan 02 00:40 |
| schestowitz | you let people into positions of power -- people who don't truly value and sometimes don't understand FS | Jan 02 00:41 |
| schestowitz | LF is what happens when you drift waaaaaaay outside the original scope | Jan 02 00:41 |
| psydroid | is it people with a hunger for power vying over the increased power in the marketplace caused by the huge success of free software? | Jan 02 00:41 |
| schestowitz | and start hiring even Microsofters | Jan 02 00:41 |
| schestowitz | LF in its early days... had a CTO called.... Ian MURDOCK! | Jan 02 00:41 |
| schestowitz | In techrights the circle is still a little small, but at least we know who's who | Jan 02 00:42 |
| schestowitz | the whole "opening up" thing is an Open Source modus operandi | Jan 02 00:42 |
| schestowitz | it means open up to intrusion and controversy | Jan 02 00:42 |
| schestowitz | FSFE had that too | Jan 02 00:43 |
| schestowitz | Georg Greve was AWESOME | Jan 02 00:43 |
| schestowitz | when he left it became just a cash cow for companies it was supposed to combat and vice versa | Jan 02 00:43 |
| schestowitz | I have not kept track of where Greve is, I assume still at Kolab but lower profile | Jan 02 00:43 |
| schestowitz | same for aaron seigo | Jan 02 00:44 |
| schestowitz | canadian, moved to switzerland for work last I heard | Jan 02 00:44 |
| schestowitz | I am not sure if Greve is a Swiss, German, or both in nationality | Jan 02 00:44 |
| schestowitz | PJ disappeared complete, said she'd keep a Kolab account for communications | Jan 02 00:45 |
| schestowitz | not her entire site is offline, since late October, i.e. 2 months ago | Jan 02 00:45 |
| schestowitz | http://groklaw.net | Jan 02 00:45 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 503 @ http://groklaw.net ) | Jan 02 00:45 | |
| psydroid | Georg Greve is German apparently | Jan 02 00:46 |
| psydroid | or well, that's what Wikipedia says | Jan 02 00:47 |
| schestowitz | lots of Germans want to be seen as Swiss | Jan 02 00:47 |
| schestowitz | or move there | Jan 02 00:47 |
| schestowitz | being german has negative connotation when you visit some places | Jan 02 00:47 |
| *schestowitz is german national | Jan 02 00:47 | |
| schestowitz | some hours ago a German friend sent this to me: | Jan 02 00:48 |
| schestowitz | " | Jan 02 00:48 |
| schestowitz | Please don't attribute this to me: | Jan 02 00:48 |
| schestowitz | The part about the EU Commission, under French pressure (which must have involved Breton for sure, as he's the French commissioner), being responsible for many people dying now as they haven't procured enough doses of COVID-19 vaccines, is really bad stuff. | Jan 02 00:48 |
| schestowitz | Der Spiegel and Focus are the two leading newsweeklies in Germany. Spiegel is center-left/liberal; Focus is center-right/libertarian. If they agree, it means something. And especially Spiegel is typically very much pro-EU. | Jan 02 00:48 |
| schestowitz | The current French administration is really a disaster for the EU. If Breton protected the French automotive industry, that would help against those Nordic patent trolls. Instead, he helps his long-standing friends in the telecoms sector. But when it came to COVID-19 vaccine procurement, he apparently blocked the purchase of hundreds of millions of more doses from Pfizer/BioNTech and Moderna. | Jan 02 00:48 |
| schestowitz | People will die, and the economic damage will dwarf whatever could go wrong in the automotive patent context... | Jan 02 00:48 |
| schestowitz | Trust me I don't give a damn that BioNTech is a German company; Pfizer and Moderna are American companies, and BioNTech was founded by Turkish immigrants, so it's not a matter of national pride. Even if a good vaccine came from Japan or Chile, I'd say "let's buy it". | Jan 02 00:48 |
| schestowitz | Best regards, | Jan 02 00:48 |
| schestowitz | " | Jan 02 00:48 |
| psydroid | I've been asked to move to Switzerland by former colleagues before as well, but I'm here for my studies and things got a bit delayed due to health issues | Jan 02 00:48 |
| schestowitz | Switzerland is the country I visited the most as a tourist | Jan 02 00:49 |
| schestowitz | my grandma is from there | Jan 02 00:49 |
| schestowitz | she still has (well, she died ages ago) lots of family and relatives in Zurich area and elsewhere | Jan 02 00:50 |
| schestowitz | but Switzerland is overrated | Jan 02 00:50 |
| schestowitz | Lots of issues with Switzerland | Jan 02 00:50 |
| schestowitz | it's a bank as 'country' | Jan 02 00:50 |
| schestowitz | a bit like Singapore, Macao, HK, London/City of London, Amsterdam, Lichtenstein, Panama... | Jan 02 00:51 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: I've been looking into alternatives in case the interview is a disaster or something. | Jan 02 00:53 |
| schestowitz | Switzerland's population nearly double in decades, partly because it brain-drained other countries for the pharma and tech sector and partly because of the human rights aspect (which mean you import 'low-skilled' people) | Jan 02 00:53 |
| schestowitz | *doubled | Jan 02 00:53 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Among them is posting a public charge bond ensuring that they have our money on file in case he ever applied for a benefit, which is $9,500 on file with them for 5 years and then you can apply to get it back. | Jan 02 00:53 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Tough, but I could get it. Another is just moving to the Philippines myself. | Jan 02 00:53 |
| schestowitz | "In 2016, presidential candidate, Donald Trump said he would look into H1B visa abuse if he was elected. After he won the election, he seemed to forget his promise." http://www.ericmhuffman.com/2021/01/why-year-1990-was-so-important.html | Jan 02 00:53 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.ericmhuffman.com | My Personal Blog: Why the Year 1990 Was So Important | Jan 02 00:54 | |
| schestowitz | (new post) | Jan 02 00:54 |
| schestowitz | he makes a good point | Jan 02 00:54 |
| schestowitz | about diploma mills | Jan 02 00:54 |
| schestowitz | we had many 'fake' colleges here also | Jan 02 00:54 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: it's OK to retire in | Jan 02 00:54 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I hear it isn't difficult to get approval from them to live there. | Jan 02 00:54 |
| schestowitz | you would struggle financially over there | Jan 02 00:54 |
| schestowitz | obviously they want foreigners to bring their skills and money there | Jan 02 00:55 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Actually, the money I have coming in is about 3x what a nurse's salary is. | Jan 02 00:55 |
| schestowitz | but you can barely make a living | Jan 02 00:55 |
| DaemonFC[m] | From what I understand. | Jan 02 00:55 |
| schestowitz | more so during lockdowns | Jan 02 00:55 |
| psydroid | one of my colleagues in Dublin told me that all the German speakers quit their jobs with the company after a year and moved to Switzerland for jobs with twice the pay | Jan 02 00:55 |
| psydroid | or even more | Jan 02 00:55 |
| schestowitz | if they can, why not? | Jan 02 00:55 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: My guess is they don't have any public programs that I'd "risk becoming dependent on", so very little downside to letting me stay there for a while. | Jan 02 00:55 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: the interview would be oK | Jan 02 00:56 |
| schestowitz | mandy committed no crimes and is working | Jan 02 00:56 |
| schestowitz | they go after easier prety | Jan 02 00:56 |
| schestowitz | *prey | Jan 02 00:56 |
| schestowitz | unemployed and felonious | Jan 02 00:56 |
| psydroid | yes, I speak German and French fluently, which is what I was hired for | Jan 02 00:56 |
| schestowitz | don't think negative prematurely | Jan 02 00:56 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It says I make as much as an airline pilot does there. | Jan 02 00:57 |
| schestowitz | you also speak English, so can apply for EPO | Jan 02 00:57 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I think we'd live. | Jan 02 00:57 |
| schestowitz | not that they hire, they only pretend to | Jan 02 00:57 |
| DaemonFC[m] | EPO? | Jan 02 00:57 |
| schestowitz | european patent office | Jan 02 00:57 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: I replied to psydroid | Jan 02 00:57 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: Yes, falling into depression and disarray prematurely, I'm no use to anyone. | Jan 02 00:58 |
| DaemonFC[m] | That's the only reason I'm forcing myself not to. | Jan 02 00:58 |
| schestowitz | nobody is doing well right now | Jan 02 00:58 |
| schestowitz | even those who claim they do | Jan 02 00:58 |
| DaemonFC[m] | But like I said, all options are on the table. All options. | Jan 02 00:59 |
| schestowitz | because their safety nets perish | Jan 02 00:59 |
| schestowitz | family, government... | Jan 02 00:59 |
| schestowitz | you have no safeguards | Jan 02 00:59 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I could move back to Indiana and obscure where I'm living. | Jan 02 00:59 |
| DaemonFC[m] | But that's not really an option long term. | Jan 02 01:00 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: you could always fall back on AmericanDream(TM) with 6 maxed up "credit" cards and trucks bringing water to you | Jan 02 01:00 |
| schestowitz | though banks don't lend much tight now | Jan 02 01:00 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Three major lawsuits in a year involving two credit card companies and your mortgage bank. | Jan 02 01:00 |
| DaemonFC[m] | We're living the "real life"! | Jan 02 01:00 |
| schestowitz | the lawyers get some money | Jan 02 01:01 |
| schestowitz | 'working' from home | Jan 02 01:01 |
| schestowitz | but their clients have limited means for paying | Jan 02 01:01 |
| schestowitz | UK is doing almost as badly a Trumpland | Jan 02 01:01 |
| DaemonFC[m] | This "everything is fine" ruse is wearing thin. | Jan 02 01:02 |
| schestowitz | our national debt/gdp ratio is nowhere as crazy | Jan 02 01:02 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Even the dumb people aren't enough to really believe that. | Jan 02 01:02 |
| schestowitz | iirc, national gdp around 7 tr (used to be) and debt 2 trillion as of months ago | Jan 02 01:02 |
| schestowitz | us gdp is lower than national debt | Jan 02 01:02 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: Oh just wait. With the entire nation on lockdown.... | Jan 02 01:02 |
| schestowitz | so us is technically insolvent now | Jan 02 01:02 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Well, it's a matter of what you call bad. | Jan 02 01:02 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Low GDP growth and high debt is a feature of most countries now. | Jan 02 01:03 |
| schestowitz | militiaBad(TM) | Jan 02 01:03 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Japan is over 200%. | Jan 02 01:03 |
| schestowitz | yes, i was just about to mention Japan | Jan 02 01:03 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The nation isn't on the verge of coming apart though. | Jan 02 01:03 |
| schestowitz | and they lose lots of money on the IOC 'festival' | Jan 02 01:03 |
| schestowitz | no "games" this year either, no way | Jan 02 01:03 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Lots of suicide in Japan. | Jan 02 01:03 |
| schestowitz | I read some blogs from there | Jan 02 01:04 |
| schestowitz | you live in a shoebox | Jan 02 01:04 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Seems to be a culture of if you fail you're expected to off yourself. | Jan 02 01:04 |
| schestowitz | somewhere like Tokyo | Jan 02 01:04 |
| schestowitz | where you get buries in a 'drawer' if you die | Jan 02 01:04 |
| schestowitz | and they tell you to stay home | Jan 02 01:04 |
| schestowitz | i.e. inside your shoebox | Jan 02 01:04 |
| schestowitz | you too would get depressed | Jan 02 01:04 |
| schestowitz | not going to work, where people are workaholic and associate life with work | Jan 02 01:05 |
| schestowitz | one-room apartments with buffers as separators (bad, kitchenette)... like your motel room | Jan 02 01:05 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Yeah, that seemed to be part of Maricel's mad obsession with how much she worked. | Jan 02 01:05 |
| schestowitz | rural japan is also densely populated, so you don't get that much choice | Jan 02 01:05 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Most people see time at work as wasted being away from family and what they'd rather be doing. | Jan 02 01:05 |
| DaemonFC[m] | A necessary evil in exchange for money. | Jan 02 01:06 |
| schestowitz | they forget what life is for | Jan 02 01:06 |
| schestowitz | it's not for making monet | Jan 02 01:06 |
| schestowitz | money is a way to get by | Jan 02 01:06 |
| schestowitz | and to generally contribute back to society | Jan 02 01:06 |
| schestowitz | see American Psycho | Jan 02 01:06 |
| schestowitz | brb | Jan 02 01:06 |
| schestowitz | need to hand over | Jan 02 01:06 |
| schestowitz | just finished my shift at work | Jan 02 01:06 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Oh I already saw Filipino Psycho Mark in their white BMW nosing around the motel where were at. | Jan 02 01:07 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Looking for Mandy... | Jan 02 01:07 |
| DaemonFC[m] | She's been poking around trying to figure out where he is so she can get him in a corner and threaten him or something I guess. | Jan 02 01:07 |
| DaemonFC[m] | My reading of this is that if she's really managed to slip out of her affidavit of support and she's disowned him, why would she care where he is? | Jan 02 01:08 |
| schestowitz | keep a distance | Jan 02 01:08 |
| schestowitz | the psychos are cornered now | Jan 02 01:08 |
| schestowitz | unable to keep up with their "lifestyle" | Jan 02 01:08 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I'm not at all certain that the government did let them out of that affidavit, Roy. | Jan 02 01:09 |
| DaemonFC[m] | If they didn't, they're stuck agreeing to personally insure that he won't be a public charge if they grant his green card. | Jan 02 01:10 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So of course they'd be panicking and trying to get to him if that's the case. | Jan 02 01:10 |
| DaemonFC[m] | And they also would have wasted the money they paid the lawyer to fill out those papers. | Jan 02 01:11 |
| schestowitz | you'll be fine | Jan 02 01:11 |
| schestowitz | wait and see | Jan 02 01:11 |
| schestowitz | they look for easy targets | Jan 02 01:11 |
| schestowitz | the IRS does too | Jan 02 01:11 |
| schestowitz | no lack of easy prey for Immigration Services or whatever they're called in your state/country | Jan 02 01:12 |
| schestowitz | right now LOOOOOOADS of easy targets | Jan 02 01:12 |
| schestowitz | unemployed couples | Jan 02 01:12 |
| schestowitz | living on government cheques | Jan 02 01:12 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: That's probably why USCIS reopened in the middle of this. | Jan 02 01:12 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Drag everyone in there while the economy is bad. | Jan 02 01:12 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Say "Oh, no income.... Byeeeee!". | Jan 02 01:12 |
| *birkoff has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) | Jan 02 01:13 | |
| schestowitz | yus | Jan 02 01:13 |
| schestowitz | basically that | Jan 02 01:13 |
| schestowitz | make sure that until the interview he keeps that promotion | Jan 02 01:13 |
| DaemonFC[m] | There's three main agencies in charge of immigration here. USCIS, ICE, and DOS. | Jan 02 01:13 |
| schestowitz | and then it looks like Essential Worker | Jan 02 01:13 |
| schestowitz | DOS? | Jan 02 01:13 |
| schestowitz | lol | Jan 02 01:13 |
| schestowitz | Dumb Operation Systems | Jan 02 01:14 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Department of State handles immigrations applying from outside the country, USCIS is for inside, and ICE is the enforcement and removal division. | Jan 02 01:14 |
| schestowitz | I think mandy should keep quiet in the interview | Jan 02 01:15 |
| schestowitz | unless asked directly | Jan 02 01:15 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: Well, several attorneys have told me no reason to panic. Just fill out a new affidavit of support with the sponsor/household member contract rider and all of the income verification stuff, and file it at the interview. | Jan 02 01:15 |
| schestowitz | and even then reply briefly | Jan 02 01:15 |
| schestowitz | both of you ought to say as little as possible | Jan 02 01:15 |
| schestowitz | the more you say, the more they have for rejection | Jan 02 01:16 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Yeah, one of the last things the lady at Catholic Charities told me is say as little as possible in there. | Jan 02 01:16 |
| schestowitz | let the paper be the only basis, then you're safe | Jan 02 01:16 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Yes/No answers if possible. | Jan 02 01:16 |
| schestowitz | if not sure, say you need to think about it | Jan 02 01:16 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Someone he works with just went through the interview. | Jan 02 01:16 |
| DaemonFC[m] | She says they were fairly nice to her and it took about 20 minutes. | Jan 02 01:17 |
| schestowitz | they go through checklists | Jan 02 01:17 |
| schestowitz | just "doing their job" | Jan 02 01:17 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I can't really get our state ID cards updated. | Jan 02 01:18 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The state government shut down the DMV for a couple of months and now everything is so backed up that even if they really do reopen in 4 days, people will be wrapped around Waukegan trying to get things renewed, in the snow and cold. | Jan 02 01:18 |
| schestowitz | that should not be an issue | Jan 02 01:19 |
| schestowitz | if you explain that | Jan 02 01:19 |
| schestowitz | anyway, don't worry | Jan 02 01:19 |
| schestowitz | you will be fine, I'm sure | Jan 02 01:19 |
| schestowitz | they have much better "bad" people to meet quotas with | Jan 02 01:19 |
| DaemonFC[m] | True. I saw other people over the years when no emergency was going on, who said they didn't have the current address but brought leases and utility bills and stuff. | Jan 02 01:20 |
| DaemonFC[m] | None of them had problems, so I'm sure they'll give us some leeway here. | Jan 02 01:20 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Nobody gets to have exactly what they want (or need) all the time, life's a mess. Do everything you can. | Jan 02 01:21 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Most of it goes through. | Jan 02 01:21 |
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| schestowitz | > zdnet incorrect about intel adoption of CoC | Jan 02 01:23 |
| DaemonFC[m] | "This retreat to the right by socialist public intellectuals and politicians revealed a profound lack of confidence in the viability of their professed politics. It also displayed a naiveté about the immediate danger posed by the neoliberal Democrats on the life-or-death issues of climate, poverty, racism, and war." | Jan 02 01:23 |
| schestowitz | THANKS! | Jan 02 01:23 |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/2021/01/01/intel-exposed/ | Jan 02 01:23 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | InteLeaks: An Introduction | Techrights | Jan 02 01:24 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | No, he's wrong. Trump was actively pushing to sabotage environmental regulations, even when sabotaging them also made no economic sense at all. | Jan 02 01:24 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Reducing the fuel economy of vehicles puts us in a worse spot economically and as far as national security go. | Jan 02 01:24 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Consumer spending is most of the economy and when gas prices are high, it crowds out spending in areas that create more employment in the US economy than oil "production". | Jan 02 01:25 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Even worse, it drives up imports, sending our money to mostly arab countries. | Jan 02 01:25 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So long before you even get to the climate, gas guzzlers are bad for the economy and national security. | Jan 02 01:26 |
| DaemonFC[m] | But Trump knocked over the fuel economy standards because it played to the far-right, which hates the environment and can't even consider how this hurts them. | Jan 02 01:26 |
| schestowitz | [01:25] <DaemonFC[m]> Consumer spending is most of the economy and when gas prices are high, it crowds out spending in areas that create more employment in the US economy than oil "production". | Jan 02 01:28 |
| schestowitz | ha, the nature makes oil | Jan 02 01:28 |
| schestowitz | humans refine and subdivide the crude oil | Jan 02 01:29 |
| schestowitz | the far-right as you call it can recruit and attract unemployable derilicts | Jan 02 01:30 |
| schestowitz | the depression+trump was a boon to them | Jan 02 01:30 |
| schestowitz | people who have little or nothing to lose | Jan 02 01:30 |
| schestowitz | like your parents, I think | Jan 02 01:30 |
| schestowitz | whose pension fund, if any, isn't secured at all | Jan 02 01:30 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They still can't figure out why Trump lost. | Jan 02 01:41 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Hell, my dad doesn't even acknowledge that there was an election. | Jan 02 01:42 |
| DaemonFC[m] | He's going with Chinese-ballots in a food truck. | Jan 02 01:42 |
| DaemonFC[m] | https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/nancy-pelosis-san-francisco-home-vandalized-with-pigs-head-message-about-242k-stimulus-checks-reports/ar-BB1cpmE6 | Jan 02 01:43 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.msn.com | Nancy Pelosi's San Francisco home vandalized with pig's head, message about $2k stimulus checks: Reports | Jan 02 01:43 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | John Dennis, chairman of the San Francisco Republican party, who ran against Pelosi in California’s 12th Congressional District in November, took a picture of the garage, which has since been covered up, and blamed “the violent left”. | Jan 02 01:44 |
| DaemonFC[m] | “Lunatics leave pigs head & graffiti at Nancy Pelosi’s house,” he tweeted. | Jan 02 01:44 |
| DaemonFC[m] | He added: “Dems like Pelosi will learn sooner or later: you cannot appease the violent left.” | Jan 02 01:44 |
| DaemonFC[m] | ---- | Jan 02 01:44 |
| schestowitz | why pig's head? | Jan 02 01:44 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Like, where would you even get a pig's head? | Jan 02 01:44 |
| schestowitz | from .ph | Jan 02 01:44 |
| schestowitz | they present these | Jan 02 01:44 |
| schestowitz | as food | Jan 02 01:44 |
| schestowitz | but... | Jan 02 01:44 |
| schestowitz | pelosi sound itaian/catholics to me | Jan 02 01:44 |
| schestowitz | the pig's head thing you'd do on a Muslim | Jan 02 01:45 |
| schestowitz | as happened here before | Jan 02 01:45 |
| schestowitz | the left does not loathe pelosi | Jan 02 01:45 |
| schestowitz | she is hardly the main perceived enemy | Jan 02 01:46 |
| schestowitz | she's a centrist, but the left has other priorities | Jan 02 01:46 |
| schestowitz | seems like GOP muddies the water | Jan 02 01:46 |
| schestowitz | by turning its racist/facist agenda into a debate/controversy | Jan 02 01:46 |
| DaemonFC[m] | "Your PSA birth certificate will be delivered in 3-5 working days after payment for Metro Manila residents and 4-9 working days for other cities and provinces. It will take 6-8 weeks for foreign addresses." | Jan 02 01:46 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Ugh. | Jan 02 01:46 |
| schestowitz | as if anyone will believe leftists target pelosi, whose party ousts the fascists this month | Jan 02 01:46 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: letter? or email | Jan 02 01:47 |
| schestowitz | if letter, then you can show to USCIS | Jan 02 01:47 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They aren't delivering with USPS lately. | Jan 02 01:47 |
| schestowitz | they can say, "OK, corona, sent it to us when you get it" | Jan 02 01:47 |
| DaemonFC[m] | We have one certified copy. | Jan 02 01:47 |
| schestowitz | *send | Jan 02 01:48 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I made photocopies on legal sized paper in case immigration will accept that after inspecting the original. | Jan 02 01:48 |
| schestowitz | better than people who have no certs or cannot afford to have copies issued at all | Jan 02 01:48 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Nobody on the left is targeting Nancy Pelosi. | Jan 02 01:48 |
| schestowitz | it makes no sense | Jan 02 01:48 |
| DaemonFC[m] | This was done by some right wing nut. | Jan 02 01:48 |
| schestowitz | I consider myself the real left (ish) | Jan 02 01:48 |
| schestowitz | " the violent left.”" | Jan 02 01:48 |
| schestowitz | What is "the violent left"? | Jan 02 01:48 |
| schestowitz | anarchists? | Jan 02 01:49 |
| schestowitz | they're not even left | Jan 02 01:49 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Well, the far-right has "rallies" where they expect to provoke the "far left" into "starting it". | Jan 02 01:49 |
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| schestowitz | they just join some protests and cause chaos at times | Jan 02 01:49 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Then they never do and they just go home. | Jan 02 01:49 |
| schestowitz | "the violent left" - whatever that is - isn't taking over federal buildings using semi-automatic rifles | Jan 02 01:50 |
| schestowitz | it is not storming mosques and synagogues | Jan 02 01:50 |
| schestowitz | and you would struggle to find even ONE instance of death (not punch in face) by "the violent left.” | Jan 02 01:50 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Most people on the left have professional jobs. | Jan 02 01:50 |
| schestowitz | so the GOP is becoming a laughing stock now | Jan 02 01:50 |
| DaemonFC[m] | In fact, if you don't want Republican co-workers, do something with some skill. | Jan 02 01:51 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The more skill, the less of them there will be. | Jan 02 01:51 |
| schestowitz | not many of them here | Jan 02 01:51 |
| schestowitz | my boss is a trump supporter | Jan 02 01:51 |
| schestowitz | but I think he's OK with others not agreeing | Jan 02 01:51 |
| schestowitz | there are those, too | Jan 02 01:52 |
| schestowitz | Trump supporters are also accustomed to being ridiculed | Jan 02 01:52 |
| schestowitz | another copy of this... https://www.chicagotribune.com/consumer-reviews/sns-nyt-amazon-abstainers-20210101-af4l5hmcbjhipf55k7uv2bprly-story.html | Jan 02 01:53 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.chicagotribune.com | Life without Amazon (well, almost) - Chicago Tribune | Jan 02 01:53 | |
| schestowitz | RMS mentioned in there | Jan 02 01:53 |
| schestowitz | original from nytimes | Jan 02 01:53 |
| schestowitz | Me on someone: > There may be anger management issues... | Jan 02 01:55 |
| schestowitz | Wow, that sure triggered some people... | Jan 02 01:55 |
| schestowitz | never accuse the angry of being... well, angry | Jan 02 01:56 |
| schestowitz | it will never help | Jan 02 01:56 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: when is the interview? | Jan 02 01:58 |
| schestowitz | be sure to project confidence, like you'd appeal a rejection | Jan 02 01:58 |
| schestowitz | and try to pass on hard questions, don't hand them rope to hang you with | Jan 02 01:58 |
| schestowitz | appeal with decision overturned makes them look bad and can get them demoted. They don't want that. | Jan 02 02:00 |
| schestowitz | Dear Roy, | Jan 02 02:11 |
| schestowitz | my apologises for not answering your answer to my mail about anonymously communicating with the EPO. | Jan 02 02:12 |
| schestowitz | As as a special xxxxxxxx present, I bring you today an insight to well hidden side of the EPO: the xxxxx. | Jan 02 02:12 |
| schestowitz | I forgot quote/indentation | Jan 02 02:12 |
| schestowitz | BTW | Jan 02 02:12 |
| schestowitz | we plan to make a document drop facility | Jan 02 02:12 |
| schestowitz | Ariadne: when we have ssl set up, we'll make leaking easier | Jan 02 02:12 |
| schestowitz | we'll write our own toll | Jan 02 02:12 |
| schestowitz | a k.i.s.s. type | Jan 02 02:12 |
| schestowitz | if email gets rectified on that IP address/domain name/server, we'll have blog comments working again for the first time in years (except by people who had a blog account for ages) | Jan 02 02:13 |
| schestowitz | I thought verification or lack of it was the main culprit, you've mentioned reverse dns instead | Jan 02 02:14 |
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| schestowitz | " | Jan 02 02:24 |
| schestowitz | Hi Roy, | Jan 02 02:24 |
| schestowitz | Happy New Year! | Jan 02 02:24 |
| schestowitz | Thanks for retweeting my predictions for 2021. | Jan 02 02:24 |
| schestowitz | Please don't attribute this to me | Jan 02 02:24 |
| schestowitz | " | Jan 02 02:24 |
| schestowitz | unrelated to the above | Jan 02 02:25 |
| schestowitz | " | Jan 02 02:25 |
| schestowitz | Best regards, | Jan 02 02:25 |
| schestowitz | xxxx | Jan 02 02:25 |
| schestowitz | Cheers! | Jan 02 02:25 |
| schestowitz | " | Jan 02 02:25 |
| DaemonFC[m] | <schestowitz "DaemonFC: when is the interview?"> 26th | Jan 02 02:32 |
| DaemonFC[m] | There's really no appeal. All you can do is ask them to reopen the case because they made a mistake about something in the denial letter. | Jan 02 02:33 |
| DaemonFC[m] | But as soon as they deny it, they give the immigrant so many days to leave. | Jan 02 02:33 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Some run, but with no legal ability to work, options are limited, and they may get caught someday. | Jan 02 02:33 |
| DaemonFC[m] | If you try to stay unlawfully and they catch you down the road, they can bar you from re-entering. Maybe forever. They track immigrants with "biometrics". | Jan 02 02:35 |
| DaemonFC[m] | And they want those updated just about every time you file for a major benefit or something from them. | Jan 02 02:35 |
| DaemonFC[m] | If you don't go to an application support center for your biometrics appointment, or don't pay the additional biometrics fee, they'll deny the entire case and keep your filing fee. | Jan 02 02:36 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: Since we've been married less than 2 years, they'd approve him for conditional residency. | Jan 02 02:37 |
| DaemonFC[m] | If you don't file to get the conditions removed and the card expires in two years, they demand that you leave the country immediately. | Jan 02 02:37 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Your options are pretty limited until you get a permanent card. | Jan 02 02:37 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The permanent cards expire every 10 years, but they won't deport you for it and they still have to let you back in, but there are consequences for not renewing it. | Jan 02 02:38 |
| schestowitz | ok | Jan 02 02:40 |
| schestowitz | I am writing about a leak at the moment | Jan 02 02:40 |
| schestowitz | would you help me proofread it? | Jan 02 02:40 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | Yeah. | Jan 02 03:14 |
| XRevan86 | Doctor Who is bumming me down so much. While TV series entertainment in general is getting more sophisticated the last decade, Doctor Who somehow managed to devolve. Cheaper, sillier, cornier. | Jan 02 03:15 |
| XRevan86 | I don't need to check to know that the ratings are plummeting. | Jan 02 03:15 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: thanks! quick, let's catch typos: http://techrights.org/2021/01/01/sap-pensioners-epo/ | Jan 02 03:18 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | New Leak: Today’s EPO Breaks Its Contract With Former Staff of the EPO, Not Just Existing Staff | Techrights | Jan 02 03:18 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | "tragically enough supports the oppressor" | Jan 02 03:20 |
| DaemonFC[m] | tragically supports the oppressors | Jan 02 03:20 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Reads better | Jan 02 03:20 |
| DaemonFC[m] | "Existing EPO workers barely or rarely sense like they can rely" | Jan 02 03:21 |
| DaemonFC[m] | feel that they can rely | Jan 02 03:21 |
| DaemonFC[m] | "employer is doing down the drain or right into an ashtray." | Jan 02 03:21 |
| DaemonFC[m] | "employer is circling the drain" and leave it at that probably reads better. | Jan 02 03:21 |
| DaemonFC[m] | "Some people have worked for the EPO for as long as 4 decades (sometimes slightly more)." | Jan 02 03:22 |
| DaemonFC[m] | No mistakes, but my dad lost his pension at RCA when Thomson took over. | Jan 02 03:22 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They let it accumulate for a while and then took the money out of the fund right before laying people off. | Jan 02 03:23 |
| schestowitz | [03:22] <DaemonFC[m]> No mistakes, but my dad lost his pension at RCA when Thomson took over. | Jan 02 03:24 |
| schestowitz | yes, never trust speculative things | Jan 02 03:24 |
| schestowitz | promises are cheap | Jan 02 03:24 |
| schestowitz | and nobody enforces them | Jan 02 03:24 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I told my mom that if there's an option with her pension from the Catholic church to take a lump sum and buy an annuity with it, then she might be better off with that. | Jan 02 03:25 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The difference with the lump sum/annuity is that you definitely got the check for the lump sum and then the annuity works like an insurance policy. | Jan 02 03:25 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's an option that the federal government offers workers. | Jan 02 03:26 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Once it's the problem of Metlife or something, then if Congress screws over your retirement benefits again, it doesn't affect you. | Jan 02 03:27 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Likewise, the Catholic church raids pension funds and everything it can all the time. | Jan 02 03:27 |
| DaemonFC[m] | What makes you think it'll be there? Next time they need to pay off some abused young men, there goes your retirement. | Jan 02 03:28 |
| schestowitz | refresh page | Jan 02 03:28 |
| schestowitz | I made your amendement | Jan 02 03:28 |
| schestowitz | also added some corrections further down | Jan 02 03:28 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: "They’re entitled, contractually, to what they receive." | Jan 02 03:29 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Might add, the rich like to say "entitlements" as a slur. | Jan 02 03:31 |
| schestowitz | will add | Jan 02 03:31 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Like, "These people think they're entitled to something.". | Jan 02 03:31 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They do it with Social Security over here. | Jan 02 03:32 |
| DaemonFC[m] | "We need to shore up 'entitlement programs'." | Jan 02 03:32 |
| schestowitz | refresh page | Jan 02 03:32 |
| schestowitz | I mention you by name | Jan 02 03:32 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Like, god damn it. They took your paycheck money for 50 years and now you want some of it back. | Jan 02 03:32 |
| DaemonFC[m] | "entitled" | Jan 02 03:32 |
| schestowitz | lol | Jan 02 03:33 |
| schestowitz | tax "breaks" | Jan 02 03:33 |
| schestowitz | they legalise tax crimes | Jan 02 03:33 |
| schestowitz | but when the crimes were committed there was no break/jubilee | Jan 02 03:33 |
| schestowitz | so they buy politicians | Jan 02 03:33 |
| schestowitz | to give them "free from jail" cards | Jan 02 03:33 |
| schestowitz | then they tell us, | Jan 02 03:33 |
| schestowitz | "well..." | Jan 02 03:33 |
| schestowitz | "it's the law" | Jan 02 03:34 |
| schestowitz | never mind who bought this new law that makes crimes "breaks" | Jan 02 03:34 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Yeah, the Coronavirus bill created a new tax break for the rich. | Jan 02 03:34 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Now they can fully deduct outrageous business lunches that they could only deduct at half the expense rate before. | Jan 02 03:34 |
| schestowitz | that | Jan 02 03:34 |
| schestowitz | and copyright 'reform' | Jan 02 03:34 |
| schestowitz | making it a crime for the general public to do things | Jan 02 03:35 |
| schestowitz | rich people's crimes legalised | Jan 02 03:35 |
| schestowitz | lawful public activity like memes and streaming... not a serious felony | Jan 02 03:35 |
| schestowitz | with arrest | Jan 02 03:35 |
| schestowitz | in a "MUST-PASS" bill | Jan 02 03:35 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Yes, "reform" meaning lowering the bar for the rich to sue poor people over a few MP3s or something for outrageous sums that are thousands of times what they can rationally argue was "lost". | Jan 02 03:35 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The RIAA was suing people and getting $60 and $80 MILLION dollar verdicts, over like 26 MP3 files or something that were $1 each on an MP3 store. | Jan 02 03:36 |
| DaemonFC[m] | And all of their victims took the judgment straight to bankruptcy court and the RIAA bled itself dry losing the lawyer fees to sue people with. | Jan 02 03:37 |
| DaemonFC[m] | This won't be any different. Name anyone who will not file bankruptcy after they get a stack of $30,000 verdicts from some arbitrators who aren't even judges and juries. | Jan 02 03:37 |
| schestowitz | fear-making | Jan 02 03:37 |
| schestowitz | I forgot the name of the lady and her "Prince" dancing toddler | Jan 02 03:38 |
| DaemonFC[m] | How can it even be legal for someone who isn't a judge to do something that harms you that most people can't respond to or appeal into a real court? | Jan 02 03:38 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It'll be Revenge of the Porn Trolls, you know. They'll love this. | Jan 02 03:38 |
| schestowitz | when I upload somthing to YouTube google sometimes issues copyright warnings | Jan 02 03:39 |
| schestowitz | they're automated | Jan 02 03:39 |
| schestowitz | and I suppose they alert "holders" about some sound that matches a pattern | Jan 02 03:39 |
| schestowitz | it's good that techrights now self-hosted everything, without copies | Jan 02 03:39 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I was getting them delivered to me by Comcrap from "RightsCorp". | Jan 02 03:39 |
| schestowitz | so we can judge DMCA on our own | Jan 02 03:39 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | Comcrap did at least strip the original complaint and take out the links to the demand for settlements. | Jan 02 03:39 |
| DaemonFC[m] | What they would do is send you a few "settlement" offers and if you identified yourself and paid them, you'd get the dozens more they had been sitting on as well. | Jan 02 03:40 |
| schestowitz | hmm | Jan 02 03:43 |
| schestowitz | they could even make false claims | Jan 02 03:43 |
| schestowitz | and out of fear of dispute some might pay to settle | Jan 02 03:43 |
| schestowitz | reminds me of UK TV Licensing tactics | Jan 02 03:43 |
| schestowitz | we still get threatening letters from them | Jan 02 03:43 |
| schestowitz | I've not had a TV set for 19 or 20 years | Jan 02 03:43 |
| schestowitz | The bulletin and ipfs automation seems to have worked today. No issues. Just had to space out the cron jobs a bit. | Jan 02 03:45 |
| psydroid | I'm reading this PR from Intel now, which doesn't have anything to do with Microsoft | Jan 02 03:45 |
| psydroid | https://newsroom.intel.com/news/intel-qutech-unveil-details-first-cryogenic-quantum-computing-control-chip-horse-ridge/ | Jan 02 03:45 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-newsroom.intel.com | Intel and QuTech Unveil Details of First Cryogenic Quantum Computing Control Chip, ‘Horse Ridge’ | Intel Newsroom | Jan 02 03:45 | |
| schestowitz | Quantum LOL | Jan 02 03:45 |
| schestowitz | Quantum Security | Jan 02 03:46 |
| schestowitz | smartQuantum | Jan 02 03:46 |
| schestowitz | Quantum clowns | Jan 02 03:46 |
| schestowitz | Quantum apps | Jan 02 03:46 |
| schestowitz | Quantum Encryption | Jan 02 03:46 |
| schestowitz | QuantumQuantum(TM) | Jan 02 03:46 |
| schestowitz | if it's Quantum, it's new and powerful | Jan 02 03:46 |
| schestowitz | like ProtonMail | Jan 02 03:46 |
| schestowitz | just physics something | Jan 02 03:46 |
| schestowitz | QuantumAnon :-) | Jan 02 03:46 |
| psydroid | But somehow Microsoft still managed to weasel itself into the lab, porting what? Windows for Quantum Computers? | Jan 02 03:46 |
| schestowitz | wait, we have not leaked anything yet | Jan 02 03:47 |
| schestowitz | I can start today | Jan 02 03:47 |
| schestowitz | but am still gathering more material about it | Jan 02 03:47 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft is more than Windows | Jan 02 03:48 |
| psydroid | I am just giving you what more or less stumbled upon and may give you some more avenues for information | Jan 02 03:48 |
| schestowitz | thanks | Jan 02 03:49 |
| schestowitz | do you want to collaborate on InteLeaks? | Jan 02 03:49 |
| psydroid | I know and they may actually do some research worth a damn | Jan 02 03:49 |
| schestowitz | I can give you prior glimpse for comment/analysis | Jan 02 03:49 |
| schestowitz | sometimes when they know bad PR is coming or bad publicity they drown out the signal with fluff | Jan 02 03:50 |
| schestowitz | EPO does it all the time | Jan 02 03:50 |
| schestowitz | they also misuse particular topics and keywords to obfuscate the signal | Jan 02 03:50 |
| schestowitz | so people cannot find what they actually look for | Jan 02 03:50 |
| psydroid | I'm not sure I have intimate knowledge of the company and its dealings, but I've known about the things you mentioned in the first article for almost 2 decades | Jan 02 03:50 |
| schestowitz | for instance, you show IBM's racist roots | Jan 02 03:51 |
| schestowitz | and then IBM starts a PR campaign about how it's antiracist | Jan 02 03:51 |
| schestowitz | or how it uses "HEY HI" to spy on blacks | Jan 02 03:51 |
| schestowitz | and then they bombard media about how IBM researches "bias" in HEY HI | Jan 02 03:51 |
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| schestowitz | "Some folks out there use dedicated writing programs geared towards authors but I am using Visual Studio Code and the novel package on CTAN as well as the markdown package on CTAN." | Jan 02 03:52 |
| schestowitz | http://coyote.works//posts/Firsties20210101/ | Jan 02 03:52 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-coyote.works | Start of Year: 2021 | Jan 02 03:52 | |
| schestowitz | just now | Jan 02 03:52 |
| schestowitz | another one of those MSVS fools | Jan 02 03:52 |
| schestowitz | with "code" | Jan 02 03:52 |
| schestowitz | proprietary | Jan 02 03:52 |
| schestowitz | and poison pill | Jan 02 03:52 |
| schestowitz | Intel has those fools in it | Jan 02 03:52 |
| schestowitz | that's part of the issue | Jan 02 03:52 |
| schestowitz | shithub is another | Jan 02 03:52 |
| schestowitz | they have some pro-Microsoft 'moles' in there | Jan 02 03:53 |
| psydroid | I had a lot of those tools installed at some point, but never did anything with them | Jan 02 03:53 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft is trying to put its VS 'cultists' inside dev communities | Jan 02 03:53 |
| schestowitz | to supposed use of things like Eclipse | Jan 02 03:53 |
| psydroid | So last year I took the whole install and put it in a virtual machine | Jan 02 03:53 |
| schestowitz | Ghacks posting Microsoft spam minutes ago https://www.ghacks.net/2021/01/01/you-can-still-upgrade-windows-7-and-8-1-systems-to-windows-10-for-free/ | Jan 02 03:54 |
| psydroid | While reinstalling my host from scratch | Jan 02 03:54 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.ghacks.net | You can still upgrade Windows 7 and 8.1 systems to Windows 10 for free - gHacks Tech News | Jan 02 03:54 | |
| schestowitz | spam disguised as article | Jan 02 03:54 |
| schestowitz | marketing | Jan 02 03:54 |
| psydroid | I'm wondering how Microsoft pays all of these sites | Jan 02 03:55 |
| psydroid | No company has an unlimited budget for these things | Jan 02 03:55 |
| schestowitz | yes, I was about to say... | Jan 02 03:57 |
| schestowitz | I also reused my irc rant https://joindiaspora.com/posts/19782525 | Jan 02 03:58 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #Ghacks posting #Microsoft spam minutes ago... spam disguised as article. Mindless #marketing ... makes you wonder if or how Microsoft pays to corrupt this otherwise decent site. | Jan 02 03:58 | |
| schestowitz | they're a marketing and lawyers company more often than not | Jan 02 03:58 |
| schestowitz | but... | Jan 02 03:58 |
| schestowitz | we'll have some useful leaks to show soon/later today | Jan 02 03:58 |
| schestowitz | not sure which part to logically go with first | Jan 02 03:58 |
| schestowitz | also, starting on a weekend after nye isn't ideal | Jan 02 03:58 |
| schestowitz | but I don't want to be backlogged | Jan 02 03:59 |
| mjg59 | Someone would need to be paid to write an article telling people they can update an OS that no longer receives security updates to one that does for free? | Jan 02 03:59 |
| *schestowitz ignores BS | Jan 02 04:00 | |
| schestowitz | psydroid: seems EPO and FS have overlaps now | Jan 02 04:01 |
| schestowitz | because they read techrights | Jan 02 04:01 |
| schestowitz | "I got myself a cup of coffee so I can respond in length. If any of this is published, it'll be in redacted form (to sensibly disguise sources etc.) although I doubt much of this belongs in the public domain for transparency anyway (I judge public interest and privacy on a per word/sentence basis). IPFS and WWW have lots in them (originating in Techrights), but sometimes it's intentionally unclear who said what, esp. when it comes to | Jan 02 04:01 |
| schestowitz | EPO articles. It's the information that's important. We'll publish EPO leaks soon. RMS is widely respected among EPO workers, who still recall speeches he gave at their protests and strikes. Some EPO insiders tell me that they learn about Free software in Techrights and agree on almost everything... though they read the site for the EPO articles (at least originally). Until a year or two ago we focused on patents. Focus shifted because | Jan 02 04:01 |
| schestowitz | of the slow-progressing coup, accelerated a great deal after the August 2019 Gates-gate at MIT. Many people lost sight of the original scandals; I know a thing or two about how PR agencies think and methods for shifting public attention (EPO does this a lot)." | Jan 02 04:01 |
| schestowitz | About 15 years ago I think I read about CompTIA attacking him over it. We know who sponsors CompTIA. | Jan 02 04:01 |
| schestowitz | mjg59 is part of the said agenda | Jan 02 04:02 |
| schestowitz | incidentally | Jan 02 04:02 |
| mjg59 | I am? | Jan 02 04:03 |
| schestowitz | "Thanks for speaking out in defence of what shockingly enough was being portrayed as the very opposite of what it is. I say "shockingly", but actually I often joke with my wife (for >years< now!) about how whatever I say can be totally twisted. M. Garrett (now at Google; Torvalds hates his guts for the coup attempts) has been 'parking' in our IRC channels for months now, having publicly described the site as pro-rape or something ( | Jan 02 04:03 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft propagandists "liked" those tweets). I guess distortions should be expected. Anyone who defends the >views< of RMS (never mind RMS himself) is a target. We have seen a certain someone from Salesforce saying so explicitly. And no... it's not about women. It's about the perceptions he's spreading online about monopolies, proprietary software etc. (think #RMSWasRight)" | Jan 02 04:03 |
| schestowitz | mjg59: you're not spoken about favourably | Jan 02 04:03 |
| schestowitz | there's a sentiment that you provoke for coups | Jan 02 04:03 |
| schestowitz | a sentiment shared by me personally | Jan 02 04:03 |
| mjg59 | I had an extremely reasonable conversation with Linus last time I saw him (after he'd taken his break) | Jan 02 04:03 |
| schestowitz | the break you lobbied for | Jan 02 04:04 |
| schestowitz | you wanted to fork his project | Jan 02 04:04 |
| schestowitz | and made statements against him | Jan 02 04:04 |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/2015/10/07/forking-with-hypocrisy/ | Jan 02 04:04 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Hypocrite Forks the Linux Kernel Because of Cultural Characteristics That He Himself is Guilty of | Techrights | Jan 02 04:04 | |
| schestowitz | forked on proprietary software LOL | Jan 02 04:04 |
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| schestowitz | a year after Microsoft planned to buy GitHub mjg59.dreamwidth.org/32778.html | Jan 02 04:05 |
| mjg59 | Yeah, I stopped working on the upstream kernel because I was bored of the degree of abuse tolerated in the community | Jan 02 04:05 |
| schestowitz | "For avoidance of doubt, any comments arguing this point will be replaced with the phrase "Fart fart fart"." | Jan 02 04:05 |
| schestowitz | Grow up :-) | Jan 02 04:05 |
| schestowitz | Google is far more abusive | Jan 02 04:05 |
| schestowitz | I can share links with you | Jan 02 04:05 |
| mjg59 | I'm sure you can | Jan 02 04:06 |
| schestowitz | but the dollar signs you have for eyes will prevent you from introspection | Jan 02 04:06 |
| schestowitz | anyway | Jan 02 04:06 |
| mjg59 | I'm sure you've also seen me lobbying for Google to change its behaviour | Jan 02 04:06 |
| schestowitz | bye for now | Jan 02 04:06 |
| schestowitz | while taking salary from them | Jan 02 04:06 |
| schestowitz | like military people "change from inside" | Jan 02 04:06 |
| mjg59 | Well, sure | Jan 02 04:06 |
| schestowitz | "will kill, will work to reduce killing" | Jan 02 04:06 |
| mjg59 | I'm paid to write free software | Jan 02 04:06 |
| schestowitz | cya later | Jan 02 04:06 |
| mjg59 | Which has benefits to the wider community | Jan 02 04:07 |
| DaemonFC[m] | <psydroid "No company has an unlimited budg"> It's cheap. | Jan 02 04:08 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Where the hell is SJVN going to get another job? As for Ed Bott? He's been this bad for years. | Jan 02 04:08 |
| schestowitz | relatively speaking | Jan 02 04:08 |
| schestowitz | SJVN is rogue too | Jan 02 04:08 |
| schestowitz | I was sent messages about him hours ago | Jan 02 04:08 |
| schestowitz | he's distorting things | Jan 02 04:08 |
| schestowitz | for Intel | Jan 02 04:08 |
| schestowitz | ZDNet corrupted hinm | Jan 02 04:09 |
| schestowitz | they even deleted parts of his articles | Jan 02 04:09 |
| schestowitz | which he's in denial about | Jan 02 04:09 |
| schestowitz | nowhere else left to work | Jan 02 04:09 |
| schestowitz | Sean Michael Kernel and Christine Hall the same | Jan 02 04:09 |
| schestowitz | they go working for shady "Microsoft loves Linux"-like lying rags | Jan 02 04:09 |
| schestowitz | and they require one to swallow these lies to "play" and get a "cheque" | Jan 02 04:10 |
| schestowitz | it's sad how media sites are now mostly PR companies | Jan 02 04:10 |
| schestowitz | disguises as "news" | Jan 02 04:10 |
| schestowitz | with their "media kits" | Jan 02 04:10 |
| schestowitz | meaning "bribery contracts" | Jan 02 04:10 |
| psydroid | schestowitz, none of this ever becomes clear when you visit these companies' offices (I've been to Google's and Facebook's offices several times), they all think they are doing great things and that's the impression you get as a visitor too, at least initially | Jan 02 04:10 |
| schestowitz | What unified the Free software, myself, and RMS is ideology and philosophy, I suspect beyond technology itself (as technology relates to many other things in life/the world). That includes insistence on integrity ad truth. SJVN lost that. | Jan 02 04:11 |
| schestowitz | he's friends with SPAMnil now | Jan 02 04:11 |
| schestowitz | two corporate spammers | Jan 02 04:11 |
| schestowitz | for "Open Source" | Jan 02 04:11 |
| schestowitz | openwashing the attacks on Free software | Jan 02 04:11 |
| psydroid | it begs the question, is there not enough money in free software? | Jan 02 04:11 |
| schestowitz | [04:10] <psydroid> schestowitz, none of this ever becomes clear when you visit these companies' offices (I've been to Google's and Facebook's offices several times), they all think they are doing great things and that's the impression you get as a visitor too, at least initially | Jan 02 04:12 |
| psydroid | or is it just greed? | Jan 02 04:12 |
| schestowitz | like people work who in camps | Jan 02 04:12 |
| schestowitz | ICE, immigration, etc. | Jan 02 04:12 |
| schestowitz | they just "protect the country" | Jan 02 04:12 |
| schestowitz | psydroid: free software is about lack of monopoly | Jan 02 04:12 |
| schestowitz | so inherently the gains to one entity are few | Jan 02 04:12 |
| schestowitz | the collective benefit is vast | Jan 02 04:12 |
| schestowitz | like 100 million apache users | Jan 02 04:13 |
| schestowitz | but no company called apache | Jan 02 04:13 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft can bribe some people to corrupt ASF | Jan 02 04:13 |
| schestowitz | and then outsource the whole thing to shithub, as it did | Jan 02 04:13 |
| schestowitz | so there's this managerial vulnerabilityu | Jan 02 04:13 |
| schestowitz | and one solution is to decentralise | Jan 02 04:13 |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/2019/04/29/asf-prisoner-of-microsoft/ | Jan 02 04:14 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | After Killing the Independence of Apache Software Foundation (ASF) Microsoft Steals Its Soul, Too | Techrights | Jan 02 04:14 | |
| schestowitz | this way it's harder to corrupt and bribe | Jan 02 04:14 |
| schestowitz | because they need consent from several consortia at the same time | Jan 02 04:14 |
| schestowitz | and that can be a lot harder and more complicated to conceal | Jan 02 04:14 |
| psydroid | I'm still waiting for the decentralised code repositories the FSF is working on, where everything gets synced to a large number of repositories all over the internet | Jan 02 04:17 |
| schestowitz | I think they said it'd be ready by end of 2020 | Jan 02 04:18 |
| schestowitz | didn't meet that goal/deadline | Jan 02 04:18 |
| schestowitz | and I heard the template code/foundation is gitlab | Jan 02 04:18 |
| psydroid | I'm a bit intrigued by what Matrix developers are doing based on their technology initially used for messaging, but supposed to be usable for a lot more things such as social media and maybe also gitlab-like services | Jan 02 04:22 |
| schestowitz | 'social' media | Jan 02 04:24 |
| schestowitz | they have workers | Jan 02 04:24 |
| schestowitz | and job done | Jan 02 04:24 |
| schestowitz | so they look to keep them doing something | Jan 02 04:24 |
| schestowitz | kitchen sink mentality | Jan 02 04:25 |
| schestowitz | and then it becomes bloated garbage | Jan 02 04:25 |
| schestowitz | like FB, Twitter etc. | Jan 02 04:25 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Google is sabotaging their site if you're on a VPN now. | Jan 02 04:26 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Bing doesn't. | Jan 02 04:26 |
| DaemonFC[m] | With Google, parts of their site just fail to load if you're on a Private Internet Access VPN server. | Jan 02 04:26 |
| psydroid | Google has become pure evil | Jan 02 04:27 |
| schestowitz | their cross browser compat is awful | Jan 02 04:28 |
| schestowitz | even for something like a page with search bar | Jan 02 04:28 |
| schestowitz | Google Search | Jan 02 04:28 |
| schestowitz | in some browsers you can barely use just THAT | Jan 02 04:28 |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/2020/11/03/the-harassment-claims-in-full/ | Jan 02 04:28 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Outreachy as ‘Hush Money’ (Bribe) From Monopolies | Techrights | Jan 02 04:28 | |
| psydroid | they're sabotaging free apps for Android such as NewPipe too now | Jan 02 04:29 |
| psydroid | it worked perfectly until about a month ago | Jan 02 04:29 |
| psydroid | and now it doesn't because of some popup it 'serves' | Jan 02 04:30 |
| psydroid | that's what you get for interfering with advertisers | Jan 02 04:31 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | ublock-origin stops Youtube ads and Sponsorblock skips over the sponsors. | Jan 02 04:32 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Both work in Edge and Firefox. | Jan 02 04:32 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Sponsorblock is crowdsourced so if it doesn't skip over a sponsor, you can help train it to. | Jan 02 04:33 |
| schestowitz | no, better ways exist | Jan 02 04:33 |
| schestowitz | many instances of invidious | Jan 02 04:33 |
| schestowitz | and that generally works well as long as you shuffle when one breaks a little | Jan 02 04:33 |
| schestowitz | no ads, no spying | Jan 02 04:33 |
| schestowitz | (afaik) | Jan 02 04:33 |
| schestowitz | https://invidious.tube/?ckattempt=1 | Jan 02 04:34 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-invidious.tube | Challenge Failed! vDDoS Security | Jan 02 04:34 | |
| schestowitz | https://invidious.xyz/ | Jan 02 04:34 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-invidious.xyz | Invidious | Jan 02 04:34 | |
| schestowitz | https://invidious.site/ | Jan 02 04:34 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-invidious.site | Invidious | Jan 02 04:34 | |
| schestowitz | http://yewtu.be/ | Jan 02 04:34 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-yewtu.be | Invidious | Jan 02 04:34 | |
| schestowitz | you can search there also | Jan 02 04:34 |
| schestowitz | sometimes the APIs break a little | Jan 02 04:35 |
| schestowitz | then you use another instance | Jan 02 04:35 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Yes, Google apparently tries to block searx instances. | Jan 02 04:35 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I'm guessing because they scrape the results and skip over the ad platform. | Jan 02 04:35 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They've done similar things to others in the past. | Jan 02 04:35 |
| schestowitz | 2021 NEW YEAR’S EVE COUNTDOWN DRONE LIGHT SHOW in YEONGDONG-DAERO (SEOUL) | Jan 02 04:36 |
| schestowitz | https://yewtu.be/watch?v=YIs8t3ro9Fw | Jan 02 04:36 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-yewtu.be | 2021 NEW YEAR’S EVE COUNTDOWN DRONE LIGHT SHOW in YEONGDONG-DAERO (SEOUL) - Invidious | Jan 02 04:36 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: Anyway, back to immigration. I'm sure they make it an agonizing process so that few people even try. | Jan 02 04:37 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Things have gotten even worse for people who applied after we did. | Jan 02 04:38 |
| DaemonFC[m] | We're a case that could go either way under the grandfathered rules. | Jan 02 04:38 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It would be DOA under the new rules. | Jan 02 04:38 |
| DaemonFC[m] | First of all, there's more forms to fill out and the burden is no longer on them to prove that you're likely to become a public burden. | Jan 02 04:38 |
| DaemonFC[m] | You have to fill out forms proving that it's more likely than not that they won't and agree to reimburse the government if they take a benefit from an expanded list of them. | Jan 02 04:39 |
| schestowitz | http://ipkitten.blogspot.com/2020/12/sweet-grapes-sour-grapes-or-grapes-of.html?showComment=1609239616427#c6291716410741400400 | Jan 02 04:39 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ipkitten.blogspot.com | Sweet grapes, sour grapes, or the grapes of wrath: what is going on with this collecting society? - The IPKat | Jan 02 04:39 | |
| schestowitz | "I always enjoy Mr Wilkof’s posts, and this one was no exception. More so, it has roused me from the post-Christmas coma. Having advised a collecting society which is a “new kid on the block” and treats the requirement of transparency under the Directive on Collective Rights Management (and the implementing regulations) seriously, we have often come up against the confidentiality barrier when holding to account other collecting | Jan 02 04:39 |
| schestowitz | societies. This is invariably baffling, for two reasons: one, because of what collecting societies are set up to do (as you point out), and two, because the confidentiality mantra is proclaimed as if it came from the holy scriptures. Self-preservation is alive and well… " | Jan 02 04:39 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: I'm not even going to mention the new support affidavit I brought unless they tell me they accepted Maricel's request to revoke hers. | Jan 02 04:40 |
| DaemonFC[m] | If it's going to go over smoothly and keep her on the hook, then why the hell not. | Jan 02 04:40 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's lucky for her that I'm not the kind of person who would abuse that despite the fact that she would have it coming if I did. | Jan 02 04:41 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: People like her don't usually "get what's coming to them" as such, as in something sudden and horrible happens. | Jan 02 04:42 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They usually just plod along on a debt treadmill working their lives away, missing everything that's important, filling the house with crap. | Jan 02 04:42 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I can't imagine a worse hell, honestly. | Jan 02 04:43 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: I might have quoted Luke Skywalker when she told me that I wouldn't know what I'm missing because I "can't buy nice things and live the real life" and that I was just jealous of them, and then Mark chimed in with his paranoid delusions about me wanting their vicious dog to bite me. | Jan 02 04:44 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I said, "That's amazing. Every word you just said was wrong.". | Jan 02 04:44 |
| DaemonFC[m] | What really set her off was learning that I had to file bankruptcy. I found out later that Mark's parents filed bankruptcy, and it was not because of some random unforeseen life disaster. It was fucking Sams Club credit cards and shit. | Jan 02 04:48 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I'm patient. I can wait. | Jan 02 04:49 |
| DaemonFC[m] | When this mess blows over, I'll send her a 5 or 6 page typed letter that insults from start to finish. | Jan 02 04:49 |
| DaemonFC[m] | She thought she was offended before. | Jan 02 04:49 |
| schestowitz | [04:42] <DaemonFC[m]> They usually just plod along on a debt treadmill working their lives away, missing everything that's important, filling the house with crap. | Jan 02 04:51 |
| schestowitz | look up Carlin on "stuff" | Jan 02 04:51 |
| schestowitz | he nailed it | Jan 02 04:51 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I'm used to messes that take years to untangle, so the virus is really nothing new to me. It's just this week's disaster. | Jan 02 04:51 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's background noise. | Jan 02 04:51 |
| schestowitz | it's a collective toll | Jan 02 04:52 |
| schestowitz | if your economy tanks, expect Trumpster to cause you issues | Jan 02 04:52 |
| schestowitz | you don't live in isolation or some island | Jan 02 04:52 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Trump extended his immigration executive orders. | Jan 02 04:52 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I was laughing about it while I was on the phone with mom. | Jan 02 04:52 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I said, "Yeah, extended for 19 days. What a loser.". | Jan 02 04:52 |
| schestowitz | lol | Jan 02 04:53 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I was talking to her about all the charges he faces from New York. | Jan 02 04:53 |
| schestowitz | Bye-DON | Jan 02 04:53 |
| schestowitz | Hello, prison | Jan 02 04:53 |
| DaemonFC[m] | His supporters are going to blow their stack when Fox News has to report that Trump was convicted in a Manhattan courtroom and faces prison time. | Jan 02 04:53 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I was talking to mom. I said, "The absolute disgrace. Not that there were shortages during his term, but now he's the closest a president ever got to going to prison and might actually end up there.". | Jan 02 04:54 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I said, "The only good thing about this over the Philippines is that they certainly won't file charges against Duterte or even try to impeach him, and he'll just somehow keep getting 90% of the vote until he dies, and then they'll have some other asshole just like him. We at least voted our way past it.". | Jan 02 04:55 |
| DaemonFC[m] | She's coming around to the fact that Trump wasn't so great. | Jan 02 04:56 |
| DaemonFC[m] | She's like "Well, I certainly didn't like a lot of things he did." I said, "4 years of disaster and racism and riots, a ruined economy, a plague..... Which parts did you like?". | Jan 02 04:56 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: If it keeps going like this for a few more months we'll have _officially_ lost the population of Wyoming. | Jan 02 04:58 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I mean, how is this not a plague? | Jan 02 04:58 |
| DaemonFC[m] | If something just flat out killed the population of an entire state one day, everyone would be too paralyzed with fear to even move. | Jan 02 04:59 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Everyone knows someone in the hospital with it. Many people know someone who died. | Jan 02 04:59 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I have a second cousin who is about to be put on a ventilator in Fort Wayne. | Jan 02 05:00 |
| DaemonFC[m] | He's getting worse and worse. | Jan 02 05:00 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The only reason my cousins who work in a nursing home that's overrun by it haven't had it is because they have N95 masks, face shields, the whole shebang. | Jan 02 05:01 |
| DaemonFC[m] | But 90% of the residents. The few that have not tested positive, yet, include my grandmother. | Jan 02 05:01 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The lady down at the health department emailed me asking if Mandy and I would like to sign up for the vaccine registry. | Jan 02 05:02 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I told her we did as soon as I learned that there was one. | Jan 02 05:02 |
| DaemonFC[m] | With everything that is going on around me, I'm getting to be more concerned about the virus creeping closer and closer. | Jan 02 05:02 |
| schestowitz | psydroid: http://techrights.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/01/Inside_Intel_Logo.png | Jan 02 05:05 |
| schestowitz | GIMPing :-) | Jan 02 05:05 |
| schestowitz | do you want to preview our post for comment to add? | Jan 02 05:05 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Sure | Jan 02 05:06 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Oh, not me. Sorry. | Jan 02 05:07 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Glasses off. | Jan 02 05:07 |
| schestowitz | you can too | Jan 02 05:07 |
| schestowitz | iirc, psydroid knows Intel from the inside | Jan 02 05:07 |
| schestowitz | wait, let me draft it further | Jan 02 05:07 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Which reminds me...this would be an excellent time for an eye exam. Haven't had one in a couple of years. Of course, I went like 30 years the first time. Except for trips to the DMV. That's America for you. | Jan 02 05:08 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Vision insurance? Just tell me when it's illegal to drive and I'll buy a pair then. | Jan 02 05:08 |
| schestowitz | a few minutes more | Jan 02 05:08 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I get 20% off at the vision center at Walmart. I noticed those Zenni frames that oiaohm was wild about are totally chintzy. | Jan 02 05:09 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Maricel was bragging about spending $1,000 x 2 pairs for all four of them. | Jan 02 05:10 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So $8,000 on eye glasses down at Pearle Vision. | Jan 02 05:10 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: I think being poor has that effect on people sometimes when they get money. | Jan 02 05:11 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Now they're trash with money. | Jan 02 05:11 |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/2021/01/02/in-the-beginning/ | Jan 02 05:12 |
| schestowitz | quick, DaemonFC[m] | Jan 02 05:12 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | InteLeaks – Part I: In the Insides of Intel… | Techrights | Jan 02 05:12 | |
| schestowitz | if you can suggest personal remarks, too, I can still add | Jan 02 05:12 |
| DaemonFC[m] | By introducing Windows dependencies at all,” the associate continues, “they ensure that the lion’s share of the time is spent dorking around unproductively with Windows and causes the team to eventually fail at their primary missions. In those cases, Windows does not have to work, it only has to be present.” | Jan 02 05:15 |
| DaemonFC[m] | --- | Jan 02 05:15 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Well, the LTSC version of Windows 10 has a lot of the ads and stuff disabled and lets you almost completely turn off telemetry, and ignore feature updates until there's a new LTSC. So they're obviously aware that even organizations have their limits as to what is tolerable. | Jan 02 05:16 |
| schestowitz | added | Jan 02 05:17 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The "Professional" version of Windows 10 has all of the annoyances and spyware of the Home Edition, with a few select "Enterprise" features enabled. | Jan 02 05:17 |
| schestowitz | anything else? | Jan 02 05:17 |
| DaemonFC[m] | But it certainly wouldn't be fun or manageable to deploy across an entire company's workstations. | Jan 02 05:17 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It took me hours to get it to stop being such a pain to where it just ran my programs without bothering me to buy Office, use Skype, put my files on their "cloud" where I didn't want them, and get rid of the freemium apps and UI crap that you have to trip over in the file manager just to get to your...files. | Jan 02 05:18 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's hardly surprising they want to steer people to Windows. The same thing is going on with their campaign on ZDNet to appear to undermine the end of their own free upgrade program. | Jan 02 05:19 |
| schestowitz | added. | Jan 02 05:20 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They know that if people are still on Windows 7 or 8, they'll never pay up for a license. Windows 10 is an ad platform and more of a pest that enables "revenue beyond the license sales" and there's gold in those hills if the 200 million or so PCs that nobody ever put it on get the "free" update and start subscribing to things and getting ads. | Jan 02 05:20 |
| schestowitz | saved, refresh. | Jan 02 05:20 |
| schestowitz | hmmm... tuxmachines under ddos for almost 20 mins now | Jan 02 05:22 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Fedora 33 runs surprisingly well. | Jan 02 05:23 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I took the defaults and put it on that laptop I gave to Mandy. | Jan 02 05:23 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It "feels" almost like a Windows computer you could go buy today despite the hardware being 5 years old. | Jan 02 05:23 |
| schestowitz | cool | Jan 02 05:24 |
| schestowitz | I saw some Fedora articles yesterday, more than the usual | Jan 02 05:24 |
| schestowitz | IBM managed to get Lenovo to put Fedora on thinkpads | Jan 02 05:24 |
| schestowitz | I saw about 6 refurbished thinkpads 2 weeks ago | Jan 02 05:24 |
| schestowitz | 199 pounds for each | Jan 02 05:24 |
| schestowitz | tempting, but I already have more hardware than I need | Jan 02 05:24 |
| schestowitz | if I had to gift a good PC, I might buy those, put gnu/linux on them, then give away | Jan 02 05:25 |
| schestowitz | debian buster likely | Jan 02 05:25 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Fedora has gotten better in some ways. | Jan 02 05:25 |
| schestowitz | we already have the CD for it and on SD card the blobs for wifi | Jan 02 05:25 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The upgrade program used to be a complete disaster. | Jan 02 05:25 |
| schestowitz | not anaconda? | Jan 02 05:26 |
| schestowitz | I never used the fedora updater | Jan 02 05:26 |
| DaemonFC[m] | But I had updated that laptop from 26 to 31 (iirc). | Jan 02 05:26 |
| schestowitz | even when I used fedora | Jan 02 05:26 |
| schestowitz | they have some command line primitive tool | Jan 02 05:26 |
| schestowitz | even ubuntu has some front ends for it | Jan 02 05:26 |
| DaemonFC[m] | No, the yum system upgrade program was bad when you were dist-upgrading to a new version. | Jan 02 05:26 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It could just as easily break things and make an unbootable mess as work. | Jan 02 05:27 |
| schestowitz | but it can crash if the updater in the CLI brings up dialogues | Jan 02 05:27 |
| schestowitz | just pick an LTS, then stick with it | Jan 02 05:27 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Yeah, I almost never use the graphical package manager. | Jan 02 05:27 |
| schestowitz | upgrade with /home inplace when a new LTS is out and the current one is almost EoL | Jan 02 05:27 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's usually slower and there's more packages than there's descriptions for in Discover or GNOME Software. | Jan 02 05:28 |
| schestowitz | I always use CLI, but for users who are new it is daunting | Jan 02 05:28 |
| schestowitz | CLI is faster | Jan 02 05:28 |
| schestowitz | and you can copy-paste to yourself or others the report on what's happening | Jan 02 05:28 |
| schestowitz | GUIs are bad at thatr | Jan 02 05:28 |
| schestowitz | we never had anything GUI for techrights or tuxmachines | Jan 02 05:28 |
| schestowitz | seems like the attacker just got bored BTW | Jan 02 05:29 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Microsoft used to get away with a lot more because they sucked all the air out of the room as far as operating systems. | Jan 02 05:29 |
| DaemonFC[m] | And it was Windows or the even more depressing Mac. | Jan 02 05:29 |
| schestowitz | I saw about 10k requests per minute at the peak | Jan 02 05:29 |
| schestowitz | nice to see how 32 CPU cores can cope with that too | Jan 02 05:29 |
| schestowitz | no real downtime, just delays | Jan 02 05:29 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I did not like the user interface change when OS X came out. | Jan 02 05:29 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Still don't. | Jan 02 05:30 |
| schestowitz | oh, another burst of attack now | Jan 02 05:30 |
| schestowitz | load average 39 on 32 cores | Jan 02 05:30 |
| schestowitz | 3,500 reqs/min | Jan 02 05:30 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The older one was compact, it was task oriented, it was more logical for an actual workflow. | Jan 02 05:30 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The OS under it might have been rotting. | Jan 02 05:30 |
| DaemonFC[m] | But the UI was decent. | Jan 02 05:30 |
| schestowitz | over the past 24 hours techrights averaged 5.3 MB/sec | Jan 02 05:30 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The new one has all of this comically huge eyecandy that gets in the way of things. | Jan 02 05:31 |
| schestowitz | mac os ? | Jan 02 05:31 |
| schestowitz | I used that ages ago at work, as a hobby, part time | Jan 02 05:31 |
| schestowitz | it was mac os 9 | Jan 02 05:31 |
| schestowitz | almost 20 years ago | Jan 02 05:31 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Yeah, like, is there really a reason for a dock that big that doesn't even autohide when you have an application running? | Jan 02 05:31 |
| schestowitz | the other day I saw a photo I had taken of that machine (not mine) | Jan 02 05:31 |
| schestowitz | I used mandrake otherwise | Jan 02 05:31 |
| schestowitz | apple is a brand | Jan 02 05:32 |
| schestowitz | and they focus on graphics | Jan 02 05:32 |
| schestowitz | polishing icons and expensive displays | Jan 02 05:32 |
| schestowitz | that does nothing for actual productivity | Jan 02 05:32 |
| schestowitz | it's gloss | Jan 02 05:32 |
| schestowitz | you can copy the glosss over to gnu | Jan 02 05:32 |
| schestowitz | faenza for example | Jan 02 05:32 |
| schestowitz | and its many derivatives | Jan 02 05:32 |
| schestowitz | I put faenza in KDE for rianne | Jan 02 05:32 |
| schestowitz | and some kind of faenza on mine too, but I change every now and then | Jan 02 05:33 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Yeah. BeOS was the first OS I saw that got graphics and fonts right. | Jan 02 05:33 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It took Windows 6 years to catch up to that, and Linux even longer honestly. | Jan 02 05:33 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Because of patents sometimes. | Jan 02 05:33 |
| schestowitz | turns out faenza is also a place | Jan 02 05:33 |
| schestowitz | it does sound italian | Jan 02 05:33 |
| schestowitz | https://www.google.com/search?q=faenza+linux&tbm=isch&ved=2ahUKEwi_mtOOw_ztAhUY_hoKHW2yAq4Q2-cCegQIABAA | Jan 02 05:33 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-faenza linux - Google Search | Jan 02 05:33 | |
| schestowitz | for those now familiar with it | Jan 02 05:33 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I liked the GNOME 2 Nimbus theme and icons from Solaris. | Jan 02 05:33 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I took the theme and cloned the look for my Ubuntu and Fedora systems at the time. | Jan 02 05:34 |
| schestowitz | wow, almost 500gb in techrights in past 24 hours | Jan 02 05:34 |
| schestowitz | I think it's near all-time high | Jan 02 05:34 |
| schestowitz | mostly because of videos | Jan 02 05:34 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Comcast gives me a data cap. | Jan 02 05:35 |
| schestowitz | now attack on tuxmachines at over 10,000 reqs/sec, machine is not minding it much | Jan 02 05:35 |
| schestowitz | load average under 8, over 32 cpu cores | Jan 02 05:35 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They offer "unlimited data" now as part of some "service" with their $15 a month modems. | Jan 02 05:36 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: mine is throttled upstream | Jan 02 05:36 |
| schestowitz | due to ipfs I assume | Jan 02 05:36 |
| schestowitz | it's like p2p running from home, for techrights | Jan 02 05:36 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: unlimited at WHAT SPEED? | Jan 02 05:36 |
| schestowitz | I can give you 28k baud UNLIMITED | Jan 02 05:36 |
| schestowitz | you can use it at full capacity 24/7 all month/year | Jan 02 05:37 |
| schestowitz | and how much b/w would that be? | Jan 02 05:37 |
| schestowitz | my upload speeds are now capped at around 30kb/sec, usually less | Jan 02 05:37 |
| schestowitz | and sometimes it cuts off for seconds, then 10kb/sec or something like that | Jan 02 05:37 |
| schestowitz | ipfs does upstream about 2gb/day | Jan 02 05:37 |
| schestowitz | they traffic-shape for sure | Jan 02 05:38 |
| schestowitz | hmm... aplus is still around https://www.aplus.net/ | Jan 02 05:39 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Aplus.net: Web Hosting & Domain Name Registration Services | Jan 02 05:39 | |
| schestowitz | two decades ago we used them for hosting with bsd | Jan 02 05:39 |
| schestowitz | they rebranded as "CLOWN" I see... | Jan 02 05:40 |
| schestowitz | everything is clown now | Jan 02 05:40 |
| schestowitz | if not clown computing, then "old" | Jan 02 05:40 |
| schestowitz | estrictions were increased across the UK this week in an effort to tackle the rising number of cases. | Jan 02 05:44 |
| schestowitz | In England, three quarters of the population are now under new, higher "tier four" measures. Other areas were moved up to tier three. | Jan 02 05:44 |
| schestowitz | quote from https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-51768274\ | Jan 02 05:44 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 404 @ https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-51768274\ ) | Jan 02 05:44 | |
| schestowitz | https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-51768274 | Jan 02 05:44 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.bbc.co.uk | Covid-19 in the UK: How many coronavirus cases are there in your area? - BBC News | Jan 02 05:44 | |
| schestowitz | https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-53166816 | Jan 02 05:45 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.bbc.co.uk | Covid in Scotland: What are the latest lockdown rules? - BBC News | Jan 02 05:45 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | <schestowitz "DaemonFC: unlimited at WHAT SPEE"> I just bought their cheapest plan. | Jan 02 05:49 |
| DaemonFC[m] | 25 Mbps they say. | Jan 02 05:49 |
| schestowitz | max | Jan 02 05:49 |
| schestowitz | what's the average | Jan 02 05:49 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Oh, I usually see downloads going at about 3 MB per second on bittorrent or something. | Jan 02 05:50 |
| DaemonFC[m] | But that's on the VPN. | Jan 02 05:50 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I never turn it off. | Jan 02 05:50 |
| schestowitz | https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20201229/08551245963/comcasts-pandemic-price-hike-bonanza-continues.shtml | Jan 02 05:50 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Comcast's Pandemic Price Hike Bonanza Continues | Techdirt | Jan 02 05:50 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | Considering how bad US copyright law is NOW you'd have to be insane not to use a VPN. | Jan 02 05:50 |
| schestowitz | that's 10 times slower than advertised | Jan 02 05:50 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's cheap insurance. | Jan 02 05:50 |
| schestowitz | do they say "25 bar VPN"? ("25 Mbps they say.") | Jan 02 05:51 |
| schestowitz | VPN is a matter of security to some | Jan 02 05:51 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Well, it's Megabits per second not MegaBytes per second. | Jan 02 05:51 |
| schestowitz | not a luxury | Jan 02 05:51 |
| DaemonFC[m] | That's at ISP level. | Jan 02 05:51 |
| schestowitz | while the ISP mines and sells your data | Jan 02 05:51 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So 3 MB per second is about what I pay for I think. | Jan 02 05:51 |
| schestowitz | part of their business model, their real customers are sometimes data brokers | Jan 02 05:51 |
| DaemonFC[m] | 25 megabits / second = 3.125 megabytes / second | Jan 02 05:51 |
| schestowitz | yeah, I saw a big B | Jan 02 05:52 |
| schestowitz | turns out they use the misleading number | Jan 02 05:52 |
| schestowitz | to make it seem faster | Jan 02 05:52 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's too slow to handle a 4K stream or even two 1080p ones really. | Jan 02 05:52 |
| schestowitz | Comcast: now at 1,500,000,000 bits per minute! | Jan 02 05:53 |
| DaemonFC[m] | If I'm watching Archer or something and Mandy starts watching Youtube, the stream gets screwed up. | Jan 02 05:53 |
| schestowitz | move to south korea :-) | Jan 02 05:53 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: I might print off Mandy's credit score just to show it to the immigration officer. | Jan 02 05:54 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's 738 and shows he has no debt to speak of. | Jan 02 05:54 |
| DaemonFC[m] | But they've been checking it every few months I noticed. | Jan 02 05:54 |
| schestowitz | https://www.mayerbrown.com/en/perspectives-events/publications/2020/12/brexit--intellectual-property--after-the-brexit-transition-period | Jan 02 05:55 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 403 @ https://www.mayerbrown.com/en/perspectives-events/publications/2020/12/brexit--intellectual-property--after-the-brexit-transition-period ) | Jan 02 05:55 | |
| schestowitz | "Attempts to create a single EU-wide unitary patent and Unified Patent Court ("UPC"), which would determine patent disputes on an EU-wide basis, are on-going. However, the UK Government confirmed that it will not become a member of the UPC." | Jan 02 05:55 |
| schestowitz | THIS IS BS | Jan 02 05:55 |
| schestowitz | zoobab: ^^ | Jan 02 05:55 |
| schestowitz | credit score can be like social control media, DaemonFC[m] | Jan 02 05:56 |
| schestowitz | or "klout" score | Jan 02 05:56 |
| schestowitz | nobody cares about it | Jan 02 05:56 |
| schestowitz | like # of "facebook friends" | Jan 02 05:56 |
| schestowitz | but people wrongly associate that with a "life score" like in MMORG games | Jan 02 05:56 |
| schestowitz | and at the end of the day it matter as much as now much you scored on math in first grade (school) | Jan 02 05:57 |
| schestowitz | does not in practice have much effect, better discarded | Jan 02 05:57 |
| schestowitz | unless you want to get a loan | Jan 02 05:57 |
| schestowitz | (which is usually a bad idea) | Jan 02 05:57 |
| schestowitz | immigration isn't a bank | Jan 02 05:57 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: They weight credit scores now on immigrants. | Jan 02 05:58 |
| schestowitz | immigration officer: sure, sure... he shoplifted and all.. BUT LOOK HOW MANY FB FRIENDS HE HAs!!! | Jan 02 05:58 |
| DaemonFC[m] | With the form that we didn't have to fill out. | Jan 02 05:58 |
| DaemonFC[m] | We beat the clock on the new public charge rule. | Jan 02 05:58 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So we don't have to prove he has a credit score, even. | Jan 02 05:58 |
| Techrights-sec | gm | Jan 02 05:59 |
| Techrights-sec | Is Pogson ok? His blog has not been updated in almost 2 months. | Jan 02 05:59 |
| Techrights-sec | And it was summer since he last covered FOSS. | Jan 02 05:59 |
| Techrights-sec | The BGR article implies that viewing source code causes insecurity (of the softwarte) | Jan 02 05:59 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: I just think it would be nice for the officer to have it in mind that we're not in debt and our credit ratings aren't bad. | Jan 02 05:59 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Mine has improved a lot since the bankruptcy. | Jan 02 05:59 |
| schestowitz | funny you mention Robert Pogson as only days ago I asked rianne if his feed produces anything at her end | Jan 02 05:59 |
| DaemonFC[m] | My FICO 8 went from 540 when the bankruptcy discharged to 608 now. | Jan 02 06:00 |
| schestowitz | sounds like SATs scale | Jan 02 06:00 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: I don't know if it would be better to just leave it alone. | Jan 02 06:00 |
| DaemonFC[m] | On one hand, Mandy's score is great, on the other, mine says "Chapter 7 bankruptcy discharged". | Jan 02 06:01 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So it might tip them off that something catastrophic happened to me not too long ago. | Jan 02 06:01 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So, more harm than good? | Jan 02 06:01 |
| schestowitz | that's for lending | Jan 02 06:01 |
| schestowitz | immigration focuses on other things | Jan 02 06:01 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Nope. | Jan 02 06:01 |
| schestowitz | maybe in the US they're already banksters | Jan 02 06:01 |
| schestowitz | they need to see income | Jan 02 06:02 |
| schestowitz | and bank statements | Jan 02 06:02 |
| DaemonFC[m] | https://www.marketwatch.com/story/immigrants-could-be-required-to-show-credit-scores-if-they-want-to-stay-in-the-us-2018-09-26 | Jan 02 06:02 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Immigrants will be required to show credit scores, or fulfill other financial criteria, if they want to become U.S. citizens - MarketWatch | Jan 02 06:02 | |
| schestowitz | credit scores are hypothetical | Jan 02 06:02 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: I have to show bank statements to prove we're comingling assets. | Jan 02 06:02 |
| schestowitz | "fulfill other financial criteria" | Jan 02 06:02 |
| schestowitz | like bank statments | Jan 02 06:02 |
| schestowitz | income, balance... | Jan 02 06:02 |
| schestowitz | balance-sheet, deficit if any | Jan 02 06:03 |
| DaemonFC[m] | If I have to print them off anyway, I might as well fill out the asset schedule on the I-864A and have them count the balance as income at the 1/3rd rate. | Jan 02 06:03 |
| schestowitz | credit scores are like pseudo-sciernce | Jan 02 06:03 |
| DaemonFC[m] | If you can show you have $15,000 and you're a US citizen sponsoring your spouse, then that's as good as $5,000 income for the year. | Jan 02 06:03 |
| schestowitz | look no further than yourself | Jan 02 06:03 |
| schestowitz | racked 100,000 dollars in debt | Jan 02 06:03 |
| schestowitz | didn't pay any of it back | Jan 02 06:03 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It would make it harder, in theory, for them to disregard income to bring us below the minimum. | Jan 02 06:03 |
| schestowitz | and you say your score improved a lot | Jan 02 06:03 |
| schestowitz | and you don't even work | Jan 02 06:04 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: And a year earlier my FICO was 826. | Jan 02 06:04 |
| schestowitz | the breadwinner in the house has no certainty about staying | Jan 02 06:04 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Predicting that it was almost no risk to lend to me. | Jan 02 06:04 |
| schestowitz | so your credit score is baloney basically | Jan 02 06:04 |
| schestowitz | I saw other storties | Jan 02 06:04 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Pretty much. | Jan 02 06:04 |
| schestowitz | people scoring poorly for never being in debt | Jan 02 06:04 |
| schestowitz | because the banksters don't like such people | Jan 02 06:05 |
| schestowitz | even Drumpf is deep in debt | Jan 02 06:05 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: The credit card people gave me limits totaling about $45,000 iirc. | Jan 02 06:05 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Well, a bit less. | Jan 02 06:05 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They were all over limit from fees and interest by the time I went bankrupt. | Jan 02 06:05 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: I have to mind my Ps and Qs for a while | Jan 02 06:06 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | No more bankruptcy for another 7.5 years. | Jan 02 06:06 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | Already pushed the button in May, which started the 8 year ban on another one. | Jan 02 06:06 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Now would be a seriously bad time to start running up debt again. | Jan 02 06:07 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: I did the bankruptcy as soon as my lawyer said it would be a good idea. | Jan 02 06:07 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They said let the cards charge off first. | Jan 02 06:07 |
| schestowitz | lol | Jan 02 06:08 |
| schestowitz | the words | Jan 02 06:08 |
| schestowitz | "charge off" | Jan 02 06:08 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Amusingly enough, Capital One had to sell off one of my major accounts and take it off my credit report, and the buyer never added it back before I bankrupted myself. | Jan 02 06:08 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So, it doesn't show that that account ever went to bankruptcy. | Jan 02 06:08 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Then Kia Motors Finance never replied to my post-bankruptcy dispute about a late payment they were not legally allowed to report, so that account fell off immediately. | Jan 02 06:08 |
| schestowitz | banks just work to ensure they carry on lending | Jan 02 06:09 |
| schestowitz | later they'll mass-foreclose | Jan 02 06:09 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So it looks like my bankruptcy was only about $20,000 in credit cards. | Jan 02 06:09 |
| DaemonFC[m] | When in fact it was several times worse. | Jan 02 06:09 |
| schestowitz | and cry out for bailouts paid by those whom they rob | Jan 02 06:09 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: Yeah, you pay taxes. Why would you feel guilty about bankruptcy? | Jan 02 06:09 |
| DaemonFC[m] | You're just taking back the money Congress stole from you to give to them. | Jan 02 06:09 |
| schestowitz | other pay that | Jan 02 06:09 |
| schestowitz | collective cost | Jan 02 06:10 |
| schestowitz | 30 trillion in debt | Jan 02 06:10 |
| schestowitz | it'll need to be paid back | Jan 02 06:10 |
| schestowitz | or you could reset the wealth of bezos, gates etc. | Jan 02 06:10 |
| schestowitz | and then use that to write off the liabilities | Jan 02 06:10 |
| schestowitz | they park their money elsewhere | Jan 02 06:10 |
| schestowitz | they know it can happen, gates has several plane and can abscond at any time | Jan 02 06:10 |
| schestowitz | *planes | Jan 02 06:10 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They don't want to pay people anything, so they go in debt. | Jan 02 06:11 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Then they can't pay the debt so they bankrupt the debt, and then they do it again and again. | Jan 02 06:11 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Doesn't make much sense to me. | Jan 02 06:12 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Instead of being more gainfully employed, the banks lose money over and over on them. | Jan 02 06:12 |
| DaemonFC[m] | But not enough to cause the bank to be unprofitable I suppose. | Jan 02 06:12 |
| DaemonFC[m] | In normal times 2-3% of accounts are in serious default. | Jan 02 06:13 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They don't lose everything on those, because they sell them as secondhand debt. | Jan 02 06:13 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: I can tell you which major banks are the nastiest. | Jan 02 06:13 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Citi sold it to a debt collector and they were already threatening to sue in January, while that didn't happen on the rest until April. | Jan 02 06:14 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: I was talking to mom on the phone today advising her which creditors to screw and which ones to pay to prevent her FICO from getting worse. | Jan 02 06:15 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I said, "No, don't pay those medical bills from the ER doctor that were two years old. It'll just make them current again and you'll be out the money.". | Jan 02 06:16 |
| DaemonFC[m] | "Just use that FSA money to pay any medical bills you already have that aren't in collections yet so you don't get new collection accounts. | Jan 02 06:16 |
| Techrights-sec | M$ is also trying to play itself off as "critical infrastructure" in | Jan 02 06:18 |
| Techrights-sec | light of the SolarWinds cracking. | Jan 02 06:18 |
| Techrights-sec | That Adobe Flash had ever been deploye in the first place is a real puzzle. | Jan 02 06:18 |
| Techrights-sec | Removing the https://danielmiessler.com/feed/ feed from the automated links. | Jan 02 06:18 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 500 @ https://danielmiessler.com/feed/ ) | Jan 02 06:18 | |
| schestowitz | top right pane in tmux shows backups from tm on techrights are 0 in size for two nights now | Jan 02 06:24 |
| Techrights-sec | I'll have to make a new terminal profile so that it defaults to 153x48 | Jan 02 06:26 |
| Techrights-sec | Ok will look at the scripts. | Jan 02 06:26 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | Microsoft as critical web infrastructure is long since over. They don't even run most of their own products using their own software. | Jan 02 07:50 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Windows outside of a consumer or client OS environment is horrendously obsolete. | Jan 02 07:51 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It still has locking and scheduling inefficiencies that maybe don't matter with <16 CPU cores. | Jan 02 07:51 |
| DaemonFC[m] | But that's being surpassed now on some high end desktop CPUs even. | Jan 02 07:52 |
| DaemonFC[m] | https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/01/politics/gohmert-pence-electoral-college-lawsuit-thrown-out/index.html | Jan 02 07:58 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Federal judge throws out Gohmert lawsuit asking Pence to interfere in Electoral College count - CNNPolitics | Jan 02 07:58 | |
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| vZS1 | Hny | Jan 02 09:28 |
| schestowitz | 0/ | Jan 02 09:28 |
| schestowitz | you have just been mentioned | Jan 02 09:28 |
| vZS1 | Oh? | Jan 02 09:28 |
| schestowitz | I passed around the ipfs manual | Jan 02 09:28 |
| vZS1 | Cool stuff | Jan 02 09:29 |
| schestowitz | in ytalk | Jan 02 09:29 |
| schestowitz | more people wish to know and use ipfs | Jan 02 09:29 |
| schestowitz | which is what we want | Jan 02 09:29 |
| vZS1 | Hope they enjoy the experience | Jan 02 09:29 |
| schestowitz | no ipfs JS equivalent yet | Jan 02 09:29 |
| schestowitz | or other bloat | Jan 02 09:29 |
| schestowitz | maybe mozilla will add support... j/k | Jan 02 09:30 |
| schestowitz | too busy making hypeOS "apps" in Visua Studio and shitHub | Jan 02 09:30 |
| vZS1 | Lol | Jan 02 09:30 |
| schestowitz | some of the people they sacked are rhe technical people | Jan 02 09:30 |
| schestowitz | those who did side projects | Jan 02 09:31 |
| schestowitz | prior to that firefoxOS | Jan 02 09:31 |
| schestowitz | that leaves them with "UX" types | Jan 02 09:31 |
| schestowitz | and "Data scientists" | Jan 02 09:31 |
| schestowitz | they kept those | Jan 02 09:31 |
| schestowitz | so you know what business model they focus on | Jan 02 09:31 |
| schestowitz | https://armenzg.medium.com/farewell-mozilla-5d52b7110194 | Jan 02 09:32 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-armenzg.medium.com | Farewell, Mozilla. The summer of 2020 marked the end of 12… | by Armen Zambrano | Dec, 2020 | Medium | Jan 02 09:32 | |
| schestowitz | (new) | Jan 02 09:32 |
| Ariadne | i'm planning to move all of my stuff away from github | Jan 02 09:32 |
| Ariadne | i am just lazy | Jan 02 09:32 |
| Ariadne | and gitlab is a lot of work | Jan 02 09:32 |
| schestowitz | yeah, common situatiin | Jan 02 09:32 |
| schestowitz | shithub 'works' | Jan 02 09:32 |
| Ariadne | and i need the CI | Jan 02 09:32 |
| schestowitz | but in the long run it's not worth putting any more labour into it | Jan 02 09:32 |
| Ariadne | well i am getting ready to launch a new initiative so it makes sense for me to just do it right from start | Jan 02 09:33 |
| schestowitz | there are gitlab hosts | Jan 02 09:33 |
| schestowitz | if shtf you can export and relocate | Jan 02 09:33 |
| schestowitz | there are many gitea hosts | Jan 02 09:33 |
| vZS1 | I connected to IRC via my desktop, yesterday. My phone's IRC client is a bit buggy after the new client "updates". | Jan 02 09:33 |
| Ariadne | true but i have my own DC | Jan 02 09:33 |
| schestowitz | fsf will be a host | Jan 02 09:33 |
| vZS1 | I still read the logs, daily | Jan 02 09:34 |
| schestowitz | building something based on gitlab | Jan 02 09:34 |
| Ariadne | so it just makes sense to bite the bullet and self host | Jan 02 09:34 |
| Ariadne | i wouldn't host with fsf anyway | Jan 02 09:34 |
| schestowitz | the tr server has git on it | Jan 02 09:34 |
| Ariadne | fsf is radioactive :) | Jan 02 09:34 |
| vZS1 | Why build on that bugridden crap | Jan 02 09:34 |
| schestowitz | but we don't have big chucks of code, usually scripts at most 200 LOCs | Jan 02 09:34 |
| vZS1 | (GitLab) | Jan 02 09:34 |
| schestowitz | Ariadne: it is | Jan 02 09:34 |
| Ariadne | vZS1: mostly because my contributors want to retain the workflow used in github | Jan 02 09:35 |
| Ariadne | and gitlab is the easiest way to retain that workflow | Jan 02 09:35 |
| schestowitz | some people inside FSF try to incite RMS against us | Jan 02 09:35 |
| schestowitz | but it failed | Jan 02 09:35 |
| Ariadne | gitea is nice, but lacks CI integration | Jan 02 09:35 |
| schestowitz | because RMS realised he had been lied to, misattributions mostly | Jan 02 09:35 |
| Ariadne | i've tried to migrate to sourcehut already, but it was a disaster | Jan 02 09:35 |
| schestowitz | sh.rt | Jan 02 09:36 |
| Ariadne | people complained that the workflow was a pain in the ass vs github | Jan 02 09:36 |
| schestowitz | something like that | Jan 02 09:36 |
| schestowitz | are they any good? sure I didn't spell it right | Jan 02 09:36 |
| Ariadne | personally i like sourcehut, but the workflow is emailed patches or link a patch in irc | Jan 02 09:36 |
| Ariadne | and that's not something people want to do | Jan 02 09:36 |
| Ariadne | so i will just deploy gitlab instead | Jan 02 09:37 |
| Ariadne | for example, you can do basic CI on commits with gitea | Jan 02 09:37 |
| Ariadne | but there's no pass/fail on merge requests | Jan 02 09:37 |
| Ariadne | gitlab has the best CI integration in that regard | Jan 02 09:38 |
| vZS1 | schestowitz: our CI runs on a budget SBC so we do a lot better than Shit (Hub/Lab). (: | Jan 02 09:38 |
| schestowitz | it's easy to back up and replicate | Jan 02 09:38 |
| Ariadne | you can approve an MR and have it auto merge once CI pases | Jan 02 09:38 |
| schestowitz | no "hosted" | Jan 02 09:38 |
| vZS1 | And we have unlimited "minutes" | Jan 02 09:38 |
| vZS1 | And we own the hardware | Jan 02 09:38 |
| Ariadne | vZS1: so do i if i run my own gitlab install and CI runner | Jan 02 09:39 |
| schestowitz | Ariadne: since you brought up FSF, some funky things happened lately | Jan 02 09:39 |
| schestowitz | I'll paste several lines | Jan 02 09:39 |
| schestowitz | " | Jan 02 09:39 |
| schestowitz | It's correct to assert that defence of RMS and his mindset can be spun as hostility; it's too easy, isn't it? Over the years I read a lot about (sometimes leaked internal documents) the tactics of fracturing and dividing people who otherwise collaborate and coordinate. We know that three-letter agencies in the US do this (Wikileaks is one example) and we saw documents from Microsoft suggesting similar tactics. | Jan 02 09:39 |
| schestowitz | Earlier this year I was sent about 20,000 E-mails from FSF servers, causing me to interact with FSF staff including John. I don't know who weaponised FSF servers against me (not just one but two of my accounts, including a private email account I do not advertise). Please tell John that I strongly disagree with some of the things published in Techrights about him (and some other people), however I'm compelled not to hide how some | Jan 02 09:39 |
| schestowitz | >other< people feel. Burying sentiments is not the way to go. | Jan 02 09:39 |
| schestowitz | The above two paragraphs, put together, can lead to "conspiracy theories" about someone trying to drive a wedge between myself and people whom I generally support. | Jan 02 09:39 |
| schestowitz | " | Jan 02 09:39 |
| Ariadne | i mean, RMS has some kooky ideas its true | Jan 02 09:40 |
| schestowitz | he does at times | Jan 02 09:40 |
| schestowitz | everyone does | Jan 02 09:40 |
| schestowitz | many people don't agree with MOST people's lifestyle | Jan 02 09:40 |
| Ariadne | however, having thought about it a lot, i think the attacks on him were largely in bad faith | Jan 02 09:40 |
| schestowitz | Muslims, gay, trans etc. | Jan 02 09:40 |
| schestowitz | in RMS and his speeches it's often things like empathy | Jan 02 09:41 |
| schestowitz | but I think when it comes to s/w there has been too much empathy towards govs and companies that bomb people | Jan 02 09:41 |
| schestowitz | FSF might even want to seem "patriotic" | Jan 02 09:41 |
| Ariadne | the silver lining to RMS being booted out of FSF is that FSF might start doing things that actually make sense | Jan 02 09:41 |
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| Ariadne | but hasn't happened | Jan 02 09:42 |
| schestowitz | that means not calling cops "thugs" and saying that it is them who assault people as opposed to perverts who make unwanted advances | Jan 02 09:42 |
| Ariadne | both are forms of assault | Jan 02 09:42 |
| schestowitz | Ariadne: they didn't get many new members | Jan 02 09:42 |
| schestowitz | hardly 2/3 | Jan 02 09:42 |
| schestowitz | Ariadne: RMS would not agree | Jan 02 09:43 |
| schestowitz | with the wording | Jan 02 09:43 |
| schestowitz | and that's why he was in hot water | Jan 02 09:43 |
| schestowitz | I think it's far less severe than actually doing the assault | Jan 02 09:43 |
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| Ariadne | by the way, sometimes unwanted advances are not genuine | Jan 02 09:43 |
| schestowitz | like people who say child pornography doesn't hurt anyone but do not themselves possess or care for any | Jan 02 09:43 |
| Ariadne | sometimes men make advances towards women to convince them to leave a space | Jan 02 09:43 |
| Ariadne | its a complicated topic | Jan 02 09:44 |
| schestowitz | I never heard that before | Jan 02 09:44 |
| schestowitz | I know about testing boundaries | Jan 02 09:44 |
| schestowitz | someone explained it to us some years back | Jan 02 09:44 |
| vZS1 | Btw | Jan 02 09:44 |
| Ariadne | its pretty common in tech | Jan 02 09:44 |
| vZS1 | Re: child pornography | Jan 02 09:44 |
| schestowitz | it's a common pretext | Jan 02 09:45 |
| schestowitz | for lots of things | Jan 02 09:45 |
| vZS1 | There's child pornography being circulated on the internet under the guise of "nudism" | Jan 02 09:45 |
| schestowitz | red herrings | Jan 02 09:45 |
| vZS1 | "nudist lifestyle" | Jan 02 09:45 |
| schestowitz | sounds like a FB thing | Jan 02 09:45 |
| vZS1 | That's concerning | Jan 02 09:45 |
| Ariadne | well, i have seen men do this to women because they wanted the women to leave | Jan 02 09:45 |
| vZS1 | I just wanted to bring it up because I forgot about it | Jan 02 09:45 |
| schestowitz | rmeember fb censored a picture of vietnam war | Jan 02 09:46 |
| schestowitz | an award-winning photo | Jan 02 09:46 |
| Ariadne | that said i think RMS sometimes shoots himself in the foot | Jan 02 09:46 |
| schestowitz | we all do | Jan 02 09:47 |
| schestowitz | sometimes | Jan 02 09:47 |
| Ariadne | like when the glibc maintainers wanted to remove that stupid abortion joke | Jan 02 09:47 |
| schestowitz | he writes and says a lot | Jan 02 09:47 |
| Ariadne | and he was like | Jan 02 09:47 |
| Ariadne | no we are keeping it | Jan 02 09:47 |
| schestowitz | he replies to every random email, even from 4chan trolls | Jan 02 09:47 |
| vZS1 | Do you know where I can go to report sites circulating child porno under the guise of nudism? | Jan 02 09:47 |
| Ariadne | and that's final | Jan 02 09:47 |
| schestowitz | vZS1: maybe that british agency that blocked parts of wikipedia | Jan 02 09:48 |
| Ariadne | vZS1: the netblocks they are on will have an abuse contact | Jan 02 09:48 |
| schestowitz | under a similar basis/grounds | Jan 02 09:48 |
| schestowitz | but that was like 15 years ago | Jan 02 09:48 |
| schestowitz | something Watch | Jan 02 09:48 |
| Ariadne | vZS1: you can contact that abuse desk and be like IP 1.2.3.4 has www.blah.com on it and it has child porn at URI | Jan 02 09:48 |
| schestowitz | I heard worse things | Jan 02 09:48 |
| schestowitz | about taking down sites that are legit | Jan 02 09:48 |
| schestowitz | by uploading to them unsavoury things | Jan 02 09:49 |
| Ariadne | yeah it happens | Jan 02 09:49 |
| schestowitz | then issuing complaints, takedowns, threats | Jan 02 09:49 |
| Ariadne | someone tried to do that to pleroma.site | Jan 02 09:49 |
| schestowitz | or just repelling those who participate in them | Jan 02 09:49 |
| Ariadne | they uploaded CP and then reported it | Jan 02 09:49 |
| Ariadne | unfortunately for them | Jan 02 09:49 |
| Ariadne | i have my own IP space | Jan 02 09:49 |
| Ariadne | so i am the abuse contact | Jan 02 09:49 |
| Ariadne | so it was a jolly waste of time for the | Jan 02 09:49 |
| Ariadne | m | Jan 02 09:49 |
| Ariadne | :) | Jan 02 09:49 |
| vZS1 | If you remember the name, let me know | Jan 02 09:49 |
| schestowitz | they blocked some pages in wikipedia | Jan 02 09:50 |
| schestowitz | but it was so long ago, something to do with nudity | Jan 02 09:50 |
| vZS1 | Did those pages have child pornography on them? | Jan 02 09:50 |
| schestowitz | can't recall | Jan 02 09:50 |
| schestowitz | it was unsafe for kids, they said | Jan 02 09:50 |
| schestowitz | wikipedia has photos of nipples and genitals | Jan 02 09:50 |
| schestowitz | for relevant articles | Jan 02 09:50 |
| schestowitz | "Planet Debian Uncensored (and its sister sites) has a tone different from mine and many Nazi analogies I never wrapped my head around (cannot; I think too many things are being compared to Nazis). Some articles from there I did not repost and in some cases I left out images that were not suitable for our audience. Techrights tried to help combat censorship; all who are longtime contributors and have facts on their site deserve a voice | Jan 02 09:51 |
| schestowitz | Daniel is a good guy. He was betrayed in a very major way. He has many legitimate reasons to be upset. He's very supportive of RMS. A lot of what's said about him is patently false." | Jan 02 09:51 |
| schestowitz | I think I know which articles of his upset people | Jan 02 09:51 |
| schestowitz | and are called unfounded | Jan 02 09:51 |
| schestowitz | we didn't repost some of them | Jan 02 09:52 |
| schestowitz | he likes to compare many things to nazism | Jan 02 09:52 |
| schestowitz | maybe because fsfe is predominantly german and he's in switzeerland | Jan 02 09:52 |
| schestowitz | born in .au to irish family, worked and lived in the UK (near me, same university at some point) | Jan 02 09:52 |
| schestowitz | so the whole german thing is suspicious to him | Jan 02 09:53 |
| schestowitz | I still see German nazi web sites | Jan 02 09:53 |
| schestowitz | they predate social control media hype | Jan 02 09:53 |
| schestowitz | people self-hosting with suse and stuff | Jan 02 09:53 |
| schestowitz | the whole "hitler did nothing wrong BS" | Jan 02 09:53 |
| schestowitz | and "gas chamber faked" | Jan 02 09:54 |
| schestowitz | the web was always full of junk | Jan 02 09:54 |
| schestowitz | in newsgroups it was rampant | Jan 02 09:54 |
| schestowitz | media tries to tell us it's all new | Jan 02 09:54 |
| schestowitz | "troll farms" | Jan 02 09:54 |
| schestowitz | "conspiracy theories" | Jan 02 09:54 |
| schestowitz | but i remember these going back to the 90s | Jan 02 09:54 |
| schestowitz | rememeber rotten.com? | Jan 02 09:54 |
| schestowitz | anyone familiar with it? 1990s... | Jan 02 09:55 |
| kingoffrance | be sure to leave a pretty corpse lol | Jan 02 09:55 |
| Ariadne | anyways | Jan 02 09:55 |
| schestowitz | really gross, things like people shot in the face | Jan 02 09:55 |
| vZS1 | This predates the internet | Jan 02 09:55 |
| schestowitz | www or net? | Jan 02 09:55 |
| kingoffrance | yes, and they made fun of ppl who would laugh at a party at one pic and then be offended at next thing | Jan 02 09:55 |
| schestowitz | before the internet you'd need telegram or paper and stuff | Jan 02 09:55 |
| Ariadne | i wish gitea had CI integration | Jan 02 09:56 |
| Ariadne | if it did, it would be perfect for my needs | Jan 02 09:56 |
| schestowitz | maybe it can be conjoined with jenkins | Jan 02 09:56 |
| schestowitz | I heard of people who use pertinent bits. github is just proprietary integration | Jan 02 09:56 |
| schestowitz | like bugzilla for bugs | Jan 02 09:56 |
| schestowitz | bugzilla is super-easy to set up | Jan 02 09:57 |
| schestowitz | and you can theme it also | Jan 02 09:57 |
| schestowitz | to suit gitea or gitlab | Jan 02 09:57 |
| schestowitz | kde and gnome gitlab is sort of bare and default them | Jan 02 09:57 |
| schestowitz | *theme | Jan 02 09:57 |
| schestowitz | invent.kde.org | Jan 02 09:57 |
| Ariadne | it can be | Jan 02 09:57 |
| Ariadne | i also absolutely despise bugzilla | Jan 02 09:57 |
| schestowitz | almost no images at all, very clean | Jan 02 09:57 |
| Ariadne | i'm just going to deploy gitlab | Jan 02 09:58 |
| schestowitz | you can track bugs with ticketing systems | Jan 02 09:58 |
| schestowitz | like RT or OTRS | Jan 02 09:58 |
| schestowitz | ill-suited | Jan 02 09:58 |
| Ariadne | yeah my contributors hate that | Jan 02 09:58 |
| Ariadne | they want github/gitlab type workflow | Jan 02 09:58 |
| Ariadne | with pass/fail CI | Jan 02 09:58 |
| Ariadne | on every MR | Jan 02 09:58 |
| schestowitz | but has numbers and priorities and all, can be used to mark tasks and do permissions for access, reporting | Jan 02 09:58 |
| Ariadne | gitlab is actually better than what github has to offer in that regard :D | Jan 02 09:58 |
| vZS1 | What's really important for a bug tracker is discoverability. I've been thinking about how to deal with that issue for the one I'm designing. | Jan 02 09:59 |
| schestowitz | the freebsd guy on kde (adrian de groot?) loves gitlab and MRs | Jan 02 09:59 |
| schestowitz | he was sceptical at first, then wrote that he fell in love with it | Jan 02 09:59 |
| Ariadne | yeah i like it too | Jan 02 09:59 |
| Ariadne | as do the people who send me patches | Jan 02 09:59 |
| Ariadne | and really | Jan 02 10:00 |
| Ariadne | i want to optimize for whatever makes the people sending me patches happy | Jan 02 10:00 |
| Ariadne | while also ensuring ownership of data | Jan 02 10:00 |
| Ariadne | so gitlab with github OAuth support is probably my best bet | Jan 02 10:01 |
| Ariadne | for making this easy | Jan 02 10:01 |
| vZS1 | I don't see the point of GUIs on top of Git. I get data plotting and metrics but as an _interface_ it's nonsense. | Jan 02 10:02 |
| vZS1 | You can't automate it practically so it's already rubbish | Jan 02 10:02 |
| vZS1 | Forced to work with DSLs | Jan 02 10:03 |
| vZS1 | Which makes it even worse | Jan 02 10:03 |
| Ariadne | mostly its about code review and CI pass/fail | Jan 02 10:04 |
| vZS1 | Working with the base DVCS is much more productive and flexible. Can use any programming language to extend and automate | Jan 02 10:05 |
| Ariadne | you *can* do the former with email | Jan 02 10:05 |
| vZS1 | Which is why we use a VCS in the first place: automation | Jan 02 10:05 |
| Ariadne | but people hated that in my experience vs github | Jan 02 10:05 |
| Ariadne | switching to sourcehut for pkgconf resulted in everyone whining about it needing to go back to github | Jan 02 10:05 |
| vZS1 | 8GB RAM minimum requirement to host ShitLab. | Jan 02 10:09 |
| vZS1 | No thanks | Jan 02 10:09 |
| Ariadne | yeah | Jan 02 10:09 |
| Ariadne | im just going to give it 32 | Jan 02 10:09 |
| Ariadne | :))))) | Jan 02 10:09 |
| vZS1 | People waste their time, thinking these interfaces will solve their problems. Then they have to fall back to plain CLI Git to get the real problems solved | Jan 02 10:11 |
| vZS1 | They're all just fancy presentation layers. Screw wasting so much computing on a presentation layer. That should be done on a separate program that the user has on their system. Separation of concerns | Jan 02 10:13 |
| vZS1 | These Git UIs are typically all made by "front end" people | Jan 02 10:16 |
| vZS1 | Who don't know anything about designing systems | Jan 02 10:17 |
| vZS1 | All under the guise of "accessibility" | Jan 02 10:20 |
| vZS1 | If someone is incapable of learning the DVCS, I'm not letting that incompetence seep into my code. | Jan 02 10:20 |
| schestowitz | side story | Jan 02 10:21 |
| schestowitz | I used to be hugely enamoured with GUIs | Jan 02 10:22 |
| schestowitz | I wrote tons of them | Jan 02 10:22 |
| schestowitz | for every research project | Jan 02 10:22 |
| schestowitz | even if I was the only user of my programs | Jan 02 10:22 |
| schestowitz | in hindsight it just made them look more professional | Jan 02 10:22 |
| schestowitz | but likely was not worth the time/effort | Jan 02 10:22 |
| schestowitz | because the GUIs basically construct commands | Jan 02 10:23 |
| schestowitz | and you can just put together more commands more quickly then you can press lots of things | Jan 02 10:23 |
| schestowitz | and then you can script over those commands | Jan 02 10:23 |
| schestowitz | in short | Jan 02 10:23 |
| schestowitz | GUIs lower learning curve | Jan 02 10:23 |
| schestowitz | but that comes at a (hidden) cost | Jan 02 10:23 |
| schestowitz | it might impress the boss | Jan 02 10:23 |
| schestowitz | but would not make you necessarily productive | Jan 02 10:24 |
| vZS1 | Graphics are great. I love graphics. But they need to be functional and serve a purpose. | Jan 02 10:24 |
| vZS1 | Most GUIs are not serving a legitimate functional purpose | Jan 02 10:25 |
| schestowitz | they are also a risk in maintenance | Jan 02 10:25 |
| schestowitz | like a new versiob of gtk comes out | Jan 02 10:26 |
| schestowitz | and you need to employ people to 'fix' the GUI | Jan 02 10:26 |
| schestowitz | toolkits are erratic | Jan 02 10:26 |
| vZS1 | A good example of where graphics really help are interactive text editors. Highlighting indentation and that kind of stuff | Jan 02 10:28 |
| vZS1 | But a GUI as an _interface_ to Git really is stupidity. You need to be an idiot to buy that crap | Jan 02 10:30 |
| vZS1 | A GUI for a bug tracker makes a lot of sense too. That's where you really need the accessibility for some users | Jan 02 10:31 |
| vZS1 | A nice big "submit bug" button | Jan 02 10:32 |
| vZS1 | GIAFAM wants to ruin Git just like they want to ruin GNU/Linux. Good, free tools they do not like. | Jan 02 10:41 |
| vZS1 | They're succeeding as well. Many people think Git and GitHub are synonymous | Jan 02 10:42 |
| vZS1 | Without a healthy number of users, Git risks fading away. | Jan 02 10:42 |
| vZS1 | GitHub has its own CLI as well. Many people use that exclusively, now. | Jan 02 10:43 |
| vZS1 | Everybody bending over backwards to migrate to ShitHub doesn't help | Jan 02 10:45 |
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| schestowitz | CLI | Jan 02 11:09 |
| schestowitz | I have to do it a second time | Jan 02 11:09 |
| schestowitz | as someone's initials were showing in the console | Jan 02 11:10 |
| schestowitz | something I was trying to avoid | Jan 02 11:10 |
| schestowitz | anyway, the second time can be done better, more concise | Jan 02 11:10 |
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| scientes | XRevan86, I was thinking about Chechnya defending that murder, and thinking themselves valient in doing so | Jan 02 14:31 |
| scientes | but I defend saying they might put such people in the army over saying "there can be too much religion" | Jan 02 14:32 |
| scientes | I think the problem is that people are trying to follow Mohammed, but he is not Jesus | Jan 02 14:32 |
| XRevan86 | Following Jesus is fundamentally better? | Jan 02 14:33 |
| scientes | so I think the thing is to try to split up the chapters of the Koran and try to follow just one at a time | Jan 02 14:33 |
| scientes | XRevan86, he told people to follow him | Jan 02 14:34 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: Ah, you mean that Mohammed incorporated an interpretation of Christianity into Islam. | Jan 02 14:34 |
| scientes | I just think there is *something* they are defending, in defending murder, that probably is of value, if questionable | Jan 02 14:34 |
| scientes | XRevan86, well Jesus is referened as just "Jesus" in chapter 4, and other places as "Jesus, son of Mary", "Jesus, the Messiah", and finially as a baby that Mary is holding in her arms, showing people. | Jan 02 14:35 |
| scientes | so yes, there is an interpretation there | Jan 02 14:36 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: That is… pretty obvious. Putin's also defended something when tried to cover up the submarine Kursk sinkage. | Jan 02 14:36 |
| XRevan86 | Everyone's defending something (usually their interests). | Jan 02 14:36 |
| scientes | indeed | Jan 02 14:36 |
| scientes | and in many persuits men try to learn by competition, and while christianity can handle that, islam almost can't | Jan 02 14:37 |
| XRevan86 | Religion hates criticism. | Jan 02 14:38 |
| scientes | yeah, I think that is what I am saying | Jan 02 14:38 |
| XRevan86 | I don't know of a religion that says "critical thought is good". | Jan 02 14:38 |
| XRevan86 | It's always "critical thought is how you get to hell" | Jan 02 14:38 |
| scientes | Jews tend to get to that point | Jan 02 14:39 |
| scientes | oh yeah, that was the other thing | Jan 02 14:39 |
| scientes | islam and christianity instruct people to leave their parents | Jan 02 14:39 |
| scientes | but yeah, it more has to do with critical thought | Jan 02 14:40 |
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| scientes | islam tends to become all about stupid rules | Jan 02 14:40 |
| XRevan86 | Religion teaches unconditional trust in itself, which is how it survives. | Jan 02 14:40 |
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| scientes | and islam especially tends to be very intolerant | Jan 02 14:41 |
| scientes | but that is from afar, I haven't really experienced it first hand | Jan 02 14:41 |
| XRevan86 | One of the strong points of Islam is that it doesn't tolerate defection. | Jan 02 14:42 |
| XRevan86 | Once Muslim forever Muslim. | Jan 02 14:42 |
| scientes | but I feel that is the whole strong point about worshipping god over a person, is that you then can critically think | Jan 02 14:42 |
| scientes | but I am afraid that is just me | Jan 02 14:42 |
| scientes | yes, the defection thing is a big one | Jan 02 14:43 |
| scientes | those from muslim places with facebook complain about all the racism | Jan 02 14:43 |
| scientes | or whatever it is---anti-defection | Jan 02 14:43 |
| XRevan86 | For the people who were considered part of the cult from birth that literally means having no choice. | Jan 02 14:43 |
| scientes | and intolerance | Jan 02 14:43 |
| scientes | XRevan86, it certainly was threatening to the CCCP in Xin Jiang | Jan 02 14:44 |
| XRevan86 | > I feel that is the whole strong point about worshipping god over a person, is that you then can critically think | Jan 02 14:44 |
| XRevan86 | I have no idea what you mean by that. | Jan 02 14:44 |
| scientes | they saw a new generation growing up with cell phones, and the children seeking out a muslim identity on their phones | Jan 02 14:44 |
| scientes | XRevan86, pretending that someone doesn't exist will you a fist in the face | Jan 02 14:45 |
| scientes | and this was an identity that 1. the CCCP had no control over, and 2. was seen as "not Chinese" | Jan 02 14:46 |
| scientes | XRevan86, yeah, most worship is just the hypocrites copying other people | Jan 02 14:48 |
| XRevan86 | The best thing about worshipping God over a person is that God doesn't exist, so there's no dirt under the rug – there is no dirt, and no rug. | Jan 02 14:49 |
| scientes | yeah, that is what I was saying | Jan 02 14:49 |
| scientes | which is best developed in Brothers Karamazov | Jan 02 14:50 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: huh | Jan 02 15:02 |
| scientes | <XRevan86> The best thing about worshipping God over a person is that God doesn't exist, so there's no dirt under the rug – there is no dirt, and no rug. | Jan 02 15:03 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: I don't think we understood each other. | Jan 02 15:03 |
| scientes | I agree with this statement | Jan 02 15:04 |
| scientes | it is possible to worship something that doesn't exist | Jan 02 15:04 |
| XRevan86 | What I meant is that it's impossible to debunk God, because there's nothing to debunk. | Jan 02 15:05 |
| scientes | ahhh, and I am saying that that is the best part about god | Jan 02 15:05 |
| XRevan86 | If a person believes that God exists, there's just nothing to do. | Jan 02 15:05 |
| XRevan86 | If a person believes in a particular fortune-teller, there are ways to debunk. | Jan 02 15:06 |
| XRevan86 | So a belief in an abstract being that doesn't exist is stronger and will persist for much longer, than a belief in a person. | Jan 02 15:06 |
| scientes | but that is why we have flying spagetti monster | Jan 02 15:06 |
| XRevan86 | "the thing" in terms of survivability of a cult | Jan 02 15:07 |
| XRevan86 | * "the best thing" | Jan 02 15:07 |
| XRevan86 | No contradictions with reality because no intersections with reality. | Jan 02 15:08 |
| XRevan86 | The weakest points of Judaism, Christianity and Islam are related to reality: facts and historical accounts. | Jan 02 15:10 |
| scientes | <XRevan86> No contradictions with reality because no intersections with reality. | Jan 02 15:10 |
| XRevan86 | They made this shit up at least to some extent, and it shows. | Jan 02 15:10 |
| scientes | but that is related to incorrect expectations | Jan 02 15:10 |
| scientes | XRevan86, if god doesn't exist, you HAVE to make it up | Jan 02 15:11 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: A perfect religion would try not to make predictions about reality. | Jan 02 15:11 |
| XRevan86 | because that is how its fraudulent nature gets exposed | Jan 02 15:11 |
| scientes | ugggh | Jan 02 15:12 |
| scientes | I need a vulkan driver | Jan 02 15:12 |
| scientes | fuck NVIDIA | Jan 02 15:12 |
| scientes | to play windows games | Jan 02 15:12 |
| XRevan86 | Real religions just go "okay, this is factually incorrect, but it's a metaphor, even if it's explicitly stated that it's not a metaphor" | Jan 02 15:13 |
| scientes | yeah, but haven't you even played that "opposite day" game? | Jan 02 15:14 |
| XRevan86 | > if god doesn't exist, you HAVE to make it up | Jan 02 15:14 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: Voltaire, eh? | Jan 02 15:14 |
| scientes | XRevan86, Candide and Pangloss certainly do get bored when they find El Dorado where philsophy is studied | Jan 02 15:14 |
| scientes | and people talk about such silly things as the existance of God | Jan 02 15:15 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: Like when SMBC does it? | Jan 02 15:15 |
| scientes | that web site annoys me | Jan 02 15:15 |
| scientes | I had to spend too much time blocking annoying parts of the page, and there is still one ad I can't seem to block | Jan 02 15:16 |
| XRevan86 | seems to be fine for me | Jan 02 15:16 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: As long as such discussions are treated in the same fashion as discussions of Klingon politics, I don't have a problem with that. | Jan 02 15:17 |
| XRevan86 | Spock united Vulkans and Romulans, can you believe it? | Jan 02 15:18 |
| XRevan86 | such character! | Jan 02 15:18 |
| scientes | XRevan86, he should unite Vulkan and NVIDIA | Jan 02 15:19 |
| scientes | so I can play these games | Jan 02 15:19 |
| XRevan86 | * Vulcans | Jan 02 15:19 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: Should've gotten an amdgpu | Jan 02 15:20 |
| scientes | nouveau works | Jan 02 15:20 |
| scientes | it just doesn't support vulkan | Jan 02 15:20 |
| scientes | which is how wine provides better DX support | Jan 02 15:20 |
| *XRevan86 opened a Wikipedia article on Vulcans and looked for any mention of "elf": surprisingly none. | Jan 02 15:22 | |
| scientes | haha | Jan 02 15:22 |
| MinceR | <(^_^)> | Jan 02 15:23 |
| XRevan86 | > From Middle English elf, from Old English ælf, from Proto-Germanic *albiz. Ultimately probably derived from Proto-Indo-European *h₂elbʰós (“white”). | Jan 02 15:24 |
| XRevan86 | elves are the white people! | Jan 02 15:24 |
| scientes | ubuntu doesn't even seem to have users anymore | Jan 02 15:24 |
| psydroid | lol | Jan 02 15:25 |
| MinceR | good | Jan 02 15:27 |
| psydroid | Ubuntu is just something I install(ed) for friends and relatives | Jan 02 15:28 |
| XRevan86 | There's lots of potential here. Not as much as with "family" (slavery normalisation) though. | Jan 02 15:29 |
| scientes | cell phone OSes are really difficult to develo | Jan 02 15:29 |
| scientes | there are so many more issues that desktops don't have | Jan 02 15:29 |
| psydroid | but I should install something else in the future now that they are pushing Snap and the likes | Jan 02 15:29 |
| scientes | psydroid, yeah, I plan to switch to Debian, but it ain't gonna happen anytime soon | Jan 02 15:30 |
| scientes | also, the problem with mobile is that you can't develop on the same device | Jan 02 15:31 |
| scientes | which kinda takes away some of the motivation | Jan 02 15:31 |
| MinceR | you could, if they weren't so limited by design | Jan 02 15:32 |
| scientes | MinceR, I guess I could with a hdmi monitor | Jan 02 15:33 |
| scientes | but i don't have an hdmi in on my laptop | Jan 02 15:33 |
| psydroid | scientes, I've been running Debian Sid on some machines without any noteworthy problems, so I've been cutting down on the number of Ubuntu installs and only have one left | Jan 02 15:34 |
| scientes | psydroid, yeah I run as few machines as possible | Jan 02 15:34 |
| scientes | it is just my laptop and phone | Jan 02 15:35 |
| scientes | I have a few vpses but I basically just set up wireguard and znc and then ignore them | Jan 02 15:35 |
| psydroid | that's what I do too, as I don't like admining machines and wasting too much time that way | Jan 02 15:36 |
| MinceR | https://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/the-end-of-history | Jan 02 15:36 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.smbc-comics.com | Saturday Morning Breakfast Cereal - The End of History | Jan 02 15:36 | |
| psydroid | or I only install updates when I actually use the machines | Jan 02 15:37 |
| XRevan86 | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Williams_syndrome#Society_and_culture hm | Jan 02 15:37 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Williams syndrome - Wikipedia | Jan 02 15:37 | |
| scientes | I dislike the politics of open source software | Jan 02 15:39 |
| scientes | yeah ELF is actually a decent format | Jan 02 15:50 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: What a good format, what a bigoted name :3 | Jan 02 15:50 |
| XRevan86 | it's both racist and able-ist | Jan 02 15:51 |
| XRevan86 | I can actually see this catch on if it were not me who saw that connection but BuzzFeed or something. | Jan 02 15:52 |
| XRevan86 | + maybe sexist | Jan 02 15:53 |
| XRevan86 | Because skinny elf ladies in video games. | Jan 02 15:55 |
| MinceR | what happened to male elves? | Jan 02 15:56 |
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| XRevan86 | oh, and also body shaming | Jan 02 15:56 |
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| XRevan86 | MinceR: Not as favoured in video games. | Jan 02 15:56 |
| MinceR | only some of the best, like Heretic and Heretic II :> | Jan 02 15:56 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Come on, don't ruin my narrative of elf social injustice. | Jan 02 15:57 |
| MinceR | lol | Jan 02 15:57 |
| XRevan86 | Oh, orc and ogre are technically the same thing. | Jan 02 16:01 |
| XRevan86 | I had no idea. | Jan 02 16:01 |
| XRevan86 | And in Italian orco is man-eating giant | Jan 02 16:02 |
| XRevan86 | that explains why in the Russian dub of Shrek he was a man-eater. | Jan 02 16:03 |
| XRevan86 | Never made sense to me, now it does. | Jan 02 16:03 |
| XRevan86 | Well, partially. "man-eater" kind of ruins the whole narrative of Shrek and is probably the worst word to use even if it makes some historical or etymological sense. | Jan 02 16:05 |
| kingoffrance | i saw a thing about little ppl being highly valued in egypt and elsewhere, various cultures, but youll have to research and i have in no way done so; didnt go into detail beyond height | Jan 02 16:08 |
| XRevan86 | https://smbc-comics.com/comic/numbers-3 | Jan 02 16:10 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.smbc-comics.com | Saturday Morning Breakfast Cereal - Numbers | Jan 02 16:10 | |
| XRevan86 | A symbol for 2π could be ᲅ :) | Jan 02 16:12 |
| MinceR | :) | Jan 02 16:14 |
| MinceR | isn't that closer to 1.5π? | Jan 02 16:14 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Imagine that two legs joined together into one :) | Jan 02 16:15 |
| scientes | æ | Jan 02 16:15 |
| MinceR | https://www.smbc-comics.com/comics/160960286720210102after.png | Jan 02 16:15 |
| scientes | Æ | Jan 02 16:15 |
| scientes | <XRevan86> Oh, orc and ogre are technically the same thing. | Jan 02 16:16 |
| scientes | not in video games | Jan 02 16:16 |
| MinceR | or in most fantasy settings | Jan 02 16:16 |
| scientes | XRevan86, he was too cute to be a man-eater? | Jan 02 16:16 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: He didn't eat men. | Jan 02 16:17 |
| scientes | but he was an ogre | Jan 02 16:17 |
| *scientes now forgets the plot of Shrek | Jan 02 16:17 | |
| scientes | doesn't help that they made sequels | Jan 02 16:17 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: Which inside the lore of Shrek didn't mean that he ate people. | Jan 02 16:17 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: Yes, but it's the same word, "ogre" is just French for orc. | Jan 02 16:18 |
| scientes | yeah but its kind beauty and the beast | Jan 02 16:18 |
| scientes | and the beast doesn't eat men | Jan 02 16:18 |
| scientes | but he is still a beast | Jan 02 16:18 |
| MinceR | https://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/gender | Jan 02 16:18 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.smbc-comics.com | Saturday Morning Breakfast Cereal - Gender | Jan 02 16:18 | |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Wrote an email to Zach, maybe he'll "fix" the after.png :D | Jan 02 16:19 |
| MinceR | in D&D, even the type of ogre is different from that of orc | Jan 02 16:19 |
| MinceR | (giant vs humanoid) | Jan 02 16:19 |
| scientes | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NbDX_5Nmy1o | Jan 02 16:19 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Beauty and the Beast Live- Me - YouTube | Jan 02 16:19 | |
| XRevan86 | I think the correlation between tau and te is a great combo. | Jan 02 16:19 |
| MinceR | i write the latter like a T anyway | Jan 02 16:20 |
| scientes | and Garcon certainly says that the beast is a man-eater | Jan 02 16:20 |
| scientes | so I think Shrek is the same thing | Jan 02 16:20 |
| scientes | Orge is what *other* people call Shrek | Jan 02 16:20 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Even in cursive? | Jan 02 16:21 |
| MinceR | only in cursive | Jan 02 16:21 |
| MinceR | scientes: isn't ogre Shrek's species? | Jan 02 16:21 |
| scientes | MinceR, a species that specializes in eating men? | Jan 02 16:21 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: The cursive te looks like m | Jan 02 16:21 |
| scientes | yes, it is | Jan 02 16:21 |
| scientes | but that is what makes him not a human | Jan 02 16:21 |
| MinceR | XRevan86: afaik there are 2 versions of it and the other looks like T | Jan 02 16:22 |
| scientes | as this is fantasy world | Jan 02 16:22 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: I am not aware of any other cursive variety. | Jan 02 16:22 |
| MinceR | do you call all handwriting "cursive"? | Jan 02 16:22 |
| scientes | MinceR, he doesn't even know how to write Latin in cursive | Jan 02 16:23 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: No, just a specific variety that joins all letters together. | Jan 02 16:23 |
| MinceR | ah | Jan 02 16:24 |
| MinceR | then i guess my handwriting wasn't "cursive" even then :> | Jan 02 16:24 |
| MinceR | since then i've stopped joining letters together because i realized it made my writing a lot more readable and didn't slow me down | Jan 02 16:24 |
| XRevan86 | https://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/195431/137106206.7b6/0_204da3_f1e53206_orig | Jan 02 16:26 |
| scientes | uggh | Jan 02 16:27 |
| scientes | I just barely learned to read printed cyrillic | Jan 02 16:27 |
| XRevan86 | 2 марᲅа. Дикᲅанᲅ. Родина-маᲅь. | Jan 02 16:27 |
| scientes | I read куркумни today | Jan 02 16:28 |
| scientes | uggh my keyboard skills are horrible | Jan 02 16:28 |
| XRevan86 | Curcumin? | Jan 02 16:28 |
| scientes | its a spice | Jan 02 16:28 |
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| XRevan86 | While looking for examples I also saw https://mixnews.lv/wp-content/uploads/2019/11/23/1557226406_0001-e1574497067690.jpg | Jan 02 16:29 |
| scientes | https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%97%D0%B8%D1%80%D0%B0_(%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%B5) | Jan 02 16:29 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ru.wikipedia.org | Зира (растение) — Википедия | Jan 02 16:29 | |
| scientes | hmmm doesn't use that here | Jan 02 16:30 |
| XRevan86 | so elaborate | Jan 02 16:30 |
| scientes | but i could read it cause it was the same as english | Jan 02 16:30 |
| scientes | ქართული | Jan 02 16:30 |
| scientes | but the georgian wikipedia page has it different | Jan 02 16:31 |
| scientes | no that wasn't it in georgian on tha packaging either | Jan 02 16:31 |
| scientes | it was the same as the cyrillic | Jan 02 16:31 |
| scientes | oh damn | Jan 02 16:32 |
| scientes | first, curcuma | Jan 02 16:32 |
| scientes | but its actually goldenseal | Jan 02 16:32 |
| scientes | now that i ate some | Jan 02 16:33 |
| scientes | and maybe i just dont know what the hell it is | Jan 02 16:33 |
| scientes | tumeric | Jan 02 16:34 |
| scientes | but it doesn't taste like tumeric | Jan 02 16:34 |
| scientes | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curcuma | Jan 02 16:34 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Curcuma - Wikipedia | Jan 02 16:34 | |
| scientes | ok, i guess it is tumeric | Jan 02 16:35 |
| scientes | yeah that is what i thought it was | Jan 02 16:35 |
| scientes | i got cumin and tumeric confused | Jan 02 16:35 |
| scientes | its just old and has lost its flavor | Jan 02 16:35 |
| scientes | flavoring agent in many Asian cuisines, especially for curries, as well as for dyeing, characteristics imparted by the principal turmeric constituent, curcumin.[4] Turmeric | Jan 02 16:36 |
| scientes | cumin != curcumin | Jan 02 16:36 |
| MinceR | 02 172640 < XRevan86> https://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/195431/137106206.7b6/0_204da3_f1e53206_orig | Jan 02 16:37 |
| MinceR | ah yes, the famous infinite string of joined U shapes | Jan 02 16:37 |
| MinceR | good luck finding out what it means | Jan 02 16:37 |
| scientes | MinceR, Latin cursive loots similar | Jan 02 16:38 |
| scientes | so are you saying you can't read cursive? | Jan 02 16:38 |
| MinceR | latin cursive sometimes has the same issue, but to a lesser extent | Jan 02 16:38 |
| scientes | the Zs are the same | Jan 02 16:38 |
| MinceR | in russian cursive, и can look identical to лл or м | Jan 02 16:39 |
| MinceR | and there's no dot on i-s :> | Jan 02 16:40 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: This is post-reform, there are no i-s | Jan 02 16:40 |
| MinceR | i know | Jan 02 16:40 |
| MinceR | but in latin cursive, a squiggly mess can at least be somewhat disambiguated by the dots | Jan 02 16:41 |
| MinceR | https://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/ceres | Jan 02 16:51 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.smbc-comics.com | Saturday Morning Breakfast Cereal - Ceres | Jan 02 16:51 | |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Not really identical. | Jan 02 16:56 |
| XRevan86 | лл will have a bump in the middle that м will not have | Jan 02 16:57 |
| XRevan86 | and и will not have a preceding bump that м will have | Jan 02 16:57 |
| MinceR | i'm sure that will be reliably and unambiguously reproduced every time in handwriting :> | Jan 02 16:57 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: It actually will. | Jan 02 16:58 |
| XRevan86 | Now what is actually a problem is various combinations of и, ш and т | Jan 02 16:58 |
| XRevan86 | partially solvable by (unenforced) strokes above т and below ш | Jan 02 16:59 |
| MinceR | fully solvable by writing discrete letters :> | Jan 02 16:59 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Next thing you'll say a ballpoint pen is actually a common thing :) | Jan 02 17:01 |
| XRevan86 | https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/7b/Fountain_pen_writing_%28literacy%29.jpg | Jan 02 17:01 |
| XRevan86 | A photograph of a fountain pen on Wikipedia, coincidentally above some Russian cursive writing %) | Jan 02 17:01 |
| MinceR | gel pens and fountain pens are so much better than plain ballpoint pens :> | Jan 02 17:02 |
| XRevan86 | Ironically I can't actually read it | Jan 02 17:05 |
| MinceR | because it's cursive :> | Jan 02 17:07 |
| scientes | these user interrupts in riscv are really interesting | Jan 02 17:07 |
| MinceR | i got tired of having to press ballpoint pens down hard and still get breaks in ink, so i switched to fountain pens | Jan 02 17:08 |
| MinceR | and then used those until i wrote so rarely my pen dried out between every two instances of writing, then i got gel pens :) | Jan 02 17:09 |
| MinceR | though allegedly there is some fountain pen that won't dry out | Jan 02 17:09 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: I think I figured it out: I think this is South Slavic. | Jan 02 17:09 |
| MinceR | :) | Jan 02 17:09 |
| XRevan86 | Bulgarian more specifically | Jan 02 17:12 |
| XRevan86 | but maybe not, I am confused by this | Jan 02 17:12 |
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| MinceR | (audio:important) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WclnwYyhcos | Jan 02 18:04 |
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| MinceR | https://ircz.de/p/20072252 | Jan 02 18:50 |
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| XRevan86 | MinceR: So the solar system is the centre of the universe? | Jan 02 18:58 |
| MinceR | no, i am :> | Jan 02 18:59 |
| MinceR | or maybe Azathoth is | Jan 02 19:04 |
| XRevan86 | One of the two. | Jan 02 19:04 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Well, if the universe is expanding then there is no permanent center to the universe. | Jan 02 19:06 |
| XRevan86 | DaemonFC[m]: Unless it expands uniformly in all directions. | Jan 02 19:06 |
| DaemonFC[m] | We don't know that it does. | Jan 02 19:06 |
| MinceR | well, if you define a center for it, that is the point that stands still and everything expands from | Jan 02 19:06 |
| XRevan86 | DaemonFC[m]: We do know that MinceR is at the centre, so your argument is invalid. | Jan 02 19:07 |
| DaemonFC[m] | In an explosion, you don't have the exact same amount of energy released in all directions at once. | Jan 02 19:07 |
| MinceR | explosions are finite in size, though | Jan 02 19:09 |
| XRevan86 | O.K., fine, but can we at least agree that that point from which the matter was released is where MinceR is? | Jan 02 19:09 |
| MinceR | it's easy to find the center of such an object | Jan 02 19:09 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So if there was a variance in the big bang then the universe would not be a uniform shape, but it would still have a definable center, but only if you knew exactly how to calculate it. | Jan 02 19:09 |
| XRevan86 | or maybe Azathoth | Jan 02 19:09 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So it's perhaps unknowable. | Jan 02 19:09 |
| XRevan86 | No means to find out != unknowable | Jan 02 19:10 |
| XRevan86 | There is nothing more constant than change… of the Firefox menu design. | Jan 02 19:12 |
| MinceR | :> | Jan 02 19:13 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | I finally figured out whether to use the I-864A or not. | Jan 02 19:28 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The lawyers are correct that you could include the income from your spouse on the I-864, but if you are depending upon it to bring the household above the poverty line, you should have that household member sign an I-864A to get a firm committment to support the household. | Jan 02 19:28 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So the form is correct, but the instructions have you fill it out in a way that's easier for the immigration officer to deny. | Jan 02 19:29 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Well, that's nice. MinceR Government. | Jan 02 19:29 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | If you disregard the instructions on the form and fill out an I-864A even though that immigrant doesn't have to, it won't be denied and it will make it harder for the officer to deem them likely public charge or say your household doesn't have enough income. | Jan 02 19:30 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | Because they signed an actual binding contract that obligates them to pay back the government if they use a named public benefit in the next 5 years. | Jan 02 19:31 |
| MinceR | what does it have to do with me? | Jan 02 19:31 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The government lies even by telling the truth. | Jan 02 19:31 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I thought you'd get a kick out of it. | Jan 02 19:31 |
| DaemonFC[m] | If they had waited even another month this would have been easier to fill out. I'm not going to have all of the tax forms I need by January 26th for the 2020 tax year. | Jan 02 19:33 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's almost like they want to set us up to fail. They schedule a day where there's likely to be a snowstorm, they do it when they know we won't have a tax filing prepared for the past year. | Jan 02 19:33 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: Google is deliberately sabotaging other browsers and VPN users especially. I wonder how long before Firefox has to change search providers. | Jan 02 19:37 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Many other browsers have already signed deals with either Microsoft or DuckDuckGo, because Google's sabotage is affecting their users. | Jan 02 19:38 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Some revenue for GNOME comes from DuckDuckGo, but not a lot. Many distributions don't even include GNOME Web by default. | Jan 02 19:38 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I think I read somewhere that Debian does now. | Jan 02 19:39 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Things with Firefox have finally gotten to the point where it can't even be argued that it's Free Software anymore. | Jan 02 19:39 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's adware and spyware and includes many proprietary modules, and there's the same trademark issues there always were. | Jan 02 19:39 |
| DaemonFC[m] | DRM won vs. the open web. Mozilla didn't even make a fuss over it. | Jan 02 19:40 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They just said that they use a sandbox for the Widevine module. | Jan 02 19:41 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Assuming that malicious software can't escape the sandbox is a big if, and that's an aside. | Jan 02 19:41 |
| DaemonFC[m] | A sandbox is defense in depth from a malware assault, but sandboxes are never perfect. | Jan 02 19:41 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I wonder about IPFS, honestly. | Jan 02 19:42 |
| DaemonFC[m] | If the WebExtensions for Chrome and Firefox are good enough for someone to add support for it that way. | Jan 02 19:42 |
| DaemonFC[m] | These extensions are not powerful, and Google makes them less powerful all the time, and still they're always plenty powerful for hundreds of them to slip in ads and pop-ups, and keyloggers. | Jan 02 19:43 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Both Microsoft and Google boast about their security with the extensions, but they both got exposed for having many of the same malicious extensions, again, recently. | Jan 02 19:44 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So neither company's review process, whatever that is, foiled it. | Jan 02 19:44 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Microsoft has a store for Edge, but it's hard to imagine why. They're so indifferent to whatever Google does to the platform that they haven't made any changes that would render Chrome extensions incompatible that I have seen. | Jan 02 19:45 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The fact that Microsoft has their own store makes Edge even less secure, because often the Edge version of an extension does not get published by the original author. | Jan 02 19:46 |
| DaemonFC[m] | And the more hands these things pass through, the more likely it is that someone adds something bad. | Jan 02 19:47 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's another chance for someone to have bad intentions. | Jan 02 19:47 |
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| MinceR | https://ircz.de/p/20071958 | Jan 02 20:33 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object (4766503) | Jan 02 20:33 | |
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| tr_guest|82710 | Simón says "It follows that pensioners will receive what is rightfully owed to them, i.e. pensions adjusted on the basis of the new adjustment method adopted unanimously by the Council". Who says "rightfully" ? | Jan 02 21:03 |
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| Ariadne | schestowitz: rDNS has been fixed, email should work fine now. you may have to update any SPF records to reflect the IP change though | Jan 02 22:21 |
| MinceR | (cat) (audio:music) https://vid.pr0gramm.com/2020/11/20/0fe9ab7a845ebfa1.mp4 | Jan 02 22:43 |
| MinceR | https://ircz.de/p/20071818 | Jan 02 22:54 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object (4762712) | Jan 02 22:54 | |
| schestowitz | Ariadne: thanks! | Jan 02 23:09 |
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| schestowitz | Ariadne: can you PM me bank details so we can pay you? | Jan 02 23:47 |
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