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schestowitzHow to fix The system cannot find the file specified error on Windows 10May 26 00:00
schestowitz1. Restart your computerMay 26 00:00
schestowitzLOLMay 26 00:00
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-TechrightsBot-tr/ | FIXED: The System Cannot Find the File Specified (Error)May 26 00:00
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-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Community meeting on the future of our IRC presence — Free Software Foundation — Working together for free softwareMay 26 00:01
CrystalMathschestowitz: i'll be there, supporting freenodeMay 26 00:01
alextee[m]"folks"May 26 00:01
alextee[m]i don't really trust the fsf staff, i think most of them are sjwsMay 26 00:02
schestowitzbut that is all I can see in my feeds about IRCMay 26 00:02
schestowitzCrystalMath: good!May 26 00:02
schestowitzexplain what the 'scandal' is aboutMay 26 00:02
CrystalMathcan you give me a concise way to say it?May 26 00:02
schestowitzCrystalMath: PIA was TOP sponsor of FSF last yearMay 26 00:02
schestowitz50,000 dollarMay 26 00:02
schestowitz*dollarsMay 26 00:03
schestowitzand more than any GAFAM companyMay 26 00:03
schestowitzIN SPITE of the anti-RMS campaignMay 26 00:03
CrystalMathright, i should take notes about what to sayMay 26 00:03
schestowitzthat's one member of staffMay 26 00:03
schestowitz$50,000May 26 00:03
schestowitzwhere was IBM?May 26 00:03
schestowitzAttacking FSFMay 26 00:03
schestowitzorganising petitionsMay 26 00:03
schestowitzwith its staffMay 26 00:03
schestowitzand front groupsMay 26 00:03
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-TechrightsBot-tr/ | FSF patrons during fiscal year 2020 — Free Software Foundation — Working together for free softwareMay 26 00:04
schestowitzPIA at the topMay 26 00:04
schestowitzonly oneMay 26 00:04
schestowitzno IBM, no Google, no HP...May 26 00:04
schestowitzPIA has debtMay 26 00:04
Sophist_UKRoy, I think it is fair to say that there has been a lot of emotion clouding people's judgements. A lot of them had invested a big chunk of their lives into it, and they felt (rightly or wrongly) under attack. Hence some of the emoptive language being used. Whilst crude language doesn't help, it is perhaps understandable. I don't think that is the crux of the issue either and somewhat May 26 00:04
Sophist_UKprudish to stress this so negatively in your article.May 26 00:04
MinceRand where were jose, amdj and RichiH? they were trying to cancel RMS so that IBM and microsoft could take overMay 26 00:05
schestowitzFSF probably wrote the above because of passive-aggressive trollsMay 26 00:05
schestowitzwho says things like, "HOW CAN WE FEEL SAFE!!!!"May 26 00:05
Sophist_UKThe issue is really about trust. And right now I don't know who to trust.May 26 00:05
schestowitzthe same who bullied RMS into CoCMay 26 00:05
schestowitzwhich he never surrendered toMay 26 00:05
schestowitzhe told me the kind comms thing is NOT a CoCMay 26 00:05
schestowitznext they'll tell FSF that a boycott is in order unless they start removing "racist" terms like masterMay 26 00:06
schestowitzuntil they surrenderMay 26 00:06
schestowitzMinceR: +1May 26 00:06
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-TechrightsBot-tr/ | The Biggest Troll is the Linux Foundation, Still Looking to Provoke and Defame Free Software Communities in Order to Help a Monopolistic Takeover and to Shoehorn Tyrants Into Leadership Positions | TechrightsMay 26 00:07
schestowitzCrystalMath: I support staying in this network until I see a REAL scandalMay 26 00:07
Sophist_UKTrouble is, when I read what some people are saying here e.g. about RMS, it feels pretty much like the emotive, one-sided rants that the freenode folks have been accused of.May 26 00:07
schestowitzyou can tell #fsf thatMay 26 00:07
schestowitzSophist_UK: there are divisive forcesMay 26 00:08
schestowitzwe do NOT try to divide on thisMay 26 00:08
schestowitzau contraire, since 3 weeks ago we've been trying to defuse thisMay 26 00:08
Sophist_UKRoy - that sounds like conspiracy theory talk "divisive forces"May 26 00:08
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-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Comment on the Open Letter to Remove RMS, Based on the GNU Kind Communications Guidelines | TechrightsMay 26 00:09
Sophist_UKOK let's check some facts:May 26 00:09
schestowitzwe know who does the dividing 26 00:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Professional Troll Matthew Garrett Spreads Libel, Defamation and Slander About the Free Software Community to Entertain Microsoft and Friends | TechrightsMay 26 00:09
Sophist_UK1. Did Andrew Lee take over someone else's channel without due process? Yes or no.May 26 00:09
CrystalMathSophist_UK: libera didMay 26 00:09
CrystalMathmanyMay 26 00:09
XRevan86CrystalMath: "without due process"May 26 00:09
Sophist_UKEvidence please?May 26 00:09
Sophist_UKBut I asked about Andrew Lee doing so?May 26 00:10
Sophist_UKBecause that has been claimed.May 26 00:10
schestowitzI wrote about the IRC thing almost 3 weeks ago 26 00:10
CrystalMathSophist_UK: how in the world do you expect me to provide it? i owned a channel and they just took it because i forwarded to freenodeMay 26 00:10
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CrystalMathSophist_UK: but i'm far from the only oneMay 26 00:10
schestowitztomaw and his "posse" (what my source calls it) were canceling pro-RMS peopleMay 26 00:10
XRevan86Sophist_UK: They took his channels because he restricted access to them and redirected to Freenode.May 26 00:10
CrystalMathcorrect ^May 26 00:11
Sophist_UKCrystalMath: That sounds exactly like what AL was accused of.May 26 00:11
Sophist_UKfor ##hnsomething.May 26 00:11
CrystalMathi don't lie about the purpose, i wanted to prevent the community from splitting, however...May 26 00:11
CrystalMathafter chatting about it on #libera there i have decided that both networks should be allowed to do thisMay 26 00:11
XRevan86Sophist_UK: ##hntop, and not exactly – the access was not restricted there.May 26 00:11
CrystalMathwhy prevent discussions and hold channel names?May 26 00:12
CrystalMathit's aggressiveMay 26 00:12
CrystalMathSophist_UK: so i do not blame the libera staff for this, i just don't want them to be able to be hypocrites about itMay 26 00:12
XRevan86it is *now* against the freenode policy to abandon channels directing to different networksMay 26 00:12
CrystalMathXRevan86: that's a draft, but yeah that is greatMay 26 00:12
Sophist_UKIf there is one thing I loathe it is hypocrisy.May 26 00:12
alextee[m]from what i gather so far the problem is caused by ariadne or whatever that person is called. how did a company form and how/why did she sell it?May 26 00:13
CrystalMathSophist_UK: i believe now that both networks should take channels if they're just locked down to move to a different networkMay 26 00:13
CrystalMathalextee[m]: not ariadne! :PMay 26 00:13
alextee[m]i haven't seen clarity on this ^May 26 00:13
CrystalMathalextee[m]: it was Christel you mean?May 26 00:13
techrights-botSo many "reviews" I see in so-called 'news' sites are nowadays pure spam, ads. This isn't a new problem, but as news sites and journalism perish almost all "reviews" are fake and paid-for junk. #www is a garbage dump of advertisers.May 26 00:13
CrystalMathalextee[m]: Ariadne didn't own freenodeMay 26 00:13
CrystalMathAriadne owns Techrights infrastructure thoughMay 26 00:13
alextee[m]and how did that company suddenly become an owner of the  domain?May 26 00:13
stormchaser3000I don't quite comprehend why anyone has a problem with a channel being taken over and removed if it is just a redirect to another network.May 26 00:14
XRevan86Sophist_UK: Whose? Libera for taking channels and supporting bashing freenode for taking channels or Freenode's for taking channels and then retroactively make a policy for that with any apologies?May 26 00:14
CrystalMathalextee[m]: the domain always had an ownerMay 26 00:14
Sophist_UKCrystalMath: really? So if I am running a FOSS project and I decide to close a channel on Libera or Freenode and move to the other, it is OK for one of the ops to reopen it in competition to my official community even though I am trying to move the community elsewhere? Or is this just for a class of channel?May 26 00:14
CrystalMathstormchaser3000: you are rightMay 26 00:14
stormchaser3000not to be rude of course, but to me it would just be common sense that a network should be allowed to do thatMay 26 00:15
XRevan86alextee[m]: Ye confused Ariadne and ChristelMay 26 00:15
CrystalMathSophist_UK: ah we're not talking about # channels, you can't take over a # channel unless you are involved with the projectMay 26 00:15
alextee[m]right, sorry I'm not familiar with the namesMay 26 00:15
stormchaser3000Sophist_UK: there are other ways to notify a userbase that there was an IRC network changeMay 26 00:15
CrystalMathSophist_UK: read the policy, even the draftMay 26 00:15
stormchaser3000if the project has a website, they could announce it on the index pageMay 26 00:15
XRevan86and yea, before Christel transferred the domain to Freenode, Ltd. it was a Head of Staff that had the domain in ownership.May 26 00:15
CrystalMathXRevan86: but still a name was there in the owners listMay 26 00:15
Sophist_UKI have read the policy.May 26 00:16
alextee[m]so how did ownership go from head of staff to freenode ltd?May 26 00:16
stormchaser3000such a change may also be announced via an RSS feed and through press releasesMay 26 00:16
alextee[m]this is what I'm not understandingMay 26 00:16
CrystalMathSophist_UK: so you have to be involved with the project to hold the #May 26 00:16
XRevan86alextee[m]: Because Christel transferred did.May 26 00:16
Sophist_UKOk. I guess I can agree about ##channels.May 26 00:16
CrystalMathSophist_UK: i imagine that if you're involved with a project and the rest of the project doesn't want freenode, and you take the freenode channel to split the community, you'll be removed from the project :PMay 26 00:16
alextee[m]so it's in andrew's control now rightfullyMay 26 00:16
CrystalMathSophist_UK: and then you will no longer qualify to hold the #May 26 00:17
XRevan86s/did/it/May 26 00:17
techrights-botPresumption that #patents are invalid, by default, would be well overdue. Your #patent is worthless until properly proven in a court of law. #swpatsMay 26 00:17
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Sophist_UKalextee[m]: Rightfully is a very black/white word.May 26 00:17
alextee[m]what else did the company own? I mean if it's explicitly in a contract somewhere that freenode inc has ownership of all this stuff then the freenode staff can't really complainMay 26 00:17
CrystalMathSophist_UK: the trouble is some people see fit to shut down freenode channels without asking other contributorsMay 26 00:17
alextee[m]Sophist_UK: i mean "legally" thenMay 26 00:17
XRevan86alextee[m]: And she was also a member of the Board.May 26 00:17
Sophist_UKalextee[m]: Legally is not at all the same as rightfully.May 26 00:17
XRevan86 Andrew shared this screenshot earlier.May 26 00:18
CrystalMathSophist_UK: and rightfully, freenode was never a collectively owned kolkhozMay 26 00:18
XRevan86alextee[m]: No one knows what's in the contract.May 26 00:18
CrystalMaththat's just in the minds of the now-libera staffMay 26 00:18
stormchaser3000well, I am going to duck out for this conversation. When a consensus/agreement has been reached, someone please send me a PMMay 26 00:18
techrights-botCorrupt #EPO lets people monopolise #cannabis stuff; who invented cannabis? Can we invent and #patent 'God' too? Or patent Mother Nature? 26 00:18
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baronhk[m]I hope a Debian 11 Live with Firmware ISO shows up shortly.May 26 00:19
XRevan86stormchaser3000: Ha-ha, good luck waiting for consensus.May 26 00:19
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baronhk[m]I'm sure that if I used to fork the kernel and run my own modified versions I can figure this out.May 26 00:19
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Sophist_UKLegally, Christel owned the domain name. Morally, she was holding it in trust for the community. Inbetween is a gray area depending on what promises she made about her role and and whether they were in writing. Then she transferred it to a SPV Ltd co. and sold it to Andrew Lee. I doubt very much that this was morally right. So "rightfully" is a lot harder to determine than legality.May 26 00:21
schestowitzbaronhk[m]: firmware?May 26 00:21
alextee[m]so basically christel sold the freenode assets to andrew, who then took control of what is legally his through his company. the one who is at fault here is either the freenode staff for complaining about this or christle who sold it in the first placeMay 26 00:21
schestowitzwho owned 'freenode'?May 26 00:22
XRevan86I mean, the legality's pre-determined as no one is going to court over this.May 26 00:22
Sophist_UKI don't see how the freenode staff complaining puts them "at fault".May 26 00:22
schestowitzhowever you define it...May 26 00:22
schestowitzfreenode limited?May 26 00:22
MinceR26 011053 <@schestowitz> tomaw and his "posse" (what my source calls it) were canceling pro-RMS peopleMay 26 00:22 ?May 26 00:22
MinceRis there an article on this?May 26 00:22
schestowitzMinceR: yesMay 26 00:22
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schestowitzI redacted namesMay 26 00:23
MinceRoh, that's why i couldn't find iMay 26 00:23
MinceRs,i,it/them,May 26 00:23
Sophist_UKXRevan86: No - just because they don't have the money or emotional reserves to go to court doesn't prove it was legal - it just means that the default presumption of legality is not going to be challenged.May 26 00:23
schestowitzthat was well before the shitstormMay 26 00:23
schestowitzif they cannot compete, they use fake moralityMay 26 00:23
schestowitzand then say what they try to replace is "dirty" and "racist" and "unsafe" and "trumpisn"May 26 00:23
schestowitz"trumpianMay 26 00:24
XRevan86Sophist_UK: Well, the only room here is whether what Christel did was legal.May 26 00:24
Sophist_UKNo - that is not the only room.May 26 00:24
XRevan86and we don't even know what exactly she soldMay 26 00:24
alextee[m]<XRevan86 "and we don't even know what exac"> that's probably the most important missing pieceMay 26 00:24
Sophist_UKBut they are not mounting a legal challenge, so it is reasonable to conclude that AL has legal title to the domain name.May 26 00:24
alextee[m]to this storyMay 26 00:24
XRevan86as Freenode didn't exactly have any assets other than the newly created company, a person and some domains.May 26 00:25
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MinceReven if Christel sold what is claimed she sold, this could have been handled differentlyMay 26 00:25
Sophist_UKI have read nothing that talks about whether legal title to the servers, the software that runs on them or the data was held by Freenode Ltd. Just the domain name.May 26 00:25
XRevan86MinceR: I think everyone can agree on that.May 26 00:25
schestowitz13.5 years soon 26 00:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | 13 Years of Our IRC Channels | TechrightsMay 26 00:26
MinceRpeople go around claiming that freenode ltd. owns nothing more than the domain nameMay 26 00:26
MinceRbut if that's the case, why didn't the opers just buy a new domain and move to that?May 26 00:26
XRevan86Sophist_UK: It was all run by volunteers, so they just did what they wanted, I don't think the company had any hold on that.May 26 00:26
Sophist_UKI think that you can pick any topic in history ever, and say that things could have been handled differently.May 26 00:26
alextee[m]MinceR: the moment you give control of something to someone else you can't really complain if they abuse itMay 26 00:26
alextee[m]you shouldn't give up that control in the first placeMay 26 00:26
MinceRindeedMay 26 00:26
alextee[m](unless the abuse is illegal, which is not in this case from what I can see)May 26 00:27
alextee[m]I don't think andrew is at fault but I moved to because I don't want a for-profit entity in control of my communicationsMay 26 00:27
XRevan86MinceR: Imagine if ye have an email server and ye need a new domain nameMay 26 00:27
Sophist_UKYes - the "staff" were volunteers. May 26 00:27
XRevan86MinceR: Ye can practically just start anew.May 26 00:27
MinceRXRevan86: not reallyMay 26 00:27
MinceRXRevan86: they have a bunch of servers provided by sponsors, they allegedly have a staff, they have a websiteMay 26 00:27
Sophist_UKAnd it may well be that they were too close to the coal face and resistant to change etc.May 26 00:28
MinceRthey have a lot of configuration done which would not need much of a changeMay 26 00:28
XRevan86MinceR: Servers is a thing… since there were no contracts the sponsors themselves could disagree to whom they donated the servers.May 26 00:28
CrystalMathSophist_UK: these people constantly threatened with splitting freenode if the will of their kolkhoz is not doneMay 26 00:28
MinceRindeedMay 26 00:28
MinceRyet liberans keep implying they'll easily get them "back"May 26 00:29
MinceRwe'll seeMay 26 00:29
Sophist_UKAll I have heard is that Freenode Ltd owned the domain name. I have no idea what other things to do with the IRC network (servers, software, data) were owned by Freenode Ltd or not.May 26 00:29
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XRevan86MinceR: The server stats on look like they do.May 26 00:29
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MinceRi don't think it was stated to whom the sponsors donated the servers -- could be to freenode ltd.May 26 00:29
Sophist_UKObviously the domain name is pretty important to running the rest.May 26 00:29
MinceRin which case many people lied :>May 26 00:29
MinceRthe domain name can be replacedMay 26 00:30
XRevan86Sophist_UK: Servers aren't owned, they're donated to "Freenode" without any written contract.May 26 00:30
Sophist_UKMinceR: It might have been, or might not.May 26 00:30
MinceRindeedMay 26 00:30
XRevan86Sophist_UK: The software is just ran by staff, whatever they want.May 26 00:30
Sophist_UKSo maybe it was a hostilke takeover after all. Andrew Lee seems to think he owns the servers and the software and the data.May 26 00:30
Sophist_UKOr maybe he did legally own them as well.May 26 00:31
CrystalMathSophist_UK: what about when they forcibly removed christel?May 26 00:31
XRevan86Sophist_UK: Even if Christel gave him all that in a contract, it's still a grey area if she actually had what she was giving.May 26 00:31
schestowitzSophist_UK: PIA has thousands of serversMay 26 00:31
schestowitziirc, freenode uses just about 44 serversMay 26 00:31
XRevan86CrystalMath: She resigned after no one knows what.May 26 00:31
Sophist_UKWho forceably removed Christel?May 26 00:32
schestowitzand maybe multi-tenant'edMay 26 00:32
schestowitzSophist_UK: she resignedMay 26 00:32
CrystalMathSophist_UK: the ex-staff harrassed herMay 26 00:32
Sophist_UKschestowitz: Why is that relevant?May 26 00:32
schestowitzto avoid the shitstormMay 26 00:32
XRevan86(she doesn't take questions, really doesn't want to be involved in any of this)May 26 00:32
schestowitzSophist_UK: because server ownership was discussedMay 26 00:32
XRevan86CrystalMath: This is not actually established.May 26 00:32
schestowitzspinning off more servers is something PIA can do fast if neededMay 26 00:32
Sophist_UKAnd the relevance of numbers is?May 26 00:32
alextee[m]<XRevan86 "(she doesn't take questions, rea"> sounds fishy lolMay 26 00:33
schestowitzbbiabMay 26 00:33
Sophist_UKalextee[m]: No - that is just an assumption on your part - perhaps she is simply burned out.May 26 00:33
XRevan86alextee[m]: Well, the staff says that she resigned instead of answering questions, so… that.May 26 00:33
XRevan86"burnt out" is an understatementMay 26 00:33
alextee[m]well she's partly or mostly responsible for what happened IMO so it would be nice to offer some clarityMay 26 00:34
alextee[m]but I can understand that the situation might be too stressful atmMay 26 00:34
Sophist_UKMy guess is that Christel made a bad judgement call a few years back when she sold the domain name / company (which morally she was holding on behalf of the staff / community) - even though she thought she was doing it for good reasons (to raise money for something appropriate).May 26 00:34
saint_dogbertalextee[m]: She is responsible for a bunch of people having a huge hissy fit?May 26 00:35
XRevan86alextee[m]: Not offering clarity triggered this whole situation, so clearly she's not going to now either.May 26 00:35
Sophist_UKAnd I guess she did it without consultating the others.May 26 00:35
alextee[m]saint_dogbert: responsible due to being the one selling the freenode "assets" whatever they wereMay 26 00:35
Sophist_UKSo they gavce her grief about it.May 26 00:35
baronhk[m]I'm always sorry when I check Google Now.May 26 00:35
CrystalMathSophist_UK: she owned it, why should she consult with non-owners?May 26 00:35
baronhk[m]CNN gave us all a first class ticket to the freak show yet again.May 26 00:35
saint_dogbertalextee[m]: I still don't see why its a problem if she owned themMay 26 00:35
Sophist_UKCrystalMath: Please go and study Ethics101 for the answer to that.May 26 00:36
XRevan86I also don't understand why the logo addition was a big deal if a PIA logo was there before as well, and yet if it were so simple, she would've just said "duh" instead of resigningMay 26 00:36
baronhk[m]Topless photo of Elliot Page (whoever that is), now a he/they after an "operation".May 26 00:36
saint_dogberti know, i know, its questionable that she owned them May 26 00:36
CrystalMathSophist_UK: when you sell something, like etc... a computer, do you consult with people who remotely used it a bit?May 26 00:36
MinceR26 013516 < saint_dogbert> alextee[m]: She is responsible for a bunch of people having a huge hissy fit?May 26 00:36
Sophist_UKCrystalMath: Please go and study Ethics101 for the answer to that.May 26 00:36
alextee[m]saint_dogbert: well similarly i don't see why andrew taking control of what he (presumably)  owns is a problemMay 26 00:36
MinceRa bunch of people are responsible for thatMay 26 00:36
CrystalMathSophist_UK: i believe in private ownershipMay 26 00:36
MinceRit could have been managed in a mature wayMay 26 00:36
XRevan86CrystalMath: From a Freenode point of view she was a representative, not an overlord.May 26 00:36
CrystalMathSophist_UK: i strongly oppose collectivism and collective ownershipMay 26 00:36
saint_dogbertalextee[m]: I guess we are clueless then? ;)May 26 00:36
Sophist_UKCrystalMath: What you effectively just said was that you believe in selfishness and greed.May 26 00:37
CrystalMathSophist_UK: then so be itMay 26 00:37
CrystalMathSophist_UK: i believe in private ownership for real, truthfullyMay 26 00:37
Sophist_UKYes - I am not going to change your mind on that.May 26 00:37
XRevan86And yet when she resigned and Freenode elected a new representative, an actual owner, Andrew, challenged that saying that he does not recognise that authority.May 26 00:37
alextee[m]saint_dogbert: we are missing a lot of information yesMay 26 00:37
CrystalMathSophist_UK: i don't necessarily believe in greed though, because if you say "this is mine", you're not expressing that you want moreMay 26 00:38
saint_dogbertalextee[m]: Sure are. And we see this conversation about 10x a day with all kinds of speculation and pretty lite on factsMay 26 00:38
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Sophist_UKI am not against private ownership where that makes sense, but I believe that humanities greatest achievements are through collective efforts made for the benefit of others. And your single-minded everything-must-be-private pretty much rules out anything of that nature.May 26 00:39
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XRevan86So, either way, what happened to the staff is that their voices were nullified in 2017 and they weren't even told.May 26 00:39
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XRevan86since they no longer were in charge of picking their representative (which they found out after they did)May 26 00:40
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CrystalMathSophist_UK: i wouldn't ban worker-owned collectives, but how does that change that freenode was in fact owned by someone?May 26 00:41
CrystalMathSophist_UK: there's a difference here... if you're saying that even though she owned freenode, it shouldn't be hers, then you have to be against private ownershipMay 26 00:41
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CrystalMathSophist_UK: i'm not insisting on the right to buy liberaMay 26 00:42
CrystalMathSophist_UK: nor OFTCMay 26 00:42
CrystalMathbut it seems to me you're insisting that freenode couldn't have been soldMay 26 00:42
XRevan86CrystalMath: Ye are missing the problem of quasi-ownership.May 26 00:43
techrights-botHas Brodie Robertson been paid to promote a #microsoft #windows laptop? Link omitted, but I took note of that in posts earlier this month, e.g. 26 00:43
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CrystalMathXRevan86: we already had this issue in 2006May 26 00:44
techrights-botREMINDER: #FrameworkLaptop is a #MICROSOFT #WINDOWS laptop and the only explanation I have for many plugs I see for it in "Linux" sites is that they're paid/bribed to do so. Also, it's massively overpriced.May 26 00:44
schestowitzcontrol and ownership are not the sameMay 26 00:46
schestowitzrelated, but differentMay 26 00:46
schestowitzafaik, christel was in controlMay 26 00:46
schestowitzwho owned it? 'up in the air.....'May 26 00:46
CrystalMathi mean, there are IRCs owned by non-profits, like OFTCMay 26 00:47
schestowitzit's not even clear who 'owns' techrightsMay 26 00:47
schestowitzthe infra is kaniiniMay 26 00:47
CrystalMathfreenode was never like that thoughMay 26 00:47
schestowitzand two people now have dns credentialsMay 26 00:47
schestowitzand it's stranger when you ask who 'owns' this channelMay 26 00:48
schestowitzI suppose rasengan is in control of the domain it is inMay 26 00:49
CrystalMathtbh, who owns "techrights" = schestowitzMay 26 00:49
schestowitzMinceR and I are the main ops with powers at channel admin levelMay 26 00:49
Sophist_UKCrystalMath: Please go and study Ethics101 for the answer to that.May 26 00:49
CrystalMathSophist_UK: ethics are not absoluteMay 26 00:50
schestowitztechrights is immaterialMay 26 00:50
samiamsamCrystalMath: your ethical ideas are full of well-known holes, unfortunatelyMay 26 00:50
CrystalMathsamiamsam: i don't see how that matters or changes anythingMay 26 00:51
CrystalMathsamiamsam: i just said it's highly relativeMay 26 00:51
CrystalMathwe don't have to agree, at allMay 26 00:51
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CrystalMaththere's no code of ethics that is universalMay 26 00:51
CrystalMatheverything you say is good, i can say it's badMay 26 00:51
CrystalMatheverything you say is bad, i can say it's goodMay 26 00:52
Sophist_UKCrystalMath: You clearly have no clue about ethics. Things are not black and white. Things can be held in trust - and that can be enforced legally. But yes - ethics are not absolute - and that is exactly the point. You seem to think that everything should be absolute, and that is why you appear to know nothing about ethics.May 26 00:52
Sophist_UKCrystalMath: Please go and study Ethics101 for the answer to that.May 26 00:52
CrystalMathSophist_UK: again, there's no need for anyone to "study" ethics, as it's not absoluteMay 26 00:53
CrystalMathi only used extremes as a way to tell you that everything is relativeMay 26 00:53
Sophist_UKWhilst there are grey areas, there are accepted definitions of things that are good and that are bad - and a lot of grey areas inbetween.May 26 00:53
techrights-botMight it be powered by #debian #gnu #linux just like #steamOS (if that exists at all)? 26 00:53
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samiamsamCrystalMath: there doesn't have to be a universal code of ethics for people to be making errors in ethical thoughtMay 26 00:53
CrystalMathsamiamsam: there is no errorMay 26 00:54
CrystalMathsamiamsam: like, you seem to think there's some kind of goal or life or something, there isn'tMay 26 00:54
samiamsamyou're mistakenMay 26 00:54
CrystalMaththat is literally impossible :)May 26 00:54
samiamsamnopeMay 26 00:54
CrystalMathi can say that it's for the best if humans are eradicated, and even defend thatMay 26 00:54
schestowitzethics are subjectiveMay 26 00:54
samiamsami don't know where you're getting that from, but it isn't from the words i've typedMay 26 00:54
schestowitznot objective everMay 26 00:54
CrystalMathschestowitz: absolutelyMay 26 00:54
Sophist_UKCrystalMath: Everything you say demonstrates a lack of understanding of what ethics are. Go study them before you make statements about them which just dispolay your ignorance.May 26 00:54
schestowitzmany say "protect the animals"May 26 00:54
schestowitzthey also eat themMay 26 00:54
CrystalMathSophist_UK: ethics are relativeMay 26 00:54
schestowitzand it is generally not considered "unethical" to kill and eat non-human animalsMay 26 00:55
samiamsamCrystalMath: i did not say that ALL things can be erroneous, only that SOME things can.  this is another logical error on your partMay 26 00:55
schestowitzvegans might have firmer ground to stand onMay 26 00:55
CrystalMathsamiamsam: literally there doesn't even have to be any logic to ethics, you made up that ruleMay 26 00:55
CrystalMathi don't have to accept that ruleMay 26 00:55
schestowitz"murder is wrong"May 26 00:55
samiamsamyou do thoughMay 26 00:55
CrystalMathsamiamsam: what tells you that i have to use logic in ethics?May 26 00:55
schestowitz"let's talk about it over some KFC"May 26 00:55
CrystalMathsamiamsam: you're calling on some kind of absolute thingMay 26 00:56
CrystalMathwhat is it? some kind of god?May 26 00:56
samiamsamCrystalMath: any falsehood implies every propostionMay 26 00:56
Sophist_UKFor example, it is generally accepted as ethically bad to kill another human without legal authority and when it is unnecessary and when they don't want to be killed.May 26 00:56
samiamsamproposition*May 26 00:56
CrystalMathSophist_UK: "generally accepted" means nothing about WHY that is soMay 26 00:56
CrystalMaththe majority of the people can definitely be wrongMay 26 00:56
samiamsamCrystalMath: if your ethical theory says that something is wrong, and that it is right at the same time, and that right and wrong are distinct separate sets, then your ethical theory is erroneous because it can prove that 2+2=5May 26 00:56
CrystalMathfor example, that's not my ethics, i believe that murder is always wrongMay 26 00:56
Sophist_UKSo you believe it is OK to go around killing someone because you fancy it?May 26 00:57
CrystalMathSophist_UK: my own code of ethics excludes the possibility of legal authority to murderMay 26 00:57
Sophist_UKOk - you have made it clear that is not the case.May 26 00:57
Sophist_UKSo state / court sanctioned murder as a punishment for e.g. genocide is wrong?May 26 00:58
CrystalMathcorrectMay 26 00:58
samiamsamCrystalMath: ethical theories aren't ever pure opinion, and can't usually be divorced from facts nor logicMay 26 00:58
Sophist_UKKilling someone who is about to blow up a stadium full of inocent people to stop them doing so is wrong?May 26 00:58
CrystalMathsamiamsam: then maybe ethical theories are pointless and we should May 26 00:58
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CrystalMathjust stick to opinionsMay 26 00:58
Sophist_UKCrystalMath: Do you realise what you just said?May 26 00:59
CrystalMathSophist_UK: i wouldn't pull the lever in the trolley problem, eitherMay 26 00:59
samiamsamwhen i say ethical theories, i mean the kinds of things that you were saying hereMay 26 00:59
CrystalMathSophist_UK: i am a hardline pacifist, i wouldn't kill someone who's about to kill meMay 26 00:59
samiamsamfor example, libertarian propertarian absolutismMay 26 00:59
CrystalMathSophist_UK: nor someone who's about to kill everyone, nor end the universeMay 26 00:59
CrystalMathi don't even believe that ending the universe would be necessarily 100% wrongMay 26 01:00
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CrystalMathit would end all suffering for exampleMay 26 01:00
Sophist_UKYou just said that ethical theories (and hence ethics) are pointless - which is equivalent to saying that selfishness and greed are what we should live our lives by because that is what is left without Ethics.May 26 01:00
CrystalMathSophist_UK: hmm, i'm not sure that followsMay 26 01:00
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samiamsamthe idea that we SHOULD be selifsh and greedy is still an ethical theoryMay 26 01:01
CrystalMathrightMay 26 01:01
Sophist_UKCrystalMath: So you believe that "I think that the universe is on average bad, so let's end the universe to end the bad bits" is ok i.e. ethical?May 26 01:01
CrystalMaththat would be another "should"May 26 01:01
samiamsami think CrystalMath is saying we shouldn't even talk about such things?  but you just wereMay 26 01:01
CrystalMathi'm saying there is absolutely no point to lifeMay 26 01:02
CrystalMathno purpose whatsoeverMay 26 01:02
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samiamsamwell i agree, purposes are held by living beings, there is no purpose to life itself and the purpose of the parents in making the child do not ethically bind the childMay 26 01:02
CrystalMathif you cannot find conclusive proof of an objective purpose to life, or the existence of the universe, it does not existMay 26 01:02
CrystalMathi believe that purposes are the illusions of living beings, as is consciousnessMay 26 01:03
CrystalMathRichard Dawkins explains purpose very wellMay 26 01:03
samiamsamethics doesn't require universality of purpose, ethics assumes a social context of cooperation as opposed to isolation or warMay 26 01:03
schestowitz'purpose'May 26 01:04
schestowitzas if life exists for some "goal"May 26 01:04
Sophist_UKCrystalMath: my own ethical standards are that your life is yours to do what you want with, so if you feel that there is no point to your life then it would not clash with my ethics if you were to decide to stop using the worlds limited resources any further and instead donate the resources tied up in your cells back to the world.May 26 01:04
schestowitzCOVID has a 'purpose' tooMay 26 01:04
schestowitzI guessMay 26 01:04
schestowitzlike spreading itselfMay 26 01:04
samiamsamASSUMING we're trying to get along, what decisions do we make about what we owe the other person -- that's ethicsMay 26 01:04
Sophist_UKsamiamsam: +1000000May 26 01:04
schestowitzevery person is controlled by anotherMay 26 01:05
schestowitzso terms like slavery are broader than we're meant to acknowledgeMay 26 01:05
Sophist_UKschestowitz: I believe that we are fully in control of everything.May 26 01:05
schestowitzbut race-baiting corporations want us to think of it only in ethnic termsMay 26 01:05
schestowitznot like bosses who enslave employeesMay 26 01:05
Sophist_UKschestowitz: I believe that we are fully in control of ourselves.May 26 01:05
schestowitzcorporations that use LITERAL sweatshops where people swear and jump from windowsMay 26 01:06
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schestowitzSophist_UK: if you have a job, and the job is not yours fully, then that is falseMay 26 01:06
CrystalMathSophist_UK: my ethical standards are that people should split the management of these collective resources amongst themselves, to the individual levelMay 26 01:06
schestowitzI too have to occasionally do things I prefer not toMay 26 01:06
schestowitzthe other day I needed to log in to clownflareMay 26 01:06
CrystalMathSophist_UK: so that means, that things should have owners - people who decide the entire fate of this thing, as opposed to that thingMay 26 01:07
samiamsamexcept at its most brutal extremes, human power does not work by controlling people.  human power works by manipulating people's INTERESTS so that they make the choice to comply out of self-interest May 26 01:07
CrystalMaththat's the important part of ownership, decisionsMay 26 01:07
CrystalMathSophist_UK: if i acquire a strip of land and build a giant stupid sphere statue, i exercised this properlyMay 26 01:07
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CrystalMathSophist_UK: but it seems that your ethical standards believe that we should all put things we have to good use - i disagree completely as i don't believe in the possibility of good useMay 26 01:07
samiamsamno one will force you to do X or Y, but they will make it so that you will receive $500 if you do X and -$500 if you do Y.May 26 01:08
CrystalMathSophist_UK: i believe that building a giant pointless statue is just as good as building a farm that creates foodMay 26 01:08
CrystalMathSophist_UK: because nothing makes sense and nothing really mattersMay 26 01:08
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CrystalMathSophist_UK: i think that's the fundamental difference hereMay 26 01:09
samiamsamCrystalMath: i don't want to be rude here, i really don't, but i can see that you are making muddy thinking errorsMay 26 01:09
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Sophist_UKCrystalMath: Words cannot express how sad I feel at your lack of empathy and (if I take your words at face value) sociopathic character.May 26 01:09
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Sophist_UKAnyway, time for bed here. TTFNMay 26 01:09
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samiamsamCrystalMath: like, talking about "as good" doesn't make sense if you don't have a single definition of "good".  what you're saying is that no definition of good is universal.  that's true.  but you're going off in the wrong direction from thereMay 26 01:10
CrystalMathsamiamsam: actually i believe that the idea that life is pointless is an objective truthMay 26 01:11
samiamsamsureMay 26 01:11
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samiamsami agreeMay 26 01:11
samiamsamlike i already saidMay 26 01:11
CrystalMaththerefore ascribing any point to life, any "should", is actually factually incorrectMay 26 01:11
samiamsamit's just you're drawing conclusions from that, which are wrongMay 26 01:11
CrystalMathwhy shouldn't i draw conclusions from a true statement?May 26 01:12
samiamsamno, it's not, because you need to interpret it relative to a contextMay 26 01:12
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samiamsami didn't say you shouldn't draw conclusionsMay 26 01:12
samiamsami said you drawing the WRONG conclusionsMay 26 01:12
*stormchaser3000 is guessing that he found himself in the middle of the same argument from earlierMay 26 01:12
CrystalMathi don't see that they're wrongMay 26 01:13
samiamsami knowMay 26 01:13
CrystalMathyou referred to purposes as making sense within a context, but to me these contexts themselves are detached from realityMay 26 01:13
CrystalMaththe reality that one should try to remain attached to has no purpose, therefore the proper word for purposes acribed to things by us are illusionsMay 26 01:14
*stormchaser3000 prepares his popcornMay 26 01:14
samiamsamCrystalMath: you're a computer programmer right?May 26 01:14
CrystalMathsamiamsam: noMay 26 01:14
samiamsamohMay 26 01:14
CrystalMathnot professionally, at leastMay 26 01:14
CrystalMathi do write code thouguhMay 26 01:14
CrystalMath*thoughMay 26 01:14
samiamsamoh okMay 26 01:14
samiamsamyou know about data types like boolean, integer, float, etc.?May 26 01:15
CrystalMathi've met many people under illusions - that they need to stay alive, that they need to have children, that they need to run proprietary software; but these are all illusionsMay 26 01:15
CrystalMathreally, one doesn't need to do any of thatMay 26 01:15
alextee[m]>REMINDER: #FrameworkLaptop is a #MICROSOFT #WINDOWS laptop and the only explanation I have for many plugs I see for it in "Linux" sites is that they're paid/bribed to do so. Also, it's massively overpriced.May 26 01:16
alextee[m]is there an article on this?May 26 01:16
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CrystalMathsamiamsam: types, sureMay 26 01:16
CrystalMathsamiamsam: what about them?May 26 01:16
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samiamsamyou can represent a logical proposition (such as "x is good") as a propositional function returning boolean (isGood :: X -> Bool)May 26 01:18
stormchaser3000are we talking about haskell here?May 26 01:19
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samiamsami'm just using haskell as notationMay 26 01:19
stormchaser3000ah okMay 26 01:19
samiamsamCrystalMath: things like good and bad and so on exist as entire programs within the computer of the human brain.  in principle the human brain might be programmed any which way, but in practice it is running _similar_ software everywhereMay 26 01:20
samiamsamso there is a kind of phantom universality of purpose that almost everyone can kind of "feel" deriving from the fact that we're separate speciesMay 26 01:22
samiamsam*same speciesMay 26 01:22
CrystalMathsamiamsam: then why do we disagree about that? :PMay 26 01:23
samiamsami don't think we disagree about thatMay 26 01:24
CrystalMathtruly don't see it, i believe that we are all very unique individualsMay 26 01:24
CrystalMathevery opinion i've heard is uniqueMay 26 01:25
samiamsampeople only talk about their differences, not their universalitiesMay 26 01:25
CrystalMathsure there's a lot of overlaps but really, there's nothing that we *all* agree onMay 26 01:25
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samiamsambut what i'm leading to is to say that it's a type error to talk about whether some one thing is "as good" as another when you're talking about two distinct functionsMay 26 01:25
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CrystalMathwhat i was equating all those things to is 0May 26 01:26
samiamsamyou're equating things that aren't equalMay 26 01:26
CrystalMathhow good/bad/important is it to do X? 0May 26 01:26
samiamsambecause purpose really does exist, physicallyMay 26 01:26
CrystalMathprove itMay 26 01:26
samiamsamit's part of the human brainMay 26 01:26
samiamsamit's easy to proveMay 26 01:26
CrystalMathshow me someone other than people who caresMay 26 01:26
samiamsami didn't say that nonhumans have purposeMay 26 01:26
CrystalMathwhat is the difference?May 26 01:26
samiamsambut, actually, many species do (but not all)May 26 01:27
CrystalMathhumans are just animalsMay 26 01:27
CrystalMaththere's really no difference there, tbhMay 26 01:27
CrystalMathhumans are made of the same stuff the ground isMay 26 01:27
samiamsamsome animals are too simple to have purposesMay 26 01:27
samiamsamit doesn't matter what you make it out ofMay 26 01:27
samiamsamit matters what it doesMay 26 01:27
CrystalMathi know that i don't have a purposeMay 26 01:27
CrystalMathi see purpose as an illusionMay 26 01:28
samiamsamthe brain is a network of switches, and so is a computer.  they work totally different but can perform many of the same computationsMay 26 01:28
CrystalMatha popular illusion, but an illusion nonethelessMay 26 01:28
baronhk[m]Apparently, the cops in New Hampshire have an arrest warrant for Marilyn Manson.May 26 01:28
schestowitz:-0May 26 01:28
schestowitzwhat for?May 26 01:28
samiamsambaronhk[m]: for sex stuff?May 26 01:28
schestowitzwhat charges?May 26 01:28
baronhk[m]He has an opportunity most people don't. Ignore the warrant, don't go back to that state, and live fine.May 26 01:28
schestowitzmanson has a sex?May 26 01:28
MinceRlolMay 26 01:28
baronhk[m]It's misdemeanor assault, so as long as he stays out of the state, I mean he could be detained for a while, but they aren't going to pay to have him extradited.May 26 01:29
samiamsambaronhk[m]: i think it's probably the other way around.  that would work for most people.  for him with celebrity, they may make an exception and extradite.May 26 01:29
schestowitzwell, michael jackson spent not a moment in jailMay 26 01:29
baronhk[m]It's what an ex I spoke with said he would have done had he been in my situation in 2019.May 26 01:29
CrystalMathsamiamsam: honestly i believe that what we refer to as our consciousness is also an illusionMay 26 01:30
schestowitzbill gates is 'phisnthropist'May 26 01:30
schestowitzwent to visit jeffy in jailMay 26 01:30
schestowitzto help him become a  'phisnthropist' tooMay 26 01:30
samiamsamCrystalMath: well, purpose isn't an illusion, that's another type errorMay 26 01:30
CrystalMathsamiamsam: purpose does not existMay 26 01:30
baronhk[m]"They're not going to pay to extradite you to Illinois over a misdemeanor. But then it just goes on and on forever and you can't rent an apartment or find even a bad job without clearing it up.May 26 01:30
schestowitzit's a motivational morale thingMay 26 01:30
CrystalMathsamiamsam: i recommend that you watch that Richard Dawkins lectureMay 26 01:30
schestowitz'purpose'May 26 01:30
baronhk[m]Manson has a lot of money, so he can just live in some other state and laugh.May 26 01:30
baronhk[m]I would.May 26 01:30
samiamsamof all people richard dawkins would acknowledge the biological existence of purposeMay 26 01:31
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CrystalMathsamiamsam: he talked a lot about a feature of the brain that creates an illusion of purpose, one that is useful for survival, but not realMay 26 01:31
baronhk[m]It's another luxury of being rich. You get in trouble, just flee the jurisdiction. Fuck 'em. You don't need a 9-5 or a crummy apartment.May 26 01:31
samiamsambaronhk[m]: except the governor can literally just decide to extradite for any reason they likeMay 26 01:31
baronhk[m]They typically don't unless the state that wants them agrees to pay for it.May 26 01:32
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baronhk[m]Unless it's a felony.May 26 01:32
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samiamsami know they normally don't do it.  but it's a celebrity, not a normal caseMay 26 01:32
CrystalMathsamiamsam: the point is, our brains are hardwired to believe in purpose only because any other brain would have died out, but to me that says nothing; i don't see anything wrong with dying out, eitherMay 26 01:33
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-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Marilyn Manson wanted in New Hampshire on assault warrantMay 26 01:33
CrystalMathsamiamsam: to believe the results of evolution is to hold onto the assumption that being alive is good - but i don't buy itMay 26 01:33
CrystalMathsamiamsam: i'm not buying that life is better than deathMay 26 01:33
baronhk[m]The sex assault would be easier to clear up. They just want money. Settle it out of court.May 26 01:33
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CrystalMathsamiamsam: even though i believe that it's always wrong to take a life, i believe it's always okay to commit suicideMay 26 01:34
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samiamsamCrystalMath: i get what you're saying but it's got type errors.  the capacity for purpose is like the capacity to pick up a branch with your hand.  a feature some organisms have and some don'tMay 26 01:34
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baronhk[m]Chicago wants to get rid of surge pricing. Why not? Makes it easier for them to raise tax again.May 26 01:35
schestowitzanyway, back to techMay 26 01:35
schestowitzyou interjected sex into the channel againMay 26 01:35
baronhk[m]Either that or they don't understand how markets work. They're Democrats, so....May 26 01:35
samiamsamCrystalMath: it's a biological feature of the human species, NOT an 'illusion', even if part of how that feature works involves humans inventing illusory explanations for thingsMay 26 01:36
CrystalMathsamiamsam: but you assume that it's a feature, why?May 26 01:36
CrystalMathi can just as well see it as a bugMay 26 01:36
samiamsami don't mean feature as oppose to bug i just mean aspect or elementMay 26 01:36
baronhk[m]If 10 people need a ride and there are 20 Ubers sitting around, the price will be lower than if 20 people need a ride and there are 10 Ubers.May 26 01:36
CrystalMathsamiamsam: yes but that was just created by evolution for predictable reasonsMay 26 01:36
baronhk[m]Please tell me that you cannot be this dumb and in office.May 26 01:36
CrystalMathsamiamsam: evolution merely optimises for lifeMay 26 01:36
CrystalMathsamiamsam: but why is that goal itself important?May 26 01:37
techrights-bot#mozilla : "Your personal data is yours".... HAHAHAHAHA!! Oops, sorry... HAHAHA... seriously, Mozilla, who do you think you're kidding? #firefox no longer protects privacy and it helps amass data by various parties including #google 26 01:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Updates to Firefox's Breach Alert Policy - Mozilla Security BlogMay 26 01:37
samiamsamagain, importance exists within the evolved brain.  it is a type error to talk about importance outside the domain of "things the brain ranks in importance"May 26 01:37
CrystalMathsamiamsam: i wouldn't hold any feature of the human brain to be importantMay 26 01:37
baronhk[m]<CrystalMath "samiamsam: evolution merely opti"> True, at this rate there will eventually be a lot of men sitting around doing nothing living on their wife, smoking pot and playing XBOX because women want babies bad enough to marry THESE people.May 26 01:38
CrystalMathsamiamsam: the brain is wrong, its view of reality is quite brokenMay 26 01:38
CrystalMathsamiamsam: but some people are able to think beyond itMay 26 01:38
baronhk[m]Then their defective unemployed genes spread and we go further down the rabbit hole.May 26 01:38
CrystalMathand reach the point when they see how incredibly limited the brain isMay 26 01:38
CrystalMaththat's when you truly open your eyesMay 26 01:38
CrystalMathand realize - we're worthless beingsMay 26 01:38
CrystalMatheverything is worthlessMay 26 01:38
CrystalMathnothing really mattersMay 26 01:38
samiamsami don't know, brotherMay 26 01:38
techrights-botMaybe this is why #microsoft and #qualcomm have been 'spamming' sites all day long (on Tuesday) 26 01:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 520 @ )May 26 01:39
schestowitzpsydroid: ^May 26 01:39
baronhk[m]This is the sort of shit that happens. My cousins both married men like this.May 26 01:39
samiamsami suspect you have some emotional reasons you aren't revealingMay 26 01:39
CrystalMathsamiamsam: i've kinda had this sort of idea since i was born, somehowMay 26 01:39
baronhk[m]One made the evening news because he stole money out of her purse to go to the liquor store after he promised he'd quit drinking, and it got robbed while he was in there, and he couldn't get out without being on camera.May 26 01:40
CrystalMathbut i guess i see all of my exploration in thoughts as a part of a road to hereMay 26 01:40
CrystalMaththat could be just because i'm hereMay 26 01:40
schestowitzCrystalMath: you are nearly 30May 26 01:40
schestowitzyou know what THAT means..May 26 01:40
CrystalMathschestowitz: approaching lastday?May 26 01:40
baronhk[m]Meanwhile, I won't reproduce at all.May 26 01:40
schestowitzdoomsday clockMay 26 01:40
schestowitzbaronhk[m]: raise a catMay 26 01:41
schestowitzthey don't buy or litter muchMay 26 01:41
baronhk[m]Why would I want to, for starters? So that I can be even poorer than I am now and have a 50/50 chance of spreading bipolar disorder down the line?May 26 01:41
CrystalMathschestowitz: ever watched Logan's Run?May 26 01:41
schestowitznoMay 26 01:41
baronhk[m]At least I'm decent enough to not go there.May 26 01:41
schestowitzI heard of itMay 26 01:41
CrystalMathschestowitz: that's the movie where people die when they reach 30 in a ritualMay 26 01:42
samiamsami have two kids.  and i'm going to take one outside for a few minutes right now.  later folks.May 26 01:42
schestowitz"In Time" is OKMay 26 01:42
CrystalMaththat time is called "lastday"May 26 01:42
schestowitzbut different story lineMay 26 01:42
schestowitzpeople buying time to liveMay 26 01:42
CrystalMaththey're called up and get wiped outMay 26 01:42
samiamsam"In Time" was pretty neat, better than you might expectMay 26 01:42
samiamsambyeMay 26 01:42
schestowitz 26 01:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | In Time - WikipediaMay 26 01:43
schestowitzI watched it a few years agoMay 26 01:43
baronhk[m]My dad was even more of a freak than being in every cult in Indiana and Scientology.May 26 01:43
schestowitzthe concept is interestingMay 26 01:43
schestowitzwith organ farming and all not too unthinkable and far-fetched eitherMay 26 01:43
baronhk[m]He had what could pretty much only be described as a dungeon of pornography. Stuff he probably spent tens of thousands of dollars on.May 26 01:43
baronhk[m]He put it in bookshelves, in filing cabinets. Everywhere.May 26 01:44
baronhk[m]One day I found some when I was about 5, and I got the belt for looking at stuff he left all around the house.May 26 01:44
schestowitzat 5?May 26 01:44
baronhk[m]Yep.May 26 01:44
schestowitzbelt?May 26 01:44
schestowitzwowMay 26 01:44
schestowitzharshMay 26 01:44
baronhk[m]He's meaner than hell.May 26 01:45
schestowitzdoes he need a belt to hurt a little kid?May 26 01:45
schestowitzmany people find their parents' 'stash' sooner or laterMay 26 01:45
baronhk[m]Well, then whenever mom is angry at me she calls me by his name.May 26 01:45
schestowitzeither propr of literature or tapesMay 26 01:45
baronhk[m]Blames me for all of her fuck-ups.May 26 01:45
schestowitzpropsMay 26 01:45
baronhk[m]Has Mandy calling me Carl too.May 26 01:45
schestowitzlolMay 26 01:46
schestowitzhe'll pray for youMay 26 01:46
baronhk[m]He knows it makes my blood boil, so he says Carl whenever he's mad.May 26 01:46
schestowitztest: [[In Time]]May 26 01:46
schestowitztest: [In Time]May 26 01:46
schestowitztest: [InTime]May 26 01:46
schestowitzhmmm... freenode could handle this beforeMay 26 01:46
schestowitztest: [Castle]May 26 01:47
schestowitztest: 26 01:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Castle - WikipediaMay 26 01:47
schestowitzah, okMay 26 01:47
schestowitzstill worksMay 26 01:47
schestowitzdouble [[  and  ]]May 26 01:47
schestowitzaight, lads. time for Daily LinksMay 26 01:48
schestowitzcutoff 2:30 when the bulletin gets generated for the dayMay 26 01:48
baronhk[m]Well, anyone who knows me knows I don't spend $20 on a pair of shoes more often than every few years.May 26 01:48
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baronhk[m]Much less a $20,000 stash of porn. (In 1990 dollars.)May 26 01:48
baronhk[m]The self-esteem movement, Carlin was right. It churned out a lot of really bad folks.May 26 01:49
baronhk[m]By its nature, it encourages people to look to external sources of self-validation and nothing in our society encourages frugality or any other sort of wisdom or long term thinking for that matter.May 26 01:50
techrights-bot#Debian : FAIme, LZ4, and EasyOS Latest • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ #GNU #Linux #TuxMachinesMay 26 01:50
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baronhk[m]FUCKEDMay 26 01:50
schestowitzhi, AriadneMay 26 01:50
CrystalMathhi Ariadne, i'm glad you're back on #techrightsMay 26 01:50
schestowitzbaronhk[m]: that sounds like chronic addictionMay 26 01:51
schestowitzfor a 'stash'May 26 01:51
techrights-bot#Arduino and #Hardware for (Mostly) GNU/Linux • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ #GNU #Linux #TuxMachinesMay 26 01:52
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Arduino and Hardware for (Mostly) GNU/Linux | Tux MachinesMay 26 01:53
baronhk[m]<schestowitz "Baron Vladimir Harkonnen: that s"> Psychology is not convinced porn addiction is a thing but they must not have met Carl.May 26 01:54
techrights-bot#ibm calling its "health" product after a Nazi (and later has the audacity to say the #freesw community is insensitive) see 26 01:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | WATSON HEALTH - post regarding IBM layoffsMay 26 01:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Documentary: IBM Founder (Watson) Gave a Nazi Salute, Admired Hitler, Said Hitler Was Doing the Right Thing | TechrightsMay 26 01:54
techrights-bot#Games : #SteamPal Rumours, CSGO, and Gaming on the Librem 14 • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ #GNU #Linux #TuxMachinesMay 26 01:57
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baronhk[m]schestowitz Mandy was showing me a video of a nice modern shopping mall in Manila.May 26 01:58
baronhk[m]I'm guessing that's the part we're _supposed_ to see?May 26 01:59
schestowitzthere are several manilasMay 26 01:59
schestowitzhe comes from tondoMay 26 01:59
schestowitzit's where some people flock from villages thinking that proximity to wealth will in its own right beget opportunityMay 26 01:59
schestowitzso they live in slums and stuff and just stay in some sinking cityMay 26 02:00
baronhk[m]I don't know if or when we can renew his passport. Their government says only in LA can you do that right now.May 26 02:00
schestowitzbetter than "smokey mountain"May 26 02:00
schestowitzlandfill as a 'home'May 26 02:00
baronhk[m]So he may become a US citizen before we ever get around to it.May 26 02:00
techrights-bot"ROXANNE (Real time network, text, and speaker analytics for combating organized crime) is an EU funded collaborative research and innovation project, aiming to unmask criminal networks and their members as well as to reveal the true identity of perpetrators" 26 02:02
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | ROXANNEMay 26 02:02
techrights-botSen. Ron Johnson Doesn’t Care If Your Wages Don’t Cover Childcare. ‘The Marketplace’ Has Spoken 26 02:02
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Ron Johnson Doesn't Care If Your Wages Don't Cover Childcare - Rolling StoneMay 26 02:02
techrights-bot#gopkkk 'populism' 26 02:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | GOP Governors Are Opting States Out of Federal Unemployment Benefits - Rolling StoneMay 26 02:03
baronhk[m]Now they spew money at people with kids.May 26 02:03
baronhk[m]Causing hyperinflation and misery for us.May 26 02:03
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techrights-bot"Daniel Ellsberg is challenging the constitutionality of the Espionage Act—openly breaking the law to expose an insane Pentagon plan to use pre-emptive nuclear strikes on mainland China in a Taiwan conflict" 26 02:03
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Edward Snowden [bot] : "Daniel Ellsberg is challenging the constitutional…" - social.jesuislibre.netMay 26 02:03
alexteelol 26 02:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-THEY HAVE PLAYED US PROGRAMMERS FOR ABSOLUTE FOOLS - YouTubeMay 26 02:04
baronhk[m]I am with the Republicans on this. Bring back the job search or no bennies.May 26 02:04
techrights-bot"The #Biden administration's (carefully worded) support for a #WTO IP waiver on vaccines may not be the full-throated support the issue warrants, but it was still a complete reversal of decades of subservience to #BigPharma " 26 02:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Cory Doctorow's linkblog: "The Biden administration's (carefully worded) sup…" - La Quadrature du Net - Mastodon - Media FédéréMay 26 02:04
baronhk[m]It certainly doesn't hurt to make people drop in three applications somewhere each week.May 26 02:05
techrights-bot#curl founder: "please consider donating some of your valuable time to help us improve!" #deleyegithub #proprietarySoftware #microsoftMay 26 02:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Daniel Stenberg: "The curl user survey 2021…" - MastodonMay 26 02:05
baronhk[m]The worst thing that happens is they don't get hired and they get another unemployment check.May 26 02:05
techrights-bot"The #Belarus plane hijack is a small reminder why it's generally not a good idea to let governments know who is going to where." They wrongly thought @snowden flew with #bolivia pres. Grounded a plan forcibly.May 26 02:06
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Alexander Bochmann: "The Belarus plane hijack is a small reminder why …" - INFRa MastodonMay 26 02:06
techrights-bot#eurobsdcon #bsd #unix 26 02:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Peter N. M. Hansteen: "If you're quite quick about it, you can make the …" - MastodonMay 26 02:07
techrights-bot"Most people never read terms of service - but even when they do, "agreements" are subject to unilateral "renegotiation" by companies that engineered high switching costs as a means of corralling you into clicking "I agree" to things no rational person would *ever* agree to." 26 02:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Cory Doctorow's linkblog: "Most people never read terms of service - but eve…" - La Quadrature du Net - Mastodon - Media FédéréMay 26 02:07
techrights-bot#cows #fi #finland 26 02:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Svenska Yle live: Kosläpp i Liljendal | Yle Östnyland - video | TV | Areena | yle.fiMay 26 02:09
baronhk[m]What really pisses me off is how the "news" takes the side of people who could work and just don't want a job because unemployment is there and they risk getting COVID.May 26 02:09
baronhk[m]It's like, motherfucker it's the same risk everyone who is stocking your groceries and comes to hook up your cable takes.May 26 02:09
baronhk[m]Since it has become endemic, people are going to get it sooner or later.May 26 02:10
techrights-botToday’s #HowTos | #UNIX • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ #GNU #Linux #TuxMachinesMay 26 02:12
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schestowitzalextee: lol indeedMay 26 02:14
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baronhk[m]<techrights-bot "#epo #parody (old) http://techri"> That's like one of those Downfall videos.May 26 02:29
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baronhk[m]Lori Lightfoot has done such a great job as mayor that I looked up my old apartment from 2016-2017 in South Shore. It's 50% more expensive and with 70% more gunshots going off nearby. Woohoo.May 26 03:16
saint_dogbertliberal utopia what with all those anti-gun laws making it safe for everyoneMay 26 03:16
baronhk[m]But mjg59is pleased with her mayoralty because she's black and came here to munch carpet and raise taxes.May 26 03:16
baronhk[m]<saint_dogbert "liberal utopia what with all tho"> I got my FOID card back after my appeal. I need to blog about this.May 26 03:17
baronhk[m]Maybe it'll be in the queue tomorrow.May 26 03:17
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saint_dogbertbaronhk[m]: If you do, would you send me a link? I'd be interested in reading what Chicago is like from a gun owners perspective May 26 03:19
baronhk[m]I don't have one. They made me surrender the card last time before I could buy one.May 26 03:20
baronhk[m]I just got it back a couple weeks ago.May 26 03:20
saint_dogbert:/May 26 03:21
baronhk[m]When they noticed that the court had taken away my right to have a gun/FOID card, it was 8 months into a 12 month court order.May 26 03:21
baronhk[m]:)May 26 03:21
baronhk[m]Meanwhile, they just let a dude who sodomized and murdered a 16 year old in the Cook County Forest Preserve in 1972 out for good behavior, and he immediately vanished without reporting to his parole officer.May 26 03:22
baronhk[m]And that's not the worst thing they've done this year.May 26 03:22
saint_dogbertany chance he was offed by a family member of the vic?May 26 03:22
baronhk[m]And dumped in the Forest Preserve?May 26 03:23
baronhk[m]I certainly hope so.May 26 03:23
baronhk[m]Maybe some Lori fan will find him on the bike path and scream.May 26 03:23
saint_dogbertor is now more useful serving as part of a foundation for a new building?May 26 03:23
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baronhk[m]There's still a skyscraper going up.May 26 03:24
baronhk[m]Once they start, they don't stop.May 26 03:24
baronhk[m]They won't be starting new ones for a while, I suppose.May 26 03:24
saint_dogbertProbably not with the way the economy is going May 26 03:25
baronhk[m]It's bad to build new capacity in a real estate market that has two years of inventory already.May 26 03:25
saint_dogbertmaybe we can ship some of our illegals over there to take up some of the excess inventory?May 26 03:25
saint_dogbertSeems like they'd welcomed with open arms anyway by Lightfoot May 26 03:26
baronhk[m]Probably.May 26 03:26
saint_dogbertCrazy Joe has been dumping them off in the North Western States during the night May 26 03:27
baronhk[m]They were spending millions of city tax dollars on lawyers for people who jumped a fence and said I'm here.May 26 03:27
saint_dogbertAnd handing out cash and food cards May 26 03:27
baronhk[m]They had a city "stimulus" that only illegal immigrants got.May 26 03:27
saint_dogbertFiguresMay 26 03:28
saint_dogbert:\May 26 03:28
saint_dogbertHow many billions went into that fund?May 26 03:28
baronhk[m]They said "private" sources and wouldn't disclose who paid it.May 26 03:28
saint_dogbertprobably that funding for gender studies included in the pork billMay 26 03:28
baronhk[m]Read: The city sold bonds that won't come due for 40 years and you'll know all about it then.May 26 03:28
saint_dogbertand the water finding expeditions for Tibet May 26 03:28
saint_dogbertAmong other itemsMay 26 03:29
baronhk[m]Lori said she would henceforth only be interviewed by black and brown reporters.May 26 03:30
baronhk[m]Preferably of the female variety.May 26 03:30
baronhk[m]The media in Chicago is "too white and male" so white men are locked out of interviews.May 26 03:31
baronhk[m]Which is totally not racist at all. Not that I know why you'd want to interview THAT except for the lulz.May 26 03:31
saint_dogbertThat isn't exactly surprising anymore May 26 03:31
saint_dogbertheard that May 26 03:31
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saint_dogbertSo what do you think? War on the horizon?May 26 03:32
saint_dogbertUsually, when people talk to me about whats going on, they bring that topic up May 26 03:33
saint_dogbertso might as well ask May 26 03:33
baronhk[m]schestowitzseems to think a civil war in the US is not out of the question.May 26 03:33
saint_dogbertI think its coming. With the way the Feds are targeting people for trespassing yet ignoring all the rioters last summerMay 26 03:34
baronhk[m]I think the media and tech companies want to race bait and they're probably going to shove us into another hot, hot August of looting and burning.May 26 03:34
saint_dogbertpeople being held in DC jails without charges, bail, etc May 26 03:34
saint_dogbertIts not out of the question that the USA might be in war soonMay 26 03:35
baronhk[m]You can see the inflation go up almost minute by minute.May 26 03:35
saint_dogbertyepMay 26 03:35
baronhk[m]A 24 pack of Coke is $7.98 at Walmart "on rollback" due to the holiday.May 26 03:35
saint_dogbertand jobs disappearing while states cut unemployment... homeless problem is about to get worseMay 26 03:36
baronhk[m]I noticed that they knocked the prices back on stuff for cookouts. Like they're fooling anyone.May 26 03:36
saint_dogbert8 million job openings to 13 million unemployed estimatedMay 26 03:36
baronhk[m]A jar of miracle whip miraculously went from $3.78 to $3.48.May 26 03:36
baronhk[m]Err, $4.78 to $3.48.May 26 03:36
baronhk[m]Then Walmart managed to piss off everyone working there.May 26 03:36
baronhk[m]They gave some of them a raise to $16-17, and left everyone else at $12.May 26 03:37
CrystalMathrasengan: people from GNU have asked me about the new sentence in the freenode policy, "Primary channels are required to stay open."; GNU is still not sure about whether to stay on freenode or not; they're concerned that it means that projects are not allowed to leave freenode; could it be clarified somehow to solve that misunderstanding?May 26 03:39
CrystalMathalternatively, would you have the time to join the #fsf meeting tomorrow about their presence on IRC?May 26 03:42
baronhk[m]I think my catalytic converter is about to have some big trouble.May 26 03:44
baronhk[m]I noticed my car makes some popping noises after I've been driving it for a while.May 26 03:44
baronhk[m]Only on acceleration.May 26 03:44
baronhk[m]Cat clog is the first thing I thought of because if it was a suspension part, it would just be broken or not broken.May 26 03:45
CrystalMathrasengan: sorry, i made a mistake, it's not tomorrow it's on thursdayMay 26 03:49
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techrights-ipfs ▕  IPFS downstream, 60 mins: █▃▅▂▆▅▆▅▅▂▂▄▄▅▆▁▅▇▄▆▃▅▅▅▃▆▅▃▄▁▄▃▅▁ avg(k/sec) 33.15 ▕  IPFS upstream: ▅▁▂█▂▃▂▃▂▁██▂▂▁▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▁▂▂▁█▁▁▁▁ avg(k/sec) 45.41▕ swarm size (avg): 230.65  ⟲May 26 04:16
XRevan86 does k-lining mean what I think it means?May 26 04:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Ariadne Conill (@ariadneconill): "they k-lined almost all ex-staffers just now, but won't k-line me. the problem of being IRC royalty, i guess" | nitterMay 26 04:22
MinceRand now they've set up a bot to automatically reassign ownership of channels they detected as being "closed" (incorrectly) to some sort of placeholder account... and close the channelsMay 26 04:22
MinceRbrilliant.May 26 04:22
MinceR#bedrock has become unusableMay 26 04:22
MinceRit's like they _want_ to lose usersMay 26 04:23
XRevan86MinceR: Which network? I cannot tell from context.May 26 04:25
MinceRfreenodeMay 26 04:25
CrystalMathXRevan86: freenodeMay 26 04:25
MinceRthis oneMay 26 04:25
XRevan86MinceR: Oh, I couldn't believe even ye stopped liking what's going on.May 26 04:27
MinceRwell, this is just stupid and self-destructiveMay 26 04:27
CrystalMathit really should have been supervised rather than using a botMay 26 04:27
MinceRindeedMay 26 04:28
MinceRbut this should be obvious to any competent operMay 26 04:28
XRevan86I read and… it's like reading a Soviet newspaper.May 26 04:28
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | freenode exists for FOSS - freenodeMay 26 04:28
XRevan86 I promise I didn't see this post before writing that.May 26 04:30
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Ariadne Conill (@ariadneconill): "...of the people's republic of freenode" | nitterMay 26 04:30
alexteelol freenode just hijacked my channel "<freenodecom> This channel has been reopened with respect to the communities and new users. The topic is in violation of freenode policy:"May 26 04:55
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | The Policies - freenodeMay 26 04:55
MinceRwhat was in the topic before?May 26 04:55
MinceRdid it allow people to join and talk?May 26 04:55
alexteethat the channel moved to liberaMay 26 04:55
alexteeyeahMay 26 04:55
MinceRwell, that's what they shot atMay 26 04:55
alexteewell, how am i supposed to tell people in the channel to move if they haven't seen it/moved yet?May 26 04:56
MinceRthough i'm not sure why it bothers them that people can talk in a channel that's being moved or whateverMay 26 04:56
MinceR¯\_(ツ)_/¯May 26 04:56
XRevan86There were debates before, I think this settles the matter.May 26 04:56
MinceRyeahMay 26 04:56
CrystalMathalextee: don't move to libera :PMay 26 04:56
CrystalMathit's very similarMay 26 04:56
MinceRyeahMay 26 04:56
CrystalMatherr, i mean, it's very simpleMay 26 04:56
MinceRmove to umbrellanet :)May 26 04:56
CrystalMathjust don't move to liberaMay 26 04:56
CrystalMathi'm super tiredMay 26 04:56
CrystalMathi don't know what i'm typing anymoreMay 26 04:56
*alextee tries to figure out how to tell the matrix frenode bridge to unbridge itselfMay 26 04:57
MinceRthe topic of #bedrock was: "#bedrock at and already set up, may officially move to one shortly | Current stable version: 0.7.20, current beta: N/A | | politics/drama/significantly-offtopic -> ##bedrock-chat"May 26 04:57
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Bedrock LinuxMay 26 04:57
MinceRand it still fell victim to thisMay 26 04:57
MinceRand now we can't talk thereMay 26 04:57
XRevan86CrystalMath: I think ye are incredibly biased.May 26 04:58
XRevan86This is the point where freenode loses all support, and CrystalMath still would rather give in to the chaos rather than admit that he picked the wrong horse.May 26 05:00
MinceRthe chaos has some good things about it, thoughMay 26 05:00
MinceRCrystalMath: oftc isn't better btwMay 26 05:00
MinceR 26 05:00
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | OFTC - StaffMay 26 05:00
CrystalMathMyon, i knowMay 26 05:00
XRevan86MinceR: It's an ultimate loss of truth, there are no upsides to that.May 26 05:00
CrystalMathand tomawMay 26 05:00
XRevan86trust, errMay 26 05:01
MinceRand RichiH, and mcgovernMay 26 05:01
CrystalMathoh damnMay 26 05:01
XRevan86MinceR, CrystalMath: So these people bother you more than the staff at freenode?May 26 05:02
CrystalMathyesMay 26 05:02
CrystalMathabsolutelyMay 26 05:02
MinceRin a way, yesMay 26 05:02
CrystalMaththis bot capture GAVE me 2 channels :PMay 26 05:02
MinceRthe staff of freenode seem to be merely incompetentMay 26 05:02
MinceRthe oftc/libera people are maliciousMay 26 05:02
CrystalMathbecause i ran the unofficial variantsMay 26 05:02
CrystalMathbut i wasn't sure what to do with themMay 26 05:02
MinceRlolMay 26 05:03
MinceRso it doesn't assign everything to their placeholder account?May 26 05:03
XRevan86MinceR: I think ye missed the memo.May 26 05:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Ariadne Conill (@ariadneconill): "like that person is literally insane from what i can tell" | nitterMay 26 05:03
MinceRi can't really be angry at cpunches for going after anti-free software SJWsMay 26 05:04
MinceRthose people are scumMay 26 05:04
XRevan86MinceR: phanes is accused of sending death threats.May 26 05:05
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MinceRwhat sorts of death threats?May 26 05:06
XRevan86MinceR: That's not bloody malicious? Just because ye don't share some hecking opinions?May 26 05:06
kakamaMinceR: I agree that the coc sjw stick in the mud no fun types that would have run off to Liberia were lameMay 26 05:06
kakamabut the weird channel killing stuff that happened a bit ago is kinda weird tooMay 26 05:06
XRevan86No wonder the Internet is such a melting pot of misery.May 26 05:07
MinceRXRevan86: beheading the FSF so that IBM and microsoft suits can take over and turn code that was assigned to the FSF or that had an "or later" license into IBM/microsoft property is more than just "some hecking opinions"May 26 05:07
MinceRXRevan86: canceling people in the way of monopolies is also more than just "some hecking opinions"May 26 05:07
MinceRkakama: yeah, this channel killing stuff is utterly idiotic and will probably drive a lot of projects off freenodeMay 26 05:08
MinceRand will probably turn a lot of people against freenodeMay 26 05:08
kakamaI feel like if that wasn't done, the 'overcoming inertia' of changing servers would have had a lot of people reconnecting to freenode for a long time, maybe foreverMay 26 05:08
kakamaand if Liberia fails like so many other networks, they would instinctively return hereMay 26 05:09
XRevan86MinceR: And Trotsky deserved his death for treason against the Stalin's vision of what the country needs to survive.May 26 05:09
MinceRXRevan86: do i look like someone who shares stalin's vision of what is needed?May 26 05:09
kakamabut not if the channel gets shut down in weird raids like a 3 AM raveMay 26 05:09
XRevan86MinceR: Did that look like the point I am making?May 26 05:09
MinceRXRevan86: dunnoMay 26 05:10
samiamsamwhat's this channel killing thing?May 26 05:11
MinceRsamiamsam: see aboveMay 26 05:11
XRevan86MinceR: No matter how horribly wrong ye think these people are and if maybe they're shepherding FOSS to its doom, there are opinions (strong or not) and then there are simple objective facts.May 26 05:11
MinceRsamiamsam: i mentioned it with regards to #bedrockMay 26 05:12
kakamasamiamsam: seems like it happened to quite a few, basically channels where the topic was like  WE MOVED TO LIBERIA had opbot come in and change the topic to 'this topic violates network policies reee' and then mass deop everyoneMay 26 05:12
kakamaand set the channel to +mMay 26 05:12
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kakamathen in some act of cybernetic remorse the bot says 'this channel is reopened no ill will' but didn't unset the +m or reop anyone lmaoMay 26 05:12
*kakama crunches down on some popcornMay 26 05:12
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XRevan86MinceR: There are certain civil boundaries that must not be crossed. I don't even care who or why.May 26 05:13
MinceRXRevan86: the "impersonation" thing looks like changing nicks on ircMay 26 05:13
MinceRXRevan86: what actually happened?May 26 05:13
kakamaalso if you go to #freenode it's a weird one sided +m mode where the ops can see what everyone types but you can only see what ops type so it looks hella schizoMay 26 05:13
MinceRkakama: not only did it not reop anyone, it changed ownership of the channel to some placeholder accountMay 26 05:13
kakamayeahMay 26 05:13
XRevan86MinceR: Wait, I haven't heard of that.May 26 05:13
MinceRthat "one sided" mode is +zMay 26 05:13
kakamaahMay 26 05:14
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baronhk[m]<XRevan86 "I read"> Current global users: 68347May 26 05:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 404 @ )May 26 05:14
kakamaI am from efnet, I don't know how all these city slicker modes and services workMay 26 05:14
MinceRlol @ city slickerMay 26 05:14
baronhk[m]Nyet, comrade! The Politburo would never admit to losing half of users in a month.May 26 05:14
MinceR/quote help cmodeMay 26 05:14
baronhk[m]Is double.May 26 05:15
MinceR"Current global users 66518,"May 26 05:15
-rasengan-[Global Notice] In the recent policy enforcement, some channels were erroneously included. We greatly apologize for the inconvenience. Please contact us in #freenode-services or Thanks for your patience and choosing freenode!May 26 05:15
kakamait's sad cuz I really thought maybe the really insufferable types would leave freenode, possibly freeing it of the eternal nickname freechodeMay 26 05:15
MinceRyou can see it with /lusersMay 26 05:15
MinceRlolMay 26 05:15
kakamaand then maybe freenode could be fun and stuffMay 26 05:15
MinceRyeah, i was hoping it would be a more chill placeMay 26 05:15
XRevan86MinceR: Impersonation thing? Where?May 26 05:15
kakamabut I guess one lame irc network turned into two lame irc networksMay 26 05:15
MinceRwith less of the "we're not IRC", "we're not competing" and #/## madnessMay 26 05:16
MinceRXRevan86: 26 05:16
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MinceRi thought you were talking about thisMay 26 05:16
kakamaor more like one lame new one with the old one's pretentiousness and one weird zombie network that appears to be schizophrenia incarnateMay 26 05:16
kakamaI will say tho I never seen this techrights blog until all this drama, had a read at the articles on it, big fan, good stuffMay 26 05:17
samiamsam"In the recent policy enforcement, some channels were erroneously included."May 26 05:17
MinceRduhMay 26 05:17
samiamsampoetryMay 26 05:17
baronhk[m]I thought we went over this. As long as black carpet muncher is in charge, who cares if rent goes up 50% and gunfire increases 70%? At least in mjg59world.May 26 05:17
MinceRlolMay 26 05:17
MinceRmjg59 is not the point of that linkMay 26 05:17
MinceR26 060351 <+XRevan86> MinceR: I think ye missed the memo.May 26 05:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Ariadne Conill (@ariadneconill): "like that person is literally insane from what i can tell" | nitterMay 26 05:17
baronhk[m]If he's angry about anything in Chicago, it's probably that the mayor isn't a black lesbian after undergoing a sex change.May 26 05:18
MinceRit's the first post linked in the above threadMay 26 05:18
kakamaI'm sorry are you implying there is a dark skin lesbian in charge of a city full of guns and landlord profit?May 26 05:18
kakamahow do I goMay 26 05:18
MinceRor retweeted, or whateverMay 26 05:18
kakamathat sounds awesome as hellMay 26 05:18
baronhk[m]We need to pack as many checkmarks into this thing as possible.May 26 05:18
MinceRgunfire isn't necessarily a bad thing anywayMay 26 05:18
baronhk[m]MinceR: It applies to the Freenode/Libera Chat feud as well, I suppose.May 26 05:18
MinceRyou can practice with targets, for exampleMay 26 05:18
MinceRyou can have fun with tanneriteMay 26 05:18
baronhk[m]It's infighting in FOSS. Exactly what his bosses want.May 26 05:19
MinceRyeahMay 26 05:19
baronhk[m]And Libera Chat has already adopted his favorite CoC.May 26 05:19
kakamaI own a duplex and have guns, rent and gunfire are my favouriteMay 26 05:19
XRevan86MinceR: Ah, right, I was thinking about the phanes thing. And just taking channels willy-nilly.May 26 05:19
baronhk[m]<MinceR "you can practice with targets, f"> The folks in Chicago kill about 2 people for every 15 they shot, and they're usually the wrong 2 people.May 26 05:20
MinceRXRevan86: the death threat thing that was not explained further?May 26 05:20
MinceRbaronhk[m]: lolMay 26 05:20
baronhk[m]They ought to let them practice on each other in prison between Parole Board hearings.May 26 05:20
baronhk[m](On the Parole Board too.)May 26 05:20
MinceRas for the "taking channels" thing, part of that was almost justifiedMay 26 05:21
baronhk[m]Maybe if those fuckers actually had to deal with any of this shit they'd stop letting them out.May 26 05:21
MinceRit's just that the bot did the wrong thing there too, as the point would have been setting the channel -miMay 26 05:21
kakamabaronhk[m]: yeah overall the fighting and feuding seems to be the goalMay 26 05:21
XRevan86MinceR: The impersonation thing does look intentional.May 26 05:21
kakamawhich is kind of how irl is these daysMay 26 05:21
MinceRXRevan86: it also looks pretty uninterestingMay 26 05:22
kakamalike you want to say 'those guys are being insane' but they have insane opposition and you try to do basically anything, you realize you're playing into the hands of the actors who are using subversion psyops marketing blah to create strife and conflictMay 26 05:22
kakamaany kind of fight against anything is itself losing the larger warMay 26 05:22
kakamahell of a pickle, lads.May 26 05:23
baronhk[m]If the state actually wanted the violence to be over, it would be....and fast.May 26 05:23
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baronhk[m]The state has reminded us all that it can do anything it wants, whenever it wants, and nobody will stop it. It just chooses not to.May 26 05:23
kakamaeasy enough to start shitflinging in foss, now that those oh so infectious memes that disguise themselves as 'progress' (at the cost and suffering of real progress) have entered teh gameMay 26 05:23
kakamawell yeah, the violence is inducedMay 26 05:24
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baronhk[m]When he was sitting in his bunker last year, Trump implied that martial law would get things under control fast.May 26 05:24
kakamathe guy throwing the brick through a window, the guy driving his truck through a crowd, everyone thinks they're fighting the system, but the system is the fightingMay 26 05:24
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baronhk[m]You go in, you kill anyone who shoots at the military, you go into their homes, take the guns, and the drugs, and find a deep, dark hole for as many lawbreakers as you encounter who surrender.May 26 05:25
kakamaDr. Kaczynski has some very salient points about what he referred to as 'leftism' though I think that should be divorced from American political positions as a termMay 26 05:26
kakamabut the general concept of moving goalposts so the end goal is never reached, never quite enoughMay 26 05:26
baronhk[m]While people were tearing up Chicago, instead of having the National Guard out firing off 5.56 at them, Pritzker had them directing traffic so that CPD could sleep on couches.May 26 05:26
baronhk[m]I think they arrested like 13-14 people, something like that. Crowd of hundreds. That sends a message too.May 26 05:27
kakamasucks up movements that should be common sense and good (don't be racist, don't hate gays) and turns them into something else far more radical, which ultimately hurts everyone (especially the marginalized groups they claim to protect)May 26 05:27
baronhk[m]Which is why it will happen this summer.May 26 05:27
buzzerti think you guys are assuming the general public is also not tired of thisMay 26 05:28
kakamanaw they are buzzert May 26 05:28
buzzertyou do not have a minority opinion May 26 05:28
kakamathat's the beautiful trick of these kind of psyops gamesMay 26 05:28
buzzertthis is something social media algorithms do. they make you think you're the only one who thinks a particular way and everyone else is "crazy"May 26 05:28
kakamamanipulate a radical minority and then give them the megaphone, viciously attack anyone who questions the emperor's clothes so that the majority is kept in control via fearMay 26 05:29
baronhk[m]Pretty much. I mean, I think I commented "Try not backing up at the police or pulling a gun on them and you'll probably live." on Facebook.May 26 05:29
baronhk[m]That started a shitstorm.May 26 05:29
kakamain some form this has been repeated throughout history but now it's got that whacky algorithm-content-feed thing happeningMay 26 05:29
baronhk[m]I mean, I don't like dealing with the police. Nobody does. But "this is usually what happens when you fight back".May 26 05:30
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kakamaI almost want it to all be just-as-planned by the Chinese/Russians/US/whoever, that's a nice illusion of someone being in controlMay 26 05:30
baronhk[m]They're in control of what they want to be in control of.May 26 05:30
baronhk[m]It was cheaper to let some Oakley sunglasses go than pay taxes to put those folks in prison.May 26 05:30
baronhk[m]So they'll escalate.May 26 05:31
XRevan86MinceR: eh, okay thenMay 26 05:31
kakamabut it is more likely to me that the jump iun communications technology, especially the monkey's paw wish of 'algorithims that show you what you want to see', have accelerated the rate at which memes are spread and evolvedMay 26 05:31
kakamaso a number of parties play the game of manipulating the ever-accelerating human psychic field we manifest through communications technology, and the whole thing just goes faster and faster, dangerous memes popping up and getting stuck in peopleMay 26 05:32
baronhk[m]I just updated Tor Browser on my phone.May 26 05:32
baronhk[m]I had the version from August of last year.May 26 05:32
baronhk[m]Somehow, the Guardian Project's repo got unchecked in F-Droid.May 26 05:32
baronhk[m]I don't use it much on my phone so I never noticed.May 26 05:33
kakamastand alone complex shit popping off, acts of terrorism arising because some combination of ideas in a weird bubble trapped and exploded someone into a rampageMay 26 05:33
kakamaand being aware of this does not prevent you from being subject to the forces of it, we're all on this train and none of us are immune to propogandaMay 26 05:34
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buzzertincluding the propaganda that the country is "more divided than ever" ;PMay 26 05:34
kakamabut damn the printing press caused a lot of shit overall for humanityMay 26 05:34
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kakamathis shit is fucking wildMay 26 05:34
kakamayeah we really aren't, there's just radical elements that are encourage dinto being increasingly radicalMay 26 05:35
MinceRthe human species caused a lot of shit overall for this planet :>May 26 05:35
baronhk[m]The Freenode post just gets worse as you keep reading.May 26 05:35
baronhk[m]I haven't read any Soviet newspapers, but I imagine this is what it would read like.May 26 05:36
kakamamaybe because the  Chinese want us to boog so they can sneak up and take Taiwan, maybe because the US gov wants to invoke all radical elements now so they can deal with the problem and eliminate threats to future toltalitarianism, or maybe Larry Paigerank and the Zucc are just kinda assholes with their pandora boxes of curated contentMay 26 05:36
MinceRkakama: but isn't the whole tribe-specific "news"/"facts"/ filter bubble thing relatively new?May 26 05:37
kakamaIt has always existed, but the speed at which memes can spread is fasterMay 26 05:37
kakamaI mean before printing press tech, how long did it take memes to be shared to others?May 26 05:37
buzzerti think things will cool off once people get out of their damn housesMay 26 05:37
buzzertits already happening i thinkMay 26 05:37
kakamahumans having to travel, tell stories, all very manual, musta taken years for some whacky meme that evolved in what they considered a city to propogate to the rest of the countryMay 26 05:38
baronhk[m]<buzzert "i think things will cool off onc"> Being online all day does mean you get sucked into a lot of weird shit.May 26 05:38
buzzertyeap 100%May 26 05:38
alextee[m]huh my channel's been made invite onlyMay 26 05:38
kakamawith each tech burst that process moves faster and faster, and then the whole AI-filter-bubble nonsense just appearedMay 26 05:38
baronhk[m]Facebook doesn't moderate things all that well, so if you really start looking at people's pages, I mean.....May 26 05:39
baronhk[m]This one person was shitting in adult diapers and posting the photos.May 26 05:39
kakamaso the speed at which we share ideas, the number of people who are doing so, all accelerating, if anything the algorithms arose as some inevitable result of this massive conciousness accelerationMay 26 05:39
baronhk[m]And when I reported it, they said it didn't violate their ToS.May 26 05:39
MinceRkakama: i think it wasn't as practical for people to close themselves into an echo chamber of "news" with the spin of their tribe onlyMay 26 05:40
kakamaI sometimes refer to it as a psychic field, not in a mystical sense but idk what else to call it, that emergent property of human conciousness with rapid communicationMay 26 05:40
MinceRthere weren't so many choices for media and the methodology wasn't worked out yetMay 26 05:40
kakamayeah MinceR definitely notMay 26 05:40
buzzerttheres an interesting trend i noticed on twitter. ive spoken to people irl who talk about "friends they know" who are palestinian/trans/black/whatever, but if i press on that relationship a little further it turns out they have never actually met this person ever. they just follow them on twitterMay 26 05:40
buzzertbut they think they're friends in real lifeMay 26 05:40
buzzertit's kind of psychoticMay 26 05:40
buzzertbut its alarmingly commonMay 26 05:41
kakamaadvertisting as a weapon of control only really came about in a major way last centuryMay 26 05:41
kakamabuzzert: I wonder if it's the same kind of people who 15 years ago would mock any of us for having 'internet friends' saying we didn't really know themMay 26 05:41
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-TechrightsBot-tr/ | I just got blocked from FB for using the word Zionist in a conversation with a friend. WTF? : facebookMay 26 05:41
baronhk[m]"during a conversation with friends in a private group, we were discussing the Israel/Palestine issue and then I wrote the word Zionist in the middle of a trivial comment, few seconds later I got the popup saying my account was restricted for 30 days for breaking FB community standards for hate speech"May 26 05:41
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kakamamaybe it's a different crew, might be mostly the older kinds who didn't understand how internet friends worked (real ones like IRC homies etc)May 26 05:42
buzzertkakama: internet friends really meant something different when we were kids (assuming you're from before eternal september)May 26 05:42
baronhk[m] 26 05:42
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Are you OK Facebook? : facebookMay 26 05:42
kakamaI'm not from before First Impact eternal september I'm a 30yoboomerMay 26 05:42
kakamaso I wandered onto rizon when I was 13 or so in the early 2000sMay 26 05:43
alextee[m] 26 05:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | #freenode - MastodonMay 26 05:43
kakamabut the whole social media/iphone shit seems like second impact to meMay 26 05:43
buzzertyeah indeedMay 26 05:44
buzzert2010 was the yearMay 26 05:44
kakamamaybe if you were around for the first time the internet died, idk how it seems in comparisonMay 26 05:44
kakamabut it seems pretty fucking night and day for meMay 26 05:44
buzzerti wasnt, im actually the same age as youMay 26 05:44
kakamaI call it around 2008, since that's when Facebook opened the rainbow bridge for normalfags and the iphone came outMay 26 05:44
kakama>2006: haha your phone connects to wifi and runs windows ur a fucking nerdMay 26 05:44
kakama>2008: haha you don't use the internet on your phone all day? what a nerd!May 26 05:45
kakamashit was weirdMay 26 05:45
baronhk[m]Oh god, yeah, I knew someone with a Windows CE phone.May 26 05:45
buzzertiphone 3gs i think was when it reached escape velocityMay 26 05:45
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MinceRsecondo impacto :>May 26 05:47
MinceRi had a winblows mobile 5 phone after my palmos pda bricked itself and before i switched to symbian :>May 26 05:47
buzzertis there any going back?May 26 05:47
buzzertpeople start hating their smartphones maybe?May 26 05:47
MinceRafter symbian i went to androidMay 26 05:48
kakamafor me it was the HTC WizardMay 26 05:51
kakamaWindows Mobile 5.1May 26 05:51
MinceRsame for meMay 26 05:51
MinceR(Wizard 200, as Qtek 9100)May 26 05:51
kakama5. fucking 1, windows was in the smartphone game, but so retarded as to be like 'yeah so the start menu is just really tiny cuz it is mobile'May 26 05:51
kakamaCingular 8125 branding hereMay 26 05:52
MinceRwell, it was better than "windows phone"May 26 05:52
MinceRit had multitasking, copy/paste, sideloadingMay 26 05:52
kakamaoverclocked that bitch so it burned my hand but I could emulate GBA games and play Pokemon Sapphire at 97% emulation speedMay 26 05:52
MinceRtoo bad alarms didn't work reliably and eventually it decided it won't even tether reliablyMay 26 05:52
kingoffrancekakama, yeah, the memes get reversed everya few months.  OMG you only have internet friends?   OMG you aren't on facebook.   and the phone wifi thing.  one minute its lame. next its the norm     May 26 05:53
buzzertwindows phone was good, actuallyMay 26 05:53
kakamawindows mobile was nice to develop forMay 26 05:53
kakamaemulator was goodMay 26 05:53
kakamaI wouldn't say every few months kingoffrance, it felt like only weird kids spent all their time online and then over the course of 2008 that flipped and everyone was online (and bad at it)May 26 05:54
kingoffrancewell, the reversals are amsuing   OMG you want amazon to spy on you.    OMG you dont have alexa.      May 26 05:54
kingoffrancecritical mass or some suchMay 26 05:54
kakamayeah that part is so shittyMay 26 05:54
MinceRlolMay 26 05:54
kakamauniversal surveillance stateMay 26 05:54
kakamaonly protected by the fact that the various companies and governments are fighting each other too much to combine their data into hedgemonyMay 26 05:55
kakamafor nowMay 26 05:55
kakamabut we all live here knowing full well that one day the algorithm will be fed every IRC log on us it can find, every piece of social media data that others have put up about us, and, Allah forgive me but I do use Discord quite heavily since those retards can't figure out how to IRCMay 26 05:55
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kakamait'll have our numberMay 26 05:56
kakamacan't outsmart it, can't surprise it, The Beast will know us each better than we know ourselvesMay 26 05:56
kakamadown to the subtleties of aggregated averages and personal manifestations of 'if I change the next song to a slightly different one it will encourage a behavior path'May 26 05:57
kingoffrancemost the tv news does this too  .  the internet is a network of trolls and bloggers/fake journalists.    (without any irony whatsoever, 2 minutes later) find us on twitter, visit our forumsMay 26 05:57
kakamagigantic algorithims that emerged from our collective conciousness and desire, creating from themselves something we have yet to see and may never grasp, and those algorithims all mindlessly working with the singular design intent of 'be good at manipulating humans'May 26 05:58
kakamamanipulating us into happiness, in the best case, but not the usual caseMay 26 05:59
kakamait's all so tiresomeMay 26 05:59
kingoffrancetheres a great comic MinceR posted long time ago (or just the site) if i can find itMay 26 06:01
kingoffranceperson orders a meal and/or drink.  restaurant/bartender gives something else.   on average, ppl are happy with this lolMay 26 06:03
kingoffrancestatistically, thats what you ordered lolMay 26 06:04
kakamaperson walks into a restaurant. the bartender has bartended for everyone who ever went to a bar and can tell from the way person walks, looks around, bobs their head, music playing, time of day, weather, venus in transit etc that person will order Drink 3 or Drink 7; resources to make Drink 7 cost the bar more, so bartender starts to prepare Drink 3. Bartender smiles and hums a tune while handing over May 26 06:09
kakamathe menu, knowing a chain of thought associations will steer person into ordering Drink 3.May 26 06:09
kingoffrancewell many places have those little tablet thing menus and to pay im sure it will get thereMay 26 06:10
kakamaPerson orders Drink 3, the bartender brings it out with a smile. Person thinks they made a set of decisions.  Bartender made better profit/resource allocation.  The End.May 26 06:10
kingoffrancematter of time how "suggestive" the menus become once its on a little tabletMay 26 06:10
kingoffranceor how "personalized"May 26 06:11
kakamaAfterword: Person sips on Drink 3, looking at all the people drinking the ever popular Drink 1, and thinks to themself 'what a bunch of sheep'May 26 06:11
kakamayea I realllly hate the smartphone menu trendMay 26 06:11
kakamaI have been one of those flipphone autists for a few years, ultimately forced into smartphone by stuff like work/2fa, and then corona stuff eliminating paperMay 26 06:12
kakamahaving done several recent years without a smartphone, man, they sure do make it trucky as fuckMay 26 06:13
kakamaa handful of things still have the papersystems in place, like public transit, but they're trying to delete it, and every hobo has a smartphone because you can get them for 10 bucks at 7/11May 26 06:13
kakamaultimately it introduced a bunch of inconveniences and scenarios that had all the vibe of the numerous Seinfeld episodes that could have been prevented with a cell phoneMay 26 06:14
kakamaat least I could generally ask anyone over 50 for directions and they would give step by step stuff, not being conditioned to use MapsMay 26 06:15
kakamabut really it's made impossible, not even for nefarious reasons mostly, just convenience, for nowMay 26 06:15
techrights-ipfs ▕  IPFS downstream, 60 mins: ▄▅▆▆▅▃▄▄▄▆▁▂▅▄▆▅▁▂▄▅▃▅▃▅▃▁▄▄▅▆▆▄▇▆▇▁ avg(k/sec) 22.53 ▕  IPFS upstream: ▁▁▁▃▁▂▄▁▂▂█▂▃▁▂▂█▁▄▂▁▁▂▃▁▃▁▂▁▁▂▃▁▂▂▁ avg(k/sec) 57.63▕ swarm size (avg): 230.72  ⟲May 26 06:16
kingoffrancelast i saw few years ago there where still pay phones. just the phone book is gone, the receiver is missing, there's just a dangling cable lolMay 26 06:16
kakamaTed was right about the inevitability of progress crushing us and being turned against us, but his conclusions were irrational and even he admitted as much: destroy industrial society and it would inevitably rise again, because that's the direction evolution takesMay 26 06:16
kingoffrancei was in some areas without reception, good luck with the "pay phones" lolMay 26 06:16
kakamaI looked long and hard for payphones, most that are listed were cut out long agoMay 26 06:16
kakama>there used to be a cool analog self-powered hardwired talkboxes all over the place and now they're goneMay 26 06:17
kakamapart of the telephone system benefit is also that it always works, towers go down in a disaster and phones are cut, if the line still makes it to a payphone that bitch will dialMay 26 06:18
kakamathough they were not very good at spying on you, not like the horrid little pocket computersMay 26 06:19
kakamait's all depressing but when I am optimistic I like to think that the battle between freedom and slavery is just part of that eternal battle of good and evil most religions and philosophies acknowledgedMay 26 06:21
buzzertamenMay 26 06:21
kakamaGood things are turned against us, but new things come out, people keep fighting, as long as we're not destroyed by some incredibly terrible meme I think there's a chance we can do okMay 26 06:22
techrights-bot#Techrights Bulletin for Tuesday, May 25, 2021 full archive: #gnu #linux #freesw #plaintextMay 26 06:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Bulletin ArchivesMay 26 06:47
techrights-bot#Techrights full #IPFS index updated just now available as plain text @ #dweb #sharingMay 26 06:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Techrights Full IPFS IndexMay 26 06:47
schestowitzXRevan86: we did not pick a horseMay 26 06:53
schestowitzwe just stayed where we have been for over 13 yearsMay 26 06:53
schestowitzXRevan86: also, tweets are not sourcesMay 26 06:53
schestowitzthey're random thoughtsMay 26 06:53
*tagglink is now known as justsayingMay 26 06:54
techrights-botKevin E. Noonan keeps on pushing for #patents on life and nature as if they're inventions; greed clouds people's judgement if not their sanity. The #patent system became like a religion for some people, a religion where only money is worshipped. 26 06:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Patent Docs: CVC Files Reply to Broad's Opposition to CVC's Priority MotionMay 26 06:56
techrights-botWith about 70k online users, #freenode doesn't seem to have suffered much from the previous volunteers' exit. The predictions of doom and gloom are motivated by personal objectives of some people. People who are sometimes hypocrites too, and can be accused of what they accuse others of.May 26 06:57
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techrights-botAll the #microsoft propaganda sites help Microsoft googlebomb the word "LINUX" to promote #windows #vista10 ... it's grotesque and instead of #linuxfoundation stepping in to protect the trademark they liaised with the enemy, looking to undermine Linux. Linux Foundation is defunct.May 26 07:00
schestowitzthe anti-RMS lobby 26 07:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Ubuntu Fridge | Announcing Ubuntu’s move to Libera ChatMay 26 07:01
schestowitzsame peopleMay 26 07:01
MinceRmicrosoft controls LF, so of course they won't have it enforced against themselves :>May 26 07:01
schestowitzactually, this one is not in the anti-RMS letterMay 26 07:04
schestowitzoh, wait, he usMay 26 07:05
schestowitz"José Antonio Rey (Ubuntu Community Council, freenode Staff)"May 26 07:05
techrights-botThe very same people who tried to cancel the founder of #gnu #linux now try to cancel #freenode and forcibly move everyone off the network without as much as a consultation with users. Yes, José Antonio Rey, I'm looking at you...May 26 07:06
techrights-bot...the very same people who promote Microsoft WSL instead of Ubuntu are now making decisions for Ubuntu. #microsoft #vista10 #wsl #entryism #ubuntuMay 26 07:07
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techrights-bot"WGS84 (also written WGS 84) is short for World Geodetic System 1984. It's the spatial standard used by most GPS receivers to calculate their position on the Earth's surface." 26 07:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | The Incrementing Fill-Down ErrorMay 26 07:09
techrights-bot● NEWS ● #GRsearch #Programming ☞ In praise of -dry-run 26 07:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | In praise of --dry-run | G ResearchMay 26 07:11
techrights-bot● NEWS ● #NewYorkTimes #Health ☞ Why Billionaires Like #BillGates Can’t Fix the Problems They Helped Create 26 07:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Opinion | Why Did We Think Bill and Melinda Gates Could Fix the World? - The New York TimesMay 26 07:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Bill Gates Met With Jeffrey Epstein Many Times, Despite His Past - The New York TimesMay 26 07:12
techrights-bot● NEWS ● #CyberScoop #ProprietarySoftware ☞ Ransomware forced #Bose systems offline, exposed personal data of 6 former employees 26 07:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Ransomware forced Bose systems offline, exposed personal data of 6 former employees - CyberScoopMay 26 07:13
techrights-bot● NEWS ● #TheVerge #Privacy #Surveillance ☞ #Apple employees are going public about workplace issues — and there’s no going back 26 07:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Apple employees are going public about workplace issues — and there’s no going back - The VergeMay 26 07:13
techrights-bot● NEWS ● #NYOB #Privacy #Surveillance ☞ Statement: 3rd Anniversary of the #GDPR 26 07:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Statement: 3rd Anniversary of the GDPRMay 26 07:14
techrights-bot● NEWS ● #EDRI #Privacy #Surveillance ☞ FLoC: Google’s new means of following you across the web 26 07:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | FLoC: Google's new means of following you across the web - European Digital Rights (EDRi)May 26 07:14
techrights-botGoing to publish shortly: The EPO's War on Justice and Assault on the Law -- Part 20: Summing upMay 26 07:15
techrights-ipfs ▕  IPFS downstream, 60 mins: ▆▆▂▅▆▅▆▃▁▅▁▆▄▅▃▃▅▃▄▃▇▂▃▅▆▆▅▄▅▄▅▂▅▅▁ avg(k/sec) 21.28 ▕  IPFS upstream: ▂▂█▂▂▂▂▃▁█▁█▂▂▂▂▁▄▃▁▂▁▂▃▂▂▃▂▃▁▂▂▃▁ avg(k/sec) 44.26▕ swarm size (avg): 230.76  ⟲May 26 07:16
techrights-bot● NEWS ● #CNN #Privacy #Surveillance ☞ Drug dealer jailed after sharing a photo of cheese that included his fingerprints 26 07:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Drug dealer jailed after sharing a photo of cheese that included his fingerprints - CNNMay 26 07:44
techrights-bot● NEWS ● #ForeignPolicy #Privacy #Surveillance ☞ Russia’s Surveillance State Struggles to Wean Itself Off the West 26 07:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Russia’s Surveillance State Struggles to Wean Itself Off Western-Made ComponentsMay 26 07:44
techrights-bot[Old] #LOC has a copy of #Groklaw - Digging for Truth 26 07:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Groklaw - Digging for Truth | Library of CongressMay 26 07:46
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techrights-botThe EPO’s War on #Justice and Assault on the #Law — Part 20: Summing up #EPO #patents #corruptionMay 26 08:00
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | The EPO’s War on Justice and Assault on the Law — Part 20: Summing up | TechrightsMay 26 08:00
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techrights-bot● [Old] ● #TheHayride ☞ At What Point Do We Realize #BillGates Is Dangerously Insane? 26 08:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | At What Point Do We Realize Bill Gates Is Dangerously Insane?May 26 08:11
techrights-botThe Golden Decision #epo #corruption #sweden #patents #kangaroocourtsMay 26 08:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | The Golden Decision | TechrightsMay 26 08:15
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techrights-bot𝕋𝕖𝕔𝕙𝕣𝕚𝕘𝕙𝕥𝕤 #IRC Proceedings: Tuesday, May 25, 2021 • 𝔗𝔢𝔠𝔥𝔯𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔰 ⚓ ䷉ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW | ♾ Gemini address: gemini:// 26 08:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | IRC Proceedings: Tuesday, May 25, 2021 | TechrightsMay 26 08:21
techrights-bot"Not only has the opponent not (explicitly) consented to the use of VICO for oral proceedings before the EBA, but they have requested postponement of the proceedings scheduled for 28 May AND raised further objections to the composition of the EBA." 26 08:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | EPO responds to accusations of perceived bias in G1/21 (ViCo oral proceedings) - The IPKatMay 26 08:23
techrights-bot"It shouldn't have taken all that fuss for them to realise the non-impartiality situation." #epo #corruption #patents see 26 08:24
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | EPO responds to accusations of perceived bias in G1/21 (ViCo oral proceedings) - The IPKatMay 26 08:24
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schestowitzgm, KindOneMay 26 09:01
techrights-bot● NEWS ● #VOANews ☞ Airlines Avoid Belarusian Airspace over Plane Diversion, Arrest of Journalist be sure to mention the #hypocrisy , due to #snowden and #boliviaMay 26 09:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Airlines Avoid Belarusian Airspace over Plane Diversion, Arrest of Journalist | Voice of America - EnglishMay 26 09:04
techrights-bot● NEWS ● #NPR ☞ 3 Reasons Why The Arrest Of A Journalist By #Belarus Is Troubling but US + #EU did this to #snowden ... for exposing crimes.May 26 09:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | 3 Reasons Why The Arrest Of A Journalist By Belarus Is TroublingMay 26 09:04
techrights-bot">Air France, Finnair and Singapore Airlines became the latest carriers to suspend flights over #Belarus " 26 09:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Air France among airlines suspending flights over Belarus as EU seeks to punish MinskMay 26 09:04
techrights-bot● NEWS ● #France24 #burma ☞ US journalist detained in #Myanmar while trying to board flight home 26 09:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | US journalist detained in Myanmar while trying to board flight homeMay 26 09:05
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techrights-botA half-hour video about the #epo is being uploaded right now. ETA 2 hours (it's about 200MB).May 26 10:00
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techrights-botI'd say that #techrights biggest contribution all in all is coordination and activism in the area of #patent #law rather than anything #freesw related, maybe because we're one of the few if not last remaining to properly do soMay 26 10:01
techrights-botI was JUST about to record another long video about #freenode but then decided NOT to. Because 1) I don't want to 'bash' past volunteers ("staff") who kept the network going and 2) we need to move on. Any further bickering distracts us from real work and harms the #freesw cause. Move on, folks. Back to work!May 26 10:03
techrights-bot● NEWS ● #Techdirt ☞ Employees Are Feeling Burned Over Broken Work-From-Home Promises As Employers Try To Bring Them Back To The Office 26 10:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Employees Are Feeling Burned Over Broken Work-From-Home Promises As Employers Try To Bring Them Back To The Office | TechdirtMay 26 10:03
techrights-botIn the company where I've worked for over a decade everyone started working from home last year in March, but there was never "back to the Office"... in fact, the Office was shut down permanently in July. We saw no need for it anymore. Many companies are the same, giving false promises based on hopes.May 26 10:05
techrights-bot#microsoft #windows TCO 26 10:06
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Techdirt Podcast Episode 284: How To Think About Cybersecurity | TechdirtMay 26 10:06
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techrights-bot#epo scandal unfolding; two more days before the hearings start 'online'... it's illegal and we need to get people online 'involved', commenting and protesting this; EPO does NOT want people to watch this because the more people know, the more angry they become. See series: 26 10:09
techrights-bot#IBM is a dying company. Quit while (or if) you can. #redhatMay 26 10:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | IBM: Cutting 'Redundant' Jobs Is 'Permanent' Business Model, Says EmailMay 26 10:10
techrights-bot"Horrible Company #IBM ..I dedicated 20 years of service to them. I took callouts nonstop all hours also worked on shift whenever needed. After 20 years they moved me to another position then layed me off within 2 months" 26 10:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Leaked IBM email says cutting 'redundant' jobs is a 'permanent and ongoing' part of its business model - post regarding IBM layoffsMay 26 10:11
techrights-bot"Garbage in...garbage out. IBM hires and fires. No lotalty to you as an employee. Youd be crazy to go there. You will not last a year." #ibm #layoffs rumoured to be announced tomorrow. 26 10:12
techrights-bot#IBM "Analytics and Clown reported small pockets of growth in the 'strategic areas' but overall they were down as well... which explains a lot of the recent RA activity there. If the finance people don't see the money rolling in to pay for all the work being done - they cut expense ( people ) until they reach the revenue/expense:profit ratio they are trying to maintain." 26 10:13
techrights-bot#IBM #layoffs accelerated since IBM sort of abandoned #freesw and #opendocument -type causes, choosing instead Ginny's hard-on for #apple ... "This is so true and so obvious - it's been like this since 2006 and after. It's all about cutting cost, and if you need to save a few thousands by letting go someone, you'll do it. The firm lost it's ability to plan for the future." 26 10:14
techrights-bot"The startup’s culture was upbeat with friendly coworkers and there is more work life balance than at IBM." #ibm is nowadays attacking the founder of #gnu #linux while sucking up to and propping up #microsoft ... how can we condone this?! 26 10:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | How do you cope in the new companies? - post regarding IBM layoffsMay 26 10:16
techrights-botAccording to this, we can expect #ibm layoffs articles by week's end. A wave, not a trickle. 26 10:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | How are we looking on layoffs? - post regarding IBM layoffsMay 26 10:18
techrights-bot"Are they going to announce after the latest round of RAs are gone tomorrow?" #ibm is a state of turmoil, and I expect media (not those 'journalists' bribed by IBM for puff pieces and ads) to say something about it very soon. 26 10:19
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | WATSON HEALTH - post regarding IBM layoffsMay 26 10:19
techrights-bot"Yes, don't be afraid to say no when you are legitimately too busy and remember to leave the feedback to #IBM when appropriate timing comes. And do it professionally and constructively. My old manager is now axed." 26 10:20
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | How to prioritize work when everything is urgent? - post regarding IBM layoffsMay 26 10:20
techrights-botWhile #thelayoff boards for #ibm are mostly rumours and unverified hearsay they often turn out to be true, and they're mostly composed by insiders and former insiders. In #techrights we don't cover gossip, but it helps to know in advance what announcements are in the pipeline. #redhat impacted.May 26 10:22
techrights-botThe announcement from #canonical or #ubuntu saying leave #freenode is composed by someone who lobbied to CANCEL the #fsf or the founder of #gnu #linux ... and published in the official blog by a Microsoft booster (now inside Canonical).May 26 10:23
techrights-bot#ibm is NOT your friend. #rms is, even if you don't know it (yet) 26 10:24
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | IBM and RMS Are Not Compatible | TechrightsMay 26 10:24
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cow_2001uhMay 26 10:26
cow_2001absolutely not. lee's a cunt.May 26 10:26
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schestowitz?May 26 10:27
schestowitzcome inMay 26 10:27
schestowitzinsuktMay 26 10:27
schestowitzleaveMay 26 10:27
schestowitzhow tameMay 26 10:27
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techrights-bot● NEWS ● #TorrentFreak #copyright #copyrights ☞ Sale of Pirate Streaming Devices Declared Illegal By #Malaysia IP High Court 26 10:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Sale of Pirate Streaming Devices Declared Illegal By Malaysia IP High Court * TorrentFreakMay 26 10:39
techrights-bot● NEWS ● #TorrentFreak #copyright #copyrights ☞ Scammers Use European Union Website to Promote Pirate Streaming Portals 26 10:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Scammers Use European Union Website to Promote Pirate Streaming Portals * TorrentFreakMay 26 10:39
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techrights-bot● NEWS ● #RaspberryPi #RasPi #GNU #Linux ☞ Hide a huge arcade machine in plain sight with Raspberry Pi 26 10:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Hide a huge arcade machine in plain sight with Raspberry Pi - Raspberry PiMay 26 10:46
techrights-bot10 Most Used #GNULinux Distributions of All Time • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ #GNU #Linux #TuxMachinesMay 26 10:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | 10 Most Used Linux Distributions of All Time | Tux MachinesMay 26 10:58
techrights-bot#HowTo Use #Ubuntu System Monitor • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ #GNU #Linux #TuxMachinesMay 26 10:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | How To Use Ubuntu System Monitor | Tux MachinesMay 26 10:58
techrights-bot#Foliate – simple and modern #GTK eBook viewer • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ #GNU #Linux #TuxMachinesMay 26 10:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Foliate – simple and modern GTK eBook viewer | Tux MachinesMay 26 10:58
techrights-bot#CANPico open-source board adds CAN Bus to #RaspberryPi Pico • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ #GNU #Linux #TuxMachinesMay 26 10:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | CANPico open-source board adds CAN Bus to Raspberry Pi Pico | Tux MachinesMay 26 10:58
techrights-botiophk: removal of #Microsoft products from the work place ought to be a G7 agenda item 26 11:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Risky Biz Feature Podcast: The politics of cybersecurity - Risky BusinessMay 26 11:05
techrights-bot● NEWS ● #CommonDreams #Monopolies ☞ DC Attorney General Sues #Amazon for Alleged Monopolistic #PriceFixing 26 11:06
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | DC Attorney General Sues Amazon for Alleged Monopolistic Price-Fixing | Common Dreams NewsMay 26 11:06
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techrights-bot"I did the same last month... #IBM is c r a p. I would encourage more IBMers to look elsewhere, The job market is great at this point, it is a good time to switch companies." 26 11:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | I'm about to hand in my resignation - post regarding IBM layoffsMay 26 11:27
techrights-bot"Now, I can already hear some IBMers commenting that they are overworked... that is BS!!" 26 11:28
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | How do you cope in the new companies? - post regarding IBM layoffsMay 26 11:28
techrights-bot"it is all about claim codes at IBM... don't do any work unless you can charge it... it does not matter if it is an internal or external claim code. No claim code = no work." 26 11:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Show everything you know? - post regarding IBM layoffsMay 26 11:29
techrights-bot" #IBM will end up only as a mainframe company... Once the Execs figure out that Red Hat is not working out, they will jettison it for some $$$. Then they will tell you they just re-invented the IBM company as THE mainframe company!!!" 26 11:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Systems is next NewCo - post regarding IBM layoffsMay 26 11:29
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techrights-botThey Don't Want Us to Hear... #haar #munich #corruption #epo #patentsMay 26 11:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | They Don’t Want Us to Hear… | TechrightsMay 26 11:45
techrights-botThe #litigation treadmill, including lawyers who promote European #softwarepatents , may have fully taken control of the courts that decide on such matters through #Josefsson and his circle • 𝔗𝔢𝔠𝔥𝔯𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔰 ⚓ ䷉ #Techrights | ♾ Gemini address: gemini:// 26 11:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | The EPO’s War on Justice and Assault on the Law — Part 20: Summing up | TechrightsMay 26 11:47
techrights-botPure gold, a heavy metal, guides the gavel of the judge from #Sweden and his peanut gallery which undermines justice The Golden Decision • 𝔗𝔢𝔠𝔥𝔯𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔰 ⚓ ䷉ #Techrights #EPO #boa #haar | ♾ Gemini address: gemini:// 26 11:48
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | The Golden Decision | TechrightsMay 26 11:48
techrights-bot#Google #Android Leftovers • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ #Linux #TuxMachinesMay 26 11:50
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Android Leftovers | Tux MachinesMay 26 11:50
techrights-bot#HarmonyOS is now been confirmed to launch in early June • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ #TuxMachinesMay 26 11:50
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | HarmonyOS is now been confirmed to launch in early June | Tux MachinesMay 26 11:50
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techrights-botThe rushed hearings in Haar (actually, not even #Haar but people’s homes, facilitated by American companies that spy) will commence in a couple of days #epo #corruption #patents #surveillanceMay 26 11:55
techrights-bot"This is the problem. It beggars belief that Mr Josefsson thought it might be appropriate for him to sit on the board in this case. The decision has already been made." see 26 11:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | EPO responds to accusations of perceived bias in G1/21 (ViCo oral proceedings) - The IPKatMay 26 11:56
techrights-botPushing the racist lie that countries cannot produce their own #vaccines using the knowledge and #patent waivers. Probably posted by some #patents person, who profits from the monopolistic cartel. 26 11:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Vaccine platforms and limited global production capacity: what is to be done? - The IPKatMay 26 11:58
techrights-bot#ibm is dead man walking 26 12:00
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | IBM Cloud resets ‘Days Since Last Major Incident’ clock to zero – after just five days • The RegisterMay 26 12:00
techrights-bot#ibm : "I'm about to hand in my resignation" comments to come. This is less than an hour old.May 26 12:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | I'm about to hand in my resignation - post regarding IBM layoffsMay 26 12:01
techrights-botWhere this week's #ibm #layoffs are expected to hit: 26 12:02
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | How are we looking on layoffs? - post regarding IBM layoffsMay 26 12:02
techrights-bot"Never handle more than a single task at the time. Man was never built to multi-task." 26 12:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | How to prioritize work when everything is urgent? - post regarding IBM layoffsMay 26 12:03
saint_dogberthola May 26 12:04
techrights-bot#ibm is 'headless chicken' corporation. Ask insiders. They know...May 26 12:05
schestowitzsaint_dogbert: olaMay 26 12:05
saint_dogbertHow goes it, sir?May 26 12:05
techrights-botThe latest edit/commit in the petition to destory the #fsf by ousting #rms and everyone who supports RMS was a month ago. #ibm employee.May 26 12:06
schestowitzgood, saint_dogbertMay 26 12:06
schestowitzwe hope for more calm and focusMay 26 12:06
saint_dogbertUnderstood... no hot topics from me today then :DMay 26 12:07
techrights-botThere's no such thing as "patent rights" (they are not rights), it seems like a series of 'plugs' for advertisers (law firms), but at least Amy Sandys isn't just copy-pasting #TeamUPC lies for now, and not just copy-pasting the whole "news" section of #EPO management anymore. #Journalism is in a dreadful, appalling state. 26 12:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Negotiating borders: the UK patent market on life after Lugano - JUVE PatentMay 26 12:09
techrights-botBillionaire-owned media (Murdoch) as megaphone for the #patent #cartel instead of voice for the ill and powerless see 26 12:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Covid-19 Vaccine Makers Press Countries to Oppose Patent Waiver - WSJMay 26 12:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | While the Poor Get Sick, Bill Gates Just Gets Richer | The NationMay 26 12:11
techrights-botFiled under "article", but it's not an article but a stream of self-promotional, self-serving lies from "Chloe Flower on behalf of The Chartered Institute of Patent Attorneys." #CIPA promotes criminals like #Battistelli to advance an illegal treaty. #TheChemicalEngineer is clearly a #propaganda outlet, not for chemical engineers but for predators. 26 12:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 404 @ )May 26 12:14
techrights-botHow many times last year did Charlotte Kilpatrick promote 'junk' #patents by means of advancing intentional lies from #TeamUPC h We've lost count... but xenophobic race-baiting suits them better. As if the lawless #EPO is any better than #China any longer. 26 12:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | End of China subsidy will mean fewer ‘junk’ patents | Managing Intellectual PropertyMay 26 12:17
techrights-botHow about this for ‘junk’ #patents from #EPO h 26 12:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Stupid European Patent: Hairdressing Salon and Mobile Building for the Same | TechrightsMay 26 12:18
schestowitz[12:07] <saint_dogbert> Understood... no hot topics from me today then :DMay 26 12:19
schestowitzI take that as a clue that you were going to comment on some Internet protocol ;-)May 26 12:19
saint_dogberteh, just discussing what may be in the near future for the USA with someone in here last nightMay 26 12:20
saint_dogbertso figured its better to leave that topic at the door today :DMay 26 12:20
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techrights-botLOL. Now there are #patents on #POOP collection. Stay classy... 26 12:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-A new smear campaign could solve an 80-year-old Tel Aviv problem - Israel News - Haaretz.comMay 26 12:21
schestowitzsaint_dogbert: ah, I see...May 26 12:22
schestowitzwell, I wait for the whole 'IRC war' to blow overMay 26 12:22
schestowitzand we can all get back to coding and stuffMay 26 12:22
saint_dogbertHopefully its either on cease fire or at an end now May 26 12:23
techrights-botMalicious and dishonest #patent law firms can't help themselves; they keep borrowing meaningless buzzwords like "Hey Hi" to leverage shallow spin for illegal #swpats or #softwarepatents " the effects of automation and AI." Oh, hi! HEY HI!May 26 12:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | The impact of digitalization, automation and AI on Intellectual PropertyMay 26 12:25
schestowitzsaint_dogbert: no posts I can see in RSS feeds so far todayMay 26 12:25
schestowitzso it's cooling downMay 26 12:25
schestowitzFSF will discuss it later todayMay 26 12:26
schestowitzPIA was the FSF's biggest sponsor last year 26 12:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | FSF patrons during fiscal year 2020 — Free Software Foundation — Working together for free softwareMay 26 12:26
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techrights-botMedia Colluding With #EPO Autocrats Who Break the Law, Aiming to Mislead the Public #corruption #munich #de #patentsMay 26 12:53
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Media Colluding With EPO Autocrats Who Break the Law, Aiming to Mislead the Public | TechrightsMay 26 12:53
techrights-botEPO's words are revealing. They already know the outcome of the case, with the kangaroo court set up MONTHS in advance. See article and video in 26 12:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | They Don’t Want Us to Hear… | TechrightsMay 26 12:54
techrights-botCourts outsourced to the US in order for them to decide whether courts being outsourced to the US are a legally valid construct. Let that sink in… • 𝔗𝔢𝔠𝔥𝔯𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔰 ⚓ ䷉ #Techrights #EPO #patents #europe #corruption | ♾ Gemini address: gemini:// 26 13:03
techrights-botGabriel Cánepa seems to think that publishing 'new' article means changing the date of an article from 3 years ago, then RE-posting. Sign. #tecmint keeps doing this... 26 13:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | 10 Most Used Linux Distributions of All TimeMay 26 13:04
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techrights-bot#canonical and Mark S (MS) in particular should be careful not to put #ubuntu in the hands of people whose unhidden objective is to demolish the #fsf and CANCEL the very FOUNDER of the #gnu #linux operating system. Because that's what's happening...May 26 13:06
techrights-botThe faster method has something to do with a toilet bowl and a handle that flushes 10 litres of water 26 13:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | How to Remotely Disable Apple Pay - Make Tech EasierMay 26 13:07
techrights-botmintCast 361.5 - X2Joe - mintCast ⚓ ䷉ #mintcast #gnu #linuxMay 26 13:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | mintCast 361.5 – X2Joe – mintCastMay 26 13:08
techrights-bot#berrybrew version 1.34 released! #perl #programmingMay 26 13:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-berrybrew version 1.34 released! | Steve Bertrand []May 26 13:09
techrights-bot#SteamPal – Valve’s New Take on Handheld PCs in 2021? hopefully will be #gnu #linux based just like #steamOS which is basically #debian with DRM addedMay 26 13:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | SteamPal - Valve's New Take on Handheld PCs in 2021? - Boiling SteamMay 26 13:12
techrights-bot" #IBM Cloud has now had ten significant issues (since April 3)" 26 13:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | IBM Cloud resets ‘Days Since Last Major Incident’ clock to zero – after just five days - post regarding IBM layoffsMay 26 13:14
techrights-bot"WAIT don't do it yet - wait a few days to see if you get RA with package. Free money if you are already heading out the door." #ibm #layoffs with compensation, says this comment, may be days ago. 26 13:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | I'm about to hand in my resignation - post regarding IBM layoffsMay 26 13:15
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techrights-bot#fedora "clown". Now they call #gnu #linux distros after buzzwords and hype. Remember when Fedora (Moonshine IIRC, version 14) was a flying baloon? 26 13:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Fedora Cloud 35 Looking To Use The Btrfs File-System By Default - PhoronixMay 26 13:17
techrights-bot#fedora "clown". Now they call #gnu #linux distros after buzzwords and hype. Remember when Fedora (Moonshine IIRC, version 14) was a flying balloon? 26 13:17
techrights-botMore "clown" this morning #redhat #ibmMay 26 13:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-6 exciting new ShellHub features to look for in 2021 | Opensource.comMay 26 13:18
techrights-bot#ibm #redhat writing about three-letter (read: grossly overpaid) job titles more than technical stuff. 26 13:19
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Digital transformation: 11 skills CIOs need to get it done | The Enterprisers ProjectMay 26 13:19
techrights-bot#Btrfs vs #Ext4 - Functionalities, Strengths, and Weaknesses ⚓ ䷉ #linoxide #linux | more in 26 13:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Btrfs vs Ext4 - Functionalities, Strengths, and WeaknessesMay 26 13:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Social Control Media PostsMay 26 13:21
techrights-bot"The #BLAKE3 high performance crypto hashing function that is much speedier than MD5, SHA-1/SHA-2/SHA-3, and the former #BLAKE2 , is nearing its v1.0 release for its official Rust and C implementations." 26 13:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-BLAKE3 Cryptographic Hash Implementation Preparing For v1.0 Release - PhoronixMay 26 13:22
techrights-botInstead of helping to cure #cancer the #EPO just keeps dishing out more #monopolies see 26 13:24
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Immutep Granted Chinese Patent For Eftilagimod Alpha InMay 26 13:24
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Insensitivity at the EPO’s Management – Part II: Patent Office as a Cancer | TechrightsMay 26 13:24
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techrights-botHow I monitor my greenhouse with #CircuitPython and open source tools | ⚓ ䷉ #FreeSW #RedHat #IBMMay 26 13:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-How I monitor my greenhouse with CircuitPython and open source tools | Opensource.comMay 26 13:26
techrights-bot#BigBlueButton with Two Ways Screen Sharing ⚓ ䷉ #UbuntuBuzz #GNU #Linux | more in 26 13:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | BigBlueButton with Two Ways Screen SharingMay 26 13:27
techrights-botRed Hat 1990s: engineering/engineers 2000s: users 2010: user experience (UX cargo cult, even if #systemd does nothing for users) 2021: CUSTOMER experience: 26 13:28
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | How to measure customer experience: 3 tips | The Enterprisers ProjectMay 26 13:28
techrights-botTheory: #microsoft #qualcomm media spam earlier this week timed/designed to distract from something like this? 26 13:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | First Armv9 cores unveiled - Cortex-A510, Cortex-A710, Cortex-X2 - CNX SoftwareMay 26 13:29
techrights-botGemini reverse proxy taking #geminiProtocol to the next level. #geminiSpace #internetMay 26 13:31
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | [tech] Gemini reverse proxyMay 26 13:31
techrights-bot"An open letter in support of Richard Matthew Stallman being reinstated by the Free Software Foundation" now signed by 6,715 people. Still growing. #rms #fsf #FailedCoup #freesw #gnuMay 26 13:32
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-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Gentoo Freenode channels have been hijacked – Gentoo LinuxMay 26 13:41
schestowitzgm, smnthermesMay 26 13:42
schestowitzthey already left freenodeMay 26 13:42
schestowitzlet's see what they moan about... I am guessing they close their channels thereMay 26 13:42
schestowitzand then they're shocked someone else took overMay 26 13:42
schestowitzgood luck with thatMay 26 13:42
schestowitzdays ago they warned about impersonatorsMay 26 13:43
schestowitzby leaving freenode they have made things worseMay 26 13:43
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techrights-botLOL. People who already (and ALL ALONG) said bad things about #freenode are now trying to stir up drama and act all shocked and surprised by the negative feedback. They have their own interests to peddle...May 26 13:55
techrights-bot#google : #FuchsiaOS is for spying devices. If you hear #Fuchsia think of it as dogwhistle for "WE SPY".May 26 13:56
techrights-bot#gentoo adds to unnecessary drama. Well, they had already left #Freenode and then they're shocked someone else took over; days ago they warned about impersonators and by leaving Freenode they have made things worseMay 26 13:59
alextee[m]well my channel was hijacked as well, and many others like #gcc #riscv etc.May 26 14:00
alextee[m]and the matrix bridges in 300+ channels including mine are now brokenMay 26 14:00
techrights-bot"The web team at Canonical run two-week iterations building and maintaining all of #Canonical websites and product web interfaces." #ubuntuMay 26 14:00
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Design and Web team summary – 26 May 2021 | UbuntuMay 26 14:00
alextee[m]there was no reason to do that and whoever was neutral about freenode will doesn't have much choice left nowMay 26 14:01
schestowitzwait, which network?May 26 14:01
alextee[m] * there was no reason to do that and whoever was neutral about freenode doesn't have much choice left nowMay 26 14:01
schestowitzlibera or freenode?May 26 14:01
alextee[m]the channels were hijacked on freenodeMay 26 14:01
schestowitzby staff?May 26 14:01
alextee[m]any channel that contained the string "libera" in the topicMay 26 14:01
schestowitzor did they leave first?May 26 14:01
alextee[m]yesMay 26 14:01
schestowitzand then someone else stepped in?May 26 14:01
alextee[m]700 or so channels i hearMay 26 14:01
alextee[m]they didn't leave, they just said "we are moving to libera chat" in the topic, like mineMay 26 14:02
alextee[m]and many of them had a grace periodMay 26 14:02
schestowitzso they left and directed people elsewhere?May 26 14:02
alextee[m]some of them didn't leaveMay 26 14:02
schestowitzoh, I see?May 26 14:02
schestowitzso what you say is, mention libera and then you lose the channel?May 26 14:02
alextee[m]some channels were planning to move laterMay 26 14:02
alextee[m]and this move by freenode now just disrupted thatMay 26 14:02
alextee[m]<schestowitz "so what you say is, mention libe"> yes that's what happenedMay 26 14:03
alextee[m]any channel that had "libera" in the t opic was hijacked and closedMay 26 14:03
schestowitzcan you send me some evidence?May 26 14:03
alextee[m]here's a screenshot from mineMay 26 14:03
schestowitztasteless if trueMay 26 14:03
*alextee[m] uploaded an image: (48KiB) < >May 26 14:03
schestowitzalextee[m]: thanks, waitingMay 26 14:03
schestowitzokMay 26 14:03
alextee[m]more evidence about the bridges: 26 14:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | "Freenode has put redirects in place on >325 chann…" -'s MastodonMay 26 14:04
alextee[m](which affected my channel as well)May 26 14:04
schestowitzrasengan: any comment?May 26 14:04
downey[m] 26 14:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | · GitHubMay 26 14:05
schestowitzI heard it was done by "both sides", but either way freenode should not stoop down to this...May 26 14:06
schestowitzdowney[m]: this was mentioned here twice beforeMay 26 14:06
schestowitzanyway, all this tit-for-tat is hard to followMay 26 14:06
schestowitzit's harming everythingMay 26 14:06
schestowitzwhich is why I try not to write any articles about this anymoreMay 26 14:07
downey[m]Rushing to judgement tends to end up that way ...May 26 14:08
alextee[m]so what is saying is correct, the channels did get hijacked in the way shown in my screenshotMay 26 14:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Gentoo Freenode channels have been hijacked – Gentoo LinuxMay 26 14:08
techrights-bot"No surprise there... the IBM Cloud is inferior to all other clouds." Has #ibm not managed to retain #redhat talent? 26 14:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | IBM Cloud resets ‘Days Since Last Major Incident’ clock to zero – after just five days - post regarding IBM layoffsMay 26 14:08
alextee[m]there's more on mastodon if you search by the #freenode tagMay 26 14:08
alextee[m] 26 14:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | #freenode - MastodonMay 26 14:08
schestowitzI don't use social control media to get newsMay 26 14:08
schestowitzit's noise, not newsMay 26 14:08
schestowitznot that "news sites" are that much more reliableMay 26 14:09
alextee[m]there's a lot of screenshots there thoughMay 26 14:09
schestowitzgentoo declared leaving freenode about 2 DAYS agoMay 26 14:09
schestowitzwhich means the freenode channels were rendered placeholdersMay 26 14:09
schestowitzor rather legacyMay 26 14:09
alextee[m]some communities wanted to give users time to migrateMay 26 14:09
schestowitzyeah, understandableMay 26 14:10
schestowitzmaybe they should have thought about leapingMay 26 14:10
schestowitzand what it means to turn channels into mere pointersMay 26 14:10
schestowitzwith everyone on nuteMay 26 14:10
schestowitz*muteMay 26 14:10
schestowitzanyway, huge clusterfsckMay 26 14:10
alextee[m]well now the channels are mere pointers to their ## counterparts on freenode with muteMay 26 14:10
schestowitzwe've averted thisMay 26 14:10
alextee[m]so users stuck there won't be redirected to liberaMay 26 14:10
downey[m]I always understood that once you took your garbage out to the street, your ownership over it was surrenderedMay 26 14:11
alextee[m]as the community owners intendedMay 26 14:11
baronhk[m]"In the US, the Second Amendment provides that American citizens and Lawful Permanent Residents have the right to bear arms, as do most state constitutions, including the one of the state of Illinois.May 26 14:11
baronhk[m]None of them hint that it would be lawful to restrict this right in any manner, but the federal courts have upheld that the federal and state governments have the right to bar people who are convicted felons or are subject to a restraining order.May 26 14:11
baronhk[m]Unfortunately, getting a restraining order is comically simple in the United States. In fact, a woman in Nevada was able to get one against David Letterman once because she believed that he was sending her coded messages through her television set. Under the federal “Violence Against Women Act”, David Letterman couldn’t own a firearm until the restraining order ended. What’s wrong with this picture?"May 26 14:11
schestowitzand moreover the only downside is that some people I could DM before are no longer on this networkMay 26 14:11
schestowitzbut fewMay 26 14:11
schestowitzsome are on both networksMay 26 14:11
baronhk[m]My lead in to the new blog post I'm writing about the dangers of "gun control".May 26 14:11
alextee[m]the only freenode channel I'm in is this one and I'm only here through matrixMay 26 14:11
alextee[m]I don't plan to use freenode againMay 26 14:11
schestowitzthat's okMay 26 14:12
schestowitzanyway, we need stabilityMay 26 14:12
schestowitzall that fighting is harmfulMay 26 14:12
alextee[m]would be interesting to see what fsf/gnu decideMay 26 14:12
schestowitznobody will winMay 26 14:12
schestowitzalextee[m]: meeting later todatyMay 26 14:12
schestowitzcrystalmath will be thereMay 26 14:12
alextee[m]I thought it was tomorrowMay 26 14:12
schestowitz27/5May 26 14:12
schestowitzeven if you are in hawaii, its todayMay 26 14:13
baronhk[m]Ooops, New Mexico, not Nevada. Remembered it wrong.May 26 14:13
alextee[m]Thursday, May 27 from 13:00-14:30 EDT (17:00-18:30 UTC)May 26 14:13
baronhk[m]Plus, CNN was the source and they deleted the article, but the Wayback Machine has it.May 26 14:13
alextee[m]it's 26 today lolMay 26 14:13
schestowitzah, my bad...May 26 14:13
schestowitzmaybe I saw it after midnight and misreadMay 26 14:13
schestowitz 26 14:14
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schestowitzbut right from the get-go he spoke out against freenodeMay 26 14:14
cybrNautbaronhk[m]> My lead in to the new blog post I'm writing about the dangers of "gun control". <= LOL.  much easier to write about the dangers of gun uncontrolMay 26 14:14
schestowitzfrom day 0May 26 14:14
schestowitzalso tried to cancel Torvalds and RMSMay 26 14:14
schestowitzIan is too opinionated even by my opinionated standardsMay 26 14:14
schestowitzcybrNaut: it's like "pro-life"May 26 14:15
schestowitzthey invert the argumentMay 26 14:15
schestowitzfrom pro-choice, or pro-womenMay 26 14:15
schestowitz(letting women decide about their bodies)May 26 14:15
schestowitzwhat they mean by life is semen glued to an eggMay 26 14:15
cybrNautyeah every side has to market itself.  I find pro-forced-birth more accurate than "pro-life", considering the same ppl who call themselves "pro-life" tend to oppose public healthcare, gun control, welfare, asylum, ... things that actually promote lifeMay 26 14:17
cybrNautprobably most pro-lifers aren't wearing masks either.. that would be an interesting studyMay 26 14:18
techrights-botLocking #USPTO Patent Filings into #Microsoft with DOCX see 26 14:18
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baronhk[m]"Restraining orders are not hard to get. In fact, courts issue millions of them every year. The majority are against men, and usually as a matter of process ("justice as an assembly line") rather than a decision made by a judge that is grounded in the facts of the case. Divorce lawyers, perhaps the most unscrupulous type, hit men with them strategically while they help their cheating ex-wives (or husbands, it's theMay 26 14:20
baronhk[m]future!) strip them of their assets and run off with their children."May 26 14:20
cybrNautoh, and the same "pro-life" people tend to have little interest in environmental protection.. they are the opposite of pro-life in most respectsMay 26 14:20
schestowitzagreedMay 26 14:21
schestowitzpro-gunMay 26 14:22
techrights-bot● NEWS ● #TruthOut ☞ 70% of Americans Say Arms Sales Make Us Less Safe. We're the World's Top Dealer. 26 14:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | 70% of Americans Say Arms Sales Make Us Less Safe. We're the World's Top Dealer.May 26 14:22
kakamapro life just means pro birth for some reasonMay 26 14:25
kakama>you have to have the baby God wills itMay 26 14:25
kakama>how dare you ask for handouts you lazy [racebait here]May 26 14:25
kakamasay what you will about the Mormons but they are ideologically consistant and one of the only 'right wing' groups I find that is (in quotes because left/right dichotomy is not real lmao)May 26 14:26
schestowitzI've long thought of 'pro-life' differentlyMay 26 14:26
kakamaMormons are against abortion but they do support the idea of safety nets and parental support and whatnotMay 26 14:26
schestowitzmen who want to get a women 'stuck' with themMay 26 14:26
schestowitzby getting her drunkMay 26 14:26
schestowitzgetting her pregnantMay 26 14:26
kakamathough partly because half the mormons are on welfare since they have 8 kids eachMay 26 14:26
schestowitzand then make it illegal for her to press "sbort"May 26 14:26
schestowitz*abortMay 26 14:27
alextee[m]what is it called if you're pro-life with the exception of rape? (although I can see people claiming lots of non-rape things are rape)May 26 14:27
kakamayeah schestowitz and traditional patriarchial 'she is mine now' views surely encourage that, though it's definitely a two way street since there are also women who play the baby trap cardMay 26 14:27
kakamaanyone can poke holes in a condom ayyy trick as old as timeMay 26 14:28
techrights-bot"Since it's coming from Slimbook, you can expect full Linux support and you can buy it with #GNU #Linux pre-installed." 26 14:28
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kakamaI need an irssi solution for url copyingMay 26 14:28
kakamasince I have nicklist on the right and channels on the left with tmuxMay 26 14:29
techrights-bot"So no Early Access or Beta versions but we will be seeing the proper finished experience supported on Linux." #gnu #linux #gaming 26 14:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-StarCrawlers Chimera is a new upcoming first-person cyberpunk dungeon crawler | GamingOnLinuxMay 26 14:29
kakamamaybe something like hilightwin but a whole full-terminal-width pane below the chat window, or above, that just pops out a copy of any link posted in any channelMay 26 14:29
kakamaso I can actually ctrl+click it or somethingMay 26 14:30
kakamapolitical parties are a cult and not ever really ideologically consistantMay 26 14:31
techrights-botThis did NOT age well. #upc is dead, so the #law firms sold many people a lie, a fiction 26 14:32
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kakamathe powers that be could easily have engineered the narrative that 'left' is pro-gun (as guns balance the playing field for women, gays, disenfranchized, weak, etc, and do not rely on untrustworthy police) but instead it's 'right'May 26 14:32
kakamaused to be universal issue but associating it with one of the puppet show character teams allows gun rights to be attacked more easilyMay 26 14:32
kakamaI suppose the current meta is that one party is more 'personal responsibility reduced government regulation' and the other is 'social responsibility with government set up to protect'May 26 14:33
schestowitzwould the above chat get us banned from libera? (not joking)May 26 14:34
schestowitzI saw them passing all sorts of trigger-tight policiesMay 26 14:34
schestowitzand then boasting about "Safety" and such... or maybe I misunderstood what was saidMay 26 14:34
kakamabut you can't really say Red Team is against government interference in general, just bring up something like trannies getting hormones and watch them scream out for the government to protect usMay 26 14:34
kakamaschestowitz: historically I've never just let my mouth run on freenode because the ircops were absolute dickbags and disagreeing with them can easily become 'u were doing the h8 speech'May 26 14:35
kakamafreechode has always been the reddit of irc, or the PC-irc, in my mind at leastMay 26 14:36
kingoffrancekakama, some places guns are "left" -- because they dont like cops. so make everyone armed, everyone is equalMay 26 14:36
kingoffranceagree left and right is just noiseMay 26 14:36
kakamaI was kind of hopeful that when the Crown Prince took over since the lame ircops ran off to Liberia freenode would be coolMay 26 14:36
kakamaI fully expect to get b& from Liberia at some point if I talk openly so I only use it to talk to my dc groupMay 26 14:37
kingoffranceor, its just ever-shifting goalposts  "not ideologically consistent" yepMay 26 14:37
kakamaand even that, I know a member of our hackerspace who got a 'u were being naughty on irc plz don't come back' letter so I always expect a dramabomb to go off at any momentMay 26 14:38
kakamayea kingoffrance it's a soap opera to entertain the masses with the illusion of choiceMay 26 14:38
kakamaI do know a lot of modern lefties that are getting to be pretty pro-gunMay 26 14:38
kakamaI open carry for political reasons because I don't look like stereotype gun owner and it gets conversations goingMay 26 14:39
kakamaI am someone that looks very american-left-wing so people feel comfortable talking to me, and I have found lately that many left-leaning types are getting into guns, record firearm sales lastyear for new gun owners etcMay 26 14:39
kakamaso I already haev prepared schpeels about the origins of gun control in Prohibition and how current drug prohibition is an extension of that in terms of gun crime creator, and the racist origins of other gun control legislationMay 26 14:40
techrights-botToday in #Techrights • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ #GNU #Linux #TuxMachinesMay 26 14:41
kakamaif we can collectively undo the psyops gimmick to turn guns into one of the political talking points we can protect our rights since it won't be kicked around like a football every electionMay 26 14:41
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kakamaI'm not left or right I'm cross eye dominant and shoot pistols ambiMay 26 14:41
kakamawhile I don't believe in the council of 300 type conspiracy I know someone who strongly did, and I found the general concept of puppetering to sound accurateMay 26 14:42
techrights-bot"A new report on the rumored Valve #SteamPal suggests that the portable gaming PC will be larger than the Nintendo Switch and run on Linux." 26 14:43
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kakamathat being, say the Powers That Be want to pass 10 different laws. Left wing is pro 5 of them and against 5 of them, same for Right wing, the issues being almost arbitrarily divided between each team based more on what markets good than any ideological cohesionMay 26 14:43
kakamaso now every 4 years we have big battle and 2 years a miniboss fight where people believe they are struggling against Other Side to protect the good path forward, and one team gets majority and starts to pass their laws and repeal othersMay 26 14:44
kakamaregardless of which team is in control at the time, the laws being passed may all be consistant with the agenda of the powers-that-be, but it APPEARS as though My Team is winning the struggle against Their TeamMay 26 14:44
baronhk[m]"In fact, they say they want to remove stigma of mental illness, or at least Democrats do, but then they further stigmatize it, when research shows that almost no mass shooters are actually mentally ill in the sense of anything covered by the DSM. In fact, it's often just some toxic man who can't get anyone to have sex with him. Which is not in the DSM. Should the DSM be updated? I think it should be, but that doesn'tMay 26 14:45
baronhk[m]change the facts."May 26 14:45
kakamaillusion of choice via a puppet show, a donkey and elephant fighting and the country clapping like happy children that don't realize the left and right hands are attached to the same person sitting behind a wallMay 26 14:45
kakama>no mass shooters are covered by DSMMay 26 14:45
kakamaidk if that is true at allMay 26 14:45
kakamathere's some really dumb memes around mass shooters, like that they're all terrorists working for I.N.C.E.L. or loner-white-guysMay 26 14:46
kakamascroll down the list of them and it's so many people for so many reasons, of every race colour creedMay 26 14:46
kakamayou got radical christians and radical muslims, disgruntled former employees, lover's quarrels gone amockMay 26 14:47
kakamawhy in 2019 I think it was you had a black male-female couple shoot up a Jewish districtMay 26 14:47
kakamahow you gonna categorize that one?May 26 14:47
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kakamathe common theme is only that they have been infected with a deadly uncontained memeMay 26 14:48
kakamaper earlier rants on advancements in communication creating more rapid hard to control memetic spread, and the algos don't really stop it so much as make the evolution happen faster and in weird vaccumsMay 26 14:48
techrights-botToday’s #HowTos | #UNIX • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ #GNU #Linux #TuxMachinesMay 26 14:48
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baronhk[m]"And, on the subject of suicides, the gun laws have no effect overall. People in countries with the strictest gun laws who want to do it will jump in front of a train. Perhaps the Democrats in Illinois should outlaw Metra instead of just leaning on the news to quit reporting people leaping onto the tracks. After all, the problem has been on the rise in Illinois for years, and even Metra's own CEO jumped in front of onMay 26 14:49
baronhk[m]to beat an arrest for embezzling from the agency. Just outlaw trains, or maybe force everyone to get clearance to be within 1,000 feet of one from the state police, by making them ask for a "Train Pass Owner ID Card" that can be at the whim of the state. I'm sure the problem will go away immediately, because Democrats."May 26 14:49
kakamaleads to this meme of 'shoot a bunch of people' combined with other random radicalism memes and emotional/mental instability to create unsprung this idea that going on a rampage is the path set before someoneMay 26 14:50
kakamano one has to espouse a particular call to action, the memes move fast enough and combine automatically at rates unprecedented in human history both in speed and volume, it is inevitable that some of them turn into weird and dangerous thingsMay 26 14:50
techrights-bot#IBM / #RedHat / #Fedora Leftovers • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ #GNU #LinuxMay 26 14:50
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kakamasome dangerous memes are self-contained and cannot spread as much, ie there aren't a bunch of cults that say 'yeah we too should mass suicide via juicy juice'May 26 14:51
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kakamabut the 'shoot a bunch of people and get your manifesto read' meme is virulant and persistant, most people are carriers at this point and it only expreses in an individual with the right (wrong?) combination of thoughts and circumstancesMay 26 14:52
kakamafuckin wild manMay 26 14:52
baronhk[m]"The fact is, if people want to do something, they'll find a way to get it done."May 26 14:53
baronhk[m]"When criminal thugs in Chicago want guns, they don't walk into a gun shop and tell the law abiding gun shop owner "Here's my FOID card, all hail Jabba the Pritzker!", they just buy a trunk load from out of state, illegally. Or they rob a train car full of M16 assault rifles (fully automatic, at that, which are also banned by law for civilian possession, as is train robbery). Criminals breaking the law? Nooooooo!May 26 14:53
baronhk[m]That's absurd."May 26 14:53
kakamathug has become a loaded racebaiting wordMay 26 14:54
kakamawait did some group actually rob a train full of M16s or is that hyperboleMay 26 14:54
baronhk[m]"Since the passage of the FOID Act, over 250,000 Illinoisans have been shot and over 70,000 have been killed."May 26 14:55
baronhk[m]"Which are statistics that make the state sound more like the Vietnam War than a Democrat success, right?"May 26 14:55
baronhk[m]<kakama "wait did some group actually rob"> Yes, several times.May 26 14:55
baronhk[m]Chicago is a major rail hub and some of the stuff going through is military equipment. Where do you think they're getting this shit from?May 26 14:55
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schestowitzbaronhk[m]: tbh, this has nothing to do with techMay 26 14:56
baronhk[m]It's not just assault rifles. Criminal gangs have even managed to steal grenade launchers, flak jackets, and other stuff.May 26 14:56
schestowitznot even remotelyMay 26 14:56
schestowitzlet me know when you blog about techMay 26 14:56
baronhk[m]Oh it is.May 26 14:56
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schestowitzno, it's notMay 26 14:56
baronhk[m]FOID requires biometrics and it's spying.May 26 14:57
schestowitzgun "rights" isn't techMay 26 14:57
schestowitzbut you don't talk about this aspect at allMay 26 14:57
baronhk[m]You go into a "database" like some sort of criminal, while they have no idea what the criminals, individually, are up to.May 26 14:57
schestowitzwe need to keep on topicMay 26 14:57
schestowitzotherwise the channel becomes noiseMay 26 14:57
techrights-bot● NEWS ● #Techdirt ☞ Another Journalist Informed #Trump DOJ Otained Their Phone And Email Records 26 15:02
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baronhk[m]"How are the Democrats trying to make it worse?May 26 15:15
baronhk[m]Aside from doubling the fee to use a constitutional right, which is at the whim of the State Police already, several Democrats in the legislature are trying to add steps to the process, including having the State Police force you to turn over your “Social Media” handles so that they can read them, and decide if they like what they’re reading or not before they make a decision on your FOID card application.May 26 15:15
baronhk[m]When constitutional rights depend on what you say on Facebook….. These are truly scary times. Philip K. Dick could have written a new book and it wouldn’t have been any more out there than what the Democrats have been up to in Illinois. Supporting Burn, Loot, and Murder, paroling child molesters and serial killers, and trying to pass a trailer bill like this to the FOID Act."May 26 15:15
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MinceRguns are techMay 26 15:22
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XRevan86schestowitz: "we did not pick a horse" – I was talking about CrystalMath who pretty much displayed unconditional love.May 26 15:50
XRevan86schestowitz: "also, tweets are not sources, they're random thoughts" – can be insightful from time to time.May 26 15:50
baronhk[m] 26 15:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Illinois FOID Act: An unconstitutional law that invades privacy of gun owners and doesn’t lower crime. It’s a biometrics program that spies on lawful citizens. – BaronHK's RantsMay 26 15:54
XRevan86schestowitz: "I heard it was done by "both sides"" – not correct.May 26 15:54
XRevan86schestowitz: Stability is good, but ye have to keep in mind that backing up such displays of mismanagement is iffy.May 26 15:56
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baronhk[m]"BLM is really just a bunch of "Jimmy in-n-outs" as Saul Goodman (the lawyer from Breaking Bad) put it. They're really angry and bitter that they have to do stints in prison between felonies and that every time the state lets them out to commit more crime, they go right back to the slammer. It's a political movement in the sense that they want to confiscate your belongings using the state this time, as the state isMay 26 16:04
baronhk[m]sovereign and thus can't do anything illegal. Maybe they are smarter than anyone thinks."May 26 16:04
baronhk[m]I believe that making the state so horrible that "Decent people should live somewhere else. They'll like it better." (As Jack Nicholson's Joker put it.) is their end goal so that they have permanent run of the place.May 26 16:06
baronhk[m]MinceR: That is the ultimate question, and why I saved it for last.May 26 16:08
baronhk[m]Why are legal gun sales surging in Illinois? Presumably the people who are buying them are the ones that voted to make the place horrendous in the first place.May 26 16:09
MinceRThe Ultimate Question of Life, the Universe and Everything?May 26 16:09
baronhk[m]Now they want a gun so that they can potentially stand trial for shooting a home invader.May 26 16:09
MinceR"Hey, love crusader / I want to be your space invader"May 26 16:10
baronhk[m]I really wish that things would go better in the black community.May 26 16:10
baronhk[m]People don't speak out against it, so the folks who go to work and pay their taxes and follow the laws let these people be their voice.May 26 16:10
baronhk[m]BLM should not be their voice.May 26 16:11
baronhk[m]They should take that back and speak for themselves.May 26 16:11
baronhk[m]We're caught up in the middle of a huge national gaslighting where large corporations are promoting BLM propaganda to make it seem legitimate.May 26 16:12
baronhk[m]And that's part of the "algorithms to make you think you're fucking crazy" that Facebook has deployed.May 26 16:12
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schestowitz[15:50] <XRevan86> schestowitz: "also, tweets are not sources, they're random thoughts" – can be insightful from time to time.May 26 16:22
schestowitzsometimes.May 26 16:22
schestowitzlet me put it differentlyMay 26 16:22
schestowitzthere's a profound difference between report based on hours of talking to people from both side and looking things up, as you did over the past week, and just someone venting in Twitter for likes, maybe with some bias inherent and no supporting links, context etc.May 26 16:23
XRevan86schestowitz: Indeed, however, Ariadne's opinion on the situation and what she shares is something I am going to listen to.May 26 16:24
techrights-bot● NEWS ● #PIA #privacy ☞ How data minimization can protect privacy and reduce the harms of collecting personal information 26 16:24
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | How data minimization can protect privacy and reduce the harms of collecting personal informationMay 26 16:24
schestowitzI did not write about this in a rush, mind you!May 26 16:25
schestowitzI spoke to people about this... since APRIL!May 26 16:25
schestowitzI came out publicly about this around May 7thMay 26 16:25
XRevan86schestowitz: And freenode ops just took over lots of channels for wrongthink.May 26 16:26
XRevan86Suddenly today I find MariaDB to be on Libera.May 26 16:26
baronhk[m]The DSM changes every decade or so.... I suppose that the only requirement for mental illness to be redefined in or out of existence is whether society's attitude towards something changes, and to what extent.May 26 16:26
techrights-bot● NEWS ● #Techdirt ☞ #Police In #India Raid #Twitter Offices After #Twitter Labeled A Tweet By A Government Official As 'Manipulated Media' 26 16:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Police In India Raid Twitter Offices After Twitter Labeled A Tweet By A Government Official As 'Manipulated Media' | TechdirtMay 26 16:26
XRevan86Now how did this happen…May 26 16:27
baronhk[m]Interestingly, psychiatrists still have the authority to declare a transgendered person mentally ill in the latest revision.May 26 16:27
schestowitzXRevan86: tbh, I'd rather move onMay 26 16:28
schestowitzno good will come out of itMay 26 16:28
schestowitzLibera does not make me feel saferMay 26 16:28
baronhk[m]They never really do let anything go, however. They just push things off to the side as gender or sexual orientation causing a person grief. That way it's easy to say the person is ill because it's causing them to have a negative self-image or distress.May 26 16:28
schestowitzgiven some of their stances (the staff) on particular issuesMay 26 16:28
schestowitzand stories that I heard last month about a clique in that staffMay 26 16:28
schestowitzlet's get back on topicMay 26 16:28
schestowitzbaronhk[m]: stf?May 26 16:28
schestowitz*wtf?May 26 16:28
schestowitzwhy are you bringing up sex all the time?May 26 16:29
schestowitzwe have a major patent case... come FridayMay 26 16:29
baronhk[m]It comes up in pretty much every CoC.May 26 16:29
schestowitzand the channel logs are littered with gun and sexMay 26 16:29
XRevan86schestowitz: It's fine if the reason to be on freenode is that Andrew is sympathetic to techrights.orgMay 26 16:29
schestowitzXRevan86: I spoke to him for many hoursMay 26 16:29
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stormchaser3000this is horrifying: 26 16:30
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Comcast Sends Copyright Notice to a User for Downloading Ubuntu ISO via Torrent - It's FOSS NewsMay 26 16:30
schestowitzand I found some of the framings online to be false and rather maliciousMay 26 16:30
baronhk[m]Libera Chat is threatening to get rid of anyone who offends based on sexual orientation or gender identity. I wonder if that includes all of the psychiatrists in America.May 26 16:30
schestowitzfacts seem to no longer matterMay 26 16:30
schestowitzstormchaser3000: yes, seen thatMay 26 16:30
XRevan86schestowitz: Because of the split the network will get closer to being an echo chamber, that's one factor.May 26 16:30
baronhk[m]<TechrightsBot-tr " | Comcast Sends"> That doesn't surprise me. It's no longer safe to do anything without a VPN or at least in Tor Browser.May 26 16:30
schestowitz[14:41] <techrights-bot> #Comcast Sends Copyright Notice to a User for Downloading #Ubuntu ISO via Torrent • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ #GNU #Linux #TuxMachinesMay 26 16:30
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Comcast Sends Copyright Notice to a User for Downloading Ubuntu ISO via Torrent | Tux MachinesMay 26 16:30
schestowitzmight not be the first timeMay 26 16:30
schestowitzXRevan86: I'd rather be on a side of it that won't kick us outMay 26 16:31
schestowitzand not having to relocate at all is a plusMay 26 16:31
schestowitzwe have been on here since 2008May 26 16:31
schestowitzMinceR, IIRC, joined the same year or a year afterMay 26 16:31
baronhk[m]Psychologists manipulate for all sorts of reasons.May 26 16:32
baronhk[m]They even push in favor of draconian copyright.May 26 16:32
schestowitzI don't find comforting the "Free speech BUT" crowdMay 26 16:32
baronhk[m]Psychology today pushed an article out that said that anyone who uses bittorrent is a sociopath or something like that.May 26 16:33
schestowitzunless the BUT is, [some other law]May 26 16:33
schestowitzlike antiterror lawMay 26 16:33
schestowitzor crime, death threats etc.May 26 16:33
schestowitz 26 16:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Some Background on the Free Speech Society at the University of Buckingham, Where Richard Stallman is Being ‘Replatformed’ | TechrightsMay 26 16:33
schestowitz"GNU/Linux founder Richard Stallman (RMS) will be back to public speaking. Yes, public (he spoke more privately, but that’s not the same thing). Co-founder of the society that invited RMS to give a speech tomorrow had spoken last year to some show, as presented above. James Oliver speaks about the whole “I’m in favour of free speech, but…” phenomenon and portrayal of free speech as a “political wing” thing (tribalism, May 26 16:33
schestowitzdivisive politicking). He says it’s “concerning the people are branding this right wing” although historically a lot of ‘anti-Establishment’ politics (suppressed by power) came from the so-called ‘left’ (wings are a binary over-simplification). Many left-leaning people are still being banned and deplatformed (or ‘cancelled’); Mr. Oliver gives some recent examples."May 26 16:33
XRevan86schestowitz: Regarding moving on, tomorrow GNU will be deciding.May 26 16:34
schestowitzI knowMay 26 16:34
schestowitzlet's wait and seeMay 26 16:34
schestowitzremember Debian GRMay 26 16:34
schestowitzat the end no statement on RMS and FSFMay 26 16:34
schestowitzwhich was goodMay 26 16:34
schestowitzwas the end of it all, April 17th IIRCMay 26 16:34
schestowitzcalm afterwardsMay 26 16:34
schestowitzthen some debian in elements engages in a witchhunt in FreenodeMay 26 16:35
schestowitzthose people are now in  liberaMay 26 16:35
schestowitzgoodMay 26 16:35
schestowitzas STAFFMay 26 16:35
schestowitzlet them stay thereMay 26 16:35
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schestowitzFSF might want to check who runs liberaMay 26 16:36
schestowitzas some of the staff there signed the anti-FSF letterMay 26 16:36
schestowitzdisguised as anti-RMS (concern-trolling)May 26 16:36
techrights-bot● NEWS ● #Techdirt ☞ Former #Trump Spokesman Ordered To Pay $42,000 To #Gizmodo After Losing His Bogus #Defamation Lawsuit 26 16:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Former Trump Spokesman Ordered To Pay $42,000 To Gizmodo After Losing His Bogus Defamation Lawsuit | TechdirtMay 26 16:37
baronhk[m]It's pretty brazen for psychologists to say that sharing is antisocial.May 26 16:39
baronhk[m]"Hey, I just found this great song! Here, listen to it with me!" ANTISOCIAL!May 26 16:39
schestowitzpsychologists or a site that claims to speak for psychologists?May 26 16:39
MinceRsupply-side psychology?May 26 16:39
baronhk[m]"Hey, here's a book. It had an impact on my way of thinking! Want to read a few passages?" ANTISOCIAL!May 26 16:40
techrights-bot#billgates is done 26 16:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Bill Gates crumbles on his own smug immorality - Washington TimesMay 26 16:40
baronhk[m]Being social means sharing the paywall.May 26 16:41
techrights-bot#epstein #billgates #sextrafficking #divorce 26 16:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Bill Gates Thought Jeffrey Epstein Was His Ticket to a Nobel Prize, Ex-Staffer SaysMay 26 16:41
baronhk[m]People can grow in all of the ways they can pay for.May 26 16:41
baronhk[m]<techrights-bot "#epstein #billgates #sextraffick"> Do they give them out for child rape yet or will they just do the Peace Prize there too?May 26 16:42
techrights-bot#billgates bribed #theguardian multiple times over the years. How long can that silence them for? 26 16:42
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | When rich people divorce: what does the future hold for Bill and Melinda Gates? | Bill Gates | The GuardianMay 26 16:42
techrights-botEven #microsoft has distanced itself from the pervert #billgates 26 16:42
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Microsoft CEO responds to news of Bill Gates' affair with employee - CNNMay 26 16:42
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techrights-botI want to ask again, where in #github is the #cancelGates letter and why don't so-called 'activists' for good go after the biggest of criminals and instead target poor folks like RMS? 26 16:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Bill Gates hoped his friendship with sex offender Jeffrey Epstein would help him win the Nobel Peace Prize, report saysMay 26 16:43
saint_dogbertschestowitz: You do know that SCO is back from the dead, right?May 26 16:43
techrights-botWhat allegations? He's connected to Epstein and lied about it repeatedly. they keep trying to distract from what ACTUALLY happened. Captured media...May 26 16:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Bill Gates’ leadership roles stay intact despite allegations - The Boston GlobeMay 26 16:44
techrights-botold: #dwheeler on #swpats now that he works for #linuxfoundation he's in a front group of #softwarepatents proponents like #ibm and #microsoftMay 26 16:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Eliminate Software PatentsMay 26 16:45
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schestowitzsaint_dogbert: yesMay 26 16:46
schestowitzsort ofMay 26 16:46
saint_dogbert,-red-hat-in-virgin-islands.htmlMay 26 16:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-iTWire - Echoes of SCO case: Xinuos sues IBM, Red Hat in Virgin IslandsMay 26 16:47
techrights-bot#ibm #layoffs "I retired and I am soooo HAPPY. I no longer have to put up with the abuse and managers who do not even know what you do!!!...but happy to collect the bonuses I use to drive for them. FU-K little babyyyyy blue!" 26 16:48
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | I'm about to hand in my resignation - post regarding IBM layoffsMay 26 16:48
techrights-bot#trump #goldenDawnald #notOverYet 26 16:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | DOJ partially discloses memo on why Trump wasn't charged with obstructionMay 26 16:49
baronhk[m]Frank Underwood, in House of Cards, said "All people become a problem, eventually.".May 26 16:50
saint_dogbert 26 16:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Facebook Is Circumventing Your Privacy Settings, But You Can Stop Them – PJ MediaMay 26 16:51
baronhk[m]I'm seeing that with my spouse now, as he associates with people at work, including that idiot that tried to get him to break the law for her.May 26 16:51
baronhk[m]Now he's going to some "party" after work and either I get to go to try to stop him from doing anything stupid there and get to be a wallflower around a bunch of people I don't even know, or I could stay here and let whatever happens happen.May 26 16:52
saint_dogbertbaronhk[m]: sounds like an interesting storyMay 26 16:52
baronhk[m]I'm more like my cats, I suppose.May 26 16:52
baronhk[m]You rearrange the furniture and they walk around for a couple of hours letting you know they aren't happy about it.May 26 16:53
saint_dogbertbaronhk[m]: The latter option.. thats what I would do, personally. Otherwise, people don't learn May 26 16:53
baronhk[m]Unfortunately, if that woman does convince him to do anything dumb and he gets himself arrested, that's a big problem for immigration.May 26 16:53
baronhk[m]They might just get rid of him. I mean, my ability to keep him here depends largely on convincing the government that he's not a problem.May 26 16:54
baronhk[m]I already warned him about that and said that if he does get arrested doing something stupid I'm filing for divorce and I'm not going to help him.May 26 16:55
techrights-bot"So Belarus is now hijacking planes to arrest journalists and the Single Market’s response is “sanctions.” #Lukashenko and #Putin must be laughing out of their Mig-29s. " 26 16:55
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Aral Balkan: "So Belarus is now hijacking planes to arrest jour…" - Aral’s MastodonMay 26 16:55
techrights-bot#Lukashenko 26 16:55
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Lukashenko Defends Diverting Flight in Belarus to Arrest Activist | Voice of America - EnglishMay 26 16:55
baronhk[m]I hope it never ends up there. I have no idea why people are so crazy that if nothing's going wrong, they have to fuck with things until things are going wrong.May 26 16:55
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techrights-botMedia in #israel weaponises elephants for empathy who's the one doing the vast majority of the bombing?May 26 16:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | As Gaza conflict raged, Israeli elephants shield calf from rocketsMay 26 16:56
baronhk[m]Going back to psychiatry, the only thing they do have figured out, it seems, is how to make a career that pays money as if they were fixing something when the world continues to decay, morally, and in all other ways possible.May 26 16:57
techrights-bot#gopkkk egging on dangerous people under the guise of 1A, then cries foul when #insurrection attempts fail 26 16:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Fla. To Revoke Tax Breaks For Platforms That Ban Politicians - Law360May 26 16:58
techrights-botRight, well, in the last two days, I’ve managed to knock down our DigitalOcean hosting fees from ~$90/mo to $5/mo by moving our GitLab to 26 16:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Aral Balkan: "Right, well, in the last two days, I’ve managed t…" - Aral’s MastodonMay 26 16:58
schestowitzbaronhk[m]: a lot of that dicpline, psychiatry, is BSMay 26 17:01
schestowitznot allMay 26 17:01
schestowitzthat discipline is often practiced by people who try to learn about themselvesMay 26 17:01
schestowitzand then they offer to teach othersMay 26 17:01
schestowitzbut unstable people teaching other mentally  unstable people what to do has pros and consMay 26 17:01
schestowitzon the one hand, they have experienceMay 26 17:02
schestowitzon the other hand, the pros aren't a meritocracyMay 26 17:02
schestowitzbut many people with messed up lives and headsMay 26 17:02
schestowitzso it's a touch and go thing...May 26 17:02
techrights-botDaniel Stenberg: #curl 7.77.0 – 200 OK #www #deletegithubMay 26 17:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-curl 7.77.0 – 200 OK | daniel.haxx.seMay 26 17:03
techrights-bot#apple #ProprietarySoftware junk 26 17:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-M1RACLES: Apple M1 Exposed To Covert Channel Vulnerability - PhoronixMay 26 17:03
techrights-bot#idg is either trying to make us all laugh or writes clickbait for the #religion known as #apple (with mindless fans, who are often not technical and might take this as "gospel") 26 17:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Apple's Mac security warning shows that closed beats open | ComputerworldMay 26 17:04
techrights-bot#Comcast Subscriber Receives DMCA Notice for Downloading #Ubuntu #gnu #linuxMay 26 17:06
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Comcast Sends Copyright Notice to a User for Downloading Ubuntu ISO via Torrent | Tux MachinesMay 26 17:06
saint_dogbertI had a DMCA notice years ago for downloading PCBSD when they existed May 26 17:07
techrights-bot#apple ... sooooo safe 26 17:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Asahi Linux Dev Reveals ‘M1RACLES’ Flaw in Apple M1, Pokes Fun at Similar Flaws | Tom's HardwareMay 26 17:08
schestowitzsaint_dogbert: from the ISP?May 26 17:10
schestowitzsaint_dogbert: I think they just renamed?May 26 17:10
schestowitzI cannot recall rnMay 26 17:10
schestowitztruOS?May 26 17:10
schestowitzis that the one?May 26 17:10
saint_dogbertThat'd be the current projectMay 26 17:11
schestowitz 26 17:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | TrueOS - WikipediaMay 26 17:11
schestowitz"Working stateDiscontinued"May 26 17:11
schestowitzohMay 26 17:11
saint_dogbertI forwarded the complaint and the email saying that some company was laying claim to BSD to the BSD devs May 26 17:11
schestowitz"Development of TrueOS ended in 2020.[2]"May 26 17:11
schestowitz 26 17:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-TrueOS Discontinuation - TrueNAS Open Storage | ZFS for the Home to the Data CenterMay 26 17:12
saint_dogbertYeah, they decided that users didn't matter May 26 17:12
saint_dogbertmuch like KDE used to claim; 'We don't need users'May 26 17:12
saint_dogbertthen went to NAS only May 26 17:12
schestowitzhopefully migration outwards isn't too trickyMay 26 17:12
schestowitzsome BSDs move to gnu/linux as baseMay 26 17:12
schestowitzthe more basic distrosMay 26 17:12
schestowitzthe lighter ones as baseMay 26 17:12
schestowitzlike voidMay 26 17:12
schestowitzKDE has many usersMay 26 17:13
schestowitzthey'll be OKMay 26 17:13
schestowitzQt6 being a perilMay 26 17:13
schestowitzbut then again, this whole Qt treadmill is pessyMay 26 17:13
schestowitzforces devs to constantly update their stuffMay 26 17:13
schestowitzfor new toolchainsMay 26 17:13
schestowitzand that in turn requires new glibc and stuffMay 26 17:13
MinceRKDE's capitulation to Gnome OS (systemd) is also a peril to KDEMay 26 17:13
saint_dogbertYeah, they survived. Just kinda shocking back then that a KDE dev would tell that to people May 26 17:13
schestowitzand for what gain? very little, mostly disruptionMay 26 17:13
schestowitzMinceR: not to late to bail out on itMay 26 17:14
schestowitzchromeOS rejects systemDehomagMay 26 17:14
schestowitzso you know even large companies such as GOogle don't want to deal with itMay 26 17:14
saint_dogbertGentoo... no systemd required... patched systemd out of KDE May 26 17:14
saint_dogbertChromeOS is based on Gentoo. May 26 17:14
saint_dogbertno systemd required for it May 26 17:14
schestowitzI am watching IBM closely these daysMay 26 17:15
schestowitzRed Hat affected tooMay 26 17:15
schestowitzWe have many groups that can fill the gapsMay 26 17:15
saint_dogbertboth went woke and laying off people as they go broke?May 26 17:15
schestowitzMicrosoft and IBMMay 26 17:15
schestowitztoo giants of the old daysMay 26 17:15
schestowitz90s, 80s...May 26 17:15
schestowitzthey think they can save each otherMay 26 17:15
saint_dogbertHonestly, I think MS should have been broken up back then May 26 17:16
techrights-ipfs ▕  IPFS downstream, 60 mins: ▃▅▂▅▂▅▄▅▄▃▄▁▄▄▁▂▃▅▃▄▅▄▅▅▁▃▅▆▄▆▅▄▄▅▄▅▁ avg(k/sec) 18.25 ▕  IPFS upstream: ▁▁▁▁▂▁▂▂▂▁▁▁▁▃▁▁▁▂▂▁▂▃▁▆▁▂▂▁▂▂▂▁▁▁▁ avg(k/sec) 37.65▕ swarm size (avg): 230.99  ⟲May 26 17:16
saint_dogbertbut they escaped that court orderMay 26 17:16
schestowitzand lobbying for BushMay 26 17:16
schestowitzwho was elected and ruined some countriesMay 26 17:16
schestowitzthe price for bill and steve...May 26 17:16
schestowitzelect a criminalMay 26 17:16
schestowitzdon't lose the companyMay 26 17:16
saint_dogbertPretty much May 26 17:17
techrights-botNew person for #cafc ... if Dennis Crouch likes her, it means BAD. If he fears her, GOOD! Because he's funded by thugs and #patentTrolls agents. 26 17:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Judge (Upcoming) Tiffany Cunningham | Patently-OMay 26 17:18
saint_dogbertI actually met Dubya a few times... once when he was governor and the second time when he was running for 2nd term as POTUS May 26 17:18
techrights-bot"Two points are worth noting: on the one hand, the Court sides with a specific interpretation of “staple product” (a staple product has other significant non-protected uses); on the other hand, the Court applies a seemingly strict standard on the notion of “inducement”." 26 17:19
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Patent case: Bioregenerativas, Spain - Kluwer Patent BlogMay 26 17:19
schestowitz[17:16] <schestowitz> who was elected and ruined some countriesMay 26 17:19
schestowitzsorry, my badMay 26 17:19
schestowitzclaimed to have been electedMay 26 17:20
schestowitzFL butterflies and allMay 26 17:20
schestowitznot even claims of "election fraud"May 26 17:20
schestowitzbut rather clear theft by ballot manipulationMay 26 17:20
schestowitzand media complicityMay 26 17:20
saint_dogbertSounds like you think Gore should have been sworn in May 26 17:20
kakamawas he cool saint_dogbert ?May 26 17:21
kakamamy roommate made eye contact with Obama while she was on mushroomsMay 26 17:21
saint_dogbertkakama: Dunno about 'cool.' Depends on your definition. But he definitely wasn't as stupid as the media made him out to be. May 26 17:21
techrights-bot#Krita Third Development Update! #kde #FreeSWMay 26 17:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Third Development Update! | KritaMay 26 17:21
kakamaand he gave a kind of 'umm....' look because she and her equally high as fuck sister were sliding around in their chair making weird faces of devotion and psychadeliaMay 26 17:21
saint_dogbertmay not have been a genius or mastermind, but definitely wasn't the dumbest person I've ever metMay 26 17:21
MinceRhave you met microsoft programmers? :>May 26 17:22
kakamayeah that was clearly hyperbole, and to some degree he probably used it as a character attribute, part of his personaMay 26 17:22
saint_dogbertMinceR: Actually, yes. My brother works for MS as a programmer. May 26 17:22
MinceRlolMay 26 17:22
saint_dogbertWe haven't spoken for many years over him going to work there. May 26 17:22
kakamaI heard a theory that the 'shame on.. you don't get fooled again' thing was actually engineered to avoid saying 'shame on me' as that provides a soundbite for memetic usageMay 26 17:22
saint_dogbertkakama: His Chief of Staff apparently recommended that he not fight the media over that point and just let it ride out. May 26 17:23
techrights-botVirtuozzo’s Mature #GNU #Linux Distribution #VzLinux Now Available to Public 26 17:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Virtuozzo’s Mature Linux Distribution VzLinux Now Available to PublicMay 26 17:23
kakamaTrump was the master of constructed image/persona, being a reality TV star and allMay 26 17:23
kakamaI imagine that's why Regan was popular tooMay 26 17:23
kakamathat distinctive base-level way Trump speaks, just all 'This thing.... SAD!' is well crafted; it sounds stupid to some people but it gets the point across in a way that maximizes the number of people who understand itMay 26 17:24
techrights-botArgh... #deletegithub stop outsourcing things to #microsoft #ProprietarySoftware #monopoly ... it's neither wise nor educational 26 17:24
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Nishal's Blog — Introduction to Shell ScriptingMay 26 17:24
kakamanot to mention the optics of not sounding 'like a politician'May 26 17:24
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | The Story About Microsoft’s Plan for GitHub Says a Lot About the Motivations and the Lies Told to Us for Over Half a Decade | TechrightsMay 26 17:24
kakamaand of course it was also fuckin hilarious but that'll get your head taken off for saying soMay 26 17:25
saint_dogbertkakama: Who would do that in your opinion?May 26 17:25
saint_dogberttake your head off*May 26 17:26
kakamaI miss him tho, we will probably never have that much political lulz in our lifetimes every again, from here on out it's just blackpills foreverMay 26 17:26
kakamawell, a number of people I know are somewhat cross with me for even being entertained by TrumpMay 26 17:26
kakamawe just don't talk about it at all, I ultimately take everything as a joke and believe the whole political partisan system is rigged/a game show for entertainment and diversion and some of them buy into their side as being the right oneMay 26 17:26
MinceR 26 17:27
kakamaso they have a reflexive response that goes something along the lines of IT ISN'T A JOKE PEOPLE ARE SUFFERING KIDS IN CAGESMay 26 17:27
kakamaeven though they were not personally affected by any policies of that administration, and certain things like border arrests etc are carried on by the current administration but not part of a big media campaignMay 26 17:28
techrights-botProjects selected for #LibreOffice in the Google Summer of Code 2021 when your competitor funds you. See #mozilla ... cannot criticise #googleMay 26 17:28
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Projects selected for LibreOffice in the Google Summer of Code 2021 - The Document Foundation BlogMay 26 17:28
saint_dogbertI'll say this; I held my nose and voted for Trump in '16 as I figured he may not follow through with his promises, but he couldn't be worse than Hillary would have beenMay 26 17:28
kakamaTrump being around was this perfect villian for the prescribed cultural narrative, or antihero to othersMay 26 17:28
saint_dogbertwas pleasantly surprised at how Trump turned out though in regards to getting things moving again May 26 17:28
saint_dogbertI'd probably vote for him again if he ran in '24May 26 17:28
kakamabut a very orwellian '7 Minutes of Hate' was a daily ritual for those last 4 yearsMay 26 17:29
techrights-botOpen Insurance is coming to #Italy | Stop at Zona-M ⚓ 26 17:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Open Insurance is coming to Italy | Stop at Zona-MMay 26 17:29
saint_dogbertlol May 26 17:29
kakamaI mean people hated Obama and ranted, hated Bush and ranted, that's usual, but the incredible level of 'it is normal and expected to hate the president' was insane May 26 17:29
kakamasimply the act of not hating him put you in a bad campMay 26 17:29
schestowitzMinceR: it's a good thing then that GOP gutted public educationMay 26 17:30
saint_dogbertno argument here May 26 17:30
kakamaand this cultural narrative of 'if you voted for him you are a racist'May 26 17:30
kakamaheard that a lotMay 26 17:30
MinceR:>May 26 17:30
saint_dogbertthey hate it when its pointed out how that word has lost its meaning due to overuseMay 26 17:30
MinceRschestowitz: the New Dark Ages also work out in the "republican"s favorMay 26 17:30
MinceR"my ignorance is just as valuable as your knowledge"May 26 17:30
kakamahave people who don't talk to me because I openly enjoyed that last presidency, and that combined with other opinions, good friends who got sucked into strong political views suddenly started saying some very unkind things to me and how they cannot be around me anymoreMay 26 17:31
techrights-bot#mozilla to #firefox users: we are watching you ;-) ;-) 26 17:31
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Performance Sheriff Newsletter (April 2021) – Mozilla PerformanceMay 26 17:31
kakamathat really tore me up, a few of those, because it's like I watched people I love join a cultMay 26 17:31
saint_dogberttotally understand thatMay 26 17:31
MinceRare you sure it's not the other way around? :>May 26 17:31
saint_dogbertlost my best friend over that nonsense May 26 17:31
kakamaI mean the Trump cultists are equally ridiculous MinceR yeaMay 26 17:32
schestowitzlost a lot of time to that nonsenseMay 26 17:32
schestowitzUS politics as emotional noise and drainMay 26 17:32
saint_dogbertA self described 'old skool democrat' that couldn't stand the thought that someone would vote for Trump over Felonia Von Pansuit May 26 17:32
schestowitzso we don't keep sight on some other important thingsMay 26 17:32
kakamait's designed to be an emotional drain schestowitz May 26 17:32
kakamayeahMay 26 17:32
saint_dogbertand then vote for Trump again over Crazy Joe May 26 17:32
schestowitzwhile the Orange One threatens wars and stuffMay 26 17:32
kakamajust rile everyone up into having cult like worship or hatred of these media charactersMay 26 17:33
kakamawhile business as usual politics is passing boring but serious rules about trade policies and whatnotMay 26 17:33
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kakamabut having this culture war keeps people divided and fighting each other and always thinking their team is the saviorMay 26 17:33
kingoffrancethis was all predicted circa 1955 Dr. Emmett Brown : Then tell me, future boy, who's President of the United States in 1985?  Marty McFly : Ronald Reagan.  Dr. Emmett Brown : Ronald Reagan? The actor?  [chuckles in disbelief]   Dr. Emmett Brown : Then who's vice president? Jerry Lewis?   [rushing out and down a hill toward his laboratory]    Dr. Emmett Brown : I suppose Jane Wyman is the First Lady!May 26 17:34
kakamamy father is a fox news republican, we'll agree on 'this system is controlled the fighting between people is a diversion from the issues' sort of thing but then he tacks on 'AND THE DEMOCRATS ARE THE ONES DOING IT'May 26 17:34
techrights-botWhen #malware has "more feature" is that really a net positive? 26 17:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Google's latest Chrome update brings some great new features - especially for Linux users | TechRadarMay 26 17:34
kakamalike so close to understanding, but unable to break out of the narrative of Red vs BlueMay 26 17:34
MinceRprobably works well for letting ~half the people let a given party get away with just about anythingMay 26 17:34
MinceR"i'm sure the other party would be even worse"May 26 17:34
kakamaor for the kids who aren't into that, the Nazi vs Commie narrative that for some reason is getting a remakeMay 26 17:34
MinceR=> carte blancheMay 26 17:34
kakamaI actually enjoyed Trump because he wasn't really a Republican, he was just kind of his own crazy thingMay 26 17:34
kakamawatching the Republican actors fall over themselves to see if they were going to go with party lines or stand by their principles was fucking hilariousMay 26 17:35
kakamaand then the Democrat people just trying to burn everything down for 4 years, turning the full force of the media machine against him, every trick you could pullMay 26 17:36
MinceRtwo-party system at its worstMay 26 17:36
kakamayupMay 26 17:36
kakamaanyone who couldn't see what a farce it is after the last 4 years, I don't know how to helpMay 26 17:36
kakamabut the entertainment is good and people believe in the showMay 26 17:36
kakamaculture war is always this brilliant smokescreenMay 26 17:36
techrights-botOh gosh. #WordPress running out of ideas and trying to copy #Facebook now. Bloat.May 26 17:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-News – Coloring Your Images With Duotone Filters – WordPress.orgMay 26 17:36
kakamasome huge number of lgbt and black and etc people surely did not want to be dragged into the culture war the way they are being used righ tnowMay 26 17:37
techrights-botThe way things are going, #wordpress will become another #phpnuke and then nuke itself.May 26 17:37
kakamabut TPTB had to distract from Occupy somehowMay 26 17:37
kakamaeasy enough to use psyops to destroy a movement from inside, and then ramp up culture war stuff to increase infighting so people don't unite againMay 26 17:38
kakamatho with the extremism that it breeds that might backfire one day in our futureMay 26 17:38
schestowitzsectarian superficialityMay 26 17:38
kakamalike home grown al queda tier radicalismMay 26 17:38
schestowitzin the future?May 26 17:38
schestowitzJanuary 6thMay 26 17:38
kakamaI've met all kinds of people who are absolutely steadfast in their conviction that within the next X years they are going to need to go to war to destroy, it varies, anything from the capitalists to the elites to the jews to globalhomo or whatever, same meal different flavorsMay 26 17:39
techrights-bot"Matt Mets of BlinkinLabs have been using the Raspberry Pi SBC and OpenOCD to debug Arm-based microcontroller boards for a while, but found it to be a pain to find jumper wires and look up the pin-outs manually each time." 26 17:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | JTAG Hat for Raspberry Pi eases debugging with OpenOCD - CNX SoftwareMay 26 17:39
kakamaLike I'm prepared for civil war but just because I know most radical sides will want me dead for one reason or another, gonna have to defend myselfMay 26 17:40
kakamaif it actually pops off, we as a people have lost to the influences of various dark powersMay 26 17:40
kakamait would mean we fell for the ruseMay 26 17:40
kakamaculture war smokescreen example: 4473 firearms form updated 'to add non-binary to the sex category' making those who pay attention to such things get mad about culturalmarxismglobalhomo etcMay 26 17:41
techrights-bot"A week ago, I blogged about a vulnerability in a platform that would allow anyone to download users’ amortisation schedules. This was a critical issue, but it wasn’t really exploitable in the wild as it included a part where you had to guess the name of the document to download." 26 17:42
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Andrea Scarpino - Sharing your loan details to anyoneMay 26 17:42
kakamaactual change to the form that mattered: rearranging the document so that you can scan one side and have all the data you need on the purchase and what weapons were in it, whereas before you would have to open the thing up and scan two sidesMay 26 17:42
kakamaculture war smokescreen example: literally everything happening in teh FOSS world right nowMay 26 17:42
techrights-bot"Just one week after #AMDVLK 2021.Q2.3 is now another update to this open-source #AMD Vulkan driver for Linux systems." 26 17:42
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-AMDVLK 2021.Q2.4 Released With Two More Extensions Added - PhoronixMay 26 17:42
kakamagit master, whiteblacklist, CoC, Stallin the StallmanMay 26 17:43
kakamabut I'm just preaching to the choir at this pointMay 26 17:43
kakamaimma go get a bento boxMay 26 17:43
schestowitzyou need to chillMay 26 17:43
schestowitzyou are acting like a trollMay 26 17:43
schestowitzand throw provocations in all directionsMay 26 17:43
schestowitzhoping something will stickMay 26 17:43
schestowitzyou can focus on the issues without doing any of thatMay 26 17:44
kakamaI guess that's reflexive but these are all related issues in my mind, symptoms of some greater trendMay 26 17:44
kakamathe actual cause of which I do not understandMay 26 17:44
schestowitzif you want to help us (you are new; I know nothing about you), then you will change the tone and styleMay 26 17:44
kakamaI am definitely rambling though, I haven't eaten all day and have just been talking for 4 hours giving a lecture to customersMay 26 17:45
schestowitzare you a grown-up? Can you do that?May 26 17:45
kakamayeah I'll lurk moreMay 26 17:45
schestowitzOKMay 26 17:45
schestowitzmost channels would have thrown you over the fence by nowMay 26 17:45
schestowitzesp. as you are newMay 26 17:45
kakamaI will need to assess what I said later in the context of the channel vibes I guess because I genuinely wasn't trollingMay 26 17:48
techrights-botAmerican ISP Sent Customer a #DMCA for Downloading #Ubuntu 26 17:48
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Comcast Sends Copyright Notice to a User for Downloading Ubuntu ISO via Torrent | Tux MachinesMay 26 17:48
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*schestowitz back to techMay 26 17:48
techrights-bot#Inkscape 1.1 Released! How to Install in #Ubuntu 20.04 #gnu #linuxMay 26 17:50
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Welcome to Inkscape 1.1! | Tux MachinesMay 26 17:50
techrights-botTurn Your Tablet Or Phone Into A Graphic Tablet / Touch Screen For Your Desktop With #Weylus • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ #GNU #Linux #TuxMachinesMay 26 17:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Turn Your Tablet Or Phone Into A Graphic Tablet / Touch Screen For Your Desktop With Weylus | Tux MachinesMay 26 17:51
techrights-bot" #AssaultCube , a name I bet plenty of Linux users know but haven't heard anything of in a long time. It hasn't seen a release since *checks notes* 2013. However, it's going to make a return." 26 17:52
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Classic freeware shooter 'AssaultCube' is making a comeback | GamingOnLinuxMay 26 17:52
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techrights-bot#UnrealEngine 5 goes out in Early Access with continued Linux support | GamingOnLinux ⚓ ䷉ #GamingOnLinux #GNU #Linux #Games 🐧 | more in 26 17:53
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Unreal Engine 5 goes out in Early Access with continued Linux support | GamingOnLinuxMay 26 17:53
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Social Control Media PostsMay 26 17:53
techrights-bot#Games : #SteamPal and Several New Titles for GNU/Linux • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ #GNU #Linux #TuxMachinesMay 26 17:55
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Games: SteamPal and Several New Titles for GNU/Linux | Tux MachinesMay 26 17:55
schestowitzalextee[m]: that's very oldMay 26 17:55
schestowitzI saw it more than 5 years agiMay 26 17:55
schestowitz*agoMay 26 17:55
schestowitzand Microsoft missingMay 26 17:56
schestowitzthey like it like that, the "GAFA" decoyMay 26 17:56
schestowitzMicrosoft gets access to all of Facebook's dataMay 26 17:56
schestowitzso you know they are, by definition, worse than FBMay 26 17:56
schestowitzwhether also worse than Google on grounds of PRIVACY ALONE, that's debatable...May 26 17:56
samiamsamif FB is the one giving them the data, then FB is the worse one, since it's upstreamMay 26 17:57
samiamsamas i see itMay 26 17:58
alextee[m]<schestowitz "Microsoft gets access to all of "> did not know thatMay 26 17:58
techrights-bot#Ardour 6.7 Digital Audio Workstation Brings Brew of Features and Fixes 26 17:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Ardour 6.7 Open-Source DAW Released with Dedicated “Recorder” Tab, Many Improvements | Tux MachinesMay 26 17:58
techrights-bot#gnu #linux 1990: rtfm, n00b, you bring a culture here that would harm technical merit GNU/Linux 2021: So-called 'Open Source' people helping Microsoft seed lies inside the media (like the "loves Linux" BS) while signing mob letters to CANCEL the very FOUNDER of GNU/LinuxMay 26 18:01
techrights-botPure #greenwashing by #Microsoft and proxies #linuxfoundation is profoundly compromised and should be disbanded for #gnu #linux to grow...May 26 18:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Linux Foundation Working for Microsoft and GitHub Now | Tux MachinesMay 26 18:04
schestowitzalextee[m]: old news, too 26 18:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Facebook - TechrightsMay 26 18:04
schestowitzstill confirmed at presentMay 26 18:04
schestowitzthe media confirmed it's still going onMay 26 18:04
schestowitza few years agoMay 26 18:04
techrights-bot#bigPharma #patent #cartel is now weaponising #corporateMedia for misleading puff pieces and inherently racist lies. Says a lot about integrity of such (so-called) media...May 26 18:06
techrights-botPerson who blackmailed the FSF into expelling its founder and banishing the founder of #GNU #Linux tells us that #freenode is no good and we should move to a network he controls. Notice overlaps. 26 18:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | PSA: Ubuntu's IRC Channels Have Moved from Freenode to Libera Chat - OMG! Ubuntu!May 26 18:09
techrights-botThis headline is a lie because the number of users has hardly changed #freenodeMay 26 18:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Freenode, The Mainstream IRC Network, Is CollapsingMay 26 18:12
techrights-botThe 'cancel Freenode' people, such as Lorenzo Franceschi-Bicchierai (moments ago, once again), are employed by the very same publication that kickstarted the anti-RMS movement by distorting what he had said days after #BillGates made headlines over #Epstein connections in #MITMay 26 18:14
downey[m]FTFY: "However, few weeks, Shells logo, a company Lee co-founded, appeared on the homepage of Freenode, replacing a different logo of another company Lee co-founded in the same location for many years."May 26 18:15
schestowitzthat logo was there in MarchMay 26 18:16
schestowitz 26 18:17
schestowitzPIA was there for half a decadeMay 26 18:17
schestowitzShells in March of this yearMay 26 18:17
schestowitzafter 5 years of his brother's businessMay 26 18:17
schestowitztimeline: 26 18:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Freenode Ads/Company Banners Are a 2-Decade Tradition Which Predates PIA/LTM | TechrightsMay 26 18:18
techrights-bot#ibm #clowncomputing hype for #outsourcing not working out, right? "Maybe they will start doing what they do with financials - that is, recategorizing all severity 1 as severity 2, so they can then claim "look no more severity 1 issues!"" 26 18:19
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | IBM Cloud resets ‘Days Since Last Major Incident’ clock to zero – after just five days - post regarding IBM layoffsMay 26 18:19
techrights-bot#Security Leftovers • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ #GNU #Linux #TuxMachinesMay 26 18:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Security Leftovers | Tux MachinesMay 26 18:22
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techrights-botSuch a "best-protected brands list" would probably be just some #thinktank for #law firms. Buy our services today to 'protect' you... 26 18:24
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | European and consumer brands dominate Clarivate’s first-ever best-protected brands list | World Trademark ReviewMay 26 18:24
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techrights-botUS 2A harms #privacy 26 18:31
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Illinois FOID Act: An unconstitutional law that invades privacy of gun owners and doesn’t lower crime. It’s a biometrics program that spies on lawful citizens. – BaronHK's RantsMay 26 18:31
techrights-botToday’s #HowTos | #UNIX • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ #GNU #Linux #TuxMachinesMay 26 18:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | today's howtos | Tux MachinesMay 26 18:36
techrights-botMany #PostgreSQL -Related Releases • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ #psql #postgres #TuxMachinesMay 26 18:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Many PostgreSQL-Related Releases | Tux MachinesMay 26 18:36
techrights-bot"We are looking for an individual or company to implement the new TDF Membership Committee’s web-based tooling." #libreoffice #documentFoundation 26 18:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Tender to implement the new TDF Membership Committee’s web-based tooling (#202105-01) - The Document Foundation BlogMay 26 18:38
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techrights-botStable Kernels: 5.12.7, 5.10.40, 5.4.122, 4.19.192, 4.14.234, 4.9.270 , and 4.4.270 • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ #Kernel #Linux #TuxMachinesMay 26 18:42
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Stable Kernels: 5.12.7, 5.10.40, 5.4.122, 4.19.192, 4.14.234, 4.9.270 , and 4.4.270 | Tux MachinesMay 26 18:42
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techrights-botLinks 26/5/2021: #IBM #ClownComputing Issues, #DMCA Versus #Ubuntu ISO • 𝔗𝔢𝔠𝔥𝔯𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔰 ⚓ ䷉ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW | ♾ Gemini address: gemini:// 26 19:02
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Links 26/5/2021: IBM Clown Computing Issues, DMCA Versus Ubuntu ISO | TechrightsMay 26 19:02
techrights-botToday’s 𝐓𝐮𝐱 𝐌𝐚𝐜𝐡𝐢𝐧𝐞𝐬 Leftovers • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ #GNU #Linux #TuxMachinesMay 26 19:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | today's leftovers | Tux MachinesMay 26 19:03
techrights-bot#OpenHardware : #RaspberryPi and ARM • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ #GNU #Linux #TuxMachinesMay 26 19:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Open Hardware: Raspberry Pi and ARM | Tux MachinesMay 26 19:03
techrights-bot#FreeSoftware Leftovers • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines #freeswMay 26 19:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Free Software Leftovers | Tux MachinesMay 26 19:04
techrights-bot#Google #Android Leftovers • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ #Linux #TuxMachinesMay 26 19:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Android Leftovers | Tux MachinesMay 26 19:04
techrights-bot#Programming Leftovers • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ #GNU #Linux #TuxMachinesMay 26 19:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Programming Leftovers | Tux MachinesMay 26 19:05
techrights-bot#ProprietarySoftware and More • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ #GNU #Linux #TuxMachinesMay 26 19:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Proprietary Software and More | Tux MachinesMay 26 19:06
techrights-botBenchmarking #AMD Ryzen 5 5500U Linux Performance With A $450 #Lenovo Laptop • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ #GNU #Linux #TuxMachinesMay 26 19:06
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Benchmarking AMD Ryzen 5 5500U Linux Performance With A $450 Lenovo Laptop | Tux MachinesMay 26 19:06
techrights-ipfs ▕  IPFS downstream, 60 mins: ▄▅▂▆▁▂▆▆▄▅▄▅▅▁▅▃▆▅▅▅▂▂▆▅▅▄▅▁▆▃▅▆▁ avg(k/sec) 21.96 ▕  IPFS upstream: ▁▂▁▂▁▂▂▂▁▃▂▁▂▁▁▂▁▂█▁▂▃▂▃█▂█▁▂▂▂▁ avg(k/sec) 42.16▕ swarm size (avg): 231.04  ⟲May 26 19:15
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techrights-botThis is exactly what I said, all along, would happen. When you start a fork based on a phony 'issue', such as "GIMP" (acronym) supposedly offending people, nobody would flock over 26 19:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | GIMP Fork 'Glimpse' is on Pause, No Further Updates Planned for Now - OMG! Ubuntu!May 26 19:23
techrights-bot#LinuxFoundation has become a front that's #greenwashing corrupt company that attacks Linux. This is truly disturbing as Microsoftr vendor capture tactics have hijacked the brand "Linux" itself. #ProprietarySofwtare #entryismMay 26 19:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Linux Foundation Working for Microsoft and GitHub Now | Tux MachinesMay 26 19:27
techrights-bot#JimZemlin : Open Source Loves #Microsoft • 𝔗𝔢𝔠𝔥𝔯𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔰 ⚓ ䷉ #Techrights #FreeSW | ♾ Gemini address: gemini:// 26 19:28
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Jim Zemlin: Open Source Loves Microsoft | TechrightsMay 26 19:28
techrights-bot#mozilla as #censorship vendor #internet browser company or Internet police?May 26 19:30
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Mozilla reacts to the European Commission’s guidance on the revision of the EU Code of Practice on Disinformation - Open Policy & AdvocacyMay 26 19:30
techrights-botIf #google doesn't kill #mozilla over the next 5 years (Google needs Mozilla to pretend there's still competition and bemoan antitrust action), #firefox might join the laughable cloud club of Web 'browsers' that tell you which site/page you can access and which you cannotMay 26 19:31
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techrights-bot"Cockpit is the modern #GNU #Linux admin interface. We release regularly. Here are the release notes from Cockpit version 245 and cockpit-podman version 31." 26 19:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Cockpit 245 — Cockpit ProjectMay 26 19:32
techrights-bot"It's time we pushed forwards in our exploration of #XFCE , this time, we're going to look at the default applications that this desktop ships, and reflect a little bit on their approach, that is really different from other desktop environments" 26 19:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-XFCE Default apps - How is everything so FAST? - YouTubeMay 26 19:34
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-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Freenode IRC staff resign en masse after takeover by Korea’s “crown prince” | Ars TechnicaMay 26 19:36
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techrights-bot#OpenOCD -ready HAT turns the Pi into a debugger with Cortex-M and JTAG headers #gnu #linuxMay 26 19:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Open Hardware: Raspberry Pi and ARM | Tux MachinesMay 26 19:38
downey[m]I didn't know Ars was so big into stenographyMay 26 19:38
schestowitzit changedMay 26 19:39
schestowitzthey lost a lort of the staffMay 26 19:39
schestowitz*lotMay 26 19:39
schestowitzalso Wired, same ownerMay 26 19:39
schestowitzthey started cross postingMay 26 19:39
schestowitzArs took a  massive tumble when an editor, Microsoft Peter, was arrested for raping childrenMay 26 19:40
schestowitzthat was 2 years agoMay 26 19:40
schestowitzMicrosoft lost a key "asset", their main one in ArsMay 26 19:40
schestowitzAdmFubar: it's the headline that says what agenda they haveMay 26 19:40
schestowitzthere's no such thingMay 26 19:40
schestowitzthey make it seem like david vs goliathMay 26 19:41
schestowitzwhen in fact sometimes it's the 'davids' who are fronting for the richMay 26 19:41
schestowitzand take away from startupsMay 26 19:41
MinceR(cat) 26 19:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object (5348075)May 26 19:44
AdmFubar 26 19:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Freenode IRC operators now engaging in routine abuses of power | Hacker NewsMay 26 19:45
techrights-botMaterial Shell Gets #GNOMEShell 40 Support, New Overview And #Gtk4 Settings #gnome #gnuMay 26 19:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | GNOME 40's Shell Theme Code Is Rather Expensive But Optimization Pursued | Tux MachinesMay 26 19:46
techrights-botFour years of #postmarketOS / #AlpineConf 2021 • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ #GNU #Linux #TuxMachinesMay 26 19:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Four years of postmarketOS / AlpineConf 2021 | Tux MachinesMay 26 19:47
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XRevan86AdmFubar: Old news, it got bigger from then.May 26 19:48
techrights-bot#linuxfoundation thinks #linux people are a bunch of idiots who can be lied to 26 19:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Jim Zemlin: Open Source Loves Microsoft | TechrightsMay 26 19:49
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techrights-botPlans for physical events of #geminiSpace users and devs #geminiprotocol #europeMay 26 19:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Gemini meetup?May 26 19:54
AdmFubarNot old news... these are updates to the situation. one can glean a few new insights to the takeoverMay 26 19:55
techrights-bot#EuroLinux 8.3-beta is now available. #gnu #linux #poland #pl 26 19:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | EuroLinux Sp. z o.o. – profesjonalne rozwiązania Open SourceMay 26 19:56
XRevan86AdmFubar: The comments there are 3-4 days old, no one covered what happened yesterday.May 26 19:56
techrights-bot3,180 new #covid19 cases and 9 new deaths in the United Kingdom. Highest in several weeks. I still expect lock-downs to resume by autumn. We've already quit the gym (2 days ago) as it no longer feels safe; overconfident people not keeping distance and overcrowding.May 26 19:58
lockeanarchistlolMay 26 20:00
lockeanarchistafter this purge I think that Freenode is done. tbhMay 26 20:00
techrights-bot#New Design and modern Core: #Univention Corporate Server 5.0 has been released • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ #Debian #GNU #Linux #TuxMachinesMay 26 20:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | New Design and modern Core: Univention Corporate Server 5.0 has been released | Tux MachinesMay 26 20:04
MinceR 26 20:05
XRevan86MinceR: They speak of the log screenshot in 26 20:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | freenode exists for FOSS - freenodeMay 26 20:09
MinceRthis particular log?May 26 20:09
MinceRi thought that article was posted before the freenodecom nuke was droppedMay 26 20:09
XRevan86I personally love how Andrew forms every sentence in such a formal way that he clearly intended to screenshot it %)May 26 20:09
XRevan86MinceR: Maybe, I still wanted to show my appreciation to that one thoughMay 26 20:10
XRevan86MinceR: – they're talking about this one indeed.May 26 20:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | The status of freenode (the IRC network used by KDE)May 26 20:11
MinceRXRevan86: Fuchs was k-lined at 05-26 2:32, freenodecom was active around 05-26 5:05May 26 20:13
XRevan86MinceR: And the screenshot is from 05-25May 26 20:13
MinceRthe screenshot i posted is from after the freenodecom thingMay 26 20:14
XRevan86MinceR: Ah, ye misunderstood. *They* on the screenshot mentioned that other screenshot.May 26 20:14
MinceRah, okMay 26 20:14
MinceR(the above times are CEST)May 26 20:14
XRevan86(how un-universal)May 26 20:15
MinceR:>May 26 20:15
XRevan86Darth Iversal?May 26 20:15
lockeanarchistthe problem is that many people that where undecided about freenode and just announcing that they were undecided got a freenodecom visit hahaMay 26 20:15
MinceR:>May 26 20:15
MinceRDarth BecileMay 26 20:15
XRevan86lockeanarchist: And even those who didn't have decided.May 26 20:16
lockeanarchistyeahMay 26 20:16
XRevan86A tipping point, as they say.May 26 20:16
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XRevan86The year is 1937May 26 20:17
lockeanarchistif they were trying to stop the bleeding they just opened the wound moreMay 26 20:17
lockeanarchistI won't be surprised if lc surpasses fn in this current yearMay 26 20:18
XRevan86freenode Trials: Trial of the Anti-freenode Liberian Center – In the freenode 17 leading staffers go on trial, accused of participating in a plot led by tomaw to overthrow Andrew Lee's regime, and assassinate its shareholders.May 26 20:18
XRevan86 26 20:19
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Moscow Trials - WikipediaMay 26 20:19
techrights-bot#UnrealEngine 5 Hits Early Access, Linux Still Supported - Phoronix ⚓ ䷉ #Phoronix #Kernel #Linux 🐧 | more in 26 20:19
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Unreal Engine 5 Hits Early Access, Linux Still Supported - PhoronixMay 26 20:19
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Social Control Media PostsMay 26 20:19
XRevan86The references write themselves.May 26 20:19
MinceR 26 20:19
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | File:Flag of Liberia.svg - WikipediaMay 26 20:19
techrights-botLinux Picks Up Fix For Latest "Confused Deputy" Weakness Going Back To 2.6.12 Kernel - Phoronix ⚓ ䷉ #Phoronix #Kernel #Linux #SecurityMay 26 20:20
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Linux Picks Up Fix For Latest "Confused Deputy" Weakness Going Back To 2.6.12 Kernel - PhoronixMay 26 20:20
lockeanarchist"let's decentralize"! Proceed to take down all ops that put "lc" in the channel topic :)May 26 20:22
XRevan86lockeanarchist: Trotskist treason will not be toleratedMay 26 20:22
techrights-botAnnouncing #Oracle #GNU #Linux Clown Native Environment Release 1.3 26 20:24
XRevan86lockeanarchist: We can all talk about the World Revolution, how it's good and all, but Trotsky's ideas will never work and as such he's effectively working for the capitalist enemy, so we should start treating them as such.May 26 20:25
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techrights-botAnnouncing the release of #Oracle Linux 8 Update 4 • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ #GNU #Linux #TuxMachinesMay 26 20:27
XRevan86lockeanarchist: So that's the line of thinking I'm seeing here basically.May 26 20:27
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techrights-bot#IBM working with "USAID, the Clinton Global Initiative"... what could go wrong? 26 20:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Grillo tests earthquake detection system in Puerto Rico – IBM DeveloperMay 26 20:40
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-TechrightsBot-tr/ | An open letter from Atheme’s developers and community | atheme-open-letterMay 26 20:59
XRevan86schestowitz: also a post on Twatter, thus unimportant?May 26 21:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Open Source Lab (@osuosl): "We were proud to be an early sponsor of #freenode back in the day. Thanks for the shout out on the importance of our role" | nitterMay 26 21:01
XRevan86(I know ye moved on and everything)May 26 21:05
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sebsebsebmekkis: schestowitz pingMay 26 21:10
sebsebsebrasengan:  ping May 26 21:10
sebsebsebrasengan: whoops looks like lots of communities don't trust you for some reason so going to that other network, but nevemindMay 26 21:11
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baronhk[m]Facebook got revenge for calling them out for privacy issues.May 26 21:33
baronhk[m]They cooked up some incompatibility that disappeared if you used a Chrome UA.May 26 21:34
sebsebseboh noMay 26 21:34
sebsebsebmost of the people are leaving freenodeMay 26 21:34
sebsebsebor a lotMay 26 21:34
downey[m]"Repeat a lie often enough and it becomes the truth"May 26 21:35
sebsebsebubuntu just leftMay 26 21:35
MinceRi won't miss ubuntuMay 26 21:35
sebsebsebothers already haveMay 26 21:35
sebsebsebmore to followMay 26 21:35
sebsebsebthe new most popular channel is looking like ##linux on here nowMay 26 21:36
saint_dogbertThe big question is; will they take #Arch with them May 26 21:36
sebsebsebdowney[m]: what like iwth some of hte covid stuff possibly ?May 26 21:36
baronhk[m]Google has created incompatibilities and hid them behind Chrome UAs or actually figured out non-standard features in the Chromium engine and implemented features using that.May 26 21:37
XRevan86saint_dogbert: What's there?May 26 21:37
baronhk[m]Like the Polymer user interface for Youtube.May 26 21:37
saint_dogbertXRevan86: the arch linux channel May 26 21:37
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XRevan86saint_dogbert: 26 21:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Arch IRC channels - ArchWikiMay 26 21:37
baronhk[m]Microsoft also complained that Google figured out how EdgeHTML's hardware assisted video decode worked and deliberately put an invisible iframe in front of the video to prevent it from working so that the laptop would get hot and drain the battery.May 26 21:38
XRevan86saint_dogbert: Because of the channel take-over thing on freenode ye may need to manually consult the websites to see which channel is official.May 26 21:38
MinceRmicrosoft doesn't like the taste of their own medicine?May 26 21:38
saint_dogbertXRevan86: I don't want to know what their official channel is, let alone consult with them May 26 21:39
XRevan86saint_dogbert: Oh, I thought ye asked a question. Never mind then.May 26 21:39
saint_dogbertI think its stupid to close a big channel on a network just because they don't like the owner and some staffers are/were having a hissy fit about it May 26 21:40
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XRevan86(the answer to that question was "yes", anyway)May 26 21:40
psydroidthe Ubuntu WSL guy is at SUSE nowMay 26 21:40
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buzzertim a little behind on the freenode controversy. the exodus was precipitated by some big lie?May 26 22:08
MinceRthere was at least one lieMay 26 22:08
MinceRproblem is, we don't know which statements are liesMay 26 22:08
XRevan86buzzert: Which exodus? The initial one or the new wave?May 26 22:09
MinceRand yeah, then there was an ill-conceived bot operation that resulted on the takeover of many channelsMay 26 22:09
buzzertnew wave? i didnt hear about the initial oneMay 26 22:10
buzzertwhat is the motivation behind the bot operation?May 26 22:10
XRevan86buzzert: A week ago and nowMay 26 22:10
MinceRsomething like they wanted the channels of moved projects to be open and usable, except their policy means users would have to use about (##) channels instead anywayMay 26 22:12
MinceRalso, they probably didn't like oftc and libera being advertised in topicsMay 26 22:12
XFaCEI think the lesson here is that we should not look for nuance in situations and always blindly follow the groupthink.May 26 22:14
MinceRlolMay 26 22:14
saint_dogbertlolMay 26 22:14
buzzerthahaMay 26 22:15
baronhk[m]The problem with feeding Google Chrome UAs to Google is that it may work or it may direct you to something that doesn't work at all.May 26 22:19
baronhk[m]They implement entire websites on functionality that was already rejected for standardization and then feed that to Chrome and a version with less features to everyone else.May 26 22:19
baronhk[m]I doubt that Edge is safe because it advertises itself as "Edg" instead of "Edge" now and it has a different UA, which is exactly what was triggering compatibility problems for Vivaldi and Brave.May 26 22:20
prurigroin a lot of cases I've found firefox works perfectly well on sites that reject anything but chromium once you spoofMay 26 22:20
prurigronot that those are sites that deserve attentionMay 26 22:21
baronhk[m]They just say they're Chrome. Still, my bank figured out a way to match the exact Chrome version numbers and won't let you log in without an actual match to a released stable version of Chrome that is fairly recent.May 26 22:21
baronhk[m]So you can't log in under Brave without faking the UA.May 26 22:21
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baronhk[m]Arguing with websites about compatibility is usually a waste of time. Once you drop below about 5%, they no longer care and increasingly start sticking out "Come back in this other browser.".May 26 22:22
prurigrospoofing your UA is a good way to get them to ignore a given browser on that noteMay 26 22:23
baronhk[m]Well, they're not going to support you either way.May 26 22:24
prurigromy bank didn't originally support firefox and now it doesMay 26 22:25
prurigroor rather, they went from partial to full supportMay 26 22:25
baronhk[m]BofA required IE 6 for a very long time even after it became clear what an ongoing disaster IE 6 was and that all malware that installed itself by visiting a site was targeting it.May 26 22:25
MinceRbofa, eh? 26 22:26
baronhk[m]IE 6 was so bad that if Microsoft was still actively supporting it and the web was frozen exactly where it was back then, they could keep patching it for 20 more years and it still wouldn't matter much.May 26 22:27
baronhk[m]Compatibility with the original design means you can't fix it.May 26 22:27
MinceRie6 was so bad microsoft wants it to exist foreverMay 26 22:28
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baronhk[m]They hid some things behind "click to activate" with XP SP2.May 26 22:28
baronhk[m]Then malicious websites just had an arrow that said "Click here.".May 26 22:28
baronhk[m]"When a screen like this pops up, click Allow."May 26 22:29
XRevan86 oh hey, why did I find out about this from OpenNET?May 26 22:30
baronhk[m]I tried using Steam for "Linux" and I honestly think that Proton is less of a disaster than some of the native ports.May 26 22:30
XRevan86Ah, I'm blind.May 26 22:30
XRevan86(18:23:44) techrights-bot: This is exactly what I said, all along, would happen. When you start a fork based on a phony 'issue', such as "GIMP" (acronym) supposedly offending people, nobody would flock over 26 22:31
baronhk[m]Borderlands 2 ported by Aspyr stopped working almost as soon as the next versions of the distributions came out six months later.May 26 22:31
baronhk[m]And their tickets were always closed saying "Try it on Ubuntu 16.04" or something like that.May 26 22:31
baronhk[m]It left me hacking at the sides going "Okay, you know, it crashes at the title screen, so maybe if I delete the video file with the logos.".May 26 22:32
sebsebsebzha haMay 26 22:34
sebsebsebso even techrighs has split kind ofMay 26 22:34
baronhk[m] 26 22:35
sebsebsebthere's an unoffial channel on liera :DMay 26 22:35
sebsebsebliberaMay 26 22:35
baronhk[m]The dlls are "closed source" and "part of Windows".May 26 22:35
CrystalMathsebsebseb: best of luck to themMay 26 22:35
baronhk[m]So of no use to actual Linux.May 26 22:35
baronhk[m]Aside from that, they love Linux.May 26 22:35
baronhk[m]I wonder how Proton is coming along with games that use a recent version of DirectX.May 26 22:35
saint_dogbertYeah, I believe that like I believe Crazy Joe really does want to work with both sidesMay 26 22:35
XRevan86sebsebseb: It's been there since day one, superkuh organised it.May 26 22:37
alextee[m]<XRevan86 "(18:23:44) techrights-bot: This "> glad to see this happenMay 26 22:44
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sebsebsebXRevan86: yep he wants to fork it or kind ofMay 26 22:58
sebsebsebor get away from you lotMay 26 22:59
sebsebsebthe real tehrights pepoleMay 26 22:59
sebsebsebtechrights without MinceR no that so woudn't be the sameMay 26 22:59
XRevan86sebsebseb: He's keeping the place warmMay 26 22:59
sebsebsebMinceR: AppleMay 26 22:59
sebsebsebMinceR: Microsoft IBM   May 26 22:59
sebsebsebCanonicalMay 26 22:59
CrystalMathsebsebseb: you're saying superkuh is a traitor?May 26 22:59
sebsebsebCrystalMath:  maybe he isMay 26 22:59
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MinceRlolMay 26 23:13
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schestowitz[21:40] <psydroid> the Ubuntu WSL guy is at SUSE nowMay 26 23:55
schestowitzwhich one?May 26 23:55
schestowitzthe one who pretends to be "unix" man?May 26 23:55

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