IRC: #techrights @ Techrights IRC Network: Thursday, March 24, 2022

CrystalMath

i'm not talking about war i'm talking about *censorship*

CrystalMath

what is with you

MinceR

right, putler calls it "special military operation"

MinceR

also, "peacekeeping"

CrystalMath

well i call it censorship

MinceR

not many people will understand you that way :>

CrystalMath

if the EU is blocking an IP range because of its content, that's called censorship

MinceR

that it is

CrystalMath

and that is something everyone here should oppose

MinceR

and the content being blocked is information warfare, or desinformation

Mar 24 00:31

MinceR

people should also oppose war

Mar 24 00:31

MinceR

and nuclear saberrattling

Mar 24 00:31

CrystalMath

there is no excuse for censorship

Mar 24 00:32

MinceR

indeed, and i'm not sure if they'll accomplish anything with it

Mar 24 00:32

MinceR

and yet i'm not going to help vladolf

Mar 24 00:32

MinceR

he can go fuck himself

Mar 24 00:33

MinceR

he had a hand in fucking up the country where i live, destroying the prospects of my life, and his predecessors also had a hand in fucking up the country where i live, and destroying the mentality of most people who live here

Mar 24 00:33

MinceR

oh, also, i'm already sick and tired of terrorussian propaganda being funnelled to me through various channels, including hungarian state tv channels

Mar 24 00:35

CrystalMath

there is no excuse for censorship

Mar 24 00:36

MinceR

you're barking up the wrong tree

Mar 24 00:37

CrystalMath

really? i thought we're all against censorship here

MinceR

you seem to be stuck in a loop

CrystalMath

you do realize that supporting censorship even ONCE is enough to completely discredit every single time you've spoken against it?

CrystalMath

i don't think you realize it

CrystalMath

you just supported every single instance of it

MinceR

you do realize that supporting putler's invasion of ukraine even once is enough to completely discredit every single time one has spoken against it?

CrystalMath

i don't care about it

MinceR

i know

MinceR

i do

CrystalMath

this is techrights, we care about tech rights

CrystalMath

we care about software freedom

CrystalMath

we care about privacy

CrystalMath

and we care about free access to information

CrystalMath

(free as in freedom)

MinceR

that's nice and all, but there's no information in the cesspits known as sputnik and rt

MinceR

there is only disinformation there

CrystalMath

i confirm RT is not blocked, though

CrystalMath

nor Tass, just sputnik

CrystalMath

anyway, it really doesn't matter what is blocked

CrystalMath

it must not matter

CrystalMath

being anti-censorship means being non-selectively against censoring information

CrystalMath

it means not censoring the flat earth, scientology, you name it

CrystalMath

it doesn't matter how false it is

CrystalMath

a person who is not anti-censorship is pro-censorship

Mar 24 00:42

MinceR

run your mouth all you like, i'm not going to help your favorite dictator in his war

Mar 24 00:42

CrystalMath

i don't need your help, i am pointing out that you don't even belong her

Mar 24 00:43

CrystalMath

*here

Mar 24 00:43

MinceR

then remove me from here

CrystalMath

also, i'm providing this information to techrights to write about and condemn the censorship committed by the EU

MinceR

also, ask XRevan86 about roskomnadzor, since you seem to be on a crusade against censorship

CrystalMath

right, we condemn that already i'm sure

MinceR

you'll be surprised how much of a supporter of censorship vladolf is

MinceR

no, you don't

MinceR

also, he had Navalny poisoned and imprisoned for what he said

CrystalMath

but censoring (some) supporters of censorship means supporting censorship

MinceR

who am i censoring?

MinceR

and how?

CrystalMath

you are indirectly supporting the EU's censorship

CrystalMath

which is contrary to tech rights

CrystalMath

tomorrow, maybe you'll support proprietary extensions in hardware to spy on people

Mar 24 00:46

CrystalMath

because maybe it will find Putin's "agents"

Mar 24 00:46

CrystalMath

see where this is going?

Mar 24 00:46

MinceR

yeah, i see where this is going

Mar 24 00:48

MinceR

you ignore everything that doesn't support putler

Mar 24 00:48

CrystalMath

what?

Mar 24 00:49

CrystalMath

so you literally won't even deny that you would support proprietary spyware

Mar 24 00:49

CrystalMath

i did not expect that

Mar 24 00:49

MinceR

and i'm not even going to dignify that with an answer

CrystalMath

Richard Stallman, i'm sure is strongly against the special operation, but if he said that it would be okay to force proprietary spyware on people to detect "Putin's agents", i would renounce him immediately

CrystalMath

the part about the reason to force proprietary software on people is completely irrelevant, it always was; this must always be opposed

CrystalMath

no matter what you put there

MinceR

blocking IP addresses is perfectly doable with free software tools

Mar 24 00:53

MinceR

and so is disconnecting CheburNet from the Internet

Mar 24 00:53

CrystalMath

it would be shocking if Stallman supported censorship, and that would hurt his image, but it would not be a reason to completely renounce him; it is after all a side issue compared to software freedom

Mar 24 00:54

CrystalMath

we're now talking about proprietary spyware to detect Putin's agents, which is hypothetical today

Mar 24 00:54

CrystalMath

EU censorship was hypothetical yesterday

Mar 24 00:54

MinceR

again, no proprietary spyware is necessary to detect you

Mar 24 00:56

MinceR

any web browser and our public logs would be sufficient

Mar 24 00:56

CrystalMath

the closest i've ever been to Putin is through ReactOS

Mar 24 00:56

CrystalMath

and he never paid me

Mar 24 00:57

CrystalMath

sure, he did donate to ReactOS, but i never took any of that money

Mar 24 00:57

CrystalMath

everything i did there, i did it because my heart told me to

Mar 24 00:57

MinceR

the heart is a poor advisor

Mar 24 00:58

CrystalMath

i don't know if i should be proud or devastated that i'm in such a small group of people holding to a principled stance against censorship

Mar 24 00:58

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Mar 24 00:59

CrystalMath

proud because i'm in it, devastated because it's so small

Mar 24 00:59

MinceR

you're not in any group holding to a principled stance against censorship

Mar 24 00:59

CrystalMath

classic case of projecting ^

Mar 24 01:05

CrystalMath

you're the one who is being unprincipled, you criticize roskomnadzor but not this crap

Mar 24 01:06

MinceR

i've also given my reasons for it

Mar 24 01:06

CrystalMath

you have principles, but anti-censorship is not one of them

Mar 24 01:06

MinceR

you have principles, but anti-censorship is not one of them

Mar 24 01:07

CrystalMath

i oppose censorship in all situations

Mar 24 01:07

CrystalMath

you do not...

Mar 24 01:07

CrystalMath

it's that simple

MinceR

no, you do not

CrystalMath

i'm claiming right now that i do, you literally claim that you do not

MinceR

you're supporting a dictator who engages in heavy censorship all the time, even right now

CrystalMath

i'm not supporting the censorship part, and i never did

Mar 24 01:29

CrystalMath

also, my support of these governments is selective, not complete

Mar 24 01:30

CrystalMath

the important thing is to be firm on anti-censorship

Mar 24 01:30

MinceR

curious how the important things get selected

Mar 24 01:35

MinceR

like how the most important freedom is to be unvaccinated against the God-Virus but other pathogens don't matter

Mar 24 01:35

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Mar 24 01:42

CrystalMath

the important thing is to be firm on anti-censorship

Mar 24 01:44

CrystalMath

this really puts all viruses in the shade

Mar 24 01:44

MinceR

funny how that works

Mar 24 01:45

CrystalMath

the serbian sputniknews website says that the outage in serbia is due to DDoS

Mar 24 01:48

CrystalMath

but that does not explain how no IP in sweden, germany, or austria can open it

Mar 24 01:48

CrystalMath

whereas USA, brazil, and mexico open it immediately

Mar 24 01:48

CrystalMath

see, the US is actually sticking to its free speech principles

CrystalMath

and this is very, very commendable

MinceR

read up on their policy on BDS, then

MinceR

also, read up on this >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anycast

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Anycast - Wikipedia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censorship_in_the_United_States

CrystalMath

the US may ban the implementation of israel boycotts, but it does not ban speech

Mar 24 01:51

CrystalMath

nobody's perfect, but being adamant on anti-censorship is commendable and it's great for the US's image

Mar 24 01:55

MinceR

Mar 24 01:55

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Censorship in the United States - Wikipedia

Mar 24 01:55

MinceR

being a hypocrite on anti-censorship, less so

Mar 24 01:56

CrystalMath

this is way better than the EU

Mar 24 01:57

MinceR

it probably is, but perfect it ain't

Mar 24 01:57

CrystalMath

the EU has literally taken it upon itself to build their own great firewall

Mar 24 01:57

activelow

why is it, i do fear to say, that i do _not_ believe Putin or any Russian military supposedly ordered to shoot civilians (which some video was shown in evening news)

Mar 24 01:58

CrystalMath

activelow: because it's bullcrap

Mar 24 01:58

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MinceR

the soldiers did it in their free time?

CrystalMath

it did not happen of course

MinceR

they were on vacation, like in crimea in 2014?

activelow

CrystalMath: do you think russian military did this, shooting civilian passengers? i do not believe, yet i do not know because i hadn't been there.

Mar 24 02:00

CrystalMath

activelow: of course not

Mar 24 02:00

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Mar 24 02:13

matey

ill bite, how are we fighting censorship today? and how does it help putler

Mar 24 02:15

matey

to crystalmath and mincer respectively

Mar 24 02:16

MinceR

by spreading putler's disinformation so that he can win the war, apparently

Mar 24 02:16

MinceR

and take over ukraine, and encroach on the freedom of speech of even more people

Mar 24 02:16

matey

who is censoring putlers disinformation (im not sceptical about the part that putler is spreading disinformation, ive seen it)

MinceR

allegedly the EU is blocking various terrorussian propaganda sites

matey

it sets a bad precedent

MinceR

earlier i've heard of RT but i'm not sure if that's blocked; allegedly sputnik is being blocked now

MinceR

it does

matey

(and not for the first time-- meaning technically its a not a precedent)

MinceR

and i'm not sure if it actually helps

matey

so we are in agreement

matey

but what is crystalmath trying to do about it

MinceR

are people who go to RT and sputnik for "news" likely to oppose vladolf, ever?

MinceR

apparently he wants Roy to set up a mirror or something

matey

this is the first ive heard of rt being pro putler, i thought they were leftish (for russia i mean)

MinceR

also, i suspect that they're spreading more propaganda over social control media and chat

matey

granteed i havent seen rt in a year or two

matey

also, i suspect that they're spreading more propaganda over social control media and chat <- no, only the americans do that. russians would never...

matey

MinceR

and we already know how well outlets like dumbFuckBook help stop the spread of neofascist propaganda

matey

nazibook?

MinceR

yeah

matey

heh

MinceR

faecesbook

matey

fascistbook

matey

zuck is jewish, i assume hes just trying to look edgy

MinceR

no, he's just trying to get even richer

MinceR

cambridge analytica was also merely driving engagement for him

MinceR

and who cares if the usa loses rule of law

matey

certainly not he

MinceR

(what rule of law it had, anyway)

matey

ineded

Mar 24 02:21

matey

indeed

Mar 24 02:21

matey

im in the dark about how youre pro-censorship on this

Mar 24 02:21

matey

maybe rt would explain it to me, IF I COULD GO THERE

MinceR

by not wanting to help host mirrors of terrorussian propaganda sites

matey

so youre not pro-censorship, youre neutral on mirroring

matey

crystalmath has boolean trouble sometimes

MinceR

i don't care if he does it

matey

i mean dont we all

matey

but this is an example of it

MinceR

the hungarian government already translates and rebroadcasts every lie that comes out of terrorussia

matey

so there isnt much for you to do about it then

MinceR

and millions of hungarian idiots believe every letter of it

MinceR

nope

matey

if you wanted to be a dick about it

MinceR

all i can do is wait for the human species to kill itself off and see how they choose to do it

matey

and im not saying you do, but just for the sake of argument

matey

and im not saying i do either-- but just to make a semi-useful point

matey

you could turn crystalmaths argument against them

MinceR

he doesn't listen to reason

matey

and say "if youre so anti-censorship why dont you go mirror something USEFUL that is being censored"

matey

thats the first part

matey

the second part is

MinceR

i guess to him it's useful

matey

you accuse them of being PRO-CENSORSHIP about more important things, because instead theyre only helping putler

matey

after all, we cant mirror everything right?

MinceR

presumably it's less work to become vladolf putler's slave in serbia if putler just marches through ukraine and hungary and takes over serbia

matey

so why choose to save putler from this oh-so-important thing

MinceR

than just moving to terrorussia

matey

but of course that would be dickish

matey

and we are trying to set a good example here

matey

i think

MinceR

it's because he thought he finally found a way to get freedom-respecting people to help putler's crusade against freedom

matey

well they admit their bias

matey

so i think this is more about bias than about censorship, but thats just my take on it

matey

its technically about censorship too...

matey

but since none of us are waving a flag for censorship here, what do they want

Mar 24 02:27

CrystalMath

matey: i never asked MinceR to host it

Mar 24 02:27

matey

what do you actually want from him though

Mar 24 02:27

CrystalMath

to have the principle of anti-censorship that this place is supposed to have

matey

and how is he falling short of that in your opinion

CrystalMath

by not condemning EU censorship

matey

i think technically he did condemn it, just not very passionately

CrystalMath

it's pretty bad, they've opened pandora's box

matey

he said it sets a bad precedent

matey

thats technically condemnation

matey

this isnt a nitpick, i think it counts

MinceR

no, they opened pandora's box when they stood idle while orban and kaczynski turned 2 member states into dictatorships

matey

heh

MinceR

and they even handed those dictators money to help prop up their regimes

matey

some people want mincer to stop being a smartass

matey

other people would like to ban being a smartass

matey

to them i say, if we outlaw being a smartass, then only dumbasses will be smartasses

MinceR

lol

matey

this channel needs at least one smartass that isnt a dumbass

Mar 24 02:31

matey

thats why we have mincer

Mar 24 02:31

matey

also mincer is the only reason tha someday, somehow, this chat will not be hosted on something running systemd

matey

even if it takes another 15 years

MinceR

lol

MinceR

i have no influence on that

matey

ive noticed!

matey

and youve only been trying since 2000-fucking-11

matey

someone should give you a fucking medal

matey

youre like the smedley butler of gnu/linux distributions

matey

i dont even think denis roio gave a shit about systemd in 2011

MinceR

lol

matey

though i dont know that he didnt

MinceR

i doubt that i knew about it before he did

Mar 24 02:34

matey

i wish crystalmath had cared about all the censorship that went into THAT takeover

Mar 24 02:34

matey

bceause it lasted for years

Mar 24 02:34

matey

well the thing is, systemd never affected me until it came into debian

matey

and that was a non-issue until late 2014

matey

and i switched to devuan in early 2015, when roio put out a pre-alpha iso

matey

heres the sad part

matey

devuan never (to the best of my knowledge) put out a better version than roios pre-alpha

matey

its a bit like reactos

matey

cool idea, only the oldest versions were of any use to me at all

matey

after the audit i couldnt find any real hardware to boot it

matey

this isnt technically reactoss fault though

matey

with all the russian devs involved its probably putlers :)

matey

^ im joking

MinceR

the systemd cultists acted faster than devuan could accumulate workforce

matey

yes that was part of it

matey

the systemdouches are the root cause

matey

i wont get into everything wrong with devuan itself

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matey

but it was a good idea

MinceR

probably the last GNU/Linux distro with stable releases and no systemd left is Slackware, and it releases so rarely its stable releases aren't always practical to run

MinceR

last time i installed it i had to install -current because the kernel that shipped with 14.2 was too old to support my hardware

matey

i no longer use "practical" and "linux" in the same sentence (unless its like when i did exactly that, just now)

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MinceR

as such, there aren't really enough people who care for stable GNU/Linux to be maintained anymore

matey

linux wont give you freedom 3 (disputed, immibis has a counterexample)

MinceR

but then, MICROS~1 and ibm/deadrat are destroying Linux too

matey

there aren't really enough people who care for stable GNU/Linux to be maintained anymore <- those who care are looking at other options

matey

this is the sad truth

MinceR

yeah

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matey

but imo, linux was a counterrevolution already 20 years ago

matey

systemd is just the icing on the cake

matey

its thick icing, and the result is like that website with terribly looking cupcake shit all over the place

matey

whatever the name is-- cakedistasters, something like that

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matey

what linux is really like on the inside, systemd brings to the surface-- and then adds its own layer on top of that

Mar 24 02:41

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Mar 24 02:41

matey

it shouldnt even be called gnu/linux

matey

it should be called gnu/antignu

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matey

you put them together and your computer...

matey

well gnu/systemd at least should be called gnu/antignu

matey

there is no linux, there is only fuul

MinceR

it's systemd/Linux

matey

soon to be systemd/kerneld

MinceR

though since Linus stood aside, perhaps kroah-hartmanux or systemd-kerneld is a better name for the kernel

matey

technically he was brushed aside

https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/24/nvidia_intel_chips/

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matey

but yes, he certainly hasnt struggled to come back

matey

after stallman does state of free software, linus should do state of the kernel

matey

which one will be worse? i guess we will find out in april

MinceR

i don't think Linus gets to speek freely anymore

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matey

someone should remake batman (the adam west one, as if there were others) but with free software people

Mar 24 02:45

MinceR

yet another batman remake?

Mar 24 02:45

matey

its not a remake if adam west is in it

Mar 24 02:45

matey

granted, theyll have to speed up the action scenes with camera magic

matey

maybe they can animate it

AdmFubar

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matey

munroe is dead to me

MinceR

same

AdmFubar

batman by ouija board?

matey

is he dead?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=15nNY7uofNw

MinceR

Mar 24 02:48

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Mar 24 02:48

AdmFubar

adam west dies I think a couple of years ago

Mar 24 02:49

matey

perfect spokesman for linux then

Mar 24 02:50

matey

/me hopes they bring him back in a later issue

Mar 24 02:50

AdmFubar

https://www.wired.com/story/viasat-internet-hack-ukraine-russia/

Mar 24 02:53

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Mar 24 02:53

matey

/me hopes this hack was more useful than just broadcasting a bunch of hearts

Mar 24 02:53

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matey

the only thing that bothers me about apple silicon is this

matey

most of the time, when you want to address the cpu, you use machine code or asm or something like that

matey

and the m1 makes you use the mouse instead

matey

tbh its very inefficient

MinceR

you buy a real computer and use that instead

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matey

"the first cpu with its own low-level gui" jobs would be so proud

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MinceR

so would dave cutler

matey

/me double-clicks some 64-bit registers

matey

this could take a while...

MinceR

they've gone from bloating the kernel with a GUI to bloating the CPU with a GUI

matey

its really a throwback to the pdp when you had to toggle the bootloader in on the front panel

Mar 24 03:00

matey

but with rounded corners and a chrome-covered mouse its just so much cooler

Mar 24 03:00

matey

ive seriously been waiting this long for a user-friendly cpu though

Mar 24 03:01

matey

i mean, finally!

Mar 24 03:01

matey

plus it comes in different colours. why the hell didnt intel think of that?

Mar 24 03:01

matey

most importantly though

matey

its a cpu with a big fucking apple logo on it

matey

its about fucking time.

matey

their next cpu will also be a phone :)

MinceR

but how does the cultist show off the logo on the cpu?

MinceR

have they figured out a way to cool it without covering a logo?

matey

mincer: see-thru heatsink made of transparent aluminium

MinceR

or have they went the usual route and just forgot about cooling?

MinceR

i don't think that has been invented yet

matey

its just a holdover until tim cook can invent see-thru chrome

MinceR

tim crook can't invent shit

matey

buy honestly, they have 1-way mirrors so it shouldnt be too hard

MinceR

he can't even innovate his cult

matey

tim crook can't invent shit <- this is why they need a holdover

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MinceR

"1-way mirrors" are mostly glass

MinceR

and glass doesn't conduct heat well

matey

ah, but

MinceR

then again, crApple "engineers" wouldn't care if it did anyway

matey

if you heat the glass...

MinceR

they didn't mind building an alleged phone with an antenna that the user would normally short-circuit

Mar 24 03:05

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Mar 24 03:05

matey

"we made a phone that looks good and has the best features-- and you want it to WORK, too? theres just no pleasing you people"

MinceR

lol

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matey

"engineers" they prefer the term "creatives"

MinceR

if you want a phone that looks good, has the best features and works, go to the competition

MinceR

sadly, LG has given up the fight

matey

i know

MinceR

as the slogan for the V50 said, "What's it gonna take?"

matey

i had a phone from them that was barely bigger than a zippo lighter (it was large enough to be more ergonomic than that)

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matey

it was cheap, reliable, and had JUST ENOUGH browser capability for what i needed on a phone

matey

needless to say i dont do much browsing on a phone

MinceR

samsung knows that's it gonna take: 1. make fun of some misfeature in the hypePhone 2. wait a little 3. copy that same misfeature into a galaxy phone 4. ??? 5. profit!

matey

but when i had to get a new phone eventually, that went by the wayside

Mar 24 03:08

matey

samsung: 1. make phone smaller 2. forget to scale battery down to fit 3. squeeze it in like packing a suitcase full of 2 kardashian wardrobes 4. put customers on no-fly list

Mar 24 03:09

matey

brilliant engineering. those people should work at apple.

Mar 24 03:09

MinceR

wasn't that more of a case of deciding to add a stylus to the Note version but refusing to make room for it?

matey

honestly do not know

matey

all i can tell you is, i know which priority matters more to my design sensibilities

matey

1. doesnt burst into a flames? check. 2. room for stylus? oh well, fuck it

MinceR

Mar 24 03:11

MinceR

it could have been a bit bigger than the S (which is expected of a Note), or it could have had less battery

Mar 24 03:11

matey

to be fair, the engineer did go to school

Mar 24 03:11

matey

the "why you should never cram batteries into ill-fitting enclosures" lecture was on a day they missed

Mar 24 03:12

matey

or it could have had less battery <- but that would piss off the customers, so lets just take our chances

Mar 24 03:13

matey

im waiting for someone to put the battery in the cpu

Mar 24 03:14

matey

they used to (shit you not) put the clock battery IN THE CLOCK (not usually, i saw this on a repair video of an old x86)

Mar 24 03:14

matey

it was a combination clock chip / battery. genius!

Mar 24 03:15

matey

less solder points to the board, maybe. who knows

Mar 24 03:16

matey

i always think these things happen when someone loses a bet

Mar 24 03:16

matey

"hold my beer"

Mar 24 03:16

MinceR

yeah

Mar 24 03:17

matey

poettering: "i bet you cant do worse than this!"

Mar 24 03:19

matey

samsung: "hold my beer"

Mar 24 03:19

MinceR

well, they do use kdbus and systemd in tizen, iirc

matey

ugh

MinceR

though i'm not sure if they're still trying to sell tizen phones

matey

my only (academic, hypothetical) interest in tizen was "maybe no systemd)

matey

if they're still trying to sell tizen phones <- obviously not, unless ibm buys them first

matey

didnt facebook have some server design a while back?

MinceR

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

matey

if anybody wants something worse than applie silicon...

matey

maybe facebook will make a cpu too :)

MinceR

or MICROS~1

https://www.techdirt.com/2022/03/23/clearview-is-laundering-its-reputation-by-offering-its-ai-to-ukraines-government/

matey

of course it will constantly upload the contents of the cpu registers to their servers

Mar 24 03:23

matey

for advertising of course

Mar 24 03:23

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Mar 24 03:24

matey

clearview-is-laundering-its-reputation-by-offering-its-ai-to-ukraines-government <- buncha fucking humanitarians

matey

like when halliburton went to build shit in iraq

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matey

/me would like to see a REAL standoff with apple and google

matey

that would be epic

matey

samsung has their own military, so theres little doubt who the victor would be

Mar 24 03:27

matey

google can lease the pentagon, but it doesnt REALLY belong to them

Mar 24 03:27

MinceR

the real news: crApple Somehow Managed to Find Something to Cripple In Its Own Product

Mar 24 03:27

matey

they had a reverse bug bounty

matey

"help us find something that works!"

MinceR

gulag and crApple have both made at least one pact with the federal state

MinceR

they're both in PRISM, for example

matey

of course

MinceR

and i doubt samsung wants south korea to go to war with the USA

Mar 24 03:29

matey

no but this was purely hypothetical and for fun

matey

i like that you considered the serious ramifications of it

MinceR

matey

i was thinking something along the lines of a comic strip

matey

i did try setting up a gemini server in openbsd by the way

matey

using vger

matey

ive checked and rechecked the configuration

matey

im sure i did it all right, only thing is, it doesnt work

activelow

MinceR> probably the last GNU/Linux distro with stable releases and no systemd left is Slackware <- you forgot Gentoo

psydruid

Void and Adélie?

MinceR

Gentoo never had releases

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MinceR

Void is rolling as well

matey

this is a native server that hooks into whatever majoogly inet business instead of reinventing the wheel

activelow

and the last distro which removes _all_ of it (dbus): it is mine, which i named BaphometOS

MinceR

Funtoo was experimenting with some release-like thing but it didn't seem to do much

matey

BaphometOS <- if someone forks it they can call it horny linux

Mar 24 03:35

matey

and have a toad as the mascot

Mar 24 03:35

MinceR

i don't know adelie

Mar 24 03:36

matey

/me thinks it would be epic if you could download BaphometOS, with the build scripts and source

Mar 24 03:36

activelow

i am thinking to tailor this for raspberry, for broader audience

Mar 24 03:36

matey

youre really going to put it online?

matey

that would be a coup

MinceR

would it?

activelow

not really, because coordination of development efforts is a nightmare

activelow

given, i downgraded to gcc-4.7 for the sake of c++ remove from base-system

matey

mincer: from someone who says routinely that linux has no future

activelow

guess, how much mainline support anywhere was remaining? with Kernel, GCC...

matey

a distro that showed everything wrong with it would be a coup. yes

MinceR

it's not a fork of the krenel, is it?

MinceR

s/kre/ker/

matey

i mean a coup in terms of a stunt

activelow

the kernel required treatment too

MinceR

it's not violent enough to be a coup

matey

linux would still have no future, it wouldnt fix that

matey

i dont think activelow believes linux has a future either

matey

this isnt a fix, its a demo

activelow

and the plan is, to fully replace GCC with TinyCC, which is alot of efforts remaining

activelow

matey: both GCC and Linux arrived at where i am not willing to git-pull anymore

Mar 24 03:39

matey

MinceR: i see this as an enormous middle finger to the industry, even if only as an art project

Mar 24 03:40

matey

but it would make a list of interesting points about the direction of gnu/linux

Mar 24 03:40

activelow

currently, i consider the incentive for a full release with coordinated development efforts too low, if GCC can't be fully removed

Mar 24 03:40

activelow

and TinyCC is a huge task

activelow

another issue is: hardware support

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matey

i consider the incentive for a full release with coordinated development efforts <- i think it would be epic just to put the sources and build scripts up, with or without an iso

matey

or img

matey

but if you put it online, what would you use for a repo?

Mar 24 03:42

activelow

git, and i follow gentoo development practices as best as i can, although it is simply too many patches to fully meet QA of theirs

Mar 24 03:42

matey

git what though? lots of gits online

matey

im sure youre not going to self host it

matey

too expensive

matey

lots of gits online <- understatement of the year

activelow

i'll not push anywhere; i had asked @gentoo for some little git-space and an overlay

matey

i had asked @gentoo for some little git-space and an overlay <- cool

activelow

anyway, i am using and refining this for 3years already, recently having removed c++

Mar 24 03:45

activelow

a moment ago patched some bugs in nilfs2 userspace utilities, tomorrow i need to review some linking issue

activelow

since, gcc/ld since recently added some stuff, which i am not sure where it came from

activelow

^ another reason, to depart, given what i had seen

matey

yeah, even the filename / function name looked like a perl one liner :)

activelow

linker decides to add stuff, which isn't used, and which i didn't ask for, yet it's there

Mar 24 03:47

matey

systemd-compilerd

Mar 24 03:47

activelow

far worse: systemd can be removed, gcc can't be

Mar 24 03:49

matey

there was a time when no one thought it was a problem that gcc wasnt optional

Mar 24 03:50

matey

then c++ wasnt optional for compiling c, and i do think thats a bit like the systemd-ification of gcc

Mar 24 03:50

matey

im not sure, but it seems a bit wrong for c++ to be needed to compile c

Mar 24 03:51

matey

the thing is, systemd wasnt an entirely new idea

Mar 24 03:51

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matey

it was an old idea, a bad idea, and it worked as predicted

matey

this is an anti-pattern. seeing it take over the core of all free software is bad.

matey

maybe in 10 years techrights will talk about the problems with gcc

Mar 24 03:53

matey

i dont blame roy for not getting excited about it just yet, im still not sure whether its worth a panic

Mar 24 03:53

matey

but it does seem like a dubious direction for gcc (on top of all the other problems with gcc these days)

Mar 24 03:53

matey

in 10 years, but probably sooner, gnu and gcc will start to look more and more like linux and systemd

Mar 24 03:54

matey

like something thats too late to fix

Mar 24 03:55

matey

as with linux, there arent enough developers that give a shit about these problems-- so the fact that its TECHNICALLY fixable isnt very relevant

Mar 24 03:55

matey

it wont get fixed

Mar 24 03:55

matey

but id be thrilled to be wrong

matey

linux wont be forked, little of gnu will be salvaged

activelow

TinyCC is GPLed

matey

everything drifts towards microsoft and ibm, not away

matey

TinyCC is GPLed <- gpl doesnt bother me

activelow

yet, GPL does not protect against malice

matey

GPL does not protect against malice <- gpl is the wrong tool to protect against everything that can possibly happen to free software

matey

it can only cover some things

matey

its like a firewall

matey

anyone that thinks you can just buy a firewall and never worry about security again is very silly

matey

the gpl is no different, it can only do so much

matey

no matter how many upgrades it gets, the only way you have freedom is with eternal vigilance

matey

this doesnt mean the gpl is useless, just limited

matey

like any other single solution is limited

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Mar 24 03:59

matey

its a shame that rms never cared about unix philosophy

Mar 24 04:06

matey

gnu would have fared better for longer

Mar 24 04:06

matey

it honestly would have-- it would be easier to salvage now

Mar 24 04:06

activelow

which was the last GCC compiler version RMS was actively involved with? gcc 2.7? if, then this was different software quality than what it mutated into.

Mar 24 04:07

matey

rms stopped coding a very long time ago

Mar 24 04:07

matey

he became just a project manager

Mar 24 04:08

matey

also gcc was built on the idea that even if the quality was... [insert whatever word fits here] you had the freedom to improve it

Mar 24 04:08

matey

which got it this far, at least

Mar 24 04:08

matey

unpopular opinion: most of the gnu developers arent that useful to the continuation of gnu

matey

im trying REALLY hard to be fair here.

matey

100% fair

matey

there must be a few good ones.

matey

historically i dont think theres a more important operating system, unless you count unix

matey

and i think gnu is at least better than HISTORICAL unix

matey

(so is bsd)

CrystalMath

matey: i did not care about systemd censorship??

CrystalMath

i was one of the first few people on #debianfork

matey

CrystalMath: to be fair, technically thats untrue perhaps

matey

its more of a barbed comment than a truth

CrystalMath

i care about all censorship

matey

<CrystalMath> i was one of the first few people on #debianfor <- i was unaware of that

matey

i only had your most recent comments on the subject to go on

matey

probably wouldnt have made that comment if i knew you were an early initfreedom fighter

matey

fair enough

CrystalMath

i think the best challenge is when you have to face like, cases where not censoring causes you pain

CrystalMath

that really shows whether you're truly for freedom of speech or not

matey

thats a fair argument

matey

it could lead to some silly examples but

matey

as a principle, yes, i think theres truth to it

Mar 24 04:14

CrystalMath

i had a situation where i myself had the power to censor people who were saying awful things to a person i like

Mar 24 04:14

matey

when lives are at stake, i DO focus on uncensoring truth more than i focus on uncensoring weaponised bullshit

Mar 24 04:14

CrystalMath

and, while i did try some gymnastics in my head to find a way to justify it, ultimately i didn't

matey

this might even be a reasonable exception to your principle

CrystalMath

so i passed the test

CrystalMath

MinceR did not

matey

i mean, ultiately, we shouldnt censor bullshit either

matey

well i think youre being unfair to mincer

matey

hes closer to neutral and really, on the same side of the debate as you

matey

but you talk like hes on the other side, and he isnt

Mar 24 04:16

matey

mostly it shows how far you are on one side

Mar 24 04:16

matey

at least its the side i think is the right side

Mar 24 04:16

CrystalMath

well, yes, i'm quite a free speech extremist

matey

and that doesnt bother me too much

matey

its really a matter of whether im going to go that far personally

matey

i dont prioritise uncensoring weaponised bullshit over truth, just because im less comfortable with bullshit

matey

technically, you seem to be making that argument.

matey

but we at least agree that censoring things for being bullshit is a dangerous idea

matey

one we shouldnt base the internet on, for example

CrystalMath

if you think western media is telling the truth, you're extremely wrong

matey

that imo puts us on the same side of the debate

CrystalMath

there is also the fact that on the topic of russia-ukraine, i know people who are independent journalists who actually went over there

matey

if you think western media is telling the truth, you're extremely wrong <- im not saying we should uncensor the west and not give a shit about the rest

CrystalMath

who are there even now

CrystalMath

i trust what they say, and it definitely matches up more what you'd find on RT than what you'd find on CNN

CrystalMath

not that it matches anything perfectly

matey

weve there is also the fact that on the topic of russia-ukraine, i know people who are independent journalists who actually went over there <- i have something to say about that

Mar 24 04:22

matey

what you do with the independent journalism you have access to, is make moral judgements the rest of us consider limited and one-sided and then preach to us as though your morals are superior

Mar 24 04:23

matey

which youre free to do obviously

Mar 24 04:23

matey

but if you want to help those journalists, really

Mar 24 04:23

matey

the best thing you could do is tell us what theyre reporting

matey

then we will make our own decisions

matey

id be interested in what they have to say.

matey

im less interested in your conclusions based on what they say, though sometimes i read those as well

CrystalMath

well that would be rather long, it's not the topic of techrights

matey

if you put it in #techpol for example

CrystalMath

i'm just saying i have reasons to trust RT more than CNN

matey

it will be logged, and you can point to it

matey

and other people in there (where applicable) can comment

matey

i'm just saying i have reasons to trust RT more than CNN <- i think its been a year or two since i bothered looking at cnn

matey

but i know its just an example

matey

and then before that, it was probably another year or two

Mar 24 04:26

matey

gives you an idea how often i pay attention to cnn

Mar 24 04:26

matey

and furthermore, i dont think most of the people in here rely on a single source, or single view anywya

Mar 24 04:26

matey

so theyre already looking for other reports

Mar 24 04:27

matey

just not being preached at in terms of politics (which again, youre free to do-- whether its completely ineffective or not)

Mar 24 04:27

CrystalMath

yes, well, MinceR always did that, for example with freenode and Andrew Lee

Mar 24 04:27

CrystalMath

but not when it hurts him

matey

again, i think your expectations of mincer are a bit much

matey

i recommend giving the longer version at #techpolg

matey

minus the g

matey

you can actually refer to sections of the chat by timestamp even

matey

using the mouse

matey

feel free to post links to #techpol here, no ones going to stop you

CrystalMath

techrights is like the best free media, and yet sometimes it disappoints me...

matey

of course im not telling you what to do, im only suggesting something that would allow us to benefit more from your journalist friends

CrystalMath

like when schestowitz called ivermectin "horse dewormer"

matey

techrights is like the best free media, and yet sometimes it disappoints me... <- my opinion of it is lower than yours

CrystalMath

i'm not even that optimistic about ivermectin

CrystalMath

but it's definitely a drug made for humans...

CrystalMath

only CNN made up the horse dewormer line

matey

but it's definitely a drug made for humans... <- right, made for but not dosed for, but you know that

matey

not dosed for <- in terms of available supply that is

matey

they dose it for humans too

matey

and i remember that when you talked about it

matey

you acknowledged that the research linking it to possible treatment was very hypothetical

matey

at least i seem to think so

CrystalMath

it's definitely far from the magic some make it out to be

Mar 24 04:32

CrystalMath

but i take back what i said about it being possibly dangerous

Mar 24 04:33

CrystalMath

ivermectin is very safe, and will help against parasites

Mar 24 04:33

CrystalMath

there are hypothetical mechanism about how it could be harmful, but it seems that in practice, experiments have shown a high degree of safety

Mar 24 04:34

matey

on medical matters, youd do better to link to research papers than journalism

Mar 24 04:36

matey

of course if it doesnt matter, you can just say whatever

Mar 24 04:36

matey

but for something where people are dying due to self-dosing and getting banned from twitter for mentioning it

Mar 24 04:36

matey

research papers are better than journalism

Mar 24 04:37

CrystalMath

i possibly linked to a pubmed about it being safe, somewhere

Mar 24 04:37

CrystalMath

i certainly read it

Mar 24 04:38

matey

thats the sort of link youd want to post here, as long youre commenting on it

Mar 24 04:38

matey

strictly optional-- just helps support what youre saying

Mar 24 04:39

AdmFubar

they get banned from mentioning that they died?

AdmFubar

O_o

matey

matey

banned for mentioning ivermectin

http://pi.wecraftalot.com/

matey

but yes, the people who mentioned it were in fact the same ones who died

Mar 24 04:42

matey

obviously jack dorsey doesnt want that sort of thing to get out

Mar 24 04:42

matey

that the internet can communicate with the afterlife is top secret shit

Mar 24 04:42

matey

the twitter tos actually forbids the non-living to use twitter to communicate with the living

Mar 24 04:44

matey

but only the version of twitter in the afterlife shows that clause

Mar 24 04:44

matey

what would be interesting is if the veil worked both ways

Mar 24 04:45

matey

and the dead had no idea that there are living people

Mar 24 04:45

matey

except for some who hold seances, and all the dead think its just hooey

Mar 24 04:45

matey

"pfft, theres no before-death, thats just a fairy tale"

Mar 24 04:46

matey

"i believe that before death, you simply dont exist, and thats it"

Mar 24 04:46

AdmFubar

Mar 24 04:49

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matey

Ariadne alpine is based on something other than gnu libc right?

Mar 24 05:06

matey

any idea if alpine can be compiled with tinycc?

Mar 24 05:06

matey

not important, so if you dont know off the top of your head, dont worry about it-- but you might

Mar 24 05:06

matey

either way it still uses linux, and linux cant compile with tinycc, so

Mar 24 05:07

matey

/me shrugs but the rest of it perhaps

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"A significant follow-up to one of the biggest Linux stories, the Pandora's box the MIT Technology Review claims open-source devs just opened, and Linux on the M1 finally ships." https://www.jupiterbroadcasting.com/148007/linux-action-news-233/

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"I have been fortunate that for the last two years I've been working from home, with maybe a once a quarter trip to the mother ship, I mean office. Web work has its advantages." gemini://midnight.pub/posts/857

Mar 24 05:45

schestowitz

(cat)

Mar 24 05:46

schestowitz

gemini://nytpu.com/sneps/D181.jpg

Mar 24 05:46

schestowitz

(cat) gemini://nytpu.com/cheetahs/D539.jpg

Mar 24 05:46

matey

the rms talk is going to be generic and feature nothing groundbreaking

Mar 24 05:48

matey

probability: 95%

Mar 24 05:49

matey

theres always a chance it wont be

Mar 24 05:49

matey

for bonus points, it might actually dismiss the importance of something important

Mar 24 05:50

matey

but only half a point if someone else manages to bring it up. then of course it will be dismissed

Mar 24 05:51

matey

the fsf is practically set in stone now-- THAT is the state of free software

Mar 24 05:52

techrights-news

Better to just use WINE https://www.ctrl.blog/entry/how-to-win11-in-gnome-boxes.html

Mar 24 05:55

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Mar 24 05:55

matey

there are two things im willing to hype: people doing something new and promising, and people making damned good efforts to preserve something the way it is

Mar 24 05:55

matey

constant compromise can hype itself (and typically does)

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schestowitz-TR

there may be q and a

schestowitz-TR

those can be more interesting

schestowitz-TR

as the questions are not predictable

schestowitz-TR

and new suibjects get brought up

matey

i think they have a pretty good script ready for q and a

Mar 24 06:00

matey

q and a is like how a ninja can outjump a bullet

Mar 24 06:00

matey

theyre not faster than a bullet, they just know one important thing

Mar 24 06:00

matey

the bullet goes where the gun is pointed-- you only have to be faster than the gunmans hand (which is still faster than most people)

matey

similarly, there are only so many things the fsf is NOT doing that people are likely to stump them with

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matey

you prepare for those questions, and there wont be anything out of left field really

matey

i think this is basic media training

matey

i have good reason to be cynical, ive been watching for years

techrights-news

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matey

if nothing else, ask mincer

matey

he has a good idea of what the fsf is going to do

matey

but the silver lining is we could both be wrong

techrights-news

"The nds32 architecture ends its tenure in the Linux kernel." https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/CAK8P3a0DeZ4Gx6fOqLkjmA7kNYW5ZHq8BUpWTXXdqdtxcHRNLg@mail.gmail.com/

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matey

i think the fsf is like lucy holding a football for charlie brown

matey

he knows shes going to pull the ball up and hes going to kick nothing and fall on his arse

matey

he even says this and she swears it wont happen

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matey

every time, it gets more and more cynical. sometimes, lucy tries that much harder to convince him, and he runs and kicks---

matey

and she does it again

matey

its not the fsf, its a hype machine where the fsf used to be

matey

leah is more optimistic, about zoe

Mar 24 06:05

matey

i dont share the optimism, but i think if anyone is likely to prove me wrong, its going to be someone leah thinks has potential

Mar 24 06:05

matey

we will find out in april, obviously

Mar 24 06:06

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kingoffrance

its kind of an idiotic article Rust and Swift cannot simply speak their native and comfortable tongues

kingoffrance

so unless your cpu has native rust and swift instructions, you dont have real hardware

kingoffrance

people who dont understand conway's law, sky is blue

kingoffrance

people who think they are immune, just another lee again lol

kingoffrance

one can wonder when they create this specialized modern rust and swift hardware, where that will leave other languages

Mar 24 06:40

kingoffrance

they will do the same exact thing they are whining about to everyone else

Mar 24 06:40

matey

people who dont understand conway's law <- hey, you said that about me

kingoffrance

a bunch of companies called the Aspen Group settled on a programming model for 64-bit Unix and Unix-like OSes called LP64, also known as "4/8/8". Unfortunately, 64-bit Microsoft Windows uses a different model, called LLP64 or "4/4/8"

kingoffrance

c is neutral on this

kingoffrance

their complaint is that C is not "hardcoded for a pdp-11"

kingoffrance

they want a hardcoded xyz hardware

Mar 24 06:42

kingoffrance

*language for xyz hardware

Mar 24 06:42

matey

Mar 24 06:43

kingoffrance

yes, they are whining c is too flexible

Mar 24 06:43

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Mar 24 06:44

kingoffrance

C didnt define an ABI there, they want something that does

Mar 24 06:44

kingoffrance

i.e. they want a "fast pdp-11" or whatever model they think is ideal

Mar 24 06:44

matey

who is they

matey

aspen?

kingoffrance

"Rust and Swift cannot simply speak their native and comfortable tongues" good question

kingoffrance

this is a non-sequitor

kingoffrance

the peanut gallery it looks like

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kingoffrance

strawman argumetn, from strawmen people

Mar 24 06:46

kingoffrance

conway's law lol

Mar 24 06:46

kingoffrance

(linked) "The only way to fix this in reality is defining your own C library implementation that had aggressive symbol versioning support from the implementation and an investment in forward compatibility. " they are whining that noone put in the work

Mar 24 06:49

kingoffrance

i.e. they dont like implementations, not the "language". it is word games -- they are unable to separaet implementations from standards

Mar 24 06:50

kingoffrance

when you dont have standards, then implementations are "languages"

Mar 24 06:50

matey

yes

Mar 24 06:50

matey

do you suppose that "and an investment in forward compatibility" really means "and a divestment in backwards compatibility"

Mar 24 06:51

matey

ie "an investment in breaking shit to please its industry masters?"

Mar 24 06:51

matey

asking for a friend

kingoffrance

i dont know, but it is specious mentality whatever points they have

matey

i mean thats what it usually means

kingoffrance

iti s legal versus lawful, "identity politics" -- unable to discern idea/thought/spirit from idolatry/manifestation

kingoffrance

whatever they want, will be a disaster

matey

not sure its unable-- more like unwilling

kingoffrance

matey

maybe they want a disaster?

matey

the stereotypical (but thankfully not very typical

matey

) fireman who sets fires to put them out and play the hero

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matey

uncommon in actual firefighters, but common as fuck in the computer industry

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matey

some of these lips with collagen injections...

Mar 24 06:57

kingoffrance

the link actually says the opposite of the claims: We would like to blame ABI but the fault is our own at this point:

Mar 24 06:57

matey

you could get the same effect in 30 seconds without an appointment using a vacuum pump

Mar 24 06:58

matey

i cant imagine its any less stupid an idea

Mar 24 06:58

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kingoffrance

Upgrading it means dealing with this schism between what the user expects (intmax_t that got upgraded and can print __int128_t/__int256_t) with old, non-recompiled code that maintains the old invariant (long long, a 64-bit number). the complaint is code does not magically recompile itself

Mar 24 07:01

kingoffrance

which is fine were this jvm or something

Mar 24 07:01

kingoffrance

so, build a c virtual machine, problem solved

matey

im trying to understand what the issue is here

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matey

that couldnt be solved by adding a single pass with an ifdef

kingoffrance

whining that cavemen do not have nuclear reactors

Mar 24 07:03

kingoffrance

idiots

Mar 24 07:03

matey

wily idiots, it sounds like

Mar 24 07:03

matey

like a cross between lundukes trolling and rick bermans scriptwriting

kingoffrance

it doesnt matter, but if they want to "transition" where is the "transition" plan

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matey

they want to transition to a nonplan

matey

then put themselves in charge of the cleanup

kingoffrance

yes, it looks more like just wanting to burn things down and start over

matey

not unlike what happened to the fsf (well, it did)

matey

it looks more like just wanting to burn things down and start over <- of course

matey

they neednt even be industry types-- they could just be roman soldiers

Mar 24 07:05

matey

same overall idea

Mar 24 07:05

kingoffrance

i dont even disagree with them so much as : you have heard these same whines for 30+ years, when all they need to do is sit down and write their dream os and kernel and applications

Mar 24 07:06

kingoffrance

the solution is hard work, which they are afraid of and allergic to apparently

Mar 24 07:06

kingoffrance

its one of those "only works if they can convince everyone to drop what they are doing and 180"

Mar 24 07:07

kingoffrance

i.e. they have no plan

Mar 24 07:07

matey

only works if they can convince everyone to drop what they are doing and 180 <- happens all too often

Mar 24 07:08

mjg59_

It's not really a complaint that C has poorly defined ABI, it's pointing out that C is the de-facto ABI for operating systems and having it be poorly defined makes it difficult to interoperate

Mar 24 07:16

mjg59_

Which is a historical accident rather than a deliberate design decision

Mar 24 07:17

mjg59_

gcc, clang and icc all fail to interoperate in subtle ways because the ABI that they target isn't sufficiently well defined

Mar 24 07:17

kingoffrance

yes, agree mjg59_ .

kingoffrance

one thing to note, linked: I hear that everything on Linux is “just a file”, so let’s open a file on Linux!

kingoffrance

this was never true

kingoffrance

for one, not all things can be nfs-exported, breaking the abstraction

matey

unix was everything is a file

kingoffrance

yes, but hold on

matey

and even then that was an original goal, not a law

matey

linux is... incredibly, not unix

kingoffrance

fopen() manpage (netbsd) b is strictly for compatibility with c89 and has no effect

mjg59_

So it's fair to say that C is more than a programming language - it's ended up as a not super well defined OS ABI as well

kingoffrance

there was never any "file" there was always "opened in binary mode" "opened in some mainframe record-oriented other mode"

kingoffrance

noone ever agreed on what a "file" was

mjg59_

It'd be much easier to interoperate if C had well-defined interface definitions

kingoffrance

they just said "pretend user passed b as default, call it a day"

matey

"a file" as defined by the os

kingoffrance

yes

kingoffrance

no CORBA IDL "file" was used there either

matey

but it still referred to a certain consistency, even if it was an exaggeration

kingoffrance

not for unix, but did anyone else?

kingoffrance

sure

kingoffrance

just pointing out people deliberately buried the issue

matey

they meant that it all had the same interface as files did

matey

which wasnt true but it was close

kingoffrance

because tehy didnt want to deal with hardware-specific disk formats or what not

kingoffrance

"records"

kingoffrance

mainframe OS you will probably see that

kingoffrance

C did the "right thing" arguably, i.e. support either

Mar 24 07:23

kingoffrance

or did the "neutral" thing anyway

Mar 24 07:23

kingoffrance

but implementations preferred simplicity it seems

Mar 24 07:23

kingoffrance

this really gets into the heart of what is text or binary . modern parlance is there is no plaintext

kingoffrance

point: c was pre utf and unicode

kingoffrance

old parlance: control characters in ascii. specific to a terminal perhaps

kingoffrance

point: noone ever agreed on that either, was swept under the rug

matey

fix python before fucking up unicode in c, please

kingoffrance

had they kept that, then each input device would have its own "character set"

kingoffrance

and perhaps each "screen" too

kingoffrance

matey

unicode is a subset of binary

matey

or several subsets

matey

and its impossible to pick one

matey

and they dont work together

kingoffrance

code is data, data is code :)

mjg59_

I think it's reasonable to ask "Should it be easy to call C libraries from other languages"

matey

unicode is noise that is sometimes also data

techrights-news

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kingoffrance

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e0vnRZN5GB0 go with the wizard book :)

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"When you upgrade an existing FreeBSD installation to 13.1, the new OpenZFS features are not yet available to existing pools" https://klarasystems.com/articles/should-i-upgrade-to-openzfs-2-1/

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matey

i love unicode, its like a parallel universe where everyone settled on usb as a standard-- even apple

Mar 24 07:27

matey

and absolutely every peripheral uses usb with no exceptions

Mar 24 07:27

mjg59_

So, the setuid() syscall on Linux? It only applies to the current thread.

matey

except usb doesnt have rectangular connectors-- it has alligator clips instead

matey

fucking hell

mjg59_

POSIX says it should apply to the process, so glibc has magic code that applies it to all threads

mjg59_

So if you want setuid() to work right on Linux, you need to call into the C library rather than doing the syscall yourself

mjg59_

Or, alternatively, re-implement all of that complexity

mjg59_

This is fine by POSIX because POSIX defines library calls, not syscalls

matey

serious question: why is c blamed for this instead of linux?

kingoffrance

yeah, some of it is deliberately salacious characterization of arguments it seems too, but does not help. "I think it's reasonable to ask "Should it be easy to call C libraries from other languages"" <-- agree

matey

oh i see, its posixes fault (that much i believe)

mjg59_

matey: C's not being blamed for this, C just makes it harder to deal with

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"It followed on from their 2020 FAST "Best Paper" that I discussed in Enterprise SSD Reliability, and it prompted me to review the literature of this area." https://blog.dshr.org/2022/03/storage-update-part-2.html

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matey

seems like this can all be fixed by linux abandoning posix which its doing anyway, afaik

kingoffrance

well the headlines blame c, the real arguments are better yes

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"Let's see. You have physical access to a bunch of servers that are not yours. You do something to your workstation. The next thing you know, you can't reach some of those servers from that workstation." https://rachelbythebay.com/w/2022/03/22/hopeless/

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kingoffrance

ultimately you are getting into object formats e.g. elf

Mar 24 07:31

kingoffrance

which "languages" should an object format support?

Mar 24 07:31

kingoffrance

or should it be "neutral" and let "languages" use the features how they may

mjg59_

I don't think that's a problem

techrights-news

"It is easy to add autocompletion to commands in ksh, however they are limited because they have to be evaluated when the shell is starting." https://webzine.puffy.cafe/issue-8.html#tips

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kingoffrance

well i mean, does c mandate any particular object format?

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mjg59_

I don't think there's anything about ELF that strongly embodies language constructs

mjg59_

kingoffrance: Nope

mjg59_

But operating systems do tend to enforce that to some extent

kingoffrance

yeah, at that point: which languages does an os support "natively"

Mar 24 07:33

mjg59_

But if I want to call into glibc so setuid() works properly I need to parse a bunch of includes with the C preprocessor to figure out how to call that properly

Mar 24 07:34

kingoffrance

yeah, agree (from what ive heard)

mjg59_

So my non-C language needs to know something about C in order to be able to interact with the OS correctly

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kingoffrance

well even for C its an issue

matey

pypy uses a simplified python to reimplement python in

techrights-news

"This new browser window isolates the sign in process so that the website using OAuth never sees users’ sign in credentials" https://hothardware.com/news/bitb-phishing-technique-creates-animated-window-steal-passwords

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matey

coudlnt they just do someting with c like that?

matey

then you would have consistency under the usual interfact

Mar 24 07:36

matey

interface

Mar 24 07:36

kingoffrance

typedef struct foo { int a[LENGTH]; } effectively there are endless "versions" of that, depending on how "LENGTH" is defined, so i need a preprocessor to even "see" what it actually boils down to

Mar 24 07:36

techrights-news

"I recently came across a blog post dealing briefly with the concept of strings, tables and subscripting in COBOL." https://www.datagubbe.se/cobtab/

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kingoffrance

it is like foo_8 foo_16 foo_57 but the (lack of) namespace means you would have to manually distingish one "struct foo" from another

techrights-news

"Changing the boilerplate sucks though. If I make any tweaks to the initial version of the code, I have to manually change every single file to keep them all in sync" https://buttondown.email/hillelwayne/archive/i-finally-found-a-use-for-xml/

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"I’m still on Perl 5. I had fun exploring Raku, but Perl 5 still does everything I want, and uses that familiar syntax" https://rubenerd.com/versions-of-perl-i-use/

Mar 24 07:38

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Rubenerd: Version of Perl I use, via @pinkopanterata

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"Data science is vastly different than programming. We use only four languages – R, Python, Julia, and SQL" https://www.r-bloggers.com/2022/03/how-to-use-r-and-python-together-try-these-2-packages/

Mar 24 07:39

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Mar 24 07:39

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Mar 24 07:39

matey

i pity the foo

Mar 24 07:40

kingoffrance

well, for that example just an IDL would seemingly be a step. so, not impossible, just means defining the language-independent version first, then making sure your C code (or whatever other language) adhers to it

Mar 24 07:40

kingoffrance

or, auto-generating C headers from <IDL, other lang, whatever>

Mar 24 07:40

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"That’s when you realize your mistake: bash, and shell scripting languages in general, are mostly broken by default. Unless you are very careful from day one, any shell script above a certain complexity level is almost guaranteed to be buggy…" https://pythonspeed.com/articles/shell-scripts/

Mar 24 07:41

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-pythonspeed.com | Please stop writing shell scripts

Mar 24 07:41

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Mar 24 07:41

mjg59_

If we were starting from scratch we'd probably end up with a meaningful way to define interfaces that didn't depend on a language-specific spec

Mar 24 07:43

kingoffrance

yep, agree

Mar 24 07:43

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mjg59_

But we're not, so realistically everything needs to depend on C to some extent even though C is not an "official" ABI

matey

it would be hard for it to be language specific if you really started from scratch

matey

but how would you determine that it was useful to anything then?

matey

other than by interfacing various languages with it?

Mar 24 07:45

matey

or is the goal to just throw out everything and have a new spec?

Mar 24 07:46

matey

and then rewrite anything we still give a shit about

Mar 24 07:46

psydruid

have there been any attempts to write a new language-independent spec?

Mar 24 07:48

kingoffrance

i dont think it is even that dire, but it is like y2k or something -- boring, laborious work, refactoring in a way

Mar 24 07:49

psydruid

also has there been any attempt to make a new POSIX that does away with legacy syscalls?

Mar 24 07:49

matey

esperantOS

Mar 24 07:50

kingoffrance

lol. go through all c headers ever, and pin them down to meaningful names and some IDL. quite simple and easy, just a huge laborious task

Mar 24 07:50

psydruid

it's a dirty job but someone's gotta do it

Mar 24 07:51

psydruid

we care a lot

Mar 24 07:51

gooseheaded

Mar 24 07:51

gooseheaded

patrons...

psydruid

patriots

mjg59_

The problem with C headers is that they both define interfaces (in the form of prototypes), they also define macros and references to global variables and a whole bunch of stuff that only matters to the internal code, not to the interface

mjg59_

But the prototypes can also be declared in the form of the macros

mjg59_

So it's all a mess

gooseheaded

the other day... the "cops" were going to arrest me, i told them actually that I was the fucking cops from MELBOURNE, and that like I was the government, and the fucking law, etc etc etc... etc, it is TRUE...

gooseheaded

ffs

gooseheaded

and uhh

gooseheaded

they HAD THEIR HANDCUFFS OUT TO FUCKING "ARREST" ME AND THEY THEN LET ME FUCKING GO!!!

mjg59_

Anyway the point is that .h files are not a good interface definition

gooseheaded

HAHA

gooseheaded

NO SHIT!!!

gooseheaded

gooseheaded

h e c t i c ...

gooseheaded

mhm

mjg59_

But pretty much anything that else that people have invented has been worse?

mjg59_

So glad I don't need to deal with CORBA these days

gooseheaded

i once fucking lived in a "NONEXISTENT" "town" where i fucking rolled ACROSS THE FUCKING ROAD, a "police" "officer" was "patrolling" the "road" etc...

Mar 24 07:55

gooseheaded

a FUCKING HELICOPTER WAS "LANDING" REALLY I WAS, FFS... ANYWAY... SO I WAS ALMOST BLOWN THE FUCK AWAY, AND ALONG WITH MY SUITCASE, WITH A PINEAPPLE INSIDE, FROZEN, OFC...

Mar 24 07:56

gooseheaded

i told the "police" "officer" that I "didn't notice" etc...

gooseheaded

ROFL!!!

gooseheaded

full fucking on. hue hue hue...

gooseheaded

;-)

gooseheaded

hi schestowitz

gooseheaded

are you also a UPSTANDING duck?

gooseheaded

basically, a penguin???

gooseheaded

y'know..?

gooseheaded

;-)

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gooseheaded

i am actually a goose, but disguised as a GIRAFFE, HIDING from the government, etc...

gooseheaded

;-)

gooseheaded

y'know...

gooseheaded

brb one moment, kind patron...

kingoffrance

part of reason i am a little salty: there was 24-bit char (motorola dsp) there were 9-bit "bytes" and 36-bit computing and whatnot. all that was swept under the rug as obsolete. then java/c++/objective-c was magically going going to solve write once, run anywhere, pics or didnt happen. then post-c89 started adding uint32_t -- solidifying more, removing non 2s complement. didnt want to deal with padding bits or obscure things. fina

Mar 24 08:01

kingoffrance

lly, "modern" languages let you define custom integer types -- full circle. its like "diversity" was deliberately destroyed, then wake up and wonder why it is a monoculture

Mar 24 08:01

kingoffrance

industry did it to themselves

Mar 24 08:01

gooseheaded

'industry" patient...

gooseheaded

i am actually God!!!

gooseheaded

haha

gooseheaded

absolutely...

gooseheaded

trust me, i am actually a DOCTOR!!!

gooseheaded

;-)

gooseheaded

and God...

kingoffrance

maxint_t or whatever, is a typedef. an alias for some actual "primitive type" (char,short,int,long, long long, some ibm powerpc something even wanted long long long ).

techrights-news

"Interoperability is one of the original design principles underpinning the internet, and largely responsible for its scale and unique properties" https://edri.org/take-action/events/a-conversation-about-interoperability-and-building-digital-public-spaces/

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-edri.org | A conversation about Interoperability and building digital public spaces - European Digital Rights (EDRi)

kingoffrance

at which point, ms "DWORD" almost makes sense

gooseheaded

fuck- the idiot, really a kind ADORABLE women was at the other end of the yarn holding the other plastic cup to her ear DRUM...

gooseheaded

fuck...

kingoffrance

again: noone agreed on a scheme there, ms did their own thing

kingoffrance

noone ever agreed how big a "word" is

kingoffrance

or a "byte"

gooseheaded

she was at the "university" etc, whatever... I AM the UNIVERSITY... etc... fuck- she asked me "what were your pronouns, i told her CAPTAIN/PROFESSOR/ETC!!!

kingoffrance

rfcs say "octet"

techrights-news

"After years of tantalizing hints that a passwordless future is just around the corner" https://www.wired.com/story/fido-alliance-ios-android-password-replacement/ those are NOT solutions. http://techrights.org/2020/10/15/fido-false-sense-of-security/

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Death of the Password? FIDO Alliance Reveals Its New Plan | WIRED

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | A FIDO/FIDO2 False Sense of Security for Premium Prices | Techrights

gooseheaded

she was like- ROFLCOPTTER!!!

gooseheaded

mhm

gooseheaded

i loled...

gooseheaded

etc

gooseheaded

;-)

kingoffrance

in that sense, they are asking for what never was

Mar 24 08:05

kingoffrance

some imaginary world where everyone agreed

Mar 24 08:05

kingoffrance

never happened

kingoffrance

chesterton's fence. *why* was C "neutral" so much?

schestowitz-TR

gooseheaded: are you on drugs?

gooseheaded

uhh

gooseheaded

rly???

XRevan86

click: "what does pro audio means on the pulse mixer?" <- https://unix.stackexchange.com/a/676566

gooseheaded

i am ALWAYS FUCKING SIDEWAYS!!!

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-unix.stackexchange.com | The "Pro Audio" profile in PipeWire for audio devices / sound cards - Unix & Linux Stack Exchange

psydruid

why can't things be defined more clearly now?

gooseheaded

absolutely...

gooseheaded

mhm

gooseheaded

i walk perpendicular to the x-axis of earth...

mjg59_

psydruid: We haven't defined the words to define things more clearly

gooseheaded

so on the y-axis, fuck's sake, man...

gooseheaded

it is FULL ON!!!

mjg59_

At least, not in a way that computers can understand

gooseheaded

;-)

gooseheaded

mhm

gooseheaded

people LOVE IT!!!

gooseheaded

;-)

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gooseheaded

i am always SIDEWAYS, i tilt my head diagonally, so i ALIGN my visual perspective to my fucking diagonal fucking STANCE!!!

gooseheaded

it is full on!!!

gooseheaded

hue hue hue...

gooseheaded

it "kinda" works...

gooseheaded

well it DOES!!!

schestowitz-TR

go get some sleep

Mar 24 08:10

schestowitz-TR

you talk nonsense

Mar 24 08:10

XRevan86

MinceR: "also, ask XRevan86 about roskomnadzor, since you seem to be on a crusade against censorship" <- Censorship is when Putin's agenta is countered. Ask Pieskov, he'll tell you all about it.

Mar 24 08:10

schestowitz-TR

putin has a new slant on censorship

schestowitz-TR

he bans the extremists

schestowitz-TR

not just foreign agents

gooseheaded

i took a pee nonsense?

XRevan86

Like Facebook.

matey

thats not new

schestowitz-TR

and now they ban whole sites for what some users say in them

gooseheaded

i am about the only sane fucking person in the universe...

matey

like the fediverse

gooseheaded

what did i type which was nonsense..?

schestowitz-TR

yeah, fediverse has issues

gooseheaded

tell me... please..?

schestowitz-TR

and you need to appease several tyrants all at once

kingoffrance

"why can't things be defined more clearly now?" i dont know, just looks like going in circles in the big picture. this isnt a criticism so much as chesterton's fence: understand why it was how it was before mucking with anything

kingoffrance

after that, muck away.........

schestowitz-TR

gooseheaded: come back when you sober up, please

kingoffrance

now they want int_256_t or whatever

gooseheaded

no you...

gooseheaded

i am fucking sober, more fucking "SOBER" than you...

Mar 24 08:13

gooseheaded

actually i am entirely fucking rational and sane...

Mar 24 08:13

gooseheaded

most have LOST THEIR FUCKING "minds"

techrights-news

"deleting her social [control] media and wedding website accounts" https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/consciousness-guilt-fatal-nyc-shove-suspect-may-face-legal-jeopardy-de-rcna21256

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.nbcnews.com | ‘Consciousness of guilt’: Fatal NYC shove suspect may face more legal jeopardy for deleting social media, experts say

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"What is the solution for the problem then, I asked myself? How can I get the ownership of my hardware, OS, data and apps back?" https://www.boucek.me/blog/digital-feudalism/

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Digital feudalism and freedom · boucek.me

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"The death was confirmed in an obituary, which said Wilhite, one the chief architect of America Online, died March 14 — just days after his 74th birthday on March 3." https://www.nbcnews.com/pop-culture/pop-culture-news/stephen-wilhite-creator-gif-dies-74-rcna21287

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.nbcnews.com | Stephen Wilhite, creator of the GIF, dies at 74

XRevan86

CrystalMath: "i'm not supporting the censorship part, and i never did" <- I have to say that the censorship part is pretty hard to ignore here. It's easier to say what one is allowed to speak about than what one isn't.

techrights-news

"Stephen Wilhite, the inventor of the GIF, passed away last week from COVID at the age of 74." https://www.salon.com/2022/03/23/its-official-weve-all-been-saying-gif/

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mjg59_

Good thing no censorship occurs here

techrights-news

"Although GIFs are synonymous with animated internet memes these days, that wasn’t the reason Wilhite created the format. CompuServe introduced them in the late 1980s as a way to distribute “high-quality, high-resolution graphics” in color at a time when internet speeds were glacial compared to what they are today." https://www.theverge.com/2022/3/23/22992066/stephen-wilhite-gif-creator-dies

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theverge.com | Stephen Wilhite, creator of the GIF, has died - The Verge

mjg59_

Oh, wait

XRevan86

MinceR: I think that CrystalMath only cares if censorship happens to him, and he is in the EU, which he so much hates.

schestowitz-TR

Serbia is in the EU?

*schestowitz-TR checks

XRevan86

activelow: "do you think russian military did this, shooting civilian passengers? i do not believe, yet i do not know because i hadn't been there." <- It's almost as if there is literal footage everywhere.

psydruid

it isn't

XRevan86

Oh, never mind then.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accession_of_Serbia_to_the_European_Union

schestowitz

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Accession of Serbia to the European Union - Wikipedia

schestowitz

"On 7 November 2007, Serbia initiated a Stabilisation and Association Agreement (SAA) with the European Union. The European Commission recommended making Serbia an official candidate on 12 October 2011. After the Council's recommendation of 28 February 2012, Serbia received full candidate status on 1 March. In December 2013, the Council of the European Union approved opening negotiations for Serbia's accession."

schestowitz

Like North Macedonia, they won't lower their standards that low

schestowitz

not yet

XRevan86

matey: "this is the first ive heard of rt being pro putler, i thought they were leftish (for russia i mean)" <- Uh, what? It's state TV.

Mar 24 08:18

techrights-news

"NASA had originally wanted to pick two companies to develop human lunar landers for Artemis in order to inspire competition and keep down costs." https://www.theverge.com/2022/3/23/22993287/nasa-second-human-lunar-lander-moon-artemis-spacex

Mar 24 08:18

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theverge.com | NASA announces plans to develop second Moon lander, alongside SpaceX’s Starship - The Verge

Mar 24 08:18

matey

XRevan86 <- maybe the fact that i only pay attention to rt when it does a tech segment, and literally ignore the rest

Mar 24 08:19

schestowitz-TR

XRevan86: RT is like "BBC Russia"

Mar 24 08:19

schestowitz-TR

except, afaik, RT doesn't take bribe from bill gates

schestowitz-TR

;-)

matey

/me hasnt seen anything from rt in ages

mjg59_

XRevan86: rt's international agenda is largely anti US imperialism, so reads as lefty if you ignore its position on Russia

XRevan86

It takes bribes from the state.

schestowitz-TR

the billBC takes money from us

matey

rt's international agenda is largely anti US imperialism, so reads as lefty if you ignore its position on Russia <- which i have ignored

schestowitz-TR

and also takes bribes from gates repeatedly

matey

so yeah, its a very superficial take i admit

schestowitz-TR

billBC is not what it was decades ago

matey

but its what it looked like at first glance

schestowitz-TR

and it still protects a bunch of perverts like Savile

matey

<XRevan86> It takes bribes from the state. <- i was just asking, i have no actual position on rt

matey

thanks for explaining

mjg59_

schestowitz-TR: You published multiple stories that attempted to protect Jake

XRevan86

matey: That was an answer to schestowitz.

matey

XRevan86: ok, i guess i found it useful too

mjg59_

schestowitz-TR: I think that undermines your (otherwise legitimate) criticism of the BBC re: Savile

techrights-news

"UK universities compete to offer education as a service product in a market system." https://www.timeshighereducation.com/blog/false-market-degrees-ruining-higher-education

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.timeshighereducation.com | The false market in degrees is ruining higher education | Times Higher Education (THE)

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RIP, Mr. GIF • Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162930

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | RIP, Mr. GIF | Tux Machines

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IRC Proceedings: Wednesday, March 23, 2022 | Techrights ⚓ http://techrights.org/2022/03/24/irc-log-230322/ | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/03/24/irc-log-230322/

Mar 24 08:23

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IRC Proceedings: Wednesday, March 23, 2022 | Techrights

Mar 24 08:23

mjg59_

If you're going to complain about organisations protecting rapists, maybe don't publish stories protecting rapists

Mar 24 08:23

mjg59_

Or, at least, have the decency to remove the old stories or flag them in some way

Mar 24 08:25

techrights-news

ttps://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blogs/econographics/putins-invasion-of-ukraine-could-spark-a-global-food-crisis/

Mar 24 08:26

techrights-news

"I attended that conference session, and remember feeling comforted by the country’s investments in scientific infrastructure compared to other countries." https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-u-s-still-doesnt-know-how-to-track-a-pandemic/

Mar 24 08:27

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-The U.S. Still Doesn’t Know How To Track A Pandemic | FiveThirtyEight

Mar 24 08:27

mjg59_

(Roy, once again, raises an issue and then stops talking about it the moment I point out that there's hypocrisy on his part)

Mar 24 08:28

matey

its a common pattern

Mar 24 08:29

matey

im never going to be able to side either way on this

matey

i know there are people who have been raped that will never find justice in court

matey

i also know there will be people who are false accused that will never clear their name

matey

asking "how are we supposed to tell which is which" sounds dickish

matey

particularly when you know someone who knows someone, etc

mjg59_

matey: My partner was sexually assaulted by Jake

matey

particularly when you know someone who knows someone, etc

mjg59_

Also an ex was, and also a close friend

matey

so how can i ask you this question in a general, non-dickish way?

matey

because tbh i dont know

matey

not about your partner obviously

matey

but in a broader sense that has nothing to do with the example of jake

techrights-news

Fake cybersecurity. Proprietary mystery software. https://siliconangle.com/2022/03/22/f-secure-announces-name-corporate-business-ahead-company-split/

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-F-Secure announces name of corporate business ahead of company split - SiliconANGLE

matey

obviously jake would be a bad example here

Proprietary https://www.bridgemi.com/michigan-government/ex-gov-rick-snyder-4-others-charged-flint-water-crisis-must-testify

techrights-news

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.bridgemi.com | Ex-Gov. Rick Snyder, 4 others charged in Flint water crisis must testify | Bridge Michigan

techrights-news

"This is an overview of a series of 6 blog posts we dedicated to the analysis and decryption of Cobalt Strike traffic. We include videos for different analysis methods." https://blog.nviso.eu/2022/03/22/cobalt-strike-overview-part-7/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HelpSystems#Cobalt_Strike

mjg59_

matey: If the question is "How do I know who to believe", there's a couple of approaches

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.nviso.eu | Cobalt Strike: Overview – Part 7 – NVISO Labs

Mar 24 08:33

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | HelpSystems - Wikipedia

Mar 24 08:33

mjg59_

matey: The first is statistical - the number of accusations that are demonstrated to be false is tiny compared to the number that are demonstrated to be true

matey

that doesnt solve this problem for me

matey

it simply says "the problem is unlikely"

XRevan86

"yes, well, MinceR always did that, for example with freenode and Andrew Lee" <- freenode is a fine example of CrystalMath thinking that people have an obligation to Andrew Lee, and that being anti-censorship means supporting a hypocrite.

mjg59_

matey: The second is more game theoretical - what do the people making accusations gain compared to what they stand to lose?

matey

mjg: in both approaches, we are throwing out the idea of innocent until proven guilty

matey

for petty theft and murder, we have innocent until proven guilty

matey

but for rape we get the opposite

mjg59_

matey: No! "Innocent until proven guilty" is something that applies to the state, not to individuals

matey

im not entirely comfortable with that. i can see the gains it promises of course

*schestowitz-TR kindly reminds mjg59_ he was muted for changing the subject of this channel to SEX and then using the resultant mess to defame us in Twitter, making slanderous accusations about where we stand on issues

XRevan86

matey: "any idea if alpine can be compiled with tinycc?" <- tinycc is not feature complete to compile anything of that complexity.

techrights-news

Microsoft Windows TCO: https://itwire.com/opinion-and-analysis-sp-481/open-sauce/okta-knew-about-breach-in-january,-kept-mum-until-lapsus$-post.html

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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-iTWire - Okta knew about breach in January, kept mum until Lapsus$ post

techrights-news

Microsoft Windows TCO: https://cio.economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/digital-security/microsoft-accepts-cybercriminal-group-lapsus-hacked-its-data/90411638

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-cio.economictimes.indiatimes.com | microsoft news: Microsoft accepts cybercriminal group Lapsus$ hacked its data, CIO News, ET CIO

matey

"Innocent until proven guilty" is something that applies to the state, not to individuals <- if we are doling out consequences it seems like a principle worth considering

mjg59_

matey: eg, OJ Simpson was found innocent - the state failed to prove its case, mostly due to the police being racist. But that doesn't mean I'd trust him with a knife.

matey

if we are terminating employment and destroying someones reputation

matey

simpson is a good example-- it seems pretty obvious he was guilty

matey

given the evidence

matey

so the verdict was useless

matey

bu the process was not

techrights-news

Microsoft Windows TCO: https://siliconangle.com/2022/03/22/reports-okta-microsoft-breached-lapsus-hacking-group/ marketing LIE: "Microsoft, for example, spends about $1 billion every year on protecting its network"

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Okta and Microsoft breached by Lapsus$ hacking group - SiliconANGLE

matey

and i wouldnt trust him either

mjg59_

schestowitz-TR: techrights.org contains multiple articles defending a rapist. You didn't write them, but you chose to publish them. The fact that they're on techrights.org strongly implies that they're on topic.

techrights-news

Microsoft Windows TCO: https://www.theverge.com/2022/3/23/22993731/lapsus-hacking-group-teenager-mastermind

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theverge.com | A teen is reportedly the mastermind behind the Lapsus$ hacking group - The Verge

mjg59_

matey: Ok, so that already implies that "innocent until proven guilty" isn't something that binds individuals

matey

binds, no

matey

but hopefully has some relevance, even if its not binding

mjg59_

Simpson acted in Hollywood movies before that trial, and didn't afterwards

techrights-news

Microsoft Windows TCO: https://thehill.com/policy/cybersecurity/599418-microsoft-confirms-breach-by-lapsus-hacker-group "Microsoft said in the post that Lapsus$, also known as DEV-0537, had breached one account, resulting in “limited access” but not to the data of any of the tech giant’s customers."

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Microsoft confirms breach by Lapsus$ hacker group | TheHill

matey

there was no longer a market for his work

matey

but again, he went to trial

mjg59_

matey: A trial where he was found innocent

matey

i think he was even found guilty in the second trial

mjg59_

There was a civil case

mjg59_

Not a criminal one

matey

but theres a lower threshold for proof in a civil case

mjg59_

Yeah

techrights-news

Microsoft Windows TCO: https://broadbandbreakfast.com/2022/03/adelstein-departing-wia-ransomware-still-ongoing-threat-uscellular-new-board-nominees/ see http://techrights.org/2021/05/02/ransomware-task-force/

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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-broadbandbreakfast.com | Adelstein Departing WIA, Ransomware Still 'Ongoing Threat,' USCellular New Board Nominees : Broadband Breakfast

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Microsoft-Centric “Ransomware Task Force” | Techrights

matey

maybe we should have a different question entirely

mjg59_

matey: So what's the threshold? Being found not guilty in a court seems like it should be something that means consequences go away if we think of "Innocent until proven guility"

techrights-news

Microsoft Windows TCO: https://itwire.com/business-it-news/security/ransomware-incidents-in-us-much-higher-than-number-reported-claim.html it's killing lots of people http://techrights.org/2020/06/09/windows-disaster-zones/

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matey

what should be done about jake?

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-iTWire - Ransomware incidents in US much higher than number reported: claim

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Index of the Series About Windows Inside Hospitals (Causing Hospitals to Become Disaster Zones) | Techrights

matey

matey: So what's the threshold? <- but this is basically what im asking you

mjg59_

Jake has been excluded from spaces where he could cause further harm

mjg59_

He's been allowed to continue living his life otherwise

techrights-news

Microsoft Windows TCO: https://thehill.com/policy/cybersecurity/599362-fbi-concerned-about-possible-russian-cyberattacks-on-critical http://techrights.org/2021/07/19/microsoft-national-security/

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-FBI 'concerned' about possible Russian cyberattacks on critical infrastructure | TheHill

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Is Microsoft a National Security Threat? | Techrights

mjg59_

The consequences are fare less meaningful than if he'd been found guilty and imprisoned

matey

what about his contritbutions to research and software? are those still possible?

Mar 24 08:41

mjg59_

So, (1) his contributions mostly consist of him rephrasing other people's work, he can't actually code for shit, and (2) yes, he can still write stuff, and other people can make use of that if they want to

Mar 24 08:41

kingoffrance

"No! "Innocent until proven guilty" is something that applies to the state, not to individuals" well, thats why i pointed out state was "by of for the people" previously.

Mar 24 08:42

kingoffrance

confusion of tongues

Mar 24 08:42

kingoffrance

not saying it *is* that, just that was the theory

Mar 24 08:42

mjg59_

Free software doesn't mean everyone has the right to have their patches merged

matey

thank god

techrights-news

WWW = clusterf*** https://www.techzim.co.zw/2022/03/scammers-fake-browser-windows-including-url-protect-against-that/

matey

i dont want everyone to have root

mjg59_

But free software means anyone can write patches and someone else can make use of that if they want to

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mjg59_

Jake's not prevented from forking tor and writing his own code there

mjg59_

And anyone would then be able to pick up his code and make use of it if they wanted

matey

your confident his contributions to tor were non-vital?

mjg59_

Yup

matey

And anyone would then be able to pick up his code and make use of it if they wanted <- this is probably sufficient

mjg59_

Look at git - he really doesn't have that many commits

matey

if its possible to sponsor his patches, that would likely satisfy me, if i held any authority in the tor project

techrights-news

Saturday Morning Breakfast Cereal - Scythe ⚓ https://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/scythe

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.smbc-comics.com | Saturday Morning Breakfast Cereal - Scythe

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matey

and you say its possible, so...

matey

im speaking hypothetically

matey

i dont know of anything being left out because of this in terms of useful patches

mjg59_

Hey, regardless of my feelings, if Jake wrote something useful I would attempt to incorporate that concept if not literally that code

matey

presumably, and this is speculation

Mar 24 08:46

matey

the reason pocock wanted to write that about jake was

Mar 24 08:46

matey

to show that people are being censored, like he is

Mar 24 08:46

matey

if so, maybe not the best example

matey

not one likely to gain a lot of sympathy i mean

mjg59_

Pocock's a piece of shit, but I don't have any reason to believe he's anywhere near as bad as Jake

techrights-news

"Tor Browser 11.5a8 is now available from the Tor Browser download page and also from our distribution directory." https://blog.torproject.org/new-release-tor-browser-115a8/

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.torproject.org | New Alpha Release: Tor Browser 11.5a8 (Windows/macOS/Linux) | The Tor Project

mjg59_

Pocock has used other people's names and email addresses to send mail to mailing lists

techrights-news

Microsoft issues https://krebsonsecurity.com/2022/03/a-closer-look-at-the-lapsus-data-extortion-group/

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-krebsonsecurity.com | A Closer Look at the LAPSUS$ Data Extortion Group – Krebs on Security

mjg59_

But as far as I know he hasn't raped anyone

techrights-news

Putler justifies his name https://meduza.io/en/feature/2022/03/23/holocaust-survivor-killed-by-russian-shelling-in-kharkiv

Mar 24 08:49

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Mar 24 08:49

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Like in the days of the Berlin Wall and Korean DMZ, people would rather be dead than live under Putler https://meduza.io/en/feature/2022/03/23/i-d-rather-lose-my-life-than-my-freedom

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mjg59_

matey: But yes, I agree with you - Pocock wants to make a case that Debian unjustly excludes people, and wants to try to prove Jake was unjustly excluded to make people think he was unjustly excluded

matey

even if they do unjustly exclude people

Mar 24 08:51

matey

that doesnt preclude the obvious possibility that some people are justly excluded

https://linux.slashdot.org/story/22/03/15/2028231/debian-developer-demoted-quits-after-two-decades-with-project

schestowitz

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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux.slashdot.org | Debian Developer Demoted, Quits After Two Decades With Project - Slashdot

schestowitz

“Only the ‘political’ side of Debian is, unfortunately, creating such a toxic atmosphere.”

https://itwire.com/open-source/debian-developer-demoted,-quits-after-two-decades-with-project.html

schestowitz

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kingoffrance

minor point, i dont have anything to add, just: everything is a file versus universal resource locators. just to say: noone agrees there either, on how to "name" "files"

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-iTWire - Debian developer demoted, quits after two decades with project

kingoffrance

*uniform

techrights-news

ICBM has outsourced this to PROPRIETARY software https://fossforce.com/2022/03/fedora-plans-to-party-for-36-like-its-2022/

Mar 24 08:54

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-fossforce.com | Fedora Plans to Party for 36 Like It's 2022! - FOSS Force

Mar 24 08:54

mjg59_

schestowitz: Not sure what point you're trying to make here

techrights-news

They talk about "Open Source", so you know they mean openwashing rather than freedom https://fossforce.com/2022/03/free-online-open-source-101-on-tuesday-in-person-meetup-in-april/

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-fossforce.com | Free & Online: Open Source 101 Online on Tuesday - FOSS Force

matey

as i understand it, or misunderstand it, the accusation made against preining is harassment, not rape

mjg59_

Yeah

Mar 24 08:56

matey

and its a long term pattern of it?

Mar 24 08:56

mjg59_

There were a bunch of things (including him engaging in misgendering) and the internal processes that attempted to resolve that didn't end up with a good conclusion

Mar 24 08:56

matey

and after all that he wasnt forced out but actually quit

mjg59_

Right

mjg59_

He could have continued to maintain the packages he maintained

matey

but he was no longer a manager

matey

only a developer

mjg59_

He was a developer, he'd have been a maintainer

mjg59_

Developers can basically upload anything, maintainers can only touch packages they're in charge of

Mar 24 08:58

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techrights-news

"[Tom], of the YouTube channel ThingsTomLike, found a very sweet little mechanical Pong clone at a thrift store. It came in broken" https://hackaday.com/2022/03/23/old-school-mechanical-pong-still-amazes/

Mar 24 09:08

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Old School Mechanical Pong Still Amazes | Hackaday

Mar 24 09:08

techrights-news

"On Tuesday, the European Parliament’s (EU) Special Committee on Artificial Intelligence in a Digital Age (AIDA) adopted its final recommendations for a Roadmap, laying the groundwork through 2030" https://creativecommons.org/2022/03/23/cc-welcomes-adoption-of-aida/ buzzwords swallowed http://techrights.org/2022/01/11/buzzwords-from-brussels/

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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-creativecommons.org | CC welcomes adoption of AIDA - Creative Commons

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | A Soup of Buzzwords From Brussels (the European Commission) | Techrights

techrights-news

"I’m a bit tired of blogging about nothing but COVID-19; so I thought I’d take some time to “dunk on a 7′ hoop” and look at homeopathy." https://respectfulinsolence.com/2022/03/23/why-are-so-many-clinical-trials-of-homeopathy-positive/

Mar 24 09:12

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Mar 24 09:12

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-respectfulinsolence.com | Why are so many clinical trials of homeopathy "positive"? - RESPECTFUL INSOLENCE

Mar 24 09:12

matey

mjg59_ youll mention, i hope, when your legal action against someone here has concluded

matey

i dont expect either of you to discuss while its still ongoing

techrights-news

"Four individuals connected to the illegal streaming of copyrighted content have been handed prison sentences in the UK totaling more than 10 years" https://torrentfreak.com/illegal-iptv-streams-four-receive-prison-sentences-totaling-10-years-220323/

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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Illegal IPTV Streaming: Four Receive Prison Sentences Totaling 10+ Years * TorrentFreak

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"Infamous Russian torrent site RuTracker is one of many pirate sites that are permanently blocked by the Russian authorities for failing to remove copyrighted content" https://torrentfreak.com/rutracker-found-itself-unblocked-in-russia-so-immediately-blocked-itself-220323/

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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-RuTracker Found Itself Unblocked in Russia So Immediately Blocked Itself * TorrentFreak

techrights-news

SoylentNews helps Microsoft post spam. This is MICROSOFT PULLING FINLAND. Then greenwashing it. ⚓ https://soylentnews.org/article.pl?sid=22/03/21/1538236 Zemlin and his frauds do the same http://techrights.org/2021/11/09/linux-foundation-greenwash/

Mar 24 09:15

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-soylentnews.org | Waste Heat From Microsoft Servers to Warm Residents in Southern Finland - SoylentNews

Mar 24 09:15

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Linux Foundation Has Become Even Worse Than Climate Science Deniers | Techrights

Mar 24 09:15

mjg59_

matey: At the point where I should say anything, I'll do so

matey

/me nods

techrights-news

What a world; people who expose crimes can only marry behind bars. For EXPOSING crimes. https://www.canberratimes.com.au/story/7671223/wikileaks-assange-to-marry-in-uk-jail/?cs=14264

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.canberratimes.com.au | WikiLeaks' Assange to marry in UK jail

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"Imagine you have the following EcmaScript module you want to unit test..." https://ar.al/2022/03/23/using-bound-functions-to-unit-test-ecmascript-modules/

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ar.al | Using bound functions to unit test EcmaScript Modules – Aral Balkan

mjg59_

Again with defending the rapists

Mar 24 09:17

techrights-news

"The lawyers who were following this at the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU), were predicting that Donald Trump would prosecute journalists." http://www.ilfattoquotidiano.it/in-edicola/articoli/2022/03/22/daniel-ellsberg-it-is-outrageous-that-biden-has-continued-to-pursue-julian-assanges-prosecution/6533299/

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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.ilfattoquotidiano.it | Daniel Ellsberg: "It is outrageous that Biden has continued to pursue Julian Assange's prosecution" - Il Fatto Quotidiano

techrights-news

Media is collapsing while they attack Wikileaks, too https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/22/business/media/buzzfeed-news-editors-newsroom-cuts.html

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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.nytimes.com | BuzzFeed News Top Editor Mark Schoofs to Leave Ahead of Newsroom Cuts - The New York Times

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"The independent publication Meduza is no longer easily accessible in Russia. Meduza has been reporting from Latvia in Russian and English since 2014" https://netzpolitik.org/2022/russian-exile-medium-meduza-everything-has-changed-dramatically/

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-netzpolitik.org | Russian exile medium Meduza: „Everything has changed dramatically“

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Killed journalists https://text.npr.org/1088172421

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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-text.npr.org | Family of killed photojournalist Danish Siddiqui take Taliban leaders to ICC

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“the victim of crimes against humanity and war crimes, at the hand of anti-government forces, identifying themselves as ‘Taliban’.” https://www.laprensalatina.com/family-of-indian-photojournalist-killed-by-taliban-moves-icc-for-justice/

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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.laprensalatina.com | Family of Indian photojournalist killed by Taliban moves ICC for justice - La Prensa Latina Media

techrights-news

"Reporters Without Borders (RSF) has reconstructed an exclusive timeline of two years of government assault on Hong Kong’s press freedom following the adoption of the National Security Law" https://rsf.org/en/news/rsf-relate-two-years-government-assault-hong-kongs-press-freedom

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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-rsf.org | RSF relate two years of government assault on Hong Kong’s press freedom | RSF

techrights-news

"Chelsea Manning and Julian Assange. And now Assange sits in a gulag awaiting a terrible fate of extradition to the US." https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/03/23/they-just-want-the-bombs-to-stop-falling/

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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-They Just Want the Bombs to Stop Falling - CounterPunch.org

mjg59_

Reminder that Chelsea only ended up in jail because Assange was fucking incompetent

techrights-news

Canada truck blockades spread to more countries https://mexiconewsdaily.com/news/truckers-block-highways-to-protest-insecurity-tolls-and-fuel-prices/

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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-mexiconewsdaily.com | Truckers block highways to protest insecurity, tolls and fuel prices

matey

Reminder that Chelsea only ended up in jail because Assange was fucking incompetent <- first ive heard this

matey

i presume that chelsea remains pro-assange though

Mar 24 09:28

mjg59_

Haha no

techrights-news

OSI and surveillance https://www.fiercetelecom.com/broadband/comcast-commits-open-source http://techrights.org/2020/06/25/mozilla-comcast/

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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Mozilla Shames Itself and Harms Its Reputation by Stating That “Comcast Has Taken Major Steps to Protect Customer Privacy” | Techrights

mjg59_

She's not going to snitch on him

mjg59_

But she is not in favour of him

mjg59_

So full marks on following through on principles

Mar 24 09:30

matey

how did his incompetence lead to her imprisonment?

Mar 24 09:30

mjg59_

I'm going to handwave a bit here because there's various stuff that isn't public

techrights-news

Teaching kids code, not GUI (nonsense, training) https://www.raspberrypi.org/blog/code-club-wales-translations-codealong/

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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.raspberrypi.org | Code Club in Wales with translations, teacher training and a country-wide codealong - Raspberry Pi

matey

thats fine

mjg59_

And also this is my understanding of things, so it may be contradicted by other facts at some point

Mar 24 09:32

matey

noted

Mar 24 09:32

techrights-news

"The health data of almost 50 million Americans was breached last year, according to a Politico analysis of data from the Department of Health and Human Services" https://thehill.com/policy/cybersecurity/599430-sensitive-health-data-of-50-million-americans-hacked-or-breached-last

Mar 24 09:33

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Sensitive health data of 50 million Americans hacked or breached last year: analysis | TheHill

Mar 24 09:33

mjg59_

But: while the proximal cause is that Lamo was a piece of shit, the US was primarily interested in drawing an association with Assange, and while Assange refused to comment there had been enough evidence left behind other than Chelsea's own admissions that left space to bring him into it

Mar 24 09:33

techrights-news

Israel is making itself synonymous with war, malware, and other illegal software. Then it'll cry "antisemitism" https://edri.org/our-work/italian-dpa-fines-clearview-ai-for-illegally-monitoring-and-processing-biometric-data-of-italian-citizens/

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-edri.org | Italian DPA fines Clearview AI for illegally monitoring and processing biometric data of Italian citizens - European Digital Rights (EDRi)

mjg59_

And he didn't do anything to disabuse the US of this belief

techrights-news

"And that’s the essence of end-to-end encryption: no-one but the sender and the intended receiver can read the message. Of course, you may haggle over the details." https://edri.org/our-work/the-european-commission-might-put-a-stop-to-end-to-end-encryption/

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-edri.org | The European Commission might put a stop to end-to-end encryption - European Digital Rights (EDRi)

matey

so in other words

techrights-news

Surveillance galore https://www.theverge.com/2022/3/23/22993459/zoom-twitch-stream-button-integration

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theverge.com | Zoom is making it easy to plug your meeting directly into Twitch - The Verge

matey

he refused to comment and he refused to protect the anonymity of the people who provided tips to him

matey

or at least, failed ot

techrights-news

"Breaking Defense: Let’s set the scene. What is the steady state right now in cryptographic solutions? Where is modernization needed?" https://breakingdefense.com/2022/03/modernization-of-crypto-isnt-the-core-mission-for-dod-and-the-ic-its-what-enables-the-mission/

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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-breakingdefense.com | Modernization of crypto isn’t the core mission for DoD and the IC, it’s what enables the mission - Breaking Defense Breaking Defense - Defense industry news, analysis and commentary

mjg59_

My understanding is that he refused to assert that Chelsea was not the source

matey

you consider that incompetence? im not saying it isnt

mjg59_

Oh that bit I don't consider incompetence - I think the incompetence is in failing to teach your sources how to protect themselves

Mar 24 09:37

mjg59_

Same as I think The Intercept were incompetent in handling Reality Winner

Mar 24 09:37

mjg59_

Or, rather, it's the totality of it

Mar 24 09:37

mjg59_

Don't ask people to leak stuff to you unless you can ensure they're protected

Mar 24 09:38

mjg59_

And if you fail at that, throw yourself under the bus rather than implicate them

Mar 24 09:38

matey

right

Mar 24 09:38

mjg59_

I think Assange failed at that, and I think The Intercept failed at that

Mar 24 09:39

schestowitz-TR

says someone who never protected a source

Mar 24 09:39

matey

its a reasonable principle

techrights-news

It feels like Putin is still in control of the EU https://www.voanews.com/a/putin-tells-europe-to-pay-for-natural-gas-in-rubles/6498771.html

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.voanews.com | Putin Tells Europe to Pay for Natural Gas in Rubles

matey

taking reponsibility for the people that inform you

techrights-news

Fall of an empire https://www.defenceweb.co.za/security/maritime-security/us-general-says-china-is-seeking-a-naval-base-in-west-africa/

Mar 24 09:41

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Mar 24 09:41

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.defenceweb.co.za | US general says China is seeking a naval base in West Africa - defenceWeb

Mar 24 09:41

matey

honestly, if what mjg is saying about assange is true

mjg59_

schestowitz: There's more than one case where you've quoted an anonyomous source with enough information that it's easy to work out who they were, so I wouldn't go too hard on that point (I promise I won't decloak anyone, I'm not a piece of shit)

matey

theres absolutely nothing wrong with the argument about taking responbility

matey

the only possible hole i can find in it is that its not true

matey

the principle is sound enough

schestowitz-TR

it's a lie

mjg59_

What's a lie?

schestowitz-TR

mjg59_: just defames everyone

schestowitz-TR

he lives in a fantasy world

mjg59_

What, specifically, is a lie

matey

mjg59_: just defames everyone <- i can see the logic here, actually

techrights-news

Maybe we can learn to drink ewaste then... https://today.rtl.lu/news/luxembourg/a/1885896.html

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-today.rtl.lu | RTL Today - Pollution in Luxembourg: Around 100 groundwater resources currently unusable

matey

he defamed stallman (imo) therefore any other accusation he makes is false

matey

thats certainly worth considering

matey

it isnt necessarily true, but its possible

mjg59_

Oh yeah please do critically analyse my claims

mjg59_

But also please critically analyse Roy's

matey

well there you can count on me

mjg59_

In this case he's asserting that I'm lying without even saying what I'm lying about

matey

because i could make a comment about roys protection of sources

techrights-news

"failure to act on climate change was a violation of their “rights to life” as young people." https://www.teenvogue.com/story/radical-climate-action

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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.teenvogue.com | Radical Climate Action: From Hunger Strikes to Lawsuits to Community Care | Teen Vogue

matey

but im withholding it

matey

at any rate

techrights-news

"The vehicle will not operate at ambient temperatures below -4°F (-20°C).” Give me a break. This is Canada. We go months below -20ºC." https://mrpogson.com/2022/03/22/solo-ev-update/

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-mrpogson.com | Solo EV Update… | Robert Pogson

matey

even if you WERE making up assanges fault here

matey

the principle you describe about protecting sources

matey

is still reasonable

matey

making up, even mistaken

mjg59_

I think roy mischaracterises a lot of things, but I also think that's his honest belief

mjg59_

There are some cases where he says actually untrue stuff even after he's been corrected

Mar 24 09:47

mjg59_

But for the most part, it's his genuine interpretation of the facts

Mar 24 09:47

mjg59_

Any time I accuse him of lying, I'll describe the precise statement that I believe to be untrue and provide evidence for that

Mar 24 09:48

mjg59_

Please do hold me to that standard

Mar 24 09:48

mjg59_

But in return, please hold him to the same standard

Mar 24 09:49

techrights-news

"Nevermind accounting for the world's tomfoolery as part of this burnout. The world has repeatedly set its own yard on fire lately and I'm not about to peek through my blinds, per se, and watch the show." gemini://soviet.circumlunar.space/wholesomedonut/gemlog/20220324.gmi

Mar 24 09:49

matey

But in return, please hold him to the same standard <- if it were possible to do so

mjg59_

Anyway for context I've hung out with Chelsea at her birthday party before the pandemic

matey

im jealous

matey

id love to meet her

mjg59_

And she followes me on Twitter

matey

interesting

mjg59_

Which, uh, crap, Elon's ex's girlfriend follows me on Tiwtter

matey

ex gf?

techrights-news

"Gulag is introducing a pilot to let “a small number of participating developers” offer a payment system in addition to Gulag Ploy’s." https://www.theverge.com/2022/3/23/22993417/google-pilot-test-android-alternate-billing-systems-spotify

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theverge.com | Google will test letting Android developers use their own billing systems - The Verge

mjg59_

Grimes is dating Chelsea, apparently

matey

wow

matey

thats a cute couple

techrights-news

"Users who download the Spotify app from the Gulag Ploy Play store will soon be able to decide whether to subscribe to the audio streaming service using Gulag Ploy" https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/business/digital/google-spotify-android-payment-1235117575/

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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.hollywoodreporter.com | Google to Add Spotify Payment Option on Android Version of Audio App – The Hollywood Reporter

mjg59_

Explains a lot about Grimes walking around with Das Kapital

Mar 24 09:53

matey

is chelsea a marxist?

Mar 24 09:53

mjg59_

Honestly can't say anything about her political beliefs tbh

matey

fair enough

matey

when you said explains a lot

matey

i thought you meant you understood a connection there

mjg59_

Oh it just seems compatible with her sense of humour

matey

ah ok

Mar 24 09:55

matey

what do you think of someone musks age dating someone as young as grimes

Mar 24 09:55

matey

granted i think shes either 30 or close to it by now

Mar 24 09:55

matey

but i was thinking 25

Mar 24 09:56

mjg59_

Eh it's a 15 year or so difference and I think I trust her to make good decisions there?

Mar 24 09:56

techrights-news

"Facebook's attacks were truly shameless." https://pluralistic.net/2022/03/23/false-genocide-negative/#metacrap

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-pluralistic.net | Pluralistic: 23 Mar 2022 – Pluralistic: Daily links from Cory Doctorow

matey

yeah

matey

she looks younger than

matey

shes 33

matey

thats not such a big deal

techrights-news

"The forthcoming Artificial Intelligence Act (AI Act) is one step closer to its adoption." https://www.kolaja.eu/en/post/20220322-russia_demonstrates_how_ai_can_be_abused_three_significant_gaps_in_the_ai_act/

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.kolaja.eu | Russia demonstrates how AI can be abused - Marcel Kolaja

matey

i used to think she was like 20

techrights-news

"The materials sent to the printers in Russia include a message telling citizens that President Vladimir Putin, the Kremlin, and Russian media have been lying to them about the invasion." https://www.newsweek.com/anonymous-hacks-russian-printers-deliver-resistance-information-1690269

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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.newsweek.com | Anonymous Hacks Into Russian Printers to Deliver Resistance Information

mjg59_

There's some truth to the predatory men on younger women thing, but there's also a degree to which that removes their agency

mjg59_

She had her own indepenent thing going on so I don't see it as him imposing himself on her

Mar 24 09:59

matey

but there's also a degree to which that removes their agency <- yeah

Mar 24 09:59

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Mar 24 09:59

matey

theres a tendency to infantilise grown women regarding certain decisions

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matey

which begs the question at what age are they capable of living their own lives

techrights-news

"What Russia is doing is unacceptable." https://edri.org/our-work/propaganda-cannot-be-silenced-with-censorship-freedom-of-expression-can/

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-edri.org | Propaganda cannot be silenced with censorship, freedom of expression can - European Digital Rights (EDRi)

matey

if not 18

techrights-news

China handling Tibet https://www.rfa.org/english/news/tibet/writer-03222022121939.html

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.rfa.org | Tibetan writer released from prison in China after serving 13 years — Radio Free Asia

matey

i also didnt know until recently that musk was the richest person in the world?

matey

i thought it was bezos?

mjg59_

We impose legal boundaries on things because things are fuzzy

matey

i didnt even know musk was in the top 10

mjg59_

Not everyone has the same response to alcohol, but we have absolute drink-drive limits anyway

matey

yeah

matey

it cuts down at least, on people doing dumb and lethal things

mjg59_

His net worth is based on valuations he can't realistically liquidate at that value, but he's still fucking rich

matey

sure i mean, at that level of rich its impossible to do the math probably

matey

theres a degree of speculation

Mar 24 10:03

matey

and estimation

Mar 24 10:03

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Mar 24 10:03

mjg59_

schestowitz: You still haven't explained what I said that was a lie

Mar 24 10:04

DaemonFC

<mjg59_> Not everyone has the same response to alcohol, but we have absolute drink-drive limits anyway

Mar 24 10:04

DaemonFC

And then Democrat judges to go "OK Mr. Smith, I see you're on your 6th DUI so pay a fine and do 3 days in the jail. NEXT!".

DaemonFC

"Oh Mr. Brown, you recorded children using the toilet at the Marathon station? Two months county! NEXT!"

techrights-news

"They were taken into custody because of some songs they sang" https://anfenglishmobile.com/culture/one-artist-detained-after-aydin-newroz-5-released-on-judicial-control-58819

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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-anfenglishmobile.com | ANF | One artist detained after Aydın Newroz, 5 released on judicial control

mjg59_

matey: Anyway to your point I have many reasons to dislike ElMu but I don't think his relationship was inherently bad

Mar 24 10:06

DaemonFC

They probably can't stop Ketanji Brown Jackson from being on the Supreme Court, but they did give her a pretty good grilling yesterday.

Mar 24 10:06

mjg59_

But I do think Assange failed to support his sources in ways that hurt them

DaemonFC

Including for being soft on child molesters.

techrights-news

If you oppose tyrants, do not buy Apple https://citizenlab.ca/2022/03/engrave-condition-apples-political-censorship-leaves-taiwan-remains-in-hong-kong/

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-citizenlab.ca | Engrave Condition: Apple’s Political Censorship Leaves Taiwan, Remains in Hong Kong - The Citizen Lab

techrights-news

Russian police arrest man for holding up blank sheet of paper https://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/europe/russian-police-arrest-man-for-holding-up-blank-sheet-of-paper-1.4826435

Mar 24 10:08

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.irishtimes.com | Russian police arrest man for holding up blank sheet of paper

Mar 24 10:08

techrights-news

"Taliban intelligence men arrested three staff members of TOLO TV, one of Afghanistan's largest television stations, a channel executive said Friday." https://www.cbsnews.com/news/taliban-journalists-detention-censorship/

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DaemonFC

Laws don't cut down on crime very much.

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DaemonFC

People who are prone to doing them in the first place aren't sitting down reading law books, and it's obvious they're losers.

techrights-news

"The UK government’s much anticipated online safety bill has now been released. The bill seeks to impose a duty of care on companies, such as social [control] media platforms" https://theconversation.com/online-safety-bill-ambiguous-definitions-of-harm-could-threaten-freedom-of-speech-instead-of-protecting-it-179514

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-theconversation.com | Online safety bill: ambiguous definitions of harm could threaten freedom of speech – instead of protecting it

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DaemonFC

Even when they benefit from black privilege in court and have the judge cut them loose on promise to appear on murder charges...

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DaemonFC

They go an commit a string of armed robberies next county over while they're awaiting the murder trial.

mjg59_

Again, just going to point out https://stallman.org/articles/witch-hunt.html that argues distributing is fine as long as you didn't make it

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-stallman.org | Suggestion to the target of a witch hunt

DaemonFC

Like, what did the judge think would happen? Honestly?

techrights-news

"During Cruz's tense exchange with Jackson, where he listed books he claimed were teaching CRT, he pulled out a copy of sociology professor Alex Vitale’s The End of Policing." https://www.teenvogue.com/story/ted-cruz-end-of-policing

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DaemonFC

It's a good thing that she won't be in the majority.

DaemonFC

It's a bad thing she could even be on the court at all.

DaemonFC

She doesn't deserve to be.

techrights-news

Politicians think everyone is a pedophile https://edri.org/our-work/private-communications-are-a-cornerstone-of-democratic-society-and-must-be-protected-in-online-csam-legislation/

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-edri.org | Private communications are a cornerstone of democratic society and must be protected in online CSAM legislation - European Digital Rights (EDRi)

DaemonFC

She'll replace Clarence Thomas as the most foul thing on the Supreme Court, amazingly.

mjg59_

DaemonFC: Do you disagree with rms on this point?

DaemonFC

We'll have one black Nazi and one Burn Loot Murder judge. Christ!

Mar 24 10:13

DaemonFC

They got the worst of both possibilities, didn't they?

Mar 24 10:13

matey

just going to point out https://stallman.org/articles/witch-hunt.html that argues distributing is fine as long as you didn't make it <- thats not his actual argument

Mar 24 10:13

DaemonFC

"Imaginary children can't be hurt by drawing them."

Mar 24 10:14

mjg59_

matey: He says "I don't think it is wrong to distribute "child porn" images"

Mar 24 10:14

DaemonFC

That part is settled law. The US Supreme Court struck down the Child Online Protection Act as being unconstitutionally vague.

Mar 24 10:14

DaemonFC

The sentence of the only person convicted of it was overturned.

schestowitz-TR

I can see where the troll is taking the channel

mjg59_

matey: He agrees that making them is wrong, and you might want to boycott them to show that you don't support making them, but he doesn't assert that it's /wrong/

matey

his argument is made in an incredibly undiplomatic way, for reasons that should be obvious (i consider it unfortunate)

DaemonFC

Every state has an age of consent law.

DaemonFC

And none of them seem to be too ridiculous.

matey

but your representation of his argument (in fairness you cited it at least) is a fairly poor representation

matey

not, i would add, COMPLETELY poor

DaemonFC

It should be up to states as to what the community wants to do about such things.

DaemonFC

Not the federal government.

techrights-news

"Promoting Human Rights in the Digital Era." https://edri.org/our-work/promoting-human-rights-in-the-digital-era/

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-edri.org | Promoting human rights in the digital era - European Digital Rights (EDRi)

matey

but at least it makes it sound worse than what hes saying

matey

most importantly, he doesnt say its "fine"

DaemonFC

The federal government actually shouldn't be allowed to legislate at all on most things.

matey

he says For the sake of opposing sexual abuse of real children, I suggest that you boycott the images"

DaemonFC

But that's its own issue.

techrights-news

"Showing videos of POWs, regardless of the content or under what conditions it is obtained, is a violation of international law, experts say." https://www.navytimes.com/off-duty/military-culture/2022/03/22/posting-pow-footage-on-social-media-may-constitute-human-rights-violation/

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.navytimes.com | Posting POW footage on social media may constitute human rights violation

mjg59_

matey: My interpretation is (and this is an interpretation, not a quote) "It is not wrong to distribute child porn, but it's better not to because you reduce harm if there's less demand"

DaemonFC

I don't get how like, the age of consent can be 16. But if they want to be in porn, they can't be.

matey

right, if you had said that, instead of saying he said its "fine" i wouldnt be correcting anything

DaemonFC

Some have produced counterfeit driver's licenses and sneaked in and the world never ended and they're just fine now.

techrights-news

Internet dying in a certain sense (yes, ALREADY) https://www.internetsociety.org/blog/2022/03/what-is-the-splinternet-and-why-you-should-be-paying-attention/

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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.internetsociety.org | What Is the Splinternet? And Why You Should Be Paying Attention

mjg59_

matey: Ok, apologies for potentially misrepresenting that

matey

at any rate, he was playing with fire the way he did word it

DaemonFC

But Stallman doesn't specify what "children" means, so that's really disturbing.

matey

legal minors?

matey

what other definition would be relevant?

matey

i dont define computers when i talk about them

mjg59_

matey: My interpretation is still pretty much "You shouldn't feel bad for looking at child porn, but it would be better if you didn't"

DaemonFC

I don't think there should be a mismatch in the legal age for porn and the age of consent in a state.

DaemonFC

But I think it should be up to each state to decide what the uniform law is for both. The federal government should be restrained, by constitutional amendments, until it can't dictate our lives anymore.

mjg59_

matey: I think we can justifiably quibble over whether my use of "fine" was accurate, but there's still some sort of distinction drawn there

matey

DaemonFC in the uk there was a mismate in age of consent for gays and heterosexuals

techrights-news

Digital Restrictions (DRM): "HBO Max said the button is one of its most requested features. Streaming rivals like Netflix, Amazon, and Hulu, among others, have similarly experimented with shuffle functions on their apps" https://www.theverge.com/2022/3/23/22993709/hbo-max-shuffle-button-curb-your-enthusiasm-friends-south-park

DaemonFC

When they passed the law requiring people to pay for junk health insurance, it didn't improve their lives.

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theverge.com | HBO Max adds a shuffle button to help you find something to watch - The Verge

matey

matey: I think we can justifiably quibble over whether my use of "fine" was accurate <- that was my only quibble

DaemonFC

If it was a great product at a good price, they would have bought it already. The fine was there as punishment for not paying for a lousy product that cost too much money.

techrights-news

Digital Restrictions (DRM) empire looking for revenue streams. At whose expense? https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/business/digital/netflix-password-sharing-fees-1235116696/

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.hollywoodreporter.com | Netflix Password Sharing Update: Will the Streamer’s New Test Work? – The Hollywood Reporter

mjg59_

matey: Ugh I grew up in Northern Ireland and that was only fixed there in 2009

mjg59_

matey: There's a shitload of prejudice around the world, even in countries you believe are past that

matey

#techrights : 03/24/22 10:21 <mjg59_> matey: Ugh I grew up in <- one of my favoute places on earth

matey

/me blames mouse

DaemonFC

The real reason healthcare is collapsing and has been in hyperinflation for years is illegal aliens.

matey

Northern Ireland <- this rather

DaemonFC

They go into the ER for everything and don't pay their bill.

mjg59_

Abortion was only legalised in NI in 2019

DaemonFC

Then the hospital bills a citizen for the balance.

matey

i always assumed the law in ni was the same as the rest of the uk

matey

i guess not?

mjg59_

matey: No! NI was in a weird legal situation

matey

there you have it

DaemonFC

It's sketchy because they disarmed in exchange for a bad peace deal.

mjg59_

For a long time it was the only part of the UK you could keep a tiger

matey

a bad peace deal eh?

DaemonFC

And then the British removed their local government that they were promised later.

mjg59_

"bad peace deal" ha ha ha ah fucking no

matey

it was a lot nicer there after the bad peace deal

DaemonFC

And it gives it to them whenever it feels like it.

mjg59_

What? No

mjg59_

The British parliament takes over when NI fails to form a government, because otherwise there isn't one

matey

not only was it nicer, but generally speaking people were very happy that it was nicer

DaemonFC

<mjg59_> The British parliament takes over when NI fails to form a government, because otherwise there isn't one

DaemonFC

Even better.

matey

the peace deal worked because people were sick to fuck of fighting

DaemonFC

If the situation of not having a government is intolerable, there would be one quickly, I presume.

DaemonFC

Maybe they're worried people would like the short break.

mjg59_

Ok you genuinely don't have any idea what you're talking about here

mjg59_

Which is not unusual, but

DaemonFC

The natural state is for people to be skeptical of the government and to want to stop it from functioning at all in most cases.

mjg59_

If you're a US libertarian, sure

DaemonFC

But the government doesn't want to go anywhere, so it taxes you and establishes government schools to fill people's heads with propaganda.

mjg59_

That is not the universal natural state

DaemonFC

Then it can keep doing a shittier and shittier job.

DaemonFC

Until nobody even knows math or science, but does know how to keep voting for more welfare.

DaemonFC

Then the country collapses in slow motion.

matey

DaemonFC youre making the same mistake as ben shapiro right now

mjg59_

And NI, despite having a larger per-capita rocket launcher owner poplulation than the rest of the English-speaking democratic world, doesn't agree with that

DaemonFC

Unfortunately, they're still in power, so they don't care.

DaemonFC

There are some very badly broken countries where the people in power suffer, so don't care.

DaemonFC

*don't suffer

mjg59_

NI has the best education system of the entire UK

matey

the british have a different relationship with socialism than americans

DaemonFC

And that's exactly where America is heading because people tolerate the federal government running everything.

matey

so the left/right dynamic plays out differently

DaemonFC

Or ruining everything, rather.

DaemonFC

Before the feds took over healthcare, I didn't need insurance.

matey

largely because america never came out of a war in desperate need of an nhs

DaemonFC

I went and paid the doctor $40 or so and got my meds, and my meds were maybe 20-30% of what they cost now, without some ridiculous app.

mjg59_

DaemonFC: Ok could you please tie this back to Northern Ireland

DaemonFC

And then that was that.

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DaemonFC

The fucking stupid Democrats made everything healthcare-related 10 times more expensive than it was before.

matey

the stupid democrats based their plan on the work of mitt romney

DaemonFC

Then on the other end, they hide it by paying the insurance companies (deficit spending and taxes),.

mjg59_

yeah we were talking about Northern Ireland and the Democrats have a surprisingly small influence there

DaemonFC

Which causes the dollar to hyperinflate and taxes to have to go up eventually.

matey

<mjg59_> NI has the best education system <- howso?

DaemonFC

And then you have more problems. Gasoline, heating your house, FOOD, rent.

mjg59_

matey: Better government funding than anywhere else in the UK

DaemonFC

Politicians are almost always, like, the dumbest fucking people in the country.

matey

<DaemonFC> Which causes the dollar to hyperinflate and taxes to have to go up <- the us libertarian model of the dollar is a bit like a transistor

DaemonFC

And that's if you're lucky.

mjg59_

matey: Per capita, more money spend on education there than in England, Wales or Scotland

DaemonFC

They'll be so dumb it at least interferes with all of the corruption a little.

matey

didnt know that

matey

thats cool

kingoffrance

"the stupid democrats based their plan on the work of mitt romney" yes lol glad someone noticed, although i dont know details

matey

/me had a very serious relationship with someone from ni once

mjg59_

matey: Publicly fundend schools in NI are pretty much at the same level as private schools in England (ignoring outliers like Eton and so on)

DaemonFC

In Illinois, the people here have proven that the feds swooping in and arresting the politicians every week for the last 50 years hasn't changed anything.

matey

Publicly fundend schools in NI are pretty much at the same level as private schools in England <- sweet

DaemonFC

So what needs to happen is a transitional government being forced while everyone living here today chooses delegates to start over.

mjg59_

matey: The NI publicly funded school system got me into Cambridge

DaemonFC

New constitution, new legal code.

mjg59_

DaemonFC: Yeah can you associate that with NI at all

DaemonFC

That should be the beginning and the end of the federal influence on the states though, and the ones ripe for takeover to impose new governments would almost always be blue states that are impossible to purge corruption from otherwise.

DaemonFC

Where democracy has failed completely.

mjg59_

Pretty certain we could replace daemonfc with a GPT-3 bot

DaemonFC

Most governments skew towards corruption to some degree.

DaemonFC

It's just off the charts here and it always will be no matter how many people the feds come in and arrest.

mjg59_

I should just write one

DaemonFC

They got themselves a House Speaker even, and nothing changes.

techrights-news

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matey

mjg59_ if youre going to make fun of dfc with a bot, i have a better idea

mjg59_

Obviously I should use gpt-j instead

DaemonFC

"Starbucks as a sick cult of sociopathy and plutocracy. Poor people paying too much for a beverage to celebrate their plutophilia, hoping it'll make them SEEM well off."

matey

make a counter that tracks certain tropes

matey

sort of like a drinking game in bot form

DaemonFC

schestowitz-TR, It was established in Austin Powers that Dr. Evil owns Starbucks.

matey

for bonus points, make it take a drink and eventually slur its responses

mjg59_

Oh, just have a sign in my living room that flashes whenever racism or transphobia happens, and then everyone has to drink

DaemonFC

I'm not racist.

matey

/me giggles

matey

dfc you may not be as racist as some people think

mjg59_

k so you admit you're transphobic

*DaemonFC moves mjg59_ to South Chicago and sees how long he can stomach it.

DaemonFC

Then he can talk about fucking racism.

mjg59_

DaemonFC: Spent a bunch of time in South Chicago a few years back

DaemonFC

Right, and nobody even sends their own kids to the park to play.

DaemonFC

Because they know their neighborhood is shit and terrorized by criminals.

mjg59_

Dated someone from there

matey

i think he missed the part where you said you GREW UP in northern ireland

matey

as in you were there before the peace agreement, unless im mistaken

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mjg59_

matey: yeah he has this idea that I have literally never been exposed to any of the scenarios he complains about

mjg59_

matey: And, hilariously, I actually tick pretty much every single box there

DaemonFC

So you know how gross and dangerous it is down there.

DaemonFC

Good.

matey

yeah he has this idea that I have literally never been exposed to any of the scenarios <- well, i admit, you did seem that way

matey

but the minute you said you grew up in ni i knew different

DaemonFC

Glad it's not just, like, my opinion.

matey

its nice now!

mjg59_

DaemonFC: I disagree with your characterisation

DaemonFC

Oh really.

matey

it used to be sort of rough

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DaemonFC

Would you care to go walking around at 3 AM with $5,000 and some Apple products to prove your point?

DaemonFC

Because you can do that in most of Indiana and nothing will happen.

mjg59_

matey: I lived in Omagh, which had kind of a famous involvement in everything

matey

/me nods

DaemonFC

And if you're worried about it happening in Indiana, just carry a gun.

DaemonFC

No permit coming in July.

DaemonFC

Shoot them and say self-defense. Best law ever.

DaemonFC

They shouldn't have mugged you.

mjg59_

DaemonFC: Uh tbh if I were going to do that I'd feel more sketched out in Michigan City than Chicago

matey

dfc: they had to get rid of rubbish bins because they kept blowing up

DaemonFC

Michigan City IS Chicago....

DaemonFC

NWI is a shithole that the state gave up on.

DaemonFC

It's not really Indiana.

mjg59_

It's literally Indiana

DaemonFC

Only technically.

mjg59_

Legally

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mjg59_

A signficant distance from Chicago

DaemonFC

It's Chicago spillover. Majority-minority, same time zone.

DaemonFC

Same Metro Statistical Area.

DaemonFC

Lots of crime and pollution.

mjg59_

Ok cool can you define your terms then

mjg59_

Because apparently "Indiana" doesn't mean Indiana

DaemonFC

What would work out better is if Indiana gave that to Chicago, Illinois gave the 96 counties it doesn't take care of to Indiana, and then they part ways.

mjg59_

Draw me a map of the areas you want to ask me about

DaemonFC

Everyone would be a lot happier because the thugs, parasites, and criminals could live in the state of Chicago.

DaemonFC

And the decent people could be in Indiana and like it better there.

mjg59_

Yeah ok you're just going to bullshit again

mjg59_

"No true Indiana"

DaemonFC

I'm from Indiana and nobody there likes NWI.

mjg59_

schestowitz: can you point out the time I lied

DaemonFC

It's pretty much forgotten about.

mjg59_

DaemonFC: Other than those people who literally live there in Indiana

DaemonFC

They have no influence on state politics because they vote like Chicago in a state that's not corrupt and filthy and downtrodden like Illinois is.

DaemonFC

Nobody cares about NWI.

DaemonFC

That's why it's a sacrifice zone.

mjg59_

Uh huh

DaemonFC

The BP oil refinery and US Steel make the entire region literally stink and all the plantlife nearby dies.

mjg59_

DaemonFC

And they have people they don't care about living there

mjg59_

What I'm hearing here is that Indiana sucks

DaemonFC

And Gary Public Schools is the only one in the state to get an F rating.

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DaemonFC

No, NWI sucks.

mjg59_

Yeah, Indiana

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DaemonFC

It's because nobody in Indiana cares and nobody takes care of Gary, which is the county seat of Lake County for legacy reasons.

mjg59_

Oh no my north west

matey

mjg59_ not just indiana, NORTHERN indiana

DaemonFC

Every state has some area where nobody cares what happens there. Nobody cares what the troubles are.

mjg59_

Way to take some fucking responsibility

DaemonFC

Lake County, Indiana is that region.

DaemonFC

Ruined by industry. Nobody will ever invest there because who wants to live next to that?

matey

Nobody cares what the troubles are. <-

matey

lol

DaemonFC

The only people who couldn't afford to move are black.

*SomeH4x0r has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s)

mjg59_

Oh gosh it's true you did just describe the UK's opinion of NI

DaemonFC

So Gary is 90%+ black now and from the train, you can see all the houses falling over into the streets.

DaemonFC

Even a Walgreens had to close within NINETY DAYS of moving into Gary.

DaemonFC

Between the armed robberies and the shoplifting, they gave up on trying to turn a profit in less than NINETY DAYS.

DaemonFC

So they don't even have a Walgreens because they ran it off.

techrights-news

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DaemonFC

Even shitass San Francisco, where the prosecutor admits he doesn't try shoplifters, hasn't had that happen yet.

mjg59_

And again you're just lying

matey

mjg59_ so on the one hand, people in balaklavas and rubbish bins going up now and again

matey

on the other, walgreens cant even stay

matey

admit it, youve lead a cushy life mate

DaemonFC

The reason why there's so many train robberies going on in fucking California is because only retards live and vote there and put up with that shit.

DaemonFC

They should fall into the ocean.

mjg59_

Yeah LA that well known progressive heartland

matey

i dont deny that i bought the spoiled brat narrative when there were no other facts available

matey

but that at least doesnt hold up

DaemonFC

Most people with any means of getting out of California are starting to take whatever they can get for their house, pay state taxes one last time, and bolt.

DaemonFC

So it'll be like a really big Chicago shortly enough.

*SomeH4x0r (~someh4xx@n85eehxfx6eqn.irc) has joined #techrights

matey

and you can be married to narratives or give facts their due

mjg59_

The hilarious thing here is that DaemonFC hates me because back in 2008 I pointed out he was wrong on a technical detail about ACPI tables and then he signed me up to 300 spam lists

matey

and then he signed me up to 300 spam lists <- did he really?

DaemonFC

California is in an advanced state of failure.

matey

i didnt know you were here back then

matey

i knew he was :)

DaemonFC

It's where the locals realize that their US citizenship allows them to rage quit the state they pay a lot of taxes to and get little or nothing from and leave.

matey

im so curious what he was wrong about about acpi tables (i know very little about them)

mjg59_

matey: https://mjg59.livejournal.com/97151.html

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DaemonFC

Then what happens is the people who pay nothing and take are all still there.

matey

i know what shuttleworth said about acpi

matey

oh my god, livejournal

matey

i know, it was 2008

DaemonFC

Because they didn't have to be the first to go, obviously, only now there's nothing to pay for all of their welfare (except the feds, I suppose).

DaemonFC

Then there's a state budget crisis and an unpaid bills pile and you get the credit rating of Russia.

DaemonFC

That happened to Illinois and New Jersey already.

mjg59_

matey: Foxconn had a bug in their BIOS that meant they misinterpreted what a flag in the ACPI spec said, so if you suspended your system wouldn't resume correctly

DaemonFC

Yet, Windows added a workaround for the bug 4 years before a motherboard shipped with the bug.

DaemonFC

How very convenient.

mjg59_

matey: I helped them track that down and they fixed their BIOS, and I also fixed Linux to behave in the way their BIOS assumed because that's what Windows did and not everybody gets a fixed BIOS update

*psydruid knows that much of ROI and NI is much less developed than NL, DE and Scandinavia

DaemonFC

That Microsoft works around a bug in 2003 that has no hardware shipping until early 2008. (so 4+ years, really).

DaemonFC

So yeah, "bug".

mjg59_

psydroid9: Accurate, especially re: NI - the area I grew up in was one of the most impoverished parts of the UK

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DaemonFC

Someone went back in time 4.5 years and told Microsoft to fix a bug they planned on shipping?

DaemonFC

mjg59_ seems to have selective memory recall.

DaemonFC

At the time, I posted that I downloaded and tried every version of Windows the motherboard would run.

matey

"Websites that claim you'll never be able to get them taken down are quite easy to get taken down Legal threats are an excellent way of obtaining information The IP address used to subscribe me (and several others ) to a vast number of mailing lists was 68.57.223.4. Which seems to belong to Ryan Farmer"

mjg59_

matey: So when DaemonFC decided that Microsoft's plausible but not necessarily correct interpretation of the spec was a conspiracy on the part of Foxconn and I demonstrated otherwise, he signed me up to a shitload of spam

DaemonFC

They "fixed" the "bug" with a workaround in Windows XP Service Pack 2 Beta.

matey

presumably no longer his ip

DaemonFC

But no hardware was out until late in the lifecycle of Vista.

mjg59_

matey: Oh no, but if you search that IP you might still get hits of IRC logs that include it

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matey

well i used to have all the logs back to 2008

matey

but i dont

DaemonFC

So Microsoft worked around a bug in 2003 that didn't exist until 2008?

mjg59_

matey: Turns out the spamza.com people talked a teenager in Canada into hosting their site, so when I asked him for logs he gave them up

mjg59_

DaemonFC: Did you put my email address into spamza.com

DaemonFC

If you used Windows 2000 or original XP, and resumed, the system went into a coma.

techrights-ipfs-bot

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mjg59_

matey: I've still got that email somewhere, can pull it out if you like

DaemonFC

Windows 2003 Server did it too, until that system got a SP1.

mjg59_

DaemonFC: Did you put my email addres into spamza.com

mjg59_

(Note he's not denying it)

matey

<mjg59_> matey: I've still got that email somewhere, can pull it out if you like <- ive seen enough to satisfy my feeling that its plausible

matey

im more curious what dfc was wrong about regarding acpi

mjg59_

Oh! It was kind of subtle

matey

so far ive read your qualifications

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matey

but not what he was wrong about

mjg59_

https://mjg59.livejournal.com/94998.html describes why his claims didn't make sense - a lot of details there, but doesn't describe what was actually wrong

Mar 24 11:01

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Mar 24 11:01

DaemonFC

I'm probably just going to give up on the PC as a platform at some point anyway.

matey

and switch to what daemonfc

DaemonFC

At this point most of the programs I use are either cross platform or emulators anyway.

DaemonFC

<matey> and switch to what daemonfc

DaemonFC

Haven't decided. But even the Raspberry Pi systems are powerful enough for anything I do.

matey

if theyre not now, they will be soon

Mar 24 11:03

matey

mjg59_ youre basically giving me proof he was wrong, i was only looking for a simple anecdote

Mar 24 11:03

matey

this wasnt something i was going to hinge your credibility on

mjg59_

matey: the fundamental flaw was that the spec implies (but was not super clear on) the fact that the firmware should clear the ACPI_WAKE_STATUS flag before handing off to the OS

matey

okay

mjg59_

And Linux assumed it was cleared

matey

mjg59_

https://launchpadlibrarian.net/16604925/foxconn.diff made Linux work

DaemonFC

I don't think you have to run Raspbian, but from what I can tell, the Microsoft shit in Raspbian is an APT repository and signing key?

mjg59_

I think the BIOS was wrong and Linux was right, but it was three lines of code that made Linux work fine on that board

DaemonFC

Those are easy enough to remove and then Microsoft can't slip things onto the computer.

matey

<DaemonFC> I don't think you have to run Raspbian, but from what I can tell, the Microsoft shit in Raspbian is an APT repository and signing key? <- plus they now own "azure tros" which they didnt make but they bought it

matey

and that runs in the gpu

matey

so if you REALLY HATE microsoft, like i do

matey

the rasp spy is not for you

mjg59_

matey: Anyway I published that and then DaemonFC filled my inbox with spam

matey

but if you ditch raspbian you wont have the repo and signing key issue

DaemonFC

I use Wine, but it's just for some games and programs that unfortunately only have a Windows version.

matey

<mjg59_> matey: Anyway I published that and then DaemonFC filled my inbox with spam <- lol

matey

/mw wonders how old dfc was in 2008

DaemonFC

It's not like that suddenly makes Windows a competent OS.

mjg59_

DaemonFC: We're ok with agreeing that you filled my inbox with spam right

DaemonFC

<matey> /mw wonders how old dfc was in 2008

matey

mjg59_ its possible, even if the evidence points to ryan, that MAYBE he didnt, right?

*DaemonFC wonders why railing about 2008 is cool

mjg59_

matey: Some teenager in Canada gave me an IP address that DaemonFC was using

DaemonFC

It wasn't a fantastic year though.

DaemonFC

Well, you know....teenagers.

schestowitz

siggi

DaemonFC

Not just teenagers....some teenager in Canada.

schestowitz

fbi: we hire pedophiles

schestowitz

at age 16 or thereabouts

DaemonFC

This is turning into Rudy Giuliani and the laptop.

schestowitz

to spy on Wikileaks

mjg59_

matey: Kid in question was just running a Quake server on his home IP and had no interest in linux, so no obvious reason to finger the guy who was already angry at me on the internet

matey

DaemonFC i see it as a prank, not something youre required to answer

mjg59_

DaemonFC: Man you know you could just deny it

matey

mjg59_ i was just going to say that

DaemonFC

mjg59_, Maybe I just want to see if you'll go to the Four Seasons Total Landscaping and hold a press conference.

matey

mjg59_ there is at least ONE possible reason why people should ignore such questions from you of course

DaemonFC

To see if your hair dye leaks.

matey

to be fair

mjg59_

DaemonFC: oh my hair is falling out but it's retaining its colour

mjg59_

I'd prefer the opposite tbh

matey

/me seriously wonders if his hairline isnt receding

matey

but ive done the bald thing already, so no biggie

DaemonFC

Mine started to in 2019, but it hasn't gotten worse.

matey

/me stopped being bald because it was too much work

DaemonFC

I think it was just because it was a really bad year.

mjg59_

I've been balding since I was 22, I don't have a lot to protect here

mjg59_

DaemonFC: Anyway is it fair to say that you put my email address into Spamza in 2008

Mar 24 11:11

mjg59_

Maybe you think you had a good reason to!

Mar 24 11:11

matey

mjg59_ there is one reason that maybe no one should answer such questions of yours ever, right?

Mar 24 11:11

mjg59_

matey: Oh god there's no universe where I could sue him for that

matey

not that

matey

its your image

mjg59_

Also I do know some Hackers but I am not going to unleash terror upon people

DaemonFC

Well, there's a lot of reasons why nobody would bother.

DaemonFC

Mainly because the buzzards have picked me clean already.

matey

something between torquemada and cardinal richilau

matey

mjg59_ image-wise, youre no better than a cross between an fbi profiler and harriet the spy, you know

mjg59_

I'm a middle aged dude with a receding hairline I do not actually have the power to fuck someone over

matey

i mean, most people here, rightly or wrongly, figure this will all end up in a twitter storm

mjg59_

Like fuck I have plenty of evidence that DaemonFC did this thing him saying anything doesn't matter at all at this point

matey

Like fuck I have plenty of evidence that DaemonFC did this thing him saying anything doesn't matter at all at this point <- thats other sid of it, true

matey

if i was his lawyer of course, id tell him not to say anything

mjg59_

I think he's a terrible person but I promise I'm not going to do anything about shit that happend almost 15 years ago

matey

I think he's a terrible person <- other than being racist?

mjg59_

Also the transphobia

DaemonFC

A very racist person that's in an interracial marriage.

DaemonFC

Wow, learn something new every day.

mjg59_

Yeah, not impossible

matey

im not sure if hes generally transphobic or just transphobic about his aunt

DaemonFC

Oh, Keith.

DaemonFC

Yeah, that guy's a real piece of work.

mjg59_

Oh no not again

DaemonFC

No psychiatrist would even say he was trans.

DaemonFC

Buffalo Bill

mjg59_

But yeah he's misgendered people previously

matey

But yeah he's misgendered people previously <- i dont really doubt it

mjg59_

And used transphobic slurs

matey

i wasnt there, or i dont recall, its just

matey

let me explain

matey

he rants about blacks all day long

mjg59_

Oh no need I understand

matey

and says almost nothing about anyone trans

matey

so i figure

matey

if he was very transphobic he would give them equal time

matey

like the kansas city school board

matey

its pure assumption on my part

mjg59_

He also has strong opinions about how I describe my partner

DaemonFC

I can't name a time where I saw a very mean looking trans person who probably had a gun walking towards my car.

matey

He also has strong opinions about how I describe my partner <- well thats unnecessary

matey

your partner never did anything to him

mjg59_

Right!

DaemonFC

And I was in there grinding my teeth hoping the light would change.

DaemonFC

That's why they don't get equal time.

DaemonFC

They're not important enough for me to care about as far as impact on my life and safety.

matey

theres definite logic there, dfc

DaemonFC

So, I'm pretty much neutral on the issue of trans people. I just had a really funny uncle.

matey

im not even being sarcastic

DaemonFC

mjg59_

And I do undertand his concerns that "partner" has been used to undermine same-sex spouses as something not equivalent to marriage

matey

So, I'm pretty much neutral on the issue of trans people <- this was my impression overall

mjg59_

But I genuinely don't have a better word to use here

matey

But I genuinely don't have a better word to use here <- yeah, if youre not married, "spouse" makes less sense to use

Mar 24 11:20

mjg59_

I'm dating a non-binary person, what am I supposed to use to describe them?

Mar 24 11:20

DaemonFC

Well, Home Depot was recently forcing all of their employees into the "tolerance re-education camp".

Mar 24 11:20

matey

dunno

DaemonFC

With a worksheet claiming all white people have white privilege.

mjg59_

"Partner" is easiest

DaemonFC

And from the workings of the local court system, they actually seem to do almost nothing to black felons.

DaemonFC

But I go in there accused of a misdemeanor and it's kitchen sink day.

mjg59_

And, again, racism

mjg59_

Anyway summary DaemonFC does not deny that he signed me up for spam in 2008

DaemonFC

How do you get punished MORE for a Class C Misdemeanor than some black guy who was video taping children using the toilet and saving the vids on his computer?

mjg59_

DaemonFC: Did you sign me up for spam in 2008

DaemonFC

I mean, in what fucked up universe does that happen>?

mjg59_

DaemonFC: Did you sign me up for spam in 2008

matey

Anyway summary DaemonFC does not deny that he signed me up for spam in 2008 <- again, if i were the lawyer of anyone in here, i would tell them not to answer questions like that

matey

not because you might sue

matey

but because you might go on a twitter streak

mjg59_

matey: Yeah entirely, but like the "Innocent until proven guilty" thing people could draw conclusions even without him saying anything

DaemonFC

Well, that's in the UK anyway.

schestowitz-TR

DaemonFC was not even in our channels back then

DaemonFC

Where they can use silence as an admission of guilt.

schestowitz-TR

and he would be used ad infinitum by mjg59_

matey

in 2008? he certainly was

DaemonFC

Civilized countries don't do that.

schestowitz-TR

for straw man accusations

matey

he was here in 2008 and he got banned a couple times :)

schestowitz

matey: we came stalking you... http://schestowitz.com/royrianne/gallery/index.php/Ireland/Belfast/Belfast-Town-Hall looking for you, didn't find you

matey

but there was no no-ban policy then

mjg59_

Yeah the logs do indicate that he was here, but it's not something schestowitz-TR has any responsbility for

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schestowitz

put some accuation in twitter of me stalking you

schestowitz

in NI and in IRC ;-)

schestowitz

oh, wait

DaemonFC

In the UK, I've heard the police warning that if you say something they'll use it against you, and if you don't say something that could help you, you may not be able to raise it as a defense later.

schestowitz

it is the opposite

DaemonFC

So you're basically fucked if you say anything, and fucked if you stay quiet.

mjg59_

DaemonFC: Did you sign me up for spam in 2008

schestowitz

BTW, your lawyers went on a fishing expedition for my home address

schestowitz

next time you might "SWAT me"

DaemonFC

At least in the US, if you stay quiet they can't do anything.

mjg59_

schestowitz: Your home address is on techrights.org

DaemonFC

In the US, it's the opposite, actually.

DaemonFC

If you talk to the police it can only hurt you. They'll either forget to write down anything you say that helps, or the hearsay rule will disqualify it later.

mjg59_

schestowitz: grep your logs

DaemonFC

But you're free to raise anything you want in your own defense in court, therefore, you gain nothing, ever, by talking to the police.

matey

/me knows that dfc was here and that he was banned

matey

but i think the ban was lifted after a day or so

mjg59_

Anyway summary is DaemonFC made accusations against Foxonn that were not demonstrably true, Foxconn fixed their bug, I made Linux resiliant against equivalent bugs, DaemonFC signed me up for spam

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mjg59_

I made Linux better and he punishedme

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DaemonFC

They can and do lie. They'll say anything to make you talk and to keep you talking, then you find out later it was all a lie, but they got everything they needed and wrote it down.

DaemonFC

And now your lawyer can't help you.

matey

it should be noted for completeness that this is all based on an ip address and timing

matey

which is also what the riaa considers reasonable doubt

matey

im not saying that means he didnt do it

matey

just what level of proof it is

DaemonFC

The RIAA lost tens of millions of dollars doing that and then stopped.

DaemonFC

Laid off 80%. Then said it was an "educational campaign".

matey

yeah im not a fan of the riaas concept of due process

mjg59_

matey: It was clearly DaemonFC who raised the issue in the first place, so that side of things is established

matey

matey: It was clearly DaemonFC who raised the issue in the first place <- im not ignoring your side of the argument either

DaemonFC

In revenge, there usually is no profit. The RIAA found that out.

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mjg59_

matey: So the kid who was hosting Spamza would have had to know what was going on and pick out his address for who signed me up

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DaemonFC

But they had to say it was an "educational campaign".

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DaemonFC

What were they going to do? Admit that they lost several dozen millions of dollars suing people who had nothing and then never being able to enforce it?

mjg59_

And I mean this is not court if he wants to just lie here he can there's no perjury involved

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mjg59_

But instead he just doesn't answer and if he had lawyers they'd have told him it doesn't matter now

matey

why would a lie satisfy you better than silence?

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DaemonFC

So they got those ridiculous laws passed that let them claim hundreds of thousands in damages for an MP3 and none of it mattered.

matey

and if he had lawyers they'd have told him it doesn't matter now <- as i said theres another reason for him to ignore your questioning

mjg59_

Eh honestly just any recognition that it was a thing that happened would be nice

DaemonFC

They keep looking for a way to make it matter, but it doesn't matter.

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mjg59_

I didn't sue him, he didn't have lawyers

matey

what was the business about legal threats and gaining information?

DaemonFC

Roy says he's being doxxed by mjg59_ for some reason.

DaemonFC

And worries he'll be SWATed.

matey

i dont believe roy actually worries about a thing in the world

matey

and i dont think mjg is going to swat him

DaemonFC

Which seems to say that Roy thinks mjg59_ is unstable enough to do such a thing.

mjg59_

matey: I emailed the teenager and said I'd call his parents if he didn't give me the logs

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mjg59_

matey: I never published any information about the teengager or his phone number

matey

I emailed the teenager and said I'd call his parents if he didn't give me the logs <- the kid was running this spam signup service?

mjg59_

matey: Ha not quite - he was hanging out on a hacker IRC channel and some people asked if someone could host it

mjg59_

He gave them a shell, lulz ensured

matey

mjg59_

He'd actually self-doxxed via a Quake forum

matey

have you ever doxxed someone for a lesser offense than rape?

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matey

note im not implying you ever doxxed someone

mjg59_

matey: I don't think I've even done that

matey

i think the biggest concern is not doxxing (as dfc says roy says) but brigading

matey

and i can understand why theyre concerned about you brigading

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mjg59_

roy's home address is not hard to find, but I'm not going to point to it because that would be a dick move

matey

which could lead (indirectly) to doxxing

mjg59_

And I haven't shared it with anyone

matey

tbh i think i know where it is, and i think its fake

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matey

but that also means there is no threat

mjg59_

Eh if Roy ripped up a letter from me, the letter got there

matey

fair point

mjg59_

But like I said not doxxing anyone

matey

if i was the lawyer of anyone in here

matey

and im not a lawyer, so this is very hypothetical

mjg59_

Oh man I would be "STOP TALKING SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUT UP"

matey

id advise them not to answer you because you might go brigading on twitter

matey

i mean twitter at this point is like one giant brigade fest

matey

who even uses reddit for that anymore

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mjg59_

Ryan's had literally over a decade on this if I wanted to fuck him up in any way I'd have done so

matey

right

matey

and i think probably...

mjg59_

I don't actually have that power

matey

the "local" image of you by now is overstated

matey

and become a thing of legend

mjg59_

And geez him being angry on IRC is not enough to justify anything

matey

but that doesnt mean their concerns are completely out of left field either

matey

if you were THAT bad i imagine leah would never forgive you as well

mjg59_

I did what I wanted to back in 2008, it's done

mjg59_

I only mention it now in terms of explaining why he hates me

matey

i was just going to ask how we got on the topic

matey

anyway, thats your reputation here

matey

harriet the spy: twitter edition

mjg59_

Not illegitimate

matey

so if people are reluctant to answer questions, this is why

mjg59_

But I think that's established, not much more to do there

matey

its hard not to think of it as a funny prank

matey

at least 14 years later i mean

Mar 24 11:43

matey

if it were last week id think it was fucked up

Mar 24 11:43

matey

if it was over a disagreement about acpi it was surely unwarranted

matey

i presume you fixed it somehow

mjg59_

At the time it was a shitload of work filtering all of it out so I could actually read me work mail

matey

yeah its not something id enjoy to be sure

mjg59_

I managed to come up with some filters that identified the worst of it

Mar 24 11:45

matey

am i giving too much benefit of the doubt for wondering if it wasnt a coincidence?

Mar 24 11:45

mjg59_

Coincidentally from an IP address that he was using on IRC at the same time?

Mar 24 11:45

matey

/me thinks...

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matey

im trying to think of a way

mjg59_

I definitely had preconceptions about who was responsible, but I didn't say anything until I cross-correlated the IP address

matey

as far as i know

matey

there are two ways i can think of (neither terribly plausible) that it could be someone else

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matey

1. he had an open router and someone else using his connection you had ALSO pissed off :)

mjg59_

Also you should assume that I could just me making shit up

leah

i have been summoned

*leah reading backlog

mjg59_

leah: Sorry I think accidental in this case

mjg59_

But in this case I was making shit up in 2008 and still care about it

mjg59_

And mostly what that says is I'm old

matey

well i certainly never consider what you say written on stone tablets or anything

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matey

fabricating a 2008 lj post just to frame dfc for a 14 year old spam prank would be pretty hilarious

mjg59_

I wouldn't put it past me

mjg59_

I am that kind of asshole

matey

if you went to all that trouble for something so small

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matey

id have to think maybe you loved him, just a little

mjg59_

But in this case web.archive.org is on my side

matey

yes but youre a superhacker, so

matey

what is web.archive.org really

matey

this is why its a blessing and a curse to become a legend

mjg59_

Eh it's only a couple of miles away maybe I could walk there and break in and just swap out some drives to corrupt their RAID in a way that recontstructed this

matey

can mjg59 3d print a rock so heavy he cant hack it?

mjg59_

Have you seen my muscles literally yes

mjg59_

It would not need to be a heavy rock

matey

I could walk there and break in and just swap out some drives to corrupt their RAID in a way that recontstructed this <- like a very nasty, very vindictive, very petty and spiteful version of aaron swartz

mjg59_

Eh Aaron's brother is a friend and this turns into a heavy topic

mjg59_

i see where you're coming from but I can't really give a flippant answer

matey

fwiw i went to visit mit as a young lad

matey

i was interested in going

matey

and i met a famous inventor who was a professor there

matey

but i fucking hate them for what they did to aaron

matey

(and stallman, for that matter)

leah

matey: please summarize what you were talking about, when you pinged me. tell me what is the nature of the current discussion between you and mjg59_. there's quite a lot of backlog that i'm skimming through

matey

leah: in a line or two, this:

matey

if mjg was the level of arsehole that his legendary status has become here

matey

you would know, and hold it against him

matey

you dont

matey

therefore at least SOME of his legendary status is probably not very firmly established

mjg59_

matey: I am not happy with how MIT treated aaron

matey

matey: I am not happy with how MIT treated aaron <- i wouldnt dream of suggesting you were

matey

and i was going to say, i dont think what they did to stallman is quite on par with that, in a number of obvious ways

matey

though i will say, i was concerned at first that he might kill himself too

matey

and thats not hyperbole

leah

matey: mjg59_ *is* an asshole, but so am i

leah

so meh

mjg59_

leah: I had no idea you prefered the US spelling

leah

matey

leah uses a number of american spellings

matey

but their accent is very british

mjg59_

asshole v arsehole

matey

britain is getting increasingly lax on these things too

leah

whatever

leah

matey: fundamentally, i don't believe mjg59_ is evil, as i said the other day, i disagree with some of his positions

leah

now, what, specifically, is this discussion about?

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matey

leah: its mostly about mjg and his relationship to the website that accompanies the server this chat is on

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matey

or to roy

mjg59_

leah: Oh, roughly whether DaemonFC is a dick and whether I habitually lie

matey

that too ^

leah

i thought ariadne hosted techrights?

mjg59_

Seriously not your problem

matey

i thought ariadne hosted techrights? <- yes but she doesnt like to talk about it

matey

really the only point you were mentioned was this

matey

if mjg were evil

matey

you would probably know

matey

and i doubt youd cover for him

matey

thats the whole thing

matey

basically i was putting some stock in your opinion of him

matey

thats it

leah

i mean yeah, don't drag me into your catfights. my only beef with mjg59_ was: 1) rms stance and 2) his libreboot remarks in 2015. i recently re-read the 2015 remarks and realized he was just... being correct in the most technical way possible in 2015. and rms... meh, who cares, i saw something in him back in 2021 but he let me down and now i've abandoned him

matey

i mean yeah, don't drag me into your catfights <- this isnt a catfight

matey

weve had a pretty civil conversation for like days straight

leah

the uefi secureboot thing is another thing that annoys me. and mjg59_'s recently promotion of pluton crap

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leah

oh mjg59_ you asked me to remind you to promote libre silicon and sam zeloof

leah

i'm reminding you

leah

you said you'd forget

matey

/me has been talking with someone else who promoses zeloof too

leah

but i never forget a thing

mjg59_

Oh! Yes, I failed at that. Will try tomorrow.

matey

promotes

matey

and jri

leah

matey: but mjg59_ isn't responsible for uefi

matey

jeri

leah

i just find it annoying that secureboot got normalized in all the distros

matey

leah: this isnt about personal antagonism between mjg59 and me at all

leah

mjg59_: yeah mention jeri ellsworth too

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leah

in my opinion, the distros should have completely refused to implement any support for secureboot

leah

they should have outright refused

leah

and/or pushed for coreboot

matey

in my opinion, the distros should have completely refused to implement any support for secureboot <- i would have preferred this as well

leah

or at least, a free tianocore implementation

matey

it was like negotiating with terrorists

leah

secureboot doesn't even protect you

matey

jsut to be clear, mjg isnt the terrorists, hes the negotiator

leah

grub in boot flash has far superior options, as does a linux kernel in flash

leah

coreboot is superior

mjg59_

I'd disagree there, but it does depend on your firmware being trustworthy

leah

matey: and rms gave him a fucking award lol

mjg59_

We've seen real-world attacks that secure boot would have blocked

leah

matey: mjg59_ used to be on fsf board of directors

DaemonFC

Yeah, that famous Linux bootloader, Windows Boot Manager.

DaemonFC

mjg59_ talks about Secure Boot blocking an attack, and there's a picture of the Windows Boot Manager screen.

DaemonFC

DaemonFC

Amazing.

leah

mjg59_: grub can do these things: 1) verify gpg signatures on files 2) boot luks and geli encrypted partitions

DaemonFC

An attack on Windows. Hardly ever happens, you know. ;)

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leah

mjg59_: secureboot just signs your bootloader

schestowitz

'secure' boot IS the attack

http://techrights.org/2020/07/30/wontboot-meme/

schestowitz

mjg59_

DaemonFC: Yeah turns out almost everyone interesting runs Windows. How do you want your laptop to distinguish?

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leah

with coreboot, flash protection and grub with password, gpg checking kernels etc and booting them from encrypted /boot, i'd say you have superior security

leah

mjg59_: but grub has limitations: upstream luks lacks detached luks header/keyfile support

DaemonFC

<mjg59_> DaemonFC: Yeah turns out almost everyone interesting runs Windows. How do you want your laptop to distinguish?

leah

there are patches for that, but only for luks1, not luks2 yet, and not in upstream either, and grub's luks2 implementation is incomplete

leah

if you want FDE stuff, i recommend linux in flash

DaemonFC

Well, with Windows Update getting itself jammed up and all the data corruption and Bitlocker bugs...

leah

with u-root for kexec

DaemonFC

It's amazing they get anything done BEFORE the malware.

leah

u-root, not to be confused with u-boot

mjg59_

leah: Local management is hard and I don't have a good answer

leah

we should be pushing for more coreboot

leah

imo

leah

google ships coreboot

mjg59_

DaemonFC: That doesn't answer the question

leah

system76 ships coreboot on some machines. and framework is interested in coreboot

leah

mjg59_: local management?

DaemonFC

Google will ship pretty much anything they can get their hands on though.

DaemonFC

They're packrats.

mjg59_

leah: The device owner

leah

hey, don't shit on google. they're the reason libreboot has decent video init lol

leah

on like, all thinkpads

leah

mjg59_: freedom is always superior

leah

but secureboot is inferior, free or not

DaemonFC

I have this Thinkbook with the visible 'firmware bug" messages before my splash screen.

DaemonFC

So that's nice.

DaemonFC

uEFI strikes again.

leah

linux/grub in flash has much greater security features

mjg59_

leah: Nobody should ever be prevented from running what they want

leah

and uefi is bloat

leah

absolute bloat

leah

linux does bare metal you know

mjg59_

leah: But equally, everyone should be able to specify what they want

leah

on like

leah

everything

DaemonFC

Remember the time Microsoft did Hello World in C and it was several hundred lines long?

leah

mjg59_: specify what they want, for/in/on what?

leah

DaemonFC: gnu beat that record

leah

see:

https://www.gnu.org/software/hello

leah

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DaemonFC

Microsoft's didn't have all these features.

leah

i tried to fork it recently, as a joke to prove a point, i was going to make a program called "insult" based on it, that insults the user

leah

i failed. the code is terrible

DaemonFC

It was literally just Hello World in English only.

DaemonFC

No features.

leah

DaemonFC: gnu hello depends on gettext and gnulib

leah

and both are blights on humanity

leah

gnulib especially

leah

yeah let's replace all the c library functions and extend them in a way where bsd can't use any code that links against gnulib

leah

that's gnulib

DaemonFC

<leah> yeah let's replace all the c library functions and extend them in a way where bsd can't use any code that links against gnulib

leah

and gnu hello doesn't even *have* .po files in it for translating Hello World

DaemonFC

That's actually quite funny.

leah

it relies on a library in gnulib for that

leah

so like, the main purpose of gnu hello - print hello world in every language - isn't even implemented in gnu hello

leah

DaemonFC: it gets better

leah

lots of gnu projects bootstrap gnulib in their build system, but then heavily patch it

leah

so there are like

leah

10 different versions of gnulib being maintained

leah

so gnulib isn't even fulfilling its stated purpose: being a portability library

Mar 24 12:13

leah

and uefi is... worse than what i just described, if you use intel's reference implementation, called tianocore

Mar 24 12:13

leah

that reference implementation is used (and modified) by all the commercial vendors

leah

all of them

leah

that codebase is spaghetti, and almost as big as linux

leah

just to load yet another bootloader

leah

uefi is microsoft garbage. it's main benefit is only to windows

leah

linux/bsd runs on bare metal on most machines

mjg59_

I'll defend the functionality UEFI offers, I will not defend the implementation

leah

just put linux in flash

leah

or grub

leah

your boot speeds will be insane

leah

bonus: built-in operating system

DaemonFC

Extensible Firmware Interface. Just drag and drop code from the BIOS to extend.

mjg59_

Modern UEFI overhead is <0.5s, but there's some space to win there

leah

stick busybox and musl in there with u-root

DaemonFC

Code that references Windows 98, even!

DaemonFC

It doesn't matter!

leah

mjg59_: coreboot is <0.1s

leah

and sometimes is so fast that it introduces race conditions

DaemonFC

Dalek voice: EXTEND EXTEND EXTEND!!!

mjg59_

leah: Without payload, sure

leah

coreboot with a light payload

leah

mjg59_: yeah grub bootstrap admitedly is quite slow

mjg59_

leah: FSP tho

leah

what about fsp

mjg59_

Sloooooooooooooooow

matey

so gnulib isn't even fulfilling its stated purpose: being a portability library <- huzzah

leah

then don't use fsp

mjg59_

I would love to not use FSP

leah

though amd is worse than intel imo

leah

at least with intel, you get blobs that you can actually reverse engineer

mjg59_

But then I need to write raminit for 10th gen

leah

then do it

DaemonFC

AMD has their roots in being a government-mandated second source for x86 CPUs if I recall correctly.

mjg59_

Oh I'm writing stuff to drop more AMD blobs

matey

the main purpose of gnu hello - print hello world in every language - isn't even implemented in gnu hello <- i though the main purpose of gnu hello was to show how to create a gnu project using a simple example

leah

mjg59_: oh?

DaemonFC

They've never really been on par with Intel. They're just good enough to sell at lower price points.

mjg59_

leah: Most of what runs on PSP is plaintext ARM code

leah

matey: it shows how to create a gnu project

leah

and gnu shows you how not to create a project

DaemonFC

When AMD grabbed ATI, I switched to Radeon cards on my Intel PCs though.

matey

to show how to create a gnu project using a simple example <- it fails spectacularly at this as well

mjg59_

So may as well write stuff to pull that out of the BIOS images

DaemonFC

I had been doing Intel and Nvidia before when there was going to be a proprietary driver either way.

DaemonFC

Because ATI's crashed a lot more.

leah

mjg59_: i was of the assumption that psp stuff is locked down

matey

for fun you could call it amd-libre

leah

and amd gives you a nice little shim environment

DaemonFC

Microsoft has this amusing thing called the "Windows Hardware Quality Lab".

matey

amusing because it says both "windows" and "quality"

DaemonFC

And the drivers you get from it are usually old, unstable, and not even meant for the build of Windows you are running.

DaemonFC

Sometimes they're not even complete.

leah

i mean

leah

running windows is futile

DaemonFC

Like, at one point they tried giving me a driver with no Vulkan support.

mjg59_

leah: It's signed, but a bunch isn't encrypted

mjg59_

leah: May as well figure out what it's doing

DaemonFC

Microsoft strips out things like that to discourage developers from even thinking about using Vulkan.

leah

you reckon you might crack the privkeys?

DaemonFC

Figuring it'll be a complete mess on Windows that will result in support tickets.

leah

mjg59_: i do notice you talking in #coreboot on libera sometimes. if you're working on coreboot, then that is commendable

leah

thank you for doing that

matey

/me has created a monster

leah

honestly, i'm just milking whatever value is possible for now from older intel platforms. but x86 is a dead-end

leah

i want to jump off that burning barge as soon as possible

DaemonFC

Vulkan might be better served in the long run by a simple dispatch library that figures out at runtime whether it's best to shim Vulkan to the platform's native graphics API or to use the video driver's Vulkan library.

leah

certain arm platforms are promising, but i honestly don't have much faith

leah

sam zeloof's work is revolutionary and we need more of that, imo

matey

\o/

matey

and jeri

leah

riscv is giving you the isa and telling you to go build an fpga or something. and sifive has built some nice actual chips

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leah

but sam zeloof is showing you how to actually make real chips. his techniques can be learned, refined, improved and used to build whatever you want

leah

mjg59_: have you heard: intel is interested in riscv

leah

i reckon they're probably going to use it in an upcoming ME coprocessor

matey

/me figures theyre going to shove a sock in its mouth and throw it into the river

leah

currently they use minitiarized 486 processors running minix

leah

you can bet newer intel me's in the future are going to be built upon riscv

leah

that's why i think intel is interested in it

matey

you heard it here

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leah

matey: what monster have you created?

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matey

this creature born of you and mjg getting along

matey

leah

hey

leah

i'm pragmatic. i like to try to see the good in people

leah

everyone can be useful

matey

yeah thats great, whatever happens im going to feel like its my fault

Mar 24 12:28

leah

i regularly work with people i dislike/disliked

Mar 24 12:28

leah

sometimes, i get turned too. there's someone else in this channel who i despised one year ago but then realized actually had great ideas, and a brilliant mind. and some of my positions changed due to the influence of that person

matey

mincers not that bad

leah

sticking to ones guns in futile. you should adapt your thinking to the times

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leah

and sometimes, one is wrong

leah

and you have two choices: adapt, or stay put

leah

matey: not talking about mincer lol

matey

thats why its funny

leah

it's ok to be right

leah

and it's ok to be wrong

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Mar 24 12:31

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Mar 24 12:31

leah

matey: if you actually look at my history, you'll notice that on many issues, my opinions today are the exact opposite of what they were 5 years ago

Mar 24 12:31

leah

or if not opposite, substantially evolved and more nuanced now

matey

sure, everyones wrong about something

leah

yeah well

leah

everyone has that ability. it's inevitable that it happens

mjg59_

leah: Yeah I'm interested in where riscv goes

mjg59_

leah: I have a riscv soldering iron

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leah

what does that mean

mjg59_

Anyway very definitely bed timenow

leah

riscv soldering iron

matey

/me tries to imagin why riscv would have its own soldering iron

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leah

you mean the control unit is some riscv thing?

mjg59_

leah: Pinecil

Mar 24 12:33

leah

oh that thing

Mar 24 12:33

matey

<leah> matey: if you actually look at my history, you'll notice that on many issues <- i was open source first

leah

lol so, my roommate's new anti-rsi wrist strap arrived

matey

but not since 2010

leah

i,'m trying it. left handed one. how is this an improvement

leah

it's making my typing less comfortable

*psydruid was never open source

leah

mjg59_: i have a better solution

leah

there are nice stm32-based control units that have libre firmware

leah

of course stm32 isn't libre itself but

matey

psydruid: it seemed nice :/

leah

well, i have a nice ksger station here that takes t12 tips

leah

i do a lot with it

leah

pinepencil is shit

leah

just a shit 40w pencil tip

leah

you won't get good thermal mass with that thing

leah

i solder with mini hoof tip, k tip and d08 tip

matey

this channel is nothing but a soldering iron waving contest

leah

pencil/cone tips suck

psydruid

matey, I did think for a while that open source was just a different way to present free software, but that turned out to be less and less the case

matey

psydruid: you and bruce perens, and me

Mar 24 12:36

matey

perens is still in denial. or diplomatic to the point of absurdity.

Mar 24 12:36

leah

i suppose these carpel tunner straps are more intended for use on desktop keyboards, with qwerty layout?

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leah

i'm trying it on a dvorak layout on an x200t and it's making it worse lol. this thing isn't for me though

leah

my roommate types as much as i do but shes on qwerty, so i bought her anti-rsi straps and ergo keyboard

matey

/me wonders how the strap is supposed to help

leah

imo: ergonomic mechanical keyboard with dvorak

leah

that's all you really need to prevent rsi

matey

/me has feet as backup

matey

if i ever have to type with my feet ill need slightly larger keys (if i want to do 60 wpm)

leah

so yeah this keyboard sucks

mjg59_

leah: The Pinceil runs the same firmware as the TS-80m just built for a different SoC

leah

just tried to type on it. but let's see what the intended user thinks

leah

ea,ae,a,ea,ea,ea,ejukx

leah

sorry, cat on the keyboard

mjg59_

So same as you'd run on an STM32 based device

matey

/me thought it was a keyboard test

leah

mjg59_: interesting

leah

still, does that thing have swappable tips

matey

cat is assistant keyboard tester

mjg59_

Definitely bed now thogh

leah

and controllable tip temperature

mjg59_

leah: Oh yeah, I've got 9 tips?

mjg59_

And there's thermisters int he tips

Mar 24 12:43

mjg59_

It's definitely nice hardware

Mar 24 12:43

mjg59_

I've done rework on on-board flash with it

Mar 24 12:43

leah

fine, let me take a look

Mar 24 12:44

leah

pinepencil yeah?

Mar 24 12:44

leah

pinecel rather

leah

20V 3A -> 60W then

leah

not bad

leah

it says 12v-20v i assume that means... 36-60w controllable right?

https://www.pine64.org/pinecil/

leah

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leah

not a bad starter kit

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leah

guessing it's just some pwm circuit in there right?

leah

mjg59_: pwm control circuit for that voltage

leah

12-20v it says

leah

and that controls the wattage

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Mar 24 12:49

leah

mjg59_: but is it esd safe

Mar 24 12:50

leah

i'm assuming not, because it's usb

Mar 24 12:51

matey

why would pine64 offer an iron that would zap chips?

Mar 24 12:52

leah

yeah their site doesn't mention esd stuff

Mar 24 12:52

matey

i dont suppose you could just ground the tip with a wire

Mar 24 12:53

leah

to a heard earth

Mar 24 12:53

leah

hard*

Mar 24 12:53

matey

/me has never heard of anti-esd saoldering irons, because didnt know that was an issue with soldering irons

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leah

look at this

leah

there are pins labelled "gnu" but i those aren't aren't a hard earth. it probably ultimately feeds back to neutral, not earth

leah

though

leah

also most usb-c power supplies that plug into the wall won't have a hard earth

leah

in usaland it'll be the 2-wire cable for ac

leah

and 2-wire everywhere else

leah

(in UK, plastic earth pin on the plug)

leah

yeah that's the problem i always see with usb soldering irons

leah

no hard earth

leah

no esd protection

leah

you need a hard earth for esd protection

leah

but you could rig something up

matey

in usaland it'll be the 2-wire cable for ac <- what?

leah

yeah in us you have the 2-wire and 3-wire cables

leah

3-wire has the earth pin

leah

going into the 3-hole sockets that look like a doomed face

matey

i dont think you know how rare 2 prong power points are there now

matey

they still exist

matey

if you can find one

matey

/me wore an anti-esd wrist strap going to the ground lead when he was like 7

Mar 24 12:58

matey

i suck at soldering though. luckily i enjoy computers more than electronics

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matey

if you need any chips destroyed with heat or something im your man

matey

i can probably ruin some diodes too

matey

but mostly i just make shitty joins

matey

granted ive never used a real soldering iron, im sure that helps a bit

leah

anyway

matey

/me isnt kidding

leah

mjg59_: if pine64 can make a nice esd-safe soldering station, that'd be great

leah

one with a hard earth

leah

look as ksger t12 stations

leah

something like that built on riscv would be great

leah

i need something with serious power for my purposes. i'm soldering all day. sometimes i install a big fat chisel tip and solder to giant ground planes that soak up a lot of heat. i doubt that pinecel could satisfy me, plus it's not esd-safe

Mar 24 13:01

leah

big thick ground terminals. and i obey the 2-second rule when soldering

Mar 24 13:03

matey

if you pick it up two seconds after dropping it, its still good

leah

"there are pins labelled gnu" lol, sorry matey i meant ground

leah

matey: no i mean the 2-second rule

matey

i know

leah

the full wetting of the joint must occur within 2 seconds

matey

/me just wants a robot that does it

leah

i looked at pinecel, one of their review videos is of a guy soldering and he violates this rule. he has his tip on the joint for like 8 seconds. without flux either, and he gets a cold solder joint

leah

that video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CwvorvU5v4E

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matey

ill design one, it wont last a year because of the shitty solder job on it :)

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matey

but ill use it to solder a second one properly

leah

matey: wanna see something cool?

matey

of course

*psydruid makes a mateybot

matey

good luck psydruid

psydruid

thanks

leah

matey: watch these two playlists, and note: they're from the year 1982, but everything said in the videos is still true today. physics hasn't changed

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leah

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leah

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matey

/me remembers 1982

matey

a little bit

leah

yeah watch the videos

*psydruid got plenty of practice soldering in his teens

matey

watching

leah

they'll teach you the best, most fundamental soldering technique

leah

don't let the fact that they're old fool you. these videos are reference material

leah

i always tell people learning soldering to start with these videos

matey

oh i learned from someone who worked for some defence contractors

matey

im just not a very good student

matey

trust me, they knew what they were doing

leah

then for smd / bga stuff, that can be learned from other resources. but you should always start at the beginning, with the very basics. and the pace videos are great

leah

pace also has great videos on their channel about multi-layer board repair

matey

leah: we had a piece of a space station in our basement

matey

and a spyplane

leah

btw

leah

the videos only talk about lead solder. that's how old they are

leah

these videos are *pre-rohs*

matey

thats what i worked with

leah

lol

leah

lead-free solder didn't exist when these videos were made

matey

i know

leah

never use lead-free

matey

we used a fan to blow away any smoke

matey

you dont like tin whiskers?

Mar 24 13:10

leah

you get better joints with lead stuff

Mar 24 13:10

matey

this chat is brought to you by: lead

*kingoffrance picture of saturn with scythe

leah

just use a fan and an extractor, and wear a mask with a bit of tissue

matey

too late for the mask i guess

leah

and leave all the windows open

leah

then lead solder is fine

matey

but i didnt do a lot of soldering

matey

"i dont usually solder, but when i do, i use a fan to keep the poisonous smoke away"

leah

also, wear nitrile gloves

leah

and wash your hands afterwards when you're done

matey

/me just used soap and water

matey

fortuately i did very little soldering

matey

put together a few kits

Mar 24 13:13

matey

made a flashlight with leds

Mar 24 13:13

matey

/me waited 10 or 15 years to make a blue led so we could have rgb, cmon

Mar 24 13:13

matey

they had infrared ones all this time, was it really that hard to coat them to make a blue one?

Mar 24 13:14

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Mar 24 13:16

matey

i wanted to do electronics, then i got a computer

Mar 24 13:17

matey

turns out im not a hardware person

Mar 24 13:17

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leah

i only started soldering in 2018

leah

you can learn

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matey

ive ridden a horse too

matey

no interest in doing that again

schestowitz-TR

the horse is not interested either

matey

hey you dont know that

matey

but yeah probably not

matey

i was very lightweight at the time

matey

even more than tobey macguire

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matey

still i dont think its their favourite pastime

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matey

and we didnt have horses or any fancy shit like that

matey

this was at camp

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matey

we had just enough land for a dog or two

schestowitz-TR

I still have some photos of me on hroses

schestowitz-TR

my bodyweight was a lot less back then

matey

i feel bad for whatever poor bastard had to carry ben franklin

Mar 24 13:24

schestowitz-TR

they had slaves back then

matey

i dont think ben franklin rode on a slave

schestowitz-TR

try to tell them horses don't become food the moment they stopped carrying humans

schestowitz-TR

they thought of "some" humans the same way

schestowitz

not just one

schestowitz

"Franklin owned slaves from as early as 1735 until 1781. The Franklin household had six slaves;"

Mar 24 13:26

schestowitz

Six

Mar 24 13:26

schestowitz

HE HAD SIX

Mar 24 13:26

matey

i think the most shocking thing about it is that they didnt free them when they wrote the constitution

Mar 24 13:27

matey

i know there was talk of abolition

Mar 24 13:27

matey

i know they coudlnt make it happen with the south

matey

but what was the logic

matey

oh well, if we cant abolish slavery for everyone

matey

we can make the most of this crappy situaiton by keeping our own slaves at least?

matey

its weird

matey

but then you said

matey

until 1781

matey

so franklin at least...

schestowitz-TR

franklin: i am not bad

schestowitz-TR

I only had six

schestowitz-TR

I could afford a lot more

schestowitz-TR

I stopped at six

schestowitz-TR

and I had no sex with them

schestowitz-TR

iirc, some had dozens

schestowitz-TR

past presidents

matey

so the drafting of the constitution began in 1787

matey

owning slaves was common

matey

england used to have them as well

matey

and really, the situation with servants in england even in 1900 wasnt super-great

matey

until the labour party existed,

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matey

it wasnt slavery, it was a step up at least

matey

anyway

matey

when they were writing the constitution, they did talk of abolishing slavery

matey

they couldnt get the south to agree

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matey

but this was in 1787

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matey

and franklin freed his slaves (i guess) years before that even

matey

jefferson on the other hand, i dont know when/if he did

kingoffrance

well, not advocating it, but imagine you were told xyz source code would be released, and you can see it on your taxes the next x years

Mar 24 13:33

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Mar 24 13:33

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Networking for 5.18 https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/20220323180738.3978487-1-kuba@kernel.org/

Mar 24 13:34

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Mar 24 13:34

matey

i think the main thing is

matey

it was practiced

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matey

it was a really stupid, horrible practice

matey

and eventually it was done away with, as it should have been sooner

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matey

i cant fathom how anyone thought it was ok in the first place

Mar 24 13:36

matey

people might say the same about capitalism someday

Mar 24 13:36

kingoffrance

because pharoah was king of astrology

Mar 24 13:36

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Mar 24 13:39

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Mar 24 13:39

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KDE neon 20220324 https://neon.kde.org/

Mar 24 13:40

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Mar 24 13:41

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Mar 24 13:41

matey

<kingoffrance> because pharoah was king of astrology <- and wishful thinking

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kingoffrance

well, now its east vs west, so same old, anyways...

Mar 24 13:43

matey

nothing new under the sun god

Mar 24 13:44

kingoffrance

yes!

Mar 24 13:45

kingoffrance

tell us about these defense contractors

matey

i could tell you but then...

kingoffrance

woz said (dont quote me, see videos yourself) transistors came about because military/air force needed them. that is what made them affordable/mainstream anyways

kingoffrance

no, i mean tech

matey

grace hopper worked for them too

Mar 24 13:47

psydroid2

amazing grace hopper

Mar 24 13:47

matey

this was before i was born

matey

after i was born it was strictly telecom industry

kingoffrance

<< we had a piece of a space station in our basement and a spyplane

matey

yep

matey

we did

matey

id say which ones, but that would pretty much say where i grew up

Mar 24 13:49

MinceR

a "free speech extremist" supporting a dictator well known to have violated free speech many times, violently. how curious.

Mar 24 13:50

matey

crystalmath compartmentalises a little

Mar 24 13:50

matey

kingoffrance if i told you what i saw you wouldnt be very impressed

matey

the most impressive part about it ive already said

kingoffrance

nah, im just wondering types of computers/software/environment

matey

i can tell you what i used at least

kingoffrance

that sort of thing, what everyone thought was just aroundt he corner

matey

i learned how to code on a pcjr

kingoffrance

or would be the next thing

matey

after that it was generic intel stuff

psydroid2

I was born during the days of grace hopper and I must say everything she did was simply amazing

matey

props to letterman for having her on the show

MinceR

24 060623 < matey> Ariadne alpine is based on something other than gnu libc right?

MinceR

it's based on musl libc

matey

mincer i thought it was musl

Mar 24 13:54

psydroid2

was she ever on his show?

Mar 24 13:54

matey

look up grace hopper letterman on youtube

Mar 24 13:54

matey

my question is if musl can be compiled with tinycc

matey

or if it needs gcc/llvm

matey

obviously newer versions of linux wont compile with tinycc, but old ones will

matey

mincer: the gist of it was trying to figure out how much activelow is reproducting alpine

matey

its definitely not the same

matey

so im trying to figure out the degree of overlap

Mar 24 13:56

matey

alpine would never use an older kernel just to avoid llvm, afaik

Mar 24 13:57

kingoffrance

im not sure, i thought activelow was using gentoo somewhat, at least to ease bootstrap

Mar 24 13:58

matey

right, i think so

Mar 24 13:59

matey

<kingoffrance> that sort of thing, what everyone thought was just aroundt he corner <- imo i made better predictions than my predecessor

Mar 24 14:00

matey

and at a much younger age

Mar 24 14:00

kingoffrance

go on...

Mar 24 14:01

matey

he made more profitable (and immediately useful) predictions

Mar 24 14:01

matey

kingoffrance i predicted fpgas, thumbdrives, and flac

Mar 24 14:01

matey

also blue leds i suppose

MinceR

matey: activelow's is the only distro i know of that deliberately sticks to an old version of Linux, or an old version of gcc

matey

MinceR for the same reason

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matey

to avoid c++ to compile c

MinceR

in general, people are too wary of security holes to do something like that

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matey

in general, people are too wary of security holes <- yes

matey

to be fair

matey

or should i say generous

matey

people have the same concern about palemoon

XRevan86

Or maybe of the various performance implications.

matey

according to moonchild, backporting security fixes isnt THAT hard

matey

but a browser isnt a kernel

matey

then again, firefox might as well be an os

XRevan86

TinyCC is just as naïve as one might think it is.

psydroid2

what is the problem with it?

Mar 24 14:05

XRevan86

psydroid2: If it has optimisations, I couldn't find any.

Mar 24 14:05

XRevan86

Linux is written assuming a compiler that optimises.

Mar 24 14:06

psydroid2

how much difference does optimisation make for standard code?

Mar 24 14:06

psydroid2

a compiler could optimise by default, couldn't it?

Mar 24 14:07

psydroid2

or is that considered risky?

Mar 24 14:07

XRevan86

psydroid2: There's no such thing as "standard code", depending on luck the compiled code might be extremely slow.

Mar 24 14:07

XRevan86

psydroid2: The point is that TinyCC just can't, it's too simplistic.

Mar 24 14:08

psydroid2

XRevan86, same as that I don't know if Linux can be considered so "special" that it needs those optimisations

Mar 24 14:08

XRevan86

psydroid2: "-O2" is not usually considered special.

Mar 24 14:09

psydroid2

I would like to see some benchmarks for code compiled using TinyCC, GCC, Clang, PCC and other compilers

Mar 24 14:09

psydroid2

sometimes a faster compiler may be preferrable and sometimes a better optimising compiler

psydroid2

preferable*

https://colfaxresearch.com/compiler-comparison/

matey

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https://davmac.wordpress.com/2009/04/28/c-compiler-benchmarks/

matey

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GNU/Linux is better at security, it's not designed to have back doors https://unixcop.com/linux-is-virus-proof-really/

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XRevan86

psydroid2: The fact is that it will definitely underperform, just how badly – to know that one would need to actually try.

Mar 24 14:12

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psydroid2

I wonder if there are any numbers for TinyCC and PCC

XRevan86

psydroid2: Imagine taking millions of lines of code and throwing them into an environment that is definitely not doing enough.

psydroid2

activelow might have some data for us

https://benchmarksgame-team.pages.debian.net/benchmarksgame/fastest/c.html

matey

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XRevan86

Not only will there be unexpected problems, there will also be expected problems.

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XRevan86

It's just a guaranteed bad idea without a team of competent people who are ready to fix all of this.

XRevan86

If activelow were willing to add the missing pieces to tinycc, it would have been one thing, but even with C standard compliance he picks crippling Linux.

Mar 24 14:15

psydroid2

so people should stick with GCC and Clang at all times?

matey

psydroid2 https://www.dwheeler.com/trusting-trust

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XRevan86

psydroid2: Before Clang came about, it was just GCC. It's not like it's impossible to write another compiler m

Mar 24 14:17

matey

that might explain his interest in tinycc

Mar 24 14:17

psydroid2

I wonder what's a state-of-the-art book on compiler construction

Mar 24 14:18

psydroid2

other than the one my professor co-wrote

Mar 24 14:18

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ICBM has turned Red Hat into clown clown clown https://www.redhat.com/en/blog/red-hat-insights-whats-new-early-2022

Mar 24 14:18

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https://drh.github.io/lcc/ http://www.cpm.z80.de/small_c.html

matey

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psydroid2

not that I would want to deal with that now, but it looks interesting

XRevan86

It's like if he complains about vendor lock-in in the transmission, and wants to replace it with a stick.

XRevan86

The instrument is too shit, give up.

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"Okay you might ask, what’s the news here? We’ve been able to get HTTP response headers with curl since virtually the stone age. Yes we have." https://daniel.haxx.se/blog/2022/03/24/easier-header-picking-with-curl/

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XRevan86

psydroid2, matey: "so people should stick with GCC and Clang at all times?" <- Ye two treat him as if he is some mad genius that is trying to write a pure C compiler.

Mar 24 14:23

XRevan86

He just takes existing abandonware and complains that Linux doesn't compile with it.

Mar 24 14:23

psydroid2

XRevan86, I don't treat him like that at all, I just want to know what his findings are

psydroid2

I would never do what he is doing

XRevan86

psydroid2: I didn't see any new reports, so I'm assuming he's still on the "Linux doesn't compile" stage.

matey

<XRevan86> psydroid2, matey: "so people should stick with GCC and Clang at all times?" <- Ye two treat him as if he is some mad genius that is trying to write a pure C compiler. <- not at all

matey

he could be a total hack, it wouldnt matter

matey

im not switching back to gnu/linux

XRevan86

matey: From what?

matey

openbsd

XRevan86

matey: OpenBSD is GCC/Clang only for the same exact reason.

matey

i understand that

XRevan86

аctivelow could've said the exact same things about OpenBSD.

matey

XRevan86 youre making assumptions about motivations here that are reasonable, but incorrect

XRevan86

His target just happened to be Linux.

matey

аctivelow could've said the exact same things about OpenBSD. <- he already has

matey

imo his dismissal of bsd is silly

matey

but

matey

hes doing his thing

XRevan86

There isn't an OS kernel that willingly limits itself to what one shitty compiler can do.

matey

how come all the non-shitty c compilers require c++

matey

that seems odd

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XRevan86

matey: Seems like that's how the cookie crumbled.

activelow

XRevan86: wrong, it was OpenBSD first to re-consider compilers, and verified portable c compiler (pcc)

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XRevan86

activelow: What happen afterwards?

XRevan86

happened

activelow

not entirely sure; besides it was x86 they succeeded with, hardware i will not touch ever again in my life anyway

Mar 24 14:30

activelow

similar situation with TinyCC, which some developer from Suse (susematz), verified he could compile Linux-4.4 with it (not all of it though)

Mar 24 14:30

XRevan86

I suspect that PCC's development stalled, it became a burden and was yeeted from OpenBSD eventually.

Mar 24 14:30

activelow

I suspect, both TinyCC and PCC were stable compilers already, yet this wasn't good enough for some certain people

Mar 24 14:31

XRevan86

(for some certain everyone)

Mar 24 14:31

kingoffrance

i will believe at some point, if only for ports...browsers and other things need c++. so they would have to maintain/port gcc/clang/whatever

kingoffrance

*i suspect that at some point

kingoffrance

so then it becomes maintain one or two?

activelow

same with GCC which was stabilized decades ago, and then was "improved" upon regularly, to support a shitload of proprietary hardware extensions

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activelow

kingoffrance: chances are a huge amount of userspace can be compiled without c++ too, including GTK/netsurf-browser/Xorg

Mar 24 14:33

kingoffrance

true, i remember when pcc was talked, just my theory why it was "abandoned"

Mar 24 14:33

kingoffrance

*talked about. sorry typo mania today

Mar 24 14:33

kingoffrance

i didnt really use openbsd, but remember that

XRevan86

kingoffrance: GCC was a C++ compiler too even when it was written in C.

kingoffrance

sure, im saying why the pcc plan went nowhere

matey

GCC was a C++ compiler too even when it was written in C <- originally gnu c compiler

matey

now gnu compiler collection

matey

youre saying it did c++ even when it was the gnu c compiler?

Mar 24 14:35

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Mar 24 14:35

XRevan86

matey: pre-4.8 obviously.

Mar 24 14:35

matey

oh of course

Mar 24 14:36

activelow

there is various practical issues, to provide a glimpse, what i am struggling with

matey

but c is, unless im wrong

matey

a much simpler language than c++

matey

to implement

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matey

so implementing c++ in c is hardly the same as implementing c in c++

matey

in terms of overhead

activelow

for example: the ARM SBC i got to work with require a recent kernel and u-boot loader version, which builds a dependency graph

MinceR

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matey

and bootstrapping

activelow

meaning, although i can compile kernel and userspace with gcc-4.7 (or TinyCC), i do need an aarch64 kernel and recent u-boot; gcc-4.7 doesn't support aarch64

XRevan86

matey: Indeed, but it is still not a small feat, also evident by the fact that there is no other C compiler out there that would compete with GCC and Clang.

XRevan86

(activelow is welcome to write one)

activelow

a recent u-boot loader version introduced some dependency against python/swift ... which is written in c++; so to compile this new u-boot loader i need yet another cross-compiler

matey

also evident by the fact <- its not just a matter of possibility <- why would they bother

Mar 24 14:39

activelow

then i was thinking, to acquire some old aarch32 SBC to work with, however there isn't almost any shipped anymore

Mar 24 14:40

matey

whats the incentive to create a compiler that competes with gcc or clang?

Mar 24 14:40

matey

if theres no incentive, it hardly matters whether its possible or not

Mar 24 14:40

activelow

TinyCC (which was more actively maintained recently) is fast, it was known to be capable to bootstrap GCC

activelow

just one issue, since the bootstrapping of GCC arrived at a dead end too

matey

it was devloped from 2001 to 2012, abandoned, and interest has picked up again

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XRevan86

"fast" as in "fast to compile" is not what people want the compiler to be "fast" about.

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matey

"fast" as in "fast to compile" is not what people want the compiler to be "fast" about. <- its what activelow wants

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activelow

compile-time TinyCC isn't only fast, it is blazing fast, and runtime-performance is good; TinyCC operates at the sweet spot of the trade-off between compile-time optimization and run-time performance

psydroid2

"not needing much memory" is something I want

activelow

TinyCC is ~10x faster compile-time

activelow

PCC reported similar results

psydroid2

because with only 2 GB of RAM in my Orange Pi I just can't compile some things such as Linux or Racket on the hardware itself

matey

the arguments i hear against tinycc remind me too much of the ones against python 2

activelow

psydroid2: wrong, you can, even with gcc, although that's not fun anymore to do

matey

i have no use for python 3-- ive used it extensively

matey

i might as well use another language, if python 3 is the only option

psydroid2

activelow, it wouldn't work with even 1 job for me

matey

<psydroid2> activelow, it wouldn't work with even 1 job for me <- psydroid: what wouldnt

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psydroid2

so maybe I am doing something wrong, but I haven't built a kernel on that machine in years

activelow

i can compile an entire distro/firmware image on an a53 quadcore with 1GiB RAM; with gcc-4.7

psydroid2

matey, build a kernel for the hardware on the hardware itself

matey

python 2 vs 3 vs users https://www.fsfla.org/ikiwiki/blogs/lxo/pub/new-dawn.en.html

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matey

right

psydroid2

well, I don't have gcc 4.7 anymore

matey

psydroid2: did you notice when leah said there are 10 versions of gnu libc being maintained?

activelow

anyway, yesterday, i hit another bug, since gcc-4.7 doesn't support aarch64 and the ARM SBC i got requires an aarch64 kernel

matey

why would there even need to be 10

matey

unless theyre breaking things that dont need to be broken?

psydroid2

matey, I must have missed that

matey

i appreciate that theyre not simply dropping support where its needed

activelow

i compiled an aarch64 kernel with an aarch32 userspace on top; however with this setup i am hitting a nasty bug with nilfs2 userspace utilities

matey

but its also disturing that its needed!

activelow

another few days debugging

matey

leah says this means its fails at its mission of being a portable library

matey

which might be a bit harsh (slightly untrue) but still

activelow

and this type of bugs and problems are the ones, which lectured a lesson here; to refrain from git-pull anything anymore

psydroid2

I don't think there is any software that is developed in a portable way from the very beginning

activelow

the other one, i'll have a look at today, is GCC/linker adding stuff non-reproducible, which it should not need not

techrights-news

GNOME 42 Released! See What’s New in the Desktop of Ubuntu 22.04 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162912#comment-33176

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psydroid2

things are still very x86-centric (and these days ARM-centric)

matey

unix was developed in a portable way from the very beginning

matey

but that was 40 years ago

psydroid2

it's why I have kept hardware on multiple architectures around

psydroid2

but I remember all the bus errors I got on SPARC

Mar 24 14:49

psydroid2

and in my QEMU Alpha machine the alignment fixups in the kernel due to a "suboptimal" userland

Mar 24 14:49

matey

qemu: same author as tinyc

Mar 24 14:50

matey

tinycc

Mar 24 14:50

activelow

so, instead of implementing some missing asm processing for TinyCC (to compile musl-libc/kernel etc.); i am wasting my time with nonsense problems

Mar 24 14:50

matey

and that answers my question from earlier

matey

will tinycc compile musl

matey

activelow

and i already know why that is

activelow

because TinyCC needs to process some ASM, which some opcodes are not supported for with aarch32; and aar64 ASM processing isn't implemented at all with TinyCC yet

Mar 24 14:52

activelow

nonetheless, if there was any high priority task, maintenance of TinyCC is one of such

techrights-news

"[00:02:00] Jorge is into Flatpak. And there’s quite a lot to talk about here. This is very much about the Linux desktop, distribution of applications, and how things have changed; stuff has certainly happened since the last time we looked at this, and it’s worth getting into. Let’s talk about what flatpak means today" https://www.badvoltage.org/2022/03/24/3x43/

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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.badvoltage.org | 3×43: Self Assembly | Bad Voltage

activelow

including compilation of Linux kernel with it; bootstrapping/compiling gcc-4.7 (which was verified by some other project already)

activelow

compilation of u-boot loader with TinyCC; integration with gentoo tooling or any other maintenance scripting

activelow

matey: and they real showstopper to re-think TinyCC or any other is this, *hardware* support

Mar 24 14:54

activelow

since, ARM (aarch64 and aarch32) are both proprietary closed-source hardware

Mar 24 14:55

activelow

which means, anytime some Errata with ARM potentially can kill a man-year of development effort

Mar 24 14:55

matey

but when has that ever happened?

techrights-news

Linux gaming is better than Windows sometimes - Invidious ⚓ https://yewtu.be/watch?v=i9Op7Xa5eKs

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-yewtu.be | Linux gaming is better than Windows sometimes - Invidious

activelow

matey: yes.

techrights-news

Portenta X8 is the first Linux Arduino board • Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162945

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Portenta X8 is the first Linux Arduino board | Tux Machines

matey

no, i mean when

matey

one example evem

matey

activelow

there is a long list of ARM Errata (coped with by kernel, simply see make menuconfig) and gcc manpage

matey

when has a man-year of dev effort been killed by this

https://smbc-comics.com/comic/dunno

activelow

and with X86/X86_64 the spectre/meltdown fuckery

Mar 24 14:59

techrights-ipfs-bot

▕ IPFS downstream, 60 mins: ▂▅▂▁▆▅▅█▃▆▅▄▂▆█▅█▃▆▇▄▁▅▃▇▇▁▆▁▂▄▁ avg(k/sec) 45.43 ▕ IPFS upstream: ▁▃██▂▁▁▁▂▃▂▁▁▁▂█▂▂▁█▁▂█▂█▂▂▁▁▁██▁ avg(k/sec) 68.85▕ swarm size (avg): 241.53 ⟲

Mar 24 14:59

XRevan86

Mar 24 15:00

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.smbc-comics.com | Saturday Morning Breakfast Cereal - Dunno

Mar 24 15:00

matey

ok so youre saying

Mar 24 15:02

matey

arm is just as vulnerably as x86 in this regard

Mar 24 15:02

matey

/me gives up on typing

techrights-news

Education International, ITUC and the Global Push to inject the 4IR and Transhumanism into Schools ⚓ https://unlimitedhangout.com/2022/03/investigative-series/education-international-and-the-global-push-to-inject-the-4ir-and-transhumanism-into-schools/

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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-unlimitedhangout.com | Education International, ITUC and the Global Push to inject the 4IR and Transhumanism into Schools

MinceR

everything that does speculative execution is vulnerable to "the spectre/meltdown fuckery"

techrights-news

Godot Engine - Dev snapshot: Godot 4.0 alpha 5 ⚓ https://godotengine.org/article/dev-snapshot-godot-4-0-alpha-5

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matey

/me nods

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-godotengine.org | Godot Engine - Dev snapshot: Godot 4.0 alpha 5

techrights-news

Shattered Pixel Dungeon arrives on Steam eight years later | GamingOnLinux ⚓ https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/03/shattered-pixel-dungeon-arrives-on-steam-eight-years-later

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matey

okay

http://www.engrish.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/catholic-converter.jpg ( https://www.engrish.com/2020/05/the-power-of-chrysler-compels-you/ )

activelow

it was only two examples, if any compiler had to target unstable/unreliable proprietary hardware

Mar 24 15:05

activelow

btw. Airbus chose SPARC leon, which is opensource

Mar 24 15:05

activelow

yet, TinyCC doesn't support sparc iirc, pcc does support sparc;

Mar 24 15:06

activelow

in any case, i haven't got sparc hardware, nor am i willing to acquire such

Mar 24 15:06

techrights-news

Today’s #HowTos | #UNIX • Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162946

Mar 24 15:07

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's howtos | Tux Machines

Mar 24 15:07

techrights-news

WWW = spam. FOSSLife with LF connection links to zdnet webSPAM SPONSORED by LF. WWW = webspam source. Bought and paid for propaganda, for a diploma mill in this case. https://www.fosslife.org/linux-foundation-offers-cloud-native-developer-bootcamp

Mar 24 15:09

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.fosslife.org | Linux Foundation Offers Cloud-Native Developer Bootcamp

Mar 24 15:09

MinceR

-altlink_587/#techrights-📣 Cloudflare: engrish.com | 🙆 Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/http://www.engrish.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/catholic-converter.jpg

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.engrish.com | The power of Chrysler compels you

techrights-news

The government can seize your messages in secret. Lawmakers want you to know if it does. https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/03/22/government-can-seize-your-messages-secret-lawmakers-want-you-know-if-it-does/ publisher owned by a sociopath whose marriage collapsed due to leaks communications

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techrights-news

Games: Europa Universalis, War Thunder, Godot 4.0 alpha 5, and More • Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162947

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.washingtonpost.com | The government can seize your messages in secret. Lawmakers want you to know if it does. - The Washington Post

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Games: Europa Universalis, War Thunder, Godot 4.0 alpha 5, and More | Tux Machines

matey

/me wants to meet whoever writes the urls for engrish

MinceR

matey

i still remember the first time i saw that website, in 2003 or 2004

techrights-news

"I moved to Amsterdam in July 2021, and now that I’ve had some time to settle in I thought I’d share my thoughts on how it’s been so far. In short: I love it here!" https://drewdevault.com/2022/03/24/Netherlands-update.html Ariadne ^

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-drewdevault.com | The Netherlands so far

MinceR

i think the page urls come from the caption and users can suggest captions

matey

makes sense

Mar 24 15:12

matey

no way one person could write all those

Mar 24 15:12

matey

student centre, several yards from the information desk

matey

friend of mine told me about it

matey

couldnt stop giggling

techrights-news

Qt for Android Automotive 6.2.4 released ⚓ https://www.qt.io/blog/qt-for-android-automotive-6.2.4-released

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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.qt.io | Qt for Android Automotive 6.2.4 released

matey

the first engrish i ever saw though was about 10-15 years earlier

techrights-news

This is a Windows issue, not a "Linux" issue; in fact, WSL is clearly an attack on GNU/Linux https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/lumen-security-research-reveals-threats-still-lurk-in-windows-subsystem-for-linux-301509340.html

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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.prnewswire.com | Lumen security research reveals threats still lurk in Windows Subsystem for Linux

matey

japanese hairstylist, replaced the "sprite" button on the vending machine

matey

deliberately labelled it "splite"

Mar 24 15:15

MinceR

Mar 24 15:15

techrights-news

WSL dangerous? GOOD! Than stop using it. Move to GNU/Linux instead.

Mar 24 15:15

matey

im hoping that a hispanic hairstylist came in later

Mar 24 15:16

matey

and relabelled it ESplite

Mar 24 15:16

matey

or just "fanta"

Mar 24 15:17

MinceR

or 7up

Mar 24 15:17

matey

7up was the one you wanted when you didnt want to be overpowered by the lemon and lime

matey

if you wanted lemon lime you wanted sprite

MinceR

lol

matey

if you wanted to mix stuff you used 7up

matey

then they ruined it

matey

7up is like a cloying sprite now

matey

/me wants 7up classic

*MinceR wants pepsi wild cherry

matey

of course i dont drink soda anymore

matey

you cant get pepsi wild cherry?

MinceR

i drink soda occasionally

matey

oh youre in hungary

MinceR

i can't get it anymore

matey

they have mango now

matey

i havent tried it

MinceR

mango isn't nearly as good

MinceR

also, i want nitro pepsi

matey

i never thought mango and pepsi would go together

matey

ive heard good things

matey

get some grenadine and make your own cherry pepsi

Mar 24 15:26

MinceR

grenadine is made from pomegranate, not cherry

Mar 24 15:26

MinceR

it probably doesn't contain any benzaldehyde

Mar 24 15:26

matey

and honey nut cheerios is flavoured with apricot pits, not nuts

Mar 24 15:27

matey

but ive never tasted pomegranate in grenadine

Mar 24 15:27

matey

i suppose you could just buy cherries and use the syrup

MinceR

marzipan-persipan mix is nice too

matey

never heard of persipan

MinceR

well, i have cherry cordial, i could just drink that

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persipan

MinceR

techrights-news

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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Persipan - Wikipedia

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matey

it creeps me out that smirnof tastes exactly like what it says

techrights-news

Proprietary Software and FUD • Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162948

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Proprietary Software and FUD | Tux Machines

matey

the blueberry one tastes like blueberry

matey

thats fucked

techrights-news

Programming Leftovers • Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162949

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Programming Leftovers | Tux Machines

matey

they all taste exactly like they say

techrights-news

Today’s 𝘛𝘶𝘹 𝘔𝘢𝘤𝘩𝘪𝘯𝘦𝘴 Leftovers • Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162950

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's leftovers | Tux Machines

matey

how the fuck do they do that

matey

and the unflavoured one tastes like vodka

MinceR

Mar 24 15:30

leah

matey: it's not 10, i'm just approximating, but i know it's at least 3

matey

but 3 isnt such a crime

leah

look for "bootstrap" scripts included in gnu projects

matey

i hear theyre blobby

matey

(whether true or not)

leah

in any case, gnu coding standards is not something that we should still be using in 2022

matey

yeah i heard

matey

something you and mjg agree on i think

leah

btw fun fact bsd started in the 80s too, just like gnu did

matey

oh i have a timeline, yes

leah

at least i'm pretty sure it did

matey

wait ill check the timeline

MinceR

i thought BSD started in the 70s

matey

* 2.9bsd becomes the first version of bsd that is a full operating system rather than a set of applications and patches

matey

1983 same year as gnu was announced

matey

mincer: bsd started as patches

MinceR

the set of applications and patches was called BSD too, and it's the ancestor of that :>

matey

yes

matey

gnu hurd started in 1990, one year before linux kernel

matey

92 was first freely licensed version of linux

matey

1994: * june: 4.4bsd-lite is a freely-distributable version of bsd following the settlement of the at&t lawsuit

matey

thats the date that means the most

matey

imo

matey

then july of 96 first openbsd

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techrights-news

"I also have anxiety, just like anybody else. The recent company acquisition & reorganization, the COVID-19 pandemic, the upcoming general elections, or the Russian attack all make sure that once a problem is over, there is a new problem already to worry about." https://peter.czanik.hu/posts/dealing-with-anxiety/

Mar 24 15:36

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-peter.czanik.hu | Dealing With Anxiety | Random thoughts of Peter 'CzP' Czanik

Mar 24 15:36

techrights-news

"Do you know where your most-used files and directories are? Sure, there's more than a few commands you can run to find out, but ncdu is a great tool for this purpose. Using ncdu, you can scan your entire hard disk (or any mounted filesystem) and determine where your storage pain points are - and take action!" https://yewtu.be/watch?v=nj8HtCNYOsU

Mar 24 15:37

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-yewtu.be | Awesome Linux Tools - ncdu, Scan your Hard Disk and free up Space! - Invidious

Mar 24 15:37

matey

then in 2011 rms retired as chief gnuisance but only halfway

Mar 24 15:38

matey

in 2015 he pretty much abdicated completely

Mar 24 15:39

matey

in 2018 his resignation was faked

Mar 24 15:39

matey

then in 2021 he faked his return

Mar 24 15:39

matey

or we will see

Mar 24 15:40

techrights-news

More proprietary software: "Exploitable remotely/low attack complexity" https://www.cisa.gov/uscert/ics/advisories/icsa-22-083-02 "Successful exploitation of this vulnerability could allow arbitrary operating system commands injection."

Mar 24 15:41

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.cisa.gov | mySCADA myPRO | CISA

Mar 24 15:41

techrights-news

Microsoft Windows TCO: "CENTUM and Exaopc have a DLL injection vulnerability and a DLL planting vulnerability using the DLL search order vulnerability. See this link for further details on this exploit type." https://www.cisa.gov/uscert/ics/advisories/icsa-22-083-01

Mar 24 15:42

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.cisa.gov | Yokogawa CENTUM and Exaopc | CISA

Mar 24 15:42

techrights-news

According to this, about 60% of the Web traffic in Poland comes from Android https://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share/all/poland/#monthly-200901-202203

Mar 24 15:50

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Mar 24 15:50

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-gs.statcounter.com | Operating System Market Share Poland | Statcounter Global Stats

Mar 24 15:50

MinceR

Mar 24 15:51

-altlink_587/#techrights-📣 Cloudflare: engrish.com | 🙆 Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/http://www.engrish.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/beans-gentlemen.jpg

Mar 24 15:51

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.engrish.com | Hotel menu from Saudi Arabia

Mar 24 15:51

matey

someone should do a distro where all the code names are based on engrish.com

Mar 24 15:54

matey

gnu rinux 1.0 "beans gentleman"

Mar 24 15:54

MinceR

techrights-news

ZDnet changed the site and removed company/brand names from the top menu. It used to be Microsoft placements and propaganda. Still, when they present Windows malware and ransomware they fail to mention the OS (unlike with Linux). This is how they craft propaganda for sponsors.

matey

ive seriosuly thought about doing a distro just to promote openbsd

matey

basically change as many things as possible to be openbsd like

matey

include text explaining why linux is a dead end, and the odds of gnu being salvaged (even if it would be better if it were)

matey

fortunately im too busy to bother

matey

and id have to install gnu/linux on something first

techrights-news

In case you are still in doubt and wrongly believe ZDNet is a news site, bear in mind the front end links to a "Product" and "Sales" page. This is what ZDNet actually is.

matey

and ive already done that with void, void isnt what im looking for

Mar 24 15:57

matey

its not the bsd-like gnu/linux that i want

Mar 24 15:58

techrights-news

ZDNet says it "support[s] IT Professionals and Decision Makers in their IT Buying Cycle process. Whether they are in the early stages of investigating their options, or optimizing a solution, ZDNet supports them all the way through." So it's basically shilling, not news.

Mar 24 15:58

techrights-news

ZDNet has a new section called "ZDNet Recommends" and it is basically a SPAM/Webspam section. Ads disguised as "Recommended". See http://techrights.org/2020/10/18/news-as-spam/

Mar 24 15:59

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The Different Types of Spammy ‘Articles’ and ‘Reviews’ Which Have Killed ‘Professional Journalism’ (Nowadays Mostly SPAM) | Techrights

Mar 24 15:59

activelow

matey: openbsd too relies on specific hardware, and compilers, which navigated this project onto mined territory

Mar 24 16:00

matey

i dont think openbsd is the final stage in building the perfect os

Mar 24 16:00

activelow

perfect? this isn't what i am thinking. instead to bring back software quality which was available already, and destroyed.

matey

its more of an emergency shelter (a nice one at that) from the wreckage of gnu/linux

techrights-news

"Quite a few people asked me recently how I deal with anxiety. I seem to be less anxious than people around me. First of all: I also have anxiety, just like anybody else." https://peter.czanik.hu/posts/dealing-with-anxiety/

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-peter.czanik.hu | Dealing With Anxiety | Random thoughts of Peter 'CzP' Czanik

matey

instead to bring back software quality which was available already, and destroyed. <- best of luck

matey

i think your choice of kernel will doom it

matey

but i think people ought to see your distro, maybe learn something

activelow

i do need the gentoo/portage tooling for what i am doing, otherwise OpenBSD is a better choice than almost all Linux systems without any doubt

techrights-news

Arduino Pro Portenta X8 is a tiny http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162945#comment-33177

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Portenta X8 is the first Linux Arduino board | Tux Machines

matey

cool

matey

yeah it seems like gentoo is helping with your work

techrights-news

Luigi Russolo’s Cacophonous Futures – The Public Domain Review ⚓ https://publicdomainreview.org/essay/luigi-russolos-cacophonous-futures/

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-publicdomainreview.org | Luigi Russolo’s Cacophonous Futures – The Public Domain Review

activelow

matey: ideally i could dispose the complicated tooling to track dependencies

Mar 24 16:04

activelow

this isn't possible currently

Mar 24 16:04

matey

i avoided the 3.x kernel for some time

schestowitz

wow, 2.6?

matey

even though 2.x had miserable support for hardware

matey

because 2.x was so fast

schestowitz

depends on the hardware

schestowitz

and the use case

schestowitz

most of the time I just use text editors

schestowitz

and basic browser for posting

schestowitz

if you revert back to some kde3 distro with 2.6.39 you might be OK

schestowitz

and Qt3

matey

this was considerably faster on considerably older hardware

matey

kde would not have been as fast on it

matey

specifically kde3

Mar 24 16:12

matey

there were probably too many factors to weigh to be sure it was about the kernel itself

Mar 24 16:12

matey

either way, i was content to use an older kernel for a while, just due to the incredible speed

Mar 24 16:13

matey

think pentium ii

Mar 24 16:13

matey

but in the long run i was willing to trade off some of the speed for hardware support

Mar 24 16:14

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Mar 24 16:17

CrystalMath

kernel 2.4 was better

Mar 24 16:26

CrystalMath

no dynamic device numbers

Mar 24 16:26

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Mar 24 16:30

bnchs

hello

Mar 24 16:30

MinceR

hay

Mar 24 16:31

bnchs

schestowitz-TR: you talked about some manchester gulagtuber getting money for bullying homeless people on the street right?

schestowitz-TR

yeah

schestowitz-TR

new laws here soon

schestowitz-TR

but many unintended consequences

bnchs

well

bnchs

you haven't talked about the "mukbang" gulagtubers

Mar 24 16:34

bnchs

they encourage kids to eat large quantities of unhealthy food

Mar 24 16:36

bnchs

and the most popular "mukbanger" is a fatass who already has diabetes and high blood pressure, who cant sleep without a vent

Mar 24 16:37

schestowitz-TR

I never heard of that

Mar 24 16:37

schestowitz-TR

in france they banned sites that encourage o r teach bulimia

Mar 24 16:37

schestowitz-TR

maybe this goes under the same ategoryu

schestowitz-TR

of eating disorders advocated

bnchs

who of course, like dfc, is in a unhappy gay relationship

CrystalMath

bnchs: there is nothing wrong with mukbang

CrystalMath

people do it voluntarily

bnchs

yes

bnchs

they do it voluntarily

bnchs

and sometimes, for money

CrystalMath

that's also voluntary

Mar 24 16:40

CrystalMath

you can say no

Mar 24 16:40

bnchs

and sometimes they encourage unhealthy eating

CrystalMath

freedom of speech

bnchs

yeah i know

CrystalMath

i encourage unhealthy eating too

CrystalMath

not overeating though, but i always say it doesn't matter if your diet is exclusively mcdonalds or the like

bnchs

unhealthy as in overeating

Mar 24 16:42

bnchs

not the food themselves

Mar 24 16:42

bnchs

but the quantity

Mar 24 16:42

CrystalMath

well that's fine too, freedom of speech

Mar 24 16:43

bnchs

i didnt encourage sabatoging them

Mar 24 16:43

bnchs

i only brought it to attention

Mar 24 16:43

CrystalMath

i think it's terrible to conflate filming violence to something as innocent as mukbang

schestowitz-TR

by, pay attention, I did not endorse that censorship in france :-)

schestowitz-TR

I think it's a trickey situation

schestowitz-TR

the internet as a whole is not healthy

schestowitz-TR

*tricky

schestowitz-TR

you could start with most extreme things

schestowitz-TR

like beheading videos

schestowitz-TR

and then work your way from there

schestowitz-TR

1. if this OK?

schestowitz-TR

2. and is THIS OK?

schestowitz-TR

3. ...

CrystalMath

like a censorship race to the bottom? :S

CrystalMath

i say allow everything

CrystalMath

everything

bnchs

CrystalMath: i'm not saying they should delete anything

bnchs

its rather up to the user

schestowitz-TR

sooner or later you realise the absolutes are inherently bad, as if life... nature is not pretty either when you start seeing animals ripping each other to pieces

bnchs

to choose what they can filter for themselves

schestowitz-TR

side story: when I was 15 opr 16 there was a site called rotten.com

schestowitz-TR

I don't know what is is or does not

schestowitz-TR

*now

schestowitz-TR

but sometimes we as kids could not resist the temptation to check it out

schestowitz-TR

it wasn't good for the mind

schestowitz-TR

that was my first experience of the "gross Internet"

bnchs

hmmm

bnchs

yes i do think we should allow everything on the internet (even the things we usually dont agree with)

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Mar 24 16:51

bnchs

but..... we should also be allowed to criticize them

Mar 24 16:52

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bnchs

CrystalMath: there is nothing wrong with mukbang

Mar 24 16:57

bnchs

i just think its a bit weird

Mar 24 16:58

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Mar 24 17:02

CrystalMath

i completely understand it though if a particular service (like youtube) does not want videos involving actual horrible violence

Mar 24 17:03

matey

/me doesnt understand why anyone would want to watch someone engaged in a food-eating competition against themselves

Mar 24 17:05

matey

but that in and of itself, meh

matey

why its so fucking popular, thats the disturbing part

bnchs

matey: yeah thats what i was talking about

matey

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bnchs

a guy who has all these health conditions from obesity and is in a unhappy relationship

bnchs

and yet he still does mukbangs

bnchs

but it is up to him to stop

matey

oh i dont know

matey

at that point his friends should stage an intervention

CrystalMath

matey: i don't watch them, i just previously encountered people hating on it for no reason, and noticed they sound just like SJWs

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matey

CrystalMath: i dont know if its really for no reason

matey

first of all its kind of disgusting

matey

but thats very subjective i guess

matey

and if we run youtube based on people taking offense, we both know where that will lead

bnchs

CrystalMath: so hating on them is censorship right?

bnchs

if we cant hate on anyone, is that censorship?

bnchs

if we cant say how much we hate their content, is that also censorship?

matey

i would think mukbang and mukbang-hate videos, in an extremely censorship-free world, would exist side by side

matey

unless we redefine censorship to include hating on anyTHING

matey

which is actually a very sjw-like position imo

matey

this is youtube, a hate-free space

matey

ok but i still hate mukb-- UH UH UH!

bnchs

matey: i agree with that

matey

its also sad that youtube doesnt let you just type in a list of things you want to filter-- without logging in

Mar 24 17:11

matey

like -mukbang

Mar 24 17:11

matey

which used to work

Mar 24 17:12

matey

and might still work sometimes

Mar 24 17:12

bnchs

-mukbang only exists in tag/keyword-based search engines

matey

but then youtube isnt really a content distribution platform, its an information gathering platform

bnchs

gulagtube's search engine is beyond that

bnchs

its a biased engine

matey

youtube is very slowly getting more like reddit

bnchs

you cant express hate or criticism on yotube

bnchs

youtube*

bnchs

they removed dislikes

matey

thats healthy

bnchs

they filter comments automatically

matey

a world where you cant criticise or question things

matey

like television :)

matey

or preschool

matey

or television aimed at preschoolers

matey

later it will be rebranded to happytube

psydruid

I consider YouTube more and more a read-only medium

psydruid

or watch-only

matey

i had a youtube account until they added restrictions by country

matey

i thought that was the antithesis of the internet

matey

so i deleted my account

matey

now i cant make one because i dont believe in giving them my phone number either

matey

but thats web 2.5 for you

matey

its like web 2.0 but it demands all your shit

matey

in 2.0 you had the OPTION of giving them all your shit

matey

but thats not enough now

Mar 24 17:19

matey

we all have to submit to 2fu

Mar 24 17:19

matey

because they want 2fu

Mar 24 17:19

CrystalMath

bnchs: yeah you can hate, but i will speak against you then because you trip my SJW alarm

Mar 24 17:20

CrystalMath

i didn't ban you or anything, i just disagreed

Mar 24 17:20

bnchs

CrystalMath: that's fine

Mar 24 17:21

bnchs

i didnt encourage censorship

Mar 24 17:21

bnchs

i simply said how weird mukbang is

Mar 24 17:21

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Mar 24 17:22

matey

/me wonders if hating on censorship will trip an sjw alarm

Mar 24 17:23

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Mar 24 17:23

bnchs

CrystalMath: i wonder if talking shit about a person trips your SJW alarm

CrystalMath

CrystalMath

just when someone is overly protective of people

bnchs

or a topic like mukbang?

bnchs

CrystalMath: yeah thats my mistake

bnchs

i shouldnt have said "it encourages [...]"

CrystalMath

>>> SJW ALERT <<<

*MinceR manually trips all the alarms

*CrystalMath presses the button to turn it off

CrystalMath

see, even that sentence activates it

MinceR

"encourages"

bnchs

yeah i get ig

bnchs

i knew that sounded odd in my mind

Mar 24 17:28

*kingoffrance .oO( >>> SJW ALERT <<< weirdest command and conquer game ever )

Mar 24 17:34

bnchs

anyway tech time

Mar 24 17:35

bnchs

why does gtk need a java-like "package id"

Mar 24 17:35

schestowitz-TR

that term does not mean much, "sjw"

schestowitz-TR

it's a straw man

schestowitz-TR

for people to bark up (or down) some tree

schestowitz-TR

better to describe the actual issue while bypassing such labels

schestowitz-TR

for me, many who use the term in their vocab are misguided reformers

Mar 24 17:39

schestowitz-TR

reformist views they're not

Mar 24 17:39

schestowitz-TR

and those who use the term in a derogatory way against those people are digging their own grave

Mar 24 17:40

schestowitz-TR

so the term became a trap

Mar 24 17:40

matey

so the term became a trap <- everybody knows what it means

Mar 24 17:42

matey

im still partial to "social chauvanists"

Mar 24 17:42

MinceR

schestowitz-TR: do you prefer "crybully"? :>

schestowitz-TR

it's also a leaded term

schestowitz-TR

better say "trolls"

matey

i think he prefers a neutral term like person

MinceR

"troll" is very vague

MinceR

"outragist" is also very vague

matey

troll is very inspecific

bnchs

yeah

matey

i dont think its necessarily a bad thing to differentiate what type of trolling it is

bnchs

sjw means social justice warrior

matey

sjw is an extreme form of concern troll

schestowitz-TR

those are contradicting terms

schestowitz-TR

social justice should mean peace

schestowitz-TR

not war

schestowitz-TR

if you wage war on people

schestowitz-TR

not likely you really want peace

schestowitz-TR

you seek some destruction

schestowitz-TR

iirc, leah came up with a better term

schestowitz-TR

something like "diplomacy"

matey

/me thinks this is just a lesson in not using a word that might lead someone to get the wrong idea

matey

which isnt the same as it being meaningless

schestowitz-TR

you can focus on the real issue

schestowitz-TR

and let the "red hats" (MAGA) and pepe the frogs do the grave-digging of their own

matey

ah yes

schestowitz-TR

those cultural wars thrive in sociall control media

matey

if you say sjw people might assume youre one of them

schestowitz-TR

IRC tends to be people focused on common goals

schestowitz-TR

the freenode/LC split was partly that

matey

it would be a silly assumption, since the term predates them

matey

but its "tainted" now

schestowitz-TR

some sort of political divide more than a business divide

schestowitz-TR

imagine techrights putting in the wrong page:

schestowitz-TR

freedom warriors

matey

baby, baby, baby, where did our terms go

schestowitz-TR

sounds worse than "oath keepers"

schestowitz-TR

or "proud boys"

schestowitz-TR

we use the term esentry

schestowitz-TR

rms suggested that term to m

schestowitz-TR

schestowitz-TR

but he borrowed it from a publication of JWs

schestowitz-TR

it's more like a guarding towers

schestowitz-TR

those cannot wage wars as they are stationary

psydruid

baby baby iku go

schestowitz-TR

so in effect they only protect from invading armies

matey

yes towers are never used in warfare

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schestowitz-TR

matey: unless they're like a rail gun

*schestowitz-TR makes offsite copies of Stepanies Friedman photos

psydruid

SJWs = Special JWs?

matey

or a tesla ray

schestowitz-TR

before they vanish

matey

/me plays all along the watchtower

Mar 24 17:50

matey

but you and i have been through that, and this is not our fate

Mar 24 17:51

matey

so let us not speak falsely now, the hours getting late

Mar 24 17:51

bnchs

hmmm

Mar 24 17:51

matey

in effect they only protect from invading armies <- and from escaping prisons

Mar 24 17:52

matey

which puts the jw publication in a more accurate light

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24 184848 < schestowitz-TR> those cannot wage wars as they are stationary

bnchs

starlink inflated their prices again

bnchs

fuck

MinceR

my experience with RTS-es states otherwise

kingoffrance

towers are people too

matey

rodents of tremdenous size? i dont think they exist

matey

and theyre certainly not spelled that way

MinceR

i remember that Red Alert skirmish game when i just built a chain of Tesla Coils to take over enemy bases

MinceR

(sure, it also required multiple screenfuls of power plants, but i had the resources...)

bnchs

i just got reminded that by tesla

Mar 24 17:55

matey

/me wonders if cell phone towers can be used to target people using drones

Mar 24 17:55

bnchs

matey: they can already be used to triangluate locations

Mar 24 17:55

bnchs

if your phone's cell modem doesn't shut the fuck up

Mar 24 17:56

matey

if its MY cell phone modem it probably wouldnt :)

Mar 24 17:56

bnchs

yeah just cut power to that bitch

Mar 24 17:56

schestowitz-TR

[17:49] <psydruid> SJWs = Special JWs?

Mar 24 18:01

schestowitz-TR

No, Jehovah's Witnesses

bnchs

SJWs is a dumb term

bnchs

is snowflake better?

schestowitz-TR

it is designed to divide

schestowitz-TR

so better avoid it

schestowitz-TR

snowflake is also a divisive term

matey

/me is content to be divided from sjws

schestowitz-TR

you fall onto the left/right chasm

schestowitz-TR

so people don't pay attention to anything

bnchs

i really hate the right/left/up/down bullshit

matey

roy youre the only one making it into a left right thing

bnchs

i dont get it

bnchs

oh you're lefist oh you're rightist

matey

people here on the left have used the term

bnchs

its all retarded

schestowitz-TR

matey: not really, no... that's how social control media is..

schestowitz-TR

the "own the lib" thing

schestowitz-TR

and calling fascist everyone who isn't like you

matey

ok but social control media isnt reality

schestowitz-TR

that's basically how they treat science, too

matey

so letting it define any aspect of your world is sort of like making rules based on television

schestowitz-TR

matey: yes, I've quit all of it

bnchs

they cherrypick science

schestowitz-TR

science "offends" me

bnchs

or even make up shit

schestowitz-TR

so the science is wrong

schestowitz-TR

it's like another religion

matey

mincer uses the term sjw does he not?

schestowitz-TR

where it's sarcriligious to state some facts

schestowitz-TR

*sacrilegious

matey

please correct if this is wrong

schestowitz-TR

in Twitter even expressing unhappiness about some vaccine is not "offensive"

schestowitz-TR

*now

schestowitz-TR

or may be

matey

/me scrolls up

schestowitz-TR

you criticise OSI

bnchs

schestowitz-TR, twitter is absolute insanity

schestowitz-TR

and you get suspended for a week, for "COVID-19 misinformation"

bnchs

i dont recommend it at all

schestowitz-TR

it's a waste of time

schestowitz-TR

and it's shrinking

schestowitz-TR

they fake their size and importancer

bnchs

its like the people there are retarded

schestowitz-TR

Twitter in 2016-2017 had loads more going

bnchs

that its starting to be associated as "the place where retards go"

schestowitz-TR

now it's a place to troll celebs

schestowitz-TR

and twitter thus added an option to disallow comments

bnchs

yes

schestowitz-TR

twitter tried reinventing itself as gov. comms and celeb platform

schestowitz-TR

that did not work

bnchs

and even downvotes

schestowitz-TR

they did that at the expense of longtime users

bnchs

that you cant see who downvoted you

schestowitz-TR

same thing gulagtube does not

bnchs

and it drags your posts down

schestowitz-TR

promoting all sort of nasty and divisive pople

schestowitz-TR

"in your face"

matey

people who are not right wing use the term

matey

then twitter says its right wing

matey

then roy adopts twitters stance as if its necessarily true

matey

then roy complains that its left/right nonsense but

schestowitz-TR

not a twitter thing at all

matey

it wasnt until he insisted it was left/right

schestowitz-TR

I've not READ Twitter in years

bnchs

left and right also divide people

schestowitz-TR

I did in the good old Wikileaks days

matey

oh come off it, youve replied to it in the past year

bnchs

its dumb

matey

so you did that without reading it?

schestowitz-TR

but in recent years the censorship there got INSANE

matey

and by replied i dont mean automatically posted

matey

i mean @replied

bnchs

schestowitz-TR: they've actually gone to community-based censorship now

schestowitz-TR

matey: if I replied, it was last year and to people who replied to me

bnchs

like downvotes

matey

fair enough

bnchs

that can be easily abused

bnchs

and if that doesnt work

matey

at any rate, not everyone here who uses the term sjw here is right wing

matey

its not a right wing term

bnchs

the users simply intimidate the user

bnchs

by doxxing them

schestowitz-TR

I went write only there in 2020 or 2021

matey

you say it is... then you complain about left/right ism

matey

but youre the one making it about left/right ism

schestowitz-TR

read-only it never was, but 10 years ago I could still pick up some signal from people I ACTUALLY followed

schestowitz-TR

before Twitter became a canon or firehose of hate and clickbait

schestowitz-TR

cannon

matey

canon works too

Mar 24 18:11

matey

albeit ironically

Mar 24 18:11

schestowitz-TR

yes, but then different meaning

Mar 24 18:11

matey

i think your "year ago" starts from december backwards

matey

my "year ago" starts roughly 365.25 days ago

matey

occasionally i use other meaning too

matey

theyre both valid uses

matey

but refer to different timespans obviously

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schestowitz-TR

I think I stopped participating in 2020

Mar 24 18:15

schestowitz-TR

but if someone asked me a question,, I'd be tempted to respond (Twitter)

schestowitz-TR

but late last year I stopped altogether)

bnchs

just delete your account

matey

late last year I stopped altogether) <- this seems plausible

schestowitz-TR

it leads to a different exchange with mass time gaps

schestowitz-TR

and bad UI

bnchs

redirect them to your email

matey

<bnchs> just delete your account <- he wont, it would be a good way to settle it

schestowitz-TR

it would delete lots of things I wrote

schestowitz-TR

and joindiaspora is dead now

schestowitz-TR

which means the backups are mostly in IRC

schestowitz-TR

in 2020 I started making copies in my personal site too

schestowitz-TR

Twitter stopped doing email notifications ages ago, maybe 10+ years ago

schestowitz-TR

it was less "economic"

schestowitz-TR

and not as good for "engagement" or ads

schestowitz-TR

it was good for the users

schestowitz-TR

so obviously they had to take that away!

bnchs

bnchs

well

chicksahoy

whenever I see a sponsored tweet I block the user

bnchs

just abandon the account

schestowitz-TR

in joindiaspora email stopped working ~1.5 years ago

bnchs

change the password to something very long and throw it away

schestowitz-TR

to see notifications you'd have to use the web UI

schestowitz-TR

bnchs: bad idea

schestowitz-TR

ICBM and FSFE can strike again

schestowitz-TR

and then Twitter can lock the account

schestowitz-TR

like, "can't use X until something Y"

bnchs

yes

bnchs

you're spreading misinfo

http://techrights.org/2022/01/10/twitter-streisand/

schestowitz

bnchs

they deserve to lock your account

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chicksahoy

job interviews with microsoft teams :(

schestowitz-TR

jobs not worth having

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schestowitz-TR

it means the employer is crap

chicksahoy

they're all crap

schestowitz-TR

and you get warned before even wasting time on an interview

schestowitz-TR

it won't stop at MS Teams

schestowitz-TR

it means the suck all around

bnchs

chicksahog: dont

bnchs

i have schools here that use ms teams

bnchs

for online shit

bnchs

i simply make up crap to not use it

Mar 24 18:22

chicksahoy

its for an IT job, of course they use windows and stuff

Mar 24 18:22

bnchs

you dodged a bullet

chicksahoy

at least you can use teams in a browser so i don't have to install any microsoft crap

bnchs

you can try educating the employer

bnchs

but if they're too closed-minded, then just give up

chicksahoy

i need a job, welfare sucks

Mar 24 18:24

schestowitz-TR

the economy sucks

Mar 24 18:24

schestowitz-TR

sucks the most to people with mortgages assuming "normality" for 30 years to come ^_^

Mar 24 18:25

chicksahoy

touche

Mar 24 18:25

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Mar 24 18:26

bnchs

the worse job here is government IT job

chicksahoy

government IT is horrible

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bnchs

imagine maintaining decades-old ASP.NET scripts

bnchs

and a shitty microsoft server

schestowitz-TR

governments are easy to bribe

schestowitz-TR

Microsoft is good at that

schestowitz-TR

(bribing)

bnchs

that might have thousands of vulnerabilities in it

bnchs

and SQL server is very unstable aswell

chicksahoy

microsoft is probably the reason anonymous is able to keep hacking russia

chicksahoy

bank of russia got hacked recently

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bnchs

the school score website just got stable these days

bnchs

if it was thousands of students logging in at once

bnchs

the web server would just die

bnchs

and sometimes database errors

schestowitz-TR

reboot

schestowitz-TR

try again

schestowitz-TR

and again

schestowitz-TR

reboot

schestowitz-TR

until exam results day is over

schestowitz-TR

some people might even get to some data

chicksahoy

i'd rather fix windows bullshit over working in retail or fast food

schestowitz-TR

isn't that the same thing?

bnchs

schestowitz-TR: yeah that doesnt work

bnchs

sometimes we also have to fix the data aswell

schestowitz-TR

"fix"?

bnchs

incorrect scores

schestowitz-TR

or fix?

bnchs

and shit

Mar 24 18:32

chicksahoy

most of the time its just user error

Mar 24 18:32

bnchs

schestowitz-TR: exam results days are always the worst days for the servers

Mar 24 18:32

bnchs

the servers were down for maintanence last semster

Mar 24 18:33

psydruid

my experience is that most of the time it's windows error

Mar 24 18:40

psydruid

to the point that I'd rather deliver pizzas than support windows

Mar 24 18:40

psydruid

it drives me insane

Mar 24 18:40

psydruid

I saw the weirdest things at my job and I just didn't know how to fix those things

Mar 24 18:41

psydruid

to the point that I was wondering if I was either too dumb or too smart for the job

Mar 24 18:42

bnchs

the smartest would know that windows errors are not worth dealing with

Mar 24 18:45

bnchs

you cant fix a shit OS

Mar 24 18:45

bnchs

why would anyone deal with the torture of a error that some windows dev skipped over

MinceR

you can't fix systemd or crapOS either

MinceR

and good luck finding a job where they use something else

bnchs

i made my own cyber-cafe

bnchs

with openrc

Mar 24 18:47

MinceR

how much profit does it make?

Mar 24 18:48

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Mar 24 18:49

bnchs

ehhh

Mar 24 18:50

bnchs

just about 30 dh a day

Mar 24 18:50

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Mar 24 18:51

bnchs

it also means i dont have to rely on OS hacks to do shit

Mar 24 18:52

bnchs

like the daemon can easily be killed

Mar 24 18:52

bnchs

in windows

Mar 24 18:52

Techrights-sec2

"seems easier to move internally through Microsoft than apply directly...ugh I mean we are still pretending Ubuntu isn't

Techrights-sec2

MS... uhm..."

https://odysee.com/@BrodieRobertson:5/want-a-job-at-canonical-write-a-5000:3

Techrights-sec2

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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-odysee.com | Want A Job At Canonical? Write A 5000 Word Essay?!?

techrights-ipfs-bot

▕ IPFS downstream, 60 mins: ▁▂█▁▅▅▆▅▂▂▃▆▄▆▁▁▇▄▂▅▆▆▅▆▅▆▃▁▁▁▅▁▂▁▁ avg(k/sec) 44.65 ▕ IPFS upstream: █▁█▁▂▁▂▂█▁█▂▄▂▃▆▂█▁▁▂▂▂▃▁█▂▁▂██▂▃▁ avg(k/sec) 80.73▕ swarm size (avg): 228.40 ⟲

Mar 24 18:59

techrights-news

5 Lesser-Known Open Source Web Browsers for Linux in 2022 • Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162952

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | 5 Lesser-Known Open Source Web Browsers for Linux in 2022 | Tux Machines

techrights-news

Google #Android Leftovers • Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162953

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Android Leftovers | Tux Machines

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Linux Mint Debian Edition 5 - Perfection with Stability [Review] • Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162954

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Linux Mint Debian Edition 5 - Perfection with Stability [Review] | Tux Machines

http://ffn.nodwick.com/?p=2391

MinceR

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ffn.nodwick.com | Full Frontal Nerdity by Aaron Williams - 03/03/2022

techrights-news

Arduino returns to Linux with Portenta X8 module and dev kit http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162945#comment-33178

Mar 24 19:03

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Portenta X8 is the first Linux Arduino board | Tux Machines

Mar 24 19:03

techrights-news

Proton Experimental gets a bunch more titles working for Steam Deck and Linux | GamingOnLinux ⚓ https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/03/proton-experimental-gets-a-bunch-more-titles-working-for-steam-deck-and-linux

Mar 24 19:08

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Mar 24 19:08

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Proton Experimental gets a bunch more titles working for Steam Deck and Linux | GamingOnLinux

Mar 24 19:08

bnchs

valve should be doing more than proton

Mar 24 19:09

bnchs

they should give rewards to developers who make gnu/linux port

Mar 24 19:09

techrights-news

Sci-fi fantasy arena-styled FPS Viscerafest sees Chapter 2 released | GamingOnLinux ⚓ https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/03/sci-fi-fantasy-arena-styled-fps-viscerafest-sees-chapter-2-released/

Mar 24 19:10

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Mar 24 19:10

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Sci-fi fantasy arena-styled FPS Viscerafest sees Chapter 2 released | GamingOnLinux

Mar 24 19:10

bnchs

like less sale cuts

Mar 24 19:11

techrights-news

Fanatical put up their own Stand With Ukraine Charity Bundle | GamingOnLinux ⚓ https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/03/fanatical-put-up-their-own-stand-with-ukraine-charity-bundle ䷉ Source: gamingonlinux

Mar 24 19:12

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Mar 24 19:12

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Fanatical put up their own Stand With Ukraine Charity Bundle | GamingOnLinux

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Kickstart RT from NVIDIA makes Ray Tracing integration in games easier | GamingOnLinux ⚓ https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/03/kickstart-rt-from-nvidia-makes-ray-tracing-integration-in-games-easier/ ䷉ Source: Gaming On Linux | GNU | Linux | Games

Mar 24 19:14

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Mar 24 19:14

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Kickstart RT from NVIDIA makes Ray Tracing integration in games easier | GamingOnLinux

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techrights-news

An example of stories not related to Linux, which serve mostly as x86 masrketing ⚓ https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/03/amd-reveal-more-on-fidelityfx-super-resolution-20-fsr ䷉ Source: Gaming On Linux | GNU | Linux | Games

Mar 24 19:25

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Mar 24 19:25

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-AMD reveal more on FidelityFX Super Resolution 2.0 (FSR) | GamingOnLinux

Mar 24 19:25

techrights-news

Game Pass on Steam Deck, Android apps in the cloud, and GNOME 42 - Linux and open source news - Invidious ⚓ https://yewtu.be/watch?v=Y_QwXn4lY6E ䷉ Source: Video | Invidious | Multimedia

Mar 24 19:26

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-yewtu.be | Game Pass on Steam Deck, Android apps in the cloud, and GNOME 42 - Linux and open source news - Invidious

Mar 24 19:26

techrights-news

VMware is a hole in your server https://us-cert.cisa.gov/ncas/current-activity/2022/03/24/vmware-releases-security-updates nasty company http://techrights.org/wiki/VMware#2020

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.cisa.gov | VMware Releases Security Updates | CISA

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | VMware - Techrights

techrights-news

"Whitney joined Ryan to discuss the connection between January 6th, the Azov Battalion, Ukraine, and the “War On Domestic Terror”." https://unlimitedhangout.com/2022/03/press/tlav-january-6th-azov-battalion-the-war-on-d̶o̶m̶e̶s̶t̶i̶c̶-̶t̶e̶r̶r̶o̶r̶-you/

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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-unlimitedhangout.com | TLAV: January 6th, Azov Battalion & The War On D̶o̶m̶e̶s̶t̶i̶c̶ ̶T̶e̶r̶r̶o̶r̶ YOU

techrights-news

[GIT PULL] nfsd changes for 5.18 - Chuck Lever III ⚓ https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/EF97E1F5-B70F-4F9F-AC6D-7B48336AE3E5@oracle.com/ ䷉ Source: oracle

Mar 24 19:33

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lore.kernel.org | [GIT PULL] nfsd changes for 5.18 - Chuck Lever III

Mar 24 19:33

techrights-news

"In this video, I am going to show an overview of SparkyLinux 2022.03 and some of the applications pre-installed." https://yewtu.be/watch?v=-XTIJKbJzUA

Mar 24 19:33

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-yewtu.be | SparkyLinux 2022.03 overview | Powered by Debian - Invidious

Mar 24 19:34

techrights-news

Spamnil's site now does attention-shifting propaganda for Microsoft ("Large-Scale Attack Uses Malicious npm Packages To Target Azure Developers"). No, NPM IS Microsoft... same for Azure... notice how they're looking to blame anyone but the platform http://techrights.org/2021/09/30/azure-brute-force/

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Microsoft Whistleblower and Clients Warned, More Than 2 Years Ago in Fact, About the Current Azure Mess (But Microsoft Ignored Those Warnings, Buried Facts) | Techrights

bnchs

lol

bnchs

large scale attack

bnchs

azure developers

techrights-news

Windows is malware. GitHub is malware. NPM is malware. What do they all have in common? Microsoft.

bnchs

literally if it wasnt for brandon the retard

bnchs

we wouldnt have given spamnil more material

techrights-news

#FreeBSD 13.1-BETA3 is out. Site not updated yet. https://www.freebsd.org/

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.freebsd.org | The FreeBSD Project

techrights-news

Meet the Secretive US Company Building an ‘Unbreakable’ Internet Inside Russia https://www.vice.com/en/article/z3n5e9/russian-internet-lantern

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.vice.com | Meet the Secretive US Company Building an ‘Unbreakable’ Internet Inside Russia

techrights-news

Mozilla wants your money while it's selling your data https://hacks.mozilla.org/2022/03/introducing-mdn-plus-make-mdn-your-own/

Mar 24 19:38

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Mar 24 19:38

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-hacks.mozilla.org | Introducing MDN Plus: Make MDN your own - Mozilla Hacks - the Web developer blog

Mar 24 19:38

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How to install Slackware 15 ⚓ https://unixcop.com/how-to-install-slackware-15/ ䷉ Source: unixcop

Mar 24 19:40

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-unixcop.com | How to install Slackware 15 - Unix / Linux the admins Tutorials

Mar 24 19:40

techrights-news

Fedora 36 Beta Update - Madeline Peck ⚓ https://www.madelinepeck.com/blog/2022/3/22/fedora-36-beta-update ䷉ Source: madelinepeck

Mar 24 19:41

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.madelinepeck.com | Fedora 36 Beta Update — Madeline Peck

Mar 24 19:41

DaemonFC

It's no wonder the schools are failing. I just got another letter from the high school asking for a tax hike. They keep asking and we keep voting no. You'd think a high school would be able to sit down and go "This is what tax revenue is. This is what our expenses are." and solve for it, but instead they cram pack my mailbox with fucking flyers saying "Pay up by Monday or the kids get it!". If they don't get their tax hike, then one day in the

DaemonFC

future, perhaps not far from now, they won't be able to afford essential basic services, such as printing up 100,000 flyers asking for a tax hike and posting them each week in the three months leading up to every election.

techrights-news

Seems to me like a sign Purism is struggling https://puri.sm/posts/as-purism-grows-founder-ceo-todd-weaver-transitions-role-of-president-to-kyle-rankin-vice-president-to-nicole-faerber/

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-puri.sm | As Purism Grows, Founder CEO Todd Weaver Transitions Role of President to Kyle Rankin & Vice-President to Nicole Faerber – Purism

DaemonFC

mjg59_ wonders why I hate government, but MinceR totally gets it. ^

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techrights-news

"Open Source" became meaningless junk. Say Free software instead. School's back in session at Open Source 101 ⚓ https://www.collabora.com/news-and-blog/news-and-events/schools-back-in-session-open-source-101.html ䷉ Source: collabora

Mar 24 19:43

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.collabora.com | School's back in session at Open Source 101

Mar 24 19:43

DaemonFC

Also lost on a school in the next town over (which also sends me flyers) is that I don't live in their town, and part of their budget is stuffing mailboxes of voters in a town that can't vote in their election.

Mar 24 19:43

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Mar 24 19:44

techrights-news

Foundries.io and Arduino Deliver Secure, Embedded Linux IoT and Edge Solutions for the Enterprise http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162945#comment-33179

Mar 24 19:45

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Portenta X8 is the first Linux Arduino board | Tux Machines

Mar 24 19:45

bnchs

fuck stuffing mailboxes

Mar 24 19:45

techrights-news

Hamsket – SparkyLinux ⚓ https://sparkylinux.org/hamsket/ ䷉ Source: sparkylinux on "Free, Open Source and Cross Platform messaging and emailing app that combines common web applications into one."

Mar 24 19:46

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-sparkylinux.org | Hamsket – SparkyLinux

Mar 24 19:46

activelow

documentary on TV, about hackers, white hats and black hats, and most high-profile hackers jailed in USA are Russians

Mar 24 19:46

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activelow

supposedly it is russian sites and channels, where the real stuff is discussed

techrights-news

Microbel doing AMD ads again in Phoronix ⚓ https://www.phoronix.com/vr.php?view=31007 ䷉ Source: Phoronix (but it used to cover Linux)

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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Windows vs. Linux Benchmarks For AMD Ryzen Server Performance Review - Phoronix

bnchs

windows vs linux

bnchs

let me guess

bnchs

biased?

schestowitz-TR

does not matter

schestowitz-TR

he advertises neigher

schestowitz-TR

he does AMD

http://techrights.org/2022/02/03/phoronix-went-too-far/

schestowitz

Mar 24 19:50

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | When Blogs Become Marketing and Benchmarks Become Product Promotions | Techrights

Mar 24 19:50

activelow

power plant hacked in Ukraine, 2015, power outage... product placement advertisement: WindowsXP

Mar 24 19:53

techrights-news

Videos: SparkyLinux and More • Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162955

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Videos: SparkyLinux and More | Tux Machines

techrights-news

Games: Proton Experimental and More • Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162956

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Games: Proton Experimental and More | Tux Machines

https://baronhk.wordpress.com/2022/03/24/its-no-wonder-the-schools-in-illinois-are-failing-i-just-got-another-letter-from-the-high-school-asking-for-a-tax-hike/

DaemonFC

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-baronhk.wordpress.com | It’s no wonder the schools in Illinois are failing. I just got another letter from the high school asking for a tax hike. – BaronHK's Rants

DaemonFC

Mr. GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOLAG's head explodes.

DaemonFC

"Maybe if they’d stop ripping the names of some of our finest presidents, like Teddy Roosevelt, off the signage, to destroy positive white role models in history, they could scrounge up some more money."

bnchs

activelow: power plant using windows

bnchs

WHAT COULD GO WRONG

schestowitz-TR

the nuclear part is bad

schestowitz-TR

never mind what OS

activelow

it was some accounting software common in Ukraine, which an Update was downloaded for, and all systems compromised

DaemonFC

If they can have "black history" and "black role models" (and there are quite a few, granted...), then why shouldn't we be proud of white role models in history?

DaemonFC

Or maybe we should stop calling it <race> history month, because maybe that is racist.

DaemonFC

Quit putting role models on "separate but equal" lists, by choice, and seeing no irony in that.

schestowitz-TR

DaemonFC: it's offtopi

techrights-news

(In)Security of Proprietary Software • Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162957

Mar 24 19:57

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | (In)Security of Proprietary Software | Tux Machines

Mar 24 19:57

DaemonFC

schestowitz-TR, I've been tempted to fork that "Bitch to Boss" thing.

Mar 24 19:57

DaemonFC

Have it replace the GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOGLE thing.

DaemonFC

GOOOOOOOOOLAG

schestowitz-TR

it's like Gulag Search

schestowitz-TR

at the bottom it says or used to say goooooooooooogle

DaemonFC

I don't know that it does anymore.

DaemonFC

If I use Google at all, it's through Startpage.

schestowitz-TR

you can click on the Os

DaemonFC

I'm not happy with the search situation.

schestowitz-TR

startpage is a spying company

schestowitz-TR

so you accomplish mothing

DaemonFC

DuckDuckGo is worse.

bnchs

activelow: yeah good

DaemonFC

Both on privacy and results.

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bnchs

aufomatic upadte

bnchs

automatic update

DaemonFC

They're fed by Bing and Bing results are more censored and full of irrelevant crap than Google's are.

bnchs

what could go wrong?

DaemonFC

And Microsoft's ToS are surprisingly worse.

DaemonFC

In the settings for Microsoft's online "services" there are references to "Windows" and "XBOX" consoles and "Microsoft Office" and you have to go there to do things like get app passwords for K9 Mail on your phone.

Mar 24 20:00

DaemonFC

Because only Microsoft products exist in their bunker where they go insane.

Mar 24 20:01

DaemonFC

It's like Hitler barking orders at imaginary armored units while the Red Army controlled all but several blocks of Berlin.

Mar 24 20:01

bnchs

lol

Mar 24 20:01

bnchs

you know how microsoft's products are popular?

DaemonFC

Somehow, many immigrants end up in Illinois. That's not to say Indiana gets none.

bnchs

because they shove it down windows' useds' faces

DaemonFC

Indiana is more welcoming, honestly.

bnchs

even their fucking lock screen

bnchs

HAS ADS FOR MICROSOFT

Mar 24 20:03

activelow

some of the "hackers" presented seem to be posers

Mar 24 20:03

bnchs

"look at this cool wallpaper, CHECK OUT HOW THE GUY WHO TOOK IT USED AZURE TO JACK OFF 1000 TIMES FASTER"

Mar 24 20:03

DaemonFC

Some Asian woman saw me on the Red Line and asked me where the Pulaski stop on the L system was, so I finally gave up trying to tell her because she didn't know English or enough to say what she wanted except "Pulaski?", so I eventually pulled out a piece of paper and drew her a map of the L system and how to know which stops to get off at and transfer to. I hope she was okay.

Mar 24 20:04

activelow

they're using web-sites and forums to communicate... as if this was the real hackers; they aren't

Mar 24 20:04

activelow

doesn't mean their vandalism wasn't annoying or dangerous

https://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonkelly/2022/03/23/microsoft-windows-11-windows-10-hack-attack-zero-day-new-windows-update/

schestowitz-TR

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.forbes.com | Microsoft Just Gave A Billion Users A Reason To Quit Windows

DaemonFC

If she got the "Chicago Welcome Committee" on that side of town it would have certainly been a bunch of "troubled youth" (schestowitz-ism) with guns, doing all sorts of depravity.

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DaemonFC

Meanwhile, in Indiana, she would have encountered (most likely) a large group of people who made sure she got where she was going safely.

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https://www.maketecheasier.com/watermarks-on-unsupported-windows-11-pcs/

schestowitz

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.maketecheasier.com | Watermarks to Start Appearing on Unsupported Windows 11 PCs - Make Tech Easier

DaemonFC

But the leftists, like mjg59_ like to call places like Indiana a heehaw state, and deflect from the fact that vicious attacks on Asians in America mostly happen in blue states and the bluest parts of blue states.

schestowitz

DaemonFC: we are talking about tech

schestowitz

you interject shit politics to settle personal scores

DaemonFC

It's been in the news a lot in his city of San Francisco, and it's not even that abnormal in Chicago and New York, and Seattle, and Portland.

DaemonFC

Because all of the fucked up people live there for some reason.

schestowitz

go to another channel

bnchs

schestowitz: lol at "unsupported"

schestowitz

don't ruin this one

schestowitz

bnchs: well, it runs it

schestowitz

so clearly it IS supportede

schestowitz

Microsoft is being a dictator

DaemonFC

There's quite a few ways to remove the watermark from Windows.

bnchs

YOUR PC MUST BE THIS NEW TO RUN WINDOZE 11 ---->

DaemonFC

But the better option is to just get rid of Windows.

bnchs

encourages more e-waste by brainless consumers

DaemonFC

That'll make the watermark go away, and recent versions of Wine and Proton are quite good.

bnchs

i like how microsoft is not trying to optimize their OS

schestowitz-TR

no, no,

bnchs

its like they let it go

DaemonFC

"Everyone interesting runs Windows." - mjg59_ "Free Software Developer.....Suuuuuuuuper Genius"

schestowitz-TR

Mirosoft loves the plane

schestowitz-TR

they even burn it down with Windows

bnchs

yeah

bnchs

they let windows go

schestowitz-TR

and then releases the excess heat to home in Finland... in August LOL

DaemonFC

Windows is like that supposed Chinese curse.

bnchs

and now its too bloated to run in even much more capable PCs

bnchs

they should just kill it and be done with it

DaemonFC

May you live in interesting times and may you come to the attention of the authorities. Well, with the Windows OS breaking down all the time requiring constant attention and recovery from backups (you have backups, right?) it's interesting in that way......and you WILL come to the attention of authorities, because it tells them everything you do on your PC.

techrights-news

Notice how bug were outsources to Microsoft proprietary software. Mozilla is DONE. https://blog.nightly.mozilla.org/2022/03/24/these-weeks-in-firefox-issue-112/

-altlink_587/#techrights-📣 Cloudflare: mozilla.org | 🙆 Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://blog.nightly.mozilla.org/2022/03/24/these-weeks-in-firefox-issue-112/

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.nightly.mozilla.org | These Weeks In Firefox: Issue 112 – Firefox Nightly News

bnchs

yes

bnchs

its ironic

techrights-news

Notice how bugs were outsourced to Microsoft proprietary software. Mozilla is DONE. https://blog.nightly.mozilla.org/2022/03/24/these-weeks-in-firefox-issue-112/

-altlink_587/#techrights-📣 Cloudflare: mozilla.org | 🙆 Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://blog.nightly.mozilla.org/2022/03/24/these-weeks-in-firefox-issue-112/

bnchs

gnu/linux used to be the OS that breaks down a lot

bnchs

now the tables have turned

bnchs

its windows

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activelow

now they say again, "the Russians" hacked the democratic congress and the US elections... and even if, it is almost impossible to know, who it was

bnchs

their updates is so untested that its a 50/50 chance

activelow

500 piecs of malware and domain names

bnchs

50% it will work

MinceR

24 204951 < bnchs> biased?

bnchs

50% it will break the OS and you have to reinstall

MinceR

he'll say whatever drives page views

DaemonFC

"Linux" systems generally don't break down a lot unless you're using something fast moving, untested, experimental, and/or rolling.... (Fedora, Arch....) or just do something that any reasonable person would know leads to a broken system (APT warns you not to do it and you do it anyway for YouTube click pennies, like Linus Sebastian).

bnchs

DaemonFC: windows shills are still with the mentality that gnu/linux systems are unstable

Mar 24 20:13

MinceR

lol @ heehaw state

Mar 24 20:13

DaemonFC

I never had any trouble with my systems unless I was just using something I knew was probably a little sketchy in the first place.

Mar 24 20:13

DaemonFC

The "consumer-facing" ones and the Long Term Support distributions generally don't make crazy choices that they'll have to support for 5-10 years if they can possibly avoid doing so.

Mar 24 20:14

DaemonFC

KDE 2/3 on Mandrake Linux were stable in the early to mid 2000s.

Mar 24 20:14

bnchs

yeah

DaemonFC

Quite good enough for daily usage. Maybe you needed to plan your hardware more than you do today, but they were not unstable.

bnchs

but microsoft shills still try to decimate it

bnchs

try to drive people away

DaemonFC

I picked Mandrake because it was one that I could buy in a box that didn't look like it was the stuff of nightmares.

MinceR

seems to me those distros pretty much all made crazy choices and stuck with them

psydroid2

GNU/Linux was already better than Windows in the 90s and in the early 2000s it became "user-friendly"

DaemonFC

Some of those early Debian box sets were infamously bad. There was one company that packaged Debian 2.1 (iirc) and it only came with 1/2 CDs and they managed to bork the setup program so there was no way to install a working system. Ever.

DaemonFC

Then they sold it.

MinceR

choices like systemd and gnome

MinceR

some of them even made choices like yum and dnf

DaemonFC

KDE does work on Debian.

DaemonFC

Which is a hell of a lot more you can say for Fedora and KDE.

MinceR

MinceR

but for how long

MinceR

kde capitulated to the enemy

DaemonFC

I posted about Fedora on my blog asking them to please stop packaging anything but GNOME if they were going to fuck it up that bad.

DaemonFC

They don't really support KDE on Fedora. The packagers are using Windows and Macs and Microsoft Edge.

DaemonFC

One of them admitted he only used Fedora on Windows 10 in an emulator.

DaemonFC

Exactly the maintainers you want, you know?

bnchs

psydroid2: gnu/linux was used for most moroccan websites in early 2000's

DaemonFC

They tossed out the one real community maintainer of KDE right in front of me.

techrights-news

Gartner is not predicting, it is shilling. In this case for mass surveillance profiteers like Microsoft. https://www.theregister.com/2022/02/24/gartner_top_10_gov/ see http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Gartner_Group

-altlink_587/#techrights-📣 Cloudflare: theregister.com | 🙆 Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.theregister.com/2022/02/24/gartner_top_10_gov/

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.com | Mobile-based ID among top 10 government trends says Gartner • The Register

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Gartner Group - Techrights

DaemonFC

Said he was "offending" Microsoft and Nvidia and so he was being removed by decision of the "Fedora Council".

DaemonFC

Which did not hold an open discussion of vote.

bnchs

DaemonFC: fedora is controlled by microsoft

bnchs

better dump it

DaemonFC

It's too fucked up to salvage at this point.

techrights-news

Clown computing means a lot of downtime you're not in control of; it's also a lot of other bad things https://www.theregister.com/2022/02/22/slack_down/

-altlink_587/#techrights-📣 Cloudflare: theregister.com | 🙆 Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.theregister.com/2022/02/22/slack_down/

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.com | Ongoing services outage at Slack • The Register

bnchs

when a distro is bribed way too hard by corporations

bnchs

better to just dump it

https://www.theregister.com/2022/02/18/windows_11_insider_msa/

schestowitz

-altlink_587/#techrights-📣 Cloudflare: theregister.com | 🙆 Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.theregister.com/2022/02/18/windows_11_insider_msa/

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.com | Connectivity now needed for Windows 11 Pro Dev Channel setup • The Register

DaemonFC

That's why I stopped using Fedora.

DaemonFC

I used to be really happy with it.

DaemonFC

It was fairly stable and always had the latest stuff and ran on the laptop I JUST BOUGHT.

Mar 24 20:22

DaemonFC

And now the maintainers can't even be bothered to run it.

Mar 24 20:22

DaemonFC

And have no idea what's going on when you put it on a real computer and try to use it.

Mar 24 20:22

bnchs

so you cant criticize microsoft

DaemonFC

Nope.

bnchs

because fedora is too corrupt?

DaemonFC

You'll be banned from their room, perhaps after a warning or two.

DaemonFC

Fuck Fedora.

DaemonFC

Moving on, just use something else.

bnchs

schestowitz: its actually real thing now

techrights-news

Clown nonsense. Nothing to be gained from this. https://martechseries.com/sales-marketing/marketing-clouds/zenhub-joins-the-cloud-native-computing-foundation/

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-martechseries.com | ZenHub Joins the Cloud Native Computing Foundation

DaemonFC

It's like a state that falls apart until you realize that nobody will ever vote to fix it and you just need to leave.

bnchs

if you use a exotic wifi or ethernet card

DaemonFC

Fedora is as much of a success under IBM as Illinois is under the Democratic Party.

Mar 24 20:24

bnchs

one thats not supported in their installation image

Mar 24 20:24

bnchs

then the installation is borked

Mar 24 20:24

bnchs

modern laptops come with wifi cards and ethernet cards that you have to install drivers seperately

bnchs

because it doesnt come with stock

bnchs

installation

MinceR

it seems to me fedora is doing exactly what ibm/deadrat wants from it

MinceR

collects what volunteer work they can gather and serves as the basis of many systemd distributions, which all make their users beholden to ibm/deadrat

Mar 24 20:26

bnchs

arch linux doesnt even let you install your own init system

bnchs

its just systemd

schestowitz-TR

fedora is ICBM

bnchs

back then it used to use sysvinit

schestowitz-TR

ICBM is still close to Microsoft

schestowitz-TR

even closer than a decade ago

schestowitz-TR

they have similar problems

schestowitz-TR

like their growing irrelevance

bnchs

or the init system used by the UNIX system V

schestowitz-TR

they buy companies, but it's too late

schestowitz-TR

they also lie to shareholders to pretend there is "growth"

schestowitz-TR

for which they do the bucket game

techrights-news

"When you think Linux gaming you think of general Linux systems like PopOS, Arch, Manjaro, etc but soon that will change and Chromebooks will also have support for Steam and Proton" - Invidious ⚓ https://yewtu.be/watch?v=St3tjDr1HPU ䷉ Source: Video | Invidious | Multimedia

Mar 24 20:29

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-yewtu.be | Steam & Proton Are Coming Soon To Chromebooks?? - Invidious

Mar 24 20:29

techrights-news

Canonical 2004: Freedom on desktops. Canonical 2022: Microsoft, bugs, and listening devices https://ubuntu.com//blog/the-evolution-of-the-smart-home-how-it-started-part-1

-altlink_587/#techrights-📣 Cloudflare: ubuntu.com | 🙆 Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://ubuntu.com//blog/the-evolution-of-the-smart-home-how-it-started-part-1

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-The Evolution of the Smart Home: How it Started [Part 1] | Ubuntu

bnchs

chromebooks are retarded

techrights-news

COVID-19 approves wholeheartedly: "LET ME SPREAD FASTER!" https://bhsregister.com/6553/news/bsd-lifts-mask-mandate-data-to-know/

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-bhsregister.com | BSD lifts mask mandate: data to know – BHS Register

-altlink_587/#techrights-📣 Cloudflare: bhsregister.com | 🙆 Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://bhsregister.com/6553/news/bsd-lifts-mask-mandate-data-to-know/

bnchs

there is many reasons why i'm grateful i live in a poor country

bnchs

and chromebooks are one

techrights-news

COVID-19 has slipped totally out of control in the UK http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2022/03/24/uk-data-hospital/

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com » Blog Archive » UK Data: Over 17,000 in Hospital With COVID-19 and the Number Only Rises

schestowitz-TR

bnchs: no wifi

schestowitz-TR

chromebooks barely consider any other connection methods

schestowitz-TR

in southeast asia shops don't even know what that is

schestowitz-TR

they only sell windows crap

schestowitz-TR

to be fair, I think SUSE has some growth in indonesia

MinceR

can't you use a usb ethernet adapter?

schestowitz-TR

it's also risk-free for Microsoft to bribe officials there

schestowitz-TR

MinceR: chromebooks lack those ports

schestowitz-TR

usb yes

schestowitz-TR

but connected to wifi or xG dongle mayeb

MinceR

if you have a usb port, you can obtain an ethernet port

schestowitz-TR

not sure how gulagOS handles those

techrights-news

Does AMD pay for memberships with crates of high-end CPUs? Or is that just for bloggers? https://www.hpcwire.com/off-the-wire/almalinux-os-foundation-announces-new-members-including-amd/

Mar 24 20:36

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.hpcwire.com | AlmaLinux OS Foundation Announces New Members, Including AMD

Mar 24 20:36

-altlink_587/#techrights-📣 Cloudflare: hpcwire.com | 🙆 Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.hpcwire.com/off-the-wire/almalinux-os-foundation-announces-new-members-including-amd/

Mar 24 20:36

bnchs

schestowitz-TR: no ethernet port?

techrights-news

Worldwide inflation suffocating Africans. "Bills" are, to many, the main cost of living (food, water, energy) https://www.stabroeknews.com/2022/03/16/news/guyana/ali-promises-no-hikes-in-electricity-water-rates-despite-rising-costs/

-altlink_587/#techrights-📣 Cloudflare: stabroeknews.com | 🙆 Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.stabroeknews.com/2022/03/16/news/guyana/ali-promises-no-hikes-in-electricity-water-rates-despite-rising-costs/

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.stabroeknews.com | Ali promises no hikes in electricity, water rates despite rising costs - Stabroek News

schestowitz-TR

bnchs: no, they want your location data

bnchs

wow

bnchs

one thing

techrights-news

Why does Gulag Noise syndicate Microsoft sites as if they're a source of news. Has Gulag no sense of shame?

bnchs

we dont buy our computers from the hypermarkets (where they only sell retarded microsoft-ridden shit)

DaemonFC

There we go. Now I have 125 pounds of cat food on hand.

bnchs

we buy our computers from the dirty old market

DaemonFC

That ought to last 6-7 months easily for my two cats.

bnchs

where they're at least early 2010's or late 2000's old

bnchs

and easily modifiable

DaemonFC

If they're threatening no chickens for HUMANS, what are we going to feed the cats with?

techrights-news

RedisJSON 2 Adds Indexing Option ⚓ https://www.i-programmer.info/news/197-data-mining/15300-redisjson-2-adds-indexing-option.html ䷉ Source: i-programmer

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.i-programmer.info | RedisJSON 2 Adds Indexing Option

DaemonFC

I'd scream if they start inventing "supply troubles" with cat food and I ran out of cat food and had to watch my cats die or try to feed them with whatever I could get.

bnchs

also they come with absolutely NO operating system

bnchs

you have to buy it seperately

bnchs

which is a plus for me

bnchs

install*

Mar 24 20:41

bnchs

one thing about windows-less PCs is that they offer a huge discount because they dont have to buy a license

Mar 24 20:41

techrights-news

They would be vastly better off getting an OS almost entirely GPL. It's called GNU/Linux. https://www.aviationanalysis.net/gpl-software-explorer-patcher-restores-features-from-windows-10/

Mar 24 20:42

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Mar 24 20:42

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.aviationanalysis.net | GPL Software Explorer Patcher restores features from Windows 10

Mar 24 20:42

DaemonFC

That's a myth.

techrights-news

Junk you find on the Web and install without worries ⚓ https://www.searchenginejournal.com/yoast-wordpress-seo-bug-creates-duplicate-sitemaps/442668/ ䷉ Source: searchenginejournal

-altlink_587/#techrights-📣 Cloudflare: searchenginejournal.com | 🙆 Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.searchenginejournal.com/yoast-wordpress-seo-bug-creates-duplicate-sitemaps/442668/

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.searchenginejournal.com | Yoast WordPress SEO Bug Creates Duplicate Sitemaps

DaemonFC

The crapware usally pays for the Windows license. But then you have the nuisance of removing Windows so you can install an operating system instead of warmed over 90s shit from Microsoft, buried under dozens of GB of extraneous bloat and adware and spyware, which was mostly placed there to make it run REALLY badly on computers from more than a couple years ago, that was only an alleged operating system to start with.

Mar 24 20:44

DaemonFC

AKA, Windows "11".

Mar 24 20:44

bnchs

bnchs

windows-less computers

techrights-news

Well, the world is getting hotter, doesn't it? While energy prices soar and capacity isn't improving... https://newsroom.gy/2022/03/23/more-ac-usage-driving-up-electricity-demand-gpl-says-consumers-must-conserve/

-altlink_587/#techrights-📣 Cloudflare: newsroom.gy | 🙆 Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://newsroom.gy/2022/03/23/more-ac-usage-driving-up-electricity-demand-gpl-says-consumers-must-conserve/

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-newsroom.gy | More AC usage driving up electricity demand; GPL says consumers must conserve – News Room Guyana

DaemonFC

They don't even support my late 2016 Lenovo laptop anymore with Windows 11.

bnchs

dont have windows license in the bios chip

bnchs

nor any w1x logo

DaemonFC

GNU/Linux runs fine. It's so fast that you can barely even tell it's closing in on 6 years old.

DaemonFC

By the time GNU/Linux doesn't run well, your odds of a hardware failure that year are higher than 80% anyway.

bnchs

same program on windows in a laptop: blank window for 6 seconds

bnchs

then whole OS lags

bnchs

same program on gnu/linux in the same laptop: runs in almost a millisecond

bnchs

maybe even much less

DaemonFC

Windows needs a minimum of 16 GB of RAM to even run a few programs at the same time without noticeable jank.

DaemonFC

Which is pitiful.

techrights-news

Better headline would clarify that Microsoft is shipping malware through its proprietary software hub https://threatpost.com/dev-sabotages-popular-npm-package-protest-russian-invasion/178972/

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Dev Sabotages Popular NPM Package to Protest Russian Invasion | Threatpost

bnchs

dev sabotages npm package

techrights-news

Ukraine's nuclear plants: What's happening with them now? - El Reg ⚓ https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/16/ukraine_nuclear_safety_update/ ䷉ Source: theregister

-altlink_587/#techrights-📣 Cloudflare: theregister.com | 🙆 Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/16/ukraine_nuclear_safety_update/

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.com | Ukraine's nuclear plants: What's happening with them now? • The Register

bnchs

brandon miller gave free software a bad face

bnchs

i fucking hate him for that

techrights-news

Best Add-ons (Extensions) For Firefox On Android | Screen Rant ⚓ https://screenrant.com/firefox-android-add-ons-extensions-best/ ䷉ Source: screenrant

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-screenrant.com | Best Add-ons (Extensions) For Firefox On Android | Screen Rant

techrights-news

Firefox 98.0.2 fixes a crash on Windows, an add-ons issue, and more - gHacks Tech News ⚓ https://www.ghacks.net/2022/03/23/firefox-98-0-2-fixes-a-crash-on-windows-an-add-ons-issue-and-more/ ䷉ Source: ghacks

Mar 24 20:49

-altlink_587/#techrights-📣 Cloudflare: ghacks.net | 🙆 Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.ghacks.net/2022/03/23/firefox-98-0-2-fixes-a-crash-on-windows-an-add-ons-issue-and-more/

Mar 24 20:49

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.ghacks.net | Firefox 98.0.2 fixes a crash on Windows, an add-ons issue, and more - gHacks Tech News

Mar 24 20:49

techrights-news

Patent trap. Mozilla is finally adding AV1 support to Firefox a full two years after Chrome and Edge ⚓ https://www.androidpolice.com/mozilla-is-finally-adding-av1-support-to-firefox-a-full-two-years-after-chrome-and-edge/ ䷉ Source: androidpolice

Mar 24 20:50

-altlink_587/#techrights-📣 Cloudflare: androidpolice.com | 🙆 Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.androidpolice.com/mozilla-is-finally-adding-av1-support-to-firefox-a-full-two-years-after-chrome-and-edge/

Mar 24 20:50

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.androidpolice.com | Mozilla is finally adding AV1 support to Firefox a full two years after Chrome and Edge

Mar 24 20:50

schestowitz-TR

bnchs: Microsoft was the dispatcher

schestowitz-TR

they want to pretend to have no responsibility

DaemonFC

"Pope says increasing military budgets and imposing sanctions is not a solution to war"

schestowitz-TR

as usual

DaemonFC

LOL, the Pope

bnchs

yes

http://techrights.org/2019/07/14/blaming-canonical-for-github/

schestowitz

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | GitHub is Microsoft’s Proprietary Software and Centralised (Monopoly) Platform, But When Canonical’s Account There Gets Compromised Suddenly It’s Ubuntu’s Fault? | Techrights

bnchs

bur who thought of the idea

bnchs

brandon did

schestowitz

Microsoft was his distribution network

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s3RNsZvdYZQ

DaemonFC

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Invidious: https://yewtu.be/watch?v=s3RNsZvdYZQ

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> yewtu.be | The Line Must Be Drawn Here - Star Trek: First Contact (6/9) Movie CLIP (1996) HD - Invidious

schestowitz

otherwise he would have to convince people to get his malware from his site

schestowitz

Microsoft should never have been in charge of these things

schestowitz

they put the "supply chain" in the NSA's hands

bnchs

yes

http://techrights.org/2022/02/28/microsoft-github-expose-part-xviii-the-story-of-npm/

schestowitz

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Microsoft GitHub Exposé — Part XVIII — The Story of NPM | Techrights

bnchs

brandon's plan went flawless

bnchs

he made a package for a simple job

bnchs

waited until most popular packages depended on it

bnchs

then spread his malware through it

techrights-news

Firefox: AV1, Fixes, Addons, Changes, and Upselling MDN • Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162958

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Firefox: AV1, Fixes, Addons, Changes, and Upselling MDN | Tux Machines

schestowitz

no QA at Microsoft

schestowitz

they are good at banning peole

schestowitz

esp. for criticising Microsoft

schestowitz

but malware?

bnchs

it was so easy i could have paid 50 dollars to an adultery site

schestowitz

"Hey, WE DO THAT SHIT TOO!!"

DaemonFC

IBM bans people for criticizing Microsoft (and Nvidia).

schestowitz

ICBM is not a friend

http://techrights.org/2021/07/05/ibm-led-mob/

schestowitz

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | [Meme] IBM is NOT a Friend of Free Software | Techrights

DaemonFC

Just saying Nvidia's driver is proprietary, full of bugs, and causes data loss will get you banned from the Fedora "community".

DaemonFC

It does cause data loss sometimes when it freezes up THE ENTIRE COMPUTER and you have to hold the button in.

Mar 24 20:56

DaemonFC

The question is how much.

Mar 24 20:56

DaemonFC

There is no coordination between Nvidia and the Linux kernel developers, so nobody is really testing this to see how it works together or if some new kernel will introduce something that doesn't get along well with it.

bnchs

DaemonFC: i like how retarded users

bnchs

blame nvidia's sloppily coded kernel module

bnchs

on linux's fault

techrights-news

Do these animal consent to being there? https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-humber-60850923

-altlink_587/#techrights-📣 Cloudflare: bbc.com | 🙆 Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-humber-60850923

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Hull's The Deep aquarium attraction marks 20th anniversary - BBC News

bnchs

"no its linux's fault that my PC crashed and lost all my work"

bnchs

never nvidia

techrights-news

Tell that to Bill Gates https://www.winnipegfreepress.com/our-communities/east/human-trafficking-must-end-576321662.html

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.winnipegfreepress.com | Human trafficking must end - Winnipeg Free Press

DaemonFC

Fedora's official position went from "We recommend you buy a video card from AMD or Intel so it will just work and won't break down all the time." to "If you use Nvidia, we go out of our way to support it, even when that's impossible and requires clumsy hacks that lead to more bugs.".

DaemonFC

"You have to support it because it's what people are buying!"

bnchs

maybe the linux kernel should make their taint messages more noticable

https://blogs.nvidia.com/blog/2022/03/22/hybrid-quantum-computing-ecosystem/

schestowitz

-altlink_587/#techrights-📣 Cloudflare: nvidia.com | 🙆 Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://blogs.nvidia.com/blog/2022/03/22/hybrid-quantum-computing-ecosystem/

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blogs.nvidia.com | Hybrid Quantum Computing Ecosystem Taps cuQuantum | NVIDIA Blogs

techrights-ipfs-bot

▕ IPFS downstream, 60 mins: ▁▆▁▅▆▄▅▁▄▇▂▂▄▇▂█▅▂▃▇▄▂▃▃▃▃▅▂▇█▅▁▆▁ avg(k/sec) 61.95 ▕ IPFS upstream: ▅▂█▁▄▁▂▁█▁▁▁▁▂██▂▁█▁▃▃▂▁▂▁▂█▁█▂▁ avg(k/sec) 96.60▕ swarm size (avg): 207.11 ⟲

DaemonFC

AMD's cards work fine with Intel CPUs.

DaemonFC

They work perfectly fine with Intel's CPUs.

bnchs

"warning: this module is proprietary, it may cause system instability or other problems."

DaemonFC

So whichever CPU vendor you use, just buy an AMD card and you won't have problems with a graphics driver on GNU/Linux. It will just be there in the Linux kernel and tested for function before each kernel goes out.

techrights-news

"You can also use a Text User Interface (TUI). In fact, you can build gdb — the GNU Debugger — with a built-in TUI mode." https://hackaday.com/2022/03/22/hacked-gdb-dashboard-puts-it-all-on-display/

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Hacked GDB Dashboard Puts It All On Display | Hackaday

DaemonFC

Only if people refuse to purchase things from Nvidia does the problem go away.

DaemonFC

Either they'll open source a driver that works, or they'll as least be financially damaged. Either way it won't be your problem because you no longer depend on them.

schestowitz-TR

most people do not buy nvidia

schestowitz-TR

they buy a pc

schestowitz-TR

the oem puts nvidia in that

bnchs

the OS should warn the user

bnchs

if the user installs proprietary drivers

bnchs

and say "the kernel is not responsible for issues caused by driver"

DaemonFC

AMD CPUs automatically have AMD integrated GPUs the majority of the time. The OEM would have to pay more to license something from Nvidia and therefore usually doesn't.

techrights-news

[Update: Removed for repair] Read as: BS 'reporting' https://9to5google.com/2022/03/22/google-removes-popular-android-statues-from-mountain-view-hq/

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Google removes Android statues from Mountain View HQ - 9to5Google

DaemonFC

With an Intel setup, most of the time it has an Intel integrated GPU.

Mar 24 21:02

DaemonFC

Putting Nvidia in would only cost more, so it doesn't happen unless it's a "gaming laptop".

Mar 24 21:02

bnchs

nvidia is like the microsoft of GPUs

DaemonFC

schestowitz-TR, I've been buying and freezing a bunch of steak, chicken, and ground beef again.

bnchs

they invent their own "standard" (CUDA, and shit)

bnchs

their drivers are proprietary

bnchs

they lock in programs with their "standard"

DaemonFC

Hopefully I can at least get us through the next year or so before we have to worry about price hikes.... (or not being able to get what we want at all).

techrights-news

Linux on the M1 Is Already Beating Apple at Its Own Game http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162909#comment-33182

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Asahi Linux: The Individual User’s Stake in an Apple Silicon World | Tux Machines

DaemonFC

There can be a food shortage in someone else's house.

techrights-news

Project Zero: Racing against the clock -- hitting a tiny kernel race window ⚓ https://googleprojectzero.blogspot.com/2022/03/racing-against-clock-hitting-tiny.html ䷉ Source: gulag projectzero

Mar 24 21:06

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-googleprojectzero.blogspot.com | Project Zero: Racing against the clock -- hitting a tiny kernel race window

Mar 24 21:06

schestowitz-TR

DaemonFC: very hungry people become very violent very fast

Mar 24 21:07

schestowitz-TR

maybe biden will pull another 109 trillion dollars ain loan

Mar 24 21:07

schestowitz-TR

and pass it to waltons

Mar 24 21:07

schestowitz-TR

to 'feed the hungry'

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DaemonFC

Hence gun.

*GNUmoon2 has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s)

schestowitz-TR

to keep the pitchforks aside

immibis

I heard they're planning to pay people to burn more dinosaurs

DaemonFC

Mom has a gun now.

techrights-news

Today’s #HowTos | #UNIX • Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162959

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's howtos | Tux Machines

immibis

DaemonFC: then civilization is already fucked and you're fighting to not be one of the ones who inevitably dies

schestowitz-TR

DaemonFC: sounds like usland is about to invade mexico

schestowitz-TR

for peacekeeping... from drug gangs

DaemonFC

I've installed additional locks on my door so that they give me more time to load my revolver for them.

immibis

nature: "Okay, 2 billion people are going to die. Who's it gonna be?"

DaemonFC

They're going to get something when they break down my door, but it won't be food.

immibis

DaemonFC: will they be black?

DaemonFC

Most likely. That's who lives in this neighborhood.

DaemonFC

It actually keeps rent down byt about a third vs. living anywhere else in this godforsaken country.

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Mar 24 21:10

DaemonFC

Anyone who bothers to be a landlord here knows they can't command high rent.

Mar 24 21:11

DaemonFC

Most black people who live here are broke and the white people who are totally-not-racist Democrats pay more to live somewhere they're not at.

Mar 24 21:11

DaemonFC

I've thought about ditching the car and just dealing with $1,300 a month rent that's across from where Mandy works.

Mar 24 21:12

DaemonFC

When gas cost less I was considering it less.

DaemonFC

schestowitz-TR, They've been blaring ads for an app called getupside on the radio.

DaemonFC

They claim it pays you to use certain gas stations instead of others.

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DaemonFC

Users reviewing it in the Play Store say it's almost impossible to cash out and get your money.

bnchs

lol

DaemonFC

They also say that getupside often doesn't process your receipts because it will say you went to the wrong gas station because the address in the app was wrong by one street number.

bnchs

another shitty scam

bnchs

DUMPED

DaemonFC

They also complain that the app lies about gas prices.

Mar 24 21:15

DaemonFC

It'll say things like "Go to this station and it's $3.99 a gallon right now and we'll give you 11 cents a gallon off.

Mar 24 21:15

DaemonFC

So you drive there and it's actually $4.29, and had you gone to the Shell down the road, it would have been $4.09 that day.

Mar 24 21:15

bnchs

shitty scam

bnchs

dont trust anything that relies on sponsorships

DaemonFC

Yes, "Oh look, an app that pays me to fill up my gas tank!".

DaemonFC

Too good to be true.

DaemonFC

Credit cards often have high gas rewards to draw people to sign up for the card, and you really do get those rewards though.

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Mar 24 21:18

DaemonFC

I think the best I can do is about a 6.5% discount to gasoline.

Mar 24 21:20

DaemonFC

Coming from my credit card rewards, my Murphy gasoline discount, and buying E15 (and adjusting for the small loss of gas mileage).

Mar 24 21:21

activelow

in germany it is more than $10 per gallon (~2.20Euros/liter); before the Ukraine escalation it was ~1.75Euros/liter ~$8/gallon

Mar 24 21:21

DaemonFC

Yes, which is also why there's all those European clown cars.

Mar 24 21:21

DaemonFC

It's always been incredibly expensive there.

DaemonFC

Probably due to taxation. Who knows? I don't know.

DaemonFC

You'd probably know better than me.

activelow

with recent tax-cuts in some European countries price was lowered from $10 back to $8/gallon

DaemonFC

All those "free" social programs.

DaemonFC

How do those work?

DaemonFC

techrights-news

"So yes, as it turned out NetBSD was just running happily on the Pi, but was cut off from the net. After I reset the adapter everything was fine again." gopher://sdfeu.org:70/0/users/glaciurso/phlog/2022-03-24__Sick.md

activelow

and it is both, too expensive in Europe and far to cheap in USA... where most of the "eco" and "climate" quackery is produced

DaemonFC

Oh there's plenty of nuts and fruits in Europe, or from Europe.

schestowitz-TR

it is not quackery

DaemonFC

mjg59_ moved from there to the land of fruits, nuts, and flakes.

DaemonFC

California

activelow

a current discussion over Ukraine is, if energy contracts are negotiated with USD, Euros or Rubles

DaemonFC

Oh it's definitely too expensive in Europe and that's because of bad government policies.

activelow

government policies dictated by USA mainly

DaemonFC

It would be CHEAPER in Illinois if the government would get their goddamned hands out of our pockets.

DaemonFC

They always up the tax and tell us how the roads will be better.

DaemonFC

Years go by. Roads are just as shitty as before.

DaemonFC

Doing all kinds of damage to your car.

DaemonFC

Only now you can't even afford to fix it because the politicians gave people in Chicago more welfare instead of fixing the roads.

DaemonFC

We voted on a Transportation Tax Lock Box in a constitutional referendum.

DaemonFC

It says simply that all transit taxes have to go to roads and transportation infrastructure.

activelow

surprisingly, there is probably contracts with USD involved, in Ukraine; instead of Euros or Rubles

DaemonFC

So then after I vote for it and it passes, the Democrats figured out how to pay for "social justice" projects and call it transportation while the fucking potholes are still there.

DaemonFC

RIGHT THERE!

DaemonFC

Even if Euros were accepted as payment for oil, you would not get much relief.

techrights-news

England (or UK) released latest mortality report today https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1062949/Weekly_report_mortality__W12.pdf last week's: https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1061500/Weekly_report_mortality__W11.pdf

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DaemonFC

Again, it's problems with your government policies that are 90% of the problem here.

DaemonFC

Including taxation and limiting what you can refine and bottlenecking production all around.

DaemonFC

You're about to get it a whole lot worse.

techrights-news

The excess deaths in England and Wales, charted https://www.statista.com/statistics/1131428/excess-deaths-in-england-and-wales/

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DaemonFC

Because now Putin says they won't sell you natural gas or oil except in RUBLES.

DaemonFC

So if you thought having to resort to paying in Dollars for a lot of that was bad, wait until this starts.

activelow

whose policies? the most prominent agitators of high "carbon tax" are "Alliance90/greens", and those are controlled by and minions of USA/Washington/RAND Corp. California Tesla Shareholders

DaemonFC

We've got the same problem brewing here.

DaemonFC

Look at what gas DOES cost in California.

DaemonFC

It's nearly $8 in some places because of liberal nutcases.

activelow

that's why, "carbon certificates" were agitated for, by USA and minions, because Tesla acquired enormous amounts of those certificates by producing economically and ecologically hazardous vehicles

DaemonFC

Elon Musk is full of shit and so are battery cars.

DaemonFC

They lose 57% of their range per charge in an Illinois winter.

DaemonFC

So for more than half the year, you lose 50% of your rated MPGe.

DaemonFC

Woohoo.

activelow

ordinary combustion engine vehicle producers then are _forced_ to acquire those certificates, that's what the "value" of Tesla is (although their cars are shiny, that's not the deal)

techrights-news

"Excess deaths refers to the number of deaths in this week minus average number of deaths in England and Wales for the corresponding week in the previous five years." This means we now use a reference of two years of COVID-19, plus 3 without it. Not a very useful metric.

DaemonFC

WGN did an article on the cost to run an electric car and failed to mention that the MPGe only accounts for warm weather.

Mar 24 21:31

DaemonFC

The whole thing is a scam to prop up an EV industry that would never exist otherwise.

Mar 24 21:31

activelow

it is a scam to funnel cash into "carbon certificates"

Mar 24 21:31

DaemonFC

And in Illinois, they're taxing my fuel and buying these ridiculous EV locomotive engines for Metra.

DaemonFC

Get a load of that shit.

DaemonFC

EV buses, too.

DaemonFC

Which they can never run at scale because there's not enough electricity in the first place, because the Democrats are at war with all kinds of power.

DaemonFC

They're the ULTIMATE BANANA party.

activelow

anyway, seems Ukrainian Oil and Gas are the new "renewable energy" now

DaemonFC

It's not just NIMBY (Not In My Back Yard), it's BANANA.

DaemonFC

Build Absolutely Nothing Anywhere Near Anyone.

techrights-news

As a hypothetical example, if in 2017-2019 we have excess deaths Xx3 and then in 2020 it was X+1000 and in 2021 X+2000, then now X+600 is considered absolutely "normal"...

DaemonFC

So they have us limping by on subsidized nuclear power with another brick through our metaphorical window with ComEd ransom letters every year.

bnchs

why does it always end up being bad when you tell the truth to your therapist

DaemonFC

And they're shutting down pretty much everything but that, except for solar and wind, which are both intermittent.

bnchs

you have to lie to them

Mar 24 21:34

DaemonFC

schestowitz-TR would like ComEd because the corruption is at all levels.

Mar 24 21:34

DaemonFC

They make us subsidize our own "cheap" energy, along with political bribes that our former House Speaker is literally on trial over now....FELONIES.....then the people the guy picked to run ComEd, which they bribed him to install there, spend our money to migrate their computing platform INTO Microsoft Azure.

Mar 24 21:35

DaemonFC

Then everything they steal from us is for a good cause. Microsoft Azure = Lower Carbon Footprint says Communist Edison.

Mar 24 21:36

DaemonFC

The Future Energy Jobs Act created no new jobs and produced no energy.

Mar 24 21:38

DaemonFC

In fact, it shut down three coal plants and gave ComEd another $685 million to keep outdated nuclear plants running longer.

Mar 24 21:38

schestowitz

lots of CPUs https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Intel-In-Field-Scan

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DaemonFC

Indiana had the right idea, at the wrong time.

DaemonFC

They spent a ton of money on a coal-to-gas plant and then never brought it online.

schestowitz

Entire racks https://www.phoronix.com/image-viewer.php?id=2022&image=intel_sandy_alder_lrg

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DaemonFC

If it was running right now, it could take cheap coal, remove the impurities, turn it into natural gas, and pit it in the gas pipes for 30% cheaper than natural gas.

schestowitz

I cannot locate the photos of his second DC or shack with all these goods

schestowitz

"Gifts"

DaemonFC

*put

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schestowitz

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schestowitz

there might be like 1000 CPUs in his home

schestowitz

who's even counting?

DaemonFC

The US has so much coal we could hardly use all of it in the next 200 years if we decided to.

DaemonFC

You can even turn it into gasoline.

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DaemonFC

The Nazis did is with technology that existed in the 1940s.

https://www.phoronix.com/image-viewer.php?id=rosewill-rsv-4310&image=rosewill_rsv4310_1_lrg

schestowitz

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DaemonFC

I'm sure we could manage to do it better now.

DaemonFC

If we wanted to absolutely ruin Russia, we have all of the tools and resources to do that.

Mar 24 21:43

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Mar 24 21:44

DaemonFC

Those filthy Arab countries too.

Mar 24 21:44

DaemonFC

When you have Democrats you get the worst possible outcome.

Mar 24 21:44

DaemonFC

They tell us we can't afford to extract fossil fuels because of the environment, but we keep using more every year anyway, and paying to prop up dictators and other monsters to sell it to us instead.

Mar 24 21:45

bnchs

schestowitz: when AMD sends you tons of CPUs

Mar 24 21:45

bnchs

you gotta have to do a favor for them

DaemonFC

At least AMD keeps people on after they turn 40.

schestowitz

Getting closer https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Server-Room-More-Storage

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schestowitz

there is a second room IIRC

DaemonFC

Instead of wanting a fresh crop of idiots who work cheap and produce the buggiest chips ever.

bnchs

more room

bnchs

hmmm

bnchs

did he have to demolish a wall for that

DaemonFC

Intel is like Microsoft. They panic because they've fucked shit up and start an "acquisition binge".

schestowitz

6 years ago https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=linux-room-one&num=4

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DaemonFC

Overpaying for things that they'll either shut down to stop competition or won't utilize efficiently.

DaemonFC

The Simpsons had an episode in the early 90s that's still absolutely Microsoft today.

Mar 24 21:48

schestowitz

Michael on the right https://www.phoronix.com/image-viewer.php?id=0x2011&image=xdc_2012day1_5_lrg

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DaemonFC

Bill Gates hears that Homer started a dotcom company and swoops in to buy it and smash up all of the computer equipment in Homer's house even not understanding what the company actually does.

DaemonFC

Their job isn't to acquire things and improve Microsoft.

schestowitz

btw, to clarify

schestowitz

this isn't about the hoarding

DaemonFC

It's to suck the oxygen out of the room so you have to use their products even if they're much worse.

schestowitz

but about the excess gifting

schestowitz

which then results in covert marketing

schestowitz-TR

I'm sure I saw some photos before that I cannot find anymore

DaemonFC

I figure the "chicken shortage" is probably a self-fulfilling prophesy, or they hope it becomes one.

schestowitz-TR

not that they were removed

DaemonFC

The thing they did, schestowitz-TR ....

schestowitz-TR

I just don't know how to refine the search

DaemonFC

Walmart no longer carries much of their generic chicken anymore.

DaemonFC

But is overflowing with Tyson and Perdue.

DaemonFC

Which is essentially price fixing by way of forcing anyone who wants chicken onto the expensive brand.

DaemonFC

I've cooked with both Walmart's brand "freshness guaranteed" and with Tyson and Perdue (when I can find it on markdown), and there's no meaningful quality difference in the food I make that I can discern.

Mar 24 21:52

DaemonFC

The Tyson and Perdue labels just mean you'll be paying another $1.50 per pound for that chicken.

Mar 24 21:53

DaemonFC

In fact, they owe me class action money still for a chicken price fixing lawsuit they settled last year.

Mar 24 21:53

DaemonFC

If you go to every store and the price is exactly the same or never varies by more than a few cents, you've got price fixing.

Mar 24 21:54

DaemonFC

One thing Walmart does to make their chicken look less expensive than the same brand at Jewel or Kroger, is Jewel and Kroger charge you for the chicken and tare their scale to disregard the package weight.

Mar 24 21:55

DaemonFC

Walmart throws in the weight of the package and charges you a lower unit price.

Mar 24 21:55

DaemonFC

In the end, the price you pay for the chicken in the package is roughly the same.

Mar 24 21:55

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Mar 24 22:04

schestowitz

btw

schestowitz

just did some surveying of twitter

schestowitz

after 3 weeks

schestowitz

posted nothing

schestowitz

just looked around

schestowitz

it's becoming very dead

schestowitz

people whom I know that got like 10 "likes" per tweet years ago are now at 0 or 1

schestowitz

sometimes 2

schestowitz

the engagement (what they call it) is down sharply

schestowitz

I hope participation in FB, Twitter, and all these censorship hubs will go down to zero

https://hugelolcdn.com/i/818188.jpg

schestowitz

people might even find out what the Internet really is

Mar 24 22:10

schestowitz

Apple Mac LOL https://www.phoronix.com/image-viewer.php?id=0x2011&image=xds2012_nue_mass_lrg

Mar 24 22:11

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MinceR

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schestowitz

Is that Keith Packard? https://www.phoronix.com/image-viewer.php?id=0x2011&image=xds2012_nue_prost_lrg

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DaemonFC

Twitter is a dead platform.

DaemonFC

It's full of politicians and corporate PR shit.

DaemonFC

It's totally meaningless now.

https://www.phoronix.com/image-viewer.php?id=0x2011&image=belgium_brussels_fosdem3_lrg

schestowitz

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schestowitz-TR

celebs and politicians

schestowitz-TR

the trouble is,

DaemonFC

They spent years letting Trump break all of their rules and even call for people to be murdered because he drove "engagement".

schestowitz-TR

twitter traffic is down

schestowitz-TR

and twitter channels what's left to high-propfile people

schestowitz-TR

who make twitter seem like it's a busy hub

schestowitz-TR

it does so at the expense of ordinary longtime users

schestowitz-TR

who twitter diverts attention away from

DaemonFC

I don't know exactly how I'll be voting in the upcoming elections.

schestowitz-TR

it's more profitable this way

schestowitz-TR

like TikTok getting caught banning ugly people

DaemonFC

I was considering one of the Republicans because he was on the Metra board of directors and opposed some corrupt CEOs.

DaemonFC

But then I did some digging and he's also being propped up by some anti-gay marriage PAC.

DaemonFC

I have no idea what they think he can accomplish as the governor of Illinois on that front.

DaemonFC

Probably just hoping he can get away with any sort of harassment the platform brings them.

Mar 24 22:16

DaemonFC

Metra should have been reformed years ago.

Mar 24 22:16

DaemonFC

They need new equipment, but have no money because they kept fares down for so long.

Mar 24 22:16

DaemonFC

And they need to modernize ticketing to make fare evasion much harder to raise money for expenses.

Mar 24 22:17

DaemonFC

People get away with fare evasion, especially on the lines managed by Union Pacific, because UP doesn't want the contract anymore and they figure if they can bleed Metra like a stuck pig by not checking tickets, Metra will stop fighting them in court.

Mar 24 22:17

activelow

gay marriage is a private matter, which politicians or government have no authority over to interfere either supporting or denying it, it's none of their business, to begin with

Mar 24 22:19

MinceR

putler disagrees

Mar 24 22:20

activelow

too many political supporters of gay marriage peddle with private affairs, which are none of their concerns

Mar 24 22:21

activelow

and I remember a documentary broadcasted by Russia Today, some transgender and gay issues, and it wasn't offensive at all

schestowitz-TR

just got good news

DaemonFC

If the government is the one that licenses marriage, then it should be available to all consenting adults on the same terms.

schestowitz-TR

from EPO

schestowitz-TR

the strike was very effective

DaemonFC

I think you'd be nuts to try to manage a polygamous marriage, but if I was making the laws it wouldn't be illegal.

MinceR

marriage is not the state's business

MinceR

they should stay the fuck out of it

DaemonFC

Like everything, they manipulate you using it.

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DaemonFC

They act like it's a right that only exists within their laws.

DaemonFC

Nothing offends the government more than the concept of the natural rights of man.

Mar 24 22:24

MinceR

they also try to manipulate people into marrying, typically using the tax system

Mar 24 22:24

DaemonFC

Yes, absolutely!

Mar 24 22:24

DaemonFC

I pointed out we would have paid 93 times as much in federal income tax if we were single for the most recent year.

DaemonFC

My dad says "You're not really married. You're just taking advantage of a system that was designed for real married couples to make it easier to have children.".

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bnchs

i dont get marriage at all

DaemonFC

I said, "You've been married to Jan for over 20 years, no children, and I doubt you're filing separately on taxes."

bnchs

do you need to sign legal papers for friendship aswell?

DaemonFC

He's barking up the wrong tree.

DaemonFC

Like I don't have anything to fire back with.

DaemonFC

What the hell is his marriage for, under his own "definition", if he doesn't have kids from it and his wife was NEVER capable of having kids and is in her late 60s as well now?

DaemonFC

As far as not being able to have kids goes, his marriage is either as legitimate or illegitimate as a same-sex marriage.

activelow

DaemonFC: children have a right to grow up inside families, with both their mother _and_ their father

DaemonFC

<activelow> DaemonFC: children have a right to grow up inside families, with both their mother _and_ their father

DaemonFC

My parents also violated that, if you consider it to be a right that I had.

Mar 24 22:28

DaemonFC

They divorced when I was 15, and when my brother was 6.

Mar 24 22:28

activelow

that's why, i am sceptical, about some feminist ideals of same-sex marriage, where fathers are absent

Mar 24 22:28

DaemonFC

Then if that's not bad enough, neither one of them wanted to deal with my brother and sent him away to live with my grandmother.

*activelow grew up without father too

DaemonFC

While he went off to go pork Jan and mom was with Gonad the Barbarian.

DaemonFC

Dad pretty much just left me in the house alone for weeks on end.

DaemonFC

Totally ignored.

DaemonFC

The upside, I guess, was he wasn't there.

DaemonFC

So I just did whatever I wanted. He left me with money to go grocery shopping and I mean, I got away with a bunch of things an unsupervised teenager would obviously do.

Mar 24 22:30

DaemonFC

Invite people over for sex? Why not. Order cigars off the Internet? Go for it. Dad won't be home when the mail gets there.

Mar 24 22:31

DaemonFC

For about 2 years, I was left to raise myself.

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DaemonFC

The truancy officer was threatening my parents with being hauled before a judge because I wasn't in school when I was 15.

DaemonFC

Neither of them would enforce me going to school.

DaemonFC

So the second I turned 16, my mom and dad were at the door of the local high school to sign papers to make it legal for me to drop out of high school.

Mar 24 22:33

DaemonFC

Then I just went and got my GED instead. It wasn't difficult. Lots of people study for it. They have big books for it and everything. I didn't even learn a lot of what was on the test in school. I just went in there and took it and only missed a few questions along the way. They give you 2.5 hours per half, and each night I was done in 20 minutes or so and asked to use the phone so I could get a ride home.

Mar 24 22:35

DaemonFC

That was always kind of my attitude about K-12 education.

Mar 24 22:35

DaemonFC

"OMFG THIS IS BORING! I KNOW THIS ALREADY! KILL ME! PLEASE KILL ME!!!!"

Mar 24 22:36

DaemonFC

That and the bullying. Lots of bullying going on there.

Mar 24 22:36

DaemonFC

The only reason there are 12 grades in school (plus Kindergarten too, if you count it) is because they slow everything down due to the retards in the back of the class.

Mar 24 22:37

DaemonFC

And then you're lucky if they cover half the book by the end of the year.

Mar 24 22:37

DaemonFC

Then if you're still too retarded, they have a special class for retards that can't get a D in the normal class.

Mar 24 22:38

schestowitz-TR

can you reead draft?

Mar 24 22:38

DaemonFC

This is why people who care about their kids and want them to succeed don't act like my dad did.

Mar 24 22:38

DaemonFC

"I PAY TAXES FOR IT SO YOU'RE GOING THERE, DAMMIT!"

DaemonFC

They put their kids in private schools.

DaemonFC

And that's why we need school choice vouchers.

DaemonFC

1. To break corrupt public unions like Chicago Teachers Union. 2. So the kids who want to learn have a fighting chance.

DaemonFC

<schestowitz-TR> can you reead draft?

DaemonFC

Yeah

http://techrights.org/2022/03/24/epo-fake-patents-plunge-in-number/

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DaemonFC

Public school is what you get when you give education to the government.

DaemonFC

The government doesn't want the people going there to be smart enough to see that they're surrounded by bullshit.

DaemonFC

So it educates them, but only to a certain point.

DaemonFC

"Highest result"

Mar 24 22:41

DaemonFC

Do you mean "Lowest"?

Mar 24 22:41

schestowitz-TR

i will calarify

Mar 24 22:42

MinceR

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DaemonFC

"surveyed stuff"

DaemonFC

staff?

DaemonFC

Although, people are stuff, that's a little rude to call them that.

DaemonFC

schestowitz-TR

yes, saw and ciorected that since

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Mar 24 22:47

DaemonFC

"Orsk, a Russian warship, was recently featured as part of a lengthy news report on the pro-Putin international TV network, RT. The next day the ship exploded in Ukraine.

DaemonFC

The television piece opens with drone video looking down on the Orsk as the reporter mentions the vessel by name. As the camera shows an armored personnel carrier being slowly lifted off the ship, the reporter declares, “This is a unique sight: a Russian naval armada at a port which Ukrainian troops had abandoned without a fight, leaving its facilities entirely intact.”

DaemonFC

Later, standing on deck, the reporter reveals some of the ship’s weaponry, including two large naval guns, before going on to detail the ship’s main function as a landing vessel. "

DaemonFC

DaemonFC

Two other Russian ships were heavily damaged as well.

DaemonFC

Potentially beyond repair.

DaemonFC

But the fact that the Orsk was featured on RT the day before being blown up by "Ukrainian forces that abandoned the port without a fight" (RT) was hilarious.

Mar 24 22:51

DaemonFC

I'm certain that unless the Russians have VPNs and read that the Orsk was blown up, there will certainly be nobody telling them about it.

Mar 24 22:52

DaemonFC

XRevan86, ^ :)

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Mar 24 22:53

DaemonFC

Okay, RT seems to be in Third Gear of bullshit now.

Mar 24 22:54

DaemonFC

They're targeting readers on their English language site with anti-American propaganda.

Mar 24 22:54

DaemonFC

First it was mostly just lies about how their war was going.

Mar 24 22:55

DaemonFC

Now they barely talk about the war and start talking about how messed up America supposedly is. Maybe it's for their own sake.

Mar 24 22:55

DaemonFC

The average Russian has been on a declining standard of living since the USSR fell apart, and it wasn't that great to begin with.

Mar 24 22:56

DaemonFC

The average Russian man is lucky to make it much past 60.

Mar 24 22:56

DaemonFC

Here, you're usually planning to be around for 20 or 30 more years at that point.

Mar 24 22:56

DaemonFC

schestowitz-TR, I started taking blood pressure medicine a couple of days ago.

schestowitz-TR

at age 38?

DaemonFC

I went to the doctor because it started regularly running too high, and I took care of the problem.

DaemonFC

Oh, John's was so high he was on it at 20.

DaemonFC

I took him to the doctor to get on it because he let it run sky high and then got nose bleeds.

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DaemonFC

So when we got the blood pressure under control, I took him to another doctor and had them cauterize the artery so it wouldn't bleed.

DaemonFC

It told him if he came off the blood pressure medicine then he would be doing kidney damage and most likely stroke out by the time he was my age, and that the nose bleeds would come back.

DaemonFC

A few months in he stopped taking it.

DaemonFC

Nose bleeds came right back.

DaemonFC

schestowitz-TR, Yeah, I'm on a different type of medication than John or my mother or father or brother are on.

DaemonFC

It's a newer one with fewer side effects.

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DaemonFC

Well, John _was on_, rather.

DaemonFC

I keep trying to fix people who don't seem to actually appreciate the help.

DaemonFC

You'd think not wanting your heart to explode would be incentive enough to fill a cheap generic medicine.

DaemonFC

But nooooooooo.

DaemonFC

An ex of mine had a stroke at 35.

DaemonFC

35!

DaemonFC

He smokes though.

DaemonFC

That never helps anything.

schestowitz-TR

you smoked also

DaemonFC

A little bit. Not like that.

DaemonFC

Smoking is all kinds of bad for the heart.

Mar 24 23:03

DaemonFC

So I'm sure it played a role in him having a stroke.

Mar 24 23:03

DaemonFC

It raises your bad cholesterol, destroys the good cholesterol, increases triglycerides, and increases blood pressure directly.

Mar 24 23:03

DaemonFC

For some people they can solve their high blood pressure entirely just by quitting cigarettes. It's the only reason it's high.

Mar 24 23:04

DaemonFC

For others, the cigarettes certainly make it worse.

Mar 24 23:04

DaemonFC

The doctor started me on Irbesartan.

Mar 24 23:05

DaemonFC

I had not heard of it before because a lot of the doctors still like to use lisinopril.

Mar 24 23:05

DaemonFC

Lisinopril is much more likely to cause you to faint.

Mar 24 23:06

DaemonFC

My dad was on it when he was my age. It was brand-only then, called Zestril.

Mar 24 23:06

DaemonFC

And Dr. Botkin put him on it.

Mar 24 23:06

DaemonFC

I remember my dad passing out a couple of times because he stood up too fast.

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DaemonFC

schestowitz-TR, It also caused him to pass out on roller coasters.

DaemonFC

But he still went on them.

schestowitz-TR

He feltOK

DaemonFC

The medications work by relaxing your blood vessels, so anything that causes a sudden large change in blood pressure can cause fainting.

DaemonFC

Or lightheadedness.

DaemonFC

schestowitz-TR, Yes, you mentioned Ahnuld.

DaemonFC

And how he was alive only because medicine gave him years back that he squandered.

DaemonFC

With the steroids and the cigars.

DaemonFC

My dad is alive because medicine gave him years back that he took from himself by smoking and having a really shitty diet.

DaemonFC

Same with grandma, and mom, and my brother.

DaemonFC

And me too I suppose, at some point.

Mar 24 23:10

DaemonFC

The body is capable of self-repair to an extent, but putting unnecessary stress on it isn't a great idea.

Mar 24 23:10

DaemonFC

One reason why people who get their vaccines live longer, statistically, is because being sick with vaccine-preventable illnesses are very hard on you.

Mar 24 23:11

DaemonFC

Even the flu.

Mar 24 23:11

DaemonFC

All of that inflammation just from the flu can mean the difference between getting and not getting dementia (or getting dementia earlier or more severe) later in life.

DaemonFC

The damage is cumulative.

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DaemonFC

The Alzheimer's Foundation recommends getting your flu shots.

DaemonFC

But mom won't hear any of it.

DaemonFC

She's convinced the vaccine causes dementia.

DaemonFC

Even though we have stats on groups that do get the flu shots, and those that don't. Observational studies, right?

DaemonFC

And there's a sharp difference, in favor, of the group that got their flu shots.

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DaemonFC

Modern medicine is terrific. I wish that more people could afford it.

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DaemonFC

Obamacare has driven out people who could previously pay cash to see their doctor and fill their maintenance meds. Forced them to buy junk insurance that doesn't kick in until they've spent $9,000 that year.

DaemonFC

Although that's a lot easier when medication costs have more than tripled, and seeing the doctor is 12 times more expensive.

Mar 24 23:15

DaemonFC

On balance, it's damaged people more than it is worth, by a factor of at least 10.

Mar 24 23:15

DaemonFC

Health Insurance companies are not "healthcare" they don't provide anything.

Mar 24 23:16

DaemonFC

They take in a dollar, pay out about 60 cents in "healthcare" telling you what you're allowed to have.

Mar 24 23:16

DaemonFC

The top line discounts are from forming an illegal cartel with hospitals and doctors groups to bill an insane fake price, and only give discounts to people with "insurance".

Mar 24 23:16

DaemonFC

This isn't much less corrupt than the mafia selling you "fire insurance".

Mar 24 23:17

DaemonFC

If you have no insurance, they'll ruin your "credit rating".....blackmail.

Mar 24 23:17

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Mar 24 23:18

DaemonFC

And potentially the only way to preclude a lawsuit would be to negotiate to pay 40-50% of the amount to the collection agency to keep it out of court.

Mar 24 23:18

DaemonFC

The Democrats have been worse on healthcare than the Republicans ever were.

Mar 24 23:18

DaemonFC

At least when the Republicans let everyone fend for themselves, the doctors had to charge less because otherwise they couldn't get the business to fill all of their time slots.

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DaemonFC

MinceR is right about the Democrats. He gets what's happening here.

DaemonFC

Their goal is to obviously destroy their party by ruining people with "help" they didn't need and "taxes" they can't afford, and to make them so pissed off by saying they are all "entitled and privileged" for being white and living in the ghetto.

Mar 24 23:20

MinceR

i don't remember saying that

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Mar 24 23:22

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Mar 24 23:24

DaemonFC

<MinceR> i don't remember saying that

Mar 24 23:31

DaemonFC

Might have been SJWs.

Mar 24 23:31

DaemonFC

They're letting all of the fake SJWs like Matt Gulag have a "voice".

Mar 24 23:31

DaemonFC

He can richsplain and whitesplain to black people why they're suffering.

Mar 24 23:32

DaemonFC

While he, a rich white man, who has to send Roy hate mail, sees no irony.

Mar 24 23:32

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