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brabo/fnDad: smell this maple syrupJul 21 00:00
CrystalMathbrabo/fn: if you didn't get it from me you'd get it from someone elseJul 21 00:01
Dad/fnim actually not worried about getting it.  survival rate is well above 99%Jul 21 00:01
brabo/fnCrystalMath: and while that may be true, others ignorant behaviour does not justify yoursJul 21 00:01
brabo/fnif everyone thinks that way, we're all fuckedJul 21 00:02
CrystalMathbrabo/fn: it's a coronavirus, they spread amazingly well, you simply will get itJul 21 00:02
CrystalMathsometimes my principle is "never give up, never surrender"...Jul 21 00:02
MinceRwe're overrun by parasites yet we're not dead yetJul 21 00:02
brabo/fnand that is why some basic measures can help avoid that..Jul 21 00:02
MinceRwe have parasites such as politicians, suits and cultistsJul 21 00:02
CrystalMathbut when it comes to natural stuff, it's more like "always give up, always surrender" :PJul 21 00:02
XRevan86MinceR: CrystalMath only cares when they do actual harmJul 21 00:03
schestowitzCrystalMath: do you want HIV?Jul 21 00:03
XRevan86the rest of society is a polar oppositeJul 21 00:03
MinceRCrystalMath: you got that Galaxy Quest quote wrongJul 21 00:03
MinceRhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SJ2hJezvd2IJul 21 00:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Never give up! Never surrender! - YouTubeJul 21 00:03
Dad/fnin this context, our immune systems are a product of millions of years of survival selection in an ongoing war between macro life and micro life.  we have evidence of viruses in our dna that predate our species.  then, a hundred years or so of facilitating (from nature's view) adverse selection and a coronovirus is putting us on our ass.  i wonder if we'll have enough juice left for whatever is next.Jul 21 00:04
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kingoffranceyou're playing with fire. thats one small step to never gonna give you up :)Jul 21 00:04
XRevan86Dad: The myriad of side effects is also of no concern?Jul 21 00:04
CrystalMathschestowitz: do i *want* HIV, tbh i was thinking about it as a possible way to guarantee an early death, but actually it's so painful and horrible that it might not be worth it; also without treatment (which is how i go through life) death can come very fastJul 21 00:04
CrystalMathso the answer is no actuallyJul 21 00:04
CrystalMathi'd rather die a different wayJul 21 00:05
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brabo/fnhey Dad, you clearly snuck in a pun towards me, how about answering? or shall i just send you a flowers with mapple syrup over them?Jul 21 00:05
Dad/fnXRevan86 most people people who contract it aren't even aware they did and have no symptomsJul 21 00:05
MinceR> i wonder if we'll have enough juice left for whatever is next.Jul 21 00:05
MinceRi hope notJul 21 00:05
MinceRhumanity is a menaceJul 21 00:05
XRevan86Dad: 99.9%?Jul 21 00:05
Dad/fnXRevan86 im not sure of exact numbers, i know it's high 90'sJul 21 00:06
MinceRhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kgv7U3GYlDYJul 21 00:06
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-What a Savings - YouTubeJul 21 00:06
Dad/fnthe danger from coronavirus was never loss of life, that was propaganda.  the danger was overload to our medical infrastructure for that small fraction that was impacted by itJul 21 00:06
MinceRoverloading our medical infrastructure would have led to loss of lifeJul 21 00:07
Dad/fnyepJul 21 00:07
MinceRalso, there's PASCJul 21 00:07
Dad/fnits primary vs secondary thoughJul 21 00:07
CrystalMathschestowitz: but if i do get HIV, i won't sent complaints anywhere, i will just write a goodbye note here before my brain goes awayJul 21 00:08
CrystalMath*sendJul 21 00:08
Dad/fnwestern medical infra needs an overhaul anyway.  they're killing a ton of people by what should be malpractice.Jul 21 00:08
Dad/fnim sad today.  i wanted to go to the range tonight but i forgot to do laundry.Jul 21 00:10
brabo/fnDad: ah is the range all you got after the AF refused you and courtney dumped you? i pity you..Jul 21 00:10
brabo/fnat least you got that nice lake closeby to cool offJul 21 00:12
Dad/fnso are you guys covering the bezos rocket thing?Jul 21 00:13
Dad/fnkind of an austin powers momentJul 21 00:14
Dad/fnhttps://insider-voice.com/wp-content/uploads/106878484-1620221205794-blueorigin_newshepard_ns10_launchweb.jpegJul 21 00:14
MinceRlolJul 21 00:15
Dad/fnMinceR, first thing I thought was: https://youtu.be/CpiP_jN1Pv4Jul 21 00:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Austin powers - it looks like a giant..... - YouTubeJul 21 00:15
MinceR:)Jul 21 00:16
Dad/fnwhat an oddly phallic designJul 21 00:17
Dad/fnlike how is that not deliberateJul 21 00:17
Dad/fnseems like you could have some fun with thatJul 21 00:18
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techrights-newsThousands of #penguins crowding near Ukrainian polar station https://www.ukrinform.net/rubric-society/3283216-thousands-of-penguins-crowding-near-ukrainian-polar-station.htmlJul 21 00:24
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.ukrinform.net | Thousands of penguins crowding near Ukrainian polar stationJul 21 00:24
techrights-newsDesign for Disassembly: This Old Idea is the Wave of the Future https://www.core77.com/posts/109506/Design-for-Disassembly-This-Old-Idea-is-the-Wave-of-the-FutureJul 21 00:24
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Design for Disassembly: This Old Idea is the Wave of the Future - Core77Jul 21 00:24
techrights-news#China says #Microsoft hacking accusations fabricated by US and allies https://www.databreaches.net/china-says-microsoft-hacking-accusations-fabricated-by-us-and-allies/ it is the fault of Microsoft that holes existJul 21 00:24
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.databreaches.net | China says Microsoft hacking accusations fabricated by US and alliesJul 21 00:24
techrights-news" #Huawei has made "no overall improvement" in software engineering processes for its #UK telecoms equipment's firmware, its #GCHQ overseers have warned." huawei_hcsec_oversight_report_muted_criticismJul 21 00:25
Dad/fnlike any western news source is going to be credible about Huawei's internal processes nowJul 21 00:26
techrights-newsProbably #microsoft #windows (i.e. the usual) https://www.theregister.com/2021/07/20/northern_trains_ticketing_system/Jul 21 00:28
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.com | Northern Train's ticketing system out to lunch as ransomware attack shuts down servers • The RegisterJul 21 00:28
techrights-newsThe Killer Feature Of Tiling #WindowManagers Isn't Tiling https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yTzFoJfEXyU #gnu #linuxJul 21 00:28
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-The Killer Feature Of Tiling Window Managers Isn't Tiling - YouTubeJul 21 00:28
techrights-news#proprietarySoftware https://www.theregister.com/2021/07/20/fortinet_rce/Jul 21 00:28
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.com | Fortinet's security appliances hit by remote code execution vulnerability • The RegisterJul 21 00:28
techrights-news#bospar is a malicious spamming operation. When they said they'd stop it always turned out to be a lie. Their offices should be raised and their spammers apprehended,Jul 21 00:32
techrights-newsUsing Linux at work - KDE Edition https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nxAYN4Y2dew #kde #gnu #linuxJul 21 00:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Using Linux at work - KDE Edition - YouTubeJul 21 00:32
techrights-newsAn Arduino-powered micro quadruped that fits in the palm of your hand | Arduino Blog ⚓ https://blog.arduino.cc/2021/07/20/an-arduino-powered-micro-quadruped-that-fits-in-the-palm-of-your-hand/ ䷉ #Arduino #Hardware #OpenHardware #Hacking | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/07/20/#latestJul 21 00:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.arduino.cc | An Arduino-powered micro quadruped that fits in the palm of your hand | Arduino BlogJul 21 00:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com | Social Control Media PostsJul 21 00:33
techrights-news"and secure boot." That's an ANTI-feature http://linuxgizmos.com/tiny-compute-module-and-dev-kit-give-root-to-stm32mp1-applications/Jul 21 00:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 520 @ http://linuxgizmos.com/tiny-compute-module-and-dev-kit-give-root-to-stm32mp1-applications/ )Jul 21 00:35
techrights-news#ibm is #greenwashing #surveillance https://developer.ibm.com/blogs/how-natural-language-processing-can-fight-deforestation/Jul 21 00:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-developer.ibm.com | How natural language processing can fight deforestation: MANA-Vox – IBM DeveloperJul 21 00:35
techrights-news"A *loooong* conversation with Jeri Ellsworth, self-made inventor, chip designer, AR entrepreneur and keynote speaker at Akademy 2021." https://tube.kockatoo.org/videos/watch/32434d48-ce6f-4b95-a618-0109eb88223fJul 21 00:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-tube.kockatoo.org | Akademy 2021 Interview: In Conversation with Jeri Ellsworth - Kockatoo TubeJul 21 00:36
techrights-newsConflating "Linux" with #systemd http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/153598#comment-30348Jul 21 00:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Security Leftovers | Tux MachinesJul 21 00:37
techrights-news#Mozilla is dead. And it is outsourcing to #Microsoft #proprietarysoftware now.. Stick a form it it. Mozilla is a walking dead. https://hacks.mozilla.org/2021/07/spring-cleaning-mdn-part-1/ http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Delete_GithubJul 21 00:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-hacks.mozilla.org | Spring Cleaning MDN: Part 1 - Mozilla Hacks - the Web developer blogJul 21 00:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Delete Github - TechrightsJul 21 00:37
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techrights-newsToday’s 🅣🅤🅧 🅜🅐🅒🅗🅘🅝🅔🅢 Leftovers • 𝗧𝘂𝘅 𝗠𝗮𝗰𝗵𝗶𝗻𝗲𝘀 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/153622 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachinesJul 21 00:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's leftovers | Tux MachinesJul 21 00:40
techrights-newsWordPress 5.8 “Tatum” Released with Some Amazing New Features http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/153609#comment-30349Jul 21 00:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | WordPress 5.8 Tatum | Tux MachinesJul 21 00:46
techrights-newsWarning about #Packt https://www.ctrl.blog/entry/packtpub-preorder.htmlJul 21 00:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.ctrl.blog | Don’t preorder ebooks from Packt PublishingJul 21 00:46
techrights-newsVideos/Shows: Tiling Window Managers, GNU/Linux at Work, and Akademy 2021 Interview • 𝗧𝘂𝘅 𝗠𝗮𝗰𝗵𝗶𝗻𝗲𝘀 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/153621 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachinesJul 21 00:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Videos/Shows: Tiling Window Managers, GNU/Linux at Work, and Akademy 2021 Interview | Tux MachinesJul 21 00:47
techrights-news#Devices : Arduino, Design for Disassembly, MYIR, #OnePlus • 𝗧𝘂𝘅 𝗠𝗮𝗰𝗵𝗶𝗻𝗲𝘀 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/153620 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachinesJul 21 00:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Devices: Arduino, Design for Disassembly, MYIR, OnePlus | Tux MachinesJul 21 00:47
techrights-news#AMD Posts Linux Graphics Driver Patches For "Cyan Skillfish" • 𝗧𝘂𝘅 𝗠𝗮𝗰𝗵𝗶𝗻𝗲𝘀 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/153619 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachinesJul 21 00:48
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | AMD Posts Linux Graphics Driver Patches For "Cyan Skillfish" | Tux MachinesJul 21 00:48
XRevan86I was surprised to see this: https://falkon.org/development/Jul 21 00:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.falkon.org | Development - FalkonJul 21 00:49
techrights-news"This guy really missed the point why PDF files exist and what they are for... PDF exist to print file, that's why the static layout, all the rest are additions created by non-design choices, commercial pressures etc." https://lists.orbitalfox.eu/archives/gemini/2021/006949.htmlJul 21 00:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lists.orbitalfox.eu | Deurbanising the WebJul 21 00:49
XRevan86So I looked around and saw this: https://invent.kde.org/network/falkon/-/commit/249da2470d3b125325e1d6336d98dbd63fdb1088Jul 21 00:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-invent.kde.org | Update IRC network in the README (249da247) · Commits · Network / Falkon · GitLabJul 21 00:49
schestowitzFreenode is FOSS!Jul 21 00:51
schestowitz"authored 1 month ago by Nicolás Alvarez's avatar Nicolás Alvarez "Jul 21 00:52
techrights-newsHow Calls became a part of GNOME • 𝗧𝘂𝘅 𝗠𝗮𝗰𝗵𝗶𝗻𝗲𝘀 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/153618 #gnome #gnu #linux #purismJul 21 00:52
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | How Calls became a part of GNOME | Tux MachinesJul 21 00:53
XRevan86schestowitz: Britain is the largest empire on Earth!Jul 21 00:53
techrights-news#NVIDIA Brings Its RTX Tech To #Linux On Arm http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/153547#comment-30347Jul 21 00:53
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | NVIDIA 470.57.02 Graphics Driver Brings Support for RTX 3070/80 Ti GPUs, DOOM Eternal Fixes | Tux MachinesJul 21 00:53
Dad/fnthere are like 150 people in #kde :: shrug ::Jul 21 00:53
schestowitzXRevan86: wasJul 21 00:53
XRevan86schestowitz: exactly :)Jul 21 00:54
techrights-news#Wine 6.13 • 𝗧𝘂𝘅 𝗠𝗮𝗰𝗵𝗶𝗻𝗲𝘀 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/153617 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachinesJul 21 00:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Wine 6.13 | Tux MachinesJul 21 00:54
Dad/fnUS or ChinaJul 21 00:54
Dad/fnhard to tell with big red though, sometimes their balloons pop and there's nothing in thereJul 21 00:55
kingoffranceeh, surely empires need emperor(s)Jul 21 00:55
techrights-news#Games : Ubisoft/SteamOS, Starmancer, and DXVK-NVAPI 0.4 • 𝗧𝘂𝘅 𝗠𝗮𝗰𝗵𝗶𝗻𝗲𝘀 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/153616 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachinesJul 21 00:55
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Games: Ubisoft/SteamOS, Starmancer, and DXVK-NVAPI 0.4 | Tux MachinesJul 21 00:55
XRevan86kingoffrance: Are ye implying teddy bears cannot be emperors?Jul 21 00:55
Dad/fnwe dont need an emperorJul 21 00:55
Dad/fnwe have DadJul 21 00:55
kingoffrancei can accept kingdoms :)Jul 21 00:55
kingoffranceXRevan86, i will have to see, maybe pooh bear does claim thatJul 21 00:56
Dad/fndoesnt he refer to himself as party general secretartJul 21 00:56
Dad/fn*secretaryJul 21 00:56
Dad/fn"emperor xi" is a westernism i thinkJul 21 00:57
kingoffrancehttps://asiatimes.com/2020/06/xi-jinping-the-second-emperor-of-china/  that says yeaJul 21 00:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-asiatimes.com | Xi Jinping: The second emperor of China - Asia TimesJul 21 00:58
kingoffranceyes looks like that Dad https://theconversation.com/why-china-wont-let-people-compare-xi-jinping-with-an-imperial-predecessor-92617Jul 21 01:00
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-theconversation.com | Why China won't let people compare Xi Jinping with an imperial predecessorJul 21 01:00
kingoffrancesubjective/objective thing perhaps Jul 21 01:00
kingoffranceyou cant *say* thatJul 21 01:00
Dad/fnyeah the west formed all of its political views during WWII lolJul 21 01:01
techrights-news#Debian GNU/Linux 10 “Buster” Users Get New Linux Kernel Security Update, 4 Flaws Patched • 𝗧𝘂𝘅 𝗠𝗮𝗰𝗵𝗶𝗻𝗲𝘀 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/153615 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachinesJul 21 01:02
XRevan86I'd like to interject for a moment, what ye're referring to as Tsar Putin is, in fact, President Putin or as I've recently taken to calling him, National Leader Putin.Jul 21 01:02
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Debian GNU/Linux 10 “Buster” Users Get New Linux Kernel Security Update, 4 Flaws Patched | Tux MachinesJul 21 01:02
XRevan86a westernism I thinkJul 21 01:02
kingoffranceis caesarism considered western? thats czar :)Jul 21 01:02
kingoffrancetheres probably a few types of "caesars"Jul 21 01:03
Dad/fnwe were talking about chinaJul 21 01:03
Dad/fnyou are talking about russiaJul 21 01:03
XRevan86Emperor of Japan is a thingJul 21 01:03
schestowitzwe have borisnaroJul 21 01:03
Dad/fnyeah that's a thingJul 21 01:03
schestowitzthey call him a clownJul 21 01:03
schestowitzas if his malicious actions are just "jokes"Jul 21 01:03
techrights-ipfs-bot ▕  IPFS downstream, 60 mins: ▅▄▂▅▅▅▂▃▁▄▄▄▅▄▇▃▆▄▅▅▇▆▂▅▅▅▃▄▄▅▂▂▁ avg(k/sec) 21.65 ▕  IPFS upstream: ▂▂▁▂▂▁▁▂█▁▁▂▁▁▂▁▂▂▁▂▂▁▂▂▁▁▂▂▁▂▁▂▁▁▁▁ avg(k/sec) 9.15▕ swarm size (avg): 285.66  ⟲Jul 21 01:04
XRevan86Emperor of Korea was a thing, there is even an heir to that throne :DJul 21 01:04
XRevan86(and we're back to freenode)Jul 21 01:04
schestowitznoJul 21 01:04
schestowitzit's some particular part of itJul 21 01:04
schestowitzand goes back over 100 yearsJul 21 01:04
schestowitzso you might imagine dozens of descendantsJul 21 01:05
XRevan86schestowitz: Naturally.Jul 21 01:05
schestowitzit helps him raise money )loans)Jul 21 01:05
schestowitzI took could come up with bogus fancy namesJul 21 01:05
Dad/fnbe careful not to confuse asian hereditary successsion to english renaissance hereditary successionJul 21 01:06
XRevan86schestowitz: But since he started calling himself that, I also no longer feel restrained from mocking him about this.Jul 21 01:06
Dad/fnwe have a tendency to think they all work the same with the same customsJul 21 01:06
schestowitzit's like those BROKE people who buy or rend a Ferrari to get laidJul 21 01:06
Dad/fni have never seen andrew refer to himself as thatJul 21 01:06
XRevan86Dad: https://freenode.net/news/on-free-speechJul 21 01:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-freenode.net | On Free Speech - freenodeJul 21 01:07
schestowitzyeahJul 21 01:07
schestowitzbeat me to itJul 21 01:07
XRevan86He's a Highness nowJul 21 01:07
Dad/fnhe has not once ever in my presence demanded any royal acknowledgmentJul 21 01:07
schestowitzI challenged hi over it inn personJul 21 01:07
XRevan86(in more than one way)Jul 21 01:07
Dad/fnwell HIH, there it isJul 21 01:07
Dad/fnim surprised reallyJul 21 01:07
schestowitz(sorry for typos, netish keyboard)Jul 21 01:07
Dad/fni mean have you had a conversation with the guyJul 21 01:07
XRevan86Dad: Yes, yes we have.Jul 21 01:08
Dad/fni have a hard time believing you did schestowitz, you seem to only communicate in publicJul 21 01:08
schestowitzmark shuttleworth referred to himself as benevolent  dictatorJul 21 01:08
Dad/fnso does patrick volkerdingJul 21 01:08
Dad/fnand pat is actually a really, really nice guyJul 21 01:09
XRevan86Dad: No, they communicated in private, so have I.Jul 21 01:09
XRevan86but I not as muchJul 21 01:09
schestowitzI share what I canJul 21 01:09
schestowitzbut I made a promise to him to keep him privateJul 21 01:09
schestowitzspoke about his kids and stuffJul 21 01:09
Dad/fnyeah i'd keep that out of the public spotlight as much as possible, these people are crazyJul 21 01:10
Dad/fnevery 3rd brabo has a violence potentialJul 21 01:10
DaemonFCIHOP must be desperate for customers. They had a bunch of discounts/rebates that stacked if you got carryout. Turned a $32 meal for me and Mandy into $20.Jul 21 01:10
techrights-newsReverse-engineering the #Mali G78 • 𝗧𝘂𝘅 𝗠𝗮𝗰𝗵𝗶𝗻𝗲𝘀 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/153614 #linux #graphicsJul 21 01:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Reverse-engineering the Mali G78 | Tux MachinesJul 21 01:10
DaemonFCRestaurant looked pretty dead inside. Like nobody was taking care of the fixtures.Jul 21 01:10
DaemonFCOne family sitting down and eating.Jul 21 01:10
techrights-news#Firefox May Have Lost Up to 12% Of Its Users So Far In 2021 • 𝗧𝘂𝘅 𝗠𝗮𝗰𝗵𝗶𝗻𝗲𝘀 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/153613 #www #freesw #mozilla #TuxMachinesJul 21 01:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Firefox May Have Lost Up to 12% Of Its Users So Far In 2021 | Tux MachinesJul 21 01:11
Dad/fni dont go to ihopJul 21 01:11
Dad/fneverything is sticky thereJul 21 01:11
DaemonFC"Firefox May Have Lost Up to 12% Of Its Users So Far In 2021"Jul 21 01:11
DaemonFCWouldn't surprise me.Jul 21 01:11
brabo/fnDad: nice twisting there, as if i am the one trying to talk publicly about doxing me and approaching colleagues of mine to do it ;)Jul 21 01:12
DaemonFCMicrosoft has put some effort into rebranding Chrome and then leaning on people to keep it.Jul 21 01:12
brabo/fnbut hey, cool off in that nice lake just east of youJul 21 01:12
schestowitzDaemonFC: safer to eat at homeJul 21 01:12
schestowitzand rianne is an excellent cookJul 21 01:13
schestowitzI doubt people will club for longJul 21 01:13
schestowitzgiven the risk and requirements like "apps" for spyingJul 21 01:13
schestowitzpeople would rather drink and parties in homesJul 21 01:13
XRevan86https://boost.org/community/irc.html this page hasn't been touched in a while, but #boost on freenode doesn't even have a topic set.Jul 21 01:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.boost.org | Boost IRC HangoutsJul 21 01:14
brabo/fnschestowitz: people are concerned about spying as much as they actually abandoned faceboobJul 21 01:14
kingoffranceDad/fn "you are talking about russia"  i believe XRevan86 was a bit tongue-in-cheekJul 21 01:14
techrights-newsToday’s #HowTos | #UNIX • 𝗧𝘂𝘅 𝗠𝗮𝗰𝗵𝗶𝗻𝗲𝘀 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/153612 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachinesJul 21 01:15
XRevan86indeedJul 21 01:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's howtos | Tux MachinesJul 21 01:15
techrights-newsThe best #email client for Linux, Windows and macOS isn’t Outlook • 𝗧𝘂𝘅 𝗠𝗮𝗰𝗵𝗶𝗻𝗲𝘀 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/153611Jul 21 01:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | The best email client for Linux, Windows and macOS isn't Outlook | Tux MachinesJul 21 01:15
DaemonFCYou mean where Boris can't do anything?Jul 21 01:19
schestowitzYeltsinJul 21 01:20
techrights-news#Security, Fear, Uncertainty, and Doubt • 𝗧𝘂𝘅 𝗠𝗮𝗰𝗵𝗶𝗻𝗲𝘀 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/153610 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachinesJul 21 01:20
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Security, Fear, Uncertainty, and Doubt | Tux MachinesJul 21 01:20
techrights-news#WordPress 5.8 Tatum • 𝗧𝘂𝘅 𝗠𝗮𝗰𝗵𝗶𝗻𝗲𝘀 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/153609 #GPL #FreeSW #CMS #TuxMachinesJul 21 01:20
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | WordPress 5.8 Tatum | Tux MachinesJul 21 01:21
techrights-news"…and since the EPC does not stipulate that dogs cannot partipate in oral proceedings, I can take my dog with me to my next hearing. Your logic is unbeatable." #epo #corruption #kangarooCourts #germany http://patentblog.kluweriplaw.com/2021/07/16/case-g1-21-eba-gives-no-clarity-about-videoconferencing/Jul 21 01:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-patentblog.kluweriplaw.com | Case G1/21: EBA gives no clarity about videoconferencing - Kluwer Patent BlogJul 21 01:23
techrights-news"One more blow at the Boards independence?" #epo #corruption #kangarooCourts #germany http://patentblog.kluweriplaw.com/2021/07/16/case-g1-21-eba-gives-no-clarity-about-videoconferencing/Jul 21 01:26
techrights-news#GPL Enforcement and Violations: #Stockfish and More • 𝗧𝘂𝘅 𝗠𝗮𝗰𝗵𝗶𝗻𝗲𝘀 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/153608 #GNU #FreeSW #TuxMachinesJul 21 01:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | GPL Enforcement and Violations: Stockfish and More | Tux MachinesJul 21 01:27
techrights-news#VirtualBox 6.1.24 Released with Support for Linux 5.13 and Ubuntu Specific Kernels • 🅣🅤🅧 🅜🅐🅒🅗🅘🅝🅔🅢 ⚓ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/153602 ䷉ #GNU #Linux #TuxMachinesJul 21 01:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | VirtualBox 6.1.24 Released with Support for Linux 5.13 and Ubuntu Specific Kernels | Tux MachinesJul 21 01:29
techrights-newsLinux 5.12 Kernel Reaches End of Life, Upgrade to Linux Kernel 5.13 Now • 🅣🅤🅧 🅜🅐🅒🅗🅘🅝🅔🅢 ⚓ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/153603 ䷉ #Kernel #Linux #TuxMachinesJul 21 01:31
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Linux 5.12 Kernel Reaches End of Life, Upgrade to Linux Kernel 5.13 Now | Tux MachinesJul 21 01:31
techrights-newsFreedom moving forward: An overview of the FSF’s history • 🅣🅤🅧 🅜🅐🅒🅗🅘🅝🅔🅢 ⚓ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/153604 ䷉ #GNU #FSF #TuxMachinesJul 21 01:31
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Freedom moving forward: An overview of the FSF's history | Tux MachinesJul 21 01:31
MinceRDad/fn: someone called bezos' vehicle "The Blue Organ" :>Jul 21 01:32
techrights-news#Google #Android Leftovers • 𝗧𝘂𝘅 𝗠𝗮𝗰𝗵𝗶𝗻𝗲𝘀 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/153607 #Linux #TuxMachinesJul 21 01:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Android Leftovers | Tux MachinesJul 21 01:33
techrights-newsStable Kernels: 5.13.4, 5.12.19, 5.10.52, 5.4.134, 4.19.198, 4.14.240, 4.9.276, and 4.4.276 • 𝗧𝘂𝘅 𝗠𝗮𝗰𝗵𝗶𝗻𝗲𝘀 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/153606 #Kernel #Linux #TuxMachinesJul 21 01:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Stable Kernels: 5.13.4, 5.12.19, 5.10.52, 5.4.134, 4.19.198, 4.14.240, 4.9.276, and 4.4.276 | Tux MachinesJul 21 01:34
techrights-newsLinks 21/7/2021: WordPress 5.8, Wine 6.13, and VirtualBox 6.1.24 • тє¢няιﻭнтѕ ⚓ http://techrights.org/2021/07/20/virtualbox-6-1-24/ ䷉ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/07/20/virtualbox-6-1-24/Jul 21 01:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Links 21/7/2021: WordPress 5.8, Wine 6.13, and VirtualBox 6.1.24 | TechrightsJul 21 01:35
techrights-news"handheld called the #SteamDeck but unlike the last time they tried this, Linux gaming is very different in fact Linux gaming for most titles is basically seamless." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EfqwUXU2FQ0Jul 21 01:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-SteamDeck Is Here: Has Valve Learnt From Last Time - YouTubeJul 21 01:38
techrights-newsDan Goodin interjecting extra drama, comparing an OS with #backdoors to this #systemd bug http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/153598#comment-30350Jul 21 01:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Security Leftovers | Tux MachinesJul 21 01:41
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techrights-newsThe Snoring Guardian listens while you sleep and vibrates when you start to snore | Arduino Blog ⚓ https://blog.arduino.cc/2021/07/20/the-snoring-guardian-listens-while-you-sleep-and-vibrates-when-you-start-to-snore/ ䷉ #Arduino #Hardware #OpenHardware #Hacking | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/07/21/#latestJul 21 01:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.arduino.cc | The Snoring Guardian listens while you sleep and vibrates when you start to snore | Arduino BlogJul 21 01:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com | Social Control Media PostsJul 21 01:43
DaemonFChttps://www.reddit.com/r/dogecoin/comments/ooc29b/im_not_making_this_up_this_is_an_actual_picture/Jul 21 01:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.reddit.com | I'm not making this up, this is an actual picture of Jeff Bezos' rocket : dogecoinJul 21 01:44
DaemonFCMinceR, ^Jul 21 01:44
DaemonFCThe Austin Powers comments happened quickly.Jul 21 01:44
techrights-newsNew #malware released from #gulag https://chromereleases.googleblog.com/2021/07/stable-channel-update-for-desktop_20.htmlJul 21 01:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-chromereleases.googleblog.com | Chrome Releases: Stable Channel Update for DesktopJul 21 01:45
DaemonFChttps://www.reddit.com/r/walmart/comments/onpdnl/dont_forget_to_store_use_that_fan/Jul 21 01:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.reddit.com | Don’t forget to “store use” that fan : walmartJul 21 01:47
techrights-news#mozila #deletegithub #microsoft #ProprietarySoftware https://medium.com/@mmayo/how-we-airdropped-4700-meebitsdao-red-ticket-nfts-f46175bd44c9 http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Delete_GithubJul 21 01:48
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-How we airdropped 4700 MeebitsDAO “Red Ticket” NFTs | by Mark Mayo | Jul, 2021 | MediumJul 21 01:48
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Delete Github - TechrightsJul 21 01:48
techrights-newsAuthentication in an Enterprise https://prezu.ca/post/2021-01-20-authentication-at-enterprise/ "With additional DNS spoofing you might be connecting to the wrong website."Jul 21 01:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-prezu.ca | Authentication in an EnterpriseJul 21 01:49
techrights-newsDirk Eddelbuettel: #pkgKitten 0.2.2 on CRAN: Small Updates http://dirk.eddelbuettel.com/blog/2021/07/20#pkgKitten_0.2.2Jul 21 01:50
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-dirk.eddelbuettel.com | Thinking inside the boxJul 21 01:50
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techrights-newsA lot of this can be automated https://www.helpnetsecurity.com/2021/07/14/security-vulnerabilities-data-center-servers/Jul 21 01:55
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.helpnetsecurity.com | Dealing with security vulnerabilities on data center servers requires more skilled staff - Help Net SecurityJul 21 01:55
techrights-news#Australia government in talks to buy Pacific Islands' top #telco https://www.theregister.com/2021/07/20/telstra_government_funded_digicel_purchase/Jul 21 01:57
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.com | Australian government in talks to buy Pacific Islands' top telco • The RegisterJul 21 01:57
techrights-news8 Best Icon Themes for Ubuntu (2021 Edition) • 𝗧𝘂𝘅 𝗠𝗮𝗰𝗵𝗶𝗻𝗲𝘀 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/153623Jul 21 02:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | 8 Best Icon Themes for Ubuntu (2021 Edition) | Tux MachinesJul 21 02:01
techrights-news#Kaisen Linux Rolling 1.7 Release Notes • 𝗧𝘂𝘅 𝗠𝗮𝗰𝗵𝗶𝗻𝗲𝘀 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/153624 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachinesJul 21 02:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Kaisen Linux Rolling 1.7 Release Notes | Tux MachinesJul 21 02:01
techrights-newsIs Access Advanced Really Checking Essentiality? -- An #HEVC Case Study https://www.unifiedpatents.com/insights/2021/7/12/access-advanced-checking-essentiality a #swpats #cartel http://techrights.org/2015/07/26/hevc-cartel/Jul 21 02:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.unifiedpatents.com | Is Access Advanced Really Checking Essentiality? -- An HEVC Case Study — Unified PatentsJul 21 02:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | HEVC Cartel is Not News, Only the Names of Backers and the Costs Are New | TechrightsJul 21 02:03
techrights-ipfs-bot ▕  IPFS downstream, 60 mins: ▄▅▅▅▁▃▄▅▅▂▃▅▅▂▅▄▄▅▂▃▄▄▄▅▅▄▅▅▆▅▅▅▆▆▁ avg(k/sec) 21.81 ▕  IPFS upstream: ▁▂▂▂▂▁▁▁▂▂▁▂▂▁▂▁▁▁▂▂▁▁▂▂▂▁▂▂▁▂▂▂▂▃▁ avg(k/sec) 26.60▕ swarm size (avg): 285.68  ⟲Jul 21 02:03
techrights-news#patent extremist and blowhard Gene Quinn now uses #watchtroll to prop up #HeritageFoundation ... can people recognise that site for what it truly is? http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/WatchtrollJul 21 02:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Watchtroll - TechrightsJul 21 02:04
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schestowitz22k is now the max for freenode https://netsplit.de/networks/statistics.php?net=freenodeJul 21 02:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-netsplit.de | NO TITLEJul 21 02:11
techrights-newsLegal Alert: New Hatch-Waxman-Style #Patent #Law Formally Adopted by China’s National People’s Congress; to Take Effect June 1, 2021 https://www.jdsupra.com/legalnews/legal-alert-new-hatch-waxman-style-30195/Jul 21 02:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Legal Alert: New Hatch-Waxman-Style Patent Law Formally Adopted by China’s National People’s Congress; to Take Effect June 1, 2021 | Fish & Richardson - JDSupraJul 21 02:12
techrights-newsHoarding #patents in place of products https://lamberteatonnews.com/news-posts/2021/07/20/second-firdapse-us-patent-secured-catalyst-3-still-pending/Jul 21 02:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lamberteatonnews.com | Second Firdapse Patent Secured in US by Catalyst With 3 Still PendingJul 21 02:17
XRevan86schestowitz: Nothing new is happening on that front, things have pretty much settled for now.Jul 21 02:17
techrights-news"The vast majority of ex parte #patent appeals (92%) are focused on obviousness, with 2/3 of those only addressing obviousness questions." https://patentlyo.com/patent/2021/07/notes-appeals-patent.html #uspto #fakepatents #ptabJul 21 02:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-patentlyo.com | Notes on Ex Parte Appeals of Patent Cases | Patently-OJul 21 02:17
XRevan86Idlers idle, CMaths enjoy their new network without the FOSS annoyances, FOSS has moved to Libera mostly, and the people move on with their lives leaving the past in the past.Jul 21 02:18
schestowitzI wonder what it will take for cubexyz zoobab et al to move over to self-hostedJul 21 02:20
schestowitzWe actually moved to #techrights at irc.techrights.org (the IRC client needs to be configured to connect to it) which is the correct channel to use).Jul 21 02:21
schestowitzwe are on freenode as backup in case of downtime mostlyJul 21 02:21
XRevan86schestowitz: Something should be done to the wording in http://techrights.org/irc-channel/Jul 21 02:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IRC Channels | TechrightsJul 21 02:22
techrights-newsJourno who went to prison for 2 years for breaking US cyber-security law is jailed again https://www.theregister.com/2021/07/20/journalist_prison_offending/ "Deletion of employer's YouTube account"Jul 21 02:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.com | Journo who went to prison for 2 years for breaking US cyber-security law is jailed again • The RegisterJul 21 02:22
techrights-news#Security Leftovers • 𝗧𝘂𝘅 𝗠𝗮𝗰𝗵𝗶𝗻𝗲𝘀 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/153625 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachinesJul 21 02:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Security Leftovers | Tux MachinesJul 21 02:26
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techrights-news#Google and Mozilla Leftovers • 𝗧𝘂𝘅 𝗠𝗮𝗰𝗵𝗶𝗻𝗲𝘀 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/153626 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachinesJul 21 02:31
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Google and Mozilla Leftovers | Tux MachinesJul 21 02:31
techrights-newsToday’s #HowTos | #UNIX • 𝗧𝘂𝘅 𝗠𝗮𝗰𝗵𝗶𝗻𝗲𝘀 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/153627 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachinesJul 21 02:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's howtos | Tux MachinesJul 21 02:34
techrights-news"The virus has the audacity not to even notify the person that they were infected." http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-techrights-200721.html#tJul%2020%2023:33:28Jul 21 02:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IRC: #techrights @ Techrights IRC Network: Tuesday, July 20, 2021Jul 21 02:35
techrights-news*** 𝐈 𝐑 𝐂   𝐋 𝐈 𝐍 𝐊 𝐒 *** Yesterday's #boycottnovell-social IRC logs ready. HTML: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-social-200721.html TEXT: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-social-200721.txt Read the log now...Jul 21 02:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IRC: #boycottnovell-social @ Techrights IRC Network: Tuesday, July 20, 2021Jul 21 02:36
XRevan86schestowitz: Bringing my mocking of CMath to a wider audience :DJul 21 02:37
techrights-news*** 𝐈 𝐑 𝐂   𝐋 𝐈 𝐍 𝐊 𝐒 *** Yesterday's #techrights IRC logs ready. HTML: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-techrights-200721.html TEXT: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-techrights-200721.txt Read the log now...Jul 21 02:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IRC: #techrights @ Techrights IRC Network: Tuesday, July 20, 2021Jul 21 02:37
techrights-news*** 𝐈 𝐑 𝐂   𝐋 𝐈 𝐍 𝐊 𝐒 *** Yesterday's #boycottnovell IRC logs ready. HTML: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-200721.html TEXT: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-200721.txt Read the log now...Jul 21 02:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IRC: #boycottnovell @ Techrights IRC Network: Tuesday, July 20, 2021Jul 21 02:38
techrights-news"nVidia proprietary drivers updated for OpenMandriva Lx 4.2 and Rolling branches. Also instructions for installing the drivers." https://www.openmandriva.org/en/breve/nvidia-proprietary-driver-packages-for-om-lx-4-2-and-rollingJul 21 02:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.openmandriva.org | nVidia proprietary driver packages for OM Lx 4.2 and (...) - OpenMandrivaJul 21 02:39
schestowitzXRevan86: yesJul 21 02:39
techrights-news*** 𝐈 𝐑 𝐂   𝐋 𝐈 𝐍 𝐊 𝐒 *** Yesterday's #techbytes IRC logs ready. HTML: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-techbytes-200721.html TEXT: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-techbytes-200721.txt Read the log now...Jul 21 02:39
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schestowitzbudy night aheadJul 21 02:40
schestowitzI fight with BTJul 21 02:40
schestowitzalso:Jul 21 02:40
schestowitzDDOS on TuxmachinesJul 21 02:40
schestowitzI've just improved the protectionsJul 21 02:40
techrights-news*** 𝐁𝐔𝐋𝐋𝐄𝐓𝐈𝐍 *** Yesterday's bulletin ready. http://techrights.org/txt-archives/techrights-2021-07-20.txtJul 21 02:40
schestowitztux machines is very prominent in results nowJul 21 02:40
schestowitzas much of the 'competition' perishedJul 21 02:41
techrights-newsDave Airlie: llvmpipe/lavapipe: anisotropic texture filtering • 𝗧𝘂𝘅 𝗠𝗮𝗰𝗵𝗶𝗻𝗲𝘀 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/153628 #linux #graphicsJul 21 02:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Dave Airlie: llvmpipe/lavapipe: anisotropic texture filtering | Tux MachinesJul 21 02:41
XRevan86schestowitz: I wanted to write to cubexyz about the network today (again) but I thought of that after your answer to him, which was a few hours past his moment of activity.Jul 21 02:43
XRevan86Haven't had a conversation with him in a while.Jul 21 02:44
schestowitzhe is busy moving to slackware latestJul 21 02:44
schestowitzslackware 'left' freenodeJul 21 02:44
schestowitz(read: was kicked out)Jul 21 02:44
XRevan86schestowitz: Haven't heard of that, as far as I am aware it never was on it in the first place.Jul 21 02:45
*acer-box____ is now known as schestowitz2Jul 21 02:45
schestowitz2so it is no "safe space" for users of slackwareJul 21 02:45
schestowitz2heck, I think I might start typing into IRC from this PC insteadJul 21 02:46
XRevan86Maybe some developers were involved in the channel, I don't know… freenode doesn't fancy the developer" kind.Jul 21 02:46
*schestowitz2 is now known as schestowitz-TRJul 21 02:47
schestowitz-TRXRevan86: FWICT, lee isn't much of a devJul 21 02:47
schestowitz-TRhe tinkers a bit with JSJul 21 02:47
schestowitz-TRat least he was persuaded to host his own git repoJul 21 02:47
schestowitz-TRit's always good to be in control of one's code, changes, infra etc.Jul 21 02:48
XRevan86https://slackware.com/~rworkman/slackware-irc/ expectations and reality matched once againJul 21 02:48
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Failed connect to slackware.com:443; Connection refused ( status 0 @ https://slackware.com/~rworkman/slackware-irc/ )Jul 21 02:48
XRevan86http://slackware.com/~rworkman/slackware-irc/ I meanJul 21 02:48
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-##slackware infoJul 21 02:48
schestowitzhttps://ariadne.space/Jul 21 02:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ariadne.space | Ariadne's SpaceJul 21 02:49
schestowitz"Jul 21 02:49
schestowitzMy first experience with IRC was in 1999.  I was in middle school, and a friend of mine ordered a Slackware CD from Walnut Creek CDROM.  This was Slackware 3.4, and contained the GNOME 1.x desktop environment on the disc, which came with the BitchX IRC client.Jul 21 02:49
schestowitzAt first, I didn’t really know what BitchX was, I just thought it was a cool program that displayed random ascii art, and then tried to connect to various servers.  After a while, I found out that an IRC client allowed you to connect to an IRC network, and get help with Slackware.Jul 21 02:49
schestowitzAt that time, freenode didn’t exist.  The Slackware IRC channel was on DALnet, and I started using DALnet to learn more about Slackware.  Like most IRC newbies, it didn’t go so well: I got banned from #slackware in like 5 minutes or something.  I pleaded for forgiveness, in the way redolent of a middle schooler.  And eventually, I got unbanned and stuck around for a while.  That was my first experience with IRC.Jul 21 02:49
schestowitz"Jul 21 02:49
schestowitz-TR:) " I got unbanned and stuck around for a while."Jul 21 02:49
schestowitz-TRwho knew slackware itself would be banned a couple of decades down the lineJul 21 02:50
XRevan86schestowitz: There's a new Slackware-related channel on freenode, it has a whopping 11 people.Jul 21 02:50
schestowitz-TRbecause Park the Bear got pissed offJul 21 02:50
Ariadneslackware was originally on DALnet, then DALnet was ddos attacked so they moved to openprojectsJul 21 02:51
schestowitz-TRyes, I know it predates its presence there in freenodeJul 21 02:51
schestowitz-TRdalnet was how I got startedJul 21 02:51
Dad/fnyou're not looking in the right placeJul 21 02:51
Ariadne00:33 [freenode] -!- You are banned from this server- Courtesy of Phanes/Bagira (2021/6/13 01.33)Jul 21 02:52
Ariadne00:33 [freenode] -!- ERROR Closing Link: mirrors.slackware.com (K-Lined)Jul 21 02:52
Ariadne00:33 [freenode] -!- Irssi: Connection lost to irc.freenode.netJul 21 02:52
Ariadnewhy am i not surprisedJul 21 02:52
XRevan86Dad: #slackware is not the right place?Jul 21 02:52
Dad/fn##slackware is where the cool kids are XRevan86Jul 21 02:52
Ariadneto the extent that any child is actually using slackware in 2021Jul 21 02:52
XRevan86Dad: With a pointer away to a single-hash one in the topic.Jul 21 02:52
schestowitz-TR45 usersJul 21 02:52
schestowitz-TRin ##slackware Jul 21 02:53
XRevan86schestowitz: 145, on LiberaJul 21 02:54
schestowitz-TRso they have been partitionedJul 21 02:54
schestowitz-TRlike many other projectsJul 21 02:54
XRevan86Dad: So, why aren't the cool kids following the topic? Idling?Jul 21 02:54
Dad/fnthat's actually expected.  one of the first things i did on this network was remove some old stalkers that had made it high up in that community over the years with the staff turning a blind eye to itJul 21 02:54
schestowitz-TRand you can never maximise reach to people who can helpJul 21 02:55
Dad/fnso they took some people with them to Libera where their behaviours and natures will be overlooked and enabledJul 21 02:55
AriadnefascinatingJul 21 02:55
XRevan86schestowitz: Nah, people who can help are not partitioned, luckily.Jul 21 02:55
schestowitz-TRXRevan86: I know what you meanJul 21 02:56
schestowitz-TRthat's the reason over 95% of our constructive conversations are hereJul 21 02:56
schestowitz-TRin libera not a work all day yesterdayJul 21 02:56
Ariadnelet’s get it to 100% and kill the bridge :pJul 21 02:56
schestowitz-TRAriadne: when everyone has crossed overJul 21 02:57
XRevan86schestowitz: It's the same for other channels, the official destination is where it's at, unpartitioned.Jul 21 02:57
schestowitz-TRit's also a downtime contingencyJul 21 02:57
schestowitz-TRXRevan86: interestingJul 21 02:57
XRevan86schestowitz: The slowpokes and renegades are not really all that helpful.Jul 21 02:58
Dad/fnto be honest it doesn't really matter if one is official or the other is not, as a project folks should want as many support venues as possible in as many places as possibleJul 21 02:58
schestowitz-TRwell, IRC is not dead yet, but those wars would only help if many alternatives emerge in 66**Jul 21 02:58
Ariadneso much to doJul 21 02:58
schestowitz-TRnot in matrix, jabber etc.Jul 21 02:58
Dad/fnthe whole idea of centralizing to control everything is what created the problems that got addressed hereJul 21 02:58
XRevan86It's cool how what I'm saying is the exact opposite of what Dad is saying.Jul 21 02:59
schestowitz-TRpleroma and mastodon tackle some issues, not othersJul 21 02:59
*Dad/fn shrugsJul 21 02:59
Ariadnei’ve largely concluded that social media is badJul 21 02:59
schestowitz-TRfor instance, they're still susceptible to distraction and misinformation, even some forms of censorshipJul 21 02:59
Dad/fnyou're entitled to be wrongJul 21 02:59
Ariadnei also agree with phonesJul 21 03:00
AriadnephanesJul 21 03:00
AriadneactuallyJul 21 03:00
schestowitz-TRI missed 2005 when we had millions of active blogs and technorati etcJul 21 03:00
Ariadneon the point that more support channels are better than lessJul 21 03:00
schestowitz-TRthe other day I saw that delicious had been offlinedJul 21 03:00
Ariadnebig tech doesn’t want blogsJul 21 03:01
XRevan86Fringe locations are not going to provide technical help at a level an official would.Jul 21 03:01
Ariadnethey want social control mediaJul 21 03:01
kingoffrance^ "big tech"     irony perhaps is social media is a type of centralized blog. ^^^^Jul 21 03:01
schestowitz-TRAriadne: if those don't divide people along politics in otherwise technical projectJul 21 03:01
kingoffrancethey want their own "blog repalcement"Jul 21 03:01
XRevan86an official channel would I meanJul 21 03:01
kingoffrancecurated Jul 21 03:01
AriadneXRevan86 not necessarilyJul 21 03:01
kingoffrancethey dont want blogs out of their hands, they want their curated formJul 21 03:01
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Ariadneofficial channels may be more conservative in the help they provide out of fear that a newbie may break their systemJul 21 03:02
Dad/fndepends on if the project has a code of conduct to use as a control mechanismJul 21 03:02
XRevan86Ariadne: Maybe, but the context is this partition where developers left freenode.Jul 21 03:02
Ariadneunofficial channels on the other hand may suggest riskier but usable fixesJul 21 03:02
XRevan86Ariadne: Ah, I understand what ye mean.Jul 21 03:02
Dad/fnthey might also not be drinking the koolaid of fixated project leadersJul 21 03:02
schestowitz-TRBTW, our logger covers all 3 networksJul 21 03:03
schestowitz-TRall goes into the same file on diskJul 21 03:03
XRevan86Ariadne: I got reprimanded in #lineageos for giving help to those who asked about microG, I just left.Jul 21 03:03
XRevan86schestowitz: Three? What?Jul 21 03:03
AriadnepreciselyJul 21 03:03
schestowitz-TRI still need to decide what to do regarding techpol seeing that it is active, we might combine that with an existing fileJul 21 03:04
Dad/fnhow apt for my position on all of this that someone felt you should be "reprimanded" for the manner in which you volunteer your assistanceJul 21 03:04
Dad/fni hope you told them to go to hellJul 21 03:04
schestowitz-TRthey might, eventuallyJul 21 03:05
schestowitz-TRlike cyanogenmodeJul 21 03:05
schestowitz-TRmodJul 21 03:05
schestowitz-TRpmos is more interestingJul 21 03:05
Ariadnehell yeah alpine on phonesJul 21 03:05
schestowitz-TRbut when you start from the assumption we need "another" Android I think you go about with false premiseJul 21 03:06
Ariadnenah we need real linux on phonesJul 21 03:06
schestowitz-TR"real" as in gnuJul 21 03:06
Dad/fnwe doJul 21 03:06
Dad/fndesperatelyJul 21 03:06
Dad/fnandroid is poisonJul 21 03:06
Ariadnereal as in whatever userspace you wantJul 21 03:06
schestowitz-TRmore people now know Linux is not enoughJul 21 03:06
schestowitz-TRLinux in TomTom is not freedomJul 21 03:06
Ariadnepersonally i think gnu code quality is not goodJul 21 03:06
Dad/fnyeah well we've seen your codeJul 21 03:07
schestowitz-TRthe point is, kernel level freedom is not enoughJul 21 03:07
Dad/fnand we've seen the gnu codeJul 21 03:07
Ariadnemy code is fine :)Jul 21 03:07
Dad/fni'll take the gnu codeJul 21 03:07
schestowitz-TRwe need to expand further up the stackJul 21 03:07
schestowitz-TRLinux "won"Jul 21 03:07
Dad/fnit doesn't win if it becomes virtually acquiredJul 21 03:07
XRevan86Ariadne, Dad: Their channel is very big, if they feel like they don't want to see anything microG-related, it's their opinion about how to maintain order.Jul 21 03:07
schestowitz-TRValve might take KDE to 10-50 million people's machinesJul 21 03:07
Dad/fnan army of big 5 developers driving it off a cliffJul 21 03:08
Dad/fnmake it dependentJul 21 03:08
Dad/fnput some money in itJul 21 03:08
Ariadneif you’re looking at my ircd code yes that sucks but it sucked prior to my arrivalJul 21 03:08
Dad/fncelebrate that with some fuzzy prJul 21 03:08
Ariadneand well atheme i wrote as a teenagerJul 21 03:08
XRevan86And I use the fruits of their labour (with microG), they know how not to make a mess at least.Jul 21 03:09
Dad/fnand then one dayJul 21 03:09
techrights-news"Siteage, LLC announces release sponsorship of Navy Linux, #NavyLinux is currently the only option for in-place upgrades for #CentOS " https://www.einnews.com/pr_news/546758992/siteage-llc-announces-release-sponsorship-of-navy-linuxJul 21 03:09
Dad/fn"hey we want you to implement the archit. for these proprietary features we sell that expand it"Jul 21 03:09
Dad/fnand then we're nerfing the open source partsJul 21 03:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.einnews.com | Siteage, LLC announces release sponsorship of Navy Linux - EIN PresswireJul 21 03:09
XRevan86CyanogenOS is not coming backJul 21 03:10
schestowitz-TRmaybe for the betterJul 21 03:10
XRevan86Dad: So I should find new software because they said I shouldn't give microG advice in their IRC?Jul 21 03:10
Dad/fnits more subtle than what im describing thoughJul 21 03:10
schestowitz-TRit was working as a bit of a Microsoft proxy at a later stageJul 21 03:11
Dad/fnits more like "this version sucks, use the paid version"Jul 21 03:11
schestowitz-TR(of course that killed it)Jul 21 03:11
schestowitz-TRnobody survives Microsoft partnershipsJul 21 03:11
XRevan86schestowitz: It was a giant failure that even destroyed CyanogenMod with it (but only the name).Jul 21 03:11
Dad/fnXrevan86 no im saying you should tell them to go to hell, do it anyway, and then champion the removal of assholes who try to bully their communitiesJul 21 03:12
Ariadneopen core is indeed a problemJul 21 03:12
Dad/fnand then when they're all gone, remove me tooJul 21 03:12
techrights-news"it makes me absolutely sick seeing the paint peeling and the stucco falling off ... but they're an apt metaphor for the current state of the #IBM Corporation." https://www.thelayoff.com/t/1bVGzuqbJul 21 03:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thelayoff.com | IBM Campuses, Revived - post regarding IBM layoffsJul 21 03:13
*XRevan86 needs translation for this proverb: "В чужой монастырь со своим уставом не ходят".Jul 21 03:13
kingoffrance"They don't go to someone else's monastery with their own charter."Jul 21 03:14
kingoffrancesounds like whoever has the gold makes the rules : )Jul 21 03:14
XRevan86> When in Rome, do as the Romans do.Jul 21 03:14
kingoffranceobey the master of whoever's house, land you sit on.  yeah, that tooJul 21 03:14
XRevan86Found this one.Jul 21 03:14
Dad/fnyall's description of the state of ibm is completely different than my experience with themJul 21 03:14
techrights-news"Those who celebrate this miserable rise in the stocks are the losers who will be stuck jobless when the company goes belly up." https://www.thelayoff.com/t/1bUEafu3#repliesJul 21 03:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thelayoff.com | why are you guys so negative, just say hurray! - post regarding IBM layoffsJul 21 03:14
AriadneIBM is very IBMJul 21 03:15
techrights-news#microsoft = financial engineering, not computer engineering http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Microsoft_-_FinancialsJul 21 03:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Microsoft - Financials - TechrightsJul 21 03:15
Ariadnethey largely abandoned alpine and debian ppc64le ports after the redhat acquisitionJul 21 03:15
Dad/fnwell yeah market analysis, i already covered why with you via pmJul 21 03:16
XRevan86I'm not going to just march in and try to wreck the place because their policy restricts a complicated topic.Jul 21 03:16
Dad/fndivestiture should have been expected thereJul 21 03:16
Ariadneit wasJul 21 03:16
Ariadnethen when alpine disqualified ppc64le moving forward they were likeJul 21 03:17
Ariadneoh no we are still committedJul 21 03:17
Ariadnehere is free softlayer ppc64le cloud accountJul 21 03:17
AriadnelooooooooooolJul 21 03:17
Dad/fnlol @ softlayerJul 21 03:18
kingoffranceXRevan86, another related is "a man's home is his castle" :)Jul 21 03:18
Dad/fnthat shit is where dreams go to die manJul 21 03:18
Ariadnei used to have a softlayer dedicated server back in the dayJul 21 03:18
Ariadneit was okJul 21 03:18
XRevan86kingoffrance: I thought that's more about invading one's place rather than trying to push own rules to a new environment.Jul 21 03:19
Dad/fnbetter off just hosting your own from a business internet account in a closet at the houseJul 21 03:19
Ariadneservers doJul 21 03:20
Ariadnemake a nice white noise generatorJul 21 03:21
Dad/fnat least its not oracle cloud thoughJul 21 03:21
Dad/fnonly an idiot would use oracle cloudJul 21 03:21
Dad/fnwould not recommendJul 21 03:21
AriadneARM vps offerings are still emergentJul 21 03:21
Dad/fnlol @ emergentJul 21 03:22
Ariadneit’s basically them or AWS or renting a raspberry pi with SAN storageJul 21 03:22
Dad/fnaaws is still top of the line for iaasJul 21 03:22
XRevan86And, either way, #microg is a better place for discussing such stuff. If one has a question about microG on LineageOS, just go there.Jul 21 03:22
Ariadnethere used to be scaleway but they dropped ARMJul 21 03:22
AriadneAWS is also quite priceyJul 21 03:22
techrights-newsOld: "The internet is a phenomenal communications tool that very few people had even heard of not so long ago. The world wide web only came into being slightly more than fifteen years ago." https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20081230/2351323263.shtmlJul 21 03:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-On Staying Happy | TechdirtJul 21 03:23
Dad/fncompared to SL???Jul 21 03:23
Dad/fnhahahaJul 21 03:23
Ariadnethe oracle ARM vps start at $7 per monthJul 21 03:23
Dad/fnor Azure?Jul 21 03:23
techrights-news#7Zip 21.03 Beta https://www.neowin.net/news/7-zip-2103-beta/Jul 21 03:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.neowin.net | 7-Zip 21.03 Beta - NeowinJul 21 03:23
XRevan86It's really not that complicated though: Magisk (Riru, LSPosed, microG), LSPosed (FakeGapps) and it's done.Jul 21 03:23
AriadneSL is quite pricy, as one would expect of an IBM owned companyJul 21 03:24
XRevan86Magisk has made it a lot simpler to get microG working under anything.Jul 21 03:24
techrights-newsOpen-source dev and critic of Beijing claims Audacity owner Muse threatened him with deportation to China in row over copyright • 𝗧𝘂𝘅 𝗠𝗮𝗰𝗵𝗶𝗻𝗲𝘀 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/153629Jul 21 03:24
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Open-source dev and critic of Beijing claims Audacity owner Muse threatened him with deportation to China in row over copyright | Tux MachinesJul 21 03:24
techrights-newsMuse is starting to come across as another Andrew Lee and #audacity another #freenodeJul 21 03:25
XRevan86Oh, and one should enable FakeGapps for the system framework in LSPosed. It's too old to support scopes.Jul 21 03:26
XRevan86so it won't be done automaticallyJul 21 03:26
techrights-newsWow, #serverwatch is still around? https://www.serverwatch.com/servers/server-security-tools/Jul 21 03:28
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Best Server Security Tools & Software for 2021 | ServerWatchJul 21 03:28
Dad/fnthere should be more coverage of the folks who are stalking that guy who forked audacityJul 21 03:28
kingoffranceXRevan86, well it was about the owner of the house makes the rules within his borders.  thus, police need a warrantJul 21 03:29
kingoffrancethey dont get "automatic access"Jul 21 03:29
techrights-news"Despite advances in tools, platforms, and languages, software programming challenges dog developers." https://www.itprotoday.com/development-techniques-and-management/4-software-programming-challenges-today-s-developersJul 21 03:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.itprotoday.com | 4 Software Programming Challenges for Today’s Developers | IT ProJul 21 03:29
kingoffrancetruth of course is surely a mixtureJul 21 03:29
kingoffranceboth then and nowJul 21 03:29
kingoffrancefor the example, the channel is under the irc network is under ...Jul 21 03:30
kingoffrancethey dont quite have "full autonomy" either, still have to obey network rules, etc.Jul 21 03:30
techrights-news"It allows users to run high speed and complex applications with its quad-core processor as well as applications through Docker Containers with its Linux-based real time operating system." https://www.aerospacemanufacturinganddesign.com/product/wago-edge-controller-computer/Jul 21 03:31
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.aerospacemanufacturinganddesign.com | Edge controller, edge computer - Aerospace Manufacturing and DesignJul 21 03:31
kingoffrancebasically, if you had full title you wouldnt have to pay taxes.  so doubtful many people had that, if anyJul 21 03:31
kingoffrancethats why i say was always likely a "mixture"Jul 21 03:32
techrights-news...From #security through obscurity to security through #buzzwords https://containerjournal.com/editorial-calendar/cloud-native-security/the-what-and-why-of-cloud-native-security/Jul 21 03:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-containerjournal.com | The What and Why of Cloud-Native Security - Container JournalJul 21 03:32
XRevan86kingoffrance: Feels more about law and rights and less about respect.Jul 21 03:34
kingoffranceyes, but im not sure theres a huge differenceJul 21 03:34
kingoffranceit should be common sense i think yesJul 21 03:35
XRevan86kingoffrance: A channel is not exactly a house with a proprietor.Jul 21 03:35
XRevan86It's a community with leaders and customs.Jul 21 03:35
kingoffranceeh, it has ops/ownersJul 21 03:35
kingoffrancenot all chatters are created equalJul 21 03:35
kingoffrancenot all can set the topicJul 21 03:35
XRevan86kingoffrance: It's not as individualJul 21 03:36
kingoffranceyes, agreeJul 21 03:36
techrights-newsSomething Sinister Below Deck | LINUX Unplugged 415 https://www.jupiterbroadcasting.com/145637/something-sinister-below-deck-linux-unplugged-415/ #gnu #linuxJul 21 03:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.jupiterbroadcasting.com | Something Sinister Below Deck | LINUX Unplugged 415 | Jupiter BroadcastingJul 21 03:38
schestowitzXRevan86: there are hostile elementsJul 21 03:41
schestowitzthose cannot be given the same privs as the restJul 21 03:41
XRevan86schestowitz: Ye mean troublemakers like Dad? :DJul 21 03:41
schestowitzI meant in the abstractJul 21 03:42
schestowitzthere have always been forces trying to silence usJul 21 03:42
schestowitz(or to discredit)Jul 21 03:42
schestowitzwe're stilm here, or we clearly overcame it allJul 21 03:43
Dad/fnsame so farJul 21 03:43
schestowitz-TRbill gates bribing my boss was a 'dick move'Jul 21 03:43
schestowitz-TRand I can use that phrase colourfully nowJul 21 03:44
schestowitz-TRas we know he had his dicks in many placesJul 21 03:44
schestowitz-TR(other than his wife's)Jul 21 03:44
schestowitz-TRwith NDAsJul 21 03:44
XRevan86> no im saying you should tell them to go to hell, do it anyway, and then champion the removal of assholes who try to bully their communitiesJul 21 03:44
schestowitz-TRmy boss had to sign an NDAJul 21 03:44
schestowitz-TRbefore he even told me about itJul 21 03:44
XRevan86I'm basing that on the assumption that this is what Dad would've done.Jul 21 03:44
schestowitz-TRMr. failed lawyersJul 21 03:44
Dad/fnXRevan86 i didn't say we had the same approach in dealing with it :)Jul 21 03:45
schestowitz-TRgetting everyone to sign NDAsJul 21 03:45
schestowitz-TRthat's also how Microsot did its 'busines'Jul 21 03:45
schestowitz-TRmaybe that's the brain of bill's dad atrkJul 21 03:45
schestowitz-TRhis dad is dead... as of a year agoJul 21 03:45
Dad/fnif someone presents a credible threat to you, rip off their limbs and beat them to death it.  or make peace, whichever is less energy.Jul 21 03:46
Dad/fnnever move based on fear in an adversarial situation.  ever.  ever ever ever.Jul 21 03:47
XRevan86Dad: Is that what happened to ##slackware ?Jul 21 03:47
Dad/fnno that was doing a community a favor to make sure it doesn't happen to other folks.Jul 21 03:47
Dad/fnat least here anywayJul 21 03:47
XRevan86Well, now it's on Libera, so I guess that worked out.Jul 21 03:48
Dad/fnin a sense sure, but look what happened.  it concentrated those assholes all into one new place with a substory of it being due to their bad culture.  there's a stage set for the next "bagira".Jul 21 03:49
schestowitz-TRXRevan86: there will be LC scandals to comeJul 21 03:50
schestowitz-TRfor sureJul 21 03:50
Dad/fnand alot of those project leaders are in a convenient place for another big shift to occur that won't be anywhere near as pleasant if it comesJul 21 03:50
schestowitz-TRthe question is, of what nature...Jul 21 03:50
XRevan86Dad: Are ye from the US?Jul 21 03:50
AdmFubarhttps://soylentnews.org/article.pl?sid=21/07/20/0712249&from=rssJul 21 03:50
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-soylentnews.org | Apple Employees Threaten to Quit as Company Takes Hard Line Stance on Remote Work - SoylentNewsJul 21 03:50
Dad/fnthis has resulted in the resignation of members of the board of the OSI, top leaders at the Gnome Foundation, several members of the management at the FSF, and it brought a huge culture problem to the forefront of the social consciousnessJul 21 03:51
Dad/fnim not in any way regretting how much we've accompolished with thisJul 21 03:51
Dad/fnif freenode dies tomorrow i still made some critical strategic objectivesJul 21 03:52
AdmFubarhttps://yro.slashdot.org/story/21/07/19/228225/edward-snowden-calls-for-spyware-trade-ban-amid-pegasus-revelations?utm_source=rss1.0mainlinkanon&utm_medium=feedJul 21 03:53
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-yro.slashdot.org | Edward Snowden Calls For Spyware Trade Ban Amid Pegasus Revelations - SlashdotJul 21 03:53
Dad/fnthey'll sweep my story under the rug, or make a new one that makes me a monster, but there will be a path to the state i want to seeJul 21 03:53
XRevan86Dad: Internet has self-healing properties, it's just going to continue routing around your strategic objectives.Jul 21 03:53
Dad/fnnah that's so abstract it doesn't mean anythingJul 21 03:54
XRevan86schestowitz: That's a lot harder to predict because I don't see any preconditions for that.Jul 21 03:54
Dad/fnthis is a counter culture-shaping effortJul 21 03:54
Dad/fnim making a big, big omeletteJul 21 03:54
Dad/fnand its an omelette that deserves to get madeJul 21 03:54
XRevan86Dad: I'm not really in a culture-shaping business.Jul 21 03:54
Dad/fni only use the bad eggsJul 21 03:55
Dad/fnexcept ariadne, she's not even useful as cannon fodderJul 21 03:55
XRevan86I used to think of myself as a too respectful person before the freenode kerfuffle.Jul 21 03:56
Dad/fna pearl amongst swine on IRCJul 21 03:57
XRevan86What an omelette some people have in their heads, and the arrogance to shove it into everyone's faces.Jul 21 03:58
Dad/fnarrogance has utility in some scenariosJul 21 03:58
Ariadnedoes itJul 21 03:58
Dad/fnyes absolutelyJul 21 03:58
Ariadnesuch as?Jul 21 03:59
techrights-newsFor #IBM to take 'growth' it needed to compare performance to a disastrous pandemic years and not count expenses like takeovers https://www.theregister.com/2021/07/20/ibm_q2_results/Jul 21 03:59
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.com | IBM's 3% sales growth may not seem like much but it's the biggest it's had in three years • The RegisterJul 21 03:59
Ariadnei need to hit the road soonJul 21 04:00
Ariadnei have to go visit my grandmother tomorrow who is going into memory care 🙃Jul 21 04:00
XRevan86Ariadne: What's memory care?Jul 21 04:00
Ariadnegotta say the sxmo emoji compose stuff is greatJul 21 04:00
Ariadnememory care is basically alzheimer’s lockdown shitJul 21 04:01
AdmFubardon't know what to do with those tossed salads and scrambled eggsJul 21 04:01
XRevan86AdmFubar: Give them to DadJul 21 04:01
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Ariadnethat meeting was rather wildJul 21 04:02
Ariadnefrom what i have been toldJul 21 04:02
AdmFubarsounds like someone needs a jop and has to publicly clean up his actJul 21 04:02
techrights-news#Patent systems as a total waste of human capacity http://patentblog.kluweriplaw.com/2021/07/21/further-updates-on-patent-linkage-and-patent-term-extension-in-china/ anything to protect the powerful...Jul 21 04:03
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XRevan86Dad needs to stop doing "activism" that the community is openly disliking.Jul 21 04:03
Dad/fnyeah as soon as you associate your personal life with your job like its some status symbol you stop being a private person and start being an owned extension of that companyJul 21 04:03
XRevan86What's the opposite of social activism?Jul 21 04:04
Dad/fnXRevan86 then alot of people need to resign or dramatically change how things work around them.Jul 21 04:04
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XRevan86Ariadne: How badly is she having it?Jul 21 04:05
AriadneummmJul 21 04:05
Dad/fnalzheimers is brutal watch a loved one go throughJul 21 04:05
Dad/fn*to watchJul 21 04:05
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Ariadneyesterday she started freaking out hard core about her mother dying (dead since 1987).  my cousin gave her a xanax and a pot gummie and it didn’t phase her at allJul 21 04:06
Ariadneso i would say it is taking a turn for the worseJul 21 04:06
Dad/fnare you guys all in counseling too, it affects the fam just as much as it does the patientJul 21 04:07
Ariadnei mean i used to be a social worker so this isn’t really phasing me too bad but my mom is seeing a shrinkJul 21 04:08
schestowitz-TRlast night I dreamed a friend of ours diedJul 21 04:10
schestowitz-TRand his wife was devastated, that's when I woke upJul 21 04:10
schestowitz-TRseems everyone has the occasional dreams where parents die tooJul 21 04:11
XRevan86I don't, but I did see dreams about myself dyingJul 21 04:12
XRevan86A bit of a weird concept as one cannot possibly have a perspective on that.Jul 21 04:12
AdmFubarthat is a nightmare not a dream!Jul 21 04:13
AdmFubarhttps://soylentnews.org/article.pl?sid=21/07/20/0658254&from=rssJul 21 04:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-soylentnews.org | Semiconductor Crystals Tweaked to Realize Superior Properties for Electronics - SoylentNewsJul 21 04:13
schestowitz-TRmaybe the 'out of body experience' thingJul 21 04:13
schestowitz-TRturns out many mistake sleep paralysis experiences for something elseJul 21 04:13
XRevan86No, it's just depression and stuff.Jul 21 04:13
schestowitz-TRlike near death experience, meeting god, alien abductionJul 21 04:13
kingoffrancelolJul 21 04:13
AdmFubarstop that late night snacking!Jul 21 04:13
kingoffrancesome channels me and others always laugh because they try to purposely have such an experience, and cant do it lolJul 21 04:13
schestowitz-TRit's hard to make it happenJul 21 04:14
schestowitz-TRI used to know how ti trick myself into itJul 21 04:14
XRevan86schestowitz: The dreams focused on what my loved ones would feel.Jul 21 04:14
schestowitz-TRactually, even if you know you are having sleep paralysis, it's still not pleasant, esp. if you don't know how to snap out of itJul 21 04:15
kingoffranceyeah, i just mean, lack of sleep will make you hallucinateJul 21 04:15
schestowitz-TRknowing how to snap out fo a bad dream when you know it's just a dream is a valuable skillJul 21 04:15
AdmFubarhttps://soylentnews.org/article.pl?sid=21/07/19/235217&from=rssJul 21 04:15
kingoffrancei dont recommend it, just saying :)Jul 21 04:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-soylentnews.org | Drought Threatens to Close California Hydropower Plant for First Time - SoylentNewsJul 21 04:15
XRevan86Haven't had sleep paralysis, but it's not that hard to imagine.Jul 21 04:15
schestowitz-TRit's always not pleasantJul 21 04:16
schestowitz-TRone option is to go back to sleepJul 21 04:16
Ariadnenever had a sleep paralysis eventJul 21 04:16
schestowitz-TRsleeping while sitting helps that happenJul 21 04:16
Ariadnedoes not seem funJul 21 04:16
schestowitz-TRit helps when you know a feeling of nearby presence is "normal"Jul 21 04:17
Ariadnei don’t sleep while sitting.  at most i meditateJul 21 04:17
AdmFubaryou've had it... just you weren't aware of it..Jul 21 04:17
XRevan86I'm not falling asleep easily, could be why.Jul 21 04:17
schestowitz-TRI brought this up in USENET ages agoJul 21 04:17
schestowitz-TRXRevan86: I now know how to sleep fast, which comes in handy if I want to split sleep into many partsJul 21 04:18
kingoffrancei got 99 problems but sleep paralysis aint one </phanes>Jul 21 04:18
Ariadnebut my bed is kind of a sacred space, so i’m usually in a happy mood when i’m sleepingJul 21 04:18
AdmFubarhttps://soylentnews.org/article.pl?sid=21/07/17/2257243&from=rssJul 21 04:19
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-soylentnews.org | NTSC Finally Goes Dark in America - SoylentNewsJul 21 04:19
schestowitz-TRmaybe usenet and irc are nextJul 21 04:19
schestowitz-TRnext frontier: google cctv glasses and arJul 21 04:20
schestowitz-TR"to improve user experience'Jul 21 04:20
XRevan86schestowitz: If IRC can survive Andrew Lee, it has a lot of strength built-in.Jul 21 04:21
Dad/fnmaybeJul 21 04:21
schestowitz-TRmass media and tv as social control tool has outlived its reachJul 21 04:21
Dad/fngoogle glass had the potential to change the evolution of our speciesJul 21 04:21
schestowitz-TRnot they herd "the masses" in social control mediaJul 21 04:21
Dad/fnthey went about it all wrong thoughJul 21 04:21
Dad/fnshould've created secondary markets by opening up the firmware and just been a provider from a hardware perspectiveJul 21 04:22
Dad/fnand then taken a hard loss on gen 1Jul 21 04:22
schestowitzhttps://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2014/06/everything-we-know-about-facebooks-secret-mood-manipulation-experiment/373648/Jul 21 04:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theatlantic.com | Everything We Know About Facebook's Secret Mood Manipulation Experiment - The AtlanticJul 21 04:22
schestowitzhttps://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-28051930 https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2014/jun/29/facebook-users-emotions-news-feedsJul 21 04:22
AdmFubarthe hardware was nowhere near ready at the time.. got to try... wasn't impressedJul 21 04:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.bbc.co.uk | Facebook emotion experiment sparks criticism - BBC NewsJul 21 04:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theguardian.com | Facebook reveals news feed experiment to control emotions | Facebook | The GuardianJul 21 04:22
AdmFubarhttps://soylentnews.org/article.pl?sid=21/07/19/1827252&from=rssJul 21 04:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-soylentnews.org | Ukraine Warehouse Packed with Thousands of PS4s was Actually a FIFA Ultimate Team Bot Farm - SoylentNewsJul 21 04:22
Dad/fnthey needed to flood the market with the partsJul 21 04:22
Dad/fnfor the builder sceneJul 21 04:23
Dad/fnand didn'tJul 21 04:23
XRevan86Ariadne: I don't feel the same way about my bed.Jul 21 04:23
Dad/fnbecause it's google and they're just building things without thinkingJul 21 04:23
Ariadneif you have a bed that is comfy and calming, you probably won't have nightmares and stuffJul 21 04:23
Ariadnemy stuffed animal friends annihilate the gloomies :pJul 21 04:23
Dad/fneven my nightmares aren't scaryJul 21 04:23
Dad/fnthey're rare but it does happenJul 21 04:24
XRevan86I got a new mattress, and I'm still not happy.Jul 21 04:24
Dad/fnthey're not really like nightmares though they're likeJul 21 04:24
schestowitz-TRif I have a bad dream, the wife will wake me up and vice versaJul 21 04:24
Dad/fnlike if someone was playing with the physics engineJul 21 04:24
schestowitz-TRI seem to have solved the issue of TM load with some tweaks. yay!Jul 21 04:25
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schestowitz-TRno apache restarted since I made those changeJul 21 04:26
AdmFubaroff to chill and have tv watch me with my eyes closed. later allJul 21 04:26
schestowitz-TR*changesJul 21 04:26
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schestowitz-TRAdmFubar: may you enjoy your next sleep paralysis experience;-)Jul 21 04:26
schestowitz-TRoh, too lateJul 21 04:26
AriadneXRevan86: for me, its having familiar things in bed.  mattress is whateverJul 21 04:27
Ariadneblankets, stuffed animals, etcJul 21 04:27
schestowitz-TRbtw, you need a lot of force to snap out of such paralysis, like creating an adrenalin rush to supresede itJul 21 04:27
Dad/fnlol @ stuffed animalsJul 21 04:28
Ariadnei can sleep anywhere if i use my own blanketsJul 21 04:28
Ariadnelol @ phanesJul 21 04:28
schestowitz-TRduring this heat wave blankets only ruin the sleepJul 21 04:28
Dad/fnive always been a minimalist with that stuffJul 21 04:28
XRevan86Ariadne: I can lie sleepless while having a living animal sleeping next to me.Jul 21 04:28
XRevan86(I mean a cat)Jul 21 04:29
schestowitz-TRsmall one?Jul 21 04:29
XRevan86yes, 3kgJul 21 04:29
schestowitz-TRso technically a "pussy" (kitten)Jul 21 04:29
Dad/fnmy pup sits at the end of the bedJul 21 04:29
XRevan86Not by age, so not a kitten, but a pussy, yes.Jul 21 04:30
Dad/fnoccassional wakeup scene with him barking a skunk away from the windowJul 21 04:30
schestowitzhttps://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-28051930Jul 21 04:30
schestowitz "Facebook is facing criticism after it emerged it had conducted a psychology experiment on nearly 700,000 users without their knowledge."Jul 21 04:30
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.bbc.co.uk | Facebook emotion experiment sparks criticism - BBC NewsJul 21 04:30
schestowitzwhose experiment, cui bono?Jul 21 04:30
Dad/fnfrom his perspective he's doing his job and earning his rent so he just gets a pat on the head and a shushJul 21 04:31
schestowitz"Facebook secretly experiments on users to try make them sad. What could go wrong?"Jul 21 04:31
XRevan86For me the heat wave is over.Jul 21 04:31
Dad/fnyes this sounds like an organization who should be coordinating an army of culture shapers to keep the open source world movingJul 21 04:31
XRevan86But apparently it will make a comeback.Jul 21 04:32
schestowitzshithubJul 21 04:32
Dad/fnidgaf who approvesJul 21 04:32
schestowitzin linkedin microsoft can also decided who gets no job interviews, to some degreeJul 21 04:32
Dad/fnive been posting about that for 2 years on my blogJul 21 04:32
Dad/fnthey own github where the most of the open source code isJul 21 04:33
Dad/fnthey own linkedin where those same people find jobsJul 21 04:33
schestowitzcentralised media doesn't like talking about centralised  stuff as a threat to societyJul 21 04:33
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Dad/fnnot many people could get away with itJul 21 04:34
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Ariadnelinkedin sucksJul 21 04:35
Ariadnepolywork is the new hotnessJul 21 04:35
schestowitz-TRI have another approach:Jul 21 04:36
schestowitz-TRemployers that rely on Microsoft to find recruits...Jul 21 04:36
schestowitz-TRnot interested in themJul 21 04:36
Ariadnehiring people don't care about resumes anymoreJul 21 04:36
schestowitz-TRsame for Twitter, shuthub etc.Jul 21 04:36
Ariadnethey care about what people are doing nowJul 21 04:36
schestowitz-TRthey already broadcast bad tendenciesJul 21 04:36
Ariadneso, what i do isJul 21 04:36
Ariadnei blog about stuffJul 21 04:36
schestowitz-TRa charity in kenya sending me docx files said enough... Jul 21 04:36
Ariadneand then i have wordpress syndicate links to my blogJul 21 04:36
Ariadneto twitter etcJul 21 04:36
schestowitz-TRrightJul 21 04:37
Dad/fnyeah they doJul 21 04:37
schestowitz-TRso the real stuff is not in twitterJul 21 04:37
Dad/fnresumes are still one of the most important parts of the process besides network reputationJul 21 04:37
Ariadnei should clarify: hiring people at companies i want to work forJul 21 04:37
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Ariadnedont care so much about resumesJul 21 04:37
schestowitz-TRresumes are so 90sJul 21 04:38
schestowitz-TRwe had landlines and points of contact for referencesJul 21 04:38
schestowitz-TRno code to see over electronic means Jul 21 04:38
Ariadnegithub sucksJul 21 04:39
schestowitz-TRit'll be another skypeJul 21 04:39
schestowitz-TRskype is dying badlyJul 21 04:39
schestowitz-TRmicrosoft uses it to rebrandJul 21 04:39
schestowitz-TRfor illusion of "teams" growthJul 21 04:39
schestowitz-TRgive shithub another 5 years and see it as one of "many" that really countJul 21 04:39
schestowitz-TRslow-motion codeplex-isationJul 21 04:40
schestowitz-TRit'll be dominant like "edge" and "bing"Jul 21 04:40
Ariadnei don't like this whole GPT3 coding thingJul 21 04:40
Ariadnei think it is going to create a legal compliance nightmareJul 21 04:40
Ariadnethey did not teach their AI thing about licensesJul 21 04:41
Dad/fnanotehr gimmickJul 21 04:41
schestowitz-TReven before microsoft shithub didn't care about licensingJul 21 04:41
Dad/fnopenai shit is just thatJul 21 04:41
schestowitz-TRnow they use "hey hiu" as a legal dodgeJul 21 04:41
Dad/fnits all sunken cost fallacy after marketers realized they can sell AI but it isn't AIJul 21 04:41
Ariadnepeople have demonstrated it reproducing code from GPL quake3 engine and then saying it was something elseJul 21 04:41
schestowitz-TR"it's a computer that violated the GPL... SUE THE COMPUTER"Jul 21 04:42
Ariadneso it seems like a serious footgunJul 21 04:42
schestowitz-TRdad: same with "cloud"Jul 21 04:42
Dad/fnthese big corps are vulturing around looking for any viable means to start rampantly violating the gplJul 21 04:42
AriadnebasicallyJul 21 04:42
Dad/fnyou've got an entire software industry crumbling that desperately needs that to surviveJul 21 04:42
Ariadneso they'll launder it throuigh this AI thingJul 21 04:42
Dad/fnand the gpl doesn't ever get enforcedJul 21 04:43
Dad/fnbluemix, yayJul 21 04:43
schestowitz-TRit just did get enforcedJul 21 04:43
Dad/fnthat was a big assed flopJul 21 04:43
kingoffrancewell i said in another channel, what is more needed, something to write new code, or something to refactor?  normally its a "code smell" "antipattern" if you have a bunch of code, spread across multiple files/projects, almost the same but not quite.   you are in a repo of twisty little codeblocks, each slightly different. you are likely to be eaten by a copilotJul 21 04:43
Ariadnehellwig vs vmware makes enforcement kinda sketchy for large projectsJul 21 04:43
schestowitz-TR[01:27] <techrights-news> #GPL Enforcement and Violations: #Stockfish and More • 𝗧𝘂𝘅 𝗠𝗮𝗰𝗵𝗶𝗻𝗲𝘀 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/153608 #GNU #FreeSW #TuxMachinesJul 21 04:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | GPL Enforcement and Violations: Stockfish and More | Tux MachinesJul 21 04:43
Ariadnehellwig vs vmware was dismissed because they concluded that hellwig did not have enough copyright interest in linux to enforceJul 21 04:43
schestowitz-TRvmware insider admitted the violationJul 21 04:44
Dad/fnwe should have ariadne push new code to copilot's sources on the weekendsJul 21 04:44
schestowitzhttp://techrights.org/2020/04/28/openwashing-vmware-after-gpl-abuses/Jul 21 04:44
Dad/fnit'll fuck that AI up so hard it won't get shit doneJul 21 04:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The Linux Foundation Has Helped VMware Lie About Its Deliberate GPL Violations That are Connected to Microsoft, Another Prolific GPL Violator | TechrightsJul 21 04:44
Dad/fnsure msft wouldn't notice right awayJul 21 04:45
Ariadnephanes i mean, if you want me to write bad code, i can intentionally write bad code and push it to github :pJul 21 04:45
Dad/fnbut a few months down the line someone's using it and waht comes out looks like a star trek teleporter malfunctionJul 21 04:45
Dad/fnscreaming to be purgedJul 21 04:45
Ariadnei have made submissions to IOCCC beforeJul 21 04:45
Dad/fnjust take a few big hits of ALD-52 and set up a hotkey to commit and pushJul 21 04:46
Ariadnei mean, my doing LSD in the desert days are kinda behind me tbhJul 21 04:47
Dad/fnnahJul 21 04:48
Dad/fnim pretty sure you're still draggin them behind you with a rope everywhereJul 21 04:48
Ariadnenot reallyJul 21 04:48
Dad/fndraggin' somethinJul 21 04:48
Ariadnelast time i tripped on acid it was not a particularly great timeJul 21 04:48
Dad/fnnobody goes "sorry for lying about you it was just business" who isn't dragging something heavy that they can't handle on their ownJul 21 04:50
Ariadnei don't think i've lied about you, i've disclosed logs that were sent to me, and that was indeed, just businessJul 21 04:50
schestowitzhttp://techrights.org/2011/10/23/steve-jobs-exposed/Jul 21 04:50
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Steve Jobs and His War on Linux, LSD Addiction, and ‘Theft’ of Credit for UNIX, Java, Xerox Inventions | TechrightsJul 21 04:50
Ariadnei also removed those logs on your requestJul 21 04:52
techrights-newsToday’s #HowTos | #UNIX • 𝗧𝘂𝘅 𝗠𝗮𝗰𝗵𝗶𝗻𝗲𝘀 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/153630 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachinesJul 21 04:53
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's howtos | Tux MachinesJul 21 04:53
Ariadnehowever, after andrew decided that freenode should commit seppaku, my interest in discussing freenode (to discourage use of andrew's bouncy castle) wanedJul 21 04:55
Ariadnebut, yes, attempt to gaslight me all you want :)Jul 21 04:56
Dad/fnmy impression was that it was turning out to be less supply than you can get elsewhereJul 21 04:56
Dad/fnthe whole freenode thing i meanJul 21 04:56
Ariadnei was just covering the swamp, specifically andrew's reconfiguration of itJul 21 04:57
Ariadneafter he, in his words, "obliterated the swamp" there was no reason to cover it anymoreJul 21 04:57
Ariadnei have in fact, criticized previous freenode personnel in the same way.  ask christel :)Jul 21 04:58
Ariadnechristel tried to involve herself in the administration of one of my projects simply because we used freenodeJul 21 04:59
Dad/fnoh i dont doubt that it's been convenient for you at timesJul 21 04:59
techrights-news#Server: Clown, Security, and Navy Linux • 𝗧𝘂𝘅 𝗠𝗮𝗰𝗵𝗶𝗻𝗲𝘀 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/153631 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachinesJul 21 04:59
Ariadneand she did not like that i accepted patches from somebody she did not like (jzk)Jul 21 04:59
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Server: Clown, Security, and Navy Linux | Tux MachinesJul 21 05:00
Ariadnethe reason i give libera the benefit of the doubt is because christel is explicitly not involvedJul 21 05:00
Ariadneif christel were involved, i would not have anything nice to say about libera either :)Jul 21 05:00
Dad/fnthey're the same people that created the atmosphere that facilitated that entire fiascoJul 21 05:00
Ariadneto some extent, but christel is really the person responsible, she told her team one thing, and she told andrew another thingJul 21 05:01
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Dad/fnher team needs to be working at aldiJul 21 05:01
Ariadnegiven that, it is not surprising that the libera team moved to protect their own interestsJul 21 05:01
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Dad/fnthe ends don't justify the meansJul 21 05:02
Dad/fnthe way in which people do things is as important as what they doJul 21 05:02
Dad/fnand in some cases more important than why they do themJul 21 05:03
Ariadnewell, i agree, which is why i covered the way which freenode's new staff did thingsJul 21 05:03
Ariadne:)Jul 21 05:03
XRevan86Dad: Are ye talking about the Liberia spam again?Jul 21 05:03
Dad/fnits not just the spamJul 21 05:03
Ariadnewell, really, all of this is grumble's doingJul 21 05:03
Dad/fnthese people deliberately fostered a breeding ground for those kinds of toxic behaviours for more than a decadeJul 21 05:03
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Ariadnehes the one who set things in motion with that mass kill he didJul 21 05:04
Ariadnei was planning on just setting up ircds for my projectsJul 21 05:04
Dad/fnthey turn a blind eye selectively to that shit for plausible deniability but that doesn't mean its ethicalJul 21 05:04
Ariadnealpine was already working on setting up its own irc serversJul 21 05:04
Dad/fnthey also did deliberately set out to burn the walls down on the way outJul 21 05:04
Dad/fnfuchs' threats to andrew were tellingJul 21 05:04
Ariadneoh, i agree with you there 100%Jul 21 05:04
XRevan86Ariadne: Ye do?Jul 21 05:05
Dad/fnbut its not just these eventsJul 21 05:05
Ariadneyes, i think the network was handed over in a barely operational stateJul 21 05:05
Dad/fnits the atmosphere they've bred, the toxic miasma that forms around them and permeates these projectsJul 21 05:05
Ariadnei saw it for myselfJul 21 05:05
Dad/fntoxic people seek toxic people for safety in numbersJul 21 05:05
Dad/fnand then they establish authorityJul 21 05:05
XRevan86Ariadne: Was it something they did?Jul 21 05:05
Dad/fnand then they misuse that authorityJul 21 05:06
AriadneXRevan86: they deleted the ansible playbooks or whateverJul 21 05:06
Ariadneso literallyJul 21 05:06
Dad/fnand the ticket systemJul 21 05:06
Ariadnethe way andrew's team was running the networkJul 21 05:06
Ariadnefor likeJul 21 05:06
Ariadnethe first weekJul 21 05:06
Ariadnethey were literally just sshing into thingsJul 21 05:06
Ariadneand doing it by handJul 21 05:06
Dad/fnbut like i said this isn't just about what they did on the way out, or their campaign after the fact to try to reclaim what they appropriately lostJul 21 05:07
Ariadneanyway, i had issues with christel's freenode tooJul 21 05:07
Dad/fnafter a while the potential of what you could be gets eaten by what you've beenJul 21 05:07
Ariadnei'm willing to, to an extent, give libera some benefit of the doubtJul 21 05:07
Ariadnebut, alpine chose OFTC for a reasonJul 21 05:07
XRevan86Ariadne: I see, haven't heard about that before.Jul 21 05:07
Dad/fnwhatJul 21 05:07
Dad/fnOFTC are the SAME PEOPLEJul 21 05:07
Dad/fnas long as tom wesley and his stooges are strangling it OFTC will be just as broken as liberaJul 21 05:08
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Dad/fnwhen you have corrupt network authority you get corrupt project leadership because they lean on each other to obfuscate and enable their behavioursJul 21 05:09
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Ariadneto an extent, but to an extent also notJul 21 05:10
Ariadneultimately OFTC answers to the debian folksJul 21 05:10
Dad/fnwhat not extent, he's been using oftc as a springboard into freenode to try to establish a mini-coup and still has that influence with that same group because libera is old freenode's crewJul 21 05:10
AriadnenoJul 21 05:10
Ariadnetomaw has been freenode staff since 2005Jul 21 05:11
Dad/fnyes, and that's why he's been completely invisible through all of this because he knows libera and oftc have the open source projects so he can keep moving forward with it when the dust settlesJul 21 05:11
Ariadnehis involvement in OFTC is much newerJul 21 05:11
Dad/fnim not talking about the timeline im talking about the establishment of OFTC furthering his interests at freenodeJul 21 05:12
Ariadnehis interests to do what, precisely?Jul 21 05:12
Dad/fnits a coupJul 21 05:12
Ariadnesolanum is the continuation of charybdis, it has my blessingJul 21 05:12
Ariadnecharybdis was ultimately destroyed because of christel mucking around and intimidating the projectJul 21 05:12
Dad/fnsome people just want to control stuff, and this is what he thinks will give him the most supplyJul 21 05:13
Ariadneeveryone left because they did not wish to be k-lined by christelJul 21 05:13
Dad/fnyou know when i hear your version of that it sounds so much like the cover story the slackware heads are usingJul 21 05:14
Ariadnei mean, there does seem to be some similarities, except instead of a fear of being k-lined by christel, they were actually k-lined by youJul 21 05:18
Ariadnebut i need to take a napJul 21 05:18
Ariadneso, toodlesJul 21 05:18
Dad/fnyep they wereJul 21 05:18
Ariadnewell, it is unsurprising that people who have been k-lined from freenode would recommend not using itJul 21 05:19
Dad/fnyeah i dont care what they recommendJul 21 05:20
Ariadneyou seem to care, we've been discussing it for the past 2 hours :)Jul 21 05:20
Ariadneamongst other topics, admittedlyJul 21 05:20
Dad/fni did mention it 3 minutes ago once but i appreciate that timelines aren't your forteJul 21 05:20
Ariadnei meant freenode at largeJul 21 05:22
Ariadneanyway, goodnightJul 21 05:22
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gustafDad/fn: gotta agree with you that the main issue with uncontrolled spread of Covid would have been healthcare collapse, not mass deathJul 21 06:21
gustafbut I do think western govs don't want to imply that healthcare is limited Jul 21 06:22
gustafbut I also think a situation with overloaded ICUs and triage would have led to a bigger panic and issues than what we have with lockdowns etcJul 21 06:23
gustafvz. Spanish Flu Jul 21 06:24
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kingoffranceevan (dont want to needlessly hilight) i should add, i dont think it is bad irc has some hierarchy.  just that, there is implied contract when you connect to a network, you will follow the rules.  there is implied you join a channel you will follow the rules of the channel, etc.    so i think "freedom" marketing is largely illusion, there's always been implied "delegation" as it were just by connecting (nevermind any other "internet citizenship" Jul 21 06:40
kingoffranceor local laws/whatever/wherever physical servers are located,etc.)Jul 21 06:40
kingoffranceso maybe that is, apropos the saying. its an implied contract joining a channel you follow the rulesJul 21 06:42
kingoffranceits implied by being in the vicinityJul 21 06:43
kingoffrancethus, freedom is irrelevant. you get compelled performance/equity, as if there was some contract in play.  only q is did you honor contract or not Jul 21 06:44
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kingoffranceanyways :)Jul 21 06:44
kingoffrancewhen there's a contract at play "freedom" is irrelevantJul 21 06:45
kingoffrancethe assumption is you agreed to sign away some "freedom"Jul 21 06:45
kingoffrancein that sense, i would say "law" analogies are doomedJul 21 06:46
kingoffrancegenerically, castle or community, i think that perhaps is closerJul 21 06:49
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kingoffrance*or monastery, similar thing going onJul 21 06:54
kingoffranceso, not just a saying, applies to many things :)Jul 21 06:59
kingoffranceirony is perhaps, EULAs versus old ftp sites "you agree by connecting you are not FBI" etc. lolJul 21 07:03
kingoffranceirony in that, both sides rely on such contractsJul 21 07:03
kingoffrancei dont think courts gave them equal powers, but yeah :)Jul 21 07:04
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gustafI don't view Lee as being particularly intelligent, and smarter people than he have a problem with distinguishing censorship from moderation Jul 21 07:11
gustafI have no problem with Freenode chanops or staff banning people Jul 21 07:12
gustafI do have a problem with them being hypocritical about it Jul 21 07:12
kingoffranceyeah i dunno, although i agree with Dad " as soon as you associate your personal life with your job like its some status symbol you stop being a private person and start being an owned extension of that company"   except i think businesses crossed that line long agoJul 21 07:13
kingoffrancemaybe, there is more than just employees and that lineJul 21 07:14
kingoffrancethat pandora's box is wide open i think :)Jul 21 07:14
gustafI view my employment purely as transactionalJul 21 07:15
gustafmaybe he means stuff like associating with open source/idealistic projects? Jul 21 07:15
gustafI dunno Jul 21 07:15
kingoffrancewell i just mean businesses doing any "politics". in usa you'll find car dealerships with flags everywhere etc.Jul 21 07:16
kingoffranceso with lee "freedom" etc. Jul 21 07:16
kingoffrancethat line was crossed long ago IMOJul 21 07:16
gustafthat's jsut marketingJul 21 07:16
gustafalso ideally nationalism transcends politics Jul 21 07:18
gustafimplying that if you're not proud to be a citizen you are an enemy is itself a political statement ;)Jul 21 07:18
kingoffrancei suppose i find it interesting, from what i saw, 20-30 years ago, many things were "we dont do politics, rms/fsf/etc. are politics/extremists"   now that seems to have kind of turned "we dont do rms/fsf, they dont match my politics"Jul 21 07:21
kingoffrancelike before, non-ethics was why you cant do free software.  now it seems in some sense, free software is not ethical enoughJul 21 07:22
kingoffrancei dont know if id even say that is a dominant theme, just kind of strange to me to see it 180edJul 21 07:23
kingoffranceeven if its just small, particular attacksJul 21 07:23
kingoffranceit could jsut be i didnt notice before eitherJul 21 07:23
kingoffrancei mean, tech is neutral used to be a huge thingJul 21 07:24
kingoffranceseems that is almost nowhere nowJul 21 07:24
kingoffrancenot even saying that is good or badJul 21 07:24
kingoffrancejust marketing has changedJul 21 07:24
gustafan entire generation has grown up Jul 21 07:25
gustafwith FOSS Jul 21 07:26
gustafthere are developers active today who don't remember MSFT being as dominant as it was Jul 21 07:26
gustafaction / reaction Jul 21 07:26
kingoffrancelol  yes the merinvingian :)Jul 21 07:26
gustafMSFT got greedy and got struck down by the DOJ, so now the current big incumbents avoid those tripwiresJul 21 07:27
gustafalso erst kommen den EssenJul 21 07:27
gustafyou can't sustain yourself on righteousness forever Jul 21 07:27
gustafas FOSS has grown into general acceptance the fighting has turned inwards Jul 21 07:28
kingoffranceyeah, that makes senseJul 21 07:29
gustafI mean, central stuff like "freedom" haven't been settled ;)Jul 21 07:30
gustafGNU fans and BSD fans insist their view is the most "Free"Jul 21 07:30
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schestowitzgustaf:  I want to interjectJul 21 07:50
*schestowitz just woke upJul 21 07:50
schestowitz-TRthe inward thing has truck a neverJul 21 07:50
schestowitz-TRwhat's "inwards" is infiltrationJul 21 07:50
schestowitz-TRlike OSI defectingJul 21 07:50
schestowitz-TRand we need disinfectingJul 21 07:50
schestowitz-TRthe old guards, like IBM an Microsoft, fight backJul 21 07:51
schestowitz-TRin less traditional waysJul 21 07:51
schestowitz-TRwe need to explain what's happeningJul 21 07:51
schestowitz-TRlike, why the GPL is under attackJul 21 07:51
gustafI don't agree, but I don't have hard facts, just hunchesJul 21 07:51
schestowitz-TRspoiler: because it is popularJul 21 07:51
schestowitz-TRsame for LinuxJul 21 07:51
schestowitz-TRvery populareJul 21 07:51
schestowitz-TRand they are unable to compete anymoreJul 21 07:51
schestowitz-TRAndroid also become too big to crushJul 21 07:52
schestowitz-TRanother aspect is, we fight higher up the stack for freedomJul 21 07:52
schestowitz-TRas almost all Android "apps" are nonfreeJul 21 07:52
schestowitz-TRso the fighr for "freedom" -- no matter what they made up with "open" -- will never endJul 21 07:53
schestowitz-TRnaturally we get appetite and fight on for moreJul 21 07:53
schestowitz-TRGitHub was always less GPL-centricJul 21 07:53
schestowitz-TRso Microsoft took over and uses thatJul 21 07:53
schestowitz-TRIBM also doesn't want reciprocal licencesJul 21 07:53
schestowitz-TRit's why IBM cannot monopolise RHELJul 21 07:54
schestowitz-TRnot even with systemd, podman, ansible and whatnotJul 21 07:54
schestowitz-TRpeople clone and forkJul 21 07:54
schestowitz-TRgithub is failingJul 21 07:54
schestowitz-TRit's not growingJul 21 07:54
schestowitz-TRmore people learn the value of self-hostingJul 21 07:54
schestowitz-TRwe need to teach them thatJul 21 07:54
schestowitz-TRAndroid has many splinters, same for Chromium, so Google makes it harder to work aroundJul 21 07:55
schestowitz-TRlike very frequent release cyclesJul 21 07:55
schestowitz-TR(same as systemd)Jul 21 07:55
schestowitz-TRbut the community finds ways around it, as it did with audacityJul 21 07:55
schestowitz-TRthey try CLAJul 21 07:55
schestowitz-TRbut GPL wing at the endJul 21 07:55
schestowitz-TRand we find a way to regain freedomJul 21 07:56
schestowitz-TRwith audio editorsJul 21 07:56
schestowitz-TRso, going back to that "inward" thingJul 21 07:56
schestowitz-TRit's self-defenceJul 21 07:56
schestowitz-TRwhose? The freedom lovers (software freedom, mostly code geeks who know how to craft theiir own solutiobs)Jul 21 07:57
schestowitz-TRGroklaw fought back since the SCO lawsuit until 2013 -- about 10 yearsJul 21 07:58
schestowitz-TRTechrights started in 2006 (Microsoft-Novell collusion around software patents) and we still fight a similar battle (to Groklaw's) 15 years down the lineJul 21 07:58
schestowitz-TRhad we not had lots of people on our side, we would not have made it this far, so clearly people do pay attention and moreover careJul 21 07:59
schestowitz-TR[15:51] <tr-bridge> [techrights-news/tr] ...The person who authored this piece of #Microsoft apologism had also raised Microsoft money (bribes) for #SFC for two years in a row and worked hard to destroy RMS after receiving an award from him.Jul 21 07:59
schestowitz-TR[15:49] <tr-bridge> [techrights-news/tr] The corrupted OSI, which now sends the majority of its budget Microsoft's way ( #GitHub / #proprietarysoftware ), is of course pretending that mass violation of the #GPL by #Microsoft is no big deal https://opensource.org/copilotimpactJul 21 08:00
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schestowitz-TRwe are not fighting inwardsJul 21 08:00
schestowitz-TRGPL is under attackJul 21 08:00
schestowitz-TRby Mirosoft in HEY HI clothingJul 21 08:00
schestowitz-TRwe fight backJul 21 08:00
schestowitz-TROSI was neutered some time last yearJul 21 08:01
techrights-news● NEWS ● #TimesHigherEducation #Education ☞ Putting the social back into #socialscontrolmedia https://www.timeshighereducation.com/news/putting-social-back-social-mediaJul 21 08:02
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-iTWire - Cyber attackers ‘weaponising’ Operational Technology to harm, kill humans: studyJul 21 08:03
kingoffrancewell, i can see that. painting things as "infighting" is what many attackers want, to disguise themselvesJul 21 08:03
kingoffrancethen its just "infighting" not coordinated from outside, etc.Jul 21 08:03
kingoffrancetakes all the attention away from themJul 21 08:03
techrights-news● NEWS ● #InternationalBusinessTimes #Privacy #Surveillance #Israel ☞ Pegasus row continues; Govt officials, Oppn politicians, activists part of snooping list in India [details] https://www.ibtimes.co.in/pegasus-row-continues-govt-officials-oppn-politicians-activists-part-snooping-list-india-838806Jul 21 08:03
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schestowitz-TRkingoffrance: there is that, tooJul 21 08:04
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techrights-newsiophk: "easier said than done, US government services are done online and tied to facial scans of IDs which have been outsourced to /very/ dodgy companies" https://odysee.com/@DistroTube:2/to-protect-yourself,-never-give-your-dna:c?Jul 21 08:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-odysee.com | To Protect Yourself, Never Give Your DNA Or Biometric DataJul 21 08:09
techrights-news#xml 2.5 decades later https://schematron.com/2021/07/the-goals-of-xml-at-25-and-the-one-change-that-xml-really-has-needed/Jul 21 08:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schematron.com » The Goals of XML at 25: and the one change that XML really now needsJul 21 08:10
schestowitzx https://www.computerworld.com/article/3625870/in-the-fight-against-ransomwar-microsoft-must-do-more.htmlJul 21 08:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-In the fight against ransomware, Microsoft must do more | ComputerworldJul 21 08:10
schestowitz# m$ and every last one of its minions simply needs to go away:Jul 21 08:10
schestowitz# don't go away mad, just go awayJul 21 08:10
techrights-newsCan't tell the difference bwteeen #systemd and #linux then? Or local escalation versus remote (Windows has lots of that)? https://www.itnews.com.au/news/linux-systemd-bug-allows-denial-of-service-attacks-567690 https://duo.com/decipher/privilege-escalation-flaw-found-buried-in-linux-file-systemJul 21 08:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.itnews.com.au | Linux systemd bug allows denial of service attacks - Security - Software - iTnewsJul 21 08:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-duo.com | Privilege Escalation Flaw Found Buried in Linux File System | DecipherJul 21 08:12
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schestowitzactivelow: morningJul 21 08:13
activelowgreetingsJul 21 08:14
techrights-news● NEWS ● #CommonDreams #wikileaks ☞ Critics Note Blinken's Vow to Support 'Independent Journalists' Does Not Apply to Julian #Assange https://www.commondreams.org/news/2021/07/20/critics-note-blinkens-vow-support-independent-journalists-does-not-apply-julianJul 21 08:15
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techrights-news● NEWS ● #DemocracyNow #wikileaks #assange ☞ Amnesty International: Julian Assange’s “Arbitrary” Detention Must End. Release Him Now. https://www.democracynow.org/2021/7/20/julian_assange_detention_agnes_callamardJul 21 08:15
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techrights-news● NEWS ● #Tor #mozilla ☞ New Release: Tor Browser 11.0a2 https://blog.torproject.org/new-release-tor-browser-110a2Jul 21 08:16
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techrights-news● NEWS ● #Tor #torproject ☞ New Release: #TorBrowser 10.5.3 (Android) https://blog.torproject.org/new-release-tor-browser-1053Jul 21 08:17
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techrights-newsHow Do You Solve a Privacy Problem Like Facebook? Two New Ways Emerge - PIA VPN Blog ⚓ https://www.privateinternetaccess.com/blog/how-do-you-solve-a-privacy-problem-like-facebook-two-new-ways-emerge/ ䷉ #privateinternetaccessJul 21 08:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.privateinternetaccess.com | How Do You Solve a Privacy Problem Like Facebook? Two New Ways Emerge – PIA VPN BlogJul 21 08:18
techrights-news● NEWS ● #DemocracyNow ☞ Amnesty Int’l Calls for Moratorium on Private Spyware After Israeli #NSO#Group Pegasus Revelations https://www.democracynow.org/2021/7/20/pegasus_spyware_israel_nso_groupJul 21 08:21
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techrights-news● NEWS ● #TruthOut ☞ Marjorie Taylor Greene Suspended From #Twitter for Posting False #COVID19 Claims https://truthout.org/articles/marjorie-taylor-greene-suspended-from-twitter-for-posting-false-covid-claims/ OK, but will Twitter still bag bribes from COVID profiteers? http://techrights.org/2021/07/05/bill-gates-pays-twitter/Jul 21 08:24
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-truthout.org | Marjorie Taylor Greene Suspended From Twitter for Posting False COVID ClaimsJul 21 08:24
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Reality is Warped When You Pay for ‘Perception Management’ (or: Bill Gates Pays Twitter for Propaganda) | TechrightsJul 21 08:25
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techrights-news● NEWS ● #Techdirt ☞ #WIPO Says Johnson & Johnson Can't Seize Parody Website Suggesting Band Aids With Corporate Sponsors https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20210716/16243147187/wipo-says-johnson-johnson-cant-seize-parody-website-suggesting-band-aids-with-corporate-sponsors.shtml WIPO does worse than J&J: http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/WIPOJul 21 08:38
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gustafkingoffrance, schestowitz-TR I see it as an internal "culture war" thing though. Lots of noise about "codes of conduct", anti-LGBTJul 21 08:52
gustafjust standard US politics thru a free software lensJul 21 08:52
gustafwhether it's internal or directed from the outside isn't really the point Jul 21 08:53
gustafaccusing people who care about inclusivity in free software of being paid shills doesn't resolve anything Jul 21 08:54
gustafit just shifts the blame Jul 21 08:54
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kingoffrancedont disagree. but codes of conduct is not software license, its some other issueJul 21 09:00
gustafnarrowly focussing on "code" as opposed to "codes of conduct" is itself dodging the issueJul 21 09:01
gustaffree software is a social activityJul 21 09:01
gustafpeopel will come into contact with other people Jul 21 09:01
kingoffrancenot according to freedom 0Jul 21 09:01
kingoffrancei agree to a pointJul 21 09:02
kingoffrancei just dont have a solutionJul 21 09:02
gustafhehe me neither Jul 21 09:02
gustafbecause these things exist outside the FOSS community Jul 21 09:02
gustafpeople don't check ideas and prejudices at the door Jul 21 09:02
kingoffrancei agree perhaps ignoring such things doesnt solve anything, but still dont have a solutionJul 21 09:03
kingoffranceCM says its libertarianJul 21 09:03
kingoffranceso, ppl are all over the placeJul 21 09:03
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kingoffrancepoint being, libertarian implies "freedom of association"Jul 21 09:04
kingoffrance(or not)Jul 21 09:04
kingoffrance(of who to associate with, or not)Jul 21 09:04
gustafthe freedom to fork is always there, but Adam Smith's dictum of comparative advantage still appliesJul 21 09:05
gustafit's more efficient to have a larger community doing the workJul 21 09:06
gustafschestowitz-TR: it really does look like Muse is doing a Lee instead of competing on the merits of their code Jul 21 09:06
gustafor community Jul 21 09:06
gustafkingoffrance: who is CM in this case? Jul 21 09:06
gustafI personally believe libertarianism is a pernicious ideology Jul 21 09:07
gustafbut it's very prevalent online Jul 21 09:07
kingoffrancecrystal math Jul 21 09:07
gustafoh him ;)Jul 21 09:08
kingoffrancejust didnt want to highlightJul 21 09:08
gustafat least he explicitely states that... for many people it's un-acknowledged Jul 21 09:08
kingoffranceyes, i dont know where i am on that, but agree with thatJul 21 09:08
gustafdoubt we will resolve the open source conumdrum today ;)Jul 21 09:10
gustafFWIW I think Free software / GNU is better in the long run than BSD/MITJul 21 09:11
gustafwe're seeing digital sharecropping among popular MIT -licensed projectsJul 21 09:12
gustafbig corps skimming off free labor Jul 21 09:12
gustafGNU might not have a solution to the "how to get paid writing free software" but it's also not giving away labor for absolutley nothing Jul 21 09:13
kingoffrancei guess for me if i was in charge of some project the solution would be:   1) have -social channel 2) duke it out thereJul 21 09:15
gustaflol some people have weird hobbies https://www.npr.org/2014/05/21/314607045/penny-hoarders-hope-for-the-day-the-penny-dies?t=1626851547618Jul 21 09:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.npr.org | Penny Hoarders Hope For The Day The Penny Dies : NPRJul 21 09:16
gustafsmallest unit of currency in Sweden is the 1 SEK coin, ~10 cents Jul 21 09:17
activelowa thought about github crossed my mind, which is activity metrics are kept there which do not account for mine: remove and delete whatever possibleJul 21 09:19
kingoffrancei guess, self-hosting means people/projects will make whatever rules for contributions/mailing lists/whateverJul 21 09:21
kingoffrancei mean, more a q of what more organized standards larger entities will enforce or notJul 21 09:22
kingoffranceas general "codes" etc.Jul 21 09:22
kingoffrancei know that might sound like a cop outJul 21 09:22
kingoffrancei just not sure what else to sayJul 21 09:22
kingoffrance*i amJul 21 09:23
kingoffranceunless someone wants to start wedding codes of conduct to licenses Jul 21 09:23
kingoffranceand then, both are jointly requiredJul 21 09:23
kingoffranceand "self-hosting" is no escapeJul 21 09:23
kingoffrancei cant say that will magically work out, but long run perhaps people will gravitate to wherever they feel comfortableJul 21 09:25
kingoffrancenot saying it will be pretty Jul 21 09:25
kingoffranceor even efficientJul 21 09:25
kingoffrancei mean, if nothing happens, thats what i see happeningJul 21 09:31
kingoffrancehttp://dict.org/bin/Dict?Form=Dict2&Database=devil&Query=omen    OMEN, n.  A sign that something will happen if nothing happens.    lolJul 21 09:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-dict.org- omenJul 21 09:32
kingoffrancea sign if some other sign doesnt throw it off lolJul 21 09:32
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gustaf"ethical licenses" are an attempt to enforce certain conducts thru licensesJul 21 09:38
gustafofc they break freedom 0 Jul 21 09:39
kingoffranceyes, i havent really seen such, but its there for people who want them i guessJul 21 09:39
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activelowmaybe a software license does not and cannot cover aspects of ethics and morality, besides freedom evenJul 21 09:45
activelowGPL can enforce copyleft, as a utility to protect freedom, if possible, which often it isn't regardless of any type of licenseJul 21 09:46
gustafit's a narrow sort of freedomJul 21 09:50
gustafand that's okJul 21 09:50
gustafGPL doesn't ensure freedom from surveillance for example Jul 21 09:50
activelowand neither most of software development nor any activity in "social control media" are "social" as suchJul 21 09:56
activelownonetheless free software development is framed into a debate about "social" issues, which doesn't help either to cope with such "social" issue nor with free software development itselfJul 21 09:58
gustafeven if you just concentrate on the narrow sense of "producing working code" (as opposed to "changing the world") that is a _social_ activity Jul 21 10:02
gustafat least once the group exceeds a certain size Jul 21 10:02
gustafbecasue you will get some asshole who will bring up another's gender or sexuality instead of working together for the good of the project Jul 21 10:03
gustafthe best CoC are just codifications of the golden rule "don't be a dick"Jul 21 10:03
activelowtend to disagree that staring at a computer monitor and programming are a social activityJul 21 10:04
gustaffree software implicitely invites others to collaborate wiht you Jul 21 10:05
gustafeven projects like Suckless have participants who engage in debates re: CoC etc Jul 21 10:07
gustafeven though they are explicitely "only about the code" Jul 21 10:07
gustafpeople are social and want to express themselves Jul 21 10:07
gustafthis looks interesting https://lichess.org/blog/YPc7GREAACgAevs5/fat-fritz-is-not-the-only-ripoff-and-now-chessbase-is-getting-suedJul 21 10:11
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activelow^ i think the question is who the author of the relevant sources was, since authors themselves may decide upon what is published and which license applied to their own workJul 21 10:27
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techrights-news● NEWS ● #EFF #india ☞ India’s Draconian Rules for Internet Platforms Threaten User #Privacy and Undermine #Encryption https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2021/07/indias-draconian-rules-internet-platforms-threaten-user-privacy-and-undermineJul 21 10:52
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.eff.org | India’s Draconian Rules for Internet Platforms Threaten User Privacy and Undermine Encryption | Electronic Frontier FoundationJul 21 10:52
techrights-news● NEWS ● #EFF #Internet ☞ Victory! #California Can Now Choose Their #Broadband Destiny https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2021/07/victory-californians-can-now-choose-their-broadband-destinyJul 21 10:52
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.eff.org | Victory! Californians Can Now Choose Their Broadband Destiny | Electronic Frontier FoundationJul 21 10:52
schestowitz<kingoffrance> dont disagree. but codes of conduct is not software license, its some other issueJul 21 10:55
schestowitzyes, that it the issueJul 21 10:55
schestowitzattempt to divide us along separate and parallel linesJul 21 10:55
schestowitzit's an old trickJul 21 10:55
schestowitzIRC wars have relied a lot on political divides rather than technicalJul 21 10:56
schestowitzWhen I criticsed OSI for selling out, this is their modus: http://techrights.org/2021/06/01/wikipedia-osi/Jul 21 10:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The Libel Initiative: OSI President Falsely Insinuates OSI Critics Are Homophobic and Requests Censorship of Wikipedia (for OSI) | TechrightsJul 21 10:56
schestowitzin the company where I work there is a "no politics" policyJul 21 10:57
schestowitzthere is no right or wrong politicsJul 21 10:57
schestowitzjust not mixing politics with the workJul 21 10:57
techrights-newsWhen "freedom" does not actually mean freedom https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20210719/11010147204/maga-freedom-phone-targets-rubes-with-dubious-promises-privacy.shtmlJul 21 10:59
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-MAGA 'Freedom Phone' Targets Rubes With Dubious Promises Of Privacy | TechdirtJul 21 10:59
kingoffrancewell im fine im someone says "theres no such thing as neutral"" all politics is everywhere (or personal or whatever) "  i just think its 1) a giant can of worms  2) as you said, some places that is not allowedJul 21 11:00
schestowitz<gustaf> smallest unit of currency in Sweden is the 1 SEK coin, ~10 cents Jul 21 11:00
kingoffrance*fine ifJul 21 11:00
schestowitzSweden has been dump enough to sage a wat on cashJul 21 11:00
schestowitz*dumbJul 21 11:00
schestowitz*warJul 21 11:00
schestowitz*wageJul 21 11:00
kingoffrancei guess, let ppl select the organizations they want to associate with etc.Jul 21 11:00
schestowitzwith this keyboard I really must proofreadJul 21 11:00
kingoffranceim ok with either view, but once that can is open, it never ends seeminglyJul 21 11:01
kingoffranceso maybe "neutral" is illusion, but some places still dont want to open that canJul 21 11:01
schestowitz<gustaf> "ethical licenses" are an attempt to enforce certain conducts thru licensesJul 21 11:01
schestowitzviolates freedom 0Jul 21 11:01
schestowitzfor the sake of someone's political agendaJul 21 11:02
schestowitzusing code to impose one's thinking on othersJul 21 11:02
schestowitzit's an affinity licenceJul 21 11:02
schestowitzyou can use my free' work, only as long as I like you...Jul 21 11:02
schestowitz<gustaf> GPL doesn't ensure freedom from surveillance for example Jul 21 11:03
schestowitzapacche does surveillanceJul 21 11:03
schestowitzit logs connectionsJul 21 11:03
schestowitzso does some gnu softwareJul 21 11:03
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Robotic Killing Machines and Our Future: Chris Pratt, Aliens and Drones - CounterPunch.orgJul 21 11:06
techrights-news"If there’s one thing antivaxxers love, it’s citing the Nuremberg Code. We’ve seen it (and I’ve discussed it here) many times before, coming from antivaxxers as diverse in their level of fanaticism as Mike Adams, who has all but called for “Nuremberg-style” trials for pro-vaccine physicians" https://respectfulinsolence.com/2021/07/20/the-nuremberg-code-gambit/Jul 21 11:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-respectfulinsolence.com | The "Nuremberg Code" gambit - RESPECTFUL INSOLENCEJul 21 11:07
techrights-news● NEWS ● #Techdirt ☞ The Eternal October: Bringing Back Tech Optimism, Without The Naivety https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20210718/01065747196/eternal-october-bringing-back-tech-optimism-without-naivety.shtmlJul 21 11:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-The Eternal October: Bringing Back Tech Optimism, Without The Naivety | TechdirtJul 21 11:08
techrights-news● NEWS ● #Techdirt ☞ Judge Ignores #FirstAmendment , Misreads Town Law, While Ordering Resident To Remove 'Fuck Biden' Signs https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20210717/15544047194/judge-ignores-first-amendment-misreads-town-law-while-ordering-resident-to-remove-fuck-biden-signs.shtml #FreeSpeech means you can also give #trump the fingerJul 21 11:19
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Judge Ignores First Amendment, Misreads Town Law, While Ordering Resident To Remove 'Fuck Biden' Signs | TechdirtJul 21 11:19
techrights-news● NEWS ● #EFF ☞ Pegasus Project Shows the Need for Real Device Security, Accountability and Redress for those Facing State-Sponsored Malware https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2021/07/nso-group-leak-shows-need-real-device-security-accountability-and-redress-those they mostly target so-called 'phones', which are #espionage magnets even without PegasusJul 21 11:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.eff.org | Pegasus Project Shows the Need for Real Device Security, Accountability and Redress for those Facing State-Sponsored Malware | Electronic Frontier FoundationJul 21 11:34
techrights-news#Canonical Pushes New Ubuntu Kernel Updates to All Supported Releases • 𝗧𝘂𝘅 𝗠𝗮𝗰𝗵𝗶𝗻𝗲𝘀 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/153632 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachinesJul 21 11:39
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techrights-news#IRC Proceedings: Tuesday, July 20, 2021 • тє¢няιﻭнтѕ ⚓ http://techrights.org/2021/07/21/irc-log-200721/ ䷉ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/07/21/irc-log-200721/Jul 21 12:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IRC Proceedings: Tuesday, July 20, 2021 | TechrightsJul 21 12:34
techrights-newsIs Valve CANCELING native games? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8SFBoB6xijY #games #gnu #linuxJul 21 12:36
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techrights-newsValve corrects the RAM specs for the Steam Deck, games should run nicely from SD Card | GamingOnLinux ⚓ https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2021/07/valve-corrects-the-ram-specs-for-the-steam-deck-games-should-run-nicely-from-sd-card ䷉ #GamingOnLinux #GNU #Linux #Games 🐧 | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/07/21/#latestJul 21 12:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Valve corrects the RAM specs for the Steam Deck, games should run nicely from SD Card | GamingOnLinuxJul 21 12:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com | Social Control Media PostsJul 21 12:37
techrights-newsRyan Gordon and Ethan Lee on Proton and the Steam Deck | GamingOnLinux ⚓ https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2021/07/ryan-gordon-and-ethan-lee-on-proton-and-the-steam-deck ䷉ #GamingOnLinux #GNU #Linux #Games 🐧 | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/07/21/#latestJul 21 12:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Ryan Gordon and Ethan Lee on Proton and the Steam Deck | GamingOnLinuxJul 21 12:39
techrights-newsThe Wine 6.13 development release is out now http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/153617#comment-30351Jul 21 12:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Wine 6.13 | Tux MachinesJul 21 12:40
techrights-newsRyan Gordon and Ethan Lee on Proton and the Steam Deck | GamingOnLinux ⚓ https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2021/07/ryan-gordon-and-ethan-lee-on-proton-and-the-steam-deck ䷉ #GamingOnLinux #GNU #Linux #Games 🐧 | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/07/21/#latestJul 21 12:41
techrights-newsLooks like #Splitgate will be the next 'big thing' FPS supported on Linux | GamingOnLinux ⚓ https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2021/07/looks-like-splitgate-will-be-the-next-big-thing-fps-supported-on-linux ䷉ #GamingOnLinux #GNU #Linux #GamesJul 21 12:42
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Looks like Splitgate will be the next 'big thing' FPS supported on Linux | GamingOnLinuxJul 21 12:42
techrights-news#Games: Stadia, Valve, and Splitgate • 𝗧𝘂𝘅 𝗠𝗮𝗰𝗵𝗶𝗻𝗲𝘀 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/153633 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachinesJul 21 12:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Games: Stadia, Valve, and Splitgate | Tux MachinesJul 21 12:46
techrights-newsLinux for Starters: Your Guide to Linux – Files and Permissions – Part 10 • 𝗧𝘂𝘅 𝗠𝗮𝗰𝗵𝗶𝗻𝗲𝘀 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/153634 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachinesJul 21 12:54
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techrights-news#Ubuntu Games for Kids • 𝗧𝘂𝘅 𝗠𝗮𝗰𝗵𝗶𝗻𝗲𝘀 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/153635 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachinesJul 21 12:58
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techrights-news#Top Android Emulators to Run and Test Android Apps on Linux • 𝗧𝘂𝘅 𝗠𝗮𝗰𝗵𝗶𝗻𝗲𝘀 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/153636 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachinesJul 21 13:04
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techrights-newsToday’s #HowTos | #UNIX • 𝗧𝘂𝘅 𝗠𝗮𝗰𝗵𝗶𝗻𝗲𝘀 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/153637 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachinesJul 21 13:11
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techrights-news#OpenSourceInitiative ( #OSI ) a Sinking Ship in Service of #Microsoft Monopoly, #ProprietarySoftware , and Even #GPL Violations http://techrights.org/2021/07/21/microsoft-plots-osi/Jul 21 13:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Open Source Initiative (OSI) a Sinking Ship in Service of Microsoft Monopoly, Proprietary Software, and Even GPL Violations | TechrightsJul 21 13:27
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techrights-news#Google #Android Leftovers • 𝗧𝘂𝘅 𝗠𝗮𝗰𝗵𝗶𝗻𝗲𝘀 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/153638 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachinesJul 21 13:27
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techrights-news#GraalVM 21.2 Released With New Optimizations, Better Linux AArch64 Support https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=GraalVM-21.2Jul 21 14:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-GraalVM 21.2 Released With New Optimizations, Better Linux AArch64 Support - PhoronixJul 21 14:13
techrights-news#google #germany : 20 years of empowering people to control technology https://fsfe.org/news/2021/news-20210721-01.en.htmlJul 21 14:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-fsfe.org | FSFE: 20 years of empowering people to control technology - FSFEJul 21 14:14
techrights-newsWell, #microsoft is ALL about the #corruption https://www.faqforge.com/microsoft-exchange-server-2016/dealing-with-ms-exchange-mailbox-corruption-reasons-solutions/ that's why it still exists: http://techrights.org/2021/03/17/epoleaks-report-march-2021-part-12/Jul 21 14:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.faqforge.com | Dealing with MS Exchange Mailbox Corruption – Reasons & SolutionsJul 21 14:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | EPO and Microsoft Collude to Break the Law — Part XII: Foreign Corrupt Practices, Bid Rigging and “Slush Funds” | TechrightsJul 21 14:15
techrights-news#PostgreSQL Weekly News - July 18, 2021 https://www.postgresql.org/about/news/postgresql-weekly-news-july-18-2021-2263/ #psqlJul 21 14:17
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techrights-news#pgSCV 0.7.0 released. https://www.postgresql.org/about/news/pgscv-070-released-2218/ #psqlJul 21 14:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.postgresql.org | PostgreSQL: pgSCV 0.7.0 released.Jul 21 14:18
techrights-news#GUADEC 2021 Online Conference Kicks Off for the GNOME 41 Desktop Environment • 𝗧𝘂𝘅 𝗠𝗮𝗰𝗵𝗶𝗻𝗲𝘀 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/153639 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachinesJul 21 14:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | GUADEC 2021 Online Conference Kicks Off for the GNOME 41 Desktop Environment | Tux MachinesJul 21 14:18
techrights-newsThe #OpenSourceInitiative (OSI), which nowadays approves licences it ought not approve, not only takes funding from enemies of Open Source/Free software (for #openwashing and silence/complicity); it actively promotes them and makes excuses for their attacks on #software reedom http://techrights.org/2021/07/21/microsoft-plots-osi/Jul 21 14:19
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techrights-newsAuthorization Basics https://www.fosslife.org/authorization-basicsJul 21 14:52
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MinceR21 095208 < gustaf> kingoffrance, schestowitz-TR I see it as an internal "culture war" thing though. Lots of noise about "codes of conduct", anti-LGBTJul 21 14:52
MinceRit isn't really internalJul 21 14:52
MinceRwhat have the likes of microsoft, ibm and ehmke ever done for free software?Jul 21 14:53
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techrights-newsLeadership lessons from the company whose leader left, because he was not happy https://enterprisersproject.com/article/2021/7/5-it-leadership-mistakes-avoidJul 21 14:55
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-enterprisersproject.com | 5 IT leadership mistakes to avoid: Alabama CIO of the Year winners share | The Enterprisers ProjectJul 21 14:55
techrights-newsBootstrap GitOps with Red Hat OpenShift Pipelines and kam CLI | Red Hat Developer ⚓ https://developers.redhat.com/articles/2021/07/21/bootstrap-gitops-red-hat-openshift-pipelines-and-kam-cli ䷉ #developers | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/07/21/#latestJul 21 14:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-developers.redhat.com | Bootstrap GitOps with Red Hat OpenShift Pipelines and kam CLI | Red Hat DeveloperJul 21 14:56
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techrights-newsLOLLLL!!!! "Tips on how journalists can avoid getting snooped" over at... yes, #proprietarySoftware with #surveillance and #backdoors https://kushaldas.in/posts/trouble-of-zoom-and-participant-name.htmlJul 21 14:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-kushaldas.in | Trouble of zoom and participant nameJul 21 14:58
techrights-newsThis has got to be a joke. #Fedora Magazine is promoting #Microsoft #proprietarySoftware #monopoly and #GPLviolations https://fedoramagazine.org/run-github-actions-on-fedora-coreos/Jul 21 15:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-fedoramagazine.org | Run GitHub Actions on Fedora CoreOS - Fedora MagazineJul 21 15:01
techrights-newsPlanet F#edora becomes inherently satirical, pushing Microsoft's #proprietarysoftware and anti-Linux thingsJul 21 15:03
gustafMinceR: you and schestowitz think the corruption is from the outside, I think it's internalJul 21 15:03
gustafbut the issues are there Jul 21 15:03
gustafthey're not going awayJul 21 15:03
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gustafand have to be dealt with Jul 21 15:04
MinceRi think only the useful idiots are internalJul 21 15:04
MinceRsome of them, anywayJul 21 15:04
gustafNo True Open Source Developer Jul 21 15:04
techrights-news"Soon after I set up my Rockpro64 board, Peter Robinson told me about an annoying bug that happened on machines with a Rockchip SoC." https://blog.dowhile0.org/2021/07/21/a-framebuffer-hidden-in-plain-sight/Jul 21 15:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.dowhile0.org | A framebuffer hidden in plain sight | Blog | Javier Martinez CanillasJul 21 15:05
MinceR"open source" is deadJul 21 15:06
schestowitzyupJul 21 15:06
MinceRhttps://blog.qualys.com/vulnerabilities-threat-research/2021/07/20/cve-2021-33910-denial-of-service-stack-exhaustion-in-systemd-pid-1Jul 21 15:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.qualys.com | CVE-2021-33910: Denial of Service (Stack Exhaustion) in systemd (PID 1) | Qualys Security BlogJul 21 15:07
schestowitzlet's redefine ptroptiatary as "open"Jul 21 15:07
schestowitzthen... WE WONJul 21 15:07
schestowitzeven shithub did thisJul 21 15:07
schestowitzfriedman... herded free software in proprietary softwareJul 21 15:08
schestowitzthan declariung we wonJul 21 15:08
schestowitzwho? microsot?Jul 21 15:08
MinceRit went from involving suits in free software to parasites sucking free software dry and attempting to kill it offJul 21 15:08
MinceRthere's a lesson in there for the communityJul 21 15:08
techrights-news"A successful DevOps"... blah blah blah... more #buzzwords ttps://enterprisersproject.com/article/2021/7/cicd-misconceptions-explained-part-2 #redhat #ibmJul 21 15:10
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psydruidhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_yZJHnwRy34&t=1461sJul 21 15:24
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techrights-newsAnkush Das back to posting #zemlin SPAM https://news.itsfoss.com/linux-foundation-sysadmin-day-sale/ don't do that please. LF = #proprietarySoftare front group and parasite: http://techrights.org/wiki/Linux_FoundationJul 21 15:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.itsfoss.com | Linux Foundation Offers $100 Off on Courses & Certifications to Celebrate Sysadmin Day - It's FOSS NewsJul 21 15:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Linux Foundation - TechrightsJul 21 15:27
techrights-news#Nautilus 40 Arrives in Ubuntu 21.10 Daily Builds • 𝗧𝘂𝘅 𝗠𝗮𝗰𝗵𝗶𝗻𝗲𝘀 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/153640 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachinesJul 21 15:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Nautilus 40 Arrives in Ubuntu 21.10 Daily Builds | Tux MachinesJul 21 15:37
techrights-newsSqueezing More Performance Out Of The Linux Kernel With Clang + LTO • 𝗧𝘂𝘅 𝗠𝗮𝗰𝗵𝗶𝗻𝗲𝘀 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/153641 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachinesJul 21 15:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Squeezing More Performance Out Of The Linux Kernel With Clang + LTO | Tux MachinesJul 21 15:37
techrights-news#Google #Android Leftovers • 𝗧𝘂𝘅 𝗠𝗮𝗰𝗵𝗶𝗻𝗲𝘀 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/153642 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachinesJul 21 15:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Android Leftovers | Tux MachinesJul 21 15:38
kingoffrancewell, simple fact is, some licenses give freedom 0, others "compel performance".  "inclusive" is a red herring. its a q of can anyone force you to be "inclusive" or notJul 21 15:40
kingoffranceand no, us politics never dealth with thisJul 21 15:40
kingoffrancethey said everyone has to be a federal citizen. confederacy is dead, the endJul 21 15:40
kingoffrance*dealt.Jul 21 15:41
kingoffrancethats a bad sign if you look thru that lensJul 21 15:41
kingoffrancemeans 160 years from now, still wont be over lolJul 21 15:41
kingoffranceno, it can be not dealt with for a long long long long timeJul 21 15:42
*MinceR wonders how many bits does a long long long haveJul 21 15:43
techrights-news#Sout Korea tables law to remove app stores' in-app purchase #monopolies • The Register ⚓ https://www.theregister.com/2021/07/21/south_korea_in_app_purchase_law/ ䷉ #theregister | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/07/21/#latestJul 21 15:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.com | South Korea tables law to remove app stores' in-app purchase monopolies • The RegisterJul 21 15:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com | Social Control Media PostsJul 21 15:43
techrights-news#Fedora and IBM/Red Hat • 𝗧𝘂𝘅 𝗠𝗮𝗰𝗵𝗶𝗻𝗲𝘀 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/153643 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachinesJul 21 15:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Fedora and IBM/Red Hat | Tux MachinesJul 21 15:44
MinceRhttps://full.pr0gramm.com/2021/06/13/1e9fecc505353cb7.jpgJul 21 15:44
techrights-newsLF paying sites for shameless marketing of itself and not #Linux is just more of the same. "Celebrate Sysadmin Day" when LF uses #Windows for it. http://techrights.org/2019/07/17/we-are-the-windows-powered-linux-foundation/Jul 21 15:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Linux Foundation Apparently Celebrates Sysadmin Day With a Microsoft Windows Site! | TechrightsJul 21 15:46
kingoffrancewell my point is not just a "culture war" its different type of "contract"Jul 21 15:47
kingoffranceone "use for any purpose" other "you can use to be inclusive only"Jul 21 15:47
kingoffranceit does not have to be this way, but if they are not allowed to be separate issues, i dont see any alternativeJul 21 15:48
kingoffranceso that might be blunt/hyperbolic, but if they cannot be separate issues, how else can it end up?Jul 21 15:48
kingoffranceif they arent separate issues, that switcheroo will have to happenJul 21 15:49
kingoffrancethe lens of whether they are separate issues or not, will shape the permitted solutionsJul 21 15:51
activelowthe confederacy is an anglo-american USA-specific issue, and it isn't a software license issue eitherJul 21 15:52
kingoffranceconway's law :)  remember remember, conway's lawJul 21 15:52
kingoffrancescroll up, responding to "just standard US politics thru a free software lens"Jul 21 15:52
kingoffrancei  didnt want to touch that, but others woke up/commentedJul 21 15:53
kingoffrancethe issue is can you compel "inclusiveness" or notJul 21 15:54
kingoffranceand is this inherent to software license or notJul 21 15:54
kingoffrance"ethical licenses" say yesJul 21 15:54
kingoffrancenon-ethical say noJul 21 15:54
activelowas far as politics are concerned laws exist which prohibit incitement, and it isn't up to some software developers to decide upon this with their license eitherJul 21 15:54
activelowand no software license can forbid to study history just because some business entities sanction itJul 21 15:56
activelowi am under the impression it sufficed occasionally to do just that: read and think before talking and typingJul 21 15:56
kingoffranceanother question is who/waht does "inclusiveness" mean? where does that start/end?Jul 21 15:57
kingoffrancei think even someone for that, might wonder is it ever-shifting?Jul 21 15:57
kingoffrancethe point is, "use for any purpose" will be "incitement" if the 2 must be mergedJul 21 15:59
kingoffranceso that doesnt really solve anythingJul 21 15:59
kingoffranceshould that be redefinition be allowed?Jul 21 16:00
kingoffrancewhat before was not incitement, will beJul 21 16:00
techrights-newsCLI Cloud Storage Manager Rclone 1.56.0 Adds New Serve Docker Command, Reworked Config, New librclone C Library • 𝗧𝘂𝘅 𝗠𝗮𝗰𝗵𝗶𝗻𝗲𝘀 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/153646 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachinesJul 21 16:00
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | CLI Cloud Storage Manager Rclone 1.56.0 Adds New Serve Docker Command, Reworked Config, New librclone C Library | Tux MachinesJul 21 16:00
techrights-news#PipeWire 0.3.32 Released With Numerous Fixes • 𝗧𝘂𝘅 𝗠𝗮𝗰𝗵𝗶𝗻𝗲𝘀 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/153645 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachinesJul 21 16:00
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | PipeWire 0.3.32 Released With Numerous Fixes | Tux MachinesJul 21 16:00
activelowby a software license? why? this isn't a concern of software licensing, it is common law.Jul 21 16:01
techrights-news#LinuxFoundation Leftovers • 𝗧𝘂𝘅 𝗠𝗮𝗰𝗵𝗶𝗻𝗲𝘀 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/153644 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachinesJul 21 16:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Linux Foundation Leftovers | Tux MachinesJul 21 16:01
kingoffrancewell, it may not get to that pointJul 21 16:01
kingoffrancebut if only "ethical" is allowedJul 21 16:01
kingoffrance...then will people try to outlaw "unethical" "use for any purpose" ?Jul 21 16:01
activelowa software license cannot decide upon ethics, even if anyone wanted toJul 21 16:02
techrights-news#privacy issues notwithstanding https://www.theregister.com/2021/07/20/government_launches_plans_for_digital/Jul 21 16:02
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.com | Verified: UK.gov launching plans for yet another digital identity scheme • The RegisterJul 21 16:02
techrights-news" #Linux 5.12 Kernel has reached “End of Life”. #Kernel developer Greg Kroah-Hartman has asked users to upgrade their kernel to 5.13 now." Very short life. Moving too fast? https://itsubuntu.com/linux-5-12-kernel-reaches-end-of-life/Jul 21 16:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Linux 5.12 Kernel Reaches End Of Life | Itsubuntu.comJul 21 16:03
techrights-news#Firebird 4.0 #Docker has been released with images for AMD64, ARM64 and ARM/V7 https://mapopa.blogspot.com/2021/07/firebird-40-docker-has-been-released.htmlJul 21 16:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-mapopa.blogspot.com | Mariuz's Blog: Firebird 4.0 Docker has been released with images for AMD64, ARM64 and ARM/V7Jul 21 16:05
techrights-news#curl 7.78.0 five in one https://daniel.haxx.se/blog/2021/07/21/curl-7-78-0-five-in-one/ #deletegithub #microsoft #monopoly #proprietarySoftware http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Delete_GithubJul 21 16:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-curl 7.78.0 five in one | daniel.haxx.seJul 21 16:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Delete Github - TechrightsJul 21 16:07
activelowi question the motives and honesty of those who seek to enforce politics with a software license beyond their scopeJul 21 16:09
kingoffranceeh, there's a word for when neutral is not allowed: religionJul 21 16:10
kingoffranceagain, us politics never solved thisJul 21 16:10
kingoffrancethere is no solutionJul 21 16:10
kingoffrancein that sense i agree with gustafJul 21 16:10
kingoffrancethat raised its headJul 21 16:10
techrights-newsIncrease security???? You already gave all YOUR mail and OTHER PEOPLE'S mail to Gulag and NSA. What security are you talking about? What #gmail drug are you smoking :-) h https://www.maketecheasier.com/google-gmail-security-with-bimi/Jul 21 16:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.maketecheasier.com | Google Aims to Increase Gmail Security with BIMI - Make Tech EasierJul 21 16:12
kingoffranceor, more generally, just incompatible philosophiesJul 21 16:12
techrights-newsCompany owned by Microsofters: "Has Microsoft figured out a way to invalidate the GPL? We're skeptical." https://www.jupiterbroadcasting.com/145652/dead-desktop-disco-coder-radio-423/ say who? http://techrights.org/2020/05/29/jupiter-broadcasting/Jul 21 16:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.jupiterbroadcasting.com | Dead Desktop Disco | Coder Radio 423 | Jupiter BroadcastingJul 21 16:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Microsoft-Connected CloudGuru Doesn’t Care About GNU/Linux and Now It’s Gradually Killing the BSD/Linux-Centric Jupiter Broadcasting (Bought by Linux Academy) | TechrightsJul 21 16:14
kingoffrancei pretty much agree with you activelow Jul 21 16:15
kingoffrancejust...theres no answerJul 21 16:15
kingoffrancenot without opening more cans of wormsJul 21 16:15
activelowi remember some exemplary debates, about north german confederation, which merely is german history, and mentioning it sufficed to be defamed as "right wing extremist" recentlyJul 21 16:16
activelowwhile historical facts are, hanseatic league was a predecessor of current European Union and international tradeJul 21 16:17
kingoffranceyes, daemon said something about "window of permissable discourse"Jul 21 16:17
kingoffranceif such a redefinition did occur, then you generally wont be able to discuss the old systemJul 21 16:17
techrights-newsAudiocasts/Shows: LINUX Unplugged, SteamDeck, KDE Connect, Coder Radio • 𝗧𝘂𝘅 𝗠𝗮𝗰𝗵𝗶𝗻𝗲𝘀 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/153647 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachinesJul 21 16:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Audiocasts/Shows: LINUX Unplugged, SteamDeck, KDE Connect, Coder Radio | Tux MachinesJul 21 16:17
activelowi don't need any permission from a software license to read about german and european history, and a software license or business entities who seek to sanction this are on my list to "boycott"Jul 21 16:19
techrights-news#proprietarySoftware drivers should always be presumed a #security hole, e.g. #hp with its keyloggers as "drivers" https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2021/07/nvidia-announce-new-security-issues-make-sure-you-have-updated-driversJul 21 16:19
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-NVIDIA announce new security issues, make sure you have updated drivers | GamingOnLinuxJul 21 16:19
activelowa software license and some business entities cannot and must not define what constitutional rights were supposed to beJul 21 16:20
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techrights-newsSPAMnil again helping blatant GPL violators sell #proprietarySoftware ... the #linuxfoundation is, like Bruce Pernes put it, a #GPL violators' club http://techrights.org/2020/04/28/openwashing-vmware-after-gpl-abuses/Jul 21 16:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The Linux Foundation Has Helped VMware Lie About Its Deliberate GPL Violations That are Connected to Microsoft, Another Prolific GPL Violator | TechrightsJul 21 16:21
kingoffrancei did see someone arguing software devs should be licensed due to security holes/etc.  and need held accountableJul 21 16:21
kingoffrancewhich im not sure intersects, just q who might be "exempt" if that came to passJul 21 16:22
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techrights-newsDefending Against Spyware Like #Pegasus https://puri.sm/posts/defending-against-spyware-like-pegasus/ #freesw is safer, but on a 'phone' nothing is safe from mass #surveillance because of the networkingJul 21 16:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-puri.sm | Defending Against Spyware Like Pegasus – PurismJul 21 16:22
kingoffranceOTOH, if business uses ms or <insert product here> is that the devs fault some company used something <not how it was designed> <for purpose it was not designed for> <in critical situation it was not designed for> etc.Jul 21 16:24
kingoffrancei dont see how a dev can be blamed someone misuses their software Jul 21 16:24
kingoffranceIIRC ms used to have this buried in license textJul 21 16:24
activelowprobably not an issue of software licensing: sabotage and industrial espionage are illegal anyway, doesn't require additional license termsJul 21 16:25
kingoffrancewell, they meant developers need license to write codeJul 21 16:25
kingoffrancesince e.g. other types of professionals need to be licensed etc.Jul 21 16:26
kingoffranceon the theory this would reduce security holes etc.Jul 21 16:26
kingoffranceand shoddy people/companies could no longer conduct businessJul 21 16:26
kingoffranceif they made crappy softwareJul 21 16:26
kingoffrancelicense would be suspended/pulledJul 21 16:26
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kingoffranceor maybe they'd need a bond lolJul 21 16:26
techrights-news#IBM and #Google uses the so-called 'Linux' Foundation to centralise control over what you can and cannot install on your own system https://www.redhat.com/en/blog/sigstore-open-answer-software-supply-chain-trust-and-security see http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148632#comment-28571Jul 21 16:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.redhat.com | Sigstore: An open answer to software supply chain trust and securityJul 21 16:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Security: Git, Tor, and Fake (Monopolised, Centralised) 'Security' From Linux Foundation | Tux MachinesJul 21 16:26
activelowa University degree or other education are granted by, well a university or school, independent from some big businessJul 21 16:27
activelowcouldn't follow argument how a software license should guarantee sufficient educationJul 21 16:27
activelowbesides, academic freedomJul 21 16:27
techrights-news#Security Leftovers • 𝗧𝘂𝘅 𝗠𝗮𝗰𝗵𝗶𝗻𝗲𝘀 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/153648 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachinesJul 21 16:28
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Security Leftovers | Tux MachinesJul 21 16:28
activelowand an employee's contract with a corporation can be terminted if bad quality code is produced, in compliance with labor market legislationJul 21 16:28
activelowif big corporations couldn't arrange for labor contracts to do so no idea who software licensing should address thisJul 21 16:29
activelow*howJul 21 16:29
kingoffrancei agree, just was noting "use for any purpose" would not matter, because only professionals could write code for certain purposesJul 21 16:30
activelow"use for any purpose" only means the license itself doesn't impose restrictions. this doesn't imply other legal restrictions apply: which sanction sabotage, industrial espionage, proliferation, money laundring or any other illegal activityJul 21 16:32
kingoffranceagreeJul 21 16:32
activelowa software license cannot and does not terminate other law, or constitutional rightsJul 21 16:33
techrights-news#Blender3d has been racking up lots of money from enemies of software freedom lately https://linuxiac.com/adobe-joins-the-blender-development-fund-as-a-corporate-gold-member/ see http://techrights.org/2020/08/23/blender-payments-from-microsoft-and-unity/Jul 21 16:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxiac.com | Adobe Joins the Blender Development Fund as a Corporate Gold MemberJul 21 16:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The Hand Inside the Blender: Microsoft Money for Blender’s Development Fund is Not a ‘Cookie Jar’ Donation But Another Power Move | TechrightsJul 21 16:33
kingoffrancei agree, but many dontJul 21 16:34
kingoffrance"social contract"Jul 21 16:34
kingoffrancethats all the law and gov is -- one giant contractJul 21 16:34
techrights-news[Meme] #Microsoft Does to Free Software Projects What Bill Gates Has Done to the Media for Two Decades • тє¢няιﻭнтѕ ⚓ http://techrights.org/2020/08/23/tainted-microsoft-money/ ䷉ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2020/08/23/tainted-microsoft-money/Jul 21 16:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | [Meme] Microsoft Does to Free Software Projects What Bill Gates Has Done to the Media for Two Decades | TechrightsJul 21 16:34
kingoffrance*all it is to some pplJul 21 16:34
techrights-newsIt’s 2020 and Some GNU/Linux Sites Still Celebrate Mono, Even When Microsoft Owns and Controls It Directly • тє¢няιﻭнтѕ ⚓ http://techrights.org/2020/08/27/helping-mono/ ䷉ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2020/08/27/helping-mono/Jul 21 16:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | It’s 2020 and Some GNU/Linux Sites Still Celebrate Mono, Even When Microsoft Owns and Controls It Directly | TechrightsJul 21 16:35
techrights-newsTurn Away From Microsoft Money (Influence for Sale) • тє¢няιﻭнтѕ ⚓ http://techrights.org/2020/08/20/influence-for-sale-to-microsoft/ ䷉ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2020/08/20/influence-for-sale-to-microsoft/Jul 21 16:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Turn Away From Microsoft Money (Influence for Sale) | TechrightsJul 21 16:36
techrights-newsJack Wallen -- like his publisher (mouthpiece of Microsoft and Linux Foundation) -- for adding bloat, complexity and Microsoft GitHub/blobs to Linux kernel https://www.techrepublic.com/article/let-the-linux-kernel-rust/ see http://techrights.org/2020/08/31/linux-should-reject-github/Jul 21 16:42
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Let the Linux kernel Rust - TechRepublicJul 21 16:42
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The Linux Kernel Needs to Reject Rust for the Same Reason Linus Torvalds Rejects GitHub (Where Rust is Hosted and Developed) | TechrightsJul 21 16:42
psydruid> [notice] techrights.org | It’s 2020 and Some GNU/Linux Sites Still Celebrate Mono, Even When Microsoft Owns and Controls It Directly | TechrightsJul 21 16:43
psydruidThere is something shipped in Ubuntu and Debian which still pulls in Mono, as I recently found out when I suddenly had lots of updates for itJul 21 16:43
techrights-newsDeep inside #Torvalds must have reached acceptance of the fact that he's no longer in charge of Linux because of financial strings of monopolies. http://techrights.org/2019/10/30/losing-control-of-linux/Jul 21 16:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Torvalds ‘Aging Faster’ Since Losing Control of Linux | TechrightsJul 21 16:44
schestowitzpsydruid: can you find out what that was?Jul 21 16:44
schestowitzwe still need to eradicate itJul 21 16:45
schestowitzhttp://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/MonoJul 21 16:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Mono - TechrightsJul 21 16:45
schestowitzmight also need to update http://techrights.org/wiki/Mono_ApplicationsJul 21 16:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Mono Applications - TechrightsJul 21 16:45
schestowitzit's over a decade out of dateJul 21 16:45
techrights-news319 terabits – great Scott! Boffins in Japan speed along information superhighway at new world record https://www.theregister.com/2021/07/19/319_terabits_internet_speed/ meanwhile in #uk : http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2021/07/20/dont-fall-for-residential-fibre/Jul 21 16:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.com | 319 terabits – great Scott! Boffins in Japan speed along information superhighway at new world record • The RegisterJul 21 16:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com » Blog Archive » The Optical Fibre Experience — Part IVJul 21 16:46
psydruidschestowitz, there are still many packages which depend on it, so I'm hesitant to completely remove them nowJul 21 16:48
psydruidBut I will try to document what I see is being removed when I issue a command purge all Mono packages, as I have a full Debian install (I installed almost everything)Jul 21 16:48
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techrights-news#RimWorld 1.3 and the Ideology DLC are officially out now | GamingOnLinux ⚓ https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2021/07/rimworld-13-and-the-ideology-dlc-are-officially-out-now ䷉ #GamingOnLinux #GNU #Linux #Games 🐧 | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/07/21/#latestJul 21 16:55
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-RimWorld 1.3 and the Ideology DLC are officially out now | GamingOnLinuxJul 21 16:55
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com | Social Control Media PostsJul 21 16:55
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techrights-news"Operations Manager specifically to build a premium customer experience for current and future Mozilla’s paid products." CHOKE CHOKE... https://blog.mozilla.org/sumo/2021/07/21/introducing-joseph-cuevas/ ䷉ #Mozilla #WWW #FreeSW #Firefox #InternetJul 21 16:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.mozilla.org | Introducing Joseph Cuevas – The Mozilla Support BlogJul 21 16:58
MinceRhttps://img.pr0gramm.com/2021/06/13/6a33a1a7985afe73.jpgJul 21 17:00
techrights-newsSome 'Linux' sites still foolishly promote a Microsoft PR stunt that's a Microsoft 'distro' of Linux; they used several similar stunts in the pastJul 21 17:00
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kingoffranceto answer your q MinceR , i like c89, before they started mandating bits lolJul 21 17:05
kingoffranceso, long long long >= long long   is good enough for me lolJul 21 17:06
psydruidso long long long, welcome a long long long longJul 21 17:07
MinceR:>Jul 21 17:07
techrights-news#Databases: Firebird 4.0 and PostgreSQL • 𝗧𝘂𝘅 𝗠𝗮𝗰𝗵𝗶𝗻𝗲𝘀 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/153649 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachinesJul 21 17:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Databases: Firebird 4.0 and PostgreSQL | Tux MachinesJul 21 17:08
techrights-news#microsoft 'loves' Linux like I love COVIDJul 21 17:09
kingoffranceshould be noted, leenode is a good example of the "contracts/business > gov"Jul 21 17:26
kingoffranceeven if it somewhat tongue-in-cheek or a joke etc.Jul 21 17:27
kingoffrance*if it isJul 21 17:27
kingoffrancecan a corporation be autonomous?  no, but doesnt stop them from tryingJul 21 17:27
MinceRthey can take over the governmentJul 21 17:29
kingoffrancetouche :)Jul 21 17:29
techrights-newsLinks 21/7/2021: Kaisen Linux Rolling 1.7, PipeWire 0.3.32, GUADEC 2021 Online Conference Starts • тє¢няιﻭнтѕ ⚓ http://techrights.org/2021/07/21/pipewire-0-3-32/ ䷉ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/07/21/pipewire-0-3-32/Jul 21 17:30
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Links 21/7/2021: Kaisen Linux Rolling 1.7, PipeWire 0.3.32, GUADEC 2021 Online Conference Starts | TechrightsJul 21 17:30
techrights-newsProprietary #Games and #ProprietarySoftware • 𝗧𝘂𝘅 𝗠𝗮𝗰𝗵𝗶𝗻𝗲𝘀 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/153650 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachinesJul 21 17:31
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Proprietary Games and Proprietary Software | Tux MachinesJul 21 17:31
techrights-news#Programming Leftovers • 𝗧𝘂𝘅 𝗠𝗮𝗰𝗵𝗶𝗻𝗲𝘀 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/153651 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachinesJul 21 17:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Programming Leftovers | Tux MachinesJul 21 17:32
kingoffrancenot sure exactly how that goes, just whatever legal entity is chartered by some govJul 21 17:32
techrights-news#Tor Releases and #Mozilla "Paid Products" • 𝗧𝘂𝘅 𝗠𝗮𝗰𝗵𝗶𝗻𝗲𝘀 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/153652 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachinesJul 21 17:32
kingoffranceso llc ltd whatever, still appliesJul 21 17:32
activelowthey cannot re-write constitutionJul 21 17:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Tor Releases and Mozilla "Paid Products" | Tux MachinesJul 21 17:32
kingoffrancethey try :)Jul 21 17:32
MinceR(cat) (audio:music) https://i.imgur.com/7sSUL9k.mp4Jul 21 17:32
techrights-news#FreeSoftware Leftovers • 𝗧𝘂𝘅 𝗠𝗮𝗰𝗵𝗶𝗻𝗲𝘀 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/153653 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachinesJul 21 17:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Free Software Leftovers | Tux MachinesJul 21 17:32
techrights-newsToday’s 🅣🅤🅧 🅜🅐🅒🅗🅘🅝🅔🅢 Leftovers • 𝗧𝘂𝘅 𝗠𝗮𝗰𝗵𝗶𝗻𝗲𝘀 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/153654 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachinesJul 21 17:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's leftovers | Tux MachinesJul 21 17:33
schestowitzpsydruid: there are commands under apt for checking what's chained to monoJul 21 17:40
activelowpsydruid: this should provide detailed information about the dependency graph https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/149805/how-to-find-the-packages-that-depend-on-a-certain-package-in-aptJul 21 17:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-unix.stackexchange.com | debian - How to find the packages that depend on a certain package in apt? - Unix & Linux Stack ExchangeJul 21 17:43
schestowitz-TRkingoffrance: re anonymous corporations, depends on country..Jul 21 17:44
schestowitz-TR.in uk we have companies houseJul 21 17:45
schestowitzhttps://find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.ukJul 21 17:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk | Companies House serviceJul 21 17:45
schestowitzso you can also find out a lot about what company YOU work forJul 21 17:45
schestowitznot just tyhersJul 21 17:45
schestowitzif they register abroad, it can be considered secretive and dodgyJul 21 17:46
kingoffranceyes, im not sure we'll ever know, since ppl asking where servers are didnt seem to get answersJul 21 17:47
kingoffrancenot picking on freenode either, just saying "seems to be an example of that school of thought" is allJul 21 17:48
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activelowanother debate i stumbled upon again recently was bitcoin: which was considered a utility to protect against autoritarian regimes. seems inplausible since it is exchanges required anyway to swap btc against fiat cash.Jul 21 17:51
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activelowand a btc transaction requires energy equivalent to driving 1000km with a car, i heardJul 21 17:53
kingoffrancewell, old ancient precursor hashcash that was the point. purposely make it use resources, to combat spamJul 21 17:54
kingoffrancenot sure tehre is any direct lineage there, just people saying all the resources used....seems to have come full circleJul 21 17:54
kingoffrancethat was the original intention :)Jul 21 17:55
activelowdon't know how anyone could argue BTC protected against autoritarian regimes with a straight face to begin withJul 21 17:55
kingoffrancei dont know, it means those who can afford power bill get richer, i never saw it as an "equalizing" muchJul 21 17:56
kingoffranceto be fair, im not sure it was ever marketed as suchJul 21 17:56
activelowthis argument was presented by "finance news" broadcasted in public german tv, funded by tax payersJul 21 17:56
schestowitz> of note: starting at about the hour mark, a discussion of bill gatesJul 21 17:59
schestowitz> malaria work wrt its legalityJul 21 17:59
schestowitz> tl;dr probably illegal, if arguably beneficial long termJul 21 17:59
schestowitz> https://www.noagendashow.net/listen/70Jul 21 17:59
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.noagendashow.net | 70: Short Changed - No AgendaJul 21 17:59
schestowitz> <https://www.noagendashow.net/listen/70>Jul 21 17:59
schestowitzhttp://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Gates_Foundation_Critique#2011Jul 21 18:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Gates Foundation Critique - TechrightsJul 21 18:01
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alexteehttps://www.reviewgeek.com/92661/microsofts-new-linux-distro-is-a-warning-shot-at-red-hat/Jul 21 18:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.reviewgeek.com | Microsoft’s New Linux Distro Is a Warning Shot at Red Hat – Review GeekJul 21 18:46
MinceRwhy, does it lack systemd?Jul 21 18:47
kingoffranceactivelow, was that program trying to convince people to use such things, or just trying to be informational?Jul 21 18:47
alexteeit does? would be very funnyJul 21 18:47
MinceRwell, otherwise it would be a "warning shot" delivered into their own headJul 21 18:47
alexteethat's probably clickbait by the article authorJul 21 18:48
alexteemicrosoft gives credit to GNU and FSF at the bottom of the READMEJul 21 18:48
alexteehttps://github.com/microsoft/CBL-MarinerJul 21 18:48
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-GitHub - microsoft/CBL-Mariner: Linux OS for Azure 1P services and edge appliancesJul 21 18:48
alexteethis is the first time I've seen them acknowledge that GNU/FSF existJul 21 18:48
kingoffrancei mean, if china blocks btc or whatever which they did in some fashion, then i can see maybe not gov, but ppl trying to push it as "freedom coin" Jul 21 18:49
kingoffrancewhich i think would be a giant fallacy, but will probably happenJul 21 18:49
MinceR"look out ibm, we can make our own customers beholden to you, and if you aren't careful enough, we'll even make them buy support from you!"Jul 21 18:50
activelowkingoffrance: all public broadcasting is bound by a type of charta in germany. such publicly funded TV must be neutral/balanced and inform the publicJul 21 18:50
activelowi question their motives with BTC, since by coincidence it is those who benefit most from BTC who are selling "mining" equipment listed at stock exchangeJul 21 18:51
kingoffranceit may or may not be "freedom coin" but would be giant mistake IMO to say "x is against it, therefore pro is good"Jul 21 18:51
kingoffrancewhatever it is, xyz is against it i think is not a proper gaugeJul 21 18:52
kingoffranceat least in generalJul 21 18:53
kingoffrancei can see marketing devolving into single-dimensionality quickly anywayJul 21 18:54
activelowit is somewhat ironic, one moment BTC is portrayed as utility to protect against autoritarian regimes, with a single transaction requiring excess amount of energy, and next moment public TV weather report spreads the lie global temperature increase was limited to 2.5°C, meanwhile according to my rough estimates climate change temperature anomalies surpass 10°C in germany alreadyJul 21 18:55
techrights-ipfs-bot ▕  IPFS downstream, 60 mins: ▆▇▇▃▅▆▅▂▂▆▅▆▇▅▅▆▅▆▅▅▅▃▅▆▅▆▆▃▆▇▅▅▃▄▅▁ avg(k/sec) 23.36 ▕  IPFS upstream: ▁▂▂▂▁▁▁▁▂▁▁▂▁▂▁▂▁▂▂▂▂▁▂▁▂▁▁▂▁▂▁▁▂▂▁▂▁▂▁ avg(k/sec) 8.80▕ swarm size (avg): 285.75  ⟲Jul 21 19:04
activelowadd to this the glorious "energy revolution" in germany had cost trillions of cash since year ~2000 already, to subsidise solar panels and wind turbines which contribute 0% of energy into the industrial energy grid, according to IfO MunichJul 21 19:09
activelowanother such common propaganda lie, renewable energy had any relevant market share at all in germany, while it is effectively close to below ~1% in totalJul 21 19:10
activelowtruth is Germany relies on coal power plants (80% iirc), since it cannot compensate for the nuclear power shut down otherwise, and the renewable scam cannot either of causeJul 21 19:15
activelowso, next brilliant idea and propaganda scam was to agitate for "electric vehicles" by those "eco activists" (many of whom are usa-minions, atlantik brücke)Jul 21 19:16
activelowelectric vehicles will increase the electrical energy demans even further, with even more coal burned - this is what those "green" "eco actvists" agitate for, to benefit coal power plants and tsla shareholdersJul 21 19:17
activelowin the realm of EU politics madhouse crazyness is unlimited, since there it is industry politics to sanction german manufacturing (germany didn't de-industrialize as much as other EU nations so even if an fake climate activism there didn't benefit climate it certainly will harm economy)Jul 21 19:22
activelowthe only relevant policy implemented was dismantling east-german industry (a minority of people which couldn't defend against mass dismissals ordered by western bureacucrtats after 1990)Jul 21 19:23
activelowanother propaganda lie was the "carbon tax", which is, such a tax exists in germany already, for 20years, with zero benefit except for those who distribute the cash (atlantik brücke minions mostly: Merkel, Röttgen, Merz Blackrock CEO, many "Alliance90/greens", it is a long list of those)Jul 21 19:28
activelowall of them being enthusiast EU supporters of cause, regularly traveling to washington to express their gratitude for the blessings of USAJul 21 19:30
activelowguess who opposes this most prominently? https://www.dw.com/en/nord-stream-2-germany-and-us-strike-deal/a-58575935Jul 21 19:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Nord Stream 2: Germany and US strike deal | News | DW | 21.07.2021Jul 21 19:33
activelowWRONG: "The United States worries that Russia could cut off energy supplies to Ukraine or other countries as a form of aggression", truth is it was Ukrainians who rerouted supplies before the conflict there escalated (with Burisma/London and Biden clan involved), not RussiansJul 21 19:39
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activelowthose who agitate for "paris agreement" climate agenda are mouthpieces of the western oil industry, since temperature anomalies surpassed 10°C already in germany and those 2.5°C published by public news are fraudulent to begin withJul 21 19:52
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AdmFubarhttps://www.accessnow.org/checking-up-on-big-tech-who-responded-to-the-2020-rdr-index/Jul 21 19:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.accessnow.org | The 2020 RDR Index: which Big Tech responded to our recommendations?Jul 21 19:56
AdmFubarhttps://www.accessnow.org/government-spyware-raging/Jul 21 19:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.accessnow.org | Unsafe and unchecked: government use of spyware raging around the world - Access NowJul 21 19:56
AdmFubarhttps://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/7/20/pegasus-project-india-modi-treason-spyware-snooping-scandalJul 21 19:57
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.aljazeera.com | India’s PM Modi accused of ‘treason’ over Pegasus spyware scandal | Technology News | Al JazeeraJul 21 19:57
activelow^ i suspect this is propaganda too, since most equipment is probably tapped already, without the need for further spyware for governmental agenciesJul 21 19:58
MinceRhttps://img.pr0gramm.com/2021/06/13/7458da3ec4507ec1.jpgJul 21 20:04
activelowthe CO2 temperature argument is pseudo-science, CO2 increased ~+30%, methane concentration increased ~+300%!!! (and no, this wasn't cows farting into the atmosphere as those "eco activist" usa propaganda-minions claim, it was methane blowouts in california, deep water horizon blowout and similar)Jul 21 20:12
AdmFubaruhm no those are from my personal blowouts! :">Jul 21 20:13
activelowwhichever newspaper i read in germany, full of lies: "If Laschet wants to become chancellor, he must take these concerns seriously and finally come clean about how he intends to reduce CO2 emissions in concrete terms". for what? carbon tax?Jul 21 20:15
MinceRiirc methane is also freed from permafrost due to global warmingJul 21 20:15
activelowmaybe, what is confirmed are the methane blowouts from "deep water horizon" and another record blowout in californiaJul 21 20:16
activelowoil industry prefers to distract from *dirty* energy production, instead consumption is taxed to redistribute cash (not climate protection)Jul 21 20:18
activelowin parallel to the climate pseudo science the propaganda campaign hooked onto arguments related to migration in germany, which is even more challengingJul 21 20:23
activelowsince this is what the carbon tax increase is required for: to compensate the related costs (among other social issues like mass unemployment)Jul 21 20:24
activelowand with this, again, almost everything which is published is lies and propaganda, beginning with the relevant demographic dataJul 21 20:26
activelowsome plausible arguments were: immigration is required to compensate low birth rate and secure pension funds, and immigration was required for the labor marketJul 21 20:27
activelowtruth is: population size in germany *increased*, 3 million, although it should have shrunk since 1990, population size increased (so much for climate protection)Jul 21 20:28
activelowand, although population size increased: pension funds are not secured, and lack of staff is reported although many million immigrants arrivedJul 21 20:29
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activelowand anyone questioning this wisdom is defamed as "right wing extremist", "climate denier", "conspiracy theorist", meanwhile public news channels and TV spread nothing but liesJul 21 20:32
MinceR(audio:important) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yArprk0q9eEJul 21 20:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-This Particle Breaks Time Symmetry - YouTubeJul 21 20:33
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activelowup until when a record flood hit villages, many of them established in river-beds and swamp regions, and CO2 required further taxation they say now, which is the argument presented ahead of the national parliament elections in germanyJul 21 20:44
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activelowMerkel government increased the cars on german roads by 5 million in absolute numbers iirc, 5 million more cars (not less) in 16 yearsJul 21 20:56
activelowmost of the climate propaganda nonsense originates in the "transatlantik" realm of politics, which is 99% west-german, their corporations, media channels, and politics, and Merkel portrayed as east-german, which she isn't and probably never wasJul 21 20:56
activelowwouldn't surprise me if this puppet "won" the next "democratic election" in germany: https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/news/transcripts/annalena-baerbock-on-a-transatlantic-green-deal-and-german-strategies-in-facing-russia-and-china/Jul 21 20:57
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.atlanticcouncil.org | Annalena Baerbock on a ‘transatlantic green deal’ and German strategies in facing Russia and China - Atlantic CouncilJul 21 20:57
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activelowa person whose german language skills wouldn't suffice for an undergraduate degreeJul 21 20:59
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techrights-ipfs-bot ▕  IPFS downstream, 60 mins: ▆▄▄▅▅▆▃▄▅▄▃▄▄▆▃▄▄▆▃▆▆▅▆▅▆▆▇▅▅▆▃▃▄▅▃▁ avg(k/sec) 22.33 ▕  IPFS upstream: ▂▁▂▁▁▂▁▂▁▁▁▂▂▁▁▁▂▁▂▂▁▂▃▂▂▂▁▁▁▁▁▁▂▁▁ avg(k/sec) 4.80▕ swarm size (avg): 285.79  ⟲Jul 21 21:04
MinceRhttps://64.media.tumblr.com/3d4fcd5dce4e937369a4a7c1b7773be7/66fd66eeb81d8c22-ee/s1280x1920/cd09598c206800b4a6ab5bd83d2416056a19dc12.pngJul 21 21:10
DaemonFCAmerican colleges don't generally care if you are intelligent in any meaning of the word.Jul 21 21:18
DaemonFCGot money? Get in there. Got student loans? They have classes!Jul 21 21:18
DaemonFCThey'll get it all out of you eventually so low interest rates....Jul 21 21:18
DaemonFCIt's almost impossible to the point of not worth trying to discharge student loans in bankruptcy. In fact, the major reason for people with student loans to file bankruptcy is to clear other debts that wouldn't have driven them under without the student loans, so they can direct more income towards the student loans.Jul 21 21:19
DaemonFCschestowitz, I've noticed that the general demeanor of people you run into in public has changed for the worse.Jul 21 21:23
DaemonFCThere was some sort of world happiness score that I saw the other day. It rated the US as 7.5 and South Africa as 5. I said, "Well, South Africa is under martial law.....".Jul 21 21:23
AdmFubarhttps://www.osnews.com/story/133727/revealed-leak-uncovers-global-abuse-of-cyber-surveillance-weapon/Jul 21 21:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Revealed: leak uncovers global abuse of cyber-surveillance weapon – OSnewsJul 21 21:27
AdmFubarhttps://eclecticlight.co/2021/07/18/last-week-on-my-mac-the-perils-of-m1-ownership/Jul 21 21:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-eclecticlight.co | Last Week on My Mac: The perils of M1 Ownership – The Eclectic Light CompanyJul 21 21:33
AdmFubarhttps://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/cisa-warns-of-stealthy-malware-found-on-hacked-pulse-secure-devices/Jul 21 21:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.bleepingcomputer.com | CISA warns of stealthy malware found on hacked Pulse Secure devicesJul 21 21:35
psyminsee the linux foundation survey about inclusion?Jul 21 21:42
AdmFubarWTF?  https://techcrunch.com/2021/07/20/venmo-removes-its-global-public-feed-in-a-significant-app-redesign/Jul 21 21:57
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Venmo removes its global, public feed as part of a major redesign – TechCrunchJul 21 21:57
AdmFubarhttps://www.techdirt.com/articles/20210719/09354047203/axios-parrots-lot-dumb-debunked-nonsense-about-net-neutrality.shtmlJul 21 22:00
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Axios Parrots A Lot Of Dumb, Debunked Nonsense About Net Neutrality | TechdirtJul 21 22:00
AdmFubarhttps://www.techdirt.com/articles/20210713/08322647160/2021-bullshit-broadband-cable-tv-fees-are-somehow-still-thing.shtmlJul 21 22:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-It's 2021 And Bullshit Broadband And Cable TV Fees Are Somehow Still A Thing | TechdirtJul 21 22:01
AdmFubarhttps://www.techdirt.com/articles/20210716/16180947186/seventh-circuit-says-reluctantly-that-18-months-pole-mounted-camera-surveillance-isnt-unconstitutional.shtmlJul 21 22:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Seventh Circuit Says (Reluctantly) That 18 Months Of Pole-Mounted Camera Surveillance Isn't Unconstitutional | TechdirtJul 21 22:05
DaemonFChttps://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/covid-booster-shots-are-probably-on-the-way/ar-AAMphrKJul 21 22:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.msn.com | Covid Booster Shots Are Probably on the WayJul 21 22:10
DaemonFCCOVID booster shots are probably going to happen.Jul 21 22:10
AdmFubarhttps://eclecticlight.co/2021/07/19/are-there-flaws-in-some-arm64-instructions/Jul 21 22:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-eclecticlight.co | Are there flaws in some ARM64 instructions? – The Eclectic Light CompanyJul 21 22:10
AdmFubarhttps://go.theregister.com/feed/www.theregister.com/2021/07/21/threes_asa_fastest_5g/Jul 21 22:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.com | Watchdog slaps down Three's claims to be building the UK's 'fastest 5G network' – again • The RegisterJul 21 22:11
AdmFubarhttps://go.theregister.com/feed/www.theregister.com/2021/07/21/gartner_op_tech_risk/Jul 21 22:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.com | Hijacked, rampaging infrastructure will kill humans by 2025 – Gartner • The RegisterJul 21 22:14
activelowapropos 5G, vodafone insisted my old cable modem had to be replaced, and the new one automatically enables WLAN with every rebootJul 21 22:14
schestowitzWhat is she on about? http://deblanc.net/blog/2021/07/21/updates-2/Jul 21 22:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-deblanc.net | Updates (2) | Life on MJul 21 22:14
schestowitzseems like ma mindless rambloeJul 21 22:14
AdmFubarhttps://go.theregister.com/feed/www.theregister.com/2021/07/21/steve_jobs_application_nft_auction/Jul 21 22:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.com | Former ad exec sticks Steve Jobs' 1973 job application in a scanner for physical-versus-digital NFT auction • The RegisterJul 21 22:15
schestowitzcultJul 21 22:15
activelowfurthermore this new router/modem requires twice as much electricity, 10watts instead of 5wJul 21 22:15
activelowand, it is dual-stack lite now, without any public ipv4 anymore, which vodafone said they would enable for this router, but they didn'tJul 21 22:16
schestowitz"I feel like I haven’t had a lot to say about open source or, in general, tech for a while. From another perspective, I have a whole lot of heady things to say about open source and technology and writing about it seems like a questionable use of time when I have so much other writing and reading and job hunting to do. I will briefly share the two ideas I am obsessed with at the moment, and then try to write more about them later."Jul 21 22:16
schestowitzShe says "open source"Jul 21 22:16
schestowitzenough pretending thenJul 21 22:16
DaemonFCComcast isn't bitching about my old Netgear gateway from 2013, and it still tests at the rated speed even over my VPN.Jul 21 22:17
AdmFubarprobably wrote while stonedJul 21 22:17
DaemonFCSo as long as they don't give it the boot, I can't see a reason to spend more.Jul 21 22:17
DaemonFCBy the time they do, a lot of these expensive 32x16 DOCSIS 3.1 gateways will be "Amazon recertified" for $70.Jul 21 22:18
DaemonFCWhereas they'd cost me $200+ now.Jul 21 22:18
activelowi am surprised the 10year old modem required only 50% of electricity, while the new one is manufactured with modern semiconductors, 10watts is very muchJul 21 22:19
activelowand i am rather angry vodafone can enable WLAN in my flat, without my consent, it is the operator who configurs the routerJul 21 22:20
activelowthis is the fourth time vodafone (UK) cheated beyond limitsJul 21 22:23
activelowsince when kabeldeutschland was "sold" to themJul 21 22:23
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activelowand, no more public ipv4, which isn't "internet", this is some private LAN with access outbound behind a proxy, which i am paying for 31Euros monthly for 32mbit/2mbitJul 21 22:25
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DaemonFCIf you rent a Comcrap modem, they open up a public wifi network on it for their other customers, and in return, you add $14 a month to your bill.Jul 21 22:43
activelowthe router LED for WLAN doesn't at least indicate it is activated, i can only see this in the config menu, and even if i deactivate WLAN with the next reboot it is enabled again. add to this remote provisioning by vodafone which they silently do/did.Jul 21 22:44
MinceR(cat) (no audio) https://i.imgur.com/7a9pNMB.mp4Jul 21 22:45
DaemonFCWingstop says that inflation on chicken wings has gotten so bad that the wholesale price is up over 500% vs. what they paid last year.Jul 21 22:47
DaemonFCThey switched to chicken thighs with wing sauce because those only cost about double what they paid for wings last year.Jul 21 22:47
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DaemonFCI always thought that wings were overrated. They used to be the cheapest part of the chicken until bars started serving them, and then the price went up from like 19 cents per pound just so the shop could get rid of them to like over $3.Jul 21 22:48
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DaemonFCMom quit buying chicken breasts because of inflation and started buying chicken thighs for everything that calls for chicken breasts.Jul 21 22:49
activelow19cents/500grams is very cheap, in comparison to supermarket prices in germany (~60cents/100grams)Jul 21 22:49
DaemonFCBefore the inflation she always said she hated dark meat and would demand that they put all white meat chicken in the buckets at KFC.Jul 21 22:50
DaemonFCThey didn't charge much more for that back then.Jul 21 22:50
DaemonFC<activelow> 19cents/500grams is very cheap, in comparison to supermarket prices in germany (~60cents/100grams)Jul 21 22:50
DaemonFCChicken is still the cheapest thing in the meat department. It'll take years for the beef industry to recover from the mess that COVID made.Jul 21 22:50
DaemonFCI have to wait until markdown day and when steak is 40% off now to pay what the normal price was last year.Jul 21 22:51
DaemonFCThen I hurry up and freeze it.Jul 21 22:51
DaemonFCOf course with the sticker shock, they sell less of it at full price and then they do mark down more of it than they used to.Jul 21 22:52
DaemonFCI noticed that for whatever reason, Walmart tends to order more halal chicken than they sell and so it's marked down constantly, so my freezer is full of it.Jul 21 22:53
activelowquality cattle beef is even more expensive, 1Euro/100grams or more. separator meat from pork is affordable still, and grinded burger pork meat. suspect many immigrants do not eat it.Jul 21 22:54
activelowthe argument to justify this in germany was "climate", same with electricty prices, nonetheless all those carbon taxation isn't enough. no surprise, since those taxes never were intended for "climate change".Jul 21 22:55
DaemonFCIt's running $12.97 per pound for USDA Choice sirloin, and that's at Walmart.Jul 21 22:55
activelownext price shock will be when "bio fuels" are agitated for, to burn corn and wheat as petrol.Jul 21 22:55
activelowwhich is on the agenda of those "eco activist" safe the planet climate agitatorsJul 21 22:55
DaemonFCIf you want grass fed, it'll run clear over $14, and if you go to Jewel-Osco add about 15% on top of either figure.Jul 21 22:55
DaemonFCI switched my Discover account to one with rotating 5% categories.Jul 21 22:56
DaemonFCI figure I have 6 months until it's grocery stores, and when it is I'll have my freezer emptied and I'll go to Aldi and load up on steak and chicken.Jul 21 22:57
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AdmFubarbuy beef cuts  of flank, hanger, flat iron, skirt steaks.. they are lower cost and tastier...:)Jul 21 22:58
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schestowitz-TRhttps://nitter.actionsack.com/Tedimayozarks/status/1417929846630535170#mJul 21 22:59
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schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/SpanishNorseman/status/1417470467603054629Jul 21 23:01
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activelowschestowitz: DDG does not block access through onions, DDG does not require any javascript either. google search is worse than DDG.Jul 21 23:06
DaemonFCschestowitz, I posted this elsewhere but it's sort of tech-related.Jul 21 23:11
DaemonFCAldi doesn't save you much money these days.Jul 21 23:11
DaemonFCBack in the day, they didn't accept credit cards because they didn't want to pay the network fees. As soon as they started taking them, the price of groceries went up to damned near what they cost at Walmart, sometimes more.Jul 21 23:11
DaemonFCSomeone is going to pay the 2-3% card network fees, and it's going to be everybody even if you don't use the cards.Jul 21 23:11
DaemonFCI used to go out of my way to shop at Aldi because they didn't make me pay more for food so someone with an AmEx could save for a trip to Disney with my grocery money.Jul 21 23:11
DaemonFCBut now, nope.Jul 21 23:11
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DaemonFCThe Federal Reserve has studied the issue, and found that they are an upwards wealth redistribution from the poor to the rich. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-fed-wealthtransfer-idUSTRE66P50S20100726Jul 21 23:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Credit card fees transfer wealth to rich, study finds | ReutersJul 21 23:15
DaemonFCOn top of this problem, the IRS also gives people who receive the rewards a pass for the income by not taxing it. They don't care how much you bring in, even if it's over the normal $600 that would trigger a form 1099.Jul 21 23:15
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schestowitzhttps://www.drupal.org/sa-core-2021-004Jul 21 23:17
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DaemonFCschestowitz, Did you see where TurboTax is no longer offering a free tax filing product for simple returns?Jul 21 23:17
schestowitz"I'm not sure this is applicable to our sites, but a client has tons of stuff added."Jul 21 23:17
schestowitz"Exploitation may be possible if contrib or custom code uses the library to extract tar archives (for example .tar, .tar.gz, .bz2, or .tlz) which come from a potentially untrusted source."Jul 21 23:18
DaemonFCThe IRS dropped a promise not to develop a direct filing program, but has not created one.Jul 21 23:18
schestowitzyes, I sawJul 21 23:18
schestowitzpropublica covered itJul 21 23:18
DaemonFCSo now the tax software people are dropping their free file and there soon won't be any way to do so without grabbing paper forms and mailing them in yourself, which the IRS says you shouldn't do.Jul 21 23:18
DaemonFCThey're so backlogged that people who filed more than a year ago still haven't seen their 2019 return come in.Jul 21 23:19
schestowitz-TRIRS is not doing its jobJul 21 23:19
schestowitz-TRit's only pretending toJul 21 23:19
DaemonFCthe IRS has completely broken down.Jul 21 23:19
DaemonFCThey're not auditing the people who are telling major whoppers on their 1040.Jul 21 23:20
schestowitz-TRit goes after poor and vulnerable peopleJul 21 23:20
DaemonFCYou call and nobody answers and it hangs up on you after 6 hours.Jul 21 23:20
schestowitz-TRjust to keep numbers up, ior intactJul 21 23:20
schestowitz-TRthe IRS is a symptom of your crumbling countryJul 21 23:20
schestowitz-TR*not that we are doing all that great eitherJul 21 23:20
DaemonFCYes, because to fight a tax audit you get an attorney and nobody will do that if the IRS says you owe us $50 because we corrected your return.Jul 21 23:21
DaemonFCBut it probably cost them $600 to figure that out.Jul 21 23:21
DaemonFCschestowitz-TR, I had to grab an attorney to fight off more false accusations by the police with the traffic incident they didn't witness.Jul 21 23:22
DaemonFCWhere the other guy is a child molester who jumped bail in Wisconsin and then was involved in a prison riot.Jul 21 23:22
DaemonFCThey don't want to be seen as not PC, so instead of just writing up the damned report and going away, they stick it to the white guy.Jul 21 23:22
DaemonFCI see it as a "Here's the bill for making us come out here and take the accident report.".Jul 21 23:24
DaemonFCIf they have to come out, someone gets a ticket, and with all of the BLM horseshit, it's not going to be the black guy even if he is a chomo.Jul 21 23:24
DaemonFCEven if he doesn't have a license.Jul 21 23:25
DaemonFCEven if he can't prove he has insurance.Jul 21 23:25
DaemonFCBlack PrivilegeJul 21 23:25
DaemonFCYou get to bounce around with no ID and no insurance as a felon convict and because it's Illinois they won't do anything with you.Jul 21 23:25
DaemonFCI don't blame him for leaving Wisconsin. They still have actual law enforcement. Not police that come out and act as another revenue agency and not a hell of a lot else.Jul 21 23:26
DaemonFCMinceR, I add some security to my garbage before I take it out.Jul 21 23:28
DaemonFCNot only do I shred up my voided checks and statements and things before tossing them, but then I pour in my own special blend of cat waste and old coffee grounds from the other trash can.Jul 21 23:28
DaemonFCThen I take it out to the dumpster.Jul 21 23:29
DaemonFCThe thinking goes that they're going to have to do some very unpleasant work if they dumpster dive to try to steal my identity.Jul 21 23:29
DaemonFCWe had electric scammers out here again the other day pretending to be ComEd employees.Jul 21 23:35
DaemonFCIt's getting bad. These two looked like a couple of hipsters complete with man buns.Jul 21 23:35
DaemonFCI told Mandy that there were people out here trying to scam me with an energy bill thing and he goes "Are they black?" I said, "No, they were white, and they dressed better than me. This is getting very convincing.".Jul 21 23:36
schestowitz-TR"man buns"?Jul 21 23:43
DaemonFCYeah, the hairstyle.Jul 21 23:48
DaemonFCI used to know a guy in Fort Wayne, Indiana named Joe, and then when I got to Chicago, I used to shop at Jewel Osco over by the Roosevelt Orange Line sometimes.Jul 21 23:48
DaemonFCOne of the cashiers looked like Joe with a man bun so I just called him Man Bun Joe with John.Jul 21 23:49
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