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| DaemonFC | But it still didn't help too much. | Dec 08 00:00 |
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| schestowitz-TR | I'd surf differently back then | Dec 08 00:00 |
| schestowitz-TR | and some sites had no images | Dec 08 00:00 |
| schestowitz-TR | the text too would take time to load | Dec 08 00:00 |
| schestowitz-TR | maybe 20 secs | Dec 08 00:00 |
| DaemonFC | My ISP, Skynet, supported v.92. | Dec 08 00:00 |
| schestowitz-TR | you are a bit younger than me | Dec 08 00:01 |
| schestowitz-TR | 1.5 years | Dec 08 00:01 |
| schestowitz-TR | I'm 39 still | Dec 08 00:01 |
| schestowitz-TR | not next month :/ | Dec 08 00:01 |
| schestowitz-TR | the modem I had was 14.4 | Dec 08 00:01 |
| schestowitz-TR | some had the 28k | Dec 08 00:01 |
| schestowitz-TR | then ISDN | Dec 08 00:01 |
| schestowitz-TR | multiplexing | Dec 08 00:01 |
| DaemonFC | I started out with this piece of shit WinModem. | Dec 08 00:01 |
| schestowitz-TR | but that encouraged better content | Dec 08 00:01 |
| DaemonFC | K56Flex or X2. | Dec 08 00:02 |
| schestowitz-TR | yes, winmodem | Dec 08 00:02 |
| schestowitz-TR | they called them that | Dec 08 00:02 |
| DaemonFC | Luckily, the system on the other end could use either protocol. | Dec 08 00:02 |
| schestowitz-TR | your PC came without a modem | Dec 08 00:02 |
| schestowitz-TR | dialup winsock or whatever | Dec 08 00:02 |
| schestowitz-TR | trumpet | Dec 08 00:02 |
| schestowitz-TR | when done, go offline | Dec 08 00:02 |
| schestowitz-TR | and keep the trolls behind | Dec 08 00:02 |
| schestowitz-TR | scarcity helps people appreciate things more | Dec 08 00:02 |
| schestowitz-TR | I'm back to reading email once a day or less | Dec 08 00:03 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: typos? http://techrights.org/2021/12/07/epo-eu-assurances/ | Dec 08 00:03 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | [Meme] EU Assurances | Techrights | Dec 08 00:03 | |
| DaemonFC | There was a software update to v.90, and that was the only good thing about it. | Dec 08 00:03 |
| schestowitz-TR | winnuke.exe | Dec 08 00:04 |
| DaemonFC | It used the CPU, so the DSP could be upgraded without ripping out the whole modem. | Dec 08 00:04 |
| schestowitz-TR | only try on friends ;-) | Dec 08 00:04 |
| schestowitz-TR | antinuke.exe | Dec 08 00:04 |
| schestowitz-TR | always run when connecting | Dec 08 00:04 |
| schestowitz-TR | else, bsod | Dec 08 00:04 |
| schestowitz-TR | if we had 'secure' boot back then | Dec 08 00:04 |
| schestowitz-TR | then the nuke could maybe override the 'bios' | Dec 08 00:04 |
| schestowitz-TR | and brick your PC ;-) | Dec 08 00:04 |
| schestowitz-TR | some 'security' | Dec 08 00:04 |
| DaemonFC | Mr. Goolag hated that. Mr. Goolag is going back to work on his Roomba. | Dec 08 00:05 |
| schestowitz-TR | whop buys this shit? | Dec 08 00:05 |
| schestowitz-TR | shits-for-brains | Dec 08 00:05 |
| DaemonFC | Absolutely. | Dec 08 00:05 |
| DaemonFC | John bought one when I left and bragged about it. | Dec 08 00:05 |
| schestowitz-TR | I look at these things and laugh | Dec 08 00:05 |
| schestowitz-TR | they don't even have power | Dec 08 00:05 |
| schestowitz-TR | no socket, no power | Dec 08 00:05 |
| schestowitz-TR | it's s toy | Dec 08 00:05 |
| DaemonFC | I went back in while he was at work 2 weeks later to grab more stuff, and the entire house was trashed. | Dec 08 00:05 |
| schestowitz-TR | on batteries | Dec 08 00:05 |
| schestowitz-TR | you need AT LEAST 1000 watts on those things | Dec 08 00:06 |
| DaemonFC | And here's this thing vacuuming 10 square feet of floor he kicked open in front of it and then parking itself. :) | Dec 08 00:06 |
| schestowitz-TR | what next? electric planes? | Dec 08 00:06 |
| schestowitz-TR | some people try to sell that too | Dec 08 00:06 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz-TR, Metra is converting diesel-electric locomotives to all electric. | Dec 08 00:06 |
| schestowitz-TR | good luck REPAIRING a Roomba | Dec 08 00:06 |
| DaemonFC | It makes no sense at all. | Dec 08 00:06 |
| schestowitz-TR | with a traditional one you can get spared and repair yourself | Dec 08 00:07 |
| schestowitz-TR | unless it's bad engine or some core thing | Dec 08 00:07 |
| schestowitz-TR | also, Roomba can get pwned, afaik | Dec 08 00:07 |
| schestowitz-TR | via the appliance | Dec 08 00:07 |
| schestowitz-TR | or the "app" | Dec 08 00:07 |
| DaemonFC | The smarter thing would be to build 1500v overhead wires across the entire system and ditch the engine completely. | Dec 08 00:07 |
| schestowitz-TR | to steal info about you and the home | Dec 08 00:07 |
| DaemonFC | They'd have to do more work up front, but these electric locomotive engines running on batteries is the stupid short-term option. | Dec 08 00:07 |
| DaemonFC | So we're doing this, I guess. | Dec 08 00:08 |
| schestowitz-TR | until the company goes bust | Dec 08 00:08 |
| schestowitz-TR | ythen you are on your own ;-) | Dec 08 00:08 |
| schestowitz-TR | "on your own" ;-) | Dec 08 00:08 |
| schestowitz-TR | I'm ALWAYS on my own | Dec 08 00:08 |
| DaemonFC | It's somewhere between diesel and just running the system with overhead wires. | Dec 08 00:08 |
| DaemonFC | It gets you like halfway to where you should be. | Dec 08 00:08 |
| schestowitz-TR | my cleaner connects to nothing but a socket for voltage | Dec 08 00:08 |
| DaemonFC | It's a half-measure, and I know enough to avoid those. | Dec 08 00:08 |
| schestowitz-TR | maybe next up will be vacuum claners that run on diesel like mowers | Dec 08 00:09 |
| schestowitz-TR | stinks up the home :-) | Dec 08 00:09 |
| DaemonFC | If it had overhead wires, it would be more efficient and they'd never have to recycle a battery. | Dec 08 00:09 |
| schestowitz-TR | ah | Dec 08 00:09 |
| DaemonFC | There's not going to be anything more efficient than direct current. | Dec 08 00:09 |
| schestowitz-TR | you beat me tto it | Dec 08 00:09 |
| schestowitz-TR | re diesel | Dec 08 00:09 |
| schestowitz-TR | we both used the diesel analogy at the same time | Dec 08 00:10 |
| DaemonFC | You can still put electricity back into the lines at stops by using regenerative braking. | Dec 08 00:10 |
| schestowitz-TR | electric powers are OK for small gardens | Dec 08 00:10 |
| DaemonFC | Reverse the process to do DC to AC and then put it back out into the grid. | Dec 08 00:10 |
| schestowitz-TR | where the wiring doesn't need to be a web of kludge | Dec 08 00:10 |
| DaemonFC | Metra's Electric District is the most reliable. | Dec 08 00:11 |
| DaemonFC | It's also the oldest. | Dec 08 00:11 |
| DaemonFC | 98% on time, and the diesel lines are like 86-92% usually. | Dec 08 00:11 |
| DaemonFC | They have more breakdowns, and when they do, you have to wait forever for another train, it completely ruins the board. | Dec 08 00:11 |
| DaemonFC | I know. I was in one when the radiator exploded. | Dec 08 00:12 |
| DaemonFC | It sounded like a bomb went off and then the whole train shook and the lights went on and off a few times and then the train coasted to a stop. | Dec 08 00:12 |
| techrights-news | [Meme] #EU Assurances • Techrights ⚓ http://techrights.org/2021/12/07/epo-eu-assurances/ ䷉ #Techrights #EPO #corruption #immunity | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/12/07/epo-eu-assurances/ | Dec 08 00:13 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | [Meme] EU Assurances | Techrights | Dec 08 00:13 | |
| DaemonFC | Then we were stuck at the Blue Island station for 2 hours with the police directing traffic, and that's when Metra managed to re-route another train onto the opposite track. | Dec 08 00:13 |
| DaemonFC | We were never in any physical danger of derailment or anything. | Dec 08 00:13 |
| DaemonFC | But it was pretty jarring. | Dec 08 00:14 |
| DaemonFC | Humorously, that was the Rock Island District. It was the line that the movie Source Code was filmed on. | Dec 08 00:14 |
| schestowitz-TR | [00:12] <DaemonFC> I know. I was in one when the radiator exploded. | Dec 08 00:14 |
| schestowitz-TR | how does THAT work? | Dec 08 00:14 |
| schestowitz-TR | it's just like pipe with water | Dec 08 00:14 |
| schestowitz-TR | unless it's the boiler | Dec 08 00:14 |
| DaemonFC | I don't know. It was louder than hell. | Dec 08 00:15 |
| schestowitz-TR | radiators don't explode | Dec 08 00:15 |
| schestowitz-TR | they can spill | Dec 08 00:15 |
| DaemonFC | Just "BOOOM!". | Dec 08 00:15 |
| schestowitz-TR | there's one 30 cm from me | Dec 08 00:15 |
| schestowitz-TR | but I never use it | Dec 08 00:15 |
| schestowitz-TR | unless it's less than -5 outside | Dec 08 00:15 |
| schestowitz-TR | (which is very rare here) | Dec 08 00:15 |
| immibis | schestowitz-TR: steam can be under high pressure | Dec 08 00:15 |
| schestowitz-TR | I have a hot water bottle to my feet now | Dec 08 00:16 |
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| schestowitz-TR | the extremities are the main issue | Dec 08 00:16 |
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| schestowitz-TR | immibis: but explode? | Dec 08 00:16 |
| schestowitz-TR | also, boilers have water and radiators never have steam in them | Dec 08 00:17 |
| schestowitz-TR | nor electricity | Dec 08 00:17 |
| DaemonFC | The conductor told me that the radiator exploded. | Dec 08 00:17 |
| immibis | <schestowitz> but you could only choose from two pieces of shit | Dec 08 00:17 |
| immibis | <schestowitz> because DNC rigged it like it had done in 2016 | Dec 08 00:17 |
| immibis | <schestowitz> they never learna | Dec 08 00:17 |
| immibis | this is how free markets work | Dec 08 00:17 |
| schestowitz-TR | haha, true | Dec 08 00:17 |
| immibis | your choice is take it or leave it, your influence is taking the least bad option and leaving the most bad option | Dec 08 00:17 |
| schestowitz-TR | apple vs Microsoft | Dec 08 00:17 |
| immibis | libertarians will tell you this game eventually results in both options becoming good, but that's because they are wrong | Dec 08 00:18 |
| schestowitz-TR | android (gulag) versus i(think you are a pedo)phone | Dec 08 00:18 |
| immibis | those are both pretty ludicrous comparisons | Dec 08 00:18 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz-TR, A woman with a BMW who ignored the directions on Steel Seal head gasket leak fixer and just poured it in and drove the car found out that radiators can explode. | Dec 08 00:18 |
| DaemonFC | I think I told MinceR about that. | Dec 08 00:18 |
| immibis | schestowitz-TR: what happens to the water if the cooling system fails? | Dec 08 00:18 |
| DaemonFC | Then she started threatening to sue the company when there were very clear directions that she ignored. | Dec 08 00:19 |
| schestowitz-TR | they're written by lawyers | Dec 08 00:19 |
| schestowitz-TR | long and incomprehensible | Dec 08 00:19 |
| DaemonFC | "Oh I'm not going to pay a mechanic to put a new head gasket on this car for $3,500!" | Dec 08 00:19 |
| schestowitz-TR | so people stop reading manuals | Dec 08 00:19 |
| DaemonFC | "Look what I can do!" | Dec 08 00:19 |
| DaemonFC | Nope, now the car is scrap because you blew the radiator, and the head gasket was already bad. | Dec 08 00:20 |
| DaemonFC | Head gasket repair on a BMW is not a $900 job like it is on a Chevy. | Dec 08 00:20 |
| DaemonFC | And I'm sure a completely new radiator isn't cheap either. | Dec 08 00:20 |
| DaemonFC | If you don't know what you're doing with Steel Seal, take it down to a mechanic who does. | Dec 08 00:21 |
| DaemonFC | Chances are it can last 50,000 miles and it's an old car so that's all you need anyway. | Dec 08 00:21 |
| DaemonFC | And it'll be like maybe $150 all told. | Dec 08 00:21 |
| DaemonFC | On a Chevy or a Ford you don't need to use an OEM radiator. | Dec 08 00:23 |
| DaemonFC | They sell them from China, they're dirt cheap. They work. | Dec 08 00:23 |
| schestowitz-TR | dirt cheap? | Dec 08 00:26 |
| schestowitz-TR | to whom? | Dec 08 00:26 |
| schestowitz-TR | maybe compared to cost of a car | Dec 08 00:26 |
| schestowitz-TR | you can get a hot water bottle for a fiver | Dec 08 00:26 |
| schestowitz-TR | a kettle costs like 20 dollars, a decent one too | Dec 08 00:26 |
| techrights-news | es ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/158862 #GN | Dec 08 00:27 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's leftovers | Tux Machines | Dec 08 00:27 | |
| techrights-news | Today’s 𝘛𝘶𝘹 𝘔𝘢𝘤𝘩𝘪𝘯𝘦𝘴 Leftovers • Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/158862 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines | Dec 08 00:28 |
| MinceR | (cat) (audio:important) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ap8Z-DbUqX4 | Dec 08 00:29 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Are Domestic Cats Like Tigers? - YouTube | Dec 08 00:29 | |
| techrights-news | Links 8/12/2021: #FreeBSD 12.3, #EasyOS 3.1.13, and WordPress 5.9 Beta 2 • Techrights ⚓ http://techrights.org/2021/12/07/easyos-3-1-13/ ䷉ #Techrights #GNU #Linux | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/12/07/easyos-3-1-13/ | Dec 08 00:29 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Links 8/12/2021: FreeBSD 12.3, EasyOS 3.1.13, and WordPress 5.9 Beta 2 | Techrights | Dec 08 00:29 | |
| schestowitz-TR | TIL even Nat Friedman has some sexual secrets | Dec 08 00:32 |
| schestowitz-TR | but those are rumours | Dec 08 00:32 |
| schestowitz-TR | and related to offences | Dec 08 00:32 |
| schestowitz-TR | so stay tuned... | Dec 08 00:32 |
| schestowitz | <p><img src="" border="0" align="left" width="160" hspace="20" vspace="20" style="padding: 17px 17px 17px 17px; box-shadow: 5px 5px 5px #222;" /> | Dec 08 00:33 |
| schestowitz | <p class="dropcap-first"> | Dec 08 00:33 |
| schestowitz | <a href="https://yewtu.be/watch?v=ap8Z-DbUqX4"><img src="/files/read-on-white.png" alt="Read more" title="Read the rest of this article" /></a> | Dec 08 00:33 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 500 @ https://yewtu.be/watch?v=ap8Z-DbUqX4 ) | Dec 08 00:33 | |
| schestowitz | wrong paste, sorry | Dec 08 00:33 |
| schestowitz | https://yewtu.be/watch?v=ap8Z-DbUqX4" | Dec 08 00:33 |
| schestowitz | "Looks like you've found a bug in Invidious." | Dec 08 00:34 |
| techrights-news | Today in #Techrights • Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/158863 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines | Dec 08 00:34 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Today in Techrights | Tux Machines | Dec 08 00:34 | |
| schestowitz-TR | need to find more stable instance | Dec 08 00:35 |
| schestowitz-TR | which are the recommended ones? | Dec 08 00:35 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: several ads in there | Dec 08 00:39 |
| techrights-news | #epo #patent #monopolies to people who give #cancer to other people, with buzzwords like "e" https://www.juve-patent.com/news-and-stories/cases/bat-and-vossius-successful-in-heat-not-burn-e-cigarette-dispute-in-mannheim/ | Dec 08 00:41 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.juve-patent.com | BAT and Vossius successful in heat-not-burn e-cigarette dispute in Mannheim - JUVE Patent | Dec 08 00:41 | |
| techrights-news | #Fakenews about something that can never legally become a reality, part of a #lobbying campaign https://www.dyoung.com/en/knowledgebank/faqs-and-guides/guide-unitary-patent-up see http://techrights.org/2021/09/28/upc-song-joke/ #unitarypatentcourt #unitarypatent | Dec 08 00:43 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.dyoung.com | D Young & Co | Guide to the unitary patent (UP) | Dec 08 00:43 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The “You Pee, See?” (UPC) Tactics: Fake it Till You Make it | Techrights | Dec 08 00:43 | |
| techrights-news | Message lost in #buzzwords https://www.helpnetsecurity.com/2021/12/02/terrascan-open-source-security-analyzer/ | Dec 08 00:45 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.helpnetsecurity.com | Open source cloud native security analyzer Terrascan embeds security into native DevOps tooling - Help Net Security | Dec 08 00:45 | |
| techrights-news | #surveillance disguised as safety https://www.maketecheasier.com/setup-and-use-find-my-iphone/ #apple #YouAreAPedo | Dec 08 00:46 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.maketecheasier.com | How to Use "Find My" to Protect and Track Your iPhone - Make Tech Easier | Dec 08 00:46 | |
| techrights-news | FreeBSD 12.3 Released With Updated AMD & Networking Hardware, Password Protected ZIPs - Phoronix http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/158857#comment-32002 | Dec 08 00:48 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | FreeBSD 12.3-RELEASE Announcement | The FreeBSD Project | Tux Machines | Dec 08 00:48 | |
| DaemonFC | https://www.networkworld.com/article/2287695/k56flex-vs--x2-56kbps-modems.html | Dec 08 00:48 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.networkworld.com | K56flex vs. x2 56Kbps modems | Network World | Dec 08 00:48 | |
| DaemonFC | TIL: A patent troll made 56k modems more expensive for everyone with junk patents, which he was able to hire lawyers to defend, due to the royalties and settlements he made with people who paid up. | Dec 08 00:48 |
| techrights-news | http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/158826#comment-32003Tails 4.25 is out | Dec 08 00:50 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Tails 4.25 Anonymous Linux OS Released with New Backup Tool for Persistent Storage | Tux Machines | Dec 08 00:50 | |
| schestowitz-TR | DaemonFC: parasite economy | Dec 08 00:50 |
| schestowitz-TR | I did not know about the modem angle | Dec 08 00:50 |
| schestowitz-TR | was too young to understand I guess | Dec 08 00:50 |
| DaemonFC | https://web.archive.org/web/20130517200939/http://www.networkworld.com/news/2004/0308widernetmodem.html | Dec 08 00:50 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-web.archive.org | More than just a modem man | Dec 08 00:50 | |
| DaemonFC | Submarine patent on 56k. | Dec 08 00:52 |
| DaemonFC | He patented it, then waited for the ITU to standardize one, then popped up and demanded settlements from all involved. | Dec 08 00:52 |
| schestowitz-TR | typical | Dec 08 00:54 |
| schestowitz-TR | like mp* | Dec 08 00:54 |
| schestowitz-TR | and now av* | Dec 08 00:54 |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/2010/04/23/microsoft-walking-among-patents/ | Dec 08 00:54 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Microsoft Software Patents in Codecs, Web Font DRM, and Likewise-HP | Techrights | Dec 08 00:54 | |
| schestowitz-TR | and others | Dec 08 00:55 |
| AdmFubar | no wonder a saw only fedex and ups on my street today https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/technology/aws-outage-impacts-ring-netflix-and-amazon-deliveries/ | Dec 08 00:55 |
| -altlink_72d/#techrights-📣 Cloudflare: bleepingcomputer.com | 🙆 Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/technology/aws-outage-impacts-ring-netflix-and-amazon-deliveries/ | Dec 08 00:55 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.bleepingcomputer.com | AWS outage impacts Ring, Netflix, and Amazon deliveries | Dec 08 00:55 | |
| schestowitz-TR | all those software patents | Dec 08 00:55 |
| schestowitz-TR | AdmFubar: ha | Dec 08 00:55 |
| DaemonFC | He made at least $100 million doing essentially nothing. | Dec 08 00:55 |
| schestowitz-TR | well, some of fedora is down | Dec 08 00:55 |
| schestowitz-TR | because racist ibm outsourced to bezos | Dec 08 00:55 |
| DaemonFC | Just legal threats to companies that made dial up modems. | Dec 08 00:55 |
| schestowitz-TR | yeah | Dec 08 00:55 |
| schestowitz-TR | I exposed another one like that | Dec 08 00:55 |
| schestowitz-TR | and then he sent me death wishes by email | Dec 08 00:56 |
| schestowitz-TR | I learned how to deal with those thugs over time | Dec 08 00:56 |
| schestowitz-TR | the patent trolls are very very rude | Dec 08 00:56 |
| AdmFubar | compromised with windows https://www.darkreading.com/threat-intelligence/google-disrupts-botnet-targeting-windows-machines | Dec 08 00:56 |
| -altlink_72d/#techrights-📣 Cloudflare: darkreading.com | 🙆 Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.darkreading.com/threat-intelligence/google-disrupts-botnet-targeting-windows-machines | Dec 08 00:56 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.darkreading.com | Google Disrupts Botnet Targeting Windows Machines | Dec 08 00:56 | |
| schestowitz-TR | they're like "get rich fact" schemers | Dec 08 00:56 |
| schestowitz-TR | *fast | Dec 08 00:56 |
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| techrights-news | #gulag #microsoft #ProprietarySofwtare https://www.darkreading.com/threat-intelligence/google-disrupts-botnet-targeting-windows-machines see http://techrights.org/2021/10/29/microsoft-national-security-threat/ | Dec 08 00:57 |
| -altlink_72d/#techrights-📣 Cloudflare: darkreading.com | 🙆 Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.darkreading.com/threat-intelligence/google-disrupts-botnet-targeting-windows-machines | Dec 08 00:57 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Microsoft: Still a National Security Threat | Techrights | Dec 08 00:57 | |
| schestowitz | apropos, Gulagboy thinks I'm some noob | Dec 08 00:58 |
| *scientes has quit (connection closed) | Dec 08 00:58 | |
| schestowitz | who panics at the sight of some slappy lawyers | Dec 08 00:58 |
| AdmFubar | darkweb criminals have their own legal system? https://www.darkreading.com/threat-intelligence/the-dark-web-has-its-own-people-s-courts | Dec 08 00:58 |
| -altlink_72d/#techrights-📣 Cloudflare: darkreading.com | 🙆 Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.darkreading.com/threat-intelligence/the-dark-web-has-its-own-people-s-courts | Dec 08 00:58 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.darkreading.com | The Dark Web Has Its Own People's Court | Dec 08 00:58 | |
| schestowitz | AdmFubar: 'dark' web | Dec 08 00:58 |
| schestowitz | tell ibm | Dec 08 00:58 |
| *Noisytoot (~noisytoot@freenode/user/Noisytoot) has joined #techrights | Dec 08 00:58 | |
| schestowitz | they will cancel the term | Dec 08 00:58 |
| schestowitz | to hide their DARK past | Dec 08 00:58 |
| techrights-news | 4 RSS readers every Linux user should try • Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/158864 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines | Dec 08 00:59 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | 4 RSS readers every Linux user should try | Tux Machines | Dec 08 00:59 | |
| techrights-news | #Tails 4.25 is out http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/158826#comment-32003 | Dec 08 00:59 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Tails 4.25 Anonymous Linux OS Released with New Backup Tool for Persistent Storage | Tux Machines | Dec 08 01:00 | |
| techrights-news | There’s another (new) push to hold the #EPO accountable, seeing that the overseers clearly do not do their job and instead cover up the abuses • Techrights ⚓ http://techrights.org/2021/12/07/clare-daly-on-epo/ ䷉ #Techrights #europe #patents | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/12/07/clare-daly-on-epo/ | Dec 08 01:01 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Clare Daly (GUE/NGL) Does What Every Public Official in Europe Should Have Done About EPO Shenanigans | Techrights | Dec 08 01:01 | |
| techrights-news | The EPO‘s staff cannot be blamed for losing patience as elected public representatives completely fail to do their job (with few exceptions) • Techrights ⚓ http://techrights.org/2021/12/07/epo-eu-assurances/ ䷉ #Techrights #EPO #europe #patent #eu | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/12/07/epo-eu-assurances/ | Dec 08 01:02 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | [Meme] EU Assurances | Techrights | Dec 08 01:02 | |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, Mandy's dentist called. COVID was a false alarm. | Dec 08 01:04 |
| DaemonFC | So I scheduled a replacement appointment on Thursday and he's just going to have to call in and cover it with personal time. | Dec 08 01:05 |
| DaemonFC | Oh well. It was either that or let the stupid insurance company keep over $300 in benefits for the calendar year! | Dec 08 01:05 |
| DaemonFC | The benefits are counted _after_ the discount. The discount is the biggest part of the reduction. | Dec 08 01:06 |
| DaemonFC | Before they start paying anything for like, a filling, they negotiate half of the price off with the dentist to be in their network. | Dec 08 01:06 |
| DaemonFC | Then they pay 80% of the remainder. | Dec 08 01:06 |
| DaemonFC | The dentist turns around and hits up cash patients, bad. | Dec 08 01:07 |
| DaemonFC | It's cartel-like behavior. | Dec 08 01:07 |
| DaemonFC | Because then more people see THOSE prices and sign up for the insurance so they can be protected from the dentist charging them the cash price. | Dec 08 01:07 |
| techrights-news | #Kubernetes 1.23: The Next Frontier • Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/158865 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines | Dec 08 01:08 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Kubernetes 1.23: The Next Frontier | Tux Machines | Dec 08 01:08 | |
| DaemonFC | The more work the dentist does, the better his breath is getting. | Dec 08 01:09 |
| DaemonFC | This has been a problem that should have been addressed many years ago. | Dec 08 01:09 |
| DaemonFC | I would have probably handled it before COVID, but I was already tapped out and juggling too many things. | Dec 08 01:10 |
| techrights-news | Release of #XigmaNAS 12.3.0.4 https://xigmanas.com/xnaswp/about/ #freesbsd #bsd #unix | Dec 08 01:11 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-About – XigmaNAS | Dec 08 01:11 | |
| DaemonFC | https://baronhk.wordpress.com/2021/12/08/walmart-lets-orders-to-po-boxes-go-through-then-sends-them-to-fedex-which-cant-put-anything-in-a-po-box/ | Dec 08 01:15 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-baronhk.wordpress.com | Walmart lets orders to PO Boxes go through, then sends them to FedEx, which can’t put anything in a PO Box. – BaronHK's Rants | Dec 08 01:15 | |
| MinceR | https://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/vicarious | Dec 08 01:18 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.smbc-comics.com | Saturday Morning Breakfast Cereal - Vicarious | Dec 08 01:18 | |
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| AdmFubar | https://ffii.org/unified-patent-court-is-100x-more-expensive-and-an-sme-killer-europe-is-commiting-an-economic-suicide/ | Dec 08 01:40 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ffii.org | Unified Patent Court is 100X more expensive and an SME killer, Europe is commiting an economic suicide | FFII | Dec 08 01:40 | |
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| schestowitz-TR | AdmFubar: true | Dec 08 01:46 |
| schestowitz-TR | good news | Dec 08 01:46 |
| schestowitz-TR | my complaint has been a success | Dec 08 01:46 |
| schestowitz-TR | to NHS | Dec 08 01:46 |
| schestowitz-TR | and it had so much impact that they change providers and protocols | Dec 08 01:46 |
| DaemonFC | "When gambling addiction lures people into unpayable debt, some of them commit suicide. There are around 400 such suicides a year in the UK. | Dec 08 01:55 |
| DaemonFC | I was unable to find any comparable info about the US." | Dec 08 01:55 |
| DaemonFC | Yes, but in the US most of the casinos and horse betting tracks are in Democrat-majority areas. | Dec 08 01:56 |
| DaemonFC | They're trying to put one in Chicago, and one in Waukegan. | Dec 08 01:56 |
| DaemonFC | That's despite the fact that they have not been the source of jobs or revenue they promised would fix the city finances in Joliet or Aurora. | Dec 08 01:56 |
| DaemonFC | If you want to go lose a fortune, there's still Vegas. And the weather is pretty nice right now. | Dec 08 01:57 |
| DaemonFC | Hard to imagine who would come to Chicago and risk the carjackings and shootings, to gamble in the middle of winter. | Dec 08 01:58 |
| immibis | "Since I can't get any work done, I decided to relax and order in some pizza. Then I tried ordering online from the Jet's Pizza site. 500 errors. lol. looked at network request headers. Its AWS....." | Dec 08 01:58 |
| immibis | DaemonFC: it sounds like you're trying and failing to make a political point. just say it | Dec 08 01:58 |
| DaemonFC | The resistance to gambling has usually been in conservative states. Every time it goes before the voters, it's a losing issue until the crooks in the legislature pass it anyway. | Dec 08 01:59 |
| DaemonFC | That's why Indiana didn't have a lottery until like 1990. | Dec 08 01:59 |
| DaemonFC | They tried selling the state lottery as "This will fund education and fix all of our K-12 budget problems!", then it didn't. | Dec 08 02:00 |
| DaemonFC | And now Stallman is promoting CNN. | Dec 08 02:01 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Dec 08 02:01 |
| DaemonFC | Gates and Bezos. OOOOhhhhh, don't stop. | Dec 08 02:01 |
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| DaemonFC | Like most things the government promises, lotteries and casinos are a lie. | Dec 08 02:05 |
| schestowitz-TR | RMS links to CNN a lot | Dec 08 02:05 |
| schestowitz-TR | onion, omidyar, gates' guardian, cnn... | Dec 08 02:05 |
| schestowitz-TR | common dreams is good | Dec 08 02:05 |
| schestowitz-TR | some of the rest are not | Dec 08 02:05 |
| DaemonFC | It's a way to cut tax on the rich, and fund the state on the backs of people who buy a 1 in 800 million chance to become rich, with the state taking 60 cents on every dollar, and then taxing the payouts too. | Dec 08 02:05 |
| schestowitz-TR | reuters is also oligarchs' owned | Dec 08 02:06 |
| schestowitz-TR | but it's usually ok | Dec 08 02:06 |
| schestowitz-TR | washpo and newsweek oligarchs-owned | Dec 08 02:06 |
| schestowitz-TR | bloomberg and murdoch have their own | Dec 08 02:06 |
| schestowitz-TR | I avoid all those... when I cna | Dec 08 02:06 |
| schestowitz-TR | can | Dec 08 02:06 |
| DaemonFC | "*New York City sets Covid vaccine mandate for all private employers.*" -Stallman | Dec 08 02:07 |
| DaemonFC | Federal judge strikes down last Biden vaccine mandate. (for federal workers) | Dec 08 02:07 |
| schestowitz-TR | he must be happy | Dec 08 02:07 |
| schestowitz-TR | guardian told him this is freedo | Dec 08 02:07 |
| schestowitz-TR | and that not having mandate is bad for other people's freedom | Dec 08 02:07 |
| DaemonFC | RMS gives Free Software awards to a bunch of deranged psychopaths who sabotage Free Software. | Dec 08 02:07 |
| DaemonFC | So it stands to reason that he wouldn't know freedom if it bit him in the ass. | Dec 08 02:08 |
| schestowitz-TR | and who do not understand freedom of speech | Dec 08 02:08 |
| schestowitz-TR | they cancel him based on lies | Dec 08 02:08 |
| schestowitz-TR | and Torvalds too | Dec 08 02:08 |
| schestowitz-TR | and trashing postboxes with threats | Dec 08 02:08 |
| schestowitz-TR | true story | Dec 08 02:08 |
| DaemonFC | He's not going to get us there by giving Free Software Awards to a guy who implements Microsoft boot standards and plays with his Roomba. | Dec 08 02:08 |
| schestowitz-TR | maybe torvalds wrote that forced' apology' afeter someone had threatened to SUE | Dec 08 02:09 |
| DaemonFC | He derails the entire conversation about software freedom like this. | Dec 08 02:09 |
| schestowitz-TR | yeah | Dec 08 02:09 |
| schestowitz-TR | and bashes libeboot | Dec 08 02:09 |
| schestowitz-TR | leah know | Dec 08 02:09 |
| schestowitz-TR | libreboot bad | Dec 08 02:09 |
| schestowitz-TR | microsoft asked to sigh your distro... GOOD | Dec 08 02:09 |
| schestowitz-TR | GNU libreboot BAD | Dec 08 02:10 |
| schestowitz-TR | Microsoft... GOOD | Dec 08 02:10 |
| DaemonFC | I just turn "Secure Boot" off. | Dec 08 02:10 |
| DaemonFC | It doesn't do anything except get in my way. | Dec 08 02:10 |
| DaemonFC | It's not important. | Dec 08 02:10 |
| schestowitz-TR | lenovo askes you to | Dec 08 02:10 |
| schestowitz-TR | but they signed some secret OEM deal with MSFT | Dec 08 02:10 |
| schestowitz-TR | do this to get discount | Dec 08 02:10 |
| schestowitz-TR | else, pay a fine | Dec 08 02:10 |
| leah | i have been summoned | Dec 08 02:10 |
| schestowitz-TR | blackmail byn Micriosdoft | Dec 08 02:10 |
| leah | why have i been summoned | Dec 08 02:10 |
| schestowitz-TR | leah: fake freedom | Dec 08 02:11 |
| schestowitz-TR | and fake awards | Dec 08 02:11 |
| schestowitz-TR | from FSF | Dec 08 02:11 |
| schestowitz-TR | to peoplem who attack RMS | Dec 08 02:11 |
| leah | carry on. i will go grab coffee and read this conversation in a short while | Dec 08 02:11 |
| *leah is an omnipetent ghost | Dec 08 02:11 | |
| schestowitz-TR | and the spirit of the mission of the FSF | Dec 08 02:11 |
| DaemonFC | https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/dec/06/china-attacks-us-style-democracy-prior-to-biden-summit | Dec 08 02:12 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theguardian.com | China attacks ‘US-style democracy’ prior to Biden summit | China | The Guardian | Dec 08 02:12 | |
| DaemonFC | A "whole-process" democracy, complete with Great Firewall and Secret Police. | Dec 08 02:12 |
| DaemonFC | Very democratic. Criticize any of the Chinese politicians, nobody ever sees you again. | Dec 08 02:12 |
| DaemonFC | Terrific democracy! | Dec 08 02:12 |
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| DaemonFC | The great thing about Western Democracies is most of us know the government is shit and the only thing you can do about it is try to limit the total harm to yourself with strategic voting. | Dec 08 02:13 |
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| DaemonFC | In China, they don't even get that much. | Dec 08 02:13 |
| DaemonFC | Again, democracy! "Socialist" democracy! | Dec 08 02:14 |
| DaemonFC | The government is a gigantic negative value proposition. | Dec 08 02:14 |
| DaemonFC | It saps the public dry with taxes and kills jobs with regulations designed to extort bigger bribes. | Dec 08 02:15 |
| DaemonFC | Stallman is a fool if he can't see this much. | Dec 08 02:15 |
| DaemonFC | It's like, you know, all of Illinois has been sucked dry by Chicago taxes and ruined by Chicago laws. | Dec 08 02:15 |
| DaemonFC | There's even videos about how awful Illinois is on Youtube, and all of the most awful things are that way either because of Chicago or because most of the politicians are from Chicago and no other region gets what it needs from the state government. | Dec 08 02:17 |
| DaemonFC | It's easier to leave than to do anything about it. So people leave. Sometimes they just abandon their house without even trying to sell it and let the government confiscate it for back taxes. | Dec 08 02:18 |
| DaemonFC | They just want out of here that much. | Dec 08 02:18 |
| leah | so | Dec 08 02:18 |
| leah | schestowitz-TR: DaemonFC can you please summarize the discussion thus far. clue me in | Dec 08 02:18 |
| DaemonFC | Oh, the FSF and Stallman being a bunch of fucking idiots. | Dec 08 02:18 |
| leah | just so i can get my bearings. from when i was pinged and before then. what's the theme | Dec 08 02:18 |
| leah | please elaborate | Dec 08 02:18 |
| DaemonFC | Stallman seems to be a very ineffective person. | Dec 08 02:19 |
| DaemonFC | They probably agreed to bring him back because he's a pushover. | Dec 08 02:19 |
| DaemonFC | He allows, like, this infestation of people who don't even use or promote Free Software, like Mr. Goolag. | Dec 08 02:20 |
| DaemonFC | They just get to camp out and get awards for taking us 10 giant steps backwards. | Dec 08 02:20 |
| DaemonFC | The FSF can't even get a small text editor project to snap into line. | Dec 08 02:21 |
| leah | context please | Dec 08 02:21 |
| DaemonFC | GNU Nano is only part of GNU because they won concessions. | Dec 08 02:21 |
| DaemonFC | It was the same list of concessions that Lucid was demanding with Emacs. | Dec 08 02:21 |
| DaemonFC | The whole of GNU is falling apart and turning into "open source". | Dec 08 02:22 |
| DaemonFC | Some of it has been that way for years in exchange for lots of corporate cash and development work. | Dec 08 02:22 |
| DaemonFC | But we're talking core components at this point. | Dec 08 02:22 |
| DaemonFC | https://www.christopherprice.net/gplv4-starting-the-conversation-2580.html | Dec 08 02:24 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.christopherprice.net | GPLv4 – Starting the Conversation | Christopher Price | Dec 08 02:24 | |
| DaemonFC | Who is this fucking idiot anyway? | Dec 08 02:24 |
| DaemonFC | Literally the first thing on his wish list would protect Donald Trump from his social media platform's GPL violation. | Dec 08 02:25 |
| leah | ok, i'm fully caught up | Dec 08 02:26 |
| leah | schestowitz-TR: GNU Libreboot didn't really makes sense on a technical level. In retrospect, going the FSDG route back then might have been a better approach. But yes, I can infer from context what you were talking about, and I agree with what you said: fuck mjg59. | Dec 08 02:28 |
| leah | he bashed libreboot from day one, and legitimized secureboot within x86 space | Dec 08 02:29 |
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| leah | However, lately I've been looking at things in a very different light. I'm not any sides at the moment. I'm building my own side, instead. | Dec 08 02:30 |
| leah | have you seen the conversations i've been starting lately, about federation | Dec 08 02:30 |
| schestowitz-TR | leah: he threatens me with lawyers now | Dec 08 02:30 |
| schestowitz-TR | such a freedom-loving man ;-) | Dec 08 02:31 |
| leah | why does he threaten you? | Dec 08 02:31 |
| schestowitz-TR | ANOTHER FSF award | Dec 08 02:31 |
| schestowitz-TR | leah: freedom of speech | Dec 08 02:31 |
| leah | another fsf award? | Dec 08 02:31 |
| schestowitz-TR | he struggles to find a job | Dec 08 02:31 |
| schestowitz-TR | because people can see what he is | Dec 08 02:31 |
| leah | a careerist pig who has no values whatsoever and simply wants to insert his penis into everything? | Dec 08 02:32 |
| schestowitz-TR | he said here in irc | Dec 08 02:33 |
| schestowitz-TR | that if we don'y go to foss events for sec | Dec 08 02:33 |
| schestowitz-TR | then we are "missing out" | Dec 08 02:33 |
| AdmFubar | https://torrentfreak.com/dns-resolver-quad9-loses-first-pirate-site-blocking-appeal-in-germany-211206/ | Dec 08 02:33 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-DNS-Resolver Quad9 Loses First Pirate Site Blocking Appeal in Germany * TorrentFreak | Dec 08 02:33 | |
| leah | i became disillusioned with the fsf in the last few years, precisely because of people like him being in it. and the overall direction and focus of the fsf being lacklustre at best. i saw that they were holding the movement back | Dec 08 02:33 |
| schestowitz-TR | and later he goes around accusing rms and torvalds of being hostile to women | Dec 08 02:33 |
| schestowitz-TR | btw, he stalks us in irc | Dec 08 02:33 |
| schestowitz-TR | does not seem like healthy behaviour | Dec 08 02:33 |
| leah | however, this year, i saw a great opportunity to rekindle things and realign the movement back into a people-powered one | Dec 08 02:34 |
| schestowitz-TR | 24/7 stalking | Dec 08 02:34 |
| leah | i want corporations to have less control, and for all the freedom movements to unify in a grand federation | Dec 08 02:34 |
| schestowitz-TR | yes | Dec 08 02:34 |
| schestowitz-TR | I agree | Dec 08 02:34 |
| leah | free software, oshw/right to repair (riscv plays a key part), free art/culture, all kinds of stuff | Dec 08 02:34 |
| leah | right now, the problem i see is one of infrastructure | Dec 08 02:35 |
| leah | stuff like github for instance. ariadne recently told me about a project called ForgeFed, which is a fork of ActivityPub for implementing federated git code forges | Dec 08 02:35 |
| leah | apparently, gitea and gitlab are implementing support | Dec 08 02:35 |
| leah | right now, the problem we face is that huge corporations have co-opted the freedom movements everywhere, and basically "whitewashed" it, for want of a better word | Dec 08 02:36 |
| leah | kind of like in the movie "They Live" where everything is skewed towards money | Dec 08 02:36 |
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| leah | i want to start a project teaching people how to host their own services. including how to get round isp restrictions by tunneling via l2tp/vpn and so on | Dec 08 02:37 |
| leah | also promote stuff like tor | Dec 08 02:37 |
| leah | federated freedom foundation, so to speak | Dec 08 02:37 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IRC: #boycottnovell-social and #techpol @ Techrights IRC Network: Tuesday, December 07, 2021 | Dec 08 02:38 | |
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| leah | a living, breathing organisation, not necessarily incorporated in law, but woven into our social structure | Dec 08 02:38 |
| leah | a newly unstoppable federation of freedom | Dec 08 02:38 |
| leah | one that nitwits like mjg59 can't fuck with | Dec 08 02:38 |
| schestowitz-TR | federation is good | Dec 08 02:38 |
| schestowitz-TR | you should see this: | Dec 08 02:38 |
| leah | a complete evolution of the fsf and others like it | Dec 08 02:38 |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/wiki/Free_Software_Federation | Dec 08 02:38 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Free Software Federation - Techrights | Dec 08 02:38 | |
| leah | building on their strengths but not just thinking outside the box: colonising the entire universe instead | Dec 08 02:39 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IRC: #techrights @ Techrights IRC Network: Tuesday, December 07, 2021 | Dec 08 02:39 | |
| leah | a giant fediverse | Dec 08 02:39 |
| leah | the early phase of this idea is to first get the existing, entrenched organisations talking | Dec 08 02:39 |
| schestowitz | right now we have GAFAMverse | Dec 08 02:39 |
| schestowitz | where few Pentagon contractors control most things | Dec 08 02:39 |
| leah | what i'm working on is a charter to define this new movement | Dec 08 02:39 |
| leah | a federal freedom charter | Dec 08 02:39 |
| schestowitz | inc. the web traffic | Dec 08 02:39 |
| schestowitz | netflix, clownflare... | Dec 08 02:40 |
| leah | as soon as it's ready, i'm publishing the first draft | Dec 08 02:40 |
| schestowitz | we need to topple this bad order | Dec 08 02:40 |
| leah | and will get as many people as possible to review it | Dec 08 02:40 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IRC: #boycottnovell @ Techrights IRC Network: Tuesday, December 07, 2021 | Dec 08 02:40 | |
| leah | people from all different kinds of communities | Dec 08 02:40 |
| leah | agree upon a charter, a mission statement. a federal mission statement | Dec 08 02:40 |
| leah | anyway, regarding FSF: earlier this year, i saw a great opportunity to reshape it back into its people-powered, adhoc routes. free of corporate influence | Dec 08 02:40 |
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| leah | however | Dec 08 02:40 |
| leah | what has happened since then is far worse: | Dec 08 02:41 |
| leah | the fsf appears to be collapsing | Dec 08 02:41 |
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| leah | it has completely lost steam | Dec 08 02:41 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IRC: #techbytes @ Techrights IRC Network: Tuesday, December 07, 2021 | Dec 08 02:41 | |
| leah | i'm expecting it to continue to exist, but in a weakened state | Dec 08 02:41 |
| leah | when i tried to become ED, i had these kinds of ideas in mind. though my thinking back then was less developed than it is now | Dec 08 02:41 |
| leah | i completely misjudged everything entirely, this year. and now i'm working on something better. on my terms | Dec 08 02:42 |
| leah | so i'm not picking any sides right now. like i said, i'm building my own | Dec 08 02:42 |
| leah | i have no faith in the fsf | Dec 08 02:42 |
| leah | rms appears to be allowing it to just fall apart. probably bathing in former glory, remembering the good old days | Dec 08 02:42 |
| schestowitz-TR | no | Dec 08 02:43 |
| schestowitz-TR | rms does ok | Dec 08 02:43 |
| schestowitz-TR | he's in a tough position | Dec 08 02:43 |
| schestowitz-TR | because he's stalked and hounded | Dec 08 02:43 |
| leah | and i find this very sad. a lot of us have reached our hand out to him, and his fsf | Dec 08 02:43 |
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| schestowitz-TR | the cancel mob looks to have another go/round | Dec 08 02:43 |
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| techrights-news | ✩░▒▓▆▅▃▂▁𝐁𝐔𝐋𝐋𝐄𝐓𝐈𝐍▁▂▃▅▆▓▒░✩ Yesterday's bulletin is now ready! 🅷🆃🆃🅿: http://techrights.org/txt-archives/techrights-2021-12-07.txt | 🅶🅴🅼🅸🅽🅸 gemini://gemini.techrights.org/tr_text_version/techrights-2021-12-07.txt (tentative address, to work an hour from now) | Dec 08 02:43 |
| leah | i've cut ties, you know | Dec 08 02:43 |
| schestowitz-TR | I know | Dec 08 02:43 |
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| leah | but i'm not opposing him | Dec 08 02:43 |
| schestowitz-TR | but that does not mean you oppose them | Dec 08 02:43 |
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| schestowitz-TR | yeah | Dec 08 02:43 |
| schestowitz-TR | haha, beat me to it | Dec 08 02:43 |
| leah | he is not my enemy. but he is no longer my hero | Dec 08 02:43 |
| schestowitz-TR | we said the same thing | Dec 08 02:43 |
| leah | i've told him, directly: | Dec 08 02:44 |
| leah | i will replace you | Dec 08 02:44 |
| leah | :P | Dec 08 02:44 |
| schestowitz-TR | not a wise thing to say | Dec 08 02:44 |
| schestowitz-TR | but whatever.. | Dec 08 02:44 |
| schestowitz-TR | we can make many clones | Dec 08 02:44 |
| leah | i want him on board | Dec 08 02:44 |
| schestowitz-TR | of sorts | Dec 08 02:44 |
| schestowitz-TR | that would make many thinkers like him | Dec 08 02:44 |
| leah | what i have in mind is far advanced compared to the status quo we've known | Dec 08 02:44 |
| schestowitz-TR | who have more capcity | Dec 08 02:44 |
| leah | we need to smash that status quo in its entirety, and build the federation | Dec 08 02:45 |
| leah | the problem is a very human one: | Dec 08 02:45 |
| leah | organisations like the fsf were innovative for their time, but have lost their way in a world that has far outgrown them. but these organisations try to cling on and continue to run things, | Dec 08 02:45 |
| leah | and | Dec 08 02:45 |
| leah | they are single points of failure for people like mjg59 and his ilk to conquer | Dec 08 02:46 |
| leah | we're stuck in the past | Dec 08 02:46 |
| leah | and i want to build the next 30 years | Dec 08 02:46 |
| leah | what i'm thinking of is not even a new idea, and much of the necessary infrastructure and people already exist | Dec 08 02:47 |
| leah | but we need to get organized | Dec 08 02:47 |
| schestowitz-TR | yup | Dec 08 02:47 |
| leah | the people that will lead this new movement (not me. i only want to help get it going) exist, and are active | Dec 08 02:47 |
| leah | but they are sequestered | Dec 08 02:47 |
| leah | distracted | Dec 08 02:47 |
| schestowitz-TR | we are stronger in numbers | Dec 08 02:47 |
| leah | we are high in number, but divided | Dec 08 02:47 |
| schestowitz-TR | also, we have more people sympathetic to our cause | Dec 08 02:47 |
| schestowitz-TR | if they know about it | Dec 08 02:47 |
| schestowitz-TR | mindless consumers can be swayed | Dec 08 02:47 |
| leah | and what i plan is a unified coup against the current corruption we've known | Dec 08 02:48 |
| schestowitz-TR | the oligarchs are very few | Dec 08 02:48 |
| leah | reshape everything to what *people* want | Dec 08 02:48 |
| leah | and that is: freedom | Dec 08 02:48 |
| schestowitz-TR | and they control maybe one million geeks with salaries | Dec 08 02:48 |
| leah | what people want is freedom | Dec 08 02:48 |
| schestowitz-TR | but that leaves billions minus one million | Dec 08 02:48 |
| schestowitz-TR | their 'tech merecenaries' | Dec 08 02:48 |
| leah | lots of people though believe it is impossible, precisely because of this disunity. we need only a few people to create a spark, and get the ball rolling | Dec 08 02:48 |
| leah | "build it, and they will come" | Dec 08 02:48 |
| schestowitz-TR | gemini is like this | Dec 08 02:48 |
| leah | i've chosen to reveal myself here because i didn't intend to keep it a secret. i've completely charged course, over the last few months, and especially the last few weeks | Dec 08 02:49 |
| leah | i'm thinking bigger | Dec 08 02:49 |
| leah | the discussion earlier about RMS is not the one we need to be having. we need to be thinking about the post-fsf world that is already taking shape now. the fsf is dying, and in my opinion, does not want to be saved | Dec 08 02:50 |
| leah | as evidenced by the fact that many of us, including myself, are being turned away or not even approached by them | Dec 08 02:50 |
| leah | the events of early 2021 were a death knell either way: either they would have canned rms and the fsf would have been "fine" but overrun by corporate influences, as was already extremely evident | Dec 08 02:51 |
| leah | or | Dec 08 02:51 |
| leah | it would just die | Dec 08 02:51 |
| leah | but earlier this year, i didn't see the latter scenario. i thought we were helping to save it. but no matter how that situation would have gone, it was doomed | Dec 08 02:52 |
| leah | case in point... | Dec 08 02:52 |
| leah | 12-4 = 8 | Dec 08 02:52 |
| leah | ok yes | Dec 08 02:52 |
| leah | just over 8 months | Dec 08 02:52 |
| leah | 8 months have passed. no new staff. most staff left. and they still haven't found a new ED | Dec 08 02:52 |
| leah | stuff isn't getting done | Dec 08 02:53 |
| leah | it's precisely because of those events, that i now wish to build the new federation, which i've alluded to today | Dec 08 02:53 |
| leah | a federation is less likely to be corrupted, or overthrown. because a federation is inherently democratic | Dec 08 02:53 |
| leah | democratic is the key word here | Dec 08 02:54 |
| leah | what we've had so far is basically benevolent dictatorship. only now it's benign | Dec 08 02:54 |
| leah | we need to move on | Dec 08 02:54 |
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| DaemonFC | <leah> i became disillusioned with the fsf in the last few years, precisely because of people like him being in it. and the overall direction and focus of the fsf being lacklustre at best. i saw that they were holding the movement back | Dec 08 02:55 |
| leah | schestowitz-TR: and you know what? something tells me that people like mjg59 wanted rms to remain at the fsf this year | Dec 08 02:55 |
| DaemonFC | There is no direction of the FSF anymore. | Dec 08 02:55 |
| DaemonFC | They're turning into another Linux Foundation. | Dec 08 02:55 |
| leah | schestowitz-TR: the current state of things was predicted by the people in his side | Dec 08 02:55 |
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| leah | schestowitz-TR: molly db and her ilk all knew that rms's position at the fsf was secure | Dec 08 02:56 |
| leah | we were manipulated | Dec 08 02:56 |
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| leah | they are probably very happy with the current state of things | Dec 08 02:56 |
| leah | it was all subterfuge. i realized this, and have walked away | Dec 08 02:57 |
| AdmFubar | https://www.theregister.com/2021/12/08/nasa_asteroid_algorithm/ | Dec 08 02:58 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.com | NASA has a new algorithm to track near-Earth asteroids • The Register | Dec 08 02:58 | |
| leah | divide and conquer. so i decided: | Dec 08 02:58 |
| leah | why not seek to unify instead? | Dec 08 02:58 |
| DaemonFC | Debian followed the FSF's strange tear about device firmware for some reason. | Dec 08 02:58 |
| AdmFubar | https://www.theregister.com/2021/12/07/facebook_genocide_rohingya/ | Dec 08 02:59 |
| -altlink_72d/#techrights-📣 Cloudflare: theregister.com | 🙆 Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.theregister.com/2021/12/07/facebook_genocide_rohingya/ | Dec 08 02:59 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.com | Meta sued for $150B by Rohingya refugees escaping Myanmar • The Register | Dec 08 02:59 | |
| DaemonFC | x86 PCs are basically unusable without it, so it brings about this very Windows XP-like Press F8 to load a driver thing. | Dec 08 02:59 |
| XRevan86 | DaemonFC: Next thing ye will ask why Libreboot strips off processor microcode bundling. | Dec 08 03:01 |
| leah | "i know" | Dec 08 03:01 |
| XRevan86 | It's an iffy subject. | Dec 08 03:01 |
| leah | schestowitz-TR: how did you know? perhaps you read my blog | Dec 08 03:01 |
| leah | i've been meaning to touch base with you | Dec 08 03:01 |
| DaemonFC | There's pretty much no control over x86 and Libreboot seems to be restricted to the Core 2 era or something. | Dec 08 03:02 |
| schestowitz-TR | leah: yes, I read the blog | Dec 08 03:02 |
| schestowitz-TR | rss | Dec 08 03:02 |
| leah | schestowitz-TR: just so we're clear, i deleted my rms article | Dec 08 03:03 |
| schestowitz-TR | it had its days and impact | Dec 08 03:03 |
| leah | but i have no intentions of fighting or opposing rms. i do still think he's an amazing person, and i thank him for starting our movement | Dec 08 03:03 |
| leah | i've merely outgrown him and seen through all the nonsense. i'm going off on my own and starting my own thing | Dec 08 03:04 |
| leah | i've told him he can be involved, if he wants | Dec 08 03:04 |
| leah | i don't need him. but if he wants to help build the new movement, his will be a powerful voice that can be used for good | Dec 08 03:04 |
| leah | instead of the totally benign state of affairs we've seen in recent months | Dec 08 03:04 |
| AdmFubar | https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2021/dec/07/apple-china-deal-tim-cook | Dec 08 03:05 |
| leah | i actually still fully agree with the mission of the free software movement. and it's precisely because of that that i have to walk away from the fsf. i think their goose is cooked, more or less | Dec 08 03:05 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theguardian.com | Tim Cook reportedly signed five-year $275bn deal with Chinese officials | Apple | The Guardian | Dec 08 03:05 | |
| leah | we need something better. truly better, not the crap that gafam and their puppets at gnome foundation / osi tried to shove down our throats | Dec 08 03:06 |
| leah | giant corporations didn't give us free software | Dec 08 03:07 |
| leah | people did | Dec 08 03:07 |
| leah | giant corperations didn't have us the right to repair movement | Dec 08 03:07 |
| leah | louis rossman and several others did | Dec 08 03:07 |
| leah | giant corporations didn't have us free art/culture movement | Dec 08 03:08 |
| leah | creative commons did | Dec 08 03:08 |
| leah | i could go on | Dec 08 03:08 |
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| schestowitz-TR | CC is compromised | Dec 08 03:15 |
| schestowitz-TR | the org | Dec 08 03:15 |
| schestowitz-TR | not the movement or the concept | Dec 08 03:15 |
| leah | which is why we need the federation | Dec 08 03:18 |
| leah | the federation already exists. but it's not big enough | Dec 08 03:18 |
| leah | we can focus on educating people how to set up their own projects and infrastructure, free of such influences | Dec 08 03:19 |
| schestowitz-TR | social control media is junk | Dec 08 03:19 |
| schestowitz-TR | we need to dfederate blog | Dec 08 03:19 |
| schestowitz-TR | there's this thing called rss feeds ;-) | Dec 08 03:19 |
| schestowitz-TR | which is working rather well for federation;-) | Dec 08 03:19 |
| leah | we need more federation | Dec 08 03:20 |
| leah | and we need better ideological leadership in the freedom movement | Dec 08 03:21 |
| leah | i simply call it the freedom movement now, in my head. free software is a part of it. a critical part, but not the only part | Dec 08 03:21 |
| schestowitz-TR | right. | Dec 08 03:21 |
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| leah | anyway | Dec 08 03:31 |
| leah | i hope i made a positive contribution to earlier's discussion | Dec 08 03:31 |
| schestowitz-TR | lots of ground covered | Dec 08 03:32 |
| leah | this was all in my head, driving me mad. i've decided to just own it | Dec 08 03:32 |
| leah | there is a lot of great potential for our movements, currently being squandered. we can do much better | Dec 08 03:32 |
| leah | and we will | Dec 08 03:32 |
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| leah | and people like mjg59 are scared shitless about people like me. i'm not alone either. i've been testing the waters, expressing these ideas in a few places. people love my idea | Dec 08 03:33 |
| leah | the people that just want power currently have it, and are afraid to lose it | Dec 08 03:33 |
| leah | and they will | Dec 08 03:33 |
| leah | right now they mock us | Dec 08 03:34 |
| schestowitz-TR | freedom is always under attacked | Dec 08 03:34 |
| schestowitz-TR | the question is, from who | Dec 08 03:34 |
| schestowitz-TR | people who play with "Smart" things are not my friends | Dec 08 03:34 |
| schestowitz-TR | they are more like informants | Dec 08 03:34 |
| leah | mjg59 is actually fairly benign. the only reason he has power is because the fsf temporarily gave it to him. and then there's google or whoever he works for now | Dec 08 03:35 |
| leah | he is not an individual, as such. he is a vessel, owned by someone else. he is a symbol of what happens when you sell out | Dec 08 03:35 |
| schestowitz-TR | yes | Dec 08 03:35 |
| leah | i wonder if such people will try to cancel me in the future | Dec 08 03:36 |
| leah | i can see how they'd do it. but i'm not as vulnerable as their previous targets | Dec 08 03:36 |
| leah | watch the movie They Live and then re-read this chat log | Dec 08 03:37 |
| leah | lol | Dec 08 03:37 |
| leah | the center cannot hold | Dec 08 03:38 |
| schestowitz-TR | being cancel isn't a 'thing' | Dec 08 03:38 |
| schestowitz-TR | accepting it "is" | Dec 08 03:38 |
| schestowitz-TR | RMS did not accept it | Dec 08 03:38 |
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| leah | what do you mean by that? | Dec 08 03:39 |
| schestowitz | "People said I should accept the world. Bullshit! I don't accept the world." | Dec 08 03:39 |
| schestowitz | RMS said he was canceled | Dec 08 03:39 |
| schestowitz | but he came back | Dec 08 03:39 |
| schestowitz | sort of | Dec 08 03:39 |
| schestowitz | it was a phony scandal | Dec 08 03:39 |
| leah | he never left | Dec 08 03:39 |
| leah | there is another aspect to this, though, that i don't think you're seeing | Dec 08 03:41 |
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| leah | do you think rms is ultimately a force for good, in the year 2021? | Dec 08 03:41 |
| leah | (in practise, in terms of everyday action) | Dec 08 03:41 |
| schestowitz-TR | he'll be ok | Dec 08 03:42 |
| schestowitz-TR | he has health issues | Dec 08 03:43 |
| schestowitz-TR | but he has been saying it for 2 decades | Dec 08 03:43 |
| leah | there are two aspects: intentions, and actions | Dec 08 03:43 |
| leah | rms has pure intentions | Dec 08 03:43 |
| schestowitz-TR | 4am , gn, must rush to sleep | Dec 08 03:43 |
| leah | yes, very well | Dec 08 03:44 |
| schestowitz-TR | thanks for the chat | Dec 08 03:44 |
| schestowitz-TR | not escaping | Dec 08 03:44 |
| schestowitz-TR | just suprt-tired | Dec 08 03:44 |
| schestowitz-TR | and got many articles to finalise | Dec 08 03:44 |
| schestowitz-TR | exclusives | Dec 08 03:44 |
| leah | your work is important, so i won't keep you. get some sleep | Dec 08 03:44 |
| schestowitz-TR | gn | Dec 08 03:45 |
| leah | tl;dr rms is fine, but we need to think to the future. the old guard have lost control, and corporations are exploiting that power vacuum. *we* need to blow the state and build the freedom federation instead | Dec 08 03:46 |
| leah | we have better ideas, and more people | Dec 08 03:46 |
| leah | i figure i'm only 30 years old. so i'll do my part, and keep going. i can't rely on the old guard | Dec 08 03:49 |
| leah | we need to think for ourselves and rethink everything. or we will lose. the old status quo is completely dead. it already occured. i've merely realized that, in recent months | Dec 08 03:49 |
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| leah | *we* need to take initiatives. don't leave it up to the leader. the leaders are all dead, dying or corrupt. we will replace them | Dec 08 03:50 |
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| DaemonFC | <leah> mjg59 is actually fairly benign. the only reason he has power is because the fsf temporarily gave it to him. and then there's google or whoever he works for now | Dec 08 04:21 |
| DaemonFC | Not even Goolag wanted him. | Dec 08 04:21 |
| DaemonFC | The whole Damore thing showed that Google rules with a Culture of Fear. | Dec 08 04:25 |
| DaemonFC | And they have a lot of people like the SJW trolls who feel like it's their job to punish people for having an opinion that isn't like theirs. | Dec 08 04:25 |
| DaemonFC | So imagine how bad the conduct was for someone on Team SJW to be shown the door. | Dec 08 04:26 |
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| DaemonFC | I saw that. | Dec 08 05:24 |
| DaemonFC | I don't know what other brands they make. I don't buy brands, usually. | Dec 08 05:24 |
| kingoffrance | giant corporations didn't give us free software / people did that is an understatement. a corporation is a charter/idea/spirit without a body. not trying to be spooky, but incorporate: to give a body to. put another way: corporations need people to "represent them", else they are "dead" (or shall we say "not incarnated"). it is much more fundamental: corporations need people to exist. not the other way around | Dec 08 05:25 |
| kingoffrance | once you have 2 people (or marriage, or....) then you have "one body" too, so they are perhaps unavoidable | Dec 08 05:25 |
| kingoffrance | corporations are just hypothetical people that live forever (or until charter expires) -- but they need people "representing" them to do anything | Dec 08 05:26 |
| kingoffrance | artificial persons, whatever | Dec 08 05:26 |
| kingoffrance | they have no body of their own | Dec 08 05:26 |
| AdmFubar | about haveway down their page is a list of their brand product... but I'm sure they co-pack and private label for others | Dec 08 05:27 |
| kingoffrance | *once you have a group of people acting jointly | Dec 08 05:27 |
| kingoffrance | they are an abstract group of people, joined, pretend its one giant person :) | Dec 08 05:29 |
| kingoffrance | they are literally imitation people | Dec 08 05:30 |
| kingoffrance | maybe my point is, even if corporations did give people free software , that was still just people :D | Dec 08 05:31 |
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| kingoffrance | they cant exist without people :D | Dec 08 05:32 |
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| leah | what the fuck is goolag | Dec 08 06:00 |
| leah | and what's the damore thing | Dec 08 06:00 |
| leah | schestowitz-TR: Demonfc mentioned it. do you know? | Dec 08 06:01 |
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| leah | also | Dec 08 06:17 |
| leah | it's interesting that my cursed rss generator actually works. you mentioned earlier about rss on my blog. i don't actually use rss myself, but i inherited that feature from what my static site generator is a fork of | Dec 08 06:18 |
| leah | i refactored a lot of that code | Dec 08 06:19 |
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| kingoffrance | i think goolag is just his way of referring to google gulag | Dec 08 08:16 |
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| techrights-news | #Google #Android Leftovers • Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/158868 #Linux #TuxMachines | Dec 08 09:02 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Android Leftovers | Tux Machines | Dec 08 09:02 | |
| techrights-news | #Ubuntu Vs. #AmazonLinux • Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/158867 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines | Dec 08 09:02 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Ubuntu Vs. Amazon Linux | Tux Machines | Dec 08 09:02 | |
| techrights-news | Upcoming #CutefishOS Could Topple #Deepin as the Most Beautiful Linux Distro • Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/158866 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines | Dec 08 09:02 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Upcoming CutefishOS Could Topple Deepin as the Most Beautiful Linux Distro | Tux Machines | Dec 08 09:02 | |
| techrights-news | #Techrights Bulletin for Tuesday, December 07, 2021 http://techrights.org/txt full archive: http://techrights.org/txt-archives #gnu #linux #freesw #plaintext | Dec 08 09:03 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Bulletin Archives | Dec 08 09:03 | |
| techrights-news | #Techrights full #IPFS index updated just now http://techrights.org/ipfs available as plain text @ http://techrights.org/ipfs/txt #dweb #sharing | Dec 08 09:03 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Techrights Full IPFS Index | Dec 08 09:03 | |
| techrights-news | "It is not a foundation to advance Linux it is a foundation to advance its members' interests within Linux. That is the inverse of what people generally expect." http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-071221.html#tDec%2007%2016:02:11 | Dec 08 09:05 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IRC: #boycottnovell @ Techrights IRC Network: Tuesday, December 07, 2021 | Dec 08 09:05 | |
| techrights-news | 𝘛𝘦𝘤𝘩𝘳𝘪𝘨𝘩𝘵𝘴 #IRC Proceedings: Tuesday, December 07, 2021 • Techrights ⚓ http://techrights.org/2021/12/08/irc-log-071221/ ䷉ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/12/08/irc-log-071221/ | Dec 08 09:06 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IRC Proceedings: Tuesday, December 07, 2021 | Techrights | Dec 08 09:06 | |
| techrights-news | Looking at the #linuxfoundation report in #irc at #techrights http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-techrights-071221.html#tDec%2007%2000:36:32 | Dec 08 09:06 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IRC: #techrights @ Techrights IRC Network: Tuesday, December 07, 2021 | Dec 08 09:06 | |
| techrights-news | Following My Complaint, Protocols and Providers in the #NHS Are Changed http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2021/12/08/yorkshire-health-solutions-changes/ #uk #england #health | Dec 08 09:06 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com » Blog Archive » Following My Complaint, Protocols and Providers in the NHS Are Changed | Dec 08 09:06 | |
| schestowitz | [03:50] <leah> *we* need to take initiatives. don't leave it up to the leader. the leaders are all dead, dying or corrupt. we will replace them | Dec 08 09:09 |
| schestowitz | I would not phrase it like that | Dec 08 09:09 |
| schestowitz | but generally, yes... the young always replace the old. I'm still 39. | Dec 08 09:09 |
| schestowitz | [06:00] <leah> and what's the damore thing | Dec 08 09:09 |
| schestowitz | Did you not hear? | Dec 08 09:09 |
| schestowitz | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google%27s_Ideological_Echo_Chamber | Dec 08 09:09 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Google's Ideological Echo Chamber - Wikipedia | Dec 08 09:09 | |
| techrights-news | "Now, the reason I interested in gemini is that I'd like to understand and simplify my computing world as well as disentangle myself from the sticky surveillance web." https://lists.orbitalfox.eu/archives/gemini/2021/007658.html | Dec 08 09:15 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lists.orbitalfox.eu | [Off Topic] WiFi HaLow, Mesh, and Low Powered Devices | Dec 08 09:15 | |
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| techrights-news | ● NEWS ● #TechRepublic ☞ 4 RSS readers every Linux user should try https://www.techrepublic.com/article/rss-readers-linux-users/ | Dec 08 09:26 |
| -altlink_9ac/#techrights-📣 Cloudflare: techrepublic.com | 🙆 Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.techrepublic.com/article/rss-readers-linux-users/ | Dec 08 09:26 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-4 RSS readers every Linux user should try - TechRepublic | Dec 08 09:26 | |
| techrights-news | ● NEWS ● #TheVerge ☞ #5G now means some flights won’t be able to land when pilots can’t see the runway https://www.theverge.com/2021/12/7/22822875/5g-faa-rule-c-band-landing-airport-bad-weather-visibility | Dec 08 09:27 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theverge.com | 5G now means some flights won’t be able to land when pilots can’t see the runway - The Verge | Dec 08 09:27 | |
| leah | i hear nothing. i see nothing. i simply feel the world around me | Dec 08 09:32 |
| leah | and occasionally people feed me data on irc | Dec 08 09:33 |
| leah | thanks, i'll read https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google%27s_Ideological_Echo_Chamber now | Dec 08 09:33 |
| leah | my life is too worth living to care about other people's problems. unless they affect me, or i see other people's bullshit as world ending | Dec 08 09:33 |
| leah | similarly, that wikipedia article is a solid tl;dr | Dec 08 09:34 |
| leah | is it basically just some guy getting fired for being a dick to women? | Dec 08 09:35 |
| leah | (i skimmed it) | Dec 08 09:35 |
| leah | "free speech" yeah. i just read more of it. bullshit. you get employed at a company, you keep your head down and you do your job | Dec 08 09:36 |
| leah | imo | Dec 08 09:36 |
| leah | not worth anyone's time. but you know how the media is, how sensationalist it is, how it feeds on people's empathy and turns it against them | Dec 08 09:37 |
| leah | coming from an oppressed group of people myself, i kinda look at any criticism of diversity requirements in the workplace to be a solid nope | Dec 08 09:39 |
| leah | especially in tech | Dec 08 09:39 |
| leah | but people will draw their own conclusions. i don't care. if you're an asshole at work, you get fired. end of story | Dec 08 09:40 |
| leah | being kind to others and not questioning their right to exist is usually a better approach | Dec 08 09:40 |
| techrights-news | Got police records, added to http://techrights.org/2021/12/06/balabhadra-alex-graveley-arrest-warrant/ #github #copilot ... led by criminals. #microsoft #deletegithub | Dec 08 09:41 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Microsoft GitHub Exposé — Part IX — Microsoft’s Chief Architect of GitHub Copilot Sought to be Arrested One Day After Techrights Article About Him | Techrights | Dec 08 09:41 | |
| leah | if you're from a privileged group, you don't get to bitch about your "freedom of speech" when it relates to a policy designed to empower the very under-privileged group that you are not a part of and have no incentive to feel empathy for | Dec 08 09:42 |
| leah | i have now read the entire article | Dec 08 09:42 |
| leah | your thoughts? | Dec 08 09:43 |
| leah | from what i can tell, that dude deserved to be canned. and i hope he'll be more sensitive to others, in the future | Dec 08 09:44 |
| leah | "The memo and Google's subsequent dismissal of Damore in August 2017 became a subject of interest for the media. " | Dec 08 09:45 |
| leah | what media? which media companies | Dec 08 09:45 |
| leah | i can guess which ones :P | Dec 08 09:45 |
| Ariadne | fox news, newsmax, etc | Dec 08 09:50 |
| Ariadne | freedom of speech does not mean freedom of consequences | Dec 08 09:51 |
| leah | this | Dec 08 09:51 |
| Ariadne | if you write a manifesto to a diversity executive describing women as being biologically unfit to work in the tech industry, welp | Dec 08 09:51 |
| Ariadne | play stupid games, win stupid prizes | Dec 08 09:51 |
| leah | if i chew you up and spit you out for calling me a fag in #libreboot, your right to free speech is still intact. it's just that you've now earned my wrath | Dec 08 09:52 |
| activelow | i do not remember such an argument was ever made | Dec 08 09:52 |
| Ariadne | that was the primary thesis of the james damore manifesto | Dec 08 09:52 |
| activelow | i did read it, and do not remember he argued "unfit to work in tech"... | Dec 08 09:53 |
| activelow | Ariadne: citation? | Dec 08 09:53 |
| techrights-news | [Teaser] Meet Microsoft’s Chief Architect of #GitHub Copilot, Balabhadra (Alex) Graveley • Techrights ⚓ http://techrights.org/2021/12/08/balabhadra-alex-graveley-arrest-warrant-and-affidavit/ ䷉ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/12/08/balabhadra-alex-graveley-arrest-warrant-and-affidavit/ | Dec 08 09:53 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | [Teaser] Meet Microsoft’s Chief Architect of GitHub Copilot, Balabhadra (Alex) Graveley | Techrights | Dec 08 09:53 | |
| Ariadne | activelow: he cites simon cohen-baron, author of a totally debunked set of theories on this topic | Dec 08 09:57 |
| leah | i have a *really* easy solution for everyone | Dec 08 09:57 |
| leah | just be nice to others. and see other human beings as sentient lifeforms that want to help you and make the world a better place, just like you | Dec 08 09:57 |
| leah | stop arbitrarily separating people on meaningless criteria. equality guidelines in the workplace are a good thing | Dec 08 09:58 |
| leah | writing a paper that argues against such things takes effort | Dec 08 09:58 |
| leah | whereas being nice takes zero effort, and you might even make a friend | Dec 08 09:58 |
| leah | think about it | Dec 08 09:58 |
| leah | and those guidelines are usually woefully inadequate btw, in most workplaces | Dec 08 10:00 |
| leah | as in, they will completely miss out on many different demographics | Dec 08 10:00 |
| leah | for instance talking about making the workforce 50/50 men/women, but they'll make no mention of non-binary people, and continue to not hire non-binary people because they dressed funny at the interview | Dec 08 10:01 |
| Ariadne | tbh, employers requiring college education instead of actual demonstration of skills (like a portfolio of work) for tech jobs is the primary reason tech is a sausage fest | Dec 08 10:02 |
| schestowitz-TR | very true! | Dec 08 10:02 |
| leah | what is true schestowitz-TR, what i said or what Ariadne said? | Dec 08 10:02 |
| leah | (i also agree with what ariadne just said) | Dec 08 10:02 |
| schestowitz-TR | about formal ed versus skills/experience | Dec 08 10:02 |
| schestowitz-TR | it's encouraging diploma mills | Dec 08 10:03 |
| schestowitz-TR | same for :certs" | Dec 08 10:03 |
| Ariadne | it is intentional gatekeeping that is biased towards privileged men | Dec 08 10:03 |
| leah | my resume sucks | Dec 08 10:03 |
| schestowitz-TR | which sometimes just mean amecica-style questions | Dec 08 10:03 |
| leah | i actually wrote a cv as a joke once | Dec 08 10:03 |
| schestowitz-TR | and some weeks of memorising stuff | Dec 08 10:03 |
| leah | i'm unemployable | Dec 08 10:03 |
| schestowitz-TR | *American-style | Dec 08 10:03 |
| Ariadne | it's funny, i get companies emailing me to come work for them to help them manage their deployments of *things I wrote* | Dec 08 10:03 |
| leah | and yet i run circles around many of my peers | Dec 08 10:03 |
| leah | i've done things they don't even teach in university | Dec 08 10:03 |
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| Ariadne | and then they are like you have to have XYZ degree with XYZ GPA and blah blah | Dec 08 10:04 |
| leah | i could teach a class | Dec 08 10:04 |
| schestowitz | leah: read http://techrights.org/2021/11/29/teaching-cybersecurity/ | Dec 08 10:04 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Dr. Andy Farnell on Teaching Cybersecurity in an Age of ‘Fake Security’ | Techrights | Dec 08 10:04 | |
| Ariadne | like, you're reaching out to me, to do work for you, on things i've written that you use, but i have to prove my domain expertise? really? | Dec 08 10:04 |
| leah | and then some jackass writes a book about something completely inferior, and gets emmy buzz | Dec 08 10:05 |
| activelow | technology and science are in very bad shape | Dec 08 10:05 |
| activelow | unsustainable, clusterfucked beyond repair | Dec 08 10:05 |
| leah | Ariadne: and what you do is highly innovative and actually making a big difference in the world | Dec 08 10:06 |
| leah | alpine is amazing | Dec 08 10:06 |
| schestowitz | > Please redact the address and name of the victim for her safety. That is | Dec 08 10:06 |
| schestowitz | > her home address, not his. | Dec 08 10:06 |
| schestowitz | oops | Dec 08 10:06 |
| schestowitz | I forgot | Dec 08 10:06 |
| leah | ? | Dec 08 10:06 |
| schestowitz-TR | http://techrights.org/2021/12/08/balabhadra-alex-graveley-arrest-warrant-and-affidavit/ | Dec 08 10:06 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | [Teaser] Meet Microsoft’s Chief Architect of GitHub Copilot, Balabhadra (Alex) Graveley | Techrights | Dec 08 10:06 | |
| leah | anyway | Dec 08 10:06 |
| leah | people get worked up about the completely wrong things | Dec 08 10:07 |
| leah | schestowitz-TR: most "security" people are bullshit | Dec 08 10:07 |
| leah | i guess what you refer to as "fake security" | Dec 08 10:07 |
| leah | a certain person previously mentioned here rants about how libreboot on gm45 thinkpads lack a tpm, and regularly tweets about secureboot nonsense (which only signs the bootloader, and in a completely asinine way) | Dec 08 10:09 |
| leah | meanwhile, i'm telling people AHCI/SATA devices are potentially insecure due to the theoretically possibility of DMA attacks, telling them how to set up fully encrypted systems on USB flash drives, and showing them how to gpg-check their linux kernel at boot time | Dec 08 10:10 |
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| leah | and explaining to them why usb is safer, due to lack of dma, and how even if the usb host controller is malicious, all it can do is basically dd if=/dev/zero your data | Dec 08 10:10 |
| leah | if said data is encrypted | Dec 08 10:11 |
| leah | kinda the same principle as https as a defense against men in the middle attacks | Dec 08 10:11 |
| leah | and this, based on one evening with someone on #coreboot irc studying the AHCI spec | Dec 08 10:12 |
| leah | and finding an obscure paragraph in it | Dec 08 10:12 |
| leah | :P | Dec 08 10:12 |
| leah | all of this is on libreboot.org | Dec 08 10:13 |
| leah | and done out of boredom | Dec 08 10:13 |
| activelow | i am planning to drop GNU compiler, if possible, and replace it with pcc; to let the fsf know | Dec 08 10:14 |
| activelow | gcc is a monstrosity of vendor specific malicious extensions | Dec 08 10:14 |
| leah | well that's not important | Dec 08 10:14 |
| activelow | GCC is the #1 project of the FSF | Dec 08 10:14 |
| leah | use llvm | Dec 08 10:14 |
| activelow | certainly not | Dec 08 10:15 |
| leah | pcc? | Dec 08 10:15 |
| activelow | i fiddled for weeks, to cleanup the dependency graph already | Dec 08 10:15 |
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| leah | http://pcc.ludd.ltu.se/ right? | Dec 08 10:16 |
| activelow | yes, pcc the original *nix compiler | Dec 08 10:16 |
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| leah | interesting | Dec 08 10:16 |
| activelow | currently, i re-integrate gcc-4.7.4 into my gentoo-profile, with all c++ removed, as a first measure | Dec 08 10:16 |
| leah | sounds fun | Dec 08 10:17 |
| activelow | it is an awful hackjob | Dec 08 10:17 |
| leah | schestowitz-TR: "industry" is bullshit | Dec 08 10:17 |
| leah | the real work is done by people who get no recognition | Dec 08 10:17 |
| Ariadne | 90% of security industry is hoarding vulnerability data and not letting people get access to it | Dec 08 10:17 |
| schestowitz-TR | ^^ | Dec 08 10:18 |
| leah | if you want to get rich off of someone else's work, give them "exciting opportunities" and a company car | Dec 08 10:19 |
| leah | or better yet | Dec 08 10:19 |
| leah | download it from their git repository | Dec 08 10:20 |
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| leah | i've met tons of really cool people that get completely sequestered by that, and end up making the world worse | Dec 08 10:21 |
| leah | because their work is hoarded by their boss | Dec 08 10:21 |
| leah | activelow: what is your project? | Dec 08 10:21 |
| leah | that you are using pcc for | Dec 08 10:21 |
| activelow | leah: one idea is i can retain a 100% source-based workflow on low-power embedded systems | Dec 08 10:22 |
| activelow | before that, i removed c++ and all dependencies, and gcc-4.7.4 is the last known Gnu compiler which doesn't require c++ to bootstrap itself | Dec 08 10:23 |
| activelow | next, i'll replace gcc with pcc and see what breaks; and finally, i can drop gcc entirely (never merged llvm/clang) | Dec 08 10:24 |
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| activelow | furthermore, most free/opensource hardware is limited to low-power embedded | Dec 08 10:25 |
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| activelow | leah: however i do not think the gap from opensource software to fully opensource hardware can be bridged | Dec 08 10:26 |
| leah | why not? | Dec 08 10:26 |
| activelow | opensource hardware is mostly limited to gigatron ttl, z80 or mos6502 era systems | Dec 08 10:26 |
| activelow | which is, at best 16bit Unix | Dec 08 10:26 |
| leah | z80 can play alex kidd at least | Dec 08 10:27 |
| activelow | interesting sidenote: former kernel hacker Alan Cox departed into 16bit unix real, with FuzixOS | Dec 08 10:27 |
| leah | what do you think about riscv | Dec 08 10:27 |
| activelow | *realm | Dec 08 10:27 |
| activelow | leah: i won't touch risc-v | Dec 08 10:27 |
| leah | why not | Dec 08 10:27 |
| activelow | for both, political and practical reasons | Dec 08 10:27 |
| leah | and what do/will you touch | Dec 08 10:28 |
| activelow | risc-v requires backporting to compilers/kernel-versions which would be barely acceptable, if at all | Dec 08 10:28 |
| activelow | leah: j-core.org could be a better choice for 32bit unix, then PCC compiler supports various targets | Dec 08 10:28 |
| activelow | for some of them Verilog is available for FPGA deployment: sparc64 (sparc leon), mips, 68k; and the microcontrollers mentioned above | Dec 08 10:29 |
| activelow | although, i do not recommend any of them, there is problems with all of them | Dec 08 10:29 |
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| activelow | and the only system which may be truly 100% opensource and free is the gigatron ttl project | Dec 08 10:30 |
| activelow | needless to say, the gap between this type of open/free hardware and gnu/linux is gigantic | Dec 08 10:30 |
| leah | i see, so you aren't seeking any sort of nuance inbetween | Dec 08 10:31 |
| leah | you want to control every aspect | Dec 08 10:31 |
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| activelow | no, i only verify if it would at least be possible to do a review; of cause i cannot review and control everything, and i do not want to either | Dec 08 10:32 |
| leah | this is a bit heavy for me since i'm starting to feel the urge to take a nap | Dec 08 10:33 |
| leah | but what you're describing sounds cool | Dec 08 10:33 |
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| leah | interesting, i checked j-core.org at your recommendation | Dec 08 10:34 |
| leah | i've read about SuperH before | Dec 08 10:34 |
| techrights-news | #microsoft ... SO #woke ... hiring and thus protecting (from ARREST) men who repeatedly assault MULTIPLE women. Hiring them for TOP roles, IN SPITE of warnings from their victims http://techrights.org/2021/12/08/balabhadra-alex-graveley-arrest-warrant-and-affidavit/ | Dec 08 10:34 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | [Teaser] Meet Microsoft’s Chief Architect of GitHub Copilot, Balabhadra (Alex) Graveley | Techrights | Dec 08 10:34 | |
| leah | the context at the time was, a friend and i were laughing at a video of how the name is actually pronounced in japanese | Dec 08 10:35 |
| activelow | i do not explicitely recommend j-core.org; the SH2 ISA Verilog is available, however the devs could not deploy without malicious Xilinx tooling | Dec 08 10:35 |
| leah | and how it sounded similar to another word in that language which was a bit lewd (and also i'm interested in retro console stuff, and like to learn about those old machines. SuperH was used on the sega saturn right?) | Dec 08 10:36 |
| activelow | and j-core has another important advantage: gcc supported this ISA for decades | Dec 08 10:36 |
| activelow | linux kernel too does | Dec 08 10:36 |
| leah | i wish i could still find the video | Dec 08 10:40 |
| leah | something is compelling me to ask you: have you ever heard of a project called 86box? | Dec 08 10:40 |
| activelow | not yet leah | Dec 08 10:41 |
| leah | https://86box.net/ it's not related at all to what you're discussing, except i think you'd find this project very interesting | Dec 08 10:41 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-86box.net | 86Box | Emulator of retro x86-based machines | Dec 08 10:41 | |
| leah | as an academic exercise | Dec 08 10:41 |
| leah | it's not fpga stuff. it's a software-based x86 emulator. focusing on accuracy | Dec 08 10:42 |
| activelow | i think i prefer the gigatron for this type of studies | Dec 08 10:42 |
| leah | there's a recent fork of it called pcbox, which has pentium3 support with sse fully emulated | Dec 08 10:42 |
| leah | not verilog stuff though | Dec 08 10:42 |
| leah | but i find what you're working on cool too | Dec 08 10:43 |
| leah | well, the reason i bring up 86box/pcbox is because, in the future, i see the possibility of implementing completely accurate x86 systems on FPGA | Dec 08 10:43 |
| activelow | i won't touch any x86 | Dec 08 10:44 |
| activelow | waste of time and efforts | Dec 08 10:44 |
| leah | the emulator is quite competent. though due to its very nature, on even the latest hardware, it only runs the emulated machines at a few percent real time speed | Dec 08 10:44 |
| leah | well, older stuff is going to be full speed. newer stuff is very slow | Dec 08 10:44 |
| leah | yeah well, you're talking about that j-core site | Dec 08 10:44 |
| leah | and it's talking about fpga stuff | Dec 08 10:44 |
| activelow | i have absolutely zero interest in the Wintel platform | Dec 08 10:44 |
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| activelow | my favorite would be the gigatron, however i haven't got one yet, and before this i will finish some embedded-linux distro for personal use | Dec 08 10:45 |
| leah | there have been instances in the past where fpga's were literally made because emulators were very competent, and a good reference to describe how the systems function | Dec 08 10:45 |
| techrights-news | Proprietary | Dec 08 10:45 |
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| leah | e.g. MiSTER | Dec 08 10:45 |
| techrights-news | ● NEWS ● #ITWire #ProprietarySoftware ☞ Microsoft a big part of the cyber security problem: Proofpoint exec https://itwire.com/security/microsoft-a-big-part-of-the-cyber-security-problem-proofpoint-exec.html | Dec 08 10:45 |
| -altlink_9ac/#techrights-📣 Cloudflare: itwire.com | 🙆 Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://itwire.com/security/microsoft-a-big-part-of-the-cyber-security-problem-proofpoint-exec.html | Dec 08 10:45 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-iTWire - Microsoft a big part of the cyber security problem: Proofpoint exec | Dec 08 10:45 | |
| leah | i'd like to learn verilog, one day | Dec 08 10:45 |
| activelow | maybe, even this isn't necessary, the gigatron is build from ttl chips | Dec 08 10:46 |
| activelow | and most FPGA/Verilog/VHDL related tooling is malicious and proprietary | Dec 08 10:46 |
| leah | that name keeps triggering me and ive just realized why | Dec 08 10:46 |
| leah | in the videogame "Grand Theft Auto: Vice City" there's an advert on the in-game car radio, that talks about a computer gaming system called the gigatron | Dec 08 10:47 |
| activelow | and hardware too can be designed without verilog; with pencil and paper, down to the digital circuitry | Dec 08 10:47 |
| leah | i'm not making that up either | Dec 08 10:47 |
| activelow | including hazard free designs | Dec 08 10:47 |
| leah | i'm guessing your gigatron is real though | Dec 08 10:47 |
| leah | wait no | Dec 08 10:48 |
| leah | it's called degenatron | Dec 08 10:48 |
| activelow | it's not mine, there was two hackers in the netherlands who published it; just saying concerning opensource hardware and software FSF and affiliates could learn something | Dec 08 10:48 |
| leah | sorry lol | Dec 08 10:48 |
| activelow | leah: degenatron? | Dec 08 10:48 |
| leah | yeah sorry i got mixed up | Dec 08 10:49 |
| leah | i'm being stupid | Dec 08 10:49 |
| schestowitz-TR | not stupid | Dec 08 10:49 |
| schestowitz-TR | people appreciate your work | Dec 08 10:49 |
| leah | how does that appreciate to this lol | Dec 08 10:49 |
| techrights-news | ● NEWS ● #TheVerge #Privacy #Surveillance ☞ The vice president should not be using #Bluetooth headphones https://www.theverge.com/2021/12/7/22822431/kamala-harris-bluetooth-security-hacking-headphones | Dec 08 10:49 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theverge.com | The vice president should not be using Bluetooth headphones - The Verge | Dec 08 10:49 | |
| schestowitz-TR | leah: maybe a lack of sleep | Dec 08 10:50 |
| schestowitz-TR | I had sleep very late, 4-8:30am | Dec 08 10:50 |
| schestowitz-TR | afaik, you've been nocturnal today | Dec 08 10:50 |
| leah | activelow: schestowitz-TR https://invidious.osi.kr/watch?v=Qs7vQh06osg | Dec 08 10:50 |
| leah | lol | Dec 08 10:50 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-invidious.osi.kr | GTA Vice City - Degenatron Commercial - Invidious | Dec 08 10:50 | |
| schestowitz-TR | leah: good news, today (yes, today) we've migrated to gemtext for irc logs | Dec 08 10:51 |
| schestowitz | e.g. gemini://gemini.techrights.org/irc-gmi/irc-log-techbytes-071221.gmi | Dec 08 10:51 |
| leah | that is very neutral news, but a wonderful technical achievement | Dec 08 10:51 |
| leah | i still have gemtext support on todo for untitled | Dec 08 10:51 |
| leah | what i have in mind for untitled is very cursed, potentially | Dec 08 10:52 |
| leah | have you ever heard of a thing called a *dynamic* site generator? | Dec 08 10:52 |
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| leah | because i've invented it. in my head | Dec 08 10:52 |
| leah | i just need to implement it | Dec 08 10:52 |
| leah | >write pages in gemtext or markdown | Dec 08 10:53 |
| leah | >convert gemtext to markdown | Dec 08 10:53 |
| leah | >markdown to html, for web version of a site. with pandoc templates | Dec 08 10:53 |
| leah | now, so far what we have is a boring static site generator | Dec 08 10:53 |
| leah | now imagine you have a hidden section of your site, inaccessible to the public, but you can put server side code in it | Dec 08 10:54 |
| leah | and now imagine the static site generator can generate pages in many different extensions. including .php | Dec 08 10:54 |
| leah | and the markdown-written pages are generated into html | Dec 08 10:54 |
| leah | but, optionally, for a given page or set of pages, you can insert server side code | Dec 08 10:54 |
| Ariadne | idk who techrights pissed off today but i just had to block a shitload of udp traffic directed at it | Dec 08 10:54 |
| leah | untitled wouldn't do server side stuff | Dec 08 10:54 |
| leah | but you would use it with such a thing | Dec 08 10:55 |
| leah | e.g. php preprocessor | Dec 08 10:55 |
| leah | or whatever else you want to use | Dec 08 10:55 |
| leah | hybrid gemtext/markdown dynamic site generator | Dec 08 10:55 |
| leah | now tell me: | Dec 08 10:55 |
| leah | is this an abomination that you would put out of its misery | Dec 08 10:55 |
| leah | or do you think this idea is cool? | Dec 08 10:55 |
| leah | because i think it could really be amazing | Dec 08 10:55 |
| leah | >dynamic site generator | Dec 08 10:56 |
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| leah | the power and flexibility of writing a site in a simplified markup language | Dec 08 10:56 |
| leah | but with the html version having server side code for whatever you want to do | Dec 08 10:56 |
| leah | and | Dec 08 10:56 |
| leah | still write it in bash | Dec 08 10:56 |
| leah | 100% bash | Dec 08 10:56 |
| leah | i've already seen the code, in my head. writing it is on todo | Dec 08 10:57 |
| leah | of course, in this instance i don't think about gemini:// | Dec 08 10:57 |
| leah | i'm thinking of gemtext as simply an easier markup language, to be converted into html using pandoc. with an html template | Dec 08 10:57 |
| leah | but you could still design your site with gemini:// in mind too | Dec 08 10:58 |
| leah | schestowitz: can gemini do template stuff | Dec 08 10:58 |
| leah | like. you have pages. that are just documents for different topics | Dec 08 10:58 |
| leah | but then you have common header/navigation/footer | Dec 08 10:58 |
| leah | can gemini do that | Dec 08 10:58 |
| leah | or does every gemtext file have to link to each thing you want it to link to | Dec 08 10:58 |
| leah | i still haven't actually looked at gemini yet. but i've looked at the gemtext markup language itself | Dec 08 10:59 |
| leah | *dynamic* site generator | Dec 08 11:00 |
| leah | that can also be a normal static site generator. just don't put server side code in your site | Dec 08 11:00 |
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| leah | it wouldn't be very usable for, say, the next wordpress. but can be useful for forms and such | Dec 08 11:01 |
| schestowitz-TR | [10:58] <leah> but then you have common header/navigation/footer | Dec 08 11:01 |
| leah | in pandoc markdown, it's possible to still put html in the markdown file | Dec 08 11:01 |
| schestowitz-TR | yes, you can do loads of things | Dec 08 11:01 |
| leah | and pandoc will not touch it | Dec 08 11:01 |
| schestowitz-TR | one option is cat'ing things in | Dec 08 11:01 |
| leah | that's literally what untitled does | Dec 08 11:02 |
| schestowitz-TR | with a cron job that keeps the capsule up to date | Dec 08 11:02 |
| leah | more or less | Dec 08 11:02 |
| leah | tl;dr there is a happy medium between wordpress, and "static site generator" | Dec 08 11:02 |
| leah | and that's the dynamic site generator. and nobody has tried it yet i don't think | Dec 08 11:02 |
| schestowitz | gemini://gemini.techrights.org/git/tr-git/Gemini/ | Dec 08 11:03 |
| schestowitz | all the code | Dec 08 11:03 |
| schestowitz | updated from git repeatedly | Dec 08 11:03 |
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| schestowitz | gemini://gemini.techrights.org/irc-gmi/irc-log-techrights-071221.gmi | Dec 08 11:04 |
| leah | schestowitz: what's the deal anyway, are you going to ditch http altogether? | Dec 08 11:05 |
| schestowitz-TR | no | Dec 08 11:07 |
| schestowitz-TR | but we promote alternatives too | Dec 08 11:07 |
| schestowitz-TR | www is proprietary | Dec 08 11:08 |
| schestowitz-TR | DRM and chrome clones | Dec 08 11:08 |
| schestowitz-TR | many sites cannot be accessed with free browsers anymore | Dec 08 11:08 |
| schestowitz-TR | as in freedom-repsecting | Dec 08 11:08 |
| schestowitz-TR | not 'free spyware' | Dec 08 11:08 |
| schestowitz-TR | more and more people flock to gemini | Dec 08 11:08 |
| schestowitz-TR | since midnigh today 11k+ page requests in our gemini capsule | Dec 08 11:09 |
| schestowitz-TR | in gemini, hit typically means page | Dec 08 11:09 |
| schestowitz-TR | in www, hit can mean "fetch gif of bulletpoint from css file" | Dec 08 11:09 |
| schestowitz-TR | www is very bloated | Dec 08 11:10 |
| schestowitz-TR | and it encourages centralisation in a lot of ways | Dec 08 11:10 |
| schestowitz-TR | many people don't realise it | Dec 08 11:10 |
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| schestowitz-TR | unless you show them all the evidence and they go, "oh..." | Dec 08 11:10 |
| schestowitz-TR | now the www access is controlled by about 230 CAs | Dec 08 11:10 |
| schestowitz-TR | and if you're not 'authorised' by them, they will call you 'dark web' soon | Dec 08 11:11 |
| schestowitz-TR | and prevent people from even accessing the site | Dec 08 11:11 |
| schestowitz-TR | the other night DaemonFC showed that Zemlin's PAC now promotes Microsoft's and Bill's censorship initiatives | Dec 08 11:11 |
| schestowitz-TR | site blocking basicall | Dec 08 11:11 |
| schestowitz-TR | LF likes censorship | Dec 08 11:11 |
| schestowitz-TR | and paid by Microsoft to promote this | Dec 08 11:11 |
| DaemonFC | Yeah, and they'll push for Fakebook to use this. | Dec 08 11:12 |
| techrights-news | ● NEWS ● #TheVerge #Privacy #Surveillance ☞ #Twitter is testing changes to the way it handles reported tweets https://www.theverge.com/2021/12/7/22822878/twitter-testing-changes-report-tweet-abuse-suspicious-behavior | Dec 08 11:12 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theverge.com | Twitter is testing changes to the way it handles reported tweets - The Verge | Dec 08 11:12 | |
| schestowitz-TR | DaemonFC: fb already does it | Dec 08 11:12 |
| DaemonFC | Eventually it'll shadowban anything that doesn't come from Uncle Bill's sources, like the Grauniad and CNN. | Dec 08 11:12 |
| schestowitz-TR | you said the even warned you about stallman.org | Dec 08 11:12 |
| schestowitz-TR | with "legit" cert and all | Dec 08 11:12 |
| techrights-news | ● NEWS ● #IndiaTimes #Privacy #Surveillance ☞ #Facebook user data approach gets a major blow https://cio.economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/big-data/facebook-user-data-approach-gets-a-major-blow/88143610 | Dec 08 11:13 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-cio.economictimes.indiatimes.com | meta: Facebook user data approach gets a major blow, IT News, ET CIO | Dec 08 11:13 | |
| techrights-news | ● NEWS ● #IndiaTimes #Privacy #Surveillance ☞ #Germany chip chemical supplier to spend $1 billion in U.S., pairs with #Palantir on supply chain data https://cio.economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/corporate-news/german-chip-chemical-supplier-to-spend-1-billion-in-u-s-pairs-with-palantir-on-supply-chain-data/88156094 | Dec 08 11:13 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-cio.economictimes.indiatimes.com | semiconductor manufacturing: German chip chemical supplier to spend $1 billion in U.S., pairs with Palantir on supply chain data, IT News, ET CIO | Dec 08 11:13 | |
| DaemonFC | Yeah, but they do it with WGN too, on articles that promote forced "vaccination". | Dec 08 11:13 |
| schestowitz | leah: read http://techrights.org/2020/08/14/control-but-no-accountability/ | Dec 08 11:13 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | High-Level Criminals Associate Privacy With Crime Because They Want Privacy Only for Themselves (Control But No Accountability) | Techrights | Dec 08 11:13 | |
| DaemonFC | "Illinois: Jesse White (D) is retiring after six terms. However, since the secretary of state mostly manages state records and automobile services and does not run elections, this will not be a major target for either party. Several Democrats and two Republicans have filed nevertheless." | Dec 08 11:16 |
| schestowitz-TR | DaemonFC: vaccination is good | Dec 08 11:16 |
| DaemonFC | I don't agree. | Dec 08 11:16 |
| schestowitz-TR | but not this thing | Dec 08 11:16 |
| schestowitz-TR | and not this way | Dec 08 11:16 |
| DaemonFC | WIth the SoS thing. | Dec 08 11:16 |
| schestowitz-TR | they redefine antixvax | Dec 08 11:17 |
| schestowitz-TR | and they also redefine uvaccinated | Dec 08 11:17 |
| schestowitz-TR | to suit one particular product or patent pool | Dec 08 11:17 |
| schestowitz-TR | we should not accept this misuse of words | Dec 08 11:17 |
| DaemonFC | The Republicans should push for that because it's a chance to gut a hive of unionized "public workers" who draw massive state benefits, and contribute their union dues to the Democrats. | Dec 08 11:17 |
| DaemonFC | The DMV, of course. | Dec 08 11:17 |
| DaemonFC | They should push to make the employees redundant and get foot traffic down. Like Indiana did. | Dec 08 11:18 |
| DaemonFC | Licenses that expire every 7 years instead of 4 doesn't make a lot of difference to public safety, just as one license plate on the back of the car works just as well as plates on both sides. | Dec 08 11:19 |
| DaemonFC | The difference is we could eliminate nearly half the positions at the DMV and save a million dollars a year issuing front plates. | Dec 08 11:19 |
| leah | ooooh goodie. covid shit | Dec 08 11:20 |
| activelow | lol | Dec 08 11:20 |
| *leah will get back to her things | Dec 08 11:20 | |
| activelow | bye | Dec 08 11:20 |
| schestowitz-TR | 0/ | Dec 08 11:20 |
| leah | get your booster shot and enjoy your life | Dec 08 11:21 |
| schestowitz-TR | which booster? | Dec 08 11:21 |
| schestowitz-TR | 1st booster? | Dec 08 11:21 |
| schestowitz-TR | 2nd booster? | Dec 08 11:21 |
| schestowitz-TR | 1st booster booster? (5th) | Dec 08 11:21 |
| leah | in UK they're doing 3rd booster shots now | Dec 08 11:21 |
| schestowitz-TR | vaccines typically don't work this way | Dec 08 11:22 |
| schestowitz-TR | my sister in law just got moderna | Dec 08 11:22 |
| leah | yeah it's mRNA stuff | Dec 08 11:22 |
| schestowitz-TR | the arm and stuff swelled | Dec 08 11:22 |
| DaemonFC | "Steve Bullock, a Democrat who has won three statewide elections in very red Montana (AG + governor x2) and lost one (Senate), has written an op-ed in The New York Times telling Democrats to get out of their cities and meet with rural voters if they want to win elections. Simply conceding all rural voters to the Republicans is not a good idea because there simply aren't enough dependable urban voters to win elections consistently and in some | Dec 08 11:22 |
| DaemonFC | states there aren't enough under any conditions. But if Democrats would do a better job of talking to rural voters, they could win statewide in purple states and even in some cases in red states, as Bullock did three times. | Dec 08 11:22 |
| DaemonFC | His first point is that Democrats have a strong tendency to be condescending to rural voters and treat them as dumb yokels who don't understand how they should live and think, but who can be enlightened by woke urban Democrats who know how things truly are. That doesn't work. It really doesn't. If Democrats want to consistently win elections outside of deep blue states, they need to come to understand this." | Dec 08 11:22 |
| DaemonFC | It | Dec 08 11:22 |
| schestowitz-TR | same with her husband | Dec 08 11:22 |
| leah | i heard it described basically like ram in a computer | Dec 08 11:22 |
| schestowitz-TR | and they're about my age | Dec 08 11:22 |
| schestowitz-TR | not at risk of death | Dec 08 11:22 |
| DaemonFC | It's not the goal of trolls like Matt Goolag to convince anyone else their policies are right. | Dec 08 11:22 |
| leah | the vaccines wear off | Dec 08 11:22 |
| activelow | flu vaccination is scheduled once a year, with a new ingredient everytime | Dec 08 11:22 |
| schestowitz-TR | leah: all vaccines do | Dec 08 11:22 |
| DaemonFC | Matt Goolag is basically a Democrat Trump who just wants to "own" the other side. | Dec 08 11:22 |
| schestowitz-TR | but this one is very shitty | Dec 08 11:23 |
| leah | RNA stuff is only temporary and needs to be done every now and then. they're saying every year | Dec 08 11:23 |
| leah | like the flu shots | Dec 08 11:23 |
| schestowitz-TR | they need to improve | Dec 08 11:23 |
| activelow | they inject three strains at once, and next year one strain is swapped against another | Dec 08 11:23 |
| schestowitz-TR | but with patent pools and lots of money | Dec 08 11:23 |
| schestowitz-TR | 1) they don't need to improve | Dec 08 11:23 |
| leah | i get my booster soon | Dec 08 11:23 |
| schestowitz-TR | 2) financial incentive to keep this virus around | Dec 08 11:23 |
| schestowitz-TR | leah: I get vaccinated | Dec 08 11:23 |
| schestowitz-TR | not against it | Dec 08 11:23 |
| schestowitz-TR | the media redefined terms | Dec 08 11:24 |
| *leah will grab a booster cup of coffee | Dec 08 11:24 | |
| schestowitz-TR | haha | Dec 08 11:24 |
| schestowitz-TR | I cracked open a jar yesterday | Dec 08 11:24 |
| schestowitz-TR | after a week "off" caffeine | Dec 08 11:25 |
| leah | i really am grabbing coffee | Dec 08 11:25 |
| schestowitz-TR | we have BIG reports on EPO soon | Dec 08 11:25 |
| schestowitz-TR | and EU authorities take note | Dec 08 11:25 |
| DaemonFC | "With the exception of Obama, Democrats do have a tendency to not acknowledge that there are white working class or white poor people. I sometimes wonder if they actually forgot that they exist." | Dec 08 11:26 |
| DaemonFC | This. | Dec 08 11:26 |
| techrights-news | ● NEWS ● #IndiaTimes ☞ #Russia fines Gulag over content, bigger penalty looms https://cio.economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/government-policy/russia-fines-google-over-content-bigger-penalty-looms/88144802 | Dec 08 11:26 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-cio.economictimes.indiatimes.com | google: Russia fines Google over content, bigger penalty looms, IT News, ET CIO | Dec 08 11:26 | |
| DaemonFC | Democrats are seen by rural voters as the party that wants to put poor inner city blacks on welfare and keep them that way so they're hooked and just have to keep voting for a poverty trap with no way out. | Dec 08 11:27 |
| DaemonFC | Additionally, they see Democrats don't even talk about white poverty, at all. | Dec 08 11:27 |
| DaemonFC | This makes it easy to scream Fuck Joe Biden, because he's never talking about what to do about white poverty and how to bring jobs to the US, just endless poverty trap entitlement programs for inner cities. | Dec 08 11:28 |
| DaemonFC | Ones that have nothing to pay for them, and are causing horrendous inflation for people who don't qualify. | Dec 08 11:29 |
| DaemonFC | "I spent the first thirty years of my life in rural communities and know from personal experience that many country people are insular, narrow-minded, and unusually resistant to change. They trust their preachers more than their teachers. They see any kind of government assistance as a zero-sum game, i.e., if one group 'wins,' they lose." | Dec 08 11:30 |
| schestowitz-TR | DaemonFC: back to tech now | Dec 08 11:30 |
| schestowitz-TR | please | Dec 08 11:30 |
| DaemonFC | Well, oddly that's because it's how "public assistance" works. They set the income limits so low that anyone who works at all can't possibly get it, just pay for it. | Dec 08 11:30 |
| DaemonFC | The normal income limits for food stamps, pretty much cuts off anyone who works more than about half of full time at minimum wage in a blue state. | Dec 08 11:32 |
| DaemonFC | Nice way to cause resentment. | Dec 08 11:32 |
| DaemonFC | Illinois is fragmenting into micro-states, because the Democrats think they're going to come in and tell everyone how they'll live, and then prosecutors and city halls say "We're not going to enforce this.". | Dec 08 11:33 |
| DaemonFC | Or they realize they're going to have to let an abortion factory in, so they use zoning laws, and they refuse to bring FOID Act indictments to court unless you're like some kind of a kingpin they're throwing the book at anyway, etc. | Dec 08 11:34 |
| DaemonFC | It really makes people like Bill Gates mad when they want to control everyone and how they're allowed to think. | Dec 08 11:36 |
| DaemonFC | And then there's pushback from the ground up and new platforms they can't control. | Dec 08 11:36 |
| DaemonFC | And Stallman and Bill Gates agree about children a lot. | Dec 08 11:36 |
| DaemonFC | Not just that Epstein may have had some that "agreed", but that there should be more abortions because of some stupid bird that nobody heard about that may or may not be threatened with "climate change". | Dec 08 11:37 |
| DaemonFC | It wouldn't surprise me if Stallman promotes natrium reactors next. | Dec 08 11:38 |
| DaemonFC | Because the Grauniad says we need them. | Dec 08 11:38 |
| DaemonFC | This isn't activism. This is outsourcing thinking to corrupt fake news sources. | Dec 08 11:38 |
| schestowitz-TR | noise sources | Dec 08 11:39 |
| schestowitz-TR | lobbying | Dec 08 11:39 |
| schestowitz-TR | advertising | Dec 08 11:39 |
| schestowitz-TR | with degrees in english and history | Dec 08 11:39 |
| schestowitz-TR | doing assignements | Dec 08 11:39 |
| schestowitz-TR | "write this article about this [sponsors' stakeholding]" | Dec 08 11:39 |
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| DaemonFC | Yeah, CNN Underscored has a quota about how many product reviews you write per week. At least 5-8. | Dec 08 11:41 |
| techrights-news | [Teaser] Rape is Not a Joke • Techrights ⚓ http://techrights.org/2021/12/08/rape-not-a-joke/ ䷉ #Techrights #microsoft #github #deletegithub #NatFriedman | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/12/08/rape-not-a-joke/ | Dec 08 11:41 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | [Teaser] Rape is Not a Joke | Techrights | Dec 08 11:41 | |
| schestowitz-TR | DaemonFC: 'reviews' | Dec 08 11:41 |
| DaemonFC | So I wonder how people get any time with a product they "review" or if they just use talking points. | Dec 08 11:41 |
| schestowitz-TR | scare quotes | Dec 08 11:41 |
| schestowitz-TR | the web is webspam | Dec 08 11:41 |
| schestowitz-TR | web spamfarms | Dec 08 11:41 |
| schestowitz-TR | and we should call that out | Dec 08 11:42 |
| schestowitz-TR | you search for reviews on something you want to buy | Dec 08 11:42 |
| schestowitz-TR | google spams you with ads | Dec 08 11:42 |
| schestowitz-TR | and the search results are also ads | Dec 08 11:42 |
| schestowitz-TR | so it's ads and ads | Dec 08 11:42 |
| schestowitz-TR | and you buy based on ads, not info | Dec 08 11:42 |
| schestowitz-TR | go to gemini | Dec 08 11:42 |
| schestowitz-TR | web = mind cancel these days | Dec 08 11:42 |
| schestowitz-TR | too much PR and spam | Dec 08 11:42 |
| schestowitz-TR | even wikipedia got badly distorted | Dec 08 11:42 |
| schestowitz-TR | it's like a platform for PR firms to collaboratea | Dec 08 11:42 |
| schestowitz-TR | and those who edit and are not paid have their edited undone | Dec 08 11:43 |
| schestowitz-TR | because it's not their full-time job | Dec 08 11:43 |
| schestowitz-TR | esp. in particular areas and topics | Dec 08 11:43 |
| schestowitz-TR | the "high-prized" ones | Dec 08 11:43 |
| techrights-news | ● NEWS ● #TheEconomist #Energy ☞ [Cryptocurrency] #lobbying is going ballistic https://www.economist.com/finance-and-economics/2021/12/07/crypto-lobbying-is-going-ballistic | Dec 08 11:44 |
| -altlink_9ac/#techrights-📣 Cloudflare: economist.com | 🙆 Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.economist.com/finance-and-economics/2021/12/07/crypto-lobbying-is-going-ballistic | Dec 08 11:44 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Crypto lobbying is going ballistic | The Economist | Dec 08 11:44 | |
| DaemonFC | Beans and spam, spam and eggs, eggs, coffee and spam..... | Dec 08 11:44 |
| techrights-news | #Zuckerberg family devouring things for financial gain https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/zuckerberg-chan-invest-34b-science-advances-81613649 #lobbying #bribery #oligarchy | Dec 08 11:45 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-abcnews.go.com | Zuckerberg, Chan to invest up to $3.4B for science advances - ABC News | Dec 08 11:45 | |
| DaemonFC | spam spam spam spam!!!! | Dec 08 11:45 |
| techrights-news | ● NEWS ● #TheHill ☞ Language requiring companies to report cyberattacks left out of defense bill https://thehill.com/policy/cybersecurity/584774-language-requiring-companies-to-report-cyberattacks-left-out-of-defense | Dec 08 11:45 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Language requiring companies to report cyberattacks left out of defense bill | TheHill | Dec 08 11:45 | |
| DaemonFC | I always have some cans of spam around because you can do almost anything with it. | Dec 08 11:45 |
| techrights-news | ● NEWS ● #BroadbandBreakfast #Internet ☞ Critics Concerned Infrastructure Bill Money Will Go to Satellites, Harm Fiber Builds https://broadbandbreakfast.com/2021/12/critics-concerned-infrastructure-bill-money-will-go-to-satellites-harm-fiber-builds/ #grifting and plunder by opportunists with lobbyists, who buy the politicians | Dec 08 11:46 |
| -altlink_9ac/#techrights-📣 Cloudflare: broadbandbreakfast.com | 🙆 Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://broadbandbreakfast.com/2021/12/critics-concerned-infrastructure-bill-money-will-go-to-satellites-harm-fiber-builds/ | Dec 08 11:46 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-broadbandbreakfast.com | Critics Concerned Infrastructure Bill Money Will Go to Satellites, Harm Fiber Builds : Broadband Breakfast | Dec 08 11:46 | |
| schestowitz-TR | DaemonFC: military food | Dec 08 11:46 |
| DaemonFC | Soldiers in WWII got so tired of it because it was on the menu almost every day. | Dec 08 11:46 |
| techrights-news | ● NEWS ● #IndiaTimes #Monopolies ☞ U.S. says Nvidia-Arm deal harms market for networking, self-driving car chips https://cio.economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/government-policy/u-s-says-nvidia-arm-deal-harms-market-for-networking-self-driving-car-chips/88144638 | Dec 08 11:47 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-cio.economictimes.indiatimes.com | nvidia: U.S. says Nvidia-Arm deal harms market for networking, self-driving car chips, IT News, ET CIO | Dec 08 11:47 | |
| techrights-news | ● NEWS ● #Axios #Monopolies ☞ Scoop: Over 200 papers quietly sue Big Tech https://www.axios.com/1-local-newspapers-lawsuits-facebook-google-3c3dee3a-cce3-49ef-b0a2-7a98c2e15c91.html 'Big Tech' is an unhelpful term: http://techrights.org/2021/06/29/microsoft-behind-big-tech-narrative/ | Dec 08 11:47 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Over 200 newspapers now involved in quiet lawsuits v. Google, Facebook - Axios | Dec 08 11:47 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Microsoft is a Lot Worse Than Google, Amazon, Facebook, and Apple | Techrights | Dec 08 11:47 | |
| DaemonFC | Yes, it's cheap, it's stable (a can is good for about 10 years, and it's not objectionable, and can be cooked almost any way you want it. | Dec 08 11:47 |
| DaemonFC | It makes for a good military ration, although I hear they actually got worse. | Dec 08 11:48 |
| DaemonFC | Especially the vegetarian ones. | Dec 08 11:48 |
| DaemonFC | MREs are not meant to be gourmet dining, they're meant so you can have _something_ to eat even under the most difficult circumstances out in the field. | Dec 08 11:49 |
| DaemonFC | And they tend to include things like gum, basic medical supplies you can pocket for later, and toilet paper. | Dec 08 11:49 |
| DaemonFC | The medical kit tends to be different based on climate and what reason you'd have to use it. | Dec 08 11:50 |
| DaemonFC | For example, the emergency rations for downed fighter pilots has food, pain pills, and stimulants in case you end up in a situation where you have to keep moving and can't afford to fall asleep. | Dec 08 11:51 |
| DaemonFC | If you have people after you trying to kill you, staying up for a few days with stimulants is less dangerous. | Dec 08 11:51 |
| techrights-news | ● NEWS ● #Tor ☞ Responding to Tor #censorship in #Russia https://blog.torproject.org/tor-censorship-in-russia/ @XRevan86 #ru | Dec 08 11:53 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.torproject.org | Responding to Tor censorship in Russia | The Tor Project | Dec 08 11:53 | |
| DaemonFC | It's usually amphetamines, not caffeine. | Dec 08 11:53 |
| DaemonFC | Caffeine as a stay awake pill usually works to keep you going for a little while, but it's not long haul stuff. You get jittery and then crash. | Dec 08 11:53 |
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| techrights-news | ● NEWS ● #DemocracyNow #patent #patents ☞ As World Confronts MEGATRON Variant, Top 8 #Pfizer & #Moderna Investors Make $10 Billion in a Week https://www.democracynow.org/2021/12/7/pfizer_and_moderna_shareholders_profit | Dec 08 12:06 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.democracynow.org | As World Confronts Omicron Variant, Top 8 Pfizer & Moderna Investors Make $10 Billion in a Week | Democracy Now! | Dec 08 12:06 | |
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| techrights-news | "Funding Is Stalled" is NOT the problem. FUNDING is NOT the problem. The problem is the #patent #monopolies https://www.democracynow.org/2021/12/7/biden_omicron_variant_vaccine_stalls #patent #greed #monopoly | Dec 08 12:12 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.democracynow.org | U.S. Vowed to Help Prevent New Variants by Closing Global Vaccine Gap, But Plan’s Funding Is Stalled | Democracy Now! | Dec 08 12:12 | |
| techrights-news | #jeffreyepstein and Maxwell https://www.rawstory.com/ghislaine-maxwell-outsourced-acts-for-jeffrey-epstein-jury-hears/ while #billgates (the son of another Maxwell) tried to release Epstein from prison http://techrights.org/2020/09/28/non-denying-and-false-denials/ | Dec 08 12:14 |
| -altlink_9ac/#techrights-📣 Cloudflare: rawstory.com | 🙆 Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.rawstory.com/ghislaine-maxwell-outsourced-acts-for-jeffrey-epstein-jury-hears/ | Dec 08 12:14 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.rawstory.com | Ghislaine Maxwell outsourced sex acts for Jeffrey Epstein, jury hears - Raw Story - Celebrating 17 Years of Independent Journalism | Dec 08 12:14 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Speaking Through Spokespeople is a Sign of Weakness, Such as Non-Denying and False Denials (or: Bill Gates Never Denied His Connections to MIT Through Jeffrey Epstein) | Techrights | Dec 08 12:14 | |
| schestowitz | "... from our members, including OpenSSF’s premier members 1Password, AWS, Cisco, Citi, Dell Technologies, Ericsson, Meta, Fidelity, GitHub, Google, Huawei, Intel, IBM, JP Morgan Chase, Microsoft, Morgan Stanley, Oracle, Red Hat, Snyk, and VMWare." | Dec 08 12:21 |
| schestowitz | x https://linuxfoundation.org/blog/a-2021-linux-foundation-update-from-the%E2%80%AD-%E2%80%ACexecutive-director/ | Dec 08 12:21 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxfoundation.org | A 2021 Linux Foundation Update from the Executive Director - Linux Foundation | Dec 08 12:21 | |
| schestowitz | do we TRUST them? | Dec 08 12:21 |
| schestowitz | LF= monopolies incubation | Dec 08 12:21 |
| techrights-news | Over 200 Newspapers Quietly Sue Big Tech - SoylentNews ⚓ https://soylentnews.org/article.pl?sid=21/12/07/2252223 ䷉ #soylentnews ... do not say "Big Tech" ... you're helping #microsoft http://techrights.org/2021/06/29/microsoft-behind-big-tech-narrative/ | Dec 08 12:22 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-soylentnews.org | Over 200 Newspapers Quietly Sue Big Tech - SoylentNews | Dec 08 12:22 | |
| techrights-news | What’s the Difference Between #Git Switch and Checkout? • Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/158869 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines | Dec 08 12:27 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | What's the Difference Between Git Switch and Checkout? | Tux Machines | Dec 08 12:27 | |
| techrights-news | #freesw photo processing with #Darktable • Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/158870 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines | Dec 08 12:28 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Open source photo processing with Darktable | Tux Machines | Dec 08 12:28 | |
| techrights-news | Best #Freesw Alternatives to #Apple Final Cut Pro • Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/158871 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines | Dec 08 12:28 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Best Free and Open Source Alternatives to Apple Final Cut Pro | Tux Machines | Dec 08 12:28 | |
| techrights-news | Tender to optimize text layout performance for print and PDF export (#202112-01) • Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/158872 #libreoffice #opendocument #TuxMachines | Dec 08 12:29 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Tender to optimize text layout performance for print and PDF export (#202112-01) | Tux Machines | Dec 08 12:29 | |
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| techrights-news | ● NEWS ● #Shadowproof ☞ #Whistleblower #CraigMurray Speaks Out After Being Imprisoned In #Scotland Over Blog Posts https://shadowproof.com/2021/12/07/exclusive-interview-craig-murray-prison-scotland-blog-posts/ | Dec 08 12:48 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-shadowproof.com | Whistleblower Craig Murray Speaks Out After Imprisonment For Blog Posts | Dec 08 12:48 | |
| techrights-news | ● NEWS ● #TheNation #patent #patents #monopolies #profit ☞ New Corona Variants = More Deaths https://www.thenation.com/article/activism/new-corona-variants-more-deaths/ more variants = more profits too | Dec 08 12:50 |
| -altlink_9ac/#techrights-📣 Cloudflare: thenation.com | 🙆 Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.thenation.com/article/activism/new-corona-variants-more-deaths/ | Dec 08 12:50 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thenation.com | New Corona Variants = More Deaths | The Nation | Dec 08 12:50 | |
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| techrights-news | ● NEWS ● #TorrentFreak #copyright #copyrights #gulag ☞ #YouTube Processes 4 Million Content ID Claims Per Day, Transparency Report Reveals https://torrentfreak.com/youtube-processes-4-million-content-id-claims-per-day-transparency-report-reveals-211207/ | Dec 08 13:00 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-YouTube Processes 4 Million Content ID Claims Per Day, Transparency Report Reveals * TorrentFreak | Dec 08 13:00 | |
| techrights-news | ● NEWS ● #TorrentFreak #copyright #copyrights ☞ #GaryBowser Agrees to Pay $10 Million in Piracy Damages to #Nintendo https://torrentfreak.com/gary-bowser-agrees-to-pay-10-million-in-piracy-damages-to-nintendo-211207/ | Dec 08 13:01 |
| -altlink_9ac/#techrights-📣 Cloudflare: torrentfreak.com | 🙆 Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://torrentfreak.com/gary-bowser-agrees-to-pay-10-million-in-piracy-damages-to-nintendo-211207/ | Dec 08 13:01 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Gary Bowser Agrees to Pay $10 Million in Piracy Damages to Nintendo * TorrentFreak | Dec 08 13:01 | |
| techrights-news | ● NEWS ● #EFF ☞ First Circuit Affirms School's Punishment of Students for Online #SocialcontrolMedia Posts https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2021/12/first-circuit-affirms-schools-punishment-students-online-social-media-posts | Dec 08 13:02 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.eff.org | First Circuit Affirms School's Punishment of Students for Online Social Media Posts | Electronic Frontier Foundation | Dec 08 13:02 | |
| techrights-news | ● NEWS ● #EFF ☞ Pay a Hacker, Save a Life https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2021/12/pay-hacker-save-life witth #microsoft , #hospitals pay crackers, too (because people are dying) http://techrights.org/2020/06/09/windows-disaster-zones/ | Dec 08 13:04 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.eff.org | Pay a Hacker, Save a Life | Electronic Frontier Foundation | Dec 08 13:04 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Index of the Series About Windows Inside Hospitals (Causing Hospitals to Become Disaster Zones) | Techrights | Dec 08 13:04 | |
| techrights-news | ● NEWS ● #CommonDreams #Finance ☞ Richest 1% Took 38% of New Global Wealth Since 1995. The Bottom Half Got Just 2% https://www.commondreams.org/news/2021/12/07/richest-1-took-38-new-global-wealth-1995-bottom-half-got-just-2 | Dec 08 13:07 |
| -altlink_9ac/#techrights-📣 Cloudflare: commondreams.org | 🙆 Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.commondreams.org/news/2021/12/07/richest-1-took-38-new-global-wealth-1995-bottom-half-got-just-2 | Dec 08 13:07 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.commondreams.org | Richest 1% Took 38% of New Global Wealth Since 1995. The Bottom Half Got Just 2% | Dec 08 13:07 | |
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| techrights-news | #Openhardware smartphone #PinePhone Pro starts to ship • Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/158873 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines | Dec 08 13:33 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Open hardware smartphone PinePhone Pro starts to ship | Tux Machines | Dec 08 13:33 | |
| SomeH4x0r | iirc this "open hardware" has locked bootloader | Dec 08 13:33 |
| techrights-news | #Google #Android Leftovers • Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/158874 #Linux #TuxMachines | Dec 08 13:34 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Android Leftovers | Tux Machines | Dec 08 13:34 | |
| psydroid2 | locked bootloader? | Dec 08 13:34 |
| psydroid2 | not something like mainline u-boot? | Dec 08 13:34 |
| psydroid2 | https://wiki.pine64.org/wiki/Uboot | Dec 08 13:35 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-wiki.pine64.org | Uboot - PINE64 | Dec 08 13:35 | |
| SomeH4x0r | nvm, it was Fairphone | Dec 08 13:36 |
| SomeH4x0r | Pinephone is ok then | Dec 08 13:37 |
| techrights-news | #AlexGraveley , a serial abuser, has been protected by #Microsoft ; what does that say about Microsoft and about #NatFriedman , GitHub’s CEO whom Alex considers his "best friend"? Stay tuned as we have plenty more to show http://techrights.org/2021/12/08/balabhadra-alex-graveley-arrest-warrant-and-affidavit/ #github #deletegithub | Dec 08 13:37 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | [Teaser] Meet Microsoft’s Chief Architect of GitHub Copilot, Balabhadra (Alex) Graveley | Techrights | Dec 08 13:37 | |
| techrights-news | Having just uploaded a police report (more here and here), we’re starting to move the ongoing series to the next phase, which will still be — for the most part — weekly installments on Mondays (for months to come) http://techrights.org/2021/12/08/rape-not-a-joke/ #microsoft #github #rapeJokes #deletegithub #predators | Dec 08 13:38 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | [Teaser] Rape is Not a Joke | Techrights | Dec 08 13:38 | |
| techrights-news | ● NEWS ● #RaspberryPi #RasPi #GNU #Linux #HEYHIHEYHIHEYHIHEYHIHEYHIHEYHIHEYHIHEYHI ☞ Snapshots from the history of AI, plus AI education resources https://www.raspberrypi.org/blog/machine-learning-education-snapshots-history-ai-hello-world-12/ | Dec 08 13:40 |
| -altlink_9ac/#techrights-📣 Cloudflare: raspberrypi.org | 🙆 Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.raspberrypi.org/blog/machine-learning-education-snapshots-history-ai-hello-world-12/ | Dec 08 13:40 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.raspberrypi.org | Snapshots from the history of AI, plus AI education resources - Raspberry Pi | Dec 08 13:40 | |
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| schestowitz | Fairphone is not about freedom | Dec 08 13:47 |
| schestowitz | it uses another f word | Dec 08 13:47 |
| schestowitz | and it is mostly about tackling ewaste | Dec 08 13:47 |
| schestowitz | important, but not the same cause | Dec 08 13:47 |
| techrights-news | SolidRun unveils Sitara AM6442 SoM, HummingBoard-T AM64x carrier boards http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/158858#comment-32004 | Dec 08 13:54 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Compute module and Hummingboard-T SBC showcase safety-conscious TI AM64x | Tux Machines | Dec 08 13:54 | |
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| psydroid2 | "We are the Microsoft Borg and we do Security(TM)" | Dec 08 14:46 |
| psydroid2 | https://www.microsoft.com/security/blog/2021/12/07/new-Secured-core-servers-are-now-available-from-the-microsoft-ecosystem-to-help-secure-your-infrastructure/ | Dec 08 14:46 |
| -altlink_9ac/#techrights-📣 Cloudflare: microsoft.com | 🙆 Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.microsoft.com/security/blog/2021/12/07/new-Secured-core-servers-are-now-available-from-the-microsoft-ecosystem-to-help-secure-your-infrastructure/ | Dec 08 14:46 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-New Secured-core servers are now available from the Microsoft ecosystem to help secure your infrastructure - Microsoft Security Blog | Dec 08 14:46 | |
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| techrights-news | ● NEWS ● #CommonDreams ☞ Amnesty Scorecard Finds #Twitter Failing to Protect Women From Online Abuse https://www.commondreams.org/news/2021/12/07/amnesty-scorecard-finds-twitter-failing-protect-women-online-abuse #socialcontrolmedia is, in general, toxic crap. Sometimes Twitter SILENCES the VICTIMS. | Dec 08 15:18 |
| -altlink_9ac/#techrights-📣 Cloudflare: commondreams.org | 🙆 Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.commondreams.org/news/2021/12/07/amnesty-scorecard-finds-twitter-failing-protect-women-online-abuse | Dec 08 15:18 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.commondreams.org | Amnesty Scorecard Finds Twitter Failing to Protect Women From Online Abuse | Dec 08 15:18 | |
| techrights-news | ● NEWS ● #Techdirt ☞ #Verizon Once Again Expands Its Snoopvertising Ambitions https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20211206/06064048057/verizon-once-again-expands-snoopvertising-ambitions.shtml | Dec 08 15:22 |
| -altlink_9ac/#techrights-📣 Cloudflare: techdirt.com | 🙆 Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20211206/06064048057/verizon-once-again-expands-snoopvertising-ambitions.shtml | Dec 08 15:22 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Verizon Once Again Expands Its Snoopvertising Ambitions | Techdirt | Dec 08 15:22 | |
| MinceR | https://pleated-jeans.com/2021/12/03/tweets-of-the-week-12-03-21/ | Dec 08 15:28 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-pleated-jeans.com | 25 Tweets Everyone Should've Read This Week | Dec 08 15:28 | |
| techrights-ipfs-bot | ▕ IPFS downstream, 60 mins: ▂▃▂▂▂▁▂▁▁▅▃▃▃▁▁▂▄▂▂▁▁▁▄▁▂▂▁▂▂▂▃▁▁▁▁ avg(k/sec) 7.33 ▕ IPFS upstream: ▁▂▁▁▁█▁██▃██▁▁█▂█▁▂█▁█▁▁▁▁▁▁▁██▁▁ avg(k/sec) 135.91▕ swarm size (avg): 254.29 ⟲ | Dec 08 15:30 |
| techrights-news | ● NEWS ● #Techdirt ☞ #SpaceX Engine Production Woes Could Screw Up Musk's #Starlink Broadband Play https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20211201/06515248031/space-x-engine-production-woes-could-screw-up-musks-starlink-broadband-play.shtml see what a grifter and #fraud #elonmusk is https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dkix4UzEbjU | Dec 08 15:31 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Space X Engine Production Woes Could Screw Up Musk's Starlink Broadband Play | Techdirt | Dec 08 15:31 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Why I Hate Elon Musk - YouTube | Dec 08 15:31 | |
| techrights-news | Stephane Bortzmeyer #of GeminiProtocol fame: "When we say that the Web is too complicated... It has actual consequences, and not only the fact that writing a #Webbrowser is a task now reserved to a small #oligarchy . Here, there are #security consequences in CSS' richness" https://lists.orbitalfox.eu/archives/gemini/2021/007659.html | Dec 08 15:43 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lists.orbitalfox.eu | [Tech] The security consequences of the Web complexity | Dec 08 15:43 | |
| techrights-news | #mozilla is #gulag (Google) incubator. #linuxfoundation is GAFAM+IBM+Intel (the Is) incubator. They do there what it more useful for them to do via subsidiaries and front groups. DO NOT BE MISLED. KNOW WHAT THEY TRULY ARE....... and... if you want PROOF, then follow the MONEY. It's simple. | Dec 08 15:44 |
| techrights-news | #Microsoft #GitHub Exposé — Part X will be released/published Monday. Now things are starting to get hot -- boiling even -- for Microsoft. #techrights #expose | Dec 08 15:47 |
| techrights-news | This week #linuxfoundation is in 'damage control' mode. Curiously enough two unusual puff pieces released a day after http://techrights.org/2021/12/06/jim-zemlin-cancels-himself/ and http://techrights.org/2021/12/06/linux-foundation-irs/ | Dec 08 15:47 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Jim Zemlin Has Deleted All of His Tweets | Techrights | Dec 08 15:47 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | No Linux Foundation IRS Disclosures Since 2018 | Techrights | Dec 08 15:47 | |
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| techrights-news | We did not write this: " #Techrights deals with a variety of issues that affect our everyday computing. It works by addressing particular subjects that need to be better understood and thus resolved." https://muckrack.com/media-outlet/techrights | Dec 08 15:49 |
| -altlink_9ac/#techrights-📣 Cloudflare: muckrack.com | 🙆 Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://muckrack.com/media-outlet/techrights | Dec 08 15:49 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-muckrack.com | Techrights.org: Contact Information, Journalists, and Overview | Muck Rack | Dec 08 15:49 | |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Went to look what "acai" means, found out it's "açai", and it's a palm tree and its fruit. | Dec 08 15:50 |
| Techrights-sec | Yep. Saw the message and the post to which it links. | Dec 08 15:50 |
| Techrights-sec | Complexity is bad all around. | Dec 08 15:50 |
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| techrights-news | Proprietary waste of energy; pass along the heatsink https://linuxhint.com/nvidia-ansel/ | Dec 08 15:53 |
| -altlink_9ac/#techrights-📣 Cloudflare: linuxhint.com | 🙆 Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://linuxhint.com/nvidia-ansel/ | Dec 08 15:53 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxhint.com | What is Nvidia Ansel? | Dec 08 15:53 | |
| techrights-news | Tech 101: just because technology CAN do something does not mean it SHOULD be done. As with many other things in life... #techrights #balance #reason | Dec 08 15:54 |
| Techrights-sec | The complexity is also used intentionally. | Dec 08 15:55 |
| Techrights-sec | In most cases it is cultivated and does not happen purely by accident. | Dec 08 15:55 |
| schestowitz-TR | at some point or at some level, increasing complexity is, in its own right, vendor lockin. IBM and Microsoft master this. Oops, I said master... | Dec 08 15:55 |
| Techrights-sec | yes, systemd has been about using complexity to circumvent the freedom and | Dec 08 15:58 |
| Techrights-sec | decommoditize the OS | Dec 08 15:58 |
| Techrights-sec | I'm starting to consider that many other projects are like that, many | Dec 08 15:58 |
| Techrights-sec | choose that route on purpose to promote lock-in of sorts. | Dec 08 15:58 |
| schestowitz | Another VERY important factor is 1) VERY frequent (and BUGGY) releases; 2) keep the forkers too busy, always with yesterday's bug-infested build 3) users are neglected, collateral damage for vendors' own ambitions | Dec 08 15:59 |
| schestowitz | EasyOS's barry has a blog and he shows what level of complexity integration for a gnu/linux distro nowadays entails, with Web browsers that can take a day to compile and rarely compile, so it takes days of trial and error. librewolf still has some rough edges. | Dec 08 15:59 |
| schestowitz-TR | activelow: of relevance to your work | Dec 08 16:01 |
| schestowitz-TR | you study this more closely than most/all of us | Dec 08 16:01 |
| Techrights-sec | There was an article a while back, a year or two maybe, about how it is now | Dec 08 16:02 |
| Techrights-sec | more or less impossible to create a new web browser rendering engine due | Dec 08 16:02 |
| Techrights-sec | to the complexity of the specs combined with their dynamic state as a moving | Dec 08 16:02 |
| Techrights-sec | target. | Dec 08 16:02 |
| schestowitz-TR | I remember | Dec 08 16:02 |
| schestowitz-TR | there was something else I wanted to say about vendor lockin through complexiity, but I forgot what it was while typing. I think it merits a carefully written essay, if people still appreciate these at all in the age of tl;dr social control media | Dec 08 16:03 |
| techrights-news | Feed society violence as entertainment, then wonder why people get violent? https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2021/12/anger-foot-gets-more-insane-in-the-latest-update/ | Dec 08 16:04 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Anger Foot gets more insane in the latest update | GamingOnLinux | Dec 08 16:04 | |
| Techrights-sec | +1, it needs careful consideration to avoid triggering systemd fanbois, | Dec 08 16:05 |
| Techrights-sec | among other lobbyists for large multinational corporations. | Dec 08 16:05 |
| schestowitz-TR | there are many REGULAR systemd apologists in Twitter stalking the hashtag and targeting people who criticise it | Dec 08 16:05 |
| techrights-news | "A classic from #BlendoGames , a short video-game story Thirty Flights of Loving received a 9 year anniversary upgrade and it came along with a fresh #GNU #Linux port from Ethan Lee." https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2021/12/thirty-flights-of-loving-gets-a-9-year-update-including-new-linux-support | Dec 08 16:06 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Thirty Flights of Loving gets a 9 year update including new Linux support | GamingOnLinux | Dec 08 16:06 | |
| techrights-news | "The developer mentioned that if you're interested in future #GNU #Linux play-testing, game development and design related discussion you can join their Discord." https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2021/12/where-birds-go-to-sleep-is-an-upcoming-narrative-adventure-with-a-striking-painted-style | Dec 08 16:08 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Where Birds Go to Sleep is an upcoming narrative adventure with a striking painted style | GamingOnLinux | Dec 08 16:08 | |
| Techrights-sec | That's the kind of behavior that got it into Debian and Fedora in the first place | Dec 08 16:10 |
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| schestowitz-TR | like mono ;-) | Dec 08 16:10 |
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| Techrights-sec | that one too. Ad Hominem is rather cost effective and if it fails, the | Dec 08 16:16 |
| Techrights-sec | large corporations did it by proxy anyway. Despite de Icaza working to | Dec 08 16:16 |
| Techrights-sec | advance M$ agenda all day every day for years, there were still denialists | Dec 08 16:16 |
| activelow | schestowitz-TR: i will remove all modern browsers; only gemini, lynx/links, and netsurf-gtk (if possible) will remain | Dec 08 16:18 |
| schestowitz-TR | +1 | Dec 08 16:20 |
| schestowitz-TR | we need more people to 'rebel' like this | Dec 08 16:21 |
| schestowitz-TR | and open up the physical banks | Dec 08 16:21 |
| schestowitz-TR | if you can open football stadiums | Dec 08 16:21 |
| schestowitz-TR | then you can open a goddamn bank | Dec 08 16:21 |
| Techrights-sec | ack | Dec 08 16:21 |
| activelow | the cross-compilation toolchain and firmware image for arm32 with gcc-4.7.4 is almost finished | Dec 08 16:21 |
| activelow | cannot confirm yet of the aarch64 SBC i got here will boot with a 32bit arm kernel | Dec 08 16:22 |
| activelow | *if | Dec 08 16:22 |
| schestowitz-TR | the quality and relevance of spamnil's video is reaching the verge of the ludicrous | Dec 08 16:22 |
| schestowitz-TR | I worry that writing about it or doing a video will give him more attention than he gets in a normal week | Dec 08 16:23 |
| schestowitz-TR | I am increasingly suspicious that the LF fluff this week was a direct response to our IRS article, which struck a nerve | Dec 08 16:24 |
| schestowitz-TR | maybe the IRS started an investigation into their status already | Dec 08 16:24 |
| activelow | and i am hoping for PCC as system compiler won't break anything which cannot be repaired | Dec 08 16:24 |
| schestowitz-TR | so they need to 'justify' themselves | Dec 08 16:24 |
| activelow | this woul db extremely cool, if PCC was 5x-10x faster | Dec 08 16:24 |
| activelow | i was thinking to support RPI3 and RPI4, although i won't use such myself | Dec 08 16:25 |
| activelow | imagine this, if a 100% source based workflow then, on RPI3 or RPI4 was as powerful and fast as with a modern 8core workstation | Dec 08 16:25 |
| Techrights-sec | $ gcc --version | head -n 1 | Dec 08 16:26 |
| Techrights-sec | gcc (Debian 11.2.0-10) 11.2.0 | Dec 08 16:26 |
| Techrights-sec | from Devuan | Dec 08 16:26 |
| activelow | it's ok, however i reject the vendor lock-in to GNU/FSF/gcc | Dec 08 16:27 |
| activelow | i've had enough when g++ hit OOM regularly | Dec 08 16:27 |
| activelow | if g++ and all c++ dependencies are removed, then a RPI3 with 1GiB of RAM should suffice for a 100% source-based workflow | Dec 08 16:28 |
| Techrights-sec | Speaking of complexity and job security through complexity, I have been | Dec 08 16:28 |
| Techrights-sec | trying to get some data published under a CC license but the format is | Dec 08 16:28 |
| Techrights-sec | well documented but so over engineered and convoluted that it has been faster | Dec 08 16:28 |
| Techrights-sec | and easier to reverse engineer it. I've made no progress with the official | Dec 08 16:28 |
| Techrights-sec | documentation in hours. | Dec 08 16:28 |
| schestowitz-TR | I shall watch LF closely this month | Dec 08 16:29 |
| schestowitz-TR | spamnil still needs to be watched for me to understand what LF is shilling | Dec 08 16:29 |
| schestowitz-TR | they commandeer him | Dec 08 16:29 |
| Techrights-sec | Keep ignoring him. Laughing at him will give him clicks if only out of curiosity | Dec 08 16:30 |
| Techrights-sec | I have refrained from doing so and admonish others to do the same. | Dec 08 16:30 |
| Techrights-sec | It's quite possible. The IRS hates FOSS oriented charities with a vengance, | Dec 08 16:30 |
| Techrights-sec | according to the guy who ran LinuxFest SouthEast. However, the IRS are M$ | Dec 08 16:30 |
| Techrights-sec | boosters, so an investigation could go either way. | Dec 08 16:30 |
| Techrights-sec | An audit would do them good though. | Dec 08 16:30 |
| Techrights-sec | As you pointed out there have been no figures posted for three years now. | Dec 08 16:30 |
| Techrights-sec | activelow: Is PCC still being developed? | Dec 08 16:31 |
| activelow | Techrights-sec: good question. it's stable with support for C99, and OpenBSD reported success on i386 in 2007. | Dec 08 16:32 |
| Techrights-sec | That's ok if it is just one person but not more... | Dec 08 16:32 |
| Techrights-sec | maybe yewtube hits don't count ... | Dec 08 16:32 |
| schestowitz-TR | usually I do not even click any actual video, it's merely an 'alta vista' and his RSS feed for his site | Dec 08 16:33 |
| activelow | i will report my findings, first i need to downgrade from aarch64 to arm32, and gcc-4.7.4; remove all c++ which was missed | Dec 08 16:33 |
| Techrights-sec | ack | Dec 08 16:33 |
| techrights-news | #Gentoo -Based Calculate Linux 22 Released with PipeWire, Improved System Updates • Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/158875 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines | Dec 08 16:39 |
| techrights-news | #Games: Surviving Mars, TFC: The Fertile Crescent, and More • Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/158876 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines | Dec 08 16:39 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Gentoo-Based Calculate Linux 22 Released with PipeWire, Improved System Updates | Tux Machines | Dec 08 16:40 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Games: Surviving Mars, TFC: The Fertile Crescent, and More | Tux Machines | Dec 08 16:41 | |
| techrights-news | " #Perl Club starts to translate Japanese Perl Tutorial to English. Yuki Kimoto is one of the Perl Messengers. #PerlClub decides to write all articles English at first." http://blogs.perl.org/users/yuki_kimoto/2021/12/javascript-supported-web-scraping-using-perl-and-selenium.html #programming | Dec 08 16:43 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-JavaScript Supported Web Scraping using Perl and Selenium | Yuki Kimoto Perl Blog [blogs.perl.org] | Dec 08 16:43 | |
| techrights-news | Recently, #tuxmachines and #techrights quit syndicating #javascript news and tips unless they're limited to and specific to #gnu #linux ... nothing personal, but #electron junk and so-called 'Web' browsers aren't something we should encourage | Dec 08 16:45 |
| techrights-news | Today’s #HowTos | #UNIX • Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/158877 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines | Dec 08 16:45 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's howtos | Tux Machines | Dec 08 16:45 | |
| MinceR | XRevan86: and with correct spelling, it's pronunciation is entirely unsurprising | Dec 08 16:47 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: English has a way with spelling. | Dec 08 16:52 |
| XRevan86 | It keeps foreign spelling as-is, but discards diacritics. | Dec 08 16:52 |
| XRevan86 | So if a foreign language uses digraphs (or trigraphs), English will just import them as-is. | Dec 08 16:53 |
| XRevan86 | But if diacritics, then it's just a good-bye. | Dec 08 16:53 |
| MinceR | i thought i saw diacritics in foreign words in english | Dec 08 16:53 |
| MinceR | hungarian is officially supposed to discard them from names, luckily not everyone follows the rule, so sometimes names are still recognizable | Dec 08 16:54 |
| techrights-news | A Call for Sources and Whistleblowers From Microsoft’s #GitHub • Techrights ⚓ http://techrights.org/2021/12/08/microsoft-github-whistleblowers/ ䷉ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/12/08/microsoft-github-whistleblowers/ | Dec 08 16:55 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: English has two norms: with diacritics in tact (piñata) and without (pinata) | Dec 08 16:56 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | A Call for Sources and Whistleblowers From Microsoft’s GitHub | Techrights | Dec 08 16:56 | |
| MinceR | :> | Dec 08 16:56 |
| XRevan86 | Russian always respells. I wonder why Latin-alphabet-based languages almost never respell. | Dec 08 16:58 |
| XRevan86 | Even words from other Cyrillic-based languages are respelled, because otherwise the result would just be wrong. | Dec 08 16:59 |
| MinceR | they wouldn't be wrong, you'd just need to know a bit from the language that word is in :> | Dec 08 17:00 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Right… | Dec 08 17:01 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: But then how would I type in letters like ђ, џ ? | Dec 08 17:03 |
| MinceR | :> | Dec 08 17:03 |
| MinceR | copy/paste the whole word :> | Dec 08 17:03 |
| kingoffrance | saturn is a letter? :D | Dec 08 17:05 |
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| techrights-news | BREXIT: "It's so easy to pretend it's all about the CRAZY BRITS" - Irish MEP Clare Daly https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VPyYuF_CY3o #brexit #eu #uk #ireland #europe | Dec 08 17:07 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-BREXIT: "It's so easy to pretend it's all about the CRAZY BRITS" - Irish MEP Clare Daly - YouTube | Dec 08 17:07 | |
| techrights-news | "She is a long-standing atheist, though her brother and an uncle are both Catholic priests" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clare_Daly good MEP: http://techrights.org/2021/12/07/clare-daly-on-epo/ | Dec 08 17:10 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Clare Daly - Wikipedia | Dec 08 17:10 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Clare Daly (GUE/NGL) Does What Every Public Official in Europe Should Have Done About EPO Shenanigans | Techrights | Dec 08 17:10 | |
| techrights-news | #ZorinOS 16 Celebrates More Than 1 Million Downloads with Lite Edition • Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/158878 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines | Dec 08 17:10 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Zorin OS 16 Celebrates More Than 1 Million Downloads with Lite Edition | Tux Machines | Dec 08 17:11 | |
| techrights-news | #ZorinOS 16 Lite Edition is Finally Here • Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/158879 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines | Dec 08 17:11 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Zorin OS 16 Lite Edition is Finally Here | Tux Machines | Dec 08 17:11 | |
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| schestowitz-TR | mib_2cx4w1: hi | Dec 08 17:15 |
| *DaemonFC (~daemonfc@ddstkmbt93p8q.irc) has joined #techrights | Dec 08 17:20 | |
| schestowitz-TR | hi, DaemonFC | Dec 08 17:20 |
| schestowitz-TR | welcome back to the trashcan | Dec 08 17:20 |
| DaemonFC | hello | Dec 08 17:20 |
| DaemonFC | I'm losing my voice. | Dec 08 17:20 |
| schestowitz-TR | try to stick only to tech today | Dec 08 17:20 |
| schestowitz-TR | we're being watched a lot | Dec 08 17:20 |
| DaemonFC | I might just stay out in the car tomorrow. | Dec 08 17:21 |
| schestowitz-TR | Lf, EPO, Github.. | Dec 08 17:21 |
| schestowitz-TR | we need to be seen as on topic and "professional' | Dec 08 17:21 |
| DaemonFC | It's bad enough that people think every little thing is COVID these days. | Dec 08 17:21 |
| schestowitz-TR | not to give them excuse to pass over | Dec 08 17:21 |
| DaemonFC | I think it may have actually gotten worse than "WebMD, it's definitely cancer". | Dec 08 17:21 |
| schestowitz-TR | Web'MD' | Dec 08 17:22 |
| schestowitz-TR | if you want info | Dec 08 17:22 |
| schestowitz-TR | better open wikipedia | Dec 08 17:22 |
| schestowitz-TR | and study a bit | Dec 08 17:22 |
| schestowitz-TR | no spying by insurance companues | Dec 08 17:22 |
| schestowitz-TR | wikipedia is full of shit | Dec 08 17:22 |
| schestowitz-TR | but it's better than random web searches | Dec 08 17:22 |
| DaemonFC | Yeah, there's a lot of things wrong with Wikipedia. Corporations love it though. | Dec 08 17:22 |
| DaemonFC | People who won't pay for a real encyclopedia get to read vanity articles. | Dec 08 17:23 |
| DaemonFC | Like the one about Mr. Goolag supporting the guy who gave us Trump. | Dec 08 17:23 |
| schestowitz-TR | ?? | Dec 08 17:23 |
| schestowitz-TR | mjg59 campained AGAINST Assange | Dec 08 17:23 |
| schestowitz-TR | and trolls him a lot | Dec 08 17:23 |
| schestowitz-TR | you got it all in reverse | Dec 08 17:24 |
| schestowitz-TR | many people write wikipedia articles about themselves by proxy | Dec 08 17:24 |
| schestowitz-TR | they think it'll make them look 'important' | Dec 08 17:24 |
| DaemonFC | His vanity article on Wikipedia seems to imply otherwise. | Dec 08 17:24 |
| schestowitz-TR | FSFE did that too | Dec 08 17:24 |
| DaemonFC | I'm going to drop by CVS on the way home and take a COVID test to be on the side of caution. | Dec 08 17:26 |
| schestowitz-TR | I never got tested | Dec 08 17:26 |
| schestowitz-TR | never had symptoms | Dec 08 17:26 |
| schestowitz-TR | if I get tested, it'll be for antibodies | Dec 08 17:26 |
| DaemonFC | But whatever this is, it's incredibly mild so far. Mostly dry cough and losing my voice. | Dec 08 17:26 |
| schestowitz-TR | but that's not standard PCR afaik | Dec 08 17:26 |
| DaemonFC | Oh, by the time a PCR swab is positive, you've already had it for 4-5 days you know. | Dec 08 17:27 |
| DaemonFC | Uncle Bill never mentions things like this. | Dec 08 17:28 |
| schestowitz-TR | nor does BillBC | Dec 08 17:28 |
| DaemonFC | Incubation period means you've already been spreading it for at least 1/3rd of the total time you'd have to be quarantined. | Dec 08 17:28 |
| schestowitz-TR | but BillBC admitted | Dec 08 17:28 |
| MinceR | https://pleated-jeans.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/12/funny-pictures-12-3-21-25.jpg | Dec 08 17:28 |
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| schestowitz-TR | that two shots keep you just as infectious as none | Dec 08 17:28 |
| schestowitz-TR | according to BillBC | Dec 08 17:28 |
| techrights-ipfs-bot | ▕ IPFS downstream, 60 mins: ▂▂▂▅▂▂▂▃▂▅▆▁▁▃▄▂▂▂▃▁▃▁▂▁▄▅▃▁▁▂▁▂▂▁▂▃▂▂▁ avg(k/sec) 8.06 ▕ IPFS upstream: ▁▁█▁█▁█▁█▁▅▆███▁█▁▁█▁▂▁█▁▁▁█▁▁█▁ avg(k/sec) 198.13▕ swarm size (avg): 254.25 ⟲ | Dec 08 17:28 |
| schestowitz-TR | "go get the thing that leaves you just as contagious..." | Dec 08 17:28 |
| MinceR | "just as infectious"? | Dec 08 17:29 |
| schestowitz-TR | "then go WATCH FOOTBALL" | Dec 08 17:29 |
| MinceR | citation needed | Dec 08 17:29 |
| schestowitz-TR | "support the Saudi economy" (Newcastle United) | Dec 08 17:29 |
| schestowitz-TR | MinceR: BillBC | Dec 08 17:29 |
| DaemonFC | Buy an MPEG license, even if you don't have any of those files. | Dec 08 17:29 |
| MinceR | schestowitz-TR: that is not an article. | Dec 08 17:29 |
| schestowitz-TR | rianne read it out to me work by word last month | Dec 08 17:29 |
| schestowitz-TR | *word by word | Dec 08 17:29 |
| DaemonFC | You need it. It came with the computer. Oh, you got rid of Windows? Buy another MPEG license. It came with Windows, not the computer! | Dec 08 17:29 |
| MinceR | still being infectious is not the same as being equally infectious | Dec 08 17:29 |
| schestowitz-TR | they said equally | Dec 08 17:30 |
| schestowitz-TR | "just as infectious" | Dec 08 17:30 |
| MinceR | well, then they're probably wrong | Dec 08 17:30 |
| schestowitz-TR | for people who got 2 shots this past summer | Dec 08 17:30 |
| schestowitz-TR | of course they did NOT say this to discourage adoption | Dec 08 17:30 |
| schestowitz-TR | but to then sell a third one | Dec 08 17:30 |
| schestowitz-TR | at the end of the article | Dec 08 17:30 |
| schestowitz-TR | among other things | Dec 08 17:30 |
| MinceR | lol | Dec 08 17:31 |
| schestowitz-TR | like pushing the same for little kids | Dec 08 17:31 |
| schestowitz-TR | I'm VERY pro-vaccines | Dec 08 17:31 |
| schestowitz-TR | but I started looking at this thing cynically | Dec 08 17:31 |
| schestowitz-TR | MAGATRON and all | Dec 08 17:31 |
| schestowitz-TR | *MEGATRON | Dec 08 17:31 |
| schestowitz-TR | not MAGA | Dec 08 17:31 |
| schestowitz-TR | no xe/xi | Dec 08 17:31 |
| *tech_exorcist has quit (Quit: see you tomorrow) | Dec 08 17:31 | |
| schestowitz-TR | it's like they market and brand it now | Dec 08 17:31 |
| schestowitz-TR | for fear | Dec 08 17:31 |
| *tech_exorcist (~tech_exorcist@iwskee978x32q.irc) has joined #techrights | Dec 08 17:31 | |
| schestowitz-TR | with scarier pictures/illustrations | Dec 08 17:32 |
| *tech_exorcist has quit (connection closed) | Dec 08 17:32 | |
| schestowitz-TR | next variant will be pictured holding two rifles and suicide vest | Dec 08 17:32 |
| MinceR | but will it have a logo, a website and merchandise? | Dec 08 17:32 |
| schestowitz-TR | hahaha! | Dec 08 17:32 |
| schestowitz-TR | "got the jab, got the tshit"\ | Dec 08 17:33 |
| SomeH4x0r | yes, I doubt there are good intentions | Dec 08 17:33 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: https://www.redhat.com/en/blog/20-years-red-hat-product-security-rise-branded-exploits | Dec 08 17:34 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.redhat.com | 20 years of Red Hat Product Security: The rise of branded exploits (Part 2) | Dec 08 17:34 | |
| schestowitz | from yesterday | Dec 08 17:34 |
| schestowitz | IBM Hat: | Dec 08 17:34 |
| schestowitz | " | Dec 08 17:34 |
| schestowitz | In part 1 of this story we traced the history of Red Hat Product Security from its inception in 2001 through to its shift into the Customer Experience and Engagement (CEE) team in 2013. | Dec 08 17:34 |
| schestowitz | But that was just the beginning…security was always important, of course, but it was about to become front-page news. | Dec 08 17:34 |
| schestowitz | " | Dec 08 17:34 |
| schestowitz | I've been saying this for a decade ;-) | Dec 08 17:34 |
| schestowitz | " | Dec 08 17:34 |
| schestowitz | 2014 saw the rise of "branded" vulnerabilities —security issues that were given memorable names and logos, and that were accompanied by big splashy announcements. | Dec 08 17:34 |
| schestowitz | The purpose of this was reportedly to increase public awareness of these issues, with the hope that increased attention would result in faster fixes. | Dec 08 17:34 |
| schestowitz | Of course, increased awareness also led to increased media coverage, which, in turn, led to more public awareness. While these branded security issues were serious, the widespread attention tended to result in somewhat overblown panic and drama. | Dec 08 17:34 |
| schestowitz | There were two major branded vulnerabilities that came to light in 2014, Heartbleed and Shellshock. | Dec 08 17:34 |
| schestowitz | " | Dec 08 17:34 |
| schestowitz | exactly!! | Dec 08 17:35 |
| schestowitz | and who promoted these? | Dec 08 17:35 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft hacks | Dec 08 17:35 |
| schestowitz | inc. 'former' staff | Dec 08 17:35 |
| schestowitz | we even showed the connections | Dec 08 17:35 |
| schestowitz | funny how Windows bugs almost never have logos and sites and brand | Dec 08 17:35 |
| techrights-news | #ProprietarySoftware and #Security Leftovers • Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/158880 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines | Dec 08 17:37 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Proprietary Software and Security Leftovers | Tux Machines | Dec 08 17:37 | |
| DaemonFC | cytoMAGAlovirus | Dec 08 17:37 |
| techrights-news | #Programming Leftovers • Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/158881 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines | Dec 08 17:38 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Programming Leftovers | Tux Machines | Dec 08 17:38 | |
| schestowitz-TR | the next variant will be a Cyclope multi-headed hydra | Dec 08 17:38 |
| schestowitz-TR | donning a cell-killing minigun | Dec 08 17:38 |
| schestowitz-TR | not that fluffy hairy thing they floated in 2019 | Dec 08 17:39 |
| schestowitz-TR | looking like a pompon | Dec 08 17:39 |
| schestowitz-TR | that was a "marketing" failure | Dec 08 17:39 |
| immibis | congressional panel just confirmed they can't allow bitcoin to replace the US dollar as global reserve currency | Dec 08 17:40 |
| schestowitz-TR | obviously | Dec 08 17:40 |
| schestowitz-TR | how many in that panel take corporate bribes in BTC? | Dec 08 17:40 |
| schestowitz-TR | ^_^ | Dec 08 17:40 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz-TR, 1 in 5 articles on WGN is about the MAGA virus. | Dec 08 17:40 |
| DaemonFC | Many of those are "Omicron" MAGA virus. | Dec 08 17:40 |
| schestowitz-TR | good | Dec 08 17:40 |
| schestowitz-TR | more sponsorship money | Dec 08 17:40 |
| schestowitz-TR | it's a hot seller | Dec 08 17:41 |
| schestowitz-TR | what else sells now? | Dec 08 17:41 |
| schestowitz-TR | discounted food on cyber monday? | Dec 08 17:41 |
| MinceR | 08 183302 < schestowitz-TR> "got the jab, got the tshit"\ | Dec 08 17:41 |
| schestowitz-TR | also the profit margins | Dec 08 17:41 |
| MinceR | not for the "jab", for the pathogen itself | Dec 08 17:41 |
| schestowitz-TR | 50 cents to make | Dec 08 17:41 |
| schestowitz-TR | $25 dollars a dose | Dec 08 17:41 |
| schestowitz-TR | "niceeeee..." | Dec 08 17:41 |
| MinceR | "got infected, got the t-shirt" | Dec 08 17:41 |
| schestowitz-TR | MinceR: "my white cells are strong!" | Dec 08 17:41 |
| schestowitz-TR | "my allowcells" | Dec 08 17:42 |
| MinceR | :) | Dec 08 17:42 |
| DaemonFC | No, no, you're not thinking bigly enough Roy. It's the Finest vaccine in the History of the world. | Dec 08 17:42 |
| DaemonFC | 50 cents going for $25 would never give the stock market a raging hard-on. | Dec 08 17:43 |
| DaemonFC | Oh I'm sorry, make investors become tumescent with anticipation. | Dec 08 17:43 |
| DaemonFC | Make it $100. The government is paying. They never see the bill directly. | Dec 08 17:43 |
| schestowitz-TR | that's patents | Dec 08 17:43 |
| schestowitz-TR | tyhe media rarely mentions the patents | Dec 08 17:43 |
| schestowitz-TR | and who funded the R&D | Dec 08 17:43 |
| schestowitz-TR | (taxpayers mostly) | Dec 08 17:43 |
| schestowitz-TR | [17:43] <DaemonFC> Make it $100. The government is paying. They never see the bill directly. | Dec 08 17:44 |
| schestowitz-TR | PRe-paid | Dec 08 17:44 |
| schestowitz-TR | who pays the bill | Dec 08 17:44 |
| schestowitz-TR | ? | Dec 08 17:44 |
| schestowitz-TR | not 'the bill' | Dec 08 17:44 |
| schestowitz-TR | but you | Dec 08 17:44 |
| schestowitz | https://tradingeconomics.com/united-states/government-debt | Dec 08 17:44 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-tradingeconomics.com | United States Government Debt | 2021 Data | 2022 Forecast | 1942-2020 Historical | Dec 08 17:44 | |
| schestowitz | "Government Debt in the United States increased to 28908765 USD Million in October from 28428919 USD Million in September of 2021." | Dec 08 17:44 |
| schestowitz | "pump up tje volume!!" | Dec 08 17:44 |
| schestowitz | "raise da roooof" | Dec 08 17:44 |
| schestowitz | debt ceiling | Dec 08 17:44 |
| schestowitz | break dat f'ing ceiling | Dec 08 17:45 |
| schestowitz | until rapture comes | Dec 08 17:45 |
| schestowitz | BTW, US provoking CHina now | Dec 08 17:45 |
| schestowitz | with the Olympic Games as a spiel | Dec 08 17:45 |
| schestowitz | weaponising IOC mpolitically | Dec 08 17:45 |
| schestowitz | need SOMEONE tom blame | Dec 08 17:45 |
| schestowitz | not the "Economy" | Dec 08 17:45 |
| schestowitz | Wall Street GOOD | Dec 08 17:45 |
| schestowitz | China BSD | Dec 08 17:45 |
| schestowitz | BAD | Dec 08 17:45 |
| schestowitz | economy GREAT! | Dec 08 17:45 |
| schestowitz | Never been better | Dec 08 17:46 |
| XRevan86 | https://lbry.tv/@ElectroBOOM:9/how-wrong-is-veritasium-a-lamp-and-power:b | Dec 08 17:46 |
| -altlink_4a9/#techrights-📣 Cloudflare: lbry.tv | 🙆 Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://lbry.tv/@ElectroBOOM:9/how-wrong-is-veritasium-a-lamp-and-power:b | Dec 08 17:46 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-odysee.com | How Wrong Is VERITASIUM? A Lamp and Power Line Story | Dec 08 17:46 | |
| schestowitz | "LOOK, WALL STREET!' | Dec 08 17:46 |
| schestowitz | Don't look for people living in cars and tent cities" | Dec 08 17:46 |
| schestowitz | "we don't count them" | Dec 08 17:46 |
| schestowitz | "they're BUMS" | Dec 08 17:46 |
| MinceR | yeah, don't acknowledge taiwan, because then you'd be provoking red china :> | Dec 08 17:47 |
| techrights-news | Since #biden (ism) 'rose to power' earlier this year US #debt continues to soar... by over a TRILLION dollars. In LESS THAN A YEAR. #corporatemedia says economy "NEVER BEEN BETTER" (citing the index of the plunderers, Wall Street) https://tradingeconomics.com/united-states/government-debt | Dec 08 17:48 |
| MinceR | avoiding saying things a bunch of old stalinists don't like is of utmost importance. | Dec 08 17:48 |
| schestowitz-TR | MinceR: twaiwan is a schtick | Dec 08 17:48 |
| schestowitz-TR | same for hk | Dec 08 17:48 |
| MinceR | and red china isn't? | Dec 08 17:49 |
| schestowitz-TR | but they do deserve theior autonomy | Dec 08 17:49 |
| schestowitz-TR | so does diego garcia | Dec 08 17:49 |
| schestowitz-TR | China claims US hypocrisy | Dec 08 17:49 |
| schestowitz-TR | and sadly they do have substance in that claim | Dec 08 17:49 |
| schestowitz-TR | they're both potzes | Dec 08 17:49 |
| schestowitz-TR | and the US ignores international courts | Dec 08 17:50 |
| schestowitz-TR | as does China (and Russia) | Dec 08 17:50 |
| schestowitz-TR | They're "too big to obey" | Dec 08 17:50 |
| schestowitz-TR | I think only China is self-sufficient | Dec 08 17:50 |
| schestowitz-TR | maybe Russia also | Dec 08 17:50 |
| schestowitz-TR | US became too dependent on imports, except for foods and military | Dec 08 17:50 |
| MinceR | we'll find out, i guess | Dec 08 17:51 |
| *mib_2cx4w1 has quit (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client) | Dec 08 17:51 | |
| schestowitz-TR | so US on its own is just a bunch of gun fanatics eating corn and flying missiles, lobbing nukes at countries | Dec 08 17:51 |
| schestowitz-TR | china can make everything on its own | Dec 08 17:51 |
| schestowitz-TR | even planes | Dec 08 17:51 |
| schestowitz-TR | US planes assemble parts made overseas | Dec 08 17:51 |
| MinceR | they can't design stuff right, though | Dec 08 17:51 |
| schestowitz-TR | give them time | Dec 08 17:51 |
| schestowitz-TR | they always catch up | Dec 08 17:52 |
| schestowitz-TR | as Japan did | Dec 08 17:52 |
| MinceR | and with xi at the wheel, they never will | Dec 08 17:52 |
| MinceR | japan has a very different mentality | Dec 08 17:52 |
| schestowitz-TR | when it copied cameras and such from Europe | Dec 08 17:52 |
| schestowitz-TR | then cars | Dec 08 17:52 |
| schestowitz-TR | Japan is slave of the US | Dec 08 17:52 |
| schestowitz-TR | since ww2 | Dec 08 17:52 |
| schestowitz-TR | lots of us military bases with nukes | Dec 08 17:52 |
| MinceR | the japanese were willing to improve themselves and work had to prove they can be better than their foreigner competitors | Dec 08 17:52 |
| schestowitz-TR | not japan's own | Dec 08 17:52 |
| MinceR | red china believes in totalitarian oppression and micromanagement | Dec 08 17:53 |
| MinceR | and relying totally on selling the products of slave labor | Dec 08 17:53 |
| schestowitz-TR | yes | Dec 08 17:53 |
| MinceR | that's not how you develop technological know-how | Dec 08 17:53 |
| schestowitz-TR | and US exploits that sweatshop mentality | Dec 08 17:53 |
| MinceR | xi jinping already hinted he's about to double down on micromanagement | Dec 08 17:53 |
| schestowitz-TR | as do we (uk/europe) | Dec 08 17:53 |
| schestowitz-TR | when did you last buy locally-produced xmas decos? | Dec 08 17:53 |
| MinceR | which will doom their economy even if the real estate bubble doesn't | Dec 08 17:53 |
| MinceR | i haven't bought xmas decos in ages | Dec 08 17:54 |
| schestowitz-TR | neither have we | Dec 08 17:54 |
| schestowitz-TR | buy once | Dec 08 17:54 |
| schestowitz-TR | it should last decades | Dec 08 17:54 |
| MinceR | we haven't even bought a tree in years | Dec 08 17:54 |
| schestowitz-TR | our xmas trees, the cheap ones, barely have lights working | Dec 08 17:54 |
| schestowitz-TR | half are dead already | Dec 08 17:54 |
| schestowitz-TR | MinceR: plastic 'tree' | Dec 08 17:54 |
| schestowitz-TR | oil residue 'tree' | Dec 08 17:54 |
| MinceR | we never had plastic "trees" | Dec 08 17:55 |
| MinceR | or even electric lights for the tree | Dec 08 17:55 |
| schestowitz-TR | so how can you flaunt your pious self to thy neighbour? | Dec 08 17:55 |
| MinceR | i can't | Dec 08 17:55 |
| techrights-news | Links 8/12/2021: #ZorinOS 16 Milestone and Calculate Linux 22 Released; Kubernetes 1.23 • Techrights ⚓ http://techrights.org/2021/12/08/zorin-os-16-milestone/ ䷉ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/12/08/zorin-os-16-milestone/ | Dec 08 17:55 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Links 8/12/2021: Zorin OS 16 Milestone and Calculate Linux 22 Released; Kubernetes 1.23 | Techrights | Dec 08 17:55 | |
| MinceR | i don't care about my neighbors | Dec 08 17:55 |
| schestowitz-TR | it is mutual | Dec 08 17:56 |
| MinceR | i know | Dec 08 17:56 |
| techrights-news | #LoRa expansion boards work with Raspberry Pi SBC and Raspberry Pi Pico board (Crowdfunding) • Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/158882 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines | Dec 08 17:56 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | LoRa expansion boards work with Raspberry Pi SBC and Raspberry Pi Pico board (Crowdfunding) | Tux Machines | Dec 08 17:56 | |
| MinceR | the barbarian that drills holes all day makes it clearly | Dec 08 17:56 |
| MinceR | so does the barbarian that abandoned their tiny dog which barks all day | Dec 08 17:56 |
| MinceR | s/rly/r/ | Dec 08 17:56 |
| schestowitz-TR | some drills are long enough to come through to the other side | Dec 08 17:56 |
| schestowitz-TR | like the ones openreach brought | Dec 08 17:56 |
| schestowitz-TR | to insert the fibreoptic cable | Dec 08 17:57 |
| schestowitz-TR | we have a router for it all set up | Dec 08 17:57 |
| schestowitz-TR | it's not activated yet | Dec 08 17:57 |
| schestowitz-TR | maybe in 1-2 years | Dec 08 17:57 |
| schestowitz-TR | drill about half a meter long | Dec 08 17:57 |
| techrights-news | #Krita 4 splash screen • Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/158883 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines | Dec 08 17:57 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Krita 4 splash screen | Tux Machines | Dec 08 17:58 | |
| DaemonFC | Yeah, fuck China. | Dec 08 17:59 |
| DaemonFC | The West turned them into a threat by funding all of this. | Dec 08 17:59 |
| DaemonFC | Now they're all horrified about this disaster, which took all of about 20 years. | Dec 08 17:59 |
| DaemonFC | China made a peaceful solution impossible with what they did to Hong Kong. | Dec 08 18:00 |
| schestowitz-TR | iirc, that started with nixon | Dec 08 18:01 |
| schestowitz-TR | i.e. GOP | Dec 08 18:01 |
| schestowitz-TR | before it went 'fullKKK' | Dec 08 18:01 |
| DaemonFC | Clinton normalized trade relations with them on the way out the door. | Dec 08 18:01 |
| schestowitz-TR | it predated Clinton | Dec 08 18:01 |
| schestowitz-TR | by a lot | Dec 08 18:01 |
| DaemonFC | Some of it did. | Dec 08 18:01 |
| schestowitz-TR | selective history and timelines | Dec 08 18:01 |
| DaemonFC | The framework for it did. | Dec 08 18:01 |
| schestowitz-TR | your dad had a good job back then | Dec 08 18:01 |
| schestowitz-TR | manufacturing and designing | Dec 08 18:02 |
| DaemonFC | So did I for a while. | Dec 08 18:02 |
| schestowitz-TR | now it's warehouse work | Dec 08 18:02 |
| schestowitz-TR | amazon | Dec 08 18:02 |
| DaemonFC | We lost some of that to Canada too. | Dec 08 18:02 |
| DaemonFC | I asked Stride Rite why they were going to pack up and leave. | Dec 08 18:02 |
| DaemonFC | They said the healthcare plan was too expensive and they could just use NAFTA to go offload their costs onto Canadian taxpayers. | Dec 08 18:02 |
| schestowitz-TR | [15:12] <techrights-news> ● NEWS ● #CommonDreams ☞ 'I'm Asking You To Help': Amazon Employee Describes 'Sheer Brutality' of Work to Senators https://www.commondreams.org/news/2021/12/07/im-asking-you-help-amazon-employee-describes-sheer-brutality-work-senators | Dec 08 18:03 |
| -altlink_4a9/#techrights-📣 Cloudflare: commondreams.org | 🙆 Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.commondreams.org/news/2021/12/07/im-asking-you-help-amazon-employee-describes-sheer-brutality-work-senators | Dec 08 18:03 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.commondreams.org | 'I'm Asking You To Help': Amazon Employee Describes 'Sheer Brutality' of Work to Senators | Dec 08 18:03 | |
| schestowitz-TR | we had amazon leaks before | Dec 08 18:03 |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Amazon | Dec 08 18:03 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Amazon - Techrights | Dec 08 18:03 | |
| schestowitz | "what do you do for a living?" | Dec 08 18:03 |
| schestowitz | "I stock shelves" | Dec 08 18:03 |
| schestowitz | "I unpack containers" | Dec 08 18:04 |
| DaemonFC | So these companies take advantage of Canada to use them for currency arbitrage and "free" healthcare that someone else pays for to get their salaries down. | Dec 08 18:04 |
| schestowitz | "I answer the phone" | Dec 08 18:04 |
| schestowitz | "service" 'economy' | Dec 08 18:04 |
| DaemonFC | "What do you do?" | Dec 08 18:04 |
| MinceR | (cat) (audio) https://i.imgur.com/9KwGBSN.mp4 | Dec 08 18:04 |
| -altlink_4a9/#techrights-📣 Cloudflare: imgur.com | 🙆 Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://i.imgur.com/9KwGBSN.mp4 | Dec 08 18:04 | |
| techrights-news | #LibreOffice Base Guide 7.2 has been released • Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/158884 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines | Dec 08 18:04 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | LibreOffice Base Guide 7.2 has been released | Tux Machines | Dec 08 18:04 | |
| DaemonFC | Doctor: "Oh I charge $1,000 to tell a person with bacterial pneumonia it's probably viral and come back and pay me again if they're alive in a week." | Dec 08 18:04 |
| schestowitz | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kikzjTfos0s&feature=youtu.be&t=28 | Dec 08 18:05 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-On Bullsh*t Jobs | David Graeber | RSA Replay - YouTube | Dec 08 18:05 | |
| DaemonFC | "I can't imagine why people just wait until they're so sick the ER has to admit them." | Dec 08 18:05 |
| DaemonFC | Holding out in case it gets better and they can avoid some useless expensive doctor visit. | Dec 08 18:05 |
| DaemonFC | It has a logic to it, inside of this corrupt and insane system. | Dec 08 18:05 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, Mom was talking about all the silver they were taking to deal with this respiratory crap they have going on in their house. | Dec 08 18:06 |
| DaemonFC | She says that others she knows are hospitalized and on oxygen. | Dec 08 18:06 |
| DaemonFC | They told one of them that if he needs more than 6 liters, they have to transport him to another city. | Dec 08 18:07 |
| DaemonFC | But it's not COVID! | Dec 08 18:07 |
| DaemonFC | Nobody who gets it tests positive for COVID, and now it's going through her church too. | Dec 08 18:07 |
| DaemonFC | So we definitely have something else going on here that's worse than COVID, and the "noise" only talks about MAGAvirus. | Dec 08 18:07 |
| *activelow remembers | Dec 08 18:08 | |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, My packages arrived. | Dec 08 18:08 |
| DaemonFC | Now I don't have to worry about that getting stolen if it takes a while to get a COVID test. | Dec 08 18:08 |
| activelow | often it is blood circulation issues involved, thrombosis, when oxygenation isn't the first and only adviseable treatment | Dec 08 18:08 |
| techrights-news | 6 Ways #elementaryOS Is Perfect for Digital Minimalists • Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/158885 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines | Dec 08 18:09 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | 6 Ways elementary OS Is Perfect for Digital Minimalists | Tux Machines | Dec 08 18:09 | |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, I'm drinking hot green tea with honey. | Dec 08 18:09 |
| DaemonFC | Mandy can't get enough of it. | Dec 08 18:09 |
| DaemonFC | But it helps with the throat and I can at least speak a little again if I don't overdo it. | Dec 08 18:09 |
| DaemonFC | I sound like the fucking Wishmaster. | Dec 08 18:09 |
| schestowitz-TR | lol | Dec 08 18:09 |
| DaemonFC | "I see a wrongfully accused man who would like to make his attorney pay for the suffering that he has caused!" | Dec 08 18:10 |
| schestowitz-TR | except you cannot fulfill anything | Dec 08 18:10 |
| DaemonFC | "I believe you said that you wanted to see him go fuck himself....mmmmm....wish granted." | Dec 08 18:10 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, ^ | Dec 08 18:10 |
| DaemonFC | Well, at least there's an upside to having a cold. | Dec 08 18:11 |
| DaemonFC | I can amuse myself all day with this. | Dec 08 18:11 |
| techrights-news | "I have ended up being rather overwhelmed at work toward the end of the year and my personal projects, including Gemini, have taken a backseat. Just wanted to provide some reassurance that I haven't disappeared into the aether again and I still hope to make some more spec updates before the end of the year." https://lists.orbitalfox.eu/archives/gemini/2021/007660.html | Dec 08 18:11 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lists.orbitalfox.eu | Still alive... | Dec 08 18:11 | |
| techrights-news | Zorin OS 16 Lite is a Classy Distro for Low-End PCs http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/158878#comment-32005 | Dec 08 18:12 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Zorin OS 16 Celebrates More Than 1 Million Downloads with Lite Edition | Tux Machines | Dec 08 18:12 | |
| schestowitz-TR | DaemonFC: it's COLD-19 | Dec 08 18:12 |
| MinceR | fishmonster! | Dec 08 18:13 |
| schestowitz-TR | COVID On Lower Density | Dec 08 18:13 |
| schestowitz-TR | My thermometer tested me positive for cold | Dec 08 18:13 |
| schestowitz-TR | because the reading was HIGH1 | Dec 08 18:14 |
| schestowitz-TR | Medics | Dec 08 18:14 |
| *activelow drinks another glas of water with some vitamin-C | Dec 08 18:14 | |
| schestowitz-TR | they say you have a cold | Dec 08 18:14 |
| schestowitz-TR | when your body is too hot | Dec 08 18:14 |
| schestowitz-TR | maybe when I freeze to death here, no heating on.. the death cert will say, "died from heat" | Dec 08 18:15 |
| DaemonFC | Well, I'm sure it got the name because it gives you the chills. | Dec 08 18:15 |
| schestowitz-TR | cold sweat | Dec 08 18:16 |
| schestowitz-TR | humans have not evolved enough | Dec 08 18:16 |
| schestowitz-TR | body overheats in the cold | Dec 08 18:16 |
| schestowitz-TR | body sweats | Dec 08 18:16 |
| schestowitz-TR | then flushes | Dec 08 18:16 |
| schestowitz-TR | "intelligent design" | Dec 08 18:17 |
| MinceR | i thought it got the name because people are more likely to get it when it's cold | Dec 08 18:17 |
| schestowitz-TR | MinceR: you can get a heat stroke when it's hot | Dec 08 18:17 |
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| DaemonFC | schestowitz-TR, I saw a graph that says as of October, people vaccinated with the Pfizer shot were 12 times less likely to die of COVID. Well, I mean, if that's even true, there's hardly a risk of death to people under 45. | Dec 08 18:20 |
| activelow | with or without vaccination | Dec 08 18:20 |
| DaemonFC | That much hasn't changed. It's like, you know, 1 in 1000 really, and that was a statistic from before they knew how to treat it. | Dec 08 18:20 |
| DaemonFC | So even that's out of date. | Dec 08 18:21 |
| activelow | today it was reported those who weren't "boostered" are accounted for as "unvaccinated" too, even when they got the fister miracle tincture injected | Dec 08 18:21 |
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| DaemonFC | I knew the effort to contain it was a sham last year, early last year, like April. | Dec 08 18:22 |
| activelow | contain what? the propaganda fake news? | Dec 08 18:22 |
| DaemonFC | I called the Health Department in Lake County, IL, and gave them the name of a woman who tested positive and then kept coming back into Walmart to buy like 2 things and spend several hours in the store talking to people without her mask on. | Dec 08 18:22 |
| techrights-news | Linux Mint 20.3 beta being tested, is its release imminent? http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/158530#comment-32006 | Dec 08 18:23 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Linux Mint 20.3 Arriving Soon with a Surprise New App | Tux Machines | Dec 08 18:23 | |
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| DaemonFC | Then the person I spoke to said they weren't going to do anything about it because "She may not have anyone else to buy her groceries.". | Dec 08 18:23 |
| DaemonFC | They don't take it seriously and never have. | Dec 08 18:23 |
| DaemonFC | But when some restaurants opened back up, they went out there and wrote "nuisance" tickets. | Dec 08 18:23 |
| techrights-news | #Google #Android Leftovers • Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/158886 # #Linux #TuxMachines | Dec 08 18:23 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Android Leftovers | Tux Machines | Dec 08 18:23 | |
| DaemonFC | It's a giant power grab, and they get to fine small business owners, and drive them under, as a form of harassment for having signs out last election for the Republican Party. | Dec 08 18:24 |
| DaemonFC | It's a never ending power grab by the left. | Dec 08 18:26 |
| DaemonFC | Now that they see they can scare the hell out of the people who vote for them and use them as muscle to help them commit atrocities, selectively, against everyone else. | Dec 08 18:26 |
| DaemonFC | The emergency never ends. | Dec 08 18:27 |
| schestowitz-TR | german stadiums are empty again | Dec 08 18:27 |
| schestowitz-TR | no spectators | Dec 08 18:27 |
| schestowitz-TR | so 2+ years later we're still not solving the problem :/ | Dec 08 18:27 |
| DaemonFC | I'll probably vote Republican for the governor next year. | Dec 08 18:27 |
| schestowitz-TR | well, I could stay home longer I guess, I work from home | Dec 08 18:27 |
| DaemonFC | He won't be powerful enough to do much of anything, but he can cancel the fake emergency that is completely unconstitutional that the statute does not even allow for. | Dec 08 18:28 |
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| DaemonFC | The Illinois Constitution guarantees the rule of law, and the Illinois Emergency Management Act, which claims the governor can respond to emergencies by suspending laws (unconstitutional) even says he can only do it for 30 days without the legislature stepping in. | Dec 08 18:29 |
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| DaemonFC | It's not real. They made it up. There is no underpinning for this because either it's unconstitutional to suspend laws, or the emergency has been going on for over a year and a half over the same reason he gave initially, which allows for 30 days. | Dec 08 18:30 |
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| DaemonFC | If we had any real judges in this state, they'd have overturned it already, so the state is operating without a constitution, and anything the legislature does is in an "advisory role". | Dec 08 18:31 |
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| DaemonFC | They can pass anything they want, and due to "emergency", the governor can suspend it indefinitely so that it never takes effect. | Dec 08 18:31 |
| DaemonFC | All over a cold. | Dec 08 18:31 |
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| schestowitz-TR | [14:07] [Notice] -altlink_9ac to #boycottnovell-social- 📣 Cloudflare: commondreams.org | 🙆 Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.commondreams.org/news/2021/12/07/trump-appointed-judge-suspends-bidens-vaccine-mandate-federal-contractors | Dec 08 18:32 |
| DaemonFC | Abortions have been deemed "essential healthcare". Dentistry is "not important". | Dec 08 18:32 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-web.archive.org | Trump-Appointed Judge Suspends Biden's Vaccine Mandate for Federal Contractors | Dec 08 18:32 | |
| DaemonFC | From the party that brought you infanticide comes here, have your teeth rot out! | Dec 08 18:32 |
| schestowitz-TR | it's not "a cold\ | Dec 08 18:32 |
| schestowitz-TR | it's far worse | Dec 08 18:32 |
| schestowitz-TR | but you could argue the response was ill-advised | Dec 08 18:32 |
| DaemonFC | This is just absolutely hysterical on the part of the left. | Dec 08 18:33 |
| DaemonFC | No state has passed a total abortion ban. | Dec 08 18:33 |
| DaemonFC | Not even close. | Dec 08 18:33 |
| DaemonFC | They just want to be able to do it all the way up to 9 months without getting in any trouble for it because they're sick. | Dec 08 18:34 |
| DaemonFC | If you gave them another inch, they'd toss their baby into a furnace as well. | Dec 08 18:34 |
| schestowitz-TR | rianne reads billbc now | Dec 08 18:34 |
| schestowitz-TR | she says | Dec 08 18:34 |
| schestowitz-TR | "more masks, more home working" | Dec 08 18:35 |
| schestowitz-TR | which I like | Dec 08 18:35 |
| DaemonFC | If the Supreme Court wanted Roe to be settled law, they wouldn't have built it up on nonsense that doesn't exist in our constitution. | Dec 08 18:35 |
| schestowitz-TR | more job opportunitiesfor geeks in their home office | Dec 08 18:35 |
| schestowitz-TR | fewer maskless covidiots out there | Dec 08 18:35 |
| schestowitz-TR | also, the lockdowns have been most effective at reducing cases and deaths | Dec 08 18:35 |
| kingoffrance | DaemonFC, DaemonFC DaemonFC its all about who's definition "rule of law" https://www.un.org/ruleoflaw/what-is-the-rule-of-law/ long ago it meant maxims "spirit of law" roughly. | Dec 08 18:35 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.un.org | What is the Rule of Law - United Nations and the Rule of Law | Dec 08 18:35 | |
| schestowitz-TR | to just a handful of deaths per day | Dec 08 18:36 |
| kingoffrance | thats at least 3 right there | Dec 08 18:36 |
| schestowitz-TR | summer 2020 | Dec 08 18:36 |
| schestowitz-TR | with 2021 summer of 'freedom day' TEN TIMES more deaths | Dec 08 18:36 |
| DaemonFC | Chicago alone aborts over 10,000 babies per year now that the state pays for most of them. | Dec 08 18:36 |
| DaemonFC | If you add in the rest of the state, that's more people than die of COVID. | Dec 08 18:36 |
| DaemonFC | The Democrats have no plan to give poor black people in the city "prosperity". Just more abortions. I saw that, you know, I mean, if they wanted to help they could help by cutting the budget. | Dec 08 18:37 |
| techrights-news | Stable Kernels: 5.15.7, 5.10.84, 5.4.164, 4.19.220, 4.14.257, 4.9.292, and 4.4.294 • Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/158887 #GPL #Linux #TuxMachines | Dec 08 18:37 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Stable Kernels: 5.15.7, 5.10.84, 5.4.164, 4.19.220, 4.14.257, 4.9.292, and 4.4.294 | Tux Machines | Dec 08 18:37 | |
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| MinceR | https://pleated-jeans.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/12/0nvf8mrb7bd61.png | Dec 08 18:38 |
| -altlink_4a9/#techrights-📣 Cloudflare: pleated-jeans.com | 🙆 Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://pleated-jeans.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/12/0nvf8mrb7bd61.png | Dec 08 18:38 | |
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| DaemonFC | Chicago budgets a lot of money to take their homes and give them to rich white liberals instead, and put in a Whole Foods. | Dec 08 18:38 |
| DaemonFC | Mr. Goolag would even move in and see nothing wrong about that, probably. | Dec 08 18:38 |
| DaemonFC | If you took that money and put it into a jobs program, or property tax relief for people who can't afford the normal rate, they could stay there and live better. | Dec 08 18:39 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz-TR, Was it you that said the goal is to just drive the crime and poverty somewhere the Goolag clones wouldn't need to look at it was the goal? | Dec 08 18:40 |
| DaemonFC | I've lived exactly in that area. Not for long, but long enough to see that 99% of the people there were decent. But there's this horrible scourge that the police and courts have given up on doing anything about. | Dec 08 18:41 |
| DaemonFC | So they're often the victim because, you know, the attitude of the entitled left is such that, Microsoft was literally about to roll out a Maps program with Avoid Ghetto. | Dec 08 18:42 |
| DaemonFC | They still have the patent, btw. | Dec 08 18:42 |
| DaemonFC | https://www.syracuse.com/news/2012/01/microsoft_avoid_ghetto_app_windows_phone.html | Dec 08 18:42 |
| -altlink_4a9/#techrights-📣 Cloudflare: syracuse.com | 🙆 Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.syracuse.com/news/2012/01/microsoft_avoid_ghetto_app_windows_phone.html | Dec 08 18:42 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Microsoft 'avoid ghetto' app for smartphones' GPS navigation stirs controversy - syracuse.com | Dec 08 18:42 | |
| SomeH4x0r | I don't think abortions are counted as deaths | Dec 08 18:43 |
| DaemonFC | All of 9 years ago....ignore that. They're woke now. | Dec 08 18:43 |
| DaemonFC | "If they choose to include rape stats in their route recommendations, they may be arming ladies with some extra information." | Dec 08 18:44 |
| SomeH4x0r | as they don't consider fetus to be a proper human | Dec 08 18:45 |
| DaemonFC | I wonder if that would have any effect or if the rapists would just get on the L and go somewhere else in the city instead. | Dec 08 18:45 |
| DaemonFC | I was talking to John at one point. | Dec 08 18:47 |
| DaemonFC | I said "All of the crime happens near the red line stops up here.". | Dec 08 18:47 |
| DaemonFC | He said, "Yeah, it picks up all the criminals on the south side and it brings them up here to us.". | Dec 08 18:47 |
| DaemonFC | So we had crazy people stabbing senior citizens with screwdrivers and setting themselves on fire with gasoline on the train. | Dec 08 18:48 |
| DaemonFC | It was a pretty messed up place _before_ Mayor Beetlejuice. | Dec 08 18:48 |
| techrights-news | Same 'Linux' Foundation which shills #WSL for #microsoft ... https://www.linux.com/featured/linux-as-a-screensaver-for-windows-the-gift-of-open-source-games-and-sboms-for-the-holidays/ | Dec 08 18:49 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Linux as a Screensaver for Windows: The Gift of Open Source Games and SBOMs for the Holidays - Linux.com | Dec 08 18:49 | |
| techrights-news | #EasyOS : Why ISO was retired https://bkhome.org/news/202112/why-iso-was-retired.html #gnu #linux | Dec 08 18:52 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-bkhome.org | Why ISO was retired | Dec 08 18:52 | |
| SomeH4x0r | ISO as in what? | Dec 08 18:52 |
| SomeH4x0r | oh, I see | Dec 08 18:53 |
| DaemonFC | The ISO is nearly irrelevant at this point. | Dec 08 18:53 |
| DaemonFC | There was once a point in time where they were an actual standards body with lack of anything better. | Dec 08 18:54 |
| techrights-news | Progress of #Pegasus investigations around the world ⚓ https://internetfreedom.in/progress_of_pegasus_investigations/ ䷉ #internetfreedom #internet | Dec 08 18:54 |
| -altlink_4a9/#techrights-📣 Cloudflare: internetfreedom.in | 🙆 Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://internetfreedom.in/progress_of_pegasus_investigations/ | Dec 08 18:54 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-internetfreedom.in | Progress of Pegasus investigations around the world | Dec 08 18:54 | |
| SomeH4x0r | > optical drives are rapidly receeding into history | are they? | Dec 08 18:54 |
| DaemonFC | Yes. | Dec 08 18:55 |
| DaemonFC | Most laptops don't have one anymore. | Dec 08 18:55 |
| SomeH4x0r | manufacturers fault | Dec 08 18:55 |
| DaemonFC | Which is fine. External USB ones aren't a huge deal if they break because you can throw it out without having a broken drive inside the laptop, and they cost $30-40. | Dec 08 18:55 |
| SomeH4x0r | USB ports can break as well. Including by means like USB killer. | Dec 08 18:56 |
| schestowitz | https://www.neowin.net/news/microsoft-announces-tools-to-measure-browser-performance-on-android-and-linux/ | Dec 08 18:57 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.neowin.net | Microsoft announces tools to measure browser performance on Android and Linux - Neowin | Dec 08 18:57 | |
| schestowitz | ?? | Dec 08 18:57 |
| psydroid2 | total control | Dec 08 18:58 |
| SomeH4x0r | I don't like to "adapt" to "progress". It is just an annoyance. | Dec 08 19:01 |
| techrights-news | Godot Engine - Release candidate: Godot 3.4.1 RC 2 ⚓ https://godotengine.org/article/release-candidate-godot-3-4-1-rc-2 ䷉ #godotengine #games #gnu #linux | Dec 08 19:01 |
| -altlink_4a9/#techrights-📣 Cloudflare: godotengine.org | 🙆 Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://godotengine.org/article/release-candidate-godot-3-4-1-rc-2 | Dec 08 19:01 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-godotengine.org | Godot Engine - Release candidate: Godot 3.4.1 RC 2 | Dec 08 19:01 | |
| MinceR | if(browser == "Edge") score *= 2; | Dec 08 19:02 |
| SomeH4x0r | I only blame ones who build computers for the absence of CD drives | Dec 08 19:02 |
| MinceR | i have a USB DVD writer :> | Dec 08 19:02 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: I have a USB writert | Dec 08 19:03 |
| schestowitz | RW even | Dec 08 19:03 |
| schestowitz | limitless | Dec 08 19:03 |
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| schestowitz | some pmp's have a usb witer tyoo | Dec 08 19:04 |
| SomeH4x0r | This decade-old laptop is enough. No real reason to buy anything else. | Dec 08 19:04 |
| schestowitz | e.g. to delete songs ;-) | Dec 08 19:04 |
| schestowitz | SomeH4x0r: donchu support de economyyy? | Dec 08 19:05 |
| MinceR | donchu know who i am?! | Dec 08 19:05 |
| schestowitz | santa is ready to make you ANOTHER lapto | Dec 08 19:06 |
| schestowitz | don't be "spoilsport" | Dec 08 19:06 |
| SomeH4x0r | got some new computer at later point (which I rarely use), because school started enforcing incompatible stuff after a lockdown | Dec 08 19:06 |
| schestowitz | go out and cosume | Dec 08 19:06 |
| schestowitz | enjoy the "shopping experience" | Dec 08 19:06 |
| schestowitz | with aura and ambiance and stuff | Dec 08 19:06 |
| MinceR | santa casts Polymorph Any Objects, and you are now a laptop | Dec 08 19:06 |
| MinceR | s/cts/ct/ | Dec 08 19:06 |
| psydroid2 | I have a pile of DVD drives I took out of my systems | Dec 08 19:08 |
| DaemonFC | <MinceR> donchu know who i am?! | Dec 08 19:09 |
| DaemonFC | "I'm the guy who's gonna burn your house down! With the lemons!" | Dec 08 19:09 |
| DaemonFC | *cough cough cough* | Dec 08 19:09 |
| MinceR | lol | Dec 08 19:09 |
| techrights-news | #ZorinOS 16 Lite Gives Old PCs a Beautiful, Classy Makeover https://yewtu.be/watch?v=Cl5qXPY9OLk #gnu #linux | Dec 08 19:09 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-yewtu.be | Zorin OS 16 Lite Gives Old PCs a Beautiful, Classy Makeover [Review] - Invidious | Dec 08 19:09 | |
| DaemonFC | I'm now feeling sapped of energy even though I just woke up a couple of hours ago. | Dec 08 19:10 |
| DaemonFC | This isn't going in the right direction. | Dec 08 19:10 |
| psydroid2 | Microsoft should write "billions" of applications for Windows and stop trying to port their crapware to other operating systems | Dec 08 19:12 |
| DaemonFC | Most of those applications for Windows are crap. | Dec 08 19:12 |
| schestowitz-TR | psydroid2: or buy a million game studios | Dec 08 19:12 |
| DaemonFC | If Wine just targets the few important ones, that's fine. | Dec 08 19:12 |
| psydroid2 | They could write more of them and leave us alone | Dec 08 19:13 |
| techrights-news | "Only that, at the time, there were a lot of automation tasks and there was this new shiny programming language, Perl…" https://raku-advent.blog/2021/12/08/day-8-practice-on-advent-of-code/ #perl #rakulang #programming | Dec 08 19:13 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-raku-advent.blog | Day 8 – Practice… on Advent of Code – Raku Advent Calendar | Dec 08 19:13 | |
| psydroid2 | schestowitz-TR, that too, especially now that PC gaming is in decline | Dec 08 19:13 |
| DaemonFC | There's at least several new Windows APIs every couple of weeks added to Wine, so on the whole, things start working more and more as a natural consequence of that. | Dec 08 19:13 |
| DaemonFC | You add some to get something working, turns out it helps other stuff run too. | Dec 08 19:13 |
| DaemonFC | It's not like Windows is some sort of ascendant operating system that's undergoing rapid development. | Dec 08 19:14 |
| DaemonFC | Almost all of the APIs that are going to exist are there already, and Microsoft is continuing to neglect it terribly with Windows "11". | Dec 08 19:14 |
| psydroid2 | Wine is already a better Windows than Windows itself, because it gets out of the way and just runs the applications you need and not hundreds of unnecessary services (or slaves) | Dec 08 19:15 |
| techrights-news | Access Now to Telegram: protect the rights of 500 million people - Access Now ⚓ https://www.accessnow.org/telegram-protect-the-rights-of-500-million-people/ ䷉ #accessnow should know #telegram is #ProprietarySoftware and considered unsafe. Recommend better things...? | Dec 08 19:15 |
| -altlink_4a9/#techrights-📣 Cloudflare: accessnow.org | 🙆 Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.accessnow.org/telegram-protect-the-rights-of-500-million-people/ | Dec 08 19:15 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.accessnow.org | Access Now to Telegram: protect the rights of 500 million people - Access Now | Dec 08 19:15 | |
| schestowitz-TR | psydroid2: Microsoft should but MSFT | Dec 08 19:15 |
| schestowitz-TR | for $5,000 billion | Dec 08 19:15 |
| schestowitz-TR | to increase its market cap | Dec 08 19:15 |
| schestowitz-TR | and pose to investors | Dec 08 19:15 |
| schestowitz-TR | *buy | Dec 08 19:15 |
| DaemonFC | More effort is going into Wine lately to convert everything to PE to look to applications that closely inspect the environment like a real Windows installation than adding APIs. | Dec 08 19:16 |
| DaemonFC | That's kind of telling, you know, at what stage Wine development has reached. | Dec 08 19:16 |
| DaemonFC | New APIs are less important than quacking like a duck when you have some anti-cheat program running or something. | Dec 08 19:17 |
| SomeH4x0r | they say "anti-cheat", while in fact it is a rootkit, they just found a "legal" excuse | Dec 08 19:18 |
| psydroid2 | Vista 11 has many problems and very little uptake and Vista 10 is more or less set in stone, so Wine has plenty of time to catch up, if there even is any catching up left to do | Dec 08 19:19 |
| psydroid2 | yes | Dec 08 19:19 |
| DaemonFC | Windows 10 will remain on most computers that run Windows for years. | Dec 08 19:19 |
| psydroid2 | anti-cheat = anti-consumer | Dec 08 19:19 |
| psydroid2 | malware | Dec 08 19:19 |
| DaemonFC | The only real news coming out about Windows 11 is how Microsoft managed to bungle so many things that settled down in Windows 10. | Dec 08 19:19 |
| DaemonFC | The marketing budget is spent and the real story unfolds. | Dec 08 19:20 |
| techrights-news | "This was not the year of the Linux Desktop. We’ve been slacking on the mailbag, so we go on a feedback frenzy and answer some hard questions about desktop Linux." https://www.jupiterbroadcasting.com/146932/desktop-burnout-linux-unplugged-435/ | Dec 08 19:20 |
| -altlink_4a9/#techrights-📣 Cloudflare: jupiterbroadcasting.com | 🙆 Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.jupiterbroadcasting.com/146932/desktop-burnout-linux-unplugged-435/ | Dec 08 19:20 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.jupiterbroadcasting.com | Desktop Burnout | LINUX Unplugged 435 | Jupiter Broadcasting | Dec 08 19:20 | |
| DaemonFC | No longer about blue ice cream, but about BIOS hacks for DRM to work and broken process schedulers, and broken file management. | Dec 08 19:20 |
| DaemonFC | Edge becoming a bigger pest, which they probably will sabotage Windows 10 with too. | Dec 08 19:20 |
| DaemonFC | For uniformity. | Dec 08 19:20 |
| techrights-news | #Walmart lets orders to PO Boxes go through, then sends them to FedEx, which can’t put anything in a PO Box. - BaronHK’s Rants ⚓ https://baronhk.wordpress.com/2021/12/08/walmart-lets-orders-to-po-boxes-go-through-then-sends-them-to-fedex-which-cant-put-anything-in-a-po-box/ ䷉ #baronhk | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/12/08/#latest | Dec 08 19:21 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-baronhk.wordpress.com | Walmart lets orders to PO Boxes go through, then sends them to FedEx, which can’t put anything in a PO Box. – BaronHK's Rants | Dec 08 19:21 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com | Social Control Media Posts | Dec 08 19:21 | |
| SomeH4x0r | was World of Warcraft (released in 2004, developed since at least 1999) the first multiplayer game with such spyware (iirc EFF said itOC is a "new feature" back then)? Or it was even earlier? | Dec 08 19:21 |
| psydroid2 | Microsoft has become the worst of IBM and DEC and there is nothing but going down for them to do | Dec 08 19:21 |
| SomeH4x0r | *said it is | Dec 08 19:21 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz-TR, I found this. | Dec 08 19:22 |
| DaemonFC | I remember a President named Obama | Dec 08 19:22 |
| DaemonFC | Who rid us of that pesky Osama | Dec 08 19:22 |
| DaemonFC | But the backlash was strong | Dec 08 19:22 |
| DaemonFC | And we got Trump, which was wrong! | Dec 08 19:22 |
| DaemonFC | So now millennials have to live with their momma | Dec 08 19:22 |
| DaemonFC | Yes, you get $15 an hour, and the Democrats managed to cause so much inflation that it's only worth $7.25. | Dec 08 19:23 |
| DaemonFC | Enjoy! | Dec 08 19:23 |
| DaemonFC | -Biden | Dec 08 19:23 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz-TR, The Catholics posted a housekeeper job where mom used to work. | Dec 08 19:23 |
| DaemonFC | The top line read "Starts at $12-15 an hour.". | Dec 08 19:24 |
| DaemonFC | Then in the body of the listing, it says "Starts at $10 an hour.". | Dec 08 19:24 |
| DaemonFC | So I asked mom about this. | Dec 08 19:24 |
| DaemonFC | She said the boss said they have a $3,000 sign-on bonus for nurses, "but we don't pay it unless they mention it, and most don't notice it at all". | Dec 08 19:25 |
| DaemonFC | "Why can't we get any help?" Meanwhile, all the other places are doing $10,000 bonuses, $20,000 bonuses. | Dec 08 19:25 |
| DaemonFC | In Indiana that's a lot. You can get that sign-on bonus and it's enough for a 20-50% down payment on a house, unless you apply for a Catholic facility that only offers $3k and makes you go out of your way to notice it in size 1 font. | Dec 08 19:26 |
| DaemonFC | So there's a bunch of people who start there, don't get any bonus, and the place just keeps it. | Dec 08 19:26 |
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| techrights-news | #MicrosoftTim keeps pushing #RustLang for #Linux ; says a lot who stands to benefit from the move (clue: the company that owns and controls and occasionally manipulates #GitHub ) | Dec 08 19:36 |
| techrights-news | The 32 Best IDEs/Text Editors for C++ | Terminal Root ⚓ https://en.terminalroot.com.br/the-32-best-ides-text-editors-for-cpp/ ䷉ #cpp #programming #ide | Dec 08 19:38 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.terminalroot.com.br | The 32 Best IDEs/Text Editors for C++ | Terminal Root | Dec 08 19:38 | |
| techrights-news | #ibm #redhat thinks the best of #rhel this year is #microsoft #csharp (yes, no kidding) https://developers.redhat.com/articles/2021/12/08/red-hat-enterprise-linux-best-2021 | Dec 08 19:41 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-developers.redhat.com | Red Hat Enterprise Linux: The best of 2021 | Red Hat Developer | Dec 08 19:41 | |
| techrights-news | #ibm #redhat predicts that next year too will be Year of the Clown https://enterprisersproject.com/article/2021/12/tech-predictions-2022 #clownComputing | Dec 08 19:42 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-enterprisersproject.com | 10 tech predictions for 2022 | The Enterprisers Project | Dec 08 19:42 | |
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| techrights-news | #redhat / #ibm is "inclusive" https://enterprisersproject.com/article/2021/12/hybrid-work-3-tips except when it's not http://techrights.org/wiki/IBM#Racism | Dec 08 19:43 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-enterprisersproject.com | 3 tips for an inclusive hybrid workplace | The Enterprisers Project | Dec 08 19:43 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IBM - Techrights | Dec 08 19:43 | |
| techrights-news | The problem is the browser and the #www rather than #debian #gnu #linux https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Web-Browser-Packages-Debian Debian should start packaging #geminiProtocol clients... | Dec 08 19:47 |
| -altlink_4a9/#techrights-📣 Cloudflare: phoronix.com | 🙆 Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Web-Browser-Packages-Debian | Dec 08 19:47 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-The Sad State Of Web Browser Support Currently Within Debian - Phoronix | Dec 08 19:47 | |
| techrights-news | When #microsoft controls the #kubernetes blog to shill #nsa backdoored crap like #windows https://kubernetes.io/blog/2021/12/08/dual-stack-networking-ga/ | Dec 08 19:48 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-kubernetes.io | Kubernetes 1.23: Dual-stack IPv4/IPv6 Networking Reaches GA | Kubernetes | Dec 08 19:48 | |
| MinceR | https://pleated-jeans.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/12/1bessozul4e61.jpeg | Dec 08 19:50 |
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| techrights-news | "I just have many vivid memories of the 90's browser wars and #microsoft 'encouraging' adopting of their specific additions and nonstandard components to HTML." https://lists.orbitalfox.eu/archives/gemini/2021/007662.html | Dec 08 19:50 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lists.orbitalfox.eu | Still alive... | Dec 08 19:50 | |
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| techrights-news | Vanilla #Vim is fun | ⚓ https://opensource.com/article/21/12/vanilla-vim-config ䷉ #FreeSW #RedHat #IBM #Linux | Dec 08 19:54 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Vanilla Vim is fun | Opensource.com | Dec 08 19:54 | |
| techrights-news | #IBM / #RedHat and #Fedora Leftovers • Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/158888 #GNU #TuxMachines | Dec 08 19:59 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | IBM/Red Hat and Fedora Leftovers | Tux Machines | Dec 08 19:59 | |
| techrights-news | Today’s #HowTos | #UNIX • Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/158889 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines | Dec 08 20:02 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's howtos | Tux Machines | Dec 08 20:02 | |
| techrights-news | Smells like a 'plug'... https://pointieststick.com/2021/12/07/what-a-good-laptop-needs/ is this a paid-for post?? | Dec 08 20:03 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-pointieststick.com | What a great laptop needs – Adventures in Linux and KDE | Dec 08 20:03 | |
| techrights-news | Modern Features In Classic Radio | Hackaday <p><img src="" border="0" align="left" width="160" hspace="20" vspace="20" style="padding: 17px 17px 17px 17px; box-shadow: 5px 5px 5px #222;" /> <p class="dropcap-first"> <a href="https://hackaday.com/2021/12/07/modern-features-in-classic-radio/"><img src="/files/read-on-white.png" alt="Read more" title="Read the rest of this article" /></a> | Dec 08 20:03 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Modern Features In Classic Radio | Hackaday | Dec 08 20:03 | |
| schestowitz-TR | MinceR: is archlinuyx canada based? | Dec 08 20:05 |
| schestowitz-TR | distrowatch says it is | Dec 08 20:05 |
| schestowitz-TR | and afaik they make a new iso each month | Dec 08 20:05 |
| schestowitz-TR | so there's never like a major release of it | Dec 08 20:05 |
| schestowitz-TR | just rolling on and on | Dec 08 20:06 |
| MinceR | ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ | Dec 08 20:06 |
| MinceR | being systemd-based is bad enough | Dec 08 20:06 |
| techrights-news | Audiocasts/Shows: Desktop Burnout, Zorin OS 16, and KDE • Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/158890 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines | Dec 08 20:06 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Audiocasts/Shows: Desktop Burnout, Zorin OS 16, and KDE | Tux Machines | Dec 08 20:06 | |
| MinceR | being so because they couldn't write or copy rc scripts worth a damn is even worse | Dec 08 20:06 |
| schestowitz-TR | MinceR: worse than canadian? | Dec 08 20:06 |
| MinceR | and so's dragging their feet about implementing package signing | Dec 08 20:06 |
| schestowitz-TR | signed by who? | Dec 08 20:07 |
| MinceR | the distributor | Dec 08 20:07 |
| schestowitz-TR | is it like sigstore? | Dec 08 20:07 |
| MinceR | no | Dec 08 20:07 |
| schestowitz-TR | ah, OK, different | Dec 08 20:07 |
| schestowitz-TR | not LF crap | Dec 08 20:07 |
| schestowitz-TR | Gulag+IBM | Dec 08 20:07 |
| MinceR | indeed | Dec 08 20:07 |
| schestowitz-TR | sigsotre is IBM+Google mostly | Dec 08 20:07 |
| schestowitz-TR | LF fronting | Dec 08 20:07 |
| schestowitz-TR | IBM knows a gulag when it sees one | Dec 08 20:07 |
| MinceR | they even used to remove documentation from packages and tell you to look it up online, i'm not sure if they still do that | Dec 08 20:07 |
| schestowitz-TR | $_$ | Dec 08 20:07 |
| MinceR | there are several reasons to avoid arch and i'm not aware of any reason to particularly want to use it | Dec 08 20:08 |
| schestowitz-TR | system dehomag | Dec 08 20:08 |
| schestowitz-TR | MinceR: so you would not recommend arch | Dec 08 20:08 |
| schestowitz | Arch 2021.12.01 is out | Dec 08 20:08 |
| MinceR | i would not | Dec 08 20:09 |
| schestowitz-TR | good to know | Dec 08 20:10 |
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| schestowitz-TR | as I took you use of it as a semi-endorsement | Dec 08 20:10 |
| schestowitz-TR | Debian is still OK for me | Dec 08 20:10 |
| schestowitz-TR | I don't complain, there's not much to complain about | Dec 08 20:10 |
| MinceR | i don't use arch | Dec 08 20:10 |
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| MinceR | i tried it out ages ago | Dec 08 20:10 |
| MinceR | and then went back to debian or something like that | Dec 08 20:11 |
| Techrights-sec | are those who are not testifying at the trial, but could, staying out to | Dec 08 20:11 |
| Techrights-sec | protect bill? | Dec 08 20:11 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: MinceR is a non-compomising hater of systemd, I am surprised ye would think MinceR would even slightly endorse it. | Dec 08 20:11 |
| schestowitz-TR | interesting question | Dec 08 20:11 |
| schestowitz-TR | there are two bills to protect | Dec 08 20:11 |
| MinceR | XRevan86: what's next, "graybeard"? | Dec 08 20:11 |
| MinceR | wanting to run a free unix system makes people "haters" | Dec 08 20:11 |
| schestowitz-TR | it's a PR tactic | Dec 08 20:11 |
| schestowitz-TR | Team Mono used it | Dec 08 20:11 |
| schestowitz-TR | all who hate us are haters | Dec 08 20:12 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Didn't think ye would take offence to that. | Dec 08 20:12 |
| schestowitz-TR | raspi: "Microsoft bashing" | Dec 08 20:12 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Consider that ye make your hate towards systemd very clear very often. | Dec 08 20:12 |
| schestowitz-TR | translation: people not wanting to be spied on by Microsoft | Dec 08 20:12 |
| MinceR | back when i tried arch, it didn't use systemd, iirc | Dec 08 20:12 |
| XRevan86 | * Considering | Dec 08 20:12 |
| MinceR | but it was already unappealing | Dec 08 20:12 |
| schestowitz-TR | XRevan86: it is not hatred | Dec 08 20:12 |
| schestowitz-TR | it's rejection | Dec 08 20:12 |
| schestowitz-TR | not the same thing | Dec 08 20:12 |
| MinceR | largely because a lot of documentation was unavailable to install | Dec 08 20:13 |
| schestowitz-TR | I don't hate everything I do not use | Dec 08 20:13 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: He brings it up even when systemd is just present in the room somewhere. | Dec 08 20:13 |
| schestowitz-TR | it's being foisted upon us | Dec 08 20:13 |
| schestowitz-TR | it's not a choice | Dec 08 20:13 |
| schestowitz-TR | so we can say, "DO NOT WANT!!" | Dec 08 20:14 |
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| XRevan86 | When one says "systemd bad" even when the topic is apt dependency solving, it's going a bit too far. | Dec 08 20:14 |
| schestowitz-TR | gee, did I just compare LP to pedobear? | Dec 08 20:14 |
| schestowitz-TR | XRevan86: maybe not | Dec 08 20:14 |
| schestowitz-TR | because it's everywhere | Dec 08 20:15 |
| schestowitz-TR | it's hard to know if systemd is NOT to blame | Dec 08 20:15 |
| schestowitz-TR | it took over so many system functions | Dec 08 20:15 |
| schestowitz-TR | to the point of breaking some under particular scenarios | Dec 08 20:15 |
| schestowitz-TR | and debugging it can be hard | Dec 08 20:15 |
| schestowitz-TR | so you need to buy IBM support | Dec 08 20:15 |
| schestowitz-TR | or retrain | Dec 08 20:15 |
| schestowitz-TR | or open a Microsoft account | Dec 08 20:15 |
| MinceR | iirc the topic was not apt dependency solving but breaking a linux mint install through sheer stupidity :> | Dec 08 20:15 |
| schestowitz-TR | to report/study bugs | Dec 08 20:15 |
| schestowitz-TR | that, to me, is a step back | Dec 08 20:15 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: It was a Pop!_OS installation. | Dec 08 20:16 |
| schestowitz-TR | unless you're Big Dehomag | Dec 08 20:16 |
| MinceR | oh, right, another lendows flavor | Dec 08 20:16 |
| MinceR | unofficial flavor, even | Dec 08 20:16 |
| MinceR | not blessed by ibm | Dec 08 20:16 |
| MinceR | but then, debian does use dependencies as a weapon against users who don't want to run programs considered holy by the people in charge of debian | Dec 08 20:16 |
| schestowitz-TR | might get mugshot of graveley next week (police/arrest) | Dec 08 20:17 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Time to go full Flatpak then? | Dec 08 20:17 |
| MinceR | lol wut | Dec 08 20:17 |
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| XRevan86 | No dependencies, no problem? | Dec 08 20:17 |
| MinceR | no | Dec 08 20:17 |
| schestowitz-TR | lol | Dec 08 20:17 |
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| MinceR | it's better to switch to a real OS | Dec 08 20:18 |
| schestowitz-TR | app mentality | Dec 08 20:18 |
| schestowitz-TR | or windows | Dec 08 20:18 |
| schestowitz-TR | more like app | Dec 08 20:18 |
| schestowitz-TR | or container | Dec 08 20:18 |
| schestowitz-TR | one OS, 10 OSes in it | Dec 08 20:18 |
| schestowitz-TR | one for each browser | Dec 08 20:18 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Who's to say "real OS" doesn't use dependencies as a weapon? | Dec 08 20:18 |
| MinceR | because that's not what a real OS is designed for | Dec 08 20:19 |
| MinceR | its purpose is not "hey, let's make sure that people who don't want any of our shiny new malware don't get to avoid using it!" | Dec 08 20:19 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: So a real OS is Gentoo? | Dec 08 20:20 |
| XRevan86 | I don't know why it took me so long to figure this puzzle out. | Dec 08 20:20 |
| MinceR | probably | Dec 08 20:20 |
| MinceR | there are a couple real OS-es for now | Dec 08 20:20 |
| SomeH4x0r | iirc Gentoo still has a package manager | Dec 08 20:20 |
| SomeH4x0r | define "real" though | Dec 08 20:20 |
| MinceR | and there's nothing wrong with having a package manager | Dec 08 20:21 |
| MinceR | XRevan86 is trying real hard to twist my words | Dec 08 20:21 |
| XRevan86 | SomeH4x0r: Gentoo is flexible enough to fully support having systemd and not having systemd to a point where even libsystemd is not present, because nothing was linked with it. | Dec 08 20:21 |
| XRevan86 | Because the user is the one who chooses whether to link stuff in or not. | Dec 08 20:22 |
| *psydroid2 wonders when systemd is becoming a part of a new POSIX standard | Dec 08 20:24 | |
| schestowitz-TR | it would be a POS | Dec 08 20:25 |
| schestowitz-TR | no *IX in it | Dec 08 20:25 |
| schestowitz-TR | or *NIX | Dec 08 20:25 |
| schestowitz-TR | seems like a very non-modular thing | Dec 08 20:25 |
| MinceR | don't they consider POSIX to be obsolete already and push The Closed Group's SUS instead? | Dec 08 20:25 |
| schestowitz-TR | immodouar if it was a word | Dec 08 20:25 |
| schestowitz-TR | *immoidular | Dec 08 20:25 |
| psydroid2 | System V Release 6 | Dec 08 20:25 |
| MinceR | (which is basically "give us a lot of money and you can use the trademarks novell handed off to us") | Dec 08 20:26 |
| psydroid2 | or System VI | Dec 08 20:26 |
| schestowitz-TR | psydroid2: systemd can work OK | Dec 08 20:26 |
| schestowitz-TR | I get stuck sometimes when things do not work well | Dec 08 20:26 |
| XRevan86 | What bothers me is that even Alpine may stop being a "real OS" when MinceR decides that a "real OS" must not contain libpulse ever. | Dec 08 20:26 |
| psydroid2 | ah, the Systemd standard | Dec 08 20:26 |
| schestowitz-TR | the extra layers of complexity don't help | Dec 08 20:26 |
| schestowitz-TR | and old howtos are no longer "relkevant" | Dec 08 20:26 |
| schestowitz-TR | soon the manuals with certain "bad" words in them will also be outdated | Dec 08 20:27 |
| MinceR | XRevan86: why does my opinion bother you so much? | Dec 08 20:27 |
| psydroid2 | what used to apply to GNU/Linux still applies to OpenBSD | Dec 08 20:27 |
| schestowitz-TR | XRevan86: IBM will dump puse too some time soon | Dec 08 20:27 |
| schestowitz-TR | for pipewire | Dec 08 20:27 |
| schestowitz-TR | move fast | Dec 08 20:27 |
| schestowitz-TR | break linux | Dec 08 20:27 |
| MinceR | oh, also, poettering explicitly said he ignores POSIX | Dec 08 20:27 |
| schestowitz-TR | avahi | Dec 08 20:28 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: * libpipewire / libpulse | Dec 08 20:28 |
| schestowitz | "The Avahi project started in 2004 because Apple's Zeroconf implementation, Bonjour, used the GPL-incompatible Apple Public Source License. In 2006 Apple relicensed parts of Bonjour under the Apache License.[2]" | Dec 08 20:28 |
| schestowitz | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avahi_(software) | Dec 08 20:28 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Avahi (software) - Wikipedia | Dec 08 20:28 | |
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| XRevan86 | MinceR: Why did it bother you that I called you a hater of systemd? I thought it's only accurate. | Dec 08 20:30 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: The point I'm making is that for a compiled distribution it's impossible to be a "real OS" by your criteria. | Dec 08 20:31 |
| MinceR | seemed both irrelevant and something that has turned extremely repetitive | Dec 08 20:31 |
| MinceR | and that point is wrong | Dec 08 20:32 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Aren't ye pointing at Devuan and the libelogind dependency that is going to be present regardless? | Dec 08 20:32 |
| MinceR | there's no need to avoid binary packages to stop e.g. building OpenSSH with a nearly functionless libsystemd0 dependency while telling your users that running a debian system without systemd is still supported | Dec 08 20:32 |
| schestowitz-TR | XRevan86: it is a hard thing to remove | Dec 08 20:33 |
| schestowitz-TR | I can swap out most things | Dec 08 20:33 |
| schestowitz-TR | it's a massive challenge | Dec 08 20:33 |
| schestowitz-TR | like whose reinstall | Dec 08 20:33 |
| schestowitz-TR | to get systemd off a machine | Dec 08 20:34 |
| schestowitz-TR | unlike most other packages | Dec 08 20:34 |
| schestowitz-TR | except maybe Linux | Dec 08 20:34 |
| schestowitz-TR | I doubt you can change to another kernel on a 'live' system and just boot into some BDS | Dec 08 20:34 |
| schestowitz-TR | *BSD | Dec 08 20:34 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: When a hatred^W rejection of systemd is so strong that even the library is to be avoided, suddenly a distribution even giving systemd as an option becomes unacceptable. | Dec 08 20:34 |
| schestowitz-TR | gnu linux-libre is just linux with less stuff | Dec 08 20:34 |
| schestowitz-TR | XRevan86: distros do not give it as an option | Dec 08 20:35 |
| schestowitz-TR | it's not optional | Dec 08 20:35 |
| schestowitz-TR | try apk/apt/yum remove systemd | Dec 08 20:35 |
| schestowitz-TR | see how that goes | Dec 08 20:35 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: The Debian/Devuan thing kind of is that, since Devuan uses the Debian package tree. | Dec 08 20:35 |
| schestowitz-TR | dnf | Dec 08 20:35 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: They found a funky workaround with libelogind, but it doesn't change the fact that a lot of packages in the Devuan package tree (i.e. taken from Debian) were built with libsystemd. | Dec 08 20:36 |
| XRevan86 | It's a discussion that MinceR and I have for so many years. | Dec 08 20:37 |
| techrights-news | Kernel: Intel, Google, and WireGuard • Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/158891 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines | Dec 08 20:37 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Kernel: Intel, Google, and WireGuard | Tux Machines | Dec 08 20:37 | |
| MinceR | XRevan86: so, what is the benefit of linking something like OpenSSH to that library? | Dec 08 20:37 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: https://salsa.debian.org/ssh-team/openssh/-/blob/master/debian/patches/systemd-readiness.patch | Dec 08 20:40 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-salsa.debian.org | debian/patches/systemd-readiness.patch · master · Debian SSH Maintainers / openssh · GitLab | Dec 08 20:40 | |
| XRevan86 | Makes it work better with systemd, believe it or not. | Dec 08 20:41 |
| MinceR | that doesn't really explain anything | Dec 08 20:44 |
| XRevan86 | > The best systemd behavior, though, would come from adding sd_notify support so that sshd can affirmatively tell systemd whether it succeeded in startup or not, and then using Type=notify. Then sshd startup won't be considered complete until the sshd daemon calls sd_notify, and the correct status will be reported if it exits for some reason before doing so. | Dec 08 20:46 |
| MinceR | i'm not sure why this is considered to be such a great and important feature | Dec 08 20:46 |
| MinceR | what guarantees that the daemon won't fail, freeze or crash _after_ it passes that particular point in execution? | Dec 08 20:46 |
| techrights-news | Links 8/12/2021: Linux 5.15.7 Out, #LinuxMint 20.3 is Near • Techrights ⚓ http://techrights.org/2021/12/08/linux-mint-20-3/ ䷉ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/12/08/linux-mint-20-3/ | Dec 08 20:47 |
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| techrights-news | #Programming Leftovers • Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/158892 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines | Dec 08 20:47 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Programming Leftovers | Tux Machines | Dec 08 20:47 | |
| techrights-news | Today’s 𝘛𝘶𝘹 𝘔𝘢𝘤𝘩𝘪𝘯𝘦𝘴 Leftovers • Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/158893 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines | Dec 08 20:48 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's leftovers | Tux Machines | Dec 08 20:48 | |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: This is for "Restart=on-failure" | Dec 08 20:48 |
| MinceR | so you want OpenSSH to restart in a loop if and only if it fails before that point in execution | Dec 08 20:49 |
| MinceR | why is that a good thing? | Dec 08 20:49 |
| immibis | MinceR: you put the feature AFTER all the points where the daemon can fail, freeze or crash on startup... | Dec 08 20:49 |
| immibis | int main() {initialize(); sd_notify(); while(true) {serve_requests();}} | Dec 08 20:49 |
| immibis | then, systemd still considers sshd as "starting up" until initialization is done | Dec 08 20:50 |
| immibis | this is actually a useful feature for any process manager and i wish the implementation wasn't systemd-specific | Dec 08 20:50 |
| schestowitz | https://www.debugpoint.com/2021/12/microsoft-performance-tools-linux/ | Dec 08 20:51 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Empty reply from server ( status 0 @ https://www.debugpoint.com/2021/12/microsoft-performance-tools-linux/ ) | Dec 08 20:51 | |
| schestowitz | more junk | Dec 08 20:51 |
| MinceR | immibis: it can fail anywhere | Dec 08 20:52 |
| MinceR | and if you say that its dependents should only start after it's initialized, well, the above code has a race condition for that | Dec 08 20:53 |
| immibis | does it? what is the race condition? | Dec 08 20:53 |
| MinceR | sd_notify(); sends the notification; dependent service starts, tries to connect and fails; while loop starts | Dec 08 20:53 |
| immibis | there is no race condition when accepting connections, because creating the server socket is part of the initialize step, and after that, incoming connections are buffered by the kernel until serve_requests() | Dec 08 20:53 |
| MinceR | sounds like you could just watch for the server socket being created | Dec 08 20:54 |
| immibis | you want dependents to POLL?! | Dec 08 20:54 |
| MinceR | maybe the service manager could do it | Dec 08 20:54 |
| immibis | systemd probably has that feature. downstream services shouldn't need to | Dec 08 20:54 |
| immibis | still why should systemd need to poll? | Dec 08 20:54 |
| MinceR | then again, maybe you could just use xinetd for that | Dec 08 20:54 |
| techrights-news | This Extension Reproduces Old Fashioned Desktop Cube in GNOME 40 / 41 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/158835#comment-32011 | Dec 08 20:54 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Enable This Cool 3D Cube Desktop Effect on Ubuntu 21.10 | Tux Machines | Dec 08 20:55 | |
| immibis | polling is a hack | Dec 08 20:55 |
| techrights-news | The 10 Best Ubuntu-Based Linux Distributions of All Time • Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/158894 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines | Dec 08 20:55 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | The 10 Best Ubuntu-Based Linux Distributions of All Time | Tux Machines | Dec 08 20:55 | |
| MinceR | so is using a systemd-specific interface to signal readiness | Dec 08 20:55 |
| immibis | MinceR: you will be shocked to know that systemd ALSO supports not starting the service until after it receives its first connection, like xinetd, although i think the interface is different | Dec 08 20:55 |
| immibis | well yeah i did say it probably shouldn't be systemd-specific because it is a good idea for all init systems | Dec 08 20:55 |
| MinceR | but of course it isn't going to work any other way when the people pushing for this don't _want_ anyone to have a choice of service managers | Dec 08 20:55 |
| immibis | have you tried implementing the systemd interface? | Dec 08 20:56 |
| MinceR | no | Dec 08 20:56 |
| MinceR | a lot of its "interface" relies on dbugs, which is an abomination | Dec 08 20:56 |
| immibis | this is open source software, the saying is code or gtfo. now that's not an option for systemd because it's pretty closed to design changes AIUI. so make a wrapper that converts systemd insanity into whatever you like | Dec 08 20:58 |
| MinceR | yeah, i know that one | Dec 08 20:58 |
| MinceR | "just fork MY software and use it, because it's "open source"" | Dec 08 20:59 |
| MinceR | "if you don't like MY way of doing things then you're just a hater and a bigot!" | Dec 08 20:59 |
| immibis | who said anything about haters and bigots | Dec 08 21:00 |
| immibis | open source is a meritocracy and the free market has decided the systemd guy is much much better than you | Dec 08 21:00 |
| MinceR | that's a free market? | Dec 08 21:01 |
| XRevan86 | immibis: I called MinceR a systemd hater, didn't expect a strong reaction from that. | Dec 08 21:01 |
| hyperreal | hi all | Dec 08 21:01 |
| MinceR | also, no, "open source" is not a meritocracy | Dec 08 21:01 |
| MinceR | "open source" is an attack on free software, driven by the fiercest enemies of free software | Dec 08 21:01 |
| immibis | MinceR: believe it or not, free markets don't always go your way | Dec 08 21:02 |
| immibis | absolutely no government is mandating the use of systemd in linux distros | Dec 08 21:02 |
| MinceR | "open source" is a method to accommodate OSPS and try to dress it up as if it was equivalent to free software | Dec 08 21:02 |
| MinceR | immibis: so i take it you haven't heard of Restricted Boot either | Dec 08 21:02 |
| MinceR | or how red hat and canonical paid their alleged competitor microsoft to gain temporary entry into the PC OS market | Dec 08 21:03 |
| immibis | absolutely no government is mandating the use of restricted boot | Dec 08 21:03 |
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| immibis | at least not for YOUR computer. maybe they use it internally | Dec 08 21:03 |
| MinceR | microsoft's deals with OEMs apparently mandate it | Dec 08 21:03 |
| immibis | microsoft is not a government | Dec 08 21:03 |
| immibis | OEMs are not a government | Dec 08 21:03 |
| MinceR | because it's practically impossible to get a new PC without such malware on it | Dec 08 21:03 |
| MinceR | so what? | Dec 08 21:03 |
| immibis | and OEMs are just companies that assemble PCs for you. Try assembling your own instead | Dec 08 21:03 |
| immibis | it comes without microsoft | Dec 08 21:03 |
| MinceR | when private corporations distort the market with government help, that doesn't count? | Dec 08 21:03 |
| immibis | the government does not help microsoft make deals with OEMs about restricted boot | Dec 08 21:04 |
| MinceR | yeah, try manufacturing your own x86 CPUs and see if the government will help the x86 cartel punish you and stop you from doing so | Dec 08 21:04 |
| immibis | one time I tried manufacturing my own money and the government helped the money cartel punish me and stop me from doing so | Dec 08 21:04 |
| immibis | one time I tried robbing my own bank and the government helped the bank cartel punish me and stop me from doing so | Dec 08 21:04 |
| MinceR | do you have an actual point or are you merely trying to waste everybody's time? | Dec 08 21:05 |
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| immibis | free markets are not magic do-everything-the-way-i-like machines | Dec 08 21:05 |
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| immibis | if you want everything done the way you like then do it yourself | Dec 08 21:05 |
| MinceR | free markets are not machines | Dec 08 21:05 |
| MinceR | they're merely markets that are free | Dec 08 21:06 |
| XRevan86 | Maybe a free market would have been more feasible if the manufacturing process wasn't patented through and through. | Dec 08 21:06 |
| MinceR | and it's obvious to anyone who has spent a decade in the industry that the PC OS market is not a free market | Dec 08 21:06 |
| XRevan86 | It's a funny anecdote that patents were invented to help the little guy. | Dec 08 21:06 |
| MinceR | indeed | Dec 08 21:06 |
| MinceR | copyrights aren't better either | Dec 08 21:07 |
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| immibis | is the government enforcing PCs to come with a certain OS? | Dec 08 21:09 |
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| schestowitz | Micro Larabel https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MS-Performance-Tools-Linux | Dec 08 21:10 |
| -altlink_4a9/#techrights-📣 Cloudflare: phoronix.com | 🙆 Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MS-Performance-Tools-Linux | Dec 08 21:10 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Microsoft Releases Performance Tools For Linux/Android - Phoronix | Dec 08 21:10 | |
| hyperreal | @MinceR what Unix-like distro do you use? | Dec 08 21:10 |
| MinceR | OpenBSD, Bedrock, Devuan | Dec 08 21:10 |
| hyperreal | (you may have told me the other day, but I forgot) | Dec 08 21:10 |
| schestowitz | VERY IMPORTANT News from Phoronix | Dec 08 21:10 |
| MinceR | oh, also postmarketOS | Dec 08 21:10 |
| schestowitz | postgresOS next | Dec 08 21:10 |
| schestowitz | everything as a file = unix | Dec 08 21:11 |
| MinceR | lol | Dec 08 21:11 |
| schestowitz | everything as a DB = postgresOS | Dec 08 21:11 |
| hyperreal | MinceR I see you are more of a Unix purist | Dec 08 21:12 |
| MinceR | immibis: the point isn't really whether the government is interfering with the market or not. but some of the things they do (such as enforcing patents) do interfere | Dec 08 21:12 |
| MinceR | well, i'm someone who got tired of the brokenness of windows and moved to GNU/Linux | Dec 08 21:12 |
| MinceR | then the windows people moved to GNU/Linux and started turning it into windows | Dec 08 21:12 |
| techrights-news | How many #gnu #linux 'news' sites seriously think that #microsoft vomiting stuff out is "news" to GNU/Linux users? Links and context omitted, but #phoronix joins Microsoft boosters like #neowin | Dec 08 21:12 |
| MinceR | and i haven't grown to like windows in the meantime | Dec 08 21:12 |
| hyperreal | I see | Dec 08 21:14 |
| hyperreal | MinceR do you have a Gemini capsule? | Dec 08 21:14 |
| techrights-news | "A big improvement has been merged into XWayland called DRM (Direct Rendering Manager) Leasing, which should allow good VR support under Wayland. Something we've been waiting on!" https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2021/12/xwayland-gets-drm-leasing-support-for-helping-vr-on-linux | Dec 08 21:14 |
| -altlink_4a9/#techrights-📣 Cloudflare: gamingonlinux.com | 🙆 Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2021/12/xwayland-gets-drm-leasing-support-for-helping-vr-on-linux | Dec 08 21:14 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-XWayland gets DRM leasing support for helping VR on Linux | GamingOnLinux | Dec 08 21:14 | |
| MinceR | not yet | Dec 08 21:14 |
| MinceR | i don't even have much of a website currently | Dec 08 21:14 |
| schestowitz-TR | I can help if you need it | Dec 08 21:15 |
| MinceR | i don't really have anything to put there :> | Dec 08 21:15 |
| schestowitz-TR | maybe run a mirror for .hu news | Dec 08 21:16 |
| schestowitz-TR | there's that guy from budapest who does charting of gemini stas | Dec 08 21:16 |
| schestowitz-TR | botond or whatever | Dec 08 21:16 |
| MinceR | i have other stuff to do | Dec 08 21:17 |
| schestowitz-TR | fair enough | Dec 08 21:17 |
| MinceR | i have actually put some code up on codeberg though | Dec 08 21:17 |
| schestowitz-TR | you can put git in gemini | Dec 08 21:18 |
| schestowitz-TR | we posted all the code | Dec 08 21:18 |
| schestowitz-TR | agplv3 | Dec 08 21:18 |
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| schestowitz | XRevan86: oh wow | Dec 08 21:19 |
| schestowitz | http://opennet.ru/ | Dec 08 21:19 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-opennet.ru | OpenNet ?? "www" - ??????? ???? ???? ? ????? ?, Linux, BSD ? Unix ????? | Dec 08 21:19 | |
| schestowitz | I've just realised tuxmachines is at the bottom of all the pages | Dec 08 21:19 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: Um, what? | Dec 08 21:20 |
| schestowitz-TR | tuxmachines is syndicated there | Dec 08 21:20 |
| schestowitz-TR | in the footers of pages, sort of | Dec 08 21:20 |
| *XRevan86 doesn't see it. | Dec 08 21:21 | |
| SomeH4x0r | I didn't notice anything either | Dec 08 21:21 |
| schestowitz | e.g. http://opennet.ru/english.shtml | Dec 08 21:21 |
| schestowitz | e.g. http://opennet.ru/english.shtml | Dec 08 21:22 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-opennet.ru | The OpenNet Project - English index | Dec 08 21:22 | |
| schestowitz | see bottom | Dec 08 21:22 |
| XRevan86 | Oh, English OpenNET… I had no idea that exists :) | Dec 08 21:22 |
| SomeH4x0r | oh, I opened the main page, which is in Russian | Dec 08 21:22 |
| schestowitz-TR | XRevan86: it it the "foreign agent" section | Dec 08 21:22 |
| MinceR | :) | Dec 08 21:23 |
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| XRevan86 | I guess it's to track the news to grab. | Dec 08 21:23 |
| techrights-news | "it was a great opportunity to ask him for more details about the market and where everything is headed (and if Linux fits anywhere currently)." https://boilingsteam.com/the-dramatic-rise-of-esports-worldwide/ | Dec 08 21:23 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-boilingsteam.com | The Dramatic Rise of Esports Worldwide - Boiling Steam | Dec 08 21:24 | |
| techrights-news | "In a world where browser extensions basically deliver discounts t e-commerce sites as soon as they’re needed, it can be strange to consider the printed coupon in that context." https://tedium.co/2021/12/08/manufacturers-coupon-history/ | Dec 08 21:25 |
| -altlink_4a9/#techrights-📣 Cloudflare: tedium.co | 🙆 Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://tedium.co/2021/12/08/manufacturers-coupon-history/ | Dec 08 21:25 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-tedium.co | Manufacturers Coupon History: Running Discounts, With Scissors | Dec 08 21:25 | |
| techrights-news | Germany’s new government will firmly defend encryption, key Social Democrat says - EURACTIV.com ⚓ https://www.euractiv.com/section/data-protection/interview/germanys-new-government-will-firmly-defend-encryption-key-social-democrat-says/ ䷉ #euractiv is bribed by #billgates and occasionally published lies, so let's see how this goes... | Dec 08 21:26 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Germany’s new government will firmly defend encryption, key Social Democrat says – EURACTIV.com | Dec 08 21:26 | |
| schestowitz | activelow: ^^ | Dec 08 21:27 |
| MinceR | https://www.madmagazine.com/sites/default/files/imce/2014/06-JUN/Don-Martin_Around-Noon-on-a-Movie-Set_53908a59427474.29237856.jpg | Dec 08 21:29 |
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| techrights-news | The intriguing implications of SFC v Vizio http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/156985#comment-32013 | Dec 08 21:31 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Vizio Sued for GPL Violations | Tux Machines | Dec 08 21:31 | |
| techrights-news | "A #css based keylogger" #www #Surveillance #SurveillanceCaptalism https://lists.orbitalfox.eu/archives/gemini/2021/007663.html | Dec 08 21:33 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lists.orbitalfox.eu | [Tech] The security consequences of the Web complexity | Dec 08 21:33 | |
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| immibis | MinceR: are you opposed to property rights? | Dec 08 21:36 |
| schestowitz-TR | define that | Dec 08 21:37 |
| schestowitz-TR | is land property? | Dec 08 21:37 |
| immibis | define property rights? | Dec 08 21:37 |
| schestowitz-TR | ideas property? | Dec 08 21:37 |
| schestowitz-TR | yes, define it | Dec 08 21:37 |
| immibis | property rights are generally when you can trade the right to shoot other people if they do certain things | Dec 08 21:37 |
| schestowitz-TR | even "property" itself need defining | Dec 08 21:38 |
| immibis | or the indirect right to shoot or imprison people | Dec 08 21:38 |
| immibis | reducing all possible punishments to "shooting" or "imprisonment" is a libertarian pastime... | Dec 08 21:38 |
| MinceR | immibis: no, i'm not opposed to property rights | Dec 08 21:38 |
| MinceR | but i don't consider Imaginary Property to be property | Dec 08 21:38 |
| immibis | it sounds like you don't think people should own their work output. are you a communist? | Dec 08 21:39 |
| SomeH4x0r | I support the opinion that copyright is imaginary | Dec 08 21:40 |
| immibis | sounds communist | Dec 08 21:40 |
| SomeH4x0r | I don't consider it to be property | Dec 08 21:40 |
| MinceR | no, the communists are the ones who try to centrally control who may enter a particular market | Dec 08 21:40 |
| immibis | in this here capitalist economy we believe in people pulling up their own bootstraps and doing whatever they like with the things they create | Dec 08 21:40 |
| MinceR | like microsoft | Dec 08 21:41 |
| SomeH4x0r | because it is another thing, something that can be copied and distributed indefinitely. You wouldn't download a car | Dec 08 21:41 |
| immibis | it's only communist when a government does it | Dec 08 21:41 |
| MinceR | i would download a car if i could | Dec 08 21:41 |
| MinceR | well, then there's an easy solution for you | Dec 08 21:41 |
| MinceR | rename the government to something that is not "government" | Dec 08 21:41 |
| SomeH4x0r | I don't like the presence of the police on the Internet | Dec 08 21:41 |
| MinceR | boom, they're allowed to do anything! | Dec 08 21:41 |
| psydroid2 | free software magically became open source! | Dec 08 21:42 |
| immibis | that is unironically what libertarians want | Dec 08 21:42 |
| immibis | do we have a derogatory term for libertarians? | Dec 08 21:42 |
| immibis | fun fact: true anarchy has been tried, and it evolved into governments | Dec 08 21:42 |
| techrights-news | #CrowdStrike itself is #Microsoft -connected, as I noted many dozens of times over the years https://nitter.eu/stautistic/status/1468334293084561410?s=21 | Dec 08 21:43 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-nitter.eu | mitchel lewis (@stautistic): "Microsoft has a monopoly on almost every threat vector, is the most expensive architecture by far, and is a champion of vendor lock-in. Meanwhile in journalism: “Customers losing trust in Microsoft” Where does journalism think Gates learned this trick?😉 https://www.cjr.org/criticism/gates-foundation-journalism-funding.php" | nitter | Dec 08 21:43 | |
| MinceR | fun fact: that doesn't make government a good idea | Dec 08 21:43 |
| SomeH4x0r | Anything that has its source code posted in publicly accessible sources is open source | Dec 08 21:44 |
| schestowitz | [21:42] <psydroid2> free software magically became open source! | Dec 08 21:45 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft became "Loves Linux" | Dec 08 21:45 |
| immibis | MinceR: so you're an advocate of renaming government to something that's not "government" | Dec 08 21:49 |
| immibis | because that's what happens when you have no government: you do have a government, it's just not called that | Dec 08 21:49 |
| SomeH4x0r | "Freedom is slavery"? | Dec 08 21:50 |
| SomeH4x0r | don't break the language at least | Dec 08 21:50 |
| MinceR | immibis: no, i advocate enlightening people so they won't want a government and will disagree with the notion that it is moral for people to have authority over other people | Dec 08 21:51 |
| MinceR | immibis: also, i'm an advocate of not putting words in other people's mouths. | Dec 08 21:51 |
| techrights-news | #theregister became #wbspam or #spamfarm : "PAID POST... Sponsored by Kasten" https://www.theregister.com/2021/12/07/kubernetes_express_kasten/ see http://techrights.org/2021/02/28/the-register-microsoft-pr/ | Dec 08 22:00 |
| -altlink_4a9/#techrights-📣 Cloudflare: theregister.com | 🙆 Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.theregister.com/2021/12/07/kubernetes_express_kasten/ | Dec 08 22:00 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.com | Want to get aboard the Kubernetes Express? Start learning now • The Register | Dec 08 22:00 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The Fall of The Register | Techrights | Dec 08 22:00 | |
| techrights-news | Yet more of Microsoft inside the 'Linux' Foundation http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/158828#comment-32015 | Dec 08 22:07 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | 'Linux' Foundation Leftovers | Tux Machines | Dec 08 22:07 | |
| techrights-news | Of course the latest #linuxfoundation project uses #microsoft #ProprietarySoftware hosting for the code. #deletegithub | Dec 08 22:08 |
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| techrights-news | #TWCN 'Tech' 'News' is 'covering' "Linux" today... telling #gnu #linux users to install a #microsoft PASSWORD STEALER. DO NOT TOUCH EDGE. It's malware. http://techrights.org/2021/11/17/microsoft-password-stealer/ | Dec 08 22:11 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Bruce Schneier: Microsoft Edge is Apparently a Password Stealer Too, Even on GNU/Linux | Techrights | Dec 08 22:12 | |
| techrights-news | LOL. #ibm has just got a new kidney. "Hello! My name is Emma Kidney. I am currently an intern for the CPE (Community Platform Engineering) team at Red Hat." #redhat | Dec 08 22:13 |
| MinceR | (cat) https://i.imgur.com/hIXHGdZ.jpeg | Dec 08 22:14 |
| -altlink_4a9/#techrights-📣 Cloudflare: imgur.com | 🙆 Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://i.imgur.com/hIXHGdZ.jpeg | Dec 08 22:14 | |
| techrights-news | "Emma Kidney [...] an intern for the CPE (Community Platform Engineering) team at Red Hat [...] . I am interested in web accessibilty and universal design. I believe the web should be accessible for all, no matter what your abilities are." So tell #redhat to fix its Web sites. They shut out blind people and demand you run #ProprietarySoftware #javascript | Dec 08 22:15 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: pussy, cat | Dec 08 22:15 |
| techrights-news | #ibm #redhat focuses too much on optics and theatrics, using the diversity scope to distract from what IBM ACTUALLY is, and always was... yes, it also helped Hitler 'euthanise' hundreds of thousands of disabled people (Aktion T4) http://techrights.org/wiki/IBM | Dec 08 22:18 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IBM - Techrights | Dec 08 22:18 | |
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| techrights-news | So what if #ibm founder was an enthusiastic fan of Hitler, right #redhat h RIGHT? Far-right? http://techrights.org/2021/04/25/ibm-germany-history/ | Dec 08 22:19 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Documentary: IBM Founder (Watson) Gave a Nazi Salute, Admired Hitler, Said Hitler Was Doing the Right Thing | Techrights | Dec 08 22:19 | |
| techrights-news | Come on, people. Give #IBM a break. It's not like it's some Nazi company. Oh... http://techrights.org/2021/04/25/edwin-black-2021/ | Dec 08 22:20 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | New Interview With Edwin Black: IBM Has Never Apologised, Instead It Hid Its Role in Nazi Germany | Techrights | Dec 08 22:20 | |
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| immibis | MinceR: if you don't have a government, then you do have a government, it's just not called that | Dec 08 22:22 |
| immibis | for example, google might be the government in that scenario. | Dec 08 22:23 |
| techrights-news | Zorin OS 16 Lite is a great Linux-based Windows 11 alternative for older PCs http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/158878#comment-32016 | Dec 08 22:23 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Zorin OS 16 Celebrates More Than 1 Million Downloads with Lite Edition | Tux Machines | Dec 08 22:23 | |
| MinceR | immibis: in that case, every person should be their own "government", with authority only over themselves | Dec 08 22:23 |
| techrights-news | Little Switzerlands: Alpine Kitsch in England – The Public Domain Review ⚓ https://publicdomainreview.org/essay/little-switzerlands-alpine-kitsch-in-england/ ䷉ #publicdomainreview #publicdomain #Switzerland | Dec 08 22:24 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-publicdomainreview.org | Little Switzerlands: Alpine Kitsch in England – The Public Domain Review | Dec 08 22:24 | |
| schestowitz-TR | MinceR: who 'owns' the government? | Dec 08 22:24 |
| schestowitz-TR | whose 'property'? | Dec 08 22:24 |
| schestowitz-TR | does a government have "rights"? | Dec 08 22:24 |
| schestowitz-TR | is the government an organism? | Dec 08 22:25 |
| schestowitz-TR | let's cross over to philosophy meme site | Dec 08 22:25 |
| MinceR | schestowitz-TR: Quis custodiet ipsos custodes? | Dec 08 22:25 |
| schestowitz-TR | don't speak latin, but can guess what that says | Dec 08 22:27 |
| MinceR | "who watches the watchmen?" or something like that | Dec 08 22:27 |
| techrights-news | Meet Calculate Linux 22! http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/158875#comment-32017 | Dec 08 22:27 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Gentoo-Based Calculate Linux 22 Released with PipeWire, Improved System Updates | Tux Machines | Dec 08 22:27 | |
| schestowitz-TR | well, with epo coverage we do lots of watching of european orgs | Dec 08 22:27 |
| schestowitz-TR | which is very rewarding | Dec 08 22:27 |
| schestowitz-TR | as the media is mostly asleep or dead(weight) | Dec 08 22:28 |
| techrights-news | "This release contains bug fixes to improve robustness. This release note describes what’s different between Istio 1.12.0 and #Istio 1.12.1" https://istio.io/latest/news/releases/1.12.x/announcing-1.12.1/ | Dec 08 22:28 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-istio.io | Istio / Announcing Istio 1.12.1 | Dec 08 22:28 | |
| leah | country/land = computer | Dec 08 22:29 |
| leah | state = operating system | Dec 08 22:29 |
| leah | government = operating system kernel | Dec 08 22:29 |
| schestowitz-TR | allocates resources | Dec 08 22:29 |
| leah | without a central government, you might end up with a series of smaller governments instead. and they might have to work with each other | Dec 08 22:29 |
| schestowitz-TR | sysytemd is..? | Dec 08 22:29 |
| leah | and then you might in that instance have a microkernel | Dec 08 22:29 |
| schestowitz-TR | systemd is like state-connected mafia | Dec 08 22:30 |
| schestowitz-TR | it runs everything | Dec 08 22:30 |
| schestowitz-TR | but "officials"... just an "init system" | Dec 08 22:30 |
| schestowitz-TR | *oficially | Dec 08 22:30 |
| leah | nah systemd is more like a government oversight committee that got too huge and is almost another government | Dec 08 22:30 |
| schestowitz-TR | you can reject the mafia | Dec 08 22:31 |
| schestowitz-TR | but then it starts burning your stuff | Dec 08 22:31 |
| schestowitz-TR | linux= wall street | Dec 08 22:31 |
| schestowitz-TR | system= k street | Dec 08 22:31 |
| schestowitz-TR | *systemd | Dec 08 22:31 |
| leah | department of foreign affairs = networking code | Dec 08 22:32 |
| schestowitz-TR | but gnu runs the show | Dec 08 22:32 |
| schestowitz-TR | and gets no credit | Dec 08 22:32 |
| schestowitz-TR | the media tells me ls is linux command | Dec 08 22:32 |
| schestowitz-TR | but i man ls | Dec 08 22:32 |
| schestowitz-TR | and I don't see a finnish dude named | Dec 08 22:33 |
| schestowitz-TR | maybe it's not a linux thing | Dec 08 22:33 |
| leah | ls is part of coreutils | Dec 08 22:33 |
| schestowitz-TR | i know | Dec 08 22:33 |
| schestowitz-TR | linux coreutils ;-) | Dec 08 22:33 |
| schestowitz-TR | in ls the l stands for linux ;-) | Dec 08 22:33 |
| leah | to be fair though, linus would probably do a good job if he did reimplement coreutils | Dec 08 22:33 |
| techrights-news | Rubber Tyres Before There Were Tyres | Hackaday ⚓ https://hackaday.com/2021/12/08/rubber-tyres-before-there-were-tyres/ ䷉ #hackaday | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/12/08/#latest | Dec 08 22:35 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Rubber Tyres Before There Were Tyres | Hackaday | Dec 08 22:35 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com | Social Control Media Posts | Dec 08 22:35 | |
| schestowitz-TR | leah: it would be called LinuS | Dec 08 22:35 |
| schestowitz-TR | he calls things after himself | Dec 08 22:35 |
| MinceR | systemd is that megacorporation that effectively became the government :> | Dec 08 22:35 |
| leah | oh my | Dec 08 22:35 |
| MinceR | or church | Dec 08 22:35 |
| schestowitz-TR | MinceR: old ibm | Dec 08 22:35 |
| leah | nah gnu is the church | Dec 08 22:35 |
| schestowitz-TR | before it became a dying monster | Dec 08 22:35 |
| leah | linux is more of a citadel | Dec 08 22:36 |
| activelow | what would benefit the GNU branding more: a strong linux branding or a weak one? | Dec 08 22:36 |
| MinceR | a citadel with way too many microsoft soldiers in it | Dec 08 22:36 |
| leah | lxo is a high priest | Dec 08 22:36 |
| leah | what would benefit gnu more is a decent git hosting site | Dec 08 22:38 |
| leah | and a rewrite. many of its tools are bloated and/or buggy | Dec 08 22:38 |
| activelow | busybox exists | Dec 08 22:38 |
| leah | gnubox | Dec 08 22:39 |
| activelow | however, there is no real alternative to the #1 GNU project: GCC | Dec 08 22:39 |
| leah | except llvm | Dec 08 22:39 |
| activelow | which isn't an alternative, because it is equally heavyweight | Dec 08 22:39 |
| activelow | a corporate monstrosity | Dec 08 22:39 |
| activelow | SDCC compiler, couldn't test it yet, 16bit unix systems, it's GPL too | Dec 08 22:40 |
| leah | it didn't have to be that way. chris lattner offered llvm to gnu in 2005 | Dec 08 22:40 |
| activelow | interesting. | Dec 08 22:40 |
| techrights-news | Snowball Fights in Art (1400–1946) – The Public Domain Review ⚓ https://publicdomainreview.org/collection/snowball-fights/ ䷉ #publicdomainreview | Dec 08 22:40 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-publicdomainreview.org | Snowball Fights in Art (1400–1946) – The Public Domain Review | Dec 08 22:40 | |
| leah | https://gcc.gnu.org/legacy-ml/gcc/2005-11/msg00888.html | Dec 08 22:40 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-gcc.gnu.org | Chris Lattner - LLVM/GCC Integration Proposal | Dec 08 22:40 | |
| leah | there is an alternative universe where https://www.gnu.org/software/llvm exists | Dec 08 22:42 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 404 @ https://www.gnu.org/software/llvm ) | Dec 08 22:42 | |
| activelow | llvm was written in c++ ? | Dec 08 22:42 |
| activelow | i am already looking forward to compiling linux kernel with a C99 compliant compiler... without any magical extension supported | Dec 08 22:44 |
| techrights-news | Made To Spec: The Coming Age Of Prototyping As A Service | Hackaday ⚓ https://hackaday.com/2021/12/08/made-to-spec-the-coming-age-of-prototyping-as-a-service/ ䷉ #hackaday #pcb | Dec 08 22:45 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Made To Spec: The Coming Age Of Prototyping As A Service | Hackaday | Dec 08 22:45 | |
| MinceR | https://www.engrish.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/10/baby-hunt.jpg ( https://www.engrish.com/2018/10/is-it-baby-season-already/ ) | Dec 08 22:46 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.engrish.com | Is it baby season already? | Dec 08 22:46 | |
| *betsy (~igloo@d9tvs44uyg5y6.irc) has joined #techrights | Dec 08 22:47 | |
| techrights-news | #GstVA in #GStreamer 1.20 - Herostratus’ legacy ⚓ https://blogs.igalia.com/vjaquez/2021/12/08/gstva-in-gstreamer-1-20/ ䷉ #igalia #linux #freesw | Dec 08 22:49 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blogs.igalia.com | GstVA in GStreamer 1.20 – Herostratus’ legacy | Dec 08 22:49 | |
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| techrights-news | #ubuntu Revisiting default initramfs compression ⚓ https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2021-December/041726.html ䷉ #canonical #linux | Dec 08 22:51 |
| -altlink_4a9/#techrights-📣 Cloudflare: ubuntu.com | 🙆 Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2021-December/041726.html | Dec 08 22:51 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lists.ubuntu.com | Revisiting default initramfs compression | Dec 08 22:51 | |
| techrights-news | #TechDecisions = #spamfarm or #www as a link farm of crap. Web is dying... being overrun by fake reviews, fake news, spam, marketing, provocation etc. | Dec 08 22:53 |
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| techrights-news | Squishy Robot Hardware Does Well Under Pressure | #Hackaday https://hackaday.com/2021/12/08/squishy-robot-hardware-does-well-under-pressure/ | Dec 08 22:55 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Squishy Robot Hardware Does Well Under Pressure | Hackaday | Dec 08 22:55 | |
| leah | schestowitz-TR: btw, we were talking about untitled yesterday. i didn't tell you: | Dec 08 22:57 |
| leah | translations are supported now. multi-language sites are now fully supported. i just haven't updated the docs to say so yet | Dec 08 22:57 |
| leah | but you can see an example of the multi-language support in use on this site: | Dec 08 22:57 |
| leah | https://trans.chat/ | Dec 08 22:57 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-trans.chat | TransChat – Advice for transgender people, including non-binary and intersex | Dec 08 22:57 | |
| leah | english, polish and portuguese | Dec 08 22:57 |
| leah | i'm going to start asking for translations to libreboot.org soon | Dec 08 22:57 |
| leah | those language menus on pages are automatically generated | Dec 08 22:58 |
| techrights-news | Net effect of #mozilla releasing #firefox so often is that it's a PAIN to maintain and hard to fork/branch off. Same method IBM Gulag use with #systemd and #chromium respectively... release buggy stuff very often, and nobody will catch up | Dec 08 22:58 |
| leah | on every page. but it's done per-page. which means you can have a situation where some pages more more or less translations than others | Dec 08 22:58 |
| leah | like on gnu.org | Dec 08 22:58 |
| leah | (except i'm using markdown. those people are using texinfo) | Dec 08 22:58 |
| leah | have a look at the last few commits in untitled to see how i pulled it off | Dec 08 22:59 |
| leah | https://notabug.org/untitled/untitled/commits/master | Dec 08 22:59 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Commit History · untitled/untitled - NotABug.org: Free code hosting | Dec 08 22:59 | |
| *schestowitz-TR checking | Dec 08 22:59 | |
| leah | last 12 commits | Dec 08 22:59 |
| techrights-news | #Security Leftovers • Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/158895 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines | Dec 08 22:59 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Security Leftovers | Tux Machines | Dec 08 22:59 | |
| leah | relative to 9febc23494 | Dec 08 23:00 |
| leah | that and 11 commits before it | Dec 08 23:00 |
| leah | the way i'm handling it is very minimalist compared to most other solutions | Dec 08 23:00 |
| schestowitz-TR | bash | Dec 08 23:00 |
| leah | but you could use it for other things besides translations too | Dec 08 23:01 |
| schestowitz-TR | clean code | Dec 08 23:01 |
| leah | for example | Dec 08 23:01 |
| leah | property.sales.md | Dec 08 23:01 |
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| leah | property.mortgages.md | Dec 08 23:01 |
| leah | property.rent.md | Dec 08 23:01 |
| leah | and "sales", "mortgages" and "rent" would appear in the menu | Dec 08 23:01 |
| schestowitz | " shaggy486e1e30a0 leah is stupid6 months ago" | Dec 08 23:01 |
| leah | schestowitz: shaggy is me. it's a joke. a reference to the shaggy meme | Dec 08 23:02 |
| leah | when i can't figure something out and need help, shaggy takes over | Dec 08 23:02 |
| schestowitz | mr loverman? | Dec 08 23:02 |
| schestowitz-TR | or the cartoon? | Dec 08 23:02 |
| leah | my favourite shaggy commit is https://notabug.org/untitled/untitled/commit/73df2aa02859b993b92d5704996f00f1048f63e8 | Dec 08 23:02 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-don't run sha1sum twice! · 73df2aa028 - NotABug.org: Free code hosting | Dec 08 23:02 | |
| leah | the live action shaggy, from the live action scooby film | Dec 08 23:02 |
| leah | the one from the meme | Dec 08 23:02 |
| schestowitz-TR | ok, the latter | Dec 08 23:02 |
| leah | though i don't use sha1sum/xxhsum anymore | Dec 08 23:03 |
| schestowitz-TR | if you code so much in bash then | Dec 08 23:03 |
| leah | now i use date -r file +%s | Dec 08 23:03 |
| schestowitz-TR | you can easily port that over to do gemini too | Dec 08 23:03 |
| leah | yep | Dec 08 23:03 |
| schestowitz-TR | it will be even easier | Dec 08 23:03 |
| schestowitz-TR | as writing out gemtext is like.... nothing | Dec 08 23:03 |
| leah | that's what i want to do. it's on todo | Dec 08 23:03 |
| schestowitz-TR | # Menu | Dec 08 23:04 |
| leah | hybrid http/gemini static site generator. where gemtext can be the source markup for html too | Dec 08 23:04 |
| schestowitz-TR | => itemurl menu name | Dec 08 23:04 |
| schestowitz-TR | ## story title | Dec 08 23:04 |
| leah | but markdown overrides it, on http sites. but on gemini, if both exist, use the gemtext | Dec 08 23:04 |
| leah | i want to rewrite untitled in something a bit more performant, though | Dec 08 23:04 |
| leah | some of the checks, especially string based checks, are a bit cursed in shell code | Dec 08 23:05 |
| schestowitz | gemini://gemini.techrights.org/irc-gmi/irc-log-techrights-071221.gmi | Dec 08 23:05 |
| leah | something like go perhaps. or even c | Dec 08 23:05 |
| leah | also i want to rewrite the markdown->html parser in C. with templates like in pandoc | Dec 08 23:05 |
| leah | to optimize speed | Dec 08 23:05 |
| leah | schestowitz: perhaps you can submit a patch? | Dec 08 23:06 |
| leah | to untitled, for gemtext stuff. i'd love to work with you on it | Dec 08 23:06 |
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| techrights-news | This Arduino device can detect which language is being spoken using tinyML | Arduino Blog ⚓ https://blog.arduino.cc/2021/12/08/this-arduino-device-can-detect-which-language-is-being-spoken/ ䷉ #Arduino #Hardware #OpenHardware #Hacking | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/12/08/#latest | Dec 08 23:06 |
| -altlink_4a9/#techrights-📣 Cloudflare: arduino.cc | 🙆 Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://blog.arduino.cc/2021/12/08/this-arduino-device-can-detect-which-language-is-being-spoken/ | Dec 08 23:06 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.arduino.cc | This Arduino device can detect which language is being spoken using tinyML | Arduino Blog | Dec 08 23:06 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com | Social Control Media Posts | Dec 08 23:06 | |
| leah | untitled is my way of making fun of all the other static generators out there | Dec 08 23:07 |
| schestowitz-TR | I'm only short on time | Dec 08 23:07 |
| schestowitz-TR | not short on projects | Dec 08 23:07 |
| leah | i do it all in bash, and i do it better than them | Dec 08 23:07 |
| leah | while they're using all kinds of rubbish | Dec 08 23:07 |
| leah | iank from fsf has a nice static site generator of his own, with comment functions | Dec 08 23:07 |
| leah | he uses it on his blog. i've been meaning to assimilate his logic, for comments sections on news pages | Dec 08 23:08 |
| techrights-news | #ProprietarySoftware " #CISA encourages users and administrators to review the SonicWall security advisory and apply the necessary firmware updates as soon as possible." https://us-cert.cisa.gov/ncas/current-activity/2021/12/08/sonicwall-releases-security-advisory-sma-100-series-appliances | Dec 08 23:08 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.cisa.gov | SonicWall Releases Security Advisory for SMA 100 Series Appliances | CISA | Dec 08 23:08 | |
| leah | his is in bash too | Dec 08 23:08 |
| schestowitz-TR | we use a lot of bash, perl | Dec 08 23:08 |
| schestowitz-TR | sometimes python | Dec 08 23:08 |
| leah | i think it's funny to do everything in bash | Dec 08 23:09 |
| leah | bash is a meme | Dec 08 23:09 |
| *DaemonFC (~daemonfc@fx43r9f9r7aj8.irc) has joined #techrights | Dec 08 23:09 | |
| techrights-news | "[kerchoo_22] is working on a hands-free video game controller as a final project for her engineering class and we think it’s worth sharing." https://hackaday.com/2021/12/07/assistive-tech-and-video-games/ | Dec 08 23:09 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Assistive Tech And Video Games | Hackaday | Dec 08 23:09 | |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, I had to drive across the county for a COVID test. | Dec 08 23:10 |
| schestowitz-TR | wow | Dec 08 23:10 |
| schestowitz-TR | risky | Dec 08 23:10 |
| DaemonFC | I went to one of those walk in places and their system required you to scan a QR code, go to a website, enter your insurance, and write down a confirmation number. | Dec 08 23:10 |
| DaemonFC | But my insurance cards don't fit the format on the page. | Dec 08 23:10 |
| DaemonFC | So the lady there told me to lie and say I was uninsured. | Dec 08 23:11 |
| leah | in the UK, they send a test kit to your home | Dec 08 23:11 |
| DaemonFC | I said, "I'm not doing that. This would be fraud.". | Dec 08 23:11 |
| leah | then you send it off in the mail and a week later, they tell you your result | Dec 08 23:11 |
| leah | though i think they try to be a bit faster | Dec 08 23:11 |
| DaemonFC | So she wouldn't help me, and then said loudly "I'm sorry everyone, we're waiting on ONE PERSON.". | Dec 08 23:11 |
| DaemonFC | So I chucked the pen across the room, put my insurance cards back in my wallet, left, and called their corporate office. | Dec 08 23:11 |
| DaemonFC | And then drove to a CVS 15 miles away. | Dec 08 23:12 |
| schestowitz-TR | joy | Dec 08 23:12 |
| schestowitz-TR | and you drive ill | Dec 08 23:12 |
| schestowitz-TR | not good | Dec 08 23:12 |
| DaemonFC | Yeah | Dec 08 23:12 |
| schestowitz-TR | you'll mget youself kiled | Dec 08 23:12 |
| schestowitz-TR | driving 16 hours across the state for jabs | Dec 08 23:12 |
| schestowitz-TR | for a virus that barely kills anyone in your age group | Dec 08 23:12 |
| schestowitz-TR | car accidents kill many of your age | Dec 08 23:13 |
| DaemonFC | Trying to figure out if it's COVID and if I need to go find a place to get the antibody treatment before it gets worse. | Dec 08 23:13 |
| schestowitz-TR | and it can be the fault of other drivers, reckless | Dec 08 23:13 |
| schestowitz-TR | DaemonFC: you take very long car journeys | Dec 08 23:13 |
| leah | there's a joke in there about driving the numbers down | Dec 08 23:13 |
| leah | but it would be quite morbid | Dec 08 23:13 |
| schestowitz-TR | those are of higher probablility of killing you than a covid infection | Dec 08 23:13 |
| schestowitz-TR | you are about 38 | Dec 08 23:13 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz-TR, Well, I have a futon in the livingroom, so I sleep out here tonight in one of those zip up sleeping bags. | Dec 08 23:14 |
| schestowitz-TR | and not obese, just fatty iirc | Dec 08 23:14 |
| DaemonFC | Not obese, no, but overweight. | Dec 08 23:14 |
| DaemonFC | Doctors ask if I care, I go not really. | Dec 08 23:14 |
| schestowitz-TR | common | Dec 08 23:14 |
| DaemonFC | My Uncle is in far worse shape. Cholesterol over 1,000 and has been for decades. | Dec 08 23:14 |
| schestowitz-TR | "hey, if there's a food shortage I'll survice. you won't" | Dec 08 23:14 |
| schestowitz-TR | *survive | Dec 08 23:14 |
| DaemonFC | He's turned 65 recently. | Dec 08 23:15 |
| schestowitz-TR | overweight can be fixed in weeks | Dec 08 23:15 |
| schestowitz-TR | obese is a problem | Dec 08 23:15 |
| DaemonFC | Yeah, basically the only reason to obsess over this is because you're trying to hook up with people in the restrooms at open sores conferences. | Dec 08 23:15 |
| schestowitz-TR | also skin elasticity | Dec 08 23:15 |
| DaemonFC | ;) | Dec 08 23:15 |
| leah | anyway, untitled would be a great fit for techrights i think | Dec 08 23:15 |
| leah | in the future | Dec 08 23:15 |
| schestowitz-TR | maybe yes | Dec 08 23:15 |
| leah | once it has gemtext support | Dec 08 23:15 |
| schestowitz-TR | we craft our own for the front page | Dec 08 23:16 |
| schestowitz-TR | and for some pages I use temp;late I made 20 years ago | Dec 08 23:16 |
| leah | there are some limitations in how it handles news sections | Dec 08 23:16 |
| schestowitz-TR | for netscape and such! | Dec 08 23:16 |
| leah | that ought to be addressed | Dec 08 23:16 |
| DaemonFC | For the married, non-perverts, who love each other and aren't going to go running down to the divorce court over an extra 20 pounds, who gives a shit? | Dec 08 23:16 |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/ipfs/bulletins.html | Dec 08 23:16 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Techrights Full IPFS Index | Dec 08 23:16 | |
| schestowitz | [23:16] <schestowitz> e.g. http://techrights.org/ipfs/bulletins.html | Dec 08 23:17 |
| schestowitz | [23:16] <schestowitz> oops | Dec 08 23:17 |
| schestowitz | [23:16] <schestowitz> wrong window | Dec 08 23:17 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, MARISOL was wondering why we didn't have a more expensive wedding. | Dec 08 23:17 |
| schestowitz-TR | DaemonFC: ask her why she doesn't have a bigger mortgage | Dec 08 23:18 |
| schestowitz-TR | or a bigger ego | Dec 08 23:18 |
| DaemonFC | I said, "Well, studies have statistically shown that the likelihood of the marriage failing is associated with how much debt you racked up on day 1 pretending you're in a royal wedding ceremony.". | Dec 08 23:18 |
| schestowitz-TR | or a bigger chance of being homeless | Dec 08 23:18 |
| schestowitz-TR | good replyt | Dec 08 23:18 |
| schestowitz-TR | very good replyt | Dec 08 23:18 |
| schestowitz-TR | debt causes stress | Dec 08 23:19 |
| schestowitz-TR | stress leads to arguing | Dec 08 23:19 |
| DaemonFC | It saps you of resources you need to deal with important things. | Dec 08 23:19 |
| schestowitz-TR | DaemonFC: "why did you not throw a bigger plate at Mark?" | Dec 08 23:19 |
| DaemonFC | Day 1 of our marriage. $15,000 wedding with interest. Game over man, game over!" | Dec 08 23:20 |
| immibis | MinceR: if you make everyone "a government" then google or facebook will be the super-government ruling over all the governments | Dec 08 23:20 |
| schestowitz-TR | they are gov contractors of sorts | Dec 08 23:20 |
| schestowitz-TR | check funding sources and political backing | Dec 08 23:20 |
| schestowitz-TR | they're adopted as political tools | Dec 08 23:20 |
| schestowitz-TR | not just by the US | Dec 08 23:20 |
| MinceR | part of their current power comes from the government | Dec 08 23:20 |
| schestowitz-TR | social control media and mind control | Dec 08 23:20 |
| schestowitz-TR | search histories etc. | Dec 08 23:20 |
| DaemonFC | In theory, the people are the source of legitimacy of the government. In fact, the politicians all think and admit in inner circles, "Let them despise us, as long as they fear and obey us!". | Dec 08 23:21 |
| schestowitz | https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2011/05/wikileaks-assange-facebook-is-appalling-spying-machine/238225/ | Dec 08 23:21 |
| -altlink_4a9/#techrights-📣 Cloudflare: theatlantic.com | 🙆 Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2011/05/wikileaks-assange-facebook-is-appalling-spying-machine/238225/ | Dec 08 23:21 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theatlantic.com | WikiLeaks' Assange: Facebook Is 'Appalling Spying Machine' - The Atlantic | Dec 08 23:21 | |
| DaemonFC | No politician in elected office today is worried that their actions will be seen as legitimate. | Dec 08 23:21 |
| schestowitz | https://www.zdnet.com/article/wikileaks-founder-facebook-is-most-appalling-spying-machine-ever-invented/ | Dec 08 23:21 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-WikiLeaks founder: Facebook is "most appalling spying machine ever invented" | ZDNet | Dec 08 23:21 | |
| schestowitz | "WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange has called Facebook "the most appalling ... US organizations have built-in interfaces for US intelligence." | Dec 08 23:21 |
| DaemonFC | Nobody has challenged Pritzker in a serious way, and the judges are all Democrats if they bothered. | Dec 08 23:21 |
| schestowitz | https://www.cnet.com/home/smart-home/assange-facebook-is-an-appalling-spy-machine/ | Dec 08 23:22 |
| -altlink_4a9/#techrights-📣 Cloudflare: cnet.com | 🙆 Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.cnet.com/home/smart-home/assange-facebook-is-an-appalling-spy-machine/ | Dec 08 23:22 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Assange: Facebook is an 'appalling spy machine' - CNET | Dec 08 23:22 | |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, That's why I'll probably vote for Adam Kinzinger for Governor. | Dec 08 23:22 |
| DaemonFC | I don't like him, I really don't agree with him. | Dec 08 23:22 |
| DaemonFC | But hopefully, it causes a food fight and they slow each other down. | Dec 08 23:23 |
| DaemonFC | It worked this year in the local election. | Dec 08 23:23 |
| DaemonFC | The Democrats now have a Republican mayor to deal with and it's derailed their tax hikes. | Dec 08 23:23 |
| schestowitz-TR | npowm back to tech | Dec 08 23:24 |
| DaemonFC | It was popular enough in the council to get a simple majority and go to Mayor Cunningham, but now it will face a veto. | Dec 08 23:24 |
| DaemonFC | I feel like there's a lot of wasted effort just trying to put up obstacles so the bad guys don't get away with MORE. | Dec 08 23:24 |
| DaemonFC | But it sounds like MinceR doesn't even have that possibility. | Dec 08 23:25 |
| techrights-news | "I first learned about #PicoVoice about a year ago when the offline voice AI engine was showcased on a Raspberry Pi fitted with ReSpeaker 4-mic array to showcase the company’s Porcupine custom wake word engine" https://www.cnx-software.com/2021/12/08/picovoice-offline-voice-ai-engine-gets-free-tier-for-up-to-3-users/ | Dec 08 23:26 |
| -altlink_4a9/#techrights-📣 Cloudflare: cnx-software.com | 🙆 Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.cnx-software.com/2021/12/08/picovoice-offline-voice-ai-engine-gets-free-tier-for-up-to-3-users/ | Dec 08 23:26 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.cnx-software.com | PicoVoice offline Voice AI engine gets free tier for up to 3 users - CNX Software | Dec 08 23:26 | |
| DaemonFC | Well, it's always a goddamned Christmas miracle when you sabotage their tax hike plan and all of a sudden there's cuts to a bunch of unimportant programs and you never notice even though the stinking bastard was trying to act like there'd be big problems. Threatening to punish you if you voted it down. | Dec 08 23:26 |
| DaemonFC | I'll fire teachers, firefighters, and cops first! | Dec 08 23:26 |
| techrights-news | Simple Design Elevates This Mechanical Dot Matrix Display | Hackaday ⚓ https://hackaday.com/2021/12/07/simple-design-elevates-this-mechanical-dot-matrix-display/ ䷉ #hackaday | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/12/08/#latest | Dec 08 23:26 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Simple Design Elevates This Mechanical Dot Matrix Display | Hackaday | Dec 08 23:26 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com | Social Control Media Posts | Dec 08 23:26 | |
| DaemonFC | "Is that a fuckin' threat!?" -Bad Santa ;) | Dec 08 23:27 |
| schestowitz-TR | DaemonFC: you would be an awful politician | Dec 08 23:27 |
| schestowitz-TR | aiwht people sleeping in sleeping bags in their homes | Dec 08 23:27 |
| schestowitz-TR | "go home and ZIP IT!!" | Dec 08 23:27 |
| DaemonFC | First of all it's not Pritzker who gets to decide what the budget cuts mean to local governments. | Dec 08 23:27 |
| DaemonFC | The cuts are to a revenue stream, not one that has to be spent or not spent on a certain item. | Dec 08 23:28 |
| DaemonFC | Secondly, after the taxes flopped, there's been road construction everywhere because I voted to cut them off from raiding the motor fuels tax for other things (like welfare programs). | Dec 08 23:29 |
| techrights-news | "Those two bullet points hide a lot of complexity, and it’s not surprising that I didn’t get particularly far in this project! It requires coordinated changes in a lot of components: GLib, GTK, gnome-session and applications themselves." https://tecnocode.co.uk/2021/12/08/state-persistence-for-apps-and-sessions-endless-orange-week/ | Dec 08 23:29 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-tecnocode.co.uk | State persistence for apps and sessions: Endless Orange Week | Philip Withnall | Dec 08 23:29 | |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: https://hackaday.com/2021/12/08/fail-of-the-week-hackaday-writer-attempts-xbox-repair/ | Dec 08 23:29 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Fail Of The Week: Hackaday Writer Attempts XBox Repair | Hackaday | Dec 08 23:29 | |
| DaemonFC | Thirdly, since nobody believes the Illinois government anymore, if they have to take it out on the state parks system, it's because nobody says "redirect my tax check as a gift to the state parks" because that's not what it gets spent on. | Dec 08 23:30 |
| techrights-ipfs-bot | ▕ IPFS downstream, 60 mins: ▁▁▁▂▂▂▂▃▂▆▂▃▁▃▂▂▁▂▂▁▂▂▁▂▃▄▅▃▂▂▁▂▂▃▁▂▁ avg(k/sec) 8.36 ▕ IPFS upstream: ███▁▁▂▁█▁▄▁▁▁█▁▁▁▁▁█▁█▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▂▁▁ avg(k/sec) 163.31▕ swarm size (avg): 254.13 ⟲ | Dec 08 23:30 |
| immibis | MinceR: google's power does not come from the government, nor does facebook's | Dec 08 23:30 |
| techrights-news | "Structure and minimalism, often based on the same core elements of black steel beams and glass, are a landmark of these buildings. One immediately senses that there is nothing left to take away." http://dirk.eddelbuettel.com/blog/2021/12/08#034_less_is_more | Dec 08 23:30 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-dirk.eddelbuettel.com | Thinking inside the box | Dec 08 23:30 | |
| schestowitz-TR | immibis: goes unchecked by them | Dec 08 23:31 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, I loaded a fork of an old copy of Debian in an XBOX emulator. | Dec 08 23:31 |
| schestowitz-TR | and they COLLABORATE a lot | Dec 08 23:31 |
| immibis | well if they checked it, that would be big government, which MinceR seems to hate, seeing as he wants the opposite, zero government | Dec 08 23:31 |
| DaemonFC | It's compatible enough to run that and about 80-ish percent of games with decent results. | Dec 08 23:31 |
| schestowitz | https://wikileaks.org/google-is-not-what-it-seems/ | Dec 08 23:31 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-wikileaks.org | Julian Assange - Google Is Not What It Seems | Dec 08 23:31 | |
| DaemonFC | Mr. Drone Strike said he was trying to create "reforms from within". | Dec 08 23:31 |
| schestowitz-TR | thunberg joined exxon | Dec 08 23:32 |
| schestowitz-TR | she will fix Exxon Mobil from within | Dec 08 23:32 |
| MinceR | immibis: google and facebook is given a lot of freedom from the government's oversight in exchange for spying on people -- that's why anticompetition laws aren't enforced against them. but if you were to start your own business that tried to compete with them and did not make a pact with a government, you would face the full force of those laws | Dec 08 23:32 |
| activelow | next one discussed is this: "central registration of vaccination status" together with "mandatory vaccination" | Dec 08 23:33 |
| immibis | MinceR: surely if you think there should be no government, then you think anticompetition laws are a bad thing and shouldn't be enforced ever? | Dec 08 23:33 |
| schestowitz-TR | MinceR: Microsoft also | Dec 08 23:33 |
| schestowitz-TR | added back doors | Dec 08 23:33 |
| schestowitz-TR | and spies shitless | Dec 08 23:33 |
| MinceR | immibis: facebook and cambridge analytica could have a significant effect on people's lives in the USA because there was a state that held elections which they could manipulate | Dec 08 23:33 |
| immibis | activelow: let's please do that. finally force the neo-fascists to give up and end the damn pandemic already | Dec 08 23:33 |
| schestowitz-TR | and so the case against Microsoft crimes got scuttled | Dec 08 23:33 |
| MinceR | immibis: i think there should be no government, no megacorporations and no churches, or anything else that would try to be a government in another guise | Dec 08 23:33 |
| immibis | we tried anarchy already. we know what happens. we know that a top-down power hierarchy forms and this one won't be democratic | Dec 08 23:34 |
| schestowitz-TR | so same as now? | Dec 08 23:34 |
| MinceR | who are "you" and where have you tried it? | Dec 08 23:34 |
| MinceR | also, where is that democratic arrangement that is your alternative to it? | Dec 08 23:34 |
| MinceR | where is a properly functioning democracy? | Dec 08 23:35 |
| schestowitz-TR | textbook | Dec 08 23:35 |
| schestowitz-TR | like capitalism | Dec 08 23:35 |
| schestowitz-TR | those are like religions | Dec 08 23:35 |
| schestowitz-TR | in practice, it's more like Taliban or ISIS | Dec 08 23:35 |
| psydroid2 | let's all become friends on Textbook | Dec 08 23:35 |
| MinceR | lol | Dec 08 23:35 |
| schestowitz-TR | psydroid2: we'll "like" each others' things | Dec 08 23:36 |
| schestowitz-TR | so we'll all loomkl popular | Dec 08 23:36 |
| schestowitz-TR | our classmates from when we were 7 will so so envious | Dec 08 23:36 |
| activelow | immibis: pardon? the overwhelming majority of protests is not fascist. it is government and their fake news apparatus who spread incitement to hatred 24/7 | Dec 08 23:37 |
| activelow | and this is where it should begin, live on TV: them receiving their jabs of the "recommended" "booster" "cross-vaccination" "insufficient data" was available for | Dec 08 23:38 |
| activelow | the new Chancellor, Olaf Scholz, will be first. I recommend RTL television prime time. | Dec 08 23:39 |
| schestowitz-TR | isn't that lux? | Dec 08 23:40 |
| MinceR | https://ircz.de/p/21120421 | Dec 08 23:41 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object (6056173) | Dec 08 23:41 | |
| techrights-news | #GNOME and GTK Development • Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/158896 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines | Dec 08 23:41 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | GNOME and GTK Development | Tux Machines | Dec 08 23:41 | |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Meanwhile in Ivanka's head: "water goes splash" | Dec 08 23:42 |
| activelow | schestowitz-TR: yes, RTL is headquartered in luxembourg, and broadcast in AT, CH, DE; so entire german-speaking people can enjoy this show. | Dec 08 23:43 |
| immibis | activelow: i see you are brainwashed by neo-fascists | Dec 08 23:43 |
| schestowitz | https://www.bustle.com/p/ivanka-trump-wins-the-internet-freedoma-award-a-year-after-net-neutrality-officially-ended-17919036 | Dec 08 23:43 |
| -altlink_4a9/#techrights-📣 Cloudflare: bustle.com | 🙆 Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.bustle.com/p/ivanka-trump-wins-the-internet-freedoma-award-a-year-after-net-neutrality-officially-ended-17919036 | Dec 08 23:43 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.bustle.com | Ivanka Trump Wins The Internet Freedom Award A Year After Net Neutrality Officially Ended | Dec 08 23:43 | |
| immibis | MinceR: many developed countries (the USA is not developed) | Dec 08 23:44 |
| schestowitz | https://mashable.com/article/ivanka-trump-internet-freedom-award | Dec 08 23:44 |
| -altlink_4a9/#techrights-📣 Cloudflare: mashable.com | 🙆 Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://mashable.com/article/ivanka-trump-internet-freedom-award | Dec 08 23:44 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-mashable.com | Tech lobbying group gives Ivanka Trump 'Internet Freedom Award' | Dec 08 23:44 | |
| schestowitz | immibis: you are conflating two separate things | Dec 08 23:45 |
| schestowitz | maybe the one misled is also you | Dec 08 23:45 |
| schestowitz | people who reject those shots are often well educated | Dec 08 23:45 |
| MinceR | immibis: for example? | Dec 08 23:45 |
| schestowitz | like half the population of switzerland | Dec 08 23:45 |
| schestowitz | not "neo-fascists" | Dec 08 23:45 |
| immibis | anybody who thinks that extending the pandemic for any longer than it already has been extended is a good idea is a moron | Dec 08 23:45 |
| schestowitz | you are again conflating two things | Dec 08 23:45 |
| schestowitz | jabs and ending the pandemic | Dec 08 23:45 |
| MinceR | who said the pandemic should be extended for longer? | Dec 08 23:45 |
| immibis | the antivax group | Dec 08 23:46 |
| schestowitz | the coronavirus was always with us | Dec 08 23:46 |
| schestowitz | new strains are worse | Dec 08 23:46 |
| schestowitz | and they are here to stay | Dec 08 23:46 |
| immibis | what do you mean "the" coronavirus? | Dec 08 23:46 |
| schestowitz | RMS thinks it can be eradicateed | Dec 08 23:46 |
| schestowitz | because he reads bill's gguardian | Dec 08 23:46 |
| schestowitz | the jabs help old people fight it off | Dec 08 23:46 |
| schestowitz | as dot he flu shots | Dec 08 23:46 |
| schestowitz | but giving it to kids is pointless | Dec 08 23:46 |
| schestowitz | it helps profits of the patent holders | Dec 08 23:46 |
| immibis | all vaccines reduce infection and transmission. no vaccines prevent infection and transmission | Dec 08 23:46 |
| schestowitz | and not much more | Dec 08 23:46 |
| immibis | we managed to beat polio using vaccines about as good as covid vaccines | Dec 08 23:47 |
| schestowitz | no, | Dec 08 23:47 |
| schestowitz | polio vaccine works better | Dec 08 23:47 |
| schestowitz | and we take it once | Dec 08 23:47 |
| schestowitz | while young | Dec 08 23:47 |
| immibis | polio vaccine is administered 4 times | Dec 08 23:47 |
| immibis | https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vpd/polio/public/index.html | Dec 08 23:47 |
| -altlink_4a9/#techrights-📣 Cloudflare: cdc.gov | 🙆 Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vpd/polio/public/index.html | Dec 08 23:47 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.cdc.gov | Polio Vaccination: What Everyone Should Know | CDC | Dec 08 23:47 | |
| schestowitz | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polio_vaccine | Dec 08 23:48 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Polio vaccine - Wikipedia | Dec 08 23:48 | |
| immibis | all virus vaccines in humans require approximately 4 doses to achieve proper immunity | Dec 08 23:48 |
| activelow | a moment ago they said a few dozen elderies died in geriatric care home, supposedly because they had not received their jabs | Dec 08 23:48 |
| schestowitz | " Another attenuated live oral polio vaccine was developed by Albert Sabin and came into commercial use in 1961" | Dec 08 23:48 |
| activelow | immibis: who is neo-fascist? government TV spreading this type of news? | Dec 08 23:48 |
| MinceR | neofascists governments do spread propaganda against measures against SARS-CoV-2 | Dec 08 23:49 |
| MinceR | hungarian government does it internally and externally | Dec 08 23:49 |
| immibis | activelow: those who attempt to prolong the pandemic because of dumb political ideology. Such as (it appears) yourself | Dec 08 23:49 |
| MinceR | russian government does it on the non-russian editions of RT | Dec 08 23:49 |
| MinceR | but not internally | Dec 08 23:49 |
| immibis | previous american government did it a lot and probably seeded the movement worldwide | Dec 08 23:49 |
| immibis | that leader didn't even do it on purpose. he didn't want to extend a pandemic, he just didn't want to look incompetent, which he would have if he'd tried to do something about it | Dec 08 23:51 |
| immibis | by pretending it's not a real threat, doing nothing is a not-incompetent solution | Dec 08 23:51 |
| activelow | a miracle tincture vaccine cannot prevent excess hospitalization, in particular "cross vaccination" "insufficient data" for verification was available for, according to "vaccination commission" | Dec 08 23:52 |
| schestowitz-TR | mass vaccination for polio was a decade after salk made it | Dec 08 23:52 |
| schestowitz-TR | it was not patented either | Dec 08 23:54 |
| schestowitz-TR | so it did not cost 50 times the production cost.. to enrich oligarchs | Dec 08 23:54 |
| schestowitz | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polio_vaccine#/media/File:Salk_headlines.jpg | Dec 08 23:54 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Polio vaccine - Wikipedia | Dec 08 23:54 | |
| MinceR | s/sts/st/ | Dec 08 23:54 |
| schestowitz | "he undertook a project to determine the number of different types of poliovirus, starting in 1948. [...] By 1959, the Salk vaccine had reached about 90 countries" | Dec 08 23:55 |
| schestowitz | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonas_Salk | Dec 08 23:55 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Jonas Salk - Wikipedia | Dec 08 23:55 | |
| immibis | activelow: you are right. We should never do anything if there are not 5 years of data on its efficacy. If you must forgive me I have to reinstall Windows on my computer because it has never been proven in a court of law that uninstalling Windows increases software freedom. | Dec 08 23:55 |
| schestowitz | there were trials and errors along the way | Dec 08 23:55 |
| schestowitz | not administring that to billions of people including those not at risk | Dec 08 23:56 |
| schestowitz | we have bigger issues than covid-19 | Dec 08 23:56 |
| activelow | do exactly what? the testing procedures here didn't at least include measurement of fever, which otherwise is common medical routine to check immune response to infections | Dec 08 23:56 |
| schestowitz | like overpopulation and overindustrialisation that strains the planet | Dec 08 23:56 |
| schestowitz | we can start to tackle both | Dec 08 23:56 |
| schestowitz | more lockdowns, more work from home | Dec 08 23:56 |
| schestowitz | it has proben more effective | Dec 08 23:57 |
| schestowitz | 2020 had a lot fewer covid-10 deaths here than this year | Dec 08 23:57 |
| schestowitz | *19 | Dec 08 23:57 |
| schestowitz | because of lockdowns partly | Dec 08 23:57 |
| schestowitz | http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/category/health/ | Dec 08 23:57 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com » Health | Dec 08 23:57 | |
| schestowitz | time to tackle the major issue | Dec 08 23:57 |
| schestowitz | not only what patent-connected media tells us | Dec 08 23:58 |
| immibis | schestowitz: I guess back in those days they were accustomed to people dying from preventable disease, and not so accustomed to vaccines. | Dec 08 23:58 |
| schestowitz | owned by the world's biggest polluters | Dec 08 23:58 |
| schestowitz | immibis: no | Dec 08 23:58 |
| schestowitz | vaccines still take a long time to develop | Dec 08 23:58 |
| schestowitz | they have 4 phases | Dec 08 23:58 |
| schestowitz | we jumped through 2 or 3 | Dec 08 23:58 |
| schestowitz | and we're not solving it | Dec 08 23:58 |
| activelow | the corona vaccination did NOT decrease excess hospitalzation, although 70% received their tincture as promised | Dec 08 23:58 |
| schestowitz | people move back to lockdowns | Dec 08 23:58 |
| schestowitz | even where vaccinatino rates for covid-* and derivatives are very high | Dec 08 23:59 |
| activelow | then it wasn't enough, and required boosters, excess hospitalization remains | Dec 08 23:59 |
| schestowitz | activelow: it did reduce it here | Dec 08 23:59 |
| schestowitz | but not by very much | Dec 08 23:59 |
| schestowitz | very disapopointing efficacy | Dec 08 23:59 |
| schestowitz | falsely advertised as 95% or thereabouts | Dec 08 23:59 |
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