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MinceRmaybe the people need a few more youtube-dl incidents until they learnNov 16 00:13
schestowitzvZS1: remember ipfs can be accused of 'piracy'Nov 16 00:14
schestowitzamong other thingsNov 16 00:14
schestowitzor transferring some  "rogue" filesNov 16 00:14
schestowitzwith authorities demanding takedownsNov 16 00:14
schestowitzipfs too needs to #deleteGithubNov 16 00:14
schestowitzto be censorship-resistantNov 16 00:15
MinceR 16 00:15
schestowitzhe shoots alsoNov 16 00:15
schestowitzbut only frontallyNov 16 00:16
schestowitzthey're called imps, iircNov 16 00:16
schestowitzor rather no...Nov 16 00:16
schestowitzthe imps are smaller Nov 16 00:16
schestowitzthis one is "boss"Nov 16 00:16
MinceRthe one on the picture is a cyberdemonNov 16 00:18
schestowitz 16 00:19
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schestowitzok, sorted nowNov 16 00:19
schestowitzhad to chown and chgrpNov 16 00:20
schestowitzfor moving to rsyncNov 16 00:20
schestowitzrsnyc creates new tmp filesNov 16 00:20
schestowitzduring the transferNov 16 00:20
schestowitzso must have permission to write new filesNov 16 00:20
schestowitzI will code a sanity check nowNov 16 00:20
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schestowitzdecided not toNov 16 00:28
schestowitzas the morning would trigger issue if there's an error anywayNov 16 00:28
schestowitzand the command line would also spew out something if an error occursNov 16 00:28
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vZS1> [00:13]  MinceR: maybe the people need a few more youtube-dl incidents until they learnNov 16 09:48
vZS1I think it's a combination of factorsNov 16 09:48
vZS1Money from GAFAMNov 16 09:48
vZS1Reluctance to run their own development solutionNov 16 09:49
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scientes<schestowitz> 16 09:50
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | An Introduction to IPFS (Interplanetary File System) | Infura Blog | Tutorials, Case Studies, News, Feature AnnouncementsNov 16 09:50
scientesMan, I want some of whatever they are smoking.Nov 16 09:51
vZS1I'm thinking hard about how to effectively leverage available technology to come up with a decentralised development tool. I've got some ideas but I need to prototype them.Nov 16 09:53
schestowitznow we see Google leveraging GitHub too... to censor DRM-swatting toolsNov 16 10:22
schestowitzso on some level not only Microsoft benefits from GitHub monopolyNov 16 10:22
schestowitzthe site is deeply, inherently imperialisticNov 16 10:22
schestowitzworld police for free softwareNov 16 10:22
schestowitzwe need to destroy GitHub and Skype etc.Nov 16 10:22
schestowitzThey're a force of occupationNov 16 10:22
schestowitzFB tooNov 16 10:22
schestowitzit's not an exhaustive listNov 16 10:22
schestowitztechnology is a weaponNov 16 10:22
schestowitzproprietary more soNov 16 10:23
schestowitzand centralisation = consolidation of military powerNov 16 10:23
schestowitzespionage, censorship, spy op (controlling narratives)Nov 16 10:23
schestowitz*psyNov 16 10:23
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vZS1I don't think we'll ever destroy them. What I'm doing is building an alternative where authors of software maintain full control of their entire project. Nov 16 10:59
vZS1The only way to do that is to get the entire suite to fit on a cheap computer like a RPiNov 16 11:00
vZS1There's inherent necessity for some server-client components. That's just what some tools require. What I'm trying is to offload as much on to IPFS as possibleNov 16 11:01
vZS1Not looking to reinvent any wheels. Just use what's available in creative ways, with minor tweaksNov 16 11:02
vZS1Once I've refined the ideas enough, I'll write a white-paper about it with reference examples.Nov 16 11:03
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vZS1Right now I'm thinking about the fundamental interactions between human beings required to develop software. Those will be refined into basic assumptions my system needs to satisfy.Nov 16 11:05
vZS1Then I'll need to work out how to fit tools satisfying those assumptions onto a low-powered computer.Nov 16 11:06
vZS1It shouldn't be too hard. Just need to think about it for a while.Nov 16 11:07
psydroidRPis will also grow up over time, democratising the availability of and access to hardware, so there will be even fewer excuses to resort to clown computing companies and their accomplicesNov 16 11:15
vZS1psydroid: that's a very good pointNov 16 11:16
scientespsydroid, I had the first one, the sheevaplug, but it doesn't solve the bandwidth problemNov 16 11:19
scientesand asyncronous connections are commonNov 16 11:19
scienteswith much higher download speedsNov 16 11:19
vZS1One important thing I'm working with is to offload a lot of the processing work to a separate machine. There's too much bloat in server software today.Nov 16 11:19
scientesand also ISPs often do not provide IPv6Nov 16 11:20
scientesparticularly mobile is often NAT-ipv4-onlyNov 16 11:20
vZS1The nice thing about IPFS is that all you really need to do is maintain indicesNov 16 11:21
vZS1Every application boils down to index managementNov 16 11:22
vZS1And the IPFS objects don't even need to live on the server coordinating indicesNov 16 11:22
AriadnevZS1: by the way, i am planning to publish alpine software repositories to IPFS, to enable a permanent archive (where you can select a date and get the repos that were published as of that date)Nov 16 11:22
vZS1That's my basic guiding principleNov 16 11:23
MinceR16 104932 < vZS1> Reluctance to run their own development solutionNov 16 11:43
MinceRthey don't have to run their own, there are plenty of hosts not run by microshitNov 16 11:43
vZS1Well, I'm going for full autonomy hereNov 16 11:45
vZS1So external hosting is not consideredNov 16 11:45
vZS1As a basic assumptionNov 16 11:45
MinceR 16 11:54
MinceRi suspect many developers are too cheap to run their own serverNov 16 11:55
vZS1They're free to run their project however they wantNov 16 11:56
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schestowitzvZS1: just got an electric splitter so I can hook up more devicesNov 16 12:33
schestowitzmaybe I'll by a second-hand dedicated display for the rapi in DecemberNov 16 12:34
schestowitz 16 12:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/ Names can be misleading and acronyms too. Take FSFE fot example. The (real) FSF opposes the FSFE's use of the "FSF" name (there are leaks to show this) because FSFE does not stand for what FSF stands for. The "E" for Europe? Nope. Biggest sponsors AMERICAN ... #ProprietarySoftware giants Nov 16 12:34
vZS1I just have mine on the bottom of my work desk. My monitor has 2 HDMI ports. One cable is always free for stuff like the PiNov 16 12:34
vZS1That's how I use my air-gapped computersNov 16 12:36
vZS1They don't have any networking on themNov 16 12:36
vZS1I just plug in a keyboard and hook it up to my monitorNov 16 12:36
vZS1Some of them are old so I have a VGA-HDMI adapter for themNov 16 12:37
vZS1Got a few PS/2 keyboards lying around as well, for the old units.Nov 16 12:39
schestowitzcoolNov 16 12:41
schestowitzsounds familiar a habitNov 16 12:41
schestowitzvZS1: the scripts are now chainedNov 16 12:42
oiaohm there are some quite cheap KVM switch solutions out there for cases where monitors don't have  don't have enough ports.Nov 16 12:42
schestowitzas noted after midnightNov 16 12:42
oiaohmFor airgapping.Nov 16 12:42
schestowitzI just had to correct some permission barrier at the server sideNov 16 12:42
schestowitzoiaohm: it's not hard to switch manuallyNov 16 12:42
vZS1Let me check the botNov 16 12:42
schestowitzonly takes like 5 secondsNov 16 12:42
schestowitzTotalIn: 13 GBNov 16 12:43
schestowitzTotalOut: 5.0 GBNov 16 12:43
oiaohmschestowitz: there is the issue of port wear to consider.Nov 16 12:43
schestowitzI spent an hour studying the firefox extensionsNov 16 12:43
schestowitz"companion"Nov 16 12:43
schestowitzand reading about itNov 16 12:43
schestowitzsome of it still flies over my headNov 16 12:43
vZS1The CLI is a lot simplerNov 16 12:43
schestowitzhere's a questionNov 16 12:44
schestowitzI could not easily answerNov 16 12:44
schestowitzwhat command to cat a particular ipfs hash?Nov 16 12:44
schestowitzjust showing its contents in the CLI gives the hash/CIDNov 16 12:44
vZS1`ipfs cat CID`Nov 16 12:45
schestowitzi might want to post about this in techrightsNov 16 12:45
schestowitzand ask people to install it, then pin usNov 16 12:45
schestowitzmaybe the manual you wrote already has something about that to reuseNov 16 12:45
vZS1Sounds like a planNov 16 12:46
vZS1I logged into the PiNov 16 12:47
vZS1Your oneNov 16 12:47
vZS1The bot is workingNov 16 12:47
vZS1Going to head off now. Got stuff to doNov 16 12:49
schestowitzcheersNov 16 12:49
schestowitzliking ipfsNov 16 12:49
vZS1Have a good dayNov 16 12:49
schestowitzwill improve our workflow over timeNov 16 12:49
schestowitzwill promote itNov 16 12:49
schestowitzstill learningNov 16 12:49
oiaohm  hmm this is could get worse in future.Nov 16 12:53
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Amazon's Alexa Can Now Guess What You Want Before You Ask For It - SlashdotNov 16 12:53
scientesoiaohm, do you want to die?Nov 16 13:07
scientesAlexa: yesNov 16 13:07
scientesoiaohm, have you seen the movie Brazil?Nov 16 13:07
oiaohmscientes: the one I was thinking about was this is Amazon manage if Alexa gets smart and you find your self with no money and a huge stack of products that Alexa decided to order for you because it thought you were interested.Nov 16 13:10
oiaohmPackage return from hell.Nov 16 13:10
scientesoiaohm, that is the least of your problems if you have one of those thingsNov 16 13:11
scienteswatch BrazilNov 16 13:11
schestowitz[12:53] <oiaohm>  hmm this is could get worse in future.Nov 16 13:12
schestowitzslashdot = spamNov 16 13:12
schestowitzmarketingNov 16 13:12
schestowitzamazon says amazonNov 16 13:12
schestowitzbill gates saysNov 16 13:12
schestowitztrump thinksNov 16 13:12
schestowitzpfizer claims pfizer ...Nov 16 13:12
schestowitz'journalism'Nov 16 13:12
oiaohmAI forward guessing is possible.Nov 16 13:13
scienteswhy do usb 3 drives need external power adapter?Nov 16 13:13
scientes750 mA not enough?Nov 16 13:14
oiaohmscientes: I have not watched the movie Brazil but its description matches a lot of other movies I have watched over the years.  Like the net and so on.Nov 16 13:15
scientesyou won't regret itNov 16 13:15
scientesgreat movieNov 16 13:15
oiaohmwhen you say usb3 drives needing external power adapters.Nov 16 13:15
oiaohmI guess you mean the harddrives.Nov 16 13:15
scientesyeahNov 16 13:15
scientesthe Xilinx suite takes fucking 70 GBNov 16 13:15
scientesI though 512GB ssd was pretty big, considering I lived with 64GB beforeNov 16 13:16
scientesbut this thing is massiveNov 16 13:16
scienteshmm the 2.5" hard drives seem to work without power adapterNov 16 13:17
scientesonly 3.5" need itNov 16 13:17
oiaohmThat correct.Nov 16 13:17
oiaohmYes it power draw.Nov 16 13:17
oiaohm3.5 inch harddrives to spin up need quite a bit of power.Nov 16 13:18
scientesok, this is still much cheaper than bigger SSDNov 16 13:18
oiaohmfloppy drives and 2.5" can spin up if USB port does provide power up to specification.Nov 16 13:18
oiaohmSome motherboards you have to use a powered hub or the 2.5"/floppy drives are not starting.Nov 16 13:19
oiaohmOr if you have used too long of USB extention cable.Nov 16 13:19
MinceR> FSFE does not stand for what FSF stands for.Nov 16 13:19
MinceRthe FSF no longer stands for what it used to, eitherNov 16 13:19
oiaohmscientes: also its not purely power draw.   Lot of 3.5" drives require 12 volt for the motor as well.  Steping that up from 5 volts has not been particularly fun.Nov 16 13:20
scientesI think I can get a 4GB 2.5" externalNov 16 13:20
oiaohmNormally I would use a caddy and a NAS grade drive.Nov 16 13:21
scientesTB*Nov 16 13:21
oiaohmSome of the prebuild drives are pure crap.Nov 16 13:21
scientesI only have one port + m.2Nov 16 13:21
scientesand I want to keep my m.2 free so I can try to get this FPGA workingNov 16 13:21
scientesalso the external drives are actually cheaperNov 16 13:21
oiaohmThere are WD where the USB controller is intergrated into the harddrive main board.Nov 16 13:21
scientesand buying an external drive and removing the drive is actually something people do.....Nov 16 13:22
oiaohmthey don't think why they are cheaper.Nov 16 13:22
scientesits mainly because of competitionNov 16 13:22
scientesthe volumes are much higher for USBNov 16 13:22
scientesunless you are datacenter/OEMNov 16 13:22
scientesI hate trying to get propritary software workingNov 16 13:23
scientesand not having it be any funNov 16 13:23
scientesspending money and having nothing work is no funNov 16 13:23
scientes 16 13:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-GitHub - RHSResearchLLC/NiteFury-and-LiteFury: Public repository for uEVBNov 16 13:23
scientesI have thisNov 16 13:23
oiaohmscientes: that is not in fact right.Nov 16 13:23
scientesbut I haven't gotten anything working yetNov 16 13:23
oiaohmThe specifcations the external harddrives are made to are way lower than a NAS drive.Nov 16 13:24
oiaohmTo the point that some external hardrives in prebuilt will grind the disk surface off themselves so making 100 percent zero data recovery.Nov 16 13:25
scientesyeah that is why I am thinking I should get a bigger SSDNov 16 13:25
scientesbut it will hold nothing importantNov 16 13:25
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scientesonly this shitty propirtary software and moviesNov 16 13:25
oiaohmLot of cases if you cannot see the SSD or harddrive inside you can fairly much better is their worst grade of drive they make.Nov 16 13:25
oiaohmPrebuild drives you have a horrible risk of it will eat your data basically.Nov 16 13:26
scientesI haven't had a hard drive fail on me yetNov 16 13:26
scientesnot a single oneNov 16 13:26
scientesexcept for software bugs in MicroShitNov 16 13:26
oiaohmI have had 3.5 inch drives fail on me when old that were bought as desktop/NAS.Nov 16 13:27
MinceRi've had a USB drive case fry a HDD in itNov 16 13:27
oiaohmBut I have had prebuild external harddrives fail just warnatiy.Nov 16 13:27
MinceRbecause it didn't have enough coolingNov 16 13:27
MinceRmy prebuilt externals behave far betterNov 16 13:27
oiaohmYes that happens with the prebuilt as well/Nov 16 13:28
MinceRhasn't happened with my WDsyetNov 16 13:28
MinceRs/sy/s y/Nov 16 13:28
oiaohmDon't think prebuilt cases will have suitable cooling for the drive inside yet.Nov 16 13:28
MinceRthey will, if the manufacturer doesn't want to lose a lot on warranty :>Nov 16 13:28
oiaohmOut of the 20 WD external prebuilds I have pulled apart only 1 had correct amount of cooling for the drive inside.Nov 16 13:29
oiaohmThat 20 different models.Nov 16 13:29
oiaohmMinceR: maybe you got lucky and picked one that is right.Nov 16 13:30
MinceRmore like at least 8Nov 16 13:30
oiaohmAlways in AC?Nov 16 13:30
oiaohmwhen in use?Nov 16 13:30
MinceRwhat do you mean?Nov 16 13:30
oiaohmAirconditioned officesNov 16 13:30
MinceRi have no AC hereNov 16 13:30
oiaohmLot of WD drives if you read the specification sheets they are only rated to work in ACNov 16 13:31
oiaohmthat the external ones.Nov 16 13:31
MinceRgreatNov 16 13:31
oiaohmI guess no cooling fan.Nov 16 13:31
MinceRnone of mine have cooling fansNov 16 13:32
oiaohmThe ones designed for not for AC have a fan.Nov 16 13:32
MinceRneither did the non-WD case that fried the HDDNov 16 13:32
oiaohmThat would be another item designed for ACNov 16 13:33
oiaohmAs in under 28 C room.Nov 16 13:33
MinceRi had a replaceable drive caddy in my desktop which had a tiny whiny fan, but that fan eventually brokeNov 16 13:33
oiaohmPreferable under 24CNov 16 13:33
oiaohmAnnoying to avoid wihine fan equals going up to a NAS case.Nov 16 13:35
oiaohmSo you get a 12cm fan.Nov 16 13:35
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oiaohmMinceR: some of the metal case harddrive enclosures will work safely if you put them in airflow outside AC.Nov 16 13:40
oiaohmSo drive with USB fan as traveling kit.Nov 16 13:40
oiaohmSo generally there has to be a fan there by some form.   The plastic case ones the case is basically thermal insulation.Nov 16 13:41
oiaohmNice of you want the drive and circuit wammer not good if you want to keep the temp where it should be.Nov 16 13:41
schestowitz[13:19] <MinceR> the FSF no longer stands for what it used to, eitherNov 16 13:46
schestowitzThat's another issue LOL and it did not fly over my head when I typed iotNov 16 13:46
schestowitzI'm not even sure GNU stands for GNU anymoreNov 16 13:46
schestowitzSeeing GNOME statements and Guix petitionNov 16 13:47
schestowitzGnu GNUNov 16 13:47
schestowitzthe new orderNov 16 13:47
schestowitzMicrosoft Word New OrderNov 16 13:47
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MinceRoiaohm: the one that failed was metalNov 16 15:34
MinceRalso, it seems to me that the WD MyBooks (based on 3.5" drives) have a lot of airflow holes and are much bigger than the actual HDDNov 16 15:34
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schestowitzAriadne: 16 16:04
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schestowitz 16 16:05
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schestowitzMicrosoft: OOO SHITTTTEE!!!Nov 16 16:05
schestowitzPeople #deleteGithub ... quick!!! We gotta do something. No, not that shite we made up about "Arctic vault" when ICE backlash caused chaos.Nov 16 16:06
scientesschestowitz, that is a real game?Nov 16 16:07
scientesI thought it was a jokeNov 16 16:07
scienteswell, of course it is a jokeNov 16 16:07
scientesbut a really well-developed jokeNov 16 16:07
schestowitzthe graphics looks okNov 16 16:08
schestowitzthe story is right up some people's alleyNov 16 16:08
scientesWorld of Goo is a really polished gameNov 16 16:08
scienteswith stellar 2D physicsNov 16 16:08
DaemonFC[m]Plasma 5.18 LTS seems to be relatively trouble-free for me.Nov 16 16:11
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: Someone was mentioning the HP Spectre, and some Linux distributions are a little cranky on it apparently, but Ubuntu 20.04 LTS works fine on the latest model from what I was told.Nov 16 16:12
DaemonFC[m]They said Kubuntu had HiDPI issues. I assume they're just the ones I've been running into all along.Nov 16 16:12
DaemonFC[m]They are pretty trivial to fix. You just have to set it to scale the desktop properly and then resize the panel.Nov 16 16:13
DaemonFC[m]I do wish they would fix that though with autodetect.Nov 16 16:13
DaemonFC[m]On a 5 star scale, I'd say 4 stars, just because people see that and go wtf, even though it's quite easy to fix.Nov 16 16:13
DaemonFC[m]On a FHD display it works just fine out of the box though.Nov 16 16:13
DaemonFC[m]And those have become the standard quality of display you get on a sub $1,000 laptop and therefore what most people will see Plasma on.Nov 16 16:14
DaemonFC[m]This laptop was about 4 years ahead of its time in many ways and Lenovo got so many things right with the hardware that most of the newer laptops are just not that compelling.Nov 16 16:14
DaemonFC[m]To be a fair critic here, Windows 10 actually had more problems with the hardware around the time it launched. The Intel graphics crashed the programs you tried to run quite often, the HiDPI scaling was (maybe still is) a complete joke.Nov 16 16:16
DaemonFC[m]Like it would work but programs that did not know what it was looked stretched and fuzzy to the point where they actually look better running on Wine.Nov 16 16:16
DaemonFC[m]If Lenovo wanted a good customer experience, they would have been shipping some sort of Linux distribution on these things all along because the hardware support was so much farther along.Nov 16 16:17
DaemonFC[m]mjg59mentioned power management sucked, but if you looked at Windows 10 it was actually much worse.Nov 16 16:18
DaemonFC[m]Especially at idle and it rarely, if ever, got past pc2 or 3, and that was Windows 10, you know.Nov 16 16:18
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DaemonFC[m]What it was "designed for", and now Linux gets to pc7 or pc8 quite often, and even then it would get to deeper sleep states than Windows 10 easily.Nov 16 16:18
DaemonFC[m]At idle, Windows 10 was drawing 11-12 watts and Linux at the same time with GNOME and some power tweaks was hitting 5-6. Now Linux at idle is usually 3-4.Nov 16 16:19
schestowitzVista10 is never idleNov 16 16:20
schestowitzit's always talkingNov 16 16:20
DaemonFC[m]They claimed an all day battery with Windows 10, but Windows 10 would last 4-5 hours at best when the battery was brand new.Nov 16 16:20
DaemonFC[m]Linux was hitting 7-8.Nov 16 16:20
DaemonFC[m]This is my second battery, and Linux can now get to 9 or maybe 9.5 hours.Nov 16 16:20
schestowitzwhen you press the calculator's digit it's talking alsoNov 16 16:20
DaemonFC[m]Yeah, there's always something keeping the CPU from hitting deeper sleep states on Windows, whether that be bugs in Windows or just the spyware keeping something up.Nov 16 16:21
DaemonFC[m]So Garrett was dishonest as usual and figured nobody would ever fact check.Nov 16 16:21
DaemonFC[m]It's like listening to President for the next 60 days Trump with his alternative facts, whatever those are. Nov 16 16:21
DaemonFC[m]It's not just the spurious allegations of you condoning rape.Nov 16 16:22
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DaemonFC[m]He flat out lied about power management on my particular laptop, rushing to the defense of Microsoft and Lenovo, and if we're very generous we'll just say he was talking out his ass based on assumption and speculation.Nov 16 16:22
DaemonFC[m]In fact, I mentioned that I was not seeing this "horrible" (compared with Windows 10) power situation once the firmware was fixed and I could run Linux that he was talking about, but Garrett is a very evasive and squirrely person who will run and hide when he's losing and then come out to take pot shots. Nov 16 16:24
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz They also lie about the Intel mitigation drag. Nov 16 16:25
DaemonFC[m]It's much worse, collectively, than they admit, in certain situations.Nov 16 16:25
DaemonFC[m]For example, with the defaults I can only get WavPack to transcode from FLAC at about 2x, but with all of them turned off it's just shy of 6x all of a sudden.Nov 16 16:27
DaemonFC[m]So I can either get by with a horribly crippled processor or at my own risk.Nov 16 16:27
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schestowitz[16:21] <DaemonFC[m]> So Garrett was dishonest as usual and figured nobody would ever fact check.Nov 16 16:30
schestowitzI don't view Garrett as muchNov 16 16:31
schestowitzhe's good at hacking and undermining security, apparentlyNov 16 16:31
schestowitzbut that says little or nothing about software freedom, science, honesty etc.Nov 16 16:31
schestowitzin fact, if you were to ask me, the sort of ommunity he's in has been full of perverts and "Crims"Nov 16 16:31
schestowitzpeople who break things for "shits and giggles"Nov 16 16:32
scienteshe is just a SJWNov 16 16:32
scientesbut not a bad personNov 16 16:32
schestowitzhe can be bad if he targets youNov 16 16:32
schestowitzfor "shits and giggles"Nov 16 16:32
scienteswell yesNov 16 16:32
schestowitz"fart fart fart"Nov 16 16:33
schestowitzsee some of his tweetsNov 16 16:33
scienteslike believing in MS and security-for-us bootNov 16 16:33
schestowitzeven worse I've seenNov 16 16:33
schestowitzlots of security pretense is imperialisticNov 16 16:33
schestowitzposers basicallyNov 16 16:33
scientesEFI has been a massive blow for software freedomNov 16 16:33
schestowitzmjg59 participates in all that posting at timesNov 16 16:33
scientesand no x86 systems boot without signed firmware these daysNov 16 16:33
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: Microsoft's security was so bad that I figured out how to takeover MSN chat rooms when I was like 14, right?Nov 16 16:34
schestowitzas if giving keys to someone else will save us from mythical rootkits and bootkitsNov 16 16:34
schestowitzpeople are more likely to be attacked on other surfaces/vectorsNov 16 16:34
DaemonFC[m]Tossed everyone out of the Computer Help room and made myself the HOST (owner).Nov 16 16:34
scientes(which was Intel's plan)Nov 16 16:34
schestowitzno need to boot some shit on WindowsNov 16 16:34
scientesEFI was Intel's plan to steal the platform from WindowsNov 16 16:34
schestowitzyou just sent them rogue Windows Update or email with executableNov 16 16:34
DaemonFC[m]I gave it back eventually after making them say please.Nov 16 16:34
scientesby putting their own OS under WindowsNov 16 16:34
schestowitzor use the latest microsoft 0-dayNov 16 16:34
schestowitzunpatched at the NSA's requestNov 16 16:34
schestowitzso he participates in what Torvbalds called "masturbating monkets"Nov 16 16:35
DaemonFC[m]I plan to either get a Pixelbook or a System76 laptop eventually probably.Nov 16 16:35
scientesand EFI is also why x86 computers boot so damn slowNov 16 16:35
schestowitzbragging about things that the ordinary person does not and won't benefit fromNov 16 16:35
schestowitzBTWNov 16 16:35
DaemonFC[m]I can no longer be bothered with substandard software that doesn't work right, or ever, and that definitely rules out Windows.Nov 16 16:35
schestowitzTorvalds hates himNov 16 16:35
scientesbecause Torvalds is saneNov 16 16:35
DaemonFC[m]And uEFI is the most poorly written mess I've ever seen.Nov 16 16:35
schestowitzlook at some of their exchanges in lkmlNov 16 16:35
schestowitzafaik, Torvalds is OK with meNov 16 16:36
DaemonFC[m]It makes the legacy BIOS look fucking perfect in comparison.Nov 16 16:36
schestowitznever told me something rude directly or indirectlyNov 16 16:36
schestowitzbut he works for LFNov 16 16:36
scienteshe is naรฏevely stupid about software freedomNov 16 16:36
scientesbut saneNov 16 16:36
schestowitzso he needs to be careful what he saysNov 16 16:36
schestowitz[16:35] <DaemonFC[m]> I plan to either get a Pixelbook or a System76 laptop eventually probably.Nov 16 16:36
schestowitzthose are overpricedNov 16 16:36
scientesthe GPL2-GPL3 split is very poisonous to solidarityNov 16 16:37
scientespushes lots of hackers to permissive licensesNov 16 16:37
schestowitzbut sure, they at least support gnu/linux on practiceNov 16 16:37
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: You get what you pay for really, with hardware.Nov 16 16:37
DaemonFC[m]Most stuff intended for retail under $1,000 just doesn't hold up.Nov 16 16:37
schestowitzyou could buy refurbished and wipeNov 16 16:37
schestowitzso the "tax" was paid by someone elseNov 16 16:37
scientesjust get a thinkpadNov 16 16:37
schestowitzeven more priceyNov 16 16:37
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: Yes, that's certainly an option. Scratch and dent stuff from Amazon is often 20-25% off.Nov 16 16:38
DaemonFC[m]You can score a $1,300 laptop under $1,000 for sure and it's never even been used.Nov 16 16:38
scientesyeah but thinkpads are actually designed for spilling water on the keyboardNov 16 16:38
schestowitzstill overpricedNov 16 16:38
schestowitzno laptop is worth that muchNov 16 16:38
scientesI only buy them usedNov 16 16:38
schestowitzyou could buy 5 for that priceNov 16 16:38
schestowitzthen group themNov 16 16:38
scientesif you are in SF the used laptop market is excellentNov 16 16:38
schestowitzelectron kills emNov 16 16:38
schestowitzno 32 gb of ram? TRASH!Nov 16 16:39
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: Well, it's like this really.... You can go 5 years and buy three pieces of junk that go on the fritz and nobody stands behind it.Nov 16 16:39
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scienteshahahahahahahaNov 16 16:39
scienteselecTRONNov 16 16:39
DaemonFC[m]Or you can just buy one quality product and end up shelling out less to begin with, and no disruptions.Nov 16 16:39
schestowitzErecTONNov 16 16:39
scienteshahahahaaNov 16 16:39
scientessupposedly spaceX is "pwoered" by chromiumNov 16 16:39
schestowitztabs that take up 1gb of ramNov 16 16:40
DaemonFC[m]I'm just not sure about those $479 laptops at Walmart. The hardware looks fine mostly.Nov 16 16:40
schestowitzand are NOT a virtual desktop running kde plasma5Nov 16 16:40
scientese17 is actually quite goodNov 16 16:40
DaemonFC[m]But what corners did they cut to get there? Is there a shoddy battery, a keyboard that will break, a screen that will short out?Nov 16 16:40
scientesTizon switched to e17 before foldingNov 16 16:40
scientesthey also developed systemd --userNov 16 16:40
schestowitz*TizenNov 16 16:40
DaemonFC[m]You don't get to <$500 without sacrificing something.Nov 16 16:40
schestowitzI think it's not deadNov 16 16:40
schestowitznot officially anywayNov 16 16:40
schestowitzsome people still use itNov 16 16:41
schestowitzI think in developing marketsNov 16 16:41
schestowitztheir lack of software is a barrierNov 16 16:41
DaemonFC[m]They can get away with it on phones because those ARM boards are cheap as heell and reasonably performant and Android has gotten better,Nov 16 16:41
scientesyeah, but pinephone is the only thing with momentum anymoreNov 16 16:41
schestowitzwe used to support the tizen infra Nov 16 16:41
scientessailfishOS could have had the momentum if they had better PRNov 16 16:41
schestowitzwe still get domain registration reminders Nov 16 16:41
scientespinephone bugs are doing greatNov 16 16:41
scientesI get mine soonNov 16 16:41
DaemonFC[m]Also, there's not as much actual hardware there, so no keyboard, one physical port, etc.Nov 16 16:41
scientesI just love their community involvementNov 16 16:41
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: But something pissed me off yesterday.Nov 16 16:42
schestowitzTrump's g/f?Nov 16 16:42
DaemonFC[m]I was in Walmart using my photo gallery and this thing popped up over the app asking me to back up my photos on OneDrive, which I had disabled.Nov 16 16:42
schestowitzOneDrive, one NationNov 16 16:42
DaemonFC[m]Microsoft is determined as hell to pester you on Android even if you've removed or disabled their shitty apps.Nov 16 16:42
schestowitzOne World, One Web, One Program.Nov 16 16:43
schestowitz - Ad for Internet ExplorerNov 16 16:43
schestowitzEin Volk, Ein Reich, Ein Fรผhrer.Nov 16 16:43
schestowitz - Adolf HitlerNov 16 16:43
DaemonFC[m]They're even baked into the firmware in some places on Samsung, like a button to "Connect to Windows.".Nov 16 16:43
schestowitzthey put those "apps" there using patent blackmailNov 16 16:43
schestowitzto "settle"Nov 16 16:43
DaemonFC[m]Which is funny because I'm using KDE Connect on it and I can take control of my laptop for the most part with that.Nov 16 16:43
DaemonFC[m]And beam things back and forth just fine.Nov 16 16:43
schestowitzThey sued Samsung in 2015Nov 16 16:43
schestowitzThe 'new' MicrosoftNov 16 16:43
schestowitznadellaNov 16 16:43
schestowitzAround the time they said they "love Linux"Nov 16 16:44
schestowitzthey sued SamsungNov 16 16:44
schestowitzDon't tell SJVNNov 16 16:44
DaemonFC[m]The Best Buy guy said "Oh you can disable or remove almost all of that.".Nov 16 16:44
schestowitzHe'll go on a rant saying the victim is nastyNov 16 16:44
schestowitzsomething "about Trump"Nov 16 16:44
schestowitzso it's OK for Microsoft to assault LinuxNov 16 16:44
schestowitzBecause "trump something"Nov 16 16:44
DaemonFC[m]He wasn't lying. Hell, maybe Microsoft is the reason that the Galaxy S20 FE was $100 cheaper than the Pixel 4a 5G.Nov 16 16:44
DaemonFC[m]Bribery you know.Nov 16 16:44
DaemonFC[m]Pay them to barrage you with junk. Nov 16 16:45
schestowitzpreloadsNov 16 16:45
schestowitzMicrosoft even sold S phonesNov 16 16:45
schestowitzwith Windows and "Cloud" junkNov 16 16:45
schestowitzdidn't go wellNov 16 16:45
schestowitzbut they try to dominate AndroidNov 16 16:45
schestowitzThrough "apps"Nov 16 16:45
schestowitzMicrosoft loves everythingNov 16 16:45
schestowitzesp. when they "wrest control"Nov 16 16:45
schestowitz 16 16:45
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DaemonFC[m]Yeah, "dominate". It's a good word. In the sense that Trump tried "dominating" the debate.Nov 16 16:47
DaemonFC[m]Nothing important. Just interruptions and aggravations to show that he was going to troll the entire thing.Nov 16 16:47
schestowitz 16 16:48
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Don't activate the "Let's Go" button in the Windows 10 Settings application - gHacks Tech NewsNov 16 16:48
schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: Gates "dominates" the covid debateNov 16 16:48
schestowitzlook at the mediaNov 16 16:48
schestowitzBill Gates thinksNov 16 16:48
schestowitzBill Gates plansNov 16 16:48
schestowitzBill Gates saysNov 16 16:48
XRevan86scientes: 16 16:48
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ะกะตะปะพ ะทะฐ ะŸัƒั‚ะธะฝะฐ! - YouTubeNov 16 16:48
schestowitzBill Gates pondersNov 16 16:48
schestowitzBill Gates predictsNov 16 16:49
schestowitzBill Gates didn't finish collegeNov 16 16:49
schestowitzBill Gates is no computer scientistNov 16 16:49
schestowitzBill Gates is no medical proNov 16 16:49
schestowitzBill Gates isn't without criminal record :-)Nov 16 16:49
schestowitzbut money!Nov 16 16:49
schestowitzwhat did  bill invest?Nov 16 16:49
schestowitzmoneyNov 16 16:49
schestowitzoh waitNov 16 16:49
schestowitznoNov 16 16:49
schestowitzthat's what his grandparents didNov 16 16:49
schestowitzand his parents were already rich anywayNov 16 16:50
schestowitz:-DNov 16 16:50
schestowitzBut he dominatesNov 16 16:50
schestowitzMicrosoft dominatesNov 16 16:50
schestowitzBill's mom dominated the IBM BoardNov 16 16:50
scientesXRevan86, brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrNov 16 16:50
schestowitzso they gave failing bill (already failing companies) a contractNov 16 16:50
schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: did you see headline about android/google and gates?Nov 16 16:51
schestowitzhe blames the "government" for android dominationNov 16 16:51
schestowitzthe governmentNov 16 16:51
schestowitzlike those vets who shout in the streetsNov 16 16:51
DaemonFC[m]Microsoft is trying to push itself as a "premium" product, like you buy a laptop that's sky high expensive and you do get great hardware, but unfortunately it comes with this complete mess, Windows 10.Nov 16 16:51
schestowitz"big government"Nov 16 16:51
schestowitzbecause antitrust action sought to enforce the law, belatedlyNov 16 16:51
schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: premium cocaineNov 16 16:52
DaemonFC[m]Even without all of the bloatware from OEMs (which is part of the retail price you pay even if you do nuke it and run Linux), Windows 10 is too unreliable and foul tempered to try to use for any period of time.Nov 16 16:52
schestowitzbest of the best, puts you to sleepNov 16 16:52
schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: someone from Microsoft told me he needs to reboot every weekNov 16 16:52
schestowitzbecause like 16-32gb of  ram is not enoughNov 16 16:53
schestowitzit adds upNov 16 16:53
schestowitzleaks and stuffNov 16 16:53
schestowitzmemory running lowNov 16 16:53
schestowitzso must rebootNov 16 16:53
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: Well, I'd say if the Spectre is a wipe and put Linux on it solution and the Surface needs its own fucking kernel....Nov 16 16:53
schestowitzI've not reboot this laptop in 110 days nowNov 16 16:53
DaemonFC[m]Why would people be doing the Surface and not the HP Spectre for a wipe and install job?Nov 16 16:53
schestowitzbrb, gonna post Daily LinksNov 16 16:54
DaemonFC[m]I mean, if you need a "surface-Linux" kernel package that should raise alarm bells. it means those drivers are not even good enough to be in -staging, which most distributions build out of anyway.Nov 16 16:54
DaemonFC[m]So you're unlikely to have a good time with it, right?Nov 16 16:54
DaemonFC[m]I'm fine with -staging drivers that definitely have a future and that's why they're in there right now.Nov 16 16:55
DaemonFC[m]But surface-linux kernels that people can just walk away from? One a $1,600 laptop? Nope.Nov 16 16:55
DaemonFC[m]*onNov 16 16:55
psydroidI don't know why anyone would buy those expensive unfixable Surface devices that are designed to run only Windows and then try to put Linux on themNov 16 16:56
DaemonFC[m]I mean, you can, but why would you?Nov 16 16:56
DaemonFC[m]It's not the best hardware, certainly not at the best price for what you're getting, and it needs out of tree drivers that could do anything.Nov 16 16:56
psydroidif anything people should steer clear of them and let that become another failed Microsoft experimentNov 16 16:56
DaemonFC[m]I wouldn't buy a laptop without at least 16 GB of RAM.Nov 16 16:57
scientespsydroid, same for jailbreaking iPhonesNov 16 16:57
DaemonFC[m]That's my red line right there, not because I am used to running laptops out of RAM, but because 10% of the time I use the laptop I exceed 8 GB of RAM and I don't want to occasionally walk into a problem.Nov 16 16:58
DaemonFC[m]I think 16 GB should be the floor right now. I really do.Nov 16 16:58
DaemonFC[m]16 GB is a "never worry about it" amount of RAM for me and so I'll buy it expecting to rarely use all of it, and if I don't that's fine. The remainder isn't wasted. It's a disk cache.Nov 16 16:59
DaemonFC[m]The idea of Windows devices with 8 GB or 4 GB is comical.Nov 16 16:59
psydroidI am on a Zbook Studio G3 that I could just not get Linux on for the first 6 months due to UEFI bugs, but after that I upgraded the RAM to 32 GB and put another SSD in so I could go back to being productive without having to run everything in a Linux VM because I just don't trust MS at all to do anything in an acceptable wayNov 16 16:59
psydroidI was so relieved because the MS POS would still crash several times a week while running only Virtualbox with my Linux VMNov 16 17:00
DaemonFC[m]I would maybe go as low as 8 on a Chromebook.Nov 16 17:00
DaemonFC[m]And the reason, of course, is that zram setup they have, which is brilliant. Nov 16 17:01
DaemonFC[m]It's pleasant to use at 4 GB so I think even with lots of Linux apps running 8 would be enough for the life of the computer.Nov 16 17:01
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scientesworking in a VM is tortureNov 16 17:03
scientesI've done itNov 16 17:03
DaemonFC[m]They really throw a lot of software tricks into optimizing Chromebooks for low RAM.Nov 16 17:03
DaemonFC[m]Helps get the prices down and the user probably won't notice.Nov 16 17:03
DaemonFC[m]But Windows 10, and everyone who buys a Windows 10 S device for those prices, only lives to regret it.Nov 16 17:04
DaemonFC[m]They say even with 4 GB it's slow and terrible. Nov 16 17:04
MinceR16 173214 < scientes> he is just a SJWNov 16 17:06
MinceR16 173220 < scientes> but not a bad personNov 16 17:06
MinceRcontradiction in termsNov 16 17:06
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psydroidmy Windows 10 VM with 4 cores and 12 GB of RAM (which I needed for ModelSim recently) is still slow and I only expect things to get worse to the point that you would need to buy more and more powerful systems to keep that monster running at acceptable speedNov 16 17:10
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psydroidChromebooks are selling better and better these days and with Lenovo's movement towards Linux preloads it looks like hardware vendors are growing wary of MS and Windows tooNov 16 17:11
schestowitz[17:06] <MinceR> contradiction in termsNov 16 17:12
schestowitzhe made American Great AgainNov 16 17:12
schestowitzby untaxing the richNov 16 17:12
schestowitzwho were already largely untaxedNov 16 17:12
schestowitzSJW = fake populismNov 16 17:12
schestowitzoften leveraged by the most privileged peopleNov 16 17:13
schestowitznot the ones who riot and actually scare the crap out of the richNov 16 17:13
schestowitzand cause them to >actually< make some concessions in exchange for peace/calm/biz as usualNov 16 17:13
schestowitzfake population = we'll take away wordsNov 16 17:13
MinceRSJW = trendy bigotryNov 16 17:13
schestowitzdoneNov 16 17:14
schestowitzno bad wordsNov 16 17:14
schestowitzgo back to work, ladsNov 16 17:14
schestowitz(and gals... not many of you... except in our marketing brochure)Nov 16 17:14
schestowitz(in the "Diversity" and "Recruitment" section)Nov 16 17:14
schestowitzFor the PR "checklist"Nov 16 17:14
MinceRdid you just assume their genders?Nov 16 17:14
schestowitzthese days you can't even name gender and pronounsNov 16 17:15
DaemonFC[m]Reverse racism is just racism.Nov 16 17:15
schestowitzyou might accidentally offend someoneNov 16 17:15
DaemonFC[m]It still fosters resentment, and that's part of why Trump got elected.Nov 16 17:15
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schestowitz"Newspeak contains no negative terms. For example, the only way to express the meaning of 'bad' is through the word 'ungood.' Something extremely bad is called 'doubleplus ungood.'" "Nov 16 17:16
schestowitzWe need ungendered language with no negative worksNov 16 17:16
DaemonFC[m]I guess Biden will try to unwind the decisions to give white and black people equal access to higher education if they have equal test scores.Nov 16 17:16
schestowitz"not good" would be as negative as it gets ;-)Nov 16 17:16
DaemonFC[m]Of course Garrett is one of those pussies who says that they make the tests impossible for black people, which is racist because he would then be asserting that black people are incapable of studying for a test and that the standard should be lowered for them.Nov 16 17:17
DaemonFC[m]Which is how we got here in the first place.Nov 16 17:17
schestowitzTrump is  'doubleplus ungood.'Nov 16 17:18
DaemonFC[m]When you ask them an example of a racist SAT question, they go "Well, how the fuck is a black person supposed to know the meaning of that word?" and they say a word and I'm like "I don't fucking know that word! I need 'affirmative action' apparently. Who knew?'".Nov 16 17:18
schestowitzcustomising tests and standards for different groups is not helpingNov 16 17:19
schestowitzbecause the customisation process itself make offensive presumptionsNov 16 17:19
DaemonFC[m]But their question implies that black people are dumber than white people and the test needs to be watered down.Nov 16 17:19
schestowitzif you lower the bar in recruitment of women...Nov 16 17:19
schestowitzwhat does that say?Nov 16 17:19
schestowitzabout you and the company?Nov 16 17:19
schestowitzthat you presume women are less abled thinkersNov 16 17:19
DaemonFC[m]Even though I'm white and you get me in there and I wouldn't get that question right either, and you know, totally because I'm black oh wait I'm not. :/Nov 16 17:19
schestowitzwomen aren't stupid and they can see thisNov 16 17:19
schestowitzit offends and can cause resentmentNov 16 17:20
vZS1Don't forget about swap space. It comes in handy when you want to compile things but don't have enough RAM.Nov 16 17:20
schestowitzif you're a disabled athletes you know your limitationsNov 16 17:20
schestowitzand they are visibleNov 16 17:20
schestowitzfor women, nothing is visibleNov 16 17:20
DaemonFC[m]English is littered with words that almost nobody uses.Nov 16 17:20
vZS1I'm actually thinking of plugging in a USB stick into my Pi as dedicated swap space module. Should help when RAM gets scarceNov 16 17:21
DaemonFC[m]Not even the people that make these tests use those words.Nov 16 17:21
schestowitzand balancing the scales artificially means  you subscribe into the theory of "lesser women brains"Nov 16 17:21
DaemonFC[m]It's elitism and pretty much nothing else.Nov 16 17:21
CrystalMathschestowitz: i've seen Red Hat employees actually insist that they're woke for saying that women are unable to take criticismNov 16 17:21
CrystalMathseriouslyNov 16 17:21
schestowitzvZS1: he doesn't compile anythingNov 16 17:21
schestowitzjust postingNov 16 17:21
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CrystalMaththis was on some reddit IBM "AMA"Nov 16 17:22
schestowitzlistening to some Pet Shop Boys, using IRC, Web browserNov 16 17:22
DaemonFC[m]Women can't stand criticism and black people and women are stupid. See how progressive I am?Nov 16 17:22
DaemonFC[m]Give me a job at Red Hat.Nov 16 17:22
schestowitzsays he's buy no laptop with <16gb of ramNov 16 17:22
vZS1Every for running daemons, it's a bit slow but at least you can operate.Nov 16 17:22
schestowitzRed Hat employs few womenNov 16 17:23
schestowitzthey allocate them to non-tech rolesNov 16 17:23
DaemonFC[m]Even Elon Musk doesn't have a hard requirement for any sort of college degree.Nov 16 17:23
schestowitzand they boast selectively about those deptsNov 16 17:23
DaemonFC[m]Said so, anyway.Nov 16 17:23
schestowitzlike marketingNov 16 17:23
DaemonFC[m]So much of what college has turned into are years and years of things that make absolutely no sense in the real world just to run up the meter.Nov 16 17:23
schestowitzthis also means women a red aht get the low-paying jobsNov 16 17:23
schestowitzbut they don't like to measure those thingsNov 16 17:24
DaemonFC[m]You know? Like a quarter of your studies now are just absolute bullshit designed to run up the bill.Nov 16 17:24
schestowitzmakes IBM look bad and dishonestNov 16 17:24
schestowitzimagine testosterone-run companies employing lots of female maids, paying them barely minimum wageNov 16 17:24
DaemonFC[m]If they can soak every person that goes there, to a state college, for another $20,000, that turns into real money.Nov 16 17:24
DaemonFC[m]So that's what they do.Nov 16 17:24
DaemonFC[m]That's why it's gotten completely out of control and the only way to win is to not play.Nov 16 17:25
schestowitz[17:23] <DaemonFC[m]> Even Elon Musk doesn't have a hard requirement for any sort of college degree.Nov 16 17:25
schestowitzLiar and frraudNov 16 17:25
schestowitzlike LarrisonNov 16 17:25
DaemonFC[m]It's also why our country is breaking down and is top heavy with idiots who can't get a job.Nov 16 17:25
schestowitz*keepNov 16 17:26
schestowitzthat's differentNov 16 17:26
schestowitzoppressibe work environments shock peopleNov 16 17:26
schestowitzsome would rather be poorNov 16 17:26
DaemonFC[m]You know what makes me think "Progressive"? A company full of white men pontificating about how dumb and incapable those women and blacks are.Nov 16 17:26
DaemonFC[m](Red Hat)Nov 16 17:26
schestowitzthan oppressedNov 16 17:26
DaemonFC[m]Then they go into the next stage of Progressive Politics.Nov 16 17:26
schestowitzlike, in Europe many work strictly 9-5Nov 16 17:26
schestowitzhealth coverage, leave etc.Nov 16 17:26
DaemonFC[m]"But it's not their fault they're stupid. They must be abled in some way!"Nov 16 17:26
schestowitzand hard to fire themNov 16 17:26
DaemonFC[m]"Perhaps we can have quotas!"Nov 16 17:26
schestowitzlike in NorwayNov 16 17:26
DaemonFC[m]You want to fix the fucking problem, you have to get rid of these administrators and student loan companies who are bilking people just for a chance.Nov 16 17:27
DaemonFC[m]You know?Nov 16 17:27
DaemonFC[m]Quotas and condescension are never going to fix this. Nov 16 17:28
DaemonFC[m]And that's really what mjg59 is doing. That's what he stands for. Nov 16 17:28
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DaemonFC[m]It's bad enough that the average 4 year college education is now $60,000, but that's at 6% interest too, and it starts accruing, deferred, when the first payment goes out and you won't even be paying on it for years.Nov 16 17:29
DaemonFC[m]So first, you get rid of the bureaucracy that is adding unnecessary cost and then you get rid of interest, or only charge an amount equal to inflation.Nov 16 17:30
DaemonFC[m]It's also not helping that these colleges are showing preference to foreigners who they can bill more, who just take our skills and use them to compete with us.Nov 16 17:31
DaemonFC[m]This foreign student thing was another one of Maricel's fucking ideas.Nov 16 17:31
DaemonFC[m]And I put an end to that, right quick, believe you me.Nov 16 17:31
DaemonFC[m]She's probably still over there ready to have an infarction over what I did to her "plans". Then she thought she could start the whole process over with Mandy's brother and use him as a house slave.Nov 16 17:33
DaemonFC[m]But the last thing I did on Facebook before I deleted my account was warn the guy what she did to Mandy and then he never even tried to come over here.Nov 16 17:33
DaemonFC[m]These people who think very highly of themselves because they have a college degree never think anyone "lesser" than them will think more strategically, schestowitz Nov 16 17:34
schestowitzI mostly agree with the latter thoughtsNov 16 17:35
schestowitzI disagree with most of what you said about womenNov 16 17:35
schestowitzmyself and another admin think you overuse your gaynessNov 16 17:35
schestowitzto abuse and bash womenNov 16 17:35
schestowitzbut about college scans I agreeNov 16 17:35
DaemonFC[m]The reason I'm still here after last year was because I got into the mindset of "This is war and I'm outgunned and surrounded and, what do I do?".Nov 16 17:35
schestowitzthose are the fiscal aspects of scamsNov 16 17:35
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: I don't think women and black people are stupid, I was saying Red Hat does.Nov 16 17:36
scientesschestowitz, if they only lived on-site then it would have some resilianceNov 16 17:36
DaemonFC[m]And so does mjg59.Nov 16 17:36
schestowitzand sometimes diversity is used to amplify the scope and breath of scamsNov 16 17:36
scientesbut they removed many of the railroads in EuropeNov 16 17:36
schestowitzlike patent litigationNov 16 17:36
schestowitzas in, "We need more woman in patents"Nov 16 17:36
scientes"American dream"Nov 16 17:36
schestowitzmeans, "let's give women lots of patents"Nov 16 17:36
schestowitzmore litigationNov 16 17:36
DaemonFC[m]And instead of talking about the real problems they talk of schemes to put people who may well not be qualified, in power.Nov 16 17:36
schestowitzor more women lawyers, more lawsuitsNov 16 17:36
DaemonFC[m]Like Carly Fiorina.Nov 16 17:36
schestowitzit's not about women at allNov 16 17:36
schestowitzit's about overcrowding courtsNov 16 17:36
DaemonFC[m]Maybe Red Hat can hire her. She's got lady parts.Nov 16 17:36
schestowitzmilitary wants blacksNov 16 17:37
schestowitzmore cannon fodderNov 16 17:37
schestowitzeven less accountable to themNov 16 17:37
schestowitztheir families are poorerNov 16 17:37
scienteswith all the border closures it is as if the EU doesn't existNov 16 17:37
scientesthat is a big blow to the patent scamsNov 16 17:37
scientesbeurocratic hellNov 16 17:37
scientesand also beurocratic attention-gettingNov 16 17:37
schestowitz[17:36] <DaemonFC[m]> And instead of talking about the real problems they talk of schemes to put people who may well not be qualified, in power.Nov 16 17:37
schestowitzZemlinNov 16 17:38
schestowitz 16 17:38
schestowitz"JZ: When Covalent Technologies ended up being acquired by VMware, I kind of started having a midlife crisis. At that time I thought of becoming a chef, a professional rock climberโ€ฆ "Nov 16 17:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Interview โ€“ Meet Jim Zemlin ยป Linux MagazineNov 16 17:38
DaemonFC[m]<schestowitz "military wants blacks"> Black and brown people.Nov 16 17:38
schestowitzthen he became the boss of someone who ACTUALLY accomplished somethingNov 16 17:38
DaemonFC[m]There's no downside to war when it's not middle class whites being drafted.Nov 16 17:38
schestowitzand wiped Ballmer's arse to keep his job thereNov 16 17:38
DaemonFC[m]Nixon said it.Nov 16 17:38
scientesLinux Magazine: Can you tell us a bit about your childhood and your exposure to computers? What kind of technical background do you have?Nov 16 17:39
scientesJim Zemlin: I have a very weak technical background.Nov 16 17:39
scienteshahahahahahahaNov 16 17:39
schestowitzyeahNov 16 17:39
schestowitzthat tooNov 16 17:39
schestowitzI quoted it beforeNov 16 17:39
schestowitzhe speaks of his grandpaNov 16 17:39
schestowitzgo reseach CrayNov 16 17:39
scienteswhateverNov 16 17:39
schestowitzhis grandpa is never mentionedNov 16 17:39
schestowitzoverambitious claimNov 16 17:39
schestowitzmaybe he was "friends" with the founder, and that's about all there was to itNov 16 17:40
schestowitzZemlin is a big phat phonyNov 16 17:40
scientes> JZ: When Covalent Technologies ended up being acquired by VMware, I kind of started having a midlife crisis. At that time I thought of becoming a chef, a professional rock climberโ€ฆ But I really got intrigued by the open source community. I got involved with the idea of creating a standardized way to run applications across the variety of different Linux distributions. That was sort of a response to fragmentation in Unix. That led me tNov 16 17:40
scienteso working on the Linux Foundation by essentially consolidating a lot of different open source organizations into what the modern Linux Foundation is.Nov 16 17:40
scientesbut this is fineNov 16 17:40
scientesPR doesn't require technical excellenceNov 16 17:40
scientesit doesn't have to be LWNNov 16 17:40
schestowitzit becomes politicsNov 16 17:40
schestowitzcorporate politicsNov 16 17:40
schestowitzmoney-raisingNov 16 17:40
schestowitz"yes, please"Nov 16 17:40
schestowitzMicrosoft? YUS!!Nov 16 17:40
schestowitzGimmeNov 16 17:40
scienteswell yeah that is problematicNov 16 17:41
schestowitz"OK, we'll put that project in ShitHub"Nov 16 17:41
scientesso I guess you are rightNov 16 17:41
schestowitz"YUS, MOAR $"Nov 16 17:41
schestowitz"I'm so good at this!"Nov 16 17:41 16 17:41
schestowitzhttp:/ 16 17:41
schestowitz 16 17:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | The Linux Foundation Exceeds $100,000,000 in Revenue and Jim Zemlin Now Pays Himself About a Million Dollars a Year While โ€˜Hisโ€™ Foundation Operates at a Loss of $732,261 | TechrightsNov 16 17:41
scienteswhen it compromised the community philosophyNov 16 17:41
schestowitzwhen mozilla decides you don't need http anymoreNov 16 17:41
scientesbut I am not sure it is doing thatNov 16 17:41
schestowitzand 'helps' you by culling itNov 16 17:41
scientesLinux Foundation is basically where projects go that have no maintainerNov 16 17:41
scientesincluding Linux itsselfNov 16 17:42
schestowitz"open source has won" -> http has wonNov 16 17:42
schestowitzmonopoly has wonNov 16 17:42
schestowitzGAFAMazonNov 16 17:42
schestowitzGitHubZoneNov 16 17:42
scientesTorvalds ended up with LF because he didn't want to seem biased to any companyNov 16 17:42
schestowitzshowing people "http" might make them think there MIGHT be an alternative ;0-)Nov 16 17:42
schestowitzlike IPFSNov 16 17:42
scientesand then Grek Kroah-Hartman, that does the work of 10 people, ended up in LF cause he can get more work done without a bossNov 16 17:42
schestowitzGrekNov 16 17:42
schestowitzsounds like a burpNov 16 17:43
schestowitzor a gruntNov 16 17:43
DaemonFC[m]My mom asked what those 4 extra numbers are past a ZIP code. I had to explain what ZIP +4 are and that it's not new.Nov 16 17:43
DaemonFC[m]It gets your mail there a bit faster with less sorting and so it reduces the chance of a misdelivered letter or package.Nov 16 17:44
schestowitzchecksumNov 16 17:44
DaemonFC[m]But most people have no idea what they are. They never caught on because they're unique to a particular house or building or floor of a building.Nov 16 17:44
schestowitzdejoy, oh joyNov 16 17:44
schestowitztwo weeks to deliver a ballotNov 16 17:44
DaemonFC[m]With PO Boxes it's easy, usually.Nov 16 17:44
DaemonFC[m]Most likely the last digits of a PO Box or the last 4 digits, but you can look up any address on the post office website. Nov 16 17:45
DaemonFC[m]Like for mine, you use 1084 because it's box 1084.Nov 16 17:45
DaemonFC[m]But with the apartment I live in, all of the ones on the first floor and even numbers have the same code.Nov 16 17:46
DaemonFC[m]They broke it up into first and second floor for the first 2 and evens and odds for the last 2. Nov 16 17:46
DaemonFC[m]So most people don't even try to figure it out or mess with it.Nov 16 17:46
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schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: but they know how to vote TrumpNov 16 17:55
schestowitzto 'own the libs'Nov 16 17:56
MinceR(cat) 16 17:57
schestowitzhe shot 'erNov 16 18:00
schestowitzmfer!Nov 16 18:00
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schestowitzit did get worse over timeNov 16 18:17
schestowitzthe logo staff needs to be kept busyNov 16 18:17
schestowitzsomehowNov 16 18:17
schestowitzgoogle is payingNov 16 18:18
schestowitzthe "ux" team is busy removing "xu" (xulNov 16 18:18
schestowitzbecause "ux"Nov 16 18:18
schestowitz"for the user"Nov 16 18:18
MinceR:>Nov 16 18:18
schestowitz"XUL" is "confusing"Nov 16 18:18
schestowitzbtwNov 16 18:18
schestowitzthey did rename uxNov 16 18:19
schestowitzdays agoNov 16 18:19
schestowitzwait, let me find itNov 16 18:19
schestowitz 16 18:19
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Weโ€™re Changing Our Name to Contentย Design โ€“ Firefox UXNov 16 18:19
schestowitz"CONTENT design"Nov 16 18:19
schestowitz"content"Nov 16 18:20
schestowitzwe have "content"Nov 16 18:20
schestowitzto generateNov 16 18:20
schestowitzand the "consume"Nov 16 18:20
schestowitz*thenNov 16 18:20
schestowitzthey hire from MicrosoftNov 16 18:20
schestowitzfor "HEY HI"Nov 16 18:20 16 18:20
schestowitzhttp:/ 16 18:20
schestowitz 16 18:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Mozilla Hires From Microsoft for Mozillaโ€™s Board | TechrightsNov 16 18:21
schestowitz 16 18:21
schestowitzfirefox "ux"Nov 16 18:21
schestowitzremoving http:// for meNov 16 18:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Could not resolve host: for; Unknown error ( status 0 @ http:// for )Nov 16 18:21
schestowitzbecause they lost to Chrome because "not enougn HEY HI"Nov 16 18:21
MinceRlol @ contentNov 16 18:21
schestowitzNow they hire "ALL THE HEY HI'S"Nov 16 18:21
schestowitzfrom MICROSOFT :-)Nov 16 18:21
schestowitzMozilla back on track nowNov 16 18:21
schestowitzwith their new HEY HI talent inflowNov 16 18:21
schestowitzfrom MicrosoftNov 16 18:21
schestowitzdiversity will save firefoxNov 16 18:22
schestowitzand BLM alsoNov 16 18:22
schestowitzbecause BLM is all about browsersNov 16 18:22
schestowitzpeople committed arsonNov 16 18:22
schestowitzto show flaming foxesNov 16 18:22
schestowitzand "spread Firefox"Nov 16 18:22
schestowitzThey literally put "BLM" in new Firefox tabsNov 16 18:22
schestowitzfor everyoneNov 16 18:22
MinceRbrowser lives matter?Nov 16 18:22
schestowitzI could not see how it was remotely connected or even necessaryNov 16 18:22
schestowitzand that's where it hit me... and when I realise Mozilla is deadNov 16 18:23
schestowitzand thinks those social causes will help a defunct UX without XULNov 16 18:23
schestowitza a browser with no useful extensions anymoreNov 16 18:23
schestowitzBecause "YOU AYENov 16 18:23
schestowitzSorryNov 16 18:23
schestowitz "CONTENT design"Nov 16 18:23
schestowitzI am staying with Firefox after 16 yearsNov 16 18:23
schestowitzfor all the  "CONTENT design"Nov 16 18:23
schestowitzwhatever that bloody meansNov 16 18:24
schestowitz "CONTENT design"Nov 16 18:24
schestowitzThey redesign the pages they renders?Nov 16 18:24
schestowitz*renderNov 16 18:24
schestowitzif not, design of what?Nov 16 18:24
schestowitzThey already removed a proper menuNov 16 18:24
schestowitzput a hamburger menuNov 16 18:24
schestowitznow it doesn't even cascade tightNov 16 18:24
schestowitzyou cannot see level 1 item when you enter level 2Nov 16 18:25
schestowitzbutNov 16 18:25
schestowitzit ANIMATEDNov 16 18:25
schestowitzit ANIMATESNov 16 18:25
schestowitzthe menu is useless and animatedNov 16 18:25
schestowitzlike the SLAB menu in KDENov 16 18:25
schestowitzmade by/for SUSENov 16 18:25
schestowitz "CONTENT design"Nov 16 18:25
schestowitzI guess that's what it meansNov 16 18:25
schestowitzmenus in motionNov 16 18:25
schestowitzwith a burger instead of a menuNov 16 18:25
schestowitzbecause mobileNov 16 18:25
schestowitzthe desktop is like mobile you pinch... that's :-)  "CONTENT design" ..! Badabum! :-)Nov 16 18:26
schestowitzheh 16 18:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-What Is the Difference Between UI and UX Design? | MakeUseOfNov 16 18:26
schestowitzjust not in my RSS feedsNov 16 18:26
schestowitzsecs agoNov 16 18:26
schestowitztwo overhyped buzzwordsNov 16 18:27
schestowitzfrom people who spell experience "Xperience"Nov 16 18:27
schestowitzfor the X factorNov 16 18:27
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vZS1BtwNov 16 18:32
vZS1It's not a coincidence a lot of things look life mobileNov 16 18:32
schestowitzit's cheaperNov 16 18:33
schestowitzto developNov 16 18:33
vZS1Cross-platform front end frameworksNov 16 18:33
schestowitzone product, let the desktop users struggle and lose worklow  advantageNov 16 18:33
vZS1Means they hire less peopleNov 16 18:33
schestowitzalso fewer options to develop and debugNov 16 18:33
schestowitzbecause "UX" (it means, users are dumb, take away features from them!)Nov 16 18:33
vZS1Aggressive cost cuttingNov 16 18:33
schestowitzyupNov 16 18:34
vZS1I noticed my main bank do thisNov 16 18:34
schestowitzand outsourcing too while at itNov 16 18:34
schestowitzbank 'apps'Nov 16 18:34
vZS1The desktop website is terribleNov 16 18:34
schestowitzbased on shared frameowkrNov 16 18:34
schestowitz"add logo here"Nov 16 18:34
vZS1It used to be really goodNov 16 18:34
schestowitzthey get worseNov 16 18:34
schestowitzand it's "cloud"Nov 16 18:34
schestowitzso you don't get to reject "upgrades"Nov 16 18:34
schestowitzsame with MyHermesNov 16 18:34
schestowitzand many sites that do commerceNov 16 18:35
vZS1Now it's perishing because of the mobile focusNov 16 18:35
schestowitzthe GUIs change in corrosive waysNov 16 18:35
schestowitzbut it's not for you, it's for themNov 16 18:35
vZS1That's pretty much the pointNov 16 18:35
schestowitzTechrights never did "mobile-friendly"Nov 16 18:35
schestowitzlet me show you a visual exampleNov 16 18:35
schestowitz 16 18:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Technological Progress? Only If We Assume The Wrong Thingsโ€ฆ | TechrightsNov 16 18:36
schestowitzit's visual, take a loolNov 16 18:36
schestowitz*lookNov 16 18:36
schestowitzand lol laterNov 16 18:36
schestowitzWatch EFF siteNov 16 18:36
schestowitzthe example in the middleNov 16 18:36
schestowitzyou could get lots of navigation and info beforeNov 16 18:36
schestowitznow it's as useless as a 5-inch mobile screen, the width of a few fat fingersNov 16 18:37
schestowitzthis is leading to Web fatigueNov 16 18:37
schestowitzwe need to create alternativesNov 16 18:37
schestowitzno JS and bloatNov 16 18:37
vZS1I had a readNov 16 18:37
schestowitzjust signal and good use of screen spaceNov 16 18:37
vZS1Sums it up pretty wellNov 16 18:38
schestowitzthanksNov 16 18:38
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vZS1I've also noticed that a lot of stuff spams Dbus nowNov 16 18:40
vZS1You get notifications on desktopNov 16 18:41
vZS1Which is strangeNov 16 18:41
vZS1I never asked for any of thatNov 16 18:41
vZS1Need to turn that off. Just remembered.Nov 16 18:41
schestowitzlike which ones...?Nov 16 18:43
schestowitzThey've existed for a whileNov 16 18:43
schestowitzfor some just don't permit adding themNov 16 18:43
schestowitzI code my own notificationsNov 16 18:44
schestowitzfor my own needsNov 16 18:44
schestowitzknotify with argumentsNov 16 18:44
vZS1awesome wmNov 16 18:44
schestowitzcan you not disable/block them?Nov 16 18:44
vZS1I think I canNov 16 18:44
vZS1Just need to check the config fileNov 16 18:45
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schestowitzsometimes notifications can cause you to click on the wrong thingNov 16 18:45
vZS1YepNov 16 18:45
schestowitzit's that symptom of guis that change under your fingerNov 16 18:45
vZS1Chrome is the main culpritNov 16 18:45
vZS1I'll just mute all chrome notificationsNov 16 18:45
schestowitzyou got infected with chrome?Nov 16 18:45
schestowitzI can find you a howto on how to remove itNov 16 18:45
vZS1I have all the browsersNov 16 18:46
schestowitzmost browsers are malwareNov 16 18:46
schestowitzproprietary, tooNov 16 18:46
vZS1YeahNov 16 18:46
schestowitzso installing all of them is a Bad IdeaNov 16 18:46
schestowitzfor Edge you might even add Microsoft PPANov 16 18:46
vZS1I don't have edgeNov 16 18:46
schestowitzso they can remotely modify lots of stuff on your machineNov 16 18:46
schestowitzthe closest I get to chrome is falkonNov 16 18:48
schestowitzwhich uses blink, iircNov 16 18:48
schestowitzall the others are proprietaryNov 16 18:48
schestowitzbrave also, partlyNov 16 18:49
schestowitzand it's on shithubNov 16 18:49
schestowitzvivaldi, opera, chrome, edge... all proprietaryNov 16 18:49
schestowitzGNOME's epiphany might be OKNov 16 18:49
schestowitzbut... you know... GNOME cough coughNov 16 18:49
vZS1I use Tor browser and FirefoxNov 16 18:50
vZS1Those are the main two for my daily stuffNov 16 18:50
vZS1I don't like GNOME anythingNov 16 18:50
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-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Google Chrome Update Gets Serious: Homeland Security (CISA) Confirms Attacks UnderwayNov 16 18:53
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-TechrightsBot-tr/ #LastPass is #ProprietarySoftware with deep #Surveillance so when you feed passwords to it you're already compromised, and not just by #NSA (no sane person/company should use it.. without someone getting sacked!) Nov 16 18:56
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XRevan86 16 19:23
XRevan86At least some of those "Tux Machines" render on Android %).Nov 16 19:23
MinceR 16 19:23
XRevan86Except this is not *how* they should render, but it's *a* render.Nov 16 19:24
schestowitzXRevan86: what's Android %%)) ;-)Nov 16 19:24
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XRevan86schestowitz: An operating system that struggles with them fancy unicode blocks that you use %).Nov 16 19:25
schestowitzit's too advanced ;-)Nov 16 19:25
schestowitztoo many bytesNov 16 19:25
MinceRanother one bytes the dustNov 16 19:26
schestowitz 16 19:28
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Google Defines Policy for More Inclusive LanguageNov 16 19:28
schestowitz"According to the blog post, the terms โ€œslave,โ€ โ€œwhitelist,โ€ and โ€œblacklistโ€ will be replaced with more inclusive alternatives, such as โ€œreplica,โ€ โ€œallowlist,โ€ and โ€œblocklist.โ€ The policy applies now to new projects dating from October 2020, and the Google OSPO intends to enforce the changes on more complex, established projects beginning in 2021. "Nov 16 19:28
schestowitzGoogle: will kill people with the Pentagon, usually dark-skinned people, but the word "blacklist" is RACIST. 16 19:28
MinceR:>Nov 16 19:29
MinceRthose were only brown people anywayNov 16 19:29
schestowitz 16 19:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Letโ€™s Ban Bombings, Not Words (Corporations Taking Away Peopleโ€™s Freedom of Speech So They Can Bomb โ€˜in Peaceโ€™) | TechrightsNov 16 19:29
schestowitzgreylisting, MinceRNov 16 19:29
schestowitzthey're grey peopleNov 16 19:29
scientesMinceR, nice switcherooNov 16 19:29
scientesschestowitz, <=== people who control language     tolerant people ==============>Nov 16 19:29
scientes> Corporations Taking Away Peopleโ€™s Freedom of Speech So They Can Bomb โ€˜in Peaceโ€™Nov 16 19:29
XRevan86soon: inclist, exclistNov 16 19:29
scientesthat cuts the bullSHIT doesn't it?Nov 16 19:30
schestowitz[19:29] <XRevan86> soon: inclist, exclistNov 16 19:30
schestowitzincest?Nov 16 19:30
schestowitzincel?Nov 16 19:30
MinceR:)Nov 16 19:30
MinceRincel insideNov 16 19:31
XRevan86inclusive list, exclusive listNov 16 19:31
schestowitz 16 19:31
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Incel - WikipediaNov 16 19:31
XRevan86(inclusion list, exclusion list rather)Nov 16 19:33
schestowitzthose things are getting boringNov 16 19:34
schestowitzI won't even write about it anymoreNov 16 19:34
schestowitzI think there's consensusNov 16 19:35
schestowitzat least based on COMMENTSNov 16 19:35
schestowitzliek the ones in PhoronixNov 16 19:35
schestowitzalmost everyone agrees, and not with those companiesNov 16 19:35
schestowitzI don't like the term "virtue signaling"Nov 16 19:35
schestowitzbut those charm offensives would be textbook definition of itNov 16 19:35
schestowitzbecause they have no virtue at allNov 16 19:35
schestowitzIBM, Microsoft, Google..Nov 16 19:36
schestowitzhow are they virturious?Nov 16 19:36
schestowitzAnd Intel?Nov 16 19:36
schestowitzWhat have they done for humanity?Nov 16 19:36
schestowitzthey overcompensate with pure BSNov 16 19:36
schestowitzand pretend to have feelingsNov 16 19:36
schestowitzand empathyNov 16 19:36
schestowitzfor humans it's understadableNov 16 19:36
schestowitznot for companies that tell us they're worth a trillion bucksNov 16 19:37
schestowitzand spy on usNov 16 19:37
schestowitzBy overdoing it they kill the original causesNov 16 19:37
schestowitzsee,Nov 16 19:37
schestowitzif a black man told me not to say "blacklist"Nov 16 19:37
schestowitzor a woman I work with asked to not say "man hours"Nov 16 19:38
schestowitzI'd understandNov 16 19:38
schestowitzapologiseNov 16 19:38
schestowitzchange my communication accordinglyNov 16 19:38
schestowitzbut when IBM/Intel/Microsoft/Google do this?Nov 16 19:38
schestowitzI laugh them offNov 16 19:38
schestowitzwho are THEY to monopolise moralityNov 16 19:38
schestowitzand so they kill the original causesNov 16 19:38
schestowitzand cause people to have spiteNov 16 19:38
schestowitzlike they do with antiwar movement, FS etc.Nov 16 19:38
schestowitzthey hijack and dilute support for social justice people as wellNov 16 19:39
schestowitzby utilising them to overthrow peopleNov 16 19:39
schestowitzThen the real victims are presumed "corporate tools"Nov 16 19:39
schestowitzand Green party voters are called "elitists"Nov 16 19:39
schestowitz(Tom told me that)Nov 16 19:39
schestowitzor "trolls"Nov 16 19:40
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XRevan86Hm, I left Noto Sans Symbols in tact, it seems it's the font that has these blocks.Nov 16 19:43
schestowitzas a side noteNov 16 19:43
schestowitz[19:37] <schestowitz> if a black man told me not to say "blacklist"\Nov 16 19:43
schestowitzThis is unlikely to happenNov 16 19:43
schestowitzblacks are not THAT sensitiveNov 16 19:43
schestowitz[19:38] <schestowitz> or a woman I work with asked to not say "man hours"Nov 16 19:44
schestowitzI never met people who use that term anywayNov 16 19:44
schestowitzmaybe it's garage talkNov 16 19:44
schestowitznot tech talkNov 16 19:44
XRevan86What does "man hours" mean?Nov 16 19:44
schestowitzand in garage few women work because of the requirements of the jobNov 16 19:44
XRevan86"is the amount of work performed by the average worker in one hour" โ€“ got itNov 16 19:44
schestowitzXRevan86: like, this job will take about "4 manhours, should cost about 100 bucks"Nov 16 19:44
schestowitzmanual work hoursNov 16 19:45
schestowitzthink of it as manual labourNov 16 19:45
schestowitzmano means hand on french iircNov 16 19:45
schestowitzno connection to gender Nov 16 19:45
schestowitzbut "man" does refer to man hereNov 16 19:45
XRevan86womanual work hoursNov 16 19:45
schestowitzso pretend it refers to hand labourNov 16 19:45
XRevan86(that was a bad joke, I know)Nov 16 19:45
schestowitz"huwoman hours"Nov 16 19:46
schestowitzbecause I'm told human is also biasedNov 16 19:46
schestowitzit has the dirty word "man" in itNov 16 19:46
schestowitzlike the gnu commandNov 16 19:46
schestowitzfor MANUALNov 16 19:46
schestowitzmanual maybe needs renaming tooNov 16 19:46
schestowitzjust in caseNov 16 19:46
schestowitzalias woman=manNov 16 19:46
schestowitzin .bashrcNov 16 19:46
schestowitzjob for red hatNov 16 19:47
schestowitzrecall "all the fedoras"Nov 16 19:47
schestowitzredistribute backNov 16 19:47
*schestowitz aware the manpages project too would need to change loads of code accordingly, then testNov 16 19:48
XRevan86schestowitz: For a noble cause it's worth it.Nov 16 19:48
schestowitzthen get ready for ladies to flock inNov 16 19:48
schestowitzand give tons of patches for the personpages projectNov 16 19:49
schestowitzin Microsoft ShitHubNov 16 19:49
schestowitzXRevan86: it isNov 16 19:49
schestowitzbut women will still be assigned shitty jobsNov 16 19:49
schestowitzby male bossesNov 16 19:49
schestowitzat least the command line won't be offensiveNov 16 19:49
schestowitzand when they git commit they won't worry about git being an insult or master being a black person's "owner"Nov 16 19:50
schestowitzwait till they meet fork bombNov 16 19:50
schestowitzthe mental image itself causes traumaNov 16 19:50
schestowitzsounds like IEDNov 16 19:51
schestowitzwith forks inside it, to increase casualtiesNov 16 19:51
schestowitzinstead of nails and bearing ballsNov 16 19:51
*psydroid suggests the masterbaiter project in order to deal with all the unpleasant things persons have to deal with in their livesNov 16 19:52
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MinceR:)Nov 16 19:58
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schestowitzDOOM.EXE has a masterbaiterNov 16 20:01
schestowitzchoosing which gallon of milk to pickNov 16 20:01
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DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: Maybe thee Coca Cola ultra filtered milk that costs 5 times as much.Nov 16 20:44
DaemonFC[m]Can you believe there are idiots that buy things like that?Nov 16 20:45
DaemonFC[m] 16 20:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Fairlife Dairy still under fire over alleged animal abuse after new viral videoNov 16 20:45
DaemonFC[m]No headline mention of Coca Cola anywhereNov 16 20:46
vZS1A lot of man pages get left out these daysNov 16 20:48
vZS1And get thisNov 16 20:48
vZS1They call it theNov 16 20:48
vZS1"Linux man pages project"Nov 16 20:48
vZS1Even when a lot of the stuff is GNU toolsNov 16 20:49
DaemonFC[m]I do think we need to pass a farm animal bill of rights of some sort.Nov 16 20:49
DaemonFC[m]There's a difference between humane animal agriculture and just abusing them and causing them pain for no reason.Nov 16 20:50
DaemonFC[m]I don't see anything wrong with eating meat and dairy products, but "breaking a cow's tail and hitting it with metal poles" because it "wasn't cooperating". Fuck.Nov 16 20:51
DaemonFC[m]Fuck these people. Fuck Coca Cola.Nov 16 20:51
DaemonFC[m]People who abuse animals are quite often serial killers and domestic abusers as well. So like, if they're doing that to a dairy cow, what are they doing outside of work?Nov 16 20:51
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DaemonFC[m]Indiana has a lot of problems, but it has severe punishment for animal abuse.Nov 16 20:52
schestowitz[20:49] <vZS1> Even when a lot of the stuff is GNU toolsNov 16 20:52
schestowitzif you scroll all the way downNov 16 20:52
schestowitzmany have RMS in themNov 16 20:52
schestowitzhe wrote some of the very key programsNov 16 20:53
DaemonFC[m]You can spend almost as much time in prison for torturing an animal to death as you can for voluntary manslaughter in Indiana.Nov 16 20:53
DaemonFC[m]Illinois too.Nov 16 20:53 16 20:53
schestowitz 16 20:53
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | GNU Programs Arenโ€™t โ€œLinux Commandsโ€ But GNU Programs | TechrightsNov 16 20:53
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: Some people got angry that so many black people in Illinois are getting long prison sentences after we passed a law similar to Florida's use a gun and you're done.Nov 16 20:55
DaemonFC[m]Stop pointing guns at people. Yes, very racist, a system that makes it a minimum 7 years to point a loaded gun at someone without justification.Nov 16 20:56
DaemonFC[m]Unfortunately, it passed after that guy mugged me.Nov 16 20:56
DaemonFC[m]He got two years house arrest.Nov 16 20:56
DaemonFC[m]When the ballot question of "Should there be a minimum of 5-7 for pointing a gun without justification?" got to me, I voted yes without giving it another thought.Nov 16 20:57
DaemonFC[m]These damned judges and prosecutors were ramming these cases through to get it off their desks.Nov 16 20:57
vZS1The thing is. With the tools that are non-gnu, you don't even get the high quality info docsNov 16 21:05
vZS1Git is an exceptionNov 16 21:05
schestowitz 16 21:06
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Sheikh_al_Touar: Judges at the EPO (Boards of Appeal) Can Still be Punished for Ruling โ€˜Unfavourablyโ€™ on Patent Maximalism #lawโ€ฆ 16 21:06
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Sheikh_al_Touar: Judges at the EPO (Boards of Appeal) Can Still be Punished for Ruling โ€˜Unfavourablyโ€™ on Patent Maximalism #lawโ€ฆ 16 21:06
schestowitz"Judges at the EPO (Boards of Appeal) Can Still be Punished for Ruling โ€˜Unfavourablyโ€™ on Patent Maximalism #law #patents #Europe"Nov 16 21:06
vZS1A lot of the new stuff doesn't have documentation that you can easily read on the terminal offlineNov 16 21:06
schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: it's not just this company that abuses animalsNov 16 21:06
schestowitzI still feel guilty for buying cheeseNov 16 21:06
vZS1I despise all this docbook nonsenseNov 16 21:06
schestowitzand we try to use soy drinks, not milkNov 16 21:06
vZS1#saveinfodocsNov 16 21:08
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kingoffrancevZS1, its because "online" got 1984ed. it used to mean on this lan, or accessible to this system, or on cd-rom even. now it means 24/7 internet connection you can read stuff.  internet and tcp/ip are perhaps THE net now, instead of a network of networks.Nov 16 21:13
kingoffranceso, the old stuff was "online docs" you could read in a terminal, it was the word "online" that got 1984edNov 16 21:13
vZS1I seeNov 16 21:14
kingoffranceim just saying it goes deeper :)Nov 16 21:14
vZS1Hey. I'm all about learningNov 16 21:14
kingoffrancei dont know if that was universal, but old stuff you can see "online documentation" meant that usageNov 16 21:15
kingoffrancei think the old definition was generic shorthand for "not dead tree books" didnt necessarily indicate where it was located necessarily (what network or media), just meant "in digital form"Nov 16 21:18
kingoffranceso "offline" then would be dead tree manualsNov 16 21:18
vZS1The GNU info docs actually care about the user and tries to educate them about not just the tool but how it fits in to the entire system. Linux manual pages are a ripoff. They're cryptic, hide a lot of undocumented stuff, and generally don't care about educating the user.Nov 16 21:19
DaemonFC[m]Yeah, somehow milk got turned political too.Nov 16 21:19
vZS1I've had to dive into the source code a lot of the time, in an attempt to figure out how a lot of these "Linux" utils workNov 16 21:20
vZS1And how is that helping the user. What if they can't programNov 16 21:21
vZS1Git is the one exception to all this. The Git info documentation is pretty decentNov 16 21:21
vZS1kingoffrance: I guess back then offline documentation was still practical to print. You probably had to deal a lot less with behemoths like systemdNov 16 21:23
vZS1I've noticed this trend of shitty documentation a lot.Nov 16 21:24
vZS1Go projects are pretty notorious for this as wellNov 16 21:24
vZS1They generate "documentation" from source code and comments.Nov 16 21:25
vZS1That's not documentationNov 16 21:25
vZS1That's just commented source codeNov 16 21:25
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vZS1With some beautified HTMLNov 16 21:25
vZS1I feel like the word "documentation" also got 1984edNov 16 21:26
vZS1There's also a lack of good books available.Nov 16 21:27
vZS1Back in the UNIX days and I guess early GNU days, there were so many great books availableNov 16 21:28
MinceRthe information in books might get obsolete too quickly :>Nov 16 21:30
vZS1I don't mind thatNov 16 21:30
vZS1I'll just buy the next bookNov 16 21:30
vZS1And programming is always evolvingNov 16 21:31
vZS1Just like utilities and operating systemsNov 16 21:31
MinceRin reverse? :>Nov 16 21:31
vZS1LolNov 16 21:32
vZS1Take a look at the Documentation tree in the Linux Git repoNov 16 21:38
vZS1It's basically notes for the developers.......Nov 16 21:39
schestowitz[21:19] <DaemonFC[m]> Yeah, somehow milk got turned political too.Nov 16 21:40
schestowitzpolitical? not sureNov 16 21:40
schestowitzI did not see a politician pushing to vote him/her based on milkNov 16 21:40
schestowitzbut it might happen in the futureNov 16 21:40
schestowitzcovid got politicisedNov 16 21:40
schestowitzthough it boils down to scienceNov 16 21:40
schestowitzand we should not ask politicians about itNov 16 21:40
schestowitzmilk is about animal rightsNov 16 21:41
schestowitzthose that produce milk eventually kill those cows tooNov 16 21:41
schestowitzwhen they're no longer "useful" or "profitable" for their teatsNov 16 21:41
schestowitzwe've just changed, together, all the water in the fishtankNov 16 21:41
vZS1Have a quick look at Documentation/filesystem/proc.rstNov 16 21:42
schestowitzwe're not ready for veganismNov 16 21:42
schestowitzvZS1: more epo articles coming soonNov 16 21:42
schestowitzread a lot by epo staffNov 16 21:42
vZS1SuSE plug, at the startNov 16 21:43
vZS1"We don't guarantee the correctness of this document, and if you come to us complaining about how you screwed up your system because of incorrect documentation, we won't feel responsible..."Nov 16 21:45
vZS1Can't make this shit upNov 16 21:45
vZS1> schestowitz: read a lot by epo staffNov 16 21:46
vZS1GoodNov 16 21:46
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-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Elon Musk forced to watch historic SpaceX launch from home and mocked as โ€˜Space Karenโ€™ after catching Covid | The IndependentNov 16 21:52
DaemonFC[m]"Mr Musk had previously questioned the legitimacy of the results." Nov 16 21:54
DaemonFC[m]Space TrumpNov 16 21:54
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vZS1Emperor ElonNov 16 21:58
schestowitzmooching taxpayersNov 16 21:58
schestowitza symptom of how the economy "works"Nov 16 21:58
schestowitz27 trillion national debtNov 16 21:58
schestowitzUS billionaire alone at total wealth of 15 trillion and growingNov 16 21:59
schestowitzgov prints more cashNov 16 21:59
schestowitzborrowings from liabilities of the yet-unbornNov 16 21:59
schestowitzand that money ends up in offshore bank accounts of these corporation and oligarchs who pay no taxNov 16 21:59
schestowitzbut keep votingNov 16 21:59
schestowitzvote BidenNov 16 21:59
schestowitzyeah, he'll fix all this shit... sureNov 16 21:59
schestowitzfor the people who sponsored his campaign like they do Trump'sNov 16 21:59
schestowitz 16 22:00
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Super rich hold $32 trillion in offshore havens | ReutersNov 16 22:00
schestowitzMusk joined "the club"Nov 16 22:00
schestowitzthe moochers' clubNov 16 22:00
schestowitzconnections and lots of facial and scalp "work"Nov 16 22:00
schestowitzThe actual African Michael JacksonNov 16 22:00
schestowitzgrifterNov 16 22:00
schestowitzvZS1: want to read the article?Nov 16 22:01
schestowitzbecause it's distributed?Nov 16 22:01
vZS1I'm heading to bed. If it's in the bulletin, I'll read it as I have my morning teaNov 16 22:02
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schestowitzokNov 16 22:05
schestowitzwe can figure it outNov 16 22:05
schestowitzI'm just proofreadingNov 16 22:05
schestowitzcould use another pair of eyesNov 16 22:06
schestowitzmaybe DaemonFC[m]?Nov 16 22:06
vZS1I'd not catch anything now. Eyes too tiredNov 16 22:07
DaemonFC[m] 16 22:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Trump officials preparing to move forward with major step to lower Medicare drug prices | TheHillNov 16 22:15
DaemonFC[m]Right thing, wrong reasons.Nov 16 22:15
schestowitz"Trump says"Nov 16 22:16
DaemonFC[m]He's taking revenge for not giving his campaign much money and supporting Biden.Nov 16 22:16
schestowitz 16 22:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Report: Deutsche Bank โ€˜Eagerโ€™ To Dump $340 Million In Loans To Trump Businesses After ElectionNov 16 22:16
DaemonFC[m]And it's going to be so far along in the process and so popular that Biden might just go ahead and let it take effect because try stopping that.Nov 16 22:16
schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: my next article is partly about thosNov 16 22:17
schestowitzwanna read?Nov 16 22:17
DaemonFC[m]YeahNov 16 22:17
schestowitz 16 22:17
schestowitzquickNov 16 22:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | European Patent Office Union (SUEPO) Reiterates Its Allegation, Backed by Professionals, That the Management is Crushing the Office and Its Staff Based on a Manufactured โ€œHoaxโ€ | TechrightsNov 16 22:17
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DaemonFC[m]" implement his oppressive measured"Nov 16 22:22
DaemonFC[m]measuresNov 16 22:22
DaemonFC[m]"Only hours ago the EPO boasted"Nov 16 22:22
DaemonFC[m]Only hours ago, Nov 16 22:23
DaemonFC[m]"aggressors and"Nov 16 22:23
DaemonFC[m]aggressors, andNov 16 22:23
DaemonFC[m]"The EPO is so corrupt and rogue, so itโ€™s"Nov 16 22:23
schestowitzfixedx3Nov 16 22:23
DaemonFC[m]I would change it to "that it's".Nov 16 22:24
DaemonFC[m]"In this own words"Nov 16 22:24
DaemonFC[m]"In its own words"?Nov 16 22:24
DaemonFC[m]during a video conference on 16 November.Nov 16 22:25
DaemonFC[m]Missing quotation mark at the end.Nov 16 22:25
schestowitzfixedNov 16 22:26
DaemonFC[m]"we showed"Nov 16 22:26
DaemonFC[m]we'veNov 16 22:26
smnthermes 16 22:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Standing up for developers: youtube-dl is back - The GitHub BlogNov 16 22:26
DaemonFC[m](It's a nit.)Nov 16 22:26
smnthermeswatNov 16 22:26
smnthermesNow they may not actually switch away from GitHubNov 16 22:27
schestowitzchanging to "we have shown"Nov 16 22:27
schestowitzidiotsNov 16 22:27
schestowitzafter some moved to gitlabNov 16 22:27
schestowitzbut some damage was doneNov 16 22:27
DaemonFC[m]These people must think the virus is overrated, just like Mr. Trump thinksโ€ฆNov 16 22:27
schestowitzthis is "damage control"Nov 16 22:27
schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: "does"Nov 16 22:27
DaemonFC[m]I'd say, "These people must think the virus is overrated...just like Mr. Trump."Nov 16 22:27
DaemonFC[m]Make the biting insult more immediate after a short pause to think.Nov 16 22:28
schestowitzrightNov 16 22:28
schestowitzdoneNov 16 22:28
schestowitzrich people deny the severityNov 16 22:28
schestowitzthey have access to better care and drugsNov 16 22:28
schestowitzif they need theseNov 16 22:28
DaemonFC[m]"Thereโ€™s sometimes uniquely distressing when one witnesses a lie being told again and again, in spite of solid refutations."Nov 16 22:29
DaemonFC[m]"It's sometimes uniquely distressing" would read better.Nov 16 22:30
schestowitzackNov 16 22:30
schestowitzsmnthermes: what about the google dmca takedown?Nov 16 22:31
DaemonFC[m]Yeah, "pay freezes".Nov 16 22:31
schestowitz 16 22:31
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | [Meme] DRM Loves Wintel/Microsoft/Centralisation/Monopoly | TechrightsNov 16 22:31
smnthermesYeahNov 16 22:31
schestowitzit's just a lip serviceNov 16 22:31
DaemonFC[m]It's done when the management wants to permanently tie the hands of their successors.Nov 16 22:31
schestowitzto distort the historic recordNov 16 22:31
schestowitzlike they did Artic Vault when GitHub STAFF fledNov 16 22:32
schestowitzdue to the ICE controversyNov 16 22:32
DaemonFC[m]As for Deutche Bank, even though the Democrats did not do extremely well in Congress this year....Nov 16 22:33
DaemonFC[m]Biden could still have his Attorney General investigate them, and so could MANY states that Trump has ties to.Nov 16 22:33
schestowitzI'll quote you at the endNov 16 22:33
schestowitzre freezesNov 16 22:33
schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: freeze military aid to germany ;-)Nov 16 22:34
schestowitzuntil they 'cooperate'Nov 16 22:34
DaemonFC[m]Well, the wage and benefit freezes often affect future raises even if they're reinstated, because the COLAs are based on total pay, and if your pay didn't go up for several years, especially early during your career.....Nov 16 22:34
DaemonFC[m]The next administration would have to go to the board and propose a huge budget to catch everyone up, and that's not something they want to do.Nov 16 22:34
schestowitzwell putNov 16 22:35
DaemonFC[m]Trump froze all civilian federal employees for a while and John was particularly upset.Nov 16 22:36
DaemonFC[m]It just keeps getting nastier every year. Nov 16 22:36
schestowitzok, refresh pageNov 16 22:37
DaemonFC[m]"Shared sacrifice." Frees up more money for Elon Musk and Bill Gates, with the "Tax Cuts and Jobs Act".Nov 16 22:37
schestowitzsee if your quotatios are OKNov 16 22:37
DaemonFC[m]Billionaire subsidies and blue collar layoffs act.Nov 16 22:37
schestowitztbh, you put it better than I couldNov 16 22:38
schestowitzit's your countruNov 16 22:38
schestowitz*ryNov 16 22:38
DaemonFC[m]I honestly don't know what Biden can/will do.Nov 16 22:39
DaemonFC[m]Obviously some of it can be backed out.Nov 16 22:39
schestowitzlittleNov 16 22:39
schestowitzsymbolicNov 16 22:39
schestowitzbut Trump would crush on and onNov 16 22:39
schestowitzBiden might do it slowlyNov 16 22:39
schestowitzor retract just a bitNov 16 22:39
schestowitzbecause "not Trump"Nov 16 22:39
schestowitzThe Trump wrecking ballNov 16 22:39
DaemonFC[m]Well, Trump was so ham fisted and sloppy that he got a lot of things a little bit wrong.Nov 16 22:39
schestowitzversus the Biden steelballNov 16 22:40
DaemonFC[m]And the courts threw it out and said try again, but now he won't have time.Nov 16 22:40
schestowitzeven DACANov 16 22:40
schestowitzand a bunch of other stuff this past weekNov 16 22:40
schestowitzTikTokNov 16 22:40
DaemonFC[m]Yeah, the courts reinstated DACA and didn't get to the merits of the program.Nov 16 22:40
schestowitz1st amndementNov 16 22:40
schestowitzall this noise for nothingNov 16 22:40
schestowitzwait till china retaliatesNov 16 22:40
DaemonFC[m]They just said that Chad Wolf was never legally serving as DHS secretary.Nov 16 22:40
schestowitzwill block some US firmsNov 16 22:40
DaemonFC[m]So all the stuff he did there is null and void.Nov 16 22:40
schestowitznot likely Biden will appoint "folks" called "Chad"Nov 16 22:41
DaemonFC[m]That's still great news, don't get me wrong. It backs out dozens of regulations that he tried to put in and the administration has no time to go back and redo it.Nov 16 22:41
DaemonFC[m]Means Biden can focus on other stuff.Nov 16 22:41
schestowitzmaybe he will reinstate protection for wolvesNov 16 22:42
schestowitzwithdrawn just 2 weeks agoNov 16 22:42
schestowitzsame for paris accordNov 16 22:42
schestowitzprobably will asapNov 16 22:42
schestowitzmaybe even iran deal, somehow...Nov 16 22:42
DaemonFC[m]He said we'll rejoin the Paris Accord.Nov 16 22:42
DaemonFC[m]Much of the US is still in it because of state, county, and city laws.Nov 16 22:42
schestowitzit'll be fun to see 4 years of truck wreckage undone,  BUT...Nov 16 22:42
DaemonFC[m]But it would obviously be more effective if the federal government rejoins it.Nov 16 22:42
schestowitzwith covid and lockdown nobody will noticeNov 16 22:42
DaemonFC[m] 16 22:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Gov. Pritzker Signs Pact Committing Illinois to Paris Climate Goals | Chicago News | WTTWNov 16 22:43
schestowitzgoodNov 16 22:43
DaemonFC[m]Illinois can't sign treaties because Congress would have to approve it, but nothing stops it from putting in the requirements with state law and not technically agreeing to do it with anyone else.Nov 16 22:44
DaemonFC[m]It's kind of funny, right? The states can't agree with each other to do this, but they can enact it into a state law after, you know, talking it over with each other.Nov 16 22:46
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: Put the rent check for December in the mail today.Nov 16 22:47
DaemonFC[m]I know it's early and it's going to a PO Box at the same post office, but.....Nov 16 22:47
DaemonFC[m]I have no idea what in the fuck is going on in there.Nov 16 22:47
DaemonFC[m]And even though they still claim they can do first class mail within 4 days pretty much anywhere in the country, that's just not what I'm seeing.Nov 16 22:48
DaemonFC[m]I'm seeing 6-9 days between postmark and into my mailbox and that's between Chicago and Waukegan.Nov 16 22:48
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz, the landlord actually changed the lease when I pointed out how bad the post office was.Nov 16 22:49
DaemonFC[m]It said, "The rent shall be considered paid on the date which it is received.". And he agreed to strike "received" and replace it with "postmarked".Nov 16 22:50
DaemonFC[m]Because sometimes they postmark it a day after you drop it in the collection box and then take 6-9 days to get it one city over.Nov 16 22:52
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DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: I told him "Normally, I try to drop the rent in no later than ten days before the 1st of the month.". The worst I'm seeing the post office do with first class mail these days is usually 6-9 days, but that ballot taking 14 days to get to me is just inexcusable.Nov 16 22:53
DaemonFC[m]So I'm assuming that any particular piece of mail could take that long.Nov 16 22:53
DaemonFC[m]So I dropped the rent check in today.Nov 16 22:54
DaemonFC[m]They're fucking with people's lives.Nov 16 22:54
DaemonFC[m]Trump sabotaged it to try to "win" by declaring that votes got there too late.Nov 16 22:54
DaemonFC[m]But it did permanent damage, and people are having their utilities cut off, their landlords going "OK, where's the rent?", they have to drive to the pharmacy and ask for an emergency supply of heart medicine.Nov 16 22:55
DaemonFC[m]I mean, they're fucking with people's lives.Nov 16 22:55
schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: you use cheques?Nov 16 22:55
schestowitzI've not written one in so longNov 16 22:55
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: Postal money order.Nov 16 22:55
DaemonFC[m]They only charge like $1.25 to write one out, and you can replace it if it gets lost in the mail, of course.Nov 16 22:56
schestowitzah, yesNov 16 22:56
DaemonFC[m]I suppose I could go to Walmart and get one cheaper.Nov 16 22:56
schestowitzI know that serviceNov 16 22:56
DaemonFC[m]I'm there to drop Mandy off a lot.Nov 16 22:56
schestowitzshould be faster though if not immediateNov 16 22:56
DaemonFC[m]I think the Western Union money orders are like 75 cents or something. Nov 16 22:56
schestowitzmoney for nothingNov 16 22:57
schestowitzfor "handling"Nov 16 22:57
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: he told me I could pay with Zelle using my bank account.Nov 16 22:57
schestowitznot even insuranceNov 16 22:57
DaemonFC[m]I used to do that with "Joy".Nov 16 22:57
schestowitzwhy not bank standing order?Nov 16 22:57
schestowitzno commission hereNov 16 22:57
DaemonFC[m]The ironically named evil bitch queen landlord in Chicago.Nov 16 22:57
DaemonFC[m]Yeah, Zelle is free.Nov 16 22:57
schestowitzsounds FrenchNov 16 22:58
DaemonFC[m]I might ask him for the info. He said pay it to his wife's email. Nov 16 22:58
schestowitzusps is all dodgyNov 16 22:58
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: I just, for someone who loves technology I'm just really conservative when it comes to certain things.Nov 16 22:58
schestowitzif trump already killed it, so be it, the credibility is dead for sureNov 16 22:59
DaemonFC[m]I wonder what my bank does charge for a book of checks.Nov 16 22:59
schestowitzdeparting gift from what MinceR calls cheeto hitlerNov 16 22:59
schestowitzbanks used to hand them away free with new accountsNov 16 22:59
schestowitznot anymore, iircNov 16 22:59
schestowitzas few people use them by defaultNov 16 22:59
schestowitztoday in aldi they played audio on how you should "please use touchless"Nov 16 23:00
schestowitzor "contactless"Nov 16 23:00
schestowitzor "cardNov 16 23:00
schestowitzI always pay cashNov 16 23:00
schestowitzthey're acting a bit surprised when I doNov 16 23:00
DaemonFC[m]"PNC Bank uses Harland Clarke as its supplier for checks and accessories. Prices start at $19.56 for a pack of 80 safety blue checks. The cost is $39.12 for a pack of 160 checks, $58.68 for a pack of 240 checks, and $78.24 for a pack of 320 checks. Shipping takes about two weeks."Nov 16 23:00
DaemonFC[m]Oh, that's lovely. Nov 16 23:00
schestowitzbut I only give fine notes, not coinsNov 16 23:00
schestowitzthe coins go home to a jarNov 16 23:00
schestowitzwow, so expensiveNov 16 23:01
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: The only thing I wrote checks for was the rent.Nov 16 23:01
schestowitzwhat are those sheets of paper made of, algae?Nov 16 23:01
DaemonFC[m]So I actually got them and then had 4-5 addresses ago on them.Nov 16 23:01
schestowitzimagine getting those 320 sheets, then closing that bank accountNov 16 23:01
schestowitzneed to order them all over againNov 16 23:02
MinceRwhat happens to the coins in the jar?Nov 16 23:02
DaemonFC[m]Ouch.Nov 16 23:02
schestowitzI think they just try to rip off "business owners"Nov 16 23:02
schestowitzaldi charged me 9 quid for a friggin electric splitterNov 16 23:02
DaemonFC[m]Yeah, because most people don't write enough checks to really bother using them.Nov 16 23:02
schestowitzI sometimes get basic ones for a poundNov 16 23:02
DaemonFC[m]I might make my next two rent payments with those two starter checks I still have.Nov 16 23:02
DaemonFC[m]Get rid of them.Nov 16 23:02
schestowitzbut they seem to be exploiting the fact all the non-essential shops are shutNov 16 23:02
schestowitzso I took one anywayNov 16 23:02
schestowitzMinceR: fed to machinesNov 16 23:03
schestowitzthey count the coins, give the balanceNov 16 23:03
DaemonFC[m]"A two-pack of Walmart blue secure checks, which has 300 checks total, is $14.92. Youโ€™ll pay $22.38 for three packs, which contain 450 checks. A four-pack with 600 checks is $29.84."Nov 16 23:03
schestowitzthe money is then withdrawn in paper, deposited elsewhereNov 16 23:03
MinceR:)Nov 16 23:04
schestowitznot a good time to do it now with covid and all... I think we have like 20kg of coins alreadyNov 16 23:04
schestowitz a new recordNov 16 23:04
DaemonFC[m]300 checks should be more than enough.Nov 16 23:04
MinceRlol @ 20kgNov 16 23:04
schestowitzwait until a thief shows uoNov 16 23:04
schestowitzI have a weaponNov 16 23:04
schestowitz"Take this, mfer!"Nov 16 23:04
schestowitzthere was a scene like this in SeinfeldNov 16 23:05
schestowitzKramer and his coinsNov 16 23:05
DaemonFC[m]Then again....Nov 16 23:05
DaemonFC[m]If I order them from Walmart, I can take my 10% associate discount and the 5% from the credit card peopleNov 16 23:05
DaemonFC[m]150 checks for $8.46.Nov 16 23:08
DaemonFC[m]Not bad.Nov 16 23:08
DaemonFC[m]And they have Star Trek TNG characters on them. :DNov 16 23:08
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: There's upsides to money orders too.Nov 16 23:10
DaemonFC[m]The money order was paid for up front so you don't have to account for it being "out there" at some point and maybe hitting your account with non-sufficient funds.Nov 16 23:10
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: My bank tried to talk me into signing up for a line of credit overdraft "protection" account, at credit card interest rates of course.Nov 16 23:11
DaemonFC[m]But the other option was "decline the transaction if it will overdraw the account".Nov 16 23:11
DaemonFC[m]So I chose that.Nov 16 23:11
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schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: seriously? Star Trek?Nov 16 23:13
schestowitz"you jooooking!"Nov 16 23:13
DaemonFC[m]I know, I know.Nov 16 23:14
schestowitzhollywood and banks overlapNov 16 23:14
schestowitzwhat next?Nov 16 23:14
schestowitzxxx checques?Nov 16 23:14
schestowitzI gave her a "blowjob cheque"... I guess this was the logical step after credit cards with crap on their faceNov 16 23:15
schestowitzas if banks are individuality cardsNov 16 23:15
schestowitz"look, look at my card.... it's all about ME"Nov 16 23:15
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kingoffranceyeah you can pay for custom debit or credit logo like vanity platesNov 16 23:22
kingoffrancethe more "personal" they try to make it, the less it is, i suspectNov 16 23:22
kingoffrance'my computer'Nov 16 23:22
kingoffranceyou're not just a number, you can choose your logo tooNov 16 23:23
schestowitzyou can upload your photo to shithubNov 16 23:24
schestowitzto 'your'(IAA) accountNov 16 23:25
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DaemonFC[m]I just have our electric set to autopay.Nov 16 23:35
DaemonFC[m]They wanted me to do budget billing, which is their term for level bills, but that ends up costing you more because you get in the mindset of bills that don't drastically go up or down each month and so you don't conserve power thinking "If I do this, it adds that much to the bill next month.".Nov 16 23:36
DaemonFC[m]I'm wondering just how much these new laptops save in power.Nov 16 23:36
DaemonFC[m]The new ones have a pc9 and pc10, but I'm guessing not a hell of a lot.Nov 16 23:37
DaemonFC[m]They'd have to be almost totally idle to spend any time there and then the uEFI which mjg59  loves so much would just be so broken that you may never get there at all.Nov 16 23:37
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DaemonFC[m]Even as he touts how great it would be if it actually worked at all, and wasn't sabotaged by Windows 10 even if the firmware miraculously wasn't that bad.Nov 16 23:38
DaemonFC[m]:)Nov 16 23:38
DaemonFC[m]So comparing Linux power management to Windows, you have to account for some things, like the fact that Windows 10 is so broken that it's a gas guzzler, and that's if Microsoft doesn't brick it or the firmware completely with an update, and just how bad the firmware is likely to be to begin with.Nov 16 23:39
DaemonFC[m]You're probably not going to get past serious EFI bugs in the Linux kernel. You might. Who knows? Lenovo and whoever gave them this 100% pure shit firmware of mine in the Yoga have the Linux kernel complaining about bugs and workarounds for bugs the likes of which I never saw under Legacy BIOS.Nov 16 23:40
DaemonFC[m]Torvalds repeatedly said as much. It was bad but it was a known factor and did what it had to do and the code for the BIOS ROMs and the kernel code to deal with it was pretty battle tested.Nov 16 23:41
DaemonFC[m]They replaced something that basically worked with something that has been a decade long and sometimes hardware killing monstrosity. Nov 16 23:42
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DaemonFC[m]mjg59is not allowed to criticize uEFI for a multitude of reasons regardless of how he really feels about it because (1) CoCs imposed by Red Hat, IBM, Microsoft, and Intel would mean he'd probably get fired for saying what the true state of uEFI really is and (2) he's so obnoxiously fake polite he might still not say anything even if it didn't mean shitting where he drew a paycheck.Nov 16 23:44
DaemonFC[m]But uEFI is a total disaster and I may pay System76 for the pleasure of not dealing with a system using it ever again.Nov 16 23:45
DaemonFC[m]On my system, STILL (regardless of if it's Windows 10 or Linux, because this is a firmware bug that Lenovo and Intel and the uEFI vendor never patched), about 1 boot out of 10 you can't get past pc3 anyway.Nov 16 23:45
DaemonFC[m]Could you put it in Legacy Mode? Sure, but then you just get more problems because the uEFI is still there causing every issue it was before, and then there's this shitty BIOS abstraction layer too. So, Intel is killing the CSM because, well, for obvious reasons.Nov 16 23:47
DaemonFC[m]It makes uEFI even more terrible and no supported version of Windows doesn't know what uEFI is.Nov 16 23:47
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: I had to finally click unsubscribe from those Red Roof Inn emails.Nov 16 23:48
DaemonFC[m]They asked how my stay from July 2019 to November 2020 was.Nov 16 23:49
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DaemonFC[m]I cannot, in good conscience, review them because it was pretty horrific other than that it was cheap and the staff at the hotel was nice. Nov 16 23:49
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: Mom totally didn't get what was going on. She asked why I moved over there. I said, "I wasn't going to last long at that other place and maybe over here I'll live long enough to come up with a plan.".Nov 16 23:51
mjg59DaemonFC[m]: 16 23:53
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-EFI and Linux: the future is here, and it's awful - Matthew Garrett - YouTubeNov 16 23:53
DaemonFC[m]At one point, you basically said that Linux power management for my laptop chipset was garbage compared with Windows.Nov 16 23:55
DaemonFC[m]Even at the time, Windows was, overall, using at least 30% more power.Nov 16 23:55
mjg59Linux support for power management on the chipset wasNov 16 23:56
DaemonFC[m]At the same time refusing to acknowledge Intel for writing pointless specs and refusing to document them.Nov 16 23:56
mjg59Because Intel wouldn't tell us under what circumstances it was safe to enable ALPMNov 16 23:56
mjg59So you could enable it, but you risked data corruptionNov 16 23:56
DaemonFC[m]And Microsoft-Lenovo compact locking PC devices to Windows.Nov 16 23:56
mjg59I was pretty open in my criticism of Intel thereNov 16 23:57
DaemonFC[m]The state of Illinois started sniffing around and made short work of that, mind you.Nov 16 23:57
DaemonFC[m]They offered to settle with me 2 weeks after I filed the complaint.Nov 16 23:57
mjg59I guess the statute of limitations has passed since you signed me up to a bunch of spam listsNov 16 23:58
DaemonFC[m]It terminated the deal between them.Nov 16 23:58
mjg59Anyway, time to go teachingNov 16 23:59
DaemonFC[m]The FSF has a habit of giving those awards out to saboteurs and trolls like you.Nov 16 23:59

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