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psydroidI think they're making the best of the situation, but I hope this won't be the normalityJan 02 00:00
psydroidhowever society at large is more important and things are quite unclear at the momentJan 02 00:01
schestowitzfootball is crucial at the momentJan 02 00:01
schestowitzhelps distract the "plebs" from what's happening to the economyJan 02 00:01
schestowitzfood safety etc.Jan 02 00:01
schestowitz"Sure, I have no job to go back to next Monday, but at least UNITED is tops"Jan 02 00:02
psydroidyeahJan 02 00:03
schestowitzthe article from nytimes with rms in it is spreading 02 00:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Life without Amazon (well, almost) - The Morning CallJan 02 00:05
schestowitzhe's mentioned thereJan 02 00:05
schestowitz5th copy of this article I see todayJan 02 00:05
schestowitz"Jan 02 00:06
schestowitz>> Roy, sorry about that, and sorry it took me so incredibly long; that wasJan 02 00:06
schestowitz>> unexpected, and I was under incredible pressure.Jan 02 00:06
schestowitz> As many people are these days.Jan 02 00:06
schestowitzIndeed.Jan 02 00:06
schestowitz> Splitting groups apart is a strategy noted in internal documentsJan 02 00:06
schestowitz> (Microsoft), and my writings are different from fig's (I disagree withJan 02 00:06
schestowitz> him on many things actually).Jan 02 00:06
schestowitz*nod*Jan 02 00:06
schestowitzSome people have some trouble understanding this, that you post stuff onJan 02 00:06
schestowitza site you control even when you don't quite agree with it.  RichardJan 02 00:06
schestowitzmade a good point about this in an internal FSF discussion the otherJan 02 00:06
schestowitzday: newspapers often publish diverse opinions too.Jan 02 00:06
schestowitzHe liked very much the article you published last week, in which youJan 02 00:06
schestowitzexplained that techrights supports the FSF.  He was pretty much sold onJan 02 00:06
schestowitzthe idea of giving you the interview you've been trying to arrange forJan 02 00:06
schestowitzquite a while.Jan 02 00:06
schestowitz"Jan 02 00:06
schestowitz^^Jan 02 00:06
schestowitzwon't sat who's quoted, but some can guessJan 02 00:06
psydroidI guess I know who that is, but the message is most importantJan 02 00:08
schestowitzpeople whom we criticise try to incite against usJan 02 00:08
schestowitzthe usual tricksJan 02 00:08
schestowitzbasically baselessJan 02 00:08
schestowitzor attributed to other peopleJan 02 00:08
schestowitz"Jan 02 00:09
schestowitzAlas, others expressed concerns about the apparent change of positionJan 02 00:09
schestowitzfrom the site, which I was unable to dispell, and about its being aJan 02 00:09
schestowitz"conspiracy site", which hurt even me to hear, but Richard, in his usualJan 02 00:09
schestowitzway ake of listening to everyone's concerns, agreed to keep it on holdJan 02 00:09
schestowitzfor a bit longer, and to look at the "conspiracy" posts that were to beJan 02 00:09
schestowitzsent his way.  JohnS mention stuff about nazis and unfounded rumours andJan 02 00:09
schestowitzPocock and whatnot.  Richard was to look into it and then possibly letJan 02 00:09
schestowitzyou know his thoughts on publishing that sort of material.Jan 02 00:09
schestowitzAnyway, I wanted to share that you've scored quite a goal with that oneJan 02 00:09
schestowitzarticle, and that Richard is listening positively to you, though thereJan 02 00:09
schestowitzis internal pressure against techrights that I think may be very hard toJan 02 00:09
schestowitzturn around.  Which is pretty much the same uphill battle some of usJan 02 00:09
schestowitzhave been fighting within the FSF, and gaining ground only veryJan 02 00:09
schestowitzdisappointingly slowly.Jan 02 00:09
schestowitzThanks for your support throughout these difficult times!Jan 02 00:09
schestowitz"Jan 02 00:09
schestowitzI wonder what those posts areJan 02 00:10
schestowitzsurely not the IBM onesJan 02 00:10
schestowitzI am guessing Pocock on things like FSFEJan 02 00:10
schestowitzbut who knows...Jan 02 00:10
schestowitzTechrights associate: "Yes, ad hominem is all the opponents of Software Freedom have to come with, but they use it because to a certain extent it works.  However, congratulations again on the good work and I am relieved that RMS and xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx are seeing the benefit of TR.Jan 02 00:11
schestowitz"I'll look longer at the long form response.  It is very important to continue to support RMS and his long standing efforts towards Software Freedom."Jan 02 00:11
psydroidyou can't please all of the people all of the time and sometimes you cause problems or discomfort without even tryingJan 02 00:12
schestowitzwell, it's like this:Jan 02 00:16
schestowitz1. we have a coupJan 02 00:16
schestowitz2. some  people want powerJan 02 00:16
schestowitz3. they succeeded to some degreeJan 02 00:16
schestowitz4. all communications of RMS must not go through someone elseJan 02 00:16
schestowitz5. we point out 1-4Jan 02 00:16
schestowitz6. coup initiators not happyJan 02 00:16
schestowitz7. attack (5), make sure people are not aware of the coup or don't think of it as suchJan 02 00:16
schestowitzit's funny when RMS is like "ask me again later on" (like "I need to ask for permissiom")Jan 02 00:16
schestowitzthis is what the FSF becameJan 02 00:16
schestowitzlike a PR department trying to save itself from its own founderJan 02 00:16
schestowitzor so they tell usJan 02 00:17
schestowitzpeople joined and paid FSF for voices like his, not a bunch of poets who try to tell him when to keep quiet and attribute that to "safe space" policiesJan 02 00:17
schestowitzbrb coffeeJan 02 00:17
XRevan86CrystalMath: The script in this episode is very stupid.Jan 02 00:22
psydroidyes, so it's still not the true message the FSF should be spreading and actually did for such a long timeJan 02 00:24
psydroidtransparency within an organisation is also importantJan 02 00:25
schestowitzwe did it for themJan 02 00:26
schestowitz 02 00:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Inside the Free Software Foundation (FSF) – Part IX: Semi-Happy Ending | TechrightsJan 02 00:26
schestowitzseriesJan 02 00:26
schestowitz 02 00:28
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Inside the Free Software Foundation (FSF) – Part II: The Majority of the Board Supports Richard Stallman | TechrightsJan 02 00:28
schestowitzJust for the recordJan 02 00:39
schestowitzFSF is OKJan 02 00:39
schestowitzbut there are factions in itJan 02 00:39
schestowitzyou can find evidence of it in the public space as wellJan 02 00:39
schestowitzthey're still vying for powerJan 02 00:39
schestowitzone faction is very much with us at techrightsJan 02 00:39
schestowitzthe other wants to drift in some questionable directionJan 02 00:40
schestowitzwhich is not what FSF earned support for in the first placeJan 02 00:40
schestowitzFSF had a weakness exploitedJan 02 00:40
schestowitzI saw the same in OSIJan 02 00:40
schestowitzyou let people into positions of power -- people who don't truly value and sometimes don't understand FSJan 02 00:41
schestowitzLF is what happens when you drift waaaaaaay outside the original scopeJan 02 00:41
psydroidis it people with a hunger for power vying over the increased power in the marketplace caused by the huge success of free software?Jan 02 00:41
schestowitzand start hiring even MicrosoftersJan 02 00:41
schestowitzLF in its early days... had a CTO called.... Ian MURDOCK!Jan 02 00:41
schestowitzIn techrights the circle is still a little small, but at least we know who's whoJan 02 00:42
schestowitzthe whole "opening up" thing is an Open Source modus operandiJan 02 00:42
schestowitzit means open up to intrusion and controversyJan 02 00:42
schestowitzFSFE had that tooJan 02 00:43
schestowitzGeorg Greve was AWESOMEJan 02 00:43
schestowitzwhen he left it became just a cash cow for companies it was supposed to combat and vice versaJan 02 00:43
schestowitzI have not kept track of where Greve is, I assume still at Kolab but lower profileJan 02 00:43
schestowitzsame for aaron seigoJan 02 00:44
schestowitzcanadian, moved to switzerland for work last I heardJan 02 00:44
schestowitzI am not sure if Greve is a Swiss, German, or both in nationalityJan 02 00:44
schestowitzPJ disappeared complete, said she'd keep a Kolab account for communicationsJan 02 00:45
schestowitznot her entire site is offline, since late October, i.e. 2  months agoJan 02 00:45
schestowitzhttp://groklaw.netJan 02 00:45
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psydroidGeorg Greve is German apparentlyJan 02 00:46
psydroidor well, that's what Wikipedia saysJan 02 00:47
schestowitzlots of Germans want to be seen as SwissJan 02 00:47
schestowitzor move thereJan 02 00:47
schestowitzbeing german has negative connotation when you visit some placesJan 02 00:47
*schestowitz is german nationalJan 02 00:47
schestowitzsome hours ago a German friend sent this to me:Jan 02 00:48
schestowitz"Jan 02 00:48
schestowitzPlease don't attribute this to me:Jan 02 00:48
schestowitzThe part about the EU Commission, under French pressure (which must have involved Breton for sure, as he's the French commissioner), being responsible for many people dying now as they haven't procured enough doses of COVID-19 vaccines, is really bad stuff.Jan 02 00:48
schestowitzDer Spiegel and Focus are the two leading newsweeklies in Germany. Spiegel is center-left/liberal; Focus is center-right/libertarian. If they agree, it means something. And especially Spiegel is typically very much pro-EU.Jan 02 00:48
schestowitzThe current French administration is really a disaster for the EU. If Breton protected the French automotive industry, that would help against those Nordic patent trolls. Instead, he helps his long-standing friends in the telecoms sector. But when it came to COVID-19 vaccine procurement, he apparently blocked the purchase of hundreds of millions of more doses from Pfizer/BioNTech and Moderna.Jan 02 00:48
schestowitzPeople will die, and the economic damage will dwarf whatever could go wrong in the automotive patent context...Jan 02 00:48
schestowitzTrust me I don't give a damn that BioNTech is a German company; Pfizer and Moderna are American companies, and BioNTech was founded by Turkish immigrants, so it's not a matter of national pride. Even if a good vaccine came from Japan or Chile, I'd say "let's buy it".Jan 02 00:48
schestowitzBest regards,Jan 02 00:48
schestowitz"Jan 02 00:48
psydroidI've been asked to move to Switzerland by former colleagues before as well, but I'm here for my studies and things got a bit delayed due to health issuesJan 02 00:48
schestowitzSwitzerland is the country I visited the most as a touristJan 02 00:49
schestowitzmy grandma is from thereJan 02 00:49
schestowitzshe still has (well, she died ages ago) lots of family and relatives in Zurich area and elsewhereJan 02 00:50
schestowitzbut Switzerland is overratedJan 02 00:50
schestowitzLots of issues with SwitzerlandJan 02 00:50
schestowitzit's a bank as 'country'Jan 02 00:50
schestowitza bit like Singapore, Macao, HK, London/City of London, Amsterdam, Lichtenstein, Panama... Jan 02 00:51
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: I've been looking into alternatives in case the interview is a disaster or something.Jan 02 00:53
schestowitzSwitzerland's population nearly double in decades, partly because it brain-drained other countries for the pharma and tech sector and partly because of the human rights aspect (which mean you import 'low-skilled' people)Jan 02 00:53
schestowitz*doubledJan 02 00:53
DaemonFC[m]Among them is posting a public charge bond ensuring that they have our money on file in case he ever applied for a benefit, which is $9,500 on file with them for 5 years and then you can apply to get it back.Jan 02 00:53
DaemonFC[m]Tough, but I could get it. Another is just moving to the Philippines myself.Jan 02 00:53
schestowitz"In 2016, presidential candidate, Donald Trump said he would look into H1B visa abuse if he was elected.  After he won the election, he seemed to forget his promise." 02 00:53
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | My Personal Blog: Why the Year 1990 Was So ImportantJan 02 00:54
schestowitz(new post)Jan 02 00:54
schestowitzhe makes a good pointJan 02 00:54
schestowitzabout diploma millsJan 02 00:54
schestowitzwe had many 'fake' colleges here alsoJan 02 00:54
schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: it's OK to retire inJan 02 00:54
DaemonFC[m]I hear it isn't difficult to get approval from them to live there.Jan 02 00:54
schestowitzyou would struggle financially over thereJan 02 00:54
schestowitzobviously they want foreigners to bring their skills and money thereJan 02 00:55
DaemonFC[m]Actually, the money I have coming in is about 3x what a nurse's salary is.Jan 02 00:55
schestowitzbut you can barely make a livingJan 02 00:55
DaemonFC[m]From what I understand.Jan 02 00:55
schestowitzmore so during lockdownsJan 02 00:55
psydroidone of my colleagues in Dublin told me that all the German speakers quit their jobs with the company after a year and moved to Switzerland for jobs with twice the payJan 02 00:55
psydroidor even moreJan 02 00:55
schestowitzif they can, why not?Jan 02 00:55
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: My guess is they don't have any public programs that I'd "risk becoming dependent on", so very little downside to letting me stay there for a while. Jan 02 00:55
schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: the interview would be oKJan 02 00:56
schestowitzmandy committed no crimes and is workingJan 02 00:56
schestowitzthey go after easier pretyJan 02 00:56
schestowitz*preyJan 02 00:56
schestowitzunemployed and felonious Jan 02 00:56
psydroidyes, I speak German and French fluently, which is what I was hired forJan 02 00:56
schestowitzdon't think negative prematurelyJan 02 00:56
DaemonFC[m]It says I make as much as an airline pilot does there.Jan 02 00:57
schestowitzyou also speak English, so can apply for EPOJan 02 00:57
DaemonFC[m]I think we'd live.Jan 02 00:57
schestowitznot that they hire, they only pretend toJan 02 00:57
DaemonFC[m]EPO?Jan 02 00:57
schestowitzeuropean patent officeJan 02 00:57
schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: I replied to psydroidJan 02 00:57
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: Yes, falling into depression and disarray prematurely, I'm no use to anyone.Jan 02 00:58
DaemonFC[m]That's the only reason I'm forcing myself not to.Jan 02 00:58
schestowitznobody is doing well right nowJan 02 00:58
schestowitzeven those who claim they doJan 02 00:58
DaemonFC[m]But like I said, all options are on the table. All options. Jan 02 00:59
schestowitzbecause their safety nets perishJan 02 00:59
schestowitzfamily, government...Jan 02 00:59
schestowitzyou have no safeguardsJan 02 00:59
DaemonFC[m]I could move back to Indiana and obscure where I'm living.Jan 02 00:59
DaemonFC[m]But that's not really an option long term.Jan 02 01:00
schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: you could always fall back on AmericanDream(TM) with 6 maxed up "credit" cards and trucks bringing water to youJan 02 01:00
schestowitzthough banks don't lend much tight nowJan 02 01:00
DaemonFC[m]Three major lawsuits in a year involving two credit card companies and your mortgage bank.Jan 02 01:00
DaemonFC[m]We're living the "real life"!Jan 02 01:00
schestowitzthe lawyers  get some moneyJan 02 01:01
schestowitz'working' from homeJan 02 01:01
schestowitzbut their clients have limited means for payingJan 02 01:01
schestowitzUK is doing almost as badly a TrumplandJan 02 01:01
DaemonFC[m]This "everything is fine" ruse is wearing thin.Jan 02 01:02
schestowitzour national debt/gdp ratio is nowhere as crazyJan 02 01:02
DaemonFC[m]Even the dumb people aren't enough to really believe that.Jan 02 01:02
schestowitziirc, national gdp around 7 tr (used to be) and debt 2 trillion as of months agoJan 02 01:02
schestowitzus gdp is lower than national debtJan 02 01:02
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: Oh just wait. With the entire nation on lockdown....Jan 02 01:02
schestowitzso us is technically insolvent nowJan 02 01:02
DaemonFC[m]Well, it's a matter of what you call bad.Jan 02 01:02
DaemonFC[m]Low GDP growth and high debt is a feature of most countries now.Jan 02 01:03
schestowitzmilitiaBad(TM)Jan 02 01:03
DaemonFC[m]Japan is over 200%.Jan 02 01:03
schestowitzyes, i was just about to mention JapanJan 02 01:03
DaemonFC[m]The nation isn't on the verge of coming apart though.Jan 02 01:03
schestowitzand they lose lots of money on the IOC 'festival'Jan 02 01:03
schestowitzno "games" this year either, no wayJan 02 01:03
DaemonFC[m]Lots of suicide in Japan.Jan 02 01:03
schestowitzI read some blogs from thereJan 02 01:04
schestowitzyou live in a shoeboxJan 02 01:04
DaemonFC[m]Seems to be a culture of if you fail you're expected to off yourself. Jan 02 01:04
schestowitzsomewhere like TokyoJan 02 01:04
schestowitzwhere you get buries in a 'drawer' if you dieJan 02 01:04
schestowitzand they tell you to stay homeJan 02 01:04
schestowitzi.e. inside your shoeboxJan 02 01:04
schestowitzyou too would get depressedJan 02 01:04
schestowitznot going to work, where people are workaholic and associate life with workJan 02 01:05
schestowitzone-room apartments with buffers as separators (bad, kitchenette)... like your motel roomJan 02 01:05
DaemonFC[m]Yeah, that seemed to be part of Maricel's mad obsession with how much she worked.Jan 02 01:05
schestowitzrural japan is also densely populated, so you don't get that much choiceJan 02 01:05
DaemonFC[m]Most people see time at work as wasted being away from family and what they'd rather be doing.Jan 02 01:05
DaemonFC[m]A necessary evil in exchange for money.Jan 02 01:06
schestowitzthey forget what life is forJan 02 01:06
schestowitzit's not for making monetJan 02 01:06
schestowitzmoney is a way to get byJan 02 01:06
schestowitzand to generally contribute back to societyJan 02 01:06
schestowitzsee American PsychoJan 02 01:06
schestowitzbrbJan 02 01:06
schestowitzneed to hand overJan 02 01:06
schestowitzjust finished my shift at workJan 02 01:06
DaemonFC[m]Oh I already saw Filipino Psycho Mark in their white BMW nosing around the motel where were at.Jan 02 01:07
DaemonFC[m]Looking for Mandy...Jan 02 01:07
DaemonFC[m]She's been poking around trying to figure out where he is so she can get him in a corner and threaten him or something I guess.Jan 02 01:07
DaemonFC[m]My reading of this is that if she's really managed to slip out of her affidavit of support and she's disowned him, why would she care where he is?Jan 02 01:08
schestowitzkeep a distanceJan 02 01:08
schestowitzthe psychos are cornered nowJan 02 01:08
schestowitzunable to keep up with their "lifestyle"Jan 02 01:08
DaemonFC[m]I'm not at all certain that the government did let them out of that affidavit, Roy.Jan 02 01:09
DaemonFC[m]If they didn't, they're stuck agreeing to personally insure that he won't be a public charge if they grant his green card.Jan 02 01:10
DaemonFC[m]So of course they'd be panicking and trying to get to him if that's the case.Jan 02 01:10
DaemonFC[m]And they also would have wasted the money they paid the lawyer to fill out those papers. Jan 02 01:11
schestowitzyou'll be fineJan 02 01:11
schestowitzwait and seeJan 02 01:11
schestowitzthey look for easy targetsJan 02 01:11
schestowitzthe IRS does tooJan 02 01:11
schestowitzno lack of easy prey for Immigration Services or whatever they're called in your state/countryJan 02 01:12
schestowitzright now LOOOOOOADS of easy targetsJan 02 01:12
schestowitzunemployed couplesJan 02 01:12
schestowitzliving on government chequesJan 02 01:12
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: That's probably why USCIS reopened in the middle of this.Jan 02 01:12
DaemonFC[m]Drag everyone in there while the economy is bad.Jan 02 01:12
DaemonFC[m]Say "Oh, no income.... Byeeeee!".Jan 02 01:12
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schestowitzyusJan 02 01:13
schestowitzbasically thatJan 02 01:13
schestowitzmake sure that until the interview he keeps that promotionJan 02 01:13
DaemonFC[m]There's three main agencies in charge of immigration here. USCIS, ICE, and DOS.Jan 02 01:13
schestowitzand then it looks like Essential WorkerJan 02 01:13
schestowitzDOS?Jan 02 01:13
schestowitzlolJan 02 01:13
schestowitzDumb Operation SystemsJan 02 01:14
DaemonFC[m]Department of State handles immigrations applying from outside the country, USCIS is for inside, and ICE is the enforcement and removal division.Jan 02 01:14
schestowitzI think mandy should keep quiet in the interviewJan 02 01:15
schestowitzunless asked directlyJan 02 01:15
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: Well, several attorneys have told me no reason to panic. Just fill out a new affidavit of support with the sponsor/household member contract rider and all of the income verification stuff, and file it at the interview.Jan 02 01:15
schestowitzand even then reply brieflyJan 02 01:15
schestowitzboth of you ought to say as little as possibleJan 02 01:15
schestowitzthe more you say, the more they have for rejectionJan 02 01:16
DaemonFC[m]Yeah, one of the last things the lady at Catholic Charities told me is say as little as possible in there.Jan 02 01:16
schestowitzlet the paper be the only basis, then you're safeJan 02 01:16
DaemonFC[m]Yes/No answers if possible.Jan 02 01:16
schestowitzif not sure, say you need to think about itJan 02 01:16
DaemonFC[m]Someone he works with just went through the interview.Jan 02 01:16
DaemonFC[m]She says they were fairly nice to her and it took about 20 minutes.Jan 02 01:17
schestowitzthey go through checklistsJan 02 01:17
schestowitzjust "doing their job"Jan 02 01:17
DaemonFC[m]I can't really get our state ID cards updated.Jan 02 01:18
DaemonFC[m]The state government shut down the DMV for a couple of months and now everything is so backed up that even if they really do reopen in 4 days, people will be wrapped around Waukegan trying to get things renewed, in the snow and cold.Jan 02 01:18
schestowitzthat should not be an issueJan 02 01:19
schestowitzif you explain thatJan 02 01:19
schestowitzanyway, don't worryJan 02 01:19
schestowitzyou will be fine, I'm sureJan 02 01:19
schestowitzthey have much better "bad" people to meet quotas withJan 02 01:19
DaemonFC[m]True. I saw other people over the years when no emergency was going on, who said they didn't have the current address but brought leases and utility bills and stuff.Jan 02 01:20
DaemonFC[m]None of them had problems, so I'm sure they'll give us some leeway here.Jan 02 01:20
DaemonFC[m]Nobody gets to have exactly what they want (or need) all the time, life's a mess. Do everything you can.Jan 02 01:21
DaemonFC[m]Most of it goes through.Jan 02 01:21
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schestowitz>  zdnet incorrect about intel adoption of CoCJan 02 01:23
DaemonFC[m]"This retreat to the right by socialist public intellectuals and politicians revealed a profound lack of confidence in the viability of their professed politics. It also displayed a naiveté about the immediate danger posed by the neoliberal Democrats on the life-or-death issues of climate, poverty, racism, and war."Jan 02 01:23
schestowitzTHANKS!Jan 02 01:23
schestowitz 02 01:23
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DaemonFC[m]No, he's wrong. Trump was actively pushing to sabotage environmental regulations, even when sabotaging them also made no economic sense at all.Jan 02 01:24
DaemonFC[m]Reducing the fuel economy of vehicles puts us in a worse spot economically and as far as national security go.Jan 02 01:24
DaemonFC[m]Consumer spending is most of the economy and when gas prices are high, it crowds out spending in areas that create more employment in the US economy than oil "production".Jan 02 01:25
DaemonFC[m]Even worse, it drives up imports, sending our money to mostly arab countries.Jan 02 01:25
DaemonFC[m]So long before you even get to the climate, gas guzzlers are bad for the economy and national security.Jan 02 01:26
DaemonFC[m]But Trump knocked over the fuel economy standards because it played to the far-right, which hates the environment and can't even consider how this hurts them.Jan 02 01:26
schestowitz[01:25] <DaemonFC[m]> Consumer spending is most of the economy and when gas prices are high, it crowds out spending in areas that create more employment in the US economy than oil "production".Jan 02 01:28
schestowitzha, the nature makes oilJan 02 01:28
schestowitzhumans refine and subdivide the crude oilJan 02 01:29
schestowitzthe far-right as you call it can recruit and attract unemployable derilicts Jan 02 01:30
schestowitzthe depression+trump was a boon to themJan 02 01:30
schestowitzpeople who have little or nothing to loseJan 02 01:30
schestowitzlike your parents, I thinkJan 02 01:30
schestowitzwhose pension fund, if any, isn't secured at allJan 02 01:30
DaemonFC[m]They still can't figure out why Trump lost.Jan 02 01:41
DaemonFC[m]Hell, my dad doesn't even acknowledge that there was an election.Jan 02 01:42
DaemonFC[m]He's going with Chinese-ballots in a food truck.Jan 02 01:42
DaemonFC[m] 02 01:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Nancy Pelosi's San Francisco home vandalized with pig's head, message about $2k stimulus checks: ReportsJan 02 01:43
DaemonFC[m]John Dennis, chairman of the San Francisco Republican party, who ran against Pelosi in California’s 12th Congressional District in November, took a picture of the garage, which has since been covered up, and blamed “the violent left”.Jan 02 01:44
DaemonFC[m]“Lunatics leave pigs head & graffiti at Nancy Pelosi’s house,” he tweeted.Jan 02 01:44
DaemonFC[m]He added: “Dems like Pelosi will learn sooner or later: you cannot appease the violent left.”Jan 02 01:44
DaemonFC[m]----Jan 02 01:44
schestowitzwhy pig's head?Jan 02 01:44
DaemonFC[m]Like, where would you even get a pig's head?Jan 02 01:44
schestowitzfrom .phJan 02 01:44
schestowitzthey present these Jan 02 01:44
schestowitzas foodJan 02 01:44
schestowitzbut...Jan 02 01:44
schestowitzpelosi sound itaian/catholics to meJan 02 01:44
schestowitzthe pig's head thing you'd do on a MuslimJan 02 01:45
schestowitzas happened here beforeJan 02 01:45
schestowitzthe left does not loathe pelosiJan 02 01:45
schestowitzshe is hardly the main perceived enemyJan 02 01:46
schestowitzshe's a centrist, but the left has other prioritiesJan 02 01:46
schestowitzseems like GOP muddies the waterJan 02 01:46
schestowitzby turning its racist/facist agenda into a debate/controversyJan 02 01:46
DaemonFC[m]"Your PSA birth certificate will be delivered in 3-5 working days after payment for Metro Manila residents and 4-9 working days for other cities and provinces. It will take 6-8 weeks for foreign addresses."Jan 02 01:46
DaemonFC[m]Ugh.Jan 02 01:46
schestowitzas if anyone will believe leftists target pelosi, whose party ousts the fascists this monthJan 02 01:46
schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: letter? or emailJan 02 01:47
schestowitzif letter, then you can show to USCISJan 02 01:47
DaemonFC[m]They aren't delivering with USPS lately.Jan 02 01:47
schestowitzthey can say, "OK, corona, sent it to us when you get it"Jan 02 01:47
DaemonFC[m]We have one certified copy.Jan 02 01:47
schestowitz*sendJan 02 01:48
DaemonFC[m]I made photocopies on legal sized paper in case immigration will accept that after inspecting the original.Jan 02 01:48
schestowitzbetter than people who have no certs or cannot afford to have copies issued at allJan 02 01:48
DaemonFC[m]Nobody on the left is targeting Nancy Pelosi.Jan 02 01:48
schestowitzit makes no senseJan 02 01:48
DaemonFC[m]This was done by some right wing nut.Jan 02 01:48
schestowitzI consider myself the real left (ish)Jan 02 01:48
schestowitz" the violent left.”"Jan 02 01:48
schestowitzWhat is "the violent left"?Jan 02 01:48
schestowitzanarchists?Jan 02 01:49
schestowitzthey're not even leftJan 02 01:49
DaemonFC[m]Well, the far-right has "rallies" where they expect to provoke the "far left" into "starting it".Jan 02 01:49
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schestowitzthey just join some protests and cause chaos at timesJan 02 01:49
DaemonFC[m]Then they never do and they just go home.Jan 02 01:49
schestowitz"the violent left" - whatever that is - isn't taking over federal buildings using semi-automatic riflesJan 02 01:50
schestowitzit is not storming mosques and synagoguesJan 02 01:50
schestowitzand you would struggle to find even ONE instance of death (not punch in face) by  "the violent left.”Jan 02 01:50
DaemonFC[m]Most people on the left have professional jobs.Jan 02 01:50
schestowitzso the GOP is becoming a laughing stock nowJan 02 01:50
DaemonFC[m]In fact, if you don't want Republican co-workers, do something with some skill.Jan 02 01:51
DaemonFC[m]The more skill, the less of them there will be.Jan 02 01:51
schestowitznot many of them hereJan 02 01:51
schestowitzmy boss is a trump supporterJan 02 01:51
schestowitzbut I think he's OK with others not agreeingJan 02 01:51
schestowitzthere are those, tooJan 02 01:52
schestowitzTrump supporters are also accustomed to being ridiculedJan 02 01:52
schestowitzanother copy of this... 02 01:53
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Life without Amazon (well, almost) - Chicago TribuneJan 02 01:53
schestowitzRMS mentioned in thereJan 02 01:53
schestowitzoriginal from nytimesJan 02 01:53
schestowitzMe on someone: > There may be anger management issues...Jan 02 01:55
schestowitzWow, that sure triggered some people...Jan 02 01:55
schestowitznever accuse the angry of being... well, angryJan 02 01:56
schestowitzit will never helpJan 02 01:56
schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: when is the interview?Jan 02 01:58
schestowitzbe sure to project confidence, like you'd appeal a rejectionJan 02 01:58
schestowitzand try to pass on hard questions, don't hand them rope to hang you withJan 02 01:58
schestowitzappeal with decision overturned makes them look bad and can get them demoted. They don't want that.Jan 02 02:00
schestowitzDear Roy,Jan 02 02:11
schestowitzmy apologises for not answering your answer to my mail about anonymously communicating  with the EPO.Jan 02 02:12
schestowitzAs as a special xxxxxxxx present, I bring  you today an insight to well hidden side of the EPO: the xxxxx.Jan 02 02:12
schestowitzI forgot quote/indentationJan 02 02:12
schestowitzBTWJan 02 02:12
schestowitzwe plan to make a document drop facilityJan 02 02:12
schestowitzAriadne: when we have ssl set up, we'll make leaking easierJan 02 02:12
schestowitzwe'll write our own tollJan 02 02:12
schestowitza k.i.s.s. typeJan 02 02:12
schestowitzif email gets rectified on that IP address/domain name/server, we'll have blog comments working again for the first time in years (except by people who had a blog account for ages)Jan 02 02:13
schestowitzI thought verification or lack of it was the main culprit, you've mentioned reverse dns insteadJan 02 02:14
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schestowitz"Jan 02 02:24
schestowitzHi Roy,Jan 02 02:24
schestowitzHappy New Year!Jan 02 02:24
schestowitzThanks for retweeting my predictions for 2021.Jan 02 02:24
schestowitzPlease don't attribute this to meJan 02 02:24
schestowitz"Jan 02 02:24
schestowitzunrelated to the aboveJan 02 02:25
schestowitz"Jan 02 02:25
schestowitzBest regards,Jan 02 02:25
schestowitzxxxxJan 02 02:25
schestowitzCheers!Jan 02 02:25
schestowitz"Jan 02 02:25
DaemonFC[m]<schestowitz "DaemonFC: when is the interview?"> 26thJan 02 02:32
DaemonFC[m]There's really no appeal. All you can do is ask them to reopen the case because they made a mistake about something in the denial letter.Jan 02 02:33
DaemonFC[m]But as soon as they deny it, they give the immigrant so many days to leave.Jan 02 02:33
DaemonFC[m]Some run, but with no legal ability to work, options are limited, and they may get caught someday.Jan 02 02:33
DaemonFC[m]If you try to stay unlawfully and they catch you down the road, they can bar you from re-entering. Maybe forever. They track immigrants with "biometrics".Jan 02 02:35
DaemonFC[m]And they want those updated just about every time you file for a major benefit or something from them.Jan 02 02:35
DaemonFC[m]If you don't go to an application support center for your biometrics appointment, or don't pay the additional biometrics fee, they'll deny the entire case and keep your filing fee.Jan 02 02:36
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: Since we've been married less than 2 years, they'd approve him for conditional residency.Jan 02 02:37
DaemonFC[m]If you don't file to get the conditions removed and the card expires in two years, they demand that you leave the country immediately.Jan 02 02:37
DaemonFC[m]Your options are pretty limited until you get a permanent card.Jan 02 02:37
DaemonFC[m]The permanent cards expire every 10 years, but they won't deport you for it and they still have to let you back in, but there are consequences for not renewing it.Jan 02 02:38
schestowitzokJan 02 02:40
schestowitzI am writing about a leak at the momentJan 02 02:40
schestowitzwould you help me proofread it?Jan 02 02:40
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DaemonFC[m]Yeah.Jan 02 03:14
XRevan86Doctor Who is bumming me down so much. While TV series entertainment in general is getting more sophisticated the last decade, Doctor Who somehow managed to devolve. Cheaper, sillier, cornier.Jan 02 03:15
XRevan86I don't need to check to know that the ratings are plummeting.Jan 02 03:15
schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: thanks! quick, let's catch typos: 02 03:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | New Leak: Today’s EPO Breaks Its Contract With Former Staff of the EPO, Not Just Existing Staff | TechrightsJan 02 03:18
DaemonFC[m]"tragically enough supports the oppressor"Jan 02 03:20
DaemonFC[m]tragically supports the oppressors Jan 02 03:20
DaemonFC[m]Reads betterJan 02 03:20
DaemonFC[m]"Existing EPO workers barely or rarely sense like they can rely"Jan 02 03:21
DaemonFC[m]feel that they can relyJan 02 03:21
DaemonFC[m]"employer is doing down the drain or right into an ashtray."Jan 02 03:21
DaemonFC[m]"employer is circling the drain" and leave it at that probably reads better.Jan 02 03:21
DaemonFC[m]"Some people have worked for the EPO for as long as 4 decades (sometimes slightly more)."Jan 02 03:22
DaemonFC[m]No mistakes, but my dad lost his pension at RCA when Thomson took over.Jan 02 03:22
DaemonFC[m]They let it accumulate for a while and then took the money out of the fund right before laying people off.Jan 02 03:23
schestowitz[03:22] <DaemonFC[m]> No mistakes, but my dad lost his pension at RCA when Thomson took over.Jan 02 03:24
schestowitzyes, never trust speculative thingsJan 02 03:24
schestowitzpromises are cheapJan 02 03:24
schestowitzand nobody enforces themJan 02 03:24
DaemonFC[m]I told my mom that if there's an option with her pension from the Catholic church to take a lump sum and buy an annuity with it, then she might be better off with that.Jan 02 03:25
DaemonFC[m]The difference with the lump sum/annuity is that you definitely got the check for the lump sum and then the annuity works like an insurance policy.Jan 02 03:25
DaemonFC[m]It's an option that the federal government offers workers.Jan 02 03:26
DaemonFC[m]Once it's the problem of Metlife or something, then if Congress screws over your retirement benefits again, it doesn't affect you.Jan 02 03:27
DaemonFC[m]Likewise, the Catholic church raids pension funds and everything it can all the time.Jan 02 03:27
DaemonFC[m]What makes you think it'll be there? Next time they need to pay off some abused young men, there goes your retirement.Jan 02 03:28
schestowitzrefresh pageJan 02 03:28
schestowitzI made your amendementJan 02 03:28
schestowitzalso added some corrections further downJan 02 03:28
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: "They’re entitled, contractually, to what they receive."Jan 02 03:29
DaemonFC[m]Might add, the rich like to say "entitlements" as a slur.Jan 02 03:31
schestowitzwill addJan 02 03:31
DaemonFC[m]Like, "These people think they're entitled to something.".Jan 02 03:31
DaemonFC[m]They do it with Social Security over here.Jan 02 03:32
DaemonFC[m]"We need to shore up 'entitlement programs'."Jan 02 03:32
schestowitzrefresh pageJan 02 03:32
schestowitzI mention you by nameJan 02 03:32
DaemonFC[m]Like, god damn it. They took your paycheck money for 50 years and now you want some of it back.Jan 02 03:32
DaemonFC[m]"entitled"Jan 02 03:32
schestowitzlolJan 02 03:33
schestowitztax "breaks"Jan 02 03:33
schestowitzthey legalise tax crimesJan 02 03:33
schestowitzbut when the crimes were committed there was no break/jubileeJan 02 03:33
schestowitzso they buy politiciansJan 02 03:33
schestowitzto give them "free from jail" cardsJan 02 03:33
schestowitzthen they tell us,Jan 02 03:33
schestowitz"well..."Jan 02 03:33
schestowitz"it's the law"Jan 02 03:34
schestowitznever mind who bought this new law that makes crimes "breaks"Jan 02 03:34
DaemonFC[m]Yeah, the Coronavirus bill created a new tax break for the rich.Jan 02 03:34
DaemonFC[m]Now they can fully deduct outrageous business lunches that they could only deduct at half the expense rate before.Jan 02 03:34
schestowitzthatJan 02 03:34
schestowitzand copyright 'reform'Jan 02 03:34
schestowitzmaking it a crime for the general public to do thingsJan 02 03:35
schestowitzrich people's crimes legalisedJan 02 03:35
schestowitzlawful public activity like memes and streaming... not a serious felonyJan 02 03:35
schestowitzwith arrestJan 02 03:35
schestowitzin a  "MUST-PASS" billJan 02 03:35
DaemonFC[m]Yes, "reform" meaning lowering the bar for the rich to sue poor people over a few MP3s or something for outrageous sums that are thousands of times what they can rationally argue was "lost".Jan 02 03:35
DaemonFC[m]The RIAA was suing people and getting $60 and $80 MILLION dollar verdicts, over like 26 MP3 files or something that were $1 each on an MP3 store.Jan 02 03:36
DaemonFC[m]And all of their victims took the judgment straight to bankruptcy court and the RIAA bled itself dry losing the lawyer fees to sue people with.Jan 02 03:37
DaemonFC[m]This won't be any different. Name anyone who will not file bankruptcy after they get a stack of $30,000 verdicts from some arbitrators who aren't even judges and juries.Jan 02 03:37
schestowitzfear-makingJan 02 03:37
schestowitzI forgot the name of the lady and her "Prince" dancing toddlerJan 02 03:38
DaemonFC[m]How can it even be legal for someone who isn't a judge to do something that harms you that most people can't respond to or appeal into a real court?Jan 02 03:38
DaemonFC[m]It'll be Revenge of the Porn Trolls, you know. They'll love this.Jan 02 03:38
schestowitzwhen I upload somthing to YouTube google sometimes issues copyright warningsJan 02 03:39
schestowitzthey're automatedJan 02 03:39
schestowitzand I suppose they alert "holders" about some sound that matches a patternJan 02 03:39
schestowitzit's good that techrights now self-hosted everything, without copiesJan 02 03:39
DaemonFC[m]I was getting them delivered to me by Comcrap from "RightsCorp".Jan 02 03:39
schestowitzso we can judge DMCA on our ownJan 02 03:39
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DaemonFC[m]Comcrap did at least strip the original complaint and take out the links to the demand for settlements.Jan 02 03:39
DaemonFC[m]What they would do is send you a few "settlement" offers and if you identified yourself and paid them, you'd get the dozens more they had been sitting on as well.Jan 02 03:40
schestowitzhmmJan 02 03:43
schestowitzthey could even make false claimsJan 02 03:43
schestowitzand out of fear of dispute some might pay to settleJan 02 03:43
schestowitzreminds me of UK TV Licensing tacticsJan 02 03:43
schestowitzwe still get threatening letters from themJan 02 03:43
schestowitzI've not had a TV set for 19 or 20 yearsJan 02 03:43
schestowitzThe bulletin and ipfs automation seems to have worked today. No issues. Just had to space out the cron jobs a bit.Jan 02 03:45
psydroidI'm reading this PR from Intel now, which doesn't have anything to do with MicrosoftJan 02 03:45
psydroid 02 03:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Intel and QuTech Unveil Details of First Cryogenic Quantum Computing Control Chip, ‘Horse Ridge’ | Intel NewsroomJan 02 03:45
schestowitzQuantum LOLJan 02 03:45
schestowitzQuantum SecurityJan 02 03:46
schestowitzsmartQuantum Jan 02 03:46
schestowitzQuantum clownsJan 02 03:46
schestowitzQuantum appsJan 02 03:46
schestowitzQuantum EncryptionJan 02 03:46
schestowitzQuantumQuantum(TM)Jan 02 03:46
schestowitzif it's Quantum, it's new and powerfulJan 02 03:46
schestowitzlike ProtonMailJan 02 03:46
schestowitzjust physics somethingJan 02 03:46
schestowitzQuantumAnon :-)Jan 02 03:46
psydroidBut somehow Microsoft still managed to weasel itself into the lab, porting what? Windows for Quantum Computers?Jan 02 03:46
schestowitzwait, we have not leaked anything yetJan 02 03:47
schestowitzI can start todayJan 02 03:47
schestowitzbut am still gathering more material about itJan 02 03:47
schestowitzMicrosoft is more than WindowsJan 02 03:48
psydroidI am just giving you what more or less stumbled upon and may give you some more avenues for informationJan 02 03:48
schestowitzthanksJan 02 03:49
schestowitzdo you want to collaborate on InteLeaks?Jan 02 03:49
psydroidI know and they may actually do some research worth a damnJan 02 03:49
schestowitzI can give you prior glimpse for comment/analysisJan 02 03:49
schestowitzsometimes when they know bad PR is coming or bad publicity they drown out the signal with fluffJan 02 03:50
schestowitzEPO does it all the timeJan 02 03:50
schestowitzthey also misuse particular topics and keywords to obfuscate the signalJan 02 03:50
schestowitzso people cannot find what they actually look forJan 02 03:50
psydroidI'm not sure I have intimate knowledge of the company and its dealings, but I've known about the things you mentioned in the first article for almost 2 decadesJan 02 03:50
schestowitzfor instance, you show IBM's racist rootsJan 02 03:51
schestowitzand then IBM starts a PR campaign about how it's antiracistJan 02 03:51
schestowitzor how it uses "HEY HI" to spy on blacksJan 02 03:51
schestowitzand then they bombard media about how IBM researches "bias" in HEY HIJan 02 03:51
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schestowitz"Some folks out there use dedicated writing programs geared towards authors but I am using Visual Studio Code and the novel package on CTAN as well as the markdown package on CTAN."Jan 02 03:52
schestowitz 02 03:52
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Start of Year: 2021Jan 02 03:52
schestowitzjust nowJan 02 03:52
schestowitzanother one of those MSVS foolsJan 02 03:52
schestowitzwith "code"Jan 02 03:52
schestowitzproprietaryJan 02 03:52
schestowitzand poison pillJan 02 03:52
schestowitzIntel has those fools in itJan 02 03:52
schestowitzthat's part of the issueJan 02 03:52
schestowitzshithub is anotherJan 02 03:52
schestowitzthey have some pro-Microsoft 'moles' in thereJan 02 03:53
psydroidI had a lot of those tools installed at some point, but never did anything with themJan 02 03:53
schestowitzMicrosoft is trying to put its VS 'cultists' inside dev communitiesJan 02 03:53
schestowitzto supposed use of things like EclipseJan 02 03:53
psydroidSo last year I took the whole install and put it in a virtual machineJan 02 03:53
schestowitzGhacks posting Microsoft spam minutes ago 02 03:54
psydroidWhile reinstalling my host from scratchJan 02 03:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | You can still upgrade Windows 7 and 8.1 systems to Windows 10 for free - gHacks Tech NewsJan 02 03:54
schestowitzspam disguised as articleJan 02 03:54
schestowitzmarketingJan 02 03:54
psydroidI'm wondering how Microsoft pays all of these sitesJan 02 03:55
psydroidNo company has an unlimited budget for these thingsJan 02 03:55
schestowitzyes, I was about to say...Jan 02 03:57
schestowitzI also reused my irc rant 02 03:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/ #Ghacks posting #Microsoft spam minutes ago... spam disguised as article. Mindless #marketing ... makes you wonder if or how Microsoft pays to corrupt this otherwise decent site. Jan 02 03:58
schestowitzthey're a marketing and lawyers company more often than notJan 02 03:58
schestowitzbut...Jan 02 03:58
schestowitzwe'll have some useful leaks to show soon/later todayJan 02 03:58
schestowitznot sure which part to logically go with firstJan 02 03:58
schestowitzalso, starting on a weekend after nye isn't idealJan 02 03:58
schestowitzbut I don't want to be backloggedJan 02 03:59
mjg59Someone would need to be paid to write an article telling people they can update an OS that no longer receives security updates to one that does for free?Jan 02 03:59
*schestowitz ignores BSJan 02 04:00
schestowitzpsydroid: seems EPO and FS have overlaps nowJan 02 04:01
schestowitzbecause they read techrightsJan 02 04:01
schestowitz"I got myself a cup of coffee so I can respond in length. If any of this is published, it'll be in redacted form (to sensibly disguise sources etc.) although I doubt much of this belongs in the public domain for transparency anyway (I judge public interest and privacy on a per word/sentence basis). IPFS and WWW have lots in them (originating in Techrights), but sometimes it's intentionally unclear who said what, esp. when it comes to Jan 02 04:01
schestowitzEPO articles. It's the information that's important. We'll publish EPO leaks soon. RMS is widely respected among EPO workers, who still recall speeches he gave at their protests and strikes. Some EPO insiders tell me that they learn about Free software in Techrights and agree on almost everything... though they read the site for the EPO articles (at least originally). Until a year or two ago we focused on patents. Focus shifted becauseJan 02 04:01
schestowitzof the slow-progressing coup, accelerated a great deal after the August 2019 Gates-gate at MIT. Many people lost sight of the original scandals; I know a thing or two about how PR agencies think and methods for shifting public attention (EPO does this a lot)."Jan 02 04:01
schestowitzAbout 15 years ago I think I read about CompTIA attacking him over it. We know who sponsors CompTIA.Jan 02 04:01
schestowitzmjg59 is part of the said agendaJan 02 04:02
schestowitzincidentallyJan 02 04:02
mjg59I am?Jan 02 04:03
schestowitz"Thanks for speaking out in defence of what shockingly enough was being portrayed as the very opposite of what it is. I say "shockingly", but actually I often joke with my wife (for >years< now!) about how whatever I say can be totally twisted. M. Garrett (now at Google; Torvalds hates his guts for the coup attempts) has been 'parking' in our IRC channels for months now, having publicly described the site as pro-rape or something (Jan 02 04:03
schestowitzMicrosoft propagandists "liked" those tweets). I guess distortions should be expected. Anyone who defends the >views< of RMS (never mind RMS himself) is a target. We have seen a certain someone from Salesforce saying so explicitly. And no... it's not about women. It's about the perceptions he's spreading online about monopolies, proprietary software etc. (think #RMSWasRight)"Jan 02 04:03
schestowitzmjg59: you're not spoken about favourablyJan 02 04:03
schestowitzthere's a sentiment that you provoke for coupsJan 02 04:03
schestowitza sentiment shared by me personallyJan 02 04:03
mjg59I had an extremely reasonable conversation with Linus last time I saw him (after he'd taken his break)Jan 02 04:03
schestowitzthe break you lobbied forJan 02 04:04
schestowitzyou wanted to fork his projectJan 02 04:04
schestowitzand made statements against himJan 02 04:04
schestowitz 02 04:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Hypocrite Forks the Linux Kernel Because of Cultural Characteristics That He Himself is Guilty of | TechrightsJan 02 04:04
schestowitzforked on proprietary software LOLJan 02 04:04
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schestowitza year after Microsoft planned to buy GitHub 02 04:05
mjg59Yeah, I stopped working on the upstream kernel because I was bored of the degree of abuse tolerated in the communityJan 02 04:05
schestowitz"For avoidance of doubt, any comments arguing this point will be replaced with the phrase "Fart fart fart"."Jan 02 04:05
schestowitzGrow up :-)Jan 02 04:05
schestowitzGoogle is far more abusiveJan 02 04:05
schestowitzI can share links with youJan 02 04:05
mjg59I'm sure you canJan 02 04:06
schestowitzbut the dollar signs you have for eyes will prevent you from introspectionJan 02 04:06
schestowitzanywayJan 02 04:06
mjg59I'm sure you've also seen me lobbying for Google to change its behaviourJan 02 04:06
schestowitzbye for nowJan 02 04:06
schestowitzwhile taking salary from themJan 02 04:06
schestowitzlike military people "change from inside"Jan 02 04:06
mjg59Well, sureJan 02 04:06
schestowitz"will kill, will work to reduce killing"Jan 02 04:06
mjg59I'm paid to write free softwareJan 02 04:06
schestowitzcya laterJan 02 04:06
mjg59Which has benefits to the wider communityJan 02 04:07
DaemonFC[m]<psydroid "No company has an unlimited budg"> It's cheap.Jan 02 04:08
DaemonFC[m]Where the hell is SJVN going to get another job? As for Ed Bott? He's been this bad for years.Jan 02 04:08
schestowitzrelatively speakingJan 02 04:08
schestowitzSJVN is rogue tooJan 02 04:08
schestowitzI was sent messages about him hours agoJan 02 04:08
schestowitzhe's distorting thingsJan 02 04:08
schestowitzfor IntelJan 02 04:08
schestowitzZDNet corrupted hinmJan 02 04:09
schestowitzthey even deleted parts of his articlesJan 02 04:09
schestowitzwhich he's in denial aboutJan 02 04:09
schestowitznowhere else left to workJan 02 04:09
schestowitzSean Michael Kernel and Christine Hall the sameJan 02 04:09
schestowitzthey go working for shady "Microsoft loves Linux"-like lying ragsJan 02 04:09
schestowitzand they require one to swallow these lies to "play" and get a "cheque"Jan 02 04:10
schestowitzit's sad how media sites are now mostly PR companiesJan 02 04:10
schestowitzdisguises as "news"Jan 02 04:10
schestowitzwith their "media kits"Jan 02 04:10
schestowitzmeaning "bribery contracts"Jan 02 04:10
psydroidschestowitz, none of this ever becomes clear when you visit these companies' offices (I've been to Google's and Facebook's offices several times), they all think they are doing great things and that's the impression you get as a visitor too, at least initiallyJan 02 04:10
schestowitzWhat unified the Free software, myself, and RMS is ideology and philosophy, I suspect beyond technology itself (as technology relates to many other things in life/the world). That includes insistence on integrity ad truth. SJVN lost that.Jan 02 04:11
schestowitzhe's friends with SPAMnil nowJan 02 04:11
schestowitztwo corporate spammersJan 02 04:11
schestowitzfor "Open Source"Jan 02 04:11
schestowitzopenwashing the attacks on Free softwareJan 02 04:11
psydroidit begs the question, is there not enough money in free software?Jan 02 04:11
schestowitz[04:10] <psydroid> schestowitz, none of this ever becomes clear when you visit these companies' offices (I've been to Google's and Facebook's offices several times), they all think they are doing great things and that's the impression you get as a visitor too, at least initiallyJan 02 04:12
psydroidor is it just greed?Jan 02 04:12
schestowitzlike people work who in campsJan 02 04:12
schestowitzICE, immigration, etc.Jan 02 04:12
schestowitzthey just "protect the country"Jan 02 04:12
schestowitzpsydroid: free software is about lack of monopolyJan 02 04:12
schestowitzso inherently the gains to one entity are fewJan 02 04:12
schestowitzthe collective benefit is vastJan 02 04:12
schestowitzlike 100 million apache usersJan 02 04:13
schestowitzbut no company called apacheJan 02 04:13
schestowitzMicrosoft can bribe some people to corrupt ASFJan 02 04:13
schestowitzand then outsource the whole thing to shithub, as it didJan 02 04:13
schestowitzso there's this managerial vulnerabilityuJan 02 04:13
schestowitzand one solution is to decentraliseJan 02 04:13
schestowitz 02 04:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | After Killing the Independence of Apache Software Foundation (ASF) Microsoft Steals Its Soul, Too | TechrightsJan 02 04:14
schestowitzthis way it's harder to corrupt and bribeJan 02 04:14
schestowitzbecause they need consent from several consortia at the same timeJan 02 04:14
schestowitzand that can be a lot harder and more complicated to concealJan 02 04:14
psydroidI'm still waiting for the decentralised code repositories the FSF is working on, where everything gets synced to a large number of repositories all over the internetJan 02 04:17
schestowitzI think they said it'd be ready by end of 2020Jan 02 04:18
schestowitzdidn't meet that goal/deadlineJan 02 04:18
schestowitzand I heard the template code/foundation is gitlabJan 02 04:18
psydroidI'm a bit intrigued by what Matrix developers are doing based on their technology initially used for messaging, but supposed to be usable for a lot more things such as social media and maybe also gitlab-like servicesJan 02 04:22
schestowitz'social' mediaJan 02 04:24
schestowitzthey have workersJan 02 04:24
schestowitzand job doneJan 02 04:24
schestowitzso they look to keep them doing somethingJan 02 04:24
schestowitzkitchen sink mentalityJan 02 04:25
schestowitzand then it becomes bloated garbageJan 02 04:25
schestowitzlike FB, Twitter etc.Jan 02 04:25
DaemonFC[m]Google is sabotaging their site if you're on a VPN now.Jan 02 04:26
DaemonFC[m]Bing doesn't.Jan 02 04:26
DaemonFC[m]With Google, parts of their site just fail to load if you're on a Private Internet Access VPN server.Jan 02 04:26
psydroidGoogle has become pure evilJan 02 04:27
schestowitztheir cross browser compat is awfulJan 02 04:28
schestowitzeven for something like a page with search barJan 02 04:28
schestowitzGoogle SearchJan 02 04:28
schestowitzin some browsers you can barely use just THATJan 02 04:28
schestowitz 02 04:28
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Outreachy as ‘Hush Money’ (Bribe) From Monopolies | TechrightsJan 02 04:28
psydroidthey're sabotaging free apps for Android such as NewPipe too nowJan 02 04:29
psydroidit worked perfectly until about a month agoJan 02 04:29
psydroidand now it doesn't because of some popup it 'serves'Jan 02 04:30
psydroidthat's what you get for interfering with advertisersJan 02 04:31
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DaemonFC[m]ublock-origin stops Youtube ads and Sponsorblock skips over the sponsors.Jan 02 04:32
DaemonFC[m]Both work in Edge and Firefox.Jan 02 04:32
DaemonFC[m]Sponsorblock is crowdsourced so if it doesn't skip over a sponsor, you can help train it to.Jan 02 04:33
schestowitzno, better ways existJan 02 04:33
schestowitzmany instances of invidiousJan 02 04:33
schestowitzand that generally works well as long as you shuffle when one breaks a littleJan 02 04:33
schestowitzno ads, no spyingJan 02 04:33
schestowitz(afaik)Jan 02 04:33
schestowitz 02 04:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Challenge Failed! vDDoS SecurityJan 02 04:34
schestowitz 02 04:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | InvidiousJan 02 04:34
schestowitz 02 04:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | InvidiousJan 02 04:34
schestowitz 02 04:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | InvidiousJan 02 04:34
schestowitzyou can search there alsoJan 02 04:34
schestowitzsometimes the APIs break a littleJan 02 04:35
schestowitzthen you use another instanceJan 02 04:35
DaemonFC[m]Yes, Google apparently tries to block searx instances.Jan 02 04:35
DaemonFC[m]I'm guessing because they scrape the results and skip over the ad platform.Jan 02 04:35
DaemonFC[m]They've done similar things to others in the past.Jan 02 04:35
schestowitz 02 04:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | 2021 NEW YEAR’S EVE COUNTDOWN DRONE LIGHT SHOW in YEONGDONG-DAERO (SEOUL) - InvidiousJan 02 04:36
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: Anyway, back to immigration. I'm sure they make it an agonizing process so that few people even try.Jan 02 04:37
DaemonFC[m]Things have gotten even worse for people who applied after we did.Jan 02 04:38
DaemonFC[m]We're a case that could go either way under the grandfathered rules.Jan 02 04:38
DaemonFC[m]It would be DOA under the new rules.Jan 02 04:38
DaemonFC[m]First of all, there's more forms to fill out and the burden is no longer on them to prove that you're likely to become a public burden.Jan 02 04:38
DaemonFC[m]You have to fill out forms proving that it's more likely than not that they won't and agree to reimburse the government if they take a benefit from an expanded list of them.Jan 02 04:39
schestowitz 02 04:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Sweet grapes, sour grapes, or the grapes of wrath: what is going on with this collecting society? - The IPKatJan 02 04:39
schestowitz"I always enjoy Mr Wilkof’s posts, and this one was no exception. More so, it has roused me from the post-Christmas coma. Having advised a collecting society which is a “new kid on the block” and treats the requirement of transparency under the Directive on Collective Rights Management (and the implementing regulations) seriously, we have often come up against the confidentiality barrier when holding to account other collecting Jan 02 04:39
schestowitzsocieties. This is invariably baffling, for two reasons: one, because of what collecting societies are set up to do (as you point out), and two, because the confidentiality mantra is proclaimed as if it came from the holy scriptures. Self-preservation is alive and well… "Jan 02 04:39
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: I'm not even going to mention the new support affidavit I brought unless they tell me they accepted Maricel's request to revoke hers.Jan 02 04:40
DaemonFC[m]If it's going to go over smoothly and keep her on the hook, then why the hell not.Jan 02 04:40
DaemonFC[m]It's lucky for her that I'm not the kind of person who would abuse that despite the fact that she would have it coming if I did.Jan 02 04:41
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: People like her don't usually "get what's coming to them" as such, as in something sudden and horrible happens.Jan 02 04:42
DaemonFC[m]They usually just plod along on a debt treadmill working their lives away, missing everything that's important, filling the house with crap.Jan 02 04:42
DaemonFC[m]I can't imagine a worse hell, honestly. Jan 02 04:43
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: I might have quoted Luke Skywalker when she told me that I wouldn't know what I'm missing because I "can't buy nice things and live the real life" and that I was just jealous of them, and then Mark chimed in with his paranoid delusions about me wanting their vicious dog to bite me.Jan 02 04:44
DaemonFC[m]I said, "That's amazing. Every word you just said was wrong.".Jan 02 04:44
DaemonFC[m]What really set her off was learning that I had to file bankruptcy. I found out later that Mark's parents filed bankruptcy, and it was not because of some random unforeseen life disaster. It was fucking Sams Club credit cards and shit.Jan 02 04:48
DaemonFC[m]I'm patient. I can wait.Jan 02 04:49
DaemonFC[m]When this mess blows over, I'll send her a 5 or 6 page typed letter that insults from start to finish.Jan 02 04:49
DaemonFC[m]She thought she was offended before. Jan 02 04:49
schestowitz[04:42] <DaemonFC[m]> They usually just plod along on a debt treadmill working their lives away, missing everything that's important, filling the house with crap.Jan 02 04:51
schestowitzlook up Carlin on "stuff"Jan 02 04:51
schestowitzhe nailed itJan 02 04:51
DaemonFC[m]I'm used to messes that take years to untangle, so the virus is really nothing new to me. It's just this week's disaster. Jan 02 04:51
DaemonFC[m]It's background noise.Jan 02 04:51
schestowitzit's a collective tollJan 02 04:52
schestowitzif your economy tanks, expect Trumpster to cause you issuesJan 02 04:52
schestowitzyou don't live in isolation or some islandJan 02 04:52
DaemonFC[m]Trump extended his immigration executive orders.Jan 02 04:52
DaemonFC[m]I was laughing about it while I was on the phone with mom.Jan 02 04:52
DaemonFC[m]I said, "Yeah, extended for 19 days. What a loser.".Jan 02 04:52
schestowitzlolJan 02 04:53
DaemonFC[m]I was talking to her about all the charges he faces from New York.Jan 02 04:53
schestowitzBye-DONJan 02 04:53
schestowitzHello, prisonJan 02 04:53
DaemonFC[m]His supporters are going to blow their stack when Fox News has to report that Trump was convicted in a Manhattan courtroom and faces prison time.Jan 02 04:53
DaemonFC[m]I was talking to mom. I said, "The absolute disgrace. Not that there were shortages during his term, but now he's the closest a president ever got to going to prison and might actually end up there.".Jan 02 04:54
DaemonFC[m]I said, "The only good thing about this over the Philippines is that they certainly won't file charges against Duterte or even try to impeach him, and he'll just somehow keep getting 90% of the vote until he dies, and then they'll have some other asshole just like him. We at least voted our way past it.".Jan 02 04:55
DaemonFC[m]She's coming around to the fact that Trump wasn't so great.Jan 02 04:56
DaemonFC[m]She's like "Well, I certainly didn't like a lot of things he did." I said, "4 years of disaster and racism and riots, a ruined economy, a plague..... Which parts did you like?".Jan 02 04:56
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: If it keeps going like this for a few more months we'll have _officially_ lost the population of Wyoming.Jan 02 04:58
DaemonFC[m]I mean, how is this not a plague?Jan 02 04:58
DaemonFC[m]If something just flat out killed the population of an entire state one day, everyone would be too paralyzed with fear to even move.Jan 02 04:59
DaemonFC[m]Everyone knows someone in the hospital with it. Many people know someone who died.Jan 02 04:59
DaemonFC[m]I have a second cousin who is about to be put on a ventilator in Fort Wayne.Jan 02 05:00
DaemonFC[m]He's getting worse and worse. Jan 02 05:00
DaemonFC[m]The only reason my cousins who work in a nursing home that's overrun by it haven't had it is because they have N95 masks, face shields, the whole shebang.Jan 02 05:01
DaemonFC[m]But 90% of the residents. The few that have not tested positive, yet, include my grandmother.Jan 02 05:01
DaemonFC[m]The lady down at the health department emailed me asking if Mandy and I would like to sign up for the vaccine registry.Jan 02 05:02
DaemonFC[m]I told her we did as soon as I learned that there was one.Jan 02 05:02
DaemonFC[m]With everything that is going on around me, I'm getting to be more concerned about the virus creeping closer and closer.Jan 02 05:02
schestowitzpsydroid: 02 05:05
schestowitzGIMPing :-)Jan 02 05:05
schestowitzdo you want to preview our post for comment to add?Jan 02 05:05
DaemonFC[m]SureJan 02 05:06
DaemonFC[m]Oh, not me. Sorry.Jan 02 05:07
DaemonFC[m]Glasses off.Jan 02 05:07
schestowitzyou can tooJan 02 05:07
schestowitziirc, psydroid knows Intel from the insideJan 02 05:07
schestowitzwait, let me draft it furtherJan 02 05:07
DaemonFC[m]Which reminds me...this would be an excellent time for an eye exam. Haven't had one in a couple of years. Of course, I went like 30 years the first time. Except for trips to the DMV. That's America for you.Jan 02 05:08
DaemonFC[m]Vision insurance? Just tell me when it's illegal to drive and I'll buy a pair then.Jan 02 05:08
schestowitza few minutes moreJan 02 05:08
DaemonFC[m]I get 20% off at the vision center at Walmart. I noticed those Zenni frames that oiaohm was wild about are totally chintzy.Jan 02 05:09
DaemonFC[m]Maricel was bragging about spending $1,000 x 2 pairs for all four of them.Jan 02 05:10
DaemonFC[m]So $8,000 on eye glasses down at Pearle Vision.Jan 02 05:10
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: I think being poor has that effect on people sometimes when they get money.Jan 02 05:11
DaemonFC[m]Now they're trash with money. Jan 02 05:11
schestowitz 02 05:12
schestowitzquick, DaemonFC[m]Jan 02 05:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | InteLeaks – Part I: In the Insides of Intel… | TechrightsJan 02 05:12
schestowitzif you can suggest personal remarks, too, I can still addJan 02 05:12
DaemonFC[m]By introducing Windows dependencies at all,” the associate continues, “they ensure that the lion’s share of the time is spent dorking around unproductively with Windows and causes the team to eventually fail at their primary missions. In those cases, Windows does not have to work, it only has to be present.”Jan 02 05:15
DaemonFC[m]---Jan 02 05:15
DaemonFC[m]Well, the LTSC version of Windows 10 has a lot of the ads and stuff disabled and lets you almost completely turn off telemetry, and ignore feature updates until there's a new LTSC. So they're obviously aware that even organizations have their limits as to what is tolerable.Jan 02 05:16
schestowitzaddedJan 02 05:17
DaemonFC[m]The "Professional" version of Windows 10 has all of the annoyances and spyware of the Home Edition, with a few select "Enterprise" features enabled.Jan 02 05:17
schestowitzanything else?Jan 02 05:17
DaemonFC[m]But it certainly wouldn't be fun or manageable to deploy across an entire company's workstations. Jan 02 05:17
DaemonFC[m]It took me hours to get it to stop being such a pain to where it just ran my programs without bothering me to buy Office, use Skype, put my files on their "cloud" where I didn't want them, and get rid of the freemium apps and UI crap that you have to trip over in the file manager just to get to your...files. Jan 02 05:18
DaemonFC[m]It's hardly surprising they want to steer people to Windows. The same thing is going on with their campaign on ZDNet to appear to undermine the end of their own free upgrade program.Jan 02 05:19
schestowitzadded.Jan 02 05:20
DaemonFC[m]They know that if people are still on Windows 7 or 8, they'll never pay up for a license. Windows 10 is an ad platform and more of a pest that enables "revenue beyond the license sales" and there's gold in those hills if the 200 million or so PCs that nobody ever put it on get the "free" update and start subscribing to things and getting ads.Jan 02 05:20
schestowitzsaved, refresh.Jan 02 05:20
schestowitzhmmm... tuxmachines under ddos for almost 20 mins nowJan 02 05:22
DaemonFC[m]Fedora 33 runs surprisingly well.Jan 02 05:23
DaemonFC[m]I took the defaults and put it on that laptop I gave to Mandy.Jan 02 05:23
DaemonFC[m]It "feels" almost like a Windows computer you could go buy today despite the hardware being 5 years old.Jan 02 05:23
schestowitzcoolJan 02 05:24
schestowitzI saw some Fedora articles yesterday, more than the usualJan 02 05:24
schestowitzIBM managed to get Lenovo to put Fedora on thinkpadsJan 02 05:24
schestowitzI saw about 6 refurbished thinkpads 2 weeks agoJan 02 05:24
schestowitz199 pounds for eachJan 02 05:24
schestowitztempting, but I already have more hardware than I needJan 02 05:24
schestowitzif I had to gift a good PC, I might buy those, put gnu/linux on them, then give awayJan 02 05:25
schestowitzdebian buster likelyJan 02 05:25
DaemonFC[m]Fedora has gotten better in some ways.Jan 02 05:25
schestowitzwe already have the CD for it and on SD card the blobs for wifiJan 02 05:25
DaemonFC[m]The upgrade program used to be a complete disaster.Jan 02 05:25
schestowitznot anaconda?Jan 02 05:26
schestowitzI never used the fedora updaterJan 02 05:26
DaemonFC[m]But I had updated that laptop from 26 to 31 (iirc).Jan 02 05:26
schestowitzeven when I used fedoraJan 02 05:26
schestowitzthey have some command line primitive toolJan 02 05:26
schestowitzeven ubuntu has some front ends for itJan 02 05:26
DaemonFC[m]No, the yum system upgrade program was bad when you were dist-upgrading to a new version.Jan 02 05:26
DaemonFC[m]It could just as easily break things and make an unbootable mess as work.Jan 02 05:27
schestowitzbut it can crash if the updater in the CLI brings up dialoguesJan 02 05:27
schestowitzjust pick an LTS, then stick with itJan 02 05:27
DaemonFC[m]Yeah, I almost never use the graphical package manager.Jan 02 05:27
schestowitzupgrade with /home inplace when a new LTS is out and the current one is almost EoLJan 02 05:27
DaemonFC[m]It's usually slower and there's more packages than there's descriptions for in Discover or GNOME Software.Jan 02 05:28
schestowitzI always use CLI, but for users who are new it is dauntingJan 02 05:28
schestowitzCLI is fasterJan 02 05:28
schestowitzand you can copy-paste to yourself or others the report on what's happeningJan 02 05:28
schestowitzGUIs are bad at thatrJan 02 05:28
schestowitzwe never had anything GUI for techrights or tuxmachinesJan 02 05:28
schestowitzseems like the attacker just got bored BTWJan 02 05:29
DaemonFC[m]Microsoft used to get away with a lot more because they sucked all the air out of the room as far as operating systems.Jan 02 05:29
DaemonFC[m]And it was Windows or the even more depressing Mac.Jan 02 05:29
schestowitzI saw about 10k requests per minute at the peakJan 02 05:29
schestowitznice to see how 32 CPU cores can cope with that tooJan 02 05:29
schestowitzno real downtime, just delaysJan 02 05:29
DaemonFC[m]I did not like the user interface change when OS X came out.Jan 02 05:29
DaemonFC[m]Still don't. Jan 02 05:30
schestowitzoh, another burst of attack nowJan 02 05:30
schestowitzload average 39 on 32 coresJan 02 05:30
schestowitz3,500  reqs/minJan 02 05:30
DaemonFC[m]The older one was compact, it was task oriented, it was more logical for an actual workflow.Jan 02 05:30
DaemonFC[m]The OS under it might have been rotting.Jan 02 05:30
DaemonFC[m]But the UI was decent.Jan 02 05:30
schestowitzover the past 24 hours techrights averaged 5.3 MB/secJan 02 05:30
DaemonFC[m]The new one has all of this comically huge eyecandy that gets in the way of things.Jan 02 05:31
schestowitzmac os ?Jan 02 05:31
schestowitzI used that ages ago at work, as a hobby, part timeJan 02 05:31
schestowitzit was mac os 9Jan 02 05:31
schestowitzalmost 20 years agoJan 02 05:31
DaemonFC[m]Yeah, like, is there really a reason for a dock that big that doesn't even autohide when you have an application running?Jan 02 05:31
schestowitzthe other day I saw a photo I had taken of that machine (not mine)Jan 02 05:31
schestowitzI used mandrake otherwiseJan 02 05:31
schestowitzapple is a  brandJan 02 05:32
schestowitzand they focus on graphicsJan 02 05:32
schestowitzpolishing icons and expensive displaysJan 02 05:32
schestowitzthat does nothing for actual productivityJan 02 05:32
schestowitzit's glossJan 02 05:32
schestowitzyou can copy the glosss over to gnuJan 02 05:32
schestowitzfaenza for exampleJan 02 05:32
schestowitzand its many derivativesJan 02 05:32
schestowitzI put faenza in KDE for rianneJan 02 05:32
schestowitzand some kind of faenza on mine too, but I change every now and thenJan 02 05:33
DaemonFC[m]Yeah. BeOS was the first OS I saw that got graphics and fonts right.Jan 02 05:33
DaemonFC[m]It took Windows 6 years to catch up to that, and Linux even longer honestly. Jan 02 05:33
DaemonFC[m]Because of patents sometimes.Jan 02 05:33
schestowitzturns out faenza is also a placeJan 02 05:33
schestowitzit does sound italianJan 02 05:33
schestowitz 02 05:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-faenza linux - Google SearchJan 02 05:33
schestowitzfor those now familiar with itJan 02 05:33
DaemonFC[m]I liked the GNOME 2 Nimbus theme and icons from Solaris.Jan 02 05:33
DaemonFC[m]I took the theme and cloned the look for my Ubuntu and Fedora systems at the time.Jan 02 05:34
schestowitzwow, almost 500gb in techrights in past 24 hoursJan 02 05:34
schestowitzI think it's near all-time highJan 02 05:34
schestowitzmostly because of videosJan 02 05:34
DaemonFC[m]Comcast gives me a data cap.Jan 02 05:35
schestowitznow attack on tuxmachines at over 10,000 reqs/sec, machine is not minding it muchJan 02 05:35
schestowitzload average under 8, over 32 cpu coresJan 02 05:35
DaemonFC[m]They offer "unlimited data" now as part of some "service" with their $15 a month modems.Jan 02 05:36
schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: mine is throttled upstreamJan 02 05:36
schestowitzdue to ipfs I assumeJan 02 05:36
schestowitzit's like p2p running from home, for techrightsJan 02 05:36
schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: unlimited at WHAT SPEED?Jan 02 05:36
schestowitzI can give you 28k baud UNLIMITEDJan 02 05:36
schestowitzyou can use it at full capacity 24/7 all month/yearJan 02 05:37
schestowitzand how much b/w would that be?Jan 02 05:37
schestowitzmy upload speeds are now capped at around 30kb/sec, usually lessJan 02 05:37
schestowitzand sometimes it cuts off for seconds, then 10kb/sec or something like thatJan 02 05:37
schestowitzipfs does upstream about 2gb/dayJan 02 05:37
schestowitzthey traffic-shape for sureJan 02 05:38
schestowitzhmm... aplus is still around 02 05:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/ Web Hosting & Domain Name Registration ServicesJan 02 05:39
schestowitztwo decades ago we used them for hosting with bsdJan 02 05:39
schestowitzthey rebranded as "CLOWN" I see...Jan 02 05:40
schestowitzeverything is clown nowJan 02 05:40
schestowitzif not clown computing, then "old"Jan 02 05:40
schestowitzestrictions were increased across the UK this week in an effort to tackle the rising number of cases.Jan 02 05:44
schestowitzIn England, three quarters of the population are now under new, higher "tier four" measures. Other areas were moved up to tier three.Jan 02 05:44
schestowitzquote from\Jan 02 05:44
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-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Covid-19 in the UK: How many coronavirus cases are there in your area? - BBC NewsJan 02 05:44
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-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Covid in Scotland: What are the latest lockdown rules? - BBC NewsJan 02 05:45
DaemonFC[m]<schestowitz "DaemonFC: unlimited at WHAT SPEE"> I just bought their cheapest plan.Jan 02 05:49
DaemonFC[m]25 Mbps they say.Jan 02 05:49
schestowitzmaxJan 02 05:49
schestowitzwhat's the averageJan 02 05:49
DaemonFC[m]Oh, I usually see downloads going at about 3 MB per second on bittorrent or something.Jan 02 05:50
DaemonFC[m]But that's on the VPN.Jan 02 05:50
DaemonFC[m]I never turn it off.Jan 02 05:50
schestowitz 02 05:50
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Comcast's Pandemic Price Hike Bonanza Continues | TechdirtJan 02 05:50
DaemonFC[m]Considering how bad US copyright law is NOW you'd have to be insane not to use a VPN.Jan 02 05:50
schestowitzthat's 10 times slower than advertisedJan 02 05:50
DaemonFC[m]It's cheap insurance.Jan 02 05:50
schestowitzdo they say "25 bar VPN"? ("25 Mbps they say.")Jan 02 05:51
schestowitzVPN is a matter of security to someJan 02 05:51
DaemonFC[m]Well, it's Megabits per second not MegaBytes per second.Jan 02 05:51
schestowitznot a luxuryJan 02 05:51
DaemonFC[m]That's at ISP level.Jan 02 05:51
schestowitzwhile the ISP mines and sells your dataJan 02 05:51
DaemonFC[m]So 3 MB per second is about what I pay for I think.Jan 02 05:51
schestowitzpart of their business model, their real customers are sometimes data brokersJan 02 05:51
DaemonFC[m]25 megabits / second = 3.125 megabytes / secondJan 02 05:51
schestowitzyeah, I saw a big BJan 02 05:52
schestowitzturns out they use the misleading numberJan 02 05:52
schestowitzto make it seem fasterJan 02 05:52
DaemonFC[m]It's too slow to handle a 4K stream or even two 1080p ones really.Jan 02 05:52
schestowitzComcast: now at 1,500,000,000 bits per minute!Jan 02 05:53
DaemonFC[m]If I'm watching Archer or something and Mandy starts watching Youtube, the stream gets screwed up.Jan 02 05:53
schestowitzmove to south korea :-)Jan 02 05:53
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: I might print off Mandy's credit score just to show it to the immigration officer.Jan 02 05:54
DaemonFC[m]It's 738 and shows he has no debt to speak of.Jan 02 05:54
DaemonFC[m]But they've been checking it every few months I noticed.Jan 02 05:54
schestowitz 02 05:55
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 403 @ )Jan 02 05:55
schestowitz"Attempts to create a single EU-wide unitary patent and Unified Patent Court ("UPC"), which would determine patent disputes on an EU-wide basis, are on-going. However, the UK Government confirmed that it will not become a member of the UPC."Jan 02 05:55
schestowitzTHIS IS BSJan 02 05:55
schestowitzzoobab: ^^Jan 02 05:55
schestowitzcredit score can be like social control media, DaemonFC[m]Jan 02 05:56
schestowitzor "klout" scoreJan 02 05:56
schestowitznobody cares about itJan 02 05:56
schestowitzlike # of "facebook friends"Jan 02 05:56
schestowitzbut people wrongly associate that with a "life score" like in MMORG gamesJan 02 05:56
schestowitzand at the end of the day it matter as much as now much you scored on math in first grade (school)Jan 02 05:57
schestowitzdoes not in practice have much effect, better discardedJan 02 05:57
schestowitzunless you want to get a loanJan 02 05:57
schestowitz(which is usually a bad idea)Jan 02 05:57
schestowitzimmigration isn't a bankJan 02 05:57
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: They weight credit scores now on immigrants.Jan 02 05:58
schestowitzimmigration officer: sure, sure... he shoplifted and all.. BUT LOOK HOW MANY FB FRIENDS HE HAs!!!Jan 02 05:58
DaemonFC[m]With the form that we didn't have to fill out.Jan 02 05:58
DaemonFC[m]We beat the clock on the new public charge rule.Jan 02 05:58
DaemonFC[m]So we don't have to prove he has a credit score, even.Jan 02 05:58
Techrights-secgmJan 02 05:59
Techrights-secIs Pogson ok?  His blog has not been updated in almost 2 months.Jan 02 05:59
Techrights-secAnd it was summer since he last covered FOSS.Jan 02 05:59
Techrights-secThe BGR article implies that viewing source code causes insecurity (of the softwarte)Jan 02 05:59
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: I just think it would be nice for the officer to have it in mind that we're not in debt and our credit ratings aren't bad.Jan 02 05:59
DaemonFC[m]Mine has improved a lot since the bankruptcy.Jan 02 05:59
schestowitzfunny you mention Robert Pogson as only days ago I asked rianne if his feed produces anything at her endJan 02 05:59
DaemonFC[m]My FICO 8 went from 540 when the bankruptcy discharged to 608 now.Jan 02 06:00
schestowitzsounds like SATs scaleJan 02 06:00
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: I don't know if it would be better to just leave it alone.Jan 02 06:00
DaemonFC[m]On one hand, Mandy's score is great, on the other, mine says "Chapter 7 bankruptcy discharged".Jan 02 06:01
DaemonFC[m]So it might tip them off that something catastrophic happened to me not too long ago.Jan 02 06:01
DaemonFC[m]So, more harm than good?Jan 02 06:01
schestowitzthat's for lendingJan 02 06:01
schestowitzimmigration focuses on other thingsJan 02 06:01
DaemonFC[m]Nope.Jan 02 06:01
schestowitzmaybe in the US they're already bankstersJan 02 06:01
schestowitzthey need to see incomeJan 02 06:02
schestowitzand bank statementsJan 02 06:02
DaemonFC[m] 02 06:02
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Immigrants will be required to show credit scores, or fulfill other financial criteria, if they want to become U.S. citizens - MarketWatchJan 02 06:02
schestowitzcredit scores are hypotheticalJan 02 06:02
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: I have to show bank statements to prove we're comingling assets.Jan 02 06:02
schestowitz"fulfill other financial criteria"Jan 02 06:02
schestowitzlike bank statmentsJan 02 06:02
schestowitzincome, balance...Jan 02 06:02
schestowitzbalance-sheet, deficit if anyJan 02 06:03
DaemonFC[m]If I have to print them off anyway, I might as well fill out the asset schedule on the I-864A and have them count the balance as income at the 1/3rd rate.Jan 02 06:03
schestowitzcredit scores are like pseudo-sciernceJan 02 06:03
DaemonFC[m]If you can show you have $15,000 and you're a US citizen sponsoring your spouse, then that's as good as $5,000 income for the year.Jan 02 06:03
schestowitzlook no further than yourselfJan 02 06:03
schestowitzracked 100,000 dollars in debtJan 02 06:03
schestowitzdidn't pay any of it backJan 02 06:03
DaemonFC[m]It would make it harder, in theory, for them to disregard income to bring us below the minimum.Jan 02 06:03
schestowitzand you say your score improved a lotJan 02 06:03
schestowitzand you don't even workJan 02 06:04
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: And a year earlier my FICO was 826.Jan 02 06:04
schestowitzthe breadwinner in the house has no certainty about stayingJan 02 06:04
DaemonFC[m]Predicting that it was almost no risk to lend to me.Jan 02 06:04
schestowitzso your credit score is baloney basicallyJan 02 06:04
schestowitzI saw other stortiesJan 02 06:04
DaemonFC[m]Pretty much.Jan 02 06:04
schestowitzpeople scoring poorly for never being in debtJan 02 06:04
schestowitzbecause the banksters don't like such peopleJan 02 06:05
schestowitzeven Drumpf is deep in debtJan 02 06:05
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: The credit card people gave me limits totaling about $45,000 iirc.Jan 02 06:05
DaemonFC[m]Well, a bit less.Jan 02 06:05
DaemonFC[m]They were all over limit from fees and interest by the time I went bankrupt.Jan 02 06:05
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: I have to mind my Ps and Qs for a while Jan 02 06:06
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DaemonFC[m]No more bankruptcy for another 7.5 years.Jan 02 06:06
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DaemonFC[m]Already pushed the button in May, which started the 8 year ban on another one.Jan 02 06:06
DaemonFC[m]Now would be a seriously bad time to start running up debt again.Jan 02 06:07
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: I did the bankruptcy as soon as my lawyer said it would be a good idea.Jan 02 06:07
DaemonFC[m]They said let the cards charge off first.Jan 02 06:07
schestowitzlolJan 02 06:08
schestowitzthe wordsJan 02 06:08
schestowitz"charge off"Jan 02 06:08
DaemonFC[m]Amusingly enough, Capital One had to sell off one of my major accounts and take it off my credit report, and the buyer never added it back before I bankrupted myself.Jan 02 06:08
DaemonFC[m]So, it doesn't show that that account ever went to bankruptcy.Jan 02 06:08
DaemonFC[m]Then Kia Motors Finance never replied to my post-bankruptcy dispute about a late payment they were not legally allowed to report, so that account fell off immediately.Jan 02 06:08
schestowitzbanks just work to ensure they carry on lendingJan 02 06:09
schestowitzlater they'll mass-forecloseJan 02 06:09
DaemonFC[m]So it looks like my bankruptcy was only about $20,000 in credit cards.Jan 02 06:09
DaemonFC[m]When in fact it was several times worse.Jan 02 06:09
schestowitzand cry out for bailouts paid by those whom they robJan 02 06:09
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: Yeah, you pay taxes. Why would you feel guilty about bankruptcy?Jan 02 06:09
DaemonFC[m]You're just taking back the money Congress stole from you to give to them.Jan 02 06:09
schestowitzother pay thatJan 02 06:09
schestowitzcollective costJan 02 06:10
schestowitz30 trillion in debtJan 02 06:10
schestowitzit'll need to be paid backJan 02 06:10
schestowitzor you could reset the wealth of bezos, gates etc.Jan 02 06:10
schestowitzand then use that to write off the liabilitiesJan 02 06:10
schestowitzthey park their money elsewhereJan 02 06:10
schestowitzthey know it can happen, gates has several plane and can abscond at any timeJan 02 06:10
schestowitz*planesJan 02 06:10
DaemonFC[m]They don't want to pay people anything, so they go in debt.Jan 02 06:11
DaemonFC[m]Then they can't pay the debt so they bankrupt the debt, and then they do it again and again.Jan 02 06:11
DaemonFC[m]Doesn't make much sense to me.Jan 02 06:12
DaemonFC[m]Instead of being more gainfully employed, the banks lose money over and over on them.Jan 02 06:12
DaemonFC[m]But not enough to cause the bank to be unprofitable I suppose.Jan 02 06:12
DaemonFC[m]In normal times 2-3% of accounts are in serious default.Jan 02 06:13
DaemonFC[m]They don't lose everything on those, because they sell them as secondhand debt.Jan 02 06:13
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: I can tell you which major banks are the nastiest.Jan 02 06:13
DaemonFC[m]Citi sold it to a debt collector and they were already threatening to sue in January, while that didn't happen on the rest until April.Jan 02 06:14
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: I was talking to mom on the phone today advising her which creditors to screw and which ones to pay to prevent her FICO from getting worse.Jan 02 06:15
DaemonFC[m]I said, "No, don't pay those medical bills from the ER doctor that were two years old. It'll just make them current again and you'll be out the money.".Jan 02 06:16
DaemonFC[m]"Just use that FSA money to pay any medical bills you already have that aren't in collections yet so you don't get new collection accounts.Jan 02 06:16
Techrights-secM$ is also trying to play itself off as "critical infrastructure" inJan 02 06:18
Techrights-seclight of the SolarWinds cracking.Jan 02 06:18
Techrights-secThat Adobe Flash had ever been deploye in the first place is a real puzzle.Jan 02 06:18
Techrights-secRemoving the feed from the automated links.Jan 02 06:18
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schestowitztop right pane in tmux shows backups from tm on techrights are 0 in size for two nights nowJan 02 06:24
Techrights-secI'll have to make a new terminal profile so that it defaults to 153x48Jan 02 06:26
Techrights-secOk will look at the scripts.Jan 02 06:26
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DaemonFC[m]Microsoft as critical web infrastructure is long since over. They don't even run most of their own products using their own software.Jan 02 07:50
DaemonFC[m]Windows outside of a consumer or client OS environment is horrendously obsolete.Jan 02 07:51
DaemonFC[m]It still has locking and scheduling inefficiencies that maybe don't matter with <16 CPU cores.Jan 02 07:51
DaemonFC[m]But that's being surpassed now on some high end desktop CPUs even.Jan 02 07:52
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vZS1HnyJan 02 09:28
schestowitz0/Jan 02 09:28
schestowitzyou have just been mentionedJan 02 09:28
vZS1Oh?Jan 02 09:28
schestowitzI passed around the ipfs manualJan 02 09:28
vZS1Cool stuffJan 02 09:29
schestowitzin ytalkJan 02 09:29
schestowitzmore people wish to know and use ipfsJan 02 09:29
schestowitzwhich is what we wantJan 02 09:29
vZS1Hope they enjoy the experienceJan 02 09:29
schestowitzno ipfs JS equivalent yetJan 02 09:29
schestowitzor other bloatJan 02 09:29
schestowitzmaybe mozilla will add support... j/kJan 02 09:30
schestowitztoo busy making hypeOS "apps" in Visua Studio and shitHubJan 02 09:30
vZS1LolJan 02 09:30
schestowitzsome of the people they sacked are rhe technical peopleJan 02 09:30
schestowitzthose who did side projectsJan 02 09:31
schestowitzprior to that firefoxOSJan 02 09:31
schestowitzthat leaves them with "UX" typesJan 02 09:31
schestowitzand "Data scientists"Jan 02 09:31
schestowitzthey kept thoseJan 02 09:31
schestowitzso you know what business model they focus onJan 02 09:31
schestowitz 02 09:32
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Ariadnei'm planning to move all of my stuff away from githubJan 02 09:32
Ariadnei am just lazyJan 02 09:32
Ariadneand gitlab is a lot of workJan 02 09:32
schestowitzyeah, common situatiinJan 02 09:32
schestowitzshithub 'works'Jan 02 09:32
Ariadneand i need the CIJan 02 09:32
schestowitzbut in the long run it's not worth putting any more labour into itJan 02 09:32
Ariadnewell i am getting ready to launch a new initiative so it makes sense for me to just do it right from startJan 02 09:33
schestowitzthere are gitlab hostsJan 02 09:33
schestowitzif shtf you can export and relocateJan 02 09:33
schestowitzthere are many gitea hostsJan 02 09:33
vZS1I connected to IRC via my desktop, yesterday. My phone's IRC client is a bit buggy after the new client "updates".Jan 02 09:33
Ariadnetrue but i have my own DCJan 02 09:33
schestowitzfsf will be a hostJan 02 09:33
vZS1I still read the logs, dailyJan 02 09:34
schestowitzbuilding something based on gitlabJan 02 09:34
Ariadneso it just makes sense to bite the bullet and self hostJan 02 09:34
Ariadnei wouldn't host with fsf anywayJan 02 09:34
schestowitzthe tr server has git on itJan 02 09:34
Ariadnefsf is radioactive :)Jan 02 09:34
vZS1Why build on that bugridden crapJan 02 09:34
schestowitzbut we don't have big chucks of code, usually scripts at most 200 LOCsJan 02 09:34
vZS1(GitLab)Jan 02 09:34
schestowitzAriadne: it isJan 02 09:34
AriadnevZS1: mostly because my contributors want to retain the workflow used in githubJan 02 09:35
Ariadneand gitlab is the easiest way to retain that workflowJan 02 09:35
schestowitzsome people inside FSF try to incite RMS against usJan 02 09:35
schestowitzbut it failedJan 02 09:35
Ariadnegitea is nice, but lacks CI integrationJan 02 09:35
schestowitzbecause RMS realised he had been lied to, misattributions mostlyJan 02 09:35
Ariadnei've tried to migrate to sourcehut already, but it was a disasterJan 02 09:35
schestowitzsh.rtJan 02 09:36
Ariadnepeople complained that the workflow was a pain in the ass vs githubJan 02 09:36
schestowitzsomething like thatJan 02 09:36
schestowitzare they any good? sure I didn't spell it rightJan 02 09:36
Ariadnepersonally i like sourcehut, but the workflow is emailed patches or link a patch in ircJan 02 09:36
Ariadneand that's not something people want to doJan 02 09:36
Ariadneso i will just deploy gitlab insteadJan 02 09:37
Ariadnefor example, you can do basic CI on commits with giteaJan 02 09:37
Ariadnebut there's no pass/fail on merge requestsJan 02 09:37
Ariadnegitlab has the best CI integration in that regardJan 02 09:38
vZS1schestowitz: our CI runs on a budget SBC so we do a lot better than Shit (Hub/Lab). (:Jan 02 09:38
schestowitzit's easy to back up and replicateJan 02 09:38
Ariadneyou can approve an MR and have it auto merge once CI pasesJan 02 09:38
schestowitzno "hosted"Jan 02 09:38
vZS1And we have unlimited "minutes"Jan 02 09:38
vZS1And we own the hardwareJan 02 09:38
AriadnevZS1: so do i if i run my own gitlab install and CI runnerJan 02 09:39
schestowitzAriadne: since you brought up FSF, some funky things happened latelyJan 02 09:39
schestowitzI'll paste several linesJan 02 09:39
schestowitz"Jan 02 09:39
schestowitzIt's correct to assert that defence of RMS and his mindset can be spun as hostility; it's too easy, isn't it? Over the years I read a lot about (sometimes leaked internal documents) the tactics of fracturing and dividing people who otherwise collaborate and coordinate. We know that three-letter agencies in the US do this (Wikileaks is one example) and we saw documents from Microsoft suggesting similar tactics.Jan 02 09:39
schestowitzEarlier this year I was sent about 20,000 E-mails from FSF servers, causing me to interact with FSF staff including John. I don't know who weaponised FSF servers against me (not just one but two of my accounts, including a private email account I do not advertise). Please tell John that I strongly disagree with some of the things published in Techrights about him (and some other people), however I'm compelled not to hide how some Jan 02 09:39
schestowitz>other< people feel. Burying sentiments is not the way to go.Jan 02 09:39
schestowitzThe above two paragraphs, put together, can lead to "conspiracy theories" about someone trying to drive a wedge between myself and people whom I generally support.Jan 02 09:39
schestowitz"Jan 02 09:39
Ariadnei mean, RMS has some kooky ideas its trueJan 02 09:40
schestowitzhe does at timesJan 02 09:40
schestowitzeveryone doesJan 02 09:40
schestowitzmany people don't agree with MOST people's lifestyleJan 02 09:40
Ariadnehowever, having thought about it a lot, i think the attacks on him were largely in bad faithJan 02 09:40
schestowitzMuslims, gay, trans etc.Jan 02 09:40
schestowitzin RMS and his speeches it's often things like empathyJan 02 09:41
schestowitzbut I think when it comes to s/w there has been too much empathy towards govs and companies that bomb peopleJan 02 09:41
schestowitzFSF might even want to seem "patriotic"Jan 02 09:41
Ariadnethe silver lining to RMS being booted out of FSF is that FSF might start doing things that actually make senseJan 02 09:41
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Ariadnebut hasn't happenedJan 02 09:42
schestowitzthat means not calling cops "thugs" and saying that it is them who assault people as opposed to perverts who make unwanted advancesJan 02 09:42
Ariadneboth are forms of assaultJan 02 09:42
schestowitzAriadne: they didn't get many new membersJan 02 09:42
schestowitzhardly 2/3Jan 02 09:42
schestowitzAriadne: RMS would not agreeJan 02 09:43
schestowitzwith the wordingJan 02 09:43
schestowitzand that's why he was in hot waterJan 02 09:43
schestowitzI think it's far less severe than actually doing the assaultJan 02 09:43
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Ariadneby the way, sometimes unwanted advances are not genuineJan 02 09:43
schestowitzlike people who say child pornography doesn't hurt anyone but do not themselves possess or care for anyJan 02 09:43
Ariadnesometimes men make advances towards women to convince them to leave a spaceJan 02 09:43
Ariadneits a complicated topicJan 02 09:44
schestowitzI never heard that beforeJan 02 09:44
schestowitzI know about testing boundariesJan 02 09:44
schestowitzsomeone explained it to us some years backJan 02 09:44
vZS1BtwJan 02 09:44
Ariadneits pretty common in techJan 02 09:44
vZS1Re: child pornographyJan 02 09:44
schestowitzit's a common pretextJan 02 09:45
schestowitzfor lots of thingsJan 02 09:45
vZS1There's child pornography being circulated on the internet under the guise of "nudism"Jan 02 09:45
schestowitzred herringsJan 02 09:45
vZS1"nudist lifestyle"Jan 02 09:45
schestowitzsounds like a FB thingJan 02 09:45
vZS1That's concerningJan 02 09:45
Ariadnewell, i have seen men do this to women because they wanted the women to leaveJan 02 09:45
vZS1I just wanted to bring it up because I forgot about itJan 02 09:45
schestowitzrmeember fb censored a picture of vietnam warJan 02 09:46
schestowitzan award-winning photoJan 02 09:46
Ariadnethat said i think RMS sometimes shoots himself in the footJan 02 09:46
schestowitzwe all doJan 02 09:47
schestowitzsometimesJan 02 09:47
Ariadnelike when the glibc maintainers wanted to remove that stupid abortion jokeJan 02 09:47
schestowitzhe writes and says a lotJan 02 09:47
Ariadneand he was likeJan 02 09:47
Ariadneno we are keeping itJan 02 09:47
schestowitzhe replies to every random email, even from 4chan trollsJan 02 09:47
vZS1Do you know where I can go to report sites circulating child porno under the guise of nudism?Jan 02 09:47
Ariadneand that's finalJan 02 09:47
schestowitzvZS1: maybe that british agency that blocked parts of wikipediaJan 02 09:48
AriadnevZS1: the netblocks they are on will have an abuse contactJan 02 09:48
schestowitzunder a similar basis/groundsJan 02 09:48
schestowitzbut that was like 15 years agoJan 02 09:48
schestowitzsomething WatchJan 02 09:48
AriadnevZS1: you can contact that abuse desk and be like IP has on it and it has child porn at URIJan 02 09:48
schestowitzI heard worse thingsJan 02 09:48
schestowitzabout taking down sites that are legitJan 02 09:48
schestowitzby uploading to them unsavoury thingsJan 02 09:49
Ariadneyeah it happensJan 02 09:49
schestowitzthen issuing complaints, takedowns, threatsJan 02 09:49
Ariadnesomeone tried to do that to pleroma.siteJan 02 09:49
schestowitzor just repelling those who participate in themJan 02 09:49
Ariadnethey uploaded CP and then reported itJan 02 09:49
Ariadneunfortunately for themJan 02 09:49
Ariadnei have my own IP spaceJan 02 09:49
Ariadneso i am the abuse contactJan 02 09:49
Ariadneso it was a jolly waste of time for theJan 02 09:49
AriadnemJan 02 09:49
Ariadne:)Jan 02 09:49
vZS1If you remember the name, let me knowJan 02 09:49
schestowitzthey blocked some pages in wikipediaJan 02 09:50
schestowitzbut it was so long ago, something to do with nudityJan 02 09:50
vZS1Did those pages have child pornography on them?Jan 02 09:50
schestowitzcan't recallJan 02 09:50
schestowitzit was unsafe for kids, they saidJan 02 09:50
schestowitzwikipedia has photos of nipples and genitalsJan 02 09:50
schestowitzfor relevant articlesJan 02 09:50
schestowitz"Planet Debian Uncensored (and its sister sites) has a tone different from mine and many Nazi analogies I never wrapped my head around (cannot; I think too many things are being compared to Nazis). Some articles from there I did not repost and in some cases I left out images that were not suitable for our audience. Techrights tried to help combat censorship; all who are longtime contributors and have facts on their site deserve a voiceJan 02 09:51
schestowitz Daniel is a good guy. He was betrayed in a very major way. He has many legitimate reasons to be upset. He's very supportive of RMS. A lot of what's said about him is patently false."Jan 02 09:51
schestowitzI think I know which articles of his upset peopleJan 02 09:51
schestowitzand are called unfoundedJan 02 09:51
schestowitzwe didn't repost some of themJan 02 09:52
schestowitzhe likes to compare many things to nazismJan 02 09:52
schestowitzmaybe because fsfe is predominantly german and he's in switzeerlandJan 02 09:52
schestowitzborn in .au to irish family, worked and lived in the UK (near me, same university at some point)Jan 02 09:52
schestowitzso the whole german thing is suspicious to himJan 02 09:53
schestowitzI still see German nazi web sitesJan 02 09:53
schestowitzthey predate social control media hypeJan 02 09:53
schestowitzpeople self-hosting with suse and stuffJan 02 09:53
schestowitzthe whole "hitler did nothing wrong BS"Jan 02 09:53
schestowitzand "gas chamber faked"Jan 02 09:54
schestowitzthe web was always full of junkJan 02 09:54
schestowitzin newsgroups it was rampant Jan 02 09:54
schestowitzmedia tries to tell us it's all newJan 02 09:54
schestowitz"troll farms"Jan 02 09:54
schestowitz"conspiracy theories"Jan 02 09:54
schestowitzbut i remember these going back to the 90sJan 02 09:54
schestowitzrememeber 02 09:54
schestowitzanyone familiar with it? 1990s...Jan 02 09:55
kingoffrancebe sure to leave a pretty corpse lolJan 02 09:55
AriadneanywaysJan 02 09:55
schestowitzreally gross, things like people shot in the faceJan 02 09:55
vZS1This predates the internetJan 02 09:55
schestowitzwww or net?Jan 02 09:55
kingoffranceyes, and they made fun of ppl who would laugh at a party at one pic and then be offended at next thingJan 02 09:55
schestowitzbefore the internet you'd need telegram or paper and stuffJan 02 09:55
Ariadnei wish gitea had CI integrationJan 02 09:56
Ariadneif it did, it would be perfect for my needsJan 02 09:56
schestowitzmaybe it can be conjoined with jenkinsJan 02 09:56
schestowitzI heard of people who use pertinent bits. github is just proprietary integrationJan 02 09:56
schestowitzlike bugzilla for bugsJan 02 09:56
schestowitzbugzilla is super-easy to set upJan 02 09:57
schestowitzand you can theme it alsoJan 02 09:57
schestowitzto suit gitea or gitlabJan 02 09:57
schestowitzkde and gnome gitlab is sort of bare and default themJan 02 09:57
schestowitz*themeJan 02 09:57
schestowitzinvent.kde.orgJan 02 09:57
Ariadneit can beJan 02 09:57
Ariadnei also absolutely despise bugzillaJan 02 09:57
schestowitzalmost no images at all, very cleanJan 02 09:57
Ariadnei'm just going to deploy gitlabJan 02 09:58
schestowitzyou can track bugs with ticketing systemsJan 02 09:58
schestowitzlike RT or OTRSJan 02 09:58
schestowitzill-suitedJan 02 09:58
Ariadneyeah my contributors hate thatJan 02 09:58
Ariadnethey want github/gitlab type workflowJan 02 09:58
Ariadnewith pass/fail CIJan 02 09:58
Ariadneon every MRJan 02 09:58
schestowitzbut has numbers and priorities and all, can be used to mark tasks and do permissions for access, reportingJan 02 09:58
Ariadnegitlab is actually better than what github has to offer in that regard :DJan 02 09:58
vZS1What's really important for a bug tracker is discoverability. I've been thinking about how to deal with that issue for the one I'm designing.Jan 02 09:59
schestowitzthe freebsd guy on kde (adrian de groot?) loves gitlab and MRsJan 02 09:59
schestowitzhe was sceptical at first, then wrote that he fell in love with itJan 02 09:59
Ariadneyeah i like it tooJan 02 09:59
Ariadneas do the people who send me patchesJan 02 09:59
Ariadneand reallyJan 02 10:00
Ariadnei want to optimize for whatever makes the people sending me patches happyJan 02 10:00
Ariadnewhile also ensuring ownership of dataJan 02 10:00
Ariadneso gitlab with github OAuth support is probably my best betJan 02 10:01
Ariadnefor making this easyJan 02 10:01
vZS1I don't see the point of GUIs on top of Git. I get data plotting and metrics but as an _interface_ it's nonsense.Jan 02 10:02
vZS1You can't automate it practically so it's already rubbishJan 02 10:02
vZS1Forced to work with DSLsJan 02 10:03
vZS1Which makes it even worseJan 02 10:03
Ariadnemostly its about code review and CI pass/failJan 02 10:04
vZS1Working with the base DVCS is much more productive and flexible. Can use any programming language to extend and automateJan 02 10:05
Ariadneyou *can* do the former with emailJan 02 10:05
vZS1Which is why we use a VCS in the first place: automationJan 02 10:05
Ariadnebut people hated that in my experience vs githubJan 02 10:05
Ariadneswitching to sourcehut for pkgconf resulted in everyone whining about it needing to go back to githubJan 02 10:05
vZS18GB RAM minimum requirement to host ShitLab.Jan 02 10:09
vZS1No thanksJan 02 10:09
AriadneyeahJan 02 10:09
Ariadneim just going to give it 32Jan 02 10:09
Ariadne:)))))Jan 02 10:09
vZS1People waste their time, thinking these interfaces will solve their problems. Then they have to fall back to plain CLI Git to get the real problems solvedJan 02 10:11
vZS1They're all just fancy presentation layers. Screw wasting so much computing on a presentation layer. That should be done on a separate program that the user has on their system. Separation of concernsJan 02 10:13
vZS1These Git UIs are typically all made by "front end" peopleJan 02 10:16
vZS1Who don't know anything about designing systemsJan 02 10:17
vZS1All under the guise of "accessibility"Jan 02 10:20
vZS1If someone is incapable of learning the DVCS, I'm not letting that incompetence seep into my code.Jan 02 10:20
schestowitzside storyJan 02 10:21
schestowitzI used to be hugely enamoured with GUIsJan 02 10:22
schestowitzI wrote tons of themJan 02 10:22
schestowitzfor every research projectJan 02 10:22
schestowitzeven if I was the only user of my programsJan 02 10:22
schestowitzin hindsight it just made them look more professionalJan 02 10:22
schestowitzbut likely was not worth the time/effortJan 02 10:22
schestowitzbecause the GUIs basically construct commandsJan 02 10:23
schestowitzand you can just put together more commands more quickly then you can press lots of thingsJan 02 10:23
schestowitzand then you can script over those commandsJan 02 10:23
schestowitzin shortJan 02 10:23
schestowitzGUIs lower learning curveJan 02 10:23
schestowitzbut that comes at a (hidden) costJan 02 10:23
schestowitzit might impress the bossJan 02 10:23
schestowitzbut would not make you necessarily productiveJan 02 10:24
vZS1Graphics are great. I love graphics. But they need to be functional and serve a purpose.Jan 02 10:24
vZS1Most GUIs are not serving a legitimate functional purposeJan 02 10:25
schestowitzthey are also a risk in maintenanceJan 02 10:25
schestowitzlike a new versiob of gtk comes outJan 02 10:26
schestowitzand you need to employ people to 'fix' the GUIJan 02 10:26
schestowitztoolkits are erraticJan 02 10:26
vZS1A good example of where graphics really help are interactive text editors. Highlighting indentation and that kind of stuffJan 02 10:28
vZS1But a GUI as an _interface_ to Git really is stupidity. You need to be an idiot to buy that crapJan 02 10:30
vZS1A GUI for a bug tracker makes a lot of sense too. That's where you really need the accessibility for some usersJan 02 10:31
vZS1A nice big "submit bug" buttonJan 02 10:32
vZS1GIAFAM wants to ruin Git just like they want to ruin GNU/Linux. Good, free tools they do not like.Jan 02 10:41
vZS1They're succeeding as well. Many people think Git and GitHub are synonymousJan 02 10:42
vZS1Without a healthy number of users, Git risks fading away.Jan 02 10:42
vZS1GitHub has its own CLI as well. Many people use that exclusively, now.Jan 02 10:43
vZS1Everybody bending over backwards to migrate to ShitHub doesn't helpJan 02 10:45
*schestowitz makes video about ipfsJan 02 11:09
schestowitzCLIJan 02 11:09
schestowitzI have to do it a second timeJan 02 11:09
schestowitzas someone's initials were showing in the consoleJan 02 11:10
schestowitzsomething I was trying to avoidJan 02 11:10
schestowitzanyway, the second time can be done better, more conciseJan 02 11:10
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scientesXRevan86, I was thinking about Chechnya defending that murder, and thinking themselves valient in doing soJan 02 14:31
scientesbut I defend saying they might put such people in the army over saying "there can be too much religion"Jan 02 14:32
scientesI think the problem is that people are trying to follow Mohammed, but he is not JesusJan 02 14:32
XRevan86Following Jesus is fundamentally better?Jan 02 14:33
scientesso I think the thing is to try to split up the chapters of the Koran and try to follow just one at a timeJan 02 14:33
scientesXRevan86, he told people to follow himJan 02 14:34
XRevan86scientes: Ah, you mean that Mohammed incorporated an interpretation of Christianity into Islam.Jan 02 14:34
scientesI just think there is *something* they are defending, in defending murder, that probably is of value, if questionableJan 02 14:34
scientesXRevan86, well Jesus is referened as just "Jesus" in chapter 4, and other places as "Jesus, son of Mary", "Jesus, the Messiah", and finially as a baby that Mary is holding in her arms, showing people.Jan 02 14:35
scientesso yes, there is an interpretation thereJan 02 14:36
XRevan86scientes: That is… pretty obvious. Putin's also defended something when tried to cover up the submarine Kursk sinkage.Jan 02 14:36
XRevan86Everyone's defending something (usually their interests).Jan 02 14:36
scientesindeedJan 02 14:36
scientesand in many persuits men try to learn by competition, and while christianity can handle that, islam almost can'tJan 02 14:37
XRevan86Religion hates criticism.Jan 02 14:38
scientesyeah, I think that is what I am sayingJan 02 14:38
XRevan86I don't know of a religion that says "critical thought is good".Jan 02 14:38
XRevan86It's always "critical thought is how you get to hell"Jan 02 14:38
scientesJews tend to get to that pointJan 02 14:39
scientesoh yeah, that was the other thingJan 02 14:39
scientesislam and christianity instruct people to leave their parentsJan 02 14:39
scientesbut yeah, it more has to do with critical thoughtJan 02 14:40
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scientesislam tends to become all about stupid rulesJan 02 14:40
XRevan86Religion teaches unconditional trust in itself, which is how it survives.Jan 02 14:40
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scientesand islam especially tends to be very intolerantJan 02 14:41
scientesbut that is from afar, I haven't really experienced it first handJan 02 14:41
XRevan86One of the strong points of Islam is that it doesn't tolerate defection.Jan 02 14:42
XRevan86Once Muslim forever Muslim.Jan 02 14:42
scientesbut I feel that is the whole strong point about worshipping god over a person, is that you then can critically thinkJan 02 14:42
scientesbut I am afraid that is just meJan 02 14:42
scientesyes, the defection thing is a big oneJan 02 14:43
scientesthose from muslim places with facebook complain about all the racismJan 02 14:43
scientesor whatever it is---anti-defectionJan 02 14:43
XRevan86For the people who were considered part of the cult from birth that literally means having no choice.Jan 02 14:43
scientesand intoleranceJan 02 14:43
scientesXRevan86, it certainly was threatening to the CCCP in Xin JiangJan 02 14:44
XRevan86> I feel that is the whole strong point about worshipping god over a person, is that you then can critically thinkJan 02 14:44
XRevan86I have no idea what you mean by that.Jan 02 14:44
scientesthey saw a new generation growing up with cell phones, and the children seeking out a muslim identity on their phonesJan 02 14:44
scientesXRevan86, pretending that someone doesn't exist will you a fist in the faceJan 02 14:45
scientesand this was an identity that 1. the CCCP had no control over, and 2. was seen as "not Chinese"Jan 02 14:46
scientesXRevan86, yeah, most worship is just the hypocrites copying other peopleJan 02 14:48
XRevan86The best thing about worshipping God over a person is that God doesn't exist, so there's no dirt under the rug – there is no dirt, and no rug.Jan 02 14:49
scientesyeah, that is what I was sayingJan 02 14:49
scienteswhich is best developed in Brothers KaramazovJan 02 14:50
XRevan86scientes: huhJan 02 15:02
scientes<XRevan86> The best thing about worshipping God over a person is that God doesn't exist, so there's no dirt under the rug – there is no dirt, and no rug.Jan 02 15:03
XRevan86scientes: I don't think we understood each other.Jan 02 15:03
scientesI agree with this statementJan 02 15:04
scientesit is possible to worship something that doesn't existJan 02 15:04
XRevan86What I meant is that it's impossible to debunk God, because there's nothing to debunk.Jan 02 15:05
scientesahhh, and I am saying that that is the best part about godJan 02 15:05
XRevan86If a person believes that God exists, there's just nothing to do.Jan 02 15:05
XRevan86If a person believes in a particular fortune-teller, there are ways to debunk.Jan 02 15:06
XRevan86So a belief in an abstract being that doesn't exist is stronger and will persist for much longer, than a belief in a person.Jan 02 15:06
scientesbut that is why we have flying spagetti monsterJan 02 15:06
XRevan86"the thing" in terms of survivability of a cultJan 02 15:07
XRevan86* "the best thing"Jan 02 15:07
XRevan86No contradictions with reality because no intersections with reality.Jan 02 15:08
XRevan86The weakest points of Judaism, Christianity and Islam are related to reality: facts and historical accounts.Jan 02 15:10
scientes<XRevan86> No contradictions with reality because no intersections with reality.Jan 02 15:10
XRevan86They made this shit up at least to some extent, and it shows.Jan 02 15:10
scientesbut that is related to incorrect expectationsJan 02 15:10
scientesXRevan86, if god doesn't exist, you HAVE to make it upJan 02 15:11
XRevan86scientes: A perfect religion would try not to make predictions about reality.Jan 02 15:11
XRevan86because that is how its fraudulent nature gets exposedJan 02 15:11
scientesuggghJan 02 15:12
scientesI need a vulkan driverJan 02 15:12
scientesfuck NVIDIAJan 02 15:12
scientesto play windows gamesJan 02 15:12
XRevan86Real religions just go "okay, this is factually incorrect, but it's a metaphor, even if it's explicitly stated that it's not a metaphor"Jan 02 15:13
scientesyeah, but haven't you even played that "opposite day" game?Jan 02 15:14
XRevan86> if god doesn't exist, you HAVE to make it upJan 02 15:14
XRevan86scientes: Voltaire, eh?Jan 02 15:14
scientesXRevan86, Candide and Pangloss certainly do get bored when they find El Dorado where philsophy is studiedJan 02 15:14
scientesand people talk about such silly things as the existance of GodJan 02 15:15
XRevan86scientes: Like when SMBC does it?Jan 02 15:15
scientesthat web site annoys meJan 02 15:15
scientesI had to spend too much time blocking annoying parts of the page, and there is still one ad I can't seem to blockJan 02 15:16
XRevan86seems to be fine for meJan 02 15:16
XRevan86scientes: As long as such discussions are treated in the same fashion as discussions of Klingon politics, I don't have a problem with that.Jan 02 15:17
XRevan86Spock united Vulkans and Romulans, can you believe it?Jan 02 15:18
XRevan86such character!Jan 02 15:18
scientesXRevan86, he should unite Vulkan and NVIDIAJan 02 15:19
scientesso I can play these gamesJan 02 15:19
XRevan86* VulcansJan 02 15:19
XRevan86scientes: Should've gotten an amdgpuJan 02 15:20
scientesnouveau worksJan 02 15:20
scientesit just doesn't support vulkanJan 02 15:20
scienteswhich is how wine provides better DX supportJan 02 15:20
*XRevan86 opened a Wikipedia article on Vulcans and looked for any mention of "elf": surprisingly none.Jan 02 15:22
scienteshahaJan 02 15:22
MinceR<(^_^)>Jan 02 15:23
XRevan86> From Middle English elf, from Old English ælf, from Proto-Germanic *albiz. Ultimately probably derived from Proto-Indo-European *h₂elbʰós (“white”). Jan 02 15:24
XRevan86elves are the white people!Jan 02 15:24
scientesubuntu doesn't even seem to have users anymoreJan 02 15:24
psydroidlolJan 02 15:25
MinceRgoodJan 02 15:27
psydroidUbuntu is just something I install(ed) for friends and relativesJan 02 15:28
XRevan86There's lots of potential here. Not as much as with "family" (slavery normalisation) though.Jan 02 15:29
scientescell phone OSes are really difficult to develoJan 02 15:29
scientesthere are so many more issues that desktops don't haveJan 02 15:29
psydroidbut I should install something else in the future now that they are pushing Snap and the likesJan 02 15:29
scientespsydroid, yeah, I plan to switch to Debian, but it ain't gonna happen anytime soonJan 02 15:30
scientesalso, the problem with mobile is that you can't develop on the same deviceJan 02 15:31
scienteswhich kinda takes away some of the motivationJan 02 15:31
MinceRyou could, if they weren't so limited by designJan 02 15:32
scientesMinceR, I guess I could with a hdmi monitorJan 02 15:33
scientesbut i don't have an hdmi in on my laptopJan 02 15:33
psydroidscientes, I've been running Debian Sid on some machines without any noteworthy problems, so I've been cutting down on the number of Ubuntu installs and only have one leftJan 02 15:34
scientespsydroid, yeah I run as few machines as possibleJan 02 15:34
scientesit is just my laptop and phoneJan 02 15:35
scientesI have a few vpses but I basically just set up wireguard and znc and then ignore themJan 02 15:35
psydroidthat's what I do too, as I don't like admining machines and wasting too much time that wayJan 02 15:36
MinceR 02 15:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Saturday Morning Breakfast Cereal - The End of HistoryJan 02 15:36
psydroidor I only install updates when I actually use the machinesJan 02 15:37
XRevan86 hmJan 02 15:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Williams syndrome - WikipediaJan 02 15:37
scientesI dislike the politics of open source softwareJan 02 15:39
scientesyeah ELF is actually a decent formatJan 02 15:50
XRevan86scientes: What a good format, what a bigoted name :3Jan 02 15:50
XRevan86it's both racist and able-istJan 02 15:51
XRevan86I can actually see this catch on if it were not me who saw that connection but BuzzFeed or something.Jan 02 15:52
XRevan86+ maybe sexistJan 02 15:53
XRevan86Because skinny elf ladies in video games.Jan 02 15:55
MinceRwhat happened to male elves?Jan 02 15:56
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XRevan86oh, and also body shamingJan 02 15:56
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XRevan86MinceR: Not as favoured in video games.Jan 02 15:56
MinceRonly some of the best, like Heretic and Heretic II :>Jan 02 15:56
XRevan86MinceR: Come on, don't ruin my narrative of elf social injustice.Jan 02 15:57
MinceRlolJan 02 15:57
XRevan86Oh, orc and ogre are technically the same thing.Jan 02 16:01
XRevan86I had no idea.Jan 02 16:01
XRevan86And in Italian orco is man-eating giantJan 02 16:02
XRevan86that explains why in the Russian dub of Shrek he was a man-eater.Jan 02 16:03
XRevan86Never made sense to me, now it does.Jan 02 16:03
XRevan86Well, partially. "man-eater" kind of ruins the whole narrative of Shrek and is probably the worst word to use even if it makes some historical or etymological sense.Jan 02 16:05
kingoffrancei saw a thing about little ppl being highly valued in egypt and elsewhere, various cultures, but youll have to research and i have in no way done so; didnt go into detail beyond heightJan 02 16:08
XRevan86 02 16:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Saturday Morning Breakfast Cereal - NumbersJan 02 16:10
XRevan86A symbol for 2π could be ᲅ :)Jan 02 16:12
MinceR:)Jan 02 16:14
MinceRisn't that closer to 1.5π?Jan 02 16:14
XRevan86MinceR: Imagine that two legs joined together into one :)Jan 02 16:15
scientesæJan 02 16:15
MinceR 02 16:15
scientesÆJan 02 16:15
scientes<XRevan86> Oh, orc and ogre are technically the same thing.Jan 02 16:16
scientesnot in video gamesJan 02 16:16
MinceRor in most fantasy settingsJan 02 16:16
scientesXRevan86, he was too cute to be a man-eater?Jan 02 16:16
XRevan86scientes: He didn't eat men.Jan 02 16:17
scientesbut he was an ogreJan 02 16:17
*scientes now forgets the plot of ShrekJan 02 16:17
scientesdoesn't help that they made sequelsJan 02 16:17
XRevan86scientes: Which inside the lore of Shrek didn't mean that he ate people.Jan 02 16:17
XRevan86scientes: Yes, but it's the same word, "ogre" is just French for orc.Jan 02 16:18
scientesyeah but its kind beauty and the beastJan 02 16:18
scientesand the beast doesn't eat menJan 02 16:18
scientesbut he is still a beastJan 02 16:18
MinceR 02 16:18
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XRevan86MinceR: Wrote an email to Zach, maybe he'll "fix" the after.png :DJan 02 16:19
MinceRin D&D, even the type of ogre is different from that of orcJan 02 16:19
MinceR(giant vs humanoid)Jan 02 16:19
scientes 02 16:19
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Beauty and the Beast Live- Me - YouTubeJan 02 16:19
XRevan86I think the correlation between tau and te is a great combo.Jan 02 16:19
MinceRi write the latter like a T anywayJan 02 16:20
scientesand Garcon certainly says that the beast is a man-eaterJan 02 16:20
scientesso I think Shrek is the same thingJan 02 16:20
scientesOrge is what *other* people call ShrekJan 02 16:20
XRevan86MinceR: Even in cursive?Jan 02 16:21
MinceRonly in cursiveJan 02 16:21
MinceRscientes: isn't ogre Shrek's species?Jan 02 16:21
scientesMinceR, a species that specializes in eating men?Jan 02 16:21
XRevan86MinceR: The cursive te looks like mJan 02 16:21
scientesyes, it isJan 02 16:21
scientesbut that is what makes him not a humanJan 02 16:21
MinceRXRevan86: afaik there are 2 versions of it and the other looks like TJan 02 16:22
scientesas this is fantasy worldJan 02 16:22
XRevan86MinceR: I am not aware of any other cursive variety.Jan 02 16:22
MinceRdo you call all handwriting "cursive"?Jan 02 16:22
scientesMinceR, he doesn't even know how to write Latin in cursiveJan 02 16:23
XRevan86MinceR: No, just a specific variety that joins all letters together.Jan 02 16:23
MinceRahJan 02 16:24
MinceRthen i guess my handwriting wasn't "cursive" even then :>Jan 02 16:24
MinceRsince then i've stopped joining letters together because i realized it made my writing a lot more readable and didn't slow me downJan 02 16:24
XRevan86 02 16:26
scientesugghJan 02 16:27
scientesI just barely learned to read printed cyrillicJan 02 16:27
XRevan862 марᲅа. Дикᲅанᲅ. Родина-маᲅь.Jan 02 16:27
scientesI read куркумни todayJan 02 16:28
scientesuggh my keyboard skills are horribleJan 02 16:28
XRevan86Curcumin?Jan 02 16:28
scientesits a spiceJan 02 16:28
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XRevan86While looking for examples I also saw 02 16:29
scientes 02 16:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Зира (растение) — ВикипедияJan 02 16:29
scienteshmmm doesn't use that hereJan 02 16:30
XRevan86so elaborateJan 02 16:30
scientesbut i could read it cause it was the same as englishJan 02 16:30
scientesქართულიJan 02 16:30
scientesbut the georgian wikipedia page has it differentJan 02 16:31
scientesno that wasn't it in georgian on tha packaging eitherJan 02 16:31
scientesit was the same as the cyrillicJan 02 16:31
scientesoh damnJan 02 16:32
scientesfirst, curcumaJan 02 16:32
scientesbut its actually goldensealJan 02 16:32
scientesnow that i ate someJan 02 16:33
scientesand maybe i just dont know what the hell it isJan 02 16:33
scientestumericJan 02 16:34
scientesbut it doesn't taste like tumericJan 02 16:34
scientes 02 16:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Curcuma - WikipediaJan 02 16:34
scientesok, i guess it is tumericJan 02 16:35
scientesyeah that is what i thought it wasJan 02 16:35
scientesi got cumin and tumeric confusedJan 02 16:35
scientesits just old and has lost its flavorJan 02 16:35
scientesflavoring agent in many Asian cuisines, especially for curries, as well as for dyeing, characteristics imparted by the principal turmeric constituent, curcumin.[4] TurmericJan 02 16:36
scientescumin != curcuminJan 02 16:36
MinceR02 172640 < XRevan86> 02 16:37
MinceRah yes, the famous infinite string of joined U shapesJan 02 16:37
MinceRgood luck finding out what it meansJan 02 16:37
scientesMinceR, Latin cursive loots similarJan 02 16:38
scientesso are you saying you can't read cursive?Jan 02 16:38
MinceRlatin cursive sometimes has the same issue, but to a lesser extentJan 02 16:38
scientesthe Zs are the sameJan 02 16:38
MinceRin russian cursive, и can look identical to лл or мJan 02 16:39
MinceRand there's no dot on i-s :>Jan 02 16:40
XRevan86MinceR: This is post-reform, there are no i-sJan 02 16:40
MinceRi knowJan 02 16:40
MinceRbut in latin cursive, a squiggly mess can at least be somewhat disambiguated by the dotsJan 02 16:41
MinceR 02 16:51
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XRevan86MinceR: Not really identical.Jan 02 16:56
XRevan86лл will have a bump in the middle that м will not haveJan 02 16:57
XRevan86and и will not have a preceding bump that м will haveJan 02 16:57
MinceRi'm sure that will be reliably and unambiguously reproduced every time in handwriting :>Jan 02 16:57
XRevan86MinceR: It actually will.Jan 02 16:58
XRevan86Now what is actually a problem is various combinations of и, ш and тJan 02 16:58
XRevan86partially solvable by (unenforced) strokes above т and below шJan 02 16:59
MinceRfully solvable by writing discrete letters :>Jan 02 16:59
XRevan86MinceR: Next thing you'll say a ballpoint pen is actually a common thing :)Jan 02 17:01
XRevan86 02 17:01
XRevan86A photograph of a fountain pen on Wikipedia, coincidentally above some Russian cursive writing %)Jan 02 17:01
MinceRgel pens and fountain pens are so much better than plain ballpoint pens :>Jan 02 17:02
XRevan86Ironically I can't actually read itJan 02 17:05
MinceRbecause it's cursive :>Jan 02 17:07
scientesthese user interrupts in riscv are really interestingJan 02 17:07
MinceRi got tired of having to press ballpoint pens down hard and still get breaks in ink, so i switched to fountain pensJan 02 17:08
MinceRand then used those until i wrote so rarely my pen dried out between every two instances of writing, then i got gel pens :)Jan 02 17:09
MinceRthough allegedly there is some fountain pen that won't dry outJan 02 17:09
XRevan86MinceR: I think I figured it out: I think this is South Slavic.Jan 02 17:09
MinceR:)Jan 02 17:09
XRevan86Bulgarian more specificallyJan 02 17:12
XRevan86but maybe not, I am confused by thisJan 02 17:12
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XRevan86MinceR: So the solar system is the centre of the universe?Jan 02 18:58
MinceRno, i am :>Jan 02 18:59
MinceRor maybe Azathoth isJan 02 19:04
XRevan86One of the two.Jan 02 19:04
DaemonFC[m]Well, if the universe is expanding then there is no permanent center to the universe.Jan 02 19:06
XRevan86DaemonFC[m]: Unless it expands uniformly in all directions.Jan 02 19:06
DaemonFC[m]We don't know that it does.Jan 02 19:06
MinceRwell, if you define a center for it, that is the point that stands still and everything expands fromJan 02 19:06
XRevan86DaemonFC[m]: We do know that MinceR is at the centre, so your argument is invalid.Jan 02 19:07
DaemonFC[m]In an explosion, you don't have the exact same amount of energy released in all directions at once.Jan 02 19:07
MinceRexplosions are finite in size, thoughJan 02 19:09
XRevan86O.K., fine, but can we at least agree that that point from which the matter was released is where MinceR is?Jan 02 19:09
MinceRit's easy to find the center of such an objectJan 02 19:09
DaemonFC[m]So if there was a variance in the big bang then the universe would not be a uniform shape, but it would still have a definable center, but only if you knew exactly how to calculate it.Jan 02 19:09
XRevan86or maybe AzathothJan 02 19:09
DaemonFC[m]So it's perhaps unknowable.Jan 02 19:09
XRevan86No means to find out != unknowableJan 02 19:10
XRevan86There is nothing more constant than change… of the Firefox menu design.Jan 02 19:12
MinceR:>Jan 02 19:13
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DaemonFC[m]I finally figured out whether to use the I-864A or not.Jan 02 19:28
DaemonFC[m]The lawyers are correct that you could include the income from your spouse on the I-864, but if you are depending upon it to bring the household above the poverty line, you should have that household member sign an I-864A to get a firm committment to support the household.Jan 02 19:28
DaemonFC[m]So the form is correct, but the instructions have you fill it out in a way that's easier for the immigration officer to deny.Jan 02 19:29
DaemonFC[m]Well, that's nice. MinceR Government.Jan 02 19:29
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DaemonFC[m]If you disregard the instructions on the form and fill out an I-864A even though that immigrant doesn't have to, it won't be denied and it will make it harder for the officer to deem them likely public charge or say your household doesn't have enough income.Jan 02 19:30
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DaemonFC[m]Because they signed an actual binding contract that obligates them to pay back the government if they use a named public benefit in the next 5 years.Jan 02 19:31
MinceRwhat does it have to do with me?Jan 02 19:31
DaemonFC[m]The government lies even by telling the truth.Jan 02 19:31
DaemonFC[m]I thought you'd get a kick out of it.Jan 02 19:31
DaemonFC[m]If they had waited even another month this would have been easier to fill out. I'm not going to have all of the tax forms I need by January 26th for the 2020 tax year. Jan 02 19:33
DaemonFC[m]It's almost like they want to set us up to fail. They schedule a day where there's likely to be a snowstorm, they do it when they know we won't have a tax filing prepared for the past year.Jan 02 19:33
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: Google is deliberately sabotaging other browsers and VPN users especially. I wonder how long before Firefox has to change search providers.Jan 02 19:37
DaemonFC[m]Many other browsers have already signed deals with either Microsoft or DuckDuckGo, because Google's sabotage is affecting their users.Jan 02 19:38
DaemonFC[m]Some revenue for GNOME comes from DuckDuckGo, but not a lot. Many distributions don't even include GNOME Web by default. Jan 02 19:38
DaemonFC[m]I think I read somewhere that Debian does now.Jan 02 19:39
DaemonFC[m]Things with Firefox have finally gotten to the point where it can't even be argued that it's Free Software anymore. Jan 02 19:39
DaemonFC[m]It's adware and spyware and includes many proprietary modules, and there's the same trademark issues there always were.Jan 02 19:39
DaemonFC[m]DRM won vs. the open web. Mozilla didn't even make a fuss over it.Jan 02 19:40
DaemonFC[m]They just said that they use a sandbox for the Widevine module.Jan 02 19:41
DaemonFC[m]Assuming that malicious software can't escape the sandbox is a big if, and that's an aside.Jan 02 19:41
DaemonFC[m]A sandbox is defense in depth from a malware assault, but sandboxes are never perfect. Jan 02 19:41
DaemonFC[m]I wonder about IPFS, honestly.Jan 02 19:42
DaemonFC[m]If the WebExtensions for Chrome and Firefox are good enough for someone to add support for it that way.Jan 02 19:42
DaemonFC[m]These extensions are not powerful, and Google makes them less powerful all the time, and still they're always plenty powerful for hundreds of them to slip in ads and pop-ups, and keyloggers.Jan 02 19:43
DaemonFC[m]Both Microsoft and Google boast about their security with the extensions, but they both got exposed for having many of the same malicious extensions, again, recently.Jan 02 19:44
DaemonFC[m]So neither company's review process, whatever that is, foiled it.Jan 02 19:44
DaemonFC[m]Microsoft has a store for Edge, but it's hard to imagine why. They're so indifferent to whatever Google does to the platform that they haven't made any changes that would render Chrome extensions incompatible that I have seen.Jan 02 19:45
DaemonFC[m]The fact that Microsoft has their own store makes Edge even less secure, because often the Edge version of an extension does not get published by the original author.Jan 02 19:46
DaemonFC[m]And the more hands these things pass through, the more likely it is that someone adds something bad.Jan 02 19:47
DaemonFC[m]It's another chance for someone to have bad intentions.Jan 02 19:47
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tr_guest|82710Simón says "It follows that pensioners will receive what is rightfully owed to them, i.e. pensions adjusted on the basis of the new adjustment method adopted unanimously by the Council". Who says "rightfully" ?Jan 02 21:03
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Ariadneschestowitz: rDNS has been fixed, email should work fine now.  you may have to update any SPF records to reflect the IP change thoughJan 02 22:21
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schestowitzAriadne: thanks!Jan 02 23:09
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schestowitzAriadne: can you PM me bank details so we can pay you?Jan 02 23:47

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