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scientesThis HP mouse i bought is working decentAug 06 00:15
scientesbut of course microsoft and hp don't make hardwareAug 06 00:15
scientesthey brand hardware made by foreign-owned factoriesAug 06 00:15
scientesand before those factories existed microsoft didn't make anythingAug 06 00:15
MinceRmy roccat and coolermaster mice work fineAug 06 00:16
scientesI had to get a new one cause the cheap on e i had the dpi was too low and causing me hand strainAug 06 00:25
scientesI always turn them up to top speedAug 06 00:26
scientesits only 10000, maybe i should get a something higherAug 06 00:26
scienteslike an 18000Aug 06 00:26
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MrGreenFriendhere is a good list of mouse sensors 06 00:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Mouse Guide - Flawless MiceAug 06 00:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | 3389 vs 3360 : MouseReviewAug 06 00:55
MrGreenFriend 06 00:57
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Mouse Guide - SensorsAug 06 00:57
MrGreenFriendi love the "Razer DeathAdder Elite":  (PMW 3390) 16000 CPI, 450 IPS.  ~$40. 06 01:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Razer DeathAdder Elite Gaming Mouse: 16,000 DPI Optical Sensor - Chroma RGB Lighting - 7 Programmable Buttons - Mechanical Switches - Rubber Side Grips - Matte Black (B01LXC1QL0) | Amazon price tracker / tracking, Amazon price history charts, Amazon price watches, Amazon price drop alerts | camelcamelcamel.comAug 06 01:12
schestowitzhmmmAug 06 01:13
schestowitzMrGreenFriend: The #techrights series on recycling is having the desired effect; #microsoft is panicking again, flooding the comments, lots of defamatory ad hominemAug 06 01:13
schestowitzMS staff and partnersAug 06 01:13
schestowitzthe usual smearsAug 06 01:13
schestowitz[00:44] <schestowitz> >> I wonder if this one too comes from Microsoft or an agency:Aug 06 01:14
schestowitz[00:44] <schestowitz> > Point #2 is their main talking point, used to excuse their position.Aug 06 01:14
schestowitz[00:44] <schestowitz> As I said to Rianne earlier, I must remind myselfAug 06 01:14
schestowitz[00:44] <schestowitz> 1. not to take this personally. I often do, e.g. when the media slanders AssangeAug 06 01:14
schestowitz[00:44] <schestowitz> 2. if it comes to this, it means we're effective. being ignored is worse.Aug 06 01:14
MrGreenFriendthere are plenty of good mice out there.  This Cooler Master  is fast & only 52g,  PMW 3389, 16000 DPI, 400 IPS. 06 01:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | NO TITLEAug 06 01:15
scientesoh, its only 1000 dpi, but still that is better than what i hadAug 06 01:15
MrGreenFriendschestowitz,  #microsoft is panicking again"   Haha, good job  :)Aug 06 01:17
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schestowitzMrGreenFriend: I will use that agaibst themAug 06 01:19
schestowitz(later today)Aug 06 01:19
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MrGreenFriendschestowitz, if it comes to this, it means we're effective. being ignored is worse."  that's rightAug 06 01:21
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MrGreenFriendschestowitz,  not to take this personally. I often do, e.g. when the media slanders Assange"  yeh, it is tough when media slanders Assange.  but the truth eventually prevails.  "Right side of History" and all that.  U can read Assange's writings from ~20 years ago: he has always delivered the same message.Aug 06 01:27
schestowitzcheers for that, so you understand...Aug 06 01:28
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: OSMC's July update is here []Aug 06 01:29
schestowitzthe next part is about Microsoft slanderAug 06 01:29
schestowitzSo I'll turn these against themAug 06 01:29
schestowitzwithout quoting or linking their liesAug 06 01:29
schestowitzthey mosty do a me too of frank shawAug 06 01:29
schestowitznotorious Microsoft liar in chiefAug 06 01:29
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-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Daniel Stenberg: First HTTP/3 with curl []Aug 06 01:37
MrGreenFriendschestowitz, yeh, in hindsight, it would have been safer for Assange to be psuedo-anonymous, vs going public to spread his message further.  i  wonder how he made that decision?Aug 06 01:38
schestowitzhappened around a decade backAug 06 01:44
schestowitzwhen he, with his long hair, started appearing on TVAug 06 01:45
schestowitzprior to that WL was faceless, like CrymptimeAug 06 01:45
schestowitzwhich was likely betterAug 06 01:45
schestowitzI say it often:Aug 06 01:45
schestowitzdon't personify causesAug 06 01:45
schestowitznot even EricAug 06 01:45
schestowitzit makes it hard to tackle the causes by attacking peopleAug 06 01:46
schestowitzand their character, attitude, supposed intendAug 06 01:46
schestowitzAl Gore, Greta Thunberg...Aug 06 01:46
schestowitzoh cool: 06 01:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Linux Today - Microsoft Being Microsoft, Bullying Everyone Who Reduces Microsoft's ProfitsAug 06 01:49
schestowitzI think it'll spread for a whileAug 06 01:49
schestowitzand we've only just startedAug 06 01:49
schestowitzMrGreenFriend: at a later point I hope we can present testimonies and court docsAug 06 01:50
MrGreenFriend 06 01:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Glenn Greenwald: Why privacy matters - YouTubeAug 06 01:51
schestowitzgreat talkAug 06 01:52
schestowitzI like him since ages agoAug 06 01:52
schestowitz2008 ishAug 06 01:52
schestowitzhe's a very effective writer on issues like publishingAug 06 01:52
schestowitzNow the fuhrer of Brazil wants him in prisonAug 06 01:52
schestowitzSo you KNOW he's effectiveAug 06 01:52
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schestowitzwow, 1320014 hits in techrights in the past 36 hours aloneAug 06 01:54
schestowitzthe hypervisor (physical server) is screamingAug 06 01:55
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MrGreenFriend1.3 Million hits in 36 hours?  Wow. What is 'average' for 36 hours?Aug 06 02:01
schestowitzusually about half thatAug 06 02:02
MrGreenFriendschestowitz, why don't u use HTTPS?  it's more secure and faster: 06 02:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Troy Hunt: I wanna go fast: HTTPS' massive speed advantageAug 06 02:04
MrGreenFriend 06 02:06
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Complete Guide - How to Migrate from HTTP to HTTPS - KeyCDNAug 06 02:06
schestowitzwe're working on this in a VMAug 06 02:08
schestowitzthis migration has been difficult for us, for technical reasonsdAug 06 02:08
schestowitzesp. centosAug 06 02:08
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Server: Kubernetes, SUSE Cloud Application Platform, Mesosphere/D2IQ and Kubernetes Adoption Drivers []Aug 06 02:13
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schestowitzMrGreenFriend: Aug 06 03:03
schestowitz"Aug 06 03:03
schestowitzI might write about it later, but...Aug 06 03:03
schestowitzShort story: handlers of #microsoftpeter (child rapist who spread #microsoft lies through ArseTtechnically Pedophile, a #condenast tech tabloid) now defame #ericlundgrenAug 06 03:03
schestowitzMicrosoft are a dangerous cultAug 06 03:03
schestowitz"Aug 06 03:03
schestowitzI am referring to Frank X Shaw et alAug 06 03:03
schestowitzI can provide more background if you missed this scandalAug 06 03:03
MrGreenFriendlink?Aug 06 03:06
schestowitzwhich part?Aug 06 03:20
schestowitzmaybe you mean this: 06 03:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Microsoft Peter is a Pedophile, Arrested Without Bail | TechrightsAug 06 03:21
schestowitzupdate: 06 03:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Even After Microsoft Lost Its PR ‘Asset’ at Ars Technica (Arrested for Sexually Abusing Kids) Ars Technica Persists With Microsoft Advocacy (in ‘News’ Form) | TechrightsAug 06 03:21
schestowitzSee image at top. Shaw was 'managing' himAug 06 03:21
schestowitzMary Jo Foley once explained to me how they had managed themAug 06 03:21
schestowitzwith "buddies"Aug 06 03:21
schestowitzThe Verge helped defame Eric tooAug 06 03:21
schestowitzThe Verge was edited by Bill Gates at one point, they're closeAug 06 03:22
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-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: today's leftovers []Aug 06 05:07
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schestowitz[00:16] <MrGreenFriend> DaemonFC[m],  MinceR,  a bigger problem with Samsung phones is the locked-bootloader, in USA. (other countries' variants allow unlocking-bootloader, available on Ebay)  The eternal debate is: Who to blame:  USA Carriers or Samsung?  i would say Samsung, b/c even if you buy a carrier-unlocked phone outright(i.e. pay the full $1000 up front at Best Buy/Frys/Microcenter)--- it is still Locked-BootloaderAug 06 06:20
schestowitzbloody ripoffAug 06 06:20
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schestowitz[10:03] <MrGreen> I know.. I'm not afraid of them and nor are you. I already took their punches and coming back more focused.Aug 06 06:29
schestowitz[10:04] <schestowitz> they slandered me also, but there's a limit to how much they can do this without getting caught as it then backfiresAug 06 06:29
schestowitz[10:05] <MrGreen> Yup.. Question.. Aug 06 06:29
schestowitz[10:07] <MrGreen> MSFT has printed & said that my software "caused Bloatware & Virus" on consumers computer - yet it was 100% THEIR SOFTWARE! It was an exact mirror duplicate of the freeware Restore CD Given away.. Aug 06 06:30
schestowitz[10:08] <MrGreen> How do you address #Slander & #Libel from MSFT like this? Aug 06 06:30
schestowitz[10:08] <schestowitz> you cannot, it doesn't scaleAug 06 06:30
schestowitz[10:08] <MrGreen> They said in court & in the mediaAug 06 06:30
schestowitz[10:08] <schestowitz> this is why they do itAug 06 06:30
schestowitz[10:08] <schestowitz> wikileaks said the sameAug 06 06:30
schestowitz[10:09] <schestowitz> they slander assange several times per dayAug 06 06:30
schestowitz[10:09] <schestowitz> when he sues even once, over one article, it can take years in court, legal budget sky-highAug 06 06:30
schestowitz[10:09] <schestowitz> I was friends with Assange until his arrest and disconnectionAug 06 06:30
schestowitz[10:10] <MrGreen> They said I was defrauding the cause I claimed to support. - How can they get away with saying this stuff?!?!?! Aug 06 06:30
schestowitz[10:10] <schestowitz> Wikileaks wrote about how the rich can get away with any lie given existing slapp and libel lawsAug 06 06:30
schestowitz[10:10] <schestowitz> so you cannot sue them, but you should rebutAug 06 06:30
schestowitz[10:10] <schestowitz> again and again, make them run out of "black PR" moneyAug 06 06:30
schestowitz[10:11] <MrGreen> Rebut? Aug 06 06:30
schestowitz[10:11] <schestowitz> you present the counter argument (to the above) and hope more people see the rebuttal than the lieAug 06 06:30
schestowitz[10:11] <MrGreen> Yes, That is what I did.. Aug 06 06:30
schestowitz[10:11] <schestowitz> they have the moneyAug 06 06:30
schestowitz[10:11] <schestowitz> but you have a better story to tellAug 06 06:30
schestowitz[10:11] <schestowitz> and money cannot always beat factsAug 06 06:30
schestowitz[10:11] <MrGreen> It wasn't hard to win the PR War in my case as it was so obviously fucked-up. Aug 06 06:30
schestowitz[10:12] <schestowitz> make sure they didn't "Shelves" itAug 06 06:30
schestowitz[10:12] <schestowitz> "shelve"Aug 06 06:30
schestowitz[10:12] <schestowitz> bring the docs back out and show what they did. Again.Aug 06 06:30
schestowitz[10:12] <MrGreen> I will keep at it.. There is a "Chapter 2" and "Chapter 3" in the works now. Aug 06 06:30
schestowitz[10:13] <schestowitz> coolAug 06 06:30
schestowitz[10:14] <MrGreen> More humanitarian work, More world-records, More National Recycling Programs.. It's best to let your work speak for itself. Aug 06 06:30
schestowitz[10:16] <MrGreen> It's not me.. It's my company. They are doing some really BIG things that I can't wait to share! : ) Aug 06 06:30
schestowitz[10:16] <MrGreen> Shit - itAug 06 06:30
schestowitz[10:17] <MrGreen> shit - it's 2:15 - I have to be on a plane in 5 hours! Goodnight  Schestowitz! : ) Aug 06 06:30
schestowitz[10:17] <schestowitz> I just write things, but like I said, phtoos approved for use and court docs can helpAug 06 06:30
schestowitz[10:17] <MrGreen> I'll send you both. Aug 06 06:30
schestowitz[10:17] <schestowitz> I will do another piece about your case this weekendAug 06 06:30
schestowitz[10:17] <schestowitz> g'nightAug 06 06:30
schestowitz[10:17] <MrGreen> ok  g'nightAug 06 06:30
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schestowitzMrGreenFriend: maybe you can add urls/refs for this...Aug 06 06:42
schestowitzI am workng on the next partAug 06 06:42
schestowitzhaveb't even gotten to photos and court docs yetAug 06 06:42
schestowitzthat too will comeAug 06 06:42
schestowitzand telling the story of his work, his company...Aug 06 06:43
schestowitzwe'll hand Microsoft's band end... back to themAug 06 06:43
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schestowitzas they know this case is a messAug 06 06:43
schestowitzall they do not is demonise EricAug 06 06:43
schestowitzand we can rebut thatAug 06 06:43
schestowitztakes effort, but doableAug 06 06:43
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schestowitzMr. Green have lots of Friends, they even share an IP address ;-)Aug 06 06:45
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MrGreenFriend2hey, sorry, i have shoddy internet connection here.Aug 06 06:46
MrGreenFriend2schestowitz, wow, a lot to read about that. The evidence looks pretty damning-- but even for crimes as serious as that, it is important to have a trial by jury. 06 06:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | bright.pdf | DocDroidAug 06 06:46
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schestowitzIf they did not FABRICATE what he had said, then he already confessed to fucking kidsAug 06 06:48
schestowitzhe cannot spin that as "teaching" them to "take videos"Aug 06 06:48
schestowitzAnd he used Facebook WhatsAppAug 06 06:48
schestowitzWhen you lick the Microsoft boot you might actually thing that crap is safeAug 06 06:48
MrGreenFriend2schestowitz, i agree, he probly is a bad guy, i doubt he was coerced into confession.  My point is: hopefully this is not used as a way to take away freedom of speech (i.e. encryption) 06 06:52
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Four Horsemen of the Infocalypse - WikipediaAug 06 06:52
MrGreenFriend2“There is a First Amendment right to speak in an encrypted way… The right to speak P.G.P. is like the right to speak Navajo. The Government has no particular right to prevent you from speaking in a technical manner even if it is inconvenient for them to understand.” ~ Eben Moglen Professor of Law Columbia University, New York Times, 21 September 1993Aug 06 06:53
MrGreenFriend2 06 06:55
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Man jailed indefinitely for refusing to decrypt hard drives loses appeal | Hacker NewsAug 06 06:55
schestowitzmy next article will quote you btwAug 06 06:56
schestowitznot actual 'realname' unless you want me toAug 06 06:56
schestowitzthat would expose you to defamation tooAug 06 06:56
schestowitz"--A friend of Lundgren"Aug 06 06:57
MrGreenFriend2what quote? Aug 06 06:57
schestowitzsome irc stuffAug 06 06:57
schestowitztidied upAug 06 06:57
schestowitzMrGreenFriend2: no encryption taken away in Bright's caseAug 06 06:57
schestowitzquick recap from memoryAug 06 06:58
schestowitzthey posted the sting/bait in a pervy siteAug 06 06:58
schestowitzhe took the baitAug 06 06:58
schestowitzasked to take the discussion to WhatsAppAug 06 06:58
schestowitzWith FBI agentAug 06 06:58
schestowitzthen said he had done something similar in BrooklynAug 06 06:58
schestowitzand used colourful code words for anal sex, vagina etc.Aug 06 06:58
schestowitz"tips of penis", "foreskin"Aug 06 06:59
schestowitzmaybe too colourful for actual child abuse victimsAug 06 06:59
schestowitzhaha... here's my humour addedAug 06 06:59
schestowitznow he can explain that foreskin is "code word" for camera coverAug 06 06:59
schestowitzpenis is camera etc.Aug 06 07:00
schestowitzCoding in reverseAug 06 07:00
schestowitz"No, seriously! I always speak of video-taking lessons in sexual terms! Very normal!"Aug 06 07:00
MrGreenFriend2schestowitz, i know, i meant using his case as *excuse* to pass new law (or 'reinterpret' old law):  outlawing encryption Aug 06 07:00
schestowitzhe didn't rely on itAug 06 07:00
schestowitzthe other end in e2e here was an FBI agentAug 06 07:01
schestowitzso even if the crypto was 100% perfect, he spoke to the wrong personAug 06 07:01
schestowitzlike Lamo and Chelsea ManningAug 06 07:01
schestowitz(whom I think used IRC)Aug 06 07:01
schestowitzLamo, now dead, pretended he was like a pastor to confess to or a journoAug 06 07:02
schestowitzhe was an FBI 'rat'Aug 06 07:02
schestowitzOK... first draft on Eric Lundgren now doneAug 06 07:03
schestowitzneed to proofread itAug 06 07:03
MrGreenFriend2yeh, in this case, it seems pretty damning... But still, it is important, that innocent people arent 'framed' by these similar kind of tactics.  e.g.  a new type of ransomware-virus that starts a conversation like this, from your own computer.  Aug 06 07:03
schestowitzmaybe you too can spot typos after I publish it (in a few minutes)Aug 06 07:03
schestowitzor to iron our any remaining inaccuraciesAug 06 07:03
schestowitzMrGreenFriend2: if FBI isn't making stuff up (which sometimes it does sadly), it was him taking the baitAug 06 07:04
schestowitzkinkd adAug 06 07:04
schestowitzso he self-selected himself as targetAug 06 07:04
MrGreenFriend2schestowitz, yes, he probly is guilty, and i trust your judgment---  i just fear that viruses are gonna get a hell of a lot worse in the future.  How hard would it be to write a virus like that sends messages like that? pretty easyAug 06 07:09
MrGreenFriend2did u see the Black Mirror episode on Ransomware?Aug 06 07:10
MrGreenFriend2Black Mirror S03E03 "Shut Up & Dance".  Really messed up, and all possible with today's tech.  i can send it to u right now, if u want?Aug 06 07:12
schestowitzI don't even know that showAug 06 07:12
schestowitzMrGreenFriend2: this isn't his legal defenseAug 06 07:13
schestowitzhe doesn't claim not to have sent these messages afaikAug 06 07:13
schestowitzBut I see your pointAug 06 07:13
schestowitzI worry more about what some people claim to have been victim of -- people sending them kiddie p0rn by email using remailersAug 06 07:14
schestowitzand then they 'posses' it, by merely connecting to pop3/imapAug 06 07:14
schestowitzapparently gab had kiddie porn uploaded to it as wellAug 06 07:14
MrGreenFriend2oh, man, don't watch any previews/spoilers!  it will spoil it.  anyway, it is a really messed up show about dystopian-near future.  All about technology, that is possible or close-to-possible.  Haha, maybe it is better that you don't watch it, it is SUPER depressing show.Aug 06 07:14
schestowitz 06 07:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/ Well done, #Cloudflare And thank you Thank you for proving me right You're a #surveillance and #censorship company You start with nazis and you move on closer from that edgeAug 06 07:16
MrGreenFriend2schestowitz, yes exactly--- kiddie porn is now weaponized.  And judges/juries are too stupid to understand remailers/spoofing/viruses/etcAug 06 07:16
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schestowitzMrGreenFriendd: read ^^ quicklyAug 06 07:40
schestowitzif you want to amendAug 06 07:40
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MrGreenFriend2Even worse, for WhatsApp, there are tons of 'unofficial' versions.  Who knows what these programs are doing... These 'unofficial' versions are easier to make,  than a Virus for WhatsApp. 06 08:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | 15 Best WhatsApp Mod Apps for Android (Updated August 2019)Aug 06 08:09
MrGreenFriend2schestowitz, yeh, those quotes are fine, u didn't use my name  :)   I don't want to be famous like MrGreen.  I'm just here to help out, hahaAug 06 08:12
MrGreenFriend2schestowitz, some feedback:  "It would be wrong to put Microsoft/Windows logos on these because there’s more to them than Windows."  - i'm not sure that it is "wrong"... i think it is simply Dell's decision to leave the M$ Logo off of it. Aug 06 08:15
oiaohmMrGreenFriend2: The Microsoft and Windows writting on that disc Microsoft registered with trademark office as logo.     When you are a Microsoft partner you can do training on how you make those discs labels.Aug 06 08:17
oiaohmMrGreenFriend2: part of that training tells you that you have to put your companies primary logo on the disc and microsoft sub logos.Aug 06 08:17
oiaohmMrGreenFriend2: and you cannot put Microsoft primany logo on it.Aug 06 08:17
oiaohmThis is for malware infection tracking.Aug 06 08:17
oiaohmYes you are also require to put a version number on it somewhere.Aug 06 08:18
oiaohmThat is basically a batch number.Aug 06 08:18
MinceRmakes sense that you put the malware developer's logo on the malware install mediaAug 06 08:19
schestowitzlolAug 06 08:19
oiaohmMinceR: exactly.Aug 06 08:19
oiaohmNow someone attempting to copy discs their process could be infected.Aug 06 08:19
oiaohmSo it very important that you are putting you name and version on any copy you make from a security point of view.Aug 06 08:20
MinceRthat's great because whoever wanted that malware gets bonus malwareAug 06 08:20
oiaohmThere are reasons why the OEM made Microsoft discs are labeled the way the are and why Microsoft or one of the OEM will eforce by some means that you cannot just straight up 100 percent clone.Aug 06 08:21
MinceRsure you can, it's just that they can sue you for it if they can find youAug 06 08:22
MinceRdoes microsoft believe that other malware distributors obey trademark law? :>Aug 06 08:22
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oiaohmMicrosoft knows they don't and it one of the systems Microsoft uses to shut some of infection paths down.Aug 06 08:23
MrGreenFriend2schestowitz, hmmm, this would need fact-checking:  "IMAGED"... i haven't used a Dell Restore CD  in a while,either  ;)  (and maybe i'm wrong) IIRC they do get 'installed'. not just 'imaged' à la "dd/ddrescue/clonezilla" Aug 06 08:23
oiaohmMicrosoft has used trademark law to take down command and control servers of bot nets as well MinceRAug 06 08:24
MinceRsomeone needs to take down theirs as wellAug 06 08:24
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oiaohmMrGreenFriend2: depends on the Dell Restore CD.   Some are windows installer disc with extra software.Aug 06 08:25
MinceRextra malware from dHellAug 06 08:25
oiaohmMinceR: yep the malware that is in fact paying for the Windows license so dell does not have ot.Aug 06 08:26
oiaohmot/toAug 06 08:26
MrGreenFriend2oiaohm, okay... i have a secret "Surprise Patent" on the name 'oiaohm', but i'm not gonna show it to you.... i'm just gonna sue your pants off  ;)Aug 06 08:26
MinceR:>Aug 06 08:27
oiaohmMrGreenFriend2: that is how patent cases go.Aug 06 08:27
oiaohmMrGreenFriend2: only once you go to court do they in fact have to show you with patents what one they are asking you to pay license on.Aug 06 08:28
schestowitzsurprise trademark ratherAug 06 08:28
schestowitzlooks like ordinary fontAug 06 08:28
schestowitzwith glorified (R) -)Aug 06 08:28
oiaohmYep.Aug 06 08:28
oiaohmAnd due to R being there you cannot claim that you were not warned that it was registered.Aug 06 08:29
oiaohmOr could be registered.Aug 06 08:29
MrGreenFriend2oiaohm, they DIDN'T show the "Surprise Patent" in court, AFAIK. Aug 06 08:29
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oiaohmMrGreenFriend2: remember what I said they don't have to until a party challanges.Aug 06 08:30
oiaohmMrGreenFriend2: this case Microsoft involvement was not challanged.Aug 06 08:30
oiaohmSo they were not required to use the logos on the disc to prove that they were effected party.Aug 06 08:30
oiaohmLot of ways it was good that Microsoft pushed this not dell.Aug 06 08:31
oiaohmWith the prior precendant if dell had pushed it he could have be up for the total costs of thoses machines new.Aug 06 08:31
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oiaohmThe prior precendants around counterfiet totally sux.Aug 06 08:32
oiaohmPatent and copyright courts are somewhat fair to the loser.    Counterfiet court rulings are totally unfair.Aug 06 08:33
oiaohmUsing counterfiet laws is like attempting to use a sledge hammer to put in a small nail in a picture frame in this case.Aug 06 08:34
MrGreenFriend2BTW, 'ddrescue' is an amazing program! 06 08:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | How to Clone a Hard Drive With Bad Sectors Using ddrescue - Data Recovery Forum HomeAug 06 08:37
oiaohmMrGreenFriend2:   Trademark/counterfiet laws get totally evil.   Like here company who had been making ugg boots years before the company trademarks ugg and magically their products were now counteriet.Aug 06 08:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Ugg: The battle over an iconic Australian boot - BBC NewsAug 06 08:37
MinceRah yes, the boots that make you say their name when you look at themAug 06 08:38
MinceR"Ugg!"Aug 06 08:38
oiaohmYou do not want to be in a Trademark court with any chance of losing.Aug 06 08:39
oiaohmMinceR: yes the way you typed that the company trademarked that as well.Aug 06 08:39
MinceRalso, what a surprise, the state fucked something up yet againAug 06 08:39
oiaohmTrademark law lacking prior art test is a very big problem.Aug 06 08:40
MinceRit's not like they use that test in patent law eitherAug 06 08:40
oiaohmPrior art is in the patent law if you go to court.Aug 06 08:40
MinceRif they did, many of micro$oft's and crApple's criminal schemes would have been thrown out of courtAug 06 08:41
MinceRlike VFAT and rounded slab-like devicesAug 06 08:41
oiaohmOf course those with patents attempt to get you to agree to pay without going to court and having to prove their patents are valid.Aug 06 08:41
oiaohmHeck they attempt to get you to pay for a patent pool so they don't even have to tell you the exact patents you are paying for so you cannot work around the patents.Aug 06 08:42
oiaohmMinceR: Really we need patent validity made a legal requirement before you can in fact charge money for it.   What I hate about patent contracts is the fact if they turn out that they had no valid patents there is no requirement to refund. Aug 06 08:44
oiaohmOr scrap the complete patent system.Aug 06 08:44
MinceR"In the US it is seen as classy, just a little bit different, and a little edgy."Aug 06 08:45
oiaohmTrademark law need some extra sanity.Aug 06 08:45
MinceRusians have no taste, episode 9001Aug 06 08:45
MinceRoiaohm: no, we need the patent system goneAug 06 08:45
MinceRand the rest of imaginary propertyAug 06 08:46
MinceRand preferably the rest of the stateAug 06 08:46
MinceRafaict the state isn't working correctly anywhere on earthAug 06 08:46
MinceRdefinitely not in the EU or the US or russia or chinaAug 06 08:46
oiaohmThe orginal patent system 1 you had to demo your physical thing.   2 you got protection and 3 you had to state your license fee for the patent on the patent application.Aug 06 08:46
oiaohmSo a person could pick up patent and make product and know how much they had to pay you.Aug 06 08:47
oiaohmThe orginal patent system did help out inventors.Aug 06 08:47
oiaohmOver time the patent system has gone totally messed up.Aug 06 08:48
MrGreenFriend2oiaohm,   when u pay for a 'patent pool', u don't know which 'patents' are in the 'pool'? LOLWTFFFFFAug 06 08:48
oiaohmMrGreenFriend2:  << yep patent pools like this one you join and they will never show you the patent list.Aug 06 08:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Licenses for Standards and Other Technology Platforms | MPEG LAAug 06 08:49
MinceRwell, at least you aren't told which they thought appliedAug 06 08:49
MrGreenFriend2oiaohm, thx for that Ugg story, ridiculous... but i would hope a Jury would overturn thatAug 06 08:49
MinceRyou shouldn't trust juries eitherAug 06 08:49
oiaohmMrGreenFriend2: that the thing when you are in trademark court you are in the world of ridiculous.Aug 06 08:49
MinceRit was a jury that decided that crApple had an exclusive right to the rounded rectangleAug 06 08:49
MinceRyou shouldn't trust humans to do anything except exterminate themselves, which is already happeningAug 06 08:50
oiaohmMrGreenFriend2: where a 15 cent part can see you pay 200 dollars + because it part of a pair of jeans.  Or like this disc and the full windows license.Aug 06 08:50
oiaohmMrGreenFriend2: sorry I wrote that wrong when you have groups like mpegla make patent pools when you join this patent pools they never show you the patent list you have to take it on blind faith they have something or risk going to court and finding out that way.Aug 06 08:52
oiaohmMrGreenFriend2: I wish it was LOLWTFFF on the way these patent pools work.   But its the real world.Aug 06 08:52
MrGreenFriend2http://en.swpat.orgAug 06 08:52
-TechrightsBot-tr/ - The Software Patents WikiAug 06 08:53
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oiaohmMrGreenFriend2: issue with the patent system don't only stop at software patents.Aug 06 08:57
MrGreenFriend2MinceR,  https://FIJA.orgAug 06 08:57
oiaohmI really do hate that licensing patents does not require you to state legally want patents are being licensed.Aug 06 08:57
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Fully Informed Jury Association : HomeAug 06 08:57
schestowitzsstraw man, oiaohmAug 06 08:57
schestowitzwho said it was?Aug 06 08:57
MrGreenFriend2MinceR, 06 08:58
schestowitz[08:57] <oiaohm> MrGreenFriend2: issue with the patent system don't only stop at software patents.Aug 06 08:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Fully Informed Jury Association - WikipediaAug 06 08:58
schestowitzissue with cars don't stop at back doorsAug 06 08:58
MinceRalso, in that case, the jury violated the rules they were given by the state and the judgeAug 06 08:58
MinceRthey were told how to do their job and they failed to do it the right wayAug 06 08:58
oiaohmschestowitz: Lot of the software patent problems.   Apply to the physical patents or patents pretending to be physical patents as well.Aug 06 08:59
oiaohmschestowitz: like not having to prove that its truly a new invention before getting patent.Aug 06 08:59
MinceR(but it's ok, but the USA, like many other states, has no rule of law)Aug 06 09:01
oiaohm  << like this myth that is used about software patents equally applies to physical patents.    All 4 myths the software patent site mentions applies to patents in general.Aug 06 09:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Protecting small inventors myth - software patents wiki ( 06 09:01
MinceRs/but t/because t/Aug 06 09:01
MinceRoiaohm: does the issue of patenting vague ideas also apply to patents in general already?Aug 06 09:02
MrGreenFriend2MinceR, i didn't follow that rounded rectangle case closely, but Jurors are supposed to vote their conscience AKA use common-senseAug 06 09:02
oiaohmMinceR:  << Yes.Aug 06 09:03
MinceRMrGreenFriend2: ah, so they're expected to be superhumanAug 06 09:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Wheel patented in Australia | New ScientistAug 06 09:03
MinceRjust like the rest of the stateAug 06 09:03
MinceRoiaohm: lolAug 06 09:03
schestowitzmaybe it's inventive in AussiaAug 06 09:03
schestowitzuntil aboriginals dispute with prior artAug 06 09:03
oiaohmschestowitz: people have done that in every patent system around the world of patenting the wheel.Aug 06 09:03
schestowitzcoolAug 06 09:03
schestowitzgood trollAug 06 09:03
oiaohmTo prove their patent system is broken.Aug 06 09:04
MrGreenFriend2oiaohm, 06 09:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Re-inventing the wheel: Why not? Many do. - Re-inventing the wheel: Why not? Many do.Aug 06 09:04
oiaohmSo the idea that physical patents don't have vague ideal problem is wrong.Aug 06 09:04
schestowitzposted just 2 days ago: 06 09:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Patent Trolls’ Paradise: The EPO is a Rubber-Stamping Machine, So Why Not Automatically Generate Patent Applications? | TechrightsAug 06 09:04
oiaohmThe complete patent system has a vague idea problem.Aug 06 09:04
schestowitztrolling the EPO, sciGen styleAug 06 09:04
schestowitz 06 09:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | SCIgen - WikipediaAug 06 09:05
oiaohmI don't see software patents are really that much of a special case.   The complete patent system needs a fix.Aug 06 09:05
MinceReliminationAug 06 09:05
oiaohmOr possible scrap it and start over with something that does protect small inventors like go back to the orginal.Aug 06 09:06
schestowitzyeahAug 06 09:06
schestowitzthat's what I keep sayingAug 06 09:06
schestowitzstart with the goal,  assess as you go alongAug 06 09:06
oiaohmReally I have had no problem digging into patents to find physical patents with all the same problems as people complain about with software patents.Aug 06 09:07
oiaohmI don't think software patents really need to be specially singled out other than attempt to limit spread of an already badly broken system.Aug 06 09:07
MinceRindeed, all patents need to be goneAug 06 09:08
oiaohmSmall inventors do need some protection.   Current patent system does not give them that anyhow.Aug 06 09:08
MrGreenFriend2schestowitz, haha, sciGen reminds me of this "Reionize Electrons"  :) 06 09:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | New-Age Bullshit GeneratorAug 06 09:09
oiaohmWith the USA changing to first to file instead of first to invent make it even worse.Aug 06 09:09
oiaohmSo you walk past see a small inventor doing something good file patent and then use patent to shut them down and take their teck because you are Rich is the new USA system.Aug 06 09:10
oiaohmReally don't have a single example of the patent system doing any party other than the governments who are getting paid for patent registrations any good.Aug 06 09:12
oiaohmtrademark courts are not better there are tones of examples where trademarks are used to harm smaller competitors on purpose like the Ugg one. Aug 06 09:14
MrGreenFriend2i have this argument all the time with friends who work in drugs.  they always say, without patents, companies would not spend the BILLIONs to create better drugs 06 09:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Costs to Bring a Drug to Market Remain in Dispute | Managed Care magazineAug 06 09:15
MrGreenFriend2oiaohm, i should login to this chatroom, the next time i get in that arguement with my friend , hahaAug 06 09:16
oiaohmReally how much are they wasting reinventing stuff becuase they cannot license stuff properly.Aug 06 09:18
oiaohmMrGreenFriend2: remember I am not against some form of protection for genuine invention.   But the current patent system is really not it.Aug 06 09:19
oiaohmThe first version did protect inventions and inventors did get paid what was good.Aug 06 09:20
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Today in Techrights []Aug 06 09:20
MrGreenFriend2oiaohm, they have tons of tricks too.  for drugs,  just when a drug is expiring, they show a *new* use for it, thus restarting the patent clock-countdownAug 06 09:20
oiaohmYou are refering to the process of evergreening patents.Aug 06 09:20
MrGreenFriend2oiaohm, thx, i didnt know that termAug 06 09:21
oiaohmMrGreenFriend2:  the term covers many methods.Aug 06 09:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Evergreening - WikipediaAug 06 09:22
oiaohmMrGreenFriend2: yes I am in Australia its illegal for drugs companies to use Evergreening processes in Australia. Aug 06 09:25
oiaohmThis does see some drugs in Australia lot cheaper than other countries.Aug 06 09:25
MrGreenFriend2LOL, wikipedia has a page for the nicknames of mixed-drugs, i didn't know there wer so many! 06 09:31
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Poly drug use - WikipediaAug 06 09:31
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MrGreenFriend2haha, your GreenPeace mock-up is funnyAug 06 10:25
schestowitz[09:55] <MrGreen> Damn, you know everything! : ) Is there proof about MSFT & WannaCry?Aug 06 10:37
schestowitz[09:56] <schestowitz> 'Aug 06 10:37
schestowitz[09:56] <schestowitz> Aug 06 10:37
schestowitz[09:57] <MrGreen> wow.. Aug 06 10:37
schestowitz[09:57] <schestowitz> but that's another upcoming series for our siteAug 06 10:38
schestowitz[09:57] <schestowitz> my sources in hospitals are still afraid they can be identified if I don't work further on the textAug 06 10:38
schestowitz[09:57] <MrGreen> Your awesome Schestowitz! : ) Aug 06 10:38
schestowitz[09:58] <schestowitz> you did much more than meAug 06 10:38
schestowitz[09:58] <schestowitz> I'm a software pundit, I don't save the planet from waste other than my ownAug 06 10:38
schestowitz[09:58] <MrGreen> NO.. YOU ARE THE REAL HERO! : ) Aug 06 10:38
schestowitz[09:59] <MrGreen> I gotta jet buddy.. To be continued.. Aug 06 10:38
schestowitz[10:00] <schestowitz> coolAug 06 10:38
schestowitzMrGreenFriend2: coolAug 06 10:38
schestowitzglad you liked itAug 06 10:38
schestowitzthought of making it while we had breakfast an hour ago at the back yard (it'll rain soon, took advantage of the sunshine while it lasted)Aug 06 10:38
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schestowitzMrGreenFriend2: get ready for part 8Aug 06 10:38
schestowitzalmost done nowAug 06 10:38
schestowitzabout EricAug 06 10:38
schestowitzMrGreenFriend2: tell him I need some photos and legal docs soonAug 06 10:39
schestowitzto carry on producing more partsAug 06 10:39
schestowitz 06 10:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Follow-up Interview with E-Waste Recycler Eric Lundgren - SoylentNewsAug 06 10:40
schestowitzNo good deed shall go unpunished, especially if it hurts profit.Aug 06 10:41
schestowitzThis world be damned, we'll pollute it if there's a coin to be made outta this.Aug 06 10:41
schestowitzQUOTEAug 06 10:41
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oiaohmI wish I could look at the disc he had made and say it was not on the wrong side of the trademark laws over counterfeit or at least he had documentation that he did not order them looking that way..Aug 06 10:43
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schestowitzMrGreenFriend2: 06 10:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Innocence Is Irrelevant in the Age of the Plea Bargain - The AtlanticAug 06 10:47
schestowitzadding thisAug 06 10:47
schestowitzMrGreenFriend2: as long as he does not ship the docs/photos over hotmail or outlook, I think we're OKAug 06 10:47
schestowitzwe don't want to risk giving Microsoft advance notice of what gets divulgedAug 06 10:48
schestowitzthey're likely watching this closelyAug 06 10:48
MrGreenFriend2schestowitz, i gave him your keybase info, before.  i think he is just busy with other things, for a few daysAug 06 10:53
MrGreenFriend2schestowitz, i skimmed that Atlantic article; it's good.  the drug laws are so bad in the USAAug 06 10:54
schestowitzit's not even just about drugsAug 06 10:55
schestowitzI cropped some more relevant partsAug 06 10:55
schestowitzlike the stats and abuse of the lawAug 06 10:55
schestowitzwill be ready shortlyAug 06 10:55
schestowitzproofreading in a moment, then you can double-check to weed out typosAug 06 10:56
schestowitzI expanded the headline a bitAug 06 10:56
schestowitzThe Eric Lundgren Case and Similar High-Profile 'Bargains' (Aaron Swartz and Marcus Hutchins)Aug 06 10:56
schestowitzotherwise it lacked contextAug 06 10:56
MrGreenFriend2schestowitz, yeh, the plea-bargaining system is a tough problem.  i think a big step forward would be the right to a trial-by-jury... Ya know, something like this:  "In suits at common law, where the value in controversy shall exceed $20, the right of trial by jury shall be preserved, and no fact tried by a jury, shall be otherwise reexamined in any court of the United States, than according to the rules of the common law."Aug 06 10:57
schestowitzjust give me 5-10 minsAug 06 10:58
MrGreenFriend2schestowitz, oh what a coincidence, that happens to already be in the Constitution:  :)  7th AmendmentAug 06 10:58
schestowitzthen you can help me spot any mistakesAug 06 10:58
schestowitzI know the critics will cherry-pick anything they can, sooooAug 06 10:58
oiaohmMrGreenFriend2: particular courts plea bargain is not worth much.  Trademark courts what ever the plea is has to go before the judge and the judge is free to change it and prosecutor is required to explain what the item was part of.Aug 06 10:59
oiaohmSo the disc being linked to license was kind of the way the trademark court was always going to play out.Aug 06 10:59
oiaohmThis is why I say it good that dell did not do the enforcement.Aug 06 11:00
MrGreenFriend2schestowitz,  for headline, i would (to make it more clear):   s/Bargains/Plea-BargainsAug 06 11:00
schestowitzwill doAug 06 11:00
schestowitzbut I keep the scare quotesAug 06 11:01
schestowitzas it's a misnomerAug 06 11:01
oiaohmMrGreenFriend2: dell would have been required to say the disc was linked to computer.Aug 06 11:01
schestowitzlike evergreeningAug 06 11:01
schestowitzwhich makes killer sound "green"|Aug 06 11:01
schestowitzThe Eric Lundgren Case and Similar High-Profile Plea ‘Bargains’ (Aaron Swartz and Marcus Hutchins)Aug 06 11:01
MrGreenFriend2schestowitz,  i get you 'sarcasm' that it is *not* actually a bargain... :)   but i think that sarcasm will go over many people's headsAug 06 11:02
schestowitzSummary: Unjust and at times fatal plea ‘bargain’ tricks are being leveraged against people who fight ‘the system’; Eric Lundgren has come to realise he’s one of these peopleAug 06 11:03
schestowitzHutchins will be walking around for the rest of his (long to go!) life with a "felony" crest/emblem/badge/mark/stamp/livery. It's a stain. It'll <em>never</em> go away. It's hard to find employment as in some cases it is not <em>legal</em> to hire people with a conviction/criminal record/felony. He's on the record as admitting guilt only after he had been blackmailed into it with the plea 'bargain' trick/machinations. We mentioned this many Aug 06 11:06
schestowitztimes in our daily links over the past couple of years.Aug 06 11:06
MrGreenFriend2i kinda wish he would have went to Jury.  All it takes is ONE person (out of 12) with any shred of common-sense, to vote for him. Aug 06 11:07
schestowitzif they don't rig itAug 06 11:07
schestowitznsa at stake hereAug 06 11:07
schestowitz"And “they do this to other people,” I interrupted him to say. “Chelsea Manning is the latest…” (they impose massive daily fines on her and her family for merely refusing to testify against Julian Assange even though she rightly sticks to her Constitutional rights)."Aug 06 11:08
schestowitz"How dare this young British man ‘interfere’ with WannaCry, which was mostly developed by the NSA? Stay out, little fella’! Adults only here!"Aug 06 11:09
schestowitz"WannaCry is an exploit, a back door(ing) facility; it was leaked from the NSA and Microsoft knew about it as it’s telling the NSA about zero-days without even fixing them. WannaCry is an SMB-level exploit. It killed lots of people, shut down hospitals worldwide, and caused billions of dollars in financial damage. And guess who was threatened with life in prison for it… the man who stopped it!"Aug 06 11:10
schestowitzadding facebook meme.......Aug 06 11:14
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: The Eric Lundgren Case and Similar High-Profile Plea 'Bargains' (Aaron Swartz and Marcus Hutchins) []Aug 06 11:17
schestowitzMrGreenFriend2:  please check ^Aug 06 11:17
schestowitzothers also, in this channe;Aug 06 11:17
schestowitzthere are likely typosAug 06 11:17
schestowitzI did it in a hurryAug 06 11:17
MrGreenFriend2s/realise/realize   (or is that how it's spelled in England?)Aug 06 11:22
schestowitzenglandAug 06 11:24
MrGreenFriend2Chelsea Manning should get a Trial by Jury, for contempt of court!Aug 06 11:25
MrGreenFriend2that needs to go to the Supreme CourtAug 06 11:28
MrGreenFriend2same with this guy: he should be entitled by a Trial by Jury, for his Contempt of Court: 06 11:30
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Man jailed indefinitely for refusing to decrypt hard drives loses appeal | Ars TechnicaAug 06 11:30
MrGreenFriend2s/by/toAug 06 11:31
schestowitzThat's expensiveAug 06 11:31
schestowitzSCOTUS etc.Aug 06 11:31
MrGreenFriend2of course, the ACLU/EFF/etc  should find a contempt-of-court case, and Win in SCOTUS, based on the 7th AmendmentAug 06 11:32
MrGreenFriend2also 5th & 14th amendments: 06 11:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Due Process Clause - WikipediaAug 06 11:34
MrGreenFriend2schestowitz,  s/blocked my in Twitter/blocked me in TwitterAug 06 11:39
schestowitz 06 11:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Slander and Libel From Microsoft (Demonising the Victim) : LinuxNewsTodayAug 06 11:46
schestowitzMrGreenFriend2: ahaAug 06 11:46
schestowitzthanks, will correctAug 06 11:46
schestowitzdone, correct, thank youAug 06 11:48
MrGreenFriend2schestowitz, good article.  man, it is so depressing.  but it is the truth.  maybe down the line, make more positive stories:  such as a silver lining to this, how more people are realizing how bad M$ is and switching to GNU/Linux.  and how Juries are getting more educated with www.Fija.orgAug 06 11:49
MrGreenFriend2and his other accomplishments, but he'll tell u about themAug 06 11:50
MrGreenFriend2that is a great Assange vs Zuck meme. i never saw that. thxAug 06 11:55
schestowitzalways good to see for the first timeAug 06 11:55
schestowitzit's from 2010 ishAug 06 11:55
schestowitz#microsoft #windows is on 'borrowed time'Aug 06 11:55
schestowitzNow Microsoft is just buying, bribing and infiltrating everything that's winning. Like a hostile cult. Watch out. #antitrust officials bribed. Aug 06 11:55
schestowitz Aug 06 11:55
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Windows is now officially irrelevant. Here’s why that makes Microsoft happy. | ComputerworldAug 06 11:55
oiaohmschestowitz: yep Microsoft biggest income is coming items based on Linux.Aug 06 12:05
MrGreenFriend2i didnt follow the chelsea manning Contempt case?  but why didn't she just show up for the supoena & plead the 5th amendment?Aug 06 12:05
oiaohmMrGreenFriend2: horrible fact serving in the armed forces takes way you means to use the 5th.Aug 06 12:06
oiaohmMrGreenFriend2: the horrible thing about disobeying lawful instruction.Aug 06 12:06
oiaohmUSA laws and horrible loopholes.Aug 06 12:07
MrGreenFriend2 06 12:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | My Legal Rights as a Subpoenaed WitnessAug 06 12:08
oiaohmMrGreenFriend2: it does not say military court cannot punish you.   The stuff there is as a non mitrary served person.Aug 06 12:09
oiaohmMrGreenFriend2: its rock and had place.   Not attending and not questioned means the military court cannot punish here.  But will have fines from civilan court.Aug 06 12:10
oiaohmhad/hardAug 06 12:10
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MrGreenFriend2oiaohm, thanks for explaining.... even though i hate your answer, ahahaAug 06 12:13
oiaohmMrGreenFriend2: I don't exactly like my answer either.Aug 06 12:19
MrGreenFriend2\(`0´)/Aug 06 12:20
oiaohmAustralian servered offices have the same rights as cilivians with no possiblity for any extra punishments.   USA system with the split between civilian and mil courts is a mess.Aug 06 12:21
oiaohmUSA really does need to have a major legal system clean up.Aug 06 12:22
MrGreenFriend2 06 12:24
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | United States Declaration of Independence - WikipediaAug 06 12:24
oiaohmMrGreenFriend2: This covers when a person can be charged under USA Martial law.   Basically once you join the USA military even if you leave you are subject to Martial law even after your own death.Aug 06 12:37
oiaohm  << opps the link.Aug 06 12:37
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oiaohmMrGreenFriend2: willful disobedience under USA military law can be claiming the 5. Aug 06 12:38
oiaohmMrGreenFriend2: so you have the right in one court but using the right in the civil court means you can be subject to punishment in theMartial law court of the USA system if you ever served.Aug 06 12:39
oiaohmJoin the USA militrary give up sections of your rights for ever.Aug 06 12:40
oiaohmYou don't see that on their recuritment posters.Aug 06 12:40
MrGreenFriend2when is the last time a person was court-Martialed *after* they were discharged?Aug 06 12:41
MrGreenFriend2i never heard of it happening, but i believe u, that it is possibleAug 06 12:42
oiaohmMrGreenFriend2: most well know is Chelsea Manning some of the charges were done after discharged.Aug 06 12:43
MrGreenFriend2oiaohm, LOL, if u showed that paper to a recruiter, they wouldnt even read the first page  ;)Aug 06 12:43
oiaohmSame with charges over miss actions found to happen happened in war zones.Aug 06 12:44
oiaohmReally it stinks that serving country in the USA equals less rights.Aug 06 12:45
MrGreenFriend2oiaohm, for MrGreen's  case/sentencing  would it have been possible to join the military instead of serving jail-time?Aug 06 12:45
oiaohmYou see that offered but you are paying something for good by the join military route in the USA.Aug 06 12:46
MrGreenFriend2what is  "paying something for good"?Aug 06 12:47
oiaohmIt that you are forever under both civilian and military law.Aug 06 12:47
oiaohmThis means in particular cases you can be charged twice and serve time twice.Aug 06 12:48
oiaohmand you also get stuck in the middle when the two laws confit.Aug 06 12:49
oiaohmMrGreenFriend2: you now know why ex military at times in the USA when subpoenaed to civilian court will not attend.   Because they have the same rights in the civil court but using them can have them on the wrong side of the military court.Aug 06 12:52
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MrGreenFriend2oiaohm, thx for explaining.  i need to read something happy, too much depressing news today   ;)Aug 06 13:00
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-TechrightsBot-tr/ | The Eric Lundgren Case and Similar High-Profile Plea 'Bargains' (Aaron Swartz and Marcus Hutchins) : LinuxNewsTodayAug 06 16:31
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psydroidoiaohm, but that story about Windows being irrelevant nowadays is still spinning things positively for Microsoft while heeding the first rule of the Microsoft ClubAug 06 16:52
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oiaohmpsydroid: of course they want to still avoid to talking about why their history main cash cow is is not bring what it use to as well.Aug 06 16:54
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XRevan86MinceR: And grammar is proper, too.Aug 06 19:45
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MrGreenFrienddoiaohm, 06 20:52
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Ugg boots trademark dispute - WikipediaAug 06 20:52
scientesFugg themAug 06 20:56
MinceR:>Aug 06 20:58
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cubexyzregarding slashdot's article on linux and memory... older linux was much better with low memory, even as low as 16 megs in some casesAug 06 23:00
cubexyzopenbsd is still pretty good if you use a simple WM like icewmAug 06 23:01
cubexyzstill run irc on an old Dell with 256 megsAug 06 23:01
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MinceRso, in other words, Linux has jumped the shark? :>Aug 06 23:03
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XRevan86 no need to understand what is being said, just impressive shotsAug 06 23:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Wall | VKAug 06 23:07
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-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Achinsk - WikipediaAug 06 23:08
cubexyzI still use older distros for certain thingsAug 06 23:08
cubexyzif you want to be really hardcore try openbsd and don't run X at allAug 06 23:10
XRevan86The official statement is that no one died.Aug 06 23:10
cubexyzin 1998 I remember a "lot of ram" was 128 megsAug 06 23:14
XRevan86Correction: official statement is that one person diedAug 06 23:16
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