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schestowitzAriadne: pleroma site and fr still not online, I hope the backup he said he had recovered are still workableDec 13 00:28
schestowitzcan wait, just hope he didn't lose all the data.Dec 13 00:28
Ariadnei'm putting together a 486 machine for playing simtowerDec 13 00:38
schestowitzwow, nostalgiaDec 13 00:41
MinceR:)Dec 13 00:41
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DaemonFC[m]Well, this Microsoft Edge on Chromium thing is the realization, sort of, of something I said about 20 years ago.Dec 13 03:26
DaemonFC[m]I said if Microsoft can't do better than Internet Explorer, they should just use Mozilla because it's open source.Dec 13 03:27
schestowitzthey make proprietaryDec 13 03:27
schestowitzon top of FakeFOSS(R)Dec 13 03:28
search_socialmicrosoft is indeed using mozillaDec 13 03:28
search_socialin more ways than oneDec 13 03:28
DaemonFC[m]The whole Edge thing is an admission that they had no pull anyway. They could implement anything they want in their browser, but with 4-5% they can't compel anyone to adopt it.Dec 13 03:28
schestowitzmany browsers are on 'phones' nowDec 13 03:28
schestowitzso that's a lot of stuff out of their reachDec 13 03:28
DaemonFC[m]Instead of dicking around trying to adapt EdgeHTML to behave like Chromium, why not just fire a bunch of people and turn Edge into this Hannibal Lecter thing. Chromium with a different face.Dec 13 03:28
DaemonFC[m]The funniest part was when Microsoft complained on a blog that Google was sabotaging them deliberately.Dec 13 03:29
DaemonFC[m]Like, doing some sort of invisible overlay frame on Youtube videos so that Edge's hardware acceleration would misbehave. Dec 13 03:29
DaemonFC[m]Google meant to cause them to do this. It can still implement anything it wants in Chromium and now Microsoft is just along for the ride. Dec 13 03:30
DaemonFC[m]<schestowitz "so that's a lot of stuff out of "> Yeah, except they do Edge on Android and iOS to sync with Edge on Windows.Dec 13 03:31
DaemonFC[m]So they try to draw people to Edge by having a port to those platforms.Dec 13 03:31
schestowitzwho uses this?Dec 13 03:31
schestowitzexcept you..Dec 13 03:31
DaemonFC[m]Fedora KDE developers.Dec 13 03:31
DaemonFC[m] 13 03:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Goodbye CentOS, hello Rocky Linux | ZDNetDec 13 03:32
DaemonFC[m]650 potential contributors.Dec 13 03:32
DaemonFC[m]Oracle Linux might be freeware, but it has no community and it doesn't want one.Dec 13 03:32
DaemonFC[m]So that announcement was ridiculous.Dec 13 03:33
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: They sent me some Solaris stuff but never the Linux discs.Dec 13 03:33
DaemonFC[m]I was running Solaris on some systems back when Sun was opening it up.Dec 13 03:33
DaemonFC[m]Surprisingly, the installation and functionality of OpenSolaris on those systems was pretty good.Dec 13 03:35
schestowitz[03:31] <DaemonFC[m]> Fedora KDE developers.Dec 13 03:35
schestowitz'Developers'Dec 13 03:35
DaemonFC[m]I've never actually gotten BSD to work properly on anything.Dec 13 03:35
schestowitzthe ones you mentioned don't seem to be developersDec 13 03:35
DaemonFC[m]You never know. The CEO uses a Mac.Dec 13 03:35
DaemonFC[m]Hard pressure on employees to use Google stuff instead of the stuff that had been working just fine for years.Dec 13 03:36
DaemonFC[m]When something is in "the cloud" and they shut it down or change it, you are screwed if it doesn't work the way you need it to anymore.Dec 13 03:36
schestowitzthe old CODec 13 03:37
schestowitzCEODec 13 03:37
schestowitzthe new one is likely on GNU/Linux Dec 13 03:37
schestowitzPaulDec 13 03:37
DaemonFC[m]Things took a bad turn at Red Hat when they brought in a CEO that had no FOSS background at all.Dec 13 03:37
DaemonFC[m]Former airline executive.Dec 13 03:37
DaemonFC[m]It started a comedy of errors that peaked with them being scrapped for parts for IBM.Dec 13 03:38
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: Intel has been rapidly updating their graphics drivers. Dec 13 03:39
DaemonFC[m]I had Windows 10 hard freeze on me during Fallout New Vegas.Dec 13 03:39
Ariadne 13 03:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | AWS Marketplace: Alpine Linux with DockerDec 13 03:39
Ariadnewelcome to the next level of FOSS griftDec 13 03:39
DaemonFC[m]There's a lot of conflicts with this program even though it was built for Windows and they'll still sell you a copy.Dec 13 03:39
DaemonFC[m]No interest in going back and fixing things I guess.Dec 13 03:39
search_socialAriadne: why is it grift to offer a linux image when selling a cloud instanceDec 13 03:40
Ariadnethat person is selling something that is being given away for freeDec 13 03:41
Ariadnethere is no such thing as an alpine licenseDec 13 03:41
DaemonFC[m]They dumbed down Fallout 4 a lot.Dec 13 03:41
DaemonFC[m]They farmed out New Vegas to Obsidian.Dec 13 03:42
Ariadneif they were burning alpine ISOs to a CD and shipping it out that's one thingDec 13 03:42
search_socialthey aren't selling alpine they are selling a cloud instanceDec 13 03:42
search_socialand offering to install alpine on it for youDec 13 03:42
Ariadneamazon is selling the instanceDec 13 03:42
Ariadnethere are official alpine images for amazon instances that are freeDec 13 03:43
Ariadneyou're paying $0.50/hr+ to use this alpine image vs the official one which is $0/hrDec 13 03:43
Ariadnethat is why it's grifyDec 13 03:43
Ariadnegrift*Dec 13 03:43
Ariadnehe is taking advantage of people who don't know betterDec 13 03:44
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search_socialwellDec 13 03:54
search_socialat least he's an indepent guyDec 13 03:54
search_socialand not amazon itselfDec 13 03:55
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DaemonFC[m]I get why people would do "cloud" server stuff.Dec 13 04:29
DaemonFC[m]But an office program? Come on.Dec 13 04:29
DaemonFC[m]Compressed on the disk, LibreOffice only uses a couple hundred MB.Dec 13 04:29
DaemonFC[m]I think people miss the point in their reviews of Fallout games.Dec 13 04:32
DaemonFC[m]They complained that there aren't enough monsters in New Vegas out in the wastelands.Dec 13 04:32
DaemonFC[m]That's not the main point.Dec 13 04:32
DaemonFC[m]It's not a run and gun shooter, it's an RPG.Dec 13 04:32
DaemonFC[m]There's an easy and very easy mode, but even on normal it's not a difficult game.Dec 13 04:33
DaemonFC[m]These wireless mice are all pretty janky, I think.Dec 13 04:36
DaemonFC[m]They go into some sort of power management mode to get long battery life and there's a delay in moving the mouse and having the pointer respond if you haven't been using it for a few seconds.Dec 13 04:36
DaemonFC[m]The Logitech one I was using before was worse because the power management in the OS would try to power down the USB port and then the mouse wouldn't respond at all until the computer woke up the port the next time.Dec 13 04:37
search_socialha haDec 13 04:39
search_sociali wonder if they can just keylog the wireless keyboardDec 13 04:40
DaemonFC[m]I just didn't want to tie up a USB port.Dec 13 04:41
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Ariadneschestowitz: 13 05:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | U.S. Schools Are Buying Cellebrite Phone-Hacking TechDec 13 05:09
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scientesAriadne, what do you expect in the land of the free?Dec 13 05:41
scientesThat is the price of freedom, of course.Dec 13 05:42
scientesHow would the US have freedom if it didn't buy it from China? Are you stupid?Dec 13 05:44
search_socialeh this might be a good developmentDec 13 06:02
search_socialteaches kids the improtance of device securityDec 13 06:02
schestowitzAriadne: the GPL allows the selling of it, but legality and morality are different thingsDec 13 06:55
Ariadneschestowitz: yes, but alpine is trademarked and you're not allowed to just use our trademarks like thatDec 13 07:02
*schestowitz did not open the above link, bad domainDec 13 07:03
Ariadneanyway, i've pinged some AWS peopleDec 13 07:04
Ariadneif they don't take it down, i'll just hand it over to alpine legalDec 13 07:05
Ariadnebut that person is making money by selling an outdated alpine image with security holes and not even offering support for itDec 13 07:05
schestowitzthey're not so responsive 13 07:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/ » Blog Archive » Amazon AWS Used for DDOS Attacks Against My Web Sites, Amazon Takes 14 Hours to Reply But Not Take Action (Updatedx5)Dec 13 07:05
Ariadneyes, i suspect they will be more responsive when they hear from our lawyersDec 13 07:06
Ariadne(:Dec 13 07:06
search_socialwouldn't preventing their instances from being used for ddos be like the first thing they coded automatic protection forDec 13 07:12
CrystalMathAriadne: wait, i don't get itDec 13 07:23
CrystalMathAriadne: you're blaming amazon for charging for the use of their server?Dec 13 07:24
schestowitzBTW, Ariadne, I've message href directly a few hours ago in IRCDec 13 07:24
schestowitz*messagedDec 13 07:24
CrystalMaththey're selling the instance - of course, it's time on their machine they're selling, not the softwareDec 13 07:24
schestowitzBad reviewsDec 13 07:25
schestowitz2/5Dec 13 07:25
schestowitzSo not very good support, either, I guessDec 13 07:25
schestowitzThey even use the Alpine logoDec 13 07:25
schestowitzwhich raises more issuesDec 13 07:25
CrystalMathumm, if you can't sell Alpine Linux as it is, it's not free softwareDec 13 07:25
schestowitz"Alpine Linux with Docker" is not "Instance with Alpine Linux and Docker preloaded"Dec 13 07:26
CrystalMathi understand the protection of a trademark in the case of modificationDec 13 07:26
CrystalMathbut verbatim resale?Dec 13 07:26
CrystalMathwhat? do i owe samsung if i want to sell a samsung TV?Dec 13 07:26
CrystalMathbullcrapDec 13 07:26
schestowitzlibreoffice had it done to them in 'Windows Store' IIRCDec 13 07:26
CrystalMathi mean, it's totally okay to sell Alpine LinuxDec 13 07:27
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schestowitzand there was another major project which it was done for, can't recall which one nowDec 13 07:27
CrystalMathas it is, verbatimDec 13 07:27
CrystalMathwhy not?Dec 13 07:27
CrystalMathit's totally okay to sell Debian, Ubuntu, Fedora, etc..Dec 13 07:27
CrystalMathRichard Stallman even says we should use every opportunity, because getting free software out there is something goodDec 13 07:28
schestowitzI forgot who this was done to after libreoffice, maybe krita?Dec 13 07:28
schestowitzOh, notice how WSL vanishedDec 13 07:28
schestowitznobody has mentioned it in over  a monthDec 13 07:29
schestowitzwhen they don't pay for fluff and 'prepared' piece, it barely existsDec 13 07:29
schestowitzthey blew millions on "marketing"Dec 13 07:29
*schestowitz should really remember who this was done to after libreoffice because techrights covered itDec 13 07:31
CrystalMathi don't see any problem with selling free softwareDec 13 07:32
schestowitz 13 07:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | AWS Marketplace: okindevDec 13 07:32
schestowitz"Grafana Alpine Container"Dec 13 07:32
CrystalMathif it shouldn't be sold, someone will undercut it with a free copyDec 13 07:32
schestowitzThat's a better descriptionDec 13 07:32
schestowitzand the logoDec 13 07:33
CrystalMathi would defend the Alpine seller, they did nothing wrongDec 13 07:34
CrystalMathi hope they don't give in to Alpine's bullying, eitherDec 13 07:36
CrystalMathfurthermore, Linux is a trademark as wellDec 13 07:37
CrystalMathif there's anyone who has been worthless here, it's the Alpine development teamDec 13 07:37
CrystalMaththey don't do any of the real work, the projects they package do the real workDec 13 07:38
CrystalMathall they are is a package listDec 13 07:38
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CrystalMathschestowitz: remember that defending free software means defending the right to sell itDec 13 07:47
CrystalMath 13 07:48
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Selling Free Software - GNU Project - Free Software FoundationDec 13 07:48
CrystalMathit's not in ANY shape or form "grift" or "unethical"Dec 13 07:50
CrystalMathcontrolling who can sell your software is unethical!Dec 13 07:50
AriadneCrystalMath: the grift is that this person is representing their software as the official alpine AMIsDec 13 07:59
AriadneCrystalMath: you are paying him $2500 yearly for an outdated image with security holes and zero supportDec 13 07:59
AriadneCrystalMath: i have no objection to people selling alpine, as long as they are doing so in an honest wayDec 13 07:59
Ariadnethis however is just a scamDec 13 08:00
CrystalMathi can sell firefox for $1,000,000Dec 13 08:01
CrystalMatheven 4.0Dec 13 08:01
CrystalMatheven 1.0Dec 13 08:01
Ariadneyes, and if you do so without describing your relationship with firefox, mozilla will sue youDec 13 08:01
CrystalMathon what basis?Dec 13 08:01
CrystalMathi'm not selling my own productDec 13 08:01
CrystalMathi'm selling the verbatim firefox, as it isDec 13 08:02
Ariadneon the basis that you're using their trademarks in an unauthorized wayDec 13 08:02
CrystalMathhow so? it is the real firefoxDec 13 08:02
Ariadneit is, but it is a no longer supported firefox versionDec 13 08:02
Ariadnesomething their trademark policy explicitly disallowsDec 13 08:02
CrystalMathso what? you're trying to say i can't distribute 4.0?Dec 13 08:02
CrystalMathi see no mention of versions in their trademark policyDec 13 08:03
Ariadneok, try it and see what happens to youDec 13 08:03
CrystalMathi'm quite sure i have, not sold, but distributedDec 13 08:04
CrystalMathand i'm quite sure those uploads are still upDec 13 08:04
Ariadneand, finally, the majority of the alpine base system outside of the linux kernel is directly maintained by alpine contributorsDec 13 08:04
CrystalMathi'm quite sure people sell debian 6Dec 13 08:04
Ariadneso really you haven't any idea what you're talking aboutDec 13 08:04
CrystalMathoh wait... debian 6 has a rebranded firefoxDec 13 08:05
CrystalMathbut...Dec 13 08:05
AriadneyesDec 13 08:05
CrystalMathdebian 9 for exampleDec 13 08:05
Ariadnebecause you're not allowed to just do whatever you wantDec 13 08:05
CrystalMathit contains mozilla firefoxDec 13 08:05
AriadneyesDec 13 08:05
CrystalMathdebian was modifying firefoxDec 13 08:05
Ariadnebecause debian made a special agreementDec 13 08:05
Ariadneto backport security updatesDec 13 08:05
Ariadneso even on debian stableDec 13 08:05
CrystalMathactually no, debian stable uses ESRDec 13 08:05
CrystalMathit does not modify itDec 13 08:05
Ariadneyou get security updatesDec 13 08:05
CrystalMaththere's no modifications done to itDec 13 08:06
Ariadneyes, and it is updatedDec 13 08:06
CrystalMathsureDec 13 08:06
Ariadneper mozilla requirementsDec 13 08:06
CrystalMathbut it is the real firefoxDec 13 08:06
CrystalMathand you can sell itDec 13 08:06
CrystalMathas a part of debianDec 13 08:06
Ariadneknock yourself out thenDec 13 08:06
CrystalMatheven though it's not necessarily the latest versionDec 13 08:06
CrystalMatha debian CD pretty much won't have the latest versionDec 13 08:06
AriadnecoolDec 13 08:06
Ariadneanyway, i have no objection to people selling alpine CDsDec 13 08:07
Ariadnewhat i have objection to is people selling alpine images as a subscription and telling people that this is an official alpine thing they are buyingDec 13 08:08
Ariadnethis is called a "scam"Dec 13 08:08
Ariadneif i buy an alpine CD from some linux CD vendor, i understand that i am buying a burned CD from some vendorDec 13 08:08
CrystalMathit is not the real, official alpine linux?Dec 13 08:09
AriadnenoDec 13 08:09
Ariadneit is notDec 13 08:09
CrystalMathso it's modified?Dec 13 08:09
AriadnecorrectDec 13 08:09
CrystalMathhmmDec 13 08:09
CrystalMathokay, they should change the name thenDec 13 08:09
Ariadneit is also outdated and contains numerous CVEsDec 13 08:09
AriadneyeDec 13 08:09
CrystalMaththat doesn't matterDec 13 08:09
AriadnesDec 13 08:09
Ariadnei don't care if the person does this, as long as he makes it clear this is not an official alpine imageDec 13 08:09
CrystalMathi can take alpine linux, name it crapine linux and introduce 1000 more bugsDec 13 08:09
CrystalMathas long as i change every instance of alpine to crapineDec 13 08:10
CrystalMath:PDec 13 08:10
AriadnecorrectDec 13 08:10
Ariadnehowever you don't even have to do thatDec 13 08:10
CrystalMathit would also be hilariousDec 13 08:10
Ariadneyou just have to not represent it as an official alpine imageDec 13 08:10
Ariadne"Joe Bloggs' Alpine Image That Costs $2500 Per Year For No Fucking Reason" is fine with meDec 13 08:11
CrystalMathwell the same seller on AWSDec 13 08:11
CrystalMathsells a Grafana Alpine ImageDec 13 08:11
AriadneyesDec 13 08:11
Ariadnethat is fineDec 13 08:11
CrystalMathand the one above has no priceDec 13 08:11
CrystalMathattached to itDec 13 08:11
Ariadnethat one is $5/month and comes with supportDec 13 08:11
CrystalMathat least in my 90s browser it doesn't appear to have oneDec 13 08:11
Ariadnethere's some other alpine-based containersDec 13 08:11
Ariadnein this case, what they are selling is a clearly modified imageDec 13 08:12
Ariadnethe first image claims to be alpine, and ships with Docker Enterprise EULADec 13 08:12
Ariadneand is modifiedDec 13 08:12
Ariadnethat image is not stock alpine, and is not docker enterpriseDec 13 08:13
Ariadnehowever it is intended to mislead the user into thinking what you get is docker enterprise installed into alpineDec 13 08:13
Ariadneadmittedly i do not work for mirantis, but if i were to gather, this individual is not authorized to resell docker enterprise anywayDec 13 08:14
Ariadneso basically, that image is described as a bundle-o-warez that you can buy for $2500 yearlyDec 13 08:14
schestowitzthe branding is the issue hereDec 13 08:15
schestowitzafaictDec 13 08:15
AriadnecorrectDec 13 08:15
schestowitzbecause it'll tarnisdh your namesDec 13 08:15
schestowitzfireeye will get fire in the eyesDec 13 08:15
Ariadnelike i said, he can do whatever he wantsDec 13 08:15
Ariadneas for fireeye, fuck em :DDec 13 08:15
schestowitzand then you have to explain to media that DB thing is years out of dateDec 13 08:15
schestowitzand not even the fault of alpine but some dodgy person using the brand or misusing itDec 13 08:16
schestowitzlike a clone site called "techrights" saying Michelle Obama is a dudeDec 13 08:16
Ariadne(docker enterprise itself is a customized version of alpine)Dec 13 08:16
Ariadneyou literally download ISO and installDec 13 08:16
Ariadnethough mirantis' alpine enterprise linux offerings are bizzareDec 13 08:17
Ariadnethere's like 5 different products you can buy from themDec 13 08:17
Ariadnesimilarly where i work produces an paid derivative of alpine (again, with a support contract)Dec 13 08:17
schestowitzsame name?Dec 13 08:18
schestowitzprobably marketed as "alpine by x"Dec 13 08:18
CrystalMathCrapine will cost $1,000,000/yr, but as i'm unable to organize a way to pay me, i'll ask my users to forward the money to the charity they HATE the mostDec 13 08:19
CrystalMathi shuold even create a safety database, where the lack of vulnerabilities can be reportedDec 13 08:20
CrystalMathand then patched to introduce a vulnerabilityDec 13 08:20
CrystalMathalso, a feature tracker, to get rid of those pesky features, and request new bugsDec 13 08:21
CrystalMathit'd basically just be an art project about hating alpine linuxDec 13 08:22
Ariadneschestowitz: no.  our version is called NSL (Network Services Linux)Dec 13 08:23
schestowitzsimilar to an army distroDec 13 08:23
Ariadneit targets: switches, routers, firewalls, 4G/5G base stations, etcDec 13 08:23
schestowitzwhole name I forgotDec 13 08:23
CrystalMath"Crapine Linux aims to be the worst linux distribution ever! This is why we've chosen Alpine Linux as our base."Dec 13 08:24
schestowitzthree-letter with an N and L (Linux)Dec 13 08:24
AriadneCrystalMath: cool, knock yourself outDec 13 08:24
CrystalMathAriadne: nah, i'll forget all about it tomorrowDec 13 08:24
CrystalMathi remember alpine froze up on me in a VM many years agoDec 13 08:24
CrystalMathi think it was because of that grsecurity crapDec 13 08:25
CrystalMathand i've hated it ever sinceDec 13 08:25
Ariadnegrsecurity is goneDec 13 08:25
Ariadnebrad spengler made sure of thatDec 13 08:25
Ariadne(:Dec 13 08:25
CrystalMathi seeDec 13 08:26
CrystalMathmaybe now it's more like the other distrosDec 13 08:27
Ariadneno, theres quite a bit differentDec 13 08:34
Ariadneas i said, we maintain our own userspaceDec 13 08:34
Ariadneit is not gnu/linuxDec 13 08:34
CrystalMathhmmDec 13 08:39
CrystalMathi meant in terms of stabilityDec 13 08:39
CrystalMathbecause it used to crash quite a bit in 2015Dec 13 08:39
CrystalMathor was it 2016?Dec 13 08:39
CrystalMathnoDec 13 08:39
CrystalMathanyway, need to sleepDec 13 08:39
CrystalMathi'm really sleepyDec 13 08:39
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search_socialIn the embodiment of FIG. 8, the instructions are “Throw the pickle to speed up commercial.” The user, which is holding a one-handed controller with motion detection, swings his arm to simulate the act of throwing a pickle. As a result, the flying interactive pickle is placed in the burger, and the commercial message “Make it your way” is displayed briefly before the commercial ends and Dec 13 09:12
search_socialthe user returns to watching the streaming media.Dec 13 09:13
search_social 13 09:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Sony Files Patent To Make TV Ads Into Video GamesDec 13 09:13
search_social 13 09:13
schestowitzpeople have TVs?Dec 13 09:13
schestowitzmaybe this is the final blow to TVsDec 13 09:13
search_socialthey already make you click to make ads go awayDec 13 09:15
schestowitzyesDec 13 09:15
schestowitzI was about to say thisDec 13 09:15
search_socialthey can start making you have to click in certain pattersnDec 13 09:15
schestowitz"or you could lazy and just listen to a little more brainwash"Dec 13 09:15
schestowitzif you mute ads, that already goes a long way as you can also look awayDec 13 09:16
schestowitzsearch_social: don't give them ideas!Dec 13 09:16
schestowitz"press all the mcdonalds" to skil adsDec 13 09:16
schestowitz*skipDec 13 09:16
search_sociali actually already do that for funDec 13 09:16
search_socialin cookie clickerDec 13 09:16
schestowitzCAPTCHADSDec 13 09:16
search_socialxdotool and autohotkeyDec 13 09:16
schestowitzif you can predict location of buttonDec 13 09:17
schestowitzrelative to window or screen frameDec 13 09:17
schestowitzwe use indiviousDec 13 09:17
schestowitzno adsDec 13 09:18
schestowitzno spying either afaictDec 13 09:18
search_socialwell we did it with a pixelDec 13 09:23
search_socialthe power bar was a certain color and floated up and downDec 13 09:23
search_socialso the .ahk script would wait for the right pixel at the top of the barDec 13 09:23
schestowitzi had to look up autohotkeyDec 13 09:51
schestowitzit's windows trashDec 13 09:51
schestowitzgpl/c++Dec 13 09:51
schestowitzbut wrong platformDec 13 09:51
search_sociali was careful to mention xdotool as wellDec 13 09:51
schestowitzxdotool is very powerfulDec 13 09:51
schestowitzand you can combine and pipe it with other programsDec 13 09:52
schestowitzhere is how I maintain 13 09:52
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Social Control Media PostsDec 13 09:52
search_sociali'm trying to get a matrix/discord bridge so i can mount invasions of my discord servers with my matrix friendsDec 13 09:52
search_sociali think it will be easier to persuade them to switch if i come with a groupDec 13 09:52
schestowitzxinput disable 10Dec 13 09:53
schestowitzxdotool  mousemove 1910 1050 Dec 13 09:53
schestowitzxdotool key --delay 1 ctrl+v Dec 13 09:53
schestowitz# xdotool click 2Dec 13 09:53
schestowitz# sleep 0.4Dec 13 09:53
schestowitzxdotool key --delay 1 type "</li><hr size='5' />"Dec 13 09:53
schestowitzxdotool key --delay 1 Tab Tab Tab KP_Enter Tab KP_Enter Tab KP_Enter Dec 13 09:53
schestowitzxdotool key --delay 1 type "<li>"Dec 13 09:53
schestowitzxdotool key --delay 1  KP_Enter Tab KP_Enter Tab KP_Enter Dec 13 09:53
schestowitzxdotool key --delay 1 ctrl+sDec 13 09:53
schestowitzxinput disable 10Dec 13 09:54
schestowitzI also added some loops and conditional statements for edge casesDec 13 09:54
schestowitzit freezes the external mouse while it does all that, avoiding conflictsDec 13 09:54
search_socialyeah it's coolDec 13 09:54
schestowitzit could be optimised by chainingDec 13 09:55
search_sociali used it to re-roll for luck in heart of galaxyDec 13 09:55
schestowitzand you use xbindkeys to bind that to a gaming mouse's special buttonDec 13 09:55
schestowitzskipping ads is one click onlyDec 13 09:55
schestowitzso it looks like an overkill using xdotool for just thatDec 13 09:56
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schestowitzLOL  https://centos.ripDec 13 10:34
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schestowitzAriadne: href says the site will come back next weekDec 13 11:18
schestowitzI mean, this weekDec 13 11:18
schestowitzafter the weekendDec 13 11:18
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-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Marketplace Tech : NPRDec 13 11:40
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vZS1_2schestowitz: the "Find the *plain text* version at _this address_" in the IRC HTML log isn't a valid IPFS pathDec 13 12:12
schestowitzIPFS?Dec 13 12:12
schestowitzit's http, no?Dec 13 12:12
vZS1_2For example: "" is not going to workDec 13 12:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 400 @ )Dec 13 12:13
schestowitzshould I also add a link for ipfs?Dec 13 12:13
vZS1_2s/irc-log-121220.txt/CID/Dec 13 12:13
schestowitzit would not be simple I must warnDec 13 12:13
schestowitzas it's generated in different machinesDec 13 12:13
vZS1_2If you click on the link, you'll see what I meanDec 13 12:13
vZS1_2It's not a valid ipfs pathDec 13 12:13
schestowitzmy guess is:Dec 13 12:14
schestowitzyou open the text versionDec 13 12:14
schestowitzas ipfs cidDec 13 12:14
schestowitznot as the copy on the siteDec 13 12:14
schestowitzand then the relative link is badDec 13 12:14
schestowitzso maybe we need absolute link with base domainDec 13 12:14
schestowitzis that what you suggest?Dec 13 12:14
vZS1_2I haven't really thought it through. I'm just pointing out the link is brokenDec 13 12:14
vZS1_2Also, something doesn't look right from yesterday's IRC logsDec 13 12:17
vZS1_2All I see are your messagesDec 13 12:17
vZS1_2maybe I'm looking at the wrong fileDec 13 12:17
vZS1_2Ah okay. I was looking at the wrong log filDec 13 12:18
vZS1_2file*Dec 13 12:18
schestowitzWhen Catalin Cimpanu says "Only PostgreSQL databases running on Linux servers have been attacked so far" he's trying to attribute to "Linux" an issue that doesn't have anything to do with Linux or even "PostgreSQL" but incompetent systems administrators.Dec 13 12:18
schestowitz 13 12:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-PgMiner botnet attacks weakly secured PostgreSQL databases | ZDNetDec 13 12:18
schestowitzWTH?Dec 13 12:18
schestowitzholy FUD, batmanDec 13 12:19
schestowitzvZS1_2: I can still 'fix' the text log linkDec 13 12:19
schestowitzby making it link not in relative formDec 13 12:19
schestowitzbut absolute with url trail and domain includedDec 13 12:19
schestowitzI don't know how various people utilise ipfsDec 13 12:20
schestowitzso maybe an oversight from me, failing to grasp the failingsDec 13 12:20
schestowitzone thing I noticed was, ipfs gateways would not render css configs for html logsDec 13 12:20
schestowitzthe reason being, they insist strongly on httpdDec 13 12:20
schestowitz*httpsDec 13 12:20
vZS1_2I don't really use the gateways. I stay on the CLI.Dec 13 12:21
vZS1_2with a real clientDec 13 12:21
vZS1_2so I don't know what they're up to with the gatewaysDec 13 12:21
vZS1_2But I just wanted to check the state of things from the browser today, and I noticed that broken link.Dec 13 12:21
vZS1_2I wouldn't really worry about it too much now but worth just keeping track of it in a list somewhere.Dec 13 12:23
vZS1_2"When you do that, you start figuring out ways it could happen and then it starts depressing you, and you start sabotaging yourself."Dec 13 12:30
vZS1_2DaemonFC[m] incredibly effective and a strategy deployed to stop good projects from starting as well.Dec 13 12:30
schestowitzwe changed domain name more than 10 years agoDec 13 12:31
schestowitzthat's why I prefer relative paths these daysDec 13 12:31
schestowitzalso gets rid of the "change http to https" tasksDec 13 12:31
schestowitzvZS1_2: the strategy was used to knife the baby gnuDec 13 12:32
schestowitzzoobab would know, Team UPC uses the same tacticsDec 13 12:32
schestowitzand it's really getting to himDec 13 12:32
vZS1_2I think it's manageable to change schemes, as long as you automate the entire thing from the outset. And use the DRY principle.Dec 13 12:32
vZS1_2You can then just change the scheme at top-level because of the variables being using. Stays dynamic that way.Dec 13 12:32
schestowitzzoobab: Parroting self-serving lies from the EPO to support the fiction that the UPC is coming 13 12:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | UPC – Progress On German Ratification - Intellectual Property - UKDec 13 12:33
schestowitzthis is the latest exampleDec 13 12:33
schestowitzvZS1_2: today I saw something in raku I did not likeDec 13 12:33
vZS1_2What happened?Dec 13 12:33
schestowitz 13 12:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Day 13 – Helping the Github Action elves – Raku Advent CalendarDec 13 12:33
schestowitz No, there is nothing "great" about helping to reinforce Microsoft monopoly and an attack on Free softwareDec 13 12:33
schestowitzI know it's not an official blog or anythingDec 13 12:33
schestowitzbut planet raku had itDec 13 12:34
schestowitzthey give "mindshare" to the monopolyDec 13 12:34
schestowitzI think it's wise to speak to these devsDec 13 12:34
vZS1_2There are GAFAM moles in Raku.Dec 13 12:34
schestowitzand explain to them the consequence of such postsDec 13 12:34
vZS1_2So it doesn't surprise meDec 13 12:34
schestowitzthey weaken the projectss autonomyDec 13 12:34
vZS1_2I said this before, you can check the logs. Whether they listen is up to them. Not my project.Dec 13 12:34
schestowitz[12:34] <vZS1_2> There are GAFAM moles in Raku.Dec 13 12:35
vZS1_2Using the IRC nick vZS1Dec 13 12:35
schestowitzThey are there for "Safety"Dec 13 12:35
schestowitzThey will protect us from "Zealots"Dec 13 12:35
schestowitzwho say GAFAM is badDec 13 12:35
schestowitzand who use words like "silly"Dec 13 12:35
schestowitz 13 12:35
vZS1_2They can stick it where the sun don't shine.Dec 13 12:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | [Meme] It’s Crazy Not to Eliminate Lame Words That Might Offend Somebody | TechrightsDec 13 12:35
schestowitz"silly" is a bad word nowDec 13 12:35
schestowitz"crazy" alsoDec 13 12:35
schestowitz"insane"Dec 13 12:36
schestowitzso I assume "not sane" as wellDec 13 12:36
schestowitz"sanity check" is a bad termDec 13 12:36
schestowitzcan't say thatDec 13 12:36
schestowitz"not fantastically brilliant"! hERE WE GO!Dec 13 12:36
schestowitzmy code is not fantastically brilliantDec 13 12:37
schestowitzI work on code improvements (bug fixes)Dec 13 12:37
schestowitzotherwise the program might not stay absolutely happily stable (i.e. "crash")Dec 13 12:38
vZS1_2bug fix := feature requestDec 13 12:38
vZS1_2That's one ShitLab loves to useDec 13 12:38
schestowitzyou cannot insult bugsDec 13 12:38
schestowitzthey have feelings tooDec 13 12:38
schestowitzand the people who code with bugs... they might kill themselvesDec 13 12:38
schestowitzbecause of your 'selfish' so-called "bug report"Dec 13 12:39
schestowitz"safety first, ma mate!"Dec 13 12:39
schestowitz"Did'ja... solve... I mean, implement... the bu... feature request?"Dec 13 12:39
schestowitzDo the same in politicsDec 13 12:40
vZS1_2Perl used to be an example of autonomy.Dec 13 12:40
schestowitzBoris is sub-optimal Pry MinisterDec 13 12:40
schestowitzMy taxes are insufficiently  not highDec 13 12:40
vZS1_2Perl hackers pretty much all ran their own serversDec 13 12:40
vZS1_2It's a shame what's becoming of themDec 13 12:41
schestowitzmaybe by designDec 13 12:41
schestowitzthe guiding handsDec 13 12:41
schestowitzof selfish monopolies and their $150,000/annum molesDec 13 12:41
schestowitzthey always know better because they're paid moreDec 13 12:41
schestowitzthey also always sponsor all the biggest eventsDec 13 12:41
schestowitzwith diamonds, silver, gold levelsDec 13 12:41
schestowitznot like us "neckbeard" plebsDec 13 12:42
schestowitzall we get is a name badgeDec 13 12:42
schestowitzI boycott all those eventsDec 13 12:42
schestowitzthey're a discrimination opportunityDec 13 12:42
vZS1_2They're sabotaging their own project. By deskilling their recruits. So they will reap what they sow.Dec 13 12:42
schestowitzbecause the rich dominate them, by designDec 13 12:42
schestowitzchoosing some very expensive hotelDec 13 12:42
schestowitzLF is their middlemanDec 13 12:43
schestowitzseparating projects from their communitiesDec 13 12:43
schestowitzso that the podium is reserved for corporate "professional" voicesDec 13 12:43
schestowitz 13 12:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | The Linux Foundation Brought as Keynote Speakers People Vastly Worse Than Those Whom It Now ‘Cancels’ for Purely Political Reasons | TechrightsDec 13 12:43
schestowitzin techrights we've always been sceptical of such influencesDec 13 12:43
schestowitzlike mjg59 coming here, after working for dodgy interests (track record of sabotage) and now GAFAMDec 13 12:44
schestowitzThey're coming "in peace" or "to help" where "help" can mean "let's cancel this toxic person"Dec 13 12:44
schestowitzand then the community gets the message and starts walking awayDec 13 12:44
schestowitzthey don't even need to necessarily take over the projectDec 13 12:44
schestowitzthey might just sabotage it, then walk awayDec 13 12:44
schestowitzhe did this to Linux, but that never worked 13 12:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Hypocrite Forks the Linux Kernel Because of Cultural Characteristics That He Himself is Guilty of | TechrightsDec 13 12:45
schestowitzhe and Sharp had several goes at it over the yearsDec 13 12:45
schestowitztrying to oust the project's founderDec 13 12:45
vZS1_2Forking is taboo to GAFAMDec 13 12:45
schestowitzwhich only pissed  him off even moreDec 13 12:45
vZS1_2Anyway. Got stuff to doDec 13 12:45
schestowitzlast month SFC, after taking Google and MSFT money, hired SharpDec 13 12:45
schestowitznot for anything technicalDec 13 12:46
schestowitzjust a "cancel culture" roleDec 13 12:46
schestowitzweeding out communityDec 13 12:46
schestowitzbefore you go..Dec 13 12:46
schestowitzhttps://centos.ripDec 13 12:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | The RHEL ProjectDec 13 12:46
vZS1_2Gold. lolDec 13 12:47
vZS1_2Will shareDec 13 12:47
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vZS1_2Got to put some stuff in vcs today for one of the servers.Dec 13 13:58
vZS1_2I wrote a bunch of systemd unit files and forgot to add them to the Git repo for that server.Dec 13 13:59
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schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: Microsoft (Bill Gates) eating a big ($3B~) Trump Taxbreak during Covid... how big was your tax break? 13 16:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Microsoft (Bill Gates) eating a big ($3B~) Trump Taxbreak during Covid... how big was your tax break? : conspiracyDec 13 16:29
schestowitzRe: A Volunteer’s Report on His Pfizer COVID-19  Vaccine Test injection - Here is his exclusive report on after effectsDec 13 16:48
schestowitz> *I wasn’t allowed to say anything until today, but it's now done so I amDec 13 16:48
schestowitz> free to write about what transpired. I volunteered for the test phase ofDec 13 16:48
schestowitz> COVID-19 vaccine from Pfizer. The vaccine is the one that has beenDec 13 16:48
schestowitz> developed in Russia. **It is given in 6 different stages.*Dec 13 16:48
schestowitz> *Dec 13 16:49
schestowitz> *Dec 13 16:49
schestowitz> * I received my first dose at** 6:20 AM yesterday  and I just wanted toDec 13 16:49
schestowitz> let you all know that it is safe and I’m ok, with иo side effectsDec 13 16:49
schestowitz> whatsoeveя, and that I feelshκι я чувю себя немного стрно и я думю,Dec 13 16:49
schestowitz> 0yvey что вытл осные уши. чувству себя немго страо. *Dec 13 16:49
schestowitz> *Dec 13 16:49
schestowitz> *Dec 13 16:49
schestowitz> *Comrade Harv*Dec 13 16:49
XRevan86Old joke.Dec 13 16:49
MinceR 13 16:50
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object (4803267)Dec 13 16:50
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-TechrightsBot-tr/ | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object (4803135)Dec 13 17:20
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vZS1Got every single config on all my servers in VCS now.Dec 13 17:35
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vZS1This feels good.Dec 13 17:35
MinceRthat's what she said.Dec 13 17:36
vZS1BadumtssDec 13 17:36
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vZS1Xmas and boxing day casualties coming soon.Dec 13 17:39
vZS1ChristDec 13 17:39
vZS1What drives people to stampedeDec 13 17:39
MinceRwhy aren't people more effective at itDec 13 17:39
MinceRthere's almost 8 billion humans on this planet and they won't stop breedingDec 13 17:39
schestowitzus maybeDec 13 17:48
schestowitznot everyoneDec 13 17:48
schestowitzthe religion says few children implies infertilityDec 13 17:48
DaemonFC[m]I've never seen anything so unprofessional in my life as Windows 10 Professional.Dec 13 18:10
DaemonFC[m]It has the same constant bombardment of ads and the same privacy problems as Windows 10 Home.Dec 13 18:10
DaemonFC[m]And the same useless bloatware freemium games.Dec 13 18:10
DaemonFC[m]People get rid of them and apparently Microsoft installs more.Dec 13 18:11
DaemonFC[m]You'd figure that paying more for this SKU would mean that at least some of this crap is off by default Dec 13 18:11
DaemonFC[m]<schestowitz "the religion says few children i"> Having children is mostly a vanity project that's good for government that mortgages them for more loans and big business that wants to sell more products.Dec 13 18:13
DaemonFC[m]Human life is a cheap commodity in Capitalism, and the religions that are in bed with it tell people that life is sacred and don't wear a condom because it's a corrupt bargain.Dec 13 18:13
DaemonFC[m]If you don't wear condoms there's more dues paying members of religion, more taxpayers to mortgage, more products being sold, more work being extracted from people in exchange for just barely paying rent, etc.Dec 13 18:14
DaemonFC[m]And more people who need pharmaceuticals because they contracted a disease.Dec 13 18:14
schestowitz144 dead 13 18:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Covid-19 in the UK: How many coronavirus cases are there in your area? - BBC NewsDec 13 18:15
schestowitzUS 2300 againDec 13 18:15
DaemonFC[m]Sometimes for life. Good business. The HIV dollar. A very strong dollar Dec 13 18:15
DaemonFC[m]Depending on how much labor there is and how many people there are to do it, sometimes they let you have just enough joy in your own life not to kill yourselfDec 13 18:16
DaemonFC[m]In some cases, not even that. Apple suppliers and suicide nets.Dec 13 18:16
DaemonFC[m]Some Asian people throwing themselves off buildings to escape building overpriced junk so that other Asians, like Maricel can live "the real life".Dec 13 18:18
DaemonFC[m]She's livin' la vida loca and all that.Dec 13 18:19
DaemonFC[m]The real life. Major lawsuits from all your creditors that you can only pay enough to settle the case because you come home with shopping bags every day from the mall.Dec 13 18:20
DaemonFC[m]I won't go into too much detail but what they did to Mandy was despicable. Dec 13 18:22
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DaemonFC[m]Never underestimate what money will do to some people, and what some people will do over money.Dec 13 18:23
DaemonFC[m]It would be easier for these fuckheads to just sit down and read a book and drive a used car to work and answer their emails (which is half of her job) on a PC.Dec 13 18:24
DaemonFC[m]But they strut around like peacocks trying to impress people who don't even care. Dec 13 18:24
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: More life means life gets devalued. Dec 13 18:25
DaemonFC[m]It doesn't increase the value of life to have more life. It's just another part of the crock of shit and lies that we call religion when they say more is better.Dec 13 18:25
DaemonFC[m]At some point you have thousands of people in your country dying every day and people want to open up so they can go to Applebee's.Dec 13 18:25
DaemonFC[m]Also, because of being forced to go to church every Sunday (even while dad stayed home except on Easter and Christmas, and mom went off and openly had a licentious affair with a truck driver she knew in High School), I was left to come to my own decisions about religion in a very confused way.Dec 13 18:27
DaemonFC[m]Because I had no good examples. People in the church cheating on their spouses. Attendance doubling on holidays. Gossip all the time. It just didn't seem like a very moral place.Dec 13 18:28
DaemonFC[m]And then these same assholes sit in judgment and make you feel guilty about being gay.Dec 13 18:28
DaemonFC[m]They're just utterly shameless, but we have to stop the train because of me. Dec 13 18:29
DaemonFC[m]So I was already not impressed before sneaking onto the internet when I was a teenager and being exposed to significantly different views.Dec 13 18:29
DaemonFC[m]They were handing out free dial up ISP software in the 90s during the dotcom bubble. It was supposed to open up an ad bar when you were online and allegedly that would pay for it, but they were paying several dollars per month per user and making less than a tenth of that on ads.Dec 13 18:30
DaemonFC[m]So it didn't last very long, but it was long enough for my dad to quietly come in the house one day and sneak up on me and go "What in the hell are you doing! My phone bill better not go up because of this!".Dec 13 18:31
DaemonFC[m](It was a local number. They didn't charge for those. It was basically a really long local phone call.)Dec 13 18:32
DaemonFC[m]For being an engineer who went to college, he gets a lot of crazy ideas and you can't really talk him out of it. When he realizes he was wrong, he doesn't apologize.Dec 13 18:32
DaemonFC[m]But, you know, by that point I had been secretly browsing around the internet going "Hmm, yeah, okay....".Dec 13 18:33
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: We could have 3,000+ dead every day for another year and the open up people would still be shouting that they want to go to Applebee's.Dec 13 18:34
DaemonFC[m]Threatening to burn down the government and secede from the union so they don't have to wear a mask at the grocery store.Dec 13 18:34
DaemonFC[m]Trump won the election, you know....Dec 13 18:34
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: Also, pretty much everyone at my grandmother's nursing home has COVID right now.Dec 13 18:35
DaemonFC[m]90% of the residents and over half the staff.Dec 13 18:35
DaemonFC[m]It's a disaster. It's like that in almost every nursing home in Indiana.Dec 13 18:36
DaemonFC[m]I told mom, "I don't suppose she's going to shut up and stay in her room.". Dec 13 18:36
DaemonFC[m]She said, "Nope, Amber told me she still does whatever she wants.".Dec 13 18:36
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MinceR13 191008 < DaemonFC[m]> I've never seen anything so unprofessional in my life as Windows 10 Professional.Dec 13 18:39
MinceRwell, it's "enterprise"Dec 13 18:39
MinceRi.e. overcomplicated, overpriced, bloated and uselessDec 13 18:39
schestowitzStarshipDec 13 18:40
schestowitzUS Starship used WIndows Enterprise EditionDec 13 18:41
schestowitzThey also have submarine editionDec 13 18:41
schestowitzfor marketingDec 13 18:41
schestowitzLinux CERN EditionDec 13 18:41
schestowitzTesla Einstein EditionDec 13 18:41
DaemonFC[m]There's like 20 settings or something all over Windows 10 that each turn off a piece of the advertising.Dec 13 18:42
DaemonFC[m]And there's entire articles written as cheat sheets for how to find them all.Dec 13 18:42
MinceR:>Dec 13 18:42
DaemonFC[m]Then there were like 17 settings involving privacy.Dec 13 18:42
schestowitzenough to tell antitrust regulators that it is doable and give users the illusion they "fixed it"Dec 13 18:42
DaemonFC[m]But you can only stop it from doing certain specific things, and many of them overlap in what they tell Microsoft about you.Dec 13 18:43
schestowitzanyway, I'm glad I deal with none of those thingsDec 13 18:43
DaemonFC[m]So you can forget to turn one or two of them off and like 80% of the total information goes to Microsoft anyway.Dec 13 18:43
schestowitzso to many of us out there it's humour, except those of us dumb enough to think Android is "good" because Windows... "bad"Dec 13 18:43
DaemonFC[m]<schestowitz "enough to tell antitrust regulat"> It is doable to stop it from being so very annoying.Dec 13 18:44
schestowitzwhat goes to Microsoft also goes to NSA and othersDec 13 18:44
DaemonFC[m]But it will take you at least 20 minutes after you set it up to go down the list.Dec 13 18:44
schestowitzno wonder the US gov. subsidises MicrosoftDec 13 18:44
schestowitz[18:44] <DaemonFC[m]> But it will take you at least 20 minutes after you set it up to go down the list.Dec 13 18:44
schestowitzyou can install gnu/linux in 10 minutesDec 13 18:44
schestowitzminimally guided installationsDec 13 18:44
DaemonFC[m]Pretty much.Dec 13 18:44
schestowitzjust press ok, choose username and password, bootDec 13 18:45
DaemonFC[m]I'll go over the Debian 11 setup on the older laptop next month.Dec 13 18:45
DaemonFC[m]Get an idea of what I'm actually dealing with. Version 6 wasn't all that good.Dec 13 18:45
schestowitzlet me know how debian 11 goesDec 13 18:45
schestowitzmaybe the next machine will have bullseye if it's officially "stable" by thenDec 13 18:45
schestowitzDebian 10 is really really nice and reliableDec 13 18:45
schestowitzI can tell you offhand of no bug in KDEDec 13 18:46
schestowitzusually I had a bunch of known issues I had memorised, but not this timeDec 13 18:46
DaemonFC[m]Yeah, Windows 10 is crashing sometimes just trying to play a video game from 2009.Dec 13 18:46
DaemonFC[m]It's like how is this even a thing.Dec 13 18:46
schestowitztop - 18:46:41 up 137 days,Dec 13 18:46
schestowitzI reckon I can do 1-2 years uptimeDec 13 18:46
schestowitzbut maybe there will be a critical kernel patch along the wayDec 13 18:47
DaemonFC[m]It's pretty much like my experience trying to play through Borderlands 2 on my old laptop. Either the Intel driver would die and need to be restarted by Windows, or Blue Screen of Death.Dec 13 18:47
DaemonFC[m]Windows Update even managed to put the wrong Intel bluetooth driver on my laptop.Dec 13 18:47
DaemonFC[m]So Bluetooth worked, but had glitches, and after running the Intel driver update utility, things got much better.Dec 13 18:48
DaemonFC[m]I'm guessing the reason the 20H2 upgrade was so fast and actually didn't break anything that I've noticed is that the "major upgrades" to Windows 10 are slowing down and it's pretty much down to a few items at this point.Dec 13 18:49
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DaemonFC[m]There's no major investment in Windows anymore.Dec 13 18:51
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DaemonFC[m]The switch to Chromium Edge was major, but they did it so that they could fire a bunch of people and claim they had a browser that actually renders pages properly. Dec 13 18:51
DaemonFC[m]Which is does do, but considering that it's just Chromium with some Microsoft branding, that's to be expected.Dec 13 18:52
DaemonFC[m]That's why I was perplexed by Edge on Linux and Edge on Mac. There's no real reason to test specifically in Edge because it will render a page the same way as the version of Chromium it's built on top of.Dec 13 18:53
DaemonFC[m]In fact, that was a lot of the reason for the switch. They could continue solving problems where Chromium rendered something a certain way and EdgeHTML broke, or they could just give up, and they gave up.Dec 13 18:54
DaemonFC[m]Because, you know, the whole "paying people just to unfuck Edge again" part.Dec 13 18:54
DaemonFC[m]I'm not at all sure about Mozilla.Dec 13 18:55
DaemonFC[m]They just gave up their entire office in Mountain View. They blames it on COVID, but between their reduced circumstances, their CEO who might as well be embezzling considering her outrageous salary compared with revenue, the layoffs, etc....Dec 13 18:55
DaemonFC[m]The office lease was just another series in the events where Chrome+Clones takes another step and Mozilla falls back.Dec 13 18:56
DaemonFC[m]And pretty soon there'll be nothing left, and Mozilla will announce that they're firing most of the engineers that remain and will just try to make a browser on top of Chromium.Dec 13 18:57
DaemonFC[m]They've passively enabled at least some of their reduced circumstances, schestowitz.Dec 13 18:57
DaemonFC[m]Like, when Windows started annoying people. Really annoying them to use Edge or changing their default browser back without asking.... Where was the lawsuit?Dec 13 18:58
DaemonFC[m]This behavior does harm Mozilla. They have standing to sue. They might get an injunction. They'd certainly be no worse off than where they're headed.Dec 13 18:58
DaemonFC[m]If they could have enjoined Microsoft from doing that and salvaged even 5-6% of Firefox users who were "weedled" over to Edge, then the revenue would have far outweighed the costs of the lawsuit.Dec 13 19:00
DaemonFC[m]Hell, Microsoft may have even settled out of court and handed them cash.Dec 13 19:00
DaemonFC[m]We'll never know.Dec 13 19:00
DaemonFC[m]Because of Mitchell Baker.Dec 13 19:00
DaemonFC[m]They're a pushover and they fired their best people.Dec 13 19:01
DaemonFC[m]And now they're going away.Dec 13 19:01
DaemonFC[m]You almost have to wonder what's next for Linux default browsers after Firefox is gone.Dec 13 19:01
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DaemonFC[m]In the 90s there was sort of a dearth of browsers available for Linux, and so most distributions shipped Netscape, which was proprietary, because it was your best shot on Linux at getting pages that worked.Dec 13 19:02
DaemonFC[m]So it's not too difficult to see the major distributions giving up and packaging Chrome or Chromium.Dec 13 19:02
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DaemonFC[m]It really doesn't matter much to Google if there are other browsers using their engine. It's yet more control they wield over the web platform.Dec 13 19:03
DaemonFC[m]And most users will change their search engine anyway because nobody will tolerate Bing very long.Dec 13 19:04
schestowitzsearch engines can be made obsoleteDec 13 19:04
schestowitzbut let me explainDec 13 19:04
schestowitzlet's go back to the basicsDec 13 19:04
schestowitzthe web used to be smallDec 13 19:04
schestowitzvery smallDec 13 19:04
schestowitzand inflexibleDec 13 19:04
schestowitzthen web had directoriesDec 13 19:04
schestowitzto help sort the small webDec 13 19:05
schestowitzaltavista came aroundDec 13 19:05
schestowitzthat's where the current CEO of Red Hat came from (IBM still pretends it's a separate company, like Microsoft with GitHub... to not scare the fake 'community')Dec 13 19:05
DaemonFC[m]Yeah, I remember when it was small enough that you could have humans sorting it all out and making sure you didn't have to sort through any crap.Dec 13 19:05
schestowitzWe can walk away from Google as search authorityDec 13 19:05
schestowitzand screw PageRankDec 13 19:05
schestowitzalong with bloated browsersDec 13 19:05
schestowitznot by changing the Web Dec 13 19:05
schestowitzit won't change, we have no leverage over w3c anymoreDec 13 19:06
DaemonFC[m]I mostly use DuckDuckGo, and I know BIng is a factor in that, but it's a meta engine.Dec 13 19:06
schestowitzso you make an alternativeDec 13 19:06
DaemonFC[m]And it comes up with a lot of stuff that's just been censored from Google.Dec 13 19:06
schestowitzand let that grow, based e.g. on lowering obesity of stuff.Dec 13 19:06
DaemonFC[m]Google is as censored in America as it is in China, it's just the MAFIAA that does most of it here.Dec 13 19:06
schestowitzyou don't need 2MB of data and 2 CPU core to read a short tweetDec 13 19:06
schestowitzsometimes I just look things up directly in wikipediaDec 13 19:07
schestowitzwikipedia is not perfectDec 13 19:07
schestowitzbut better than random searchingDec 13 19:07
DaemonFC[m]Well, why are we putting at least a quad core in every computer? Because we can. It's easy to do now.Dec 13 19:07
schestowitzgoogle is useful when you debug some rare error messageDec 13 19:07
schestowitziirc, that's why brin and page made it in the first placeDec 13 19:07
schestowitzand they have a dedicated google for linux thingsDec 13 19:07
DaemonFC[m]It's like why is every TV so nice even if they're cheap as hell?Dec 13 19:07
schestowitzthat disappeared years laterDec 13 19:08
schestowitzthey need a debugging/support resourceDec 13 19:08
DaemonFC[m]We got to a level of technology where it's cheap to make something 100 times nicer than a "nice" one 30 years ago.Dec 13 19:08
DaemonFC[m]So you have a 100x nicer TV for 20% of the money.Dec 13 19:08
DaemonFC[m]Yeah, and I noticed for tech stuff, DuckDuckGo is pretty much useless.Dec 13 19:09
DaemonFC[m]You end up using !g.Dec 13 19:09
DaemonFC[m]We've gotten to a level of technology where the things you need have gone up in price and the things you want are cheap as hell.Dec 13 19:10
DaemonFC[m]So the government smashes them together and there's no inflation.Dec 13 19:10
DaemonFC[m]:)Dec 13 19:10
psydroiddoesn't that level of technology we have got to mean we can also make a replacement of the Web that is 100 times nicer than the Web itself?Dec 13 19:11
DaemonFC[m]I'd better mail the rent check tomorrow.Dec 13 19:12
psydroidreplacement for*Dec 13 19:12
DaemonFC[m]The post office is experiencing "delays" that are just ridiculous right now.Dec 13 19:12
DaemonFC[m]I usually do it no later than the 16th of the month, but I may want to do it on the 14th this time.Dec 13 19:12
DaemonFC[m]Along with the holidays bogging everything down and people shopping online a lot, the post office has to deal with DeJoy's sabotage that's leftover from Trump trying to steal the election.Dec 13 19:13
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: The irony is that my dad really liked the movie The Postman.Dec 13 19:14
DaemonFC[m]And then it's the Post Office that saves us from the Holnist Army in real life. Too weird.Dec 13 19:14
DaemonFC[m]The United States collapses and then a washing machine salesman starts a violent slave army in the wastelands.Dec 13 19:16
DaemonFC[m]Only instead of a washing machine salesman, we got a six time bankrupt adulterer who eats four bags of McDonalds and 12 Diet Coked every day.Dec 13 19:17
DaemonFC[m]Apparently, it was the guy bringing him his Diet Cokes that may have given him COVID.Dec 13 19:17
DaemonFC[m]MinceR: I spent probably 20 minutes on Fallout New Vegas just trying to figure out a way to kill that bad comedian without taking negative karma.Dec 13 19:18
DaemonFC[m]Like reverse pickpocketing him a live grenade while using a Stealth Boy.Dec 13 19:19
DaemonFC[m]Eventually gave up and let him live, for now.Dec 13 19:19
DaemonFC[m]Then I came across a game breaking bug, that's still in the main quest storyline, that nobody bothered to fix even though there have been some updates.Dec 13 19:19
DaemonFC[m]You can talk to the Great Khans to try to get them to back the New California Republic, but then a broken script makes it impossible to talk to the NCR official about it, so your only other option for the NCR storyline to continue is go back and kill them all unless you just want to set the quest to complete using the cheat console.Dec 13 19:21
DaemonFC[m]Oh, Bethesda.Dec 13 19:21
DaemonFC[m]I would call them the Microsoft of video games, but that's EA.Dec 13 19:21
MinceRDaemonFC[m]: lolDec 13 19:22
DaemonFC[m]You'd think that the minimum amount of testing on an RPG would be to make sure that all possible lines of the main story work.Dec 13 19:22
MinceRyou thought zenimax/bethesda did testing?Dec 13 19:22
MinceRas for the microsoft of video games, microsoft bought zenimax this yearDec 13 19:22
DaemonFC[m]They obviously don't. Even with all the patches and expansions for Oblivion, it still had well over 20,000 bugs.Dec 13 19:23
schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: sorry I dropped off the convoDec 13 19:23
MinceRthey're a bunch of suits with not a single clue about videogamesDec 13 19:23
DaemonFC[m]Some of them not that serious, but most of them fixed with Unofficial Patches.Dec 13 19:23
schestowitzhad to finished editing a guest postDec 13 19:23
schestowitzand since you just between topics you leave my mind in disarrayDec 13 19:23
MinceRthey just bought the rights to fallout from interplay after fallout 2 came outDec 13 19:23
MinceRthey also bought id after it already started dyingDec 13 19:23
DaemonFC[m]Yeah, I got into Fallout because someone gave it to me for Christmas in maybe 1998, I guess.Dec 13 19:24
MinceRthey'll fit right in at microshit.Dec 13 19:24
DaemonFC[m]It was an isometric style RPG back then because it's what such a computer could do.Dec 13 19:24
schestowitztry to focus on one topic at a time as that also makes logs more readable and easy to follow; you talk about your husbands's family, then Google, then movies your dad likes...Dec 13 19:24
MinceRtalking is like that :>Dec 13 19:24
DaemonFC[m]Well, it all ties into what the virus is up to, like everything these days.Dec 13 19:25
DaemonFC[m]I'm assuming that the oligarchy in general is having a field day with this.Dec 13 19:25
DaemonFC[m]The government forcing what's left of their smaller competitors out of business and creating mass unemployment by edict. Most of the victims, people who were using more government programs than paying taxes.Dec 13 19:25
DaemonFC[m]Big Pharma getting a license to rush out a vaccine that will cost taxpayers a fortune twice. Once to buy it and then again when the injury compensation program has to pay out all the victims instead of them when some people don't tolerate it well.Dec 13 19:27
MinceRorban got a license to extend authoritarianism in hungaryDec 13 19:27
DaemonFC[m]That's exactly what's happening in Illinois.Dec 13 19:27
MinceRi suspect the other EU apparatchiks don't really mind it at all, they just have to act like they're opposed to it for a whileDec 13 19:28
DaemonFC[m]The governor's orders have been far more severe in counties that didn't vote for him.Dec 13 19:28
DaemonFC[m]Less to do with controlling the virus than making life unbearable for his political opponents.Dec 13 19:28
MinceRso what if every EU resident that doesn't want to sacrifice everything just so that shitty overpriced german cars can be made even more cheaply emigrates to oceania and america?Dec 13 19:28
MinceRit will probably be after these apparatchiks go to pension anywayDec 13 19:29
DaemonFC[m]Some back of the napkin math led him to the conclusion that if most small business owners are Republicans and he can shut them down and declare Big Business "essential", then the jobs will eventually go there and the people funding his opponents will leave the state or reopen with "what's left" and too weak to oppose him again.Dec 13 19:30
DaemonFC[m]Good politics, though.Dec 13 19:30
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DaemonFC[m]<MinceR "so what if every EU resident tha"> That's pretty much what happened here over the last few decades.Dec 13 19:31
DaemonFC[m]My grandparents were dismayed when my aunt bought a Honda in 1985.Dec 13 19:31
DaemonFC[m]You know what? That thing was still running 30 years later, and they went through 4 Cadillacs in the same amount of time. Dec 13 19:31
DaemonFC[m]Not because they got tired of them, it's because it's a luxury GM car, so they're endless money pits at 5 or 6 years and you get rid of them.Dec 13 19:32
DaemonFC[m]Some of them don't give you a choice, like the one where the engine caught fire.Dec 13 19:32
MinceR:>Dec 13 19:33
DaemonFC[m]Nobody in my mom's side of the family takes care of anything.Dec 13 19:33
MinceRBMW loves to make engines that set the car on fireDec 13 19:33
DaemonFC[m]So if a 1985 Honda made it 30 years. Imagine how long it would last properly serviced.Dec 13 19:33
MinceRor they just have no idea what they're doingDec 13 19:33
MinceRbut they don't have to because brainless hungarian criminals and their like will buy it just like they buy crApple productsDec 13 19:34
DaemonFC[m]I've heard from people who worked at BMW that they specifically design them to only last a few years.Dec 13 19:34
MinceRah, it's a success thenDec 13 19:34
DaemonFC[m]It's a goal that everything should work fine for 3-4 years and then it should all start going wrong.Dec 13 19:34
MinceRi'm not sure if they reliably reach 3 yearsDec 13 19:34
DaemonFC[m]They don't negotiate on the extended warranty.Dec 13 19:35
MinceRi hear ford has the same policy about recalls: if they haven't scheduled your car to be fixed yet, they'll tell you no recalls apply to itDec 13 19:35
DaemonFC[m]BMW has it in the computer what they cost. Maricel bought one for over $5,800 just to extend it from 2 to 5 years Dec 13 19:35
DaemonFC[m]So what does that tell you?Dec 13 19:35
MinceReven if they know the design is broken, they'll tell you it's fine until they're ready to service it, or until it self-destructsDec 13 19:36
DaemonFC[m]If they anticipate that the car will require almost $6,000 in repairs before it's 5, don't buy it.Dec 13 19:36
DaemonFC[m]No accountant that was giving their client good advice would say to buy that.Dec 13 19:36
DaemonFC[m]MinceR: Mom might be improving in some areas.Dec 13 19:37
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DaemonFC[m]I told her to buy a Toyota next time, about 2 years old, and to take me with her when she goes shopping.Dec 13 19:37
MinceR:>Dec 13 19:38
DaemonFC[m]I don't think she just took it from me. Some doctor friend at work said that he and his wife both buy two year old Toyotas and they usually drive them another 15 years before anything serious starts to set in.Dec 13 19:38
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MinceRmy toyota was pretty reliable until it became 20 years oldDec 13 19:39
MinceRbut i don't know how hard it was abused by its earlier ownersDec 13 19:39
DaemonFC[m]You notice that in the advertising, GM never runs any that suggest you'll be handing it down to the kids when it's 20 years old.Dec 13 19:39
MinceR:>Dec 13 19:39
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DaemonFC[m]Mine was making an awful sound last night and then it went away.Dec 13 19:40
DaemonFC[m]The Impala again.Dec 13 19:40
schestowitzI've made some improvements for my static and JavaScript-free 'social control media' that's self-hosted 13 19:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Social Control Media PostsDec 13 19:40
DaemonFC[m]Mom was like "What did it sound like?" I went, "Another $1,000.".Dec 13 19:40
schestowitznow it adds day of postingDec 13 19:40
schestowitzand it updates in real-time Dec 13 19:40
schestowitz*real timeDec 13 19:40
schestowitzvZS1: I don't support you use Social Control Media Dec 13 19:41
DaemonFC[m]They don't want anything to work without Javascript anymore.Dec 13 19:41
schestowitzeven the 'free' ones and 'federated' stuff is too bloated nowDec 13 19:41
schestowitzfor just a bunch of textDec 13 19:41
DaemonFC[m]With it turned on they can track you and exploit all sorts of browser vulnerabilities.Dec 13 19:41
DaemonFC[m]And with most browsers being some sort of Chrome, we have a monoculture that is easier to write once, run anywhere with the malware.Dec 13 19:41
MinceRVlad the ImpalaDec 13 19:42
vZS1I don't use any social media?Dec 13 19:42
DaemonFC[m]I noticed that Windows 10 Pro has an Application Guard with turns Edge into some sort of isolated virtualized browser appliance.Dec 13 19:42
DaemonFC[m]But they don't make any way to let you run that as the default.Dec 13 19:42
schestowitzoopsDec 13 19:43
schestowitzI mean suppose, vZS1Dec 13 19:43
schestowitzwe need to replace that too, somehowDec 13 19:43
schestowitzreplace webDec 13 19:43
schestowitzreplace clownDec 13 19:43
schestowitzreplace fake encryptionDec 13 19:43
schestowitzreplace social control mediaDec 13 19:44
schestowitz..Dec 13 19:44
schestowitzsuckless Internet\Dec 13 19:44
DaemonFC[m]The security situation on Windows isn't as horrendous as it was at its lowest point, but at its lowest point, there was none.Dec 13 19:44
DaemonFC[m]So, take what Microsoft says with a lot of salt.Dec 13 19:44
MinceRit's worse than noneDec 13 19:44
MinceRit comes with backdoorsDec 13 19:44
schestowitz> You won't get anything from Moglen, though someone really ought to lookDec 13 19:53
schestowitz> into the C&D / legal whatever from Moglen against SFC over theirDec 13 19:53
schestowitz> trademark. I used to wonder what the deal is, thinking SFC was probablyDec 13 19:53
schestowitz> innocent, that was quite a while back.Dec 13 19:53
schestowitz> Dec 13 19:53
schestowitz> 13 19:53
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | SFLC Files Bizarre Legal Action Against Its Former Client, Software Freedom Conservancy - Conservancy Blog - Software Freedom ConservancyDec 13 19:53
schestowitz> <>Dec 13 19:53
schestowitz> Dec 13 19:53
schestowitz> Seems less "bizarre" now, but only more interesting.Dec 13 19:53
schestowitz> Dec 13 19:53
schestowitz> schestowitzDec 13 19:53
schestowitz> is that an SFC thing now? And since when?Dec 13 19:53
schestowitz> Dec 12 11:45Dec 13 19:53
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schestowitz> 12 11:45:17>Dec 13 19:54
schestowitz> AriadneDec 13 19:54
schestowitz> that was the original purpose of SFCDec 13 19:54
schestowitz> Dec 12 11:45Dec 13 19:54
schestowitz> < 13 19:54
schestowitz> 12 11:45:27>Dec 13 19:54
schestowitz> schestowitzDec 13 19:54
schestowitz> tax exemption sieve?Dec 13 19:54
schestowitz> Dec 12 11:45Dec 13 19:54
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schestowitz> 12 11:45:30>Dec 13 19:54
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schestowitz> AriadneDec 13 19:54
schestowitz> yes, basicallyDec 13 19:54
schestowitz> Dec 12 11:45Dec 13 19:54
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schestowitz> 12 11:45:37>Dec 13 19:54
schestowitz> schestowitzDec 13 19:54
schestowitz> SFC was made for GPL enforcementDec 13 19:54
schestowitz> Dec 12 11:45Dec 13 19:54
schestowitz> < 13 19:54
schestowitz> 12 11:45:41>Dec 13 19:54
schestowitz> AriadneDec 13 19:54
schestowitz> noDec 13 19:54
schestowitz> Dec 12 11:45Dec 13 19:54
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schestowitz> 12 11:45:44>Dec 13 19:54
schestowitz> AriadneDec 13 19:54
schestowitz> GPL enforcement came laterDec 13 19:54
schestowitz> Dec 12 11:45Dec 13 19:54
schestowitz> < 13 19:54
schestowitz> 12 11:45:49>Dec 13 19:54
schestowitz> schestowitzDec 13 19:54
schestowitz> I suppose I need to read up on itDec 13 19:54
schestowitz> Dec 12 11:46Dec 13 19:54
schestowitz> < 13 19:54
schestowitz> 12 11:46:02>Dec 13 19:54
schestowitz> AriadneDec 13 19:54
schestowitz> after they decided moglen wasn't doing a good jobDec 13 19:54
schestowitz> Dec 12 11:46Dec 13 19:54
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schestowitz> 12 11:46:08>Dec 13 19:55
schestowitz> AriadneDec 13 19:55
schestowitz> its a huge messDec 13 19:55
schestowitz> Dec 12 11:46Dec 13 19:55
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MinceR 13 19:58
DaemonFC[m] 13 20:02
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Georgia Supreme Court rejects Trump appealDec 13 20:02
DaemonFC[m] 13 20:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Trump appointee Brett Ludwig tosses Wisconsin election lawsuitDec 13 20:03
schestowitzlolDec 13 20:04
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vZS1IRC is a socialDec 13 20:10
vZS1platform*Dec 13 20:11
vZS1Less junkDec 13 20:11
vZS1We chat and share stuffDec 13 20:11
vZS1No balkanisationDec 13 20:12
vZS1Which is what puts me off from social media the mostDec 13 20:13
DaemonFC[m]My annual Christmas tradition has been ruined by COVID.Dec 13 20:13
DaemonFC[m]No Chinese buffet. Dec 13 20:13
vZS1Cook Chinese at home?Dec 13 20:13
DaemonFC[m]Yeah, that's a strong possibility.Dec 13 20:15
DaemonFC[m]I use the slow cooker for almost everything.Dec 13 20:15
DaemonFC[m]The oven mostly just sits there waiting for the odd frozen pizza or something.Dec 13 20:15
vZS1You can make peeking stuff in the slow cookerDec 13 20:16
vZS1peking*Dec 13 20:16
vZS1Ribs, beef, etcDec 13 20:17
DaemonFC[m]Mandy is just weird. Tells me to turn the heat on while he's sitting around in underwear.Dec 13 20:18
DaemonFC[m]Some of these arguments just go around in circles. I say "Go put your pajamas on. I'm not donating our money to the electric company.".Dec 13 20:18
DaemonFC[m]Without heat or air conditioning, the bill runs about $30-40 a month.Dec 13 20:19
DaemonFC[m]Once you turn those on, they can get up to $100.Dec 13 20:19
DaemonFC[m]Maybe a bit more.Dec 13 20:19
DaemonFC[m]It's like running a furnace by throwing cash into it. That's how I think.Dec 13 20:19
vZS1I always wear a hoody indoors. HabitDec 13 20:20
vZS1Even during summerDec 13 20:20
DaemonFC[m]Well, by not running the heater and letting the temperature just be whatever it is while you layer up, you're saving at least $60 a month, or more.Dec 13 20:22
DaemonFC[m]We're in a ground level apartment and one of the reason I blurted out "We'll take it." as soon as I saw it was because I know how cheap they are to do heating and air conditioning.Dec 13 20:23
DaemonFC[m]You don't have to fight temperature extremes as much when more than half your apartment is underground.Dec 13 20:23
vZS1Makes senseDec 13 20:23
DaemonFC[m]There's some eccentrics living out in the desert and they always build underground.Dec 13 20:24
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: CNN and The Hill on Gates talking about the vaccine again.Dec 13 20:25
DaemonFC[m]He ridiculed Trump this time.Dec 13 20:25
DaemonFC[m]He said something like at least the new administration will work with and listen to experts instead of publicly attacking them.Dec 13 20:26
DaemonFC[m]Which is another thing that's not technically wrong, but like 5 news outlets covering another "Bill Gates takes a shit." story. Dec 13 20:26
DaemonFC[m]Things got pretty bad under Trump, and Gates is only now criticizing Trump, only now....Dec 13 20:27
DaemonFC[m]He not only waited until after Trump was voted out, but until the very moment the last two of his crazy lawsuits went splat.Dec 13 20:27
DaemonFC[m]Courage..... :PDec 13 20:27
DaemonFC[m]He waited until it was absolutely certain Trump would be gone. Not 99.95%. 100%.Dec 13 20:28
DaemonFC[m]Then he starts flattering Biden.Dec 13 20:28
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DaemonFC[m]There's certainly not going to be much that Trump can do about this in his next 38 days as President. But Gates wanted to make sure that last nail was in the coffin because if Trump did somehow manage to sleaze his way back in it wouldn't be good for business having just insulted him.Dec 13 20:32
DaemonFC[m]I don't think that Gates personally would care as much about the end of democracy in America, which is what the Supreme Court or the other schemes would have meant, as to what it would mean for his ability to keep feasting off this pandemic.Dec 13 20:33
DaemonFC[m]There's some democracy left in the United States, but not much.Dec 13 20:34
DaemonFC[m]Billionaires toy with it as some sort of blood sport, and then you get to pick from the two that are left. Dec 13 20:35
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-TechrightsBot-tr/ | YouTube-dlc an active fork of YouTube-dl : DataHoarderDec 13 22:03
smnthermesIt seems youtube-dl is dying, so someone forked itDec 13 22:03
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DaemonFC[m]I found a bad spot in the freezer where some meat didn't freeze all the way.Dec 13 22:22
DaemonFC[m]So for now I just put a giant tupperware thing of water in that part of the door and told Mandy not to put anything else there.Dec 13 22:22
DaemonFC[m]Threw $15 worth of meat out. cursesDec 13 22:23
DaemonFC[m]Seal looks okay. Wonder what happened.Dec 13 22:23
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MinceR13 230353 < smnthermes> It seems youtube-dl is dying, so someone forked itDec 13 23:08
MinceRif that someone had a clue, they wouldn't have hosted it on microsoft shithubDec 13 23:08
schestowitzSigns of lack of competence of desire to surviveDec 13 23:21
schestowitzlike so-called 'journalists' who think all they need is a twitter accountDec 13 23:22
schestowitzor youtube channelDec 13 23:22
schestowitzxmas 2014 (5 years before COVID) 13 23:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | church7Dec 13 23:34
schestowitzvZS1: I need your adviceDec 13 23:53
schestowitzif you are aroundDec 13 23:53
schestowitzit's not about e2eeDec 13 23:53
schestowitzbut anonymityDec 13 23:53
schestowitzI have some specsDec 13 23:53
schestowitzand it's about EPO Dec 13 23:53
schestowitzhow to securely and anonymously contact managers thereDec 13 23:54

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