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| DaemonFC[m] | "More than 110,000 additional people in the US are projected to die from Covid-19 in just the next two months, according to the University of Washington's Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation." | Nov 13 00:01 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | Well, that would bring it to 360,000 | Nov 13 00:01 |
| DaemonFC[m] | You know, back in March mom wouldn't hear any of it when I said "Could be 400,000 dead by the end of the year.". | Nov 13 00:02 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I wasn't that far off. | Nov 13 00:02 |
| DaemonFC[m] | IMHE is saying you give it through end of January and it'll be close to that. | Nov 13 00:02 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | This Microsoft Edge Linux crap just needs to stop. These sites are giving it so much free exposure. | Nov 13 00:36 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's the worst browser for privacy except maybe the Yandex browser or something out of North Korea. | Nov 13 00:36 |
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| schestowitz | Ariadne: viera is gone offline [23:23] <-- viera (~viera@2602:fd37:1::84) has left this server (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). | Nov 13 00:45 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Cancer Treatment Centers of America is having severe financial problems. | Nov 13 00:52 |
| schestowitz | departing gift | Nov 13 00:52 |
| schestowitz | from "herd immunity" people | Nov 13 00:52 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Their strategy seems to be begging potential buyers to see the value in a takeover, and imploring patients who are staying away to come in for a cancer screening, when they don't take Medicare and Medicaid and less and less people have private insurance. | Nov 13 00:52 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Much less GOOD policies where CTCA is in network.' | Nov 13 00:53 |
| schestowitz | covid19 killed more than just covid carriers/patients | Nov 13 00:53 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Also, they went from spending millions and millions on Republican candidates to almost nothing this year. | Nov 13 00:53 |
| schestowitz | by overwhelming the medical system | Nov 13 00:53 |
| schestowitz | even flu becomes more deadly | Nov 13 00:53 |
| schestowitz | as you are not guaranteed a bed if you need one | Nov 13 00:54 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Last we saw MARISOL she was shopping at the Waukegan Walmart and grabbing Great Value water. | Nov 13 00:54 |
| schestowitz | lol | Nov 13 00:54 |
| schestowitz | use f-ing tap water | Nov 13 00:54 |
| schestowitz | you're not in flint | Nov 13 00:54 |
| schestowitz | you have great lakes nearby and some dumb companies empty them | Nov 13 00:54 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So they can put it in plastic and sell it to idiots. | Nov 13 00:56 |
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| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: pretty much | Nov 13 00:59 |
| schestowitz | "shrewd" business people | Nov 13 00:59 |
| schestowitz | selling fake scarcities | Nov 13 00:59 |
| schestowitz | like particular medications and "software licences" | Nov 13 00:59 |
| DaemonFC[m] | People making over $50,000 are much more likely to buy bottled water for some reason. | Nov 13 00:59 |
| schestowitz | create a scarcity | Nov 13 00:59 |
| schestowitz | sell back the old norm | Nov 13 01:00 |
| DaemonFC[m] | You can just send tap water through a Brita filter for about 10 cents a gallon. | Nov 13 01:00 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: you drink more than you eat | Nov 13 01:00 |
| schestowitz | and then you're willing to spend some money on water you perceive to be better | Nov 13 01:00 |
| schestowitz | it seems cheap | Nov 13 01:00 |
| schestowitz | but water, even treated, is a community | Nov 13 01:00 |
| schestowitz | you can water your plants | Nov 13 01:00 |
| schestowitz | 1000 litres | Nov 13 01:00 |
| schestowitz | for less than the cost of some gallons of bottled water | Nov 13 01:01 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It seems cheap, but you drink almost a gallon of liquids per day. | Nov 13 01:01 |
| schestowitz | I think it became popular in the 90s | Nov 13 01:01 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Even if it does only cost you 89 cents, that's $325 per person. | Nov 13 01:01 |
| schestowitz | drinking water from plastic | Nov 13 01:01 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Per year, that is. | Nov 13 01:02 |
| schestowitz | they convinced people tap water was "Disgusting" | Nov 13 01:02 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Yeah, on the machine at Walmart it has these fucking stupid ads where it shows dirt and plants growing in the pipes. | Nov 13 01:03 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Asks if you know what's in your water. :P | Nov 13 01:03 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Then if course you're supposed to spend $6.84 for 5 gallons of theirs. | Nov 13 01:03 |
| DaemonFC[m] | (Plus bottle deposits.) | Nov 13 01:03 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: So the new landlord has the laundry set up $1.50 to wash and $1.50 to dry. I thought oh good. It was $2.25 to wash and $2 to dry at the hotel. I'll save at least $1.25 per load here. | Nov 13 01:07 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Then I found out you only get about half an hour per $1.50, so it's really $3 to dry. So I went to Walmart and got a gigantic laundry rack and it takes about 24 hours for my clothes to dry on it, but I figure we can save at least $180 a year on laundry that way. | Nov 13 01:08 |
| DaemonFC[m] | We're in a situation where we can't make substantially more money right now, but we can conserve some. | Nov 13 01:09 |
| schestowitz | makes sense | Nov 13 01:09 |
| Ariadne | hmm I think the first thing I will do is move viera container to the techrights instance | Nov 13 01:09 |
| Ariadne | that way you can reboot it yourself | Nov 13 01:09 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Conservation is easier than effort. | Nov 13 01:09 |
| schestowitz | Ariadne: good idea :) | Nov 13 01:10 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Those meat markdowns at Walmart happen every day. I'm there every day now. | Nov 13 01:11 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I just keep stuffing more in the freezer. | Nov 13 01:11 |
| schestowitz | rianne spent an hour yesterday looking for marked down foods | Nov 13 01:12 |
| schestowitz | maybe even 2 hours | Nov 13 01:12 |
| schestowitz | the town is ghostly | Nov 13 01:12 |
| schestowitz | sort of | Nov 13 01:12 |
| schestowitz | less than first lockdown | Nov 13 01:12 |
| schestowitz | how many died with covid in the US? | Nov 13 01:12 |
| schestowitz | yesterday/today? | Nov 13 01:13 |
| DaemonFC[m] | 250,000 almost exactly at this point. | Nov 13 01:13 |
| schestowitz | wow, gained pace | Nov 13 01:13 |
| DaemonFC[m] | About 1400-1500 per day again. | Nov 13 01:13 |
| schestowitz | maga | Nov 13 01:13 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Total disaster. | Nov 13 01:13 |
| schestowitz | he said it had gone away | Nov 13 01:13 |
| schestowitz | and congratulated himself | Nov 13 01:13 |
| DaemonFC[m] | 160,000 new cases today. | Nov 13 01:13 |
| schestowitz | our pry minister said by xmas it would be all fine | Nov 13 01:13 |
| schestowitz | back in summer | Nov 13 01:14 |
| schestowitz | he was then corrected by his health official | Nov 13 01:14 |
| schestowitz | maybe US will be back to "9/11 per day" | Nov 13 01:14 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Yeah, and by his own respirator at the nearby hospital, as I recall. | Nov 13 01:14 |
| schestowitz | in 1-2 months | Nov 13 01:14 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: It's back in the building mom works at. | Nov 13 01:14 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They're testing the staff every few days now. | Nov 13 01:14 |
| DaemonFC[m] | 3 employees forced out because of it. At least one resident. Her supervisor's husband got it and so that lady's been home sick with it and quarantined this week. | Nov 13 01:15 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Guy in the laundry area was hacking up a lung here yesterday. | Nov 13 01:15 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The Comcast guy came in, we were both wearing masks. | Nov 13 01:16 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I had my air purifiers running full speed. | Nov 13 01:16 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I brought both big ones in the livingroom and a small HEPA on top of that. | Nov 13 01:16 |
| schestowitz | brb, coffee | Nov 13 01:16 |
| schestowitz | it's 1am here | Nov 13 01:17 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Think about it. He's going into dozens of homes every day and has to for work. | Nov 13 01:17 |
| schestowitz | I need to catch up with 200 unread rss items | Nov 13 01:17 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So I told him I hope you don't mind but I've got three air purifiers here running full speed. | Nov 13 01:17 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: Online Grocery is going crazy so they kept Mandy over two hours. | Nov 13 01:23 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I turned the slow cooker down to warm. :/ | Nov 13 01:23 |
| DaemonFC[m] | His schedule is unpredictable now. | Nov 13 01:23 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I just shop in person again a few days at a time mostly. | Nov 13 01:24 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The grocery pickup people keep messing my orders up. | Nov 13 01:24 |
| schestowitz | Ariadne: is it being moved today? | Nov 13 01:26 |
| schestowitz | (the viera program) | Nov 13 01:26 |
| Ariadne | yes | Nov 13 01:26 |
| Ariadne | let me wake up | Nov 13 01:26 |
| schestowitz | cheers | Nov 13 01:26 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I'm not going to the DMV to change our addresses until his state ID expires in September next year. | Nov 13 01:27 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Illinois tops the list on Coronavirus cases and if you think I'm standing outside for 3 hours freezing my ass off when the state says all you have to do is update your card file.... | Nov 13 01:27 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The only thing I really care about is whether or not they can cite me for not having a driver's license, and they can't. | Nov 13 01:28 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Not only can they not, I don't have to change my license until this one expires in 2025. | Nov 13 01:28 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I hurried and got it updated because I didn't think we'd be living at the hotel long enough to do the safe driver online renewal and I was right. | Nov 13 01:30 |
| DaemonFC[m] | And I also figured the Coronavirus would come back in a big way and didn't want to fall under the "Oh, well we'll give you another month and see where this goes." 14th month in a row. | Nov 13 01:30 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: I suppose you heard | Nov 13 01:31 |
| schestowitz | we move servers soon | Nov 13 01:31 |
| schestowitz | I will likely keep my involvement in IRC (in the interim) limited to tech | Nov 13 01:31 |
| schestowitz | I've fallen behind on so many things | Nov 13 01:32 |
| schestowitz | keep safe | Nov 13 01:32 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Moving servers? | Nov 13 01:32 |
| schestowitz | yes | Nov 13 01:32 |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-techrights-121120.html | Nov 13 01:32 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IRC: #techrights @ FreeNode: Thursday, November 12, 2020 | Nov 13 01:32 | |
| schestowitz | details here | Nov 13 01:32 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Well, good luck with that I suppose. Off to grab Mandy. Will read later. | Nov 13 01:32 |
| schestowitz | at least an opportunity to do long-overdue OS upgrades etc. | Nov 13 01:33 |
| schestowitz | lots of "technical debt" | Nov 13 01:33 |
| schestowitz | lol https://www.maketecheasier.com/deal/fitbit-charge-4-fitness-tracker/ | Nov 13 01:38 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.maketecheasier.com | Take $50 Off a Fitbit Charge 4 Fitness Tracker - Make Tech Easier | Nov 13 01:38 | |
| schestowitz | tucker | Nov 13 01:38 |
| schestowitz | promoting this google crap as usual | Nov 13 01:38 |
| schestowitz | sending data to them | Nov 13 01:38 |
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| schestowitz | Ariadne: thanks very much for everything! | Nov 13 01:46 |
| schestowitz | rianne is also very grateful | Nov 13 01:46 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Oracle Unbreakable Enterprise Kernel R6U1 Prepares For AMD Milan, Adds WireGuard http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144297#comment-27130 [https://pleroma.site/objects/6b2266f3-89e9-4fed-b94d-9ce8d0cfe3bb] | Nov 13 01:51 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Headless NanoPi combines RK3399 with dual GbE ports http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144284#comment-27131 [https://pleroma.site/objects/fa8611aa-7c33-48e3-890b-e15c03948c3d] | Nov 13 01:52 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: #Android Leftovers • 𝕋𝕦𝕩 𝕄𝕒𝕔𝕙𝕚𝕟𝕖𝕤 ☞ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144305 [https://pleroma.site/objects/80656667-3d0b-44b4-911f-21d75a593064] | Nov 13 01:53 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: 14 Linux Distributions You Can Rely on for Your Ancient 32-bit Computer • 𝕋𝕦𝕩 𝕄𝕒𝕔𝕙𝕚𝕟𝕖𝕤 ☞ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144304 [https://pleroma.site/objects/350948e0-6841-4d0c-be58-43db8bb882cb] | Nov 13 01:56 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Games: Rocket Rumble, Streets of Rage 4 and Lots More • 𝕋𝕦𝕩 𝕄𝕒𝕔𝕙𝕚𝕟𝕖𝕤 ☞ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144306 [https://pleroma.site/objects/c38e6a8b-a3ad-425b-86e3-3da2e90da3c8] | Nov 13 02:01 | |
| schestowitz | xxxxxxx wrote on 12/11/2020 23:30: | Nov 13 02:04 |
| schestowitz | > Guido went full Torvalds, eh? Fucking asshole. | Nov 13 02:04 |
| schestowitz | If it helps, it doesn't surprise me. Look where he worked in recent years. | Nov 13 02:05 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Today’s #HowTos | #UNIX • 𝕋𝕦𝕩 𝕄𝕒𝕔𝕙𝕚𝕟𝕖𝕤 ☞ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144307 [https://pleroma.site/objects/cc3f07eb-837c-4c61-8cde-0b1d02acf34d] | Nov 13 02:25 | |
| schestowitz | Ariadne: https://thenewstack.io/github-actions-design-flaw-leaves-security-hole-for-remote-code-execution/ | Nov 13 02:49 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-thenewstack.io | GitHub Actions Design Flaw Leaves Security Hole for Remote Code Execution – The New Stack | Nov 13 02:49 | |
| schestowitz | this just in | Nov 13 02:49 |
| Ariadne | :D | Nov 13 02:51 |
| Ariadne | yet another CI solution with bugs | Nov 13 02:51 |
| schestowitz | NSA bugs also | Nov 13 02:51 |
| schestowitz | bug in another sense of the word | Nov 13 02:51 |
| schestowitz | remember PRISM | Nov 13 02:51 |
| schestowitz | the media "forgot" | Nov 13 02:51 |
| schestowitz | it's "old news" | Nov 13 02:51 |
| schestowitz | Trump 'reformed' NSA | Nov 13 02:51 |
| Ariadne | i've found that trying to fight the "five eyes" surveillance apparatus is not so easy | Nov 13 02:52 |
| schestowitz | it is hard | Nov 13 02:52 |
| schestowitz | but it's a real issue nonetheless | Nov 13 02:52 |
| Ariadne | what i find surprising is that NSA spies have not attempted to attack distributions | Nov 13 02:53 |
| Ariadne | there is not much vetting of distribution developers | Nov 13 02:53 |
| Ariadne | it would be easy | Nov 13 02:53 |
| MinceR | well, hedrat did it for them | Nov 13 02:54 |
| MinceR | why bother with individual distros if you can just get them all to adopt systemd? | Nov 13 02:54 |
| Ariadne | alpine does not use systemd :) | Nov 13 02:55 |
| schestowitz | [02:53] <Ariadne> what i find surprising is that NSA spies have not attempted to attack distributions | Nov 13 02:55 |
| schestowitz | tbey did | Nov 13 02:55 |
| schestowitz | do you think they publicly announce when they do? | Nov 13 02:55 |
| schestowitz | maybe alpine was spared... for now | Nov 13 02:55 |
| schestowitz | techrights infiltration attempts were done even more than a decade ago | Nov 13 02:56 |
| schestowitz | British cops | Nov 13 02:56 |
| Ariadne | so far it seems to be. but then again, i keep a very close eye on critical packages | Nov 13 02:56 |
| schestowitz | who work undercover | Nov 13 02:56 |
| schestowitz | Pocock suspects he knows of GCHQ inside Debian | Nov 13 02:57 |
| schestowitz | but the proof is mostly circumstantial | Nov 13 02:57 |
| schestowitz | he maintained some security-related stuff | Nov 13 02:57 |
| schestowitz | the way they wrote to journalists with libel sure raises suspicions also | Nov 13 02:58 |
| schestowitz | after those whom they libeled raised concerns about spies inside Debian | Nov 13 02:58 |
| Ariadne | yes the more i look into what happened to pocock, it seems to me like he is being punished for whistleblowing | Nov 13 02:59 |
| schestowitz | it is really easy to infiltrate such projects | Nov 13 02:59 |
| schestowitz | the vetting process is minimal | Nov 13 02:59 |
| schestowitz | and they can be recruited AFTER they're already in | Nov 13 02:59 |
| Ariadne | some fedora people concluded the same when debian came and demanded they kick pocock out of fedora | Nov 13 02:59 |
| schestowitz | it started with FSFE | Nov 13 02:59 |
| Ariadne | its a bit harder to become an alpine developer | Nov 13 02:59 |
| schestowitz | who demanded it from Debian | Nov 13 03:00 |
| Ariadne | there is some significant vetting | Nov 13 03:00 |
| schestowitz | the points he made about FSFE were all legit | Nov 13 03:00 |
| schestowitz | Werner Koch, who co-founded FSFE, took these seriouslty | Nov 13 03:00 |
| schestowitz | to the point of quitting FSFE | Nov 13 03:00 |
| Ariadne | but alpine was ultimately started by disgruntled debian people so :) | Nov 13 03:00 |
| schestowitz | citing what Pocock had said | Nov 13 03:00 |
| schestowitz | Ariadne: that's good | Nov 13 03:00 |
| schestowitz | same with devuan | Nov 13 03:01 |
| schestowitz | the branching makes us more robust, i think | Nov 13 03:01 |
| schestowitz | imagine if Vista has that | Nov 13 03:01 |
| schestowitz | "disgruntled XP devs" | Nov 13 03:01 |
| schestowitz | not happy with DRM etc. | Nov 13 03:01 |
| schestowitz | and soaring hardware reqs, drivers becoming obsolete | Nov 13 03:01 |
| schestowitz | Ariadne: if you look at today's news (I do 200 items from yesterday now), you'll see Microsoft trying to wrest control of the LINUX brand | Nov 13 03:02 |
| schestowitz | like they did Java beforehand | Nov 13 03:03 |
| schestowitz | exactly same tactics | Nov 13 03:03 |
| Ariadne | sure | Nov 13 03:03 |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Bill_Gates_Deposition | Nov 13 03:03 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Bill Gates Deposition - Techrights | Nov 13 03:03 | |
| schestowitz | groklaw is dead btw | Nov 13 03:03 |
| schestowitz | down for almost a month | Nov 13 03:03 |
| Ariadne | i guess personally i do not care about that, as it does not really impact me either way | Nov 13 03:03 |
| schestowitz | it's a good thing we grabbed all those videos while it lasted | Nov 13 03:03 |
| schestowitz | Ariadne: we need to look at further threats now | Nov 13 03:03 |
| schestowitz | like you said, amazon and google are among them | Nov 13 03:04 |
| schestowitz | but Microsoft is still there, attacking very hard | Nov 13 03:04 |
| schestowitz | and laying off azure staff | Nov 13 03:04 |
| schestowitz | it's not profitable, still, it seems... | Nov 13 03:04 |
| schestowitz | after what? 6 years? 7? | Nov 13 03:04 |
| Ariadne | of course, the group of alpine devs i started a company with, we call ourselves NSA too | Nov 13 03:04 |
| Ariadne | Network Services Association ;) | Nov 13 03:04 |
| MinceR | :> | Nov 13 03:05 |
| schestowitz | they didn't manage to pull off the monopoly after cannibalising their old things, by rebranding | Nov 13 03:05 |
| schestowitz | National SHeep Association | Nov 13 03:05 |
| schestowitz | I think it's the Scottish one here | Nov 13 03:05 |
| Ariadne | sheep are inherently good | Nov 13 03:05 |
| Ariadne | they sit around going 'baaaaaa' and never causing any trouble | Nov 13 03:05 |
| Ariadne | goats, on the other hand... | Nov 13 03:05 |
| MinceR | :> | Nov 13 03:05 |
| MinceR | male sheep do occasionally attempt to cause trouble by ramming things | Nov 13 03:06 |
| Ariadne | the one thing i do not understand is | Nov 13 03:06 |
| Ariadne | why the fuck did microsoft buy linkedin | Nov 13 03:06 |
| schestowitz | no use | Nov 13 03:06 |
| schestowitz | skype- same | Nov 13 03:06 |
| schestowitz | though it put it in prism shortly afterwards | Nov 13 03:06 |
| MinceR | because they were envious of other collectors of private data | Nov 13 03:06 |
| schestowitz | so nsa was a possible factor too | Nov 13 03:07 |
| schestowitz | skype was european and not british (5-eyes) | Nov 13 03:07 |
| schestowitz | linkedin fired many people this past summer | Nov 13 03:07 |
| schestowitz | more than they publicly admit | Nov 13 03:07 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft fired about 5000 | Nov 13 03:07 |
| Ariadne | does anyone actually use linkedin? | Nov 13 03:07 |
| schestowitz | and did not renew some contracts, so many 10,000+ for real number | Nov 13 03:08 |
| Ariadne | i've never really felt compelled to use a "social network about work" | Nov 13 03:08 |
| schestowitz | Ariadne: some lawyers | Nov 13 03:08 |
| schestowitz | Ariadne: those are a waste of time | Nov 13 03:08 |
| schestowitz | I lost interest around 2012 when I had the "500+" connections | Nov 13 03:08 |
| schestowitz | and then I though, wtf is this even useful for? | Nov 13 03:08 |
| schestowitz | like the site klout | Nov 13 03:09 |
| schestowitz | people creating false perceptions of popularity | Nov 13 03:09 |
| schestowitz | in exchange for someone farming social graphs | Nov 13 03:09 |
| schestowitz | https://gadgets.ndtv.com/apps/news/google-chrome-update-version-86-0-4240-198-zero-day-vulnerabilities-fix-windows-mac-linux-2324297 | Nov 13 03:14 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-gadgets.ndtv.com | Google Chrome for Windows, Mac, Linux Receiving Update With Two Zero-Day Patches | Technology News | Nov 13 03:14 | |
| schestowitz | 'linux | Nov 13 03:14 |
| schestowitz | nothing linux in there | Nov 13 03:14 |
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| schestowitz | Ariadne: viera offline | Nov 13 03:14 |
| schestowitz | maybe the link caused something? | Nov 13 03:14 |
| Ariadne | i know | Nov 13 03:15 |
| Ariadne | i moved it | Nov 13 03:15 |
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| Ariadne | just now | Nov 13 03:15 |
| schestowitz | aha | Nov 13 03:15 |
| schestowitz | cheers | Nov 13 03:15 |
| Ariadne | you can start/stop it yourself now | Nov 13 03:15 |
| Ariadne | techrights-ctr-sfo1:/home/kaniini# lxc-ls -f | Nov 13 03:15 |
| Ariadne | NAME STATE AUTOSTART GROUPS IPV4 IPV6 UNPRIVILEGED | Nov 13 03:15 |
| Ariadne | mysql-shared RUNNING 1 - 10.163.214.20 - false | Nov 13 03:15 |
| Ariadne | viera RUNNING 1 - 170.39.20.84 2602:fd37:1::84 false | Nov 13 03:15 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Security Leftovers • 𝕋𝕦𝕩 𝕄𝕒𝕔𝕙𝕚𝕟𝕖𝕤 ☞ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144308 [https://pleroma.site/objects/3b4974fc-761f-471d-b480-dcc63f1a0cfc] | Nov 13 03:15 | |
| Ariadne | :) | Nov 13 03:15 |
| schestowitz | cheers! | Nov 13 03:15 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I scored a couple of London Broils at Walmart 25% off. | Nov 13 03:16 |
| DaemonFC[m] | My freezer is packed. | Nov 13 03:16 |
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| schestowitz | lxc-attach -n | Nov 13 03:17 |
| schestowitz | viera ? | Nov 13 03:17 |
| Ariadne | yes | Nov 13 03:18 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The slow cooker is my favorite kitchen appliance. | Nov 13 03:19 |
| schestowitz | service viera restart | Nov 13 03:19 |
| schestowitz | i see now in bash history | Nov 13 03:19 |
| Ariadne | DaemonFC[m]: instant pot is honestly better | Nov 13 03:19 |
| schestowitz | cheers, that'll save you from being hassled ;-) | Nov 13 03:19 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: steamers are good also if you get carrots and potatoes | Nov 13 03:20 |
| schestowitz | good for vegetarian diets | Nov 13 03:20 |
| Ariadne | instant pot can do steaming, slow cooking, pressure cooking | Nov 13 03:20 |
| Ariadne | :P | Nov 13 03:20 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Instant pot is great on pressure cook but I gave up on it as a slow cooker. | Nov 13 03:21 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: record number of cases for covid19 | Nov 13 03:21 |
| *GNUmoon (~GNUmoon@gateway/tor-sasl/gnumoon) has joined #techrights | Nov 13 03:21 | |
| schestowitz | over 10,000 deaths/day worldwide now... covid is going away like Donald Trump is leaving the White House | Nov 13 03:21 |
| Ariadne | ok | Nov 13 03:21 |
| Ariadne | proposal: set up wireguard between current techrights server, new techrights server, move mariadb container to new techrights server | Nov 13 03:22 |
| oiaohm | Really I would say potatoes are a must for a steamer. Sweet potatoes is the closest to a normal potato that gets in out steamer. daikon radish and other things end up in the bottom of our steamers. | Nov 13 03:22 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Trump is leaving. | Nov 13 03:23 |
| DaemonFC[m] | His support in the Senate has basically collapsed. | Nov 13 03:23 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The courts are going to laugh him out as fast as he files lawsuits. | Nov 13 03:23 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The Republicans at state level say he lost and needs to get over it. | Nov 13 03:23 |
| schestowitz | Ariadne: there are (I think) 4 DBs in it | Nov 13 03:23 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The military said they won't take his orders after January and won't attack civilians. | Nov 13 03:24 |
| DaemonFC[m] | But the fact they have to say that is terrifying. | Nov 13 03:24 |
| DaemonFC[m] | He has no support. | Nov 13 03:24 |
| DaemonFC[m] | He's failed and everyone just wants him gone. | Nov 13 03:25 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The Republicans see it as they live to fight another day so who cares. | Nov 13 03:25 |
| schestowitz | Trump will be a civilian soon | Nov 13 03:25 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Maybe without Trump they do better in 2022. | Nov 13 03:25 |
| Ariadne | 97.9G 20.9G 72.0G 22% /var/lib/mysql | Nov 13 03:26 |
| schestowitz | then they can 'attack' him | Nov 13 03:26 |
| Ariadne | ok | Nov 13 03:26 |
| Ariadne | yes | Nov 13 03:26 |
| oiaohm | https://www.wbur.org/hereandnow/2020/11/10/trump-loss-consequences-jane-mayer I had forgot in Nixion time it was set president cannot pardon self. | Nov 13 03:26 |
| Ariadne | i think that is what we will do | Nov 13 03:26 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.wbur.org | Do Legal, Financial Troubles Await President Trump When He Leaves The White House? | Here & Now | Nov 13 03:26 | |
| oiaohm | Lot of ways once trump time is up its going to be a competition for who gets him first. | Nov 13 03:26 |
| schestowitz | Ariadne: there's only one DB not in that container, it's the drupal DB of tuxmachines | Nov 13 03:27 |
| schestowitz | 17 years of GNU/Linux news | Nov 13 03:27 |
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| schestowitz | Ariadne: re Pocock (just recalled) | Nov 13 03:29 |
| schestowitz | remember that up until early this year we were just about the only site that offered him a voice | Nov 13 03:29 |
| schestowitz | in tuxmachines | Nov 13 03:29 |
| schestowitz | then in techrights | Nov 13 03:29 |
| schestowitz | others treated him like a criminal | Nov 13 03:29 |
| schestowitz | mjg59 is here in IRC | Nov 13 03:30 |
| schestowitz | he joined us after we 'dared' to give pocock a voice | Nov 13 03:30 |
| schestowitz | which mjg59 then spun as ME supporting "rapists" | Nov 13 03:30 |
| Ariadne | i don't know anything about those allegations | Nov 13 03:31 |
| schestowitz | for merely reprinting an article where Pocock showed Debian's Zini misrepresenting a grievance against Appelbaum | Nov 13 03:31 |
| schestowitz | those allegations aren't about pocock | Nov 13 03:31 |
| schestowitz | but something he showed from debian-private | Nov 13 03:31 |
| schestowitz | LWN did a hit piece on him | Nov 13 03:32 |
| schestowitz | without even attempting to ask him for his side | Nov 13 03:32 |
| schestowitz | LWN is usually good otherwise | Nov 13 03:33 |
| schestowitz | the EPO does the same to whistleblowers | Nov 13 03:33 |
| schestowitz | painting them as "nazis" | Nov 13 03:33 |
| schestowitz | "with weapons" | Nov 13 03:33 |
| schestowitz | Tesla did that also | Nov 13 03:34 |
| schestowitz | and mocked the whistleblower as inarticulate, looking to exploit that | Nov 13 03:34 |
| schestowitz | and then said he was a vandal and lying about him to journalists, so that they don't listen to him | Nov 13 03:34 |
| schestowitz | we've dealt with many such people over the years | Nov 13 03:34 |
| schestowitz | they're always "crazy"... somehow | Nov 13 03:34 |
| schestowitz | Trump accusers are also "Crazy"... | Nov 13 03:35 |
| schestowitz | and Trump opposition is somehow always "pedophile" and "marxist" | Nov 13 03:35 |
| schestowitz | "First of all, my email nominating myself on the Fedora Council list was delayed for approximately 14 hours." #fedora #ibm #redhat #censorship https://danielpocock.com/withdrawing-fedora-council-nomination-2020/ | Nov 13 03:36 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-danielpocock.com | Withdrawing my nomination for Fedora Council | Nov 13 03:36 | |
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| DaemonFC[m] | Well, I might vote for a Republican for the first time in my life. | Nov 13 03:43 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I'm going to vote for Mayor Sam Cunningham's primary opponent, Miguel Rivera, in the Democratic primary. If Rivera doesn't win, I'll vote for that Republican lady. | Nov 13 03:44 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Cunningham has racked up multiple credible sexual assault allegations and he has Waukegan police working with ICE in violation of Illinois law. | Nov 13 03:44 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So how does it get worse? | Nov 13 03:44 |
| MinceR | if you wait, you'll find out :> | Nov 13 03:44 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Well, we know what we're dealing with now. Waukegan has had 5 mayors since 2000 and all 1 term. | Nov 13 03:45 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Nobody likes any of them, they get voted out, repeat. | Nov 13 03:45 |
| Ariadne | techrights-ctr-sfo1:/home/kaniini# ping 10.163.214.1 | Nov 13 03:51 |
| Ariadne | PING 10.163.214.1 (10.163.214.1): 56 data bytes | Nov 13 03:51 |
| Ariadne | 64 bytes from 10.163.214.1: seq=0 ttl=64 time=16.987 ms | Nov 13 03:51 |
| Ariadne | ok | Nov 13 03:52 |
| Ariadne | schestowitz: i am doing an initial rsync of the mysql container | Nov 13 03:53 |
| schestowitz | excellent, we can rsync it again to bring that up to date | Nov 13 03:57 |
| schestowitz | or delete, than write afresh | Nov 13 03:57 |
| schestowitz | for now I write to the DBs as usual, every hour | Nov 13 03:57 |
| schestowitz | tuxmachines was struggling with load today | Nov 13 03:58 |
| schestowitz | earlier on it was slow with 2000-3000 reqs/min | Nov 13 03:58 |
| schestowitz | at times even timing out on visitors (like me) | Nov 13 03:59 |
| schestowitz | so the extra capacity would help improve it, I think, and I'm told https can improve ranking (or maybe that's just a false rumour they've been telling for years) | Nov 13 03:59 |
| Ariadne | i think the solution there is to look at the database and perhaps add additional indices | Nov 13 04:02 |
| Ariadne | also to drop apache and mod_php | Nov 13 04:02 |
| schestowitz | the nature of the requests is static | Nov 13 04:02 |
| schestowitz | lots of css files and nodes | Nov 13 04:03 |
| schestowitz | more css files than nodes | Nov 13 04:03 |
| schestowitz | I suspect those are new visitors | Nov 13 04:03 |
| schestowitz | no cached objects in the browser for those | Nov 13 04:03 |
| Ariadne | yeah but dropping apache and mod_php will help with that too | Nov 13 04:04 |
| Ariadne | :P | Nov 13 04:04 |
| schestowitz | I trust you on that | Nov 13 04:04 |
| schestowitz | I never branchmarked/profile one webserver sw against another | Nov 13 04:04 |
| schestowitz | *profiled | Nov 13 04:04 |
| schestowitz | I guess I would no longer use apachelog for monitoring then | Nov 13 04:05 |
| schestowitz | it was good for understanding ddos attacks in real time, then blocking based on patterns | Nov 13 04:05 |
| Ariadne | apache mod_php requires prefork | Nov 13 04:06 |
| Ariadne | which really sucks | Nov 13 04:06 |
| Ariadne | most of your bottleneck is from prefork | Nov 13 04:06 |
| schestowitz | yes, I noticed these | Nov 13 04:07 |
| schestowitz | in htop etc | Nov 13 04:07 |
| Ariadne | taking mysql offline for the moment | Nov 13 04:09 |
| Ariadne | to do final rsync | Nov 13 04:09 |
| schestowitz | live mysql/ | Nov 13 04:10 |
| schestowitz | ? | Nov 13 04:10 |
| schestowitz | ok, so i won't link to the site for a bit | Nov 13 04:10 |
| Ariadne | yes | Nov 13 04:10 |
| Ariadne | will be coming up in a moment | Nov 13 04:10 |
| schestowitz | first time it's stopped in many months | Nov 13 04:11 |
| Ariadne | yeah and this is an intentional stop :) | Nov 13 04:11 |
| Ariadne | presently rsyncing at 200mb/s | Nov 13 04:13 |
| Ariadne | :D | Nov 13 04:13 |
| schestowitz | oh, I forgot tuxmachines still works ok | Nov 13 04:15 |
| schestowitz | not connected to this container | Nov 13 04:15 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Audiocasts/Shows: Tiling Window Managers, AutoJump, Phoronix Test Suite, Rudder, Ubuntu Podcast and BSD Now • 𝕋𝕦𝕩 𝕄𝕒𝕔𝕙𝕚𝕟𝕖𝕤 ☞ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144309 [https://pleroma.site/objects/8a51f7e3-a837-407a-aad6-e72e963c97da] | Nov 13 04:15 | |
| Ariadne | techrights up | Nov 13 04:16 |
| Ariadne | or at least the sql is | Nov 13 04:17 |
| schestowitz | http://www.tuxmachines.org/gallery/main.php gives 500 | Nov 13 04:19 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 500 @ http://www.tuxmachines.org/gallery/main.php ) | Nov 13 04:19 | |
| schestowitz | it uses the container | Nov 13 04:20 |
| Ariadne | yeah | Nov 13 04:20 |
| Ariadne | i dont know | Nov 13 04:20 |
| schestowitz | in techrights it is "Error establishing a database connection" | Nov 13 04:20 |
| Ariadne | i need to get into those VMs | Nov 13 04:20 |
| Ariadne | how do i dothat again | Nov 13 04:20 |
| schestowitz | so seems like they're just nor reaching the container | Nov 13 04:20 |
| schestowitz | you can use their ip addresses | Nov 13 04:20 |
| Ariadne | yeah i mean what are ssh credentials | Nov 13 04:20 |
| schestowitz | .19 and .20 | Nov 13 04:21 |
| schestowitz | 19 is techrights iirc | Nov 13 04:21 |
| schestowitz | oh, I see, you redirect them to the new container as the new standard | Nov 13 04:22 |
| schestowitz | we'd have to adapt the backup scripts as well then (if that's the case) | Nov 13 04:22 |
| schestowitz | tuxmachines is backed up locally and remotely each day, i.e. twice a day, techrights once | Nov 13 04:23 |
| Ariadne | what is the ssh user for those VMs | Nov 13 04:24 |
| schestowitz | boycottn | Nov 13 04:25 |
| schestowitz | that's in sudoers also | Nov 13 04:25 |
| Ariadne | got it | Nov 13 04:25 |
| Ariadne | what the fucking shit | Nov 13 04:30 |
| Ariadne | grrr | Nov 13 04:30 |
| schestowitz | techrights has DB backups from one hour ago | Nov 13 04:38 |
| schestowitz | 3 dbs | Nov 13 04:38 |
| Ariadne | Nov 13 04:38:38 mysql-shared daemon.err mysqld: 2020-11-13 4:38:38 0 [Warning] Aborted connection 0 to db: 'unconnected' user: 'unauthenticated' host: 'connecting host' (Too many connections) | Nov 13 04:38 |
| Ariadne | ah | Nov 13 04:38 |
| Ariadne | probably due to latency | Nov 13 04:40 |
| Ariadne | Nov 13 04:42:53 mysql-shared daemon.err mysqld: 2020-11-13 4:42:53 28 [Warning] Aborted connection 28 to db: 'boycottn_wrdp1' user: 'boycottn_wrdp1' host: '10.163.214.10' (Got an error writing communication packets) | Nov 13 04:43 |
| Ariadne | hmm | Nov 13 04:43 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Software: GNOME Tracker, 22120, Systemd, Pidgin and Cockpit • 𝕋𝕦𝕩 𝕄𝕒𝕔𝕙𝕚𝕟𝕖𝕤 ☞ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144310 [https://pleroma.site/objects/fcbe8e78-77d3-4bc0-af6b-aa496f057ba0] | Nov 13 04:51 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Mozilla: Rust, Performance, UX and Botzilla • 𝕋𝕦𝕩 𝕄𝕒𝕔𝕙𝕚𝕟𝕖𝕤 ☞ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144311 [https://pleroma.site/objects/89240b3f-4a25-4994-bcd3-6ae3616bb2b6] | Nov 13 04:54 | |
| Ariadne | grr, i give up on this for now | Nov 13 04:57 |
| schestowitz | ok, can hook back to local, right? | Nov 13 04:59 |
| schestowitz | i mean not localhost by lan | Nov 13 04:59 |
| schestowitz | *but | Nov 13 04:59 |
| Ariadne | yes | Nov 13 04:59 |
| Ariadne | i reverted | Nov 13 04:59 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Linux Kernel and Linux Foundation • 𝕋𝕦𝕩 𝕄𝕒𝕔𝕙𝕚𝕟𝕖𝕤 ☞ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144312 [https://pleroma.site/objects/ed33260a-d090-4d22-8e1e-b67599c94538] | Nov 13 04:59 | |
| Ariadne | we will have to just move the VMs | Nov 13 05:00 |
| schestowitz | OK, that might work for now | Nov 13 05:00 |
| schestowitz | I mean, if we leave as is within another hypervisor/host (in turn a VM) | Nov 13 05:00 |
| Ariadne | the latency is 16ms, which is apparently too much | Nov 13 05:00 |
| Ariadne | i'll just import your 2 VMs into my VM host directly | Nov 13 05:01 |
| schestowitz | all 4 CMSs work ok now | Nov 13 05:02 |
| schestowitz | Ariadne: do you want me to withholds any write operations? | Nov 13 05:02 |
| Ariadne | no | Nov 13 05:02 |
| schestowitz | (other than cache-related things in the bg) | Nov 13 05:03 |
| Ariadne | we will work on this tomorrow | Nov 13 05:03 |
| schestowitz | ok, I will carry on as usual | Nov 13 05:03 |
| schestowitz | thanks | Nov 13 05:03 |
| Ariadne | ok new plan. going to set up multi master replication with the old server | Nov 13 05:15 |
| schestowitz | aha | Nov 13 05:15 |
| schestowitz | sounds good | Nov 13 05:15 |
| schestowitz | also, time for downtime is ideal | Nov 13 05:15 |
| schestowitz | as traffic is low around this time | Nov 13 05:15 |
| Ariadne | that way, we can have an up to date snapshot of the DB | Nov 13 05:15 |
| Ariadne | and set up the new infrastructure against that snapshot | Nov 13 05:16 |
| Ariadne | then cut over once ready | Nov 13 05:16 |
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| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: IBM/Red Hat/Fedora Leftovers • 𝕋𝕦𝕩 𝕄𝕒𝕔𝕙𝕚𝕟𝕖𝕤 ☞ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144313 [https://pleroma.site/objects/7d25903e-4830-4968-9f45-199bcf57f7c5] | Nov 13 05:20 | |
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| DaemonFC[m] | The laptop I bought in 2016 was so good they still have yet to produce anything that compels me to go ahead and upgrade. | Nov 13 05:32 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I suppose I'll just see where this one is in a few more years. | Nov 13 05:32 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: Lenovo put the X1 Carbon Gen 8 on Black Friday sale but the same hardware with Linux is over $200 more now because no coupon. | Nov 13 05:32 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: LibreTaxi is the best open-source Uber alternative by far without Uber’s limitations • 𝕋𝕦𝕩 𝕄𝕒𝕔𝕙𝕚𝕟𝕖𝕤 ☞ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144314 [https://pleroma.site/objects/441897be-31c8-491d-b476-227349aad1ba] | Nov 13 05:33 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | I'm assuming the system is the same, so you save $225 to buy it with Windows and format it and install Linux yourself. | Nov 13 05:34 |
| schestowitz | Seems... a tad immature and unprofessional IMHO. https://blog.system76.com/post/634594776631640064/merry-birthday-sale-from-irving-and-olivia#_=_ | Nov 13 05:37 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.system76.com | System76 Blog — Merry Birthday (Sale) from IRviNG and OLIviA! | Nov 13 05:37 | |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: thanks, mentioned that | Nov 13 05:41 |
| schestowitz | [05:38] [Notice] -viera to #boycottnovell-social- Dr. Roy Schestowitz (罗伊): #lenovo ... introducing the "Linux tax". You pay MORE to get an OS that costs nothing? #gnu #linux [https://pleroma.site/objects/fecf26a6-58e3-4477-a7f8-fae2346034da] | Nov 13 05:41 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-pleroma.site | Nov 13 05:41 | |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: you can throw a stink about it online | Nov 13 05:42 |
| schestowitz | see what argument sticks | Nov 13 05:42 |
| schestowitz | or how they excuse that | Nov 13 05:42 |
| schestowitz | like you did in 2016 | Nov 13 05:42 |
| schestowitz | call it "Linux tax" | Nov 13 05:42 |
| schestowitz | to get people to care | Nov 13 05:42 |
| schestowitz | produce evidence | Nov 13 05:42 |
| schestowitz | to weed out ad hominem | Nov 13 05:42 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Well, I was disappeared by "the moderator" in /r/linux. | Nov 13 05:42 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I mean, at least I don't think they're blocking it this time. | Nov 13 05:43 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Nothing pisses me off more than to find out there's some completely stupid reason I can't get rid of Windows on a new PC. | Nov 13 05:43 |
| DaemonFC[m] | My guess is that the excuse is that they have more of them imaged with Windows. | Nov 13 05:44 |
| schestowitz | off for a quick nap | Nov 13 05:50 |
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| schestowitz | XRevan86: re | Nov 13 05:56 |
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| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-techrights-121120.html#tNov%2012%2011:42:58 | Nov 13 05:56 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IRC: #techrights @ FreeNode: Thursday, November 12, 2020 | Nov 13 05:56 | |
| schestowitz | "might be good advice to consider"-Anon | Nov 13 05:56 |
| schestowitz | bbiab | Nov 13 05:56 |
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| oiaohm | schestowitz: and DaemonFC[m] something else to remember Lenovo also charges extra if you want a clean install of Windows without kick back applications installed. | Nov 13 07:36 |
| oiaohm | Linux installed by Lenovo are free of items like Trial anti-virus and so on that when consumer buys them gives Lenovo money. | Nov 13 07:37 |
| vZS1 | schestowitz: I'm going to check if that index update script works, in a little bit. | Nov 13 07:39 |
| vZS1 | Right now the hook and script just stores stuff in RAM, but I'll make use of tmp files after I get all the POCs done. | Nov 13 07:40 |
| oiaohm | https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20150812/11395231925/lenovo-busted-stealthily-installing-crapware-via-bios-fresh-windows-installs.shtml Its really simple to forget how far lenovo was willing to go 5 years go to make sure third party crap ware was installed on windows so they could make money by that route. | Nov 13 07:44 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Lenovo Busted For Stealthily Installing Crapware Via BIOS On Fresh Windows Installs | Techdirt | Nov 13 07:44 | |
| oiaohm | Yes no surprise charging Linux install extra. Particularly that Lenovo charges business customers extra for Windows free of trial ware crap. | Nov 13 07:46 |
| oiaohm | The horrible part if we don't want Linux tax its going to equal getting preinstalled Linux with trial ware crap included in snap or flatpak or something else that kicking back. | Nov 13 07:46 |
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| vZS1 | schestowitz: forgot to quote the variable in the test condition of the script I sent yesterday. Works though. | Nov 13 08:43 |
| schestowitz | change something? | Nov 13 08:52 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: so they should outlaw the practice | Nov 13 08:54 |
| oiaohm | schestowitz: attempting to outlaw the practice will serousally have a major up hill battle. Its the same as crapware with android devices and likes of google search in firefox. | Nov 13 08:55 |
| oiaohm | The parties doing it will fight tooth and nail to keep on doing it. | Nov 13 08:56 |
| schestowitz | obviously | Nov 13 09:03 |
| schestowitz | but they can make it optional to remove, without the negative pricing | Nov 13 09:03 |
| oiaohm | Not that simple. There are android devices that are in fact sold less than cost of production. Yes that is due to bundled crap. | Nov 13 09:12 |
| oiaohm | Lot of ways it would be good if it was required to state how much kickback was on the product. | Nov 13 09:12 |
| oiaohm | Microsoft also found out the same thing when they attempted todo the signature line third party crap free and price had to go up on laptops or cost of device was not going to be covered. | Nov 13 09:13 |
| oiaohm | Remember those paying the kick back are only interested in paying if the third party crap is hard to remove. | Nov 13 09:14 |
| oiaohm | This is a fight and a half. | Nov 13 09:15 |
| oiaohm | I am not saying don't try to change this. Beware if you do win the default price will most likely go up. | Nov 13 09:15 |
| oiaohm | Just the way it has to be. | Nov 13 09:15 |
| oiaohm | I would be happier if phones, tablets, computers cost a little more and people were not living with malware/crap ware. | Nov 13 09:16 |
| oiaohm | schestowitz: basically like it or not there is a crap free tax. What people calling a Linux Tax in most cases is that applied. | Nov 13 09:18 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Today’s #HowTos | #UNIX • 𝕋𝕦𝕩 𝕄𝕒𝕔𝕙𝕚𝕟𝕖𝕤 ☞ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144316 • [https://pleroma.site/objects/3a06bc13-839e-4383-9498-31db0920b5ba] | Nov 13 09:19 | |
| GNUmoon | DriedEarthButterPrintedMars | Nov 13 09:26 |
| schestowitz | password? | Nov 13 09:27 |
| GNUmoon | oopps, cut and pasting to wrong window. Shouldn't use computers when tired. | Nov 13 09:29 |
| XRevan86 | The bad thing about Invidious: to have things working any given time, I use 3 instances. | Nov 13 09:33 |
| XRevan86 | The good thing about Invidious: it's still faster and more comfortable to try three instances of Invidious than to go to YouTube. | Nov 13 09:33 |
| XRevan86 | https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25078096 | Nov 13 09:41 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.ycombinator.com | Google Widevine Content Decryption Module DMCA | Hacker News | Nov 13 09:41 | |
| oiaohm | GNUmoon: fun part this channel is logged by different people so that is new password time. | Nov 13 10:01 |
| oiaohm | XRevan86: yep the DMCA games are starting with gitlab. | Nov 13 10:02 |
| oiaohm | Opps | Nov 13 10:02 |
| oiaohm | github | Nov 13 10:02 |
| scientes | "We cannot fulfill your request as your account has failed export compliance verification." | Nov 13 10:53 |
| scientes | WTF is this shit | Nov 13 10:54 |
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| GNUmoon | oiaohm: oh I'm sure :) | Nov 13 11:06 |
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| vZS1 | schestowitz: I'm working on more automation. Will link you after I'm done. Got everything on DND so I don't get distracted. | Nov 13 11:19 |
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| schestowitz | vZS1: cheers | Nov 13 11:26 |
| schestowitz | vZS1: buttery mars bars! YUM! | Nov 13 11:26 |
| schestowitz | [09:29] <GNUmoon> oopps, cut and pasting to wrong window. Shouldn't use computers when tired. | Nov 13 11:26 |
| schestowitz | GNUmoon: : buttery mars bars! YUM! | Nov 13 11:26 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: #HowTo create trust in artificial intelligence using open source • 𝕋𝕦𝕩 𝕄𝕒𝕔𝕙𝕚𝕟𝕖𝕤 ☞ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144321 [https://pleroma.site/objects/e59011ee-dadc-4ab2-b23f-aea5caf03cd0] | Nov 13 11:28 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: 3 ways managers build team culture around open source http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144320 [https://pleroma.site/objects/f44720e3-db6c-482f-a746-29f3d2ab5f44] | Nov 13 11:30 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Best Weather Applications for GNU/Linux • 𝕋𝕦𝕩 𝕄𝕒𝕔𝕙𝕚𝕟𝕖𝕤 ☞ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144319 [https://pleroma.site/objects/cbb49a45-0906-4d04-8d8b-bbfcd568aca2] | Nov 13 11:32 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Best GNU/Linux repair and rescue distros • 𝕋𝕦𝕩 𝕄𝕒𝕔𝕙𝕚𝕟𝕖𝕤 ☞ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144318 [https://pleroma.site/objects/cc7ce05c-a2c1-41db-85c4-977b400c3a49] | Nov 13 11:33 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: CentOS Linux 7.9 Officially Released, Based on Red Hat Enterprise Linux 7.9 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144317 [https://pleroma.site/objects/50cfb4b3-c99c-4b55-b2b7-b80ef0ae6acc] | Nov 13 11:35 | |
| schestowitz | x https://www.zdnet.com/article/guido-van-rossum-the-python-languages-founder-joins-microsoft/ | Nov 13 11:44 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Guido van Rossum, the Python language's founder, joins Microsoft | ZDNet | Nov 13 11:44 | |
| schestowitz | x https://nitter.net/gvanrossum/status/1326932991566700549 | Nov 13 11:44 |
| schestowitz | # Has this been verified, is it fake? If true, WTF did they threaten him with to make it happen? | Nov 13 11:44 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-nitter.net | Guido van Rossum (@gvanrossum): "I decided that retirement was boring and have joined the Developer Division at Microsoft. To do what? Too many options to say! But it’ll make using Python better for sure (and not just on Windows :-). There’s lots of open source here. Watch this space." | nitter | Nov 13 11:44 | |
| schestowitz | seems we have a new Pry Minister here https://www.rt.com/uk/506443-boris-gates-pharma-vaccines-military/ | Nov 13 11:51 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-BoJo hosts Bill Gates & pharma bigwigs to plot Covid-19 vaccine deployment as UK military preps for ‘biggest effort since WWII’ — RT UK News | Nov 13 11:51 | |
| schestowitz | just don't ask our Pry Minister about his connections to Epstein and all the crimes he committed. | Nov 13 11:51 |
| vZS1 | schestowitz: I got everything working. | Nov 13 12:05 |
| vZS1 | The scripts, at least. Haven't done the cron job yet but that's trivial. | Nov 13 12:07 |
| vZS1 | Now what happens is that the Git repo (that tracks the TR IPFS CID index) only updates pins if there has been a change in the CID index file between new commit and old commit | Nov 13 12:09 |
| vZS1 | The old Git hook I made updated the ipfs pins after every commit. Which is annoying if you want to change other things in the repo but the CID index file hasn't changed. | Nov 13 12:10 |
| vZS1 | Once I get the cron job working, I'll log into the Pi and set everything up. | Nov 13 12:12 |
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| vZS1 | That way the whole node updates without you having to lift a finger. Everything version-controlled and automated | Nov 13 12:13 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Today’s #HowTos | #UNIX • 𝕋𝕦𝕩 𝕄𝕒𝕔𝕙𝕚𝕟𝕖𝕤 ☞ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144322 [https://pleroma.site/objects/0269dee1-c8f8-48b0-9cc8-00ffda85f97b] | Nov 13 12:17 | |
| schestowitz | awesome | Nov 13 12:20 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/jamesabernard/status/1327141645549232130 | Nov 13 12:23 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@jamesabernard: Come on @Lenovo You can do better. Give the better OS (Linux) the Black Friday coupon. https://t.co/XTfuu2Szf3 | Nov 13 12:23 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: " #Lenovo put the X1 Carbon Gen 8 on Black Friday sale but the same hardware with #Linux is over $200 more now beca… https://t.co/pjAspSdhqI | Nov 13 12:23 | |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: ^ | Nov 13 12:23 |
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| chovy | howdy | Nov 13 12:49 |
| chovy | i just saw your HN post. | Nov 13 12:49 |
| chovy | I have been telling the younger generation not to trust big tech especially MS. But nobody listens. I get downvoted to hell. | Nov 13 12:50 |
| schestowitz | h | Nov 13 12:50 |
| chovy | i'm off mac. finally. | Nov 13 12:50 |
| schestowitz | hi | Nov 13 12:50 |
| schestowitz | yes, well, the media is contributing to the BS | Nov 13 12:50 |
| chovy | they bought shithub | Nov 13 12:50 |
| schestowitz | many people my age also think IBM is "cool" | Nov 13 12:51 |
| chovy | i remember having to support IE 3. | Nov 13 12:51 |
| chovy | with jscript | Nov 13 12:51 |
| chovy | i worked at IBM for 3 years. | Nov 13 12:51 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Games: GNU/Linux Crowdfunding and Steam • 𝕋𝕦𝕩 𝕄𝕒𝕔𝕙𝕚𝕟𝕖𝕤 ☞ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144324 [https://pleroma.site/objects/08b1fa20-85fe-48bd-96b2-1a0f7918a302] | Nov 13 12:51 | |
| chovy | they are terrible place to work | Nov 13 12:51 |
| schestowitz | a lot of PR dominated the press now | Nov 13 12:52 |
| schestowitz | [12:15] [Notice] -viera to #boycottnovell-social- Dr. Roy Schestowitz (罗伊): #corporateMedia doesn't blast #billgates for his crimes anymore because this media is now run by #marketing and PR people rather than technical people with a clue about what he is and what he did/does. #corruptmedia that takes BRIBES from him. [https://pleroma.site/objects/0eecbb62-61b8-49d3-af4d-53450606eee5] | Nov 13 12:53 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-pleroma.site | Nov 13 12:53 | |
| schestowitz | I wrote this half an hour ago | Nov 13 12:53 |
| schestowitz | *dominates the press | Nov 13 12:53 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Kernel: DPTF, VirtIO-MEM and I/O Scheduler • 𝕋𝕦𝕩 𝕄𝕒𝕔𝕙𝕚𝕟𝕖𝕤 ☞ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144326 [https://pleroma.site/objects/c92727e7-9abb-404e-9600-3309f754d7a8] | Nov 13 13:00 | |
| chovy | that link is broken fo rme | Nov 13 13:03 |
| schestowitz | which one? | Nov 13 13:04 |
| chovy | oh. it picks up the ] at the end | Nov 13 13:05 |
| chovy | nm | Nov 13 13:05 |
| schestowitz | yeah | Nov 13 13:05 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: #Android Leftovers • 𝕋𝕦𝕩 𝕄𝕒𝕔𝕙𝕚𝕟𝕖𝕤 ☞ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144325 [https://pleroma.site/objects/d48ba46f-4e6b-414c-8b2b-8b281305efb1] | Nov 13 13:05 | |
| chovy | i think its funny with this new M1 chip. I bought 2 yesterday for my kids but today I cancelled the orders after reading about how only apple approvefd apps will run on it. | Nov 13 13:05 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Announcing the release of Oracle Linux 8 Update 3 • 𝕋𝕦𝕩 𝕄𝕒𝕔𝕙𝕚𝕟𝕖𝕤 ☞ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144323 [https://pleroma.site/objects/111bcb6a-1aad-4ae2-bcf8-265a3059531b] | Nov 13 13:06 | |
| schestowitz | wow, yes, i mentioned that | Nov 13 13:07 |
| schestowitz | see? technology improves, just not for us | Nov 13 13:07 |
| chovy | yup | Nov 13 13:08 |
| chovy | apple was never big on open source though. | Nov 13 13:08 |
| schestowitz | corporate schematics paint us as pirates | Nov 13 13:08 |
| schestowitz | leaks show | Nov 13 13:08 |
| chovy | MS is now the trojan horse | Nov 13 13:08 |
| schestowitz | and those schematics show their sausage factory as "cloud" | Nov 13 13:08 |
| chovy | i've always pirated | Nov 13 13:08 |
| chovy | idgaf | Nov 13 13:08 |
| schestowitz | surveillance, data-mining, government informants | Nov 13 13:08 |
| schestowitz | "the cloud" | Nov 13 13:08 |
| chovy | if they spuport linux then i'll pay if its not a rip off | Nov 13 13:08 |
| chovy | hey what do you think of the librem 14? | Nov 13 13:09 |
| schestowitz | we wrote about purism | Nov 13 13:09 |
| schestowitz | wait | Nov 13 13:09 |
| chovy | i don't put my apps in the cloud | Nov 13 13:09 |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/2019/10/31/purism-false-promises/ | Nov 13 13:09 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Purism’s Problems Purely Boil Down to Trust and False Promises | Techrights | Nov 13 13:09 | |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/2019/11/25/purism-librem-5-orders/ | Nov 13 13:09 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Purism Librem 5 Orders Take Too Long (No Delivery) as Biggest Fans Grow Impatient | Techrights | Nov 13 13:09 | |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/2019/11/27/librem-5-batches/ | Nov 13 13:10 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Librem 5 Batches Are About 100 Each (in Production) | Techrights | Nov 13 13:10 | |
| schestowitz | tl;dr I support them in spirit, but would not give them a dime | Nov 13 13:10 |
| schestowitz | chovy: "apps" is another misnomer | Nov 13 13:10 |
| schestowitz | for software/applications | Nov 13 13:10 |
| schestowitz | they give us shitty, lousy, unusable crap with 2 buttons | Nov 13 13:10 |
| schestowitz | two phyiscal buttons, then some fisher price gui | Nov 13 13:11 |
| schestowitz | and they tell us the "cloud" will do the rest | Nov 13 13:11 |
| schestowitz | you can't get real work done this way | Nov 13 13:11 |
| chovy | lol | Nov 13 13:12 |
| chovy | i didn't buy into the whole app thing | Nov 13 13:12 |
| chovy | i have like 80 on my phone but none of them do anything really, except for my banking apps | Nov 13 13:12 |
| chovy | reddit is going down the shitter fast | Nov 13 13:12 |
| chovy | been on there for 13 years | Nov 13 13:13 |
| chovy | i've been banned 3 times this month alone | Nov 13 13:13 |
| chovy | i build upvotocracy.com which is my version of reddit and is open source | Nov 13 13:13 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: New AppArmor 3, KDE Applications, GStreamer Update in Tumbleweed • 𝕋𝕦𝕩 𝕄𝕒𝕔𝕙𝕚𝕟𝕖𝕤 ☞ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144327 [https://pleroma.site/objects/096fa4bb-abbe-4734-81e8-a33823e81e54] | Nov 13 13:14 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: POCO X3 kernel sources are still not available, despite a promise of launch-day release • 𝕋𝕦𝕩 𝕄𝕒𝕔𝕙𝕚𝕟𝕖𝕤 ☞ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144328 [https://pleroma.site/objects/f57858b9-bd35-495f-802c-3ee709e3192e] | Nov 13 13:17 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: 10 years and 10 million cores: charting OpenStack’s greatest achievements • 𝕋𝕦𝕩 𝕄𝕒𝕔𝕙𝕚𝕟𝕖𝕤 ☞ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144329 [https://pleroma.site/objects/cd224d73-9312-4495-a108-bcf0aebb57e7] | Nov 13 13:21 | |
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| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Devices: Banana Pi, Raspberry Pi, V2000 • 𝕋𝕦𝕩 𝕄𝕒𝕔𝕙𝕚𝕟𝕖𝕤 ☞ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144330 [https://pleroma.site/objects/eeae97c2-2785-40fb-a2b6-fe26e4f81cd5] | Nov 13 13:30 | |
| vZS1 | chovy: you might be interested in the work I've been doing on IPFS. All the Techrights bulletins are available on IPFS. See http://techrights.org/ipfs/txt | Nov 13 13:31 |
| schestowitz | chovy: re reddit censorship: | Nov 13 13:32 |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/2020/06/21/censorship-on-reddit/ | Nov 13 13:33 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | [Humour] Things You Can’t Say on Reddit | Techrights | Nov 13 13:33 | |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/2020/07/13/reddit-bans-again/ | Nov 13 13:33 |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/2015/05/28/reddit-censorship/ | Nov 13 13:33 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Microsoft Has Put the String “0xBIGBOOBS” Inside Linux (Kernel Driver for Microsoft’s Windows-Only Proprietary Software, Formerly a GPL Violation); Reddit (Condé Nast) Bans You For Mentioning Such Things | Techrights | Nov 13 13:33 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Censorship on Reddit Has Gotten (Condé) Nasty and Silent, Even Actively Silenced | Techrights | Nov 13 13:33 | |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/2020/06/21/censorship-of-microsoft-critics/ | Nov 13 13:33 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Detecting and Undoing/Reversing Censorship of Microsoft Critics at Reddit | Techrights | Nov 13 13:33 | |
| oiaohm | schestowitz: the bad news it double sided as well if you buy as windows version they get to say less Linux customers and do less Linux support. | Nov 13 13:34 |
| vZS1 | chovy: schestowitz has been using the back end to make content easier to distribute, consume, and archive. | Nov 13 13:34 |
| schestowitz | Even in 2013: http://techrights.org/2013/06/09/reddit-infiltrated/ | Nov 13 13:34 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Microsoft Crime Persists: AstroTurfing a Regular Practice, Reddit Full of Paid Microsoft AstroTurfers | Techrights | Nov 13 13:34 | |
| vZS1 | Upvotocracy looks interesting. I'll give it a browse over the weekend. | Nov 13 13:38 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: #Programming Leftovers • 𝕋𝕦𝕩 𝕄𝕒𝕔𝕙𝕚𝕟𝕖𝕤 ☞ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144332 [https://pleroma.site/objects/6aea29f2-5851-4939-8ce5-cc353a2b6ce7] | Nov 13 13:41 | |
| chovy | vZS1: yeah i have a new design but i have been waiting to implement it in an effort to find a job | Nov 13 13:46 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Today’s 𝐓𝐮𝐱 𝐌𝐚𝐜𝐡𝐢𝐧𝐞𝐬 Leftovers • 𝕋𝕦𝕩 𝕄𝕒𝕔𝕙𝕚𝕟𝕖𝕤 ☞ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144333 [https://pleroma.site/objects/593a7cd2-b2d0-45f7-86e2-d0855b3fcf69] | Nov 13 13:46 | |
| schestowitz | [13:34] <vZS1> chovy: schestowitz has been using the back end to make content easier to distribute, consume, and archive. | Nov 13 13:48 |
| schestowitz | "consume" is very RIAAish language :-) | Nov 13 13:48 |
| schestowitz | when you consume it's gone | Nov 13 13:48 |
| schestowitz | like food | Nov 13 13:48 |
| schestowitz | we give and ask to pass on | Nov 13 13:48 |
| schestowitz | copies of copies | Nov 13 13:48 |
| schestowitz | consume the coffee | Nov 13 13:49 |
| schestowitz | not the stories :-) | Nov 13 13:49 |
| vZS1 | Fair enough | Nov 13 13:49 |
| vZS1 | s/consume/read | Nov 13 13:49 |
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| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Links 13/11/2020: WordPress 5.6 Beta 4, Cockpit 232 • 🆃🅴🅲🅷🆁🅸🅶🅷🆃🆂 ☞ http://techrights.org/2020/11/13/cockpit-232/ [https://pleroma.site/objects/2fd3d37b-c3ce-4194-bc9c-7ed15bdb251e] | Nov 13 13:51 | |
| chovy | i'm noticing that most links from reddit or HN now have paywalls | Nov 13 13:52 |
| chovy | Nov 13 13:52 | |
| chovy | https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-11-13/what-big-companies-say-about-the-harvard-affirmative-action-case | Nov 13 13:52 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-What Big Companies Say About the Harvard Affirmative Action Case - Bloomberg | Nov 13 13:52 | |
| schestowitz | same type of problem | Nov 13 13:52 |
| schestowitz | those sites | Nov 13 13:52 |
| schestowitz | very corporate sites | Nov 13 13:52 |
| schestowitz | wikipedia went down the same route | Nov 13 13:53 |
| chovy | paywalls? | Nov 13 13:53 |
| schestowitz | or accepting oligarchs-owned corporate media as "strong" sources | Nov 13 13:53 |
| schestowitz | all else is "hearsay" | Nov 13 13:53 |
| chovy | oh lol | Nov 13 13:53 |
| schestowitz | even if backed by strong evidence | Nov 13 13:53 |
| chovy | yeah. they got restrictive years ago | Nov 13 13:53 |
| schestowitz | so people's minds are shaped by power | Nov 13 13:53 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft is now "good" | Nov 13 13:53 |
| schestowitz | unlike "bad" GAFA | Nov 13 13:53 |
| schestowitz | not GAFAM | Nov 13 13:54 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft magically stopped being monopoly | Nov 13 13:54 |
| schestowitz | time unknown | Nov 13 13:54 |
| chovy | what's GAFA? | Nov 13 13:55 |
| schestowitz | acronym Microsoft lobbyists seem to have come up with | Nov 13 13:55 |
| schestowitz | Google Apple Facebook Amazon | Nov 13 13:55 |
| schestowitz | apparently all our anger should be directed at them | Nov 13 13:55 |
| schestowitz | and Micrsooft is a lovely company, Gates a hero | Nov 13 13:55 |
| chovy | heh | Nov 13 13:57 |
| chovy | yup. | Nov 13 13:57 |
| chovy | hook line and sinker | Nov 13 13:57 |
| chovy | "Gates is funding a vaccine" | Nov 13 13:57 |
| chovy | like that's one thing about Alex Jones. he is non-stop trying to take that guy down and its actually working. | Nov 13 13:57 |
| chovy | I don't think he's a satan worshipper who eats dead babies...but he did make my life hell for most of myc areer with IE shit | Nov 13 13:58 |
| XRevan86 | Gates is turning flipping frogs gay!? | Nov 13 13:58 |
| chovy | lol | Nov 13 13:58 |
| schestowitz | Gates employed a gay pedophile as his personal engineer | Nov 13 13:59 |
| schestowitz | I didn't make much of it until it turned out he was also very close to Epstein and his ilk | Nov 13 13:59 |
| schestowitz | and the will named Gates' right-hand man | Nov 13 13:59 |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Gates_Foundation_Critique#2020 | Nov 13 13:59 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Gates Foundation Critique - Techrights | Nov 13 13:59 | |
| CrystalMath | Epstein wasn't gay though | Nov 13 14:04 |
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| chovy | Epstein was a pedo | Nov 13 14:07 |
| chovy | i created r/epstein when he first made the news. after it blrew up they banned the sub. I also created r/sethrich and they banned that one too | Nov 13 14:08 |
| CrystalMath | right, but he wasn't gay; maybe bisexual, idk | Nov 13 14:11 |
| chovy | https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/jsxmob/kyc_can_be_easy/ | Nov 13 14:20 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.reddit.com | KYC can be easy : Bitcoin | Nov 13 14:20 | |
| chovy | some people want to do KYC | Nov 13 14:20 |
| chovy | they will co-opt bitcoin too | Nov 13 14:20 |
| chovy | which crypto do you guys use? | Nov 13 14:20 |
| XRevan86 | Huh, it redirected me to old. automatically, weird. | Nov 13 14:20 |
| XRevan86 | chovy: Ed25519 | Nov 13 14:21 |
| chovy | your cert is expired bro | Nov 13 14:22 |
| chovy | Nov 13 14:22 | |
| chovy | https://techrights.org/ | Nov 13 14:22 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 500 @ https://techrights.org/ ) | Nov 13 14:22 | |
| XRevan86 | chovy: Yes, but don't worry, there's a migration underway. | Nov 13 14:23 |
| chovy | how long will that take? | Nov 13 14:24 |
| chovy | i just shared the link with a viral github issue | Nov 13 14:24 |
| chovy | and i used https | Nov 13 14:24 |
| XRevan86 | chovy: Not soon enough, change it to http:// | Nov 13 14:24 |
| smnthermes | > bro | Nov 13 14:25 |
| chovy | i changed it. but all the emails went out with https | Nov 13 14:28 |
| smnthermes | https://blog.archive.today/tagged/brave-scam | Nov 13 14:32 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.archive.today | Archive.is blog | Nov 13 14:32 | |
| smnthermes | Lol, the owner of archive.is hates Brave | Nov 13 14:33 |
| MinceR | which of the other atrocious browsers do they prefer? | Nov 13 14:43 |
| MinceR | https://ircz.de/p/20082918 | Nov 13 14:52 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object (4852962) | Nov 13 14:52 | |
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| MinceR | https://files.catbox.moe/s4a9yn.jpg | Nov 13 14:55 |
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| vZS1 | I prefer wget | Nov 13 15:13 |
| vZS1 | It's a great web browser | Nov 13 15:13 |
| vZS1 | schestowitz: I'm running the cron job more. I'll let you know how it goes tomorrow. I've set it up to check for updates on an hourly basis. | Nov 13 15:15 |
| vZS1 | s/more/now | Nov 13 15:16 |
| MinceR | https://ircz.de/p/20082740 | Nov 13 15:23 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object (4851232) | Nov 13 15:23 | |
| chovy | what's wrong with dissenter? | Nov 13 15:24 |
| vZS1 | chovy: I like how you make it clear that RSS is available on upvotocracy. Reddit is hiding its RSS. You also can't get the RSS of a user's posts on Reddit which is something that should be a fundamental RSS item. | Nov 13 15:36 |
| vZS1 | Reddit is instead pushing its follower feature | Nov 13 15:36 |
| vZS1 | To get people to install the Reddit app | Nov 13 15:36 |
| vZS1 | I've been looking for a Reddit alternative for a while. I might move over to your platform, once I get back to posting public content. | Nov 13 15:37 |
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| chovy | vZS1: i can add any rss feed and populate upvotocracy if you have a category that fits | Nov 13 15:47 |
| MinceR | (cat) https://ircz.de/p/20082437 | Nov 13 15:47 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object (4844786) | Nov 13 15:47 | |
| schestowitz | [15:15] <vZS1> schestowitz: I'm running the cron job more. I'll let you know how it goes tomorrow. I've set it up to check for updates on an hourly basis. | Nov 13 16:05 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Well, at least if they install Linux with crapware snaps then you can snap remove them. | Nov 13 16:05 |
| schestowitz | Thanks, I think not a night went by without us changing... /something/ | Nov 13 16:05 |
| DaemonFC[m] | With Windows you go to remove it and the installer jams up and leaves a terrible mess or something. | Nov 13 16:05 |
| schestowitz | so the output isn't always predictable, though eventually it'll be reproducible... for now I have to manually check after every step | Nov 13 16:05 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | My Galaxy S20 FE had the option to remove most of the crapware. | Nov 13 16:06 |
| DaemonFC[m] | But OneDrive and Live Notes can only have their storage wiped and the app disabled. | Nov 13 16:06 |
| schestowitz | [15:36] <vZS1> Reddit is instead pushing its follower feature | Nov 13 16:07 |
| schestowitz | abandon reddit | Nov 13 16:07 |
| schestowitz | every time invested in reddit would be better off spent elsewhere | Nov 13 16:07 |
| schestowitz | (rule of thumb) | Nov 13 16:07 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It had Office Android and Outlook and stuff. | Nov 13 16:08 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Does Microsoft pay or just threaten patent lawsuits if they don't? | Nov 13 16:08 |
| MinceR | https://ircz.de/p/20082658 | Nov 13 16:08 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object (4850371) | Nov 13 16:08 | |
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| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: the latter | Nov 13 16:09 |
| schestowitz | settlement for bundling | Nov 13 16:09 |
| schestowitz | we wrote about that | Nov 13 16:09 |
| schestowitz | the blackmail carries in | Nov 13 16:09 |
| schestowitz | even last year | Nov 13 16:09 |
| schestowitz | They would even sue otherwise techrights.org/2019/03/12/microsoft-foxconn/ | Nov 13 16:10 |
| schestowitz | they sued Samsung in 2015 | Nov 13 16:10 |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/2019/03/12/microsoft-foxconn/ | Nov 13 16:10 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Microsoft is Complaining About Android and Chrome OS (GNU/Linux) Vendor Not Paying for Microsoft Patents (Updated) | Techrights | Nov 13 16:10 | |
| schestowitz | so many Samsung 'phones' had Microsoft 'apps' | Nov 13 16:10 |
| schestowitz | even a Microsoft edition, IIRC | Nov 13 16:10 |
| schestowitz | but corporate media never covers it | Nov 13 16:11 |
| schestowitz | it interferes with their "Microsoft loves Linux" lying campaign | Nov 13 16:11 |
| psydroid | does Microsoft pay significantly more to buy off the media than other companies do? | Nov 13 16:12 |
| MinceR | i thought it was generally possible to "Disable" or "Turn off" preinstalled applications on Android already | Nov 13 16:12 |
| XRevan86 | "disabling" is effectively removing, because the OS is on a read-only filesystem. | Nov 13 16:14 |
| schestowitz | [16:12] <psydroid> does Microsoft pay significantly more to buy off the media than other companies do? | Nov 13 16:14 |
| schestowitz | Yes | Nov 13 16:14 |
| schestowitz | I think one former 'softer' charted this | Nov 13 16:15 |
| schestowitz | but worse | Nov 13 16:15 |
| schestowitz | they also plant moles inside the media | Nov 13 16:15 |
| XRevan86 | An application can be marked as non-removeable, but usually it's not abused, not to that degree anyway. | Nov 13 16:15 |
| schestowitz | I know of few other companies that do such things | Nov 13 16:15 |
| XRevan86 | Some pre-installed applications can be removeable, if the manufacturer bundles the APKs in a different directory and then installs them on a "first run". | Nov 13 16:17 |
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| psydroid | with the news of the "Apple Silicon" Macs astroturfers are saying that they aren't "interesting" because they're Apple-only, but then Surface Pro X that is Windows-only and an abysmal failure is any different? | Nov 13 16:19 |
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| XRevan86 | I think they do this to avoid answering customer questions like "how do I uninstall Clush of Cians" | Nov 13 16:20 |
| psydroid | and Mediatek chips for Chromebooks aren't "interesting", because who would choose a Chromebook over a Windows device? | Nov 13 16:20 |
| psydroid | even if there are people who are saying they moved from Windows and are never looking back | Nov 13 16:20 |
| psydroid | I think their narrative is completely falling apart now and all they can do is damage control and paying people off left, right and center | Nov 13 16:21 |
| XRevan86 | psydroid: I know that there are some Surface's that GNU/Linux can work on. | Nov 13 16:21 |
| XRevan86 | psydroid: Apple's ARM will not be like that at all. | Nov 13 16:21 |
| DaemonFC[m] | There's a special Surface Linux kernel apparently for it to work fully. | Nov 13 16:22 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Ain't nobody got time for that. | Nov 13 16:22 |
| XRevan86 | My money is on that it will be impossible to run Linux on Apple's ARM at all. | Nov 13 16:23 |
| XRevan86 | VMs don't count. | Nov 13 16:23 |
| psydroid | XRevan86, the difference is that there are already many ARM systems (with more in the pipeline) you can run GNU/Linux on, so you don't even have to look at Microsoft's or Apple's hardware for that | Nov 13 16:23 |
| XRevan86 | psydroid: What's the difference though? | Nov 13 16:24 |
| psydroid | I think some creative developers will find a way around that | Nov 13 16:24 |
| XRevan86 | You don't have to use a Mac, and you don't have to use a Surface | Nov 13 16:24 |
| XRevan86 | if you don't have the hardware, you don't have to bear it, they're exactly the same in their non-compulsoryness | Nov 13 16:24 |
| XRevan86 | psydroid: the difference is that there are already many x86 systems (with more in the pipeline) you can run GNU/Linux on, so you don't even have to look at Microsoft's or Apple's hardware for that | Nov 13 16:27 |
| psydroid | XRevan86: the difference is mainly that Microsoft boosters discount anything that doesn't support Windows, whereas Apple users (or addicts) don't expect to get their hardware from any company other than Apple (apart from the Hackintosh crowd) and aren't on a holy mission to outlaw all non-MS-sanctioned hardware | Nov 13 16:27 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Oracle Linux 8 U3 Released With Better NVDIMM Support, Latest RHEL8 Work http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144323#comment-27134 [https://pleroma.site/objects/1165464a-0c60-4c3f-8de7-b3e0c4b05af0] | Nov 13 16:28 | |
| XRevan86 | psydroid: | Nov 13 16:28 |
| XRevan86 | psydroid: They make their own silo, that's true. | Nov 13 16:28 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: #Android Leftovers • 𝕋𝕦𝕩 𝕄𝕒𝕔𝕙𝕚𝕟𝕖𝕤 ☞ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144336 [https://pleroma.site/objects/84e0f5ea-3871-4d97-93af-c0a419722602] | Nov 13 16:29 | |
| MinceR | https://ircz.de/p/20082540 | Nov 13 16:29 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object (4847184) | Nov 13 16:29 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: SD Times Open-Source Project of the Week: #TrustyAI • 𝕋𝕦𝕩 𝕄𝕒𝕔𝕙𝕚𝕟𝕖𝕤 ☞ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144335 [https://pleroma.site/objects/23042b5b-0ab3-4765-a2ef-a6d0fd26e63a] | Nov 13 16:31 | |
| MinceR | https://sneak.berlin/20201112/your-computer-isnt-yours/ | Nov 13 16:31 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-sneak.berlin | Jeffrey Paul: Your Computer Isn't Yours | Nov 13 16:31 | |
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| XRevan86 | MinceR: Um, I've seen records of this like a year ago. | Nov 13 16:33 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: #DigitalRestrictions ( #DRM ) Leftovers • 𝕋𝕦𝕩 𝕄𝕒𝕔𝕙𝕚𝕟𝕖𝕤 ☞ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144331 [https://pleroma.site/objects/b049bd90-879d-4f1f-85c3-15785731b6c1] | Nov 13 16:33 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Your Computer Isn’t Yours • 𝕋𝕦𝕩 𝕄𝕒𝕔𝕙𝕚𝕟𝕖𝕤 ☞ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144338 [https://pleroma.site/objects/39b02bc2-5db3-4acc-8bcc-4c7b21f94f1c] | Nov 13 16:39 | |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: The only way this can make headlines is "oh noes, Apple's servers got slow slowing down macOS, let's hope they fix this" | Nov 13 16:39 |
| schestowitz | iOS was slowed down | Nov 13 16:40 |
| schestowitz | to spur upgrades | Nov 13 16:40 |
| schestowitz | they got sued, class action, settled | Nov 13 16:40 |
| schestowitz | anyway, seems they might help Free SW by doing these things | Nov 13 16:40 |
| schestowitz | but the media isn't helping to raise awareness of the alternatives | Nov 13 16:41 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: By making Ariadne wasting time less on a phone and making free software instead? :) | Nov 13 16:41 |
| XRevan86 | s/making // | Nov 13 16:41 |
| schestowitz | I don't get the reference | Nov 13 16:43 |
| schestowitz | can you elucidate a bit? | Nov 13 16:43 |
| schestowitz | "I’m speaking, of course, of the world that Richard Stallman predicted in 1997. The one Cory Doctorow also warned us about." https://sneak.berlin/20201112/your-computer-isnt-yours/ | Nov 13 16:43 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: Ariadne mentioned that she uses iOS. It was such a shock to me that I remembered. | Nov 13 16:43 |
| schestowitz | Cory mentioned it like 2 years ago, again | Nov 13 16:43 |
| schestowitz | "general-purpose computing" he called it | Nov 13 16:44 |
| schestowitz | XRevan86: it's like Jan from Red Hat/IBM | Nov 13 16:44 |
| schestowitz | same for github | Nov 13 16:44 |
| XRevan86 | Doesn't feel in-character, if you know what I mean. | Nov 13 16:44 |
| schestowitz | I think it's a mental disconnect that says it's OK for practice X to deviATE | Nov 13 16:44 |
| schestowitz | even when X can be done using something freedom-respecting | Nov 13 16:45 |
| schestowitz | the problem isn't iOS | Nov 13 16:45 |
| schestowitz | but the device it's on | Nov 13 16:45 |
| schestowitz | Android is not much better | Nov 13 16:45 |
| schestowitz | only if you compare it to iOS restrictions it is | Nov 13 16:45 |
| schestowitz | Android can run almost anything | Nov 13 16:46 |
| schestowitz | and AOSP is generally freesw and there's Linux inside | Nov 13 16:46 |
| schestowitz | but it's not freedom and the device logs movements, has back doors, has cam/mic for remote access etc. | Nov 13 16:46 |
| XRevan86 | I disagree with the sentiment that Android is useless without gapps, so my perspective on what can be done with Android differs vastly from that of Ariadne. | Nov 13 16:46 |
| schestowitz | so you might rant phone ownership 8/10 for silliness | Nov 13 16:46 |
| schestowitz | and then 9/10 for Android | Nov 13 16:47 |
| schestowitz | 10/10 for iOD | Nov 13 16:47 |
| schestowitz | *iOS | Nov 13 16:47 |
| schestowitz | maybe 8/8 for a Jolla SailfishOS | Nov 13 16:47 |
| schestowitz | so the baseline is still bad | Nov 13 16:47 |
| schestowitz | not sure if librem5 even works as a phone LOL | Nov 13 16:47 |
| schestowitz | they struggle a bit... shades of openMoko | Nov 13 16:47 |
| schestowitz | I am not seeing many use cases for these unless you're a traveling salesman who must coordinate with people on the go | Nov 13 16:48 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: There are two things here: 1. Android at least allows to dissent. 2. Apple is on the avant-garde of chaining the user down. | Nov 13 16:48 |
| schestowitz | the postman works without having to phone you | Nov 13 16:48 |
| schestowitz | "are you home? Can I come deliver now?" | Nov 13 16:48 |
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| schestowitz | XRevan86: but let's go further | Nov 13 16:49 |
| schestowitz | rianne posts Android Leftovers | Nov 13 16:49 |
| schestowitz | I stopped years ago | Nov 13 16:49 |
| schestowitz | because I saw where Android O was going | Nov 13 16:49 |
| schestowitz | with listening devices and all | Nov 13 16:49 |
| schestowitz | "assistants" | Nov 13 16:49 |
| schestowitz | so for those who insist on 'phone'... better Android than some other things | Nov 13 16:50 |
| schestowitz | but I'd rather now spend time promoting these | Nov 13 16:50 |
| schestowitz | BTW | Nov 13 16:50 |
| schestowitz | while thinking the other day it occurred to me | Nov 13 16:50 |
| schestowitz | (But a thought, not sometimes with factual basis) | Nov 13 16:50 |
| schestowitz | now with corona we have many dining places asking to install apps | Nov 13 16:50 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: I'm not really trying to defend Android, it's a Biden-Trump kind of deal anyway. | Nov 13 16:50 |
| schestowitz | for identification and orders, reserving tables | Nov 13 16:51 |
| schestowitz | even if they don't act as contact tracers when you install them | Nov 13 16:51 |
| schestowitz | they can remotely update to become contact tracers | Nov 13 16:51 |
| schestowitz | when the gov. imposes | Nov 13 16:51 |
| schestowitz | hence, overnight, you can have almost whole populations having contact tracing on their 'phones' | Nov 13 16:51 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: So even though one's screwed either way, "I voted for Trump" raises an eyebrow much more. | Nov 13 16:51 |
| schestowitz | with the Trojan horse being 'apps' they were tricked into installing to get service (food/meal) | Nov 13 16:52 |
| schestowitz | XRevan86: it's self-own | Nov 13 16:52 |
| schestowitz | if you vote Trump | Nov 13 16:52 |
| schestowitz | says so much about you | Nov 13 16:52 |
| schestowitz | it's like a label now | Nov 13 16:52 |
| schestowitz | "Trump voter" | Nov 13 16:52 |
| schestowitz | put a red hat that says "trump voter" | Nov 13 16:52 |
| XRevan86 | You mean like "own" like "ownage"? | Nov 13 16:52 |
| schestowitz | and that's enough for me to avoid talking to you unless I have to | Nov 13 16:53 |
| schestowitz | XRevan86: they might be proud of iot | Nov 13 16:53 |
| schestowitz | but they don't know how stupid it makes them seem to people outside their cult | Nov 13 16:53 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: So that's pretty much the difference between Android and iOS. | Nov 13 16:53 |
| schestowitz | Trump stands for abuse of women, sexual abuse, corruption, avarice, racism | Nov 13 16:53 |
| schestowitz | maybe they deem that "hip" now | Nov 13 16:53 |
| XRevan86 | Android is shady and restrictive, but it just doesn't compare. | Nov 13 16:54 |
| XRevan86 | even with all the new imposed restrictions, Google can get away with a lot and still be kilometres away from the hill Apple's enjoying themselves on. | Nov 13 16:55 |
| schestowitz | like I said | Nov 13 16:56 |
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| schestowitz | again | Nov 13 16:56 |
| schestowitz | phones are an issue | Nov 13 16:56 |
| schestowitz | i mean 'smart' | Nov 13 16:56 |
| schestowitz | or mobile | Nov 13 16:56 |
| schestowitz | smart is worse | Nov 13 16:56 |
| schestowitz | pinephone, jolla etc. | Nov 13 16:56 |
| schestowitz | lots of Linux ones right now | Nov 13 16:56 |
| schestowitz | some GNU/Linux | Nov 13 16:56 |
| schestowitz | hard to keep track | Nov 13 16:56 |
| schestowitz | but their baseband OS is still there | Nov 13 16:56 |
| schestowitz | and it likely acts as a backdoor to the coprocessor | Nov 13 16:57 |
| schestowitz | and that's aside from the tower logging locations by triangulating | Nov 13 16:57 |
| schestowitz | so | Nov 13 16:57 |
| schestowitz | if you speak objectively about the meaning of those things | Nov 13 16:57 |
| schestowitz | they themselves are an issue | Nov 13 16:57 |
| schestowitz | I don't have much privacy | Nov 13 16:57 |
| schestowitz | my DNS lookups give away what sites I visit | Nov 13 16:57 |
| schestowitz | which is mostly prodictable anyway | Nov 13 16:57 |
| schestowitz | many of them I publicly link to | Nov 13 16:58 |
| schestowitz | in the gym I surf differently as it's a public terminal | Nov 13 16:58 |
| schestowitz | but | Nov 13 16:58 |
| schestowitz | giving away your location at all times is vastly worse | Nov 13 16:58 |
| schestowitz | as is giving away search history when you look up medical conditions you have | Nov 13 16:58 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: If we focus on the smart- aspect, there's a detail here: the more likely a person is to avoid those as spyware, the more likely they're also capable of disabling the nasty | Nov 13 16:58 |
| schestowitz | or search names of people you have a crush on | Nov 13 16:58 |
| schestowitz | or think some wrongthink like looking up info on notorious people | Nov 13 16:59 |
| schestowitz | happened to a judge at the EPO BTW | Nov 13 16:59 |
| schestowitz | XRevan86: the "smart' part, I assume (it's ambiguous) refers to "apps" | Nov 13 16:59 |
| schestowitz | or, being able to extend them | Nov 13 16:59 |
| schestowitz | to customise them to one's own | Nov 13 16:59 |
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| schestowitz | feature phones being more similar across users | Nov 13 17:00 |
| schestowitz | except maybe wallpapers and choices of tone/ringtones | Nov 13 17:00 |
| schestowitz | Apple limits "smart" to what Apple deems allowable, by Apple/gov | Nov 13 17:00 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: Yes, it's all about the capabilities of third-party programmes. | Nov 13 17:00 |
| schestowitz | but then there's the remote update thing | Nov 13 17:00 |
| schestowitz | you are never really in control until you root these | Nov 13 17:01 |
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| schestowitz | (even then the hardware can pwn you) | Nov 13 17:01 |
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| schestowitz | I doubt you can root the coprocessor that does or handles tower comms | Nov 13 17:01 |
| schestowitz | and remember it can take over the other OS | Nov 13 17:01 |
| schestowitz | the one you rooted | Nov 13 17:01 |
| schestowitz | so in practice you can never root the phone >as a whole< | Nov 13 17:01 |
| schestowitz | not without changing transistor design with a screwdriver :-) | Nov 13 17:02 |
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| schestowitz | raspi is interesting | Nov 13 17:03 |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/2020/09/12/raspi-freedom/ | Nov 13 17:03 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Richard Stallman Still Works to Improve the Freedom of the Widely-Used RasPi (Produced in the United Kingdom by the Raspberry Pi Foundation) | Techrights | Nov 13 17:03 | |
| schestowitz | it can be a phone | Nov 13 17:03 |
| schestowitz | with extensions anyway | Nov 13 17:03 |
| schestowitz | it can be a tablet, server, PC | Nov 13 17:04 |
| schestowitz | and it's dirt cheap in relative terms | Nov 13 17:04 |
| schestowitz | you can put one inside a OLPC to modernise it | Nov 13 17:04 |
| schestowitz | then end up with 50 dollar XO-less machine for developing countries | Nov 13 17:04 |
| schestowitz | sans the notorious proprietary hardware bits in the original XO | Nov 13 17:04 |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/OLPC | Nov 13 17:06 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | OLPC - Techrights | Nov 13 17:06 | |
| *XRevan86 doesn't want to deal with looking for a replacement so just sticks to a trash device from 2015. It refuses to die anyway. | Nov 13 17:11 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | I'm stocking up on canned goods. | Nov 13 17:12 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I only spent $122.60 at Aldi today and filled an entire shopping cart with cans. | Nov 13 17:12 |
| XRevan86 | It's trash in terms of software, it's trash in terms of design, but apparently it's not trash in terms of component longevity. | Nov 13 17:12 |
| *psydroid has trash devices from 2016 that likewise refuse to die | Nov 13 17:12 | |
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| vZS1 | I think there are Android VMs out there. Might be worth looking into that for people that need Android to access something. | Nov 13 17:20 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: I was in Aldi as well today | Nov 13 17:21 |
| XRevan86 | vZS1: VMs, emulators, all kinds of things. | Nov 13 17:21 |
| schestowitz | cost less than 30 pounds | Nov 13 17:21 |
| vZS1 | Because a lot of people are forced to use smartphone apps | Nov 13 17:22 |
| vZS1 | For work or gov services or something | Nov 13 17:22 |
| XRevan86 | Android-x86 is the simplest option for a VM. | Nov 13 17:22 |
| vZS1 | Does it work with stuff like banking apps? | Nov 13 17:22 |
| schestowitz | vZS1: no, there are always alternatives | Nov 13 17:23 |
| XRevan86 | vZS1: Depends on what the banking application expects. | Nov 13 17:23 |
| schestowitz | they cannot force you to use a phone with a particular OS | Nov 13 17:23 |
| XRevan86 | vZS1: There's no NFC (obviously), so the banking application doesn't actually have a reason to be picky. | Nov 13 17:24 |
| XRevan86 | But they might be anyway, I don't know. | Nov 13 17:25 |
| vZS1 | I'm just thinking of a way people can use smartphone apps without having one of the spyboxes on them | Nov 13 17:25 |
| vZS1 | Raspi looks cool | Nov 13 17:26 |
| vZS1 | I might look into that as well | Nov 13 17:26 |
| DaemonFC[m] | <schestowitz "cost less than 30 pounds"> schestowitz: I just go through so many cans and stuff that there's no reason not to go to Aldi, but it's such a pain in the ass to remember to get one can of this or that, that I just loaded up on case packs. | Nov 13 17:26 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I mean really, $5 here, $4 there.... | Nov 13 17:26 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's less annoying, and then I can just focus on what meats I'm going to use with it. | Nov 13 17:26 |
| DaemonFC[m] | And at that point I can just keep my freezer packed with last day meat from Walmart. | Nov 13 17:27 |
| vZS1 | chovy: I can't really think of any feeds rn. | Nov 13 17:27 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They have some every day and it's between 25 and 50% off. | Nov 13 17:27 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Brand name canned goods are the biggest waste of money out there. | Nov 13 17:27 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's like 49 cents for a can of green beans at Aldi, but you go to Walmart and they'll have Del Monte or Green Giant or something for $1.28. | Nov 13 17:28 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I mean it's just ridiculous. It's pretty much all the same. | Nov 13 17:28 |
| MinceR | https://i.imgur.com/BH1RQSK.jpeg | Nov 13 17:31 |
| schestowitz | real? | Nov 13 17:33 |
| schestowitz | wow | Nov 13 17:33 |
| schestowitz | gerrymandering much? | Nov 13 17:33 |
| schestowitz | what was the popular vote like in TX this time around? | Nov 13 17:33 |
| MinceR | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_United_States_presidential_election_in_Texas | Nov 13 17:35 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | 2020 United States presidential election in Texas - Wikipedia | Nov 13 17:35 | |
| MinceR | 52.1% / 46.4% | Nov 13 17:35 |
| MinceR | in favor of the nazis | Nov 13 17:35 |
| schestowitz | whose favour? | Nov 13 17:35 |
| schestowitz | ah, yes | Nov 13 17:35 |
| schestowitz | well, that's texas | Nov 13 17:35 |
| schestowitz | they should make their own country | Nov 13 17:35 |
| schestowitz | Nazilund | Nov 13 17:36 |
| schestowitz | with accent on the u | Nov 13 17:36 |
| MinceR | jesusland | Nov 13 17:36 |
| vZS1 | Oh. I thought raspi was something else | Nov 13 17:37 |
| vZS1 | It's just the same old Pi | Nov 13 17:37 |
| vZS1 | Android on Rpi seems like a good idea. I'll buy a spare and check it out, sometime. | Nov 13 17:39 |
| XRevan86 | Using raspi as a phone will be especially fun. | Nov 13 17:41 |
| XRevan86 | As it has no GSM module, which is also why schestowitz mentioned it in the first place. | Nov 13 17:41 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: The Free Software Community Saw It Coming • 🆃🅴🅲🅷🆁🅸🅶🅷🆃🆂 ☞ http://techrights.org/2020/11/13/2001-marti-et-al/ [https://pleroma.site/objects/93c8e736-ac28-418e-99b1-3522d5ada52c] | Nov 13 17:42 | |
| MinceR | sadly, it also has no power management and it's hell to encase it with all the stuff it needs to work as a phone | Nov 13 17:43 |
| XRevan86 | It makes much more sense to buy a pinephone. | Nov 13 17:43 |
| vZS1 | All I want is something to use at home for just the apps | Nov 13 17:44 |
| MinceR | i'm waiting for a pinephone that doesn't have the logo of a cancerd distribution on it | Nov 13 17:44 |
| vZS1 | I don't care about having it on me outside | Nov 13 17:44 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Will a beta-quality Android port do it for you? | Nov 13 17:45 |
| vZS1 | I'll just use a dumbphone | Nov 13 17:45 |
| schestowitz | laptops work outside | Nov 13 17:45 |
| MinceR | XRevan86: it's supposed to be replaceable | Nov 13 17:45 |
| schestowitz | some of them with battery life comparable to that of a 'phone' | Nov 13 17:45 |
| MinceR | one of the selling points is that it can boot from removable devices | Nov 13 17:45 |
| schestowitz | vZS1: raspi is the same, I try not to say RaPi as it sounds like "rape" | Nov 13 17:46 |
| vZS1 | I just say Rpi | Nov 13 17:46 |
| MinceR | rapiscan! | Nov 13 17:46 |
| schestowitz | that too | Nov 13 17:46 |
| schestowitz | I thought of that minutes ago | Nov 13 17:46 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: So boot Android from a removeable device, I won't stop you :D | Nov 13 17:46 |
| MinceR | i'd rather boot Maemo Leste | Nov 13 17:47 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Make a beta-quality Maemo Leste port for it, I won't stop you here as well. | Nov 13 17:48 |
| MinceR | i thought other people were doing that already | Nov 13 17:48 |
| XRevan86 | UBports probably still uses Upstart, but there's no guarantee it will stay that way. | Nov 13 17:48 |
| vZS1 | If I can get Android on a Rpi, I can just use D-droid with Aurora for stuff like Banking apps | Nov 13 17:49 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Oh, indeed. | Nov 13 17:49 |
| vZS1 | s/D-droid/F-droid | Nov 13 17:50 |
| schestowitz | XRevan86: http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/New_buffer_2:2 | Nov 13 17:51 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | New buffer 2:2 - Techrights | Nov 13 17:51 | |
| schestowitz | read the comment from fig at the topr | Nov 13 17:51 |
| schestowitz | regarding shithub | Nov 13 17:51 |
| MinceR | (cat) (no audio) https://i.imgur.com/WhyC3xz.mp4 | Nov 13 17:53 |
| DaemonFC[m] | "A Pennsylvania judge ruled in favor of the Trump campaign Thursday, ordering that the state may not count ballots where the voters needed to provide proof of identification and failed to do so by Nov. 9." | Nov 13 17:58 |
| XRevan86 | > In dozens of ways, Democrats are to progress what Open Source is to Free Software-- they only care if they win, they don't care how many principles they have to sacrifice to do it. | Nov 13 17:59 |
| XRevan86 | I like it how there's no clarification about what is meant by "Democrat". The default country meaning, of course. | Nov 13 17:59 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Not enough to get anywhere close to changing the outcome. | Nov 13 17:59 |
| DaemonFC[m] | May affect a couple hundred votes out of millions in the entire state. | Nov 13 17:59 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Fox News ran with it and didn't mention that part. | Nov 13 17:59 |
| schestowitz | Faux Noise | Nov 13 18:00 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: see screenshot of "FOX" here http://techrights.org/2020/11/04/2020-election/ | Nov 13 18:00 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | 2020 Election — Like 2016 Election — Serves to Show Social Control Media is Disinformation Machine, a Growing Threat to Democracies | Techrights | Nov 13 18:00 | |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: Well, they're not wrong. | Nov 13 18:02 |
| vZS1 | I don't see why fig interpreted "GPL is dead" as "all software with GPL should be thrown away". Those are two entirely different statements. | Nov 13 18:03 |
| XRevan86 | Maybe a bit too harsh for my taste, but shithub is still a monopoly, so maybe a guilt trip is not unwarranted, don't know. | Nov 13 18:04 |
| vZS1 | GAFAM have been running GPL software on their clouds (modified, possibly) and the original devs get nothing out of it. How much worse does it have to get before they relicense to AGPL or similar. | Nov 13 18:05 |
| XRevan86 | It's all those little individual contributions that add up to Microsoft's servers being the place where one goes for software. | Nov 13 18:06 |
| vZS1 | Valve have been aggressively developing Steam on Ubuntu. Watch MS lose one of their key userbases once Steam starts to run better on Ubuntu. | Nov 13 18:08 |
| vZS1 | And Proton* | Nov 13 18:08 |
| MinceR | watch microshit sue valve over the winblows API when that happens | Nov 13 18:09 |
| MinceR | and put "features" into Linux that cripple steamOS | Nov 13 18:09 |
| MinceR | and maybe ibm will help them out too | Nov 13 18:09 |
| MinceR | valve has really dropped the ball on steamOS | Nov 13 18:09 |
| vZS1 | A lot of games have native Linux support | Nov 13 18:09 |
| vZS1 | All Valve titles do, afaik | Nov 13 18:10 |
| MinceR | steamOS still depends on systemd and proton, doesn't it? | Nov 13 18:10 |
| vZS1 | I don't know | Nov 13 18:10 |
| vZS1 | People are already using Steam on FreeBSD as well | Nov 13 18:11 |
| vZS1 | This is going to hit MS where it really hurts | Nov 13 18:12 |
| vZS1 | Bottom line sales figures | Nov 13 18:12 |
| MinceR | but not on any of the CoC-less BSD-s, of course | Nov 13 18:12 |
| schestowitz | vZS1: than we worry about DRM | Nov 13 18:13 |
| schestowitz | but to be fair | Nov 13 18:14 |
| schestowitz | if you wean them off Windows | Nov 13 18:14 |
| schestowitz | it's a good start | Nov 13 18:14 |
| schestowitz | as they'd use DRM there as well | Nov 13 18:14 |
| schestowitz | better bring them over to our fold, let Microsoft fold over | Nov 13 18:14 |
| vZS1 | I've tried a lot of titles on Proton. All the games I've tried work fine | Nov 13 18:14 |
| MinceR | it's not "our fold" though | Nov 13 18:14 |
| schestowitz | they waste their money bribing the likes of Guido van Icaza | Nov 13 18:14 |
| MinceR | it's ibm's systemd running on top of microsoft linux, offering win32 API via proton | Nov 13 18:14 |
| schestowitz | to give a false impression they still have "dev cred" | Nov 13 18:14 |
| MinceR | and the longer they stick to those, the more difficult it will be to ever fix it | Nov 13 18:15 |
| schestowitz | with directX | Nov 13 18:15 |
| schestowitz | https://airlied.blogspot.com/2020/08/vallium-software-swrast-vulkan-layer-faq.html | Nov 13 18:15 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-airlied.blogspot.com | lavapipe: a *software* swrast vulkan layer FAQ | Nov 13 18:15 | |
| schestowitz | https://airlied.blogspot.com/2020/08/vallium-software-swrast-vulkan-layer-faq.html | Nov 13 18:15 |
| MinceR | that too | Nov 13 18:15 |
| vZS1 | I might turn those printf statements into logger statements, for the IPFS stuff. Since everything is running via cron now | Nov 13 18:18 |
| vZS1 | I'll do that tomorrow | Nov 13 18:19 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Oracle Linux 8.3 Is Out and It Brings a Much Improved Installer, SELinux Updates • 𝕋𝕦𝕩 𝕄𝕒𝕔𝕙𝕚𝕟𝕖𝕤 ☞ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144337 [https://pleroma.site/objects/b2cc4b02-79a3-4064-95ef-92bff44f182e] | Nov 13 18:19 | |
| MinceR | https://img.pr0gramm.com/2020/09/20/20cb4b78142736d7.jpg | Nov 13 18:19 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | I noticed Aldi is only about 3-4 cents per can cheaper than Walmart. | Nov 13 18:22 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So it only really makes sense to go in there every couple months to fill up a shopping cart with them and buy in bulk. | Nov 13 18:23 |
| DaemonFC[m] | That way you may save $50 a year on canned goods and only have to go in there 5-6 times. | Nov 13 18:23 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I don't like having a lot of fresh vegetables around to cook with when you can just rinse most of the sodium out of each can anyway. | Nov 13 18:24 |
| DaemonFC[m] | You can balance things out by reducing salt somewhere else to compensate. | Nov 13 18:24 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Mom seems to be smart enough to figure out the United States might collapse. | Nov 13 18:25 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Not smart enough to see it was because of Trump and if it somehow does not, only because he was defeated after one term. | Nov 13 18:26 |
| vZS1 | Once I'm done with the messy work, I'll start working on migrating my Pi to OpenBSD. I've checked the docs and it looks like OpenBSD has drivers for the ethernet controller on my Rpi model. | Nov 13 18:26 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: I need to sync my phone. | Nov 13 18:32 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I got the USB charge and 3.5 mm adapter for it. | Nov 13 18:32 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Pain in the ass but it's whatever I guess. | Nov 13 18:32 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I knew all the best songs to skewer Maricel with over Thanksgiving last year with her karaoke machine after she snubbed us. | Nov 13 18:33 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I might buy one of those stupid things. | Nov 13 18:35 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I've been told I have a great singing voice. | Nov 13 18:35 |
| DaemonFC[m] | She was over there fuming while her mother/father-in-law were complimenting me. | Nov 13 18:35 |
| MinceR | (audio) https://vid.pr0gramm.com/2020/09/20/643f8a6da97cb406.mp4 | Nov 13 18:39 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: markets – track stock, currency, and cryptocurrency • 𝕋𝕦𝕩 𝕄𝕒𝕔𝕙𝕚𝕟𝕖𝕤 ☞ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144339 [https://pleroma.site/objects/134d5582-f09a-475c-b9fd-1b124c5068c0] | Nov 13 18:39 | |
| vZS1 | Huh | Nov 13 18:41 |
| vZS1 | Interesting | Nov 13 18:41 |
| vZS1 | OpenBSD has the latest go-ipfs already packaged | Nov 13 18:41 |
| vZS1 | Just checked on openports.se | Nov 13 18:42 |
| vZS1 | Why the hell does neither Debian nor Ubuntu have go-ipfs packages. What kind of bullshittery is this | Nov 13 18:45 |
| vZS1 | Not that's it's hard to just grab the binaries | Nov 13 18:45 |
| vZS1 | s/that's/that | Nov 13 18:46 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | I don't know why anyone would be buying Intel Macs right now. | Nov 13 18:49 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Apple isn't even discounting them and they announced an architecture change. | Nov 13 18:50 |
| vZS1_2 | You know, the new Raspberry Pi models function just fine as a desktop computer. | Nov 13 18:50 |
| vZS1_2 | I don't own a Rpi 4 model but you can get an 8GB RAM model a lot cheaper than a laptop. | Nov 13 18:51 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Yeah, but I noticed a lot of laptops in the $1,100 range don't even have the stuff my late 2016 one came with. | Nov 13 18:51 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It has 16 GB RAM, 512 GB NVME SSD, and a 4K screen. | Nov 13 18:51 |
| vZS1_2 | That's because modern PCs/laptops are a scam | Nov 13 18:51 |
| DaemonFC[m] | And they're back to FHD, 8 GB RAM, 256 GB SSD. | Nov 13 18:51 |
| vZS1_2 | Unless you build your own PC | Nov 13 18:52 |
| DaemonFC[m] | What the fuck.... | Nov 13 18:52 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Games: CoreCtrl, October Night Games, Mad Experiments: Escape Room, Sail Forth • 𝕋𝕦𝕩 𝕄𝕒𝕔𝕙𝕚𝕟𝕖𝕤 ☞ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144341 [https://pleroma.site/objects/beb3c353-3746-4454-a45f-7eb26b053af3] | Nov 13 18:52 | |
| vZS1_2 | I've assembled my own PC years ago, and it's still great. | Nov 13 18:52 |
| DaemonFC[m] | 8 GB generally probably still works fine on Linux. | Nov 13 18:52 |
| DaemonFC[m] | But on Windows 10? REALLY? | Nov 13 18:52 |
| MinceR | i don't know why anyone would be buying apple products right now | Nov 13 18:53 |
| schestowitz | few do | Nov 13 18:53 |
| schestowitz | but apple has large profit margins on each | Nov 13 18:53 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's always been a rule of thumb that you take whatever amount of RAM Linux can run decently with and double it and that's what you need to do the same things on Windows. | Nov 13 18:53 |
| schestowitz | because some people with limited resources ae dumb | Nov 13 18:53 |
| MinceR | and they save a lot on engineering | Nov 13 18:53 |
| MinceR | as they don't do any | Nov 13 18:53 |
| schestowitz | they'd borrow thinking white shitty "computers" with glorified logo would elevate their social status | Nov 13 18:53 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Windows has always been the more RAM you throw at it the better, and even then it's usually not enough. | Nov 13 18:54 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's terrible. | Nov 13 18:54 |
| DaemonFC[m] | You can run it with 4 times or 8 times the minimum and it still manages to run out and thrash. | Nov 13 18:54 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: These Gateway laptops that Walmart has on rollback are actually some of the most decent specs I've seen anywhere at this price point. | Nov 13 18:55 |
| DaemonFC[m] | And yes, they have 16 GB of RAM in a $479 laptop, so if they can do that, then why can't LOL NO!-vo do it for 2-3 times the price? | Nov 13 18:56 |
| schestowitz | https://www.maketecheasier.com/google-storage-will-cost-you-delete-files/ | Nov 13 18:56 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.maketecheasier.com | Google Storage Will Cost You and Delete Your Files - Make Tech Easier | Nov 13 18:56 | |
| schestowitz | butter emails! | Nov 13 18:56 |
| vZS1_2 | I have a 4GHZ processor (8 cores), 8GB RAM, quite a few SSDs, 1 HDD, GTX 1050Ti. I only spent a few hundred £. | Nov 13 18:57 |
| vZS1_2 | If I need to upgrade, I just buy a new part and put it in my current case. | Nov 13 18:58 |
| schestowitz | makes sense | Nov 13 18:58 |
| schestowitz | partical | Nov 13 18:58 |
| schestowitz | practical | Nov 13 18:58 |
| vZS1_2 | Yeah | Nov 13 18:58 |
| schestowitz | I retired my older main workstation this year, after 11 years | Nov 13 18:58 |
| vZS1_2 | It's cheap too | Nov 13 18:58 |
| vZS1_2 | And I can slap whatever OS I want on SSDs | Nov 13 18:58 |
| schestowitz | long enough service, impossible to repair anymore (I tried) | Nov 13 18:59 |
| schestowitz | vZS1_2: http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2020/05/05/budget-setup/ | Nov 13 18:59 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com » Blog Archive » 6 Heads Under $1000 | Nov 13 18:59 | |
| MinceR | https://img.pr0gramm.com/2020/09/19/2c142a9681c95d13.jpg | Nov 13 18:59 |
| schestowitz | the setup changes a little over time | Nov 13 18:59 |
| vZS1_2 | I buy these budget brand spyphones called Oukitel. They're pretty decent. Only cost around £80. | Nov 13 19:00 |
| schestowitz | less and less as the "right" setup is being approaches, less neck movement etc. | Nov 13 19:00 |
| MinceR | phones for spies? | Nov 13 19:00 |
| vZS1_2 | I don't get people blowing a couple grand on a new phone/computer. Makes no sense to me. | Nov 13 19:00 |
| schestowitz | phones "for" | Nov 13 19:00 |
| schestowitz | are | Nov 13 19:01 |
| schestowitz | or | Nov 13 19:01 |
| schestowitz | working not for their supposed owners | Nov 13 19:01 |
| schestowitz | but for spies that tap onto them | Nov 13 19:01 |
| schestowitz | remotelt | Nov 13 19:01 |
| schestowitz | *y | Nov 13 19:01 |
| schestowitz | vZS1_2: makes sense to the OEMs | Nov 13 19:01 |
| vZS1_2 | £80* | Nov 13 19:01 |
| schestowitz | lots of money in profit margins | Nov 13 19:01 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Walmart generally only makes about 15% on computers that they sell. | Nov 13 19:01 |
| schestowitz | and then the buyers brag about how much it costs them | Nov 13 19:01 |
| schestowitz | to me, they brag about being gullible | Nov 13 19:02 |
| schestowitz | like people who buy some premium food just for the name | Nov 13 19:02 |
| DaemonFC[m] | 12-15% | Nov 13 19:02 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The higher margins are on the ones that are total junk though. | Nov 13 19:02 |
| schestowitz | 2 quid for ice cream you can buy for 50p | Nov 13 19:02 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Like those "RCA" Android tablets. | Nov 13 19:02 |
| schestowitz | lol RCA | Nov 13 19:03 |
| schestowitz | I once bought an RCA tuner when I was in Florida | Nov 13 19:03 |
| schestowitz | iirc, it was already made in China | Nov 13 19:03 |
| schestowitz | that was 1990s | Nov 13 19:03 |
| vZS1_2 | I buy old laptops when I see a good deal, sometimes. But I gave all but 1 of them away. | Nov 13 19:03 |
| schestowitz | vZS1_2: PCWorld has outlets | Nov 13 19:03 |
| schestowitz | slightly used stuff. My oldest laptop in use right now cost just 120 quid IIRC | Nov 13 19:04 |
| vZS1_2 | I don't shop at chains | Nov 13 19:04 |
| vZS1_2 | So I wouldn't know. I'll give PCWorld a look sometime. | Nov 13 19:04 |
| schestowitz | i've still kept the plastic on the screen, oddly enough | Nov 13 19:04 |
| schestowitz | after 5 years | Nov 13 19:04 |
| schestowitz | vZS1_2: outlet | Nov 13 19:05 |
| vZS1_2 | Ah okay | Nov 13 19:05 |
| schestowitz | you can get really cheap junk there sometimes | Nov 13 19:05 |
| vZS1_2 | Will definitely to rummage around then. ty! | Nov 13 19:05 |
| schestowitz | and if there's a fault in first 12 months, they'll swap it | Nov 13 19:06 |
| schestowitz | my navatech computer did not last long | Nov 13 19:06 |
| vZS1_2 | Sounds like a pretty good deal. | Nov 13 19:06 |
| schestowitz | maybe 5 years reliably, even 4 | Nov 13 19:06 |
| schestowitz | then partly functional, then piece of junk | Nov 13 19:06 |
| schestowitz | came with no OS | Nov 13 19:06 |
| schestowitz | *novatech | Nov 13 19:07 |
| vZS1_2 | When I go to a hotel or something, I usually just take my Pi along with me. Hook it up to the TV and use it like that. | Nov 13 19:07 |
| vZS1_2 | I always have a spare keyboard or 2 in my rucksack | Nov 13 19:07 |
| vZS1_2 | 1 bluetooth and 1 USB, usually | Nov 13 19:07 |
| schestowitz | buuuu but... | Nov 13 19:07 |
| schestowitz | why not SMAART phone | Nov 13 19:07 |
| vZS1_2 | I have a spyphone as well | Nov 13 19:07 |
| schestowitz | it's not like you need a legible display | Nov 13 19:07 |
| schestowitz | or a KEYBOARD | Nov 13 19:08 |
| schestowitz | or mousing | Nov 13 19:08 |
| schestowitz | tap, tap... | Nov 13 19:08 |
| schestowitz | zoom | Nov 13 19:08 |
| schestowitz | press "like" | Nov 13 19:08 |
| vZS1_2 | I didn't know about Android on Rpi. I did some searching and it looks pretty mature. I might just carry a spare Pi for that. Get a touchscreen module. | Nov 13 19:08 |
| vZS1_2 | Tbf, bluetooth keyboards work pretty well with spyphones. | Nov 13 19:09 |
| vZS1_2 | I've been using them for years without issue. | Nov 13 19:09 |
| vZS1_2 | I don't like touch screen typing. | Nov 13 19:09 |
| schestowitz | it's not typing | Nov 13 19:11 |
| schestowitz | it's tapping | Nov 13 19:11 |
| schestowitz | imagine typewriters like that | Nov 13 19:11 |
| schestowitz | you don't know what you press | Nov 13 19:11 |
| schestowitz | even the feedback sounds don't help | Nov 13 19:11 |
| schestowitz | you type "shift" | Nov 13 19:11 |
| schestowitz | it corrects it to "shit" | Nov 13 19:11 |
| schestowitz | and similar blunders | Nov 13 19:11 |
| schestowitz | I tried from the gym a few times | Nov 13 19:11 |
| schestowitz | it would 'correct' fine words | Nov 13 19:11 |
| schestowitz | repeatedly spewing out garbage | Nov 13 19:12 |
| schestowitz | even into this channel | Nov 13 19:12 |
| schestowitz | on a cycling machine with android/chrome | Nov 13 19:12 |
| schestowitz | can't imagine how anyone could get serious work done on these things | Nov 13 19:12 |
| schestowitz | here's a proposition for a study | Nov 13 19:12 |
| vZS1_2 | I use mine like a pager | Nov 13 19:12 |
| schestowitz | look into productivity loss induced by 'smart' things | Nov 13 19:12 |
| schestowitz | in the past people rushed home... to work on real equipment | Nov 13 19:13 |
| schestowitz | now they stretch their day to scroll and droll on some 'phone' | Nov 13 19:13 |
| schestowitz | *drool | Nov 13 19:13 |
| vZS1_2 | Yeah, no. I can't do any real work that isn't on a proper computer. | Nov 13 19:13 |
| schestowitz | to a lot of people "work" is not "socialising" by pressing "like" in timelines | Nov 13 19:13 |
| schestowitz | because in exchange they "like" yours | Nov 13 19:13 |
| schestowitz | and their you look like some popular socialite | Nov 13 19:14 |
| schestowitz | and this is the depressing shit many sink into | Nov 13 19:14 |
| vZS1_2 | I've got a lot of productivity apps on my phone though | Nov 13 19:14 |
| schestowitz | trying to keep up with all the other fakers | Nov 13 19:14 |
| vZS1_2 | Like my break timer | Nov 13 19:14 |
| schestowitz | they could find real hobbies instead | Nov 13 19:14 |
| vZS1_2 | It does intervals and everthing | Nov 13 19:14 |
| schestowitz | learn to paint or something | Nov 13 19:14 |
| schestowitz | you don't need a phone for that | Nov 13 19:14 |
| vZS1_2 | And I can have it in my pocket and it makes a really loud, obscene noise to tell me to get back to work | Nov 13 19:14 |
| schestowitz | you don't even need that timing to be strict | Nov 13 19:15 |
| vZS1_2 | And other things like workout counters | Nov 13 19:15 |
| schestowitz | I used to overuse my Palm PDA | Nov 13 19:15 |
| schestowitz | I put ALL the tasks in it | Nov 13 19:15 |
| vZS1_2 | A calendar (not Google) | Nov 13 19:15 |
| schestowitz | and later realised I could improvise a bit and todo.txt at home only would be enough | Nov 13 19:15 |
| vZS1_2 | for daily reminders | Nov 13 19:15 |
| vZS1_2 | Weekly maintenance tasks | Nov 13 19:15 |
| vZS1_2 | I have a terrible memory | Nov 13 19:15 |
| schestowitz | workouts don't need counting either | Nov 13 19:15 |
| schestowitz | I used to count sets and reps a lot | Nov 13 19:15 |
| schestowitz | but the body doesn't count | Nov 13 19:15 |
| schestowitz | it doesn't matter | Nov 13 19:15 |
| schestowitz | it can only ever cause stress and mental overload | Nov 13 19:16 |
| schestowitz | keeping track of numbes | Nov 13 19:16 |
| schestowitz | numbers | Nov 13 19:16 |
| schestowitz | I'll get you a video on thay | Nov 13 19:16 |
| schestowitz | hang on | Nov 13 19:16 |
| vZS1_2 | It works fine for me | Nov 13 19:16 |
| schestowitz | I think this is the one http://techrights.org/2019/11/24/republica-2019-eben-moglen-talk/ | Nov 13 19:16 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Prof. Moglen on Privacy and Social Control Media | Techrights | Nov 13 19:16 | |
| schestowitz | unless we posted several of his | Nov 13 19:16 |
| schestowitz | al this notifications flood and signal overload is not helping you | Nov 13 19:17 |
| schestowitz | I used to be like that until a decade back | Nov 13 19:17 |
| schestowitz | and many who use 'phones' also upload their data that they log to the "cloud" | Nov 13 19:17 |
| schestowitz | thankfully I didn't have "the cloud" back then | Nov 13 19:17 |
| vZS1_2 | I don't have notifications. My phone is always muted. The only notification I get is the timer that tells me to stretch. | Nov 13 19:17 |
| schestowitz | you can do it without a timer | Nov 13 19:17 |
| schestowitz | not everything need to be programmed, you're not a robot | Nov 13 19:18 |
| schestowitz | *needs | Nov 13 19:18 |
| schestowitz | the timer might even interrupt something you do or think about | Nov 13 19:18 |
| vZS1_2 | Eh. I get too absorbed when I'm working on things. I need a loud noise to tell me to get off my arse. | Nov 13 19:18 |
| vZS1_2 | I have a system of task tracking that means that doesn't really happen. | Nov 13 19:19 |
| vZS1_2 | But that's on paper and not my phone | Nov 13 19:19 |
| vZS1_2 | I use little post-it notes like pointers | Nov 13 19:19 |
| vZS1_2 | It's pretty neat | Nov 13 19:20 |
| schestowitz | I was in that position before | Nov 13 19:20 |
| schestowitz | I learned from that mistake | Nov 13 19:20 |
| schestowitz | my aunt bought me a PDA | Nov 13 19:20 |
| schestowitz | and I started putting more and more things into it | Nov 13 19:20 |
| schestowitz | with alarms and all | Nov 13 19:20 |
| vZS1_2 | You do you | Nov 13 19:20 |
| schestowitz | later on I realised it was not so needed | Nov 13 19:20 |
| schestowitz | I was fine before that as well | Nov 13 19:20 |
| schestowitz | I still have my full Palm archives | Nov 13 19:21 |
| schestowitz | I never ever access them, no practical need to | Nov 13 19:21 |
| schestowitz | Spending lots of time archiving daily routines gives you nothing, maybe gives data-selling 'brokers' value | Nov 13 19:21 |
| schestowitz | as they can automate the mining | Nov 13 19:21 |
| schestowitz | and use that to maniplate you | Nov 13 19:21 |
| vZS1_2 | I don't archive anything | Nov 13 19:22 |
| schestowitz | *manipulate | Nov 13 19:22 |
| schestowitz | vZS1_2: you don't, others do | Nov 13 19:22 |
| schestowitz | employer, friends | Nov 13 19:22 |
| schestowitz | so archiving is still a problem | Nov 13 19:22 |
| schestowitz | this channel is also logged/archived, albeit we redact names | Nov 13 19:22 |
| vZS1_2 | I'm fine with my current setup. | Nov 13 19:25 |
| vZS1_2 | I've refined it over years. | Nov 13 19:25 |
| schestowitz | you do not overuse bad devices | Nov 13 19:26 |
| schestowitz | but... | Nov 13 19:26 |
| schestowitz | some do, so I'm partly talking to a fictional you | Nov 13 19:26 |
| schestowitz | to make a point | Nov 13 19:26 |
| schestowitz | I have a friend who's a medical prof | Nov 13 19:26 |
| schestowitz | friend for over a decade | Nov 13 19:27 |
| schestowitz | sometimes he sits in the changing room with his 'smart' phone | Nov 13 19:27 |
| schestowitz | for like 20 minutes | Nov 13 19:27 |
| schestowitz | checking mail | Nov 13 19:27 |
| vZS1_2 | That's a lack of self control | Nov 13 19:27 |
| schestowitz | I say, go home, use a real computer | Nov 13 19:27 |
| schestowitz | 20 minutes on a pew won't be as good as his quad-head PC | Nov 13 19:27 |
| schestowitz | no keyboard, tiny screen, not even good posture, leaning forward | Nov 13 19:28 |
| schestowitz | and he's not unique in that regard | Nov 13 19:28 |
| schestowitz | many people sit in public transport never looking out the window | Nov 13 19:28 |
| schestowitz | the notion becomes outlandish | Nov 13 19:28 |
| *rodolphoeck (~rodolphoe@dzcpe8910olorag-e0.static-hfc.datazug.ch) has joined #techrights | Nov 13 19:28 | |
| schestowitz | people who should know better, but those things are being designed deliberately to be >Addictive< | Nov 13 19:29 |
| schestowitz | I wasted tons of time replying to people in Twitter | Nov 13 19:29 |
| schestowitz | years | Nov 13 19:29 |
| schestowitz | now -- not anymore, it's also low quality of communications and it's farmed for sale | Nov 13 19:29 |
| schestowitz | on Twitter I spent maybe 2 minutes a day, just quickly glancing at replies | Nov 13 19:30 |
| vZS1_2 | I don't have the mental energy for that kind of thing. | Nov 13 19:30 |
| schestowitz | now it'd disgusting to even go to that site, I have to force myself to go there | Nov 13 19:30 |
| vZS1_2 | That's why I don't use social media | Nov 13 19:30 |
| schestowitz | in the past it was hard to NOT go there to check responses -- the exactly opposite | Nov 13 19:30 |
| schestowitz | same with Palm PDA diary or those notifications you say you get | Nov 13 19:31 |
| vZS1_2 | Like you said, those things are designed to be addictive. | Nov 13 19:31 |
| schestowitz | yup | Nov 13 19:31 |
| schestowitz | they study it | Nov 13 19:31 |
| schestowitz | how to increase "engagement" or screen time | Nov 13 19:31 |
| schestowitz | go to twitter and see "trending" | Nov 13 19:31 |
| schestowitz | it's the "you will never believe what happened next!" type | Nov 13 19:31 |
| schestowitz | cryptic | Nov 13 19:31 |
| schestowitz | provocative | Nov 13 19:31 |
| schestowitz | misleading | Nov 13 19:31 |
| schestowitz | all just to keep your mind from working properly | Nov 13 19:32 |
| vZS1_2 | It's worse for children | Nov 13 19:32 |
| schestowitz | so I visualised it http://techrights.org/2020/07/24/twitter-annotated/ | Nov 13 19:32 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | How Social Control Media Works: The Case of Twitter, Visualised and Annotated | Techrights | Nov 13 19:32 | |
| schestowitz | Twitter was not always like that | Nov 13 19:32 |
| vZS1_2 | Look at how much advertising is done to children on YouTube | Nov 13 19:32 |
| schestowitz | it became another FB | Nov 13 19:32 |
| schestowitz | copying the same addictive traits | Nov 13 19:32 |
| vZS1_2 | On TV channels, at least advertising time is limited | Nov 13 19:32 |
| schestowitz | https://truthout.org/articles/trump-ran-a-false-ad-in-florida-tying-biden-to-venezuelan-socialists/ | Nov 13 19:33 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-truthout.org | Trump Ran a False Ad in Florida Tying Biden to Venezuelan Socialists | Nov 13 19:33 | |
| schestowitz | youtube | Nov 13 19:33 |
| schestowitz | this is the latest link I posted a couple minutes ago in social control media | Nov 13 19:33 |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/2020/11/04/2020-election/ | Nov 13 19:33 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | 2020 Election — Like 2016 Election — Serves to Show Social Control Media is Disinformation Machine, a Growing Threat to Democracies | Techrights | Nov 13 19:33 | |
| schestowitz | many people think wrong things | Nov 13 19:33 |
| schestowitz | based on no evidence | Nov 13 19:33 |
| schestowitz | and it's hard to convince them otherwise | Nov 13 19:33 |
| schestowitz | social control media = cults and bubbles | Nov 13 19:34 |
| vZS1_2 | And it's not just Google Ads on YouTube; YouTubers constantly plug things to children as well. A lot of videos have over 50% just adversiting content. | Nov 13 19:34 |
| schestowitz | mental asylums with balkanised 'communities' | Nov 13 19:34 |
| schestowitz | vZS1_2: some of the "content" is astroturfing | Nov 13 19:34 |
| vZS1_2 | It should be illegal for children to be on platforms like that | Nov 13 19:34 |
| schestowitz | like "influencers" who "promote" products | Nov 13 19:34 |
| schestowitz | basically ads disguised as recommendations | Nov 13 19:34 |
| schestowitz | it's truly disturbing | Nov 13 19:35 |
| vZS1_2 | That's what I mean | Nov 13 19:35 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: Almost certain that Illinois has another lockdown at this point. | Nov 13 19:35 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Over 15,000 new cases today. | Nov 13 19:35 |
| schestowitz | good, do a lockdown | Nov 13 19:35 |
| *rodolphoeck has quit (Quit: WeeChat 2.9) | Nov 13 19:35 | |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: https://truthout.org/articles/covid-19-expected-to-overwhelm-health-care-system-as-trump-sabotages-transition/ | Nov 13 19:36 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-truthout.org | COVID-19 Expected to Overwhelm Health Care System as Trump Sabotages Transition | Nov 13 19:36 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | Positivity rate of 13.2% in the last week. | Nov 13 19:36 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: the number of cases is decreasing here, I checked an hour ago | Nov 13 19:36 |
| schestowitz | 400 or so per 100,000 | Nov 13 19:36 |
| schestowitz | i.e. 0.4% are infected, based on the tested or those tested | Nov 13 19:36 |
| schestowitz | and that's considered very high | Nov 13 19:36 |
| DaemonFC[m] | https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/secret-service-coronavirus-outbreak/2020/11/13/610eebcc-2539-11eb-8672-c281c7a2c96e_story.html | Nov 13 19:36 |
| schestowitz | national average about 0.15% | Nov 13 19:37 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.washingtonpost.com | More than 130 Secret Service officers are said to be infected with coronavirus or quarantining in wake of Trump’s campaign travel - The Washington Post | Nov 13 19:37 | |
| schestowitz | but that's for active cases and confirmed ones | Nov 13 19:37 |
| schestowitz | no asymptomatic for the most part | Nov 13 19:37 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They deserve it for firing tear gas and rubber bullets at people so that Trump could spend 2 minutes holding a bible outside a church for a photo op; | Nov 13 19:37 |
| schestowitz | I will use that link, cheers | Nov 13 19:37 |
| schestowitz | for Daily Links | Nov 13 19:37 |
| DaemonFC[m] | "The virus is having a dramatic impact on the Secret Service’s presidential security unit at the same time that growing numbers of prominent Trump campaign allies and White House officials have fallen ill in the wake of campaign events, where many attendees did not wear masks." | Nov 13 19:37 |
| DaemonFC[m] | "Among those who are infected are White House Chief of Staff Mark Meadows and outside political advisers Corey Lewandowski and David Bossie. | Nov 13 19:38 |
| DaemonFC[m] | In addition, at least eight staffers at the Republican National Committee, including Chief of Staff Richard Walters, have the virus, according to officials at the organization. Some of those infected are in field offices across the country, including Pennsylvania, where some believe they were exposed in large staff gatherings, an official said." | Nov 13 19:38 |
| vZS1_2 | Thing is: were they forced to not wear masks? | Nov 13 19:38 |
| DaemonFC[m] | "White House spokesman Judd Deere said the administration takes “every case seriously.”" | Nov 13 19:38 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Just not seriously enough to do anything about. | Nov 13 19:38 |
| schestowitz | they're supposed to protect them | Nov 13 19:38 |
| schestowitz | not infect them | Nov 13 19:38 |
| schestowitz | LOL! | Nov 13 19:38 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Almost 10 more weeks of this pig fuck left before Biden can possibly do anything to alter course. | Nov 13 19:39 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Speaking of course, Trump is on the golf course, of course. | Nov 13 19:39 |
| schestowitz | like Bush and his 'ranch' | Nov 13 19:39 |
| schestowitz | what a bunch of buffoons | Nov 13 19:39 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Only now on his 450th day of golf is the media saying he's abdicating. | Nov 13 19:39 |
| schestowitz | with their "lifestyles" and "toil" | Nov 13 19:39 |
| schestowitz | he left his legacy | Nov 13 19:40 |
| schestowitz | friends with North Korea | Nov 13 19:40 |
| schestowitz | and US lost so many worthwhile allies | Nov 13 19:40 |
| DaemonFC[m] | https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/13/politics/arizona-trump-lawsuit/index.html | Nov 13 19:40 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Arizona presidential election: Trump campaign drops lawsuit demanding a review of ballots - CNNPolitics | Nov 13 19:40 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | Then there's this. | Nov 13 19:40 |
| DaemonFC[m] | He's giving up, at least in Arizona. | Nov 13 19:40 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So the election will be certified there on schedule. | Nov 13 19:40 |
| schestowitz | yup | Nov 13 19:40 |
| vZS1_2 | Isn't the Senate and SCOTUS stacked against Biden? | Nov 13 19:41 |
| DaemonFC[m] | He no longer has any realistic plan to deny Biden at least 270 electoral votes. | Nov 13 19:41 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Well, if Trump drops the lawsuit against Arizona then he can't get to 270. | Nov 13 19:41 |
| vZS1_2 | I haven't been keeping up with US news. | Nov 13 19:41 |
| DaemonFC[m] | There's nothing even remotely realistic to be done about Michigan, Wisconsin, or Nevada. | Nov 13 19:41 |
| DaemonFC[m] | And that's 270. So, yeah. | Nov 13 19:41 |
| schestowitz | fin | Nov 13 19:42 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Then Georgia is plowing along and says the audit absolutely will be done by the 20th, with their Secretary of State quarantined with Coronavirus. | Nov 13 19:42 |
| schestowitz | now he'll rule up cults | Nov 13 19:42 |
| DaemonFC[m] | o 16 more there. | Nov 13 19:42 |
| schestowitz | base45, kkk, proud boys | Nov 13 19:42 |
| schestowitz | to cause violence | Nov 13 19:42 |
| schestowitz | *rile up | Nov 13 19:42 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Yeah, he made a halfassed challenge to the election that would never go anywhere so he could say he was cheated and keep hitting people up for money. | Nov 13 19:42 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Guessing he's tapping out because the coffers aren't exactly overflowing with donations at this point. | Nov 13 19:43 |
| schestowitz | not even Oracle Larrison? | Nov 13 19:43 |
| DaemonFC[m] | He's a grifter, but he's smart enough to give up when the cost of grifting is exceeding the pace of the "grifted" who will still open their wallets. | Nov 13 19:43 |
| schestowitz | https://www.counterpunch.org/2020/11/12/things-may-get-worse-before-they-get-better-in-the-u-s/ | Nov 13 19:43 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Things May Get Worse Before They Get Better in the U.S. - CounterPunch.org | Nov 13 19:43 | |
| schestowitz | grift: https://www.commondreams.org/news/2020/11/12/trumps-election-lies-continue-so-does-his-extremely-misleading-fundraising-grift | Nov 13 19:44 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.commondreams.org | As Trump's Election Lies Continue, So Does His "Extremely Misleading" Fundraising Grift | Common Dreams News | Nov 13 19:44 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: Well, giving up on lawsuits, taking petty revenges upon officials who had less than 70 days left before Biden got rid of them anyway.... | Nov 13 19:44 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Disappeared from public view... | Nov 13 19:44 |
| DaemonFC[m] | This is hardly a guy coming up swinging and on his way to a new term. | Nov 13 19:44 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The only thing Trump's accomplishing by sacking people is sparing Biden the effort and making his outgoing administration less efficient at causing trouble. | Nov 13 19:45 |
| schestowitz | but the damage is done | Nov 13 19:45 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Yeah? | Nov 13 19:45 |
| schestowitz | he prevents reform | Nov 13 19:45 |
| schestowitz | transition | Nov 13 19:45 |
| schestowitz | meanwhile the virus spreads at quadratic pace | Nov 13 19:45 |
| DaemonFC[m] | He's not preventing anything, really. | Nov 13 19:45 |
| schestowitz | and it'll take another months for those infested to die, even if just the older ones die | Nov 13 19:46 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The Senate Republicans have had enough and said they will start providing the Biden Transition with the National Security reports that they have. | Nov 13 19:46 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So that's fine. | Nov 13 19:46 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: no election anymore, nothing to lose | Nov 13 19:46 |
| schestowitz | making a bigger mess for Biden | Nov 13 19:46 |
| schestowitz | maybe that's the goal | Nov 13 19:46 |
| schestowitz | to make him look bad | Nov 13 19:46 |
| schestowitz | force lockdown | Nov 13 19:46 |
| schestowitz | Wall Street collapses | Nov 13 19:46 |
| schestowitz | I hope it happens BEFORE inauguration | Nov 13 19:46 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: It was going there anyway. | Nov 13 19:46 |
| schestowitz | and then the public will know WHO to blame | Nov 13 19:46 |
| DaemonFC[m] | He had no reason to do anything if he won either. | Nov 13 19:47 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Term limits. | Nov 13 19:47 |
| schestowitz | how many cases in US so far today? | Nov 13 19:47 |
| *schestowitz promised self not to check the numbers anymore, except very selectively | Nov 13 19:47 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | 85,203 so far. | Nov 13 19:47 |
| DaemonFC[m] | With 6 hours left on the clock. | Nov 13 19:47 |
| schestowitz | it's only 2pm in ny/east coat | Nov 13 19:47 |
| schestowitz | it's only 2pm in ny/east coast | Nov 13 19:47 |
| schestowitz | ET | Nov 13 19:47 |
| schestowitz | 2:47 | Nov 13 19:48 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: It's got two more years to play out. | Nov 13 19:48 |
| schestowitz | those last 6 hours are when all the actual numbers come in | Nov 13 19:48 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Killing the elderly, mostly. | Nov 13 19:48 |
| schestowitz | you can see which states have not reported yet | Nov 13 19:48 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The Republicans are not going to do very well in the midterms with that. | Nov 13 19:48 |
| schestowitz | and extrapolate based on past days | Nov 13 19:48 |
| DaemonFC[m] | If this thing kills a million more old people. | Nov 13 19:48 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: 150,000-170,000 most likely. | Nov 13 19:49 |
| schestowitz | it KILLS older people, but harms younger ones also | Nov 13 19:49 |
| schestowitz | so their lives are shortened | Nov 13 19:49 |
| schestowitz | yet the media treats no fatalities as "no big deal", "carry on" | Nov 13 19:49 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: Did you hear the latest Trump Jr. conspiracy? | Nov 13 19:49 |
| vZS1_2 | We don't even know what happens to people with covid-19, in the long term. | Nov 13 19:49 |
| schestowitz | and later they get infected again,not even with a mutated version | Nov 13 19:49 |
| vZS1_2 | As in, after a "full recovery". | Nov 13 19:50 |
| DaemonFC[m] | That Pfizer delayed the news about the effectiveness of their vaccine in order to cause Trump to lose the election. | Nov 13 19:50 |
| schestowitz | vZS1_2: there's some data | Nov 13 19:50 |
| schestowitz | cardiac effect | Nov 13 19:50 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I knew that was coming from....someone. | Nov 13 19:50 |
| schestowitz | nerves | Nov 13 19:50 |
| schestowitz | lungs | Nov 13 19:50 |
| schestowitz | mental | Nov 13 19:50 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Like Pfizer cares who the goddamned president is. | Nov 13 19:50 |
| schestowitz | I'm 90% we did not contract it yet | Nov 13 19:50 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Nobody is going to stop them, | Nov 13 19:50 |
| schestowitz | one of us would show some symptoms | Nov 13 19:50 |
| schestowitz | the wife is 42 | Nov 13 19:51 |
| schestowitz | Pfizer wrote a press release | Nov 13 19:51 |
| schestowitz | no data released | Nov 13 19:51 |
| schestowitz | many bought into it based on words in a press release and paid-for media coverage | Nov 13 19:51 |
| schestowitz | so think another AstraZeneca | Nov 13 19:51 |
| schestowitz | but better marketed | Nov 13 19:51 |
| schestowitz | it's too early | Nov 13 19:51 |
| vZS1_2 | In another 5 years, we'll see what the stats say. | Nov 13 19:52 |
| schestowitz | to even test full recovery | Nov 13 19:52 |
| schestowitz | let alone side effects | Nov 13 19:52 |
| schestowitz | proper trial would take 10-15 years | Nov 13 19:52 |
| schestowitz | 5 if rushed | Nov 13 19:52 |
| schestowitz | Bill Gates might be dead by then, like his dad | Nov 13 19:52 |
| schestowitz | dead dad, died 2 months ago | Nov 13 19:52 |
| schestowitz | vZS1_2: big sample set | Nov 13 19:52 |
| schestowitz | if they can get a billion people to take multiple doses of the thing | Nov 13 19:53 |
| DaemonFC[m] | In addition to the canned goods this morning, I finished off the freezer with marked down meat last night. | Nov 13 19:53 |
| DaemonFC[m] | And bought another 16 pound bag of cat food and 80 pounds of litter. | Nov 13 19:53 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The cats should be good for at least 6 months. | Nov 13 19:53 |
| schestowitz | whoa | Nov 13 19:53 |
| schestowitz | when do you dig up your bunker, Yankee boy ? :-) | Nov 13 19:54 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The stores are having....issues, with cat supplies. | Nov 13 19:54 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Especially in the bulk sizes where you save a couple bucks. | Nov 13 19:54 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So, eh... | Nov 13 19:54 |
| vZS1_2 | I have pickled foods and other preserved goods always on standby. A lot of tinned provisions as well. | Nov 13 19:54 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Worst that happens is nothing happens and we use it anyway, right? | Nov 13 19:54 |
| vZS1_2 | Extended family used to pick up stuff from me when the stores were really bad here. | Nov 13 19:54 |
| schestowitz | https://www.commondreams.org/news/2020/11/12/trump-whines-and-gaslights-heres-reality-check-he-got-his-ass-kicked-general | Nov 13 19:54 |
| DaemonFC[m] | If they run out of food or litter I'm in trouble. | Nov 13 19:54 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.commondreams.org | As Trump Whines and Gaslights, Here's a Reality Check: He Got His Ass Kicked in the General Election | Common Dreams News | Nov 13 19:54 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | We can eat just about any damned thing I find. | Nov 13 19:55 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They need cat food. | Nov 13 19:55 |
| schestowitz | vZS1_2: useful for brexshit kicking in | Nov 13 19:55 |
| schestowitz | brex-shit-canned | Nov 13 19:55 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: I managed to claim $600-something for mom from the Indiana unclaimed property dept. | Nov 13 19:56 |
| vZS1_2 | I don't want to go anywhere near that can | Nov 13 19:56 |
| schestowitz | https://truthout.org/articles/4-weeks-of-lockdown-could-stop-covid-flare-up-boost-economy-says-biden-adviser/ | Nov 13 19:56 |
| DaemonFC[m] | A bill collector kept garnishing her bank account for a month past the bankruptcy and then tried to return the money and couldn't find her. | Nov 13 19:56 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-truthout.org | 4 Weeks of Lockdown Could Stop COVID Flare-Up, Boost Economy, Says Biden Adviser | Nov 13 19:56 | |
| vZS1_2 | I make sure the pantry at home is always enough to live off for at least 2 months. Never know when disaster might strike. Covid proved me right. | Nov 13 20:00 |
| vZS1_2 | When climate change really kicks in, it might be a lot worse than covid. | Nov 13 20:01 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-edition.cnn.com | Law firm attempting to block Biden's win in Pennsylvania leaves controversial Trump campaign case - CNNPolitics | Nov 13 20:05 | |
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| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Noscript cures font vulnerabilities • 𝕋𝕦𝕩 𝕄𝕒𝕔𝕙𝕚𝕟𝕖𝕤 ☞ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144344 [https://pleroma.site/objects/2ff279f3-312b-4e9c-8d5b-604d89d1fba9] | Nov 13 20:11 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Today’s #HowTos | #UNIX • 𝕋𝕦𝕩 𝕄𝕒𝕔𝕙𝕚𝕟𝕖𝕤 ☞ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144345 [https://pleroma.site/objects/a1a55be4-49ca-4516-bbcc-c29837022e6a] | Nov 13 20:14 | |
| schestowitz | [20:01] <vZS1_2> When climate change really kicks in, it might be a lot worse than covid. | Nov 13 20:16 |
| schestowitz | I kicked in, really, just not here (yet) | Nov 13 20:17 |
| schestowitz | [19:56] [Notice] -viera to #boycottnovell-social- Dr. Roy Schestowitz (罗伊): ● NEWS ● #TruthOut ☞ #Climate Refugees Will Soon Surpass Those Displaced by #War https://truthout.org/articles/climate-refugees-will-soon-surpass-those-displaced-by-war/ [https://pleroma.site/objects/d7963526-ca0f-4a79-8015-e0d6fc3a8a03] | Nov 13 20:17 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-truthout.org | Climate Refugees Will Soon Surpass Those Displaced by War | Nov 13 20:17 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-pleroma.site | Nov 13 20:17 | |
| schestowitz | vZS1_2: usually low-surface islands | Nov 13 20:17 |
| vZS1_2 | Yeah but things will get a lot worse, the way things are going now. | Nov 13 20:17 |
| vZS1_2 | Certain countries are already going underwater. | Nov 13 20:17 |
| schestowitz | we're accustomed to large food supplies | Nov 13 20:17 |
| schestowitz | cheaply | Nov 13 20:17 |
| schestowitz | many crops were lost for good in asia due to the storms | Nov 13 20:18 |
| schestowitz | no food security | Nov 13 20:18 |
| schestowitz | harvest in a hurry before fields got flooded | Nov 13 20:18 |
| schestowitz | much food still lost | Nov 13 20:18 |
| schestowitz | brexshit cult assumes rice just comes in plastic | Nov 13 20:18 |
| schestowitz | from "the boat" or "the lorry" | Nov 13 20:18 |
| schestowitz | no matter who actually does the hard work and where | Nov 13 20:19 |
| vZS1_2 | Many of the countries that export rice flood frequently | Nov 13 20:19 |
| vZS1_2 | Going underwater isn't helping things | Nov 13 20:20 |
| vZS1_2 | I've lived in them, so I've seen it first hand. | Nov 13 20:20 |
| schestowitz | they will feed their own first | Nov 13 20:22 |
| schestowitz | no exports | Nov 13 20:22 |
| schestowitz | we can live in biscuits for a wile | Nov 13 20:22 |
| schestowitz | while | Nov 13 20:22 |
| schestowitz | just a while | Nov 13 20:22 |
| schestowitz | and tea | Nov 13 20:22 |
| schestowitz | lots of calories in tea with no sugar | Nov 13 20:22 |
| schestowitz | sugar canes under water also | Nov 13 20:23 |
| schestowitz | no sugar canes in Salisbury :-) | Nov 13 20:23 |
| vZS1_2 | lol | Nov 13 20:23 |
| vZS1_2 | Plenty of Novichok though | Nov 13 20:23 |
| schestowitz | artichoke you say? | Nov 13 20:32 |
| schestowitz | Arty choked on Novichok | Nov 13 20:34 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Canonical/Ubuntu: Kubernetes and Proprietary Software/Spyware From Snaps • 𝕋𝕦𝕩 𝕄𝕒𝕔𝕙𝕚𝕟𝕖𝕤 ☞ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144346 [https://pleroma.site/objects/10312743-129d-4f11-9e7a-9882ea11bde1] | Nov 13 20:35 | |
| schestowitz | so much of it there that it grows on doorknobs, they say... | Nov 13 20:36 |
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| vZS1_2 | The UK is safe | Nov 13 20:45 |
| vZS1_2 | Don't you worry | Nov 13 20:45 |
| schestowitz | relatively it is | Nov 13 20:48 |
| schestowitz | in terms of all sorts of things | Nov 13 20:48 |
| vZS1_2 | It's just amusing to see press coverage of things like those incidents | Nov 13 20:49 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: #Seamonkey Browser Suite updated to 2.53.5 in #PCLinuxOS http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/141761#comment-27137 [https://pleroma.site/objects/f67ddaf4-313c-473c-b54a-e73f30a0ff3a] | Nov 13 20:49 | |
| schestowitz | I was not even being cynical | Nov 13 20:50 |
| schestowitz | in relative terms it's a very safe place | Nov 13 20:50 |
| schestowitz | compared with lack of health coverage and gun crime in lang of BoJo's bosses | Nov 13 20:50 |
| schestowitz | *land | Nov 13 20:50 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Endian Community Releases New Version 3.3.2 • 𝕋𝕦𝕩 𝕄𝕒𝕔𝕙𝕚𝕟𝕖𝕤 ☞ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144347 [https://pleroma.site/objects/5745a3a1-782f-44c7-8366-5824b93cf8f2] | Nov 13 20:54 | |
| vZS1_2 | We've got it better than the US in quite a lot of ways, yeah. | Nov 13 20:58 |
| schestowitz | I am trying to see the glass half full here | Nov 13 20:59 |
| schestowitz | as we're stuck at home | Nov 13 20:59 |
| schestowitz | at least we might do some server upgrades, we did ipfs this past week etc. | Nov 13 21:00 |
| schestowitz | learning new things | Nov 13 21:00 |
| schestowitz | I will do some EPO leaks later tonight, I do a 1-9am shift at work | Nov 13 21:00 |
| schestowitz | some people don't even have work or anything to pass time with... | Nov 13 21:01 |
| schestowitz | (or income) | Nov 13 21:01 |
| vZS1_2 | How is the migration going? | Nov 13 21:03 |
| schestowitz | you can see IRC logs | Nov 13 21:04 |
| schestowitz | it's done in the public eye for the most part | Nov 13 21:04 |
| schestowitz | last night we tried to move the databases to the other datacentres | Nov 13 21:04 |
| schestowitz | but the latency was too high | Nov 13 21:04 |
| schestowitz | so we'll try db replication next | Nov 13 21:04 |
| schestowitz | the databases will move first | Nov 13 21:04 |
| schestowitz | the CMS will follow | Nov 13 21:05 |
| schestowitz | all 5 of them | Nov 13 21:05 |
| vZS1_2 | I'll grep through the logs next time I'm curious. Will log off the desktop now. Cya later. | Nov 13 21:09 |
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| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Devices/Embedded: ESP32 and Raspberry Pi • 𝕋𝕦𝕩 𝕄𝕒𝕔𝕙𝕚𝕟𝕖𝕤 ☞ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144348 [https://pleroma.site/objects/b7d2339a-9172-4778-b1c1-d2c4eac325e8] | Nov 13 21:21 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Warp: Improved JS performance in Firefox 83 • 𝕋𝕦𝕩 𝕄𝕒𝕔𝕙𝕚𝕟𝕖𝕤 ☞ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144349 [https://pleroma.site/objects/d2b33bdc-058d-44fa-91a7-bf32bb4c029b] | Nov 13 21:26 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: How Many Users Can Open Source Zoom Alternatives Handle? • 𝕋𝕦𝕩 𝕄𝕒𝕔𝕙𝕚𝕟𝕖𝕤 ☞ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144350 [https://pleroma.site/objects/02f5b87f-6e2a-4474-899a-29bae280a1ca] | Nov 13 21:32 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Audiocasts/Shows: Xubuntu 20.10, NAS, GNU/Grep/ripgrep • 𝕋𝕦𝕩 𝕄𝕒𝕔𝕙𝕚𝕟𝕖𝕤 ☞ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144351 [https://pleroma.site/objects/900c5ab2-8569-42d0-9791-7d1058618cb4] | Nov 13 21:35 | |
| Narrator | https://twitter.com/BrideOfLinux/status/1327298934868414464 ... | Nov 13 21:42 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@BrideOfLinux: I'm not upset that Microsoft is involved in Open Source. Good for Microsoft. I am concerned that it's beginning to… https://t.co/NSWFgWVunA | Nov 13 21:42 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@BrideOfLinux: I'm not upset that Microsoft is involved in Open Source. Good for Microsoft. I am concerned that it's beginning to… https://t.co/NSWFgWVunA | Nov 13 21:42 | |
| Narrator | it looks bad | Nov 13 21:42 |
| schestowitz | see the top comment | Nov 13 21:46 |
| schestowitz | gael duval asking me to comment | Nov 13 21:46 |
| schestowitz | I will | Nov 13 21:46 |
| schestowitz | he founded mandriva | Nov 13 21:46 |
| schestowitz | mandrake actually | Nov 13 21:46 |
| schestowitz | later mandriva it was coming to be.. | Nov 13 21:46 |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/2020/11/12/microsoft-playing-double-dutch/ | Nov 13 21:46 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Microsoft Playing Hardball and Talking ‘Double Dutch’ to Undermine the Free Software Community | Techrights | Nov 13 21:46 | |
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| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Mageia 8 is on its way • 𝕋𝕦𝕩 𝕄𝕒𝕔𝕙𝕚𝕟𝕖𝕤 ☞ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144352 [https://pleroma.site/objects/8d5df8c0-eb59-4828-a601-8f70b0adda4f] | Nov 13 21:51 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Fedora: Changes to Media Writer and New Releases of Fedora 33 ISOs • 𝕋𝕦𝕩 𝕄𝕒𝕔𝕙𝕚𝕟𝕖𝕤 ☞ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144353 [https://pleroma.site/objects/cc359b10-86bc-4192-b608-ca09778577a3] | Nov 13 21:58 | |
| Narrator | i know, i saw it on twitter | Nov 13 22:01 |
| Narrator | probably we se something like improved ipy | Nov 13 22:02 |
| Narrator | with .net integration with jit | Nov 13 22:02 |
| Narrator | ... will see ... | Nov 13 22:06 |
| schestowitz | I try now to get drawn into twitter | Nov 13 22:10 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I'm glad to see SeaMonkey still around. | Nov 13 22:10 |
| schestowitz | it's a shithole | Nov 13 22:10 |
| schestowitz | but watch the othr comments in there | Nov 13 22:10 |
| DaemonFC[m] | A big old middle finger to modern. | Nov 13 22:10 |
| schestowitz | re Rust | Nov 13 22:10 |
| schestowitz | and SJVN sings Microsoft's tune | Nov 13 22:10 |
| schestowitz | SJVN is corrupted and compromised at this point | Nov 13 22:10 |
| DaemonFC[m] | SJVN was heaping praise on Edge spyware for Linux. | Nov 13 22:11 |
| schestowitz | Narrator: maybe we'll have a guest post aboyt pypy/i soon | Nov 13 22:11 |
| DaemonFC[m] | He's beyond compromised. | Nov 13 22:11 |
| schestowitz | not my area | Nov 13 22:11 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: I heard worse about him | Nov 13 22:11 |
| schestowitz | see what he said in the comments above | Nov 13 22:11 |
| schestowitz | he also deliberately lied about what I had said about him | Nov 13 22:12 |
| schestowitz | to incite people against me | Nov 13 22:12 |
| schestowitz | and I fired back | Nov 13 22:12 |
| schestowitz | then I quit partricipating in twitter | Nov 13 22:12 |
| schestowitz | because it's a shithole of lies like these | Nov 13 22:12 |
| schestowitz | mjg59 publicly painted me there as rape apologist | Nov 13 22:12 |
| schestowitz | and for merely reposting an article where someone objectively shows discreet debian emails | Nov 13 22:13 |
| mjg59 | You then accused me of lying but provided no evidence | Nov 13 22:13 |
| schestowitz | about misrepresenting allegations against Appelbaum | Nov 13 22:13 |
| schestowitz | and that somehow makes me pro-rape... or something | Nov 13 22:13 |
| mjg59 | No, that's not what I said | Nov 13 22:13 |
| schestowitz | mjg59: you lied about me | Nov 13 22:13 |
| schestowitz | typical BS | Nov 13 22:13 |
| mjg59 | I pointed to an article you wrote | Nov 13 22:13 |
| mjg59 | Not the Pocock one you reposted | Nov 13 22:13 |
| schestowitz | to paint me as some sort of misogynist | Nov 13 22:13 |
| schestowitz | and your tweet was liked by Microsofters | Nov 13 22:13 |
| schestowitz | stroking their ego, thinking I'm some monster | Nov 13 22:13 |
| schestowitz | based on a "tweet" | Nov 13 22:14 |
| schestowitz | basically a bunch of total nonsense | Nov 13 22:14 |
| schestowitz | this is why twitter is worse than shit | Nov 13 22:14 |
| schestowitz | let trump and bannon have it | Nov 13 22:14 |
| schestowitz | calling for heads to be "put on a spike" | Nov 13 22:14 |
| mjg59 | You just lied about what I said | Nov 13 22:14 |
| schestowitz | No, I did not | Nov 13 22:14 |
| mjg59 | 22:13 < schestowitz> and for merely reposting an article where someone objectively shows discreet debian emails | Nov 13 22:14 |
| schestowitz | you misrepresented the article | Nov 13 22:14 |
| schestowitz | look what I said | Nov 13 22:14 |
| schestowitz | or quote me | Nov 13 22:14 |
| schestowitz | don't spin that as something you WANT me to have said | Nov 13 22:15 |
| mjg59 | I did not reference the Pocock article | Nov 13 22:15 |
| schestowitz | that's what tweets do | Nov 13 22:15 |
| mjg59 | I referenced an article you wrote | Nov 13 22:15 |
| schestowitz | they're short | Nov 13 22:15 |
| schestowitz | so in the guise of brevity people can lie about what they link to | Nov 13 22:15 |
| mjg59 | I've corrected you on this multiple times | Nov 13 22:15 |
| schestowitz | no | Nov 13 22:15 |
| schestowitz | you tried to clear your diaper-filled room | Nov 13 22:15 |
| schestowitz | reaslising you cannot just accuse people like this | Nov 13 22:15 |
| schestowitz | because it makes you and your mission look incredibly bad | Nov 13 22:16 |
| schestowitz | like Sharp did | Nov 13 22:16 |
| schestowitz | twisting people's words | Nov 13 22:16 |
| mjg59 | http://techrights.org/2020/09/07/the-cost-of-secrecy/ - did you write this article? | Nov 13 22:16 |
| schestowitz | to stigmatise people as against majority of humans (women) | Nov 13 22:16 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Debian Expulsions and Defamation Were Also Common in the 1990s | Techrights | Nov 13 22:16 | |
| mjg59 | Because it has your name on it | Nov 13 22:16 |
| schestowitz | Yes, quote me from it | Nov 13 22:16 |
| schestowitz | don't spin what you THINK I meant | Nov 13 22:16 |
| mjg59 | Ok, so which article does https://twitter.com/mjg59/status/1309426144207224832 link to? | Nov 13 22:17 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@mjg59: @schestowitz Continuing to wait honestly how hard is it to justify an assertion | Nov 13 22:17 | |
| mjg59 | Sorry, https://twitter.com/mjg59/status/1303237879888371712 | Nov 13 22:17 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@mjg59: Just in case you were wondering whether Techrights was at some level devoted to justice, @schestowitz has decided t… https://t.co/GPPVX7b6k3 | Nov 13 22:17 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@mjg59: Just in case you were wondering whether Techrights was at some level devoted to justice, @schestowitz has decided t… https://t.co/GPPVX7b6k3 | Nov 13 22:17 | |
| schestowitz | and in such a toxic way that people who don't even click are led to think I'm pro-rape or something | Nov 13 22:17 |
| DaemonFC[m] | <schestowitz "mjg59 publicly painted me there "> He seems like a Buffalo Bill to me. | Nov 13 22:17 |
| CrystalMath | mjg59, that nick sounds strangely familiar | Nov 13 22:17 |
| CrystalMath | is this Matthew Garrett? | Nov 13 22:17 |
| schestowitz | friend of the cancel culturists | Nov 13 22:17 |
| schestowitz | they pick up targets | Nov 13 22:17 |
| schestowitz | then try to cancel them | Nov 13 22:17 |
| mjg59 | schestowitz: So, did I link to an article you reposted, or did I link to an article you wrote? | Nov 13 22:17 |
| schestowitz | while picking salaries from monopolies | Nov 13 22:17 |
| schestowitz | and he's here in IRC to dig dirt | Nov 13 22:18 |
| CrystalMath | i mostly remember his outrageous article about how we should make software proprietary instead of free | Nov 13 22:18 |
| schestowitz | over a month, found nothing | Nov 13 22:18 |
| DaemonFC[m] | <schestowitz "and he's here in IRC to dig dirt"> Good. Fuck him. | Nov 13 22:18 |
| schestowitz | oh, that's rapoe | Nov 13 22:19 |
| schestowitz | *rape | Nov 13 22:19 |
| schestowitz | watch out | Nov 13 22:19 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Lol | Nov 13 22:19 |
| schestowitz | Sage and Matt will now say we use the F word | Nov 13 22:19 |
| schestowitz | #CancelTechrights (!!!!) | Nov 13 22:19 |
| schestowitz | buy google ads | Nov 13 22:19 |
| schestowitz | oh, sorry | Nov 13 22:19 |
| schestowitz | no need to buy | Nov 13 22:19 |
| schestowitz | mjg59 can ask his employer, gratis | Nov 13 22:19 |
| schestowitz | #CancelTechrights | Nov 13 22:20 |
| DaemonFC[m] | He's probably far too distracted putting Grindr on the hotel touchpad to be a real menace. | Nov 13 22:20 |
| schestowitz | like they did Ted T | Nov 13 22:20 |
| schestowitz | picking something from like 15 years ago when he brought up rape accusation stats | Nov 13 22:20 |
| schestowitz | HOW DARE HE??? | Nov 13 22:20 |
| schestowitz | "pervert!!" | Nov 13 22:21 |
| schestowitz | Ted had more spine than Greg K-H | Nov 13 22:21 |
| schestowitz | who gives the middle finger to the camera | Nov 13 22:21 |
| schestowitz | very professional | Nov 13 22:21 |
| schestowitz | Ted T still opposed the exFAT agenda in the kernel | Nov 13 22:21 |
| schestowitz | to be overruled by Microsoft apologists like Greg K-H | Nov 13 22:21 |
| schestowitz | Whose salary was partly supplied by Microsoft for half a decade | Nov 13 22:22 |
| CrystalMath | https://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/52907.html?thread=1961643#cmt1961643 | Nov 13 22:22 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-mjg59.dreamwidth.org | mjg59 | Do we need to rethink what free software is? | Nov 13 22:22 | |
| CrystalMath | this is my comment | Nov 13 22:22 |
| CrystalMath | ah, 2019, good old times | Nov 13 22:22 |
| schestowitz | He also participated in ousting RMS | Nov 13 22:23 |
| schestowitz | who is less rude than him | Nov 13 22:23 |
| CrystalMath | i think i was nice in that comment | Nov 13 22:23 |
| schestowitz | hours after the media distracted from Gates' MIT scandal | Nov 13 22:23 |
| schestowitz | pedophilia first degree connection | Nov 13 22:23 |
| schestowitz | he wrote about "post-RMS" | Nov 13 22:23 |
| schestowitz | as if RMS was already dead man walking | Nov 13 22:23 |
| schestowitz | to start the discussion | Nov 13 22:24 |
| schestowitz | then the media left alone the Epstein-Gates scandal | Nov 13 22:24 |
| CrystalMath | my opinion stands, that developers of software should not be allowed to dictate how their software is used; if copyright law allows that, then copyright law is evil | Nov 13 22:24 |
| schestowitz | RMS lost his 'home' (for 40 year) | Nov 13 22:24 |
| mjg59 | schestowitz: Did I link to an article you wrote or to an article you reposted? | Nov 13 22:24 |
| mjg59 | This seems like a very simple question | Nov 13 22:24 |
| schestowitz | the one I wrote, but you did not quote me, you misrepresented what I said | Nov 13 22:24 |
| schestowitz | typical twitter trolling | Nov 13 22:25 |
| schestowitz | to cause anger | Nov 13 22:25 |
| schestowitz | lynch-mobbing | Nov 13 22:25 |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/2020/06/08/twitter-cancel-culture/ | Nov 13 22:25 |
| schestowitz | like this | Nov 13 22:25 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Social Control Media: Where ‘Cancel Culture’ Thrives | Techrights | Nov 13 22:25 | |
| schestowitz | you start with a falsehood | Nov 13 22:25 |
| schestowitz | people get angry | Nov 13 22:25 |
| CrystalMath | schestowitz: well look, i don't believe for a second that you're an actual rape apologist | Nov 13 22:25 |
| DaemonFC[m] | <mjg59 "This seems like a very simple qu"> Also known as JAQing off. | Nov 13 22:25 |
| schestowitz | people "share" (retweet) | Nov 13 22:25 |
| mjg59 | schestowitz: So when you said "and for merely reposting an article where someone objectively shows discreet debian emails", was that true? | Nov 13 22:25 |
| schestowitz | more people get angry | Nov 13 22:25 |
| schestowitz | and nobody even knows the facts, they just get angry | Nov 13 22:25 |
| schestowitz | like Sarah Mei posting fake photos | Nov 13 22:25 |
| schestowitz | or a fake sign on RMS door | Nov 13 22:26 |
| schestowitz | she never removed those defamatory tweets | Nov 13 22:26 |
| schestowitz | because her goal wasn't to tell facts | Nov 13 22:26 |
| CrystalMath | schestowitz: someone did write that, i think the deception was the idea that RMS wrote that (it's not his handwriting) | Nov 13 22:26 |
| schestowitz | it's sabotage | Nov 13 22:26 |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/2020/09/10/the-fake-door-sign/ | Nov 13 22:27 |
| CrystalMath | and it sounds more like a joke poking fun at RMS than anything else | Nov 13 22:27 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The Fake ‘Door Sign’ Used to Frame Richard Stallman and Misrepresent Him One Year Ago (the Media Never Corrected This Slanderous Allegation) | Techrights | Nov 13 22:27 | |
| schestowitz | apropos SJVN: http://techrights.org/2020/09/10/sjvn-senior-moment/ | Nov 13 22:27 |
| schestowitz | facts don't matter now | Nov 13 22:27 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | One Year Later Steven J. Vaughan-Nichols’ Libel Against Richard Stallman Remains Online and Uncorrected at ZDNet | Techrights | Nov 13 22:27 | |
| schestowitz | and the so-called (calling themselves that!) "social control media" "social justice warriors" use Trumpian tweets | Nov 13 22:27 |
| CrystalMath | honestly i've heard people tell such jokes about RMS at my university back when i was a student | Nov 13 22:27 |
| schestowitz | to rile up their base | Nov 13 22:28 |
| schestowitz | based on falsehoods | Nov 13 22:28 |
| schestowitz | This one is real http://techrights.org/2020/10/12/tribute-to-the-bill/ | Nov 13 22:28 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | When Bill Gates Pays a University Through His Friend Epstein (Sex Trafficker) to Call Buildings After Himself | Techrights | Nov 13 22:28 | |
| CrystalMath | it's not impossible that whoever wrote that on the door sign didn't actually have ill intent | Nov 13 22:28 |
| schestowitz | well, then someone took a photograph | Nov 13 22:29 |
| schestowitz | and many in twitter used that to lie about RMS | Nov 13 22:29 |
| schestowitz | so the damage was done | Nov 13 22:29 |
| schestowitz | and if someone has access to MIR, assume age over 18 | Nov 13 22:29 |
| schestowitz | so assume extreme immaturity | Nov 13 22:29 |
| mjg59 | schestowitz: Was your claim that I was responding to an article you reposted true? | Nov 13 22:29 |
| schestowitz | what kind of 18-80 year old writes this shit on a scholar's door? | Nov 13 22:30 |
| schestowitz | Is this elementary school? Kindergarten? | Nov 13 22:30 |
| CrystalMath | schestowitz: lol, i went to college, i was 18, and lots of people there were super immature | Nov 13 22:30 |
| schestowitz | mjg59: my remark links to a reposted article | Nov 13 22:30 |
| schestowitz | which you distorted | Nov 13 22:30 |
| schestowitz | I meant MIT, not MIR | Nov 13 22:30 |
| schestowitz | it's a typo | Nov 13 22:30 |
| mjg59 | schestowitz: Was your claim that I was responding to an artcile you reposted true? | Nov 13 22:30 |
| schestowitz | my remark links to a reposted article | Nov 13 22:31 |
| schestowitz | if I quote someone and then you quote the quoter, whose is it? | Nov 13 22:31 |
| schestowitz | or by means of citation | Nov 13 22:31 |
| mjg59 | You weren't quoting someone. You were expressing your own opinion of what was written. | Nov 13 22:31 |
| schestowitz | either way, you can state in twitter you were wrong to accuse me of that stance | Nov 13 22:31 |
| mjg59 | I was responding to what you wrote. | Nov 13 22:32 |
| schestowitz | because as your tweet still stands, readers might think I malign rape accusers | Nov 13 22:32 |
| schestowitz | which is totally false BTW | Nov 13 22:32 |
| schestowitz | seeking moral superiority by twisting and inverting people's views is unfair | Nov 13 22:32 |
| schestowitz | RMS called Esptein serial rapist, yet SJVN said he defended Epstein | Nov 13 22:32 |
| schestowitz | and that's what ZDNet still says, even in the headline | Nov 13 22:33 |
| schestowitz | and some fools still trust ZDNet | Nov 13 22:33 |
| schestowitz | later some idiot might cite your tweet | Nov 13 22:33 |
| schestowitz | to build a "case" for "nasty techrights" | Nov 13 22:33 |
| schestowitz | just don't stick signs on maaa dooor' , mkay? | Nov 13 22:34 |
| schestowitz | I knew wikileaks for over a decade | Nov 13 22:35 |
| schestowitz | I spoke to assange many times | Nov 13 22:35 |
| schestowitz | I know how lynch mobs start | Nov 13 22:35 |
| schestowitz | and you're a firestarter, mjg59 | Nov 13 22:35 |
| schestowitz | so be aware | Nov 13 22:35 |
| schestowitz | we're watching your little schemes | Nov 13 22:35 |
| mjg59 | schestowitz: You claimed that Appelbaum was expelled from Tor based on rumours and gossip | Nov 13 22:35 |
| schestowitz | you're not here in irc "for the free cake" | Nov 13 22:35 |
| schestowitz | yes, he was | Nov 13 22:36 |
| schestowitz | but not in those words | Nov 13 22:36 |
| mjg59 | No, he was expelled from Tor based on an internal investigation | Nov 13 22:36 |
| schestowitz | not gossip | Nov 13 22:36 |
| schestowitz | accusations | Nov 13 22:36 |
| schestowitz | some unverified | Nov 13 22:36 |
| mjg59 | Which deemed that the accusations were credible | Nov 13 22:36 |
| schestowitz | and we know debian DAMs misrepresented some accusations | Nov 13 22:36 |
| Ariadne | i find it unlikely that mjg59 is trying to sabotage techrights because Google tells him to do so | Nov 13 22:36 |
| schestowitz | trumped up charges | Nov 13 22:36 |
| schestowitz | didn't say that, either | Nov 13 22:36 |
| schestowitz | that's a straw man argument | Nov 13 22:37 |
| schestowitz | even before Google paid him salary he did that | Nov 13 22:37 |
| schestowitz | and he had loads of employers in recent years | Nov 13 22:37 |
| Ariadne | [15:19:38] <schestowitz> buy google ads | Nov 13 22:37 |
| Ariadne | [15:19:41] <schestowitz> oh, sorry | Nov 13 22:37 |
| Ariadne | [15:19:44] <schestowitz> no need to buy | Nov 13 22:37 |
| Ariadne | [15:19:56] <schestowitz> mjg59 can ask his employer, gratis | Nov 13 22:37 |
| Ariadne | [15:19:59] <schestowitz> #CancelTechrights | Nov 13 22:37 |
| Ariadne | i mean, you kinda did | Nov 13 22:37 |
| schestowitz | he changes employers as often as I change rugs | Nov 13 22:37 |
| schestowitz | Ariadne: that's a joke | Nov 13 22:37 |
| mjg59 | schestowitz: I've had three employers in the past 8 years | Nov 13 22:37 |
| schestowitz | including the hashtag bit | Nov 13 22:37 |
| schestowitz | you limit the number of years | Nov 13 22:38 |
| schestowitz | extend to 12 years | Nov 13 22:38 |
| schestowitz | how many? | Nov 13 22:38 |
| schestowitz | 5? 6? | Nov 13 22:38 |
| mjg59 | 4 | Nov 13 22:38 |
| schestowitz | you only count full time | Nov 13 22:38 |
| schestowitz | I've worked in the same company 10 years | Nov 13 22:38 |
| Ariadne | i don't see why it matters | Nov 13 22:38 |
| mjg59 | I was a PhD student before that | Nov 13 22:38 |
| schestowitz | so even if it was still 4, that's a lot | Nov 13 22:38 |
| schestowitz | average like 2-3 years | Nov 13 22:39 |
| mjg59 | It's really not | Nov 13 22:39 |
| schestowitz | by whose standards? | Nov 13 22:39 |
| schestowitz | people used to work for companies like IBM 30+ years | Nov 13 22:39 |
| mjg59 | And they don't any more | Nov 13 22:39 |
| schestowitz | but that's not even the point | Nov 13 22:39 |
| schestowitz | it's a side issue | Nov 13 22:39 |
| Ariadne | 4 years is pretty standard, 5 to 6 years for phd is not even uncommon (a lot of phd candidates have to work a job) | Nov 13 22:39 |
| schestowitz | shows employment commitment issues | Nov 13 22:39 |
| CrystalMath | personally i think the investigation against Appelbaum was a load of crap | Nov 13 22:39 |
| CrystalMath | people in europe seem to universally believe it's american nonsense | Nov 13 22:40 |
| CrystalMath | at least, the people i talked to | Nov 13 22:40 |
| schestowitz | mjg59: you also mocked Assange based on lies | Nov 13 22:40 |
| CrystalMath | he's doing his PhD in germany, and he gave a talk at LEFFEST '19 | Nov 13 22:40 |
| schestowitz | mjg59: you think the Sweden case wasn't a farce to distract from exposing war crimes? | Nov 13 22:40 |
| Ariadne | knowing some of the people who accused applebaum, i believe their claims to be true | Nov 13 22:40 |
| CrystalMath | Ariadne: one person already admitted it was bullcrap | Nov 13 22:40 |
| Ariadne | i said 'some' | Nov 13 22:40 |
| Ariadne | i did not say i believe all claims to be true | Nov 13 22:41 |
| schestowitz | seems to boil down to drugs and sex | Nov 13 22:41 |
| schestowitz | and maybe even orgies | Nov 13 22:41 |
| schestowitz | which in their own right are not a crime | Nov 13 22:41 |
| schestowitz | not that I defend them | Nov 13 22:41 |
| CrystalMath | i read something about him sleepwalking and touching people while asleep | Nov 13 22:41 |
| schestowitz | but the way this was handled is poor | Nov 13 22:41 |
| Ariadne | i do not assert the legitimacy of claims made by people i do not know either way | Nov 13 22:41 |
| schestowitz | and shows intolerance to the queer community | Nov 13 22:41 |
| schestowitz | we already know about bias against their sexual life/approach | Nov 13 22:42 |
| Ariadne | the queer 'hacker' community is complicated | Nov 13 22:42 |
| schestowitz | and 'tolerant' project were fact to exploit it | Nov 13 22:42 |
| schestowitz | even portraying his fiancee as a victim | Nov 13 22:42 |
| Ariadne | i think it was a reasonable intervention | Nov 13 22:42 |
| schestowitz | which she strongly objected to | Nov 13 22:42 |
| Ariadne | the whole point of that website was to be an intervention | Nov 13 22:42 |
| Ariadne | because in 'hacker' circles, being a narc is considered bad | Nov 13 22:43 |
| Ariadne | snitches get stitches, etc | Nov 13 22:43 |
| CrystalMath | it's ridiculous that you're portraying Appelbaum as some criminal | Nov 13 22:43 |
| schestowitz | anyhoo... | Nov 13 22:43 |
| Ariadne | i'm not portraying applebaum as anything | Nov 13 22:43 |
| mjg59 | CrystalMath: He literally raped people | Nov 13 22:43 |
| schestowitz | he was edgy, he worked on exposing things like NSA crimes | Nov 13 22:43 |
| schestowitz | which were VASTLY less ethical than things he was accused of | Nov 13 22:44 |
| CrystalMath | mjg59: do you have any evidence of that? | Nov 13 22:44 |
| schestowitz | and here he is, still canceled | Nov 13 22:44 |
| mjg59 | CrystalMath: Yes | Nov 13 22:44 |
| mjg59 | I've spoken to multiple people he raped or assaulted | Nov 13 22:44 |
| schestowitz | someone who could do further work with wikileaks and Der Speigel | Nov 13 22:44 |
| CrystalMath | schestowitz: eh? not in europe, he gave talks last december | Nov 13 22:44 |
| Ariadne | i am simply saying that there are incidents involving applebaum where consent was not necessarily granted, which would legally be considered rape | Nov 13 22:44 |
| schestowitz | exposing the state | Nov 13 22:44 |
| schestowitz | notice how journalism about netsec stopped? | Nov 13 22:44 |
| schestowitz | Pompro and Trump threw people in prison for it | Nov 13 22:44 |
| CrystalMath | Ariadne: if you're referring to the one where he was asleep, that's complete bullcrap | Nov 13 22:45 |
| Ariadne | how do you know? were you there? | Nov 13 22:45 |
| CrystalMath | i will definitely die before i believe that nonsense | Nov 13 22:45 |
| CrystalMath | i mean, i'm aware that sexsomnia is an actual disorder, but it sounds like an undisprovable accusation - he can't know that he did it because he's asleep | Nov 13 22:46 |
| Ariadne | having worked in some of the same spaces as applebaum, i can say that the alleged behavior is in line with what i would have expected | Nov 13 22:46 |
| CrystalMath | *he was asleep | Nov 13 22:46 |
| Ariadne | but either way, debating this is not really productive for any of us | Nov 13 22:46 |
| CrystalMath | sure, i'm just glad that Appelbaum is safe here in europe, away from idiotic americans | Nov 13 22:46 |
| Ariadne | software freedom is not advanced by debating whether or not applebaum was "cancelled" | Nov 13 22:46 |
| Ariadne | i rather focus on the actual meat and potatoes issues myself | Nov 13 22:47 |
| schestowitz | he was degraded, and I think without proper consideration to various factors | Nov 13 22:47 |
| schestowitz | including the relationship he had with people | Nov 13 22:47 |
| mjg59 | He was degraded because he raped people | Nov 13 22:47 |
| schestowitz | some of the allegations boiled down to unwanted approaches | Nov 13 22:47 |
| schestowitz | or hitting on women/men | Nov 13 22:47 |
| schestowitz | which is no crime | Nov 13 22:47 |
| mjg59 | No, but rape is | Nov 13 22:47 |
| schestowitz | CoC makes that more of an issues | Nov 13 22:47 |
| schestowitz | "unwanted advances" and all | Nov 13 22:48 |
| schestowitz | you can get kicked from events you paid for if you ask a woman out | Nov 13 22:48 |
| mjg59 | I feel like you're kind of ignoring the "He raped people" thing here | Nov 13 22:48 |
| schestowitz | mjg59: you said "raped or assaulted" | Nov 13 22:48 |
| schestowitz | from what I read, it's narcotics in the mix | Nov 13 22:48 |
| mjg59 | Yes | Nov 13 22:48 |
| Ariadne | rape is a crime, and some of the people who had testimonials on that website described privately to me that things happened to them that they did not agree with, which would be considered rape if prosecution were sought | Nov 13 22:49 |
| Ariadne | it is what it is | Nov 13 22:49 |
| schestowitz | where rape starts to mean things like, two stones people having sex | Nov 13 22:49 |
| schestowitz | and then someone getting angry about it | Nov 13 22:49 |
| schestowitz | RMS remarked on "assault" | Nov 13 22:49 |
| mjg59 | One of the people I've spoken to was merely sexually assaulted by him, not raped | Nov 13 22:49 |
| schestowitz | where something like a kiss, unwanted kiss, gets described as "assault" | Nov 13 22:49 |
| schestowitz | so we need less generic terms | Nov 13 22:49 |
| Ariadne | yes, RMS has shitty views on sex too | Nov 13 22:49 |
| schestowitz | he does | Nov 13 22:50 |
| schestowitz | but nothing criminal | Nov 13 22:50 |
| schestowitz | it's all thoughtcrime | Nov 13 22:50 |
| schestowitz | we cancel people based on mere views | Nov 13 22:50 |
| mjg59 | schestowitz: Non-consensual touching of someone's sexual organs | Nov 13 22:50 |
| CrystalMath | Ariadne: i read the testimonials on that site, it seemed to be split between serious and frivolous accusations | Nov 13 22:50 |
| schestowitz | that's "assault" by modern definitions | Nov 13 22:50 |
| CrystalMath | Ariadne: and one really kooky conspiracy theory about him secretly working for the NSA | Nov 13 22:50 |
| schestowitz | but assault you can see in police videos | Nov 13 22:50 |
| Ariadne | CrystalMath: that is actually intentional | Nov 13 22:50 |
| schestowitz | where they punch people | Nov 13 22:50 |
| schestowitz | I call that groping | Nov 13 22:51 |
| Ariadne | CrystalMath: the people who put that site up did not want him to be prosecuted | Nov 13 22:51 |
| schestowitz | and it's not legal | Nov 13 22:51 |
| schestowitz | albeit nowhere as serious as punching a person in the face | Nov 13 22:51 |
| schestowitz | battering | Nov 13 22:51 |
| Ariadne | CrystalMath: so you mix in bogus accusations with legitimate ones | Nov 13 22:51 |
| Ariadne | CrystalMath: jacobapplebaum.com was intended for an audience of one | Nov 13 22:51 |
| CrystalMath | Ariadne: i've never heard of people using lies to tell the truth | Nov 13 22:51 |
| schestowitz | that Microsoft-based attack site | Nov 13 22:52 |
| schestowitz | lots of anons | Nov 13 22:52 |
| mjg59 | schestowitz: You seem to keep focusing on anything other than "he raped people" | Nov 13 22:52 |
| schestowitz | that's how lynch mobs thrive | Nov 13 22:52 |
| CrystalMath | Ariadne: i mean, that is really crazy, because i based my opinion that Appelbaum is good on the fact that there are lies on that page | Nov 13 22:52 |
| schestowitz | innuendo, calling groping "assault or rape" etc. | Nov 13 22:52 |
| schestowitz | Than adding quantity | Nov 13 22:52 |
| Ariadne | the intention of the people who made that site was not to "cancel" applebaum or have a "lynch mob" | Nov 13 22:52 |
| schestowitz | gish gallop | Nov 13 22:52 |
| Ariadne | they wanted applebaum to fuck off | Nov 13 22:52 |
| schestowitz | And then he cannot properly respond to each in turn | Nov 13 22:52 |
| Ariadne | this is how the "hacker" / "infosec" world does shit | Nov 13 22:52 |
| schestowitz | the gosh gallop quantity/quality spiel | Nov 13 22:52 |
| schestowitz | like the charges against Assange | Nov 13 22:53 |
| Ariadne | because they don't want to involve the "feds" | Nov 13 22:53 |
| schestowitz | or against Aarson Swartz, esp. the second time around | Nov 13 22:53 |
| CrystalMath | Ariadne: yes but don't you see how misleading that can be? | Nov 13 22:53 |
| schestowitz | legalese gish gallop | Nov 13 22:53 |
| CrystalMath | Ariadne: if i see a bullcrap story on a website i will assume they're all bullcrap | Nov 13 22:53 |
| schestowitz | [22:52] <mjg59> schestowitz: You seem to keep focusing on anything other than "he raped people" | Nov 13 22:53 |
| Ariadne | again, that is the intention | Nov 13 22:53 |
| schestowitz | Ted T wrote about this | Nov 13 22:53 |
| CrystalMath | Ariadne: it's how i know someone is telling the truth - they're consistent in telling the truth | Nov 13 22:53 |
| Ariadne | the website was meant to be an intervention | Nov 13 22:53 |
| schestowitz | and received flak for it | Nov 13 22:53 |
| CrystalMath | Ariadne: okay i'm just shocked | Nov 13 22:54 |
| schestowitz | I don't want to repeat what Shape attacked him for | Nov 13 22:54 |
| schestowitz | but rape can be classified | Nov 13 22:54 |
| Ariadne | the people who made that site do not give a flying fuck either way whether anyone on this channel believes the site or not | Nov 13 22:54 |
| schestowitz | like I said, having sex between two drunk/stone people can be "rape" in retrospect | Nov 13 22:54 |
| Ariadne | that wasn't the point | Nov 13 22:54 |
| schestowitz | so the details do matter | Nov 13 22:54 |
| CrystalMath | Ariadne: okay i see... but why even make it public, then? | Nov 13 22:54 |
| schestowitz | not talking about spiked drinks btw, or date-raping | Nov 13 22:54 |
| Ariadne | because radical transparency is part of how that subculture does things | Nov 13 22:55 |
| schestowitz | based on leaks | Nov 13 22:55 |
| schestowitz | leaked evidence | Nov 13 22:55 |
| schestowitz | nsa docs | Nov 13 22:55 |
| schestowitz | US cables | Nov 13 22:55 |
| schestowitz | not some X told Y that Z got rapes | Nov 13 22:55 |
| Ariadne | what they wanted was for applebaum to step back and get his shit together | Nov 13 22:55 |
| schestowitz | that's not radical transparency | Nov 13 22:55 |
| schestowitz | mjg59 already did that several times | Nov 13 22:55 |
| Ariadne | i literally know people involved in that site | Nov 13 22:55 |
| schestowitz | said he spoke to anon and anon and anon about person X | Nov 13 22:56 |
| Ariadne | and i'm telling you what their motives were | Nov 13 22:56 |
| CrystalMath | Ariadne: okay but it definitely sounds like a way to get people to either believe it blindly and hate Appelbaum, or do research, find some nonsense, and then hate the creators of the website | Nov 13 22:56 |
| schestowitz | and this isn't transparency | Nov 13 22:56 |
| mjg59 | schestowitz: X, Y and Z told Tor that Jake raped them | Nov 13 22:56 |
| schestowitz | it's rumour-milling | Nov 13 22:56 |
| Ariadne | CrystalMath: yes, and they do not care about that | Nov 13 22:56 |
| schestowitz | which is what Zini (Debian Account Manager) did | Nov 13 22:56 |
| DaemonFC[m] | He wants us to believe that people are so dumb they'll just listen to him, but then he proves that isn't so by coming here and needlessly trolling to validate himself. | Nov 13 22:56 |
| schestowitz | to create a bunch of false sentences and spread these in major publications | Nov 13 22:56 |
| schestowitz | like BBC and NYTimes | Nov 13 22:56 |
| mjg59 | schestowitz: As a result, he was fired | Nov 13 22:56 |
| DaemonFC[m] | He's an incredibly insecure whining little man who is very unpleasant, and I don't know why you don't just get rid of him now. | Nov 13 22:57 |
| CrystalMath | DaemonFC[m]: well if schestowitz did that, he'd have to explain why he didn't get of me :P | Nov 13 22:57 |
| CrystalMath | *get rid of | Nov 13 22:57 |
| Ariadne | personally i find mjg59's insight on many topics valuable | Nov 13 22:57 |
| schestowitz | to be clear: 1) I do not defend Appelbaum in general | Nov 13 22:57 |
| schestowitz | 2) my view is that some people did not base accusations based on verifiable facts | Nov 13 22:58 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's not bad enough that he feels victimized personally, but he gets off on it to the point where he has to feel offended and victimized on the behalf of others, which is sick. | Nov 13 22:58 |
| CrystalMath | Ariadne: do you believe that users deserve freedom 0? | Nov 13 22:58 |
| Ariadne | CrystalMath: yes | Nov 13 22:58 |
| schestowitz | 3) some deliberately distorted what they had been told (we have HARD evidence of this, a DAM email to the media) | Nov 13 22:58 |
| mjg59 | schestowitz: Tor did not fire Jake based on rumours or gossip | Nov 13 22:58 |
| CrystalMath | Ariadne: okay then what do you make of mjg59's article that we should make software proprietary and restrict uses | Nov 13 22:58 |
| schestowitz | Had a judge taken on the case, at least SOME of the evidence would be thrown out | Nov 13 22:58 |
| schestowitz | as misleading or inadmissible | Nov 13 22:58 |
| DaemonFC[m] | In fact, I think a psychiatrist would be in order, but then again, that seems to be the case for many of the people RMS allowed to corrode the Free Software Movement (and Foundation). | Nov 13 22:58 |
| schestowitz | hearsay is weakest form of evidence | Nov 13 22:59 |
| schestowitz | esp. anonymous | Nov 13 22:59 |
| schestowitz | see the Scottish case of Alex Salmond | Nov 13 22:59 |
| schestowitz | tossed out | Nov 13 22:59 |
| mjg59 | schestowitz: Where's the hearsay in this case? | Nov 13 22:59 |
| schestowitz | many alleged victims, coordinating among themselves and with media | Nov 13 22:59 |
| schestowitz | damage done | Nov 13 22:59 |
| Ariadne | schestowitz: as i explained to you several times, Tor did not fire applebaum based on hearsay. their HR person hired an independent investigator to look into the allegations. | Nov 13 22:59 |
| schestowitz | acquittal not helping him anymore | Nov 13 22:59 |
| schestowitz | then they charged people who defended him | Nov 13 23:00 |
| schestowitz | Craig Murray for instance/notably | Nov 13 23:00 |
| schestowitz | many parallels between those cases | Nov 13 23:00 |
| DaemonFC[m] | And regarding the rape fixation, it's interesting that it always comes from people who mainly enjoy sexual congress with themselves. | Nov 13 23:00 |
| Ariadne | and the Tor HR investigation was happening *prior* to that website going live | Nov 13 23:00 |
| schestowitz | the court reaches the conclusion that it did | Nov 13 23:00 |
| Ariadne | applebaum was going to be fired regardless | Nov 13 23:00 |
| Ariadne | one of the reasons they put that site up | Nov 13 23:00 |
| Ariadne | was because they were concerned about retaliation | Nov 13 23:00 |
| schestowitz | [22:59] <mjg59> schestowitz: Where's the hearsay in this case? | Nov 13 23:01 |
| schestowitz | Evidence has to meet standards | Nov 13 23:01 |
| schestowitz | X told me Y about Z is weak | Nov 13 23:01 |
| schestowitz | need to take it up a notch | Nov 13 23:01 |
| mjg59 | Yes. That wasn't what happened here. | Nov 13 23:01 |
| Ariadne | that's not what happened though | Nov 13 23:01 |
| schestowitz | then admit the evidence | Nov 13 23:01 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They really don't want Tor to succeed, which makes me wonder if the allegations were part of a government plot to discredit Tor and ruin it. | Nov 13 23:01 |
| Ariadne | tor hired an independent firm to investigate | Nov 13 23:01 |
| Ariadne | the independent firm found the allegations credible | Nov 13 23:01 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Each time they went after someone they unmasked on Tor, it turned out the software worked pretty well and they didn't want to admit that they came up emptyhanded other than tricking people one at a time. | Nov 13 23:02 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So they quietly drop charges. | Nov 13 23:02 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: that would requite evidence >> "V" | Nov 13 23:02 |
| schestowitz | "which makes me wonder if the allegations were part of a government plot to discredit Tor and ruin it. " | Nov 13 23:02 |
| schestowitz | *require | Nov 13 23:02 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They want people to be terrified that it's unsafe to use but they don't want you to know precisely why. | Nov 13 23:02 |
| schestowitz | [23:01] <Ariadne> tor hired an independent firm to investigate | Nov 13 23:02 |
| schestowitz | oh please | Nov 13 23:02 |
| schestowitz | like MIT did | Nov 13 23:02 |
| Ariadne | they did | Nov 13 23:02 |
| schestowitz | they hire the people who suit their outcome | Nov 13 23:02 |
| Ariadne | a legit firm | Nov 13 23:02 |
| Ariadne | no | Nov 13 23:02 |
| schestowitz | otherwise they won't be hired again | Nov 13 23:03 |
| schestowitz | MIT did the same | Nov 13 23:03 |
| CrystalMath | Ariadne: like a private detective? | Nov 13 23:03 |
| schestowitz | after Gates had bribed MIT via Epstein | Nov 13 23:03 |
| Ariadne | the firm they hired was a legitimate HR investigation firm | Nov 13 23:03 |
| Ariadne | not some fly by night lawyer like trump has | Nov 13 23:03 |
| schestowitz | and the findings supported the sponsor of the "independent firm" | Nov 13 23:03 |
| CrystalMath | and what did they do? just ask people and take their word for it? | Nov 13 23:03 |
| schestowitz | Same re Aaron Swartz | Nov 13 23:03 |
| mjg59 | schestowitz: There are literal first person accounts of Jake's behaviour available. That's literally not hearsay. | Nov 13 23:03 |
| schestowitz | MIT is hiring 'analysts' and 'consultants' | Nov 13 23:03 |
| schestowitz | for the veneer of "not coverup" | Nov 13 23:03 |
| Ariadne | mjg59: yes, sworn to the tor lawyers under penalty of perjury | Nov 13 23:04 |
| schestowitz | [23:03] <Ariadne> the firm they hired was a legitimate HR investigation firm | Nov 13 23:04 |
| schestowitz | paid by...? | Nov 13 23:04 |
| Ariadne | paid by TOR | Nov 13 23:04 |
| schestowitz | aha | Nov 13 23:04 |
| schestowitz | exactly | Nov 13 23:04 |
| schestowitz | thank you | Nov 13 23:04 |
| Ariadne | to provide an impartial investigation | Nov 13 23:04 |
| schestowitz | so-called | Nov 13 23:04 |
| Ariadne | it would be in TOR's interest to disprove the claims | Nov 13 23:04 |
| schestowitz | they are always so impartial | Nov 13 23:04 |
| Ariadne | would it not? | Nov 13 23:04 |
| schestowitz | that's their biz model | Nov 13 23:04 |
| Ariadne | they fired their star coder after all | Nov 13 23:04 |
| schestowitz | and when they're impartial the 'wrong way' they go bust | Nov 13 23:05 |
| CrystalMath | Ariadne: perhaps they could not disprove the claims, but the claims could still be wrong | Nov 13 23:05 |
| CrystalMath | after all, nobody has a time machine to go back in time to see what happened | Nov 13 23:05 |
| CrystalMath | if you talk to people, expect to be lied to | Nov 13 23:05 |
| schestowitz | “Analysts sell out - that’s their business model… But they are very concerned that they never look like they are selling out, so that makes them very prickly to work with.” -Microsoft http://techrights.org/wp-content/uploads/2008/08/comes-3096.pdf | Nov 13 23:05 |
| CrystalMath | hence why they should have hired a detective | Nov 13 23:05 |
| schestowitz | Same for PIs | Nov 13 23:05 |
| Ariadne | CrystalMath: they did | Nov 13 23:05 |
| schestowitz | and for those so-called auditors | Nov 13 23:05 |
| Ariadne | well, they hired an auditor | Nov 13 23:06 |
| schestowitz | they paid for the VENEER of independence | Nov 13 23:06 |
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| Ariadne | but that process produced sworn affidavits which were vetted | Nov 13 23:06 |
| CrystalMath | Ariadne: someone should have investigated whether the people who made the claims received money from the NSA | Nov 13 23:06 |
| mjg59 | CrystalMath: They didn't | Nov 13 23:06 |
| Ariadne | applebaum was not just fired because some people on the internet said some stuff | Nov 13 23:06 |
| schestowitz | behind the scenes those jokers even laugh at themselves, knowing they're just glorified shills/PR | Nov 13 23:06 |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/2020/01/10/gates-sponsored-mit/ | Nov 13 23:06 |
| Ariadne | tor was looking to *debunk* the claims | Nov 13 23:06 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Massachusetts Institute of Tall Tales (MIT) Covers Up Bill Gates Bribery of MIT Through a High-Profile Pedophile, Citing No Evidence Other Than Representatives of Gates Himself | Techrights | Nov 13 23:06 | |
| Ariadne | because they did not want to fire applebaum | Nov 13 23:06 |
| schestowitz | Ariadne: so they said | Nov 13 23:06 |
| schestowitz | look who took over afterwards | Nov 13 23:07 |
| Ariadne | why would you not take them at their word at that? | Nov 13 23:07 |
| schestowitz | I don't want to remark with names in | Nov 13 23:07 |
| Ariadne | applebaum was tor's main architect | Nov 13 23:07 |
| mjg59 | schestowitz: You're maligning the investigation absed on zero evidence, which seems ironic | Nov 13 23:07 |
| schestowitz | Tor has not been the same since, neither was wikileaks | Nov 13 23:07 |
| Ariadne | firing him would be a huge loss for the project | Nov 13 23:07 |
| schestowitz | and Tor fired loads of devs this year/last year | Nov 13 23:07 |
| CrystalMath | Ariadne: maybe these allegations made him a problem for the project | Nov 13 23:07 |
| Ariadne | and it has been | Nov 13 23:07 |
| schestowitz | [23:07] <Ariadne> firing him would be a huge loss for the project | Nov 13 23:07 |
| Ariadne | this conversation is giving me a headache, you guys are going in circles chasing fallacies | Nov 13 23:07 |
| schestowitz | maybe undermining tor was someone's goal too | Nov 13 23:07 |
| schestowitz | not everyone's goal | Nov 13 23:08 |
| schestowitz | we had a managed until months ago | Nov 13 23:08 |
| schestowitz | they fired her | Nov 13 23:08 |
| schestowitz | she bullied some of us | Nov 13 23:08 |
| schestowitz | made fake claims about me | Nov 13 23:08 |
| CrystalMath | Ariadne: no i'm not 100% sure he's innocent for example, but i'm defending him, idk if that makes me the devil's advocate or just a regular advocate | Nov 13 23:08 |
| schestowitz | she destroyed our company | Nov 13 23:08 |
| schestowitz | we survived because she was fired | Nov 13 23:08 |
| schestowitz | sometimes people who manage orgs undermind them | Nov 13 23:08 |
| schestowitz | sometimes partly by inetntion | Nov 13 23:08 |
| Ariadne | CrystalMath: you're allowed to have whatever opinion you want regarding the validity of the claims | Nov 13 23:08 |
| schestowitz | you know it | Nov 13 23:08 |
| CrystalMath | Ariadne: because i don't know if he's guilty, i'm just providing the much needed defense, which would otherwise be silent | Nov 13 23:08 |
| schestowitz | and mostly likely you saw such bosses firsthand | Nov 13 23:09 |
| CrystalMath | Ariadne: it's bad if everyone's constantly saying the same things | Nov 13 23:09 |
| Ariadne | i'm just saying that his firing is not as schestowitz characterizes | Nov 13 23:09 |
| schestowitz | so I'm not easily buying the idea Tor FOUGHT to KEEP Jake Appelbaum | Nov 13 23:09 |
| CrystalMath | Ariadne: someone needs to say the contrary, or we will never achieve understanding | Nov 13 23:09 |
| Ariadne | why would they not fight to keep applebaum? | Nov 13 23:09 |
| schestowitz | some did, maybe higher up there were demands to shame the project and remove him | Nov 13 23:09 |
| Ariadne | applebaum was a key person in tor | Nov 13 23:09 |
| CrystalMath | Ariadne: right and that's not a bad argument, although what if they were afraid that people would avoid tor because of allegations even if they are false?> | Nov 13 23:09 |
| Ariadne | please explain this theory | Nov 13 23:09 |
| schestowitz | [23:09] <Ariadne> applebaum was a key person in tor | Nov 13 23:10 |
| schestowitz | maybe some people near/inside tor want the project to 1) fail | Nov 13 23:10 |
| schestowitz | 2) change | Nov 13 23:10 |
| Ariadne | if they wanted to fire applebaum | Nov 13 23:10 |
| schestowitz | 3) want the power vacuum | Nov 13 23:10 |
| Ariadne | they would have just fired him | Nov 13 23:10 |
| Ariadne | they wouldn't have hired an outside firm to investigate | Nov 13 23:10 |
| schestowitz | they can advantage their own career in his absence | Nov 13 23:10 |
| Ariadne | you only do that when you're looking to keep someone | Nov 13 23:10 |
| schestowitz | sometimes companies fire their best people | Nov 13 23:10 |
| mjg59 | schestowitz: You can assert that the accusations made against Jake were not credible if you want to, but that doesn't change the fact that he was fired in response to first person accusations | Nov 13 23:10 |
| schestowitz | because they're perceived as threat to the management | Nov 13 23:11 |
| schestowitz | either replacing those managers or something else | Nov 13 23:11 |
| CrystalMath | Ariadne: but consider this possibility... your lead developer has been accused of some things, there's no way to prove one way or the other, but if you keep him your PR goes down, what do you do? | Nov 13 23:11 |
| mjg59 | schestowitz: If I claim that something happened to me, that's not a rumour. It's not gossip. | Nov 13 23:11 |
| Ariadne | mjg59: first person accusations that were vetted by lawyers, even | Nov 13 23:11 |
| schestowitz | [23:11] <mjg59> schestowitz: If I claim that something happened to me, that's not a rumour. It's not gossip. | Nov 13 23:11 |
| schestowitz | I know no names | Nov 13 23:11 |
| schestowitz | I know Agora something | Nov 13 23:11 |
| schestowitz | pseudonyms | Nov 13 23:11 |
| schestowitz | and I don't know the nature of that particular case | Nov 13 23:12 |
| Ariadne | CrystalMath: if you're tor, you say it is an intellgence community hoax | Nov 13 23:12 |
| schestowitz | it needs to be handled one at a time | Nov 13 23:12 |
| schestowitz | it's a gish gallop and disorientates | Nov 13 23:12 |
| Ariadne | and then it blows over in a week | Nov 13 23:12 |
| CrystalMath | Ariadne: would that really be smart? randomly blame someone else? | Nov 13 23:12 |
| CrystalMath | *that would | Nov 13 23:12 |
| Ariadne | yes, absolutely | Nov 13 23:12 |
| mjg59 | schestowitz: Why does you knowing or not knowing names affect whether or not something was a rumour? | Nov 13 23:12 |
| mjg59 | It influences whether you, personally, find the accusations credible | Nov 13 23:13 |
| mjg59 | But it doesn't change their nature | Nov 13 23:13 |
| mjg59 | Several people made direct accusations against Jake | Nov 13 23:13 |
| mjg59 | Maybe you don't believe them! | Nov 13 23:13 |
| schestowitz | fear of retaliation seems weak in this case | Nov 13 23:13 |
| schestowitz | as we know the full names of both Assange's accusers | Nov 13 23:14 |
| Ariadne | uhh | Nov 13 23:14 |
| mjg59 | But that doesn't make those accusations a "rumour" or "gossip" | Nov 13 23:14 |
| schestowitz | whose 'case' was pretty much rejected | Nov 13 23:14 |
| Ariadne | fear of retaliation with jake is not weak | Nov 13 23:14 |
| schestowitz | but not before years of dragging Assange through media mud | Nov 13 23:14 |
| schestowitz | Trump had many women publicly reveal themselves | Nov 13 23:14 |
| Ariadne | applebaum used to ddos people for arguing with him on rc | Nov 13 23:14 |
| Ariadne | irc* | Nov 13 23:14 |
| schestowitz | and his base is FFFAAAAAR scarier than anything tor -related | Nov 13 23:14 |
| CrystalMath | Ariadne: idk, it sounds a little too simple to me... so they would pay for an investigation to see if Appelbaum is guilty, but they would just JUMP to the conclusion that the NSA did it? | Nov 13 23:15 |
| Ariadne | CrystalMath: that's not what i am saying | Nov 13 23:15 |
| schestowitz | [23:14] <Ariadne> applebaum used to ddos people for arguing with him on rc | Nov 13 23:15 |
| schestowitz | never heard that before | Nov 13 23:15 |
| schestowitz | interesting if true | Nov 13 23:15 |
| schestowitz | and not some winnuke.exe when he was a teen | Nov 13 23:15 |
| Ariadne | his entire MO was to intimidate other infosec people | Nov 13 23:15 |
| schestowitz | we all did that as teens, to one another | Nov 13 23:15 |
| Ariadne | to get what he wanted | Nov 13 23:15 |
| schestowitz | thought it was funny | Nov 13 23:15 |
| schestowitz | you can get ip over irc | Nov 13 23:16 |
| CrystalMath | Ariadne: there was a story like that on "the website", but the guy who wrote it admitted he lied | Nov 13 23:16 |
| schestowitz | ddos is intimidation? | Nov 13 23:16 |
| Ariadne | yes, that's why i IRC from my colo | Nov 13 23:16 |
| CrystalMath | and removed the story | Nov 13 23:16 |
| schestowitz | I'd say ddos is being an arse if they know he's the one doing it | Nov 13 23:16 |
| schestowitz | ddos would not dry their cpu | Nov 13 23:16 |
| schestowitz | *fry | Nov 13 23:16 |
| Ariadne | CrystalMath: there's plenty of people who will gladly say jacob ddosed them | Nov 13 23:17 |
| schestowitz | their pc? | Nov 13 23:17 |
| Ariadne | like spend 5 minutes on infosec twitter | Nov 13 23:17 |
| Ariadne | schestowitz: like their internet connection, to make it inoperable | Nov 13 23:17 |
| CrystalMath | was he a teen when he did this? | Nov 13 23:18 |
| schestowitz | there's no "infosec twitter", but there are tweets | Nov 13 23:18 |
| schestowitz | some of the tweets are even sponsored fakes | Nov 13 23:18 |
| schestowitz | to portray purveyors of back doors as defenders of security | Nov 13 23:18 |
| CrystalMath | *when he allegedly did this | Nov 13 23:18 |
| Ariadne | he has done it as an adult lmfao | Nov 13 23:18 |
| CrystalMath | idk that sounds pretty immature | Nov 13 23:18 |
| schestowitz | I was win-nuked a lot | Nov 13 23:18 |
| Ariadne | schestowitz: when i say "infosec twitter" i mean "the large group of twitter users who are infosec people" | Nov 13 23:18 |
| schestowitz | when I was 'adult' at 15 or so | Nov 13 23:18 |
| schestowitz | windows 95 days | Nov 13 23:18 |
| schestowitz | and I had to reboot | Nov 13 23:19 |
| schestowitz | that makes me a victim of attacks, I suppose. My mates in my IM lists nuked me... for shits and giggles | Nov 13 23:19 |
| schestowitz | Ariadne: many are posers | Nov 13 23:19 |
| schestowitz | many also anonymous | Nov 13 23:19 |
| Ariadne | yeah no, i am talkng volumetric udp floods | Nov 13 23:19 |
| schestowitz | and many with sponsored "tweets" | Nov 13 23:19 |
| schestowitz | without disclosure | Nov 13 23:20 |
| Ariadne | not some winnuke crap | Nov 13 23:20 |
| schestowitz | how long ago was that? | Nov 13 23:20 |
| schestowitz | iirc, he's younger than me | Nov 13 23:20 |
| Ariadne | like 2014, 2015 | Nov 13 23:20 |
| schestowitz | udp is barely used much anymore | Nov 13 23:20 |
| schestowitz | never saw even claims of it, but I may take your word for it | Nov 13 23:20 |
| CrystalMath | was there anyone in 2014 who had a public IP address? | Nov 13 23:21 |
| Ariadne | i assure you udp flooding is alive and well | Nov 13 23:21 |
| schestowitz | udp floods | Nov 13 23:21 |
| schestowitz | I saw worse | Nov 13 23:21 |
| CrystalMath | i mean that was the time where CGNAT was a thing | Nov 13 23:21 |
| CrystalMath | but IPv6 not really | Nov 13 23:21 |
| schestowitz | the people exposed by wikileaks took the whole of SYRIA offline! | Nov 13 23:21 |
| schestowitz | bricking theitr routers | Nov 13 23:21 |
| CrystalMath | i couldn't tell you my public IP even if i wanted to, since it's not really mine, it's my ISP's exit node, i'm in a CGNAT | Nov 13 23:21 |
| CrystalMath | it was the same in 2014 | Nov 13 23:21 |
| schestowitz | wikileaks also exposed aggressive violent rapes | Nov 13 23:21 |
| schestowitz | by US soldiers | Nov 13 23:22 |
| schestowitz | but let's focus on Assange having a "morning second round" with no condom | Nov 13 23:22 |
| Ariadne | cool | Nov 13 23:22 |
| mjg59 | Strong whataboutism energy | Nov 13 23:22 |
| Ariadne | schestowitz: assange said he was using a condom and did not, that is a crime in sweden | Nov 13 23:22 |
| schestowitz | you also took on Assange | Nov 13 23:22 |
| schestowitz | you should thank assANGE | Nov 13 23:22 |
| schestowitz | as a self-described "justice warriors" | Nov 13 23:23 |
| Ariadne | schestowitz: because the consent was predicated on condom usage | Nov 13 23:23 |
| schestowitz | he exposed the worst kinds of criminals | Nov 13 23:23 |
| CrystalMath | Assange is a hero | Nov 13 23:23 |
| Ariadne | yes | Nov 13 23:23 |
| schestowitz | people who behead and put on cranes homosexuals | Nov 13 23:23 |
| schestowitz | yet here we are | Nov 13 23:23 |
| schestowitz | talking to a canceled of Assange | Nov 13 23:23 |
| Ariadne | it is possible to do a lot of good things and also do a fucked up things too | Nov 13 23:23 |
| Ariadne | it is the human condition | Nov 13 23:23 |
| schestowitz | who travels to Knightsbridge to mock Assange with a sign outside the embassy | Nov 13 23:23 |
| CrystalMath | okay, so you have accepted that everyone is bad? | Nov 13 23:23 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The landlord asked why I preferred to use the post office money orders. | Nov 13 23:24 |
| Ariadne | i have accepted that people can and do make mistakes | Nov 13 23:24 |
| CrystalMath | then we can only look at the good - bad difference | Nov 13 23:24 |
| Ariadne | and unfortunately, sometimes those mistakes are crimes | Nov 13 23:24 |
| CrystalMath | i heard Assange misgender Chelsea Manning | Nov 13 23:24 |
| CrystalMath | it was disappointing to hear | Nov 13 23:24 |
| CrystalMath | but he's still a hero | Nov 13 23:24 |
| schestowitz | a lot of the world is relativism | Nov 13 23:24 |
| schestowitz | so you focus on the lesser offense | Nov 13 23:24 |
| schestowitz | to malign the accuser | Nov 13 23:24 |
| mjg59 | schestowitz: Simple question - was Jake fired by Tor because of rumours and gossip? | Nov 13 23:24 |
| schestowitz | or whistleblower | Nov 13 23:24 |
| CrystalMath | Ariadne: honestly, we should not be so big on punishing people left and right | Nov 13 23:25 |
| schestowitz | Assange "conspired" | Nov 13 23:25 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I told him it gives the post office some money, which sticks Trump in the eye, my bank charges so much for checks that it's not worth it, and that if anyone commits fraud, it's the Postal Inspection Service that investigates. | Nov 13 23:25 |
| Ariadne | i think rape is not a 'lesser' offense | Nov 13 23:25 |
| schestowitz | espionage act | Nov 13 23:25 |
| schestowitz | Daniel Pocock is "trolling" | Nov 13 23:25 |
| Ariadne | CrystalMath: we should not, HINCE why they made that website as an intervention attempt | Nov 13 23:25 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Those Postal Inspection police do not fuck around. Steve Bannon and Brian Kolfage found that out. | Nov 13 23:25 |
| CrystalMath | Ariadne: i don't think that was equal to a rape where someone grabs someone and forces sexual activity | Nov 13 23:25 |
| schestowitz | just ignored $300,000 cheques from Google | Nov 13 23:25 |
| CrystalMath | Ariadne: i'm still talking about Assange | Nov 13 23:25 |
| schestowitz | and initimation of GSOC/Outreachy interns | Nov 13 23:25 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Assange will get what's coming to him. | Nov 13 23:25 |
| Ariadne | CrystalMath: sweden defines rape as any non-consenting sex act | Nov 13 23:25 |
| schestowitz | because Pocock is "a troll" | Nov 13 23:26 |
| schestowitz | 20 years doing SIP | Nov 13 23:26 |
| schestowitz | suddenly a "troll" | Nov 13 23:26 |
| CrystalMath | Ariadne: still, it's not always the same, even if it's all rape | Nov 13 23:26 |
| schestowitz | 20 years of "good cover" | Nov 13 23:26 |
| schestowitz | for a "troll" | Nov 13 23:26 |
| Ariadne | CrystalMath: its still fucked up regardless | Nov 13 23:26 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Honestly, he should have probably double timed it to get to Russia or something, like Snowden did. | Nov 13 23:26 |
| Ariadne | if you tell your partner you're using a condom and then you don't | Nov 13 23:26 |
| CrystalMath | Ariadne: but again, not the same, there's both worse and better things | Nov 13 23:26 |
| Ariadne | that is fucked up | Nov 13 23:26 |
| Ariadne | and in sweden, that is a criminal offense | Nov 13 23:27 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: you're just angry because fo 2016 | Nov 13 23:27 |
| schestowitz | focus on all the other leaks | Nov 13 23:27 |
| schestowitz | he helped you | Nov 13 23:27 |
| schestowitz | vault7 2017 | Nov 13 23:27 |
| schestowitz | march 7th iirc | Nov 13 23:27 |
| Ariadne | idk if vault7 actually helped us | Nov 13 23:27 |
| schestowitz | more proof that a lot of privacy stuff is snakeoil and oure junk | Nov 13 23:27 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Trump alone is unforgivable. | Nov 13 23:27 |
| CrystalMath | Ariadne: again, i don't believe that mild crime should be punished the same as a serious crime | Nov 13 23:27 |
| schestowitz | *pire | Nov 13 23:27 |
| Ariadne | there's a lot of script kiddies who took that malware and made ransomware out of t | Nov 13 23:27 |
| schestowitz | *pure even | Nov 13 23:27 |
| CrystalMath | Ariadne: it's not justice | Nov 13 23:28 |
| schestowitz | [23:27] <Ariadne> idk if vault7 actually helped us | Nov 13 23:28 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The damage that asshole did is never going to be fixed. | Nov 13 23:28 |
| schestowitz | oh, right, let's defend back doors | Nov 13 23:28 |
| CrystalMath | Ariadne: it's in fact incredibly unjust | Nov 13 23:28 |
| schestowitz | maybe it helped the US | Nov 13 23:28 |
| schestowitz | at the imperialist level/sense | Nov 13 23:28 |
| CrystalMath | Ariadne: punishing Assange the same as an actual rapist would be incredibly unjust, and i hope it doesn't happen for that reason | Nov 13 23:28 |
| DaemonFC[m] | We already knew that the government created backdoors and weaponized vulnerabilities beyond what Microsoft and Apple put in for them. | Nov 13 23:28 |
| Ariadne | schestowitz: i'm not defending backdoors, but software vulnerabilties are not "back doors" | Nov 13 23:28 |
| CrystalMath | Ariadne: now, did he do *something*, maybe | Nov 13 23:28 |
| schestowitz | nice to be able to commit espionage and extort people in OTHER nations | Nov 13 23:28 |
| schestowitz | power aphrodisiacs | Nov 13 23:28 |
| schestowitz | [23:28] <Ariadne> schestowitz: i'm not defending backdoors, but software vulnerabilties are not "back doors" | Nov 13 23:29 |
| Ariadne | CrystalMath: the swedes gave up on prosecution anyway | Nov 13 23:29 |
| schestowitz | bug doors | Nov 13 23:29 |
| CrystalMath | Ariadne: i'm not sure that that's not just a trick to get back at him for revealing all the crimes of the states of the world | Nov 13 23:29 |
| schestowitz | and weaponised, with complicity from vendors at times | Nov 13 23:29 |
| mjg59 | schestowitz: You seem to be wandering quite far off the point here | Nov 13 23:29 |
| CrystalMath | Ariadne: really, we should be looking at governments with far more mistrust and disdain than we are | Nov 13 23:29 |
| CrystalMath | Ariadne: ALL governments | Nov 13 23:29 |
| Ariadne | sure | Nov 13 23:30 |
| schestowitz | we can all agree there's motivation to "put their heads on stakes" (to use the words of Trumbannon) | Nov 13 23:30 |
| CrystalMath | Ariadne: i mean they are the worst criminals, so who are they to say Assange did anything wrong? | Nov 13 23:30 |
| schestowitz | and so the selective enforcement in the under-the-belt department does raise questions | Nov 13 23:30 |
| Ariadne | CrystalMath: i do not care about the criminal prosecution, i care about the woman who assange bullshitted about condom usage | Nov 13 23:30 |
| schestowitz | notice how they did the same to Daniel Ellsberg | Nov 13 23:30 |
| CrystalMath | Ariadne: how is Sweden so morally high, when they are members of NATO, and themselves guilty of countless rapes and murders in Iraq? | Nov 13 23:31 |
| Ariadne | it's a simple question | Nov 13 23:31 |
| schestowitz | Ariadne: let's arrest a man for that, to spite what wikileaks exposed | Nov 13 23:31 |
| Ariadne | do you think it is fucked up that assange told his date that he used a condom when he did not? | Nov 13 23:31 |
| schestowitz | she later boasted abnout him | Nov 13 23:31 |
| schestowitz | she also said she was "choked" [sic] (shocked) about the charges | Nov 13 23:32 |
| schestowitz | and before that she said she really wanted him | Nov 13 23:32 |
| schestowitz | didn't bother her until a Swedish tabloid offered her lots of cash | Nov 13 23:32 |
| schestowitz | (now she's a he apparently) | Nov 13 23:32 |
| Ariadne | sure, we can agree that there was likely chicanery involved here | Nov 13 23:32 |
| mjg59 | Continuing not to answer the question | Nov 13 23:32 |
| schestowitz | (so it's inevitable someone might pull a CoC and said I said something wrong in the pronoun sense) | Nov 13 23:33 |
| Ariadne | but yes, anyway | Nov 13 23:33 |
| CrystalMath | the question was about Appelbaum i think? | Nov 13 23:33 |
| Ariadne | do you think it is fucked up that assange told his date that he used a condom when he did not? | Nov 13 23:33 |
| CrystalMath | Ariadne: yes | Nov 13 23:33 |
| Ariadne | ok, good | Nov 13 23:33 |
| *schestowitz doesn't think she minded being impregnated, considering her SMS messages | Nov 13 23:34 | |
| schestowitz | (worried about STDs) | Nov 13 23:34 |
| schestowitz | and him being tested and all | Nov 13 23:34 |
| CrystalMath | schestowitz: well... i don't know if this person said anything about that, and you don't know if this person had some form of birth control | Nov 13 23:34 |
| Ariadne | it is possible to oppose criminal prosecution while at the same time not agreeing with the prosecuted action | Nov 13 23:34 |
| schestowitz | BTW, condoms don't guarantee protection from STDs, far from it | Nov 13 23:34 |
| CrystalMath | Ariadne: of course, but my point that not all bad things are equal; it's far worse to be a serial killer who raped and killed 100 people | Nov 13 23:35 |
| Ariadne | anyway, schestowitz hasn't answered either question | Nov 13 23:35 |
| CrystalMath | *is that | Nov 13 23:35 |
| schestowitz | the whole diversion of the discussion from war crimes to latex is part of the intention | Nov 13 23:35 |
| Ariadne | CrystalMath: sure | Nov 13 23:35 |
| schestowitz | we're talking about a mm-thin piece of latex | Nov 13 23:35 |
| schestowitz | not millions of dead people | Nov 13 23:35 |
| schestowitz | and leaks that show criminal intent | Nov 13 23:35 |
| CrystalMath | Ariadne: therefore the US army in iraq is a far worse criminal than Assange could even have the theoretical capability of being | Nov 13 23:36 |
| Ariadne | sure, but that is irrelevant here | Nov 13 23:36 |
| schestowitz | Swedish standards in that regard aren't even applicable in many countries | Nov 13 23:36 |
| schestowitz | (not saying it's just or unjust) | Nov 13 23:36 |
| schestowitz | Ariadne: it is relevant | Nov 13 23:36 |
| Ariadne | no, it is offtopc | Nov 13 23:37 |
| mjg59 | Ok, I'm just going to note that Dr Schestowitz refuses to say that it's fucked up to tell your partner that you're wearing a condom when you're not | Nov 13 23:37 |
| Ariadne | offtopic* | Nov 13 23:37 |
| schestowitz | Ariadne: take pocock for instance | Nov 13 23:37 |
| schestowitz | some people wrongly accuse him of some serious crimes | Nov 13 23:37 |
| schestowitz | based on fabrications and distortions | Nov 13 23:37 |
| schestowitz | that's to distract from the real scandal | Nov 13 23:37 |
| schestowitz | and he's rightly upset about that being done | Nov 13 23:37 |
| Ariadne | so cover the real scandal? | Nov 13 23:38 |
| schestowitz | both by debian and fsfe | Nov 13 23:38 |
| schestowitz | they're red-faced | Nov 13 23:38 |
| schestowitz | they looked for revenge on him | Nov 13 23:38 |
| schestowitz | which they partly got, undermining his career | Nov 13 23:38 |
| Ariadne | some advice -- when you waste your time defending bullshit, you get neck deep in bullshit | Nov 13 23:38 |
| schestowitz | no | Nov 13 23:38 |
| schestowitz | when you expose power | Nov 13 23:38 |
| schestowitz | you have BS come your way | Nov 13 23:38 |
| schestowitz | story for you, Ariadne | Nov 13 23:38 |
| Ariadne | yes, and if you stick on topic, they will come for you directly | Nov 13 23:38 |
| schestowitz | I started proper advocacy around 2003 | Nov 13 23:38 |
| schestowitz | within years I had reeeealy nasty attacks on me | Nov 13 23:38 |
| Ariadne | whch means their resources are now split | Nov 13 23:38 |
| schestowitz | people posting in my name | Nov 13 23:39 |
| schestowitz | saying I had cut off my bits | Nov 13 23:39 |
| schestowitz | painting me as nazi etc. | Nov 13 23:39 |
| schestowitz | really, really horrible things | Nov 13 23:39 |
| schestowitz | to provoke me | Nov 13 23:39 |
| schestowitz | and all I did was name facts | Nov 13 23:39 |
| schestowitz | for that alone | Nov 13 23:39 |
| schestowitz | you think you get no pushback? | Nov 13 23:39 |
| schestowitz | Try it | Nov 13 23:39 |
| schestowitz | when you become effective they throw aNYTHING at you | Nov 13 23:39 |
| schestowitz | and then you waste time, like in this case, having to confront career "trolls" like mjg59 | Nov 13 23:40 |
| mjg59 | Like the fact that you refuse to say that lying about whether you're wearing a condom is bad | Nov 13 23:40 |
| schestowitz | supposedly friend of FS | Nov 13 23:40 |
| schestowitz | got an award | Nov 13 23:40 |
| schestowitz | from the people who may have also wanted RMS removed | Nov 13 23:40 |
| schestowitz | and now he publcily wants to portray me as "rape" something | Nov 13 23:40 |
| schestowitz | never got close to any sexual misappropriaties | Nov 13 23:41 |
| schestowitz | I didn't even have many girlfriends | Nov 13 23:41 |
| schestowitz | but then comes some total idiot like mjg59 | Nov 13 23:41 |
| schestowitz | throwing shittweets | Nov 13 23:41 |
| schestowitz | shitposting things | Nov 13 23:41 |
| schestowitz | to soil the name of a site | Nov 13 23:41 |
| schestowitz | not accusing it of being wrong | Nov 13 23:41 |
| schestowitz | or lying | Nov 13 23:41 |
| schestowitz | or inaccurate | Nov 13 23:41 |
| schestowitz | but painting that site as some sort of pro-rape thing | Nov 13 23:42 |
| schestowitz | this is what they did to wikileaks | Nov 13 23:42 |
| schestowitz | I wasn't born yesterday | Nov 13 23:42 |
| schestowitz | I saw things | Nov 13 23:42 |
| schestowitz | I even told my wife, many times, wait until they fabricate something | Nov 13 23:42 |
| mjg59 | This would be amazing set to the Downfall video | Nov 13 23:42 |
| schestowitz | something to do with 'Sex" | Nov 13 23:42 |
| schestowitz | mjg59 was the moment I said, you gotta look at this!! | Nov 13 23:42 |
| schestowitz | mjg59 first | Nov 13 23:42 |
| schestowitz | then another person | Nov 13 23:42 |
| schestowitz | and they build up the stigma | Nov 13 23:42 |
| schestowitz | that's twitter | Nov 13 23:43 |
| schestowitz | and it's boiling down to what? | Nov 13 23:43 |
| Ariadne | you realize i spent 3 years documenting security vulnerabilities in Mastodon, right? | Nov 13 23:43 |
| schestowitz | Zini lying about something someone emailed him | Nov 13 23:43 |
| Ariadne | people on Mastodon SWATed me and called me a nazi and shit as a result | Nov 13 23:43 |
| CrystalMath | i don't think schestowitz actually did anything wrong really, he's right that we shouldn't be focusing on the bad side of people who did incredibly good things; that doesn't mean to not even question the things they do, but still, to acknowledge the good they did | Nov 13 23:43 |
| Ariadne | but, surprisingly, i came out of it unscathed because it was all BS | Nov 13 23:43 |
| schestowitz | to make Appelbaum look like more than a monster than he might have been (I think he's a pervert, but it's stil, wrong to trump things up) | Nov 13 23:43 |
| mjg59 | schestowitz: Was Jake fired by Tor because of rumours and gossip? | Nov 13 23:44 |
| schestowitz | Ariadne: they did | Nov 13 23:44 |
| schestowitz | good | Nov 13 23:44 |
| schestowitz | so you understand me | Nov 13 23:44 |
| schestowitz | and can relate | Nov 13 23:44 |
| mjg59 | schestowitz: Was Jake expelled from Debian because of rumours and gossip? | Nov 13 23:44 |
| schestowitz | hope you 'stood your ground' (metaphor) and responded | Nov 13 23:44 |
| CrystalMath | i didn't even know he was expelled from debian at all | Nov 13 23:44 |
| schestowitz | (not to trolls) | Nov 13 23:44 |
| Ariadne | (i left Pleroma because i did not wish to work with TERFs) | Nov 13 23:44 |
| CrystalMath | i didn't even know he was in the debian project | Nov 13 23:44 |
| mjg59 | Answer: No, it was on the basis of first hand accounts | Nov 13 23:44 |
| schestowitz | Ariadne: I once looked up your name | Nov 13 23:44 |
| schestowitz | ended up in imposter site | Nov 13 23:44 |
| schestowitz | painting you as a terror sympathiser, using your own name | Nov 13 23:45 |
| Ariadne | that is because i defended a freenode staffer's reputation | Nov 13 23:45 |
| schestowitz | so you know the way these things go | Nov 13 23:45 |
| Ariadne | yes, but i will willingly say it is fucked up to lie about condom use | Nov 13 23:45 |
| schestowitz | [23:44] <mjg59> schestowitz: Was Jake fired by Tor because of rumours and gossip? | Nov 13 23:45 |
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| schestowitz | Not the point I was addressing | Nov 13 23:45 |
| schestowitz | I cited the article by Pocock | Nov 13 23:45 |
| CrystalMath | okay i don't believe for one second that Ariadne is a terror sympathizer | Nov 13 23:46 |
| schestowitz | it was a viral article showing hard proof about one particular allegation | Nov 13 23:46 |
| schestowitz | and it was raw and clear... Zini had lied | Nov 13 23:46 |
| schestowitz | Enrico didn't do this by mistake | Nov 13 23:46 |
| mjg59 | schestowitz: You wrote "Something similar happened to Jacob Appelbaum" | Nov 13 23:46 |
| schestowitz | he had motivations | Nov 13 23:46 |
| schestowitz | and it worked | Nov 13 23:46 |
| Ariadne | what mjg59 is saying is that you brought applebaum into it when you didn't need to do so | Nov 13 23:47 |
| Ariadne | and so he finds that suspect | Nov 13 23:47 |
| schestowitz | [23:45] <Ariadne> yes, but i will willingly say it is fucked up to lie about condom use | Nov 13 23:47 |
| schestowitz | iirc, he joked | Nov 13 23:47 |
| schestowitz | "I'm wearing you" | Nov 13 23:47 |
| schestowitz | in response to question like, "are you wearing a condom" | Nov 13 23:47 |
| schestowitz | in Sweden they called it "sex by surprise" | Nov 13 23:47 |
| Ariadne | christfuck | Nov 13 23:48 |
| schestowitz | not sure of the swedish word, they have one-word things for flightshame and stuff... like german | Nov 13 23:48 |
| schestowitz | but the condom thing was an alternative narrative | Nov 13 23:48 |
| schestowitz | as if, she was ok with 'morning sex' (pardon the nsfw lansuage) | Nov 13 23:48 |
| schestowitz | but the condom wearing was the accusation | Nov 13 23:48 |
| Ariadne | is it fucked up to lie about condom use or not | Nov 13 23:48 |
| schestowitz | which made her "choked" [sic] later | Nov 13 23:48 |
| schestowitz | because she didn't think it would lead to police charges | Nov 13 23:49 |
| schestowitz | she likes Julian | Nov 13 23:49 |
| schestowitz | before and after | Nov 13 23:49 |
| schestowitz | *liked | Nov 13 23:49 |
| CrystalMath | i think they're asking for your opinion on the hypothetical idea of lying about wearing a condom | Nov 13 23:49 |
| Ariadne | this is like when trump was asked to denounce the proud boys | Nov 13 23:49 |
| schestowitz | there's evidence of it | Nov 13 23:49 |
| schestowitz | photographs and SMS | Nov 13 23:49 |
| Ariadne | you're trying to justify something i didn't ask about | Nov 13 23:49 |
| CrystalMath | i'm pretty sure this is just a misunderstanding | Nov 13 23:49 |
| schestowitz | here we are having 'latex talk' | Nov 13 23:49 |
| schestowitz | she didn't contract STD | Nov 13 23:49 |
| schestowitz | or get pregnant | Nov 13 23:50 |
| Ariadne | that's still not the question i asked | Nov 13 23:50 |
| schestowitz | and meanwhile we have a world where 10k die per day from covid | Nov 13 23:50 |
| schestowitz | and there's a serial rapist (trump) playing golf to the tune of it | Nov 13 23:50 |
| schestowitz | while blackmailing chinese companies for microsoft to cheapen them and steal | Nov 13 23:50 |
| CrystalMath | i... think they're just asking for your opinion on the hypothetical idea of lying about wearing a condom | Nov 13 23:50 |
| Ariadne | ^ | Nov 13 23:50 |
| schestowitz | CrystalMath: right | Nov 13 23:51 |
| schestowitz | well, I answered before | Nov 13 23:51 |
| Ariadne | where? | Nov 13 23:51 |
| schestowitz | in many countries it would not be a crime | Nov 13 23:51 |
| schestowitz | if consensual sex | Nov 13 23:51 |
| Ariadne | that's not what i asked | Nov 13 23:51 |
| schestowitz | Ariadne: most countries | Nov 13 23:51 |
| Ariadne | i asked if you think it is fucked up to lie about condom use or not | Nov 13 23:51 |
| Ariadne | i did not ask if iit was legal or not | Nov 13 23:52 |
| schestowitz | in case you didn't notice, in many countries you can even kill people for having the 'wrong' kind of sex | Nov 13 23:52 |
| schestowitz | or for wanting it | Nov 13 23:52 |
| schestowitz | thoughtcrime | Nov 13 23:52 |
| schestowitz | in terms of sex, in some countries men marry kids | Nov 13 23:52 |
| Ariadne | i live in a country where it is legal for someone to kill me and claim they were scared of me because i'm transgender | Nov 13 23:52 |
| schestowitz | and it's fucked up | Nov 13 23:52 |
| CrystalMath | i believe the question was about your opinion on its morality, notwithstanding the relativity of morality across cultures | Nov 13 23:52 |
| Ariadne | but yes, what CrystalMath said | Nov 13 23:52 |
| schestowitz | if you consider her attitude towards him, they were in a relationship | Nov 13 23:53 |
| Ariadne | you're still contextualizing | Nov 13 23:53 |
| schestowitz | and some policemen would be inattentive towards claims of unwanted sex from husband | Nov 13 23:53 |
| schestowitz | unless violence was involved | Nov 13 23:53 |
| schestowitz | not 'emotional violence' | Nov 13 23:53 |
| schestowitz | but actual physical violence | Nov 13 23:53 |
| mjg59 | Ok let's try this the other way | Nov 13 23:54 |
| schestowitz | in her case, with the condom, it's problematic cause they were more or less in a relationship | Nov 13 23:54 |
| mjg59 | schestowitz: Is it perfectly reasonable to lie about whether or not you're wearing a condom | Nov 13 23:54 |
| schestowitz | so he police might say "balance or probabilities" | Nov 13 23:54 |
| schestowitz | and "we have more urgent issues to deal with down in those cities where 'gangs' burn up cars and hurl grenades into homes" | Nov 13 23:55 |
| schestowitz | mjg59: no | Nov 13 23:55 |
| schestowitz | but whether to prosecute for it or not if a case needing inquiry | Nov 13 23:55 |
| schestowitz | same for littering, a lesser crime | Nov 13 23:55 |
| schestowitz | even if you litter 10 times in a row | Nov 13 23:56 |
| mjg59 | schestowitz: So it it fucked up to lie about whether you're wearing a condom? | Nov 13 23:56 |
| CrystalMath | Ariadne: is that the ridiculously named panic defense? | Nov 13 23:56 |
| schestowitz | because the victim of the crime is not the same as "some" | Nov 13 23:56 |
| Ariadne | CrystalMath: yes | Nov 13 23:56 |
| schestowitz | in this case, a couple in a relationship | Nov 13 23:56 |
| schestowitz | fee-dodging in a train likewise | Nov 13 23:56 |
| Ariadne | needless to say, that is one of many reasons i am looking forward to being in NL as soon as possible :) | Nov 13 23:56 |
| schestowitz | or kids sending nudes to each other | Nov 13 23:56 |
| schestowitz | "unwanted nudes" | Nov 13 23:56 |
| schestowitz | yes,criminalise kids, that'll help | Nov 13 23:57 |
| CrystalMath | schestowitz: doesn't britain do that specifically? | Nov 13 23:57 |
| schestowitz | "What are you in for? | Nov 13 23:57 |
| schestowitz | " | Nov 13 23:57 |
| schestowitz | put them in prison, that's where they might ACTUALLY get rapes | Nov 13 23:57 |
| schestowitz | *raped | Nov 13 23:57 |
| schestowitz | by other inmates or wards | Nov 13 23:57 |
| Ariadne | the odds of prison rape are actually astronomically low | Nov 13 23:58 |
| schestowitz | CrystalMath: not sure, not following those things | Nov 13 23:58 |
| schestowitz | they mean nothing to me, never took any sexualised pictures, was never dumb enough to do that ever | Nov 13 23:58 |
| schestowitz | (apparently many do or did that) | Nov 13 23:58 |
| CrystalMath | schestowitz: i know because RMS mentioned that people under 16 can be arrested for having nudes of themselves in the UK, which is ridiculous | Nov 13 23:59 |
| schestowitz | Ariadne: but the damage of even one incident is vast... can leak to suicide | Nov 13 23:59 |
| Ariadne | anyway, needless to say schestowitz and i have a lot of disagreements on various topics | Nov 13 23:59 |
| mjg59 | schestowitz: If you're trying to argue that the carceral state is a bad thing then I'm not going to disagree | Nov 13 23:59 |
| Ariadne | main reason i manage his servers is because he pisses off the EPO which is pretty great | Nov 13 23:59 |
| schestowitz | all people do | Nov 13 23:59 |
| Ariadne | (: | Nov 13 23:59 |
| schestowitz | all people disagree on some things | Nov 13 23:59 |
| schestowitz | mjg59: Turning is a good example | Nov 13 23:59 |
| schestowitz | prison or suicide | Nov 13 23:59 |
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