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| Tom-_ | and there's this old animation about The Cave analogy which seems good to me https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d2afuTvUzBQ | Oct 09 00:17 |
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| hola | love you all | Oct 09 00:36 |
| XRevan86 | hola: /) | Oct 09 00:37 |
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| Polar_Bear | http://archive.is/FdwF9#c_ca7fjr heh | Oct 09 01:13 |
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| mandy | Hello :-) | Oct 09 02:22 |
| mandy | Just reading these comments: https://www.phoronix.com/forums/forum/phoronix/latest-phoronix-articles/1131274-the-fsf-is-re-evaluating-its-relationship-with-the-gnu | Oct 09 02:22 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-The FSF Is Re-Evaluating Its Relationship With The GNU - Phoronix Forums | Oct 09 02:22 | |
| mandy | And wondering if there are plans for a GNU Foundation, and also for critically bringing GNU copyrights back to RMS/a Gnu Foundation, rather than the FSF holding these copyrights, as I read in one of the comments. | Oct 09 02:22 |
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| r_schestowitz | hi mandy | Oct 09 02:29 |
| mandy | Hiya :-) | Oct 09 02:29 |
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| mandy | You having a good day? | Oct 09 02:29 |
| r_schestowitz | see federa wiki | Oct 09 02:30 |
| r_schestowitz | oops | Oct 09 02:30 |
| r_schestowitz | wrong paste | Oct 09 02:30 |
| mandy | lol | Oct 09 02:30 |
| r_schestowitz | see http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Free_Software_Federation | Oct 09 02:30 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Free Software Federation - Techrights | Oct 09 02:30 | |
| r_schestowitz | no idea where the "fedora wiki" copy came from | Oct 09 02:30 |
| mandy | will take a look | Oct 09 02:30 |
| r_schestowitz | there's another page in there | Oct 09 02:30 |
| r_schestowitz | it's one associate's idea | Oct 09 02:31 |
| r_schestowitz | there are two blog posts about this | Oct 09 02:31 |
| mandy | which in that list are fully pro-GNU? I can see the FSF and SFC in that list, which is concerning. | Oct 09 02:31 |
| mandy | Pro-GNU and RMS, with him involved? | Oct 09 02:32 |
| mandy | And able to act to get copyrights back from the FSF. | Oct 09 02:32 |
| r_schestowitz | it is not an endorsement | Oct 09 02:33 |
| mandy | Sorry if I've missed any blog posts. Just thinking that one new organisation, with RMS, everyone who has stood strong supporting him and the principles of Linux, could be a great place to centralise donations/copyright etc | Oct 09 02:33 |
| r_schestowitz | it's just a list of what exists | Oct 09 02:33 |
| r_schestowitz | FSFE was also 'anti-RMS' | Oct 09 02:33 |
| mandy | not good, yes | Oct 09 02:33 |
| mandy | Just thinking how we can all power on regardless (not bothering with those who've shown themselves to be negative/anti-RMS/anti-privacy and principles. | Oct 09 02:34 |
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| r_schestowitz | I don't think 'anti-RMS' even is the point | Oct 09 02:35 |
| r_schestowitz | but what you sometimes find is that those who endorsed the lynch mob don't value Software Freedom | Oct 09 02:35 |
| r_schestowitz | so we need to look at underlying attitudes, approach, means, goals | Oct 09 02:36 |
| mandy | Yes, I see what you are saying. I mean an new organisation of those who are not anti-RMS and who value real software freedom. And centralising of donations, critical copyrights I understand FSF hold at this point, also. | Oct 09 02:36 |
| r_schestowitz | rms repeatedly sent me emails concerning fsf | Oct 09 02:37 |
| r_schestowitz | they have the copyrights | Oct 09 02:38 |
| r_schestowitz | he wants to mend things with them | Oct 09 02:38 |
| mandy | that was the particular comment that set me thinking, regarding FSF holding many of the GNU copyrights ... then I got to thinking about eg a GNU Foundation, and, yes, thinking if maybe RMS is thinking of something like that. And could that be really good for everyone who's been upset by what's happening, and somewhere donations can really do some | Oct 09 02:38 |
| mandy | good. | Oct 09 02:38 |
| r_schestowitz | "As head of the GNU Project, I will be working with the FSF on how to structure the GNU Project's relationship with the FSF in the future." -Stallman CRITICAL message! https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/info-gnu/2019-10/msg00004.html | Oct 09 02:38 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lists.gnu.org | GNU-FSF relationship | Oct 09 02:38 | |
| r_schestowitz | so don't throw anyone under the bus just yet | Oct 09 02:38 |
| r_schestowitz | http://techrights.org/2019/10/01/what-stallman-wants/ | Oct 09 02:39 |
| mandy | I see. I worry though that the FSF may not be aiming to mend things, and that it may go bad regarding copyrights. Sometimes having faith in these places isn't a great thing to do, especially when they've acted as they have against him. | Oct 09 02:39 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Guest Post: What Stallman Wants | Techrights | Oct 09 02:39 | |
| r_schestowitz | covered here before the FSF and GNU statement from the FSF | Oct 09 02:39 |
| r_schestowitz | and that ridiculous open letter of a dozen gnu people | Oct 09 02:39 |
| r_schestowitz | http://techrights.org/2019/10/07/we-welcome-richard-stallman-again/ | Oct 09 02:39 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | We Welcome Richard Stallman, Again | Techrights | Oct 09 02:39 | |
| r_schestowitz | http://techrights.org/2019/10/06/free-software-federation/ | Oct 09 02:39 |
| mandy | It's just this separating about GNU, that FSF are talking about now ... concerning. | Oct 09 02:39 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The Free Software Foundation’s Mission Could Use Outside Help | Techrights | Oct 09 02:40 | |
| r_schestowitz | Those latter two are the posts I was referring to | Oct 09 02:40 |
| mandy | Yes, thanks for the links. I just think care should be taken about trusting an organisation that is more on the anti-RMS side than actual RMS's side/pro-Linux values. | Oct 09 02:41 |
| r_schestowitz | confusing times | Oct 09 02:41 |
| r_schestowitz | but... | Oct 09 02:41 |
| r_schestowitz | watch what goes on with Torvalds as well | Oct 09 02:42 |
| r_schestowitz | CBS entrapped him | Oct 09 02:42 |
| mandy | If a new GNU organisation, centralising copyrights/donations, could safeguard incase worse things are done, that could be something to think about maybe. | Oct 09 02:42 |
| r_schestowitz | and he looks in poor shape | Oct 09 02:42 |
| r_schestowitz | they tricked rms and torvalds into sound bites | Oct 09 02:42 |
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| r_schestowitz | we can't prove it, but there are more intense efforts lately to scuttle community control over code | Oct 09 02:43 |
| r_schestowitz | I increasingly think that's what kdbus/systemd is about as well | Oct 09 02:43 |
| r_schestowitz | one monolithic piece of software that is technically FOSS but few people outside "big tech" can and do participate in... and you cannot compartmentalise | Oct 09 02:44 |
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| mandy | got disconnected there | Oct 09 02:47 |
| r_schestowitz | [02:43] <r_schestowitz> I increasingly think that's what kdbus/systemd is about as well | Oct 09 02:48 |
| r_schestowitz | [02:44] <r_schestowitz> one monolithic piece of software that is technically FOSS but few people outside "big tech" can and do participate in... and you cannot compartmentalise | Oct 09 02:48 |
| mandy | You're talking about systemd now, yes? I'd answered you about Torvalds; will just paste that in. | Oct 09 02:48 |
| mandy | Yes, worried about Torvalds not speaking up as he did before last year. If GregKH, friend of MS, gets to leadership, that won't go well. Yes, it takes a toll, not being your real self, I think. He stood strong on principles, the kernel never breaking or being non-merit basedAnd I think we've all wished he kept to being himself. Bending to the will | Oct 09 02:49 |
| mandy | of the corporate-favouring types isn't what Linux is about. And trusting the FSF to mend things/look after copyrights might end up not being a good decision. | Oct 09 02:49 |
| eterr | r_schestowitz, Nice, i like this http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Free_Software_Federation | Oct 09 02:49 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Free Software Federation - Techrights | Oct 09 02:49 | |
| r_schestowitz | eterr: good :-) | Oct 09 02:49 |
| r_schestowitz | mandy: I don't want to hop on the "systemd sucks" train | Oct 09 02:50 |
| r_schestowitz | but I think it's a symptom of something | Oct 09 02:50 |
| mandy | Okay, thanks for the link. I do have concerns, seeing as some of these organisations have been involved in what happened recently. | Oct 09 02:50 |
| r_schestowitz | Linux is everywhere, with GNU in there, but never mentioned (they call GNU tools "Linux commands") | Oct 09 02:50 |
| eterr | r_schestowitz, just one recommendation: call it "Libre" instead of Free. that way it is not confused with "Gratis" or "FSF" | Oct 09 02:50 |
| r_schestowitz | but they want monopoly powers over these things | Oct 09 02:50 |
| mandy | lol, no real opinion on systemd, tbh. Just care about privacy/values, and hope there's nothing data-mining in systemd. | Oct 09 02:50 |
| r_schestowitz | Torvalds and RMS sort of stand in their way | Oct 09 02:50 |
| mandy | I just want RMS's work safeguarded and continuing ... got worried by that comment re FSF holding copyrights to a lot of GNU. | Oct 09 02:51 |
| mandy | Yes, that's my concern, so taking any attention/power away from those involved in ousting RMS could be something good. | Oct 09 02:52 |
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| eterr | r_schestowitz, or else your going to need to explain that "Free" actually means "Libre".... for the next 50 years ;) | Oct 09 02:53 |
| r_schestowitz | systemd doesn't worry me too much either | Oct 09 02:53 |
| mandy | Linux has always done it's own thing, so my idea was if a new GNU-based foundation, that also owns copyrights, and gives ppl somewhere to donate (I'm seeing ppl say they'd donate what they used to donate to FSF to a GNU-centred place). | Oct 09 02:53 |
| r_schestowitz | "There’s already at least a couple of people on the list that aren’t even developers." http://archive.is/FdwF9#selection-2277.0-2280.0 | Oct 09 02:54 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-archive.is | Joint statement on the GNU Project | Lobsters | Oct 09 02:54 | |
| mandy | Yes, I think systemd isn't top priority at this point, more the actual values/freedoms continuing and expanding. | Oct 09 02:54 |
| r_schestowitz | GNU is a lot bigger than Linux | Oct 09 02:54 |
| r_schestowitz | Doesn't matter how media frames it, the media does not manage to rewrite facts and reality | Oct 09 02:55 |
| srid | I confirmed in #octave that out of 4 GNU maintainers, 2 of them signed it (one of the signed is the project lead). | Oct 09 02:55 |
| r_schestowitz | you can run gnu with another kernel | Oct 09 02:55 |
| r_schestowitz | Linux without GNU. however, isn't too useful. It's stuff like Android... | Oct 09 02:55 |
| srid | r_schestowitz: It is worrying to see people from important tools like GCC in that list | Oct 09 02:55 |
| mandy | Yes, it's safeguarding the GNU, including copyrights, that concerns me. | Oct 09 02:55 |
| r_schestowitz | srid: GGC is very corporate-influenced now, e.g. SUSE | Oct 09 02:56 |
| r_schestowitz | So they mingle with people who get big salaries from companies which RMS condemns | Oct 09 02:56 |
| r_schestowitz | (it's inevitable) | Oct 09 02:57 |
| mandy | An independent GNU Foundation, centralising RMS's v important work, donations, copyrights, could just take any attention (and power) away from all these other organisations and agendas. | Oct 09 02:57 |
| r_schestowitz | http://wingolog.org/archives/2019/10/08/thoughts-on-rms-and-gnu | Oct 09 02:57 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-wingolog.org | thoughts on rms and gnu -- wingolog | Oct 09 02:57 | |
| srid | That's ... strange. If RMS has been the leader of GNU, shouldn't he have had ultimate say on these matters, thus preventing such corporate-influence on projects like GCC? | Oct 09 02:57 |
| r_schestowitz | no | Oct 09 02:57 |
| r_schestowitz | See Torvalds and LF | Oct 09 02:57 |
| r_schestowitz | similar problem | Oct 09 02:57 |
| srid | Could you link me to that story? (Torvalds and LF) | Oct 09 02:58 |
| r_schestowitz | over time they wrest of take over more control, in subtle legal ways, contracts etc. | Oct 09 02:58 |
| srid | All I know is that Torvalds took a break to reassess how he communicates on the list | Oct 09 02:58 |
| r_schestowitz | Torvalds can be fired like Steve Jobs, the docket founder etc. | Oct 09 02:58 |
| r_schestowitz | *Docker | Oct 09 02:58 |
| r_schestowitz | srid: lots of them in techrights, start in http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Linux_Foundation | Oct 09 02:59 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Linux Foundation - Techrights | Oct 09 02:59 | |
| mandy | So important to not let these people do these subtle steps, as it all builds to worse. | Oct 09 02:59 |
| r_schestowitz | those are 2019 coverage bits... but they omit the Torvalds only angle, focus on LF | Oct 09 02:59 |
| srid | Ah, there is a wiki. Thanks | Oct 09 02:59 |
| r_schestowitz | This one is out of date http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Linus_Torvalds | Oct 09 02:59 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Linus Torvalds - Techrights | Oct 09 02:59 | |
| r_schestowitz | RMS and LT created these things to decentralise | Oct 09 03:00 |
| r_schestowitz | to not seem like dictatorship | Oct 09 03:00 |
| r_schestowitz | but from shared trusted ownership come corporate influence, money, salaries people on board, people with contractual obligations to companies | Oct 09 03:01 |
| r_schestowitz | then the bylaws | Oct 09 03:01 |
| r_schestowitz | In this one days ago OSDL was mentioned http://techrights.org/2019/09/28/unhealthy-to-linux/ | Oct 09 03:02 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | LF Kool-Aid is Unhealthy to Linux | Techrights | Oct 09 03:02 | |
| srid | Reminds me of what this person says about RMS events: https://twitter.com/joenihl | Oct 09 03:02 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-mobile.twitter.com | j to the oe (@joenihl) on Twitter | Oct 09 03:02 | |
| r_schestowitz | we can fantacise about RMS and LT chatting offlist, then announcing the "GNU Linux Foundation" with corporate influence blocke | Oct 09 03:02 |
| mandy | I meant centralise in the sense that TechRights is where important articles are all kept ... and in the sense of those who want to donate to GNU/values/privacy, rather than any risky FSF/sjw/corporate-leaning etc | Oct 09 03:02 |
| r_schestowitz | those will take over things regardless | Oct 09 03:03 |
| mandy | only if we let it, though | Oct 09 03:03 |
| srid | One thing I wonder ... how come I have not heard any of these _outside_ techrights? Such as over at Hacker News? | Oct 09 03:03 |
| r_schestowitz | mandy: if you don't, they slander you | Oct 09 03:05 |
| mandy | But TechRights, for example, was an idea, and does a good job of keeping important things in one place, and has influence. Just an idea to try to safeguard things anyway, and where those who do support what's positive could get involved, donate, etc, plus I'd hate to see GNU copyrights harmed by FSF in any way. | Oct 09 03:05 |
| r_schestowitz | so you give them a cold shoulder and ignore all along | Oct 09 03:05 |
| r_schestowitz | srid: some people work hard to ostracise us | Oct 09 03:05 |
| mandy | while they keep making statements about separating GNU and FSF, and just after removing RMS | Oct 09 03:05 |
| r_schestowitz | e.g. trolls in Reddit, some Microsoft employees | Oct 09 03:05 |
| mandy | So ignoring them didn't help with that. | Oct 09 03:05 |
| r_schestowitz | bullying mods into burying links to us | Oct 09 03:05 |
| r_schestowitz | you can ignore them, it minimises the damage (does not prevent it overall) | Oct 09 03:06 |
| srid | FWIW, I am indeed aware that the mods at Hacker News are terrible. Most reddit subs too, as r/subredditcancer can attest to plentifully. | Oct 09 03:06 |
| r_schestowitz | They're SHIT | Oct 09 03:07 |
| r_schestowitz | They bury links to techrights | Oct 09 03:07 |
| r_schestowitz | For NO good reason | Oct 09 03:07 |
| mandy | Yes, I only read the core of what's going on, as I believe in taking positive action, regardless of any other negative agendas. | Oct 09 03:07 |
| r_schestowitz | I wrote some rants about it a month ago | Oct 09 03:07 |
| r_schestowitz | nobody complained, the story was correct, but it was taken off the front page (again) | Oct 09 03:07 |
| srid | Yea, they do a lot of shady stuff behind. No transparency whatsoever. | Oct 09 03:08 |
| *r_schestowitz assumed that when one rebels against Money 'Order' one should be prepared to accept suppression and not take it too hard | Oct 09 03:08 | |
| mandy | If they try to bury your stuff, building up that stuff far more elsewhere, is definitely better. It can be challenging of course, but not being controlled by the negatives is really important. | Oct 09 03:08 |
| srid | Dang's words have a civil veneer, but that's all it is ... a veneer. | Oct 09 03:08 |
| r_schestowitz | as long as they don't slander us, that's OK (it was attempted a lot a decade back) | Oct 09 03:09 |
| r_schestowitz | (they'd rather pretend we don't exist or that these views are outlandish, outside the realm of the reasonable) | Oct 09 03:09 |
| r_schestowitz | The European Patent Office blocked out site in 2014 | Oct 09 03:10 |
| r_schestowitz | for merely exposing its corruption | Oct 09 03:10 |
| r_schestowitz | they blocked 7000 staff from accessing the site | Oct 09 03:10 |
| r_schestowitz | http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/EPO | Oct 09 03:10 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | EPO - Techrights | Oct 09 03:10 | |
| r_schestowitz | EPO staff loves the site, the management is afraid of people reading it | Oct 09 03:10 |
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| r_schestowitz | http://techrights.org/2019/06/29/microsoft-actively-spies-on-critics/ | Oct 09 03:13 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Microsoft Making Critics Unemployed (or Trying to) | Techrights | Oct 09 03:13 | |
| srid | From the blog post, "The great tragedy of RMS's tenure in the supposedly universalist FSF and GNU projects is that he behaves in a way that is particularly alienating to women. " | Oct 09 03:14 |
| srid | Those links to tweets ... seems harmless. | Oct 09 03:15 |
| srid | Asking women out on a date is considered "alienating to women"? WTF | Oct 09 03:15 |
| r_schestowitz | RMS is supposed to be a hermit | Oct 09 03:15 |
| r_schestowitz | unreasonable demands | Oct 09 03:15 |
| srid | His pleasure card is amusing at best, weird at worst. Any woman that feels "alienated" I fear is only alienating herself. | Oct 09 03:15 |
| r_schestowitz | LT is supposed to only berate male Linux hackers | Oct 09 03:16 |
| r_schestowitz | and Sage Shape was female at the time, so... | Oct 09 03:16 |
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| cubexyz | the Lundgren case was a farce, the restore discs weren't worth $25 a piece | Oct 09 03:22 |
| cubexyz | the discs wouldn't work without a license key | Oct 09 03:23 |
| r_schestowitz | yes, i wait for him to send me court docs | Oct 09 03:23 |
| oiaohm | srid: It did not stop at just Pleasure card. The wording in the tender embraces on the pleasure card he use todo that as well when he handed over the card. | Oct 09 03:23 |
| r_schestowitz | we'll hopefully publish and rebut contents of them by year's end | Oct 09 03:24 |
| oiaohm | srid: those running events made it clear that he was not allowed todo that any more. | Oct 09 03:24 |
| r_schestowitz | he's on TV now, was busy preparing some more 'mainstream' shows | Oct 09 03:24 |
| r_schestowitz | oiaohm: only executives and CEOs can grope women | Oct 09 03:24 |
| r_schestowitz | all others cannot even ask a lady out for a cup of coffee | Oct 09 03:25 |
| srid | lol | Oct 09 03:25 |
| r_schestowitz | that would be 'sexist' | Oct 09 03:25 |
| srid | oiaohm: I have trouble understanding your comment regarding 'tender embraces'. Did you mean to say that while Stallman was handing over that card to a woman he was embracing her tenderly without her consent? | Oct 09 03:26 |
| oiaohm | srid: not just women "woman he was embracing her tenderly without her consent?" but yes without consent. | Oct 09 03:26 |
| r_schestowitz | find me a straight person who never in her/his entire life approached a person of the opposite gender with intention to befriend or more | Oct 09 03:26 |
| r_schestowitz | it's like the original sin | Oct 09 03:27 |
| r_schestowitz | they set up traps you cannot possibly overcome to not be "sinful" | Oct 09 03:27 |
| oiaohm | srid: RMS has been a problem to those running events for a while. | Oct 09 03:27 |
| srid | oiaohm: So give me an evidence of Stallman embracing a woman (tenderly, or in any other sexual manner) without her consent. | Oct 09 03:27 |
| r_schestowitz | like the whole "spilling seed" BS. It's just a tool of coercion, control. | Oct 09 03:27 |
| srid | oiaohm: even if it is a clear anecdote from a woman. | Oct 09 03:28 |
| r_schestowitz | I don't think RMS is accused of doing that | Oct 09 03:28 |
| r_schestowitz | he did apparently ask some women if they wished to date | Oct 09 03:28 |
| oiaohm | srid: I know it because RMS is what lead to the first code of behavour(what it was called before the code of conduct idea) for the Linux conference Australia. | Oct 09 03:28 |
| r_schestowitz | and knowing him personally, he'd do that politely | Oct 09 03:28 |
| r_schestowitz | maybe tactlessly, but gently | Oct 09 03:29 |
| oiaohm | srid: and that was because of multi complaints. | Oct 09 03:29 |
| srid | r_schestowitz: But oiaohm is accusing Stallman of doing exactly that (embracing tenderly/sexually other women without their consent), right now. | Oct 09 03:29 |
| *r_schestowitz thinks of the weak accusations against Jake Appelbaum as well | Oct 09 03:29 | |
| oiaohm | srid: that back in 2000. | Oct 09 03:29 |
| srid | Even though I've never heard of it in all the Twitter drama. | Oct 09 03:30 |
| oiaohm | This stuff was handled without drama just apply rules and correct behavour. | Oct 09 03:30 |
| r_schestowitz | joshua gay said he just asked women on dates | Oct 09 03:30 |
| r_schestowitz | very oversensitive people, they can politely decline, I never heard of RMS giving unwanted hugs | Oct 09 03:31 |
| r_schestowitz | apparently in BSD it's not VERBOTEN to even give VIRTUAL hugs | Oct 09 03:31 |
| *r_schestowitz *hugs* | Oct 09 03:31 | |
| *r_schestowitz banned! | Oct 09 03:31 | |
| r_schestowitz | people need to grow thicker skins | Oct 09 03:31 |
| r_schestowitz | listen to views they don't necessarily agree with | Oct 09 03:32 |
| r_schestowitz | and maybe, occasionally, get asked on a date by people they aren't attracted to | Oct 09 03:32 |
| cubexyz | over compensating for men's past misogynist behaviour | Oct 09 03:32 |
| r_schestowitz | this whole thing is insane and a societal rot | Oct 09 03:32 |
| cubexyz | now it's going too far the other way | Oct 09 03:32 |
| srid | About 3 years ago my team did an off-site meeting, and we all decided to stay a female coworkers house. When the event headed, one guy had to stay one extra night (due to flight departure schedule). He felt so uncomfortable staying at the woman's house. I never understand why back then, but I do now. | Oct 09 03:32 |
| r_schestowitz | cubexyz: men will never ask women on a date anymore | Oct 09 03:32 |
| r_schestowitz | and they'd end up single in their 50s | Oct 09 03:33 |
| cubexyz | well some will, yes :) | Oct 09 03:33 |
| r_schestowitz | unless the women make the advances | Oct 09 03:33 |
| r_schestowitz | then it's totally not sexist | Oct 09 03:33 |
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| srid | As individualism takes hold, hopefully we will all shed off the beliefs of needing-a-partner. | Oct 09 03:34 |
| r_schestowitz | hey, did any women get reprimanded and kicked out of conferences after a male attendant complained? | Oct 09 03:34 |
| r_schestowitz | (notice I'm taking about something benign like asking someone for coffee, nothing else) | Oct 09 03:34 |
| srid | Did one even complain? | Oct 09 03:34 |
| *r_schestowitz turned down quite a few women who made advances | Oct 09 03:35 | |
| oiaohm | Due to Linux Australia Conf being held in Universities with university students attending yes you do get complaints. | Oct 09 03:35 |
| oiaohm | Yes that history of that conference has both males and females kicked out for sexual advances at different events. | Oct 09 03:36 |
| oiaohm | Basically be on good behavour or not expect to stay. | Oct 09 03:36 |
| r_schestowitz | sexual is another matter | Oct 09 03:36 |
| r_schestowitz | now you shift the subject | Oct 09 03:36 |
| oiaohm | any women get reprimanded and kicked out of conferences after a male attendant complained << you asked that question. The answer is yes when it been sexual stuff. | Oct 09 03:37 |
| oiaohm | But the reverse is also true. | Oct 09 03:38 |
| cubexyz | roofies in drinks? some women have legitimate complaints | Oct 09 03:38 |
| cubexyz | look at Trump's behaviour | Oct 09 03:38 |
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| srid | That hypocrisy is so amusing. People to get RMS while letting go of the worser offenders: https://twitter.com/zedshaw/status/1178105258079391745 | Oct 09 03:39 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@zedshaw: For those of you super woke people just now finding out about the Epstein case, and who have never once commented o… https://t.co/X6gKO3iwEw | Oct 09 03:39 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@zedshaw: For those of you super woke people just now finding out about the Epstein case, and who have never once commented o… https://t.co/X6gKO3iwEw | Oct 09 03:39 | |
| cubexyz | anyways, yeah I'd rather talk about tech stuff | Oct 09 03:39 |
| oiaohm | srid: most of the worst offenders had to face court and got the protection of the court from badly behaved media. | Oct 09 03:41 |
| cubexyz | the truth is there were more woman into computers in the 1980s | Oct 09 03:41 |
| srid | And women did as good as, sometimes better than, men in colleges in India (where I come from). Somehow only in Americas - women have trouble getting into tech. | Oct 09 03:42 |
| r_schestowitz | [03:39] <cubexyz> anyways, yeah I'd rather talk about tech stuff | Oct 09 03:42 |
| r_schestowitz | I agree, but these things get to be derailed by more emotional topics that spur responses | Oct 09 03:43 |
| oiaohm | srid: So its not exactly hypocrisy but its really stupid that you do major offences you get protection from the media but when you do minor ones you are totally screwed if you are famous in anyway. | Oct 09 03:44 |
| oiaohm | RMS with the media problem is not a new one. | Oct 09 03:44 |
| oiaohm | But RMS has had a long history of different problems. | Oct 09 03:44 |
| oiaohm | He has caused that have mostly been handled in house and swept under the rug while leaving him in mangment positions. | Oct 09 03:45 |
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| oiaohm | Yes RMS is from the time frame when " only executives and CEOs can grope women" That need to be changed to anyone and get away with. | Oct 09 03:46 |
| cubexyz | the old comments were "Stallman is a communist" | Oct 09 03:49 |
| cubexyz | there's still some of that | Oct 09 03:49 |
| oiaohm | https://politics.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2600852&cid=38567070 << Different ones of old stallman comments where defended by people. | Oct 09 03:50 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-politics.slashdot.org | Why Richard Stallman Was Right All Along - Slashdot | Oct 09 03:50 | |
| r_schestowitz | they ran out of material | Oct 09 03:50 |
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| r_schestowitz | so now they fabricate some | Oct 09 03:50 |
| oiaohm | The reality is stallman said the same thing about under aged children over 3 different times. | Oct 09 03:50 |
| oiaohm | So its really 3 strikes and stallman is out. | Oct 09 03:50 |
| r_schestowitz | he commented on some articles, IIRC | Oct 09 03:51 |
| r_schestowitz | I don't agree with him, but those statements are not illegal | Oct 09 03:51 |
| r_schestowitz | controversial sure | Oct 09 03:51 |
| r_schestowitz | oiaohm: no | Oct 09 03:51 |
| r_schestowitz | the strikes are applied by going many years back | Oct 09 03:51 |
| r_schestowitz | with slander in the media as the trigger? | Oct 09 03:51 |
| oiaohm | They are illegal when you are in management and you have the workplace duty of care to up hold. | Oct 09 03:51 |
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| r_schestowitz | if those comments were problematic at the time and nothing was done regarding them, it means someone uses witch-hunting tactics | Oct 09 03:52 |
| r_schestowitz | it's not illegal, oiaohm | Oct 09 03:52 |
| r_schestowitz | similar amos yee controversy | Oct 09 03:52 |
| r_schestowitz | it's tasteless | Oct 09 03:52 |
| r_schestowitz | but not illegal | Oct 09 03:52 |
| oiaohm | Comments like that have historic precedent for different people in management positions being done for aiding and beting crimes. | Oct 09 03:53 |
| oiaohm | In the USA. | Oct 09 03:53 |
| oiaohm | So like it or not management positions in the USA you are meant to keep out of those topics. | Oct 09 03:53 |
| oiaohm | r_schestowitz: Like it or not RMS has been pushing the legal limtis no one really has pushed back like they should have. If they had maybe RMS would have changed he ways like he did hugs at conferences. | Oct 09 03:55 |
| cubexyz | look at 1989... release of GPL, it was mostly closed source from 1978 to 1989 | Oct 09 03:56 |
| cubexyz | so Stallman did change things | Oct 09 03:57 |
| r_schestowitz | there was a push to close things down | Oct 09 03:57 |
| r_schestowitz | but gnu seems to have kept a parallel world of sharing | Oct 09 03:57 |
| cubexyz | Minix was another exception | Oct 09 03:57 |
| r_schestowitz | and at the end it knocks out all that spaghetti proprietary code | Oct 09 03:57 |
| cubexyz | 1987, just a bit before GPL | Oct 09 03:58 |
| r_schestowitz | to the point where some secret code gets liberates for help from the outside | Oct 09 03:58 |
| cubexyz | I didn't see a massive problem until the late 1990's | Oct 09 03:59 |
| cubexyz | but, it was still bad before that | Oct 09 03:59 |
| cubexyz | late 1980's was Xenix, Venix, Dell Unix, SunOS... but there were some exceptions | Oct 09 04:00 |
| cubexyz | and Minix wasn't relicensed until april 2000, so I'm not sure how open it was in 1987 | Oct 09 04:02 |
| cubexyz | I think you had to pay $69 for it | Oct 09 04:03 |
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| r_schestowitz | https://medium.com/@wtfmitchel/65a6fe67e31b | Oct 09 04:51 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Azure vs. Moore’s Law 2020 - Mitchel Lewis - Medium | Oct 09 04:51 | |
| r_schestowitz | "While Microsoft masquerades as if Azure is maintaining a position of strength by supplying ambiguous revenue metrics in their quarterly 10K filings, they appear to be weary about reporting on Azure’s individual performance that would allow would-be investors to conclude this for themselves. Instead, Microsoft opts to average out Azure’s losses with their profitable legacy mainstays within their Intelligent Cloud container." | Oct 09 04:51 |
| r_schestowitz | Are these source documents for this? Like Wikileaks' last (ever) leak about AWS? | Oct 09 04:53 |
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| oiaohm | r_schestowitz: if Microsoft started doing Azure individual performance would not be long before they would be asked how much of Azure is Linux and how much is Windows. | Oct 09 06:11 |
| oiaohm | r_schestowitz: https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/Investor/earnings/FY-2019-Q4/press-release-webcast they do have the rough numbers on Azure hidden behind some complex maths to percentage conversion. | Oct 09 06:17 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-FY19 Q4 - Press Releases - Investor Relations - Microsoft | Oct 09 06:17 | |
| r_schestowitz | > I wish but I think I should keep it to myself right now. I provided these text messages to the SEC, but I prefer to protect my sources right now and the content of these text messages jeopardizes the confidentiality of my sources even without supplying their names. Advice welcome though. | Oct 09 06:30 |
| r_schestowitz | What are the allegations? | Oct 09 06:30 |
| r_schestowitz | The SEC previously settled with them after financial misconduct was reported. | Oct 09 06:30 |
| r_schestowitz | Microsoft also paid the whistleblower 4 million to shut him up. | Oct 09 06:30 |
| r_schestowitz | > One problem with omissions is that they’re omitted in an effort to avoid | Oct 09 06:31 |
| r_schestowitz | > scrutiny and citation. However, what I’m seeking to prove is that | Oct 09 06:31 |
| r_schestowitz | > Microsoft knew otherwise while reporting on none of it. My evidence is | Oct 09 06:31 |
| r_schestowitz | > based on text messages from friends at Microsoft (submitted to SEC) and | Oct 09 06:31 |
| r_schestowitz | > their 2018 10k filing. | Oct 09 06:31 |
| r_schestowitz | > | Oct 09 06:31 |
| r_schestowitz | > https://view.officeapps.live.com/op/view.aspx?src=https://c.s-microsoft.com/en-us/CMSFiles/MSFT_FY18Q4_10K.docx?version=b04fa6cd-ed0e-a4ea-6f4f-05c9f644b8a2 | Oct 09 06:31 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-view.officeapps.live.com | NO TITLE | Oct 09 06:31 | |
| r_schestowitz | > | Oct 09 06:31 |
| r_schestowitz | > "As one of the two largest providers of cloud computing at scale, we | Oct 09 06:31 |
| r_schestowitz | > believe we work from a position of strength” = Lies | Oct 09 06:31 |
| r_schestowitz | > | Oct 09 06:31 |
| r_schestowitz | > "Besides software development costs, we are incurring costs to build and | Oct 09 06:31 |
| r_schestowitz | > maintain infrastructure to support cloud computing services. These costs | Oct 09 06:31 |
| r_schestowitz | > will reduce the operating margins we have previously achieved.” | Oct 09 06:31 |
| r_schestowitz | > = Lies, Azure is still operating at a loss. The only LOB to see a profit | Oct 09 06:31 |
| r_schestowitz | > is storage. | Oct 09 06:31 |
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| r_schestowitz | hinteresting | Oct 09 06:56 |
| r_schestowitz | I tried to get him to send us some leaks | Oct 09 06:56 |
| r_schestowitz | his identity is not a secret | Oct 09 06:56 |
| r_schestowitz | Microsoft knows him | Oct 09 06:56 |
| r_schestowitz | But it would be nice if we could show Microsoft fakes financial reports | Oct 09 06:56 |
| r_schestowitz | i.e. it commits a serious crime | Oct 09 06:56 |
| r_schestowitz | MrGreenFriend: I saw the new report from VICE | Oct 09 06:57 |
| r_schestowitz | about Eric | Oct 09 06:57 |
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| MrGreenFriend | r_schestowitz, cool, i didnt see it yet | Oct 09 07:15 |
| r_schestowitz | [07:22] <r_schestowitz> MrGreenFriend: I wrote about it | Oct 09 07:23 |
| r_schestowitz | [07:22] <r_schestowitz> http://techrights.org/2019/10/08/eric-lundgren-in-the-media/ | Oct 09 07:23 |
| r_schestowitz | [07:22] [Notice] -TechBytesBot to #techbytes- techrights.org | Eric Lundgren in the Media Again | Techrights | Oct 09 07:23 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Eric Lundgren in the Media Again | Techrights | Oct 09 07:23 | |
| r_schestowitz | [07:22] <r_schestowitz> don't mind my rants about Vice | Oct 09 07:23 |
| r_schestowitz | [07:22] <r_schestowitz> also: I am really really eager to help him confront Microsoft/Shaw with court docs | Oct 09 07:23 |
| r_schestowitz | [07:23] <r_schestowitz> someone should have done it before the arrest (turned himself in, I know) | Oct 09 07:23 |
| MrGreenFriend | my internet connection is bad, i missed the chat after: <r_schestowitz> maybe tactlessly, but gently" is there a link to the IRC, or PM me? | Oct 09 07:26 |
| r_schestowitz | irc logs up soon | Oct 09 07:26 |
| MrGreenFriend | cool | Oct 09 07:26 |
| r_schestowitz | http://techrights.org/2019/10/09/irc-logs-081019/ | Oct 09 07:26 |
| r_schestowitz | oh | Oct 09 07:26 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IRC Proceedings: Tuesday, October 08, 2019 | Techrights | Oct 09 07:26 | |
| r_schestowitz | up already | Oct 09 07:27 |
| r_schestowitz | http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-techrights-081019.html | Oct 09 07:27 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IRC: #techrights @ FreeNode: Tuesday, October 08, 2019 | Oct 09 07:27 | |
| MrGreenFriend | reading ur Vice wrietup now-- i like how u linked all the previous articles :) | Oct 09 07:28 |
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| MrGreenFriend | watching the Vice documentary now... | Oct 09 07:56 |
| MrGreenFriend | https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/gyz8y9/meet-the-e-waste-recycler-jailed-for-a-year-for-infringing-microsofts-copyright | Oct 09 07:56 |
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| MrGreenFriend | Wow. He really is an amazing guy. U have to meet MrGreen, r_schestowitz :) | Oct 09 08:10 |
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| r_schestowitz | he cannot leave the country | Oct 09 08:15 |
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| jagadees | does the SJW (aka SJD) become upset about this? | Oct 09 08:26 |
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| r_schestowitz | who and what about? | Oct 09 08:37 |
| jagadees | about Eric Lundgren case | Oct 09 08:38 |
| r_schestowitz | they have no presence or position on it | Oct 09 08:41 |
| r_schestowitz | (seemingly) | Oct 09 08:41 |
| *r_schestowitz won't go along with theories like, surely they don't care about social justice if they're passive because silence is complicity | Oct 09 08:42 | |
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| zoobab | was drinking with GregKH, as he created Udev, and we had udev.org | Oct 09 09:31 |
| schestowitz | when was that? | Oct 09 09:40 |
| schestowitz | Some FOSDEM? | Oct 09 09:40 |
| zoobab | yes | Oct 09 09:41 |
| zoobab | in front of the Delirium, we went drinking some Absinth | Oct 09 09:42 |
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| Roy-gym | Wow, freenode really has a better irc applet now | Oct 09 12:11 |
| jagadees | is there any Stallman supporting Gnu distribution available? | Oct 09 12:12 |
| Roy-gym | I suppose it is asking itnin reverse | Oct 09 12:16 |
| Roy-gym | RMS supports what fsf endorses | Oct 09 12:17 |
| Roy-gym | Org -∆ person | Oct 09 12:17 |
| Roy-gym | Now see choose distrod based on their position on one single individual? | Oct 09 12:18 |
| jagadees | i still dont know what stallman did wrong. | Oct 09 12:19 |
| Roy-gym | \me cycling so typos expected (not a phone) | Oct 09 12:19 |
| Roy-gym | RMS made himself an easier target | Oct 09 12:20 |
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| Roy-gym | Esp. His old views on pedophile parties in the politiozl spheres | Oct 09 12:20 |
| Roy-gym | *political | Oct 09 12:20 |
| jagadees | it has nothing to do with software freedom. | Oct 09 12:21 |
| Roy-gym | Right | Oct 09 12:21 |
| jagadees | so why they now making it as an issue | Oct 09 12:21 |
| Roy-gym | His domain is personal | Oct 09 12:21 |
| Roy-gym | Because now they have a chance. Media helps the foes. | Oct 09 12:21 |
| jagadees | i may support them if they were honest. | Oct 09 12:22 |
| Roy-gym | RMS has tact issues | Oct 09 12:22 |
| Roy-gym | But AFAIK none of this is an offence. Ever. | Oct 09 12:22 |
| Roy-gym | So mannerism wesponised. | Oct 09 12:22 |
| Roy-gym | Maybebthry want zemlin to run gnu lol | Oct 09 12:23 |
| Roy-gym | *they want | Oct 09 12:23 |
| Roy-gym | He can give keynote talk about his daughter again | Oct 09 12:23 |
| jagadees | haha who is that person? | Oct 09 12:24 |
| Roy-gym | Jim zemlin | Oct 09 12:25 |
| Roy-gym | http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Jim_Zemlin | Oct 09 12:25 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Jim Zemlin - Techrights | Oct 09 12:25 | |
| Roy-gym | https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=7XTHdcmjenI | Oct 09 12:26 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-What the Tech Industry Has Learned from Linus Torvalds: Jim Zemlin at TEDxConcordiaUPortland - YouTube | Oct 09 12:26 | |
| *Roy-gym cringes | Oct 09 12:26 | |
| jagadees | haha | Oct 09 12:26 |
| Roy-gym | Seek at 2mind 20secs | Oct 09 12:26 |
| Roy-gym | Like adult kids | Oct 09 12:27 |
| Roy-gym | Bossing linus | Oct 09 12:27 |
| Roy-gym | RMS is okmfor gnu | Oct 09 12:27 |
| Roy-gym | Gnu is non conformist anyway | Oct 09 12:27 |
| Roy-gym | NAD challenges establishment conformistorms | Oct 09 12:28 |
| Roy-gym | And | Oct 09 12:28 |
| Roy-gym | Norms | Oct 09 12:28 |
| Roy-gym | Stupdi autocorrect is terrible | Oct 09 12:28 |
| jagadees | what about this | Oct 09 12:28 |
| jagadees | https://guix.gnu.org/blog/2019/joint-statement-on-the-gnu-project/ | Oct 09 12:28 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-guix.gnu.org | Joint statement on the GNU Project — 2019 — Blog — GNU Guix | Oct 09 12:28 | |
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| jagadees | We believe that Richard Stallman cannot represent all of GNU. We think it is now time for GNU maintainers to collectively decide about the organization of the project. The GNU Project we want to build is one that everyone can trust to defend their freedom. | Oct 09 12:30 |
| jagadees | is this a joke? | Oct 09 12:30 |
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| jagadees | i never seen them defending anybody's freedom. | Oct 09 12:33 |
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| jagadees | thats why asked is there any distribution that support stallman | Oct 09 12:46 |
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| oiaohm | jagadees: its more a question of picking your battles. Defending Stallman screwed up statement means being on the wrong side of different USA labour laws and equal laws in other countries. Distribution attempting to defend the recent RMS mistake would be taking a hell of a risk. | Oct 09 12:55 |
| oiaohm | jagadees: remember labour laws can issue workplace suspend of operations. | Oct 09 12:56 |
| jagadees | which law he broke? | Oct 09 12:57 |
| jagadees | its not about defending. | Oct 09 12:57 |
| jagadees | just want reasonable answers | Oct 09 12:58 |
| oiaohm | Its laws that effect business management. "The Occupational Safety and Health Act of 1970" you are required to provided a safe workplace. As part of providing a safe workplace you must understand what is a felony offense as you are required to report those to police. | Oct 09 12:59 |
| jagadees | who ever accusing stallman doing bad things should openly discus about that in the fitst place | Oct 09 12:59 |
| jagadees | does he on any work place? | Oct 09 13:00 |
| oiaohm | You cannot keep anyone in management positions who does not understand that and be conforming to that law. | Oct 09 13:00 |
| oiaohm | The define of workplace under law includes FSF and GNU operations. | Oct 09 13:01 |
| oiaohm | Being president of the FSF that was also basically the CEO of the GNU foundation really put him in charge of multi workplaces. | Oct 09 13:02 |
| jagadees | so what he did. does he insisted some practices in the office that broke "The Occupational Safety and Health Act of 1970"? | Oct 09 13:03 |
| oiaohm | It a form of indirect breach. RMS made a excuse for underage sex that was legally invalid and proved he did not know what was felony in that field. That comes a breach of the 1970 act for someone in a management position.. | Oct 09 13:04 |
| oiaohm | You are in a management position and wish to stay there are are particular topics you should either not comment on or have legal advice before commenting on if you expect to keep your job. | Oct 09 13:05 |
| jagadees | is that decision he took for FSF and GNU and whether its documented? who are participated that meeting? whether any voting took place? so all board accepted it? if so why only stallman in responsible? | Oct 09 13:06 |
| oiaohm | Stuff like this is normally not openly documented. https://www.theverge.com/2019/9/17/20870050/richard-stallman-resigns-mit-free-software-foundation-epstein we have been openly told he resigned over those comments. | Oct 09 13:08 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theverge.com | Richard Stallman resigns from MIT over Epstein comments - The Verge | Oct 09 13:08 | |
| jagadees | see american president candidate said publically that if he go to street and kill a person he will not loose a single vote. | Oct 09 13:08 |
| oiaohm | It does not take very much when you know the laws at play to see how FSF and GNU hand would forced. | Oct 09 13:08 |
| jagadees | for whom FSF and Gnu work? | Oct 09 13:09 |
| jagadees | its strange. | Oct 09 13:09 |
| oiaohm | workplace under "The Occupational Safety and Health Act of 1970" applies to volunteer or paid work. Has super grey define. If work is performed that produces product/service its a workplace. | Oct 09 13:10 |
| jagadees | in "The Occupational Safety and Health Act of 1970" law whether it states that telling some opinion against it also break that law? | Oct 09 13:10 |
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| jagadees | bec i never heard such a case in this world till now | Oct 09 13:11 |
| jagadees | if so how all people had to go to jail. because all some times said "i will kill you" | Oct 09 13:12 |
| ---subprime is now known as P_B | Oct 09 13:12 | |
| oiaohm | Except stallman did not say opinion counter to law. As management you are required to know the laws of what should be reported to police that is fairly much anything that is a felony. | Oct 09 13:12 |
| oiaohm | There are reasons why management positions in businesses normally pay more one of the reasons is to cover you loss of means to just express your opinions however you like. | Oct 09 13:14 |
| oiaohm | Its the funny thing management is not forbiden to say they disagree with X law. But they must know what they are saying disagrees with X law. | Oct 09 13:15 |
| oiaohm | and state it. | Oct 09 13:15 |
| P_B | All this talk about workplace laws is utter nonsense. He said that the word assault conveys a different connotation to what we are told is the most likely scenario of what went down. He didn't tell a female coworker to harden up when she was almost raped in the break room. | Oct 09 13:17 |
| jagadees | its too crazy | Oct 09 13:17 |
| jagadees | all the idiots of FSF and Gnu have to be fired. | Oct 09 13:17 |
| oiaohm | P_B: number one RMS typed it in a email message so we have the exact words. | Oct 09 13:17 |
| jagadees | so what | Oct 09 13:18 |
| jagadees | its not a decision | Oct 09 13:18 |
| oiaohm | P_B: law has a define of what Assaults means and you are meant to know that when in management as well. | Oct 09 13:18 |
| oiaohm | so its not a debateable item. | Oct 09 13:19 |
| P_B | FSF will just committee itself into utter irrelevance while pissing their shrinking budget away on diversity lunches and the occasional activist lawsuit against someone of the right demographics until the woke donors get bored of them. | Oct 09 13:19 |
| jagadees | as per does assault does not need to be physical. right? | Oct 09 13:19 |
| P_B | He wasn't managing Epstein's rape dungeon, he was talking about it from the sidelines like everyone else. It's utterly irrelevant. | Oct 09 13:19 |
| jagadees | he said "presumably" | Oct 09 13:20 |
| oiaohm | jagadees: exactly law define of assault covers physical and mental. | Oct 09 13:20 |
| jagadees | ok | Oct 09 13:20 |
| oiaohm | So sexual assault on a child particularly under law does not require any physical assault. You need to know this in a management position. | Oct 09 13:21 |
| jagadees | means he should have to know the meaning of assault. right/ | Oct 09 13:21 |
| jagadees | since he does not know that he was fired?' | Oct 09 13:22 |
| oiaohm | Also classes the age of the victim of sexual assault as not exactly important either that is not law. Also he tried to say a underage person could consent as well. | Oct 09 13:23 |
| oiaohm | So one email 3 major mistakes. | Oct 09 13:23 |
| oiaohm | At least | Oct 09 13:23 |
| jagadees | ok | Oct 09 13:24 |
| oiaohm | This is like climbing up on chair putting noose around neck and jumping off.and expecting to walk away unharmed. | Oct 09 13:24 |
| jagadees | now he knows the meaning and apologized. | Oct 09 13:25 |
| jagadees | what should be next step | Oct 09 13:25 |
| P_B | The road to hell is paved with simile | Oct 09 13:25 |
| jagadees | american way of justice? | Oct 09 13:26 |
| insmodppa | Friendly reminder not to feed the trolls. | Oct 09 13:26 |
| jagadees | lets FSF file a case against stallman and let him serve 1 year jail. and after that take him back as president of FSF. | Oct 09 13:27 |
| oiaohm | P_B: https://examples.yourdictionary.com/examples-of-similes.html I am guessing you were aiming for smile the extra i gives a very interesting meaning. | Oct 09 13:27 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-examples.yourdictionary.com | Examples of Similes | Oct 09 13:27 | |
| jagadees | it completely wrong. and injustice. | Oct 09 13:28 |
| oiaohm | jagadees: not jail a 1 year proper business legal education course. | Oct 09 13:28 |
| jagadees | haha yes | Oct 09 13:28 |
| oiaohm | To get him up to speed on what he should know. | Oct 09 13:28 |
| oiaohm | Of course he would have still been required to step down for that time. | Oct 09 13:29 |
| jagadees | its time to boycott FSF and GNU | Oct 09 13:30 |
| oiaohm | The level of mistake he really could not have stayed in that position without at least stepping down. Like linus with his bad language stepped down for 3 months took a corrective course and could then legally come back. | Oct 09 13:31 |
| jagadees | have you seen what OEM Software (Open source) doing these time? | Oct 09 13:31 |
| P_B | I said exactly what I meant. | Oct 09 13:31 |
| P_B | Ya clown. | Oct 09 13:31 |
| oiaohm | jagadees: depends on the OEM. | Oct 09 13:32 |
| oiaohm | jagadees: IBM as OEM with power stuff open source stuff is quite interesting. | Oct 09 13:32 |
| jagadees | no they are aggressively taking over all free software and branding as theirs | Oct 09 13:33 |
| oiaohm | Same with a lot of risc-v stuff. | Oct 09 13:33 |
| oiaohm | Really the aggressiveness you are talking about is how its been for 30+ years. | Oct 09 13:34 |
| oiaohm | You don't really get more aggressive than what sony with playstation and apple with OS X did to freebsd. | Oct 09 13:34 |
| jagadees | i think we have to build a new organization which defends user's right based on GPL. not the software developer's right. | Oct 09 13:34 |
| oiaohm | The bad news is that GPL is based on copyright law and that is designed to protect the author not the end users. | Oct 09 13:35 |
| psydroid | I wasn't around when mandy was here, but I agree with him and also with jadagees in that a new organisation could be founded with all new code licensed under GPLv3 or another suitable license, while GNU/Linux (and systemd and other such things) can be considered lost causes | Oct 09 13:35 |
| oiaohm | to protect users rights you would be talking consumer laws. | Oct 09 13:35 |
| XRevan86 | oiaohm: Yet GPL is about protecting the user at its core. | Oct 09 13:36 |
| oiaohm | Yes consumer laws in most countries are absolutely crap why we are seeing a lot of fight for the right to repair. | Oct 09 13:36 |
| jagadees | not as consumer. user should get all freedom's of GPL | Oct 09 13:36 |
| jagadees | till these time it was working. what change happened? | Oct 09 13:37 |
| oiaohm | XRevan86: the legal enforcement of the user right by GPL is by being an author. | Oct 09 13:37 |
| jagadees | so the author is letting it as copyleft? | Oct 09 13:38 |
| oiaohm | XRevan86: we don't have the precedence that say a end user who is not a author can fight for the GPL rights in fact we have precedence the other way. | Oct 09 13:38 |
| XRevan86 | oiaohm: Would it make me an author if I want to freely exercise my freedom to redistribute? | Oct 09 13:38 |
| jagadees | so user cannot go to court for GPL? | Oct 09 13:39 |
| oiaohm | XRevan86: no that makes you a distributor. And you are only a author after you modified it. | Oct 09 13:39 |
| oiaohm | jagadees: exactly no case where a user has attempt to go court to get GPL rights or any other license has ever got anywhere in fact has been thrown out of court. | Oct 09 13:40 |
| oiaohm | This is something that is kind like the fight for right to repair we need todo. | Oct 09 13:40 |
| oiaohm | Sometimes the law just suxs. | Oct 09 13:41 |
| jagadees | ok | Oct 09 13:44 |
| oiaohm | Basically to let users protect their rights with GPL without author we would need some changes to the law. | Oct 09 13:44 |
| oiaohm | Like possible the means to demard those rights though consumer protection laws instead of copyright. | Oct 09 13:45 |
| jagadees | ok | Oct 09 13:45 |
| oiaohm | It is really ripping off the consumer not providing the product you should ahve. | Oct 09 13:45 |
| oiaohm | ahve/have | Oct 09 13:46 |
| jagadees | i have some ideas about it. will write later. | Oct 09 13:46 |
| jagadees | anyway thank | Oct 09 13:46 |
| jagadees | talk you later | Oct 09 13:46 |
| oiaohm | XRevan86: if you look at the vmware case you can see vmware argue that the author who was wanting the source released was not author who they had used the code of either. | Oct 09 13:47 |
| oiaohm | XRevan86: so even as a Author enforcing GPL rights can be a uphill battle let alone be a user. | Oct 09 13:48 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@palewire: Alright, nerds I filed a FOIA appeal and won the infamous NROL-39 surveillance satellite logo as a PDF.… https://t.co/Li8JvBUisg | Oct 09 14:51 | |
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| srid | https://gnu.support/richard-stallman/Ludovic-Court%C3%A8s-Guix-is-accusing-Stallman-of-Thoughtcrime-on-his-own-domain-GNU-org.html | Oct 09 15:05 |
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| schestowitz | ha | Oct 09 15:05 |
| schestowitz | actually now ha | Oct 09 15:05 |
| schestowitz | kind of sucks | Oct 09 15:05 |
| schestowitz | /s/now/not/ | Oct 09 15:08 |
| schestowitz | added to http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/128976#comment-21951 | Oct 09 15:09 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | FSF and GNU | Tux Machines | Oct 09 15:09 | |
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| XRevan86 | https://meduza.io/en/news/2019/10/09/russia-s-justice-ministry-blacklists-alexey-navalny-s-anti-corruption-foundation-as-a-foreign-agent | Oct 09 15:27 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-meduza.io | NO TITLE | Oct 09 15:27 | |
| schestowitz | of course | Oct 09 15:28 |
| XRevan86 | https://zona.media/news/2019/10/09/fbk FBK received 140 000 roubles from the US and Spain | Oct 09 15:28 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-zona.media | Минюст: ФБК признали «иностранным агентом» из‑за пожертвований из Испании и США на 140 тысяч рублей | Oct 09 15:28 | |
| XRevan86 | Star-Doors.Com LLC and ROBERTO FABIO MONDA CARDENAS | Oct 09 15:28 |
| XRevan86 | DoorGate | Oct 09 15:28 |
| XRevan86 | * received according to the Justice Ministry | Oct 09 15:29 |
| schestowitz | lol doorgate | Oct 09 15:29 |
| schestowitz | windowladder | Oct 09 15:29 |
| schestowitz | If techrights even received money from a Russian (it didn't), they'd call us a RUSHAN propaganda site | Oct 09 15:30 |
| schestowitz | this is the political atmosphere we've come to | Oct 09 15:30 |
| schestowitz | and RMS "support Epstein" because he questioned allegation his very old friend Minsky assaulted someone | Oct 09 15:30 |
| *schestowitz sick of it | Oct 09 15:33 | |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: This is worse as "foreign agent" is not just a title. | Oct 09 15:33 |
| *schestowitz supposes many of 700,000 tweets can be taken out of sequences/context | Oct 09 15:33 | |
| XRevan86 | there are serious legal restrictions | Oct 09 15:33 |
| XRevan86 | FBK denies accepting any money from outside Russia. | Oct 09 15:34 |
| schestowitz | (political context, context of the news/buzz at the time of posting (e.g. infamous quote someone made twisted as a joke), order of tweets) | Oct 09 15:34 |
| schestowitz | at this scale you're likely to always find something, XRevan86 | Oct 09 15:35 |
| schestowitz | it's like copyright law | Oct 09 15:35 |
| schestowitz | almost everyone, at some level, breaks copyright law sometimes | Oct 09 15:35 |
| XRevan86 | The amount is kinda ludicrous: 2000 euros | Oct 09 15:35 |
| schestowitz | gates admitted this in an interview (he 'pirates' on youtube) | Oct 09 15:35 |
| schestowitz | duterte did that to rappler | Oct 09 15:35 |
| schestowitz | after omidyar network had paid them a little | Oct 09 15:35 |
| schestowitz | XRevan86: see? small amount | Oct 09 15:35 |
| schestowitz | but it's used as a pretext by those looking to silence them | Oct 09 15:36 |
| schestowitz | like one RT interview | Oct 09 15:36 |
| schestowitz | or one sputnik response to a press query | Oct 09 15:36 |
| schestowitz | then "you're a foreign agent! blacklisted!" | Oct 09 15:36 |
| schestowitz | oh wait | Oct 09 15:36 |
| schestowitz | I speak to you in St. Petersburg | Oct 09 15:37 |
| schestowitz | So techrights "coordinates with RUSHA" | Oct 09 15:37 |
| oiaohm | schestowitz: The way RMS went around arguing over Minsky was lot of very poor arguments most that are were invalid for a person in a management position to use. Does not matter how famous a person is or not there are times people screw up badly and just have to take the fall out for their mistakes. | Oct 09 15:38 |
| MinceR | "Slow down!" "Why? Everyone else is Russian around here!" | Oct 09 15:38 |
| MinceR | > Does not matter how famous a person is | Oct 09 15:38 |
| MinceR | wrong. | Oct 09 15:38 |
| MinceR | rich and truly famous people often get a free pass | Oct 09 15:39 |
| schestowitz | trump: "just grab her by the pussy" | Oct 09 15:39 |
| schestowitz | or gates | Oct 09 15:39 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: has been the case but there have been a lot of cases over this management stuff in recent years where rich and truly famous people have been pushed out of management positions. | Oct 09 15:39 |
| schestowitz | friend of epstein | Oct 09 15:40 |
| schestowitz | flew with him on lolita express | Oct 09 15:40 |
| oiaohm | schestowitz: Gates has been pushed out of his management positions. | Oct 09 15:40 |
| schestowitz | porn found at his home, traded, rape of kids | Oct 09 15:40 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: I see your point. | Oct 09 15:40 |
| oiaohm | Trump is attempting to be impeached. | Oct 09 15:40 |
| schestowitz | also his tech guys was awarded, by will, inheritance money from epstein, which makes you wonder what the heck went on between those people | Oct 09 15:40 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: And scientes is colluding %). | Oct 09 15:41 |
| schestowitz | [15:40] <oiaohm> Trump is attempting to be impeached. | Oct 09 15:41 |
| schestowitz | on unrelated corruption | Oct 09 15:41 |
| scientes | oh geeze guys, who fucking gives a damn? | Oct 09 15:41 |
| scientes | It has nothing to do with us. | Oct 09 15:41 |
| scientes | And those participating in it are abord the USS ship of fools | Oct 09 15:41 |
| schestowitz | scientes (shawn) has russian contacts maybe | Oct 09 15:41 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: What is? | Oct 09 15:42 |
| XRevan86 | The Trump/Zelensky thing? | Oct 09 15:42 |
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| scientes | I don't even know who those people are. | Oct 09 15:42 |
| scientes | Breznev doctrine right there | Oct 09 15:42 |
| schestowitz | iirc, scientes had a short relationship with someone russian in latam | Oct 09 15:43 |
| XRevan86 | Vladimir Zelensky – the current president of Ukraine. | Oct 09 15:43 |
| scientes | oh, that entertaining picture | Oct 09 15:43 |
| oiaohm | schestowitz: trump has 3 different impeached attempts against him at the moment and one is over the sexual stuff. | Oct 09 15:43 |
| XRevan86 | His presidency is quite peculiar, by the way. | Oct 09 15:43 |
| oiaohm | schestowitz: so its kind of a mess at the moment for those in management. | Oct 09 15:43 |
| XRevan86 | As it arguably starts with this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Servant_of_the_People | Oct 09 15:44 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Servant of the People - Wikipedia | Oct 09 15:44 | |
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| XRevan86 | Anyway, about FBK… this status as a foreign agent means that it will be actually illegal for them to "meddle in the elections". | Oct 09 15:49 |
| XRevan86 | Practically all they do is illegal now. | Oct 09 15:50 |
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| XRevan86 | schestowitz: I don't understand the analogy with RMS, as as far as I know, he hasn't been legally charged. Just civil matters. | Oct 09 15:58 |
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| schestowitz | who was? | Oct 09 16:04 |
| oiaohm | XRevan86: You don't have to be legally charged with anything to be found unsuitable for your job so end up removed to protect company/organization from the liability of your actions.. | Oct 09 16:05 |
| oiaohm | Life is not always fair. Management positions are a privilege not a right. | Oct 09 16:07 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: If FBK won't be able to avoid this, it will become criminal if it continues its activism. | Oct 09 16:07 |
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| scientes | https://blog.mozilla.org/security/2019/10/09/iterm2-critical-issue-moss-audit/ | Oct 09 16:44 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.mozilla.org | Critical Security Issue identified in iTerm2 as part of Mozilla Open Source Audit | Mozilla Security Blog | Oct 09 16:44 | |
| scientes | > An attacker who can produce output to the terminal can, in many cases, execute commands on the user’s computer. | Oct 09 16:44 |
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| scientes | why do people get scared when you ask them to think? | Oct 09 17:09 |
| scientes | why is thinking so damn scary? | Oct 09 17:09 |
| MinceR | thinking is difficult; people who think are dangerous | Oct 09 17:10 |
| MinceR | also, thinking leads to different opinions | Oct 09 17:12 |
| MinceR | which are heresy | Oct 09 17:12 |
| psydroid | I don't take Reddit seriously because of this phenomenon, https://www.reddit.com/r/TheoryOfReddit/comments/bxn76f/reddit_is_structurally_engineered_to_stifle/ | Oct 09 17:12 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Reddit is structurally engineered to stifle dissent as a community management strategy (and that's a bad thing). : TheoryOfReddit | Oct 09 17:12 | |
| scientes | psydroid, reddit is a pool of stupidity and ignorance | Oct 09 17:14 |
| scientes | always has been | Oct 09 17:14 |
| MinceR | "Thought for the day: Reason begets doubt; Doubt begets heresy." | Oct 09 17:14 |
| scientes | MinceR, oh that is good | Oct 09 17:14 |
| MinceR | https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Thought_for_the_day_(Q_-_Z) | Oct 09 17:14 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-wh40k.lexicanum.com | Thought for the day (Q - Z) - Warhammer 40k - Lexicanum | Oct 09 17:14 | |
| MinceR | people don't need the help of an upvote/downvote/karma system to stifle dissent, they do that fine as part of communication and moderation | Oct 09 17:15 |
| psydroid | the way I see it is that you never get a different outcome if you think and act the exact same way everyone else does | Oct 09 17:18 |
| scientes | the problem is the impersonalness of the internet | Oct 09 17:22 |
| scientes | if you can't already think, the internet is not going to teach you how | Oct 09 17:23 |
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| srid | That reddit link was censored, so the post text is removed. But you can access it here: https://revddit.com/r/TheoryOfReddit/comments/bxn76f/reddit_is_structurally_engineered_to_stifle/ | Oct 09 17:47 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-revddit | Oct 09 17:47 | |
| schestowitz | they censor a lot | Oct 09 17:47 |
| schestowitz | they are also techrights-hostile | Oct 09 17:47 |
| schestowitz | Conde Nast is the patent company | Oct 09 17:48 |
| schestowitz | they are the ones who caused Torvalds to be removed from kernel hacking for a month | Oct 09 17:48 |
| schestowitz | *parent company | Oct 09 17:48 |
| schestowitz | They published the hit piece in WIRED | Oct 09 17:48 |
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| jalakalaop | I can't see any book here: http://techrights.org/2019/06/02/handbook-fud/ | Oct 09 18:10 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | A Handbook for Destroying the Free Software Movement | Techrights | Oct 09 18:10 | |
| jalakalaop | maybe it is an ironic title | Oct 09 18:10 |
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| schestowitz | the book was posted in a layer part, but oh well, he already left | Oct 09 18:52 |
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| MinceR | so they're a worthy successor to slashdot and digg | Oct 09 19:17 |
| MinceR | reddit, that is | Oct 09 19:18 |
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| kaniini | schestowitz: https://twitter.com/evan_greer/status/1181745056698572802 | Oct 09 19:33 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@evan_greer: Someone just sent this to @fightfortheftr. An internal email showing that @github, which is now owned by @Microsoft… https://t.co/MZMoVFfHKK | Oct 09 19:33 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@evan_greer: Someone just sent this to @fightfortheftr. An internal email showing that @github, which is now owned by @Microsoft… https://t.co/MZMoVFfHKK | Oct 09 19:33 | |
| MinceR | https://hugelolcdn.com/i/629543.jpg | Oct 09 19:35 |
| XRevan86 | Wine is 90% water | Oct 09 19:37 |
| XRevan86 | Can Jesus go recursive? | Oct 09 19:38 |
| MinceR | hopefully | Oct 09 19:39 |
| MinceR | https://hugelolcdn.com/i/629477.jpg | Oct 09 19:42 |
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| XFaCE | MinceR: you know what's great? Awk. | Oct 09 19:49 |
| XFaCE | Thank you cat-v.org for showing me the way | Oct 09 19:49 |
| MinceR | :) | Oct 09 19:49 |
| MinceR | i prefer python and hy | Oct 09 19:49 |
| XFaCE | I put those in a different category | Oct 09 19:50 |
| XFaCE | In terms of built-in options, awk vs perl | Oct 09 19:50 |
| MinceR | https://leahneukirchen.org/blog/archive/2019/10/ken-thompson-s-unix-password.html | Oct 09 19:54 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-leahneukirchen.org | leah blogs: Ken Thompson's Unix password | Oct 09 19:54 | |
| XFaCE | Actually a good password lol | Oct 09 19:55 |
| XFaCE | Nice | Oct 09 19:55 |
| schestowitz | [19:33] <kaniini> schestowitz: https://twitter.com/evan_greer/status/1181745056698572802 | Oct 09 19:57 |
| schestowitz | Stay classy, Bill | Oct 09 19:57 |
| schestowitz | (Gates) | Oct 09 19:57 |
| schestowitz | They could use their money, they keep misreporting their financial state | Oct 09 19:58 |
| schestowitz | sometimes admitting losses | Oct 09 19:58 |
| schestowitz | They want the Pentagon contract now. | Oct 09 19:58 |
| schestowitz | https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/jul/09/amazon-microsoft-war-cloud-pentagon-contract-battle | Oct 09 19:58 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theguardian.com | Amazon and Microsoft battle for $10bn 'war cloud' contract with Pentagon | US news | The Guardian | Oct 09 19:58 | |
| schestowitz | JEDI | Oct 09 19:58 |
| MinceR | tbh probably microsloth can do the most harm to ICE by offering them products and "services" | Oct 09 20:02 |
| MinceR | as anyone else would do the job better and probably cheaper too | Oct 09 20:03 |
| schestowitz | that's budget for Microsoft workers | Oct 09 20:04 |
| schestowitz | which in itself is harmful | Oct 09 20:04 |
| MinceR | yes, but not to ICE | Oct 09 20:06 |
| MinceR | or at least no more than the rest of us | Oct 09 20:07 |
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| psydroid | so Azure is unprofitable and Windows is tanking, is that why they are cozying up with the Linux Foundation and sending all these messages into the world that they love Linux and open source? | Oct 09 20:08 |
| psydroid | what is the real financial story? | Oct 09 20:08 |
| MinceR | > Our voice is heard better by policymakers when we have a seat at the table. | Oct 09 20:09 |
| MinceR | the answer is corruption! | Oct 09 20:09 |
| MinceR | psydroid: they bought their way into the foundation that pays some Linux developers and which was manoeuvred into a position of getting to tell who is allowed to work on Linux | Oct 09 20:09 |
| MinceR | and that foundation is destroying Linux | Oct 09 20:10 |
| MinceR | microsloth can't compete, so they destroy the competition | Oct 09 20:10 |
| MinceR | as always | Oct 09 20:10 |
| MinceR | it took them a while to figure out how to fight free software, but they figured it out | Oct 09 20:10 |
| MinceR | this is one of the few things they're interested in knowing | Oct 09 20:10 |
| MinceR | not how to make products and services that are useful | Oct 09 20:10 |
| MinceR | that's for the chumps who try to exist on the same market | Oct 09 20:11 |
| MinceR | they're also destroying GNU and the FSF | Oct 09 20:11 |
| MinceR | > Just as Microsoft for more than three decades has licensed Microsoft Word without demanding to know what customers use it to write, we believe it would be wrong for GitHub to demand that software developers tell us what they are using our tools to do. | Oct 09 20:12 |
| MinceR | interesting. so what they're doing with office365 is wrong? | Oct 09 20:12 |
| MinceR | oh, i forgot to mention that SJWs are a key component in the proprietary megacorporate strategy to destroy free software | Oct 09 20:15 |
| psydroid | they figured that if they are going down, free software has to go down with them | Oct 09 20:16 |
| psydroid | which is nothing more than a pipe dream, really | Oct 09 20:16 |
| psydroid | because there is no one free software | Oct 09 20:17 |
| psydroid | you can't destroy a concept | Oct 09 20:17 |
| MinceR | they probably believe they'll never go down | Oct 09 20:17 |
| MinceR | just like most humans believe | Oct 09 20:17 |
| MinceR | you can't destroy a concept but you can discredit it in the eyes of most developers | Oct 09 20:18 |
| MinceR | and you can make maintenance of important large scale free software projects impossible | Oct 09 20:18 |
| MinceR | that is, they can | Oct 09 20:18 |
| MinceR | especially since apparently many people in the community were converted to crybullyism | Oct 09 20:18 |
| MinceR | i'm curious though, how these morons believe humanity will defend itself against a meteor impact or the Sun going red giant without workable technology | Oct 09 20:19 |
| MinceR | they can also use SJWs to craft legal tools available worldwide to fight (or even ban) free software | Oct 09 20:21 |
| MinceR | https://hugelolcdn.com/i/629473.jpg | Oct 09 20:21 |
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| psydroid | maybe that is exactly what should happen to reset the planet | Oct 09 20:23 |
| MinceR | indeed | Oct 09 20:24 |
| MinceR | maybe intelligent life can evolve after humans get out of the way | Oct 09 20:24 |
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| psydroid | I've been thinking that this is why too much centralisation is not a good thing | Oct 09 20:34 |
| MinceR | it has to do with that, yes, but not all of the toxic effects rely on centralization | Oct 09 20:34 |
| psydroid | let's create many GNUs, so they can play whack-a-mole | Oct 09 20:34 |
| MinceR | we don't even seem to have the manpower for one | Oct 09 20:35 |
| psydroid | maybe because it is too hard to become a part of that one | Oct 09 20:36 |
| MinceR | i mean even GNU/Linux distros are having trouble since systemd wiped out most of them | Oct 09 20:37 |
| psydroid | that is why maybe we should go back to basics and work on a new simple codebase ("won't be professional like GNU/Linux") that can be maintained by hobbyists | Oct 09 20:40 |
| psydroid | to me commercial GNU/Linux has become just like UNIX | Oct 09 20:41 |
| MinceR | is there even a commercial GNU/Linux anymore? seems to me they've all gone systemd | Oct 09 20:43 |
| psydroid | you could say that | Oct 09 20:45 |
| MinceR | that simple codebase could work if it was designed to have a small core and so that the parts there's no manpower to maintain anymore can be disabled/removed easily | Oct 09 20:45 |
| MinceR | that's how i'd write a kernel if i were to do it | Oct 09 20:45 |
| MinceR | and try to keep it small but not micro (like plan9's kernel) | Oct 09 20:45 |
| psydroid | so would I, although I haven't studied microkernels in enough detail to say anything meaningful about them | Oct 09 20:46 |
| MinceR | well, afaict they're difficult to design and implement and there's not much point to it if there's one large server doing too much | Oct 09 20:47 |
| MinceR | afaik there was one multiserver microkernel system (HURD) and it had many issues and eventually effectively died | Oct 09 20:47 |
| psydroid | I read the O'Reilly Linux kernel programming books a decade ago and took an operating systems course earlier this year for which we had to write some kernel code, but I feel a lot has changed I should catch up with first | Oct 09 20:48 |
| MinceR | i guess the bright side to the demise of IT is that there will be a point where there will be no (or negligible) new information to learn | Oct 09 20:49 |
| psydroid | I installed Debian GNU/Hurd in QEMU a few months ago, but I couldn't get X up and running | Oct 09 20:49 |
| MinceR | https://www.gnu.org/software/hurd/open_issues/systemd.html | Oct 09 20:49 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gnu.org | systemd | Oct 09 20:49 | |
| MinceR | obviously what a multiserver microkernel system needs the most is a massive single point of failure | Oct 09 20:50 |
| psydroid | and I haven't been able to look at since | Oct 09 20:50 |
| psydroid | indeed | Oct 09 20:50 |
| MinceR | (audio:unimportant) https://vid.pr0gramm.com/2019/07/30/65723f63473efcf8.mp4 | Oct 09 20:53 |
| psydroid | at it* | Oct 09 20:54 |
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| decnet | "Microsoft Windows 10 sends all new unique binaries for further analysis to Microsoft by default" | Oct 09 21:26 |
| decnet | https://medium.com/sensorfu/how-my-application-ran-away-and-called-home-from-redmond-de7af081100d | Oct 09 21:26 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-medium.com | How my application ran away and called home from Redmond | Oct 09 21:26 | |
| decnet | All your binaries belong us! | Oct 09 21:28 |
| MinceR | why spy on users only if you can also spy on developers? | Oct 09 21:30 |
| decnet | It would be a good way of bypassing the firewall. Run your executable on the target then wait for it to be uploaded to Redmond, then have it contact the home server? | Oct 09 21:36 |
| MinceR | it's also a way to run a DoS bot on microsloth infrastructure :> | Oct 09 21:36 |
| decnet | Seriously; it just a pretext to perform yet more spying on the end user! | Oct 09 21:37 |
| MinceR | data exfiltration | Oct 09 21:37 |
| MinceR | but they call it "telemetry" | Oct 09 21:37 |
| MinceR | https://hugelolcdn.com/i/629394.jpg | Oct 09 21:37 |
| decnet | Key-sttrokes as well, purely to help with the spelling ;] | Oct 09 21:38 |
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| psydroid | how anyone still puts any trust into that thing, I don't know | Oct 09 21:39 |
| MinceR | mental retardation | Oct 09 21:39 |
| decnet | Marketing and propaganda | Oct 09 21:40 |
| psydroid | even when I had to use it at work, I only ran the applications I needed for the job on it and everything else in a GNU/Linux VM | Oct 09 21:41 |
| decnet | Except your GNU/Linux VM gets uploaded to the Borg! | Oct 09 21:43 |
| MinceR | it also gets shut down uncleanly when microsuck decides it's time for a reboot NOW | Oct 09 21:43 |
| psydroid | oh right! | Oct 09 21:43 |
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| MinceR | and gets the input focus stolen from all the time because those morons can't design a windowing system | Oct 09 21:43 |
| decnet | One OS to bind them in the darkness :o | Oct 09 21:45 |
| MinceR | and afaict all virtualizers for winblows are nearly unusable | Oct 09 21:46 |
| MinceR | with vmware you're lucky if it even manages to start | Oct 09 21:46 |
| MinceR | with virtualbox, shared folders and clipboard integration keep breaking all the time | Oct 09 21:46 |
| decnet | Boot from a Linux USB .. | Oct 09 21:46 |
| MinceR | if uefi lets you | Oct 09 21:46 |
| decnet | Microsoft ueif © | Oct 09 21:47 |
| MinceR | indeed | Oct 09 21:47 |
| decnet | Linux LiveUSB, a bit sluggish, but works .. | Oct 09 21:49 |
| psydroid | my work laptops at the time were locked down, so no Linux USB | Oct 09 21:51 |
| MinceR | my work laptop has broken firmware (hp sucks) so it will only boot with uefi | Oct 09 21:52 |
| decnet | Seattle Public Schools: K-12 Math Ethnic Studies Framework | Oct 09 21:55 |
| decnet | https://www.k12.wa.us/sites/default/files/public/socialstudies/pubdocs/Math%20SDS%20ES%20Framework.pdf | Oct 09 21:55 |
| MinceR | Special K | Oct 09 21:55 |
| decnet | I hadn't realised maths was divisive? | Oct 09 21:55 |
| decnet | "Origins, Identity and Agency, as | Oct 09 21:56 |
| decnet | defined by ethnic studies, is the | Oct 09 21:56 |
| decnet | ways in which we view ourselves | Oct 09 21:56 |
| decnet | as mathematicians and members | Oct 09 21:56 |
| decnet | of broader mathematical | Oct 09 21:56 |
| decnet | communities. Mathematical theory | Oct 09 21:56 |
| decnet | and application is rooted in the | Oct 09 21:56 |
| decnet | ancient histories of people and | Oct 09 21:56 |
| decnet | empires of color" | Oct 09 21:56 |
| decnet | Jesus tap-dancing, have the woke set now infiltrated the hard sciences? | Oct 09 21:56 |
| MinceR | mathematics say something true about reality, and as such, cultists see it as competition | Oct 09 21:56 |
| MinceR | according to the bible, pi=3.0 | Oct 09 21:57 |
| decnet | It's just a matter of cultural interpretation :] | Oct 09 21:57 |
| psydroid | what exactly is happening in the US? | Oct 09 21:58 |
| *psydroid doesn't follow anymore | Oct 09 21:58 | |
| decnet | It's gone insane, and you know what they say about America, that's us in ten years :] | Oct 09 21:58 |
| decnet | That article isn't an onion parody, is it? | Oct 09 21:59 |
| MinceR | psydroid: the decline of the human species | Oct 09 22:00 |
| decnet | Walmart People: http://www.peopleofwalmart.com/ | Oct 09 22:02 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.peopleofwalmart.com | People Of Walmart - Funny Pictures of People Shopping at Walmart : People Of Walmart | Oct 09 22:02 | |
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| decnet | Be back later on +- 30m | Oct 09 22:07 |
| psydroid | MinceR, amidst all of this I feel almost everything I learned about computing is outdated, they keep reinventing the wheel but make it even worse | Oct 09 22:10 |
| psydroid | I have to go too, I need to wake up at 6 | Oct 09 22:10 |
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| srid | http://octave-app.org/2019/10/09/statement-on-stallman.html | Oct 09 22:21 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-octave-app.org | Octave.app Statement on Richard Stallman | Octave.app | Oct 09 22:21 | |
| superkuh | Ignorance, lying, and groupthink is only to be expected from mac users. | Oct 09 22:23 |
| srid | I have a feeling that the likes of Sarah Mei are silently bullying folks behind GNU projects into making statements like this. | Oct 09 22:28 |
| chomwitt | reading octave's statement after read gnu's team statement etc ...i feel the libresoftware every day is getting deeper in quagmire | Oct 09 22:34 |
| chomwitt | sorry ,, octave.app's statement | Oct 09 22:35 |
| cubexyz | I'm still not sure what happened to Ian Murdock | Oct 09 22:36 |
| chomwitt | i mean what is that.. octave.app has a problem also with rms ?? rms was an object to their work?? | Oct 09 22:37 |
| cubexyz | hopefully Patrick Volkerding and Theo de Raadt stay with us a long time | Oct 09 22:37 |
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| decnet | ping ? | Oct 09 23:11 |
| decnet | pong | Oct 09 23:13 |
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