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cubexyzseems like a major changeDec 22 00:00
XRevan86cubexyz: Fedora is a distro that adopts new stuff supported by Red Hat first, that's its thing.Dec 22 00:00
MinceRit's red hat's even less stable distro, it's to be expected to be the first to try and stuff cancerd down users' throatsDec 22 00:00
cubexyzbut that doesn't answer why so many of the other distros also used systemdDec 22 00:01
DaemonFC[m]Canonical briefly considered just using SMF from Solaris for init.Dec 22 00:01
MinceRbecause they're made by people who don't know what they're doingDec 22 00:02
MinceR"ooh, shiny! let's throw it into "stable" immediately!"Dec 22 00:02
cubexyzbut not AIX or HP-UXDec 22 00:03
XRevan86cubexyz: systemd is a strictly Linux thing.Dec 22 00:03
cubexyzseems it's part of the linux world, yesDec 22 00:03
XRevan86cubexyz: Not "seems", it's systemd's design.Dec 22 00:04
MinceRI'd like to interject. What you call Linux is actually just a kernel. Without systemd, it can't do anything at all, so I have recently started calling it systemd-kerneld. Yes, there really is a Linux, but we must give credit to the other software that makes up a complete system.Dec 22 00:04
XRevan86tightly dependent on LinuxDec 22 00:04
MinceRLooking at the package count on a modern systemd-kerneld distribution, you'll find that systemd is nearly half of all packages. If you go by source lines of code, Linux, or kerneld, is only 9%. Dec 22 00:04
XRevan86cubexyz: The farthest from Linux systemd is going to get is Microsoft WSL %). But not technically.Dec 22 00:06
DaemonFC[m]MinceR: systemd is mainly a way to get as much stuff out of the kernel and to where Red Hat directly controls it as possible.Dec 22 00:06
cubexyzthere's something called UbuntuBSD :)Dec 22 00:06
DaemonFC[m]Then it doesn't matter if they control the kernel itself.Dec 22 00:06
cubexyza schism :)Dec 22 00:06
XRevan86cubexyz: Sounds absolutely doomed.Dec 22 00:06
DaemonFC[m]Well, most distributions seem to be building x265 wrong.Dec 22 00:07
XRevan86expired domain, figuredDec 22 00:07
DaemonFC[m]Only Clear Linux and FreeBSD and DragonFly BSD did well according to Phoronix.Dec 22 00:07
DaemonFC[m]Most Linux distributions could encode 49 fps on his test system and the BSDs and Clear Linux managed like 75.Dec 22 00:07
XRevan86cubexyz: Telling by their Twitter account, they started the project in 2016, a year where it was already obvious that's doomed. Not very smart folks.Dec 22 00:08
cubexyzXRevan86, I just like to see what's out thereDec 22 00:09
DaemonFC[m]That suggests if you're helping your neighbors by dumping Blu Rays, you should build your own x265 or use a system that built it correctly.Dec 22 00:09
MinceRwas building anything on ubuntu ever smart? :>Dec 22 00:09
DaemonFC[m]Blu Ray sources are h264 or (much less frequently) MPEG 2 or VC1, but always at such an insane bitrate that they survive being transcoded and crunched down to a manageable size with x265 pretty darned well.Dec 22 00:10
XRevan86cubexyz: Not a bad motive :). But this is misplaced attention.Dec 22 00:10
DaemonFC[m]Ultra HD Blu Ray makes a lot of existing televisions and stuff obsolete with its nastier DRM, but that's been broken too apparently.Dec 22 00:10
cubexyzI keep going back to slackware or vectorDec 22 00:11
XRevan86cubexyz: systemd is not going to run not on Linux, Ubuntu is systemd-only.Dec 22 00:11
XRevan86If Devuan is struggling for survival, imagine something based on Ubuntu.Dec 22 00:11
XRevan86ArchBSD is more believable as some people maintain multiple init systems in AUR. Which is still problematic, I'm not sure which ones still have a community, but at least that's something.Dec 22 00:13
XRevan86and it died in 2017Dec 22 00:14
oiaohmDaemonFC[m]: fun of being in Australia 22 00:15
XRevan86Arch Hurd is aliveDec 22 00:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | DVD and Blu Ray Players : Blu-Ray Player Multi Region HDMI Digital 7.1, with LAN for DLNADec 22 00:15
XRevan86which uses OpenRC, unsurprisinglyDec 22 00:16
oiaohmAt least a init system with some chance by design of working properly.Dec 22 00:18
MinceR 22 00:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Queen Noomi for National Cat Day - Album on ImgurDec 22 00:21
MinceRi.e. not systemdDec 22 00:21
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: #Android Leftovers #google #linux []Dec 22 00:41
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: RIP, Chuck Peddle []Dec 22 00:43
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: More #Android Leftovers []Dec 22 00:43
MinceR 22 01:34
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: today's howtos []Dec 22 01:37
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: KTimeTracker 5.0.1 released []Dec 22 01:50
schestowitzMinceR: so many 'words' in this languageDec 22 01:53
schestowitzis there more to this joke than meets the eye?Dec 22 01:53
MinceR¯\_(ツ)_/¯Dec 22 01:54
MinceRi trust you know which body part people usually refer to when using this emojiDec 22 01:54
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Pirate Chain Developers Unveil Privacy-Oriented OS for Crypto Usrs []Dec 22 01:55
MinceR 22 01:56
schestowitzlol 22 01:58
schestowitzwho writes such tripe?Dec 22 01:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Should you Buy an Apple Mac? Apple ecosystem tailored to user needsDec 22 01:58
schestowitzMinceR: yes, I know, but...Dec 22 01:58
schestowitzwhy scooby doo?Dec 22 01:58
MinceRprobably just to express the reactionDec 22 02:09
cubexyzthe computer of choice for posers :)Dec 22 02:12
DaemonFC[m]The Mac is a just an expensive trap that snares yoi and forces you to buy other junk or else it won't agree to interface with it.Dec 22 02:13
DaemonFC[m]Like everything else Apple makes.Dec 22 02:13
cubexyzprobably no one remembers now, but in 1977 the Apple II was $1,298Dec 22 02:14
cubexyznow convert that to 2019 dollars...Dec 22 02:14
DaemonFC[m]Yeah, and for the first 4 years of that consider the US was in hyperinflation.Dec 22 02:14
cubexyz$1,298 in 1977 converts to $5,509.17 for 2019Dec 22 02:15
DaemonFC[m]So the money lost half it's value already by 1982. Communuty riffed on that where they find a guy that's been in a bunker since the 1970s and he says he has 3 million dollars but it probably wasn't worth anything because of Nixon.Dec 22 02:16
danielp3344looks like apple IIs are going for around 2-3k on ebayDec 22 02:17
danielp3344so they've held value pretty wellDec 22 02:17
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Hardware Retro and Legacy []Dec 22 02:18
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Fedora 31 Release Party Novi Sad -- Event Report []Dec 22 02:21
schestowitzdanielp3344: what about inflationDec 22 02:21
schestowitztheir price back then plus inflation on the cost?Dec 22 02:21
DaemonFC[m]The US dollar has lost over half its value since I was born in 1984.Dec 22 02:22
cubexyzold computers don't really keep their valueDec 22 02:22
DaemonFC[m]And considering what inflationnwas running from 1977 until Paul Volcker caused a recession in 1981 to stop it....Dec 22 02:22
cubexyzpeople are always dumping them... then later on they buy them back due to nostalgia Dec 22 02:23
DaemonFC[m]Plus the three years in between.Dec 22 02:23
schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: he didn't keep his valueDec 22 02:23
schestowitzhe diedDec 22 02:23
danielp3344lolDec 22 02:23
DaemonFC[m]> $1,298 in 1977 converts to $5,509.17 for 2019Dec 22 02:24
DaemonFC[m]That's only if you accept the government's own math.Dec 22 02:24
DaemonFC[m]The reality is much worse.Dec 22 02:24
schestowitzno banks in heaven/hell/coffin/blanketDec 22 02:24
DaemonFC[m]In 1996, $22,000 bought a Ford Crown Victoria LX.Dec 22 02:24
schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: yeah, annnnd...Dec 22 02:24
schestowitzthere' s a gambleDec 22 02:24
DaemonFC[m]In 2018 it barely bought a Kia Soul.Dec 22 02:25
schestowitz1) will people cherish the brand decades later?Dec 22 02:25
schestowitz2) will it still  work after you drag it from one house to anoherDec 22 02:25
schestowitz3) will you still be alive and can it sell?Dec 22 02:25
DaemonFC[m]Since 2003, the price of a new Chevy Impala has doubled.Dec 22 02:25
schestowitzcars are overpricedDec 22 02:25
danielp3344^Dec 22 02:25
schestowitznot sure how much patents play into itDec 22 02:25
danielp3344but not if you buy junk ones to play withDec 22 02:26
schestowitzyou work like... years of savingsDec 22 02:26
schestowitz(or installments)Dec 22 02:26
DaemonFC[m]The reliability is much worse.Dec 22 02:26
schestowitzfor a piece of tinDec 22 02:26
danielp3344schestowitz: I blame electronicsDec 22 02:26
schestowitz3mm thinDec 22 02:26
cubexyzcars might get devalued even faster than computersDec 22 02:26
DaemonFC[m]None of the cars they sell today will run in 20 years.Dec 22 02:26
danielp3344^Dec 22 02:26
schestowitz4 tires, some 'chairs' and a radioDec 22 02:26
schestowitz"wow... look at me.. ma lifeeestyle"Dec 22 02:26
cubexyzI have lots of computers >20 years oldDec 22 02:26
cubexyzthey all still workDec 22 02:26
danielp3344I was once reading a book about neural networksDec 22 02:27
DaemonFC[m]Yeah, but they put computer chips everywhere in a modern car.Dec 22 02:27
schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: yes, the other thing is how long they lastDec 22 02:27
DaemonFC[m]There isn't just one. There's dozens.Dec 22 02:27
danielp3344And found two 5-1/4 floppies tucked in the backDec 22 02:27
schestowitzand their value diminished so fact compared to a housDec 22 02:27
danielp3344I never figured out what was on themDec 22 02:27
cubexyzdo you have any working 5.25" floppy drives? :)Dec 22 02:27
schestowitzfor today's cheaply made shit they call "car" you shave off like 30% in the first year ALONEDec 22 02:28
DaemonFC[m]Modern cars have so many expensive failure points that you would never put any money into one that's more than 10 yeara old unless you're insane.Dec 22 02:28
schestowitzthey give warranty for about 3 years old... says what they think of their build qualityDec 22 02:28
schestowitzmany houses are built  equally poorly today... cheap materialsDec 22 02:28
DaemonFC[m]BMW charges $6500 to extend the 3 year warehouse to 5 years.Dec 22 02:28
DaemonFC[m]WarrantyDec 22 02:28
DaemonFC[m]Autocorrect fail.Dec 22 02:28
schestowitzyou can buy another carDec 22 02:28
schestowitza cheaper oneDec 22 02:29
cubexyzit wouldn't be too hard to get a 5.25" drive thoughDec 22 02:29
schestowitzfor the same priceDec 22 02:29
schestowitzbackup companion carDec 22 02:29
DaemonFC[m]$6500 for two more years is sort of excessive, isn't it?Dec 22 02:29
DaemonFC[m]After all, that German quality should be reliable. 😂Dec 22 02:29
schestowitz[02:27] <DaemonFC[m]> Yeah, but they put computer chips everywhere in a modern car.Dec 22 02:29
schestowitzhow long will spares last?Dec 22 02:29
schestowitztoday's cars are hard/expensive to repairDec 22 02:29
schestowitzit's only getting worseDec 22 02:30
schestowitzlike so-called 'smart locks'Dec 22 02:30
schestowitzand our 'electric shower'Dec 22 02:30
schestowitzAny issue? BUY A NEW ONE!!Dec 22 02:30
schestowitzEven the new railDec 22 02:30
schestowitzand showerhead... it's s setDec 22 02:30
schestowitzthey won't fix these, no parts manufactured eitherDec 22 02:30
cubexyzschestowitz, it's a bit like that for laptops now, maybe not quite as badDec 22 02:30
schestowitzand thats for  like... 2 - 3 years laterDec 22 02:30
schestowitzthey have "NEW MODELS!"Dec 22 02:31
schestowitzcubexyz: depends on the OEMDec 22 02:31
schestowitzyou can get more modular onesDec 22 02:31
schestowitznot that bendable, foldable, "thin" (Air) stuffDec 22 02:31
schestowitzfashion in computing and 'novelty' in cars may mean shorter livesDec 22 02:31
schestowitzthey like it that way.... more salesDec 22 02:32
schestowitzfor showers the fix might be replacement valveDec 22 02:32
schestowitzor something trivial like thisDec 22 02:32
schestowitzbut no, they won't keep spares... not in their financial interestsDec 22 02:33
schestowitzand the "smarter" these things get (locks, phones), the harder they are to repairDec 22 02:33
schestowitzon your own or with helpDec 22 02:33
schestowitzmechanical stuff you can figure out or find something who can figure out for  a feeDec 22 02:33
schestowitz 22 02:37
schestowitz"The Unified Patent Court (UPC), Brexit and artificial intelligence (AI) all feature in our list more than once, either directly or indirectly, mirroring some of the biggest talking points of the last few years."Dec 22 02:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Managing IP’s most-read stories of the decade | Managing Intellectual PropertyDec 22 02:37
schestowitz"A senior judge saying ‘bullshit’, a mental health and wellbeing focus, and tributes to inspirational figures who passed away are among Managing IP’s most-viewed articles in the last 10 years"Dec 22 02:37
DaemonFC[m]If your windows don't work you may not want to do anything about it.Dec 22 02:38
DaemonFC[m]The regulators and switches and motors are awfully expensive.Dec 22 02:39
cubexyzbuy a car with old style crank windows?Dec 22 02:39
cubexyzsurely it's still possibleDec 22 02:39
MinceR 22 02:40
MinceRor just buy a car with reliable electric windowsDec 22 02:40
MinceRmy toyota carina never had any trouble with thatDec 22 02:41
MinceRworking the hand cranks is a painDec 22 02:41
schestowitzat least they EXISTDec 22 02:41
schestowitzthe one cars lack theseDec 22 02:41
cubexyzjust thinking they would be easier to repair for the do-it-yourselfersDec 22 02:42
schestowitznow we have online shops for spares, videos to show you how to assemble...Dec 22 02:43
schestowitzlike... keyboards on laptopsDec 22 02:43
MinceRand if you quickly want to replace the air in the car, you'll have to stop, go around and crank each of them twiceDec 22 02:43
MinceRinstead of just pressing 4 buttons twice :>Dec 22 02:43
cubexyzkeyboard replacement on laptops shouldn't be too hardDec 22 02:43
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danielp3344cubexyz: I love manual windowsDec 22 02:58
danielp3344they almost never breakDec 22 02:58
danielp3344All my cars with power windows have taken like 5 minutes to roll up or downDec 22 02:58
danielp3344because the motors and stuff wear outDec 22 02:58
MinceRthey never wore out on mineDec 22 03:00
danielp3344how old was it?Dec 22 03:00
danielp3344I'm talking 20-30 years old and beat to hell cars TBHDec 22 03:01
MinceR22 years when i sold itDec 22 03:01
danielp3344that's about average I guessDec 22 03:01
danielp3344most of them seem to start getting really bad around 25 yearsDec 22 03:01
danielp3344my brothers 2001 mercury has terrible ones thoughDec 22 03:02
danielp3344the passenger side you have to pull on to get it back upDec 22 03:02
danielp3344argh so many cloudflare sitesDec 22 03:03
schestowitzaws and clownflare as the 'new webhost'Dec 22 03:04
MinceR:(Dec 22 03:04
schestowitzand for those without domains... FACEBOOKDec 22 03:04
schestowitzyay, "the WEB"Dec 22 03:04
danielp3344lolDec 22 03:05
danielp3344The worst part is the people who get hurt the most are the least technically adeptDec 22 03:06
danielp3344most of the cloudflare sites I find are car forums where it's hard to convince people to fix site stuffDec 22 03:06
danielp3344but there's so much good information tereDec 22 03:07
danielp3344there*Dec 22 03:07
MinceR 22 03:14
oiaohmTrying to get a new car with manual windows these days is insanely hardDec 22 04:04
DaemonFC[m]Well, the Yoga 900 at least was easy to replace the battery on.Dec 22 04:16
DaemonFC[m]Apple basically glues the batteries in, solders RAM so you can't upgrade it. Stuff like that.Dec 22 04:17
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DaemonFC[m]There's no real need to upgrade the RAM. It had 16 GB when I bought it and that's still a bottomless pit on Linux.Dec 22 05:03
DaemonFC[m]Macs are always like 4 GB of RAM or something ridiculous.Dec 22 05:04
DaemonFC[m]And then people say the Mac is so efficient it doesn't need more than that.Dec 22 05:06
DaemonFC[m]Like, pretty sure Chrome is a big pig on a Mac just like it is everywhere else.Dec 22 05:06
DaemonFC[m]Me when I see 4 GB of RAM and a slow processor....Dec 22 05:07
DaemonFC[m]Not sure if $4,000 Mac or $199 Chromebook.Dec 22 05:07
DaemonFC[m]Google pretty much does throw every trick in the book at Chrome OS to save RAM. It keeps device cost down.Dec 22 05:11
DaemonFC[m]> aws and clownflare as the 'new webhost'Dec 22 05:39
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz OpenBSD went as far as to patch out DNS over HTTPS from Firefox.Dec 22 05:39
DaemonFC[m]The reasoning was it sends your DNS lookups to Cloudflare.Dec 22 05:39
DaemonFC[m]The majority of DoH FUD seems to be coming from governments who want to censor though.Dec 22 05:44
*DaemonFC[m] uploaded an image: Tusky_Share_Media_20191221_235506.png (33KB) < >Dec 22 05:55
DaemonFC[m]This was definitely the plot of Doom....Dec 22 05:55
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-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Intel Graphics and Benchmarks []Dec 22 06:42
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Elementary OS | Review From an openSUSE User []Dec 22 06:47
DaemonFC[m]Someone commented that Brave removing ads and then inserting their own is a dick move.Dec 22 07:22
DaemonFC[m]Of course. Brendan Eich is an asshole.Dec 22 07:22
schestowitz> It appears that groups of {explitive_deleted} simply wander around theDec 22 07:24
schestowitz> net looking for people to attack.  Now they've turned against JK RowlingDec 22 07:24
schestowitz> again, for stating facts, despite her having retrofitted one of theDec 22 07:24
schestowitz> {explitive_deleted}'s own into a key role in her book series:Dec 22 07:24
schestowitz> Dec 22 07:24
schestowitz> 22 07:24
schestowitz> Dec 22 07:25
schestowitz> Twitter and MSM facilitate these wandering lynch mobs.  Twitter isDec 22 07:25
schestowitz> partially Saudi-owned so somehow these attacks must match with theirDec 22 07:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | TwitterDec 22 07:25
schestowitz> agenda, either directly or indirectly.Dec 22 07:25
schestowitz> Dec 22 07:25
schestowitz> Just wait till those attack groups get a whiff of evolution andDec 22 07:25
schestowitz> selective fitness as applied to larger and larger groups: cultures.Dec 22 07:25
schestowitzThanks for showing this to me. Yes, I am aware. Yesterday there was one bit in an article about Macron choosing someone for "gender balance"; that's considered a dangerous thing to say nowadays.Dec 22 07:25
schestowitzNews is starting to dry up; media will manufacture scandals or support any (to get hits, sell ads).Dec 22 07:25
schestowitz> It appears that groups of {explitive_deleted} simply wander around theDec 22 07:25
schestowitz> net looking for people to attack.  Now they've turned against JK RowlingDec 22 07:25
schestowitz> again, for stating facts, despite her having retrofitted one of theDec 22 07:25
schestowitz> {explitive_deleted}'s own into a key role in her book series:Dec 22 07:25
schestowitz> Dec 22 07:25
schestowitz> 22 07:25
schestowitz> Dec 22 07:25
schestowitz> Twitter and MSM facilitate these wandering lynch mobs.  Twitter isDec 22 07:25
schestowitz> partially Saudi-owned so somehow these attacks must match with theirDec 22 07:25
schestowitz> agenda, either directly or indirectly.Dec 22 07:25
schestowitz> Dec 22 07:25
schestowitz> Just wait till those attack groups get a whiff of evolution andDec 22 07:25
schestowitz> selective fitness as applied to larger and larger groups: cultures.Dec 22 07:25
schestowitzThanks for showing this to me. Yes, I am aware. Yesterday there was one bit in an article about Macron choosing someone for "gender balance"; that's considered a dangerous thing to say nowadays.Dec 22 07:25
schestowitzNews is starting to dry up; media will manufacture scandals or support any (to get hits, sell ads).Dec 22 07:25
schestowitzoops, double pasted. My bad...Dec 22 07:25
DaemonFC[m]Who is going after JK Rowling?Dec 22 07:41
DaemonFC[m]She's tge one who sued Canadians and got a court to order them not to read a book that a store sold them too early by mistake.Dec 22 07:42
DaemonFC[m]Fuck her.Dec 22 07:42
DaemonFC[m]It's the store's fault that the book got out before it was supposed to be sold. Sue them. Getting a court to order people not to read is fucking stupid. How are you going to enforce that?  You're just showing what a cunt you are if you do that.Dec 22 07:43
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DaemonFC[m]Then in the UK, her publisher sued Asda for saying that they thought one of her books was overpriced.Dec 22 07:45
DaemonFC[m]Seriously? Can you win a lawsuit against someone for saying they think your product is overpriced in the UK?Dec 22 07:46
DaemonFC[m]Nobody should buy her books. Just BitTorrent them if you want to read them, or borrow a copy from the library before she sues to have libraries made illegal.Dec 22 07:50
DaemonFC[m]I don't like to spend money on copyrighted stuff because I don't agree with copyright as it stands.Dec 22 07:51
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DaemonFC[m]Disney waa nasty a long time before internet file sharing.Dec 22 07:56
DaemonFC[m]They had this "Disney vault" idea that they would stoo selling a movie for years at a time so that when they "opened the vault" again, people would panic and buy it before they weren't allowed to anymore.Dec 22 07:57
DaemonFC[m]Well, lots of people got together and ran off copies in their VCRs and traded them with other parents instead, ao the vault idea probably hurt sales, but Disney would never admit it.Dec 22 07:58
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: This week in KDE: it’s gonna be amaaaaaaaaaaazing []Dec 22 09:17
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-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: France to launch the Digital Labour Code open source platform []Dec 22 10:01
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linuxgirlHi guys :-)Dec 22 11:03
linuxgirlso arch shifts to zstd on the 27th, I just found out ... and the link about zstd goes to facebook.github linkDec 22 11:04
schestowitzhiDec 22 11:04
linuxgirlhi :-)Dec 22 11:04
schestowitz less than a minute ago  I posted 22 11:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/ #deletegithub #microsoft #github #proprietarysoftwareDec 22 11:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- Photo by 22 11:05
schestowitzwell,, yesterday I spoke to mr curl about githubDec 22 11:05
schestowitzmaybe I made my point clear enoughDec 22 11:05
linuxgirlyes?Dec 22 11:05
schestowitzthat for curl to leave github would be beneficialDec 22 11:05
linuxgirlgithub needs throwing off a cliffDec 22 11:05
schestowitzhe listenedDec 22 11:05
linuxgirleverything leaving github would be so greatDec 22 11:05
linuxgirlgood he listenedDec 22 11:05
schestowitzcurl is used on like 3 billion machinesDec 22 11:05
linuxgirlreally important it shuts shop and goes somewhere other than githubDec 22 11:06
schestowitzI can't do this on my ownDec 22 11:06
linuxgirlI'm stunned arch would go along with a facebook github thingDec 22 11:06
schestowitzso we create a sort of movementDec 22 11:06
linuxgirlYesDec 22 11:06
schestowitzmore people need to confront devs over itDec 22 11:06
schestowitzto create a perceptual dynamicDec 22 11:06
schestowitzunder "headlings" like "delete github"Dec 22 11:06
linuxgirlwhat could be useful is a set of links directly to devs, so ppl can come here and click thru and say their piece?Dec 22 11:06
schestowitzso by all means go around, spread the argyment for leaving githubDec 22 11:07
schestowitzexplain to media that FOSS != githubDec 22 11:07
linuxgirlyou're rightDec 22 11:07
schestowitzand things that are not on GitHub DO existDec 22 11:07
linuxgirlyes, lots of places went over to gitlab and a fair amount of links go thereDec 22 11:07
schestowitzsee comment 22 11:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Microsoft’s Abduction of the Voice of Its Opposition Highlights the Urgency of the Movement/Campaign to Delete GitHub | TechrightsDec 22 11:07
schestowitzwe still keep that wiki list up to dateDec 22 11:07
schestowitzit's like a todo listDec 22 11:07
schestowitzsome people go and speak to the devsDec 22 11:08
schestowitz 22 11:08
linuxgirlbut then facebook.github arises, and I understand zstd is the main thing across the system, so facebook and github will be able to read everything?!Dec 22 11:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Delete Github - TechrightsDec 22 11:08
linuxgirlgreat, thanksDec 22 11:08
schestowitzhelp us outDec 22 11:08
schestowitzit countsDec 22 11:08
schestowitzit makes devs thinkDec 22 11:08
linuxgirlyes :-)Dec 22 11:08
schestowitzif nobody says anything, nothing will changeDec 22 11:08
schestowitzNOT-A-FRIEND, MAN (Friedman) blocked meDec 22 11:09
linuxgirlI've had a few barnies in my time, lol, about privacyDec 22 11:09
schestowitzin twitter, where I never spoke to himDec 22 11:09
linuxgirlif people are going to be like that, stuff 'emDec 22 11:09
schestowitzuse the wiki listDec 22 11:09
schestowitzspeak to the devsDec 22 11:09
linuxgirlokayDec 22 11:09
schestowitzexplain why github is badDec 22 11:09
schestowitzalso you can use this argument, of ethics/racism: 22 11:09
linuxgirlsorry, which link is the wiki?Dec 22 11:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | People From Half a Dozen Countries May be Banned From Participating in the Linux Foundation Because It’s Outsourcing Many Projects to Microsoft/GitHub | TechrightsDec 22 11:09
schestowitzthis really gets to people ^Dec 22 11:10
linuxgirlthe only solution is people voting with their feet, and loudlyDec 22 11:10
schestowitzreminds them they're not in control in who gets the s/w and gives back to uitDec 22 11:10
schestowitz*itDec 22 11:10
schestowitzTrump decidesDec 22 11:10
schestowitzand Microsoft implementsDec 22 11:10
schestowitzI heard github saw a decreaseDec 22 11:10
schestowitznot sure if deletions of number of people/projects joiningDec 22 11:10
linuxgirlit definitely did when ms bought itDec 22 11:10
schestowitzbut I heard they spotted a decrease and panicked a bitDec 22 11:11
schestowitzICE caused some brain drain alsoDec 22 11:11
schestowitzlet's keep that goin gDec 22 11:11
linuxgirlI've seen very few actually go to it, and they get shocked comments at themDec 22 11:11
schestowitzMS manufactured fake newsDec 22 11:11
schestowitz"arctic vault"Dec 22 11:11
schestowitzto distract the media from the ICE exodusDec 22 11:11
linuxgirlthey can't con people who are awake, thankfully, and here's hoping they bury themselves in their vault! that would do everyone a lot of goodDec 22 11:11
schestowitzI deleted my account at GH before the announcementDec 22 11:11
linuxgirlwell done!Dec 22 11:11
schestowitzhours before it, when it was still a rumour aloneDec 22 11:12
linuxgirlgood!Dec 22 11:12
schestowitz 22 11:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/ » Blog Archive » How to Delete Your GitHub Account to Tell GitHub What You Think About Their Decision to Sell OutDec 22 11:12
linuxgirlgood link!Dec 22 11:12
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linuxgirlwhat's your view of zstd?Dec 22 11:13
schestowitzfbDec 22 11:13
schestowitzyou know my views on fbDec 22 11:13
linuxgirlI was worried as soon as I heard about it, and now it's all across the pc on the 27thDec 22 11:14
schestowitzgh isn't the worst aspect of itDec 22 11:14
schestowitzintel puts its compression crap on gh alsoDec 22 11:14
linuxgirlyes, and I'm stunned any distro would choose something facebook-linked, especially archDec 22 11:14
linuxgirlI'd admired them for not being supportive of snaps, but seems it's gone a bit pooDec 22 11:16
linuxgirllolDec 22 11:16
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schestowitzI mentioned one todayDec 22 11:16
schestowitzhang onDec 22 11:16
linuxgirlokayDec 22 11:16
schestowitz[09:32] <schestowitz> 22 11:16
schestowitz[09:32] <schestowitz> "@schestowitz Hosted in github, this is a non-starter."Dec 22 11:16
schestowitzsee contextDec 22 11:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | PleromaDec 22 11:16
schestowitzbased on opensuseDec 22 11:16
linuxgirlthat's the other site I couldn't remember then name of!Dec 22 11:17
linuxgirlif it's a gitlab alternativeDec 22 11:17
schestowitzat least people dare say things like these, namely: "Hosted in github, this is a non-starter."Dec 22 11:17
schestowitzWe need a thousand of geeks to say thatDec 22 11:17
linuxgirlyes, well saidDec 22 11:17
schestowitzmany a milionDec 22 11:17
schestowitzthen things will changeDec 22 11:17
schestowitzso please helpDec 22 11:17
schestowitzFOSS is at riskDec 22 11:17
linuxgirlyes, if everyone who cares anything about privacy and linux's future said that straight out, things would be very differentDec 22 11:17
schestowitzthey use GH for business intelligenceDec 22 11:17
schestowitzthey use the "big data" BSDec 22 11:17
schestowitzThey look for who talks to who, how to control and undermine usDec 22 11:18
schestowitzthey have departments for this kind of thingDec 22 11:18
schestowitz[20:34] <schestowitz> 22 11:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@emilengler: @bagder @schestowitz They have full write access. As long as you don’t sign all your git commits MS could easily fa… 22 11:18
schestowitzvDec 22 11:18
schestowitz[20:34] <schestowitz> "They have full write access. As long as you don’t sign all your git commits MS could easily fake your commits. Bitcoin Core for example uses a strong crypto system to secure the commits. Everything would fail there if MS would try to edit the git repo."Dec 22 11:18
schestowitz[20:35] <schestowitz> I know what you mean, but the danger persists. See intro in 22 11:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Delete Github - TechrightsDec 22 11:18
schestowitz 22 11:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@emilengler: @schestowitz @bagder Let's say all people who should have write access sign all commits and merge commits. Then you… 22 11:18
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schestowitzsee the reactions from Mr. Curl, a SwedeDec 22 11:18
schestowitzhe's at least consideringDec 22 11:19
schestowitzCurl is MMMMAAASIVEDec 22 11:19
linuxgirlthat's some good news then, about Mr CurlDec 22 11:19
schestowitzmaybe distributes millions of copies PER DAY.Dec 22 11:19
linuxgirlif more like him get on board, there's hopeDec 22 11:19
schestowitzthat's a lot of traffic (i.e. spying) by MicrosoftDec 22 11:19
linuxgirlyesDec 22 11:19
schestowitzGH loses moneyDec 22 11:19
schestowitzbut the business model isn't thatDec 22 11:19
schestowitzit's about controlDec 22 11:19
schestowitzalways was, even FSF had warned about itDec 22 11:20
linuxgirlI'd hope the many who left for gitlab would 'wing' ms enough to stop anything worseDec 22 11:20
linuxgirlabsolutely needs ppl to leave GH entirelyDec 22 11:20
schestowitzyes, butDec 22 11:20
schestowitzCREATE THE INERTIA :-)Dec 22 11:20
schestowitzlet's do thisDec 22 11:20
oiaohmgitlab does not give access to the same CI testing platforms as github.Dec 22 11:20
schestowitzI can't do this aloneDec 22 11:20
linuxgirlyes :-)Dec 22 11:20
schestowitzI try, I use #deletegithub about 10 times per dayDec 22 11:20
linuxgirlwell done!Dec 22 11:20
schestowitzbut a thousand of us can floods social control media convos with the social call, the call for actionDec 22 11:21
schestowitzto the point where quitting is an act of collective solidarityDec 22 11:21
linuxgirlthe irony is I'm not on any social media, to avoid data/privacy issues, just a mastodon account I don't really use, but this needs social media! I can tweet it there lotsDec 22 11:21
schestowitzzoobab used to help with itDec 22 11:21
schestowitzhe slowed down a bitDec 22 11:21
oiaohmThe possiblity of the hosting messing with your git repo is possible no matter how you use.Dec 22 11:21
linuxgirlno reddit, twitter, google etcDec 22 11:21
schestowitzoiaohm: stop with your MS apologismDec 22 11:21
oiaohmSo signing should be a general recommendation.Dec 22 11:21
schestowitznot the placeDec 22 11:21
linuxgirloh my gawd, not the ms stuff againDec 22 11:22
linuxgirlthis is a linux IRC!Dec 22 11:22
linuxgirlnot pro-msDec 22 11:22
schestowitzCI... give me a break... not many even use thatDec 22 11:22
schestowitzMaybe you can go on about Visual Studio 'Code' (openwash) integrationDec 22 11:22
schestowitzAnd  AZUNE [sic]Dec 22 11:22
linuxgirllolDec 22 11:22
linuxgirlsuch a critical time to cut off ms tentacles, and LF/anything not supportive of LinuxDec 22 11:23
schestowitz 22 11:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | At Microsoft, Linux/FOSS is Like Zune | TechrightsDec 22 11:23
schestowitzLF is friedDec 22 11:23
linuxgirlyesDec 22 11:23
schestowitzit's an openwashing operation Dec 22 11:23
oiaohmschestowitz:  welcome to great fun as wellDec 22 11:23
schestowitzThey're to us what OSI wasDec 22 11:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Update on our planned move from Azure to Google Cloud Platform | GitLabDec 22 11:23
schestowitzirrelevant, a bypass used by corporate powerDec 22 11:23
linuxgirlI'm thinking it's surely getting so obvious that many more are awake to the dubious stuff they're doing, and won't support/donateDec 22 11:23
oiaohmNotice the top list there of countries that cannot access gitlab because they are using google storage.Dec 22 11:23
schestowitzTorvalds doesn't care about freedom anyway, so I don't think I can ever convince him to do anythingDec 22 11:24
oiaohmschestowitz: this is not MS apologismDec 22 11:24
schestowitzhe's aging fast nowDec 22 11:24
oiaohmThere is a set of pracital problems.Dec 22 11:24
schestowitzcollege in Portland is priceyDec 22 11:24
linuxgirlyes, not impressed with Mr Torvalds over the last yearDec 22 11:24
schestowitzmaybe the girls can do Ivy League, that's like a million bucks eachDec 22 11:24
oiaohmYou might be using gitlab and github in combination so all your users can access it. + some others.Dec 22 11:24
linuxgirland GregKH signing two MS ppl into the kernel ... well, that's me so done with him Dec 22 11:24
schestowitz[11:24] <oiaohm> There is a set of pracital problems.Dec 22 11:24
schestowitzYou could stay with UNIX in 1989 for the same reasonsDec 22 11:25
schestowitzlinuxgirl: he was trouble ages agoDec 22 11:25
schestowitzhe commented in techrights some times...Dec 22 11:25
linuxgirlusers still accessing github are taking part in dismantling linux privacy/choice etc, so that'll be a short-lived thing if propping up ms is seen as the option ... never support what's anti-LinuxDec 22 11:25
schestowitzGreg was always a "pragmatist"Dec 22 11:26
linuxgirlyes, wasn't keen on GregKH on sight, lolDec 22 11:26
schestowitzLF Swappie talked to him to reinforce this months agoDec 22 11:26
schestowitzWe're just "religion" and "hippies" to these peopleDec 22 11:26
linuxgirlGreg seems to only care re tech/himself, not where or what is affected by thatDec 22 11:26
schestowitzthat's what companies likeDec 22 11:26
schestowitzmaybe that's why LF added him to the payrollDec 22 11:26
schestowitzMicrosoft apologism? Check. HIRED!Dec 22 11:27
linuxgirlwow, religion and hippies ... those championing what really matters!Dec 22 11:27
schestowitz 22 11:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Somebody Needs to Explain to the Linux Foundation That GNU/Linux (or Software Freedom) is Not a Religion | TechrightsDec 22 11:27
linuxgirlyes, guaranteed that's why LF cultivate GregKHDec 22 11:27
schestowitzGregKH friend brings a friendDec 22 11:28
schestowitzLevinDec 22 11:28
schestowitzhe said he "can vouch for him"Dec 22 11:28
linuxgirlomgDec 22 11:28
schestowitzThank you, Greg, we already know your Novell salaries came from MicrosoftDec 22 11:28
linuxgirlanyone GregKH vouches for isn't a friend of Linux I betDec 22 11:28
schestowitzhis hyper-V work etc.Dec 22 11:29
linuxgirlhmmmDec 22 11:29
schestowitz 22 11:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Hyper-V Reality Log - TechrightsDec 22 11:29
linuxgirlwow, as we're chatting it keeps hitting me about facebook.github, lolDec 22 11:29
schestowitz 22 11:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/ Remember that to #linuxfoundation we're just "religion" and "hippies"; we're NOTHING to these people; the management there is career-climbing sociopaths. 22 11:29
linuxgirljust unbelievable!Dec 22 11:29
schestowitzplease help usDec 22 11:29
schestowitzto spread the wordDec 22 11:29
schestowitzthat's all we needDec 22 11:29
schestowitznumbersDec 22 11:29
linuxgirlwhere do you go after arch (baby arch, btw ... the Zen installer, after having done a lot of 'the arch way' installs)Dec 22 11:30
schestowitzwe have the truth and narrativeDec 22 11:30
schestowitznot the budgetDec 22 11:30
schestowitzbut we have time and passionDec 22 11:30
linuxgirlyes, will do my best! :-)Dec 22 11:30
schestowitzsome people send us articlesDec 22 11:30
schestowitzwhich helps also....Dec 22 11:30
linuxgirlwill do my best! :-)Dec 22 11:30
schestowitzsome send leaks and tipsDec 22 11:30
linuxgirleekDec 22 11:30
schestowitzlike the Bill Gates stuffDec 22 11:30
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linuxgirlgrrr, text stopped workingDec 22 11:31
schestowitzmonths ago Bill paid my bossDec 22 11:31
schestowitzunder NDADec 22 11:31
schestowitzI did not sign the NSADec 22 11:31
linuxgirleekDec 22 11:31
schestowitzNDADec 22 11:31
schestowitzit does not apply to meDec 22 11:31
schestowitzMy boss competes against MSDec 22 11:31
oiaohmschestowitz: you have a list of projects that are on github.   Ok how many of those provide either Windows binaries or OS X binaries.   Remember you move to gitlab hosted by gitlab there CI hardware does not provide OS X or Windows.Dec 22 11:31
schestowitzSo no reason for Bill to pay himDec 22 11:31
oiaohmBasically who is going to pay the bill to run those CI severs.Dec 22 11:31
linuxgirlyes, following things back, or the worse steps these people try, can be very surprisingDec 22 11:32
schestowitzwe know what happened after Bill had paid MIT through his BBF EpsteinDec 22 11:32
schestowitzRMS homelessDec 22 11:32
schestowitzoiaohm: enough with your CI nonsenseDec 22 11:32
linuxgirlyes, just awful ... hope RMS is doing wellDec 22 11:32
schestowitzirrelevantDec 22 11:32
schestowitzyou can use gitlab alsoDec 22 11:32
schestowitzthe startups that do CI also add gitlab support sooner or laterDec 22 11:32
oiaohmschestowitz: No you cannot gitlab provide CI is Linux.Dec 22 11:32
schestowitzas GL growsDec 22 11:32
oiaohmschestowitz: the free one that is.Dec 22 11:32
oiaohmschestowitz: there is no windows CI or OS X CI free there.Dec 22 11:33
schestowitz[11:31] <oiaohm> Basically who is going to pay the bill to run those CI severs.Dec 22 11:33
schestowitzgo on, foolDec 22 11:33
schestowitzlet's make MS our sugar daddyDec 22 11:33
schestowitzwhat can go wrongDec 22 11:33
linuxgirllol, anything MS-linked is going to be doing damageDec 22 11:33
schestowitzPLEASE Microsoft.... pay me for the server.... PLEASE!!! Freedom!! PLEASE!! NADELLA, I LOVE YOU!!Dec 22 11:33
linuxgirllol :-)Dec 22 11:33
oiaohmExactly pointDec 22 11:33
oiaohmIf you don't use the CI provide at MS expenise you have to give them more money.Dec 22 11:34
linuxgirllinux has ALL the tech ability, so much so that ms wants that, so there are plenty who can develop a GH alternative, or improve gitlabDec 22 11:34
schestowitzkaniini very generously donated a server to usDec 22 11:34
linuxgirlcool! :-)Dec 22 11:34
linuxgirlvery good of themDec 22 11:34
schestowitzthe Free software world can figure out how to keep momentum going, without MS moneyDec 22 11:34
linuxgirlabsolutely!Dec 22 11:34
oiaohmI am not against say that project should have copies of their git with more than provider.Dec 22 11:35
schestowitzto depend financially on one's competition is to kill oneselfDec 22 11:35
linuxgirlno support to those who back MS is critical, and no using MS stuffDec 22 11:35
oiaohmTake as much advantage of what is given for free.Dec 22 11:35
linuxgirlyes, can never get rid of something like MS if still accessing and supporting itDec 22 11:35
schestowitz 22 11:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@eren_niazi: @schestowitz #microsoft has a master plan for #opensource and it’s not good. OpenSource is about #Freedom not cont… 22 11:35
schestowitz"Dec 22 11:35
schestowitz#microsoft has a master plan for #opensource and it’s not good.Dec 22 11:35
schestowitzOpenSource is about #Freedom not control. Dec 22 11:35
schestowitzDon’t you all think it’s a little suspicious what Microsoft paid for #github?Dec 22 11:35
schestowitz"Dec 22 11:35
linuxgirlyes, a world without privacy/space/choice/freedom is not manageableDec 22 11:36
schestowitzoiaohm: github is NOT FREEDec 22 11:36
schestowitzyou are the PRODUCTDec 22 11:36
schestowitzThey spy onDec 22 11:36
schestowitzdevsDec 22 11:36
schestowitzusersDec 22 11:36
schestowitzdownloadersDec 22 11:36
schestowitzIt's B.I.Dec 22 11:36
schestowitzIt's about controlDec 22 11:36
schestowitzThey also censor devsDec 22 11:36
linuxgirlyes, to pay that much is odd ... part of the master plan no doubt, and they're mainly known as data stealersDec 22 11:36
schestowitzthey remove projects for "ethical" reasonsDec 22 11:36
schestowitz(business reasons)Dec 22 11:36
oiaohmschestowitz: gitlab sensors developers and removes projects for ethical reasons/business reasons as well.Dec 22 11:36
linuxgirlwow, they do that?!Dec 22 11:36
schestowitzremove project for Trump, to impose US racist sanctionsDec 22 11:36
schestowitzso stop calling GitHub "free"Dec 22 11:37
linuxgirlnot a surprise really ... it is ms after allDec 22 11:37
schestowitz"Free" bunnyDec 22 11:37
schestowitzMicrosoft wants a list of who uses whatDec 22 11:37
schestowitzthen they can target themDec 22 11:37
schestowitzlike cambridge analytics did brexit scepticsDec 22 11:37
linuxgirlyes, power and control over open sourceDec 22 11:38
schestowitzNow they display targeted ads inside native Vista 10 "apps"Dec 22 11:38
schestowitzLike file managersDec 22 11:38
linuxgirlgoodnessDec 22 11:38
oiaohmschestowitz:  amount Microsoft paid for github makes sense for another reason.Dec 22 11:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Microsoft hosts the Windows source in a monstrous 300GB Git repository | Ars TechnicaDec 22 11:38
schestowitzThey can dissuade potential escapees they view as exploring gnu/linuxDec 22 11:38
schestowitzpushing them to MSVS, Azure etc.Dec 22 11:38
linuxgirlyes, trying to pull them over to develop 'linux' stuff for windowsDec 22 11:38
schestowitzAnd target CEOs to move companies to these, to ensure staff remains stranded in WindowslandDec 22 11:39
linuxgirlIoT is bad enough without ms trying to pull linux devs over there for itDec 22 11:39
schestowitzoiaohm: don't like to pedophile technicaDec 22 11:39
schestowitzthey should really delete this MS propagandaDec 22 11:39
schestowitzghostwritten by MicrosoftDec 22 11:39
oiaohmI remember when windows source was stored in their own version control system.Dec 22 11:39
schestowitzsent to their child rapist to post under pressureDec 22 11:39
oiaohmBut they changed to git because it did not work.Dec 22 11:39
linuxgirlyes, ms very much about disgusting abuseDec 22 11:39
schestowitzoiaohm: now you reinforce what people in phoronix say abouy uoiDec 22 11:40
schestowitza Microsoft pusherDec 22 11:40
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linuxgirlI seriously think you're working for ms, oiaohmDec 22 11:40
schestowitzWe talk about GNU/Linux advocacy and all you can do is confront us by pushing pro-MSFT liesDec 22 11:40
linuxgirlotherwise, what solutions do you have that are about supporting linux and privacy/freedom/choice?Dec 22 11:40
schestowitzGitHub also bribes OSI and LFDec 22 11:40
schestowitzIt's another bribery vehicle/coffer for the thugsDec 22 11:41
linuxgirlyes, these places need nobody to donate a penny evenDec 22 11:41
schestowitzand they use that for entryism, e.g. Python Boards (PyCon etc.)Dec 22 11:41
linuxgirlyesDec 22 11:41
schestowitzanyway, after today we must step up the calls for github to be abandonedDec 22 11:41
schestowitz"why are you on github?"Dec 22 11:41
linuxgirlabsolutely!Dec 22 11:41
schestowitz"what will it take for you to remove project/distro?"Dec 22 11:42
schestowitz"how can we help?"Dec 22 11:42
linuxgirla list of the worst about ms, and 'this is the company trying to run linux'. Dec 22 11:42
linuxgirlgood questions listDec 22 11:42
schestowitz"what is the timeline for leaving?"Dec 22 11:42
oiaohmIts been fun watching Microsoft kind of given in with the idea of bend Linux source applications to windows nt with wsl2 going full Linux kernel.Dec 22 11:42
schestowitz"can we suggest a number of reasons for leaving...?"Dec 22 11:42
schestowitzoiaohm: WSL is an attack on us allDec 22 11:42
schestowitzlook who PROMOTES itDec 22 11:43
schestowitzMicrosoft sitesDec 22 11:43
linuxgirlI think most people also knowing things like the child abuse that goes on, tooDec 22 11:43
schestowitzMicrosoft loversDec 22 11:43
schestowitzMicrosoft staffDec 22 11:43
oiaohmI am waiting for WSL2 to backfire.Dec 22 11:43
schestowitz 22 11:43
oiaohmBecause WSL2 is not keeping up to date with kernel version.Dec 22 11:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Microsoft Staff Repeatedly Refuses to Tell How Many People Use WSL, Defends Patent Extortion and Blackmail of Linux Instead | TechrightsDec 22 11:43
schestowitz#microsoftloveslinux Dec 22 11:43
oiaohmThis will result in not having all the require CVE as per government contracts.Dec 22 11:43
oiaohmWSL1 backfired.Dec 22 11:44
schestowitz[11:43] <linuxgirl> I think most people also knowing things like the child abuse that goes on, tooDec 22 11:44
oiaohmWSL2 will as well.Dec 22 11:44
linuxgirl#microsoftuseslinuxDec 22 11:44
oiaohmJust question of time.Dec 22 11:44
schestowitzwe only cover this in relation to etch thoughDec 22 11:44
schestowitzor we'd be spread too wideDec 22 11:44
schestowitz 22 11:44
schestowitzoiaohm uses him for referencing :-)Dec 22 11:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Microsoft Peter is a Pedophile, Arrested Without Bail | TechrightsDec 22 11:44
schestowitz 22 11:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Even After Microsoft Lost Its PR ‘Asset’ at Ars Technica (Arrested for Sexually Abusing Kids) Ars Technica Persists With Microsoft Advocacy (in ‘News’ Form) | TechrightsDec 22 11:45
linuxgirlyes, the whole business is sordid, what with literal abuse, and what they're trying to do with linux ... nobody must support them who runs linux, if linux is to be protected ie privacy/freedom/choiceDec 22 11:45
linuxgirlGates/Epstein too ... no normal person thinks paedophilia in an organisation, or anywhere, is okayDec 22 11:46
schestowitzlinux is easy for them to controlDec 22 11:46
schestowitzgnu... not as easyDec 22 11:46
schestowitzlinux is possible to control through LFDec 22 11:46
schestowitzwhich is corrupt to the core nowDec 22 11:46
oiaohmschestowitz: I did not check who the reference was.  Its over here as well.   Microsoft uses a lot of Linux and for windows depends on git to be useable.Dec 22 11:46
linuxgirlwe've got to all make sure that anything supporting ms is not supportedDec 22 11:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | The largest Git repo on the planet | Brian Harry's BlogDec 22 11:46
schestowitz[11:46] <linuxgirl> Gates/Epstein too ... no normal person thinks paedophilia in an organisation, or anywhere, is okayDec 22 11:46
schestowitzwait for parts IV and VDec 22 11:47
schestowitzGates Sr. played a role also, perhapsDec 22 11:47
oiaohmSo it was only matter of time until Microsoft either bought github or gitlab.Dec 22 11:47
linuxgirlokay :-)Dec 22 11:47
schestowitzBill's dadDec 22 11:47
oiaohmSome ways it was good Microsoft bought github.Dec 22 11:47
schestowitz 22 11:47
oiaohmThe non open source one.Dec 22 11:47
linuxgirlonly the LF corruption etc enabled MS to buy GH ... it wasn't inevitable at allDec 22 11:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Mansion of Pedophilia – Part II: Dr. Stallman Defamed in the Media One Day After Request Made for King County Sheriff’s Office to Divulge Information About Pedophilia in Home of Bill Gates | TechrightsDec 22 11:47
schestowitzThe main t trafficking right now is of info... to TechrightsDec 22 11:47
XRevan86oiaohm: Why would they buy GitLab though? When buying a userbase GitHub is an obvious choice.Dec 22 11:48
linuxgirlusers have never supported MS being near LinuxDec 22 11:48
schestowitz[11:47] <oiaohm> Some ways it was good Microsoft bought github.Dec 22 11:48
schestowitzsome say "Hitler did nothing wrong"Dec 22 11:48
linuxgirlexactlyDec 22 11:48
schestowitzMicrosoft Peter said it's OK to fuck kidsDec 22 11:48
schestowitzeven openlyDec 22 11:48
linuxgirljust awful, and MS are fine with thatDec 22 11:48
schestowitzin Ars partiesDec 22 11:48
XRevan86oiaohm: If you mean that this made GitHub's problematic nature more evident, then so what?Dec 22 11:48
schestowitzand they didn't take that as a sign of somethingDec 22 11:48
schestowitz[11:47] <linuxgirl> only the LF corruption etc enabled MS to buy GH ... it wasn't inevitable at allDec 22 11:49
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XRevan86oiaohm: It's flourishing, so the benefits to the commons are unclear.Dec 22 11:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Jim Zemlin: Open Source Loves Microsoft | TechrightsDec 22 11:49
schestowitzhe said that while regulators looked at the GitHub acquisitionDec 22 11:49
schestowitzMS made him say thatDec 22 11:49
schestowitzthey filmed itDec 22 11:49
linuxgirlyesDec 22 11:49
schestowitzeven uploaded it to YOUTUBE!Dec 22 11:50
linuxgirlso arrogant, aren't theyDec 22 11:50
oiaohmXRevan86: exactly github was problemmatic before Microsoft bought it. Dec 22 11:50
linuxgirl... facebook.github ... :-(Dec 22 11:50
oiaohmHere a few horrible facts.Dec 22 11:50
XRevan86oiaohm: We know!Dec 22 11:50
linuxgirl 22 11:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Zstandard - Real-time data compression algorithmDec 22 11:51
oiaohmBefore github was bought by microsoft.  Both gitlab and github hosting was on Azure so Microsoft could collect all the data back then anyhow.Dec 22 11:51
oiaohmGitlab is now on google hosting.Dec 22 11:51
schestowitznot as legallyDec 22 11:51
schestowitzand also GitLab is not the solutionDec 22 11:51
schestowitzself hosting isDec 22 11:51
oiaohmschestowitz: in fact legally.Dec 22 11:51
linuxgirlso you're saying linux developers were stupid before the GH purchase ... if that was the case, about data taken, they'd have known and left beforeDec 22 11:51
oiaohmschestowitz: wording of azure contract allows monitoring for quality provide of service and internal usage.Dec 22 11:52
oiaohmMost people don't check the azure fine print.Dec 22 11:52
linuxgirlnot interested in MS's inner workings, only in getting rid of themDec 22 11:52
schestowitzoiaohm slows down the discussionDec 22 11:52
schestowitzoiaohm: we're pro gnu/linuxDec 22 11:52
schestowitzare you?Dec 22 11:52
oiaohmSo the change in fact changed nothing other than putting problem in face.Dec 22 11:52
linuxgirlwhy aren't you beavering away on Github or some MS office? why here?Dec 22 11:52
linuxgirlwe are VERY pro-Linux, yesDec 22 11:53
kaniiniin fairness all the cloud services have this type of fine printDec 22 11:53
XRevan86schestowitz: GitLab != :)Dec 22 11:53
schestowitzkaniini: yes, I know, but for this reason i don't recommend GitLab either, except self-hosted etc.Dec 22 11:53
linuxgirldeliberately taking up time with MS, when what matters is time/energy on Linux and it's futureDec 22 11:53
kaniiniaccordingly, AWS etc must be avoided tooDec 22 11:53
schestowitzlike GNOME (AFAIK they're in better control)Dec 22 11:53
linuxgirla lot of things to avoid nowadaysDec 22 11:54
schestowitzkaniini: yes, but less urgently than that which looks to undermine or hijack the FS movementDec 22 11:54
linuxgirlwondering where to go after Arch (Zen, baby arch ... but have done the proper install quite a few times before)Dec 22 11:54
oiaohmReality we have not been reading the fine print.   Also we have the problem you want to move away from the cloud services you have to have the resources todo it as well.Dec 22 11:54
schestowitzyou can die cheaplyDec 22 11:55
schestowitzor live expensivelyDec 22 11:55
schestowitzas a businessDec 22 11:55
kaniiniazure and aws are both trying to convince laboratories to throw their infrastructure in the trash and use the cloud for scientific computingDec 22 11:55
schestowitzif you are at the mercy of Google API, watch outDec 22 11:55
linuxgirlcloud/smart/5g are the end, if allowed to continue expandingDec 22 11:55
schestowitzkaniini: later they jack up the priceDec 22 11:55
schestowitzand add "extensions" to raise exit barrierDec 22 11:55
schestowitza good CIO would foresee thisDec 22 11:56
kaniiniyesDec 22 11:56
schestowitzalso unplanned downtimesDec 22 11:56
schestowitzuncontrolledDec 22 11:56
schestowitz"boss, server's down"Dec 22 11:56
schestowitzboss: do somethingDec 22 11:56
oiaohmkaniini: its not just azure and aws either.  Google and about 5 other cloud vendors are also pushing that into scientific computing and medicial......Dec 22 11:56
schestowitz"I do. I'm waiting for "the cloud"..."Dec 22 11:56
linuxgirlIoT = control the masses/switch off things 'randomly'Dec 22 11:57
schestowitzour energy provider tries to put one in our homeDec 22 11:57
kaniinithey claim renting instances has lower TCO than buying a cluster outrightDec 22 11:57
kaniiniquite funny reallyDec 22 11:57
schestowitzyesterday in the post they gave notification of visit to install on eDec 22 11:57
schestowitzof course we won't let them in, we even pay extra to NOT have oneDec 22 11:57
schestowitzI feel sooooo NOT "smart"Dec 22 11:58
schestowitztheir marketing papers and letter put "smart" next to every wordDec 22 11:58
linuxgirlvery actually smart, for sure, to not have this spying and controlling stuffDec 22 11:58
schestowitzit's hilarious, I should take a photo and upload sometime...Dec 22 11:58
oiaohmschestowitz: I run Linux on all my systems.    I don't see being anti-microsoft is a good move if all that end up happening is like everyone moves to google instead long term that will not improve things.Dec 22 11:58
kaniinismart meters they can click your power remotelyDec 22 11:58
linuxgirlyes, the number of time utter idiots use the word 'smart' is ridiculous, all the while intending to destroy privacy etc, including their ownDec 22 11:58
kaniinione time somebody typo the meter number on a disconnect order and I got clickedDec 22 11:58
schestowitzlater come Smart+++Dec 22 11:59
schestowitzmicrophones, cameras, thermostatsDec 22 11:59
schestowitz"for your improved service"Dec 22 11:59
linuxgirlenergy company ALWAYS pushing smart ... an absolute NO from me!Dec 22 11:59
schestowitzand you can never switch back to analogueDec 22 11:59
schestowitzI heard that in germany some energy providers now make this mandatoryDec 22 11:59
linuxgirlyes, must absolutely resist anything smartDec 22 11:59
schestowitzwe explain to the man who comes to take meter  readings that we protect his jobDec 22 12:00
schestowitzhe's not highly-skilledDec 22 12:00
linuxgirlcan guarantee google/facebook/ms/aws etc behind it, slurping up anything they canDec 22 12:00
schestowitzsometimes we'd let him visit several times to just meet quotasDec 22 12:00
linuxgirlyes, hopefully the meter reader 'gets it' and is an anti-smart as usDec 22 12:00
linuxgirlcoolDec 22 12:00
linuxgirl*as anti-smartDec 22 12:00
schestowitzhaha.... gafam will sooner or later "partner" with these energy companies, not just undersea drillersDec 22 12:00
schestowitz 22 12:01
kaniinithey do alreadyDec 22 12:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | HuffPost is now part of Verizon MediaDec 22 12:01
schestowitz:-oDec 22 12:01
kaniinithe smart meters analysis tools for AEP customers are googleDec 22 12:01
linuxgirlI'd think the more this happens the more people wake up to this and say a determined NODec 22 12:01
oiaohmOn IOT << this read like o crap no.Dec 22 12:01
kaniiniand they connect to nest and stuffDec 22 12:02
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Amazon, Apple, Google, and the Zigbee Alliance to develop connectivity standard - AppleDec 22 12:02
schestowitzhey, it's not like they'll sell this to the CIA through a shell that's Adelson security contractor in Las Vegas ;-)Dec 22 12:02
linuxgirlthe more numbers who are awake, the less control these organisations have ... obviously they're banding together due to realising ppl are waking up, so they try to rush it through ... Dec 22 12:02
schestowitz(Assange case in Spain ATM)Dec 22 12:02
schestowitzlinuxgirl: like UPCDec 22 12:02
schestowitzUnitary PatentDec 22 12:02
kaniinithen you have the ring doorbellsDec 22 12:02
schestowitzThey tried to rush it as soon as or before people caught onDec 22 12:02
schestowitzbut we managed to defeat itDec 22 12:02
kaniinicops can view them any timeDec 22 12:02
kaniinino fourth amendment protectionDec 22 12:03
linuxgirlthe more they try to rush bad things through, the more important it is to not 'jump', to insist on time and gain knowledge, to beat themDec 22 12:03
schestowitzkaniini: CCTV in private handsDec 22 12:03
linuxgirlthose ring doorbells are a travesty ... abusing others' privacy who chose NOT to install themDec 22 12:03
schestowitzand in private buildings, your neighbour as informant, unwittinglyDec 22 12:03
linuxgirlYes, we're onto them trying to rush things, for sureDec 22 12:03
schestowitzRing is exposed a lot in the media this monthDec 22 12:03
schestowitzso people have some facts to chew onDec 22 12:04
schestowitzwhether it slows down adoption? Not sure...Dec 22 12:04
oiaohmI really do wonder how long until we have our first murder by smart home.   That would add a horrible new card to the game of cluedoDec 22 12:04
linuxgirlyes, ring does nothing to help neighbourhoods at all ... except maybe highlight who doesn't give a poo about others' rights, and whatever comes from thatDec 22 12:04
schestowitzSUPPORT CCTV or the "NAZIS"|"TERRORISTS" will winDec 22 12:04
linuxgirlyes, I doubt any sane person wants that ring rubbish anywhere near them, so the more publicity the betterDec 22 12:04
schestowitz[12:04] <oiaohm> I really do wonder how long until we have our first murder by smart home.   That would add a horrible new card to the game of cluedoDec 22 12:04
schestowitzsee South KoreaDec 22 12:04
schestowitzgirl, unnamed, committed suicideDec 22 12:04
schestowitzwhen she found out she had been filmed undressingDec 22 12:05
linuxgirlawfulDec 22 12:05
schestowitzI think she was underago, too... weeks agoDec 22 12:05
oiaohmschestowitz: I am not talking like that I am talking like the house locks all the doors and sets the place on fire.Dec 22 12:05
linuxgirlring has been repeatedly hacked already, instructing kids, screaming at ppl, etcDec 22 12:05
schestowitzthe media there won't even shed many detailsDec 22 12:05
schestowitzhotels did the same thingDec 22 12:05
schestowitzfilming couples having sexDec 22 12:05
schestowitza friend who was there a year ago told me hotel r ooms were afleed with digial thingsDec 22 12:06
schestowitzeven the toilet seats...Dec 22 12:06
schestowitzThey're technophiles... to the extremeDec 22 12:06
linuxgirlit's got to the point that contemplating going anywhere, the first thought is privacy risksDec 22 12:06
schestowitzthey're put gadgets on their dicks if such a thing existedDec 22 12:06
linuxgirlyepDec 22 12:06
linuxgirlalready robot sex being pushed as 'a great opportunity'Dec 22 12:06
schestowitzand wearing hats/masking the face is being criminalisedDec 22 12:07
oiaohmSome hotels do have horrible set of sensors.Dec 22 12:07
linuxgirl'build your own'Dec 22 12:07
schestowitzin several Western 'civilised' nationsDec 22 12:07
schestowitzI saw several reports this month aloneDec 22 12:07
linuxgirlyesDec 22 12:07
oiaohmYes some do have tollet seat sensors for the stupid reason to reduce on cleaning.Dec 22 12:07
schestowitzso EVEN LOOKING AWAY FROM A CAMERA gets you detainedDec 22 12:07
schestowitzhappened in BritLand months agoDec 22 12:07
schestowitzcameras in the streets that isDec 22 12:07
schestowitzmakes you "suspect"Dec 22 12:07
linuxgirlbut ppl should be clean about the toilet .. it's just a lazy excuse saying 'we need sensors to make sure the loo is clean'Dec 22 12:08
schestowitz"Wants privacy" ->  crime suspectDec 22 12:08
schestowitz[12:07] <oiaohm> Yes some do have tollet seat sensors for the stupid reason to reduce on cleaning.Dec 22 12:08
schestowitzsignDec 22 12:08
oiaohmlinuxgirl: its so they don't have to clean it if you don't use it.  Dec 22 12:08
schestowitzhey, get a smart watchDec 22 12:08
linuxgirlexactly ... you're looked at as if you should be committed if mentioning privacyDec 22 12:08
schestowitzapple has a new patentDec 22 12:08
schestowitzfor putting cameras on theseDec 22 12:08
linuxgirlstill laxyDec 22 12:08
linuxgirl*lazyDec 22 12:08
schestowitzsmike with your anus while you wipe, oiaohmDec 22 12:08
schestowitzHey, "] <oiaohm> linuxgirl: its so they don't have to clean it if you don't use it.  "Dec 22 12:08
oiaohmNothing as stupid as hotel/cruse ship safes.Dec 22 12:09
schestowitzIt's good for your hiegiene to give them back end 'action'..."Dec 22 12:09
oiaohmThat standard password basically open them always.Dec 22 12:09
schestowitz*hygiene Dec 22 12:09
oiaohmSo if you have stuff to secure you should always travel with your own security solution.Dec 22 12:09
linuxgirlpeople sh*tting everywhere and not cleaning up is encouraged by 'sensors' ie potential data-minersDec 22 12:09
linuxgirlthat's lazy and not civilizedDec 22 12:09
schestowitzbs excuseDec 22 12:10
schestowitzhire bloody maids and janitorsDec 22 12:10
linuxgirla bum wash, where you pull a lever, fine, but sensors/smart stuff ... nopeDec 22 12:10
schestowitzgive people bloody jobsDec 22 12:10
schestowitzand they will respect your disgnityDec 22 12:10
linuxgirllol, yes, ppl's jobs, and normal ways of doing stuffDec 22 12:10
schestowitzunless you're DSK from IMFDec 22 12:10
schestowitzlinuxgirl: f* jobsDec 22 12:10
schestowitzgive tax money to foxconnDec 22 12:11
linuxgirllolDec 22 12:11
schestowitzthey'll erect some empty building in WIDec 22 12:11
schestowitzJobs? There you go? Another 2 TRILLION in national debt. Am I doing OK? The Donald Tycoon had 6 bankruptcies... 7th and biggest one yet on the wayDec 22 12:12
oiaohmIn future we could have way worse in a tollet than just monitoring if you used it or not. 22 12:12
linuxgirlomgDec 22 12:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Can 'smart toilets' be the next health data wellspring? -- ScienceDailyDec 22 12:12
linuxgirlplop in a bag, I sayDec 22 12:12
linuxgirllolDec 22 12:12
schestowitzor stay away from these "smart" places with "smart" se rvicesDec 22 12:12
linuxgirlyes, for sureDec 22 12:13
schestowitzI never swipe a card at the gym... I'm the only one apparently, they came to accept thatDec 22 12:13
linuxgirlgoodDec 22 12:13
oiaohmI guess you saw nytimes with the mobile phone tracking data that people had agreed to with apps on phonesDec 22 12:13
schestowitz'phones'Dec 22 12:13
oiaohmIncluding a good stack of people working in pentagon and whitehouse.Dec 22 12:13
schestowitzJacob Appelbaum said it like I hadDec 22 12:13
linuxgirlmy app days are long goneDec 22 12:13
schestowitzit's a spying devices that can also make callsDec 22 12:13
schestowitzbefore they 'vanished' him with fear of prosecutionDec 22 12:14
schestowitzhe linked to techrights on occasionsDec 22 12:14
oiaohm   << this one I am refering to.Dec 22 12:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Opinion | Twelve Million Phones, One Dataset, Zero Privacy - The New York TimesDec 22 12:14
schestowitzI knowDec 22 12:14
schestowitzlots of articles about that one articleDec 22 12:14
schestowitzbut people will likely not change habitsDec 22 12:14
oiaohmOf course this does not cover the fact your carrier can track you down to a roughtly square meter from the towers.Dec 22 12:15
oiaohmwithout an app.Dec 22 12:15
schestowitzwhen i met my consulate in Leeds (Germany) he was shocked when I explained to him google ignores the location toggleDec 22 12:15
schestowitzthey should not use these things Dec 22 12:15
schestowitzdiplomats... Merkel has a special oneDec 22 12:15
oiaohmI am watching pinephone developments.Dec 22 12:16
schestowitzthe others just buy one off the shelf... like ordinary citizensDec 22 12:16
oiaohmCould be a decent phone from a security point of view.Dec 22 12:16
schestowitzthe Pentagon analysts have them on their systems... can blackmail them using all sorts of things inc. corruption and infidelityDec 22 12:16
schestowitzpinephone still uses the celltowersDec 22 12:16
linuxgirldepends what's run on the phone maybeDec 22 12:16
schestowitzand the calls are not e2e-encryptedDec 22 12:16
schestowitzPGP works betterDec 22 12:17
oiaohmschestowitz: does have a cell moden offswitch so I can still access the data on it when it not trackable to towersDec 22 12:17
schestowitzthey know who talks to who unless you use torDec 22 12:17
linuxgirlpinephone are looking to develop a smart-watch. hopefully the phone and watch can make some real progressDec 22 12:17
schestowitzbut they don't know where from or contentsDec 22 12:17
schestowitzPGP now encrypts subject lines too (unlike in the past)Dec 22 12:17
*schestowitz gets stuff about Gates in PGP cryptoDec 22 12:18
linuxgirlcoolDec 22 12:18
oiaohmEven using tor its still possible to solve out who is talking to who it just takes more time.Dec 22 12:18
schestowitzi.e. from 'criminals'Dec 22 12:18
schestowitzpeople who want privacy = criminals :-)Dec 22 12:18
schestowitzhow dare they speak of crimeDec 22 12:18
linuxgirlgone from pushing ms to saying 'nothing is private' ... not trueDec 22 12:18
schestowitzoiaohm: so why does your country (AU) try to IMPOSE back doors?Dec 22 12:19
schestowitzIt's the only one that openly passed a low about itDec 22 12:19
schestowitzI suppose China, US and Russia did tooDec 22 12:19
linuxgirlasserting privacy, and working for that, does have positive outcomes, and will continue ... there'd not have been a linux otherwise, and now across all serversDec 22 12:19
schestowitzObviously they have a lapse of visionDec 22 12:19
schestowitz 22 12:19
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Pine Gap - WikipediaDec 22 12:19
schestowitz[12:19] <schestowitz> It's the only one that openly passed a low about it   >>> LAWDec 22 12:20
schestowitzUK did that more secretly, Aussie speaks to enough dingos... that they can just be all blatant about it and still pass itDec 22 12:20
linuxgirlit's shameful how much the UK is mentioned as the worst for privacy ... and concerningDec 22 12:21
schestowitzI'm waiting to see people who think WSL offers better privacy :-) LOLDec 22 12:21
linuxgirland AU used to not be negative about this stuffDec 22 12:21
linuxgirllol! :-)Dec 22 12:21
schestowitz 22 12:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@wikileaks: Another example: The alleged "CIA Snowden", Joshua Schulte, who the US claims is the whistleblower behind the large… 22 12:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@wikileaks: Another example: The alleged "CIA Snowden", Joshua Schulte, who the US claims is the whistleblower behind the large… 22 12:21
schestowitz 22 12:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: @wikileaks 22 12:21
linuxgirlomg, 160 years ... they really want rid of himDec 22 12:22
schestowitzthey say he's a pedoDec 22 12:22
schestowitzso nobody in the media will support him like they did SnowdenDec 22 12:22
schestowitzclever strategyDec 22 12:22
schestowitznobody would ever want to defend a pedoDec 22 12:22
linuxgirlall fabricated to try to avoid another Snowden/any impactDec 22 12:22
schestowitzsame done to matt dehartDec 22 12:22
schestowitzwho was released months ago... his mother has been lovely to meDec 22 12:23
schestowitzand I doubt he has interest in kids, sexualluDec 22 12:23
linuxgirlI'd hope people start realising not to take at face value these kind of slurs ... I think the system arrogantly does this too oftenDec 22 12:23
schestowitzdoesn't fit the 'profile'Dec 22 12:23
oiaohmschestowitz: You need to think more carefully.  AU is part of the Five Eyes.   That is Australia, Canada, New Zealand, the United Kingdom and the United States.   Differnet things by law Australian government is required to declare publicly.Dec 22 12:23
linuxgirlsystem doesn't care if it destroys these men's livesDec 22 12:23
schestowitzThis is what a pedo might look like 22 12:24
oiaohmschestowitz: Don't think for one min that those backdoors the Australian government was talking about imposing was only Australia.Dec 22 12:24
linuxgirlas long as truth is kept quiet ... they hope ... Dec 22 12:24
linuxgirldefinitelyDec 22 12:24
linuxgirlie bill's oneDec 22 12:24
schestowitzBill is readyDec 22 12:25
schestowitzBill is hungryDec 22 12:25
schestowitzcome to BillDec 22 12:25
schestowitzbut...Dec 22 12:25
schestowitzI don't think he's a pedoDec 22 12:25
linuxgirlbill is a .... [daren't type it]Dec 22 12:25
schestowitzwife thinks he might be "watching"Dec 22 12:25
schestowitznot "participating"Dec 22 12:25
schestowitzand I doubt it altogetherDec 22 12:25
schestowitzall of it, except some people around him are pedosDec 22 12:25
linuxgirlpaedo or supporting it ... both really badDec 22 12:25
schestowitzhe's aware and he worries people will find outDec 22 12:25
schestowitzfamiliar situationDec 22 12:25
schestowitzyou know someone who stole or evades taxDec 22 12:26
linuxgirlI don't know how anyone can stomach being anywhere near taking part in or supporting abuseDec 22 12:26
schestowitzbut that person trusts you, so you just blush and keep  numbDec 22 12:26
linuxgirlif Gates blew the whistle, yes, he'd be poor, but at least he'd have found a soul, and make a significant differenceDec 22 12:26
schestowitzAANND... remember what Gates' "Saint" status is built aroundDec 22 12:26
schestowitzhe loves and helps kids.... we're toldDec 22 12:26
linuxgirlexactlyDec 22 12:26
schestowitzso it would totally end his public career like it did PedoDrew ('Prince Andrew')Dec 22 12:27
linuxgirlyesDec 22 12:27
schestowitzif he goes dark, it's good for FSDec 22 12:27
linuxgirla good thing ... these ppl have no right to be so corrupt and not pay for thatDec 22 12:27
schestowitzhe's the lead in MS BoardDec 22 12:27
schestowitznobody in the Board has more clout then himDec 22 12:27
linuxgirlyesDec 22 12:27
schestowitzhe can sack nadella in 5 minutes if so he wishesDec 22 12:27
schestowitzfaster tan you can say "BILL, HEEEEL!"Dec 22 12:28
linuxgirlyes, if only he himself could be sackedDec 22 12:28
schestowitzhe can be put awayDec 22 12:28
schestowitzlike RMS wasDec 22 12:28
oiaohm   << Please note here 3 countries sign this request to facebook.  Only one in fact had taken it before the Parliament before doing that request and that is Australia. Dec 22 12:28
schestowitzfor legit reasons, not libelDec 22 12:28
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | US, UK and Australia urge Facebook to create backdoor access to encrypted messages | Technology | The GuardianDec 22 12:28
schestowitzRMS was pushed aside for what he had said for yearsDec 22 12:28
schestowitzin his site, publiclyDec 22 12:28
schestowitzthat sexual "assault" should at least be physicalDec 22 12:29
linuxgirlRMS has done so much good .... Gates definitely notDec 22 12:29
schestowitzlike cops assault protestersDec 22 12:29
linuxgirllooking ahead, I'd choose an RMS-world, never a Gates oneDec 22 12:29
schestowitzthen they spiced it up with something he said a decade ago about an article about some pedo political party... a Dutch one, IIRCDec 22 12:29
linuxgirlas you'd now privacy/freedom/choice not only continue but become much more what real life is aboutDec 22 12:29
schestowitz 22 12:30
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | BBC NEWS | Technology | It's not the Gates, it's the barsDec 22 12:30
schestowitzby RMSDec 22 12:30
linuxgirlthe cancel culture went for him, just a week after he spoke at MS ... not suspicious (sarc)Dec 22 12:30
schestowitzBefore Gates started bribing BBC repeatedly, Dec 22 12:30
schestowitzAs he does the GuardianDec 22 12:30
schestowitzRMS told me after that they had become less receptive to him columns, or something to that effectDec 22 12:31
linuxgirlI don't bother with any of these horrible newspapers ... the British press have no credibility any moreDec 22 12:31
linuxgirlYes, I imagine they would start unpleasantness like shoving RMS out of articlesDec 22 12:31
schestowitzlinuxgirl: a day after a report request filed with the policeDec 22 12:31
schestowitzfor pedo arrest at his home (Gates')Dec 22 12:31
linuxgirlyesDec 22 12:31
schestowitzSept. 13tthDec 22 12:31
schestowitz September 13, 2019 - Written request made to King County Sheriff’s Office: “Request is made for the following public records regarding criminal case # 14-1-06789-1: 1. Full police report. 2. Search warrant application and affidavit. 3. CAD report. 4. All transcripts/audio recordings/statements from defendant and witnesses related to this case. 5. Property/Evidence Report.”Dec 22 12:32
linuxgirlshocking that there was so much RMS hate instead, wrongfullyDec 22 12:32
schestowitzSeptember 13, 2019 - Received email from Sakilyne Kally | Functional Analyst II | Public Disclosure Unit - Subject: Public Disclosure Request Reference #P039465-091319. Message: “Using the information provided, the KCSO Disclosure Unit has determined that the incident you are referring to occurred outside the jurisdiction of the KCSO. We suggest you contact Seattle Police for records that may be responsive to your request. You may reach Dec 22 12:32
schestowitzthem at (206) 684-5481. Your request is now closed.”Dec 22 12:32
linuxgirlhmmmDec 22 12:32
schestowitzSeptember 13, 2019 - Submitted same written request to City of Seattle Public Records Request Center. Included additional optional fields for reference: “Incident Number: 14-1-06789-1. Incident Date: March 20, 2014.”Dec 22 12:32
schestowitzSeptember 13, 2019 - Request received by SPPD, reference number is P047691-091319. City of Seattle Public Records Request Center user account created and confirmed by email.Dec 22 12:32
schestowitzSept. 14th THIS started: 22 12:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Stallman Under Fire for Views on Epstein | Tux MachinesDec 22 12:33
schestowitzmind datesDec 22 12:33
linuxgirlLike Andrew, I seriously wonder how involved we'll find Gates to be in the end. Dec 22 12:33
linuxgirlYes, the very next day!Dec 22 12:33
linuxgirlTo shift the heatDec 22 12:33
schestowitzwait for later partsDec 22 12:34
schestowitzit'll fascinate youDec 22 12:34
linuxgirlWith no regard for all of RMS's very important workDec 22 12:34
schestowitzI will start next week with part IIIDec 22 12:34
linuxgirlI look forward to reading thatDec 22 12:34
linuxgirlgreat :-)Dec 22 12:34
schestowitz 22 12:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Mansion of Pedophilia – Part I: Bill Gates Has Plenty to Hide. Money and Connections Have Helped. | TechrightsDec 22 12:34
oiaohmThe horrible part is laws effecting people in management positions like CEOs really don't care how much good you do for a business.Dec 22 12:34
linuxgirlRMS knows this, yes, that it was to shift the Gates heat away from the spotlight?Dec 22 12:34
schestowitzI wil drop clues in IRCDec 22 12:35
linuxgirlYes, the business psychopaths, who only care re money/controlDec 22 12:35
schestowitz October 22, 2019 - Received status update email from Sauncy Hurst: “The Seattle Police Department needs additional time to respond to your request due to the following: Records are currently being reviewed for redactions At this time, we anticipate having a response/installment to you on or about 11/13/2019.”Dec 22 12:35
oiaohmGates moved himself out of management positions.Dec 22 12:35
schestowitzand latestDec 22 12:35
schestowitz"At this time, we anticipate having a response/installment to you on or about 1/8/2020."Dec 22 12:35
schestowitzHence my posting of this series slowlyDec 22 12:35
oiaohmas the it was coming clear that the laws would be enforced on these things.Dec 22 12:35
linuxgirlhmmmDec 22 12:35
schestowitzWe can hopefully publish a motherlodeDec 22 12:35
schestowitzwith readactionsDec 22 12:35
schestowitzover 2000 pages!Dec 22 12:35
schestowitzBut nothing happenedDec 22 12:35
linuxgirlyes, that would be good, and wake a lot of ppl upDec 22 12:35
schestowitzjust... 2000+ page police report ;-)Dec 22 12:36
oiaohmRMS should have changed his possition inside FSF a few year back.Dec 22 12:36
linuxgirlthat's a heck of a lot of pagesDec 22 12:36
schestowitzyupDec 22 12:36
schestowitzfor copsDec 22 12:36
schestowitzthey're not novelistsDec 22 12:36
schestowitzthey keep postposing and stonewallingDec 22 12:36
schestowitzbut we're persistentDec 22 12:36
linuxgirlfsf should have kept their morals and values intact, including about who was allowed to join ... it was a new batch of members who were stirring it too, including YT channels (I dumped them instantly)Dec 22 12:36
schestowitzand at this stage walking away would itself become a scandalDec 22 12:37
schestowitzso I hope they press onDec 22 12:37
linuxgirlYes, always keep them on their toes!Dec 22 12:37
linuxgirlYesDec 22 12:37
schestowitzit's good I dumped this in IRCDec 22 12:37
linuxgirlgoodDec 22 12:37
schestowitzin case something happens to me, even just some health reasonsDec 22 12:37
schestowitzif there's just one of us, it's easy to undermine progressDec 22 12:37
linuxgirldon't worry about that ... that won't happenDec 22 12:37
schestowitzSPPD, reference number is P047691-091319Dec 22 12:38
schestowitzCity of Seattle Public Records Request CenterDec 22 12:38
schestowitzDon't let Gates and his dad off the hookDec 22 12:38
linuxgirlit would be so ridiculously obvious, so I'd try not to worryDec 22 12:38
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oiaohm  It was basically 2017 when the writing on the wall appeared that presure would be put on that labour laws/work place health and saftey laws over sexual crimes stuff would start getting enforced.Dec 22 12:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Me Too movement - WikipediaDec 22 12:38
schestowitzmake a copy, on paper if neededDec 22 12:38
schestowitz 22 12:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Framed, Spied On, & Smeared: Exposing Weinstein's Horrifying Secret Plan to Bully Victims into Silence - Patriots' Soapbox 24/7 News NetworkDec 22 12:38
oiaohmLot of parties ignored the writing the Me too movement put on the wall and have been prosecuted since.Dec 22 12:39
linuxgirlgive copies to everyone you know, and make sure they know that ... but I'd not worry; they'd want you to worry, and feel threatened, so don't let them bother youDec 22 12:39
schestowitz 22 12:39
schestowitzLike Cambridge AnalysticaDec 22 12:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Weinstein Co. has filed for bankruptcy and will pursue a sale - Los Angeles TimesDec 22 12:39
schestowitzyou shut downDec 22 12:39
schestowitzand then it's hard to subpoenaDec 22 12:39
schestowitzSee also: Emerdata (their stuff shifted to that)Dec 22 12:40
linuxgirlweinstein is putting on the act of his life, with that 'ill health' thingDec 22 12:40
linuxgirlabusers always play the sympathy cardDec 22 12:40
schestowitzlinuxgirl: don't contact the police about it unless we go silentDec 22 12:40
schestowitzas we don't want too many people to give them 'cold feet'Dec 22 12:40
linuxgirlwomen asserting about him; good, as long as they don't go sjwDec 22 12:40
schestowitzone person is enoughDec 22 12:40
linuxgirlthat's quite a serious message; noted :-)Dec 22 12:40
schestowitzthis channel is logged and may be spied on by manual operators, either in real time or the site (can't keep track of all nicks in this channel, but we publish regardless, so no 'competitive advantage' to active watching in RT)Dec 22 12:41
linuxgirlokayDec 22 12:41
schestowitzyou know what I said about my bossDec 22 12:41
oiaohmYep all  Cambridge Analystica collected data is now at Emerdata because they were allowed to go defunct without a order to destory what they had collected.Dec 22 12:41
linuxgirldidn't realise IRC could be seen, eekDec 22 12:41
schestowitzthat too should be kept in mind, though it might be just an awkward coincidence... the NDA adds to the suspicionDec 22 12:42
linuxgirlyes, it doesDec 22 12:42
schestowitzI meanDec 22 12:42
schestowitzsay you're a charityDec 22 12:42
schestowitzand someone help youDec 22 12:42
schestowitzwhy NDA?Dec 22 12:42
schestowitzi mean, WTF?Dec 22 12:42
schestowitzAre you a spy agency?Dec 22 12:42
linuxgirlyes, does seem extremeDec 22 12:42
schestowitzand we're not supposed to even NAME them?Dec 22 12:43
linuxgirlthat's definitely dodgyDec 22 12:43
linuxgirlif it was some above board thing, why'd they worry about being named?Dec 22 12:43
schestowitzAs if, in case it comes to court (mind you, Gates Sr. is of highest legal clout in the US), they can say, "CAN'T TALK! NDA! Case dismissed!"Dec 22 12:43
linuxgirlhmmmm, not goodDec 22 12:44
linuxgirlI'd better pop off for now. If I'm not on before xmas, have a good one! :-)Dec 22 12:45
schestowitzcheersDec 22 12:46
schestowitzkeep the number handyDec 22 12:46
schestowitzdon't let goDec 22 12:46
schestowitzwe owe it to the piblicDec 22 12:46
linuxgirlokay :-)  no worriesDec 22 12:46
schestowitzit's worse than you think for reasons I will cover laterDec 22 12:46
schestowitzthey gagged the mediaDec 22 12:46
schestowitzbut gagging police is riskyDec 22 12:47
schestowitzas that in itself can become a massive scandalDec 22 12:47
linuxgirlalways make sure to support what's genuinely ppl-respecting, so will always do what I canDec 22 12:47
schestowitzwe may oust another major culprit, but it won't be without toilDec 22 12:47
linuxgirlyes, cops need to start speaking up moreDec 22 12:47
schestowitzthey doDec 22 12:47
schestowitzbut not as cops ;-)Dec 22 12:47
linuxgirlyes, tends to be 'x-police officer'Dec 22 12:48
schestowitzmy cohost in techbytes was a copDec 22 12:48
linuxgirlyes?Dec 22 12:48
schestowitzayeDec 22 12:48
linuxgirlretired or left?Dec 22 12:48
schestowitzleftDec 22 12:48
linuxgirlhear that quite oftenDec 22 12:48
linuxgirlgood for themDec 22 12:48
linuxgirlwill have to bail for now, but will check in. all the best :-)Dec 22 12:49
schestowitzI gave a job recommendationDec 22 12:49
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schestowitzhe got the jobDec 22 12:49
oiaohmschestowitz:  really USA law don't need a NDA can just refuse to answer.Dec 22 12:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Self-incrimination - WikipediaDec 22 12:49
schestowitzwe're uk-basedDec 22 12:50
schestowitzand ianalDec 22 12:50
schestowitzbill's dad isDec 22 12:50
oiaohmAustralian law legally can force you to answer as long not you who will be prosecuted.Dec 22 12:50
oiaohmUk law is about the same.Dec 22 12:51
oiaohmas USA law.Dec 22 12:51
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Today in Techrights []Dec 22 13:05
schestowitzbased on similar constitutional 'templates', oiaohmDec 22 13:07
schestowitzor shared 'heritage'Dec 22 13:07
schestowitznot just commitment, brotherhood, cross-pollination...Dec 22 13:08
schestowitzin 10 YEARS (almost, soon) in the company I NEVER heard of an NDADec 22 13:10
schestowitzuntil this...Dec 22 13:10
schestowitzthe timing does raise some potential question/intrigueDec 22 13:10
oiaohmschestowitz:   the first NDA I ever read about what the one between IBM and Microsoft over the dos operating system.Dec 22 13:20
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-The Agreement That Catapulted Microsoft Over IBM | OZYDec 22 13:21
oiaohmNDA between companies are used a hell of a lot.Dec 22 13:23
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Games: Time Gate: Knight's Chase, Life is Strange 2, SuperTuxKart 1.1 []Dec 22 13:23
schestowitzoiaohm: I knowDec 22 13:29
schestowitzbut this one I was notified aboutDec 22 13:29
schestowitzonly meDec 22 13:29
schestowitzit was targeted at me onlyDec 22 13:29
schestowitznot my colleaguesDec 22 13:29
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-TechrightsBot-tr/ | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post objectDec 22 15:01
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Debian's Leftovers: Mike Gabriel's Report and Molly de Blanc on Consent and Dignity []Dec 22 15:02
schestowitznice oneDec 22 15:04
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-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: today's leftovers []Dec 22 15:35
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Links 22/12/2019: Linux Random Number Generation, KTimeTracker 5.0.1 []Dec 22 15:49
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-TechrightsBot-tr/ | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post objectDec 22 16:29
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Dump of my princess Routa - Album on ImgurDec 22 16:39
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Snowden: The subtitles are very slightly more readable in this version of the video (via reddit). 22 16:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Snowden: The subtitles are very slightly more readable in this version of the video (via reddit). 22 16:45
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-1984 (8/11) Movie CLIP - Winston is Tested (1984) HD - YouTubeDec 22 16:51
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schestowitz> i know shes pro-stallman, i assume you know whats going on with leah rowes financial situation.Dec 22 17:45
schestowitz> Dec 22 17:45
schestowitz> if not, update is here: 22 17:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 500 @ )Dec 22 17:45
schestowitz> Dec 22 17:45
schestowitz> seems newsworthy especially when shes looking for gestures of good will. cheers.Dec 22 17:45
schestowitzShe's pro-RMS only in the context of the defamation campaign but had called for a boycott of GNU (later retracted and apologised).Dec 22 17:45
schestowitzI'm open to changes in opinions. But would be cautious given that flip-flopping. Unpredictable personality.Dec 22 17:45
DaemonFC[m]> as USA law.Dec 22 18:24
DaemonFC[m]Get it in writing that you won't be prosecuted for anything you discuss.Dec 22 18:24
DaemonFC[m]You could also pull the I don't recall trick.Dec 22 18:26
DaemonFC[m]Hillary Clinton them.Dec 22 18:26
MinceRcheat on the primaries to help the opposing party's candidate win?Dec 22 18:30
schestowitzwe ought to contact the recycler... contact lundgrenDec 22 18:45
schestowitzI lost him email addressDec 22 18:46
schestowitzand his friend is no longer aroundDec 22 18:46
MinceR 22 19:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post objectDec 22 19:18
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Best Distribution of 2019 Goes to Ubuntu MATE 19.10 []Dec 22 19:26
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Stable kernels 5.4.6, 4.19.91, 4.14.160, 4.9.207 and 4.4.207 []Dec 22 19:26
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DaemonFC[m]I might just revert to Linux 5.3.10 until RC6 is working again.Dec 22 19:33
DaemonFC[m]Fucking Intel....Dec 22 19:33
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DaemonFC[m]Linux is going downhill.Dec 22 19:46
DaemonFC[m]Without RC6, you will never get good battery life because the CPU package can't power down even into PC2 (and there are 8 package sstates on this thing).Dec 22 19:46
schestowitzlinux the kerne;?Dec 22 19:47
schestowitzand if so, which branch?Dec 22 19:47
schestowitzit has gotten more solid over timeDec 22 19:47
schestowitzsystemd and other stuff is another matterDec 22 19:47
schestowitzand can be avoided with certain distrosDec 22 19:47
schestowitzsame for gnome3Dec 22 19:47
schestowitz> Yes, please.  Git seems to be the way to go.  There is at least oneDec 22 19:48
schestowitz> additional program which can read Git archives.Dec 22 19:48
schestowitzOn HV?Dec 22 19:48
schestowitzoopsDec 22 19:48
schestowitzwrong windowsDec 22 19:48
schestowitzkaniini: do you have experience setting up  gitlab on apline?Dec 22 19:49
schestowitzI search for info, that just leads me to containers 22 19:50
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | GitLab Docker images | GitLabDec 22 19:50
schestowitzwe have some site-related code we wish to host locallyDec 22 19:50
schestowitz"Caution: We do not officially support running on Docker for Windows. There are known issues with volume permissions, and potentially other unknown issues. If you are trying to run on Docker for Windows, please see our getting help page for links to community resources (IRC, forum, etc) to seek help from other users."Dec 22 19:50
schestowitzOh, DARNDec 22 19:50
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schestowitzkaniini: looks great and very tidy Dec 22 19:52
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | kaniini · GitLabDec 22 19:52
MinceR   ( )Dec 22 20:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-gently...gently - Album on ImgurDec 22 20:01
DaemonFC[m]Linux is getting very shitty indeed.Dec 22 20:14
DaemonFC[m]Here's what I said on Facebook.Dec 22 20:14
*DaemonFC[m] sent a long message: < >Dec 22 20:14
DaemonFC[m]To put this into perspective, what's going on with Intel lately would be like a car company putting out a car that gets 50 miles a gallon and a top speed of 200 miles an hour, and then when you buy it, they issue a software update that makes it get 10 miles a gallon and top out at 50, and then say no take backsies. Dec 22 20:16
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XRevan86schestowitz: I suspect they use 22 20:28
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-GitHub - alpinelinux/alpine-docker-gitlab: Gitlab docker image based on Alpine LinuxDec 22 20:28
XRevan86As Alpine has , but there's no package in the repository.Dec 22 20:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | alpine · GitLabDec 22 20:29
schestowitzI am tweaking iRC logs CSSDec 22 20:29
schestowitzfeedback welcomeDec 22 20:30
schestowitz 22 20:30
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | IRC: #techrights @ FreeNode: Saturday, December 21, 2019Dec 22 20:30
schestowitzforce flush the CSS cache if neededDec 22 20:30
schestowitzI am still able to editDec 22 20:30
schestowitzThis impacts like thousands of files... IRC logs.. in one fell swoopDec 22 20:30
XRevan86What is in the repository are gogs (as seen on ) and gitea (as seen on ).Dec 22 20:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/ Free code hostingDec 22 20:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Codeberg.orgDec 22 20:36
XRevan86schestowitz: Too many gradientsDec 22 20:44
schestowitzdoes it make things illegible?Dec 22 20:44
schestowitzare the fonts OK?Dec 22 20:45
schestowitzlarger, different family, etc?Dec 22 20:45
XRevan86schestowitz: Gradients here just make the log unpleasant to look at.Dec 22 20:46
XRevan86The fonts seem fine.Dec 22 20:46
XRevan86Timestamps are hardish to read.Dec 22 20:47
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-LLVM Clang Achieves ~96% The Performance Of GCC On Intel Ice Lake - PhoronixDec 22 20:49
DaemonFC[m]It's kind of interesting that where GCC wins, it tends to win big and on things people are likely to notice.Dec 22 20:49
schestowitzXRevan86: thanks, will tweakDec 22 20:50
DaemonFC[m]Also interesting, the libvpx performance is in GCC's favor where Intel's SVT encoders favor Clang.Dec 22 20:50
XRevan86> There are some cases where GCC 9's performance is winning by big margins  compared to Clang, but the more liberal compiler also had its share of  sizable wins too.Dec 22 20:51
XRevan86The what compiler?Dec 22 20:51
DaemonFC[m]It's a compiler that wants high taxes and free abortion.Dec 22 20:51
XRevan86Doesn't sound like AppleDec 22 20:51
DaemonFC[m]Not high taxes on themselves!Dec 22 20:52
DaemonFC[m]In true liberal fashion.Dec 22 20:52
XRevan86DaemonFC[m]: And free abortion only for themselves / their wives?Dec 22 20:53
DaemonFC[m]They locate in California, get themselves exempt from business taxation, and then force their engineers to live in $3,500 /month garages and use a compose bucket for a toilet. (Apple)Dec 22 20:53
DaemonFC[m]> DaemonFC: And free abortion only for themselves / their wives?Dec 22 20:53
DaemonFC[m]No, no, no. For the blacks, stupid!Dec 22 20:53
XRevan86DaemonFC[m]: Sounds like a nice deal.Dec 22 20:53
XRevan86If one is not ready to have a childDec 22 20:54
DaemonFC[m]California is an easy state to do business in because taxes are for the little people.Dec 22 20:54
XRevan86DaemonFC[m]: Sounds almost libertarianDec 22 20:55
DaemonFC[m]The Libertarian platform tends to include the FairTax, which would charge the same rate on all income no exemptions, so it would result in a substantial tax increase on the rich.Dec 22 20:56
DaemonFC[m]It would also not give people tax breaks for fucking and filling up the world, so it's environmentally friendly too.Dec 22 20:57
*XRevan86 went to read onDec 22 20:57
XRevan86> As defined in the proposed legislation, the tax rate is 23% for the first year.Dec 22 20:58
XRevan8623%!? That doesn't sound like something a real libertarian would digDec 22 20:58
XRevan86Unless now it's higherDec 22 20:58
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XRevan86 huhDec 22 21:02
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Distribution of the FairTax burden - WikipediaDec 22 21:02
XRevan86DaemonFC[m]: This is way above my head.Dec 22 21:03
DaemonFC[m]Errr, I'm tired.Dec 22 21:04
DaemonFC[m]The flat tax is what I meant to say.Dec 22 21:04
DaemonFC[m]A flat tax of 10.5% is one figure I heardDec 22 21:04
XRevan86> The FairTax proposal is regressive on income (using a cross-section time frame) and progressive on sales. Classical economic analysis indicates that the marginal propensity to consume (MPC) decreases as income increases. Households at the lower end of the income scale spend almost all their income, while households at the higher end are more likely to devote a portion of income to saving.Dec 22 21:04
DaemonFC[m]That's not really that much different than what a single person no kids working at Walmart pays now.Dec 22 21:05
DaemonFC[m]But some rich people deduct their way down to jsut a few percent under our current system by gaming it.Dec 22 21:05
DaemonFC[m]I think a flat tax would be much more fair. It's not fair that a guy with no kids working at McDonalds has to pay more taxes because someone who couldn't afford kids gets $1 million per child in tax cuts and welfare over 18 years.Dec 22 21:06
DaemonFC[m]Welfare is anything from free school lunches, to housing vouchers, to "free" high speed internet at home, food stamps, medicaid, public school, etc.Dec 22 21:06
XRevan86DaemonFC[m]: Well, that's easier. Flat taxation is bureaucratically simpler, but favours the rich as the richer one gets the less important a certain constant percentage gets.Dec 22 21:07
DaemonFC[m]"Free public school" is a pot that anyone with kids can dip into so it's very popular welfare.Dec 22 21:07
XRevan86DaemonFC[m]: Flat taxation != tax cuts for certain groupsDec 22 21:07
DaemonFC[m]At 10.5%, a person who makes a million dollars pays $105,000 in taxes.Dec 22 21:07
DaemonFC[m]While a person who makes $25,000 pays $2625.Dec 22 21:08
XRevan86DaemonFC[m]: Free public schools is an extremely important part of social justice, to ensure that everyone has a chance at education.Dec 22 21:08
DaemonFC[m]If you want to add a bit of progressivity so that people don't scream, you could say "Everyone gets a $1,000 rebate each year that goes up with inflation.".Dec 22 21:09
XRevan86unless there's some other instrument that ensures that even the most marginalised groups have a way to get educationDec 22 21:09
DaemonFC[m]Now the million dollar guy pays $104,000, and the $25,000 guy pays $1,625.Dec 22 21:09
XRevan86(marginalised in a way of money)Dec 22 21:09
DaemonFC[m]The problem with public schools is they have to take everyone, so they end up dealing with violent fuck ups who are just taking up space and going to prison when they grow up.Dec 22 21:10
DaemonFC[m]It's not conducive to learning.Dec 22 21:10
DaemonFC[m]I think people who have had kids without planning on it should have to take birth control pills each month down at the welfare office.Dec 22 21:11
DaemonFC[m]Once is a mistake, twice is a habit.Dec 22 21:11
schestowitzXRevan86: better now?Dec 22 21:12
XRevan86DaemonFC[m]: Um, education isn't just math drilling.Dec 22 21:12
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-TechrightsBot-tr/ | IRC: #techrights @ FreeNode: Saturday, December 21, 2019Dec 22 21:12
XRevan86schestowitz: I can't tell the difference.Dec 22 21:12
schestowitzforce css to flushDec 22 21:13
schestowitzif it works as it should "DEC" should be small capsDec 22 21:13
DaemonFC[m]Look, it's not cold to say "Hey, get a job and don't expect me to pay for your kids.". What we need to do is grow the economy and pass moral wage laws.Dec 22 21:14
DaemonFC[m]So that way there are actually opportunities for people.Dec 22 21:14
XRevan86schestowitz: It is.Dec 22 21:14
XRevan86DaemonFC[m]: Without public schools the only opportunity some people are going to get is dish washing.Dec 22 21:14
DaemonFC[m]Health care is one thing where I think we need to look into nationalizing it.Dec 22 21:14
DaemonFC[m]That doesn't mean free ride for everyone. Single payer just means single payer.Dec 22 21:15
DaemonFC[m]The insurance companies add no value and skim money for themselves, and they need to go away.Dec 22 21:15
XRevan86DaemonFC[m]: Something definitely has to be done.Dec 22 21:15
DaemonFC[m]They keep saying hey look, give us some more time and we'll "contain costs".Dec 22 21:16
*psydroid has no plans to move from Intel to AMD, but rather to ARM, RISC-V and POWERDec 22 21:17
DaemonFC[m]Well, GCC is currently very broken on POWER and POWER is expensive.Dec 22 21:18
DaemonFC[m]RISC-V...Where do you even get it?Dec 22 21:18
DaemonFC[m]Most affordable ARM systems need custom kernels and binary blobs.Dec 22 21:18
DaemonFC[m]GCC can't build MAME and Firefox's JIT javascript is currrently not working on POWER when you build it with GCC.Dec 22 21:18
XRevan86DaemonFC[m]: To an outside observer it looks like the US has more expensive healthcare with insurance than almost anywhere else without insurance, rendering the whole US insurance system a big scam.Dec 22 21:19
psydroidI'm running mainline everything on my ARM SBCDec 22 21:19
DaemonFC[m]I'm not even sure what other options are there for compiler on POWER.Dec 22 21:19
psydroidno blobs thereDec 22 21:19
DaemonFC[m]The Pinebook has blobs.Dec 22 21:19
DaemonFC[m]That's why it's running a "variant" of Debian 9.Dec 22 21:19
DaemonFC[m]By blob, I mean proprietary graphics drivers and stuff like that.Dec 22 21:20
DaemonFC[m]Not firmware, which most systems need.Dec 22 21:20
psydroidI'm running latest everything on my Orange Pi with Allwinner A64Dec 22 21:20
psydroideven the graphics driver is just limaDec 22 21:20
psydroidso what you are saying was true before, but now all support is upstreamDec 22 21:21
XRevan86DaemonFC[m]: Can MAME be built anywhere except x86_64?Dec 22 21:23
XRevan86 so many options, including ppc64el %)Dec 22 21:24
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Debian -- Details of package mame in sidDec 22 21:24
XRevan86Do I understand it right that "el" here is trolling?Dec 22 21:26
XRevan86endian-littleDec 22 21:26
psydroidyesDec 22 21:27
psydroidbe - elDec 22 21:27
DaemonFC[m]psydroid: So, I need a cheap reliable laptop for my husband that doesn't suck.Dec 22 21:28
XRevan86psydroid: At least it's not "en"Dec 22 21:28
DaemonFC[m]I don't care if it's x86 or not. Just needs to browse the web and run LibreOffice and stuff.Dec 22 21:28
XRevan86short for elttil-naidneDec 22 21:28
XRevan86* "ne", short for naidne-elttilDec 22 21:28
psydroidDaemonFC , that's fine and I agree that AMD is the obvious choice now for mainstream hardware and use casesDec 22 21:29
MinceRelttil reminds me of this >> 22 21:30
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XRevan86MinceR: Not a phonetical reversalDec 22 21:31
MinceR:)Dec 22 21:31
XRevan86chtib lttilDec 22 21:32
schestowitzXRevan86: try nowDec 22 21:33
DaemonFC[m]AMD at least provides an x86 platform that's cheaper and more reliable than Intel.Dec 22 21:35
DaemonFC[m]So that's not nothing.Dec 22 21:35
DaemonFC[m]Intel is nastier than ever lately. They are obviously putting bugs in their products so they can "fix" them later to disastrous results, and the implication is that your laptop is old and you need to buy another one. Because there's no other way to sell new hardware every few years. It's very crooked.Dec 22 21:36
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psydroidI don't want to participate in advancing a duopoly, that's why I've been venturing out to other architectures over the years. It started when I first got my hands on a Chinese Loongson desktop and later on I got other hardware as well. I still have my Intel laptops and I'll see what I'll get in the future, probably not Intel and only if necessary AMD.Dec 22 21:42
XRevan86schestowitz: What changed?Dec 22 21:44
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DaemonFC[m]I may use my Fedora COPR and just build new kernels where the default is to turn off all of the Intel workarounds, and enable RC6 again.Dec 22 21:51
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oiaohmDaemonFC[m]:  this does tick the reliable and cheap for light usage.   But somethings do sux.   There is for sure at least 1 design mistake like the inbuilt speaks suck and suck worse because the venting is pointing down instead of up.Dec 22 22:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Pinebook Pro Review: A $200 laptop that's only for cool people.Dec 22 22:23
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DaemonFC[m]> DaemonFC:  this does tick the reliable and cheap for light usage.   But somethings do sux.   There is for sure at least 1 design mistake like the inbuilt speaks suck and suck worse because the venting is pointing down instead of up.Dec 22 22:35
DaemonFC[m]Most name brand laptop do the speakers are underpowered and pointing down problem.Dec 22 22:35
DaemonFC[m]My Yoga 900 ISK2 does that.Dec 22 22:36
DaemonFC[m]And it was $1300.Dec 22 22:36
XRevan86kaniini: Hi, I've been remembering some stuff, and do I recall it right that Mastodon used to send private notices through OStatus and to everyone subscribed?Dec 22 22:36
oiaohmDaemonFC[m]: other problem is lack of a good heat spreader under the cpu.  so straight on desk or lap not exactly fun.Dec 22 22:40
oiaohmIe the case is the direct cpu heatsink/spreader.Dec 22 22:40
oiaohmSo you can really find out where the cpu is without opening it.Dec 22 22:41
kaniiniXRevan86: yes, via salmonsDec 22 22:41
DaemonFC[m]Well, Lenovo tried throttling the CPU while it was on your lap. Works in Windows.Dec 22 22:42
oiaohmHeat pipes fans other other spreading tech costs money,Dec 22 22:42
DaemonFC[m]When you put Linux on those systems, it just sticks it in low speed mode all the time.Dec 22 22:42
MinceRcrApple just tells you not to use your laptop in your lapDec 22 22:42
MinceR(while ads still show people using it in their lap)Dec 22 22:42
oiaohmMinceR: some models they go the step more into stupid by having a fake fan.Dec 22 22:43
oiaohmwith apple.Dec 22 22:43
oiaohmDaemonFC[m]: some of those lenovo ones when you check the cpu temp and compare against recommend intel temps Linux mode that is crippled to hell is running at correct temp and Windows mode the driver has told it to exceeed intel recommend temp for the cpu.Dec 22 22:45
oiaohmThat one of those cases why does the windows machine before better than Linux.  Bugger me.Dec 22 22:45
MinceRwhat could possibly go wrong?Dec 22 22:46
MinceRsounds like consumer crap lenovos thoughDec 22 22:46
DaemonFC[m]With Intel, who knows what this means?Dec 22 22:46
DaemonFC[m]Perhaps Intel recommended not to exceed a temp that they set too low on purpose.Dec 22 22:46
DaemonFC[m]That way when they don't exceed that temp on Linux, they Totally Aren't Sabotaging Linux.Dec 22 22:47
DaemonFC[m]Then again, from Lenovo's perspective, making their Windows laptop faster has two main results.Dec 22 22:47
DaemonFC[m]It gets it into your home....where it dies of heat just after the warranty ended and now you need a new laptop.Dec 22 22:48
DaemonFC[m]MinceR: So it really is who do you think is a bigger bucket of scum. Lenovo or Intel?Dec 22 22:48
DaemonFC[m]Hard to guess.Dec 22 22:48
MinceRyeahDec 22 22:48
MinceRi'd say intelDec 22 22:48
MinceRlenovo did that yoga with the ssd lying about what it wasDec 22 22:49
MinceRintel did uefi, boot guard, me...Dec 22 22:49
MinceRoh, and officially winblows-only cpusDec 22 22:49
MinceRand those ultra-shitty atoms with 32bit uefiDec 22 22:49
DaemonFC[m]They probably exceed the specified temperature on Windows because it's what it takes to overcome the fact that Windows is 20% slower than Linux, all things being equal.Dec 22 22:49
MinceRand the winblows user will just throw it out and buy a new one when the cpu turns into smoke?Dec 22 22:50
oiaohmWith intel they don't set the temp too low they.,   If you get a silicon from tsmc made at equivalent nm you get the same recommend max temp.Dec 22 22:50
DaemonFC[m]Oh, Windows is 20% slower? Well, we just overclock the processor 20% problem.Dec 22 22:50
DaemonFC[m]> and the winblows user will just throw it out and buy a new one when the cpu turns into smoke?Dec 22 22:51
DaemonFC[m]That is pretty much what happens. Yeah.Dec 22 22:51
oiaohmBasically there are physical things about silicon chips that define what temp you should run at if you want decent life.Dec 22 22:51
MinceRyeah, but tsmc isn't the one struggling to downscale their process :>Dec 22 22:51
DaemonFC[m]No, AMD beat Intel to 14 nm iirc.Dec 22 22:51
DaemonFC[m]Like, by a lot.Dec 22 22:51
oiaohmDaemonFC[m]: amd is using tsmc for 7nm.Dec 22 22:52
DaemonFC[m]Now Intel keeps saying they wanted 7 nm, and cant make it work 3 years late, and so they'll go to 10.Dec 22 22:52
oiaohmAmd could not go down to 7nm with everything 7nmDec 22 22:52
oiaohmThat why you have a 14nm io dia in the new chips.Dec 22 22:52
DaemonFC[m]It's getting to the point where they are struggling to make better laptops so they just downgrade the one you have with "security patches" or kill it entirely so you have to buy a new one.Dec 22 22:52
oiaohmoPPS sorry its 12nmDec 22 22:53
MinceRthe new one will be just as slow with the patches, thoughDec 22 22:53
oiaohmThere is a problem here.Dec 22 22:53
DaemonFC[m]Those ultra high end 32 core desktops can be slowed down 30% and you won't notice, but a laptop with 2'll notice.Dec 22 22:53
oiaohmThere is still 120nm made for power circuits.Dec 22 22:53
oiaohmin silicon.Dec 22 22:53
oiaohmsmaller nm you got to the less volatage you can push around simply.Dec 22 22:54
oiaohmSome how I think 7nm might not be able to handle enough volatage to dependably push across motherboard tracks.Dec 22 22:54
oiaohmvoltage/amperageDec 22 22:55
oiaohmIntel has been attempting to single chip there 10nm and 7nm chip efforts.    They have talked about going multi chip like amd recently.Dec 22 22:59
DaemonFC[m]Apparently, there's a part in the movie Mrs. Doubtfire that wakes up my phone as if I said OK Google in my voice.Dec 22 23:00
MinceR:)Dec 22 23:00
oiaohmIts been documented that that ok Google wakes up on a lot of things that is not Ok Google.Dec 22 23:01
XRevan86DaemonFC[m]: You have too much Google in your lifeDec 22 23:03
oiaohm  << you hear of this for a while now.Dec 22 23:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Do you guys get a lot of false activations? : googlehomeDec 22 23:04
oiaohmand you see instructions from google like reset device or replace device Dec 22 23:04
oiaohmDoes make me wonder if some devices are shipped out in mode to spy every so often even if no ok google is said.Dec 22 23:05
XRevan86oiaohm: Isn't listening for "ok, google" enough for that already?Dec 22 23:16
XRevan86Responding to "ok, google" technically isn't a special case.Dec 22 23:18
XRevan86Listen → parse → if got "ok, google", then activate interactivity → listen → parseDec 22 23:19
DaemonFC[m]AT&T is actually much worse than Sprint.Dec 22 23:27
DaemonFC[m]At least Sprint really is $45 a month and admits the iPhone is $46 a month instead of AT&T giving you a "free" one and a $150 bill that came from nowhere apparently.Dec 22 23:28
MinceRthe first parse probably happens on the device thoughDec 22 23:34
MinceRwhile the second happens on google's servers (and the nsa gets a copy)Dec 22 23:34
MinceRunless of course they just record a realtime feed all the time to the nsa servers...Dec 22 23:34
DaemonFC[m]Listening for ok google is on the device.Dec 22 23:40
DaemonFC[m]But Google stores everything that you say to it after that, forever.Dec 22 23:40
DaemonFC[m]I can get on there and play back things I said 7 years ago.Dec 22 23:40
MinceRwhich is why i don't use this "feature"Dec 22 23:52
MinceR 22 23:53
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-The NSA Is Coming to Town - YouTubeDec 22 23:53
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