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| MinceR | https://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2022/04/13/the-eldest-ring | Apr 19 00:08 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.penny-arcade.com | The Eldest Ring - Penny Arcade | Apr 19 00:08 | |
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| DaemonFC | Hmm, schestowitz-TR... | Apr 19 00:11 |
| DaemonFC | Walmart does TPMS sensors for $30 a tire. | Apr 19 00:12 |
| DaemonFC | Hard to argue with that. | Apr 19 00:12 |
| DaemonFC | I can swap out all of them and use my discount card. | Apr 19 00:12 |
| matey | I can swap out all of them and use my discount card. <- do you need to? if they do a shit job you might be worse off or something | Apr 19 00:15 |
| matey | but if you need to, maybe its worth the risk | Apr 19 00:15 |
| schestowitz-TR | DaemonFC: fine, but this channel is not about your car anyway | Apr 19 00:15 |
| matey | #carrights | Apr 19 00:15 |
| schestowitz-TR | more like: | Apr 19 00:15 |
| MinceR | #cartech | Apr 19 00:15 |
| schestowitz-TR | #ryanscar | Apr 19 00:15 |
| DaemonFC | I was pretty pissed to find out they run on batteries in this car. | Apr 19 00:15 |
| MinceR | i suspect they run on batteries in every car | Apr 19 00:16 |
| matey | except the yugo, it had an extension cord | Apr 19 00:16 |
| MinceR | well, presumably not if the car has CTIS | Apr 19 00:16 |
| MinceR | lol | Apr 19 00:16 |
| MinceR | the yugo has no TPMS | Apr 19 00:16 |
| MinceR | nor CTIS | Apr 19 00:16 |
| DaemonFC | "Hey, you know that thing that worked forever in the Impala? Here, replace it every 5 years because of a stupid battery you can't remove." | Apr 19 00:16 |
| matey | i meant for the ignition | Apr 19 00:16 |
| matey | though maybe it didnt have that either | Apr 19 00:17 |
| matey | "just take this scraper and squeeze it like youre starting a blowtorch every second or two" | Apr 19 00:17 |
| MinceR | lol | Apr 19 00:18 |
| matey | you could spin a wheel around, but instead of ordinary spokes youd have candles... | Apr 19 00:18 |
| MinceR | you'd have very low RPMs that way | Apr 19 00:18 |
| matey | well it was a high-performance vehicle | Apr 19 00:18 |
| matey | at least until the lada came out | Apr 19 00:18 |
| MinceR | lol | Apr 19 00:18 |
| techrights-news | "Welcome to the Ubuntu Weekly Newsletter, Issue 731 for the week of April 10 – 16, 2022." https://ubuntu-news.org/2022/04/18/ubuntu-weekly-newsletter-issue-731/ | Apr 19 00:19 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ubuntu-news.org | Ubuntu Fridge | Ubuntu Weekly Newsletter Issue 731 | Apr 19 00:19 | |
| techrights-news | "A talented IT professional like Kaplan is probably not expected to put on a uniform and carry a gun. During the periods when he is unavailable it is more likely that professionals like Kaplan are asked to assist with signals intelligence and cyber war." https://debian.community/lior-kaplan-mossad/ | Apr 19 00:21 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-debian.community | Lior Kaplan, Mossad & Debian | Apr 19 00:21 | |
| techrights-news | "Before COVID, they were a full service shop, but you could buy parts there too, and after COVID, the store outside the shop is empty of retail stuff and they just want to service your car, for twice what the dealer rates are! Again, HOW?" https://baronhk.wordpress.com/2022/04/18/tpms-sensor-replacement-in-the-buick/ | Apr 19 00:23 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-baronhk.wordpress.com | TPMS sensor replacement in the Buick. – BaronHK's Rants | Apr 19 00:23 | |
| matey | /me looks for information on compiling gtk2 without gperf, can only find it on github, where gtk2 is not based | Apr 19 00:23 |
| matey | of course its not going to tell me how, so im not going to go there. the point is its the only lead i could find | Apr 19 00:23 |
| matey | on github. where gtk2 is not based. | Apr 19 00:23 |
| schestowitz-TR | [20:20] <techrights-news> Git is released. LWN and Phoronix link to MICROSOFT GITHUB (an ATTACK on Git!!!) instead of the actual announcement!! And if you search for Git in Wikipedia the second result isn't Git but GitHub, also an attack on Git. | Apr 19 00:24 |
| schestowitz-TR | [20:21] <techrights-news> Letting GitHub control Git is like letting Microsoft control Linux or allowing Bill Gates to babysit your kids | Apr 19 00:24 |
| schestowitz-TR | ^ matey | Apr 19 00:24 |
| matey | schestowitz-TR │ and so your purchase is becoming chevy patchwork <- looks at roys computer setup | Apr 19 00:26 |
| matey | im not saying anythings wrong with it, except the argument | Apr 19 00:26 |
| matey | <schestowitz-TR> ^ matey <- im confused as to what youre pointing at | Apr 19 00:26 |
| *activelow wonders what the motivation behind cmake was | Apr 19 00:26 | |
| matey | just to cmake things difficult | Apr 19 00:27 |
| activelow | cmake, written in c++ (controlled by corps), supports portability towards microsoft | Apr 19 00:27 |
| matey | im confused as to what youre pointing at <- ah, now i understand. i filter out the bots, otherwise i wouldnt know what people in here are saying | Apr 19 00:29 |
| matey | of course on rare occasion, filtering them so i dont know what people are saying IS THE REASON i dont know what theyre saying | Apr 19 00:30 |
| matey | MinceR │ the ultimate being-repaired machine <- no, it doesnt run systemd | Apr 19 00:31 |
| matey | schestowitz-TR │ refreshes rss <- read this as "refreshes rms" but good luck | Apr 19 00:32 |
| matey | easier than refreshing fsf but theres a nuance | Apr 19 00:32 |
| matey | i mean a hard dependency | Apr 19 00:33 |
| schestowitz-TR | actually no... | Apr 19 00:37 |
| schestowitz-TR | I want to go through ryan's link using rss | Apr 19 00:38 |
| schestowitz-TR | and without js | Apr 19 00:38 |
| schestowitz-TR | rss is also my initials, but no connection | Apr 19 00:38 |
| schestowitz-TR | regarding my coimputers being patchwork, yes, it's true.. | Apr 19 00:38 |
| schestowitz-TR | I basically adds bits and bobs | Apr 19 00:38 |
| schestowitz-TR | and keep the older ones around, trying to maximise use of those | Apr 19 00:38 |
| MinceR | https://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2022/04/15/surtr | Apr 19 00:39 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.penny-arcade.com | Surtr - Penny Arcade | Apr 19 00:39 | |
| schestowitz | http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2022/04/18/work-from-home-setup/ | Apr 19 00:39 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com » Blog Archive » My New Work-From-Home Setup (Changed This Easter/Sunday) | Apr 19 00:39 | |
| matey | <schestowitz-TR> regarding my coimputers being patchwork, yes, it's true.. <- theres noting wrong with that, but its unavoidable with a car | Apr 19 00:40 |
| matey | it is an old car, and fixing it is bullshit, but the latter is because its a car, not because its old | Apr 19 00:40 |
| matey | the whole point of getting an old car was to avoid MORE bullshit, not to avoid bullshit altogether | Apr 19 00:41 |
| matey | its a lesser evil | Apr 19 00:41 |
| matey | you might say walking is a lesser evil, but it depends on the layout of where you live. you dont have to get mandy to work. | Apr 19 00:41 |
| matey | you live in a city that is suited to pedestrian life. | Apr 19 00:41 |
| matey | but no matter what, if you have a car, theres going to be bullshit and fixes-- if youre lucky you get a car that is LESS bullshit, and you dont have to do this as often | Apr 19 00:42 |
| matey | but its like getting a cat. even if its free, its going to cost you a lot when you first get it | Apr 19 00:43 |
| matey | /me doesnt know why they cant make cats that are better from the factory, but isnt qualified to do anything about it | Apr 19 00:43 |
| MinceR | it's an optimization attempt | Apr 19 00:44 |
| MinceR | eventually old cars become less reliable and more expensive to maintain | Apr 19 00:44 |
| techrights-news | GNU Parted 3.5 Released with Support for the Linux “Home” GUID, Bug Fixes • Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163876 | Apr 19 00:45 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | GNU Parted 3.5 Released with Support for the Linux “Home” GUID, Bug Fixes | Tux Machines | Apr 19 00:45 | |
| activelow | anyway, at first glance, attaching cmake to any component as a build time dependency (bdep) seems not critical | Apr 19 00:47 |
| activelow | yet, what happens once it is, such as, required by lz4 compression | Apr 19 00:47 |
| activelow | such a library, often, resides inside base system, then suddenly both cmake and c++ are pulled even when lz4 itself doesnt require it during runtime | Apr 19 00:48 |
| activelow | this poisons the whole tree | Apr 19 00:48 |
| activelow | similar situation with zstd (from facebook) | Apr 19 00:48 |
| activelow | autotools weren't that bad, except those weren't tailored for... deployment to microsoft | Apr 19 00:49 |
| matey | eventually old cars become less reliable and more expensive to maintain <- as opposed to new ones that are already like that when you get them | Apr 19 00:49 |
| MinceR | depends on the car in question | Apr 19 00:49 |
| matey | of course | Apr 19 00:50 |
| MinceR | mine is pretty reliable and inexpensive to maintain so far | Apr 19 00:50 |
| matey | either way the selection of 90s cars is getting smaller | Apr 19 00:50 |
| matey | unless they start making more of them | Apr 19 00:50 |
| matey | we would have to find some way to tell them | Apr 19 00:50 |
| MinceR | they can't, unless they invent the time machine | Apr 19 00:51 |
| matey | right? | Apr 19 00:51 |
| matey | in day of the tentacle, dr fred makes a time machine out of an edsel and "port-o-johns" | Apr 19 00:51 |
| MinceR | i'd be fine with naughties cars though | Apr 19 00:51 |
| matey | he was going to use an impala but dfc set him straight | Apr 19 00:51 |
| XRevan86 | autotools are great. Slow but great. Needlessly complicated but great. Complicated both as a design and as a programming experience. But great. | Apr 19 00:52 |
| MinceR | even later if i can have the telematics disabled without wreaking too much havoc | Apr 19 00:52 |
| MinceR | XRevan86: lol | Apr 19 00:52 |
| XRevan86 | So nothing wrong with autotols except that darn Microsoft deployment lobby. | Apr 19 00:52 |
| matey | requiring perl, but great | Apr 19 00:52 |
| techrights-news | Microsoft Windows TCO https://thehackernews.com/2022/04/russian-hackers-tried-attacking.html | Apr 19 00:52 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-thehackernews.com | Russian Hackers Tried Attacking Ukraine's Power Grid with Industroyer2 Malware | Apr 19 00:52 | |
| MinceR | nothing wrong with autoconfuse as long as i don't have to use it | Apr 19 00:52 |
| activelow | XRevan86: you're saying it is great, i am saying cmake/meson/etc. add more problems than fixing any | Apr 19 00:53 |
| matey | XRevan86 <- suppose i hated autotools with a passion (not with a passion, havent used it) and i wanted to FORK a reasonable alternative to them | Apr 19 00:53 |
| techrights-news | Experiment with ’80s graphics using this breadboard setup https://blog.arduino.cc/2022/04/19/experiment-with-80s-graphics-using-this-breadboard-setup/ | Apr 19 00:53 |
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| matey | what should i fork instead? (because its probably github based and until its forked, no) | Apr 19 00:53 |
| activelow | in fact, with the build systems introduced, supposed to fix the greatness, the dependency graphs were blown up further | Apr 19 00:53 |
| matey | assume i have a team of a handful of skilled people (but not wizards) | Apr 19 00:54 |
| techrights-news | [PATCH 0/3] New SMCA Syndrome registers and FRU Text feature - Yazen Ghannam ⚓ https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/20220418174010.330559-1-yazen.ghannam@amd.com/ ䷉ Source: amd | Apr 19 00:54 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lore.kernel.org | [PATCH 0/3] New SMCA Syndrome registers and FRU Text feature - Yazen Ghannam | Apr 19 00:54 | |
| activelow | thinking about it, i do not want python as a build dependency of any package inside base system; autotools/make etc. are sufficiently great | Apr 19 00:54 |
| MinceR | yeah, cmake and meson are probably even worse | Apr 19 00:54 |
| MinceR | i'm glad neither lisp nor python needs any of that | Apr 19 00:54 |
| matey | <activelow> thinking about it, i do not want python as a build dependency of any package inside base system <- you are so fucked | Apr 19 00:54 |
| matey | <MinceR> i'm glad neither lisp nor python needs any of that <- what about gnu libc? | Apr 19 00:55 |
| MinceR | it's abstracted from me in that case | Apr 19 00:55 |
| XRevan86 | matey: https://git.sr.ht/%7Elattis/muon fork this then. | Apr 19 00:55 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-git.sr.ht | ~lattis/muon - sourcehut git | Apr 19 00:55 | |
| MinceR | then again, if i had to write native code, it's possible that i could get away with relying on a reasonably standard set of free unixes and just use a makefile of some sort | Apr 19 00:56 |
| matey | my understanding (or hopefully misunderstanding) of gnu is that its MOSTLY perl and python, IF you intend to actually build the fucking thing (even just the core of it, not silly things that arent the least bit essential) | Apr 19 00:56 |
| MinceR | gmake if necessary | Apr 19 00:56 |
| matey | <XRevan86> matey: https://git.sr.ht/%7Elattis/muon fork this then. <- cheers, thanks | Apr 19 00:56 |
| activelow | i am not saying it must be removed, cmake, python/meson, i am saying it must be possible to remove it from the base system | Apr 19 00:56 |
| matey | i am not saying it must be removed <- oh this isnt your fault, its just... theyre everywhere | Apr 19 00:57 |
| activelow | simply because, autotools/make are already there, and cannot be removed anyway, and with meson/python yet another bdep blows up the dependency graph | Apr 19 00:57 |
| matey | indeed | Apr 19 00:57 |
| activelow | cmake was a heavy attack against free software, it benefit microsoft, and noone else; _my_ opinion | Apr 19 00:58 |
| activelow | c++ itself, and the story related to gcc, was the next escalation, even worse the cmake attack | Apr 19 00:59 |
| techrights-ipfs-bot | ▕ IPFS downstream, 60 mins: ▅▄▅▂▄▅▆▆▃▄▅▆▂▁▆▃▆▂▃▂▁▂▆▅▃▂▅▁▅▆▃▄▂▃▄▁ avg(k/sec) 18.91 ▕ IPFS upstream: ▂▁▁▁▁▂▂▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▂▁▁▁█▁▂█▂▁▁▂▁▁▂▂▂▃▁▁▁ avg(k/sec) 66.60▕ swarm size (avg): 282.53 ⟲ | Apr 19 00:59 |
| XRevan86 | I'm failing to see the connection between CMake and Microsoft. | Apr 19 00:59 |
| activelow | XRevan86: cmake generates vstudio sln | Apr 19 00:59 |
| techrights-news | Some Web sites have become soooo dumb that they've outsourced everything to ClownFlare with JavaScript challenges made mandatory. Maybe those webmasters don't know what RSS feeds are; RSS readers cannot solve JS challenges!!! These sites commit suicide. Social control media won't redeem them. | Apr 19 00:59 |
| activelow | that's why, it's creeping into, the tree | Apr 19 00:59 |
| XRevan86 | activelow: The horror! | Apr 19 00:59 |
| XRevan86 | What other terrifying backends does it have? | Apr 19 01:00 |
| activelow | the horror is autotools+cmake+python/meson+++++ | Apr 19 01:00 |
| activelow | and, it's not possible to generate _simple_ makefiles with cmake | Apr 19 01:00 |
| activelow | as soon as cmake is involved, the makefiles are... almost as terrible than what automake exretes | Apr 19 01:01 |
| activelow | *excretes | Apr 19 01:01 |
| XRevan86 | activelow: Those aren't supposed to be used standalone. | Apr 19 01:01 |
| XRevan86 | autotools generating standalone Makefiles is one of the reasons of why it's so slow and complicated. | Apr 19 01:02 |
| activelow | yes, and i object to cmake blowing up the tree, particularly because cmake itself is implemented in c++ | Apr 19 01:02 |
| XRevan86 | And error-prone, albeit that's implied. | Apr 19 01:02 |
| activelow | besides, the components inside gentoo stage tarballs, do not require cmake (could have changed since zstd, need to check, i removed zstd which pulled in some rubbish) | Apr 19 01:03 |
| XRevan86 | activelow: I think that stops you from understanding why these tools are being used. | Apr 19 01:03 |
| activelow | XRevan86: i hacked with all of it, autotools, cmake, make, etc... | Apr 19 01:04 |
| activelow | i've had enough of it | Apr 19 01:04 |
| matey | <activelow> cmake was a heavy attack against free software, it benefit microsoft, and noone else; _my_ opinion <- interested, but not sure why it helps microsoft | Apr 19 01:04 |
| XRevan86 | matey: Backends, my friend. | Apr 19 01:05 |
| activelow | it benefits microsoft, and blows up the dependency graph | Apr 19 01:05 |
| matey | /me is grateful there are non-shills who can provide counterpoints to activelow sometimes | Apr 19 01:05 |
| XRevan86 | matey: A non-Microsoft build system will only support make. | Apr 19 01:05 |
| matey | so cmake really is useless then | Apr 19 01:05 |
| activelow | no, cmake does not belong into the base-system, at least | Apr 19 01:06 |
| activelow | python/meson, same | Apr 19 01:06 |
| XRevan86 | Meson doesn't do make at all, by the way, it's oriented on ninja. | Apr 19 01:06 |
| matey | /me doesnt tend to investigate build tools, since no personal investigation would likely be as useful as collecting opinions from people who have used them | Apr 19 01:06 |
| matey | meson seems to be a power grab, or is it | Apr 19 01:06 |
| AltLink_c52c | 🔔 New Issue | Dhl shipment | https://framagit.org/dCF/deCloudflare/-/issues/32 | Apr 19 01:07 |
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| activelow | furthermore, it isn't autotools at fault, with the complexity involved, autotools are the swiss army knive of the unix wars | Apr 19 01:07 |
| activelow | at least, at that time, microsoft had no word to say; | Apr 19 01:07 |
| XRevan86 | Ironically, Meson is the best thing that could've happened to activelow (or muon is). | Apr 19 01:07 |
| activelow | so, all the goodies available with autotools, weren't with microsoft, except cygwin, and microsoft didn't deserve any better | Apr 19 01:08 |
| activelow | XRevan86: meson requires python... i'll track this and remove it, from the base system | Apr 19 01:08 |
| activelow | if possible | Apr 19 01:08 |
| matey | Meson is the best thing that could've happened to activelow <- why | Apr 19 01:09 |
| matey | (muon noted) | Apr 19 01:09 |
| activelow | and, none of it will be gone: cmake/meson/c++, i only clean up the dependency graph of the base-system | Apr 19 01:10 |
| XRevan86 | activelow: First of all, python can be stripped to be more palatable for the base system. Second of all, there are alternative implementations, one of which I already mentioned not once but twice. | Apr 19 01:10 |
| XRevan86 | matey: Because it's easy to use and easy to implement. | Apr 19 01:10 |
| XRevan86 | A no-nonsense build system, but no, we want ancient trash that is barely maintained because the design is spaghetti. | Apr 19 01:11 |
| activelow | didn't arrive at muon yet... noted | Apr 19 01:12 |
| activelow | given muon is implemented in C... that's ok. | Apr 19 01:12 |
| matey | /me wonders if gnu will hold onto autotools forever or replace it with something more reasonable | Apr 19 01:14 |
| matey | of course reasonable considers things like-- the possibility of compiling on a machine with 1gb of ram | Apr 19 01:15 |
| matey | if most of your packages will, and then the build system precludes this, thats not a great option | Apr 19 01:15 |
| activelow | with the c-only profile, 512MiB will suffice, 1GiB is premium already | Apr 19 01:15 |
| XRevan86 | matey: They'll maintain autotools forever, but they might start migrating the GNU software to Meson. | Apr 19 01:15 |
| activelow | and if tinycc succeeds... a single core should do | Apr 19 01:16 |
| activelow | gcc is very slow, g++ is a nightmare, an act of sabotage against free software developers | Apr 19 01:17 |
| XRevan86 | Said the person that was okay with autotools just now. | Apr 19 01:17 |
| matey | <activelow> gcc is very slow, g++ is a nightmare, an act of sabotage against free software developers <- im quite certain sabotage is a real thing, but some choices are just stupidity | Apr 19 01:17 |
| matey | "never attribute to malice that which can be adequately" <- this adage wont always be useful in a corporate setting, but it isnt completely obsolete | Apr 19 01:18 |
| activelow | XRevan86: i am saying i cannot remove autotools, nor anyone else could, and meson/muon/cmake/... only added complexity to the dependency graph so far | Apr 19 01:18 |
| matey | how did muon complicate anything? | Apr 19 01:18 |
| XRevan86 | Fun fact: in smaller projects that use autotools, they're the slowest part of the build process by far. | Apr 19 01:18 |
| matey | <XRevan86> Fun fact: in smaller projects that use autotools, they're the slowest part of the build process by far. <- this is good to know | Apr 19 01:18 |
| activelow | matey: it is an additional component, which needs testing etc (although the ninja->samurai transition was easy, once noticed samurai exists) | Apr 19 01:19 |
| matey | okay, so "inconclusive" then | Apr 19 01:19 |
| matey | requires more testing could still lead to a better option | Apr 19 01:19 |
| activelow | autotools compile many tests... it is the compilation which is slow... tested autotools with tinycc... alot faster, surprise | Apr 19 01:20 |
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| XRevan86 | I think I should advocate to activelow that GCC with -O0 is the best kind of GCC. | Apr 19 01:21 |
| techrights-news | ClownFlare has trashed the World Wide Web and made no money in the process. We now need to eradicate this web-cancer, ASAP. | Apr 19 01:21 |
| activelow | XRevan86: i tried -O0, g++ remains what it is, extremely slow compilation | Apr 19 01:21 |
| XRevan86 | That might give GCC a fighting chance in activelow's compiler tests. | Apr 19 01:21 |
| XRevan86 | C++ is actually slower to compile than C. | Apr 19 01:22 |
| activelow | the only solution to g++ (and llvm alike), is their complete removal | Apr 19 01:22 |
| XRevan86 | There's nothing that can change that. | Apr 19 01:22 |
| XRevan86 | Except writing C++ code that avoids exceptions and such. | Apr 19 01:22 |
| activelow | well, gcc c compilation is very slow too in comparison to tinycc, yet i doubt the complexity of c++ allowed for an efficient compiler implementation | Apr 19 01:23 |
| XRevan86 | But even that requires at least C++11 because that's when "noexcept" was introduced. | Apr 19 01:23 |
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| activelow | no, g++ supported fno-exceptions/fno-rtti with v4.7 already | Apr 19 01:24 |
| activelow | nonetheless, then almost all packages break, because with c++ almost always exceptions are required | Apr 19 01:24 |
| XRevan86 | Fair enough, I'm too focused on the standards I guess. | Apr 19 01:24 |
| XRevan86 | activelow: Ah, well, naturally. | Apr 19 01:26 |
| activelow | anyway, tomorrow i'll track the GTK2/3 dependency graph and related goodies against c++ | Apr 19 01:29 |
| activelow | to my surprise, a powerful *nix workstation software set remains, even when cmake/c++ are removed entirely | Apr 19 01:30 |
| matey | it would be amazing to have a build system / repo that did was activelow is doing but built in as a feature | Apr 19 01:30 |
| matey | s/was/what | Apr 19 01:30 |
| matey | like you could say "show me whats possible without c++" and bam | Apr 19 01:30 |
| activelow | matey, i am fiddling my changeset into the gentoo tree | Apr 19 01:30 |
| matey | yes | Apr 19 01:30 |
| matey | but along a certain profile based on removing c++ as a dep | Apr 19 01:31 |
| matey | i mean something that would let you do this with various profiles | Apr 19 01:31 |
| activelow | gentoo, even supports the cxx flag, yet it isn't recognized against gcc anymore, because since v4.8 gcc _always_ ships a c++ compiler so this isn't tracked by gentoo portage anymore | Apr 19 01:31 |
| matey | gentoo, even supports the cxx flag, yet it isn't recognized against gcc anymore <- this puts up a red flag and even im sceptical gcc would drop support for that | Apr 19 01:32 |
| matey | but id love to know whose idea that was (red hat) | Apr 19 01:32 |
| activelow | it was dicussed on the mailing lists, mainly with arguments to restrict the feature set of c++ being used | Apr 19 01:32 |
| XRevan86 | matey: GCC is written in C++ now, so it needs the compiler for itself. | Apr 19 01:33 |
| activelow | yet, the masterminds missed the trivial fact, as soon as any single line of code of c++ resides inside gcc and must be compiled, then a c++ compiler is required | Apr 19 01:33 |
| activelow | and this is neat about gcc-4.7, it offers a c++ compiler, which requires only a C-compiler to bootstrap | Apr 19 01:34 |
| XRevan86 | Which in practice is not really an issue, except for some dubious purism. | Apr 19 01:34 |
| activelow | XRevan86: the c++ decision of GCC effectively drilled a nail into the coffin if GNU and free software | Apr 19 01:35 |
| activelow | *of | Apr 19 01:35 |
| XRevan86 | The argument cannot even be made for embedded, because… no one ships a compiler there. | Apr 19 01:35 |
| activelow | "embedded", a buzzword nowadays, and even then, to my surprise, sdcc was implemented in c++, what a nonsense | Apr 19 01:35 |
| XRevan86 | activelow: Where can I inspect that nail and that coffin? | Apr 19 01:35 |
| activelow | XRevan86: gcc website | Apr 19 01:36 |
| activelow | i think it was gcc.gnu.org | Apr 19 01:36 |
| XRevan86 | activelow: The world appears to continue spinning. | Apr 19 01:36 |
| activelow | without free software, yes | Apr 19 01:37 |
| XRevan86 | And GCC has made a lot of improvements over the years, including its analyser, which made Clang less appealing. | Apr 19 01:37 |
| XRevan86 | In GCC 4.8 days Clang actually looked like it's going to take over the Linux world. | Apr 19 01:37 |
| activelow | i do not want no fu**ing C++ inside kernel/compiler/base-system | Apr 19 01:37 |
| activelow | llvm/clang was a c++ monstrosity from the beginning, no thanks | Apr 19 01:38 |
| activelow | llvm isn't an alternative, it's only some other sponsor involved there | Apr 19 01:38 |
| activelow | the alternative is: tinycc or pcc | Apr 19 01:38 |
| XRevan86 | activelow: Write a complaint to Sportlotto | Apr 19 01:38 |
| XRevan86 | (Soviet version of /dev/null) | Apr 19 01:39 |
| activelow | there was lengthy discussions about rust inside kernel, missing again the trivial fact, it's already there, dressed up as GCC-5.X since recently | Apr 19 01:40 |
| XRevan86 | activelow: Distinguish your wants with the free software needs. | Apr 19 01:40 |
| activelow | c++ is a demarcation line, of what can be considered free software and what can't be | Apr 19 01:41 |
| XRevan86 | Said one person. | Apr 19 01:41 |
| matey | <XRevan86> The argument cannot even be made for embedded, because… no one ships a compiler there. <- this is circular, isnt it? | Apr 19 01:41 |
| activelow | and, reminder, GTK2/3 are written in C; the developers even implemented Vala language to avoid c++ there | Apr 19 01:41 |
| activelow | now, what have we got, some years later? | Apr 19 01:42 |
| XRevan86 | matey: Not really, because it makes little sense to compile there. | Apr 19 01:42 |
| matey | i mean what hes trying to do is make a self-hosting embedded system | Apr 19 01:42 |
| matey | because it makes little sense to compile there <- so what youre saying is... and please dont let me twist your words, im not interested in doing that | Apr 19 01:42 |
| matey | id like an honest argument on both sides | Apr 19 01:42 |
| XRevan86 | activelow: They had their reasons to dislike C++. | Apr 19 01:42 |
| matey | a bullshit argument (even my own) is of no use to me really. | Apr 19 01:42 |
| DaemonFC | Lemonade is offering car insurance now. | Apr 19 01:43 |
| matey | but what youre saying is-- if a reasonable argument can be made to compile on say a pi with 1gb ram... | Apr 19 01:43 |
| DaemonFC | Looks pretty cheap if you pay in full. | Apr 19 01:43 |
| matey | then activelows quest isnt completely stupid | Apr 19 01:43 |
| activelow | btw. i already got such a self-hosting system; except u-boot loader which insists on swig/c++ (can be fixed, no time yet) | Apr 19 01:43 |
| matey | dont get me wrong, some of his decisions are of no use to me, though i dont consider the research a waste | Apr 19 01:43 |
| XRevan86 | matey: If embedded is so weak it can't fit G++, it's not going to be productive as a compiling station. | Apr 19 01:43 |
| activelow | and aarch64 kernel requires a c++ compiler currently, until i could implement an aarch64 asm processing backend for tinycc (huge task) | Apr 19 01:44 |
| matey | <XRevan86> matey: If embedded is so weak it can't fit G++, it's not going to be productive as a compiling station. <- this seems like a recipe for endless bloat | Apr 19 01:44 |
| XRevan86 | matey: Also *having* G++ is not the same thing as trying to compile Chromium. | Apr 19 01:44 |
| matey | unless of course, g++ is (what youre implying) such a modest requirement. if so... then ok, thats an argument too | Apr 19 01:44 |
| activelow | i can easily use g++ on the cortex a53 here, yet this is a bad choice, on embedded, and everywhere else when _free_ software is desired | Apr 19 01:44 |
| matey | matey: Also *having* G++ is not the same thing as trying to compile Chromium. <-- well no, but i dont know who would conflate those, not even activelow | Apr 19 01:45 |
| activelow | chromiums is _not_ free software | Apr 19 01:45 |
| XRevan86 | matey: His quest is stupid even just because weak systems would want optimised code especially. | Apr 19 01:45 |
| matey | <activelow> i can easily use g++ on the cortex a53 here, yet this is a bad choice, on embedded <- why does "embedded" need to self-host then? | Apr 19 01:45 |
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| matey | <XRevan86> matey: His quest is stupid even just because weak systems would want optimised code especially. <- so... law of diminishing returns? | Apr 19 01:45 |
| XRevan86 | matey: Optimisations benefit the weaker more than the stronger. | Apr 19 01:45 |
| activelow | matey: _free_ software _always_ _must_ self host on any system it is used | Apr 19 01:46 |
| activelow | otherwise it is not free | Apr 19 01:46 |
| matey | <activelow> matey: _free_ software _always_ _must_ self host on any system it is used <- im not prepared to think thats true in a concrete way | Apr 19 01:46 |
| DaemonFC | "Do all drivers need the Lemonade app on their phone? (Yep!) | Apr 19 01:46 |
| DaemonFC | They do. We use ‘telematics’ to price our policies fairly, to help with fast claims, provide on-site emergency services, and to calculate your CO₂ emissions so we can plant trees in your name." | Apr 19 01:46 |
| activelow | because a non-self-hosting setup typically implies limitations to freedom | Apr 19 01:46 |
| DaemonFC | Yeah, so it has all the downsides of MetroMile as far as tracking, plus it knows if you're using the phone. | Apr 19 01:46 |
| matey | <activelow> because a non-self-hosting setup typically implies limitations to freedo <- im pretty sure we can come up with a reasonable counter example | Apr 19 01:46 |
| XRevan86 | So if I build a binary in one play and copy it to another, it's not free. | Apr 19 01:47 |
| matey | there must be worthwhile systems so modest that it would only make sense to compile on something more powerful | Apr 19 01:47 |
| XRevan86 | * in one place | Apr 19 01:47 |
| activelow | matey: then, come on, how many dozens of millions of lines of code does your non-self-hosting setup add to the toxic mix? | Apr 19 01:47 |
| matey | but... on the other side of the coin, llvm is so bloated that even saying its "self hosts" seems a bit cynical | Apr 19 01:47 |
| matey | it self hosts if you invest a fuckload of money, when you could use gcc instead | Apr 19 01:47 |
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| matey | <activelow> matey: then, come on, how many dozens of millions of lines of code does your non-self-hosting setup add to the toxic mix <- no, i agree with THAT part, not that the two parts are interdependent really | Apr 19 01:48 |
| DaemonFC | Used cars are going up way faster than new ones. | Apr 19 01:48 |
| activelow | matey: gcc-4.7, not any later anymore | Apr 19 01:48 |
| matey | okay, but... | Apr 19 01:48 |
| DaemonFC | Of course, people see this as the last hoorah for something that was built right. | Apr 19 01:48 |
| XRevan86 | Simple truth, again: TinyCC is not capable of compiling well, it can compile quickly but not well. | Apr 19 01:48 |
| DaemonFC | Wait until the government makes them install facial recognition in 2026 to disable the car if it thinks you're tired or drunk. | Apr 19 01:48 |
| DaemonFC | How much does that cost? | Apr 19 01:48 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz-TR, ^ | Apr 19 01:48 |
| matey | i still see your system as performance art and research, rather than something that people are likely to use | Apr 19 01:48 |
| matey | and i think its got great potential-- i made a programming language for RHETORICAL purposes | Apr 19 01:49 |
| XRevan86 | s/are likely to/would ever/ | Apr 19 01:49 |
| matey | this seems like a rhetorical distro | Apr 19 01:49 |
| DaemonFC | That picture is odd. | Apr 19 01:49 |
| DaemonFC | I didn't know there was a lot's worth of 2008 Minis that still ran in all of America. | Apr 19 01:50 |
| matey | TinyCC is not capable of compiling well, it can compile quickly but not well. <- activelow is one of three people interested in having tinycc as an option | Apr 19 01:50 |
| DaemonFC | Much less on the same lot at the same time. | Apr 19 01:50 |
| matey | three people in this channel, that is | Apr 19 01:50 |
| DaemonFC | And $22,000 is $22,000 more than any Mini is worth. | Apr 19 01:50 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, ^ | Apr 19 01:50 |
| XRevan86 | matey: As I said before, he's more than welcome to try to fix TinyCC. | Apr 19 01:50 |
| matey | as an option, not necessarily as a preferred option. just a possible one. | Apr 19 01:50 |
| matey | i dont think he considers it broken for his needs | Apr 19 01:50 |
| XRevan86 | matey: In this channel, who are the other two? | Apr 19 01:51 |
| matey | and as long as there are other options, he wouldnt need to fix it if its not broken for his needs | Apr 19 01:51 |
| matey | <XRevan86> matey: In this channel, who are the other two? <- myself (for now) and one ill leave out (except to count them) | Apr 19 01:51 |
| matey | im sure they dont want to get wrapped up in this | Apr 19 01:51 |
| matey | but you can spot them if you look | Apr 19 01:51 |
| matey | note that none of this would likely make us use baphometos of course | Apr 19 01:52 |
| XRevan86 | matey: His needs could include a COBOL compiler, that wouldn't make it any more suited to compile real C code. | Apr 19 01:52 |
| activelow | concerning TinyCC, first i'll dump the entire package set into it, and collect a list of what's broken (which i know some already) | Apr 19 01:52 |
| activelow | at bare minimum, everything compiles, and executes flawlessly | Apr 19 01:52 |
| activelow | furthermore, tinycc does slightly optimize close to -O1, which is, good enough | Apr 19 01:52 |
| matey | if the definition of "real c code" changes, im not sure its fair to ask every compiler to follow suit | Apr 19 01:52 |
| activelow | because the tradeoff is _perfect_, 10x faster compilation, slightly slowler execution speed | Apr 19 01:53 |
| matey | it depends what you mean by "real c code"-- from what activelow is doing, it sounds like he has a pretty large subset of "real c code" that compiles with tinycc | Apr 19 01:53 |
| matey | unless hes fooling himself | Apr 19 01:53 |
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| DaemonFC | The ride has a 300 pound weight limit and they couldn't tell THIS was too big to get on the ride. | Apr 19 01:53 |
| activelow | furthermore, processing of big data is limited by memory i/o, less dependant on highly optimizing compilers than "benchmarks" imply | Apr 19 01:53 |
| matey | <DaemonFC> The ride has a 300 pound weight limit <- those arent suggestions | Apr 19 01:54 |
| DaemonFC | No they aren't. | Apr 19 01:54 |
| matey | i mean the engineers do provide | Apr 19 01:54 |
| activelow | yes matey, there is an extensive test case available, i am certain passes gcc-4.7 C-only | Apr 19 01:54 |
| matey | SOME leeway, but they dont put that leeway in the spec (for good reason imo) | Apr 19 01:54 |
| XRevan86 | I can make a synthetic test that will freeze up tinycc compiled binaries completely while GCC would crunch it easily. | Apr 19 01:54 |
| DaemonFC | A good engineer is a little conservative, at least on paper. | Apr 19 01:54 |
| DaemonFC | But this guy was obviously way over. | Apr 19 01:54 |
| matey | <XRevan86> I can make a synthetic test that will freeze up tinycc compiled binaries completely while GCC would crunch it easily. <- proving what exactly? | Apr 19 01:54 |
| activelow | and, this system is rather useful already, given this irc box is already using the c-only profile | Apr 19 01:54 |
| matey | that gcc can compile hypoethetically useful code better? | Apr 19 01:55 |
| XRevan86 | matey: Not necessarily fair, but that "slightly" is not a fair assessment either. | Apr 19 01:55 |
| matey | im sure that in practical terms, activelows requirements are nuts | Apr 19 01:55 |
| matey | im fairly convinced thats a great place to start though | Apr 19 01:55 |
| XRevan86 | matey: Yes, that real code can be *significantly* slower with tinycc. | Apr 19 01:55 |
| matey | but we know that already, it doesnt tell us anythign we dont already know | Apr 19 01:56 |
| DaemonFC | I like to try to keep things within the specified tolerances of the engineers. | Apr 19 01:56 |
| DaemonFC | Maybe do them a little better. | Apr 19 01:56 |
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| activelow | furthermore, i am targetting a _clean_ base system, which i am already using to bootstrap any later GCC version for example, or c++ stuff, _outside_ the base system | Apr 19 01:56 |
| XRevan86 | matey: I think I said this before: there's one person that disagrees with you here. | Apr 19 01:56 |
| activelow | i want to keep clean the base system | Apr 19 01:57 |
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| activelow | and, tinycc is known it can bootstrap gcc-4.7 (x86_64); a voila | Apr 19 01:57 |
| activelow | because, gnu guix couldn't bootstrap anymore since gcc-2.8/egcs | Apr 19 01:57 |
| activelow | which is hitting another show-stopper, of what went wrong, with GNU | Apr 19 01:58 |
| DaemonFC | I actually do run better fluids in my car than the engineers call for. | Apr 19 01:58 |
| matey | /me has about as much interest in guix as macos | Apr 19 01:58 |
| matey | actually less, but with both its close to 0 | Apr 19 01:58 |
| DaemonFC | I had them replace the DOT 3 brake fluid with DOT 4 while they were flushing it out anyway today. | Apr 19 01:58 |
| DaemonFC | Might as well. | Apr 19 01:58 |
| DaemonFC | They're compatible, so it won't like, destroy anything if there was a little DOT 3 left in there. | Apr 19 01:58 |
| activelow | i am not interested in guix itself, i am only interested in the bootstrapping procedure which guix implemented for GCC-2.7 (LONG time ago, and broken since gcc-2.8) | Apr 19 01:59 |
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| matey | macos being non-free is of no use to me, though darwin is at least hypothetically interesting (has been for years) | Apr 19 01:59 |
| matey | (not likely to become more than hypothetically interesting soon) | Apr 19 01:59 |
| matey | i am not interested in guix itself, i am only interested in the bootstrapping procedure which guix implemented for GCC-2.7 (LONG time ago, and broken since gcc-2.8) <- fair enough | Apr 19 01:59 |
| matey | <XRevan86> matey: I think I said this before: there's one person that disagrees with you here. <- and im still interested in your arguments. an echo chamber would be a REALLY stupid thing to have on this | Apr 19 02:00 |
| XRevan86 | matey: Darwin is pretty uninteresting in my opinion. | Apr 19 02:00 |
| XRevan86 | matey: I meant activelow. | Apr 19 02:00 |
| matey | <XRevan86> matey: Darwin is pretty uninteresting in my opinion. <- its mentioned for purely rhetorical reasons | Apr 19 02:00 |
| matey | I meant activelow. <- no problem | Apr 19 02:00 |
| matey | either way, no problem | Apr 19 02:00 |
| XRevan86 | matey: That he clearly takes this very seriously. | Apr 19 02:00 |
| matey | well, i think theres an element of obsession to this | Apr 19 02:01 |
| matey | but you could say the same for rms or even the wright brothers (not to put him in the same category per se) | Apr 19 02:01 |
| matey | just that obsession isnt always a bad thing (it can uh... have side effects obviously-- and lead someone away from a reasonable answer sometimes) | Apr 19 02:02 |
| matey | sometimes, but not always | Apr 19 02:02 |
| DaemonFC | 40 microfiber towels.... :/ | Apr 19 02:02 |
| matey | but the counterpoint is useful | Apr 19 02:02 |
| XRevan86 | matey: Some people fight oppressors, some people fight windmills. One can say they have a thing in common. | Apr 19 02:02 |
| DaemonFC | I didn't want that many, but it was almost the same price as 10... | Apr 19 02:02 |
| matey | matey: Some people fight oppressors, some people fight windmills. One can say they have a thing in common. <- but theres a nuance | Apr 19 02:02 |
| XRevan86 | matey: Yes there is :) | Apr 19 02:03 |
| DaemonFC | Oh well. I can just use as many as I need I guess. I found some waterless car wash. | Apr 19 02:03 |
| matey | in tech i think tilting at windmills can be good sometimes | Apr 19 02:03 |
| matey | it really depends on the windmill | Apr 19 02:03 |
| DaemonFC | Half the year I can do my own in the parking lot with that, then for a few months when there's salt and stuff, I can switch to a car wash subscription. | Apr 19 02:03 |
| matey | for example, my windmill moved me from gnu to openbsd | Apr 19 02:03 |
| matey | farther from ibm (though i think llvm is a mistake) | Apr 19 02:04 |
| matey | from bash to ksh (which for my purposes, even practical use, is an upgrade) | Apr 19 02:04 |
| matey | from leafpad to my own editor which is WAY more useful than leafpad | Apr 19 02:04 |
| matey | these are practical benefits of my windmill | Apr 19 02:04 |
| matey | so far im pleased with not only the work im doing, but where it has led | Apr 19 02:05 |
| matey | the point being-- | Apr 19 02:05 |
| matey | on the surface, im sure the work im doing looks JUST AS nutty as what activelow is doing | Apr 19 02:05 |
| matey | and so, credit where credit is due (imo) | Apr 19 02:05 |
| matey | i can see his work being useful... as a starting point for something less windmill-ish | Apr 19 02:05 |
| XRevan86 | matey: No, it can be argued against but definitely not JUST AS. | Apr 19 02:06 |
| matey | how familiar are you with what im doing though? | Apr 19 02:06 |
| activelow | matey: OpenBSD were the first to re-consider a sane compiler, PCC | Apr 19 02:06 |
| matey | im not asking to toot my own horn, the whole argument hinges on it | Apr 19 02:06 |
| activelow | hence my surprise, when they switched to llvm/clang | Apr 19 02:06 |
| XRevan86 | matey: At least there's a text editor as output of this? :) | Apr 19 02:06 |
| matey | in fact theres little incentive to toot my own horn when people are more likely to throw tomatoes than roses | Apr 19 02:07 |
| matey | <XRevan86> matey: At least there's a text editor as output of this? :) LOL | Apr 19 02:07 |
| matey | fair enough! | Apr 19 02:07 |
| matey | /me laughs | Apr 19 02:07 |
| matey | but seriously, i can see an outcome to activelows windmill | Apr 19 02:07 |
| matey | i really can | Apr 19 02:07 |
| *XRevan86 can't. | Apr 19 02:07 | |
| matey | well i think your take on it is a bit more cynical, but also useful. | Apr 19 02:08 |
| matey | his work NEEDS a counterpooint | Apr 19 02:08 |
| activelow | although, OpenBSD compilation with PCC wasn't maintained since 2007 anymore, tinycc was more actively maintained | Apr 19 02:08 |
| matey | i actually seek counterpoints to my own work, but i do it as stealthily as possible to focus on opinions i trust and not get bothered by trolls | Apr 19 02:08 |
| XRevan86 | I see it as another TempleOS, that thing only has exotic value. | Apr 19 02:08 |
| matey | opinions i trust, even if i dont agree. | Apr 19 02:08 |
| matey | that thing only has exotic value. <- i dont think its nearly as nutty as that | Apr 19 02:09 |
| matey | almost nothing is | Apr 19 02:09 |
| matey | templeos was purely insane | Apr 19 02:09 |
| matey | unless someday we find it contacts benevolent aliens or something. then im happy to say i was wrong. | Apr 19 02:09 |
| matey | if it saves humanity, then ok, point for templeos | Apr 19 02:09 |
| XRevan86 | matey: It won't. | Apr 19 02:09 |
| matey | yeah im pretty sure too | Apr 19 02:09 |
| XRevan86 | matey: This tries to solve a non-problem and goes to great lengths for it. | Apr 19 02:11 |
| XRevan86 | I dislike that. | Apr 19 02:11 |
| XRevan86 | It's too disproportionate, how ye say, obsessive. | Apr 19 02:11 |
| activelow | terry used his templeos together with an Ubuntu | Apr 19 02:13 |
| activelow | what my system replaces is the ubuntu part, in the realm of templeos i am aiming for z80/gigatron | Apr 19 02:14 |
| activelow | and gigatron is the real temple | Apr 19 02:14 |
| XRevan86 | matey: Well, that answers that. | Apr 19 02:14 |
| activelow | and tinycc is the holy-c compiler equivalent | Apr 19 02:15 |
| XRevan86 | activelow: Is gigatron a German word? | Apr 19 02:15 |
| activelow | XRevan86: it's dutch-made | Apr 19 02:16 |
| activelow | and otherwise, i am nowhere near the intellect of terry | Apr 19 02:16 |
| matey | <XRevan86> matey: Well, that answers that. <- ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ | Apr 19 02:17 |
| matey | /me cant do the face part | Apr 19 02:17 |
| matey | it doesnt render here at all | Apr 19 02:17 |
| matey | <XRevan86> It's too disproportionate, how ye say, obsessive <- as long as we are on the subject | Apr 19 02:18 |
| matey | and i realise its apples vs orchards... | Apr 19 02:18 |
| matey | but why "ye"? i mean, people still say "ya" and it means the same | Apr 19 02:18 |
| matey | im not suggesting an update, only curious | Apr 19 02:19 |
| matey | theres obviously some reason you do it | Apr 19 02:19 |
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| matey | today we are challenging activelows project entirely | Apr 19 02:20 |
| matey | or close enough | Apr 19 02:20 |
| XRevan86 | matey: A bit of a challenge for myself, to make sure I can easily differentiate subjects from objects on the fly. Which I can :). | Apr 19 02:20 |
| matey | for now | Apr 19 02:20 |
| XRevan86 | matey: Incidentally, it's grammatically correct albeit old-fashioned. | Apr 19 02:20 |
| matey | alright | Apr 19 02:20 |
| matey | that doesnt surprise me | Apr 19 02:21 |
| XRevan86 | ("what say ye", "hear ye, hear ye" are proper examples of the pronoun) | Apr 19 02:21 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz-TR, Blogging about the Chevy showroom. | Apr 19 02:21 |
| DaemonFC | "I noticed several things right off the bat. The paint quality looks terrible on most of the cars, the interior is usually cheap plastic. There's absolutely nothing upscale about any of this. It doesn't feel premium. It feels like a cheap KIA, but the cheapest new Chevy I saw there (a base model Equinox SUV, made in Mexico.....bet that'll last) was nearly $30,000, and might be north of $30,000 by the time taxes and dealer nonsense gets added on." | Apr 19 02:21 |
| matey | but as a choice? | Apr 19 02:21 |
| DaemonFC | "The average was about $45,000 for a new vehicle, and the nicer ones, the trucks of course, were $50,000-$60,000. But the window sticker that said that the $60,000 Chevy Silverado was made in Mexico (LOL) also said that GM removed the heated seats.....but there's still a button that doesn't do anything...for the driver and the passenger." | Apr 19 02:21 |
| DaemonFC | "And they compensate you....$50, for its removal." | Apr 19 02:21 |
| matey | i mean there must be some reason you favour it | Apr 19 02:22 |
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| XRevan86 | matey: Don't really know, I guess it's because I dislike that English as a whole goes the entirely opposite direction :) | Apr 19 02:23 |
| XRevan86 | The strict word order allows English speakers to confuse the pronoun cases entirely. | Apr 19 02:24 |
| matey | so theres an argument for better accuracy / less ambiguiity? | Apr 19 02:25 |
| activelow | anyway, baphos isn't any arbitrary distro, it is the last one remaining free; there isn't any other maintained to my knowledge (except aboriginal until 2016) | Apr 19 02:25 |
| matey | it is the last one remaining free <- of course it always depends on how free is defined | Apr 19 02:26 |
| XRevan86 | matey: So nothing much, just a manifestation of my view on languages. I might stop doing that if I decide that causes me to stick out too much. | Apr 19 02:26 |
| matey | i mean if youre going to claim somethins is free, it helps to say why its "more" free or "less" free (i have to do the same, and do) | Apr 19 02:26 |
| activelow | it was explained in detail already | Apr 19 02:26 |
| matey | if I decide that causes me to stick out too much. <- it sticks out like a sore thumb, however i have an eye for tiny details | Apr 19 02:26 |
| matey | other people may already see it as "you" when they read you | Apr 19 02:26 |
| activelow | and here is the other good news: i doubt any other project could catch up anymore with baphometOS | Apr 19 02:27 |
| matey | <activelow> it was explained in detail already <- not disputed, only that to say its "more free" always depends on the definition of free | Apr 19 02:27 |
| activelow | for either political or technical reasons | Apr 19 02:27 |
| XRevan86 | Alpine and Void are the only free distributions, because only musl distributions are free per musl-oriented definition of freedom. | Apr 19 02:27 |
| activelow | projects such as debian/fedora/etc simply can't rollback to a sane state | Apr 19 02:27 |
| XRevan86 | Or maybe Alpine and Void are not free because glibc is the only free option? | Apr 19 02:27 |
| matey | <activelow> projects such as debian/fedora/etc simply can't rollback to a sane state <- i dont agree, i only agree that they WONT do that. | Apr 19 02:27 |
| matey | not that they cant | Apr 19 02:27 |
| matey | for most purposes its the same thing. | Apr 19 02:28 |
| activelow | XRevan86: alpine is among the ones i had considered, yet i doubt alpine will succed with a no-c++/gcc-4.7/tcc profile | Apr 19 02:28 |
| DaemonFC | "The inventory at the Chevrolet dealer was maybe 5-8% of normal, most of the lot was empty. To disguise the fact that there were so few new vehicles to choose from, they parked the trucks sideways so that they would take up three parking spots. Just like their owners. Maybe it's just good client management. I don't know. Maybe they can paint handicapped signs on the parking spots as a form of suggestive selling." | Apr 19 02:28 |
| XRevan86 | activelow: Naturally, but might as well redefine freedom to fit it :) | Apr 19 02:28 |
| activelow | and even if, how much time would alpine devs need, to roll-back to gcc-4.7/no-c++ at least? | Apr 19 02:28 |
| activelow | and even if, they won't for other reasons | Apr 19 02:29 |
| matey | it sticks out like a sore thumb, however i have an eye for tiny details <- i make glaring typos more often than you say "ye" so... | Apr 19 02:29 |
| matey | in this channel at least, it might be a non-issue | Apr 19 02:29 |
| matey | (im not the only one) | Apr 19 02:29 |
| activelow | debian/fedora/and the other big ones are a lost cause, who got the manpower and funding, but cannot do it, for political reasons | Apr 19 02:30 |
| matey | but might as well redefine freedom <- in fairness, there are a lot of people in the world who do just that... and some who can even justify doing so | Apr 19 02:30 |
| matey | but there is an indisputable subjectivity to it | Apr 19 02:30 |
| matey | and probably unavoidable | Apr 19 02:30 |
| activelow | *BSD switched to llvm/clang, good luck with that, youre kernels are rustified, with a c++ compiler, what a glory | Apr 19 02:30 |
| XRevan86 | matey: I have reasons to want discretion, but I feel like it's too late for that, as I grew up in a more free society and have made too many mistakes in the past. | Apr 19 02:30 |
| matey | matey: I have reasons to want discretion <- then id advice not using "ye" in any writings tied to your real identity | Apr 19 02:31 |
| matey | another typo | Apr 19 02:31 |
| matey | advise | Apr 19 02:31 |
| XRevan86 | matey: Every writing is tied to my real identity. | Apr 19 02:32 |
| matey | then theres no problem with ye | Apr 19 02:32 |
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| matey | at least in that context | Apr 19 02:32 |
| XRevan86 | Right, so basically it's too late for me. | Apr 19 02:32 |
| matey | one side effect of using "ye" is that since its mostly associated with "pirate talk" in modern times | Apr 19 02:33 |
| matey | some people who notice you using it MIGHT start to think you sound like a pirate when you speak | Apr 19 02:33 |
| matey | it depends on usage though. if you say "hear ye hear ye" then it sounds like old fashioned english | Apr 19 02:33 |
| matey | if you say "ye" in almost any other context, it sounds more like pirate | Apr 19 02:33 |
| XRevan86 | yarr | Apr 19 02:34 |
| XRevan86 | scurvy | Apr 19 02:34 |
| matey | yarr interestingly enough, is an indian word meaning "friend" | Apr 19 02:34 |
| matey | so its used in india (not just by pirates) | Apr 19 02:34 |
| matey | later i will try to imagine what a pirate would sound like if they were from india, but i really should put russell peters in charge of that | Apr 19 02:35 |
| matey | "can you imagine what pirates would sound like if they were from india?" | Apr 19 02:35 |
| matey | he could do it, if anyone could | Apr 19 02:35 |
| matey | everyone from everywhere loves his accents (chinese fans always tell him what a great impression he does of chinese accents, for one example) | Apr 19 02:36 |
| matey | hes canadian, but of indian descent | Apr 19 02:36 |
| matey | so he starts with asian accents (including indian) but then moves to stories about the african guy in the casino named !XOBle | Apr 19 02:36 |
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| XRevan86 | It's funny that when I make a fake Russian accent no one can tell. | Apr 19 02:37 |
| matey | nyessur ekaf! | Apr 19 02:37 |
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| matey | i was complimented on my morgan freeman impression and my impression of !XOBle by an ex who is actually from africa | Apr 19 02:44 |
| matey | these are not easy impressions and im not terribly confident about them in the first place, but that was nice | Apr 19 02:44 |
| MinceR | :> | Apr 19 02:44 |
| matey | ironically, doing them here could get me lynched | Apr 19 02:44 |
| matey | for EXACTLY THE OPPOSITE reason as... ah well | Apr 19 02:45 |
| matey | people just want to fuck with people. if they dont think of a good reason theyll use a shitty one | Apr 19 02:45 |
| matey | i watched videos from BOTH lieplanets this year | Apr 19 02:46 |
| MinceR | and that's why we can't have nice things | Apr 19 02:46 |
| matey | <MinceR> and that's why we can't have nice things <- sure you can, but only with armed guards | Apr 19 02:47 |
| MinceR | :> | Apr 19 02:47 |
| matey | which i recommend | Apr 19 02:47 |
| matey | in fact i was pretty neutral on the gun issue as a libertarian | Apr 19 02:47 |
| matey | like, whatever | Apr 19 02:47 |
| matey | but if you want socialism, theres simply no avoiding it whatsoever. everyone has to be armed | Apr 19 02:48 |
| matey | as a bonus, it makes elections more honest :) i mean, when EVERYBODY is the crazy one, the REAL crazy ones think twice | Apr 19 02:48 |
| matey | if everybody was armed that whole farce with the guy with the horns wouldnt have happened | Apr 19 02:49 |
| matey | zip ties? try VESTS! | Apr 19 02:49 |
| matey | but its not only for defending your life, its for defending your rights | Apr 19 02:50 |
| XRevan86 | matey: For some reason in countries where democratic institutions work better the social demand for guns is lower. | Apr 19 02:50 |
| matey | matey: For some reason in countries where democratic institutions work better the social demand for guns is lower. <- here you have to define democracy | Apr 19 02:50 |
| matey | and this is the reason why: its not because my definition is exotic compared to yours. | Apr 19 02:50 |
| matey | its because everyone is really offering a SUBSET of democracy | Apr 19 02:51 |
| matey | and those subsets TEND TO favour takeover by capitalists | Apr 19 02:51 |
| matey | in the long run. in the short run, good luck to you sweden | Apr 19 02:51 |
| matey | id say good luck eu, but i might as well say "good luck santa claus" | Apr 19 02:51 |
| XRevan86 | matey: I used the word "institutions" specifically to point out that democracy is defined by how well the government is capable to adapt to its people. | Apr 19 02:51 |
| matey | thats fair of course | Apr 19 02:51 |
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| XRevan86 | When people trust the process, it usually means that the process gives results. | Apr 19 02:52 |
| matey | there im sceptical | Apr 19 02:53 |
| matey | a lot of people trust blatant and obvious liars | Apr 19 02:53 |
| matey | for me to make the statement it would have to be "when people CAN trust the process" | Apr 19 02:53 |
| matey | and that changes a heck of a lot | Apr 19 02:53 |
| XRevan86 | matey: In Russia I see some weird shit: people don't trust the process, but they'll also die on its hill. | Apr 19 02:53 |
| matey | i think MOST democracy is a farce. not the idea, the implementation | Apr 19 02:53 |
| matey | somehow i think if everyone is armed it will be the other way. | Apr 19 02:54 |
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| XRevan86 | Conservatives in the US are a lot like that as well. | Apr 19 02:54 |
| matey | people don't trust the process, but they'll also die on its hill. <- yeah thats not for me | Apr 19 02:54 |
| matey | in the usa, democracy is a veil over capitalists running the country | Apr 19 02:54 |
| matey | and little else | Apr 19 02:54 |
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| XRevan86 | matey: Like conservatives in the US will bash the police but they'll also support the police | Apr 19 02:54 |
| MinceR | 19 035008 < XRevan86> matey: For some reason in countries where democratic institutions work better the social demand for guns is lower. | Apr 19 02:55 |
| MinceR | they never work well enough to make guns unnecessary | Apr 19 02:55 |
| XRevan86 | matey: But the first part is still there: even they don't trust the process. | Apr 19 02:55 |
| matey | also, the "low social demand for guns" doesnt seem to extend to all the freakin wars that the country finds itself in | Apr 19 02:55 |
| matey | if you want to, like mincer, get rid of the state-- SOMEONE has to be armed | Apr 19 02:55 |
| matey | if the state doesnt exist, then the people have that job. | Apr 19 02:56 |
| matey | but if the people have that job, what do you need a state for? | Apr 19 02:56 |
| matey | running the country? the people have that job too. | Apr 19 02:56 |
| MinceR | indeed | Apr 19 02:56 |
| MinceR | also, the state is doing a piss-poor job everywhere | Apr 19 02:56 |
| matey | no it does a great job of wasting shit and killing people | Apr 19 02:56 |
| XRevan86 | matey: I don't see a stateless society working just yet. | Apr 19 02:56 |
| matey | matey: I don't see a stateless society working just yet. <- its completely impossible at first | Apr 19 02:57 |
| matey | actually literally impossible | Apr 19 02:57 |
| matey | at first | Apr 19 02:57 |
| MinceR | i don't see a stateful society working either | Apr 19 02:57 |
| matey | i don't see a stateful society working either <- it never will | Apr 19 02:57 |
| matey | which is why a transition to a stateless society is the only reasonable option | Apr 19 02:57 |
| XRevan86 | I'm currently at a point when I want a basic civil society. | Apr 19 02:57 |
| matey | it all depends on how you transition | Apr 19 02:57 |
| MinceR | and you'll never have it | Apr 19 02:57 |
| MinceR | humans are incapable of it | Apr 19 02:58 |
| matey | <XRevan86> I'm currently at a point when I want a basic civil society. <- yes, thats what any sany person want | Apr 19 02:58 |
| matey | <MinceR> humans are incapable of it <- not in practice | Apr 19 02:58 |
| MinceR | sane people are rare | Apr 19 02:58 |
| matey | to be fair, when we find sane people we tend to kill them and take their shit | Apr 19 02:58 |
| matey | but they arent gone yet | Apr 19 02:58 |
| matey | they just live in very low numbers | Apr 19 02:59 |
| XRevan86 | I don't care if libertarian, I don't care if communist, I want basic civil shit. | Apr 19 02:59 |
| matey | <XRevan86> I don't care if libertarian, I don't care if communist, I want basic civil shit <- i have good news | Apr 19 02:59 |
| matey | you can definitely have basic civil shit with AT LEAST ONE of those | Apr 19 02:59 |
| matey | and by definitely i mean definitely with the level of confidence that people had about using fission to power cities. | Apr 19 03:00 |
| XRevan86 | What I mean is that politics on this level are not relevant to me. | Apr 19 03:00 |
| matey | which was not enormous. | Apr 19 03:00 |
| matey | <XRevan86> What I mean is that politics on this level are not relevant to me. <- you just want the outcome | Apr 19 03:00 |
| matey | its funny how much society works that way | Apr 19 03:01 |
| XRevan86 | I'm siding with the basic civil shit faction. | Apr 19 03:01 |
| DaemonFC | The brake pads and rotors on the Buick all appear to have been replaced about 9,000 miles ago. | Apr 19 03:01 |
| matey | "i want cake" "heres the ingredients and a kitchen" "what the is this" | Apr 19 03:01 |
| matey | the fuck | Apr 19 03:01 |
| DaemonFC | Well, at least there's that. | Apr 19 03:01 |
| DaemonFC | For something stupid easy like that you'd be crazy to go to the dealer. | Apr 19 03:01 |
| matey | <XRevan86> I'm siding with the basic civil shit faction. <- theres a good side to this of course | Apr 19 03:02 |
| DaemonFC | Any muffler shop ought to be able to do it for less. | Apr 19 03:02 |
| matey | anyone who can actually deliver, will have your support at least | Apr 19 03:02 |
| XRevan86 | matey: That they will. | Apr 19 03:02 |
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| DaemonFC | https://www.13wmaz.com/article/news/verify/money-verify/no-gas-vehicles-not-cheaper-than-electric-to-drive/536-7c3971c1-fd77-4c1f-96bd-8f3e27b39028 | Apr 19 03:50 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Electric vehicles cheaper than gas to drive | 13wmaz.com | Apr 19 03:50 | |
| DaemonFC | 'VERIFY found that it costs about 17 cents to drive one mile in an average gas-powered vehicle versus roughly 5 cents to drive one mile in an electric vehicle." | Apr 19 03:50 |
| DaemonFC | Yeah, until your $5,000 battery breaks down and needs replaced. | Apr 19 03:50 |
| DaemonFC | Some hybrids start blowing main fuses as the battery ages. | Apr 19 03:50 |
| DaemonFC | And if it's out of warranty, you have to replace that, then the battery. | Apr 19 03:51 |
| DaemonFC | Or the entire car. | Apr 19 03:51 |
| matey | how much are the fuses? | Apr 19 03:51 |
| matey | /me assumes the purpose of the fuses blowing is to prevent an explosion | Apr 19 03:52 |
| matey | yay fuses | Apr 19 03:52 |
| DaemonFC | Yeah, so Kia shoves a bigger fuse in there. | Apr 19 03:52 |
| DaemonFC | And says there's your free warranty repair. :) | Apr 19 03:52 |
| matey | of course we could compare them to light bubls, but light bulbs arent designed to prevent explosions per se | Apr 19 03:52 |
| matey | so Kia shoves a bigger fuse in there. <- dont buy kia? | Apr 19 03:53 |
| matey | though i see your point | Apr 19 03:53 |
| DaemonFC | " | Apr 19 03:54 |
| DaemonFC | Additionally, prolonged use of fast-charging stations can have a negative impact on an electric vehicle’s battery capacity. Engineers at the University of California, Riverside found that high temperatures and resistance from fast charging at commercial stations can cause cracks and leaks, the Institution of Mechanical Engineers reported in 2020. | Apr 19 03:54 |
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| matey | "Engineers at the University of California, Riverside" <- it would be california | Apr 19 04:05 |
| matey | but this makes me wonder if fast chargers shorten the life of phone batteries too | Apr 19 04:05 |
| matey | www.howtogeek.com/786516/is-fast-charging-your-smartphone-bad-for-its-battery/ Fast charging may shorten the battery's lifespan compared to using a standard charger. Most studies looking at the heat generated by fast-charging lithium-ion cells are focused on electric vehicle batteries | Apr 19 04:19 |
| matey | www.cnet.com/tech/mobile/does-fast-charging-affect-battery-life-6-phone-battery-questions-answered/ Fast charging won't damage your battery A conventional charger has an output of 5 to 10 watts. A faster charger can improve that by up to eight times. <- cnet, so it must be true | Apr 19 04:19 |
| matey | www.quora.com/Does-fast-charging-shorten-the-lifespan-of-your-phone?share=1 Answer (1 of 7): Does fast charging shorten the lifespan of your phone? Independent research says no it will not but when it comes to charging our beloved smartphones there are more myths than actual facts | Apr 19 04:19 |
| matey | get two phones and compare! | Apr 19 04:20 |
| matey | maybe for long time | Apr 19 04:20 |
| matey | and have two phone numbers, and keep switching back and forth, and make your friends think youve gone crazy | Apr 19 04:21 |
| DaemonFC | https://www.pcmag.com/news/duckduckgo-removes-piracy-related-sites-youtube-ripping-tools?utm_campaign=trueAnthem%3A+Trending+Content&utm_medium=trueAnthem&utm_source=facebook | Apr 19 04:21 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Technical Issue Affects DuckDuckGo Results for Piracy Sites, YouTube Rippers | PCMag | Apr 19 04:21 | |
| matey | microsoft: okay you can keep youtube-dl on github, for now-- ill just remove it from searches instead! | Apr 19 04:21 |
| *DaemonFC has quit (Quit: Leaving) | Apr 19 04:32 | |
| matey | http://kbd-project.org/ | Apr 19 04:53 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-kbd-project.org | KBD – Linux keyboard tools. | Apr 19 04:53 | |
| matey | The latest stable version of kbd can always be found on: | Apr 19 04:53 |
| matey | https://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/utils/kbd/ | Apr 19 04:53 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-mirrors.edge.kernel.org | Index of /pub/linux/utils/kbd/ | Apr 19 04:53 | |
| matey | https://github.com/legionus/kbd/releases | Apr 19 04:53 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Releases · legionus/kbd · GitHub | Apr 19 04:53 | |
| matey | (this is the part of "linux" that includes chvt) | Apr 19 04:53 |
| matey | there is code that does what chvt does for (free)bsd, but its written by werner koch | Apr 19 04:54 |
| matey | except for gnupg i try to avoid anything written by werner koch | Apr 19 04:54 |
| matey | i havent used chvt in more than a year, but i do like having it | Apr 19 04:56 |
| matey | the real point here, is kbd though | Apr 19 04:56 |
| matey | its part of the linux kernel (or at least, part of the kernel.org git) AND its developed partly on github | Apr 19 04:57 |
| matey | its not just a mirror | Apr 19 04:57 |
| matey | this is not the only such example, its the first one ive noted in a year though | Apr 19 04:57 |
| matey | the kernel, like gnu, is (still) drifting CLOSER to, not FARTHER from, github | Apr 19 04:58 |
| matey | at least it doesnt do this quickly, and roy of course will always say github will collapse, github will collapse | Apr 19 04:59 |
| techrights-ipfs-bot | ▕ IPFS downstream, 60 mins: ▅▅▄▃▄▅▅▆▅▂▃▁▂▅█▃▄▁▄▂▁▂▆▆▅▃▅▆▅▄▄▁▁ avg(k/sec) 23.01 ▕ IPFS upstream: ▁▃▁▁▂▂▂█▁▁▁▁▁▂▁▂█▁▁█▂▂▁▁▁▁▂▂▁▇▁ avg(k/sec) 34.93▕ swarm size (avg): 500.48 ⟲ | Apr 19 04:59 |
| matey | all the same, the kernel is not get farther from github, its getting closer to it | Apr 19 04:59 |
| matey | bug reporting says: | Apr 19 05:00 |
| matey | fron page of http://kbd-project.org/ | Apr 19 05:00 |
| matey | If you think that github is the future, then use it: https://github.com/legionus/kbd/issues | Apr 19 05:00 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Issues · legionus/kbd · GitHub | Apr 19 05:00 | |
| matey | i dont know if the intent of this phrasing is "help us promote github as the way to do this" or "stop whinging about us not relying on github in the mailing list, use it if you want" | Apr 19 05:01 |
| matey | in fairness it could be either one | Apr 19 05:01 |
| matey | either way, some of the development happens using kernel.org git, some happens via proprietary github | Apr 19 05:01 |
| matey | theyre absolutely making the kernel less free, its only a question of how much | Apr 19 05:02 |
| matey | which is still a relevant question | Apr 19 05:02 |
| matey | "The kbd project contains utilities for managing Linux console (Linux console, virtual terminals, keyboard, etc.) – mainly, what they do is loading console fonts and keyboard maps. The utilities use kernel interfaces to load the keymap." | Apr 19 05:03 |
| matey | https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/legion/kbd.git | Apr 19 05:04 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-git.kernel.org | kernel/git/legion/kbd.git - Linux keyboard tools | Apr 19 05:04 | |
| matey | from https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/legion/kbd.git: | Apr 19 05:06 |
| matey | 2022-03-21 Update github actions Alexey Gladkov 1 -3/+8 | Apr 19 05:06 |
| matey | lol | Apr 19 05:06 |
| matey | https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/legion/kbd.git/tree/.github/workflows/ci.yml | Apr 19 05:08 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-git.kernel.org | ci.yml « workflows « .github - kernel/git/legion/kbd.git - Linux keyboard tools | Apr 19 05:08 | |
| activelow | wasn't bitkeeper worse than git? | Apr 19 05:08 |
| matey | this isnt about git, its about a proprietary frontend to git | Apr 19 05:09 |
| activelow | since git itself, is free, bitkeeper wasn't at all; | Apr 19 05:09 |
| matey | my only gripe with git is that its tied (somehow) to sfc | Apr 19 05:09 |
| activelow | sure, github is utilizing git with their web-frontend | Apr 19 05:09 |
| activelow | sfc? | Apr 19 05:09 |
| matey | sure, github is utilizing git <- this isnt about git | Apr 19 05:09 |
| matey | its about github | Apr 19 05:10 |
| matey | the fact that git is better than bitkeeper has nothing to do with anything | Apr 19 05:10 |
| matey | because this isnt about git | Apr 19 05:10 |
| matey | sfc? <- kuhn, sandler etc | Apr 19 05:10 |
| matey | software freedom conservancy | Apr 19 05:11 |
| matey | or as at least one person has called it "software servancy con" | Apr 19 05:11 |
| activelow | of cause it is related, because the utility, git itself, is not coupled to github; git clone, and push elsewhere, and the proprietary concern is mostly void | Apr 19 05:11 |
| matey | because the utility, git itself, is not coupled to github <- that is EXACTLY why this isnt about git | Apr 19 05:11 |
| matey | git is not the problem im talking about | Apr 19 05:11 |
| matey | github is | Apr 19 05:12 |
| matey | the fact that git isnt the problem has no bearing on whether github is a problem | Apr 19 05:12 |
| activelow | i know, and the github problem can be solved, partially, with git-clone and git-push elsewhere; that's very liberal | Apr 19 05:12 |
| activelow | currently | Apr 19 05:12 |
| matey | the github problem can be solved, partially, with git-clone and git-push elsewhere; that's very liberal <- part of it can | Apr 19 05:12 |
| matey | if people are hosting without github, then using some other git is a solution | Apr 19 05:13 |
| activelow | and maybe, since i had to suffer from merant pvcs and perforce and subversion and cvs and and and.... that's why i am not that hysterical about git _and_ github, not yet | Apr 19 05:13 |
| matey | but it doesnt solve the fact that people are using github. | Apr 19 05:13 |
| activelow | and, free web frontends exist, to host webgit, cgit etc.; this solves the problem of github web frontend being proprietary | Apr 19 05:14 |
| matey | this solves the problem of github web frontend being proprietary <- no it doesnt | Apr 19 05:14 |
| matey | its like saying that not smoking solves the problem of smoking | Apr 19 05:14 |
| activelow | because, currently, migrating any repository elsewhere, although it isn't trivial, it is relatively easy, in comparison to what i had seen before | Apr 19 05:14 |
| matey | not smoking is good | Apr 19 05:14 |
| techrights-news | #Techrights Bulletin for Monday, April 18, 2022 http://techrights.org/txt full archive: http://techrights.org/txt-archives #gnu #linux #freesw #plaintext | Apr 19 05:14 |
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| matey | but smoking itself is still as much as problem as before | Apr 19 05:15 |
| techrights-news | #Techrights full #IPFS index updated just now http://techrights.org/ipfs available as plain text @ http://techrights.org/ipfs/txt #dweb #sharing | Apr 19 05:15 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Techrights Full IPFS Index | Apr 19 05:15 | |
| matey | if you stop smoking, its still just as bad for the people who still do. | Apr 19 05:15 |
| matey | so it does solve YOUR problem, just not THE problem | Apr 19 05:15 |
| matey | or as should be the /topic by now "theres a nuance" | Apr 19 05:15 |
| activelow | it isn't like smoking, because, some git web hosting is necessary for free software | Apr 19 05:16 |
| activelow | and i had seen far worse than git/github | Apr 19 05:16 |
| matey | in that regard, yes, its not like smoking | Apr 19 05:16 |
| activelow | git and github are an improvement, upon the situation before, doesn't mean it could become worse with github | Apr 19 05:16 |
| matey | in the fact that too many people are still killing themselves (or their projects) that way, and that there are secondhand problems, its A LOT like smoking | Apr 19 05:16 |
| matey | git and github are an improvement, upon the situation before <- god no! | Apr 19 05:17 |
| matey | before, people hosted their own, with either proprietary or free software | Apr 19 05:17 |
| MinceR | git is an improvement, github isn't | Apr 19 05:17 |
| matey | ther were free options before. bitkeeper was non-free but mostly affected the kernel | Apr 19 05:17 |
| matey | but NOW its worse, because MORE people are using non-free, not less | Apr 19 05:17 |
| activelow | in comparison to what? perforce, merant pvcs, microsoft teamforce (or however it was called)? | Apr 19 05:17 |
| matey | and HYPOTHETICALLY they have the option but THE PROBLEM IS theyre not using it! | Apr 19 05:17 |
| techrights-news | "For a cluster (in any sense of the word), you need at least 3 nodes, otherwise there is no quorum" ☛ https://raymii.org/s/tutorials/Proxmox_VE_7_Corosync_QDevice_in_Docker.html | Source: Remy Van Elst | Apr 19 05:18 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Proxmox VE 7 Corosync QDevice in a Docker container - Raymii.org | Apr 19 05:18 | |
| matey | youre making the same stupid mistake as the fsf-- conflating potentially free with free | Apr 19 05:18 |
| techrights-news | "When you typed blog.bithole.dev into your browser, it sent a request addressed towards my server at 142.93.26.121, which replied with this blogpost." ☛ https://blog.bithole.dev/dns.html | | Apr 19 05:18 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.bithole.dev | The Domain Name System (6/6) | Apr 19 05:18 | |
| activelow | matey, what would the alternative to github be? | Apr 19 05:18 |
| matey | matey, what would the alternative to github be? <- there are more alternatives than ever before | Apr 19 05:18 |
| matey | the problem is people not using them | Apr 19 05:18 |
| techrights-news | "Suppose, not hypothetically, that you have a machine that periodically has its load average briefly soar to relatively absurd levels for no obvious reason" ☛ https://utcc.utoronto.ca/~cks/space/blog/linux/LoadAverageWhereFrom | Source: uni Toronto | Apr 19 05:18 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-utcc.utoronto.ca | Chris's Wiki :: blog/linux/LoadAverageWhereFrom | Apr 19 05:18 | |
| MinceR | maybe you mean MICROS~1's TFS (which i prefer to call WTFS) | Apr 19 05:18 |
| matey | gitlab ticks the most boxes, but its hateful. so if you need it, use gitlab | Apr 19 05:19 |
| matey | but most people dont need gitlab, so use something more modest-- now there are MANY options | Apr 19 05:19 |
| techrights-news | "Recently, I took a look at Nintendo’s MMC line of mappers, and some other boards" ☛ https://nicole.express/2022/the-center-point-can-not-hold.html | | Apr 19 05:19 |
| activelow | i prefer self-hosting, although, cannot afford it | Apr 19 05:19 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-nicole.express | The games Nintendo didn't want you to play: Tengen | Apr 19 05:19 | |
| matey | gitlab is the one with the most bells and whistles | Apr 19 05:19 |
| matey | i prefer self-hosting, although, cannot afford it <- most options have a free option. exceptions include sourcehut, which has no free option. | Apr 19 05:20 |
| activelow | i prefer to keep it as simple as possible, not simpler | Apr 19 05:20 |
| matey | i dont trust gitlab with free non-self-hosting. | Apr 19 05:20 |
| matey | <activelow> i prefer to keep it as simple as possible, not simpler <- you probably want notabug or savannah then | Apr 19 05:20 |
| matey | both are free, both have git | Apr 19 05:20 |
| matey | neither require a browser to update them | Apr 19 05:21 |
| activelow | i noticed too, OpenBSD kept their CVS btw. | Apr 19 05:21 |
| matey | theres a reason | Apr 19 05:21 |
| matey | the development processes they use arent suited to git | Apr 19 05:21 |
| matey | git has features or limits that would require them to change the way they develop certain things | Apr 19 05:21 |
| activelow | git would cover almost any development process | Apr 19 05:22 |
| matey | this doesnt affect most people but theyre not the only ones who say this | Apr 19 05:22 |
| matey | the key word being almost | Apr 19 05:22 |
| activelow | i think it's the stability aspect, them keeping CVS | Apr 19 05:22 |
| matey | engineers that believe one-size-fits-all really fits all should become web developers instead | Apr 19 05:22 |
| matey | after all, its too late for web development. we still need engineering. | Apr 19 05:22 |
| matey | github is what git would look like if web developers-- actually thats not fair | Apr 19 05:23 |
| matey | its SLIGHTLY more true of gitlab. | Apr 19 05:23 |
| activelow | for a while i was hooked on jenkins, don't remind me | Apr 19 05:23 |
| matey | heh | Apr 19 05:23 |
| matey | i think it's the stability aspect <- hopefully thats a factor | Apr 19 05:23 |
| matey | but theyve actually explained this, and its their development processes, which they favour | Apr 19 05:24 |
| matey | changing those to suit gits way of doing things is a change for the sake of change, of no use to them at all | Apr 19 05:24 |
| matey | work for the sake of work | Apr 19 05:24 |
| matey | its actually less suited to their purposes than cvs | Apr 19 05:24 |
| matey | plus they dont want pull requests | Apr 19 05:25 |
| matey | at all | Apr 19 05:25 |
| matey | pull requests are bad for something like openbsd | Apr 19 05:25 |
| matey | an actual negative | Apr 19 05:25 |
| techrights-news | "On the plus side, the Tiny 2040 does break out a fourth ADC input – which is connected to an on-board temperature sensor on Pico." ☛ https://magpi.raspberrypi.com/articles/review-tiny-2040 | Source: Raspberry Pi | Apr 19 05:25 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-magpi.raspberrypi.com | REVIEW: Tiny 2040 — The MagPi magazine | Apr 19 05:25 | |
| matey | theyre probably a negative for many projects | Apr 19 05:25 |
| matey | i mean you could replicate the "simplicity" of pull requests with an irc channel | Apr 19 05:26 |
| techrights-news | "As exciting as this Pi-powered dance party is, the project serves an even greater purpose in the world of education." ☛ https://www.tomshardware.com/news/wacky-waving-inflatable-raspberry-pi-project | Source: Tom's Hardware | Apr 19 05:26 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tomshardware.com | Raspberry Pi Wacky Inflatable Tube Guys Keep Students in Line | Tom's Hardware | Apr 19 05:27 | |
| matey | so instead of using the mailing list like a civilised human being you just go to irc, start your line with REQUEST and voila | Apr 19 05:27 |
| matey | youre lowering the bar when you do that | Apr 19 05:27 |
| matey | so now you can actually have any irc bot spamming you with "irc pull requests" | Apr 19 05:27 |
| matey | and you have to deal with that, isntead of people who want to work on your os just using email | Apr 19 05:28 |
| techrights-news | quote> </li> | Apr 19 05:28 |
| activelow | i think one technical reason for CVS (besides stability), is the granularity of repositories, which is with git one CVS repo had to split into smaller project repositories | Apr 19 05:28 |
| matey | its slightly less work for contributors, times the number of useless contributions that result, adding up to more work for maintainers and often close to zero benefit | Apr 19 05:28 |
| matey | FSVO close to zero of course | Apr 19 05:28 |
| matey | is the granularity of repositories <- this is exactly why pypy doesnt use github. | Apr 19 05:29 |
| matey | and thank god | Apr 19 05:29 |
| matey | (or whatever) | Apr 19 05:29 |
| matey | but i think you still need python2 to compile pypy. | Apr 19 05:29 |
| matey | and i have no idea what their plans are about that | Apr 19 05:30 |
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| activelow | which reminds me of submodules with git, not integrated nicely with gentoo ebuilds (at least i had some problems with it) | Apr 19 05:30 |
| matey | youd think "mirror python2" since python3 cant do what they want | Apr 19 05:30 |
| techrights-news | "Though, truthfully, I highly recommend listening to the whole thing." ☛ https://lunduke.substack.com/p/richard-stallman-the-state-of-the | Source: Bryan Lunduke | Apr 19 05:30 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lunduke.substack.com | Richard Stallman - "The state of the Free Software movement" - April 13, 2022 | Apr 19 05:30 | |
| techrights-news | "I just went through an extensive job search, maybe the most strenuous of my life." ☛ https://blog.plover.com/brain/last-stop.html | Source: Mark Dominus | Apr 19 05:30 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.plover.com | The Universe of Discourse : Let's go find out! | Apr 19 05:30 | |
| matey | which reminds me of submodules with git, not integrated nicely with gentoo ebuilds (at least i had some problems with it) <- git is not really the best option for everything | Apr 19 05:31 |
| matey | neither is cvs (obviously) | Apr 19 05:31 |
| matey | if cvs were ideal i doubt so many people would be fleeing like it was on fire | Apr 19 05:31 |
| matey | but its better for some project | Apr 19 05:31 |
| matey | note that people also flee systemd like it was on fire | Apr 19 05:31 |
| matey | just not as quickly as people flee cvs | Apr 19 05:31 |
| matey | or as often | Apr 19 05:32 |
| matey | its so windy my air conditioner is heaving | Apr 19 05:32 |
| matey | "huhh, huhh, huhh" im about to tape a paper bag to it | Apr 19 05:33 |
| techrights-news | "Let's keep working on O, our peephole optimizer for cproc and QBE. Our previous posts resparked some attention over on the QBE mailing list" ☛ https://briancallahan.net/blog/20220417.html | Source: Brian Callahan | Apr 19 05:33 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-briancallahan.net | Brian Robert Callahan | Apr 19 05:33 | |
| matey | that or call an obgyn | Apr 19 05:33 |
| techrights-news | "This week, I created the candlestick below, and I think it’s an excellent case study to illustrate a few things: [...]" ☛ https://www.r-bloggers.com/2022/04/linking-r-and-python-to-retrieve-financial-data-and-plot-a-candlestick/ | Source: Rlang | Apr 19 05:33 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Linking R and Python to retrieve financial data and plot a candlestick | R-bloggers | Apr 19 05:33 | |
| matey | (acgyn?) | Apr 19 05:34 |
| techrights-news | Operating systems battle: OpenBSD vs NixO gemini://perso.pw/blog/articles/openbsd-vs-nixos.gmi | Apr 19 05:35 |
| schestowitz | [cat] gemini://nytpu.com/cheetahs/D564.jpg | Apr 19 05:35 |
| techrights-news | "Regarding gophermap, I have yet to study the ancient concept a bit more" gemini://envs.net/~pen/log/sitemap.gmi | Apr 19 05:37 |
| matey | http://www.kbd-project.org/ | Apr 19 05:37 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-kbd-project.org | KBD – Linux keyboard tools. | Apr 19 05:37 | |
| matey | kernel.org or github? you decide | Apr 19 05:37 |
| matey | mailing list or pull request? we dont judge | Apr 19 05:37 |
| matey | most of the kernel is still developed off github, for now | Apr 19 05:38 |
| matey | i should say most of the kernel git, since im pretty sure most of kbd isnt IN the kernel per se | Apr 19 05:38 |
| matey | but im not actually sure of that either | Apr 19 05:38 |
| matey | for things to get truly nasty, we need to start porting the kernel to rust | Apr 19 05:39 |
| matey | then i will actually prefer systemd to the linux kernel itself :) | Apr 19 05:39 |
| techrights-news | Razer x Lambda Tensorbook: Blade on Linux http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163670#comment-33387 | Apr 19 05:39 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Razer and Lambda Team Up to Unveil a Linux Laptop for Deep Learning | Tux Machines | Apr 19 05:39 | |
| activelow | systemd isn't the worst, it can be removed still, not too difficult; dbus is worse | Apr 19 05:40 |
| techrights-news | "As it's being ostracized and sanctioned by much of the world for its war against Ukraine, Russia is building up plans to revive its ailing local manufacturing" ☛ https://www.tomshardware.com/news/russia-semiconductor-plan-28nm | Source: Tom's Hardware | Apr 19 05:40 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tomshardware.com | Russian Government's New Semiconductor Plan: Local 28nm by 2030 | Tom's Hardware | Apr 19 05:40 | |
| matey | i dont like dbus. and i may ultimately dislike it as much as you do, but even then i bet it wont be the same reason | Apr 19 05:40 |
| matey | then again, its hard to say | Apr 19 05:41 |
| activelow | and, since you missed it, kernel version-bumped compiler requirements recently, to gcc-5.x, which _is_ a rust style compiler, written in c++; just like llvm is, serving rust-lang | Apr 19 05:41 |
| matey | "a rust style compiler" i dont know what "rust style compiler" means | Apr 19 05:41 |
| activelow | kernel 5.10 required nasty patching already, so gcc-4.7 accepts it | Apr 19 05:41 |
| activelow | a rust style compiler is, implemented in c++, to begin there | Apr 19 05:42 |
| matey | heh | Apr 19 05:42 |
| activelow | a rust style compiler is dozens of millions of lines of code, instead of 100000LoC | Apr 19 05:42 |
| matey | i dont think thats fair, even to compilers implemented in c++ | Apr 19 05:42 |
| matey | at best it seems partly fair | Apr 19 05:42 |
| matey | a rust style compiler is dozens of millions of lines of code, instead of 100000LoC <- so i would say its a "bloated" compiler, but | Apr 19 05:43 |
| matey | defining bloat is tricky. i think its actually very important. but its not easy to do. | Apr 19 05:43 |
| matey | its easier than defining pornography at least | Apr 19 05:43 |
| matey | thats hard to define | Apr 19 05:43 |
| matey | the post office doesnt even try. | Apr 19 05:44 |
| matey | they have regluations on it but they dont strictly define what it is | Apr 19 05:44 |
| matey | defining bloat is tricky, and obviously somewhat subjective, but i think it even depends on context | Apr 19 05:44 |
| matey | id compare it to "a reasonable expectation of privacy" | Apr 19 05:45 |
| matey | if you walk around in broad daylight, you have a different reasonable expectation of privacy than if you shut your curtains at home | Apr 19 05:45 |
| matey | if youre in a car, its different again | Apr 19 05:45 |
| matey | bloat is like this | Apr 19 05:45 |
| matey | but like privacy, bloat is still an important issue. being complicated doesnt change that. | Apr 19 05:46 |
| matey | if i throw around the phrase "rust style compiler" when my concerns about rust go far beyond bloat, im simply making it more difficult to understand what problems i may (or may not) have with a compiler | Apr 19 05:47 |
| activelow | well then, show me a compiler for rust-lang, which is not implemented in C++... | Apr 19 05:47 |
| matey | the bloat in gcc may be justified, sometimes, especially compared to the bloat in llvm, which seems unjustifiable | Apr 19 05:47 |
| matey | well then, show me a compiler for rust-lang, which is not implemented in C++... <- this just sloppy categorisation | Apr 19 05:48 |
| techrights-news | "This is an event open for anybody involved in the development of email clients using OpenPGP for encryption" ☛ https://wiki.gnupg.org/OpenPGPEmailSummit202205 | Source: GnuPG | Apr 19 05:48 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-wiki.gnupg.org | OpenPGPEmailSummit202205 - GnuPG wiki | Apr 19 05:48 | |
| matey | grass is green and traffic lights are green, therefore traffic lights are grass | Apr 19 05:48 |
| activelow | this is what gcc-5.x (supporting golang) and llvm (supporting rust) have in common now: bloat, c++, mandatory to compile any recent kernel | Apr 19 05:48 |
| activelow | and dozens of millions of lines of code | Apr 19 05:49 |
| matey | where we agree is that gcc should not be the only viable c compiler. there should be a much lighter one that ALSO works | Apr 19 05:49 |
| techrights-news | "Public Twitter lists under the names Labor Trolls and Lobotomised Shitheads have been discovered on ABC weekend news presenter Fauziah Ibrahim's account" ☛ https://itwire.com/government-tech-news/technology-regulation/anti-labor-public-twitter-lists-found-on-abc-presenter-s-account.html | Source: IT Wire | Apr 19 05:50 |
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| matey | if someone forked the last version of gcc that was c-only, that didnt need c++, and that became a viable project (not just part of a one-man distro) | Apr 19 05:50 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-iTWire - Anti-Labor public Twitter lists found on ABC presenter's account | Apr 19 05:50 | |
| matey | that would make me INCREDIBLY happy | Apr 19 05:50 |
| activelow | and there isn't any maintained, to compile linux kernel with | Apr 19 05:50 |
| techrights-news | "The Australian Financial Review, which claims to be one of the country's top newspapers, does not appear to know the difference between data from a poll" ☛ https://itwire.com/opinion-and-analysis-sp-481/open-sauce/afr-shows-it-does-not-know-difference-between-poll-and-focus-group.html | Source: IT Wire | Apr 19 05:50 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-iTWire - AFR shows it does not know difference between poll and focus group | Apr 19 05:50 | |
| matey | well theres a difference | Apr 19 05:50 |
| matey | you care about the future of the linux kernel, i do not give a damn about it | Apr 19 05:50 |
| activelow | and instead hope for what? | Apr 19 05:50 |
| matey | no matter what we do, linux is going to implode. im not saying it will be soon, only that no one will stop it | Apr 19 05:51 |
| matey | and instead hope for what? <- heres the funny thing! | Apr 19 05:51 |
| matey | you think gcc is bloat but linux gets a pass. | Apr 19 05:51 |
| matey | if anything, the linux kernel is worse. | Apr 19 05:51 |
| matey | by this i mean | Apr 19 05:51 |
| activelow | the harm to linux kernel was done, with the recent version bumps of required gcc, and missing support for tinycc | Apr 19 05:51 |
| matey | gcc is no where NEAR the hopeless dumping ground for code that linux is | Apr 19 05:51 |
| matey | the harm to linux kernel was done, with the recent version bumps of required gcc <- no, the harm goes FAR beyond that | Apr 19 05:52 |
| matey | i mean it may or may not start there, but thats the tip of the iceberg | Apr 19 05:52 |
| activelow | of cause, yet the gcc-4.8 c++ bump is ireversible! | Apr 19 05:52 |
| matey | the industry has the linux kernel surrounded | Apr 19 05:52 |
| matey | there are no liberators, anyone interested has already moved or is moving | Apr 19 05:53 |
| activelow | you can't just grab a gcc-4.7 (with or without c++ support), and compile a recent kernel/uboot/userspace anymore | Apr 19 05:53 |
| matey | more will move of course, but the people interested in "fixing the problem" now are moving or have moved | Apr 19 05:53 |
| matey | you can't just grab a gcc-4.7 (with or without c++ support) <- this im aware of, you make it very clear | Apr 19 05:53 |
| activelow | which is another reason, i wipe c++ dependencies, to limit the damage | Apr 19 05:53 |
| activelow | already began wiping some C11 from kernel, to keep gcc-4.7 | Apr 19 05:54 |
| matey | and id be truly thrilled if someone made a c-only fork of gcc. and it was viable in terms of supporting many projects (software that already exists) | Apr 19 05:54 |
| activelow | too necessary in preparation for tinycc | Apr 19 05:54 |
| matey | already began wiping some C11 from kernel, to keep gcc-4.7 <- youre going to end up with an outdated kernel, much more than what you have now | Apr 19 05:54 |
| matey | linux is a dumping ground | Apr 19 05:54 |
| activelow | the fork exists already, i am using this c-only profile here | Apr 19 05:54 |
| matey | other kernels are sane by comparison (many are also useless, but they arent dumping grounds for random shit) | Apr 19 05:54 |
| matey | the fork exists already <- and thats cool | Apr 19 05:55 |
| activelow | which kernels? *BSD? *BSD switched to llvm -> no, thanks. | Apr 19 05:55 |
| matey | that is a problem, yes | Apr 19 05:55 |
| activelow | any other kernel? good luck with hardware support. | Apr 19 05:55 |
| matey | linux will continue removing hardware support | Apr 19 05:55 |
| activelow | what i do, is wiping everything possible from linux kernel, compile this statically | Apr 19 05:56 |
| matey | it has changed stewards from people who care about supporting hardware, to people creating a support treadmill | Apr 19 05:56 |
| matey | in that sense too, linux is doomed | Apr 19 05:56 |
| activelow | and, the dumping ground is the shitload of hardware variants | Apr 19 05:56 |
| activelow | with requirements for firmware | Apr 19 05:56 |
| matey | firmware is also a problem, not (as far as i know) solved by any particular os | Apr 19 05:56 |
| activelow | in fact, linux kernel core components can remain relatively clean, by disabling/removing most modules and extensions | Apr 19 05:56 |
| matey | in fact the fsf is next to useless there, the free hardware people might (MIGHT) do better | Apr 19 05:57 |
| matey | time will tell | Apr 19 05:57 |
| matey | its what i hope for | Apr 19 05:57 |
| activelow | problem with linux kernel: no support for tinycc, C11 creeping into, gcc version bump to 5.x | Apr 19 05:57 |
| techrights-news | "The objections to Elon Musk buying Twitter can be distilled down to one simple thing" ☛ https://itwire.com/opinion-and-analysis-sp-481/open-sauce/murdoch,-zuckerberg,-bezos,-brin,-page-are-all-a-okay-but-musk.html | Source: IT Wire | Apr 19 05:57 |
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| matey | for starters | Apr 19 05:57 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-iTWire - Murdoch, Zuckerberg, Bezos, Brin, Page are all A-okay. But Musk??? | Apr 19 05:57 | |
| matey | there are other problems that are just as big | Apr 19 05:57 |
| matey | its been taken over by a company known for taking over its competitors for the purpose of destroying them | Apr 19 05:57 |
| activelow | GCC is THE #1 project of GNU/FSF | Apr 19 05:57 |
| matey | and its controlled by ibm | Apr 19 05:58 |
| matey | oops | Apr 19 05:58 |
| matey | though some would say its emacs. as far as i know you still need to compile emacs. | Apr 19 05:58 |
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| activelow | emacs can easily be replaced with vi or any other of the many, linux kernel cannot | Apr 19 05:59 |
| matey | the problem with adding compiler features is people use them | Apr 19 05:59 |
| matey | the problem with people using them is-- like with web development | Apr 19 05:59 |
| activelow | emacs does not require a c++ compiler, linux kernel and gcc itself do | Apr 19 05:59 |
| matey | the more impossible the standard becomes | Apr 19 05:59 |
| matey | the more you get locked into a single implementation! | Apr 19 05:59 |
| matey | the more you get locked into a single implementation, the closer we get to monopoly (any aspect of it, including corporate control) | Apr 19 05:59 |
| matey | the fsf fucked this up, royally | Apr 19 05:59 |
| matey | where is freedom 3? | Apr 19 06:00 |
| matey | its in the fucking cloud | Apr 19 06:00 |
| activelow | well then, let me rephrase, GCC being #1 trouble source, ireversibly since the 5.X series; and llvm isn't an alternative, llvm is just another sponsor of this corporate clusterf**ck | Apr 19 06:00 |
| matey | implemented in rust (actual rust, not rust style) | Apr 19 06:00 |
| matey | GCC being #1 trouble source <- gnu-coopting-corporations? | Apr 19 06:00 |
| activelow | i don't know, all i know is gcc was damaged | Apr 19 06:00 |
| matey | ahhh, gnu-corporate-clusterfuck | Apr 19 06:00 |
| matey | i was close | Apr 19 06:01 |
| activelow | and damaging the compiler, is deadly to free software | Apr 19 06:01 |
| matey | gcc was damaged <- theres a process at work there | Apr 19 06:01 |
| matey | wanna see the process? | Apr 19 06:01 |
| matey | i can show you whats killing all this stuff | Apr 19 06:01 |
| activelow | sure | Apr 19 06:01 |
| matey | http://techrights.org/wiki/Ted_MacReilly_Handbook_Revisited:_Introduction | Apr 19 06:02 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Ted MacReilly Handbook Revisited: Introduction - Techrights | Apr 19 06:02 | |
| techrights-news | "Last night marked the third time SNL has lampooned TikTok this season." ☛ https://www.theatlantic.com/culture/archive/2022/04/saturday-night-live-lizzo-tiktok/629591/ | Source: The Atlantic | Apr 19 06:02 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theatlantic.com | 'SNL' Really Wants to Say Something About TikTok - The Atlantic | Apr 19 06:02 | |
| matey | old plans, still being used | Apr 19 06:02 |
| matey | "A Handbook for Destroying the Free Software Movement" | Apr 19 06:02 |
| techrights-news | "Infowars filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection" ☛ https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/alex-jones-infowars-files-bankruptcy-protection-84143358 | Source: ABC | Apr 19 06:03 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-abcnews.go.com | EXPLAINER: What does Infowars’ bankruptcy filing mean? - ABC News | Apr 19 06:03 | |
| matey | "Above all, the key strategy is not to destroy free software completely, but to break it in enough important places[2] so that it poses less and less of a threat to your near-monopoly." | Apr 19 06:03 |
| techrights-news | "Because of the falsehoods, families of the victims have found themselves routinely accosted" ☛ https://www.nytimes.com/2022/04/18/us/alex-jones-infowars-bankruptcy.html | Source: New York Times | Apr 19 06:03 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.nytimes.com | Alex Jones’s Infowars Files for Bankruptcy - The New York Times | Apr 19 06:03 | |
| techrights-news | "conspiracy-oriented website and media company" ☛ https://text.npr.org/1093297017 | Source: NPR | Apr 19 06:04 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-text.npr.org | InfoWars files for bankruptcy in the face of lawsuits over Sandy Hook shooting denial | Apr 19 06:04 | |
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| matey | chapter 8 is probably the one that interests you the most http://techrights.org/wiki/Ted_MacReilly_Handbook_Revisited:_Chapter_8 | Apr 19 06:06 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Ted MacReilly Handbook Revisited: Chapter 8 - Techrights | Apr 19 06:06 | |
| matey | because its all about adding "overhead" (bloat) to projects so that they are only managable by a behemoth | Apr 19 06:07 |
| matey | if something is lightweight you burden it until no one BUT a corporation would want it or could do anythign with it | Apr 19 06:07 |
| matey | and THEN, its YOURS (if you are a large corporation) | Apr 19 06:07 |
| matey | of course chapter 8 focuses on the social side of that | Apr 19 06:07 |
| matey | but it applies in a technical sense as well | Apr 19 06:07 |
| matey | you add bloat until its useless to anyone but ibm/microsoft | Apr 19 06:08 |
| matey | and then they control free software. simple. | Apr 19 06:08 |
| matey | how will the rest of us manage? by submitting to ibm/microsoft of course | Apr 19 06:08 |
| matey | or google. or whoever takes their place | Apr 19 06:08 |
| matey | so it doesnt matter if github collapses, or windows loses marketshare | Apr 19 06:08 |
| matey | because the point is monopoly itself-- not WHICH monopoly | Apr 19 06:09 |
| matey | unless you have people FIGHTING monopoly (and the fsf doesnt, at all) | Apr 19 06:09 |
| matey | then all you will have is monopoly. and calling that freedom is a fools errand | Apr 19 06:09 |
| activelow | matey: i do _not_ intend to "compete" with or against microsoft | Apr 19 06:10 |
| activelow | this company, or any of their products, do not exist | Apr 19 06:10 |
| matey | so bloat isnt just a problem, its a weapon | Apr 19 06:10 |
| matey | now thats a nice thought | Apr 19 06:10 |
| matey | possibly insane, but nice | Apr 19 06:10 |
| activelow | with the only exception, of the altair basic paper tape, which seems the only product worth mentioning | Apr 19 06:10 |
| matey | so where does windows come from? or does that not exist either? | Apr 19 06:11 |
| activelow | what is windows? | Apr 19 06:11 |
| matey | oh boy | Apr 19 06:12 |
| matey | if i leave suddenly, it could be the wind blowing a tree onto the lines | Apr 19 06:12 |
| matey | or part of a tree | Apr 19 06:12 |
| matey | <activelow> what is windows? <- https://yewtu.be/watch?v=HEXWRTEbj1I | Apr 19 06:13 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-yewtu.be | Haddaway - What Is Love [Official] - Invidious | Apr 19 06:13 | |
| matey | german music! | Apr 19 06:13 |
| activelow | as soon as there is some M$ IBM Wintel anywhere close, if anything stinks as they do, i'm gone | Apr 19 06:13 |
| activelow | which has the mutual benefit, if i wanted to compete, i couldn't because it isn't possible to apply for a job anymore, without any of their shitware products | Apr 19 06:13 |
| activelow | i mean, my ASCII text-only formatted CV prints nicely on a 9pin matrix printer | Apr 19 06:14 |
| activelow | i bet, most HR offices complain it is *nix newlines and looks shitty in their editor of choice | Apr 19 06:14 |
| activelow | and their virus scanners pick up the signature.asc as malware, what a glory | Apr 19 06:15 |
| matey | i bet, most HR offices complain it is *nix newlines <- only because they dont have macs | Apr 19 06:16 |
| activelow | and the shitty mails such companies send, try to print this onto 9pin matrix with muttprint | Apr 19 06:17 |
| activelow | a 1970s teletype terminal did a better job than them | Apr 19 06:17 |
| activelow | i don't care, mac, wintel, it's the same type of rubbish | Apr 19 06:18 |
| activelow | unstable, short-lived, consumer oriented electronics waste production | Apr 19 06:18 |
| matey | 1970s teleypes were cool | Apr 19 06:18 |
| matey | too bad there isnt a reusable paper for them | Apr 19 06:18 |
| matey | and acousting shielding | Apr 19 06:19 |
| matey | acoustic | Apr 19 06:19 |
| activelow | fanfeed paper is available still, yet i only print and archive important mails | Apr 19 06:19 |
| matey | if you are accosted with sound, you are acousted | Apr 19 06:19 |
| matey | fanfeed paper is available still <- this is true, as long as jk rowling doesnt put out yet another series, causing the global paper economy (well, trees as a species) to collapse | Apr 19 06:20 |
| matey | thank god for film, which offsets this disaster a bit | Apr 19 06:20 |
| activelow | and show me any operating system, which fit onto a floppy disk, could print onto 9pin matrix, and send/receive some mail | Apr 19 06:21 |
| activelow | a typical IBM Wintel OS, how much, a DVD sized monstrosity, 4GiB compressed, it cannot do it | Apr 19 06:21 |
| matey | i mean even your os doesnt target that sort of footprint | Apr 19 06:22 |
| activelow | or a typical mac os installation? could i attach a 9pin matrix printer, open vim, and echo "holy shit" >/dev/lp0 | Apr 19 06:22 |
| matey | could i attach a 9pin matrix printer, open vim, and echo "holy shit" >/dev/lp0 <- no but you could probably pipe it to... what was the one BEFORE cups? | Apr 19 06:22 |
| activelow | CUPS printing, another such glorious innovation, this time, from apple inc. | Apr 19 06:23 |
| matey | the printer will need an adapter obviously | Apr 19 06:23 |
| matey | as the mac wont have the port | Apr 19 06:23 |
| matey | echo "holy shit" would still be supported | Apr 19 06:23 |
| matey | whichever utility predated cups might work, /dev/lp0 likely would not | Apr 19 06:23 |
| activelow | cups is awful | Apr 19 06:23 |
| matey | the original pipe symbol was actually > | Apr 19 06:24 |
| activelow | lpr-ng, i still keep it, just in case i wanted unix print spooling for /dev/lp0, i got that here | Apr 19 06:24 |
| matey | i believe im thinking of lpr | Apr 19 06:24 |
| activelow | lpr-ng was wiped from the trees everywhere too | Apr 19 06:24 |
| matey | echo "holy shit" | lpr | Apr 19 06:24 |
| matey | but to be fair, youre asking about a mac. | Apr 19 06:24 |
| activelow | no thanks. | Apr 19 06:25 |
| matey | <activelow> or a typical mac os installation? could i attach a 9pin matrix printer, open vim, and echo "holy shit" >/dev/lp0 | Apr 19 06:25 |
| matey | <activelow> no thanks. | Apr 19 06:25 |
| matey | i mean, you asked. | Apr 19 06:25 |
| matey | im not actually sure lpr works on a mac anyway | Apr 19 06:25 |
| matey | i wouldnt be surprised if it did actually | Apr 19 06:25 |
| activelow | it is probably wrapped into cups | Apr 19 06:25 |
| activelow | i wiped all cups support from baphometos | Apr 19 06:26 |
| matey | that is why | Apr 19 06:26 |
| matey | and i dont blame you for it | Apr 19 06:26 |
| activelow | /dev/lp0 doesn't require a spooler, yet even this is available with lpr-ng, easily administered, and btw. lpd does not require root-privileges, cupsd does | Apr 19 06:26 |
| activelow | another moment of clarity, what to think of it | Apr 19 06:26 |
| matey | when something requires root privs, theres often a good reason why | Apr 19 06:27 |
| activelow | so yes, i keep it as is, as it was 25 years ago, lpr-ng received the last updated 2006 iirc, and it's still good | Apr 19 06:27 |
| matey | i spent years wondering why fbdev did, until i had a moment of clarity | Apr 19 06:27 |
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| matey | i used to think "what is love" was cheesy, but now its a classic | Apr 19 06:30 |
| matey | if you watch the video, the song isnt cheesy anymore, because next to the video for it, nothing is | Apr 19 06:30 |
| *activelow doesn't watch any youtube | Apr 19 06:31 | |
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| matey | <activelow> ACTION doesn't watch any youtube <- there ought to be a medal for this | Apr 19 06:31 |
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| matey | "In exchange for software with more churn, more bloat, less choice and less user control and reliability– they get “cooler” software tools, larger sponsorships, bigger marketing and events that feature their software– everything they would enjoy if we took over their world and did things our way. And we still get royalties and the chance to steer development away from things that help our competitors more than they help us." | Apr 19 06:38 |
| matey | "The plan has never actually changed, but our way of framing it has changed entirely. We de-commoditize protocols. We add features we want and deprecate ones that people rely on, and we tell them to get with the program. We create the same kind of lock-in (in practice) by decreasing the compatibility with trusted development tools and utilities, so we can move more quickly (and drag users along) from one industry fad to another." | Apr 19 06:39 |
| matey | that is what youre complaining about. you choose to focus on tying in c++ to c, which imo is a fair point | Apr 19 06:39 |
| matey | but its an example of a very large trend with MANY examples | Apr 19 06:39 |
| matey | many of which are unfortunate | Apr 19 06:40 |
| activelow | the technical terms are: interoperability (components interacting), and compatibility (components being replaceable) | Apr 19 06:40 |
| matey | and you focus on the c/c++ to the exclusion of all the others (i do not focus only on github or systemd) | Apr 19 06:40 |
| matey | the technical terms are: interoperability (components interacting), and compatibility (components being replaceable) <- okay, but "interoperability" is a term microsoft rode straight to hell | Apr 19 06:41 |
| matey | it probably means the opposite of what it used to today | Apr 19 06:41 |
| activelow | the strategy is typically this, maximize interoperability, to approach competition, the extend upon to create an incompatibility (vendor lock-in), and finally remove interopability against competition | Apr 19 06:41 |
| matey | the strategy is typically this, maximize interoperability, to approach competition, the extend upon to create an incompatibility (vendor lock-in), and finally remove interopability against competition <- youve got it | Apr 19 06:41 |
| activelow | this is what they do, strategically, all of them, M$ IBM Wintel FB AAPL | Apr 19 06:41 |
| matey | thats exactly it | Apr 19 06:41 |
| activelow | add to this some pentagon/rand corp. related dominance strategies, semiconductor protection act 1984 | Apr 19 06:42 |
| matey | big arsehole companies who want to turn free software back into user controlling software | Apr 19 06:42 |
| matey | add to this some pentagon/rand corp. related dominance strategies, semiconductor protection act 1984 <- some or all is likely enough | Apr 19 06:42 |
| activelow | freedom, in 1984, was attacked long before FSF existed, and it is no coincidence i think, FSF focuses on "free software", which is a misnomer | Apr 19 06:43 |
| matey | long before FSF existed <- obviously, as the fsf was intended as a response to it | Apr 19 06:43 |
| matey | responses tend to come after | Apr 19 06:43 |
| activelow | on the side of interoperability, which serves to push proprietary malicious hardware controlled by "5 eyes", which is with such hardware the software freedom is less of a concern | Apr 19 06:43 |
| matey | FSF focuses on "free software", which is a misnomer <- though i dont entirely agree, im sympathetic to the reason you say it | Apr 19 06:43 |
| matey | free software to the exclusion of free hardware helps defeat free software itself | Apr 19 06:44 |
| matey | rms doesnt see that. others do. | Apr 19 06:44 |
| activelow | matey: FSF didn't respond to the semiconductor protection act 1984, they explicitely designated themselves free _software_, which is a misnomer | Apr 19 06:44 |
| matey | his "view" of free hardware is from him aiming the telescope opposite the way its intended | Apr 19 06:44 |
| matey | "youre holding it wrong" | Apr 19 06:44 |
| activelow | i do not blame rms or the fsf | Apr 19 06:45 |
| matey | i think they could justify ignoring hardware at that time | Apr 19 06:45 |
| matey | at least ignoring it as much as they did | Apr 19 06:45 |
| activelow | nonetheless, i am very sceptical about what is marketed as "free software", given the fact even this is a label which applied to what was available 25 years ago | Apr 19 06:46 |
| matey | i dont think they can justify that approach today | Apr 19 06:46 |
| activelow | what is distributed with the banner of "free software" nowadays is totally different quality, by the lines of code alone measured | Apr 19 06:46 |
| matey | i am very sceptical about what is marketed as "free software" <- you ought to be, they are oblivious to constant attacks on freedom 3 | Apr 19 06:46 |
| activelow | GCC again being a #1 trouble source, which implements hundreds of extensions for proprietary malicious hardware | Apr 19 06:46 |
| matey | despite esr handing them a book which said "here is what they will do, here is how they will do it, here is what will result" and being right about all three | Apr 19 06:47 |
| matey | which ought to, and somehow doesnt (even in my book) make him a hero. though it should. | Apr 19 06:47 |
| activelow | wake me up, when GNU announces they cut away 90% of LoC from GCC; or them supporting TinyCC and linux kernel compilation with it | Apr 19 06:47 |
| activelow | guess what? won't happen | Apr 19 06:47 |
| matey | indeed, tell me when theyre even headed in that direction! | Apr 19 06:47 |
| activelow | they rather implement another 100 compiler extensions for malicous hardware vendors (IBM Wintel) | Apr 19 06:47 |
| matey | wont happen <- rms resigned again at the second libreplanet, i dont think most people heard it (and im quite certain it wasnt deliberate) | Apr 19 06:48 |
| matey | and i know he wouldnt agree | Apr 19 06:48 |
| matey | i should say the second libreplanet this year | Apr 19 06:48 |
| techrights-news | “Julian did not commit a crime … the people who did commit the crimes which he exposed have never been charged” ☛ https://theowp.org/julian-assange-to-be-given-extradition-order-in-three-days/ | Source: OWP | Apr 19 06:48 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-theowp.org | Julian Assange To Be Given Extradition Order In Three Days – The Organization for World Peace | Apr 19 06:48 | |
| matey | there was one in march and then one in april | Apr 19 06:48 |
| techrights-news | "RONALD L Haeberle was a combat photographer with the US army whose pictures exposed the horrors of the My Lai massacre in Vietnam" ☛ https://www.newagebd.net/article/168068/a-requiem-for-fine-journalism | Source: India | Apr 19 06:48 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.newagebd.net | A requiem for fine journalism | Apr 19 06:48 | |
| techrights-news | "Since the inception of WikiLeaks, organizations devoted to civil liberties, press freedom and human rights have argued that any government infringement on WikiLeaks’ right to publish would violate the First Amendment." ☛ https://www.pressenza.com/2022/04/as-biden-pursues-julian-assange-a-major-test-of-press-freedom-looms/ | | Apr 19 06:49 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.pressenza.com | As Biden Pursues Julian Assange, a Major Test of Press Freedom Looms | Apr 19 06:49 | |
| matey | a lieplanet for lieplanet and a separate but equal lieplanet for rms | Apr 19 06:49 |
| matey | in 2011 rms became entirely dependent on gnu/linux | Apr 19 06:50 |
| matey | it was a step backwards | Apr 19 06:51 |
| matey | in 2022 he became entirely dependent on people joining the fsf | Apr 19 06:51 |
| matey | both of these were mistakes | Apr 19 06:51 |
| matey | the second one is more rhetorical than the first however | Apr 19 06:51 |
| matey | it has a valid point, but its made in a more rhetorical fashion | Apr 19 06:52 |
| activelow | i consider RMS the developer, who implemented early emacs and gcc, not any recent versions of those | Apr 19 06:52 |
| matey | he says himself he really doesnt code anymore | Apr 19 06:52 |
| matey | however, development is more than coding | Apr 19 06:52 |
| matey | leading a project can simply mean deciding what goes in and what doesnt | Apr 19 06:53 |
| activelow | roughly 15 years ago or more, and this was when "software freedom" was represented by rms and fsf with what GPL is applied to | Apr 19 06:53 |
| matey | and thats pretty important both from a technical and political standpoint | Apr 19 06:53 |
| techrights-news | "The relative success of the welfare state in Europe owes much to its trade union history." ☛ https://jacobinmag.com/2022/04/us-unions-weak-welfare-state-universal-programs-health-care/ | Source: Jacobin Magazine | Apr 19 06:53 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-jacobinmag.com | Unions Must Fight for a Universal Welfare State | Apr 19 06:53 | |
| matey | roughly 15 years ago or more <- interesting that you chose 15 | Apr 19 06:53 |
| activelow | the gcc move to c++ was year 2013, the EGCS move don't remember roughly 10 years before | Apr 19 06:53 |
| activelow | and both were _wrong_ | Apr 19 06:54 |
| matey | ive put the worst compromises at 2011 and 2014-2015 | Apr 19 06:54 |
| matey | still 2013 is RIGHT in there | Apr 19 06:54 |
| matey | if we ask enough people when the fsf started to :P | Apr 19 06:55 |
| matey | id love to see that graph. | Apr 19 06:55 |
| matey | EGCS 1.1 is based on an June 6, 1998 snapshot of the GCC 2.8 development sources; it contains all of the new features found in GCC 2.8.1 as well as all new development from GCC up to June 6 ... https://gcc.gnu.org/egcs-1.1/index.html | Apr 19 06:57 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-gcc.gnu.org | EGCS 1.1 - GNU Project | Apr 19 06:57 | |
| matey | whats bad about egcs? | Apr 19 06:57 |
| activelow | the bootstrapping precedure of GCC (implemented and documented with GUIX), ended with gcc-2.7 iirc, roughly at the same time | Apr 19 06:58 |
| activelow | *procedure | Apr 19 06:58 |
| matey | because it was no longer "c compiler" but "compiler collection" | Apr 19 06:58 |
| techrights-ipfs-bot | ▕ IPFS downstream, 60 mins: ▄▁▂▃▆▄▅▄▃▄▃▅▅▁▁▂▄▅▄▃▅▅▃▁▃▅▄▃▂▃▆▃▄▆▅▆▁ avg(k/sec) 20.18 ▕ IPFS upstream: ▁█▂▁▂▁▁▁▁▁▂▁▁▁▂▁▁▂▁▂▁▂▁██▁▂▂▃▁▁▂▁▂▂▁▁ avg(k/sec) 44.48▕ swarm size (avg): 247.73 ⟲ | Apr 19 06:59 |
| activelow | matey: egcs aggressively implemented "free software" extensions for proprietary/non-standard hardware extensions (intel MMX SIMD in this case), to boast about mostly useless performance data | Apr 19 06:59 |
| activelow | and the bootstrapping precedure of GCC (implemented and documented with GUIX), ended with gcc-2.7 iirc, roughly at the same time | Apr 19 06:59 |
| techrights-news | Microsoft Windows kills ☛ https://krebsonsecurity.com/2022/04/contis-ransomware-toll-on-the-healthcare-industry/ | Source: Krebs On Security | Apr 19 07:00 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-krebsonsecurity.com | Conti’s Ransomware Toll on the Healthcare Industry – Krebs on Security | Apr 19 07:00 | |
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| techrights-news | Updated today: "It makes me livid when people talk about climate change as if it is inevitable. It is a political choice that we are actively making." gemini://alex.flounder.online/journal.gmi | Apr 19 07:02 |
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| AltLink_c52c | [:E] > ClownFlare has trashed.....eradicate this web-cancer // well we have the term Covflare (Spread like COVID) image to describe current situation - https://archive.org/download/crimeflare/covflare.jpg | Apr 19 07:06 |
| techrights-news | Ask Soylent: What Software Do You Still Use On a Daily Basis? - SoylentNews ⚓ https://soylentnews.org/article.pl?sid=22/04/16/1827205 ䷉ Source: soylentnews | Apr 19 07:08 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-soylentnews.org | Ask Soylent: What Software Do You Still Use On a Daily Basis? - SoylentNews | Apr 19 07:08 | |
| techrights-news | "At the Chevrolet dealer to get the Buick fixed, I noticed that nobody was in there to buy a car." https://baronhk.wordpress.com/2022/04/19/at-the-chevrolet-dealer-to-get-the-buick-fixed-i-noticed-that-nobody-was-in-there-to-buy-a-car/ | Apr 19 07:10 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-baronhk.wordpress.com | At the Chevrolet dealer to get the Buick fixed, I noticed that nobody was in there to buy a car. – BaronHK's Rants | Apr 19 07:10 | |
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| schestowitz-TR | AltLink_c52c: lol! | Apr 19 07:11 |
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| techrights-news | "According to the CDC, vaccine development normally takes 5-10 years, while the COVID-19 vaccines were rolled out in one year" ☛ https://www.projectcensored.org/covid-19-vaccine-safety-and-data-integrity-concerns/ | Source: Project Censored | Apr 19 07:14 |
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| techrights-news | “silence governments, throttle supply, shift risk and maximize profits in the middle of a global public health crisis.” ☛ https://www.projectcensored.org/in-push-for-profits-pfizer-pre-empting-national-governments-powers/ | Source: Project Censored | Apr 19 07:15 |
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| matey | <activelow> matey: egcs aggressively implemented "free software" extensions for proprietary/non-standard hardware extensions (intel MMX SIMD in this case), to boast about mostly useless performance data <- /me wonders how much this had to do with changing from an older standard to a new one | Apr 19 07:32 |
| matey | or just to support changes in the linux kernel | Apr 19 07:32 |
| matey | it may not matter all that much, its still good to know where these things actually come from | Apr 19 07:33 |
| mjg59_ | How is MMX more non-standard than cmov? | Apr 19 07:34 |
| matey | G++ is also converting toward the ISO C++ standard; as a result code which was previously valid (and thus accepted by other compilers and older versions of g++) may no longer be accepted. https://gcc.gnu.org/egcs-1.1/caveats.html | Apr 19 07:34 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-gcc.gnu.org | EGCS 1.1 Caveats - GNU Project | Apr 19 07:34 | |
| mjg59_ | Intel specced MMX, AMD implemented it as part of 3DNow! | Apr 19 07:36 |
| activelow | mmx is proprietay simd | Apr 19 07:45 |
| techrights-news | "We’ve tried to make this point many times before." ☛ https://www.techdirt.com/2022/04/18/new-study-shows-section-230-protects-small-companies-much-more-than-big-ones/ | Source: Techdirt | Apr 19 07:45 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-New Study Shows Section 230 Protects Small Companies Much More Than Big Ones | Techdirt | Apr 19 07:45 | |
| techrights-news | Brutes like copyrights ☛ https://www.techdirt.com/2022/04/18/cops-are-still-playing-copyrighted-music-to-thwart-citizens-recording-their-actions/ | Source: Techdirt | Apr 19 07:45 |
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| activelow | predating EGCS the FSF was mentioned as conservative, rejecting "innovation", and kept the compiler codebase relatively clean | Apr 19 07:46 |
| mjg59_ | activelow: Proprietary in what way? | Apr 19 07:46 |
| mjg59_ | What SIMD isn't proprietary? | Apr 19 07:46 |
| activelow | mjg59_: the only verilog available from intel is i8086 | Apr 19 07:46 |
| techrights-news | "Musk Social"... are YOU still active in Twitter? TIME TO RETHINK. ☛ https://www.techdirt.com/2022/04/18/former-reddit-ceo-content-moderation-teams-dont-care-about-your-politics-they-just-want-you-to-stop-being-a-jerk/ | Source: Techdirt | Apr 19 07:46 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Former Reddit CEO: Content Moderation Teams Don’t Care About Your Politics, They Just Want You To Stop Being A Jerk | Techdirt | Apr 19 07:46 | |
| mjg59_ | activelow: So any compiler that targets 286 is targeting non-standard proprietary hardware? | Apr 19 07:47 |
| activelow | mjg59_: exactly, i am not aware of any free/open-source SIMD (not sure about RISC-V, not interested, since RISC-V requires recent c++ compilers >gcc-5 or llvm/clang) | Apr 19 07:48 |
| activelow | mjg59_: yes | Apr 19 07:48 |
| mjg59_ | Ok so it feels like talking about MMX is a red herring | Apr 19 07:48 |
| techrights-news | Twitter censorship ☛ https://www.techdirt.com/2022/04/18/fascinating-new-study-suggests-again-that-twitter-moderation-is-biased-against-misinformation-not-conservatives/ | Source: Techdirt | Apr 19 07:48 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Fascinating New Study Suggests (Again) That Twitter Moderation Is Biased Against Misinformation, Not Conservatives | Techdirt | Apr 19 07:48 | |
| activelow | it is not, because the amount of extensions blew up the free software, (dozens of millions of lines of code for GCC alone) | Apr 19 07:49 |
| matey | predating EGCS the FSF was mentioned as conservative, rejecting "innovation", and kept the compiler codebase relatively clean <- this is a good place to start | Apr 19 07:52 |
| matey | extensions shouldnt (as a rule) be replacements | Apr 19 07:52 |
| matey | they should be extensions | Apr 19 07:52 |
| matey | of course thats not possible all the time, thats a given. thats why i say as a rule-- it shouldnt be upside-down | Apr 19 07:52 |
| matey | when it goes upside-down, we see what happens | Apr 19 07:52 |
| matey | not always exactly what activelow is talking about | Apr 19 07:53 |
| matey | though he talks about it as often as anyone, just not in the terms i would | Apr 19 07:53 |
| matey | the eaxmples are (a little) weird sometimes. but not always | Apr 19 07:53 |
| activelow | it is practically _impossible_ to roll back GCC to 2.7 quality, and it is not possible to reverse gcc implentation language back to C (gcc-4.7) anymore | Apr 19 07:53 |
| matey | when languages get extended, projects start using the extensions | Apr 19 07:54 |
| matey | this isnt a neutral statement. it isnt always bad, and i think it is bad sometimes | Apr 19 07:54 |
| activelow | and the starting nowadays, is tinycc, together with support for linux kernel (x86,64, aarch32, 64, sparc, mips) | Apr 19 07:54 |
| matey | "features" arent neutral | Apr 19 07:54 |
| matey | / considered harmful | Apr 19 07:55 |
| activelow | with the nice side effect, tinycc is/was known being capable to bootstrap gcc-4.7, given the fact GUIX bootstrapping procedure for gcc quit with gcc-2.7 already (at the time egcs took the lead) | Apr 19 07:55 |
| matey | consider a diet made entirely of sugar, and the alternative is sanity, maybe not a sugar-free diet | Apr 19 07:56 |
| matey | sanity is a good goal. ive NEVER seen a project that was "pure" but i have (rarely, but just the same) seen a sane one | Apr 19 07:56 |
| techrights-news | 2020 election used proprietary software in voting machines. Voting confidence won't be improved until this gets eradicated completely. ☛ https://truthout.org/articles/efforts-to-build-trust-in-elections-face-thriving-2020-election-denier-community/ | Source: TruthOut | Apr 19 07:56 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-truthout.org | Efforts to Build Trust in Elections Face Thriving 2020 Election Denier Community | Apr 19 07:56 | |
| matey | of course we cant say sanity anymore, it might make someone crazy | Apr 19 07:56 |
| matey | but sanity is still a good design goal | Apr 19 07:57 |
| matey | whatever we choose to call it | Apr 19 07:57 |
| matey | corporations spread addiction as a business model | Apr 19 07:57 |
| matey | i dont want prohibtion, i want sobriety to remain an option in tech | Apr 19 07:57 |
| matey | but corporations are at odds with this | Apr 19 07:58 |
| matey | constantly shoving new vices in everyones face | Apr 19 07:58 |
| matey | but theyre just features | Apr 19 07:58 |
| techrights-ipfs-bot | ▕ IPFS downstream, 60 mins: ▅▇▃▂▄▅▆▆▅▆▄▄▅▆▄▃▃▃▅▃▆▆▅▅▁▁▅▁▆▇▁▃▃▁ avg(k/sec) 17.71 ▕ IPFS upstream: █▁▁█▁▂▁▂▂▁▂▂▂▁▁▁▁▁▁▂▂▁▂▂██▁▂▁▂█▁▁▁ avg(k/sec) 63.61▕ swarm size (avg): 283.38 ⟲ | Apr 19 07:59 |
| matey | drunkenness is a feature, passing out and waking up in a puddle of vomit is a feature | Apr 19 07:59 |
| *activelow smokes another one | Apr 19 07:59 | |
| matey | you should have the option of getting drunk, but its the other option that makes it an option | Apr 19 07:59 |
| matey | <activelow> ACTION smokes another one <- thats a feature | Apr 19 08:00 |
| matey | if i get a bottle of vodka, fortunately i get to say how much i drink too | Apr 19 08:01 |
| matey | so i drink less than it takes to make me sick | Apr 19 08:01 |
| matey | if microsoft sold vodka my choices would be dehydration and waking up not knowing where i was | Apr 19 08:01 |
| matey | "im just thirsty" | Apr 19 08:02 |
| matey | "no problem, have some vodka" | Apr 19 08:02 |
| matey | if apple sold vodka it wouldnt be vodka, it would be patron | Apr 19 08:02 |
| matey | not gold or silver obviously-- they would have a new one: chrome | Apr 19 08:03 |
| matey | it tastes exactly like platinum patron but it smells faintly of starbucks | Apr 19 08:04 |
| matey | if microsoft sold vodka my choices would be dehydration and waking up not knowing where i was <- they would buy all the water companies from nestle | Apr 19 08:05 |
| matey | ban water collection (like they did in bolivia) | Apr 19 08:05 |
| matey | then kill all brands of water | Apr 19 08:05 |
| matey | of course a lot of people would die as a result | Apr 19 08:05 |
| matey | but its not like microsofts business model doesnt kill people already | Apr 19 08:06 |
| matey | https://yewtu.be/watch?v=0oMEuyhBkRo | Apr 19 08:06 |
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| matey | we are getting more features soon | Apr 19 08:14 |
| matey | im looking around at the few things i own and realising most of them dont have bluetooth or Ng or wifi | Apr 19 08:15 |
| matey | they dont even have touchscreens | Apr 19 08:15 |
| matey | ive got a fan sitting on the floor, its a dumbfan, its got a manual-only switch on it | Apr 19 08:15 |
| matey | im hoping to upgrade it, give it a big battery so its wireless, add a mobile plan, touchscreen controls, run linux on it | Apr 19 08:16 |
| matey | why am i using just a plan old fan? its 2022! | Apr 19 08:16 |
| matey | ive got doors in the place that dont even have electronics in them | Apr 19 08:17 |
| matey | theyre just wood (sort of) and brass ffs | Apr 19 08:17 |
| matey | wtf | Apr 19 08:17 |
| matey | i dont use that much electricty, im sure i could have a wireless refrigerator | Apr 19 08:18 |
| matey | im using an old corded one-- its not like they dont have batteries for this sort of thing | Apr 19 08:19 |
| matey | just plug it in when it gets to 20% or better yet, move it onto a spot on the floor that can charge it wirelessly | Apr 19 08:19 |
| matey | we need to live like the cybermen | Apr 19 08:20 |
| matey | You Will Be Upgraded Or You Will Be Deleted | Apr 19 08:20 |
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| matey | https://yewtu.be/watch?v=66xDgFJyDBk everybodys happy, everybodys free | Apr 19 08:22 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-yewtu.be | Typical Situation - Invidious | Apr 19 08:22 | |
| matey | happiness is mandatory, freedom is also mandatory | Apr 19 08:22 |
| matey | you will be free so theres no need to question it | Apr 19 08:24 |
| matey | questioning whats already free makes it non-free | Apr 19 08:24 |
| techrights-news | "police force arrested the alleged mastermind" [sic] but still no banksters? ☛ https://torrentfreak.com/freelance-torrent-site-admins-life-still-in-turmoil-5-years-after-arrest-220418/ | Source: Torrent Freak | Apr 19 08:29 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Freelance Torrent Site Admin's Life Still in Turmoil, 5 Years After Arrest * TorrentFreak | Apr 19 08:29 | |
| techrights-news | CPUC ☛ https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2022/04/california-may-require-low-cost-broadband-subsidized-networks | Source: EFF | Apr 19 08:29 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.eff.org | California May Require Low-Cost Broadband from Subsidized Networks | Electronic Frontier Foundation | Apr 19 08:29 | |
| techrights-news | Cox ☛ https://www.techdirt.com/2022/04/18/cox-cable-customers-bond-together-to-fight-bullshit-fees/ | Source: Techdirt | Apr 19 08:33 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Cox Cable Customers Bond Together To Fight Bullshit Fees | Techdirt | Apr 19 08:33 | |
| techrights-news | Just avoid these devices. You do not need them anyway. ☛ https://www.privateinternetaccess.com/blog/interview-with-marco-demello-psafe/ | Source: PIA | Apr 19 08:34 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.privateinternetaccess.com | Interview With Marco DeMello – PSafe | Apr 19 08:34 | |
| techrights-news | Chinese Republic of Macron ☛ https://www.techdirt.com/2022/04/18/french-president-again-calls-for-an-end-to-online-anonymity/ | Source: Techdirt | Apr 19 08:35 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-French President (Again) Calls For An End To Online Anonymity | Techdirt | Apr 19 08:35 | |
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| techrights-news | How patents kill us ☛ https://www.commondreams.org/views/2022/04/18/corruption-drug-patents-take-away-money | Source: Common Dreams "corruption of the patent system in recent decades" | Apr 19 08:51 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.commondreams.org | Opinion | Corruption in Drug Patents: Take Away the Money | Dean Baker | Apr 19 08:51 | |
| techrights-news | You do not need MOAR money, you need to CANCEL THE PATENTS ☛ https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/04/18/biden-urged-fight-hell-global-covid-funds-new-summit-announced | Source: Common Dreams | Apr 19 08:54 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.commondreams.org | Biden Urged to 'Fight Like Hell' for Global Covid Funds as New Summit Announced | Apr 19 08:54 | |
| matey | [C[Chttps://validator.w3.org/ still works, its just blocked by clownflare | Apr 19 08:54 |
| matey | here is the page i got there from https://gcc.gnu.org/egcs-1.1/caveats.html | Apr 19 08:55 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-gcc.gnu.org | EGCS 1.1 Caveats - GNU Project | Apr 19 08:55 | |
| matey | so im pretty sure gcc.gnu.org is recommending people run non-free js now | Apr 19 08:56 |
| techrights-news | Linux Mint Releases LMDE Upgrade Tool for Beta Testing http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163850#comment-33388 | Apr 19 08:56 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Beta of LMDE Upgrade Tool | Tux Machines | Apr 19 08:56 | |
| matey | though they also recommend a browser that blocks non-free js | Apr 19 08:56 |
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| techrights-news | Well, mobile phones and "Freedom" are paradoxical ☛ https://fossforce.com/2022/04/is-freedom-phone-the-trump-university-of-mobile-devices/ | Source: Unicorn Media | Apr 19 08:56 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-fossforce.com | Is Freedom Phone the Trump University of Mobile Devices? - FOSS Force | Apr 19 08:56 | |
| matey | https://gcc.gnu.org/onlinedocs/gcc/Contributors.html "Tim Josling for the sample language treelang based originally on Richard Kenner’s “toy” language." | Apr 19 08:58 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-gcc.gnu.org | Contributors (Using the GNU Compiler Collection (GCC)) | Apr 19 08:58 | |
| techrights-ipfs-bot | ▕ IPFS downstream, 60 mins: ▄▄▁▁▂▃▅▆▄▃▄▂▆▁▅▁▂▅▂▃▂▁▂▁▄▆▂▃▄▂▅▆▃▁▂▂▅▁ avg(k/sec) 15.93 ▕ IPFS upstream: ▁▂█▁▁▁▂▂▂▁█▂█▁▁▁▂█▁▁▁▁▁▂▁▁▂▂▁▁▁▂▁ avg(k/sec) 103.55▕ swarm size (avg): 241.63 ⟲ | Apr 19 08:59 |
| techrights-news | IRC Proceedings: Monday, April 18, 2022 | Techrights ⚓ http://techrights.org/2022/04/19/irc-log-180422/ | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/04/19/irc-log-180422/ | Apr 19 08:59 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IRC Proceedings: Monday, April 18, 2022 | Techrights | Apr 19 08:59 | |
| matey | oh now this is rich! | Apr 19 09:00 |
| matey | It was developed by Tim Josling, based on a language called Toy created by Richard Kenner. During the GCC 4.3 release cycle, a patch was committed to remove the language, because of high maintenance costs outweighing its benefits and also because it was no longer considered a good front-end example by GCC developers. | Apr 19 09:00 |
| matey | a patch was committed to remove the language, because of high maintenance costs outweighing its benefits | Apr 19 09:00 |
| matey | BUT SYSTEMD IS FINE! | Apr 19 09:00 |
| matey | what "high maintenance costs" | Apr 19 09:00 |
| matey | fancy that gcc removed it before deletopedia did https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treelang | Apr 19 09:01 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Treelang - Wikipedia | Apr 19 09:01 | |
| matey | "Treelang is a sample language, useful only to help people understand how to implement a new language front end to GCC. It is not a useful language in itself other than as an example or basis for building a new language. Therefore only language developers are likely to have an interest in it." | Apr 19 09:02 |
| techrights-news | On retrocomputers ☛ https://hackaday.com/2022/04/18/the-epic-journey-of-repairing-an-hp-9830a-desktop-computer-from-the-1970s/ | Source: Hackaday | Apr 19 09:03 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-The Epic Journey Of Repairing An HP 9830A Desktop Computer From The 1970s | Hackaday | Apr 19 09:03 | |
| techrights-news | "Robotic pets are sci-fi material" ☛ https://hackaday.com/2022/04/18/build-your-own-cat-some-assembly-required/ | Source: Hackaday | Apr 19 09:04 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Build Your Own Cat – Some Assembly Required | Hackaday | Apr 19 09:04 | |
| SomeH4x0r | no, fuck the future | Apr 19 09:05 |
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| SomeH4x0r | it is not "happier". It brings me into further depression and I become suicidal. | Apr 19 09:06 |
| techrights-news | Boycott Starbucks ☛ https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/04/18/starbucks-workers-urge-congress-grill-ceo-howard-schultz-union-busting | Source: Common Dreams | Apr 19 09:07 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.commondreams.org | Starbucks Workers Urge Congress to Grill CEO Howard Schultz on Union-Busting | Apr 19 09:07 | |
| SomeH4x0r | I don't really understand the purpose of a cat. It walks around one's home doing stuff necessary for its existence, such as eating food or sleeping. | Apr 19 09:09 |
| SomeH4x0r | a robotic cat doesn't have this stuff. The only thing the owner should be worried about is to keep its battery charged. | Apr 19 09:10 |
| matey | I don't really understand the purpose of a cat. <- it lowers blood pressure and assists immune function | Apr 19 09:11 |
| techrights-news | "We demand a liveable future" ☛ https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/04/18/no-wars-no-warming-extinction-rebellion-marches-nyc | Source: Common Dreams | Apr 19 09:11 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.commondreams.org | 'No Wars, No Warming': Extinction Rebellion Marches on NYC | Apr 19 09:11 | |
| matey | also if gives you exercise when you change the box and carry around litter | Apr 19 09:11 |
| matey | you have not examined a cat closely enough, therefore you are unfamiliar with its function | Apr 19 09:11 |
| schestowitz-TR | [09:06] <SomeH4x0r> it is not "happier". It brings me into further depression and I become suicidal. | Apr 19 09:13 |
| schestowitz-TR | Join good causes | Apr 19 09:13 |
| matey | https://fs.blog/chestertons-fence/ In its most concise version, Chesterton's Fence states the following: Do not remove a fence until you know why it was put up in the first place. Chesterton went on to explain why this principle holds true, writing that fences don't grow out of the ground, nor do people build them in their sleep or during a fit of madness. | Apr 19 09:13 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-fs.blog | Chesterton’s Fence: A Lesson in Second Order Thinking - Farnam Street | Apr 19 09:13 | |
| schestowitz-TR | to change or ameliorate the future | Apr 19 09:13 |
| schestowitz-TR | the sadists rely on obedient sons00mer | Apr 19 09:13 |
| matey | chestertons fence gives people too much credit, and is otherwise a reasonable maxim | Apr 19 09:14 |
| techrights-news | "It is time to reignite the radical history of community utilities" ☛ https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/04/18/report-details-how-community-utilities-can-usher-green-energy-transition | Source: Common Dreams | Apr 19 09:15 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.commondreams.org | Report Details How Community Utilities Can Usher In Green Energy Transition | Apr 19 09:15 | |
| matey | Melvin Edward Conway is a computer scientist, computer programmer, and hacker who coined what is now known as Conway's law: "Organizations, who design systems, are constrained to produce designs which are copies of the communication structures of these organizations." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Melvin_Conway | Apr 19 09:15 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Melvin Conway - Wikipedia | Apr 19 09:15 | |
| matey | https://libreplanet.org/wiki/LibrePlanet:Participate "Add this box to your profile page to indicate you support these documents and agree to work in accordance with LibrePlanet's Mission Statement and Code of Conduct." | Apr 19 09:16 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-libreplanet.org | LibrePlanet:Participate - LibrePlanet | Apr 19 09:16 | |
| matey | we are fucked | Apr 19 09:16 |
| techrights-news | "Movie Prop Electronics Hack Chat" ☛ https://hackaday.com/2022/04/18/movie-prop-electronics-hack-chat/ | Source: Hackaday | Apr 19 09:16 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Movie Prop Electronics Hack Chat | Hackaday | Apr 19 09:16 | |
| matey | conways law makes codes of conduct a lot more menacing | Apr 19 09:18 |
| techrights-news | "While it’s true that Hackaday scribes and their families are sadly unable to compete in our contests, Hackaday alum are more than welcome to throw their hat in the ring." ☛ https://hackaday.com/2022/04/18/2022-sci-fi-contest-schrodingers-trigger-is-trained-on-electrons-not-cats/ | Source: Hackaday | Apr 19 09:18 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-2022 Sci-Fi Contest: Schrödinger’s Trigger Is Trained On Electrons, Not Cats | Hackaday | Apr 19 09:18 | |
| matey | as if they werent enough already | Apr 19 09:18 |
| schestowitz-TR | CoC Rule #1: | Apr 19 09:18 |
| schestowitz-TR | you cannot question the CoC | Apr 19 09:18 |
| schestowitz-TR | OED | Apr 19 09:18 |
| schestowitz-TR | CoCCCers 2017: don't worry, we are protecting minorities | Apr 19 09:19 |
| schestowitz-TR | CoCCCers 2021: we need tro protect LF STAFF... from "unprofessional" words | Apr 19 09:19 |
| matey | CoCCCers 2022: April LibrePlanet is separate but equal | Apr 19 09:19 |
| schestowitz-TR | did you see the #fsf channel during rms talk? | Apr 19 09:20 |
| schestowitz-TR | it was not pleasant | Apr 19 09:20 |
| schestowitz-TR | people flooding the channel with things like "n**** n**** n**** n****n****n****n****n****n****" | Apr 19 09:20 |
| schestowitz-TR | multi line | Apr 19 09:20 |
| schestowitz-TR | it was not n**** | Apr 19 09:20 |
| schestowitz-TR | and it was all CAPS | Apr 19 09:20 |
| schestowitz-TR | so it turned out Libera Chat having a CoC they're so proud of did not prevent vandalism | Apr 19 09:21 |
| schestowitz-TR | who would have THUNK DAT! | Apr 19 09:21 |
| techrights-news | BillBC ☛ https://hackaday.com/2022/04/18/honey-did-you-feed-the-lamp-company-wants-to-create-living-light-bulbs/ | Source: Hackaday | Apr 19 09:22 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Honey, Did You Feed The Lamp? Company Wants To Create Living Light Bulbs | Hackaday | Apr 19 09:22 | |
| matey | <schestowitz-TR> so it turned out Libera Chat having a CoC they're so proud of did not prevent vandalism <- nor did all-rights-reserved and license notices on his personal website prevent anything from being taken out of context | Apr 19 09:24 |
| matey | licenses do not protect context | Apr 19 09:24 |
| matey | anymore than drm protects sales | Apr 19 09:24 |
| matey | licenses work better on the whole than on snippets | Apr 19 09:28 |
| matey | no license really affects snippets, and yet its invariably snippets that are used to take things out of context | Apr 19 09:28 |
| matey | the more of a work you include, the more context you include, and the more you need a license to create a derivative work | Apr 19 09:29 |
| schestowitz-TR | matey: yes, you've hit the nail on the head | Apr 19 09:29 |
| schestowitz-TR | basically | Apr 19 09:29 |
| schestowitz-TR | some words on paper | Apr 19 09:29 |
| schestowitz-TR | do not beget behaviour | Apr 19 09:29 |
| matey | i can create an entirely new work, slap stallmans name on it, and licenses dont enter into it | Apr 19 09:30 |
| schestowitz-TR | not do laws you can barely enforce | Apr 19 09:30 |
| matey | of course its fraud-- but its not a license violation | Apr 19 09:30 |
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| schestowitz-TR | "who yoooou gonna sue, PUNK?" | Apr 19 09:30 |
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| matey | <schestowitz-TR> some words on paper <schestowitz-TR> do not beget behaviour <- this is actually an overly broad interpretation of what i was saying | Apr 19 09:30 |
| schestowitz-TR | no, no | Apr 19 09:31 |
| matey | what i was saying was that context is outside the scope of what a license is capable of doing | Apr 19 09:31 |
| schestowitz-TR | this is not you | Apr 19 09:31 |
| schestowitz-TR | that's me | Apr 19 09:31 |
| matey | okay | Apr 19 09:31 |
| schestowitz-TR | words on paper = lawyers, MBA, politician | Apr 19 09:31 |
| schestowitz-TR | technicians don't think like this | Apr 19 09:31 |
| schestowitz-TR | they make solutions | Apr 19 09:31 |
| matey | there actually are some things that can help though | Apr 19 09:31 |
| matey | lawyers believe it or not, also make solutions | Apr 19 09:31 |
| matey | its just a question of what youre trying to solve | Apr 19 09:31 |
| matey | and the right tool for the job | Apr 19 09:32 |
| techrights-news | Ubuntu 22.04 LTS Vs Ubuntu 20.04 LTS: What’s Changing? • Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163879 | Apr 19 09:32 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Ubuntu 22.04 LTS Vs Ubuntu 20.04 LTS: What's Changing? | Tux Machines | Apr 19 09:32 | |
| matey | lawyers enjoy creaeting tools that do weird things | Apr 19 09:32 |
| schestowitz-TR | OK, I need to think of an example here. Sill thinking... | Apr 19 09:32 |
| schestowitz-TR | Take speech restrictions | Apr 19 09:33 |
| matey | mmhmm | Apr 19 09:33 |
| schestowitz-TR | A lawyer can issue papers to threaten some bad outcome | Apr 19 09:33 |
| matey | that would never happen | Apr 19 09:33 |
| matey | /me is being funny | Apr 19 09:33 |
| schestowitz-TR | shadowbans are a bad technical counterargument | Apr 19 09:33 |
| mjg59_ | What's the technical solution for preventing transphobia? | Apr 19 09:34 |
| matey | What's the technical solution for preventing transphobia? <- make everybody trans | Apr 19 09:34 |
| schestowitz-TR | Debian and ICBM tried a lot to silence some Fedora and Debian volunteer | Apr 19 09:34 |
| matey | i didnt say it was ethical, just that it would technically work | Apr 19 09:34 |
| mjg59_ | schestowitz-TR: That's a gross mischaracterisation of the Pocock situation | Apr 19 09:34 |
| schestowitz-TR | But for both ICBM and Debian it mostly backfires | Apr 19 09:34 |
| matey | also it wouldnt be 100% effective because yknow, self-hate etc | Apr 19 09:35 |
| schestowitz-TR | and results in further escalations in tone | Apr 19 09:35 |
| schestowitz-TR | and in style | Apr 19 09:35 |
| schestowitz-TR | to the point where the style repels me | Apr 19 09:35 |
| schestowitz-TR | but in the process is damages the brands | Apr 19 09:35 |
| mjg59_ | matey: Right, thinking about these problems purely from the perspective of a technologist doesn't work - social problems frequently require social solutions | Apr 19 09:35 |
| schestowitz-TR | both Debian's and ICBM's | Apr 19 09:35 |
| matey | thinking about these problems purely from the perspective of a technologist doesn't work <- we are on the same page with that | Apr 19 09:35 |
| schestowitz-TR | if they were smart about this, they would seek a resolution years ago | Apr 19 09:35 |
| schestowitz-TR | but they were run by total moroms | Apr 19 09:36 |
| schestowitz-TR | and then some more morons | Apr 19 09:36 |
| schestowitz-TR | looking tro blindly defend prior morons | Apr 19 09:36 |
| schestowitz-TR | so we can morontocracy | Apr 19 09:36 |
| matey | "prior morons" sounds like the sort of term youd come up with after reading too many epo discussions | Apr 19 09:36 |
| matey | "whats your justification for such a remark" | Apr 19 09:36 |
| matey | "im sorry about that, there are prior morons" | Apr 19 09:36 |
| schestowitz-TR | matey: yes, EPO always | Apr 19 09:37 |
| schestowitz-TR | corrupt officials only leave other corrupt officials in charg | Apr 19 09:37 |
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| schestowitz-TR | otherwise people might be held accountable | Apr 19 09:37 |
| matey | broken window legal theory | Apr 19 09:37 |
| mjg59_ | CoCs are not intended to directly solve social problems, they're intended to provide a framework where a subset of social problems can be handled in a defined way rather than nobody knowing how to respond | Apr 19 09:37 |
| schestowitz-TR | you could call it that | Apr 19 09:37 |
| schestowitz-TR | but all in all this results in kakistocracy | Apr 19 09:37 |
| schestowitz-TR | and dooms the org/company | Apr 19 09:37 |
| matey | CoCs are not intended to directly solve social problems, they're intended to provide a framework where a subset of social problems can be handled in a defined way rather than nobody knowing how to respond <- we can however, use technological thinking to illustration some SPECTACULAR failures in how well this works | Apr 19 09:38 |
| schestowitz-TR | like companies hiring CFOs to cover up the morbid state | Apr 19 09:38 |
| schestowitz-TR | and thus doing nothing to prevent or reverse the demise | Apr 19 09:38 |
| matey | even if there are problems that technological thinking doesnt solve well | Apr 19 09:38 |
| schestowitz-TR | just kicking the can further down the road | Apr 19 09:38 |
| schestowitz-TR | CoCs have destroyed projects | Apr 19 09:38 |
| schestowitz-TR | because people misused them | Apr 19 09:39 |
| schestowitz-TR | they gave too much power to reckless people | Apr 19 09:39 |
| matey | the "we have a problem" "heres a solution" "okay its fixed lets ignore any problems with the solution" approach applies to technology and social issues | Apr 19 09:39 |
| schestowitz-TR | who never had power | Apr 19 09:39 |
| matey | but with social issues it really finds its niche | Apr 19 09:39 |
| schestowitz-TR | and didn't know how to handle power | Apr 19 09:39 |
| mjg59_ | Projects that didn't have CoCs have died because nobody was willing to work with them | Apr 19 09:39 |
| schestowitz-TR | and went about hitting the hammer on anything they found mildly inconvenient | Apr 19 09:39 |
| schestowitz-TR | not foreseeing what this can entail | Apr 19 09:39 |
| schestowitz-TR | LF is like this now | Apr 19 09:39 |
| schestowitz-TR | and people are seeing that | Apr 19 09:39 |
| schestowitz-TR | LF is , at thig point,a leech sucking up to corporations | Apr 19 09:40 |
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| matey | "Projects that didn't have CoCs have died because nobody was willing to work with them" <- this sounds suspiciously 1. untrue and 2. like another fallacious argument that open source makes about projects and their viability | Apr 19 09:40 |
| schestowitz-TR | and the corporations will toss it out the moment LF is no longer "useful" to them | Apr 19 09:40 |
| matey | when i say "like another fallacious argument" this is an understatement | Apr 19 09:40 |
| matey | projects die for ALL SORTS of reasons. sometimes they are killed. | Apr 19 09:40 |
| matey | in other words, foul play DOES exist | Apr 19 09:41 |
| schestowitz-TR | self-fulfilling prophecy | Apr 19 09:41 |
| schestowitz-TR | let's set up a social control media mob | Apr 19 09:41 |
| schestowitz-TR | attack p-eople who don't agree with us | Apr 19 09:41 |
| matey | more like kill projects and then blame your opponents. | Apr 19 09:41 |
| schestowitz-TR | and then it's "proof" | Apr 19 09:41 |
| matey | although i wouldnt imagine this explains everything | Apr 19 09:42 |
| matey | there probably are loads of projects that only attract social justice warrior types in the first place | Apr 19 09:42 |
| matey | those im sure, would die without a coc. | Apr 19 09:42 |
| matey | but you could just as easily s/coc/github/ and say projects die without that too | Apr 19 09:42 |
| matey | and thats why github has taken over | Apr 19 09:43 |
| matey | and it would be, for some value of-- utter bullshit. | Apr 19 09:43 |
| matey | its network effects, posing as necessity | Apr 19 09:43 |
| matey | by the same argument, we need facebook. | Apr 19 09:43 |
| matey | and various other crap that does more harm than good. | Apr 19 09:43 |
| matey | at the core is survivorship bias-- but its more sinister than that | Apr 19 09:44 |
| matey | its marketing. | Apr 19 09:44 |
| matey | x died because they refused to use alternatives to android | Apr 19 09:45 |
| matey | thats why we need facial recognition. | Apr 19 09:45 |
| matey | the problem with cocs isnt what they try to accomplish | Apr 19 09:46 |
| matey | its the side effects | Apr 19 09:46 |
| matey | like im not against curing hiv, but if the cure makes your fucking head fall off, its not very useful | Apr 19 09:46 |
| matey | also im vaxxed, so | Apr 19 09:47 |
| matey | just wanted to point that out | Apr 19 09:47 |
| matey | im not particularly thrilled that im a medical experiment, though im not dead, so theres that | Apr 19 09:47 |
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| matey | <matey> the problem with cocs isnt what they try to accomplish <- actually this is half true | Apr 19 09:51 |
| matey | theyre really just fucking horribly designed, and ride their good intentions all the way to hell | Apr 19 09:51 |
| matey | theres 100 years of debate that would warn a more reasonable person against such a scheme, without ever having an iota of anything against the (higher) goals | Apr 19 09:52 |
| matey | because it would be hijacked and used against people who are JUST AS GOOD as the people they aim to help | Apr 19 09:53 |
| matey | but cocs arent written in a way that allows diversity | Apr 19 09:53 |
| matey | theyre written in a way that makes diversity a crime, and conformity a virtue | Apr 19 09:53 |
| matey | and in practice provide a wedge that MUST be used wherever it fits | Apr 19 09:54 |
| matey | the wording right on the thing says otherwise. and yet, here is practice to show how much that means in the real world | Apr 19 09:54 |
| matey | how do things turn into their exact opposite? poor planning, poor design, poor followup | Apr 19 09:55 |
| matey | the perfect storm for convenient bullshit | Apr 19 09:55 |
| matey | throw in a poor understanding of history, as these things are comprised mostly of lessons that could have been learned by now | Apr 19 09:55 |
| matey | but like technologists, people get this idea that an idea is new because they havent been around long enough | Apr 19 09:56 |
| matey | "its the same idea, its the same idea"-- eddie izzard (who now claims to be trans, which is fine with me) | Apr 19 09:56 |
| matey | i believe he uses the same pronouns and hes not the most common sort of trans person, but ive always liked him and hoped to speak of him in a way that would make him happy | Apr 19 09:57 |
| matey | hes spent his career making fun of a LOT of stupid ideas. like wwii. | Apr 19 09:57 |
| matey | but of course it was a good idea! we had to go do wwii because of hitler | Apr 19 09:58 |
| matey | wrong | Apr 19 09:58 |
| matey | wwii was a bandage over a very long series of FUCKING AWFUL ideas | Apr 19 09:58 |
| matey | like supporting hitler in the first place | Apr 19 09:58 |
| matey | its about as good an idea as stabbing yourself in the arm repeatedly and then tying a tourniqet around it | Apr 19 09:59 |
| matey | try not stabbing yourself over and over in the arm if you get the chance | Apr 19 09:59 |
| matey | once you have of course, youll need to take measures | Apr 19 10:00 |
| matey | wwii was one of the dumbest things humanity ever did | Apr 19 10:00 |
| matey | why? because we could have avoided it. | Apr 19 10:00 |
| matey | think about the number of times we had to fuck up royally just to end up in a situation where wwii was a reasonable response | Apr 19 10:01 |
| matey | and im not just saying hindsight is 2020 | Apr 19 10:02 |
| matey | im saying not being the worlds dumbest species isnt that hard | Apr 19 10:02 |
| matey | just stop doing the dumbest shit possible, thats a good start | Apr 19 10:02 |
| matey | might have been enough to avoid wwii actually | Apr 19 10:02 |
| matey | companies like microsoft do well because society likes to do the dumbest shit it can over and over and then say: | Apr 19 10:04 |
| matey | "oh shit, NOW what do we do?" | Apr 19 10:04 |
| matey | well, do a bunch of really stupid things, someone will come up with a bunch of really dumb solutions | Apr 19 10:05 |
| matey | nice little feedback loop | Apr 19 10:05 |
| matey | the security on my fan is pretty good by the way | Apr 19 10:06 |
| matey | no wifi, no mobile network, no li-ion batteries | Apr 19 10:06 |
| matey | add a bunch of dumb shit to it, and now we have more problems to solve | Apr 19 10:06 |
| matey | that will take "better solutions" | Apr 19 10:07 |
| matey | of course this would NEVER happen to free software | Apr 19 10:07 |
| matey | its impossible, people would just remove it. | Apr 19 10:07 |
| matey | Melvin Edward Conway is a computer scientist, computer programmer, and hacker who coined what is now known as Conway's law: "Organizations, who design systems, are constrained to produce designs which are copies of the communication structures of these organizations." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Melvin_Conway | Apr 19 10:08 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Melvin Conway - Wikipedia | Apr 19 10:08 | |
| matey | the fates of gnu and the fsf are closely linked, how much so time will tell | Apr 19 10:09 |
| matey | oliva obviously never heard of conways law | Apr 19 10:09 |
| matey | neither did rms, because he would understand the threat ibm poses to gcc | Apr 19 10:10 |
| matey | he would have understood it even before ibm bought red hat | Apr 19 10:10 |
| techrights-news | “The Great Resignation” Is a Great Exaggeration ☛ https://www.thenation.com/article/economy/great-resignation-workers/ the crooks who run the system pretend that the system failing is the fault of its VICTIMS! | Apr 19 10:11 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thenation.com | “The Great Resignation” Is a Great Exaggeration | The Nation | Apr 19 10:11 | |
| techrights-news | The sociopaths who run ICBM constantly blame the staff, esp. senior staff, for the company's demise. ICBM also spreads many ruinous lies, not only buzzwords. | Apr 19 10:11 |
| matey | he might have even understood the threat the fsf poses to it | Apr 19 10:12 |
| matey | and here we are | Apr 19 10:12 |
| matey | here is an extreme interpretation of free software + conways law | Apr 19 10:13 |
| techrights-news | ICBM supports the free software community like viruses support vaccines. You know who emulates who.... | Apr 19 10:13 |
| matey | "dont let corporations control users. let a small non-profit with a few thousand members do that instead" | Apr 19 10:13 |
| matey | "but we dont want to control users!" | Apr 19 10:14 |
| matey | okay, so dont! | Apr 19 10:14 |
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| techrights-news | "Last year’s allocation came at zero cost to the United States, and has proved invaluable for developing countries around the world." ☛ https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/04/18/righting-the-record-claims-that-sdrs-help-us-enemies-are-baseless/ | Source: Counter Punch | Apr 19 10:47 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Righting the Record: Claims that SDRs “Help US Enemies” Are Baseless - CounterPunch.org | Apr 19 10:47 | |
| AltLink_c52c | [:T] SomeH4x0r https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/98432 | Apr 19 10:49 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.medicalnewstoday.com | Cat Owners Have Lower Heart Attack Risk, Study | Apr 19 10:49 | |
| SomeH4x0r | hi, are you bot? | Apr 19 10:49 |
| AltLink_c52c | [:T] Every person who use Linux already own a cat. $ cat | Apr 19 10:50 |
| schestowitz_log__ | which cat | Apr 19 10:50 |
| AltLink_c52c | [:T] $ which cat -- /bin/cat | Apr 19 10:51 |
| schestowitz_log__ | AltLink_97e: richer people have pets | Apr 19 10:51 |
| AltLink_97e | 👍 https://framagit.org/dCF/deCloudflare/-/issues/34 | Apr 19 10:51 |
| AltLink_c52c | 🔔 New Issue | richer people have pets | https://framagit.org/dCF/deCloudflare/-/issues/34 | Apr 19 10:51 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-framagit.org | richer people have pets (#34) · Issues · Crimeflare / deCloudflare · GitLab | Apr 19 10:51 | |
| schestowitz_log__ | and richer people have better health | Apr 19 10:51 |
| matey | rofl | Apr 19 10:51 |
| schestowitz_log__ | AltLink_97e: lol my ticket system was hijacked by RUSSIANS!! | Apr 19 10:52 |
| SomeH4x0r | do I have higher risk of heart attack if I'm depressed? | Apr 19 10:52 |
| AltLink_97e | 😢 schestowitz_log__, why? | Apr 19 10:52 |
| schestowitz | Confucius Says man who depress risk heart attack | Apr 19 10:54 |
| schestowitz | Confucius Says man who dead cannot get heart attack | Apr 19 10:54 |
| matey | AltLink_97e: https://yewtu.be/watch?v=_yeaFPSrJ5E | Apr 19 10:55 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-yewtu.be | DIY voice control robot using arduino || VD Tech Creator - Invidious | Apr 19 10:55 | |
| techrights-news | Steam Deck Client Update out, plus Valve dev clarifies a tweak for Gaming Mode | GamingOnLinux ⚓ https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/04/steam-deck-client-update-out-plus-valve-dev-clarifies-a-tweak-for-gaming-mode/ ䷉ Source: Gaming On Linux | GNU | Linux | Games | Apr 19 10:56 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Steam Deck Client Update out, plus Valve dev clarifies a tweak for Gaming Mode | GamingOnLinux | Apr 19 10:56 | |
| schestowitz | Confucius Says man who has friends has support network | Apr 19 10:56 |
| schestowitz | Confucius Says man who has kids has network to support | Apr 19 10:56 |
| SomeH4x0r | IRC network support | Apr 19 10:57 |
| SomeH4x0r | being an admin | Apr 19 10:57 |
| schestowitz | hello, how can I help|? | Apr 19 10:57 |
| matey | computer says no | Apr 19 10:57 |
| SomeH4x0r | I have "/uplink" for "Hello. Do you need any Uplink help?" which I send on UplinkIRC sometimes a few times a day, when players join. | Apr 19 10:57 |
| techrights-ipfs-bot | ▕ IPFS downstream, 60 mins: ▃▄▅▆▅▅▂▂▅▅▆▁▅▄▅▆▅▄▅▆▂▆▇▅▇▁▅▆▂▆▁▂▁▂▃▄▁ avg(k/sec) 22.66 ▕ IPFS upstream: ▁▃█▁▁▂▂▁▂▁▁▁▁▁█▂▁▂▁▁█▁▂▁▂▁▁█▂▁▁▁▁▁▂▁ avg(k/sec) 46.31▕ swarm size (avg): 291.05 ⟲ | Apr 19 10:59 |
| matey | ConfuciusConf 2022 | Apr 19 11:00 |
| schestowitz | sponsored by MetaBook | Apr 19 11:01 |
| matey | "if the mat was not straight, the main would not sit" | Apr 19 11:02 |
| matey | later he was cancelled for not being lgbt-friendly | Apr 19 11:03 |
| techrights-news | Game manager Lutris continues Flatpak improvements | GamingOnLinux ⚓ https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/04/game-manager-lutris-continues-flatpak-improvements/ ䷉ Source: Gaming On Linux | GNU | Linux | Games | Apr 19 11:03 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Game manager Lutris continues Flatpak improvements | GamingOnLinux | Apr 19 11:03 | |
| matey | "i didnt mean that kind of straight" | Apr 19 11:03 |
| techrights-news | "Between 2022-04-12 and 2022-04-19 there were 21 New Steam games released with Native Linux clients. For reference, during the same time, there were 190 games released for Windows on Steam, so the Linux versions represent about 11.1 % of total released titles." https://boilingsteam.com/new-steam-games-native-linux-2022-04-19/ | Apr 19 11:04 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-boilingsteam.com | New Steam Games with Native Linux Clients - 2022-04-19 Edition - Boiling Steam | Apr 19 11:04 | |
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| techrights-news | Puppy Linux – A Collection of Multiple Linux Distributions • Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163880 | Apr 19 11:07 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Puppy Linux – A Collection of Multiple Linux Distributions | Tux Machines | Apr 19 11:07 | |
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| techrights-news | SkiffOS minimal Linux for embedded containers now supports Sipeed Nezha RISC-V board • Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163881 | Apr 19 11:36 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | SkiffOS minimal Linux for embedded containers now supports Sipeed Nezha RISC-V board | Tux Machines | Apr 19 11:36 | |
| techrights-news | Games:Steam, Lutris, and Portal 3 • Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163882 | Apr 19 11:36 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Games:Steam, Lutris, and Portal 3 | Tux Machines | Apr 19 11:36 | |
| techrights-news | 5 Best Free and Open Source C# Object-Relational Mapping Software • Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163883 | Apr 19 11:36 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | 5 Best Free and Open Source C# Object-Relational Mapping Software | Tux Machines | Apr 19 11:36 | |
| techrights-news | Google #Android Leftovers • Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163884 | Apr 19 11:36 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Android Leftovers | Tux Machines | Apr 19 11:36 | |
| schestowitz-TR | [11:03] <matey> later he was cancelled for not being lgbt-friendly | Apr 19 11:38 |
| schestowitz-TR | I didn't get the joke | Apr 19 11:38 |
| schestowitz-TR | anyway, you left out the q and the plus | Apr 19 11:38 |
| schestowitz-TR | that's not inclusive enough | Apr 19 11:38 |
| schestowitz-TR | Confucius jokes are always good | Apr 19 11:39 |
| schestowitz-TR | but soon it'll be considered racist | Apr 19 11:39 |
| schestowitz-TR | Confucius is old, not white, at least Confucius is male | Apr 19 11:39 |
| schestowitz-TR | so maybe it's OK to joke about Confucius | Apr 19 11:39 |
| schestowitz-TR | "fucking dinobaby!" =>ICBM | Apr 19 11:39 |
| schestowitz | I bet ICBM calls RMS dinobaby internally :-) http://techrights.org/wiki/IBM#Ageism | Apr 19 11:43 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IBM - Techrights | Apr 19 11:43 | |
| schestowitz | ICBM is all abouti inclusion | Apr 19 11:43 |
| schestowitz | except old people | Apr 19 11:43 |
| schestowitz | "die already motherfucker" -ICBM shareholders | Apr 19 11:43 |
| schestowitz | no li,e no pension | Apr 19 11:43 |
| schestowitz | *life | Apr 19 11:43 |
| schestowitz | tghey got sued for drivbing older people to suicide | Apr 19 11:44 |
| schestowitz | nice company | Apr 19 11:44 |
| schestowitz | run a hate campaign against RMS | Apr 19 11:44 |
| schestowitz | taking out of context cultural references from the 70s | Apr 19 11:44 |
| schestowitz | like rocky horror show | Apr 19 11:44 |
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| schestowitz | ICBM+Microsoft to our community: do you want a help with that noose? | Apr 19 11:46 |
| schestowitz | "no community" -> assets up for grabs | Apr 19 11:46 |
| schestowitz | "who wants to have grandpa's code?" | Apr 19 11:46 |
| DaemonFC | Great, now I think I have a thermostat that's stuck open. | Apr 19 11:57 |
| DaemonFC | Oh well, those aren't the end of the world. | Apr 19 11:57 |
| DaemonFC | Another nuisance. | Apr 19 11:57 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, My aunt is bipolar. My other aunt told me one time that when the bipolar aunt applied for disability, they took so long deciding on it that she got a backpay check for over $10,000. | Apr 19 11:58 |
| DaemonFC | They accidentally sent it to her instead of her caseworker. | Apr 19 11:59 |
| DaemonFC | That was on a Friday, and by Monday the entire thing was gone. I asked what she had spent it on and she says "She paid some guy to work on her car and stuff.". I said, "What kind of work was she having done on a car in 1980 that was $10,000?". | Apr 19 11:59 |
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| DaemonFC | You could go buy a Mercedes, new, for about twice that. | Apr 19 12:00 |
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| schestowitz-TR | Mercedes is expensive to maintain | Apr 19 12:00 |
| schestowitz-TR | purchase price is just a first installment | Apr 19 12:00 |
| schestowitz-TR | they sell them refurbished here for under $`10k | Apr 19 12:00 |
| schestowitz-TR | across the road from our house | Apr 19 12:00 |
| DaemonFC | I'm swinging by Chevy today to get that heater thing looked at. | Apr 19 12:01 |
| schestowitz-TR | you got yourself a full-time job with this buick | Apr 19 12:01 |
| schestowitz-TR | while mandy labours away at walton-ville | Apr 19 12:01 |
| DaemonFC | Either they left some air bubbles that worked into the core yesterday, in which case, they need to burp it and I don't expect them to charge me, or something stupid is going on with the thermostat most likely. | Apr 19 12:02 |
| DaemonFC | Oh, GM decided to put coolant pipes in a tensioner. | Apr 19 12:02 |
| DaemonFC | <schestowitz-TR> Mercedes is expensive to maintain | Apr 19 12:02 |
| DaemonFC | Yes, which is why they lose 80% of their retail value in three years. | Apr 19 12:02 |
| techrights-news | Linux Mint's Upgrade Tool is now available for beta testing http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163852#comment-33389 | Apr 19 12:02 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Linux Mint’s New Upgrade Tool Enters Public Beta Testing, Here’s How to Use It | Tux Machines | Apr 19 12:02 | |
| DaemonFC | The original owner doesn't want to be anywhere near it when it goes bad. | Apr 19 12:02 |
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| DaemonFC | schestowitz-TR, Leaving a car sitting can be as bad or worse than driving it. | Apr 19 12:03 |
| DaemonFC | All sorts of stuff gets gunked up and rots. | Apr 19 12:03 |
| DaemonFC | It's possible that flushing the coolant just went ahead and crapped up the thermostat, I suppose. | Apr 19 12:04 |
| DaemonFC | They're made so that they try to stick open if they fail. | Apr 19 12:04 |
| DaemonFC | Then the most common thing you'll notice is your heater starts working poorly. | Apr 19 12:04 |
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| DaemonFC | A few days ago the heater was working so well it would burn you out of the car. | Apr 19 12:05 |
| DaemonFC | So I think that it's not the core. | Apr 19 12:05 |
| DaemonFC | There's no signs that it would be the core. | Apr 19 12:05 |
| DaemonFC | The core usually fails, and not only does the heat go out entirely (while mine is blowing lukewarm air now), but you start hearing coolant sloshing around in it, or smelling coolant, or ending up with coolant on the floorboard of your car (at which point you definitely smell it). | Apr 19 12:06 |
| DaemonFC | It's one of those things that just sort of works or it doesn't. | Apr 19 12:06 |
| DaemonFC | This morning, the heater was blowing lukewarm and the engine temperature gauge was on the colder side, which screams stuck open thermostat to me. | Apr 19 12:07 |
| DaemonFC | The engine warms up but not enough to reach ideal operating temperature, and as a result, your coolant never gets hot enough to put out old lady heat on you. | Apr 19 12:07 |
| DaemonFC | So there's a few things it could be that are stupid and relatively inexpensive before we start talking about a core. | Apr 19 12:08 |
| schestowitz-TR | she should have paid you to take it OFF her palms | Apr 19 12:08 |
| DaemonFC | Well, this is always how buying a used car goes. | Apr 19 12:08 |
| schestowitz-TR | seeing what a nanny-begging bag of shit this car is | Apr 19 12:08 |
| schestowitz-TR | it's an impala with a designer purse | Apr 19 12:08 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz-TR, People buy them and then if you ask for service records you're lucky if they can pull out Midas oil change receipts. | Apr 19 12:09 |
| DaemonFC | People don't take care of their stuff. | Apr 19 12:09 |
| schestowitz-TR | do with I do: | Apr 19 12:09 |
| schestowitz-TR | order a taxi if you need one | Apr 19 12:09 |
| DaemonFC | Eventually, you work through the problems you didn't notice when you bought it and it works okay for a while. | Apr 19 12:09 |
| schestowitz-TR | it's a lot cheaper and less trouble | Apr 19 12:09 |
| schestowitz-TR | it also provides local jobs | Apr 19 12:10 |
| schestowitz-TR | just make sure it doesn't say "lyft" or "uber" on it | Apr 19 12:10 |
| schestowitz-TR | that's saudi | Apr 19 12:10 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz-TR, Well, the dealer is more expensive than an independent or chain shop.... | Apr 19 12:10 |
| DaemonFC | But those chain places and independents seem to mostly hire younger mechanics who don't want very much salary. | Apr 19 12:10 |
| DaemonFC | Then you get what you pay for because they're constantly misdiagnosing problems or calling it and tapping out and handing you the car back because it'll take too long to diagnose. | Apr 19 12:11 |
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| DaemonFC | Just one or two misdiagnosed problems that lead to incorrect or incompetent repair can cost you more than paying the dealer a bit higher labor hours to fix it right the first time. | Apr 19 12:13 |
| DaemonFC | For maybe $25 more per labor hour, you're much less likely to get someone throwing parts at it. | Apr 19 12:13 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz-TR, There's no way I'm replacing a TPMS sensor at the dealer though. | Apr 19 12:14 |
| DaemonFC | I can go over to Discount Tire and pay $63.75 and have them replace the malfunctioning sensor and save $100. | Apr 19 12:14 |
| DaemonFC | A good rule of thumb is if it's simple, go to an independent or a chain, if you can like, you know, point at it and say "That's the problem! Replace THAT!" and you're sure. | Apr 19 12:15 |
| DaemonFC | But if it's complicated, some of those less trained mechanics might do thousands in unneeded parts replacement while your car is still doing the thing. | Apr 19 12:15 |
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| DaemonFC | More suitable jobs for less trained mechanics might include tires, tire sensors, fluid changes (but not at Jiffy Lube), brake jobs, and engine trouble codes that have an obvious cause. Right? Like "O2 sensor bank 2 failure" or "Problem with EGR system". | Apr 19 12:17 |
| DaemonFC | Don't go to the dealer for that. | Apr 19 12:17 |
| DaemonFC | If something is going to possibly involve an expensive job where numerous cheaper things may actually be to blame, go to the dealer and pay for a diagnostic. | Apr 19 12:18 |
| DaemonFC | Because if the mechanic starts guessing, sucks to be you. | Apr 19 12:18 |
| schestowitz-TR | when it comes to cars, each small fix costs like a new computer | Apr 19 12:22 |
| schestowitz-TR | when it comes to homes, each fix (new room, new kitchen) costs like a new car | Apr 19 12:22 |
| schestowitz-TR | of course you can avoid both | Apr 19 12:22 |
| DaemonFC | With car repair costs, that's exactly why you don't want the "guessing mechanic" problem. | Apr 19 12:24 |
| DaemonFC | They also might do other things to run up the tab that a dealership probably won't do. | Apr 19 12:24 |
| techrights-news | Links 19/04/2022: “The state of the Free Software movement” and SkiffOS | Techrights ⚓ http://techrights.org/2022/04/19/skiffos/ | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/04/19/skiffos/ | Apr 19 12:24 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Links 19/04/2022: “The state of the Free Software movement” and SkiffOS | Techrights | Apr 19 12:24 | |
| DaemonFC | Like come out and tell you your car will explode if you don't replace a list of things there's nothing wrong with. | Apr 19 12:25 |
| schestowitz-TR | honest mechanic | Apr 19 12:25 |
| schestowitz-TR | poor lawyer | Apr 19 12:25 |
| schestowitz-TR | well-meaning politician | Apr 19 12:26 |
| schestowitz-TR | nice landlord | Apr 19 12:26 |
| schestowitz-TR | good luck finding them | Apr 19 12:26 |
| schestowitz-TR | oh, the gentle taxi driver | Apr 19 12:26 |
| schestowitz-TR | they're aggressive on the road | Apr 19 12:26 |
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| techrights-news | SHAME ON YOU SHAME SHAME SHAME W3C!!!!! To use your site I need to go through ClownFlare, which gives me CAPTCHAs (do I need to help them, train "HEY HI" by clicking trains?). Does w3C give a SHIT about BLIND PEOPLE? "Provide feedback on the hCaptcha you just saw..." oh, yeah, just send blind people jumping through hoops now. The Web has become an expression of hatred against disabled people. | Apr 19 12:29 |
| SomeH4x0r | so it *did* outsource now? | Apr 19 12:29 |
| techrights-news | Who is running W3C? DRM pushers and Pentagon contractors who commit crimes. IOW, it increasingly seems like the Web is controlled by mobsters and crooks. Don't participate in their little sandbox. Explode Gemini. | Apr 19 12:30 |
| techrights-news | Who is running W3C? DRM pushers and Pentagon contractors who commit crimes. IOW, it increasingly seems like the Web is controlled by mobsters and crooks. Don't participate in their little sandbox. Explore Gemini instead. | Apr 19 12:30 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz-TR, Yeah, like if you go in because your car says bank one oxygen sensor. | Apr 19 12:30 |
| techrights-news | Programming Leftovers • Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163885 | Apr 19 12:30 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Programming Leftovers | Tux Machines | Apr 19 12:30 | |
| DaemonFC | And the guy comes out with a list of 12 engine problems that the car wasn't even complaining about... | Apr 19 12:30 |
| DaemonFC | Go somewhere else. | Apr 19 12:30 |
| techrights-news | Open Hardware/Modding Leftovers • Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163886 | Apr 19 12:31 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Open Hardware/Modding Leftovers | Tux Machines | Apr 19 12:31 | |
| techrights-news | Today’s #HowTos | #UNIX • Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163887 | Apr 19 12:31 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's howtos | Tux Machines | Apr 19 12:31 | |
| DaemonFC | Don't even tell them what the first guy said. | Apr 19 12:31 |
| techrights-news | Today’s 𝘛𝘶𝘹 𝘔𝘢𝘤𝘩𝘪𝘯𝘦𝘴 Leftovers • Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163888 | Apr 19 12:31 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's leftovers | Tux Machines | Apr 19 12:31 | |
| DaemonFC | Eventually you'll get someone ho just replaces that sensor and then all your problems are gone again and the other 11 things were bullshit. | Apr 19 12:31 |
| DaemonFC | They have to bullshit at independents because they work on commissions. | Apr 19 12:31 |
| DaemonFC | They don't get paid well unless they stuff the bill. | Apr 19 12:31 |
| DaemonFC | So they do! | Apr 19 12:32 |
| schestowitz-TR | SomeH4x0r: not just now | Apr 19 12:32 |
| schestowitz-TR | a few months ago | Apr 19 12:32 |
| schestowitz-TR | but it got WORSE | Apr 19 12:32 |
| DaemonFC | And then it doesn't matter anymore what each job costs, because they recommend a lot of unnecessary services. | Apr 19 12:32 |
| DaemonFC | Anyway....bbiab. | Apr 19 12:32 |
| schestowitz-TR | now I need to solve CAPTCHAs | Apr 19 12:32 |
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| schestowitz-TR | w3c!!! | Apr 19 12:32 |
| schestowitz-TR | fucking w3c!! | Apr 19 12:32 |
| schestowitz-TR | That's like the Olympic committee pushing mcdonalds and coca cola | Apr 19 12:33 |
| schestowitz-TR | ohm wait a sec... | Apr 19 12:33 |
| schestowitz-TR | (it does) | Apr 19 12:33 |
| schestowitz-TR | w3c: adhere to WEB STANDARDS!!! | Apr 19 12:33 |
| schestowitz-TR | w3c passing DRM (EME) as a standard!!!) | Apr 19 12:33 |
| schestowitz-TR | these ***ers should be buried along with the Web | Apr 19 12:34 |
| schestowitz-TR | the web became not a web | Apr 19 12:34 |
| schestowitz-TR | but a family of proprietary browsers | Apr 19 12:34 |
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| schestowitz-TR | that act as little but a VM/canvas with malware running in it | Apr 19 12:34 |
| schestowitz-TR | complete with DRM | Apr 19 12:34 |
| schestowitz-TR | because criminals aren't the companies but the users/clients of those companies | Apr 19 12:35 |
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| schestowitz-TR | and the browsers should treat them all as "pirates" (their term) | Apr 19 12:35 |
| schestowitz-TR | VM/malware container (aka "Web browser"): we cannot let you visit this page | Apr 19 12:36 |
| schestowitz-TR | you: WHY? | Apr 19 12:36 |
| schestowitz-TR | VM/malware container (aka "Web browser"): Zemlin with Microsoft's fist up his back end, jumping for Pentagon dollars while Ukraine is bombed to rubble, says your Web site must register with his pyramid scheme | Apr 19 12:36 |
| schestowitz-TR | to be "trusted" ("permitted to operate") site | Apr 19 12:36 |
| techrights-news | Todo Lists gemini://ainent.xyz/gemlog/2022-04-18-todo-lists.gmi "I read through most of the documentation before starting this migration in earnest, and was actually a bit overwhelmed. This tool is *huge*. You can configure (per command or with a configuration file) *everything* and add metadata for anything" | Apr 19 12:38 |
| bnchs | schestowitz-TR, EME helped lock out other browsers | Apr 19 12:38 |
| bnchs | google widevine is the most used DRM scheme that supports EME | Apr 19 12:39 |
| schestowitz-TR | esp. the "nastry" (freedom-respecting) ones | Apr 19 12:39 |
| schestowitz-TR | Gulag wants us all back in the gulag | Apr 19 12:39 |
| schestowitz-TR | it can settle on Firefox too, for now | Apr 19 12:39 |
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| schestowitz-TR | because it has us herded in that, too | Apr 19 12:39 |
| schestowitz-TR | vanilla firedox does NOTHING to protect from spying and ads | Apr 19 12:40 |
| schestowitz-TR | use librewolf instead | Apr 19 12:40 |
| schestowitz-TR | if you need gecko | Apr 19 12:40 |
| schestowitz-TR | don't use even Firefox clones | Apr 19 12:40 |
| schestowitz-TR | netsurf is OK | Apr 19 12:40 |
| techrights-news | "Everyone felt heard, nobody interrupted each other (well they did a bit, but the timekeeper added more time to account for it), and we suffered far less repetition. When a subject arose I didn't have any care for, I remained silent, which shortened the debate." gemini://malinfreeborn.com/gen/symposium.gmi | Apr 19 12:41 |
| bnchs | you can choose not to implement EME | Apr 19 12:41 |
| techrights-news | "Further to my post “Why i like mdoc(7) for man pages”[a], i've now written a quickstart guide to encourage people to use mdoc(7)[b] when authoring man pages." gemini://republic.circumlunar.space/users/flexibeast/gemlog/2022-04-19.gmi | Apr 19 12:42 |
| bnchs | and get people complain about netflix not working | Apr 19 12:42 |
| bnchs | or their DRM bullshit | Apr 19 12:42 |
| schestowitz-TR | netflix is a bit of a bubble | Apr 19 12:42 |
| schestowitz-TR | and here's why | Apr 19 12:42 |
| schestowitz-TR | there are more companies entering the same space | Apr 19 12:42 |
| schestowitz-TR | streaming+drm | Apr 19 12:42 |
| schestowitz-TR | like disney+ | Apr 19 12:42 |
| bnchs | lol | Apr 19 12:42 |
| schestowitz-TR | and they can barely get people on board | Apr 19 12:42 |
| schestowitz-TR | netflix wasn't profitable for a long time | Apr 19 12:42 |
| bnchs | it will burst when consumers got sick of paying tons of shit | Apr 19 12:43 |
| schestowitz-TR | they hope they can turn things around | Apr 19 12:43 |
| schestowitz-TR | tesla the same | Apr 19 12:43 |
| schestowitz-TR | barely any profits | Apr 19 12:43 |
| bnchs | consumers paying for tons of streaming services | Apr 19 12:43 |
| schestowitz-TR | and the other automobile companies ACTUALLY make REAL vewhicles | Apr 19 12:43 |
| schestowitz-TR | not vapourware and noise | Apr 19 12:43 |
| schestowitz-TR | so they lower the market value of tesla hype machine | Apr 19 12:43 |
| bnchs | elon musk is the one making vaporware and noise | Apr 19 12:43 |
| bnchs | and retarded memes on twitter | Apr 19 12:43 |
| bnchs | he puts them on telsa | Apr 19 12:43 |
| schestowitz-TR | for netflix and spotify (losses also) more competition makes them like Uber... | Apr 19 12:43 |
| schestowitz-TR | an elusive dream | Apr 19 12:43 |
| schestowitz-TR | many idiots can cobble together ride-sharing "apps" | Apr 19 12:44 |
| schestowitz-TR | and so without monopoly power their whole business model crumbles | Apr 19 12:44 |
| schestowitz-TR | gulagtube is swqueezing the goose | Apr 19 12:44 |
| schestowitz-TR | and many leave | Apr 19 12:44 |
| schestowitz-TR | EME on the Web will hopefully fail like music DRM | Apr 19 12:44 |
| schestowitz-TR | it just drives people to sharing raw files | Apr 19 12:44 |
| schestowitz-TR | and so only the "legit" "users" suffer | Apr 19 12:45 |
| schestowitz-TR | netflix tries to 'tackle password sharing" (straw man) to implement price hikes | Apr 19 12:45 |
| schestowitz-TR | so there's hope that enough people will say "NO!" | Apr 19 12:45 |
| schestowitz-TR | or #CancelNetflix | Apr 19 12:45 |
| schestowitz-TR | like FSF says | Apr 19 12:45 |
| schestowitz-TR | and those companies will become toilet papes | Apr 19 12:45 |
| schestowitz-TR | *paper | Apr 19 12:45 |
| bnchs | people are resorting to torrenting again | Apr 19 12:46 |
| schestowitz-TR | like spotify after it tried to reinvent itself as "poscast" company | Apr 19 12:46 |
| schestowitz-TR | by bringing a crank onboard | Apr 19 12:46 |
| schestowitz-TR | *podcast | Apr 19 12:46 |
| schestowitz-TR | if not a crank, then a man who invites crank to his show | Apr 19 12:46 |
| schestowitz-TR | including "pedo guy" Musk | Apr 19 12:46 |
| schestowitz-TR | BTW, Twitter STILL loses money | Apr 19 12:46 |
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| schestowitz-TR | Musk knows he's inreasingly hated | Apr 19 12:46 |
| schestowitz-TR | he thinks running this thing at a loss (like shithub) will bring him respect | Apr 19 12:47 |
| schestowitz-TR | like Microsofgt thought shithub would bring developers to windows/azure | Apr 19 12:47 |
| schestowitz-TR | it did not work, or hardly | Apr 19 12:47 |
| schestowitz-TR | skype was a ramp for "teams" | Apr 19 12:47 |
| schestowitz-TR | and short of bribery microisoft still makes noi headway | Apr 19 12:47 |
| bnchs | tesla made more vaporware than actual products | Apr 19 12:47 |
| schestowitz-TR | yeah | Apr 19 12:47 |
| schestowitz-TR | and it compared a whistleblower to a mass shooter | Apr 19 12:47 |
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| schestowitz-TR | because he debunked the bubble of tesla being green | Apr 19 12:48 |
| schestowitz-TR | musk is a dangerous monster | Apr 19 12:48 |
| schestowitz-TR | even corporate shills like Garrett do not like musk | Apr 19 12:48 |
| schestowitz-TR | and that tells you a lot! | Apr 19 12:48 |
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| bnchs | i'm still waiting for the big cybervaporware | Apr 19 12:52 |
| bnchs | i mean cyber truck | Apr 19 12:52 |
| bnchs | pushed to early 2023 | Apr 19 12:52 |
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| schestowitz-TR | according to tweets? | Apr 19 12:54 |
| schestowitz-TR | in MuskSocial? | Apr 19 12:54 |
| schestowitz-TR | is that posted for customers? | Apr 19 12:55 |
| schestowitz-TR | or for shareholders? | Apr 19 12:55 |
| schestowitz-TR | who sold the stock and when? | Apr 19 12:55 |
| schestowitz-TR | before and after the "tweets"? | Apr 19 12:55 |
| bnchs | https://www.engadget.com/tesla-cybertruck-delay-2022-150309858.html | Apr 19 12:55 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Tesla quietly delays Cybertruck to 2022 | Engadget | Apr 19 12:55 | |
| bnchs | https://www.reuters.com/technology/exclusive-tesla-delays-initial-production-cybertruck-early-2023-source-2022-01-13/ | Apr 19 12:55 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Exclusive: Tesla delays initial production of Cybertruck to early 2023 - source | Reuters | Apr 19 12:55 | |
| bnchs | future news: tesla delays cybertruck to 2030 | Apr 19 12:55 |
| bnchs | people thought early microsoft was a big vaporware maker | Apr 19 12:58 |
| bnchs | but now it's tesla | Apr 19 12:58 |
| schestowitz-TR | what the fork is "cybertruck"? | Apr 19 12:58 |
| schestowitz-TR | I thought you were joking | Apr 19 12:58 |
| schestowitz-TR | can you buy it with cybercoin? | Apr 19 12:58 |
| bnchs | it's this big obviously crash-unsafe truck | Apr 19 12:58 |
| bnchs | that will crumble your legs upon impact | Apr 19 12:59 |
| bnchs | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tesla_Cybertruck | Apr 19 12:59 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Tesla Cybertruck - Wikipedia | Apr 19 12:59 | |
| schestowitz-TR | CyBORG-TRUCK | Apr 19 12:59 |
| schestowitz-TR | YOU WILL ASSIMILATE! YOUR LEGS TOO!! | Apr 19 12:59 |
| bnchs | "Particular concerns highlighted by these two bodies include the high stiffness of the "exoskeleton" exterior resulting in a lack of crumple zones, as well as the tall, flat front of the truck, which could increase the severity of leg injuries" | Apr 19 13:00 |
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| bnchs | i'm pretty sure the cybertruck that was on elon's stage was a big prop | Apr 19 13:01 |
| bnchs | this shit would be illegal on the streets | Apr 19 13:02 |
| schestowitz-TR | just some fake product | Apr 19 13:02 |
| schestowitz-TR | like elon's hair | Apr 19 13:03 |
| schestowitz-TR | to keep the market manipulated | Apr 19 13:03 |
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| schestowitz-TR | and maybe he can do a PIA | Apr 19 13:03 |
| schestowitz-TR | and use Musk Social to try to sell some fakecoin | Apr 19 13:03 |
| bnchs | vaporware is what brings the fans | Apr 19 13:03 |
| schestowitz-TR | and make his own "joseon" fakeEmpire | Apr 19 13:03 |
| bnchs | "oh look he announced this cool product, he's so kewl" | Apr 19 13:03 |
| schestowitz-TR | "hhhhhheeee sooo fuuunny!!" | Apr 19 13:03 |
| techrights-news | Ubuntu 22.04: What’s New? [Video] https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2022/04/ubuntu-22-04-video-jammy-jellyfish | Apr 19 13:06 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.omgubuntu.co.uk | Ubuntu 22.04: What's New? [Video] - OMG! Ubuntu! | Apr 19 13:06 | |
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| techrights-news | Vim Color Schemes: How to Change and Use Them ⚓ https://linuxhandbook.com/vim-color-schemes/ ䷉ Source: LinuxHandbook | GNU | Linux | Apr 19 13:16 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxhandbook.com | Vim Color Schemes: How to Change and Use Them | Apr 19 13:17 | |
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| techrights-news | "it’s easy to think it’s a virus"... and it is, like Microsoft Windows itself https://www.maketecheasier.com/fix-tiworker-exe-issue/ | Apr 19 13:20 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.maketecheasier.com | How to Fix TiWorker.exe High CPU or Disk Usage Issues - Make Tech Easier | Apr 19 13:20 | |
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| techrights-news | Firmware - what are we going to do about it? • Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163889 | Apr 19 13:32 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Firmware - what are we going to do about it? | Tux Machines | Apr 19 13:32 | |
| techrights-news | The Big GNU/Linux Switch • Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163890 Now criminals from Microsoft know where to go and who to bribe (as usual): http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162988 | Apr 19 13:34 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | The Big Linux Switch | Tux Machines | Apr 19 13:34 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Microsoft Run by Criminals, Who Expel Those Who Don't Participate in the Crimes | Tux Machines | Apr 19 13:34 | |
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| techrights-news | "Long time no see, my dear reader! I was planning a lot for this blog, as well as for the Advanced Raku For Beginners series. But you know what they say: wanna make the God laugh – tell him your plans!" https://vrurg.github.io/2022/04/18/will-complain-trait | Apr 19 13:37 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-vrurg.github.io | A New will complain Trait - LFlat, The Home of Vrurg | Apr 19 13:37 | |
| techrights-news | The Free Software community mourns the loss of Pedro Francisco (MasGNULinux) • Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163891 | Apr 19 13:39 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | The Free Software community mourns the loss of Pedro Francisco (MasGNULinux) | Tux Machines | Apr 19 13:39 | |
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| techrights-news | Today’s #HowTos | #UNIX • Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163892 | Apr 19 13:42 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's howtos | Tux Machines | Apr 19 13:42 | |
| techrights-news | New Java Articles, Especially From Red Hat • Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163893 | Apr 19 13:51 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | New Java Articles, Especially From Red Hat | Tux Machines | Apr 19 13:51 | |
| techrights-news | Based on reports, ICBM drives workers to burnout. Maybe it should take a different company's advice? https://enterprisersproject.com/article/2022/4/burnout-5-leadership-tips | Apr 19 13:52 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-enterprisersproject.com | Burnout busters: 5 tips to give your team motivation and purpose | The Enterprisers Project | Apr 19 13:52 | |
| techrights-news | "The EC90A-GH is a compact sized computer that is designed to function as a secured AI edge computing and IoT platform." https://linuxgizmos.com/dfi-industrial-mini-pc-features-amd-ryzen-embedded-r1000-processor/ | Apr 19 13:53 |
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| techrights-news | LOL. HPC in the clown. Meaningless garbage. Redefining servers. https://ubuntu.com//blog/high-performance-computing-hpc-anywhere-part-2 | Apr 19 13:54 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-High-performance computing (HPC) clusters anywhere [part 2] | Ubuntu | Apr 19 13:54 | |
| techrights-news | Celebrating surveillance? Seriously? https://cloudyday.tech.blog/2022/04/19/the-wonders-of-modern-life/ | Apr 19 13:56 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-cloudyday.tech.blog | The Wonders of Modern Life – blog.theuse.net | Apr 19 13:56 | |
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| techrights-news | SysLinuxOS 11.3 is out. https://syslinuxos.com/ | Apr 19 13:57 |
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| techrights-news | Software Patents Pool. NOT the solution to the problem! https://finance.yahoo.com/news/advantest-joins-open-invention-network-090000110.html | Apr 19 13:59 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-finance.yahoo.com | Advantest Joins Open Invention Network | Apr 19 13:59 | |
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| techrights-news | "about the size of a credit card and equipped with up to 32GB RAM." https://www.cnx-software.com/2022/04/19/roc-rk3588s-pc-first-rockchip-rk3588s-sbc-32gb-ram/ | Apr 19 14:00 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.cnx-software.com | ROC-RK3588S-PC is the first Rockchip RK3588S SBC, supports up to 32GB RAM - CNX Software | Apr 19 14:00 | |
| schestowitz-TR | psydroid2: ^^ | Apr 19 14:01 |
| techrights-news | "As we mentioned in our last blog post about OP-TEE 3.16, Bootlin planned to and contributed some interesting features in the recently released OP-TEE 3.17 ! Here is a short presentation of our contributions to this release" https://bootlin.com/blog/bootlin-contributions-to-op-tee-3-17/ | Apr 19 14:02 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Bootlin contributions to OP-TEE 3.17 - Bootlin's blog | Apr 19 14:02 | |
| psydroid2 | schestowitz-TR, things are becoming serious | Apr 19 14:11 |
| psydroid2 | if only that chip was a bit faster, but it's not that far removed from my most recent laptops | Apr 19 14:12 |
| techrights-news | Convert Audio File Formats on Ubuntu with SoundConverter • Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163894 | Apr 19 14:16 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Convert Audio File Formats on Ubuntu with SoundConverter | Tux Machines | Apr 19 14:16 | |
| schestowitz-TR | psydroid2: depends on the use case | Apr 19 14:16 |
| psydroid2 | RK3588 is 9 times faster than Allwinner A64, so it will be a great speedup anyway | Apr 19 14:18 |
| techrights-news | Nushell: A Flexible Open-Source Cross-platform Shell • Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163895 | Apr 19 14:22 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Nushell: A Flexible Open-Source Cross-platform Shell | Tux Machines | Apr 19 14:22 | |
| techrights-news | Jesse Afolabi: let's slap a new date on an article from one decade ago and give it a change... again https://www.tecmint.com/ubuntu-budgie/ | Apr 19 14:23 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tecmint.com | Installation and Review of Ubuntu Budgie [Lightweight OS] | Apr 19 14:23 | |
| techrights-news | Skanlite – A Simple Image Scanning Tool for Linux • Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163896 | Apr 19 14:25 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Skanlite – A Simple Image Scanning Tool for Linux | Tux Machines | Apr 19 14:25 | |
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| techrights-news | Anna Collard on the Essence of Improved Cybersecurity in this [buzzwords] Era https://techeconomy.ng/2022/04/anna-collard-on-the-essence-of-improved-cybersecurity-in-this-5g-era/ | Apr 19 14:28 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techeconomy.ng | Anna Collard on the Essence of Improved Cybersecurity in this 5G Era | Apr 19 14:28 | |
| techrights-news | It seems like DebConf at least stopped accepting bribes from Microsoft criminals https://bits.debian.org/2022/04/debconf22-itp-prizren-platinum.html | Apr 19 14:30 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-bits.debian.org | ITP Prizren Platinum Sponsor of DebConf22 - Bits from Debian | Apr 19 14:30 | |
| techrights-news | Oh, dear. This was outsourced to Microsoft (criminals) proprietary software https://egastablog.wordpress.com/2022/04/19/fedora-media-writer-nextgen-builds-for-all-platforms/ | Apr 19 14:31 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-egastablog.wordpress.com | Fedora MediaWriter (nextgen) on MacOS – egasta Blog | Apr 19 14:31 | |
| techrights-news | IBM slave program https://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/fedora-ambassadors-kick-off-call-wrap-up-whats-next-and-how-to-get-involved/ | Apr 19 14:31 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-communityblog.fedoraproject.org | Fedora Ambassadors Kick-Off Call Wrap Up: what's next and how to get involved! – Fedora Community Blog | Apr 19 14:32 | |
| techrights-news | FEX-Emu also outsourced to Microsoft (criminals) proprietary software https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=FEX-Emu-2204 | Apr 19 14:32 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-FEX-Emu 2204 Released With Fixes For Running x86/x86_64 Binaries On AArch64 - Phoronix | Apr 19 14:32 | |
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| techrights-news | "Everything that becomes popular turns to crap. So now I have to ditch DuckDuckGo and find an alternative. No, I'm not telling you what I'm moving to, lest they get enough users to dictate their terms to us. #rant" gemini://tobykurien.com/microblog.gmi DuckDuckGo was a SCAM from the get-go http://techrights.org/wiki/DuckDuckGo | Apr 19 14:38 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | DuckDuckGo - Techrights | Apr 19 14:38 | |
| techrights-news | "Computers were "good enough" 5 years ago, and we're still using them for the exact same purposes. So why do we have gigs of software updates every week, and why do our computers get slow and "out-of-date" every 2 years?" gemini://tobykurien.com/microblog.gmi | Apr 19 14:39 |
| XRevan86 | Is this about https://torrentfreak.com/duckduckgo-restores-pirate-sites-and-points-to-bing-220419/ ? | Apr 19 14:39 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-DuckDuckGo 'Restores' Pirate Sites and Points to Bing as Culprit * TorrentFreak | Apr 19 14:39 | |
| techrights-news | "We Value Your Privacy" gemini://warmedal.se/~bjorn/posts/2022-04-19-we-value-your-privacy.gmi "No you don't. If you did you wouldn't have to hand me a long list of vendors and purposes and so called "legitimate interests" (what does that even mean, anyway?) that I have to manually disable. In fact you wouldn't have any of those in the first place." | Apr 19 14:40 |
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| techrights-news | "The long Easter weekend was a good opportunity to relax and recharge a little, and of course test gemlogging via Lagrange in the terminal." gemini://skyjake.fi/gemlog/2022-04_long-weekend.gmi | Apr 19 14:41 |
| schestowitz | https://tildegit.org/solderpunk/CAPCOM/src/branch/master/capcom.py | Apr 19 14:47 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-tildegit.org | CAPCOM/capcom.py at master - CAPCOM - tildegit | Apr 19 14:47 | |
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| techrights-news | ZDNet is a webspam site bribed by 'Linux' Foundation for a diploma mill ("The best Linux Foundation classes in 2022: Intro to Linux, Cloud Engineer Bootcamp, and more".) ZDNet will be gone for good in a few years... now it's just presstituting | Apr 19 15:00 |
| techrights-news | Microsoft planning to 'spam' XBox with ads. Lacking a source of revenue. Too many units operate at a loss? There are layoffs in spite of Trump and Biden bailing out Microsoft with military (taxpayers) money... | Apr 19 15:03 |
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| techrights-news | Thurrott is pushing WSL again so you know. 1) WSL is indeed an ATTACK on GNU/Linux. 2) Real GNU/Linux REALLY scares Microsoft and Microsofters | Apr 19 15:04 |
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| techrights-news | Software patents shored up by hostile corporations that create pools instead of abolishing fake patents https://www.electronicsweekly.com/news/business/advantest-joins-open-invention-network-linux-cooperation-2022-04/ | Apr 19 15:06 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.electronicsweekly.com | Advantest joins Open Invention Network for Linux cooperation | Apr 19 15:06 | |
| techrights-news | While many of us fight to abolish software patents Keith Bergelt and other people who never ever use Linux are trying to 'normalise' such patents | Apr 19 15:07 |
| techrights-news | Ukraine is crowdsourcing digital evidence of war crimes https://www.accessnow.org/digital-rights-ukraine-russia-conflict/ | Apr 19 15:08 |
| -AltLink_97e/#techrights-📣 CloudFlare: accessnow.org | 🙆 Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.accessnow.org/digital-rights-ukraine-russia-conflict/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.accessnow.org/digital-rights-ukraine-russia-conflict/ | Apr 19 15:08 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.accessnow.org | Updates: Digital rights in the Russia-Ukraine conflict - Access Now | Apr 19 15:08 | |
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| AltLink_c52c | [:T] w3c adhere to WEB STANDARDS // Many web-standards sites and Linux sites joined CF club. | Apr 19 15:09 |
| AltLink_c52c | [:T] Letsencrypt, IETF, LinuxFoundation, Mozilla, etc | Apr 19 15:09 |
| AltLink_c52c | [:T] Someone once said to us, 'when you cannot beat them join them' | Apr 19 15:09 |
| AltLink_c52c | [:T] Maybe he/she is right, why boycott against it when you are already failure (sarcasm) | Apr 19 15:09 |
| techrights-news | Internet under attack because of NATO and Russia https://www.repubblica.it/tecnologia/2022/04/15/news/i_colossi_americani_di_internet_possono_continuare_a_fare_affari_con_la_russia_e_ce_un_motivo-345500159/ | Apr 19 15:09 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.repubblica.it | I colossi Usa di Internet possono continuare a lavorare in Russia, e c’è un motivo - la Repubblica | Apr 19 15:09 | |
| techrights-news | NO! You should SHUN social control media. PROBLEM SOLVED -> "However, social media companies need to adjust their content moderation policies in order to preserve material with evidential value, and guarantee that eyewitness accounts will not be blocked for sharing content with violent elements." https://www.accessnow.org/digital-rights-ukraine-russia-conflict/ | Apr 19 15:11 |
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| techrights-news | Any social control media = war propaganda machine. Scooping up spoils of war, just like the military contractors which make bombs. Wanna stop the war? Stop supporting those who PROFIT from it. http://techrights.org/2022/04/10/conflict-of-interest-epoi/ | Apr 19 15:12 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Conflict of Interest: Battistelli/CEIPI/EPO and AstraZeneca | Techrights | Apr 19 15:12 | |
| schestowitz-TR | hmmm... wrong link :/ | Apr 19 15:13 |
| techrights-news | Any social control media = war propaganda machine. Scooping up spoils of war, just like the military contractors which make bombs. Wanna stop the war? Stop supporting those who PROFIT from it. http://techrights.org/2022/03/01/twitter-happier-during-wars/ | Apr 19 15:13 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Twitter Profits From Conflict | Techrights | Apr 19 15:13 | |
| techrights-news | Web BLOAT is a contributor to outsourcing (to datacentres) and CDN [sic] consolidation that spies on everyone, e.g. ClownFlare. The solution should start with making the Web a lot "thinner" (or replacing it with something thin). Bloat is a convert form of vendor lockin. | Apr 19 15:16 |
| techrights-news | I would go further and say Microsoft GitHub is iself a virus. And look who's running it: spies (NSA) and criminals. Some even got arrested recently. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OzoDeoSPQ0U | Apr 19 15:17 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Invidious: https://yt.artemislena.eu/watch?v=OzoDeoSPQ0U | Apr 19 15:17 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Peer reports incompatible or unsupported protocol version. ( status 0 @ https://yt.artemislena.eu/watch?v=OzoDeoSPQ0U ) | Apr 19 15:17 | |
| techrights-news | STATEMENT ON REPEATED INTERNET SHUTDOWNS IN VARIOUS STATES IN RESPONSE TO VIOLENCE ⚓ https://internetfreedom.in/statement-on-repeated-internet-shutdowns-in-various-states-in-response-to-violence/ ䷉ Source: internetfreedom | Apr 19 15:18 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-internetfreedom.in | STATEMENT ON REPEATED INTERNET SHUTDOWNS IN VARIOUS STATES IN RESPONSE TO VIOLENCE | Apr 19 15:18 | |
| techrights-news | Biden should collect footage of American war crimes, too https://www.ny1.com/nyc/all-boroughs/news/2022/04/14/ukraine-russia-war-images-us-democracy-impact-technology instead, US puts in prison people who shows such footage, e.g. Assange and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abdulelah_Haider_Shaye | Apr 19 15:22 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.ny1.com | How real-time images from Ukraine impact U.S. democracy | Apr 19 15:22 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Abdulelah Haider Shaye - Wikipedia | Apr 19 15:22 | |
| techrights-news | Today’s #HowTos | #UNIX • Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163897 | Apr 19 15:22 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's howtos | Tux Machines | Apr 19 15:22 | |
| techrights-news | Biden, are you against war crimes? Good. Then stop doing them. | Apr 19 15:23 |
| techrights-news | If Biden is the world's moral compass, then the compass is broken or part of an elaborate practical joke | Apr 19 15:24 |
| techrights-news | kernel/git/pabeni/net-next.git - pabeni net-next tree ⚓ https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/pabeni/net-next.git/commit/?id=2a38de067bace34e7315ce6af027fd785c31fe0f ䷉ Source: git | Apr 19 15:24 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-git.kernel.org | kernel/git/pabeni/net-next.git - pabeni net-next tree | Apr 19 15:24 | |
| techrights-news | kernel/git/geert/linux-m68k.git - Linux/m68k Kernel Development Tree ⚓ https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/geert/linux-m68k.git/commit/?h=for-next&id=05d51e42df06f0211c7029ab9aa46c492ee85043 ䷉ Source: git | Apr 19 15:25 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-git.kernel.org | kernel/git/geert/linux-m68k.git - Linux/m68k Kernel Development Tree | Apr 19 15:25 | |
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| techrights-news | Adobe reminding us why proprietary software should be avoided https://palant.info/2022/04/19/adobe-acrobat-hollowing-out-same-origin-policy/ | Apr 19 15:28 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-palant.info | Adobe Acrobat hollowing out same-origin policy | Almost Secure | Apr 19 15:28 | |
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| techrights-news | Call for testing: 22.04 release candidate images ready! • Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163898 | Apr 19 15:29 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Call for testing: 22.04 release candidate images ready! | Tux Machines | Apr 19 15:29 | |
| techrights-news | AVL-MXE 21.1 and MXDE Release-a-palooza! • Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163899 | Apr 19 15:32 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | AVL-MXE 21.1 and MXDE Release-a-palooza! | Tux Machines | Apr 19 15:32 | |
| techrights-news | Security Leftovers • Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163900 | Apr 19 15:33 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Security Leftovers | Tux Machines | Apr 19 15:33 | |
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| techrights-news | tidelift is joining the Microsoft-led FUD campaign https://blog.tidelift.com/finding-1-security-is-open-source-developers-most-urgent-challenge-while-complying-with-government-requirements-is-a-rising-concern see http://techrights.org/2022/01/14/white-house-security-theatre/ | Apr 19 15:36 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.tidelift.com | Finding #1: Security is open source developers’ most urgent challenge, while complying with government requirements is a rising concern | Apr 19 15:36 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | White House Asking Proprietary Software Companies That Add NSA Back Doors About Their Views on ‘Open Source’ Security | Techrights | Apr 19 15:36 | |
| techrights-news | Arduino turns to Linux for the heavy lifting Portenta X8 • Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163901 | Apr 19 15:39 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Arduino turns to Linux for the heavy lifting Portenta X8 | Tux Machines | Apr 19 15:39 | |
| techrights-news | Tidelift is a longtime Microsoft booster, in effect trying to reform the image of a company that commits crimes and attacks Free software https://tidelift.com/about/lifter/microsoft_commits https://blog.tidelift.com/wtf-the-data-behind-microsofts-surprising-open-source-track-record | Apr 19 15:41 |
| -AltLink_97e/#techrights-📣 CloudFlare: tidelift.com | 🙆 Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://tidelift.com/about/lifter/microsoft_commits https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://tidelift.com/about/lifter/microsoft_commits | Apr 19 15:41 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-tidelift.com | Which open source projects has Microsoft committed to? | Apr 19 15:41 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.tidelift.com | WTF? The data behind Microsoft's surprising open source track record | Apr 19 15:41 | |
| techrights-news | Don't ask Tidelift about Stalin. It might say something about Hitler being bad and thus Stalin being good. Tidelift = corporate shills. | Apr 19 15:42 |
| techrights-news | No, proprietary software from an awfully dodgy firm like Sophos will make you worse off when it comes to security, not better. https://www.itweb.co.za/content/mYZRXv9aBbnvOgA8 | Apr 19 15:44 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.itweb.co.za | Sophos unveils powerful Cloud Workload Protection advancements with new Linux, container security offerings | ITWeb | Apr 19 15:44 | |
| techrights-news | Sophos: buy our rubbish secret software. You'll be safer. Or LESS safe! https://www.eyerys.com/articles/timeline/sophos-warns-customers-about-data-leak-following-security-breach | Apr 19 15:47 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Sophos Warns Customers About Data Leak Following A Security Breach | Eyerys | Apr 19 15:47 | |
| techrights-news | WebKit frame delivery - ChrisLord.net ⚓ https://www.chrislord.net/2022/04/19/webkit-frame-delivery/ ䷉ Source: chrislord | Apr 19 15:51 |
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| techrights-news | "These days, many C++ projects are built using build tools like cmake and meson in addition to GNU make (gmake). In this blog, I have already written on how to compile and run LibreOffice SDK examples using gmake." https://dev.blog.documentfoundation.org/2022/04/19/using-cmake-to-build-libreoffice-cpp-sdk-examples/ | Apr 19 15:53 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-dev.blog.documentfoundation.org | Using cmake to build LibreOffice C++ SDK examples - LibreOffice Development Blog | Apr 19 15:53 | |
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| techrights-news | CISA cannot be taken too seriously (NSA agenda) if it floats this clown computing lunacy; this is where spies are collecting a lot data. https://us-cert.cisa.gov/ncas/current-activity/2022/04/18/cisa-releases-secure-cloud-business-applications-scuba-guidance | Apr 19 16:00 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.cisa.gov | CISA Releases Secure Cloud Business Applications (SCuBA) Guidance Documents for Public Comment | CISA | Apr 19 16:00 | |
| techrights-news | Mourning Pedro Francisco [LWN.net] http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163891#comment-33391 | Apr 19 16:01 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | The Free Software community mourns the loss of Pedro Francisco (MasGNULinux) | Tux Machines | Apr 19 16:01 | |
| techrights-news | Wow. What a bunch of corporate corrupt shills https://www.computerweekly.com/feature/Positive-benefits-in-the-new-experience-economy disguised as experts. In reality professional CON MEN. http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Gartner_Group | Apr 19 16:02 |
| -AltLink_97e/#techrights-📣 CloudFlare: computerweekly.com | 🙆 Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.computerweekly.com/feature/Positive-benefits-in-the-new-experience-economy https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.computerweekly.com/feature/Positive-benefits-in-the-new-experience-economy | Apr 19 16:02 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.computerweekly.com | Positive benefits in the new experience economy | Apr 19 16:02 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Gartner Group - Techrights | Apr 19 16:02 | |
| techrights-news | 274: What Makes A Linux Distro Good For Beginners? - Destination Linux ⚓ https://destinationlinux.org/episode-274/ ䷉ Source: destinationlinux | Apr 19 16:03 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-destinationlinux.org | 274: What Makes A Linux Distro Good For Beginners? - Destination Linux | Apr 19 16:03 | |
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| techrights-news | Fedora and IBM/Red Hat Leftovers • Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163902 | Apr 19 16:10 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Fedora and IBM/Red Hat Leftovers | Tux Machines | Apr 19 16:10 | |
| techrights-news | Should I Switch from Windows to Linux OS? • Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163903 | Apr 19 16:10 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Should I Switch from Windows to Linux OS? | Tux Machines | Apr 19 16:10 | |
| techrights-news | "LFNW hasn't been in person since the start of the pandemic. I don't think it was even held in 2020. Anyhoo, they played it safe for 2022... and put in a bit of effort with planning what will hopefully be a very successful virtual event for 2022... this weekend." http://www.montanalinux.org/lfnw-2022-virtual.html | Apr 19 16:11 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Linuxfest NorthWest VIRTUAL this weekend | www.montanalinux.org | Apr 19 16:11 | |
| techrights-news | "This simple tutorial shows how to replace the default Snap Store (Ubuntu Software) with Gnome Software with Flatpak support in Ubuntu 22.04 LTS." https://ubuntuhandbook.org/index.php/2022/04/gnome-software-ubuntu-2204/ | Apr 19 16:13 |
| -AltLink_97e/#techrights-📣 CloudFlare: ubuntuhandbook.org | 🙆 Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://ubuntuhandbook.org/index.php/2022/04/gnome-software-ubuntu-2204/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://ubuntuhandbook.org/index.php/2022/04/gnome-software-ubuntu-2204/ | Apr 19 16:13 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ubuntuhandbook.org | Install Gnome Software as Ubuntu Software with Flatpak Support in Ubuntu 22.04 | UbuntuHandbook | Apr 19 16:13 | |
| techrights-news | Fear, Uncertainty, Doubt, and Bad Security Advice • Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163904 | Apr 19 16:13 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Fear, Uncertainty, Doubt, and Bad Security Advice | Tux Machines | Apr 19 16:13 | |
| techrights-news | Regarding TideLift, it's funded by 'former' Microsoft as the General Manager of General Gatalyst (Quentin Clark) | Apr 19 16:17 |
| schestowitz | 20 years at Microsoft, not behind tidelift https://www.thetwentyminutevc.com/uncategorised/quentinclark/ | Apr 19 16:22 |
| -AltLink_97e/#techrights-📣 CloudFlare: thetwentyminutevc.com | 🙆 Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.thetwentyminutevc.com/uncategorised/quentinclark/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.thetwentyminutevc.com/uncategorised/quentinclark/ | Apr 19 16:22 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thetwentyminutevc.com | 20VC: Lessons From Working with Bill Gates, How To Lead Without Authority and The Difference Between Leadership and Management & How Fundraising Changes In A COVID World with Quentin Clark, Managing Director @ General Catalyst - 20VC | Apr 19 16:22 | |
| techrights-news | "There is significant commonality between the Tab 11 and Tab 10 as they both use Android 11. The Tab 10 has Blackview’s Doke OS_P 1.0 on top of Android 11, whereas the Tab 11 has Doke OS_P 2.0 which has several additional features (split screen functionality, for example)." https://fitzcarraldoblog.wordpress.com/2022/04/19/blackview-tab-11-a-good-budget-tablet/ | Apr 19 16:27 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-fitzcarraldoblog.wordpress.com | Blackview Tab 11, a good budget tablet | Fitzcarraldo's Blog | Apr 19 16:27 | |
| techrights-news | 7 of the Best LaTeX Editors for Linux • Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163905 | Apr 19 16:30 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | 7 of the Best LaTeX Editors for Linux | Tux Machines | Apr 19 16:30 | |
| techrights-news | 10 Fun Games to Play in the Linux Terminal • Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163906 | Apr 19 16:33 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | 10 Fun Games to Play in the Linux Terminal | Tux Machines | Apr 19 16:33 | |
| techrights-news | Firmware by default in Debian? Suggested by anti-RMS people. Maybe RMS wasn't their problem; maybe software freedom is something they don't agree with, so they go ad hominem | Apr 19 16:39 |
| techrights-news | Programming Leftovers • Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163907 | Apr 19 16:39 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Programming Leftovers | Tux Machines | Apr 19 16:39 | |
| techrights-news | Links 19/04/2022: Debian’s Latest Firmware Debate; RIP, Pedro Francisco (MasGNULinux) | Techrights ⚓ http://techrights.org/2022/04/19/rip-pedro-francisco-masgnulinux/ | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/04/19/rip-pedro-francisco-masgnulinux/ | Apr 19 16:43 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Links 19/04/2022: Debian’s Latest Firmware Debate; RIP, Pedro Francisco (MasGNULinux) | Techrights | Apr 19 16:43 | |
| techrights-news | Today’s 𝘛𝘶𝘹 𝘔𝘢𝘤𝘩𝘪𝘯𝘦𝘴 Leftovers • Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163908 | Apr 19 16:44 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's leftovers | Tux Machines | Apr 19 16:44 | |
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| MinceR | (cat) https://imgur.com/t/cats/RMQciWF | Apr 19 17:19 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Everything is chaos including these memes I have to get off my phone #2 - Album on Imgur | Apr 19 17:19 | |
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| SomeH4x0r | hi | Apr 19 17:48 |
| matey | hi | Apr 19 17:51 |
| matey | schestowitz-TR │ I didn't get the joke │ anyway, you left out the q and the plus <- they are implied. lg isnt inclusive enough because of bi-erasure and the lgb orgs selling out trans, when lgbt does too much to gloss over q+ issues then it wont be implied, it will be "necessary" (not sarcasm, just relative) | Apr 19 17:51 |
| matey | for example if youre looking for an lgbt org in the states to support, youre better off with pflag because of their record on trans representation | Apr 19 17:52 |
| matey | while theres another famous lgb org that is famous for selling them out, and theyre (probably) where all the terfs go, though im sure its not (strictly) a terf org | Apr 19 17:52 |
| matey | giving them money just says "sell out anyone who is trans, please" | Apr 19 17:52 |
| matey | of course i think all 501c3s sell people out eventually, but thats no reason to focus your support on the ones who do it first. if my only choices were to support osi or fsf it would still be fsf | Apr 19 17:53 |
| matey | the joke was about a quote about confucious who said "if the mat was not straight, the master would not sit" | Apr 19 17:54 |
| matey | and if its still not clear, explaining it wont help | Apr 19 17:54 |
| matey | also if your wife is chinese and she thinks your confucius jokes are funny, then you can get away with it | Apr 19 17:55 |
| matey | it wont help with a coc or the fake left, but theres no pleasing people on twitter anyway | Apr 19 17:56 |
| MinceR | http://www.engrish.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/explodes-the-large-intestine.jpg ( https://www.engrish.com/2020/11/dont-believe-it-c4-yourself/ ) | Apr 19 17:58 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.engrish.com | Don’t believe it? C4 yourself. | Apr 19 17:58 | |
| matey | the other thing thats arse backwards about a coc is that with its endless reach and scope, it practically says who youre allowed to speak to. of course this is in the enforcement, not the letter, but that doesnt mean its not implied or a logical outcome. zero tolerance policy is (by nature) difficult if not impossible to contain its own scope | Apr 19 18:06 |
| matey | and heres the big political problem with that | Apr 19 18:06 |
| matey | if its just about "events" as it starts out, whatever, right? but it goes farther. the scope "escapes" into the wild | Apr 19 18:07 |
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| DaemonFC | Okay, so I'm going to need to flush the coolant again. | Apr 19 18:08 |
| DaemonFC | GM has a TSB about this. | Apr 19 18:08 |
| matey | and then you know, it becomes a thought crime to talk to people, even/especially those you (passionately) disagree with | Apr 19 18:08 |
| DaemonFC | Old dirty DexCool can plug up the heater core. | Apr 19 18:08 |
| DaemonFC | Heater cores are expensive, so GM recommends trying a super coolant flush with Blue Devil first. | Apr 19 18:08 |
| DaemonFC | That's actually what they tell their dealers to use! | Apr 19 18:08 |
| matey | this drives wrongthink into more isolation, where it already has a cult-like nature | Apr 19 18:09 |
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| DaemonFC | Drain coolant, rinse, drain again, blue devil and water, run car for 4 hours with the heater on, and drain, fill and drain with water, then add 50/50 coolant. | Apr 19 18:09 |
| matey | without engaging with sanity, cults become even more dangerous and "potentially" violent | Apr 19 18:09 |
| DaemonFC | So I get to do that tomorrow. | Apr 19 18:09 |
| matey | so in the short run the coc keeps things "pure" but in the long run it guarantees bigger conflicts with extremists | Apr 19 18:10 |
| matey | it helps them recruit | Apr 19 18:10 |
| matey | cocs martyr people and the result is more cults of personality, even if theyre not violent ones | Apr 19 18:11 |
| matey | people think this is hyperbole, its not | Apr 19 18:12 |
| matey | school shooters are often motivated by suicide, they dont want to "go alone" | Apr 19 18:12 |
| matey | cocs pose a greater threat to people who already have angst and difficulties | Apr 19 18:13 |
| matey | than they do to those they claim to help us with | Apr 19 18:13 |
| matey | and above all they build a wall that dares the world to knock it down | Apr 19 18:14 |
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| matey | whenever you build a wall like that, you create more people devoted to bringing it down | Apr 19 18:14 |
| matey | then idiots say "theyre motivated by hate" | Apr 19 18:15 |
| matey | some are, absolutely | Apr 19 18:15 |
| matey | more of them just fucking hate walls | Apr 19 18:15 |
| matey | not all walls, but the dumbest ones to be sure | Apr 19 18:16 |
| matey | walls between germany and east germany | Apr 19 18:16 |
| matey | walls between users and their computer | Apr 19 18:16 |
| matey | walls between friends who make their own rules (within reason, but some people are never happy) | Apr 19 18:17 |
| matey | and the defenders of such nonsense have to play stupid, because its the only way to get away with it | Apr 19 18:17 |
| matey | devils advocate as a service | Apr 19 18:18 |
| matey | we take two evils-- hate and stupidity | Apr 19 18:18 |
| matey | we ban one and allowlist the other, for the sake of keeping out the first one | Apr 19 18:18 |
| matey | so no hate is allowed (yet some at least is truly harmless!) but we will allow whatever amount of stupidity it takes to make it happen | Apr 19 18:19 |
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| matey | but its a LOT of stupid. so much that only time will tell how much | Apr 19 18:19 |
| matey | it already destroyed the fsf, its just falling in slow motion | Apr 19 18:20 |
| matey | thats a lot of stupid. and the stupid will continue until society improves. | Apr 19 18:21 |
| matey | great plan | Apr 19 18:21 |
| matey | the people who say it will lead to stalinism are not only not exaggerating, and even right (maybe not for the right reasons, but correct nonetheless) but there are three (or more) examples from history, including stalinism itself | Apr 19 18:22 |
| matey | zero tolerance policy leads to idiocy and politics based around idiocy | Apr 19 18:23 |
| matey | politics based around idiocy and zero tolerance policy pave the way for leaders like stalin | Apr 19 18:23 |
| matey | this is what we learn from history | Apr 19 18:23 |
| matey | and you have people warning the world 100 years ago of the sort of shit we are seeing now, who were proven right by famines that killed millions | Apr 19 18:24 |
| matey | not that the coc will necessarily go that far of course | Apr 19 18:24 |
| matey | only that unchecked, it would | Apr 19 18:24 |
| matey | if it destroys free software and stops there, thats one thing i guess | Apr 19 18:24 |
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| matey | still a huge problem | Apr 19 18:25 |
| matey | the thing is, theres no "wait and see" point where it becomes an idea that isnt stupid, destructive and even self-defeating | Apr 19 18:25 |
| matey | its a plan that looks like a good (to some people) and will let them and everyone else down | Apr 19 18:25 |
| matey | but who wants to learn from history. thats boring. | Apr 19 18:25 |
| matey | its more fun to be right. | Apr 19 18:25 |
| matey | zero tolerance demands megalomania | Apr 19 18:27 |
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| matey | and putting qualifiers in zero tolerance policy only guarantees that the qualifiers will be ignored or occasionally used in a biased way | Apr 19 18:28 |
| matey | if they actually worked as qualifiers, it wouldnt be zero tolerance policy. the only purpose they serve is to make it look like its not | Apr 19 18:29 |
| matey | you only have to wait a little while to see the qualifiers dont work | Apr 19 18:29 |
| matey | they were never part of the actual purpose of the thing, and they are rarely used | Apr 19 18:29 |
| matey | a bit like sunset policy on the pat-riot act | Apr 19 18:30 |
| matey | the purpose of the sunset policy isnt to limit the amount of time its on the books | Apr 19 18:30 |
| matey | the purpose of the sunset policy is to make people think its safe to rip human rights policies in two, because we have sticky tape and will mend the "real" rules in a few years, dont worry | Apr 19 18:31 |
| matey | we always keep our promises. just ask the native americans. | Apr 19 18:31 |
| matey | native americans werent willing to abide by our reasonable and agreed upon community standards. so we just "showed them the door" as randall put it. | Apr 19 18:32 |
| matey | with africans it wasnt their fault they were on the land in the first place, but they COULDNT (it wasnt within their natural capabilities) to follow reasonable community standards | Apr 19 18:33 |
| matey | so we kept them away from a free society from the beginning. | Apr 19 18:33 |
| matey | the first time, with native americans, it was a fiction-- the community standards were a farce. | Apr 19 18:34 |
| matey | the second time, with africans, it was a fiction-- the standards of a "polite society" were a farce. it was as "polite" as regular beatings and human exploitation. | Apr 19 18:34 |
| matey | but the THIRD TIME, with the coc, the standards are REAL. NON-fiction. | Apr 19 18:35 |
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| matey | THIS TIME, we have a damned good reason. | Apr 19 18:35 |
| matey | so of course it will work out. | Apr 19 18:35 |
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| matey | its NOT built on pure hypocrisy and self-serving biases. | Apr 19 18:35 |
| matey | so be happy for that. its mandatory | Apr 19 18:35 |
| matey | (dfcs husband is conservative, but if he were british he would be mandytory) | Apr 19 18:36 |
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| matey | polite society lynches people. people who dont follow "community standards" get lynched | Apr 19 18:38 |
| matey | its a perfect system. | Apr 19 18:38 |
| matey | when people from the south talk about how it used to be, they wax romantic about it, its disgusting | Apr 19 18:40 |
| matey | they talk about how GENTEEL and POLITE it was | Apr 19 18:40 |
| matey | full of grace! | Apr 19 18:40 |
| matey | when people talk about trying to destroy stallmans life and career with lies | Apr 19 18:41 |
| matey | they talk about how they admire him and like him | Apr 19 18:41 |
| matey | he just wasnt right for the job. great guy though | Apr 19 18:41 |
| matey | its just a bit different than what they said before. | Apr 19 18:41 |
| matey | but you know, water under the bridge. just like doctor doctor doctor stockholm syndrome says. | Apr 19 18:41 |
| matey | doctor separate but equal | Apr 19 18:42 |
| matey | forward, to stalinism! | Apr 19 18:42 |
| matey | "but you must admit dr stallman, it beats an ice pick anyday" | Apr 19 18:43 |
| matey | "well, i dont think all ice picks are the same. if the ice pick is running free software at least, thats more ethical than an ice pick running non-free software" | Apr 19 18:44 |
| matey | thats what i like about lieplanet | Apr 19 18:44 |
| matey | its an ice pick running only free software. the very best kind. | Apr 19 18:44 |
| matey | schestowitz-TR │ now I need to solve CAPTCHAs │ w3c!!! │ fucking w3c!! | Apr 19 18:49 |
| matey | the captchas rely on standards-compliance in your browser, roy | Apr 19 18:49 |
| matey | if your browser openly respects community standards, you shouldnt need to solve a captcha | Apr 19 18:50 |
| matey | enable your standard features and continue. happiness is mandatory. the w3c is mother. the w3c is father. | Apr 19 18:50 |
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| matey | js is standard, roy. why do you fight against standards? | Apr 19 18:50 |
| matey | standards exist for the good of everyone. | Apr 19 18:51 |
| matey | schestowitz-TR │ That's like the Olympic committee pushing mcdonalds and coca cola <- and fascism | Apr 19 18:51 |
| matey | but its the other way around, mcdonalds and coca cola promote the olympics | Apr 19 18:51 |
| matey | mcdonalds <3 olympians | Apr 19 18:52 |
| matey | and since mcdonalds is microsoft, and microsoft is bill gates | Apr 19 18:52 |
| matey | microsoft <3 olympics | Apr 19 18:52 |
| matey | microsoft <3 standards | Apr 19 18:53 |
| matey | ibm <3 community | Apr 19 18:53 |
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| MinceR | (audio:important) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kADAHqaNRgw | Apr 19 19:24 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Invidious: https://y.com.sb/watch?v=kADAHqaNRgw | Apr 19 19:24 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> y.com.sb | The Tucker Testicle Tanner Is The Perfect Way To Re-Juice Your Carlsons - Invidious | Apr 19 19:24 | |
| *schestowitz-TR back | Apr 19 19:24 | |
| AdmFubar | you were gone? | Apr 19 19:25 |
| AdmFubar | https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2022/04/a-year-after-apple-enforces-app-tracking-policy-covert-ios-tracking-remains/ | Apr 19 19:26 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-arstechnica.com | Your iOS app may still be covertly tracking you, despite what Apple says | Ars Technica | Apr 19 19:26 | |
| schestowitz-TR | no way! | Apr 19 19:26 |
| schestowitz-TR | "iphone is privacy!|!!" | Apr 19 19:26 |
| schestowitz-TR | the ads say so | Apr 19 19:27 |
| MinceR | lol | Apr 19 19:28 |
| techrights-news | "It's really great to see Gemini mentioned and noticed outside of the pubnix/tildeverse/gopherspace/circumlunar communities. It comes up on Hacker News and lobste.rs quite frequently these days, I've seen it mentioned on Hackaday too." gemini://thelambdalab.xyz/phlog/2021-10-07-Gemini-roots.txt | Apr 19 19:30 |
| techrights-news | Introversion classic Darwinia gets remastered with better Steam Deck support | GamingOnLinux ⚓ https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/04/introversion-classic-darwinia-gets-remastered-with-better-steam-deck-support/ ䷉ Source: Gaming On Linux | GNU | Linux | Games | Apr 19 19:31 |
| -AltLink_97e/#techrights-📣 CloudFlare: gamingonlinux.com | 🙆 Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/04/introversion-classic-darwinia-gets-remastered-with-better-steam-deck-support/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/04/introversion-classic-darwinia-gets-remastered-with-better-steam-deck-support/ | Apr 19 19:31 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Introversion classic Darwinia gets remastered with better Steam Deck support | GamingOnLinux | Apr 19 19:31 | |
| SomeH4x0r | 16 players (I did count by nicknames, may be less) did connect to UplinkIRC today | Apr 19 19:32 |
| AdmFubar | https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/github-notifies-owners-of-private-repos-stolen-using-oauth-tokens/ | Apr 19 19:32 |
| -AltLink_97e/#techrights-📣 CloudFlare: bleepingcomputer.com | 🙆 Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/github-notifies-owners-of-private-repos-stolen-using-oauth-tokens/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/github-notifies-owners-of-private-repos-stolen-using-oauth-tokens/ | Apr 19 19:32 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.bleepingcomputer.com | GitHub notifies owners of private repos stolen using OAuth tokens | Apr 19 19:32 | |
| techrights-news | Wobbly Life looks like pure silly joy and it added Steam Deck support | GamingOnLinux ⚓ https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/04/wobbly-life-looks-like-pure-silly-joy-and-it-added-steam-deck-support/ ䷉ Source: Gaming On Linux | GNU | Linux | Games | Apr 19 19:33 |
| -AltLink_97e/#techrights-📣 CloudFlare: gamingonlinux.com | 🙆 Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/04/wobbly-life-looks-like-pure-silly-joy-and-it-added-steam-deck-support/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/04/wobbly-life-looks-like-pure-silly-joy-and-it-added-steam-deck-support/ | Apr 19 19:33 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Wobbly Life looks like pure silly joy and it added Steam Deck support | GamingOnLinux | Apr 19 19:33 | |
| SomeH4x0r | however, fuck it. I seen no difference, but they overwritten the game on GOG afaik, so people might have lost GNU/Linux support and older hardware support if they auto-update | Apr 19 19:33 |
| AdmFubar | UEFI oopsie doodles https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/lenovo-uefi-firmware-driver-bugs-affect-over-100-laptop-models/ | Apr 19 19:33 |
| -AltLink_97e/#techrights-📣 CloudFlare: bleepingcomputer.com | 🙆 Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/lenovo-uefi-firmware-driver-bugs-affect-over-100-laptop-models/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/lenovo-uefi-firmware-driver-bugs-affect-over-100-laptop-models/ | Apr 19 19:33 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.bleepingcomputer.com | Lenovo UEFI firmware driver bugs affect over 100 laptop models | Apr 19 19:33 | |
| techrights-news | "Hosted by Cristina Cochior, Karl Moubarak, Jara Rocha of The Cell for Digital Discomfort." https://www.fsf.org/events/libreplanet-workshop-april-25-installing-ourselves-into-libreplanet | Apr 19 19:34 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.fsf.org | LibrePlanet workshop - April 25 - Installing Ourselves into LibrePlanet — Free Software Foundation — Working together for free software | Apr 19 19:34 | |
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| techrights-news | Volla Phone 22 runs Ubuntu Touch or a privacy-focused Android fork... or both (crowdfunding) • Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163909 | Apr 19 19:36 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Volla Phone 22 runs Ubuntu Touch or a privacy-focused Android fork... or both (crowdfunding) | Tux Machines | Apr 19 19:36 | |
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| techrights-news | Switch to these open source apps if you’re stuck on Windows or Mac OS! - Invidious ⚓ https://yewtu.be/watch?v=uundIaRNJ6A ䷉ Source: Video | Invidious | Multimedia | Apr 19 19:37 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-yewtu.be | Switch to these open source apps if you're stuck on Windows or Mac OS! - Invidious | Apr 19 19:37 | |
| techrights-news | "In this video, I am going to show an overview of Ubuntu Budgie 22.04 LTS and some of the applications pre-installed." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cJKMx1c_Wpc | Apr 19 19:38 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Invidious: https://invidious.esmailelbob.xyz/watch?v=cJKMx1c_Wpc | Apr 19 19:38 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> invidious.esmailelbob.xyz | Ubuntu Budgie 22.04 LTS overview | Embrace the change - Invidious | Apr 19 19:38 | |
| techrights-news | Mourning Pedro Francisco • Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163910 | Apr 19 19:39 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Mourning Pedro Francisco | Tux Machines | Apr 19 19:39 | |
| AdmFubar | You are a robot aren't you? https://www.databreaches.net/web-scraping-is-legal-us-appeals-court-reaffirms/ | Apr 19 19:46 |
| -AltLink_97e/#techrights-📣 CloudFlare: databreaches.net | 🙆 Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.databreaches.net/web-scraping-is-legal-us-appeals-court-reaffirms/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.databreaches.net/web-scraping-is-legal-us-appeals-court-reaffirms/ | Apr 19 19:46 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.databreaches.net | Web scraping is legal, US appeals court reaffirms | Apr 19 19:46 | |
| techrights-news | With Fedora 36, there might be a new gold standard for Linux distributions • Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163911 | Apr 19 19:49 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | With Fedora 36, there might be a new gold standard for Linux distributions | Tux Machines | Apr 19 19:49 | |
| schestowitz-TR | AdmFubar: I guess it depends on reason and amount | Apr 19 19:51 |
| schestowitz-TR | rationalising it is usually not hard | Apr 19 19:51 |
| schestowitz-TR | and if it's paced down, it's not DDOS | Apr 19 19:51 |
| schestowitz-TR | that's just what the web does -- it serves pages | Apr 19 19:51 |
| DaemonFC | Okay, I just went over the entire car twice with no water car wash and some microfiber towels. | Apr 19 19:51 |
| DaemonFC | Very shiny. | Apr 19 19:51 |
| schestowitz-TR | Microsoft fought AGAINST it | Apr 19 19:51 |
| DaemonFC | I did a once over on the Impala too and got the bird shit and stuff off. | Apr 19 19:51 |
| schestowitz-TR | so you fell in love again | Apr 19 19:52 |
| schestowitz-TR | not the bird shit | Apr 19 19:52 |
| schestowitz-TR | the car | Apr 19 19:52 |
| DaemonFC | That stuff eats through car paint like battery acid because birds take a piss every time they shit. | Apr 19 19:52 |
| DaemonFC | I like this waterless wash stuff. | Apr 19 19:52 |
| DaemonFC | Much cheaper than going through the car wash every week. | Apr 19 19:52 |
| DaemonFC | And you save water and you'll do a better job because it's your car, and you don't need to worry about the rocks and shit from the truck in front of you scratching off all your finish. | Apr 19 19:53 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz-TR, Yeah, I like the car. | Apr 19 19:53 |
| DaemonFC | I'm going to have them flush the coolant out again tomorrow. The first flush actually seems to have clogged up the heater core. | Apr 19 19:53 |
| DaemonFC | So GM says use Blue Devil on it and leave it running with the heater on for 4 hours and flush again. | Apr 19 19:54 |
| techrights-news | Severity 9.8. But the media will ignore it unless "LINUX" something (FUD opportunity) https://www.cisa.gov/uscert/ics/advisories/icsa-21-119-04 | Apr 19 19:54 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.cisa.gov | Multiple RTOS (Update E) | CISA | Apr 19 19:54 | |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz-TR, You're supposed to flush the coolant every 5 years, but nobody does. | Apr 19 19:54 |
| DaemonFC | I've never come across a car before though where you go to flush it and it craps up the heater core. | Apr 19 19:54 |
| DaemonFC | It probably would have been a better idea to drain the radiator and the overflow tank out and just refill them with fresh coolant. | Apr 19 19:55 |
| DaemonFC | Do it again next year. | Apr 19 19:55 |
| DaemonFC | But...meh. | Apr 19 19:55 |
| DaemonFC | Live and learn I guess. | Apr 19 19:55 |
| techrights-news | Advance your penetration testing skills by mastering Kali Linux - Help Net Security ⚓ https://www.helpnetsecurity.com/2022/04/15/penetration-testing-mastering-kali-linux-video/ ䷉ Source: helpnetsecurity | Apr 19 19:56 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.helpnetsecurity.com | Advance your penetration testing skills by mastering Kali Linux - Help Net Security | Apr 19 19:56 | |
| DaemonFC | bbiab | Apr 19 19:56 |
| techrights-news | Low attack complexity/exploitable remotely https://www.cisa.gov/uscert/ics/advisories/icsa-22-109-02 | Apr 19 19:57 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.cisa.gov | Automated Logic WebCTRL | CISA | Apr 19 19:57 | |
| techrights-news | Google #Android Leftovers • Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163912 | Apr 19 19:58 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Android Leftovers | Tux Machines | Apr 19 19:58 | |
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| techrights-news | Gulag posing as security firm (while spying for the NSA, FBI etc.) https://googleprojectzero.blogspot.com/2022/04/the-more-you-know-more-you-know-you.html | Apr 19 20:00 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-googleprojectzero.blogspot.com | Project Zero: The More You Know, The More You Know You Don’t Know | Apr 19 20:00 | |
| techrights-news | Sanctions & the End of a Financial Era with John Titus https://unlimitedhangout.com/2022/04/podcasts/sanctions-the-end-of-a-financial-era-with-john-titus-2/ | Apr 19 20:04 |
| -AltLink_97e/#techrights-📣 CloudFlare: unlimitedhangout.com | 🙆 Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://unlimitedhangout.com/2022/04/podcasts/sanctions-the-end-of-a-financial-era-with-john-titus-2/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://unlimitedhangout.com/2022/04/podcasts/sanctions-the-end-of-a-financial-era-with-john-titus-2/ | Apr 19 20:04 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-unlimitedhangout.com | Sanctions & the End of a Financial Era with John Titus | Apr 19 20:04 | |
| techrights-news | This chocolate bunny screams when it’s eaten | Arduino Blog ⚓ https://blog.arduino.cc/2022/04/19/this-chocolate-bunny-screams-when-its-eaten/ ䷉ Source: Arduino | Hardware | OpenHardware | Hacking | Apr 19 20:05 |
| -AltLink_97e/#techrights-📣 CloudFlare: arduino.cc | 🙆 Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://blog.arduino.cc/2022/04/19/this-chocolate-bunny-screams-when-its-eaten/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://blog.arduino.cc/2022/04/19/this-chocolate-bunny-screams-when-its-eaten/ | Apr 19 20:05 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.arduino.cc | This chocolate bunny screams when it's eaten | Arduino Blog | Apr 19 20:05 | |
| techrights-news | Today’s #HowTos | #UNIX • Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163913 | Apr 19 20:05 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's howtos | Tux Machines | Apr 19 20:05 | |
| techrights-news | WordPress 6.0 Beta 2 • Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163914 | Apr 19 20:09 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | WordPress 6.0 Beta 2 | Tux Machines | Apr 19 20:09 | |
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| AdmFubar | this id system certainly has its flaws | Apr 19 20:10 |
| AdmFubar | https://www.firstpost.com/tech/news-analysis/check-the-number-of-sim-cards-issued-on-your-aadhaar-number-with-these-simple-steps-10573921.html | Apr 19 20:10 |
| -AltLink_97e/#techrights-📣 CloudFlare: firstpost.com | 🙆 Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.firstpost.com/tech/news-analysis/check-the-number-of-sim-cards-issued-on-your-aadhaar-number-with-these-simple-steps-10573921.html https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.firstpost.com/tech/news-analysis/check-the-number-of-sim-cards-issued-on-your-aadhaar-number-with-these-simple-steps-10573921.html | Apr 19 20:10 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Check the number of SIM cards issued on your Aadhaar number with these simple steps- Technology News, Firstpost | Apr 19 20:10 | |
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| techrights-ipfs-bot | ▕ IPFS downstream, 60 mins: ▃▄▃▅▄▂▄▅▇▇█▃▃▄▅▆▆▁▁▄▃▆▆▁▂▂▃▁▅▅▂▁ avg(k/sec) 21.61 ▕ IPFS upstream: ▁▁▁▂▂▁▂▁▁▁▁▂▇▁▂▃▂▂▂▁█▁▁▁▂▁▂█▁▂▁▁█▂▂▁▁ avg(k/sec) 36.48▕ swarm size (avg): 331.98 ⟲ | Apr 19 20:10 |
| AdmFubar | https://www.firstpost.com/tech/news-analysis/explained-why-windows-11-failed-to-take-off-like-windows-7-and-10-10569611.html | Apr 19 20:11 |
| -AltLink_97e/#techrights-📣 CloudFlare: firstpost.com | 🙆 Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.firstpost.com/tech/news-analysis/explained-why-windows-11-failed-to-take-off-like-windows-7-and-10-10569611.html https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.firstpost.com/tech/news-analysis/explained-why-windows-11-failed-to-take-off-like-windows-7-and-10-10569611.html | Apr 19 20:11 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Explained: Why Windows 11 Failed To Take Off Like Windows 7 and 10- Technology News, Firstpost | Apr 19 20:11 | |
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| MinceR | https://ircz.de/p/22041619 | Apr 19 20:17 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living https://i.redd.it/9hbt8dzg0nt81.jpg created on 2022-04-16 07:03:38.587988 | Apr 19 20:17 | |
| AdmFubar | this is not a pregnant man... he has a beer gut! (why have a 6 pack when you can have a whole barrel?) https://www.firstpost.com/tech/news-analysis/apple-releases-pregnant-man-other-gender-neutral-emojis-twitter-schools-them-in-biology-10572021.html | Apr 19 20:23 |
| -AltLink_97e/#techrights-📣 CloudFlare: firstpost.com | 🙆 Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.firstpost.com/tech/news-analysis/apple-releases-pregnant-man-other-gender-neutral-emojis-twitter-schools-them-in-biology-10572021.html https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.firstpost.com/tech/news-analysis/apple-releases-pregnant-man-other-gender-neutral-emojis-twitter-schools-them-in-biology-10572021.html | Apr 19 20:23 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Apple Releases A Pregnant Man & Other Gender-Neutral Emojis, Twitter Schools Them In Biology- Technology News, Firstpost | Apr 19 20:23 | |
| MinceR | "Can u get pregante?" | Apr 19 20:24 |
| schestowitz-TR | Monty Python: I'm pregnant! and so is my wife! | Apr 19 20:24 |
| MinceR | :> | Apr 19 20:25 |
| schestowitz-TR | anyway, this is troll dynamite | Apr 19 20:25 |
| schestowitz-TR | no wonder they mention the twitter circus | Apr 19 20:25 |
| schestowitz-TR | Musk Social | Apr 19 20:25 |
| schestowitz-TR | I'd rather focus on 2 videos I'm about to record | Apr 19 20:25 |
| schestowitz-TR | one is about Debian and firmware | Apr 19 20:25 |
| schestowitz-TR | the other will be tidelift | Apr 19 20:25 |
| schestowitz-TR | Ubuntu will have an LTS soon | Apr 19 20:26 |
| schestowitz-TR | but it doesn't look like many people care | Apr 19 20:26 |
| techrights-news | Exploitable remotely/low attack complexity https://www.cisa.gov/uscert/ics/advisories/icsa-22-109-03 | Apr 19 20:27 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.cisa.gov | FANUC ROBOGUIDE Simulation Platform | CISA | Apr 19 20:27 | |
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| techrights-news | "Folder".... "SYSTEM level privileges access"... yes, we're talking about Windows again, but NSA and CISA won't name that in a negative context. They want back-doored POS universally deployed. | Apr 19 20:28 |
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| techrights-news | Severity: 9.8. "COMPANY HEADQUARTERS LOCATION: Russia" (so US espionage agencies now care about Russian holes?) https://www.cisa.gov/uscert/ics/advisories/icsa-22-109-04 | Apr 19 20:33 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.cisa.gov | Elcomplus SmartPPT SCADA | CISA | Apr 19 20:33 | |
| techrights-news | Why JavaScript is a POS from a security POV. https://www.cisa.gov/uscert/ics/advisories/icsa-22-109-05 | Apr 19 20:34 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.cisa.gov | Elcomplus SmartPPT SCADA Server | CISA | Apr 19 20:34 | |
| techrights-news | [PATCH 0/2] drm/nvdla: Add driver support for NVDLA - Cai Huoqing ⚓ https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/20220419135908.39606-1-cai.huoqing@linux.dev/ ䷉ Source: linux | Apr 19 20:35 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lore.kernel.org | [PATCH 0/2] drm/nvdla: Add driver support for NVDLA - Cai Huoqing | Apr 19 20:35 | |
| techrights-news | "Imposter syndrome is an insidious problem within software communities. Many of us, especially members of marginalized communities, struggle to shake the feeling that we aren't as qualified as our peers. This makes us feel unqualified and undeserving compared to those around us." https://blog.rust-lang.org/inside-rust/2022/04/19/imposter-syndrome.html | Apr 19 20:36 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.rust-lang.org | Imposter Syndrome | Inside Rust Blog | Apr 19 20:36 | |
| schestowitz | Ariadne: https://blog.arduino.cc/2022/04/19/this-chocolate-bunny-screams-when-its-eaten/ | Apr 19 20:36 |
| -AltLink_97e/#techrights-📣 CloudFlare: arduino.cc | 🙆 Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://blog.arduino.cc/2022/04/19/this-chocolate-bunny-screams-when-its-eaten/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://blog.arduino.cc/2022/04/19/this-chocolate-bunny-screams-when-its-eaten/ | Apr 19 20:36 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.arduino.cc | This chocolate bunny screams when it's eaten | Arduino Blog | Apr 19 20:36 | |
| techrights-news | Bottles - Run Windows software on Linux with Bottles | Linux.org ⚓ https://www.linux.org/threads/bottles-run-windows-software-on-linux-with-bottles.39294/ ䷉ Source: linux | Apr 19 20:37 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Bottles - Run Windows software on Linux with Bottles | Linux.org | Apr 19 20:37 | |
| techrights-news | Coming of Age: Desktop Organization with Plasma Activities • Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163915 | Apr 19 20:39 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Coming of Age: Desktop Organization with Plasma Activities | Tux Machines | Apr 19 20:39 | |
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| techrights-news | The LF "diploma mill" adds new "products" https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/tars-certification-testing-microservices-expertise-now-available-301528288.html see http://techrights.org/2021/09/23/lf-diploma-mill-and-narrative-control-by-fake-research/ | Apr 19 20:41 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.prnewswire.com | TARS Certification Testing Microservices Expertise Now Available | Apr 19 20:41 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Linux Foundation and Other ‘Diploma Mills’ Say There’s Demand for Their Products in Their New ‘Research’ (Marketing) | Techrights | Apr 19 20:41 | |
| techrights-news | Welcome Node.js 18 ⚓ https://www.redhat.com/en/blog/welcome-nodejs-18 ䷉ Red Hat | ICBM on BloatJS | Apr 19 20:42 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.redhat.com | Welcome Node.js 18 | Apr 19 20:42 | |
| techrights-news | More BuzzwordOps https://www.redhat.com/en/blog/argocd-and-gitops-whats-next | Apr 19 20:42 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.redhat.com | ArgoCD and GitOps: What’s next? | Apr 19 20:42 | |
| techrights-news | Paradox announce Crusader Kings III: Fate of Iberia and Surviving Mars Content Packs | GamingOnLinux ⚓ https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/04/paradox-announce-crusader-kings-iii-fate-of-iberia-and-surviving-mars-content-packs/ ䷉ Source: Gaming On Linux | GNU | Linux | Games | Apr 19 20:46 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Paradox announce Crusader Kings III: Fate of Iberia and Surviving Mars Content Packs | GamingOnLinux | Apr 19 20:46 | |
| techrights-news | WTH is the point of "Open Source" whose whole purpose is advancing proprietary software of criminals (Microsoft)? https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/04/minecraft-launcher-polymc-120-out-now-supporting-the-quilt-loader/ | Apr 19 20:50 |
| -AltLink_97e/#techrights-📣 CloudFlare: gamingonlinux.com | 🙆 Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/04/minecraft-launcher-polymc-120-out-now-supporting-the-quilt-loader/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/04/minecraft-launcher-polymc-120-out-now-supporting-the-quilt-loader/ | Apr 19 20:50 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Minecraft launcher PolyMC 1.2.0 out now supporting the Quilt loader | GamingOnLinux | Apr 19 20:50 | |
| techrights-news | Security Leftovers • Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163916 | Apr 19 20:50 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Security Leftovers | Tux Machines | Apr 19 20:50 | |
| techrights-news | Games: Wobbly Life, Darwinia, Crusader Kings III, and Bottles • Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163917 | Apr 19 20:51 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Games: Wobbly Life, Darwinia, Crusader Kings III, and Bottles | Tux Machines | Apr 19 20:51 | |
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| DaemonFC | I may get a five gallon drum of waterless car wash concentrate. | Apr 19 20:57 |
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| AdmFubar | https://www.maketecheasier.com/brata-malware/ | Apr 19 21:13 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.maketecheasier.com | Brata Malware Steals Your Money, then Activates Kill Switch - Make Tech Easier | Apr 19 21:13 | |
| techrights-news | Not updated in almost a week!! Our regime does not want to share data on COVID-19 with us, it's just not a priority because of holidays as if the virus takes a "break" https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/healthcare?areaType=overview&areaName=United%20Kingdom | Apr 19 21:40 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 403 @ https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/healthcare?areaType=overview&areaName=United%20Kingdom ) | Apr 19 21:40 | |
| techrights-news | British government is "not available" "not available" "not available" "not available" when it comes to COVID-19 https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/deaths?areaType=overview&areaName=United%20Kingdom they use the graphs to present the LACK of data as a "decline" | Apr 19 21:41 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 403 @ https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/deaths?areaType=overview&areaName=United%20Kingdom ) | Apr 19 21:41 | |
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| activelow | GNOME/GTK are a prime example, how cmake and c++ poisoned the depedency graph | Apr 19 21:47 |
| MinceR | gnome and gtk have bigger problems than c++ | Apr 19 21:53 |
| MinceR | like systemd, udisks and dbugs | Apr 19 21:53 |
| activelow | systemd/dbus/... are solved | Apr 19 21:54 |
| MinceR | not in gnome | Apr 19 21:55 |
| MinceR | and neither is the fact that they betrayed gimp | Apr 19 21:55 |
| activelow | yes, i only try to keep GTK2/3, gnome is hopeless | Apr 19 21:56 |
| MinceR | and you don't mind having half a window manager in gtk3? | Apr 19 21:58 |
| activelow | gtk2/3 aren't a window manager, gtk is a widget toolkit | Apr 19 21:59 |
| activelow | and i found a suitable window manager, which doesn't depend on anything such as cmake,c++,systemd/dbus | Apr 19 21:59 |
| MinceR | gtk3 has half a window manager in it so that it can support CSD | Apr 19 22:01 |
| activelow | csd? | Apr 19 22:01 |
| MinceR | client side decorations | Apr 19 22:01 |
| MinceR | Qt has another half for the same reason | Apr 19 22:01 |
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| activelow | the only reason, currently, i am trying to keep GTK2/3, is netsurf browser | Apr 19 22:02 |
| activelow | and it was a challenge too, finding a suitable terminal-emulator for x11, which is clean | Apr 19 22:03 |
| MinceR | afaict all terminal emulators are garbage | Apr 19 22:03 |
| MinceR | the one i'm using right now leaves blue pixels on my trackbar from time to time | Apr 19 22:04 |
| activelow | xterm was OK, yet cannot use it anymore because it didn't support legacy BSD pty anymore last time i tried | Apr 19 22:04 |
| MinceR | xterm hurts my eyes | Apr 19 22:04 |
| activelow | thing is, GTK2/3 developers knew what they were doing, to implement it in C, not c++; | Apr 19 22:07 |
| activelow | now, harfbuzz dependency attached, and freaks out | Apr 19 22:07 |
| MinceR | yeah, it was pure genius to reimplement OOP in C | Apr 19 22:07 |
| MinceR | not wasted effort and not bug-prone at all | Apr 19 22:08 |
| activelow | other ones are ICU library, cmake | Apr 19 22:08 |
| activelow | i don't recall GTK2/3 reporting many bugs, related to choice of C language | Apr 19 22:08 |
| MinceR | if only the people who came up with C++ had known that the right way to implement the things they wanted was to hack them up in a library for C | Apr 19 22:08 |
| activelow | glib iirc | Apr 19 22:09 |
| MinceR | gobject | Apr 19 22:09 |
| activelow | anyway, harfbuzz 2.7 is implemented in C++; either i can remove it, or downgrade to an earlier version without c++, or GTK3 is gone | Apr 19 22:10 |
| schestowitz-TR | xterm is not just ugly, MinceR | Apr 19 22:11 |
| schestowitz-TR | there are many purely practical limitations in it | Apr 19 22:12 |
| schestowitz-TR | and each time I 'mistakenly' start xterm I sooner or later recall why it's an accident | Apr 19 22:12 |
| schestowitz-TR | or mistake to start it | Apr 19 22:12 |
| schestowitz-TR | some very basic functionality is absent | Apr 19 22:12 |
| schestowitz-TR | not visual stuff | Apr 19 22:12 |
| activelow | if xterm is configured with a decent font and color scheme it is good, same with rxvt | Apr 19 22:13 |
| activelow | yet, those are configured with xresources, not gtk/qt | Apr 19 22:13 |
| schestowitz-TR | but it's not about fonts | Apr 19 22:13 |
| activelow | fonts, unicode, termcaps, i didn't have problems with xterm, which couldn't be solved | Apr 19 22:13 |
| activelow | and, xterm is fast, with async scrolling | Apr 19 22:14 |
| techrights-news | "I've been a big fan of ferdi for a very long time it's a great open source project but out of seemingly nowhere the project, the twitter, website, github and everything else completely vanished along with the open collective being archived." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bmmj5JDRCUg | Apr 19 22:15 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Invidious: https://youtube.076.ne.jp/watch?v=Bmmj5JDRCUg | Apr 19 22:15 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> youtube.076.ne.jp | My Favourite Open Source Project Just Vanished? - Invidious | Apr 19 22:15 | |
| techrights-news | New GNU/Linux and Free Software Videos • Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163918 | Apr 19 22:17 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | New GNU/Linux and Free Software Videos | Tux Machines | Apr 19 22:17 | |
| MinceR | xterm can't even see decent fonts | Apr 19 22:17 |
| MinceR | and if rxvt is anything like urxvt, then it's slow as molasses | Apr 19 22:18 |
| techrights-news | 22718 Microsoft / Windows / Microsoft Windows Print Spooler Privilege Escalation Vulnerability https://us-cert.cisa.gov/ncas/current-activity/2022/04/19/cisa-adds-three-known-exploited-vulnerabilities-catalog | Apr 19 22:18 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.cisa.gov | CISA Adds Three Known Exploited Vulnerabilities to Catalog | CISA | Apr 19 22:18 | |
| activelow | both urxvt and xterm were fast and stable here; if they're slow, then it is probably not xterm or urxvt at fault | Apr 19 22:19 |
| activelow | for example, i chose the fbdev xorg video output, which is much faster, independent from the terminal emulator | Apr 19 22:20 |
| activelow | with fbdev, if the kernel framebuffer device driver is fast, which it is, then xterm or urxvt are too | Apr 19 22:21 |
| activelow | currently, i prefer urxvt, because with it legacy BSD pty support remained | Apr 19 22:21 |
| activelow | anyway, the problem is GTK3, and harfbuzz | Apr 19 22:23 |
| MinceR | "here" is probably a lot faster than an rpi1 so you can't really see how glacially slow urxvt is | Apr 19 22:26 |
| MinceR | libvte and konsole were both far faster | Apr 19 22:26 |
| activelow | cortex a53, no opengl, raw framebuffer xorg/fbdev | Apr 19 22:29 |
| activelow | ironically, with the modesetting/opengl support active, xterm was slower on this device, than 2d-only/fbdev without any "acceleration" | Apr 19 22:30 |
| activelow | i don't think it is xterm at fault, xterm was used on humble device with far less RAM; the RPI1 is a relatively powerful device already | Apr 19 22:30 |
| activelow | whatever the problem was, it probably wasn't xterm nor the RPI1 at fault | Apr 19 22:31 |
| activelow | anyway, GTK3, demands harfbuzz, and there isn't any harfbuzz version implemented in C; next i'll try to remove harfbuzz dependency from GTK3 | Apr 19 22:34 |
| activelow | if this is not possible, then GTK3 is dead | Apr 19 22:34 |
| activelow | it cannot remain inside base system then | Apr 19 22:34 |
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| activelow | gtk->pango->harfbuzz | Apr 19 22:39 |
| activelow | that's the irony, GTK developers implemented gobject to avoid c++, and then harfbuzz locked in written in c++ | Apr 19 22:43 |
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| DaemonFC | https://www.tsbsearch.com/Chevrolet/PIT5818 | Apr 19 22:49 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tsbsearch.com | PIT5818 Chevrolet Technical Service Bulletin | Apr 19 22:49 | |
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| DaemonFC | https://wgntv.com/news/coronavirus/illinois-drops-mask-mandate-to-align-with-court-ruling/ | Apr 19 23:08 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-wgntv.com | Illinois drops mask mandate to align with court ruling | WGN-TV | Apr 19 23:08 | |
| DaemonFC | I replied: And just before the election, the Democrats saw the polls and it went away, and here's $50 from Prickster, and we'll "freeze" the gas tax until exactly after the election is over, and whatever you need for the next few months. Yeah sure you betcha snookums." | Apr 19 23:08 |
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| DaemonFC | https://wgntv.com/news/south-carolina-inmate-picks-firing-squad-over-electric-chair-2/ | Apr 19 23:10 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-wgntv.com | South Carolina inmate picks firing squad over electric chair | WGN-TV | Apr 19 23:10 | |
| DaemonFC | I replied: He shot his victim, he doesn't even deny it. The injustice is that it took 23 years for him to die the same way when it should have happened in 1999 in the convenience store, while the clerk went home to his family. | Apr 19 23:10 |
| schestowitz-TR | going out with a bang | Apr 19 23:12 |
| schestowitz-TR | leaving more impact, too | Apr 19 23:12 |
| schestowitz-TR | being one of the first in a long time | Apr 19 23:12 |
| schestowitz-TR | "Fame at last!" | Apr 19 23:12 |
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| techrights-news | Debian GNU/Linux Means Free as in Freedom, But the Firmware Question Remains Relevant | Techrights ⚓ http://techrights.org/2022/04/19/proprietary-firmware-debian/ | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/04/19/proprietary-firmware-debian/ | Apr 19 23:19 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Debian GNU/Linux Means Free as in Freedom, But the Firmware Question Remains Relevant | Techrights | Apr 19 23:19 | |
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| DaemonFC | schestowitz-TR, I was reading about the GM Iron Duke Inline 4 earlier. | Apr 19 23:24 |
| DaemonFC | They should have just kept making those. | Apr 19 23:24 |
| DaemonFC | But that's what a company that wants you to have a trouble free car for a while would do. | Apr 19 23:25 |
| DaemonFC | Apparently some of them were performance models with 3 liters of displacement, making them comparable in performance to a small V6. | Apr 19 23:25 |
| DaemonFC | There's really no point making a V6 that has less than about 2.8 liters of displacement, so when I saw that GM had a 3 liter Iron Duke, that interested me. | Apr 19 23:26 |
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| techrights-news | LibrePlanet workshop - May 16 - Software localization (translation) of web-based project https://www.fsf.org/events/libreplanet-workshop-may-16-software-localization-translation-of-web-based-projects | Apr 19 23:31 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.fsf.org | LibrePlanet workshop - May 16 - Software localization (translation) of web-based projects — Free Software Foundation — Working together for free software | Apr 19 23:31 | |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz-TR, If this was green coolant and not orange, the entire system would be corroded to the point of the car not even working anymore. | Apr 19 23:34 |
| DaemonFC | Which is a big reason why they switched to orange. | Apr 19 23:34 |
| techrights-news | Tidelift is Connected to Microsoft and It Does Not Spread a Positive Message for the Free/Open Source Community | Techrights ⚓ http://techrights.org/2022/04/19/tidelift-concern-troll/ | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/04/19/tidelift-concern-troll/ | Apr 19 23:40 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Tidelift is Connected to Microsoft and It Does Not Spread a Positive Message for the Free/Open Source Community | Techrights | Apr 19 23:40 | |
| activelow | it is font-rendering library harfbuzz which terminated GTK2/3 support without c++ | Apr 19 23:42 |
| activelow | which is irritating, because font-rendering otherwise is available, including truetype for X11, however that's not good enough for GTK2/3 anymore, which insists on pango/harfbuzz | Apr 19 23:43 |
| activelow | at least i know, who and what the trouble source is: harfbuzz | Apr 19 23:44 |
| activelow | facebook, google, red hat, gnome | Apr 19 23:45 |
| activelow | and it is noteworthy, because harfbuzz being implemented with c++ is inconsistent with GTK and gobject | Apr 19 23:47 |
| activelow | if at least harfbuzz was _optional_, it isn't, this was drilled as a coffin nail into GTK | Apr 19 23:47 |
| activelow | long before systemd/dbus, which are optional, this could be removed from GTK, harfbuzz cannot without re-implementing this | Apr 19 23:48 |
| techrights-news | Today in #Techrights • Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163919 | Apr 19 23:48 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Today in Techrights | Tux Machines | Apr 19 23:48 | |
| activelow | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Behdad_Esfahbod | Apr 19 23:52 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Behdad Esfahbod - Wikipedia | Apr 19 23:52 | |
| activelow | Seyed Behdad Esfahbod MirHosseinZadeh Sarabi | Apr 19 23:52 |
| activelow | he has led are the Cairo, fontconfig, HarfBuzz, and Pango libraries | Apr 19 23:52 |
| activelow | was arrested by the Islamic Revolutionary Guards Corps intelligence | Apr 19 23:52 |
| activelow | Iranian security forces let him go based on his promise to spy on his friends once he was back in the United States | Apr 19 23:52 |
| DaemonFC | https://fortwayne.craigslist.org/ctd/d/kokomo-2005-ford-crown-victoria-standard/7472863898.html | Apr 19 23:52 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-fortwayne.craigslist.org | 2005 Ford Crown Victoria Standard - cars & trucks - by dealer -... | Apr 19 23:52 | |
| DaemonFC | https://fortwayne.craigslist.org/ctd/d/churubusco-sporty-luxury-2004-mercedes/7472055022.html | Apr 19 23:54 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-fortwayne.craigslist.org | SPORTY LUXURY!! 2004 MERCEDES-BENZ S500 4MATIC ALL WHEEL DRIVE!! -... | Apr 19 23:54 | |
| DaemonFC | Mercedes is at least better than BMW if you have to have a German luxury car. | Apr 19 23:54 |
| activelow | long story short: GTK will be removed from the base system, once and for all; the pango/harfbuzz/c++ dependency chain is unacceptable | Apr 19 23:54 |
| activelow | besides, farsi and arab font rendering aren't particularly important, and were available without harfbuzz before | Apr 19 23:55 |
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| SomeH4x0r | hi | Apr 19 23:55 |
| schestowitz-TR | 0/ | Apr 19 23:56 |
| schestowitz-TR | hello all, shop closed ;p | Apr 19 23:56 |
| SomeH4x0r | matey: can't remember if you were here when I said it, UplinkIRC had a lot of strangers today, though not really useful anyway. | Apr 19 23:56 |
| matey | okay | Apr 19 23:57 |
| matey | i saw your friend by the way | Apr 19 23:57 |
| matey | borto | Apr 19 23:57 |
| matey | activelow │ long story short: GTK will be removed from the base system \o/ | Apr 19 23:57 |
| matey | bye, gtk | Apr 19 23:58 |
| SomeH4x0r | yes, they appeared once, and today they didn't appear anywhere | Apr 19 23:58 |
| matey | i havent paid any attention to borto yet, but i noticed he was here and i didnt ignore him | Apr 19 23:58 |
| matey | if he comes back ill probably notice | Apr 19 23:58 |
| matey | i dont know him you know | Apr 19 23:58 |
| activelow | matey: it is even more interesting _why_ it must be removed | Apr 19 23:59 |
| activelow | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Behdad_Esfahbod | Apr 19 23:59 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Behdad Esfahbod - Wikipedia | Apr 19 23:59 | |
| matey | activelow │ which is irritating, because font-rendering otherwise is available, including truetype for X11, however that's not good enough for GTK2/3 anymore, which insists on pango/harfbuzz <- ive been whinging about harfbuzz for a year | Apr 19 23:59 |
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