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schestowitzMinceR: worth doing a post with this video?Aug 23 00:09
schestowitzit's not a large fileAug 23 00:09
MinceR¯\_(ツ)_/¯Aug 23 00:11
schestowitzis blender on github yet?Aug 23 00:12
schestowitzyuck 23 00:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Blender · GitHubAug 23 00:13
schestowitzhow long have they been on it?Aug 23 00:14
schestowitzanyone knows how to check?Aug 23 00:14
schestowitzaccount's age?Aug 23 00:14
schestowitzoldest changes I see are 6 months agoAug 23 00:15
schestowitz2016 23 00:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Python Is Moving From Mercurial To GitHub - PhoronixAug 23 00:17
schestowitztried many search along the lines of blender "changes to github"Aug 23 00:18
schestowitzcan't find anyAug 23 00:18
schestowitzthey got money from Microsof recrntlyAug 23 00:18
schestowitzthen Unity (Mono)Aug 23 00:18
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kingoffrance 23 01:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@tonroosendaal: Why was Blender not on @github? Simple: Github already accepted $350M (at least) from venture capitalists - who wan… 23 01:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@tonroosendaal: Why was Blender not on @github? Simple: Github already accepted $350M (at least) from venture capitalists - who wan… 23 01:05
kingoffranceseems they were avoiding it ...Aug 23 01:05
schestowitz 23 01:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@jlboul: @schestowitz Heard one national networking report apparently quoting Russian doctor who alleged said Mr. Navalny co… 23 01:07
schestowitz"Heard one national networking report apparently quoting Russian doctor who alleged said Mr. Navalny could have also suffered from low blood sugar possibly. I am not making this up."Aug 23 01:07
schestowitz 23 01:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@tonroosendaal: FYI: Blender has its code on and developer services on - we already… 23 01:08
schestowitz"FYI: Blender has its code on and developer services on - we already host our own services since 2002."Aug 23 01:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> git.blender.orgAug 23 01:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> | HomeAug 23 01:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@tonroosendaal: FYI: Blender has its code on and developer services on - we already… 23 01:08
schestowitzLet's check if it's still thereAug 23 01:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-git.blender.orgAug 23 01:08
schestowitz 23 01:09
schestowitzit is still being updated thereAug 23 01:09
schestowitzlet me check this corresponds to what's on github in terms of changesAug 23 01:09
schestowitzlast changes 2-4 weeks agoAug 23 01:10
kingoffranceOct 11 2019  is date of:    that reads like it tells github to close any issues because development happens elsewhere Aug 23 01:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | stale.yml · rBAug 23 01:10
kingoffrancei dunno if it went back and forth or what...Aug 23 01:10
schestowitznow Microsoft pays tjemAug 23 01:10
schestowitzand then unity (mono)Aug 23 01:11
schestowitz 23 01:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Turn Away From Microsoft Money (Influence for Sale) | TechrightsAug 23 01:11
schestowitzI wonder what strings are attached to this moneyAug 23 01:11
schestowitz 23 01:11
schestowitzsome updated hours agoAug 23 01:12
schestowitzor even minutesAug 23 01:12
kingoffrance  circa 2013 looks like they rejected such a mirrorAug 23 01:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | ⚓ T37592 Repository mirror on github and gitoriousAug 23 01:12
schestowitzso to be fair, for now it seems like they grasp selfhosting's importanceAug 23 01:12
schestowitzkingoffrance: thanks for finding itAug 23 01:12
schestowitzwe need to watch what happens nextAug 23 01:12
schestowitzMicrosoft has a history of bribing projects to defect to their shithub monopoltAug 23 01:13
schestowitz"helping" themAug 23 01:13
schestowitz 23 01:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Blender · GitHubAug 23 01:13
kingoffrance"I think so. When we moved to phabricator we had some requests about this but haven't seen anything since. Probably not worth the hassle of maintaining this and dealing with the fact that github doesn't let you disable pull requests, unless a very good reason comes up."  well at some point the mirror did happen i guess, but not that ticketAug 23 01:13
schestowitz"This is an official read-only mirror. "Aug 23 01:13
schestowitzI gope it says that wayAug 23 01:13
schestowitz"Official mirror of Blender "Aug 23 01:13
schestowitz"This is an official read-only mirror. "Aug 23 01:13
schestowitzsome do not say thisAug 23 01:13
schestowitzthe reposAug 23 01:13
schestowitzwe might want to check again in a number of monthsAug 23 01:14
schestowitzMicrosoft can say, 'we pay you, but you offend us"Aug 23 01:14
schestowitzand then push our people who resist the shithub prisonAug 23 01:14
schestowitzIssues discussed in their own domain 23 01:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/ - blender-studio.git/summaryAug 23 01:14
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: Some mirror LAME in github, but they still use CVS on Sourceforge.Aug 23 01:19
DaemonFC[m] 23 01:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Asteroid heading our way right before Election Day - CNNAug 23 01:22
DaemonFC[m]CNN desperate for news.Aug 23 01:22
DaemonFC[m]"6.5 feet in diameter"Aug 23 01:22
DaemonFC[m]LOLAug 23 01:22
schestowitzlolAug 23 01:34
schestowitzlike the Orange oneAug 23 01:34
schestowitzmaybe the aliens sent a "thetan-based" clone of TrumpAug 23 01:34
schestowitzwith "alien blood"Aug 23 01:34
schestowitzwe're getting more leaks wAug 23 01:37
schestowitz*nowAug 23 01:37
schestowitz> The "let's gang up on RMS" gangAug 23 01:37
schestowitzlet me think what and how I can present.....Aug 23 01:37
schestowitztechrights will have some important stories tomorrowAug 23 01:37
Narrator 23 01:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Alternative Math | Short Film - YouTubeAug 23 01:41
Narratorit's epic:)Aug 23 01:42
Narratorthis is geniusAug 23 01:43
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Narratori can tald that as a teacher in private schoolAug 23 01:47
MinceR 23 01:47
Narratorwell, don't worry Trump win;-)Aug 23 01:48
DaemonFC[m] 23 01:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Transocean Stock Crashes 28% on Bankruptcy Concerns | The Motley FoolAug 23 01:49
DaemonFC[m]:)Aug 23 01:49
DaemonFC[m]"In less than a decade, the offshore oil sector has destroyed enormous amounts of investor capital."Aug 23 01:51
kingoffrancethat was a real thing Narrator Aug 23 01:51
DaemonFC[m]Good.Aug 23 01:51
kingoffrancebecause 2x + 2x = ?    you see theres magical hidden "x"   "2 of what" .....which is great, but if you are doing this kind of magic, you need to make some rules, and mathmaticians will probably love you....but you have to formalize it, not just spring it on people randomly and pretend you are cleverAug 23 01:51
kingoffrance"2" alone is abstractAug 23 01:51
DaemonFC[m] 23 01:52
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Simon, Authentic Brands to buy bankrupt Lucky Brand for $140.1 millionAug 23 01:52
DaemonFC[m]Simon is buying its mall tenants while it's not clear that the mall is sustainable, period, and they skip their own mortgage payments.Aug 23 01:52
kingoffranceand thats why math is generally useful, because its abstractAug 23 01:52
kingoffranceso if you take that away...then it probably wont be as generally usefulAug 23 01:53
kingoffrancebut may be better at specific casesAug 23 01:53
DaemonFC[m] 23 01:53
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Why are companies battling to snatch up bankrupt retailers? They want your data.Aug 23 01:53
DaemonFC[m]Today I learned, that Pier 1 Imports had $31 million worth of "Intellectual Property".Aug 23 01:53
DaemonFC[m]And here I thought they just sold gaudy shit for "Marisol" to put on display in the foyer. Aug 23 01:54
DaemonFC[m]Such that it is.Aug 23 01:55
DaemonFC[m]Never really understood why ticky tacky suburb houses needed a room whose purpose was to waste space before you went into another room.Aug 23 01:55
kingoffrance   the foyer is where you keep the triforceAug 23 01:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Link's Yardsale - YouTubeAug 23 01:56
MinceR'2' + '2'Aug 23 01:56
MinceR= '22'Aug 23 01:56
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: #Mozilla ‘s Incredible Speech-To-Text Engine Is At Risk Following Layoffs []Aug 23 01:56
DaemonFC[m]"Customer data — including emails, addresses, purchase history, income, phone numbers — have become invaluable in the age of e-commerce, according to Toubassy. Market researchers sell databases full of customer demographic data in a particular market for millions of dollars, but those lists do not come with an existing relationship that may have taken decades for a retailer to nurture, he said."Aug 23 01:56
DaemonFC[m]In other words, they've been spying on you and that may be their only remaining asset in the bankruptcy sale.Aug 23 01:57
DaemonFC[m]I'd say that spending this sort of money for that kind of data is dicey though.Aug 23 01:58
DaemonFC[m]The recession has made many people unemployed. Many more took a big cut in income.Aug 23 01:58
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: #Android Leftovers []Aug 23 01:59
DaemonFC[m]"More than 90 percent of S&P 500 companies’ market value is in their intellectual property and what are called intangible assets, a reversal from roughly 25 years ago, according to a July report from the intellectual property advisory firm Ocean Tomo. That figure is likely to increase in a post-coronavirus world as more businesses slough off expensive real estate and burdensome leases and focus on furthering theirAug 23 02:00
DaemonFC[m]digital capacities through restructuring, the company said."Aug 23 02:00
DaemonFC[m]Horrifying.Aug 23 02:00
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: ^Aug 23 02:01
DaemonFC[m]90% of their value is decreed by law and a figment of someone's imagination.Aug 23 02:01
MinceRshe should have said "it's $20002000!"Aug 23 02:01
DaemonFC[m]No wonder they don't want people using cash.Aug 23 02:02
DaemonFC[m]If they're constantly selling the data they have on their customers, they're worth so much more than the credit card interchange fees.Aug 23 02:03
MinceR23 025152 < kingoffrance> "2" alone is abstractAug 23 02:04
MinceRwhat's the problem with that?Aug 23 02:04
Narratorif we start don;t use the cash the cash wil be cheap;-)Aug 23 02:05
schestowitz[02:01] <DaemonFC[m]> 90% of their value is decreed by law and a figment of someone's imagination.Aug 23 02:05
schestowitztold youAug 23 02:06
schestowitznow think of all those GAFAM giants that they tell us are worth like 10 trillionAug 23 02:06
schestowitzcut that by 90%Aug 23 02:06
schestowitzand you get roughly their real valueAug 23 02:06
schestowitz[02:05] <Narrator> if we start don;t use the cash the cash wil be cheap;-)Aug 23 02:07
MinceRi wonder how much of that 10% comes from state-enforced monopolies :>Aug 23 02:07
schestowitzwe always pay with cashAug 23 02:07
schestowitzso all those data grabs will not give much on usAug 23 02:07
schestowitzalso not carrying around location tracking boxen [sic]Aug 23 02:08
schestowitzbut...Aug 23 02:08
schestowitzInternet history is a tricky oneAug 23 02:08
schestowitzesp. for those who browser dodgy thingsAug 23 02:08
schestowitzlike pr0n sites that can be used for shaming/blackmailAug 23 02:08
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schestowitzMinceR: that's another angle an issueAug 23 02:08
MinceRmicroshit wouldn't be worth much if they couldn't enforce copyrights and the x86 cartel couldn't enforce patentsAug 23 02:08
schestowitzsee jEDIAug 23 02:08
schestowitzthat is borrowed moneyAug 23 02:08
schestowitztaxpayers will need to make up the diffAug 23 02:09
schestowitzausterity, estate sales..Aug 23 02:09
schestowitzgates knows msft might have its days numberedAug 23 02:09
schestowitzdefected to vaccine profiteering for nowAug 23 02:09
schestowitzthe sick manAug 23 02:09
schestowitzjust wanting more and more moneyAug 23 02:10
MinceRand more leverageAug 23 02:10
MinceRand more control over other people's livesAug 23 02:10
schestowitzThe only reason Corporate Media keeps giving a platform to squeaky-voiced Bill ("Bill thinks", "Bill says") despite lack of qualifications is that he bribes this media. He's neither articulate nor speaks many languages.Aug 23 02:10
schestowitzMinceR: war on cash, tooAug 23 02:10
schestowitzthey start with IndiaAug 23 02:10
schestowitzvaccines kicking off on black peopleAug 23 02:10
schestowitzhuman subjectsAug 23 02:10
schestowitz 23 02:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Human subject research - WikipediaAug 23 02:11
schestowitzthankfully more people now grasp thisAug 23 02:11
schestowitzand speak about it to one anotherAug 23 02:11
schestowitzand gates blocks all comments now, I heardAug 23 02:11
schestowitzand wants to ban talkingAug 23 02:11
schestowitz 23 02:11
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-TechrightsBot-tr/ | High-Level Criminals Associate Privacy With Crime Because They Want Privacy Only for Themselves (Control But No Accountability) | TechrightsAug 23 02:11
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DaemonFC[m] 23 02:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | 3 arrested after woman beaten, robbed in Lincoln Park | WGN-TVAug 23 02:13
DaemonFC[m]The news did not comment about the race of the three yoots.Aug 23 02:13
DaemonFC[m]But the woman they injured did decline medical debt.Aug 23 02:13
DaemonFC[m](My Cousin Vinny reference. Where Joe Pesci as the lawyer says yoots, and the judge goes " a yoot?")Aug 23 02:14
MinceR:>Aug 23 02:14
DaemonFC[m]I think my favorite part was where Pesci tells his girlfriend "The lady at the court just handed me the state's case. Can you believe that shit?".Aug 23 02:16
DaemonFC[m]She goes, "Yeah,, it's called discovery you moron! They have to give you everything they know!".Aug 23 02:17
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DaemonFC[m]Everything I paid for a legal defense and the fine and probation and whatnot went into the bankruptcy.Aug 23 02:18
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DaemonFC[m]I had outstanding medical bills from when Austin beat me up 10 days prior so while I was filling out my bankruptcy schedules, I added "Village of Fox Lake - Fire and Rescue" "Ambulance ride" "$1,200".Aug 23 02:19
DaemonFC[m]I got another one of those weird calls that came up all 000s today, they left a voicemail that was just noise.Aug 23 02:20
DaemonFC[m]I want one of the people I filed bankruptcy against to bother me about it again.Aug 23 02:21
DaemonFC[m]"Please fuck this up so I can destroy you."Aug 23 02:21
DaemonFC[m]MinceR: It would be funnier than hell if Fox Lake sent me another copy of the ambulance bill in the middle of this and got their village a $20,000 fine from the bankruptcy court.Aug 23 02:22
schestowitzso they give you medical billsAug 23 02:22
schestowitzfor pills that cause you a seizureAug 23 02:22
schestowitzthen you collapse in the showerAug 23 02:22
DaemonFC[m]Which they billed me for.Aug 23 02:22
schestowitzget rushed to ERAug 23 02:22
DaemonFC[m]Yes!Aug 23 02:22
DaemonFC[m]They did.Aug 23 02:22
schestowitzand forced to pay medical bills again, $3000Aug 23 02:22
schestowitzmedical garage saleAug 23 02:22
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: I threw the hospital debt from 2009, the seizures, in the bankruptcy.Aug 23 02:22
schestowitzbreak something, it comes back for moreAug 23 02:22
schestowitz 23 02:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | “Is curing patients a sustainable business model?” Goldman Sachs analysts ask | Ars TechnicaAug 23 02:23
DaemonFC[m]It came out to $12,500 from 3 hours in the ER, along with $550 that the ER doctor billed separately, and then about  $2,000 for an MRI.Aug 23 02:23
schestowitz 23 02:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Goldman Sachs asks in biotech research report: 'Is curing patients a sustainable business model?' : technologyAug 23 02:23
schestowitzlolAug 23 02:23
schestowitz2k for mri?Aug 23 02:23
DaemonFC[m]I had to file bankruptcy against 3 different places for that, and 3 separate collection agencies.Aug 23 02:23
schestowitzso they can pay for the equipment in like a few monthsAug 23 02:24
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: Yeah, total bankruptcy was about $100,000.Aug 23 02:24
schestowitzwowAug 23 02:24
schestowitzwhat a cartel surrounds you...Aug 23 02:24
schestowitzthey mine your dataAug 23 02:24
schestowitzthey steal your salaryAug 23 02:24
DaemonFC[m]About $20,000 was the Kia. About $45,000 was credit cards, I think.Aug 23 02:24
schestowitzlater they wonder why people riotAug 23 02:25
DaemonFC[m]The rest was an assortment of hospital bills, doctor bills, and like 5-6 apartment leases that I left owing money.Aug 23 02:25
DaemonFC[m]I been a bad boy.Aug 23 02:25
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: Yeah, the bankruptcy court ripped up about $100,000 of debt accumulated over 19 years.Aug 23 02:25
MinceRbad boys are popularAug 23 02:25
schestowitz[02:25] <DaemonFC[m]> I been a bad boy.Aug 23 02:26
schestowitzNow come meet RichAug 23 02:26
schestowitzRickAug 23 02:26
schestowitzand BillAug 23 02:26
schestowitzthe "good boy"Aug 23 02:26
schestowitzwho pillaged 150 nationsAug 23 02:26
DaemonFC[m]No thanks. I don't like getting peed on and I'm not 11 years old.Aug 23 02:26
DaemonFC[m]I don't think I'm their type.Aug 23 02:26
MinceR:>Aug 23 02:26
DaemonFC[m]I'm also not a dog or a chicken.Aug 23 02:26
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: Hey, why did Rick Jones cross the road?Aug 23 02:27
schestowitzwe need to see their court docsAug 23 02:27
DaemonFC[m]Because his dick was stuck in the chicken.Aug 23 02:27
schestowitzI doubt a foreigner can buy thoseAug 23 02:27
schestowitzit would trigger suspicionAug 23 02:27
MinceR:>Aug 23 02:27
schestowitzTBH:Aug 23 02:27
schestowitzI thought about it...Aug 23 02:27
MinceRWhy did the dead baby cross the road?Aug 23 02:27
schestowitzto attempt to expunge or alter COURT docsAug 23 02:27
schestowitzwould be riskyAug 23 02:27
MinceRBecause it was stapled to the chicken.Aug 23 02:27
schestowitzas someone might detect such effortsAug 23 02:27
schestowitzor worse, blow the whistleAug 23 02:27
schestowitzso the attempt itself can highlight another scandalAug 23 02:28
schestowitzor when you kill a witnessAug 23 02:28
schestowitzor attempt to bribeAug 23 02:28
schestowitzrisk of this attempt leaking outAug 23 02:28
schestowitzso best approach is distract, distract, distract, distract, distract...Aug 23 02:28
schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: they love animalsAug 23 02:29
schestowitzwho doesn't?Aug 23 02:29
schestowitzbut not in the bestiality senseAug 23 02:29
schestowitzthey also insist they love kidsAug 23 02:30
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: The Chicken Fucker episode of South Park.Aug 23 02:30
schestowitzmany "foundation" photo ops with kidsAug 23 02:30
DaemonFC[m]"Now kids, they prefer to be called chicken lovers!"Aug 23 02:30
schestowitzbill is micro and soft enough so you can't see boners :)Aug 23 02:30
schestowitzthe whole epstein investigation makes a new market for lawyersAug 23 02:31
schestowitzhigh-paid lawyersAug 23 02:31
DaemonFC[m]Yeah, Community made fun of that.Aug 23 02:31
MinceRwell, there are many people who won't even eat animalsAug 23 02:31
schestowitzall they need to say is, "my client... nothing something... absolurely false"Aug 23 02:31
schestowitzeven the 'royal' family becomes a "big client"Aug 23 02:31
DaemonFC[m]"Remember that time you got drunk and tried to order chalupas out of the police emergency call box on the toll road?"Aug 23 02:32
schestowitzMinceR: except microorganismsAug 23 02:32
DaemonFC[m]John Oliver: "And you convinced them that my only crime was loving America!"Aug 23 02:32
schestowitz 23 02:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@simsy1977: @DeanParise Yeah I know his foundation seems to be funding everything at the moment almost so they can control the official narrativeAug 23 02:34
schestowitz"Yeah I know his foundation seems to be funding everything at the moment almost so they can control the official narrative"Aug 23 02:34
kingoffrancethere was an old chase bank IIRC basically saying u.s. is an oligarchy, so heres how you should investAug 23 02:34
schestowitz 23 02:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@DeanParise: @simsy1977 Yes. He funds the media, WHO, pharma companies and health officials. It is up to the citizen investigat… 23 02:34
schestowitz"Yes. He funds the media, WHO, pharma companies and health officials.  It is up to the citizen investigative journalists to expose this because Gates is trying to make himself bulletproof..."Aug 23 02:34
kingoffrancedont have a link handy, sorry.   it was an internal docAug 23 02:34
kingoffrance2000s-201x-ishAug 23 02:34
DaemonFC[m]The US can defund the WHO and it will hurt them pretty bad.Aug 23 02:35
DaemonFC[m]It doesn't count as an impoundment as long as the president spends it on some sort of international organization because it's not earmarked specifically for the WHO.Aug 23 02:35
DaemonFC[m]If we skip our second payment this year, they'll be down 11% of their total budget and if we skip all of next year, they'll be down 22%.Aug 23 02:36
kingoffranceso that goldman sachs thing is basically what they were already saying perhapsAug 23 02:36
DaemonFC[m]I really don't see how in the fuck we should be paying $1 billion to something so useless during a national crisis where they flat out lied to us and claim to still know nothing about the virus.Aug 23 02:36
DaemonFC[m]If those fags and other assorted idiots in Europe want to help China fund it, let em.Aug 23 02:37
DaemonFC[m]I'm sure their assessment of $2 billion a year until Putin invades the EU will be well spent.Aug 23 02:37
MinceRwhy, can't red china pay the WHO in uhmerica's place?Aug 23 02:37
DaemonFC[m]They can!Aug 23 02:38
DaemonFC[m]Let them have it.Aug 23 02:38
DaemonFC[m]We absolutely should not give them money and let them pretend it's anything but a Chinese Communist Party mouth piece.Aug 23 02:38
DaemonFC[m]Nobody really likes the United Nations.Aug 23 02:38
DaemonFC[m]The only thing that they're good for is accumulating parking tickets and raping people in NYC and claiming they're diplomats.Aug 23 02:39
DaemonFC[m]Defund the entire UN!Aug 23 02:39
MinceRsecondedAug 23 02:39
DaemonFC[m]Again, not our circus, not our monkeys.Aug 23 02:39
MinceRlet the fucking WIPO dieAug 23 02:39
DaemonFC[m]The US isn't getting anything from the UN. The Security Council is even broken beyond repair. Aug 23 02:40
DaemonFC[m]You can't introduce anything and not have someone veto it.Aug 23 02:40
DaemonFC[m]The UK even walked out on us recently. Aug 23 02:41
DaemonFC[m]You know, the people who were glad to throw their lives and money away in Iraq and Afghanistan so they could have some member berries regarding Colonialism.Aug 23 02:42
DaemonFC[m]The UK has been even more of a tragicomedy this century so far than the United States has.Aug 23 02:43
MinceRmember berries?Aug 23 02:43
DaemonFC[m]South Park reference. They're these berries that remind people of things they used to like or when things were better for them.Aug 23 02:45
DaemonFC[m]They have a fondness for Star Wars.Aug 23 02:45
DaemonFC[m]They're the reason everyone decided to vote for Mr. Garrison for president. Aug 23 02:45
DaemonFC[m]Even though he'd say crazy things and his policy for immigrants was to literally fuck them all to death.Aug 23 02:45
MinceR:>Aug 23 02:45
kingoffrancei thought the schnapps was pretty funnyAug 23 02:46
DaemonFC[m]During the campaign he realized that he was totally out of his league and tried to tell people "I will fuck your country up beyond repair. Vote for her. She at least has some experience. Trust me, she's not as bad as you think.".Aug 23 02:46
DaemonFC[m]She says, "My opponent is a liar and cannot be trusted." over and over.Aug 23 02:47
DaemonFC[m]He's like "Oh fuck, oh fuck, why did it have to be her?".Aug 23 02:47
DaemonFC[m] 23 02:48
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Commission rejects Trump camp’s request to help broker a fourth debate with Biden - POLITICOAug 23 02:48
DaemonFC[m]Trump is trying to get more debates, but the commission says no.Aug 23 02:48
DaemonFC[m]Generally, the candidate who is losing wants more debates.Aug 23 02:48
DaemonFC[m]Well, Biden is 10 points ahead in the national poll averages.Aug 23 02:49
DaemonFC[m]If you're up 10 points generally you don't want more debates because the only place to go from there is down.Aug 23 02:49
DaemonFC[m]Hillary Clinton was only up by like 3.5 points in late August.Aug 23 02:50
DaemonFC[m]And even that evaporated by election day, mostly because there were 10% that said undecided and many broke for Trump.Aug 23 02:50
DaemonFC[m]Now there's only 4% that say undecided and even if you gave them all to Trump, Biden's lead would still be about 6 points, at least nationally.Aug 23 02:51
DaemonFC[m]Everyone knows what they think about Trump, one way or the other.Aug 23 02:51
DaemonFC[m]If he had it his way he'd try moving the election up, I think.Aug 23 02:51
DaemonFC[m]Because the longer it goes on, the more of his voters are dying of the virus and the less he can do to try to shore things up so it all falls apart after the vote.Aug 23 02:52
DaemonFC[m]1,000+ Americans dying per day on average still.Aug 23 02:52
DaemonFC[m]33 more days before you can early vote in Illinois, 63 days until it starts in Florida.Aug 23 02:53
DaemonFC[m]In the mean time, you know, this thing is killing lots and lots of old people and it's putting the ones who haven't had it yet in a very bad mood.Aug 23 02:54
DaemonFC[m]So Biden's lead in Florida has gone from 1 point to 8 points on average in the last 4 months.Aug 23 02:54
DaemonFC[m]You know, the whole network thing.Aug 23 02:55
DaemonFC[m]They're afraid to leave the house, it's killing them, it's putting them in the hospital.Aug 23 02:55
DaemonFC[m]Almost all of them at least know someone else that got it. They blame Trump, mostly.Aug 23 02:55
DaemonFC[m]I think if anything we might be seeing some of them insist that they'll vote for Trump and then go in the polling booth and who know what they did.Aug 23 02:56
DaemonFC[m]They can go "Damned liberals!" and Trump will be gone and they can go on forever insisting on how they were right about Trump.Aug 23 02:56
DaemonFC[m]We know it's killing more people in Florida than the state will ever admit.Aug 23 02:57
DaemonFC[m]It doesn't even want to know.Aug 23 02:57
DaemonFC[m]Republican voters are dumb and so are their leaders. The Trump administration had a report that leaked out saying they didn't plan to do anything about the virus because they figured it would stay in "Democrat cities".Aug 23 02:59
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DaemonFC[m]Walmart gave everyone a bonus and then cut their hours.Aug 23 04:25
DaemonFC[m]That hasn't changed.Aug 23 04:26
DaemonFC[m]If you get something, they take it away.Aug 23 04:26
DaemonFC[m]MinceR: I'm changing the cats over from the Iams orange bag to the blue bag.Aug 23 04:29
DaemonFC[m]Says it controls hairballs better.Aug 23 04:29
DaemonFC[m]Same price, still chicken and chicken byproduct as the first two ingredients. Aug 23 04:30
DaemonFC[m]They've never really been picky. I had to change both of them over to a bag of Rachel Ray cat food for a while because the food pantry got some in and said you could have it if you had cats. I wasn't going to turn up 16 pounds of free cat food.Aug 23 04:31
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: I don't know what all the hubbub is about all these "premium brand" retailers going under.Aug 23 04:32
MinceR:>Aug 23 04:32
DaemonFC[m]I got a half a dozen nice shirts on clearance at the Walmart for $5 each. (was $8.82)Aug 23 04:32
DaemonFC[m]I just wait for everything to go on clearance. I'm not a snob. Aug 23 04:33
DaemonFC[m]Eventually everything does go on clearance.Aug 23 04:33
DaemonFC[m]If they last a few years before there's holes in them that's as good as a similar shirt from the mall that costs $15 because you're at the mall.Aug 23 04:34
DaemonFC[m]It's a stupid tax, is what it is.Aug 23 04:34
DaemonFC[m]I get pajama pants when they say like $7, was $12.Aug 23 04:35
DaemonFC[m]I get new shoes at the bargains in a box. They have a mistake on them somewhere, but how often do you look at a person's shoes?Aug 23 04:35
DaemonFC[m]$6.99 for a pairAug 23 04:36
DaemonFC[m]Paying a lot of money for clothes is dumb. You can save money and still not look like an idiot. Aug 23 04:36
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schestowitz[04:33] <DaemonFC[m]> Eventually everything does go on clearance.Aug 23 05:47
schestowitzyes, we took advantage of someAug 23 05:47
schestowitzthose "premium" department stores are ghost towns even with sales onAug 23 05:48
schestowitzoccasionally you find 70% off on things, sometimes even lowerAug 23 05:48
DaemonFC[m]So they say.Aug 23 05:48
DaemonFC[m]Since everything in those stores is always on sale....Aug 23 05:48
schestowitzthey lie a lotAug 23 05:48
schestowitzthey mark it downAug 23 05:48
schestowitzand mention high% numbersAug 23 05:49
schestowitzbut occasionally you do find dirt cheap things, such as "premium" for "normal" priceAug 23 05:49
DaemonFC[m]I used to shop at Sears for all my clothes.Aug 23 05:49
DaemonFC[m]Then I realized that Walmart was cheaper and the stuff lasted just as long.Aug 23 05:49
schestowitzeither way, it's not worth the time unless you enjoy the shopping ambiance of whatnotAug 23 05:49
schestowitz*orAug 23 05:49
DaemonFC[m]Yeah, there's not much of that at Walmart.Aug 23 05:50
DaemonFC[m]The low prices are the attraction. No fake sales.Aug 23 05:50
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schestowitzbut enough about fashionAug 23 05:50
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DaemonFC[m]Eddie Lampert thought he was going to run Sears as a tech company and JC Penney tried to do it too.Aug 23 05:51
DaemonFC[m]They did this stupid rewards program at Sears and KMart on the way out and I suppose that's one of those bankruptcy assets now.Aug 23 05:51
schestowitz[02:39] <MinceR> let the fucking WIPO dieAug 23 05:51
schestowitzSome people in WIPO dieAug 23 05:52
schestowitzThe good peopleAug 23 05:52
schestowitzsuicidesAug 23 05:52
DaemonFC[m] 23 05:52
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schestowitzI was going to remark on the biden debate thing...Aug 23 05:53
schestowitzbut again, that's politicsAug 23 05:53
schestowitzpure politicsAug 23 05:53
schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: I have some leaks... no, no urine/pissAug 23 05:53
schestowitzdocuments about FOSSAug 23 05:53
schestowitzwe can work on them now, I'm going to be aware for agesAug 23 05:53
schestowitzwanna see ganging up on RMS?Aug 23 05:54
DaemonFC[m]Well, schestowitz, it goes along with the saying.Aug 23 05:54
DaemonFC[m]If you're explaining yourself, it means you're losing.Aug 23 05:54
DaemonFC[m]Trump feels he needs to explain himself and wants more debates.Aug 23 05:54
schestowitzwhateverAug 23 05:54
schestowitzBiden won't cure the countryAug 23 05:54
DaemonFC[m]It won't be a good explanation, but he thinks it will be.Aug 23 05:54
schestowitzit can limit damage a little longerAug 23 05:55
schestowitzBush already did drastic damageAug 23 05:55
schestowitzthd debt is HUGEAug 23 05:55
DaemonFC[m]Biden is going to have his hands full for the first couple of years.Aug 23 05:55
schestowitzthe debt of the whole UK is less than 10% the US debtAug 23 05:55
DaemonFC[m]Just sending Trump's executive orders through the shredder.Aug 23 05:55
schestowitzwe passes 2 trillion pounds this past weekAug 23 05:56
DaemonFC[m]With how many people?Aug 23 05:56
schestowitzafter all the stimulus to workers temporarily down and all that business aidAug 23 05:56
schestowitz68 millionAug 23 05:56
DaemonFC[m]What does it work out in balance?Aug 23 05:56
schestowitzUK: 2.6 trillion dollarsAug 23 05:57
schestowitzUS: 27 for 331mAug 23 05:57
DaemonFC[m]Yeah, but taxes are higher too.Aug 23 05:57
schestowitzI worried when it was 12Aug 23 05:57
DaemonFC[m]Right?Aug 23 05:57
schestowitzafter the major warsAug 23 05:57
schestowitzit was already huge per capitaAug 23 05:57
DaemonFC[m]I mean, we hardly pay taxes at our income level. Payroll mostly at this point.Aug 23 05:57
schestowitzby that time's currencyAug 23 05:57
schestowitzyou don't get free access to healthcare at any level, eitherAug 23 05:58
schestowitzwe still have NHSAug 23 05:58
DaemonFC[m]Sure you do. Walk away from it. LOLAug 23 05:58
schestowitzrianne and I both workAug 23 05:58
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: We're at just under the income level where they can garnish you for it. Aug 23 05:59
DaemonFC[m]But that can change and judgments can go on for up to 27 years in some cases.Aug 23 05:59
DaemonFC[m]So I filed bankruptcy so I never had to worry about it again.Aug 23 05:59
schestowitzBTW, I am not saying we in the UK are fine financially as a country...Aug 23 05:59
schestowitzit has long not been the caseAug 23 05:59
schestowitzbut except maybe  Greece you cannot find a country worse off than USAug 23 06:00
DaemonFC[m]If I waited several years and just hid all the money from the creditors and filed anyway, then it would just be that many more years until I could file bankruptcy again if I had to.Aug 23 06:00
schestowitzwhich is practically sold to its own "oligarchs"Aug 23 06:00
DaemonFC[m]The clock is ticking, so I'll just try to avoid expensive medical debt until the clock runs out.Aug 23 06:00
schestowitzwho call themselves philanthropists Aug 23 06:00
DaemonFC[m]<schestowitz "who call themselves philanthropi"> So does Bill Gates.Aug 23 06:01
schestowitzlet me ask you thisAug 23 06:01
DaemonFC[m]Why doesn't he donate $50 billion to the SNAP program or something?Aug 23 06:01
schestowitzas I know many countries disallow personal bankruptciesAug 23 06:01
DaemonFC[m]He'd still have $50 billion. Right? :)Aug 23 06:01
schestowitzwhat happens to lenders and borrowers?Aug 23 06:01
DaemonFC[m]It would be very philanthropic of him.Aug 23 06:01
schestowitzif millions qualify for bankruptcyAug 23 06:01
schestowitzand if the lender gave out more than she/he hadAug 23 06:01
schestowitzthen the lender itself can go under, tooAug 23 06:02
DaemonFC[m]<schestowitz "what happens to lenders and borr"> Well, they have no recourse to collect the debt. It's invalidated by order of a federal court.Aug 23 06:02
schestowitzhow does that work?Aug 23 06:02
schestowitz[06:01] <DaemonFC[m]> Why doesn't he donate $50 billion to the SNAP program or something?Aug 23 06:02
DaemonFC[m]They can file bankruptcy too and liquidate I guess.Aug 23 06:02
schestowitzno "returns" on itAug 23 06:02
schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: watch the video here: 23 06:02
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DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: Mom asked what I'd do with a billion dollars.Aug 23 06:02
schestowitzbill speaks of vaccination like it's a Windows licence or somethingAug 23 06:02
DaemonFC[m]I told her give most of it away and just find a nice quiet place to live out my life in comfort.Aug 23 06:03
schestowitzno, tell her thisAug 23 06:03
schestowitzas I would:Aug 23 06:03
schestowitz"it would not happen"Aug 23 06:03
schestowitz"because I am not greedy enough to pursue such money in the first place"Aug 23 06:03
schestowitz"because those amounts of money are of no practical use"Aug 23 06:03
schestowitz"unless I am sick in the head with God complex"Aug 23 06:04
schestowitzsome of the people who realise they will die with this moneyAug 23 06:04
schestowitzand that all it gets them is $1000 forks and spoonsAug 23 06:04
schestowitzthen start fulfilling weird sexual fetishesAug 23 06:04
schestowitzand hang out with a bunch of other sick-in-the-head weirdosAug 23 06:05
DaemonFC[m]You think that's how Rick Jones and Jeff Epstein came into the picture?Aug 23 06:05
schestowitzso their recourses become as insane as themselvesAug 23 06:05
schestowitzremember most people (not zuckerberg) become this rich only later in their livesAug 23 06:05
schestowitzwith wrinkles, health issues etc.Aug 23 06:05
schestowitzcan't even runAug 23 06:06
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schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: it is not impossibleAug 23 06:06
schestowitzwhich is why I keep urging you to dig those court docsAug 23 06:06
schestowitzhe has a dripping mouthAug 23 06:06
schestowitzdrooling out stupid wordsAug 23 06:06
DaemonFC[m]$100 billionAug 23 06:06
DaemonFC[m]What WOULD you even do with that?Aug 23 06:06
schestowitzyou can say he's dumb enough to admit things he ought notAug 23 06:07
schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: to impress even richer peopleAug 23 06:07
schestowitzunless you are "number one" among your classAug 23 06:07
DaemonFC[m]That's 100,000 times more than anything I'd ever want to do would cost if I was 18 again.Aug 23 06:07
schestowitz100 thousand is enough for most things, food, health, basic needs, computers...Aug 23 06:07
schestowitzbeing able to do this a million times over as a single human being can be confusingAug 23 06:08
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: I just bittorrent whatever I want to watch or read.Aug 23 06:08
schestowitzyou start collecting planesAug 23 06:08
DaemonFC[m]People pay $20 to read a book? LOLAug 23 06:08
schestowitzwhich you cannot even use fast enough to get your money's worthAug 23 06:08
DaemonFC[m]A philanthropist would never have $100 billion because it's obscene.Aug 23 06:09
schestowitzlol 23 06:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-IBM, Microsoft staff rally to remove racially insensitive language from products | ZDNetAug 23 06:09
schestowitzbecause they love moneyAug 23 06:09
schestowitzand won't depart from itAug 23 06:09
DaemonFC[m]People are starving and you have $100 billion and instead of helping, you just pay CNN and NPR to say good things about you while you rip more people off.Aug 23 06:09
schestowitzunless it helps them make more of itAug 23 06:09
schestowitzI ... think ...Aug 23 06:10
schestowitzI won't even link to this zdnet BSAug 23 06:10
schestowitzno value on itAug 23 06:10
schestowitz*in itAug 23 06:10
DaemonFC[m]I mean if $100 billion landed on me and that was possible, I'd donate like 99.99% of it away immediately.Aug 23 06:10
DaemonFC[m]Buy a nice cabin on the lake somewhere.Aug 23 06:10
schestowitzwe agreeAug 23 06:10
schestowitzlet's move onAug 23 06:10
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schestowitzI want to do the piece on osi and fsfeAug 23 06:10
schestowitzI could use your helpAug 23 06:10
DaemonFC[m]I thought the FSFE might be less of a disaster than the FSF.Aug 23 06:11
schestowitznoAug 23 06:11
schestowitzit's more.. "practical"Aug 23 06:11
schestowitzas in... pro-monopolistsAug 23 06:11
schestowitzit takes money from MicrosoftAug 23 06:11
schestowitz(also Google etc.)Aug 23 06:11
schestowitzand I have something to showAug 23 06:11
DaemonFC[m]Microsoft is like those brain worms from the Wrath of Khan that burrow into the ear and make you do things.Aug 23 06:11
DaemonFC[m]People think "Oh that's the FSF. They're authoritative!" and it's really a sockpuppet now. Aug 23 06:11
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schestowitzworse in this caseAug 23 06:12
schestowitzfsfsla is okAug 23 06:12
schestowitzfor all I knowAug 23 06:12
DaemonFC[m]Ah, it was FSFLA that did the kernel deblobber.Aug 23 06:12
schestowitznot aware of self-made scandalsAug 23 06:12
schestowitzyes, it's alexAug 23 06:12
schestowitzhe's a good guyAug 23 06:13
schestowitznot everyone agrees with me on himAug 23 06:13
schestowitzbut he and I have long thought alikeAug 23 06:13
schestowitzlet me show you the raw emailAug 23 06:13
DaemonFC[m]I fixed up the wording of the Linux-Libre article on Wikipedia.Aug 23 06:14
DaemonFC[m]Some time ago.Aug 23 06:14
schestowitzthere are two mailsAug 23 06:15
schestowitzFwd: Joint Statement about "Free Software and Open Source Software"Aug 23 06:15
schestowitzThe "let's gang up on RMS" gangAug 23 06:15
schestowitz======Aug 23 06:15
schestowitz-------- Forwarded Message --------Aug 23 06:15
schestowitzSubject: Joint Statement about "Free Software and Open Source Software"Aug 23 06:15
schestowitzDate: Mon, 11 Dec 2017 15:55:17 +0100Aug 23 06:15
schestowitzFrom: Matthias Kirschner <>Aug 23 06:15
schestowitzTo: team@lists.fsfe.orgAug 23 06:15
schestowitzHello all,Aug 23 06:15
schestowitzafter a discussion on the legal network mailing list, which resulted inAug 23 06:15
schestowitzmy blog postAug 23 06:15
schestowitz 23 06:15
schestowitzand then in longer discussions onAug 23 06:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Matthias Kirschner's Web log • The 2% discussion - "Free Software" or "Open Source Software"Aug 23 06:16
schestowitz 23 06:16
schestowitzand individual follow-up, Simon Phipps and I had the idea to use theAug 23 06:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | LWN article on Limux / WiMue and PMPCAug 23 06:16
schestowitzupcmming 20th anniversary of the term "Open Source" on 9 February 2018Aug 23 06:16
schestowitzfor a joint statement.Aug 23 06:16
schestowitzWe would clarify for newcomers that it is the same software. EncourageAug 23 06:16
schestowitzeverybody to work with others although they might use anotherAug 23 06:16
schestowitzterminology. Show them that even organisations which use different termsAug 23 06:16
schestowitzcan work together. Simon is positive that he gets support by others inAug 23 06:16
schestowitzOSI about that, and I thought that we will also agree on this, as it itAug 23 06:16
schestowitzwill be mainly a repetition of our official statement:Aug 23 06:16
schestowitz (we might addAug 23 06:16
schestowitzsome arguments from my blog post above + parts of Simon's articles:Aug 23 06:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Free Software, Open Source, FOSS, FLOSS - same same but different - FSFEAug 23 06:16
schestowitz 23 06:16
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schestowitz ).Aug 23 06:16
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schestowitzI would continue to discuss that idea with Simon Phipps so we could getAug 23 06:16
schestowitzsuch a statement ready in time, and get other organisations on board,Aug 23 06:16
schestowitztoo. I'll share any text drafts here before.Aug 23 06:16
schestowitzBest Regards,Aug 23 06:16
schestowitzMatthiasAug 23 06:16
schestowitz====Aug 23 06:16
schestowitzI think we should publish this firstAug 23 06:16
schestowitzyou will see why in a secondAug 23 06:16
schestowitzLeak: FSFE and OSI Coordinate Rubbing Off Free Software by Saying “Open Source” is the Same (It's Not, Same False Argument From 20 Years Earlier)Aug 23 06:18
schestowitzhow's that for a headlineAug 23 06:18
schestowitz?Aug 23 06:18
DaemonFC[m]For most practical purposes, Free and Open Source mean the same thing, but Open Source doesn't emphasize in making sure it stays available under the same terms.Aug 23 06:18
DaemonFC[m]So any changes made under a proprietary license are simply useless to everyone else and lost forever if it gets discontinued.Aug 23 06:18
DaemonFC[m]It can also be turned against the user in all sorts of horrible and twisted ways, like Apple did to create macOS and iOS.Aug 23 06:19
schestowitzyupAug 23 06:19
schestowitzgo on..Aug 23 06:19
schestowitzI want more opinions on thisAug 23 06:19
schestowitzmonths after the trademark dispute (FSF demanding that FSFE stops misusing the "FSF" name)Aug 23 06:20
DaemonFC[m]The FSF used to say if it's trivial, as in <150 lines of code, or implements something that is an open specification that we're trying to encourage adoption of, or there's already lots of proprietary implementations out there, sometimes a more permissive license does more good than harm.Aug 23 06:21
kingoffrance"Show them that even organisations which use different terms can work together"   yeah they do seem purposely trying to muddy the watersAug 23 06:23
DaemonFC[m]I agree.Aug 23 06:23
kingoffrancei call it hegelian brainwashing, or hermetic mergers for purposes of deception, not limited to sw licensesAug 23 06:23
kingoffrancei think its used for many many many thingsAug 23 06:23
DaemonFC[m]Permissive licenses harm the Free Software Movement in general, although sometimes that harm is outweighed by the benefit of solving a bigger problem.Aug 23 06:23
DaemonFC[m]If Microsoft swallows FLAC and Opus and AV1, more people will use it.Aug 23 06:24
DaemonFC[m]That helps us if they grab it and use it.Aug 23 06:24
kingoffrancehis "different terms" strikes me as disingenuous, i.e. trying to convince people different terms are actually the sameAug 23 06:26
DaemonFC[m]In general, just giving them software to pick over that would make Windows or Office or Azure work better sets us back.Aug 23 06:26
kingoffranceppl might think im too harsh, but to me, theres no other word except attempted brainwashingAug 23 06:26
kingoffrancealso known as EEE of courseAug 23 06:27
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: Higan moved to Github.Aug 23 06:27
DaemonFC[m]:(Aug 23 06:27
kingoffranceembrace a word, extends its meaning to what you want it to mean, extinguish the original definitionAug 23 06:27
kingoffrancedestroy by "merging" with something of different meaningAug 23 06:27
kingoffrancei guess, it annoys me to no end, becaues whether you are pro or against something, when the waters are muddied, its difficult to even have a convo. after things get warpedAug 23 06:29
kingoffranceif successful, it means future ppl are both just attacking or praising straw men basicallyAug 23 06:29
kingoffranceit destroys any possible debateAug 23 06:30
schestowitzthanksAug 23 06:37
schestowitzI will rephrae a bitAug 23 06:37
schestowitzwill be ready soonAug 23 06:37
schestowitzfor your approvalAug 23 06:37
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schestowitzgive me 5 minutesAug 23 06:42
schestowitzto tighten loose endsAug 23 06:42
schestowitzsome introAug 23 06:42
schestowitzthen we can do the next leakAug 23 06:42
schestowitzkingoffrance: DaemonFC[m]: have a look, I quoted you both 23 06:52
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schestowitzso it's the opinion/s of 3 peopleAug 23 06:53
schestowitzwhich gives a broader spectrum of viewsAug 23 06:53
schestowitzahead of publicationAug 23 06:53
schestowitzcheck englishAug 23 06:53
schestowitzI am sure there are mistakes thereAug 23 06:53
DaemonFC[m]"not too longer"Aug 23 06:58
DaemonFC[m]longAug 23 06:58
DaemonFC[m]"Ben) said they they"Aug 23 06:58
DaemonFC[m]that theyAug 23 06:58
schestowitzright, fixedAug 23 06:58
DaemonFC[m]"convince people different terms"Aug 23 07:00
DaemonFC[m]convince people that Aug 23 07:00
DaemonFC[m]Oh, that's in a quoteAug 23 07:00
DaemonFC[m]Looks good.Aug 23 07:02
DaemonFC[m]Richard Stallman has had some highly unorthodox ideas about young teenagers being able to consent to sex.Aug 23 07:02
schestowitzI will add in []Aug 23 07:02
schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: I knowAug 23 07:03
schestowitzbut he never abused kidsAug 23 07:03
DaemonFC[m]With each other perhaps, but with older people? Society rightly frowns on that.Aug 23 07:03
schestowitzit's some gnu volunteer brainwashing RMSAug 23 07:03
schestowitzand then RMS linking to his thingsAug 23 07:03
schestowitzwith that Dutch pedo partyAug 23 07:03
schestowitzI am never defending that Aug 23 07:04
schestowitzbut RMS did a lot less bad then Gates visiting Epstein in prisonAug 23 07:04
schestowitzI have all sorts of possible theoriesAug 23 07:04
schestowitzthey say Gary Little (high-profile pedo judge from Seattle area) knew Gates Sr.Aug 23 07:04
DaemonFC[m]Wait? Gates VISITED Epstein in prison?Aug 23 07:04
schestowitzand their paths may have crossedAug 23 07:04
DaemonFC[m]Like, he's on the visitor log?Aug 23 07:04
schestowitzit's not impossible that Gates was even looking to cover up for somebody elseAug 23 07:05
schestowitzbut we don't knowAug 23 07:05
schestowitzwe need to digAug 23 07:05
DaemonFC[m].....and nobody talks about it?Aug 23 07:05
schestowitzwhy he flew with Epstein and met so many timesAug 23 07:05
schestowitzhe doesn't need anything from himAug 23 07:05
schestowitzunless he needed particular kinds of services and cover\Aug 23 07:05
DaemonFC[m]Epstein had it coming. Even if he was murdered.Aug 23 07:05
schestowitzyes, he didAug 23 07:05
schestowitzto discuss how to whiten his nameAug 23 07:05
schestowitzafter the arrestAug 23 07:06
schestowitzGates was eager to pain this man as a good guyAug 23 07:06
schestowitzand champion of scienceAug 23 07:06
schestowitzread up on it...Aug 23 07:06
schestowitzthey bribed MIT etc.Aug 23 07:06
schestowitzthose "Scientists"Aug 23 07:06
DaemonFC[m]A good guy. Yeah, good guys usually rape hundreds of kids and throw a few $50s at them.Aug 23 07:07
DaemonFC[m]Maybe Gates does the same thing and is just a lot better at hiding it.Aug 23 07:07
DaemonFC[m]Few people wouldn't shut up about that for the right price.Aug 23 07:08
DaemonFC[m]It's just going to take a lot more than $200.Aug 23 07:08
schestowitzplease dig the court docsAug 23 07:08
schestowitzit's the little we haveAug 23 07:08
schestowitzhe's not going to give more info awayAug 23 07:08
schestowitztoo busy with his "busy schedule"Aug 23 07:08
schestowitzsaving the world from COVID, according to media he bribesAug 23 07:09
DaemonFC[m]I have a pretty good idea what the TREATMENT would be.Aug 23 07:09
DaemonFC[m]It's that bullshit probation MRT.Aug 23 07:09
DaemonFC[m]They make alcoholics and pedophiles sit through it.Aug 23 07:09
DaemonFC[m]It's never worked once, but they do it anyway.Aug 23 07:09
DaemonFC[m]They ought to go back to chemically castrating (some) sex offenders.Aug 23 07:09
DaemonFC[m]Forcible rape, Statutory <14, people like that.Aug 23 07:10
DaemonFC[m]I think they should.Aug 23 07:10
DaemonFC[m]It's the only way to stop them is to do something that makes it impossible for them to want to offend again.Aug 23 07:10
DaemonFC[m]Certain antipsychotic medications make it impossible to want to have sex, but they only do it to certain people.Aug 23 07:12
DaemonFC[m]It's why I refused to take Olanzapine for bipolar disorder.Aug 23 07:13
schestowitzneed thoughts on:Aug 23 07:13
schestowitzSubject: Re: OSI / Affiliate + AssociateAug 23 07:13
schestowitzDate: Sun, 30 Apr 2017 15:27:34 +0000Aug 23 07:13
schestowitzFrom: Matthias Kirschner &lt;>Aug 23 07:13
schestowitzTo: team@lists.fsfe.orgAug 23 07:13
schestowitzDear Erik,Aug 23 07:13
schestowitz* Erik Albers [2017-02-21 11:20 +0100]:Aug 23 07:13
schestowitz> On 20.02.2017 16:27, Matthias Kirschner wrote:Aug 23 07:13
schestowitz>> * Jan-Christoph Borchardt &lt;> [2017-02-02 18:00:00 +0100]:Aug 23 07:13
schestowitz>>Aug 23 07:13
schestowitz>>> Also, I just recently heard about this associate program and I’m very happyAug 23 07:14
schestowitz>>> that this is pushed again. We also thought about becoming OSI affiliateAug 23 07:14
schestowitz>>> since some time, and I suppose it’s quite a similar thing?Aug 23 07:14
schestowitz>>Aug 23 07:14
schestowitz>> Yes, I see it not that much different from their program: Aug 23 07:14
schestowitz>> 23 07:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Become an OSI Affiliate | Open Source InitiativeAug 23 07:14
schestowitz>Aug 23 07:14
schestowitz> as they already have a much longer list than FSFE has and seem to growAug 23 07:14
schestowitz> it since 2012, I think it would be interesting to ask them about theirAug 23 07:14
schestowitz> experience with it, the benefit or downsides or if they are using it allAug 23 07:14
schestowitz> and these things?Aug 23 07:14
schestowitzand here the answer to your question: it seems they have contacted them once at the beginning, asking them to become affiliated organisations. After that according to Simon Phipps there was almost nothing they did with them. They "forgot about them".Aug 23 07:14
schestowitzFrom the process:Aug 23 07:14
schestowitz* They approached almost all the big organisations themselves. For those they added a questions, if they would support them with a one-time donation in case OSI ever has a problem; which most of them answered with yes.Aug 23 07:14
schestowitz* Afterwards new organisations applied. * As there were many LUGs they at one point just added a separate category in their affiliates for user groups.Aug 23 07:14
schestowitzWith some of those organisations they now want to do "joint memberships" and offer those at some conferences. The first one will be a joint OSI/FSF/SFC membership. Simon asked if we would be interested in something like that for European events. I said that this generated more problems as it would solve, and said that we would first like to see how it goes with their experiment.Aug 23 07:14
schestowitzBtw. Simon said he could see OSI to become an associated organisation of the FSFE if we become an affiliated organisation.Aug 23 07:14
schestowitzBest Regards,Aug 23 07:14
schestowitzMatthiasAug 23 07:14
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DaemonFC[m]The FSFE pushing Open Source is a direct contradiction of what Stallman wanted to do with the FSF, which he had stated on many occasions. He said things like some people call him the "father of open source" and he wished they would stop because it meant a lesser standard of freedom for the users, and he joked that if he was the father of open source, they "used stolen semen".Aug 23 07:18
DaemonFC[m]So the FSFE is not using the FSF definition of Free Software and need to quite calling themselves a Free Software organization, per the agreement, or stop trying to label open source as the "exact same thing". Because it isn't. It's freedom with generational loss. It only guarantees that the the first people in line who get a copy have the right to use it however they want.Aug 23 07:20
DaemonFC[m]The first time someone redistributes a modified version, they can take away some or all of the freedoms that they got from it, or use it to impose DRM.Aug 23 07:20
DaemonFC[m]The GPL 3 has anti-DRM provisions that allow users to break DRM that it has been used to implement by making the distributor admit that they don't declare it to be a "technical protection measure" as defined by law. (Like the DMCA.)Aug 23 07:21
DaemonFC[m]Apple absolutely will not abide by that. They love DRM because they're buddy-buddy with Hollywood and the RIAA, and it traps people on Apple computing platforms.Aug 23 07:22
DaemonFC[m]Open source is mute on the topic of DRM because they don't care if their software is used to create it or not. Aug 23 07:23
schestowitzthanks, will addAug 23 07:23
schestowitzI am drafting somethingAug 23 07:23
schestowitzkingoffrance: ^ you can also commentAug 23 07:23
schestowitzor anyone else for that matterAug 23 07:23
DaemonFC[m]Oh, "quit", not "quite".Aug 23 07:24
DaemonFC[m]Slip up.Aug 23 07:25
schestowitzI made an edit of that alreadyAug 23 07:26
schestowitzI also added "v" in gpl 3Aug 23 07:26
schestowitzso we both spotted the same typoAug 23 07:26
schestowitzgive me 5 minutesAug 23 07:26
schestowitzmaybe I will make a meme for thisAug 23 07:26
schestowitzmask-themedAug 23 07:26
DaemonFC[m]I was pretty pissed off the first time I came across DRM. It was iTunes on Windows XP.Aug 23 07:28
schestowitz"Backstabbers and turncoats have worked together to weaken the FSF and to dilute/override/rewrite the message of Free software and it mostly boils down to money and status"Aug 23 07:28
schestowitzsummary ok?Aug 23 07:28
schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: I never encountered DRMAug 23 07:29
schestowitzbut I read about itAug 23 07:29
DaemonFC[m]Yeah.Aug 23 07:29
DaemonFC[m]<schestowitz "DaemonFC: I never encountered DR"> Thankfully I didn't lose money. Apple was promoting free songs from iTunes with codes under Pepsi bottle caps in 2003.Aug 23 07:29
DaemonFC[m]But when I redeemed my codes, and tried to play the songs in Winamp, it didn't work at all.Aug 23 07:30
DaemonFC[m]They only played in iTunes. So I thought they were using some sort of special format or something and maybe Winamp needed a plug-in, and when I went looking, I found out what was going on.Aug 23 07:30
schestowitzmeme doneAug 23 07:31
schestowitzso you lost your collectionsAug 23 07:33
schestowitzI lost one very old collectionAug 23 07:33
schestowitzfew mp3s from the 1990sAug 23 07:34
schestowitzdue to two HDD failuresAug 23 07:34
schestowitzbut there was not much use to those collections anywayAug 23 07:34
schestowitzor old emails of mine from the 90sAug 23 07:34
schestowitzvery, very boring and useless mailsAug 23 07:34
schestowitzmy archive now goes back to 2001 IIRCAug 23 07:34
kingoffrancewell i think these name games have gone on a long timeAug 23 07:36
kingoffrancejust not from "inside" beforeAug 23 07:37
kingoffrancei agree with DaemonFC[m] Aug 23 07:38
DaemonFC[m]DRM causes more piracy than it prevents.Aug 23 07:38
DaemonFC[m]One pirate creates a version with no DRM and all the pirates share it. People get pissed off by DRM once or twice and you lose them to piracy because they're skeptical of the whole idea or trying to buy your new product.Aug 23 07:39
kingoffrancelemme read the 23 07:39
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schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: have a look 23 07:39
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DaemonFC[m]I didn't play Assassin's Creed until GoG put it up.Aug 23 07:40
DaemonFC[m]Good game. Really good game.Aug 23 07:40
schestowitzI am going to double-check now I got email indentation rightAug 23 07:40
DaemonFC[m]Even for being as old as it is.Aug 23 07:40
DaemonFC[m]joint OSI/FSF/SFCAug 23 07:41
DaemonFC[m]That would be the FSFE that's talking about the joint membership, right?Aug 23 07:41
kingoffrancei guess, any corp. on the face of the planet would be pissed if somenoe tries to dilute their "brand"Aug 23 07:43
kingoffrancei cant imagine any scenario they arent deliberately muddying thingsAug 23 07:44
DaemonFC[m]Yeah, that's what trademark law is all about.Aug 23 07:44
kingoffrance^^^Aug 23 07:44
DaemonFC[m]Mozilla has demanded people stop calling their browser Firefox due to some compile time options being different, even.Aug 23 07:45
kingoffrance^^^Aug 23 07:45
kingoffrancewell phoenix and icecat and ...  exactlyAug 23 07:45
kingoffranceiceweasel, ...Aug 23 07:45
DaemonFC[m]In Debian's case it was because they wanted to stick with a certain version throughout a release and backport security fixes.Aug 23 07:45
DaemonFC[m]The problem with security fixes is that not all of them have CVE numbers and unless you follow things very closely, you will miss some.Aug 23 07:46
DaemonFC[m]In a project like the Linux kernel, it moves too fast to try to backport security fixes to some frankenkernel properly. Aug 23 07:46
kingoffrancewell firebird a short while too i thinkAug 23 07:46
DaemonFC[m]Yes, Mozilla has had trademark problems of their own.Aug 23 07:47
DaemonFC[m]At this rate, there won't be a Mozilla for much longer.Aug 23 07:47
kingoffrancei just mean, fsf has every right to do the sameAug 23 07:48
DaemonFC[m]The last layoff took out 1,000 people and then a couple weeks ago Mitchell Baker fired 250, which was said to be a third of all the people that they had left.Aug 23 07:48
schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: any typos spotted yet?Aug 23 07:48
DaemonFC[m]This was after inking another huge search deal.Aug 23 07:48
schestowitzI have not begun proofreading myselfAug 23 07:48
schestowitzas tuxmachines became availableAug 23 07:48
schestowitzdue to over 20000 req burstsAug 23 07:48
schestowitzIt's under control nowAug 23 07:48
schestowitz[07:48] <DaemonFC[m]> The last layoff took out 1,000 people and then a couple weeks ago Mitchell Baker fired 250, which was said to be a third of all the people that they had left.Aug 23 07:49
schestowitzShe pays herself over 2 million bucks a yearAug 23 07:49
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: Just that you spoke of an "FSF" joint membership.Aug 23 07:49
schestowitzeven before she was CEOAug 23 07:49
schestowitzI said, you could pay the salaries of those 75 people you firedAug 23 07:49
schestowitzby taking a decent, fair salary to yourselfAug 23 07:49
schestowitzit's in the IRS filingsAug 23 07:49
schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: ah, will fixAug 23 07:49
DaemonFC[m]Her reign of terror at Mozilla will leave them so brain drained that they'll never recover even if she leaves.Aug 23 07:50
DaemonFC[m]They have their lowest head count since MSIE 6 roamed the Earth. Aug 23 07:50
schestowitzI quoted from the emailAug 23 07:50
schestowitzso maybe he meant FSFEAug 23 07:50
schestowitzbut I cannot change what he saidAug 23 07:50
schestowitzif you spotted no other typos, I will proof-read swiftly nowAug 23 07:51
DaemonFC[m]I didn't see anything.Aug 23 07:51
DaemonFC[m]I think the next step may be to go ahead and get rid of the Gecko engine.Aug 23 07:51
DaemonFC[m]Google agreed to pay them a lot of money for having <5% of web browser usage share.Aug 23 07:52
DaemonFC[m]Google's been making a lot of changes to their own sites to where they only work properly in Chromium browsers.Aug 23 07:53
schestowitzthey still get paidAug 23 07:53
schestowitzthey tried MS/Yahoo for a whileAug 23 07:53
schestowitznot sure when that stoppedAug 23 07:53
schestowitzin yesterday's news: 23 07:53
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Chromium devs want the browser to talk to devices, computers directly via TCP, UDP. Obviously, nothing can't go wrong • The RegisterAug 23 07:53
DaemonFC[m]When Verizon bought Yahoo.Aug 23 07:53
schestowitzis verizon anything to do with comcast now?Aug 23 07:54
schestowitzI forgot who merged with whatAug 23 07:54
schestowitzand comcast is also an extension of anotherAug 23 07:54
DaemonFC[m]<schestowitz "and comcast is also an extension"> Comcast bought NBC.Aug 23 08:01
schestowitzI found a few typosAug 23 08:02
schestowitzI am happier with the text nowAug 23 08:02
schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: ah, okAug 23 08:03
schestowitzyes, I remember thatAug 23 08:03
schestowitzthe other big merger was rushed through by the ShitPie FCCAug 23 08:03
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schestowitzTest US IP: 23 08:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Mozilla's Incredible Speech-To-Text Engine Is At Risk Following Layoffs | Tux MachinesAug 23 08:08
schestowitzno idea why out monitoring service says it's downAug 23 08:08
schestowitzit seems to be OK nowAug 23 08:08
schestowitzmaybe it has not retried in a while...Aug 23 08:08
schestowitz> if corporations are people, are people corporations?Aug 23 08:12
schestowitzI asked myself EXACTLY the same question a few days ago. I think I quipped something to that effect too, but I'm not sure. Could not think of something witty to say...Aug 23 08:12
schestowitzI am sure many people in the past thought the same thing anyway...Aug 23 08:12
kingoffrancewell, artificial person versus natural person,     i guess i try to avoid using "people" except for real peopleAug 23 08:13
kingoffranceperson: personaAug 23 08:14
schestowitz[01:10] <kingoffrance> Oct 11 2019  is date of:    that reads like it tells github to close any issues because development happens elsewhere Aug 23 08:14
schestowitzRe: research in progress (BLENdER3D)Aug 23 08:14
schestowitz> ive checked blender several times in the past. i believe it was always a mirror, therefore it didnt make it to the wiki.Aug 23 08:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | stale.yml · rBAug 23 08:14
schestowitz> Aug 23 08:14
schestowitz> any project can mirror free software. its a non-issue. nothing that can be done but to make the software less free.Aug 23 08:14
schestowitz> Aug 23 08:14
schestowitz> this doesnt mean im comfortable with github, nor do i recommend people use it for any purpose. but for our purposes, i dont worry about mirrors. the intermediate steps i worry about (where the development still takes place elsewhere) are official use of issues and pull requests. you can find places on the gnuhub wiki page that mention this. pull requests are a github feature (other things use analogues, but pull requests require a Aug 23 08:14
schestowitzgithub account thus there is microsoft control) though issues sometimes predate github itself-- with perl, for example. i couple mirrors claim to be mirrors only, though if theyre using pull requests or github-specific discussions i find that contradictory. this may apply to gnustep. it applies to at least one of the gnu projects.Aug 23 08:14
schestowitzSo somebody else has looked into it alreadyAug 23 08:14
DaemonFC[m]As a read-only mirror, probably no harm done.Aug 23 08:16
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schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: yeahAug 23 08:20
schestowitzbut we needed to be sureAug 23 08:20
schestowitzMicrosoft paid them last monthAug 23 08:20
schestowitzthere are conditions for thatAug 23 08:20
schestowitzthey get access to decision-makerAug 23 08:20
schestowitz /sAug 23 08:20
schestowitzso things might changeAug 23 08:20
DaemonFC[m]Higan on Github is unfortunate.Aug 23 08:21
schestowitzwe monitor this going forward...Aug 23 08:21
schestowitzwe'll have an article re azure on mondayAug 23 08:21
schestowitz[08:21] <DaemonFC[m]> Higan on Github is unfortunate.Aug 23 08:21
schestowitzwho's/what's that?Aug 23 08:22
schestowitzyou mentioned this beforeAug 23 08:22
schestowitzmaybe short for something?Aug 23 08:22
schestowitz"Is multi-cloud architecture a good idea?"Aug 23 08:22
schestowitzIt'll be about "JEDI"Aug 23 08:22
schestowitzand GartnerAug 23 08:22
schestowitzworking on itAug 23 08:22
schestowitzRe: blacklistd featureAug 23 08:23
schestowitz> blacklistd is a security daemon available in freebsd. whether or not itAug 23 08:23
schestowitz> is enabled by default, it is important enough to have its own sectionAug 23 08:23
schestowitz> (30.6) in the bsd handbook.Aug 23 08:24
schestowitz> Aug 23 08:24
schestowitz> i think the implications wrt censorship, safe space policies andAug 23 08:24
schestowitz> software freedom are blatant here. having found it, i thought id mentionAug 23 08:24
schestowitz> it. im grateful that freebsd at least ditched their particularly stupidAug 23 08:24
schestowitz> coc for a less stupid one. the faq still contains jokes that the new fsfAug 23 08:24
schestowitz> probably wouldnt use at this point (including one at stallmans expense,Aug 23 08:24
schestowitz> though by comparison openbsd wrote an entire song to make fun of him) soAug 23 08:24
schestowitz> as long as those are there, along with blacklistd, i will hope they areAug 23 08:24
schestowitz> not too coc-happy for it to be a huge issue.Aug 23 08:24
schestowitz> Aug 23 08:24
schestowitz> xxxxxxxxx wants to fork bsd, particularly freebsd. hyperbola is based onAug 23 08:24
schestowitz> openbsd. wants to / will, not the same thing. but you never know who heAug 23 08:24
schestowitz> will meet.Aug 23 08:24
DaemonFC[m]> who's/what's that?Aug 23 08:44
DaemonFC[m]Classic game console emulator, but the guy is obsessive that it should work exactly like the real hardware did.Aug 23 08:44
DaemonFC[m]It'll be uaeful to historians maybe at some point. Nobody manufacturing these systems anymore.Aug 23 08:45
DaemonFC[m]They were hosted on gitlab before, I think.Aug 23 08:46
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schestowitzdoes anyone here know Alessandro Rubini?Aug 23 09:55
schestowitzor Sonia Montegiove?Aug 23 09:55
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-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Board - Annotated | Open Source InitiativeAug 23 10:09
schestowitz" Hong also acts as an InnerSource manager at Zalando where she helps to bring open source best practices within the corporate walls and supports the company to become a good open source citizen."Aug 23 10:09
schestowitzInnerSource?Aug 23 10:09
schestowitzWTF?Aug 23 10:10
schestowitzProprietaryAug 23 10:10
schestowitzthat just means something like, "We use git or github private repos to develop nonfree s/w"Aug 23 10:11
schestowitzit is the third E in Open Source EEEAug 23 10:12
schestowitzwhere open just means... proprietaryAug 23 10:12
kingoffrancewhat do they do then, make you sign NDA where source is "internal" ?Aug 23 10:13
kingoffranceso yeah, basically proprietaryAug 23 10:13
kingoffrancewith a new nameAug 23 10:14
kingoffranceisnt that just another word for closed source?Aug 23 10:16
kingoffrance"inner source"Aug 23 10:17
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schestowitzthey redefine the debateAug 23 10:22
schestowitzeverything is "source" nowAug 23 10:22
schestowitzeven malware is "source"Aug 23 10:22
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MinceR23 065206 < schestowitz> suicidesAug 23 14:43
MinceRthat doesn't helpAug 23 14:43
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schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: are you out and about?Aug 23 15:30
schestowitzthe gates things gain a lot of traction right nowAug 23 15:30
schestowitztwitter shadowbans some of that, of course...Aug 23 15:31
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schestowitzhe wasn't famous and wasn't a "vaccine hero"Aug 23 15:43
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-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Should a pseudonym be changed: George Eliot, Mary Ann Evans, and the "Reclaim her Name" project - The IPKatAug 23 15:49
schestowitz"I have since been reminded of the piece by Kat friend Mira Sundara Rajan,, which was reported on by IPKat in 2016."Aug 23 15:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Elena Ferrante’s Right to a Pseudonym Under Copyright Law - The AtlanticAug 23 15:49
schestowitz"I wonder if the Reclaim Her Name project will be seeking to republish the works of Robert Galbraith for much the same reasons as those advanced in the case of Eliot/Evans."Aug 23 15:49
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schestowitz"Aug 23 15:50
schestowitzYou think it is right that the applicant disclosed the invention at the filing/priority date to the public in exchange for patent protection and later the EPO says: "Sorry not bound to the contract monopoly in exchange of a technical teaching anymore?"Aug 23 15:50
schestowitzWhat the public does with the disclosure at filing/priority date (or, admittedly, publication date) is not something the applicant/patentee can influence.Aug 23 15:50
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schestowitz"To the one suggesting changing careers if you cannot pass P6 after a few attempts - what a spectacularly thoughtless comment. Why should anyone give up a perfectly good career they are completely capable of succeeding in just because they cannot pass a pointless, unfit-for-purpose exam? "Aug 23 15:52
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-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Microsoft says Apple's move against 'Fortnite' creator would hurt its games | Article [AMP] | ReutersAug 23 18:21
DaemonFC[m]Microsoft joined tge lawsuit against Apple.Aug 23 18:21
schestowitz"lolAug 23 18:22
schestowitzgood force microsoft...Aug 23 18:22
DaemonFC[m]They're asking a court to stop Apple from being able to enforce in app payments through the app store.Aug 23 18:22
schestowitzfighting for 'just us'Aug 23 18:22
schestowitzas if Microsoft does any betterAug 23 18:22
DaemonFC[m]Well, for once I agree completely.Aug 23 18:22
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz A ruling against Apple could be cited in cases where other app stores force this.Aug 23 18:23
DaemonFC[m]It would cause lower prices for consumers because Apple handling the payments would be a convenience for the developers, not a monopoly.Aug 23 18:23
MinceRlolAug 23 18:24
MinceRfirst microsuck copies crApple, then microsuck sues crApple for doing what they copiedAug 23 18:24
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DaemonFC[m]Theoretically, this app store monopoly harms Android users too, because the developers base their fees on Apple's "commission"Aug 23 18:25
MinceR(no audio) 23 18:25
DaemonFC[m]This has driven up a Spotify subscription by at least 10% across the board.Aug 23 18:25
MinceRwhat do spotify's prices have to do with "developers" though?Aug 23 18:26
DaemonFC[m]Not that great things will happen with a court finding that this practice is illegal, other than Apple getting hurt financially.Aug 23 18:26
DaemonFC[m]I'd be glad to see that though.Aug 23 18:26
DaemonFC[m]Worth $2 trillion in part because they steal like this.Aug 23 18:27
DaemonFC[m]It's cheaper to have a Google Developer account. Apple charged $150 per year and Google had an up front fee of $5 last I checked, to make sure of who you are mostly.Aug 23 18:29
MinceRor you could just distribute apk-s yourself, or use a different repositoryAug 23 18:29
DaemonFC[m]Lower barrier to entry on Android. JWZ said he was giving up on making freeware for the iPhone because it was costing him $150 a year to give stuff away.Aug 23 18:30
DaemonFC[m]He said Apple was deliberately pushing away people who wanted to make freeware apps so that they could take part of the payments too.Aug 23 18:30
schestowitz[18:27] <DaemonFC[m]> Worth $2 trillion in part because they steal like this.Aug 23 18:30
schestowitzyou mean 200 billionAug 23 18:31
schestowitz+90% in imaginary valueAug 23 18:31
DaemonFC[m]Yes.Aug 23 18:31
schestowitzbecause it helps pretend the debt can be paid back if only we support "job-creating" oligarchsAug 23 18:31
MinceRonce the brainwashing is complete, jwz will sell his shit for hypeOSAug 23 18:31
DaemonFC[m]One of the twisted ways they used open source software against the users and developers was to enforce the pocket-picking app store on them.Aug 23 18:32
DaemonFC[m]The Parents Television Council apparently filed complaints against Rick and Morty.Aug 23 18:33
DaemonFC[m]They have nothing better to do than watch this with a pen and a notepad and write down every single time it offended them apparently.Aug 23 18:33
DaemonFC[m]That's just not living a full life.Aug 23 18:33
schestowitzThe way things are going, by election day US might be world's 4th worst for COVID-19 deaths/capitaAug 23 18:34
DaemonFC[m]They've never gotten the FCC to do anything that I'm aware of other than the fine for Janet Jackson's nipple in 2004Aug 23 18:35
schestowitztopped by belgium, peru and spainAug 23 18:35
schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: fake nippleAug 23 18:35
schestowitzif Janet wasn't female, the nipple would be fineAug 23 18:36
schestowitzbecause we have a systems where guys can flaunt their nipplesAug 23 18:36
DaemonFC[m]The courts threw the fine out 8 years later.Aug 23 18:36
schestowitzbut girls are banned by FB for itAug 23 18:36
schestowitztalk about "Western shriah"Aug 23 18:36
MinceRjust cover the female nipple with an image of a male nippleAug 23 18:36
schestowitz*ShariahAug 23 18:36
MinceRor have the female identify as (partly) maleAug 23 18:36
schestowitz[18:36] <MinceR> just cover the female nipple with an image of a male nippleAug 23 18:37
schestowitzSnippleAug 23 18:37
schestowitzit's OK to have a wet shirt with  a nipple showing through itAug 23 18:37
schestowitznobody can accurately define what it "too much nipple"Aug 23 18:37
schestowitzor whoseAug 23 18:37
schestowitzwhat about female monkey?Aug 23 18:38
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MinceRmake the shirt of transparent plasticAug 23 18:38
schestowitzit gets even stranger when you have flat-chested ladiesAug 23 18:38
schestowitzor ladies who lost a breast to cancerAug 23 18:38
schestowitzor nipple surgically reconstructedAug 23 18:38
schestowitzand anime\Aug 23 18:38
schestowitzthe rules are ambiguous and enforcement arbitraryAug 23 18:38
schestowitzsome say, just liberate the nippleAug 23 18:39
schestowitzit's overhyped tissue typeAug 23 18:39
schestowitzboth male and female genders have it, all mammalsAug 23 18:39
schestowitzsome have loads of them, like 8Aug 23 18:39
schestowitzA Republican Conservative never gropes a dog and says, "hey, bitch, I can't help touching you there, cover yourself up"Aug 23 18:40
schestowitzA lot of these rule boil down to male restraint/testosteroneAug 23 18:40
schestowitzor lack of restraintAug 23 18:40
schestowitzso punish the men with no restraintAug 23 18:40
MinceRah yes, i love it when they "protect the rights" of computer-generated imagesAug 23 18:41
schestowitzno the women who dares show an inch of their breast that is considered the 'only' part which is 'naughty'Aug 23 18:41
schestowitzMinceR: they worry about precedenceAug 23 18:41
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schestowitzIn computer games there's a push to shrink the women's breasts (CG) and change physics models to make them more rigid, yet nobody demands that guys in computer games should have small and "more realistic expectations" musclesAug 23 18:45
schestowitzSame in moviesAug 23 18:45
schestowitzthe whole debate creates a lot more problems than it solvesAug 23 18:45
schestowitzand then you had up with trolls and "-gates"Aug 23 18:45
schestowitzbecause it's a feeding frenzyAug 23 18:45
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DaemonFC[m]schestowitz I liked who Stranger Things had as Sheriff Jim Hopper.Aug 23 18:58
DaemonFC[m]He's not your stereotypical saves the world guy.Aug 23 18:58
DaemonFC[m]He's a dumpy sort of fuck up dad bod guy who pours Aunt Jemima in his coffee and he drinks too much.Aug 23 18:59
DaemonFC[m]They made some jokes about this in the show. He turns out to be as proficient at taking out bad guys (and monsters in this case) as Mike from Breaking Bad.Aug 23 19:00
schestowitzhen tie, MinceRAug 23 19:00
schestowitztook me a while to get itAug 23 19:00
schestowitzshit, ddos attack, I did not noticeAug 23 19:02
schestowitzagainst techrightsAug 23 19:02
schestowitzthe new monitoring I'm still not used toAug 23 19:02
DaemonFC[m]I like the anti-hero types because it's more believable that someone who is deeply flawed gets roped in to doing the right thing and then sort of maybe develops their own conscience because of it. Aug 23 19:03
DaemonFC[m]Harrison Ford said he hated playing Han Solo. I haven't really liked Star Wars since Lucas went back and added all that "WTF" crap from the cutting room floor and special effects using 90s CGI that look totally out of place and shockingly less realistic than the original material.Aug 23 19:04
DaemonFC[m]There's no way to get the originals back because they use copyright to not sell them to you.Aug 23 19:05
DaemonFC[m]The Empire Strikes Back was by far the best. The Library of Congress got ahold of the original release and refused to preserve the "Special Edition" that George Lucas tried to hand them.Aug 23 19:09
DaemonFC[m]That doesn't really help the public though.Aug 23 19:09
XRevan86Where could one possibly get 23 19:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | The Star Wars Trilogy | A Digital Star Wars Scrap book.Aug 23 19:09
DaemonFC[m]All of the Disney stuff is anti-climactic and all over the place because they're focused on cranking them out so fast that what should have been rough drafts end up being the script.Aug 23 19:11
DaemonFC[m]If they ever wrapped up a story arc, then they wouldn't get people to see the next one, but box offfice sales were dropping anyway because of the fatigue of seeing a strong of unsatisfying movies.Aug 23 19:12
DaemonFC[m]They continued George Lucas's policy of including exactly 1 black character with main character armor.Aug 23 19:13
DaemonFC[m]He can actually shoot and hit something despite being black and having a background as a Stormtrooper. So mad props, as they say.Aug 23 19:13
DaemonFC[m]I was beginning to see an explanation for why you can have like 50 Stormtroopers shooting at you and they all miss. Aug 23 19:14
DaemonFC[m]"Oh, okay, so the Empire is Chicago in space. It all makes sense now."Aug 23 19:14
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: 7 Open-source School Management Solutions with Virtual Classroom Support []Aug 23 19:14
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DaemonFC[m]Main character armor on too many people is one of the big flaws of Stranger Things. Aug 23 19:15
DaemonFC[m]Inevitably, if the ratings start to slip, I can see this going the Walking Dead where they start sacrificing main characters just to make it possible that anyone could bite it next. Aug 23 19:17
DaemonFC[m]Hopefully the scripts don't ever get that bad.Aug 23 19:17
DaemonFC[m]I'm all for making the audience suspend their disbelief a little to make the story work, but having elite Soviet commandos and monsters from a parallel universe after like 20 people with main character armor at this point is a bit much.Aug 23 19:18
schestowitzzoobab: 23 19:20
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | FFII warns against another attempt to sneak software patents into EU lawAug 23 19:20
DaemonFC[m]Even one software patent can really screw things up for decades.Aug 23 19:22
DaemonFC[m]S3 Texture Compression.....Aug 23 19:22
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: ATGC Could Come In Linux 5.10 For F2FS and Cachy in Linux []Aug 23 19:23
DaemonFC[m]Then S3TC had some limitations, and there was a patent some patent troll got on how to work around that limitation to get better compression out of it.Aug 23 19:23
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-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: today’s howtos []Aug 23 19:25
DaemonFC[m]The Doom 3 engine was very advanced in 2004. They really did a lot of work to make it play at an acceptable speed on lower end computers and minimize the sacrifice in visual quality.Aug 23 19:26
DaemonFC[m]512 MB of RAM on a graphics card was considered insane at the time, so I don't think anything actually ran it on Ultra High when it was released.Aug 23 19:27
schestowitzgraphics card?Aug 23 19:28
schestowitzwhat's that?Aug 23 19:28
schestowitz(doom days)Aug 23 19:28
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: I don't think the Coronavirus is necessary getting worse in Illinois.Aug 23 19:30
DaemonFC[m]We've set testing records for the last 5 days in a row.Aug 23 19:30
DaemonFC[m]So we're obviously diagnosing cases that are less severe where you'd just get turned away in Indiana.Aug 23 19:30
DaemonFC[m]In the long term that might lead to a sustained decline if people know they have it and stay away from others.Aug 23 19:31
DaemonFC[m]These states that set tougher requirements so you have to be really sick to get a test are just having a lot of undiagnosed cases walking around.Aug 23 19:32
DaemonFC[m]So they make things look good for a few weeks and then things get worse.Aug 23 19:32
schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: goodAug 23 19:35
schestowitzbetter to knowAug 23 19:35
schestowitzthan to live a dream/illusionAug 23 19:35
schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: 6 deaths here todayAug 23 19:35
schestowitzfewer than Italy evenAug 23 19:35
schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: when you diagnose the surviving positives you can use their blood as donors for antibodiesAug 23 19:36
schestowitzso the tests can save lived by identifying blood that is effective in saving old and vulnerable people's livedsAug 23 19:36
schestowitz*livesAug 23 19:36
schestowitzand the more of them you have with resistance, the more you can build up defenses Aug 23 19:37
schestowitzuntil it goes extinctAug 23 19:37
schestowitzwith a collective immune systemAug 23 19:37
schestowitzby then, maybe vaccines won't  be that desirable eitherAug 23 19:37
schestowitzhence the rush to market from billness the college drop-outAug 23 19:37
schestowitzneed to make a killing before those things are killed, like in WuhanAug 23 19:38
DaemonFC[m]The FDA blocked a plasma treatment.Aug 23 19:40
DaemonFC[m]Trump accused the FDA of being a Deep State plot to release a treatment after he loses the election.Aug 23 19:41
DaemonFC[m]Maybe he can call in a favor for the Russian Army to come inject my dad and mom with Sputnik V.Aug 23 19:42
schestowitz#billgates #licensing #greed #MicrosoftBusinessModel #profiteering 23 19:43
schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: lolAug 23 19:43
schestowitzdid he say that?Aug 23 19:43
schestowitzor do you sort of make it up?Aug 23 19:43
DaemonFC[m] 23 19:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Pelosi slams Trump 'deep state' tweet on coronavirus vaccines – as it happened | US news | The GuardianAug 23 19:44
schestowitzbillgates guardianAug 23 19:46
schestowitzfunded by gatesAug 23 19:46
schestowitzand relaying his PRAug 23 19:46
schestowitzbut ...Aug 23 19:46
schestowitzthis is pelosiAug 23 19:46
schestowitzso I guess he and she did say thatAug 23 19:46
schestowitzbut it's not newsAug 23 19:47
DaemonFC[m]They're mostly just quoting his tweet and her response to it.Aug 23 19:47
schestowitzits a bunch of  useless tweetsAug 23 19:47
schestowitzi.e. shit 'journalism'Aug 23 19:47
schestowitzyeah, like I saidAug 23 19:47
schestowitzshit 'journalism'Aug 23 19:47
schestowitzcopy pasting a tweetAug 23 19:47
schestowitzand balancing with another tweetAug 23 19:47
DaemonFC[m]I was just making a joke about how my parents would probably welcome the Russian Army and their dodgy vaccine if Trump told them to roll up their sleeve for it.Aug 23 19:47
schestowitzvoila! I'm a journalistAug 23 19:47
scientesstill glad I have DaemonFC[m] ignoredAug 23 19:48
schestowitzworst case scenario, their skin gets a little SPOTTYAug 23 19:48
DaemonFC[m]Maybe I should ignore him so I don't get highlighted by that.Aug 23 19:48
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: Maybe nanoprobes assimilate them and they start speaking Russian in advance of the US annexation referendum. ;)Aug 23 19:49
DaemonFC[m]The problem would be spotting the difference in how ridiculous my parents were before and after.Aug 23 19:49
DaemonFC[m]Something is now calling me from all 000s every day. I had that blocked in my phone before I changed my number.Aug 23 19:53
DaemonFC[m]Nothing legitimate hides their caller ID, usually.Aug 23 19:53
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Perl/Raku Programming and Challenges []Aug 23 19:53
schestowitzwhen did that start, DaemonFC[m]Aug 23 19:55
DaemonFC[m]FridayAug 23 19:55
schestowitzsomeone who writes articles for us has his suspicions 23 19:56
DaemonFC[m]Kia started doing that when the payments were late, but they know I'm in bankruptcy and closed me account.Aug 23 19:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Guest Article: A Tale of Possible Surveillance | TechrightsAug 23 19:56
DaemonFC[m]Citi Bank also has a collector that is said to ignore debt collection laws.Aug 23 19:56
DaemonFC[m]They did that too.Aug 23 19:56
DaemonFC[m]Bankruptcy law says that all efforts to collect a debt must stop the instant the bankruptcy is filed with thw court. It overrules state law.Aug 23 19:58
DaemonFC[m]There are big fines for continuing to try to collect.Aug 23 19:58
schestowitz[19:57] [Notice] -viera to #boycottnovell-social- Dr. Roy Schestowitz (罗伊): The #criminals from #microsoft pretend to have moral high ground when it comes to competition []Aug 23 19:59
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | FOSS Patents: Microsoft supports Epic Games' quest for temporary restraining order against Apple, stresses importance of Unreal EngineAug 23 19:59
schestowitz[19:58] [Notice] -viera to #boycottnovell-social- Dr. Roy Schestowitz (罗伊): Epic practically gives up on #Fortnite , prioritizes #UnrealEngine in reply brief pushing for temporary restraining order against #Apple []Aug 23 19:59
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Microsoft says Apple's move against 'Fortnite' creator would hurt its games | Article [AMP] | ReutersAug 23 19:59
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | PleromaAug 23 19:59
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | FOSS Patents: Epic practically gives up on Fortnite, prioritizes Unreal Engine in reply brief pushing for temporary restraining order against AppleAug 23 19:59
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | PleromaAug 23 19:59
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz I was reading about this one case where a company ignored the automatic stay on about $1,400 in debt.Aug 23 19:59
DaemonFC[m]Decided they'd go after the debtor on criminal charges in an attempt to make them pay up.Aug 23 20:00
DaemonFC[m]It was a forcible detainer case.Aug 23 20:00
schestowitzadded to 23 20:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Proprietary Software Problems and Apple's Monopoly | Tux MachinesAug 23 20:01
DaemonFC[m]Anyway, the bankruptcy court ended up taking $56,000 from them in fines and compensation to the debtor for her legal bills.Aug 23 20:01
schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: never mind your own caseAug 23 20:01
schestowitzit's not a diaryAug 23 20:01
schestowitzwe need to focus on stories of broader interestAug 23 20:01
DaemonFC[m]You asked what happens to the creditors.Aug 23 20:02
DaemonFC[m]They leave it alone if they know what's good for them.Aug 23 20:02
schestowitzremember the site opendiary?Aug 23 20:02
schestowitz1990s?Aug 23 20:02
schestowitzdon't turn the irc channels into thatAug 23 20:02
schestowitzopendiary was ok for its timeAug 23 20:02
schestowitzbut we need to focus on the tech and legal issues of relevance to the siteAug 23 20:02
DaemonFC[m]The only thing that can possibly come from violating bankruptcy law is further losses that make the bankruptcy look like peanuts.Aug 23 20:03
schestowitz 23 20:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | FibroGen v. Akebia: Arnold LJ addresses insufficiency, equivalence, second medical use claims, and much more - The IPKatAug 23 20:03
schestowitzA very thorough judgement indeed and truly engaging comments. I havent read it in full, but many thnx to the autor for providing some guidance for being able to quickly get to the interesting bits. I am wondering, is this the 1st time a ref in UK was made to the BGH "dedication to public" principle? If yes, is anyone expecing some more implications from this reference? Just curious, cheers :)""Aug 23 20:03
schestowitzEPO eerily quiet this august, even by this month's standard of slownessAug 23 20:03
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: The coal bankruptcies have continued getting much worse.Aug 23 20:04
schestowitz 23 20:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Book Review: Domain Name Law and Practice - The IPKatAug 23 20:04
schestowitz"To be blunt, this is not much of a review? How does this book compare to the works of Gerald M. Levine for example?"Aug 23 20:04
schestowitzAds as "reviews"Aug 23 20:04
schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: sounds COAL to me!Aug 23 20:04
DaemonFC[m]The Federal Trade Commission is holding up a merger of two bankrupt coal companies that represent 60% of all coal mining in Wyoming.  Bill Barr is seeing if he can take the FTC to court to have their decision overturned.Aug 23 20:04
schestowitzRoasting US justiceAug 23 20:05
DaemonFC[m]They figure they can merge operations and eliminate "redundancies", which will almost certainly include thousands of coal miners.Aug 23 20:05
DaemonFC[m]So more job losses after Trump said he would create coal jobs like nothing you've ever seen before.Aug 23 20:05
DaemonFC[m]Coal by absolute electric energy produced in the US has been cut in half since Trump took office with a serious drop this year.Aug 23 20:06
DaemonFC[m]It's hovering around like 13% of electricity generated right now, from 47% 10 years ago.Aug 23 20:06
schestowitz 23 20:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Who Got The Ball Rolling On QAnon? | Cracked.comAug 23 20:07
schestowitzsee video at bottomAug 23 20:07
DaemonFC[m]Nobody wants it, so the amount mined has to go down. There's a lag time, in between schestowitz , because there's a "storage buffer" that filled up and then there was simply nowhere left to store it after a few months, and the suppliers choked.Aug 23 20:08
schestowitzand the text next to itAug 23 20:08
DaemonFC[m]Now they're all going tits up.Aug 23 20:08
schestowitzgoodAug 23 20:08
schestowitzset fire to itAug 23 20:08
schestowitzthough it typically needs gasolineAug 23 20:08
DaemonFC[m]They've been doing mass layoffs and telling the workers up front it's permanent and giving them small severance packages to get rid of them.Aug 23 20:08
schestowitzit's only good when the temperatures are high to begin withAug 23 20:09
schestowitzcoal extraction is bad for healthAug 23 20:09
schestowitzcoal burning tooAug 23 20:09
schestowitzand we probably spend much of that energy on crap we don't needAug 23 20:09
DaemonFC[m]It is. schestowitz I saw a train of nothing but coal going by the hotel the other day.Aug 23 20:09
schestowitzthe liquid energy is used a lot in transportAug 23 20:09
schestowitzplanes, cars...Aug 23 20:09
DaemonFC[m]Didn't look like it was in a big hurry to get where it was going though.Aug 23 20:09
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schestowitzcoal killsAug 23 20:10
schestowitzit almost rhymesAug 23 20:10
schestowitzrespiratory problems can be linked to itAug 23 20:10
DaemonFC[m]There's some coal mining in downstate Illinois.Aug 23 20:10
schestowitzeven in young ageAug 23 20:10
DaemonFC[m]But it's too dirty for US coal plants to burn.Aug 23 20:10
schestowitzcombine with other conditions and you might look at a million deaths over the decadesAug 23 20:10
DaemonFC[m]We were selling it to China, I think.Aug 23 20:10
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DaemonFC[m]China and the UK.Aug 23 20:10
schestowitzboats full of death treesAug 23 20:11
schestowitz*deadAug 23 20:11
schestowitzhey, what do the boats run on?Aug 23 20:11
schestowitzCoal too?Aug 23 20:11
schestowitzuse coal to transport coal to burn coalAug 23 20:11
DaemonFC[m]Diesel probably.Aug 23 20:11
DaemonFC[m]Same thing the Greenpece boats run on so they can circle around oil rigs protesting them.Aug 23 20:12
DaemonFC[m]*GreenpeaceAug 23 20:12
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: Offshore drilling has been unprofitable for years too, but things really went south this year.Aug 23 20:13
DaemonFC[m]They weren't anticipating that demand for motor fuel in the US would go down 25%.Aug 23 20:13
schestowitzthey received subsidiesAug 23 20:13
schestowitzso you pay twice over or double for oil you buyAug 23 20:13
schestowitzpart of the cost is hidden or delayedAug 23 20:13
DaemonFC[m]Yeah, but apparently that's still not enough.Aug 23 20:13
schestowitzpostponed until the offspring pay for itAug 23 20:13
DaemonFC[m]TransOcean stock is down by 1/4th.Aug 23 20:13
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: Yeah, the Impala wasn't really made to run on E15, but I've been using it.Aug 23 20:14
DaemonFC[m]There were just so many problems with it that mom was ignoring that all chipped away at gas mileage a bit.Aug 23 20:14
DaemonFC[m]Some of them were dirt cheap to fix too.Aug 23 20:15
DaemonFC[m]Like $5 and $10 parts. Aug 23 20:15
DaemonFC[m]It's really a shame that the EPA never mandated that the car's check engine light comes on until you have a problem that goes way beyond gas guzzling. Aug 23 20:16
DaemonFC[m]Imagine how much fuel is just wasted over things that are cheap fixes.Aug 23 20:16
DaemonFC[m]Like the car has a tire pressure sensor. The car knows when they tire is so low that it's negatively affecting gas mileage, but the stupid government doesn't require it to come on until your tires are getting damaged and just about ready to blow out. Aug 23 20:18
DaemonFC[m]They could have set it to go "Hey stupid, your tires are 10% low. Put in some air!" but it waits until 25%.Aug 23 20:18
schestowitzit doesn't cost to inflate, does it?Aug 23 20:19
schestowitzgas station have (used to have?) pumpsAug 23 20:19
schestowitzwhen I was driving Aug 23 20:20
DaemonFC[m]I have a hand pump that works just fine.Aug 23 20:20
schestowitzfor a car?Aug 23 20:20
schestowitzthose would suckAug 23 20:20
DaemonFC[m]You can use it on a car, yeah.Aug 23 20:20
schestowitzwould never get you the same pressure levelsAug 23 20:20
schestowitzmaybe the advanced bike ones, not the simple and cheap onesAug 23 20:20
schestowitzwith a long big hand pumpAug 23 20:20
DaemonFC[m]Even if you do put $1 in the inflator at the gas station every once in a while, you're going to lose more money on gas (and tires) if you don't.Aug 23 20:21
DaemonFC[m]It's just so simple.Aug 23 20:21
DaemonFC[m]There's a Dodge truck for sale over by the Fastenal warehouse.Aug 23 20:23
DaemonFC[m]I think it's a fleet vehicle.Aug 23 20:23
DaemonFC[m]I was considering taking a look at it.Aug 23 20:23
schestowitzi think I will take another glance at the Jones thingAug 23 20:23
schestowitzsome people now download the PDFs moreAug 23 20:23
schestowitzbut...Aug 23 20:23
schestowitzsadly many are k00ksAug 23 20:23
schestowitzlike the qanon typesAug 23 20:23
schestowitzI cannot control who reads or associates with theseAug 23 20:24
DaemonFC[m]It depends on the year, as far as whether it's worth it or not. Aug 23 20:24
schestowitzeither way, we need more docs, and they do exist in the court's computersAug 23 20:24
DaemonFC[m]Gonad had a 1998 that worked fine. He bought it and drive it until he died.Aug 23 20:24
schestowitzsome are as recent as 2018Aug 23 20:24
schestowitzlast I checked in 2019Aug 23 20:24
schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: the car was a "he"?Aug 23 20:25
schestowitz(joke)Aug 23 20:25
DaemonFC[m]The order modifying the sentence would be interesting.Aug 23 20:25
DaemonFC[m]They almost never let anyone off the sex offender list.Aug 23 20:25
DaemonFC[m]Almost everyone petitions the court to be removed, but it just never happens.Aug 23 20:25
schestowitzI just wait for you to request itAug 23 20:26
schestowitzWe'll cover the costAug 23 20:26
schestowitzit's valuable for us to host a public copyAug 23 20:27
schestowitzand let people have accessAug 23 20:27
schestowitzthe sooner, the betterAug 23 20:27
schestowitzI triedAug 23 20:27
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: The neighbor lady moved in a child molester when I lived in Huntington.Aug 23 20:27
schestowitzbut it's a US systemAug 23 20:27
DaemonFC[m]I got him sent back to prison.Aug 23 20:27
schestowitzgoodAug 23 20:27
DaemonFC[m]He failed to register. I called the Huntington Sheriff and said "I know something you don't know!".Aug 23 20:27
schestowitzhopefully not a kids' prisonAug 23 20:27
DaemonFC[m]Oh no. State, to serve another 5 years.Aug 23 20:28
DaemonFC[m]Then she comes crying to me saying "They came and arrested him!" and I was like "Oh no!".Aug 23 20:28
DaemonFC[m]He was blasting his stereo and the landlord wouldn't step in.Aug 23 20:28
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DaemonFC[m]So when I found out he was a Failure to Register and had 5 years suspended due to the parole......Aug 23 20:28
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DaemonFC[m]After they came and handcuffed him and hauled him away, no more loud stereo.Aug 23 20:29
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DaemonFC[m]Look, they'd have found him eventually. They always do. It's not my fault he was stupid enough to draw attention and make enemies. Many criminals are.Aug 23 20:30
DaemonFC[m]Then they wonder why their probation officer or the Sheriff knows everything.Aug 23 20:30
DaemonFC[m]Failure to Register is about the dumbest thing to go back to prison for.Aug 23 20:34
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DaemonFC[m]You're still on the registry with your last known address, but now you're a fugitive and you get whatever was left on your prison sentence.Aug 23 20:34
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: There's so many felons in Indiana that you can get a job somewhere, even with sex crimes.Aug 23 20:34
schestowitz[20:29] <DaemonFC[m]> After they came and handcuffed him and hauled him away, no more loud stereo.Aug 23 20:38
schestowitzNo more pedo next door, eitherAug 23 20:38
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: Point is, there's a grain of truth to what goes around comes around.Aug 23 20:39
DaemonFC[m]If you piss people off who otherwise wouldn't have cared you were on the planet, they'll go find something.Aug 23 20:39
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: Trump's RNC speech is due to happen as two hurricanes make landfall at the same time.Aug 23 20:42
DaemonFC[m]One in Louisiana and another in Florida.Aug 23 20:43
DaemonFC[m]I wonder what would have eventually became of the United States had the Revolutionary War not happened.Aug 23 20:43
DaemonFC[m]Colonialism was eventually rejected as the subjects demanded more and more autonomy and eventually became states of their own anyway.Aug 23 20:44
schestowitzthe airbases would perishAug 23 20:44
DaemonFC[m]I think that the American Revolution was probably the most violent uprising against it.Aug 23 20:44
schestowitzWhich American revolutionAug 23 20:45
DaemonFC[m]A lot of the rest went on as the people subjected to it cooperated less and less and it became untenable.Aug 23 20:45
schestowitzBolivar's?Aug 23 20:45
schestowitzAmerica is bigAug 23 20:45
schestowitzTrump thinks they had planes during the civil war Aug 23 20:45
schestowitzand that spanish flu helped end ww2Aug 23 20:46
DaemonFC[m]Uh, no, but there was a submarine. Aug 23 20:46
schestowitzwhich came like a decade laterAug 23 20:46
schestowitzthe world views the US as a laughing stockAug 23 20:46
schestowitzprimitive subsAug 23 20:46
DaemonFC[m]Also, "ironclad" battleships.Aug 23 20:46
schestowitzlike one-man subAug 23 20:46
schestowitzwith a bomb attached to itAug 23 20:46
DaemonFC[m]No, the Hunley.Aug 23 20:46
schestowitzto attack british boatsAug 23 20:46
DaemonFC[m]It had a crew, of like 7 I think.Aug 23 20:46
schestowitzmaybe after the revolutionary warAug 23 20:47
schestowitzand motored without padalsAug 23 20:47
schestowitzpedalsAug 23 20:47
DaemonFC[m]Oh, I was talking about the Civil War.Aug 23 20:47
schestowitzuncivil warAug 23 20:47
DaemonFC[m]It got fucking ugly.Aug 23 20:47
schestowitzhead of the commission is connected to the confederates 23 20:48
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schestowitzeven calls herself after that familyAug 23 20:48
DaemonFC[m]The military losses alone were worse than what the United States suffered in World War 2. Aug 23 20:48
schestowitzsecond am made it worseAug 23 20:48
schestowitzthe feds won anywayAug 23 20:48
schestowitzbut many people diedAug 23 20:48
schestowitzso no real proof of 2nd am empowering the peopleAug 23 20:49
DaemonFC[m]Yeah, nobody won the Civil War. Aug 23 20:49
schestowitzunless you want lots of corpses everywhere and a dead presidentAug 23 20:49
DaemonFC[m]The only thing that ended up happening was that the federal government took the renegade states back and then gave itself more power than ever while the south had no representation that could stop it.Aug 23 20:49
schestowitzcompare to cataloniaAug 23 20:50
schestowitzno shots firedAug 23 20:50
schestowitzand the delegates were removedAug 23 20:50
DaemonFC[m]The south could have done far more inside the system than they did by declaring secession and losing. Aug 23 20:50
schestowitzcharged with seditionAug 23 20:50
DaemonFC[m]Well, during the Civil War, most of the judges and other federal officials from the southern states who didn't leave voluntarily were impeached.Aug 23 20:51
DaemonFC[m]The House and Senate expelled quite a few members.Aug 23 20:51
DaemonFC[m]In modern times, if you do something really awful, they'll strip you of your voting rights on the floor and your committee assignments.Aug 23 20:52
DaemonFC[m]You'll be a member of the House but you won't be able to do anything until you decide to give up and resign.Aug 23 20:52
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: If the 10% rule is still in effect in 2022, I'm going to run for office.Aug 23 20:52
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DaemonFC[m]I didn't know the federal courts would rule against Illinois like they did.Aug 23 20:53
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DaemonFC[m]I could have filed to run for the Illinois House of Representatives with only 50 valid ballot signatures. Aug 23 20:53
DaemonFC[m]People are asking for petition signatures outside Walmart still.Aug 23 20:54
DaemonFC[m]I could have gotten enough that way probably.Aug 23 20:54
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Programming Leftovers []Aug 23 20:55
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: I think that a lot could be done with state laws to deal with Apple's T2 chip.Aug 23 20:55
DaemonFC[m]Right to Repair came up once already and was defeated after Apple lobbying, but it didn't specifically address TPM chips that can lock the user out of a computer.Aug 23 20:56
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schestowitz[20:56] <DaemonFC[m]> Right to Repair came up once already and was defeated after Apple lobbying, but it didn't specifically address TPM chips that can lock the user out of a computer.Aug 23 21:07
schestowitzMicrosoft lobbying alsoAug 23 21:07
schestowitzcapitalism 'works' when people take loans and buy loads of crapAug 23 21:08
schestowitzso repairs are not good in the short runAug 23 21:08
schestowitzfor the 'owners' of the economyAug 23 21:08
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DaemonFC[m]Okay, that takes care of the bathroom. I got something done today.Aug 23 21:50
DaemonFC[m]I stocked up on the disinfectant all purpose cleaner. Mandy says I'm lazy for clearing everything out of the bathroom and going in there with a respirator and two spray bottles and firehosing everything and letting it sit then going through a roll of paper towels wiping it all back down a few minutes later.Aug 23 21:51
DaemonFC[m]Saves a lot of time.Aug 23 21:51
DaemonFC[m]They got rid of maid service with COVID-19 and I wouldn't want them in here anyway.Aug 23 21:52
schestowitzNow it's official 23 21:55
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DaemonFC[m]Yes, it will be from the mypillow guy.Aug 23 22:39
DaemonFC[m]Jesus Christ saved him and now he's here to tell you about homeopathy.Aug 23 22:40
MinceRlolAug 23 22:42
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-TechrightsBot-tr/ | 207,000 Missing Deaths: Tracking the True Toll of the Coronavirus Outbreak - The New York TimesAug 23 22:46
DaemonFC[m]58,000 US deaths not attributed to Coronavirus vs. what the CDC expected from March 1st to August 1st.Aug 23 22:47
DaemonFC[m]18% over baseline. In the UK it's 24%.Aug 23 22:49
DaemonFC[m]So the UK is doing a worse job at tracking Coronavirus deaths.Aug 23 22:49
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DaemonFC[m]They have 5,300 deaths over normal that they have failed to account for, as to why.Aug 23 22:49
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schestowitz[22:40] <DaemonFC[m]> Jesus Christ saved him and now he's here to tell you about homeopathy.Aug 23 23:11
schestowitzshock therapyAug 23 23:11
schestowitzthey die fasterAug 23 23:11
schestowitzfrom electrocutionAug 23 23:11
schestowitzcause of death: electrocutionAug 23 23:11
schestowitzBravo, Captain PenceAug 23 23:11
schestowitzyou nailed it against COVIDAug 23 23:11
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schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: 23 23:25
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schestowitzEd Black: "Aug 23 23:38
schestowitzAlthough this book contains many explosiveAug 23 23:38
schestowitzrevelations and embarrassing episodes about someAug 23 23:38
schestowitzof our society’s most honored individuals andAug 23 23:38
schestowitzinstitutions, I hope its contents will not be misusedAug 23 23:38
schestowitzor quoted out of context by special interests.Aug 23 23:38
schestowitzOpponents of a woman’s right to choose couldAug 23 23:38
schestowitzeasily seize upon Margaret Sanger’s eugenicAug 23 23:38
schestowitzrhetoric to discredit the admirable work ofAug 23 23:38
schestowitzPlanned Parenthood today; I oppose such misuse.Aug 23 23:38
schestowitzDetractors of today’s Rockefeller FoundationAug 23 23:38
schestowitzcould easily apply the facts of their NaziAug 23 23:38
schestowitzconnections to their current programs; I reject theAug 23 23:38
schestowitzlinkage. Those frightened by the prospect of humanAug 23 23:38
schestowitzengineering could invoke the science’s eugenicAug 23 23:38
schestowitzfoundations to condemn all genomic research; thatAug 23 23:38
schestowitzwould be a mistake. While I am as anxious as theAug 23 23:39
schestowitznext person about the prospect of out-of-controlAug 23 23:39
schestowitzgenomics under the thumb of big business, I hopeAug 23 23:39
schestowitzevery genetic advance that helps humanity fightAug 23 23:39
schestowitzdisease will continue as fast and as furiously asAug 23 23:39
schestowitzpossible.Aug 23 23:39
schestowitzThis is the right place to note that virtually allAug 23 23:39
schestowitz"Aug 23 23:39
schestowitz|Aug 23 23:39
schestowitzand must be commended. Planned ParenthoodAug 23 23:39
schestowitzworked with me closely day after day, searchingAug 23 23:39
schestowitzforAug 23 23:39
schestowitz andAug 23 23:39
schestowitz faxingAug 23 23:39
schestowitz documents,Aug 23 23:39
schestowitz continuallyAug 23 23:39
schestowitzdemonstrating their interest in the unvarnishedAug 23 23:39
schestowitztruth. The same can be said for numerous otherAug 23 23:39
schestowitzcorporations and organizations. This is a book ofAug 23 23:39
schestowitzhistory, and corporate and philanthropic AmericaAug 23 23:39
schestowitzmust be commended when they cooperate in anAug 23 23:39
schestowitzinvestigation as aggressive and demanding asAug 23 23:39
schestowitzmine.Aug 23 23:39
schestowitzIndeed, of the scores of societies, corporations,Aug 23 23:39
schestowitzorganizations and governmental agencies IAug 23 23:39
schestowitzcontacted around the world, only one obstructedAug 23 23:39
schestowitzmy work. IBM refused me access to its files.Aug 23 23:39
schestowitzDespite this obstruction, I was able to demonstrateAug 23 23:39
schestowitzthat the race-defining punch card used by the SS inAug 23 23:39
schestowitzNazi Germany was actually derived from oneAug 23 23:39
schestowitzdeveloped for the Carnegie Institution years beforeAug 23 23:39
schestowitzHitler came to power.Aug 23 23:39
schestowitz"Aug 23 23:39
Narratorwell, hitler was a england+usa plan;-) but they success was to huge;-)Aug 23 23:43
DaemonFC[m]I need to go to the doctor.Aug 23 23:58
DaemonFC[m]Found a swollen lymph gland under my armpit in the shower.Aug 23 23:58
DaemonFC[m]Probably need some antibiotics.Aug 23 23:58
DaemonFC[m]I hated going to the doctor before there was COVID-19 and riots.Aug 23 23:59
schestowitzgood luckAug 23 23:59
schestowitztake sanitiserAug 23 23:59
schestowitzwear double mask/sAug 23 23:59

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