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| scientes | This HP mouse i bought is working decent | Aug 06 00:15 |
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| scientes | but of course microsoft and hp don't make hardware | Aug 06 00:15 |
| scientes | they brand hardware made by foreign-owned factories | Aug 06 00:15 |
| scientes | and before those factories existed microsoft didn't make anything | Aug 06 00:15 |
| MinceR | my roccat and coolermaster mice work fine | Aug 06 00:16 |
| scientes | I had to get a new one cause the cheap on e i had the dpi was too low and causing me hand strain | Aug 06 00:25 |
| scientes | I always turn them up to top speed | Aug 06 00:26 |
| scientes | its only 10000, maybe i should get a something higher | Aug 06 00:26 |
| scientes | like an 18000 | Aug 06 00:26 |
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| MrGreenFriend | here is a good list of mouse sensors https://sensor.fyi/mice/ https://www.reddit.com/r/MouseReview/comments/a0jvc0/3389_vs_3360/ | Aug 06 00:54 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-sensor.fyi | Mouse Guide - Flawless Mice | Aug 06 00:54 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.reddit.com | 3389 vs 3360 : MouseReview | Aug 06 00:55 | |
| MrGreenFriend | https://sensor.fyi/sensors | Aug 06 00:57 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-sensor.fyi | Mouse Guide - Sensors | Aug 06 00:57 | |
| MrGreenFriend | i love the "Razer DeathAdder Elite": (PMW 3390) 16000 CPI, 450 IPS. ~$40. https://camelcamelcamel.com/Razer-DeathAdder-Elite-Gaming-Mouse/product/B01LXC1QL0 | Aug 06 01:12 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Razer DeathAdder Elite Gaming Mouse: 16,000 DPI Optical Sensor - Chroma RGB Lighting - 7 Programmable Buttons - Mechanical Switches - Rubber Side Grips - Matte Black (B01LXC1QL0) | Amazon price tracker / tracking, Amazon price history charts, Amazon price watches, Amazon price drop alerts | camelcamelcamel.com | Aug 06 01:12 | |
| schestowitz | hmmm | Aug 06 01:13 |
| schestowitz | MrGreenFriend: The #techrights series on recycling is having the desired effect; #microsoft is panicking again, flooding the comments, lots of defamatory ad hominem | Aug 06 01:13 |
| schestowitz | MS staff and partners | Aug 06 01:13 |
| schestowitz | the usual smears | Aug 06 01:13 |
| schestowitz | [00:44] <schestowitz> >> I wonder if this one too comes from Microsoft or an agency: | Aug 06 01:14 |
| schestowitz | [00:44] <schestowitz> > Point #2 is their main talking point, used to excuse their position. | Aug 06 01:14 |
| schestowitz | [00:44] <schestowitz> As I said to Rianne earlier, I must remind myself | Aug 06 01:14 |
| schestowitz | [00:44] <schestowitz> 1. not to take this personally. I often do, e.g. when the media slanders Assange | Aug 06 01:14 |
| schestowitz | [00:44] <schestowitz> 2. if it comes to this, it means we're effective. being ignored is worse. | Aug 06 01:14 |
| MrGreenFriend | there are plenty of good mice out there. This Cooler Master is fast & only 52g, PMW 3389, 16000 DPI, 400 IPS. https://amazon.com/Cooler-Master-Lightweight-Honeycomb-Ultralight/dp/B07T4VW9WP | Aug 06 01:15 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.amazon.com | NO TITLE | Aug 06 01:15 | |
| scientes | oh, its only 1000 dpi, but still that is better than what i had | Aug 06 01:15 |
| MrGreenFriend | schestowitz, #microsoft is panicking again" Haha, good job :) | Aug 06 01:17 |
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| schestowitz | MrGreenFriend: I will use that agaibst them | Aug 06 01:19 |
| schestowitz | (later today) | Aug 06 01:19 |
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| MrGreenFriend | schestowitz, if it comes to this, it means we're effective. being ignored is worse." that's right | Aug 06 01:21 |
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| MrGreenFriend | schestowitz, not to take this personally. I often do, e.g. when the media slanders Assange" yeh, it is tough when media slanders Assange. but the truth eventually prevails. "Right side of History" and all that. U can read Assange's writings from ~20 years ago: he has always delivered the same message. | Aug 06 01:27 |
| schestowitz | cheers for that, so you understand... | Aug 06 01:28 |
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| schestowitz | the next part is about Microsoft slander | Aug 06 01:29 |
| schestowitz | So I'll turn these against them | Aug 06 01:29 |
| schestowitz | without quoting or linking their lies | Aug 06 01:29 |
| schestowitz | they mosty do a me too of frank shaw | Aug 06 01:29 |
| schestowitz | notorious Microsoft liar in chief | Aug 06 01:29 |
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| MrGreenFriend | schestowitz, yeh, in hindsight, it would have been safer for Assange to be psuedo-anonymous, vs going public to spread his message further. i wonder how he made that decision? | Aug 06 01:38 |
| schestowitz | happened around a decade back | Aug 06 01:44 |
| schestowitz | when he, with his long hair, started appearing on TV | Aug 06 01:45 |
| schestowitz | prior to that WL was faceless, like Crymptime | Aug 06 01:45 |
| schestowitz | which was likely better | Aug 06 01:45 |
| schestowitz | I say it often: | Aug 06 01:45 |
| schestowitz | don't personify causes | Aug 06 01:45 |
| schestowitz | not even Eric | Aug 06 01:45 |
| schestowitz | it makes it hard to tackle the causes by attacking people | Aug 06 01:46 |
| schestowitz | and their character, attitude, supposed intend | Aug 06 01:46 |
| schestowitz | Al Gore, Greta Thunberg... | Aug 06 01:46 |
| schestowitz | oh cool: https://www.linuxtoday.com/it_management/microsoft-being-microsoft-bullying-everyone-who-reduces-microsofts-profits-190803234522.html | Aug 06 01:49 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.linuxtoday.com | Linux Today - Microsoft Being Microsoft, Bullying Everyone Who Reduces Microsoft's Profits | Aug 06 01:49 | |
| schestowitz | I think it'll spread for a while | Aug 06 01:49 |
| schestowitz | and we've only just started | Aug 06 01:49 |
| schestowitz | MrGreenFriend: at a later point I hope we can present testimonies and court docs | Aug 06 01:50 |
| MrGreenFriend | https://youtube.com/watch?v=pcSlowAhvUk&feature=youtu.be&t=1198 | Aug 06 01:51 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Glenn Greenwald: Why privacy matters - YouTube | Aug 06 01:51 | |
| schestowitz | great talk | Aug 06 01:52 |
| schestowitz | I like him since ages ago | Aug 06 01:52 |
| schestowitz | 2008 ish | Aug 06 01:52 |
| schestowitz | he's a very effective writer on issues like publishing | Aug 06 01:52 |
| schestowitz | Now the fuhrer of Brazil wants him in prison | Aug 06 01:52 |
| schestowitz | So you KNOW he's effective | Aug 06 01:52 |
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| schestowitz | wow, 1320014 hits in techrights in the past 36 hours alone | Aug 06 01:54 |
| schestowitz | the hypervisor (physical server) is screaming | Aug 06 01:55 |
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| MrGreenFriend | 1.3 Million hits in 36 hours? Wow. What is 'average' for 36 hours? | Aug 06 02:01 |
| schestowitz | usually about half that | Aug 06 02:02 |
| MrGreenFriend | schestowitz, why don't u use HTTPS? it's more secure and faster: https://troyhunt.com/i-wanna-go-fast-https-massive-speed-advantage/ | Aug 06 02:04 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.troyhunt.com | Troy Hunt: I wanna go fast: HTTPS' massive speed advantage | Aug 06 02:04 | |
| MrGreenFriend | https://keycdn.com/blog/http-to-https | Aug 06 02:06 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Complete Guide - How to Migrate from HTTP to HTTPS - KeyCDN | Aug 06 02:06 | |
| schestowitz | we're working on this in a VM | Aug 06 02:08 |
| schestowitz | this migration has been difficult for us, for technical reasonsd | Aug 06 02:08 |
| schestowitz | esp. centos | Aug 06 02:08 |
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| schestowitz | MrGreenFriend: | Aug 06 03:03 |
| schestowitz | " | Aug 06 03:03 |
| schestowitz | I might write about it later, but... | Aug 06 03:03 |
| schestowitz | Short story: handlers of #microsoftpeter (child rapist who spread #microsoft lies through ArseTtechnically Pedophile, a #condenast tech tabloid) now defame #ericlundgren | Aug 06 03:03 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft are a dangerous cult | Aug 06 03:03 |
| schestowitz | " | Aug 06 03:03 |
| schestowitz | I am referring to Frank X Shaw et al | Aug 06 03:03 |
| schestowitz | I can provide more background if you missed this scandal | Aug 06 03:03 |
| MrGreenFriend | link? | Aug 06 03:06 |
| schestowitz | which part? | Aug 06 03:20 |
| schestowitz | maybe you mean this: http://techrights.org/2019/06/07/microsoft-peter-is-a-pedophile/ | Aug 06 03:21 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Microsoft Peter is a Pedophile, Arrested Without Bail | Techrights | Aug 06 03:21 | |
| schestowitz | update: http://techrights.org/2019/07/30/microsoft-peter-lives-on/ | Aug 06 03:21 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Even After Microsoft Lost Its PR ‘Asset’ at Ars Technica (Arrested for Sexually Abusing Kids) Ars Technica Persists With Microsoft Advocacy (in ‘News’ Form) | Techrights | Aug 06 03:21 | |
| schestowitz | See image at top. Shaw was 'managing' him | Aug 06 03:21 |
| schestowitz | Mary Jo Foley once explained to me how they had managed them | Aug 06 03:21 |
| schestowitz | with "buddies" | Aug 06 03:21 |
| schestowitz | The Verge helped defame Eric too | Aug 06 03:21 |
| schestowitz | The Verge was edited by Bill Gates at one point, they're close | Aug 06 03:22 |
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| schestowitz | [00:16] <MrGreenFriend> DaemonFC[m], MinceR, a bigger problem with Samsung phones is the locked-bootloader, in USA. (other countries' variants allow unlocking-bootloader, available on Ebay) The eternal debate is: Who to blame: USA Carriers or Samsung? i would say Samsung, b/c even if you buy a carrier-unlocked phone outright(i.e. pay the full $1000 up front at Best Buy/Frys/Microcenter)--- it is still Locked-Bootloader | Aug 06 06:20 |
| schestowitz | bloody ripoff | Aug 06 06:20 |
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| schestowitz | [10:03] <MrGreen> I know.. I'm not afraid of them and nor are you. I already took their punches and coming back more focused. | Aug 06 06:29 |
| schestowitz | [10:04] <schestowitz> they slandered me also, but there's a limit to how much they can do this without getting caught as it then backfires | Aug 06 06:29 |
| schestowitz | [10:05] <MrGreen> Yup.. Question.. | Aug 06 06:29 |
| schestowitz | [10:07] <MrGreen> MSFT has printed & said that my software "caused Bloatware & Virus" on consumers computer - yet it was 100% THEIR SOFTWARE! It was an exact mirror duplicate of the freeware Restore CD Given away.. | Aug 06 06:30 |
| schestowitz | [10:08] <MrGreen> How do you address #Slander & #Libel from MSFT like this? | Aug 06 06:30 |
| schestowitz | [10:08] <schestowitz> you cannot, it doesn't scale | Aug 06 06:30 |
| schestowitz | [10:08] <MrGreen> They said in court & in the media | Aug 06 06:30 |
| schestowitz | [10:08] <schestowitz> this is why they do it | Aug 06 06:30 |
| schestowitz | [10:08] <schestowitz> wikileaks said the same | Aug 06 06:30 |
| schestowitz | [10:09] <schestowitz> they slander assange several times per day | Aug 06 06:30 |
| schestowitz | [10:09] <schestowitz> when he sues even once, over one article, it can take years in court, legal budget sky-high | Aug 06 06:30 |
| schestowitz | [10:09] <schestowitz> I was friends with Assange until his arrest and disconnection | Aug 06 06:30 |
| schestowitz | [10:10] <MrGreen> They said I was defrauding the cause I claimed to support. - How can they get away with saying this stuff?!?!?! | Aug 06 06:30 |
| schestowitz | [10:10] <schestowitz> Wikileaks wrote about how the rich can get away with any lie given existing slapp and libel laws | Aug 06 06:30 |
| schestowitz | [10:10] <schestowitz> so you cannot sue them, but you should rebut | Aug 06 06:30 |
| schestowitz | [10:10] <schestowitz> again and again, make them run out of "black PR" money | Aug 06 06:30 |
| schestowitz | [10:11] <MrGreen> Rebut? | Aug 06 06:30 |
| schestowitz | [10:11] <schestowitz> you present the counter argument (to the above) and hope more people see the rebuttal than the lie | Aug 06 06:30 |
| schestowitz | [10:11] <MrGreen> Yes, That is what I did.. | Aug 06 06:30 |
| schestowitz | [10:11] <schestowitz> they have the money | Aug 06 06:30 |
| schestowitz | [10:11] <schestowitz> but you have a better story to tell | Aug 06 06:30 |
| schestowitz | [10:11] <schestowitz> and money cannot always beat facts | Aug 06 06:30 |
| schestowitz | [10:11] <MrGreen> It wasn't hard to win the PR War in my case as it was so obviously fucked-up. | Aug 06 06:30 |
| schestowitz | [10:12] <schestowitz> make sure they didn't "Shelves" it | Aug 06 06:30 |
| schestowitz | [10:12] <schestowitz> "shelve" | Aug 06 06:30 |
| schestowitz | [10:12] <schestowitz> bring the docs back out and show what they did. Again. | Aug 06 06:30 |
| schestowitz | [10:12] <MrGreen> I will keep at it.. There is a "Chapter 2" and "Chapter 3" in the works now. | Aug 06 06:30 |
| schestowitz | [10:13] <schestowitz> cool | Aug 06 06:30 |
| schestowitz | [10:14] <MrGreen> More humanitarian work, More world-records, More National Recycling Programs.. It's best to let your work speak for itself. | Aug 06 06:30 |
| schestowitz | [10:16] <MrGreen> It's not me.. It's my company. They are doing some really BIG things that I can't wait to share! : ) | Aug 06 06:30 |
| schestowitz | [10:16] <MrGreen> Shit - it | Aug 06 06:30 |
| schestowitz | [10:17] <MrGreen> shit - it's 2:15 - I have to be on a plane in 5 hours! Goodnight Schestowitz! : ) | Aug 06 06:30 |
| schestowitz | [10:17] <schestowitz> I just write things, but like I said, phtoos approved for use and court docs can help | Aug 06 06:30 |
| schestowitz | [10:17] <MrGreen> I'll send you both. | Aug 06 06:30 |
| schestowitz | [10:17] <schestowitz> I will do another piece about your case this weekend | Aug 06 06:30 |
| schestowitz | [10:17] <schestowitz> g'night | Aug 06 06:30 |
| schestowitz | [10:17] <MrGreen> ok g'night | Aug 06 06:30 |
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| schestowitz | MrGreenFriend: maybe you can add urls/refs for this... | Aug 06 06:42 |
| schestowitz | I am workng on the next part | Aug 06 06:42 |
| schestowitz | haveb't even gotten to photos and court docs yet | Aug 06 06:42 |
| schestowitz | that too will come | Aug 06 06:42 |
| schestowitz | and telling the story of his work, his company... | Aug 06 06:43 |
| schestowitz | we'll hand Microsoft's band end... back to them | Aug 06 06:43 |
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| schestowitz | as they know this case is a mess | Aug 06 06:43 |
| schestowitz | all they do not is demonise Eric | Aug 06 06:43 |
| schestowitz | and we can rebut that | Aug 06 06:43 |
| schestowitz | takes effort, but doable | Aug 06 06:43 |
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| schestowitz | Mr. Green have lots of Friends, they even share an IP address ;-) | Aug 06 06:45 |
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| MrGreenFriend2 | hey, sorry, i have shoddy internet connection here. | Aug 06 06:46 |
| MrGreenFriend2 | schestowitz, wow, a lot to read about that. The evidence looks pretty damning-- but even for crimes as serious as that, it is important to have a trial by jury. https://www.docdroid.net/UMNWMSx/bright.pdf | Aug 06 06:46 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.docdroid.net | bright.pdf | DocDroid | Aug 06 06:46 | |
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| schestowitz | If they did not FABRICATE what he had said, then he already confessed to fucking kids | Aug 06 06:48 |
| schestowitz | he cannot spin that as "teaching" them to "take videos" | Aug 06 06:48 |
| schestowitz | And he used Facebook WhatsApp | Aug 06 06:48 |
| schestowitz | When you lick the Microsoft boot you might actually thing that crap is safe | Aug 06 06:48 |
| MrGreenFriend2 | schestowitz, i agree, he probly is a bad guy, i doubt he was coerced into confession. My point is: hopefully this is not used as a way to take away freedom of speech (i.e. encryption) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four_Horsemen_of_the_Infocalypse | Aug 06 06:52 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Four Horsemen of the Infocalypse - Wikipedia | Aug 06 06:52 | |
| MrGreenFriend2 | “There is a First Amendment right to speak in an encrypted way… The right to speak P.G.P. is like the right to speak Navajo. The Government has no particular right to prevent you from speaking in a technical manner even if it is inconvenient for them to understand.” ~ Eben Moglen Professor of Law Columbia University, New York Times, 21 September 1993 | Aug 06 06:53 |
| MrGreenFriend2 | https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13919115 | Aug 06 06:55 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.ycombinator.com | Man jailed indefinitely for refusing to decrypt hard drives loses appeal | Hacker News | Aug 06 06:55 | |
| schestowitz | my next article will quote you btw | Aug 06 06:56 |
| schestowitz | not actual 'realname' unless you want me to | Aug 06 06:56 |
| schestowitz | that would expose you to defamation too | Aug 06 06:56 |
| schestowitz | "--A friend of Lundgren" | Aug 06 06:57 |
| MrGreenFriend2 | what quote? | Aug 06 06:57 |
| schestowitz | some irc stuff | Aug 06 06:57 |
| schestowitz | tidied up | Aug 06 06:57 |
| schestowitz | MrGreenFriend2: no encryption taken away in Bright's case | Aug 06 06:57 |
| schestowitz | quick recap from memory | Aug 06 06:58 |
| schestowitz | they posted the sting/bait in a pervy site | Aug 06 06:58 |
| schestowitz | he took the bait | Aug 06 06:58 |
| schestowitz | asked to take the discussion to WhatsApp | Aug 06 06:58 |
| schestowitz | With FBI agent | Aug 06 06:58 |
| schestowitz | then said he had done something similar in Brooklyn | Aug 06 06:58 |
| schestowitz | and used colourful code words for anal sex, vagina etc. | Aug 06 06:58 |
| schestowitz | "tips of penis", "foreskin" | Aug 06 06:59 |
| schestowitz | maybe too colourful for actual child abuse victims | Aug 06 06:59 |
| schestowitz | haha... here's my humour added | Aug 06 06:59 |
| schestowitz | now he can explain that foreskin is "code word" for camera cover | Aug 06 06:59 |
| schestowitz | penis is camera etc. | Aug 06 07:00 |
| schestowitz | Coding in reverse | Aug 06 07:00 |
| schestowitz | "No, seriously! I always speak of video-taking lessons in sexual terms! Very normal!" | Aug 06 07:00 |
| MrGreenFriend2 | schestowitz, i know, i meant using his case as *excuse* to pass new law (or 'reinterpret' old law): outlawing encryption | Aug 06 07:00 |
| schestowitz | he didn't rely on it | Aug 06 07:00 |
| schestowitz | the other end in e2e here was an FBI agent | Aug 06 07:01 |
| schestowitz | so even if the crypto was 100% perfect, he spoke to the wrong person | Aug 06 07:01 |
| schestowitz | like Lamo and Chelsea Manning | Aug 06 07:01 |
| schestowitz | (whom I think used IRC) | Aug 06 07:01 |
| schestowitz | Lamo, now dead, pretended he was like a pastor to confess to or a journo | Aug 06 07:02 |
| schestowitz | he was an FBI 'rat' | Aug 06 07:02 |
| schestowitz | OK... first draft on Eric Lundgren now done | Aug 06 07:03 |
| schestowitz | need to proofread it | Aug 06 07:03 |
| MrGreenFriend2 | yeh, in this case, it seems pretty damning... But still, it is important, that innocent people arent 'framed' by these similar kind of tactics. e.g. a new type of ransomware-virus that starts a conversation like this, from your own computer. | Aug 06 07:03 |
| schestowitz | maybe you too can spot typos after I publish it (in a few minutes) | Aug 06 07:03 |
| schestowitz | or to iron our any remaining inaccuracies | Aug 06 07:03 |
| schestowitz | MrGreenFriend2: if FBI isn't making stuff up (which sometimes it does sadly), it was him taking the bait | Aug 06 07:04 |
| schestowitz | kinkd ad | Aug 06 07:04 |
| schestowitz | so he self-selected himself as target | Aug 06 07:04 |
| MrGreenFriend2 | schestowitz, yes, he probly is guilty, and i trust your judgment--- i just fear that viruses are gonna get a hell of a lot worse in the future. How hard would it be to write a virus like that sends messages like that? pretty easy | Aug 06 07:09 |
| MrGreenFriend2 | did u see the Black Mirror episode on Ransomware? | Aug 06 07:10 |
| MrGreenFriend2 | Black Mirror S03E03 "Shut Up & Dance". Really messed up, and all possible with today's tech. i can send it to u right now, if u want? | Aug 06 07:12 |
| schestowitz | I don't even know that show | Aug 06 07:12 |
| schestowitz | MrGreenFriend2: this isn't his legal defense | Aug 06 07:13 |
| schestowitz | he doesn't claim not to have sent these messages afaik | Aug 06 07:13 |
| schestowitz | But I see your point | Aug 06 07:13 |
| schestowitz | I worry more about what some people claim to have been victim of -- people sending them kiddie p0rn by email using remailers | Aug 06 07:14 |
| schestowitz | and then they 'posses' it, by merely connecting to pop3/imap | Aug 06 07:14 |
| schestowitz | apparently gab had kiddie porn uploaded to it as well | Aug 06 07:14 |
| MrGreenFriend2 | oh, man, don't watch any previews/spoilers! it will spoil it. anyway, it is a really messed up show about dystopian-near future. All about technology, that is possible or close-to-possible. Haha, maybe it is better that you don't watch it, it is SUPER depressing show. | Aug 06 07:14 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/15617348 | Aug 06 07:16 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Well done, #Cloudflare And thank you Thank you for proving me right You're a #surveillance and #censorship company You start with nazis and you move on closer from that edge | Aug 06 07:16 | |
| MrGreenFriend2 | schestowitz, yes exactly--- kiddie porn is now weaponized. And judges/juries are too stupid to understand remailers/spoofing/viruses/etc | Aug 06 07:16 |
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| schestowitz | MrGreenFriendd: read ^^ quickly | Aug 06 07:40 |
| schestowitz | if you want to amend | Aug 06 07:40 |
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| MrGreenFriend2 | Even worse, for WhatsApp, there are tons of 'unofficial' versions. Who knows what these programs are doing... These 'unofficial' versions are easier to make, than a Virus for WhatsApp. https://www.digitbin.com/whatsapp-mod/ | Aug 06 08:09 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.digitbin.com | 15 Best WhatsApp Mod Apps for Android (Updated August 2019) | Aug 06 08:09 | |
| MrGreenFriend2 | schestowitz, yeh, those quotes are fine, u didn't use my name :) I don't want to be famous like MrGreen. I'm just here to help out, haha | Aug 06 08:12 |
| MrGreenFriend2 | schestowitz, some feedback: "It would be wrong to put Microsoft/Windows logos on these because there’s more to them than Windows." - i'm not sure that it is "wrong"... i think it is simply Dell's decision to leave the M$ Logo off of it. | Aug 06 08:15 |
| oiaohm | MrGreenFriend2: The Microsoft and Windows writting on that disc Microsoft registered with trademark office as logo. When you are a Microsoft partner you can do training on how you make those discs labels. | Aug 06 08:17 |
| oiaohm | MrGreenFriend2: part of that training tells you that you have to put your companies primary logo on the disc and microsoft sub logos. | Aug 06 08:17 |
| oiaohm | MrGreenFriend2: and you cannot put Microsoft primany logo on it. | Aug 06 08:17 |
| oiaohm | This is for malware infection tracking. | Aug 06 08:17 |
| oiaohm | Yes you are also require to put a version number on it somewhere. | Aug 06 08:18 |
| oiaohm | That is basically a batch number. | Aug 06 08:18 |
| MinceR | makes sense that you put the malware developer's logo on the malware install media | Aug 06 08:19 |
| schestowitz | lol | Aug 06 08:19 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: exactly. | Aug 06 08:19 |
| oiaohm | Now someone attempting to copy discs their process could be infected. | Aug 06 08:19 |
| oiaohm | So it very important that you are putting you name and version on any copy you make from a security point of view. | Aug 06 08:20 |
| MinceR | that's great because whoever wanted that malware gets bonus malware | Aug 06 08:20 |
| oiaohm | There are reasons why the OEM made Microsoft discs are labeled the way the are and why Microsoft or one of the OEM will eforce by some means that you cannot just straight up 100 percent clone. | Aug 06 08:21 |
| MinceR | sure you can, it's just that they can sue you for it if they can find you | Aug 06 08:22 |
| MinceR | does microsoft believe that other malware distributors obey trademark law? :> | Aug 06 08:22 |
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| oiaohm | Microsoft knows they don't and it one of the systems Microsoft uses to shut some of infection paths down. | Aug 06 08:23 |
| MrGreenFriend2 | schestowitz, hmmm, this would need fact-checking: "IMAGED"... i haven't used a Dell Restore CD in a while,either ;) (and maybe i'm wrong) IIRC they do get 'installed'. not just 'imaged' à la "dd/ddrescue/clonezilla" | Aug 06 08:23 |
| oiaohm | Microsoft has used trademark law to take down command and control servers of bot nets as well MinceR | Aug 06 08:24 |
| MinceR | someone needs to take down theirs as well | Aug 06 08:24 |
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| oiaohm | MrGreenFriend2: depends on the Dell Restore CD. Some are windows installer disc with extra software. | Aug 06 08:25 |
| MinceR | extra malware from dHell | Aug 06 08:25 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: yep the malware that is in fact paying for the Windows license so dell does not have ot. | Aug 06 08:26 |
| oiaohm | ot/to | Aug 06 08:26 |
| MrGreenFriend2 | oiaohm, okay... i have a secret "Surprise Patent" on the name 'oiaohm', but i'm not gonna show it to you.... i'm just gonna sue your pants off ;) | Aug 06 08:26 |
| MinceR | :> | Aug 06 08:27 |
| oiaohm | MrGreenFriend2: that is how patent cases go. | Aug 06 08:27 |
| oiaohm | MrGreenFriend2: only once you go to court do they in fact have to show you with patents what one they are asking you to pay license on. | Aug 06 08:28 |
| schestowitz | surprise trademark rather | Aug 06 08:28 |
| schestowitz | looks like ordinary font | Aug 06 08:28 |
| schestowitz | with glorified (R) -) | Aug 06 08:28 |
| oiaohm | Yep. | Aug 06 08:28 |
| oiaohm | And due to R being there you cannot claim that you were not warned that it was registered. | Aug 06 08:29 |
| oiaohm | Or could be registered. | Aug 06 08:29 |
| MrGreenFriend2 | oiaohm, they DIDN'T show the "Surprise Patent" in court, AFAIK. | Aug 06 08:29 |
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| oiaohm | MrGreenFriend2: remember what I said they don't have to until a party challanges. | Aug 06 08:30 |
| oiaohm | MrGreenFriend2: this case Microsoft involvement was not challanged. | Aug 06 08:30 |
| oiaohm | So they were not required to use the logos on the disc to prove that they were effected party. | Aug 06 08:30 |
| oiaohm | Lot of ways it was good that Microsoft pushed this not dell. | Aug 06 08:31 |
| oiaohm | With the prior precendant if dell had pushed it he could have be up for the total costs of thoses machines new. | Aug 06 08:31 |
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| oiaohm | The prior precendants around counterfiet totally sux. | Aug 06 08:32 |
| oiaohm | Patent and copyright courts are somewhat fair to the loser. Counterfiet court rulings are totally unfair. | Aug 06 08:33 |
| oiaohm | Using counterfiet laws is like attempting to use a sledge hammer to put in a small nail in a picture frame in this case. | Aug 06 08:34 |
| MrGreenFriend2 | BTW, 'ddrescue' is an amazing program! https://www.data-medics.com/forum/how-to-clone-a-hard-drive-with-bad-sectors-using-ddrescue-t133.html | Aug 06 08:37 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.data-medics.com | How to Clone a Hard Drive With Bad Sectors Using ddrescue - Data Recovery Forum Home | Aug 06 08:37 | |
| oiaohm | MrGreenFriend2: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-australia-41464142 Trademark/counterfiet laws get totally evil. Like here company who had been making ugg boots years before the company trademarks ugg and magically their products were now counteriet. | Aug 06 08:37 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Ugg: The battle over an iconic Australian boot - BBC News | Aug 06 08:37 | |
| MinceR | ah yes, the boots that make you say their name when you look at them | Aug 06 08:38 |
| MinceR | "Ugg!" | Aug 06 08:38 |
| oiaohm | You do not want to be in a Trademark court with any chance of losing. | Aug 06 08:39 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: yes the way you typed that the company trademarked that as well. | Aug 06 08:39 |
| MinceR | also, what a surprise, the state fucked something up yet again | Aug 06 08:39 |
| oiaohm | Trademark law lacking prior art test is a very big problem. | Aug 06 08:40 |
| MinceR | it's not like they use that test in patent law either | Aug 06 08:40 |
| oiaohm | Prior art is in the patent law if you go to court. | Aug 06 08:40 |
| MinceR | if they did, many of micro$oft's and crApple's criminal schemes would have been thrown out of court | Aug 06 08:41 |
| MinceR | like VFAT and rounded slab-like devices | Aug 06 08:41 |
| oiaohm | Of course those with patents attempt to get you to agree to pay without going to court and having to prove their patents are valid. | Aug 06 08:41 |
| oiaohm | Heck they attempt to get you to pay for a patent pool so they don't even have to tell you the exact patents you are paying for so you cannot work around the patents. | Aug 06 08:42 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: Really we need patent validity made a legal requirement before you can in fact charge money for it. What I hate about patent contracts is the fact if they turn out that they had no valid patents there is no requirement to refund. | Aug 06 08:44 |
| oiaohm | Or scrap the complete patent system. | Aug 06 08:44 |
| MinceR | "In the US it is seen as classy, just a little bit different, and a little edgy." | Aug 06 08:45 |
| oiaohm | Trademark law need some extra sanity. | Aug 06 08:45 |
| MinceR | usians have no taste, episode 9001 | Aug 06 08:45 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: no, we need the patent system gone | Aug 06 08:45 |
| MinceR | and the rest of imaginary property | Aug 06 08:46 |
| MinceR | and preferably the rest of the state | Aug 06 08:46 |
| MinceR | afaict the state isn't working correctly anywhere on earth | Aug 06 08:46 |
| MinceR | definitely not in the EU or the US or russia or china | Aug 06 08:46 |
| oiaohm | The orginal patent system 1 you had to demo your physical thing. 2 you got protection and 3 you had to state your license fee for the patent on the patent application. | Aug 06 08:46 |
| oiaohm | So a person could pick up patent and make product and know how much they had to pay you. | Aug 06 08:47 |
| oiaohm | The orginal patent system did help out inventors. | Aug 06 08:47 |
| oiaohm | Over time the patent system has gone totally messed up. | Aug 06 08:48 |
| MrGreenFriend2 | oiaohm, when u pay for a 'patent pool', u don't know which 'patents' are in the 'pool'? LOLWTFFFFF | Aug 06 08:48 |
| oiaohm | MrGreenFriend2:https://www.mpegla.com/ << yep patent pools like this one you join and they will never show you the patent list. | Aug 06 08:49 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.mpegla.com | Licenses for Standards and Other Technology Platforms | MPEG LA | Aug 06 08:49 | |
| MinceR | well, at least you aren't told which they thought applied | Aug 06 08:49 |
| MrGreenFriend2 | oiaohm, thx for that Ugg story, ridiculous... but i would hope a Jury would overturn that | Aug 06 08:49 |
| MinceR | you shouldn't trust juries either | Aug 06 08:49 |
| oiaohm | MrGreenFriend2: that the thing when you are in trademark court you are in the world of ridiculous. | Aug 06 08:49 |
| MinceR | it was a jury that decided that crApple had an exclusive right to the rounded rectangle | Aug 06 08:49 |
| MinceR | you shouldn't trust humans to do anything except exterminate themselves, which is already happening | Aug 06 08:50 |
| oiaohm | MrGreenFriend2: where a 15 cent part can see you pay 200 dollars + because it part of a pair of jeans. Or like this disc and the full windows license. | Aug 06 08:50 |
| oiaohm | MrGreenFriend2: sorry I wrote that wrong when you have groups like mpegla make patent pools when you join this patent pools they never show you the patent list you have to take it on blind faith they have something or risk going to court and finding out that way. | Aug 06 08:52 |
| oiaohm | MrGreenFriend2: I wish it was LOLWTFFF on the way these patent pools work. But its the real world. | Aug 06 08:52 |
| MrGreenFriend2 | http://en.swpat.org | Aug 06 08:52 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.swpat.org - The Software Patents Wiki | Aug 06 08:53 | |
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| oiaohm | MrGreenFriend2: issue with the patent system don't only stop at software patents. | Aug 06 08:57 |
| MrGreenFriend2 | MinceR, https://FIJA.org | Aug 06 08:57 |
| oiaohm | I really do hate that licensing patents does not require you to state legally want patents are being licensed. | Aug 06 08:57 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-FIJA.org | Fully Informed Jury Association : Home | Aug 06 08:57 | |
| schestowitz | sstraw man, oiaohm | Aug 06 08:57 |
| schestowitz | who said it was? | Aug 06 08:57 |
| MrGreenFriend2 | MinceR, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fully_Informed_Jury_Association | Aug 06 08:58 |
| schestowitz | [08:57] <oiaohm> MrGreenFriend2: issue with the patent system don't only stop at software patents. | Aug 06 08:58 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Fully Informed Jury Association - Wikipedia | Aug 06 08:58 | |
| schestowitz | issue with cars don't stop at back doors | Aug 06 08:58 |
| MinceR | also, in that case, the jury violated the rules they were given by the state and the judge | Aug 06 08:58 |
| MinceR | they were told how to do their job and they failed to do it the right way | Aug 06 08:58 |
| oiaohm | schestowitz: Lot of the software patent problems. Apply to the physical patents or patents pretending to be physical patents as well. | Aug 06 08:59 |
| oiaohm | schestowitz: like not having to prove that its truly a new invention before getting patent. | Aug 06 08:59 |
| MinceR | (but it's ok, but the USA, like many other states, has no rule of law) | Aug 06 09:01 |
| oiaohm | http://en.swpat.org/wiki/Protecting_small_inventors_myth << like this myth that is used about software patents equally applies to physical patents. All 4 myths the software patent site mentions applies to patents in general. | Aug 06 09:01 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Protecting small inventors myth - software patents wiki (en.swpat.org) | Aug 06 09:01 | |
| MinceR | s/but t/because t/ | Aug 06 09:01 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: does the issue of patenting vague ideas also apply to patents in general already? | Aug 06 09:02 |
| MrGreenFriend2 | MinceR, i didn't follow that rounded rectangle case closely, but Jurors are supposed to vote their conscience AKA use common-sense | Aug 06 09:02 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn965-wheel-patented-in-australia/ << Yes. | Aug 06 09:03 |
| MinceR | MrGreenFriend2: ah, so they're expected to be superhuman | Aug 06 09:03 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.newscientist.com | Wheel patented in Australia | New Scientist | Aug 06 09:03 | |
| MinceR | just like the rest of the state | Aug 06 09:03 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: lol | Aug 06 09:03 |
| schestowitz | maybe it's inventive in Aussia | Aug 06 09:03 |
| schestowitz | until aboriginals dispute with prior art | Aug 06 09:03 |
| oiaohm | schestowitz: people have done that in every patent system around the world of patenting the wheel. | Aug 06 09:03 |
| schestowitz | cool | Aug 06 09:03 |
| schestowitz | good troll | Aug 06 09:03 |
| oiaohm | To prove their patent system is broken. | Aug 06 09:04 |
| MrGreenFriend2 | oiaohm, http://www.betaboston.com/news/2014/07/09/re-inventing-the-wheel-why-not-many-do/ | Aug 06 09:04 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.betaboston.com | Re-inventing the wheel: Why not? Many do. - Re-inventing the wheel: Why not? Many do. | Aug 06 09:04 | |
| oiaohm | So the idea that physical patents don't have vague ideal problem is wrong. | Aug 06 09:04 |
| schestowitz | posted just 2 days ago: http://techrights.org/2019/08/03/so-called-production/ | Aug 06 09:04 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Patent Trolls’ Paradise: The EPO is a Rubber-Stamping Machine, So Why Not Automatically Generate Patent Applications? | Techrights | Aug 06 09:04 | |
| oiaohm | The complete patent system has a vague idea problem. | Aug 06 09:04 |
| schestowitz | trolling the EPO, sciGen style | Aug 06 09:04 |
| schestowitz | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SCIgen#In_conferences | Aug 06 09:05 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | SCIgen - Wikipedia | Aug 06 09:05 | |
| oiaohm | I don't see software patents are really that much of a special case. The complete patent system needs a fix. | Aug 06 09:05 |
| MinceR | elimination | Aug 06 09:05 |
| oiaohm | Or possible scrap it and start over with something that does protect small inventors like go back to the orginal. | Aug 06 09:06 |
| schestowitz | yeah | Aug 06 09:06 |
| schestowitz | that's what I keep saying | Aug 06 09:06 |
| schestowitz | start with the goal, assess as you go along | Aug 06 09:06 |
| oiaohm | Really I have had no problem digging into patents to find physical patents with all the same problems as people complain about with software patents. | Aug 06 09:07 |
| oiaohm | I don't think software patents really need to be specially singled out other than attempt to limit spread of an already badly broken system. | Aug 06 09:07 |
| MinceR | indeed, all patents need to be gone | Aug 06 09:08 |
| oiaohm | Small inventors do need some protection. Current patent system does not give them that anyhow. | Aug 06 09:08 |
| MrGreenFriend2 | schestowitz, haha, sciGen reminds me of this "Reionize Electrons" :) https://sebpearce.com/bullshit/ | Aug 06 09:09 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-sebpearce.com | New-Age Bullshit Generator | Aug 06 09:09 | |
| oiaohm | With the USA changing to first to file instead of first to invent make it even worse. | Aug 06 09:09 |
| oiaohm | So you walk past see a small inventor doing something good file patent and then use patent to shut them down and take their teck because you are Rich is the new USA system. | Aug 06 09:10 |
| oiaohm | Really don't have a single example of the patent system doing any party other than the governments who are getting paid for patent registrations any good. | Aug 06 09:12 |
| oiaohm | trademark courts are not better there are tones of examples where trademarks are used to harm smaller competitors on purpose like the Ugg one. | Aug 06 09:14 |
| MrGreenFriend2 | i have this argument all the time with friends who work in drugs. they always say, without patents, companies would not spend the BILLIONs to create better drugs https://www.managedcaremag.com/news/20170914/costs-bring-drug-market-remain-dispute | Aug 06 09:15 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.managedcaremag.com | Costs to Bring a Drug to Market Remain in Dispute | Managed Care magazine | Aug 06 09:15 | |
| MrGreenFriend2 | oiaohm, i should login to this chatroom, the next time i get in that arguement with my friend , haha | Aug 06 09:16 |
| oiaohm | Really how much are they wasting reinventing stuff becuase they cannot license stuff properly. | Aug 06 09:18 |
| oiaohm | MrGreenFriend2: remember I am not against some form of protection for genuine invention. But the current patent system is really not it. | Aug 06 09:19 |
| oiaohm | The first version did protect inventions and inventors did get paid what was good. | Aug 06 09:20 |
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| MrGreenFriend2 | oiaohm, they have tons of tricks too. for drugs, just when a drug is expiring, they show a *new* use for it, thus restarting the patent clock-countdown | Aug 06 09:20 |
| oiaohm | You are refering to the process of evergreening patents. | Aug 06 09:20 |
| MrGreenFriend2 | oiaohm, thx, i didnt know that term | Aug 06 09:21 |
| oiaohm | MrGreenFriend2: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evergreening the term covers many methods. | Aug 06 09:22 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Evergreening - Wikipedia | Aug 06 09:22 | |
| oiaohm | MrGreenFriend2: yes I am in Australia its illegal for drugs companies to use Evergreening processes in Australia. | Aug 06 09:25 |
| oiaohm | This does see some drugs in Australia lot cheaper than other countries. | Aug 06 09:25 |
| MrGreenFriend2 | LOL, wikipedia has a page for the nicknames of mixed-drugs, i didn't know there wer so many! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poly_drug_use | Aug 06 09:31 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Poly drug use - Wikipedia | Aug 06 09:31 | |
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| MrGreenFriend2 | haha, your GreenPeace mock-up is funny | Aug 06 10:25 |
| schestowitz | [09:55] <MrGreen> Damn, you know everything! : ) Is there proof about MSFT & WannaCry? | Aug 06 10:37 |
| schestowitz | [09:56] <schestowitz> ' | Aug 06 10:37 |
| schestowitz | [09:56] <schestowitz> | Aug 06 10:37 |
| schestowitz | [09:57] <MrGreen> wow.. | Aug 06 10:37 |
| schestowitz | [09:57] <schestowitz> but that's another upcoming series for our site | Aug 06 10:38 |
| schestowitz | [09:57] <schestowitz> my sources in hospitals are still afraid they can be identified if I don't work further on the text | Aug 06 10:38 |
| schestowitz | [09:57] <MrGreen> Your awesome Schestowitz! : ) | Aug 06 10:38 |
| schestowitz | [09:58] <schestowitz> you did much more than me | Aug 06 10:38 |
| schestowitz | [09:58] <schestowitz> I'm a software pundit, I don't save the planet from waste other than my own | Aug 06 10:38 |
| schestowitz | [09:58] <MrGreen> NO.. YOU ARE THE REAL HERO! : ) | Aug 06 10:38 |
| schestowitz | [09:59] <MrGreen> I gotta jet buddy.. To be continued.. | Aug 06 10:38 |
| schestowitz | [10:00] <schestowitz> cool | Aug 06 10:38 |
| schestowitz | MrGreenFriend2: cool | Aug 06 10:38 |
| schestowitz | glad you liked it | Aug 06 10:38 |
| schestowitz | thought of making it while we had breakfast an hour ago at the back yard (it'll rain soon, took advantage of the sunshine while it lasted) | Aug 06 10:38 |
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| schestowitz | MrGreenFriend2: get ready for part 8 | Aug 06 10:38 |
| schestowitz | almost done now | Aug 06 10:38 |
| schestowitz | about Eric | Aug 06 10:38 |
| schestowitz | MrGreenFriend2: tell him I need some photos and legal docs soon | Aug 06 10:39 |
| schestowitz | to carry on producing more parts | Aug 06 10:39 |
| schestowitz | https://soylentnews.org/article.pl?sid=19/08/05/013251 | Aug 06 10:40 |
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| schestowitz | No good deed shall go unpunished, especially if it hurts profit. | Aug 06 10:41 |
| schestowitz | This world be damned, we'll pollute it if there's a coin to be made outta this. | Aug 06 10:41 |
| schestowitz | QUOTE | Aug 06 10:41 |
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| oiaohm | I wish I could look at the disc he had made and say it was not on the wrong side of the trademark laws over counterfeit or at least he had documentation that he did not order them looking that way.. | Aug 06 10:43 |
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| schestowitz | MrGreenFriend2: https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2017/09/innocence-is-irrelevant/534171/ | Aug 06 10:47 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theatlantic.com | Innocence Is Irrelevant in the Age of the Plea Bargain - The Atlantic | Aug 06 10:47 | |
| schestowitz | adding this | Aug 06 10:47 |
| schestowitz | MrGreenFriend2: as long as he does not ship the docs/photos over hotmail or outlook, I think we're OK | Aug 06 10:47 |
| schestowitz | we don't want to risk giving Microsoft advance notice of what gets divulged | Aug 06 10:48 |
| schestowitz | they're likely watching this closely | Aug 06 10:48 |
| MrGreenFriend2 | schestowitz, i gave him your keybase info, before. i think he is just busy with other things, for a few days | Aug 06 10:53 |
| MrGreenFriend2 | schestowitz, i skimmed that Atlantic article; it's good. the drug laws are so bad in the USA | Aug 06 10:54 |
| schestowitz | it's not even just about drugs | Aug 06 10:55 |
| schestowitz | I cropped some more relevant parts | Aug 06 10:55 |
| schestowitz | like the stats and abuse of the law | Aug 06 10:55 |
| schestowitz | will be ready shortly | Aug 06 10:55 |
| schestowitz | proofreading in a moment, then you can double-check to weed out typos | Aug 06 10:56 |
| schestowitz | I expanded the headline a bit | Aug 06 10:56 |
| schestowitz | The Eric Lundgren Case and Similar High-Profile 'Bargains' (Aaron Swartz and Marcus Hutchins) | Aug 06 10:56 |
| schestowitz | otherwise it lacked context | Aug 06 10:56 |
| MrGreenFriend2 | schestowitz, yeh, the plea-bargaining system is a tough problem. i think a big step forward would be the right to a trial-by-jury... Ya know, something like this: "In suits at common law, where the value in controversy shall exceed $20, the right of trial by jury shall be preserved, and no fact tried by a jury, shall be otherwise reexamined in any court of the United States, than according to the rules of the common law." | Aug 06 10:57 |
| schestowitz | just give me 5-10 mins | Aug 06 10:58 |
| MrGreenFriend2 | schestowitz, oh what a coincidence, that happens to already be in the Constitution: :) 7th Amendment | Aug 06 10:58 |
| schestowitz | then you can help me spot any mistakes | Aug 06 10:58 |
| schestowitz | I know the critics will cherry-pick anything they can, soooo | Aug 06 10:58 |
| oiaohm | MrGreenFriend2: particular courts plea bargain is not worth much. Trademark courts what ever the plea is has to go before the judge and the judge is free to change it and prosecutor is required to explain what the item was part of. | Aug 06 10:59 |
| oiaohm | So the disc being linked to license was kind of the way the trademark court was always going to play out. | Aug 06 10:59 |
| oiaohm | This is why I say it good that dell did not do the enforcement. | Aug 06 11:00 |
| MrGreenFriend2 | schestowitz, for headline, i would (to make it more clear): s/Bargains/Plea-Bargains | Aug 06 11:00 |
| schestowitz | will do | Aug 06 11:00 |
| schestowitz | but I keep the scare quotes | Aug 06 11:01 |
| schestowitz | as it's a misnomer | Aug 06 11:01 |
| oiaohm | MrGreenFriend2: dell would have been required to say the disc was linked to computer. | Aug 06 11:01 |
| schestowitz | like evergreening | Aug 06 11:01 |
| schestowitz | which makes killer sound "green"| | Aug 06 11:01 |
| schestowitz | The Eric Lundgren Case and Similar High-Profile Plea ‘Bargains’ (Aaron Swartz and Marcus Hutchins) | Aug 06 11:01 |
| MrGreenFriend2 | schestowitz, i get you 'sarcasm' that it is *not* actually a bargain... :) but i think that sarcasm will go over many people's heads | Aug 06 11:02 |
| schestowitz | Summary: Unjust and at times fatal plea ‘bargain’ tricks are being leveraged against people who fight ‘the system’; Eric Lundgren has come to realise he’s one of these people | Aug 06 11:03 |
| schestowitz | Hutchins will be walking around for the rest of his (long to go!) life with a "felony" crest/emblem/badge/mark/stamp/livery. It's a stain. It'll <em>never</em> go away. It's hard to find employment as in some cases it is not <em>legal</em> to hire people with a conviction/criminal record/felony. He's on the record as admitting guilt only after he had been blackmailed into it with the plea 'bargain' trick/machinations. We mentioned this many | Aug 06 11:06 |
| schestowitz | times in our daily links over the past couple of years. | Aug 06 11:06 |
| MrGreenFriend2 | i kinda wish he would have went to Jury. All it takes is ONE person (out of 12) with any shred of common-sense, to vote for him. | Aug 06 11:07 |
| schestowitz | if they don't rig it | Aug 06 11:07 |
| schestowitz | nsa at stake here | Aug 06 11:07 |
| schestowitz | "And “they do this to other people,” I interrupted him to say. “Chelsea Manning is the latest…” (they impose massive daily fines on her and her family for merely refusing to testify against Julian Assange even though she rightly sticks to her Constitutional rights)." | Aug 06 11:08 |
| schestowitz | "How dare this young British man ‘interfere’ with WannaCry, which was mostly developed by the NSA? Stay out, little fella’! Adults only here!" | Aug 06 11:09 |
| schestowitz | "WannaCry is an exploit, a back door(ing) facility; it was leaked from the NSA and Microsoft knew about it as it’s telling the NSA about zero-days without even fixing them. WannaCry is an SMB-level exploit. It killed lots of people, shut down hospitals worldwide, and caused billions of dollars in financial damage. And guess who was threatened with life in prison for it… the man who stopped it!" | Aug 06 11:10 |
| schestowitz | adding facebook meme....... | Aug 06 11:14 |
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| schestowitz | MrGreenFriend2: please check ^ | Aug 06 11:17 |
| schestowitz | others also, in this channe; | Aug 06 11:17 |
| schestowitz | there are likely typos | Aug 06 11:17 |
| schestowitz | I did it in a hurry | Aug 06 11:17 |
| MrGreenFriend2 | s/realise/realize (or is that how it's spelled in England?) | Aug 06 11:22 |
| schestowitz | england | Aug 06 11:24 |
| MrGreenFriend2 | Chelsea Manning should get a Trial by Jury, for contempt of court! | Aug 06 11:25 |
| MrGreenFriend2 | that needs to go to the Supreme Court | Aug 06 11:28 |
| MrGreenFriend2 | same with this guy: he should be entitled by a Trial by Jury, for his Contempt of Court: https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2017/03/man-jailed-indefinitely-for-refusing-to-decrypt-hard-drives-loses-appeal/ | Aug 06 11:30 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-arstechnica.com | Man jailed indefinitely for refusing to decrypt hard drives loses appeal | Ars Technica | Aug 06 11:30 | |
| MrGreenFriend2 | s/by/to | Aug 06 11:31 |
| schestowitz | That's expensive | Aug 06 11:31 |
| schestowitz | SCOTUS etc. | Aug 06 11:31 |
| MrGreenFriend2 | of course, the ACLU/EFF/etc should find a contempt-of-court case, and Win in SCOTUS, based on the 7th Amendment | Aug 06 11:32 |
| MrGreenFriend2 | also 5th & 14th amendments: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Due_Process_Clause | Aug 06 11:34 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Due Process Clause - Wikipedia | Aug 06 11:34 | |
| MrGreenFriend2 | schestowitz, s/blocked my in Twitter/blocked me in Twitter | Aug 06 11:39 |
| schestowitz | https://www.reddit.com/r/LinuxNewsToday/comments/cmnlca/slander_and_libel_from_microsoft_demonising_the/ | Aug 06 11:46 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.reddit.com | Slander and Libel From Microsoft (Demonising the Victim) : LinuxNewsToday | Aug 06 11:46 | |
| schestowitz | MrGreenFriend2: aha | Aug 06 11:46 |
| schestowitz | thanks, will correct | Aug 06 11:46 |
| schestowitz | done, correct, thank you | Aug 06 11:48 |
| MrGreenFriend2 | schestowitz, good article. man, it is so depressing. but it is the truth. maybe down the line, make more positive stories: such as a silver lining to this, how more people are realizing how bad M$ is and switching to GNU/Linux. and how Juries are getting more educated with www.Fija.org | Aug 06 11:49 |
| MrGreenFriend2 | and his other accomplishments, but he'll tell u about them | Aug 06 11:50 |
| MrGreenFriend2 | that is a great Assange vs Zuck meme. i never saw that. thx | Aug 06 11:55 |
| schestowitz | always good to see for the first time | Aug 06 11:55 |
| schestowitz | it's from 2010 ish | Aug 06 11:55 |
| schestowitz | #microsoft #windows is on 'borrowed time' | Aug 06 11:55 |
| schestowitz | Now Microsoft is just buying, bribing and infiltrating everything that's winning. Like a hostile cult. Watch out. #antitrust officials bribed. | Aug 06 11:55 |
| schestowitz | https://www.computerworld.com/article/3429649/windows-is-now-officially-irrelevant-here-s-why-that-makes-microsoft-happy.html | Aug 06 11:55 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Windows is now officially irrelevant. Here’s why that makes Microsoft happy. | Computerworld | Aug 06 11:55 | |
| oiaohm | schestowitz: yep Microsoft biggest income is coming items based on Linux. | Aug 06 12:05 |
| MrGreenFriend2 | i didnt follow the chelsea manning Contempt case? but why didn't she just show up for the supoena & plead the 5th amendment? | Aug 06 12:05 |
| oiaohm | MrGreenFriend2: horrible fact serving in the armed forces takes way you means to use the 5th. | Aug 06 12:06 |
| oiaohm | MrGreenFriend2: the horrible thing about disobeying lawful instruction. | Aug 06 12:06 |
| oiaohm | USA laws and horrible loopholes. | Aug 06 12:07 |
| MrGreenFriend2 | https://law.freeadvice.com/litigation/civil_law_suits/my-legal-rights-as-a-subpoenaed-witness.htm | Aug 06 12:08 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-law.freeadvice.com | My Legal Rights as a Subpoenaed Witness | Aug 06 12:08 | |
| oiaohm | MrGreenFriend2: it does not say military court cannot punish you. The stuff there is as a non mitrary served person. | Aug 06 12:09 |
| oiaohm | MrGreenFriend2: its rock and had place. Not attending and not questioned means the military court cannot punish here. But will have fines from civilan court. | Aug 06 12:10 |
| oiaohm | had/hard | Aug 06 12:10 |
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| MrGreenFriend2 | oiaohm, thanks for explaining.... even though i hate your answer, ahaha | Aug 06 12:13 |
| oiaohm | MrGreenFriend2: I don't exactly like my answer either. | Aug 06 12:19 |
| MrGreenFriend2 | ＼(｀0´)／ | Aug 06 12:20 |
| oiaohm | Australian servered offices have the same rights as cilivians with no possiblity for any extra punishments. USA system with the split between civilian and mil courts is a mess. | Aug 06 12:21 |
| oiaohm | USA really does need to have a major legal system clean up. | Aug 06 12:22 |
| MrGreenFriend2 | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Declaration_of_Independence#Annotated_text_of_the_engrossed_declaration | Aug 06 12:24 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | United States Declaration of Independence - Wikipedia | Aug 06 12:24 | |
| oiaohm | MrGreenFriend2: This covers when a person can be charged under USA Martial law. Basically once you join the USA military even if you leave you are subject to Martial law even after your own death. | Aug 06 12:37 |
| oiaohm | https://scholarship.law.duke.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1309&context=faculty_scholarship << opps the link. | Aug 06 12:37 |
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| oiaohm | MrGreenFriend2: willful disobedience under USA military law can be claiming the 5. | Aug 06 12:38 |
| oiaohm | MrGreenFriend2: so you have the right in one court but using the right in the civil court means you can be subject to punishment in theMartial law court of the USA system if you ever served. | Aug 06 12:39 |
| oiaohm | Join the USA militrary give up sections of your rights for ever. | Aug 06 12:40 |
| oiaohm | You don't see that on their recuritment posters. | Aug 06 12:40 |
| MrGreenFriend2 | when is the last time a person was court-Martialed *after* they were discharged? | Aug 06 12:41 |
| MrGreenFriend2 | i never heard of it happening, but i believe u, that it is possible | Aug 06 12:42 |
| oiaohm | MrGreenFriend2: most well know is Chelsea Manning some of the charges were done after discharged. | Aug 06 12:43 |
| MrGreenFriend2 | oiaohm, LOL, if u showed that paper to a recruiter, they wouldnt even read the first page ;) | Aug 06 12:43 |
| oiaohm | Same with charges over miss actions found to happen happened in war zones. | Aug 06 12:44 |
| oiaohm | Really it stinks that serving country in the USA equals less rights. | Aug 06 12:45 |
| MrGreenFriend2 | oiaohm, for MrGreen's case/sentencing would it have been possible to join the military instead of serving jail-time? | Aug 06 12:45 |
| oiaohm | You see that offered but you are paying something for good by the join military route in the USA. | Aug 06 12:46 |
| MrGreenFriend2 | what is "paying something for good"? | Aug 06 12:47 |
| oiaohm | It that you are forever under both civilian and military law. | Aug 06 12:47 |
| oiaohm | This means in particular cases you can be charged twice and serve time twice. | Aug 06 12:48 |
| oiaohm | and you also get stuck in the middle when the two laws confit. | Aug 06 12:49 |
| oiaohm | MrGreenFriend2: you now know why ex military at times in the USA when subpoenaed to civilian court will not attend. Because they have the same rights in the civil court but using them can have them on the wrong side of the military court. | Aug 06 12:52 |
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| MrGreenFriend2 | oiaohm, thx for explaining. i need to read something happy, too much depressing news today ;) | Aug 06 13:00 |
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| schestowitz | https://www.reddit.com/r/LinuxNewsToday/comments/cmrr8z/the_eric_lundgren_case_and_similar_highprofile/ | Aug 06 16:31 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.reddit.com | The Eric Lundgren Case and Similar High-Profile Plea 'Bargains' (Aaron Swartz and Marcus Hutchins) : LinuxNewsToday | Aug 06 16:31 | |
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| psydroid | oiaohm, but that story about Windows being irrelevant nowadays is still spinning things positively for Microsoft while heeding the first rule of the Microsoft Club | Aug 06 16:52 |
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| oiaohm | psydroid: of course they want to still avoid to talking about why their history main cash cow is is not bring what it use to as well. | Aug 06 16:54 |
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| MinceR | https://img.pr0gramm.com/2019/07/26/4968c6e76e60f7d0.jpg | Aug 06 19:40 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: And grammar is proper, too. | Aug 06 19:45 |
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| MrGreenFriendd | oiaohm, https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ugg_boots_trademark_dispute | Aug 06 20:52 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.m.wikipedia.org | Ugg boots trademark dispute - Wikipedia | Aug 06 20:52 | |
| scientes | Fugg them | Aug 06 20:56 |
| MinceR | :> | Aug 06 20:58 |
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| MinceR | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_rHp919IAjg | Aug 06 22:06 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Доброе утро, папочка! Лучший будильник-пума Месси - YouTube | Aug 06 22:06 | |
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| cubexyz | regarding slashdot's article on linux and memory... older linux was much better with low memory, even as low as 16 megs in some cases | Aug 06 23:00 |
| cubexyz | openbsd is still pretty good if you use a simple WM like icewm | Aug 06 23:01 |
| cubexyz | still run irc on an old Dell with 256 megs | Aug 06 23:01 |
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| MinceR | so, in other words, Linux has jumped the shark? :> | Aug 06 23:03 |
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| XRevan86 | https://vk.com/wall-143586954_20167 no need to understand what is being said, just impressive shots | Aug 06 23:07 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Wall | VK | Aug 06 23:07 | |
| XRevan86 | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Achinsk | Aug 06 23:08 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Achinsk - Wikipedia | Aug 06 23:08 | |
| cubexyz | I still use older distros for certain things | Aug 06 23:08 |
| cubexyz | if you want to be really hardcore try openbsd and don't run X at all | Aug 06 23:10 |
| XRevan86 | The official statement is that no one died. | Aug 06 23:10 |
| cubexyz | in 1998 I remember a "lot of ram" was 128 megs | Aug 06 23:14 |
| XRevan86 | Correction: official statement is that one person died | Aug 06 23:16 |
| MinceR | https://img.pr0gramm.com/2019/07/25/d989bc8bf653018a.png | Aug 06 23:22 |
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