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schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: India one million tests per dayAug 30 00:32
schestowitzUS 700,000 on FridayAug 30 00:32
schestowitzabout 7% positiveAug 30 00:32
schestowitzFrance 140k testsAug 30 00:32
schestowitz7k positiveAug 30 00:33
schestowitzso about 5% which is also rather bad nowAug 30 00:33
schestowitzIndonesia and Philippines starting to take it really hard nowAug 30 00:34
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schestowitzabout 100 deaths/dayAug 30 00:34
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MinceR(cat) https://ircz.de/p/20012830Aug 30 02:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object (4315779)Aug 30 02:09
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz A lot of it is their voters being as dumb as they are.Aug 30 02:09
schestowitzas much in life...Aug 30 02:10
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schestowitzhttps://www.twobirds.com/en/our-lawyers/search-results?action=getlawyersbylocation&location=%7b42DEF871-B7F5-4B70-AC32-88538D85435A%7dAug 30 02:31
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.twobirds.com | Contact searchAug 30 02:31
schestowitzbullying by Debian against WBers come from these peopleAug 30 02:31
schestowitzDebian wastes money trying to bury the truth about some cabal that took bribes from GAFAMAug 30 02:32
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schestowitz> You must read this also:  http://techrights.org/2020/06/11/gnome-money/Aug 30 03:03
schestowitzMaybe the lawyers just did this for attention?Aug 30 03:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | [Humour] Where Did GNOME Foundation Put All That Money? | TechrightsAug 30 03:03
schestowitz(quote)Aug 30 03:03
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DaemonFC[m]Into removing more features from Nautilus.Aug 30 03:35
schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: can you help me here?Aug 30 03:36
schestowitzneed another proofreader..Aug 30 03:36
schestowitz"Aug 30 03:36
schestowitz      <li>Aug 30 03:36
schestowitz        <h5><a href="https://www.counterpunch.org/2020/08/28/nick-sandmann-gops-poster-child-for-fake-victimhood/">Nick Sandmann: GOP's Poster Child for Fake Victimhood</a></h5>Aug 30 03:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Nick Sandmann: GOP's Poster Child for Fake Victimhood - CounterPunch.orgAug 30 03:36
schestowitz        <blockquote>Aug 30 03:36
schestowitz          <p>A common complaint among Republicans is that their opponents are mainly in the business of manufacturing victims and turning those victims into Democratic voters.</p></blockquote></li>Aug 30 03:36
schestowitz"Aug 30 03:36
schestowitzoopsAug 30 03:36
schestowitzwrong pasteAug 30 03:37
schestowitzDebian ‘Coup’ Followed by Harassment and Threats to Whistleblowers (at the Expense of Very Limited — Albeit Secret — Debian Funds)Aug 30 03:37
schestowitzThis is an important postAug 30 03:37
schestowitzDebian is trying to hide wrongdoingAug 30 03:37
DaemonFC[m]Link?Aug 30 03:38
schestowitzhttp://techrights.org/2020/08/29/debian-switzerland-money/Aug 30 03:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Debian ‘Coup’ Followed by Harassment and Threats to Whistleblowers (at the Expense of Very Limited — Albeit Secret — Debian Funds) | TechrightsAug 30 03:39
schestowitzquick, before backup starts :-)Aug 30 03:39
kingoffrancelol i said the same thing literally yesterdayAug 30 03:40
kingoffranceyes whatever is going on they have adopted so-called "leftist" tactics for whatever reasonAug 30 03:40
kingoffranceim glad other ppl noticeAug 30 03:41
schestowitzand share evidenceAug 30 03:41
schestowitzthe key is, EVIDENCEAug 30 03:42
schestowitzthat's the harder partAug 30 03:44
schestowitzbut we have access to evidence nowAug 30 03:44
schestowitzand good explanation around this evidenceAug 30 03:44
DaemonFC[m]"To summarise what we shown"Aug 30 03:44
DaemonFC[m]have shownAug 30 03:44
DaemonFC[m]"breaks from tax."Aug 30 03:45
DaemonFC[m]I'd say taxpayer-funded giveaways.Aug 30 03:45
schestowitzyupAug 30 03:45
schestowitznice oneAug 30 03:45
DaemonFC[m]tax break implies that they might start paying taxes againAug 30 03:45
DaemonFC[m]"Yes, so much for “public interest…”"Aug 30 03:46
DaemonFC[m]No period. :PAug 30 03:46
DaemonFC[m]"Well, billionaires-owned media keeps telling us that billionaires are always “philanthropists” and “job creators”, so perhaps we’re supposed to think that billionaires exist in the “public interest” as well."Aug 30 03:46
DaemonFC[m]Awkward break for "as well" in the page formatting.Aug 30 03:46
schestowitz[03:46] <DaemonFC[m]> "Yes, so much for “public interest…”"Aug 30 03:47
schestowitzI thought the three dots countAug 30 03:47
DaemonFC[m]No, because they trail off inside the quotation marks. :)Aug 30 03:47
schestowitzmissing newlineAug 30 03:48
schestowitzlet me move them outside the marksAug 30 03:48
MinceRhttps://ircz.de/p/20082924Aug 30 03:49
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DaemonFC[m]Tax Giveaways and Layoffs Act.....Aug 30 03:50
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Today in Techrights http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/141517 [https://pleroma.site/objects/7d82d5fe-cf5c-4028-83d7-d3701e071343]Aug 30 03:52
schestowitzlolAug 30 03:53
schestowitzdescriptive for a changeAug 30 03:53
schestowitzbillionaires' bailoutAug 30 03:54
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: It seems like #Microsoft money for #Debian (conferences as conduits of bribes, not a new issue) has stopped for the first time in half a decade http://techrights.org/2020/08/29/debian-switzerland-money/ [https://pleroma.site/objects/6be8c9a9-4279-4048-9e40-563d88d06643]Aug 30 04:07
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Super Tux Kart Is An Open Source Mario Kart Racing Alternative That’s Peguin Powered http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/141467#comment-26262 [https://pleroma.site/objects/40a9b7fd-083f-42a8-895d-b4181a98cad6]Aug 30 04:14
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Bits from Debian: #DebConf20 online closes http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/141262#comment-26263 [https://pleroma.site/objects/3b6c2956-65e2-42f5-b7ef-aec7598a0137]Aug 30 04:29
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Wine compatibility layer sees a 5.16 development release http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/141497#comment-26264 [https://pleroma.site/objects/50ab584b-c2e2-470d-97b9-b77012d182af]Aug 30 04:36
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Games: Multiverse Time Travel, Steam, Dota and More http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/141518 [https://pleroma.site/objects/ed6d568c-2adf-4fc5-a6b7-70b3ce2bf261]Aug 30 04:40
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-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: GNOME: Drag n Drop adn GSoC Projects http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/141521 [https://pleroma.site/objects/4f435ea7-9213-49b6-aec4-0391bcb6ffa7]Aug 30 05:02
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-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Secure Your Online Accounts With 2FA And Open Source http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/141523 [https://pleroma.site/objects/9dbd6430-c2bf-4a1d-89e7-e2ee0951451e]Aug 30 05:39
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schestowitz 24 hours ago techrights released debian-private 1996-1997 archive. 24,000 requests since then. I assume that having a part two within a number of weeks would help maximise effect (enough time for readers to digest) http://techrights.org/transparency/debian/debian-private/threads.htmlAug 30 06:55
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DaemonFC[m]The PC babies weren't nearly as bad in the 90s.Aug 30 07:22
schestowitzMinceR: Two Lynx in Ontario Have Intense Conversation https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eaXmIPHrHmYAug 30 07:30
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Two Lynx in Ontario Have Intense Conversation - YouTubeAug 30 07:30
schestowitzhttp://techrights.org/transparency/debian/debian-private/msg04210.htmlAug 30 07:35
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schestowitz"Aug 30 07:35
schestowitzThere is a bug in the generic Xwindows xlock that allows users to obtainAug 30 07:35
schestowitza shell from it. Linux in general seems to have xlock non setuid root -Aug 30 07:35
schestowitzmaking the problem pretty much irrelevant for Linux. Can the variousAug 30 07:35
schestowitzvendors just confirm they ship xlock non setuid ?Aug 30 07:35
schestowitz"Aug 30 07:35
oiaohmschestowitz: and bugs like that still exist in xlock today.Aug 30 08:12
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scientesXRevan86, "why do we have that piece of information?" https://youtu.be/P05G89hgrPI?t=665Aug 30 10:28
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Dances to Flute Music and Obscene Verse. It's Roman Theater, Everybody: Crash Course Theater #5 - YouTubeAug 30 10:28
scientesoh that is greatAug 30 10:28
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MinceR30 083042 < schestowitz> MinceR: Two Lynx in Ontario Have Intense Conversation https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eaXmIPHrHmYAug 30 13:35
MinceRi've seen it :)Aug 30 13:35
scientesgutenberg.org is having difficultyAug 30 13:52
scientesThis Dulcitius is actually pretty goodAug 30 13:59
scienteshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oiTaAPIKrMkAug 30 14:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Resolving timed out after 10527 milliseconds ( status 0 @ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oiTaAPIKrMk )Aug 30 14:02
scientesis there an internet split right now?Aug 30 14:02
scientescause gutenberg.org being down is pretty wierd, and YouTube being down is kinda the definition of a netsplitAug 30 14:02
scienteslike we don't even have decent documentation of history of netsplitsAug 30 14:05
scienteslike that one that happened in the Red Sea when a suez cargo ship hit a cableAug 30 14:05
scientesit shows how divided everything is right nowAug 30 14:05
scientesthings happened and then everyone just forgetsAug 30 14:06
scienteseven when it is important, like the 1973 oil embargo, or those interesting net splitsAug 30 14:06
XRevan86scientes: YouTube works for me, Gutenberg doesn't.Aug 30 14:08
scientesyoutube works for me tooAug 30 14:09
scientesbut the gutenberg problem + youtube problem with the bot above made me wonderAug 30 14:09
scientesand I have spent too much time on the internet and experienced a few net splitsAug 30 14:09
scientesthey are always fixed fast, so the vast majority of people are completely oblivious about themAug 30 14:09
scientesthere was a quite serious net split like in 2005 or soAug 30 14:10
scienteslasted like half a day and I used google translate as a proxyAug 30 14:10
scientesdidn't happen to all networks, but comcast as a tier 1 was certainly effectedAug 30 14:10
scientesthat was one political, unlike the Red Sea one that happened more recentlyAug 30 14:11
MinceRplenty of broken stuff todayAug 30 14:12
scientesMinceR, that is all days, haAug 30 14:13
XRevan86"traceroute gutenberg.org" didn't leave RussiaAug 30 14:15
scientesbe2.sof2.co.ge for meAug 30 14:21
scienteswonder if that is georgia or sofia, bulgariaAug 30 14:21
scientesahh its sofiaAug 30 14:21
scientestbilisi->sofiaAug 30 14:21
scientestraceroute always breaksAug 30 14:22
scientesthis time with whatever bulgarian isp it goes to after the georgian ispAug 30 14:23
scientesits because it is based on changing the TTLAug 30 14:25
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schestowitz[13:35] <MinceR> i've seen it :)Aug 30 16:52
schestowitzit's a cat, so of course you did. silly me...Aug 30 16:52
MinceRi haven't seen them all :>Aug 30 16:54
scienteswow, there is a lot of history of theatreAug 30 17:21
scientesand because I am mostly unfamiliar with the material, I can't just  binge this like I did the historiesAug 30 17:22
MinceR(audio:important) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9rfYv661OP0Aug 30 17:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Name Your Animals - YouTubeAug 30 17:38
MinceR(nsfw) https://www.oglaf.com/falsecompare/Aug 30 18:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.oglaf.com | False CompareAug 30 18:01
scientespsydread, my Spanish reading speed has improved dramaticallyAug 30 18:20
scientesI think my friend in Perú was right when she said I've learned El Español, but just need to learn how to express myselfAug 30 18:23
MinceRhttps://www.oglaf.com/double-blind/Aug 30 18:24
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.oglaf.com | Double BlindAug 30 18:24
scientespsydread, its because I'm now thinking in Spanish instead of translating entre ellosAug 30 18:27
psydreadscientes, that's always the important switch to make, but you can only do that once you know the basicsAug 30 18:28
scientespsydread, yeah, but you don't learn the basic by "studying grammar"Aug 30 18:28
scientesso this is my second switchAug 30 18:28
scientesthe first was in accepting that I wanted to learn the languageAug 30 18:28
scientesand shortly after that I moved to Arequipa and started speaking it every day, and while I now realize I was speaking English to my girlfriend, I had really switched the curiosity of my language faculties, and my synthesis of language to Spanish at that pointAug 30 18:29
DaemonFC[m]The cop that busted me when I was a teenager died.Aug 30 18:29
scientesanyways, enough high-falutinAug 30 18:30
psydread"studying grammar" is useless, what little grammar you need should be part of the normal, natural learning processAug 30 18:30
DaemonFC[m]He was the Chief of Police in that town now, but he was 59 and the Coronavirus got him.Aug 30 18:30
scientesthe critical part is in PimsleursAug 30 18:30
DaemonFC[m]Triggered a massive heart attack.Aug 30 18:30
scientesalthough for spanish you have the get the old version they don't sell anymoreAug 30 18:30
scientesas they slowed down the language, and that makes it worthlessAug 30 18:30
scientesand quite ugly, they did it in software, the actors are speaking full speedAug 30 18:31
psydreadI can say lots of good things about Pimsleur, that was my first exposure to Persian to see if I even liked it and help me get up to speed relatively quicklyAug 30 18:31
scientesthe problem is not that people can't speak slow, the problem is that you end up with people over-acting, which Shakespear decriedAug 30 18:31
scienteswhen I spoke with the consule of Russia in Bolivia his precision with language was impressive, and he doesn't use English day-to-dayAug 30 18:32
scientesbut he did it special for meAug 30 18:32
scientesthat is a different approach from me----he goes into  a language already knowing what to sayAug 30 18:33
scientesand my girlfriend had the same approachAug 30 18:33
scientesits utility-based---looking for ways to express the same thingAug 30 18:33
scienteswhile I learn in the same way a child learns---its all about curiosityAug 30 18:33
scientesI am getting too embellishing about itAug 30 18:34
DaemonFC[m]Yeah, Job Corps is the biggest scam ever. Like most liberal programs that mean well, it's been completely trashed by the judicial system.Aug 30 18:35
scientesbut it if fun that my Spanish has improved so much, I have Candide in Spanish coming (I will not use this courier again), and then I hope to read some Spanish plays from their golden ageAug 30 18:35
DaemonFC[m]Judges go "Hey, why don't we dump these nasty little gangbangers into Job Corps and order them to learn something?".Aug 30 18:35
DaemonFC[m]Then all they do is bring crime there and ruin it for everyone who does need the help.Aug 30 18:35
DaemonFC[m]I got attacked a few times there.Aug 30 18:36
DaemonFC[m]A black guy came up to me and says, "Do you know where I'm from?". I said, "Uh, I'm guessing the south side of a major city.".Aug 30 18:36
psydreadI don't have a lot of Spanish books here, just a book by Gabriel García Márquez that's way too hard for my current level and a few I bought in Ireland and some Spanish magazines I brought from my tripsAug 30 18:37
scientespsydread, that book was really boring in EnglishAug 30 18:37
scientesI don't remember anything from itAug 30 18:37
psydreadbut yes, I've always been a fan of immersionAug 30 18:37
scientesit was soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo boringAug 30 18:38
psydreadas soon as you can use the language, do use it for everything you canAug 30 18:38
scientesbut yeah, I would love to read Don Quijote at some pointAug 30 18:38
psydreadI think I have a simplified reader somewhere aroundAug 30 18:39
scientespsydread, Disney is basically readers https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xgmh0rUdciEAug 30 18:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Alex - Pedirle a una estrella - YouTubeAug 30 18:40
psydreadscientes, it's simple language, easy enough to listen to over and over and improve your comprehension and maybe even your speaking fluencyAug 30 18:43
scientesexactlyAug 30 18:43
scientesand it has no implicit meaningsAug 30 18:44
scienteswhich is C1 levelAug 30 18:44
psydreadI should listen to them more tooAug 30 18:45
scientesif it gives you joyAug 30 18:45
MinceR(cat) https://ircz.de/p/2001279Aug 30 18:45
psydreadon the second listen I already got more than on the first oneAug 30 18:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object (4312637)Aug 30 18:45
scientesthere are also subtitlesAug 30 18:46
psydreadnow  I understand almost everything, I just had to tune into the languageAug 30 18:46
psydreadyeah, I just don't really need them for this song at leastAug 30 18:47
scientesthey just popped upAug 30 18:48
scientesfor meAug 30 18:48
scientesthat's kinda Disney's entire brand: no implicit meaningsAug 30 18:49
scientesif there are implicit meanings they use a different brand, like ParamountAug 30 18:50
scientesif it is Disney, people always say exactly what they meanAug 30 18:50
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psydreadI must say I haven't really paid attention to Disney since my teens, but I realise that it's  a good thing and they also have a lot of content in native languages rather than just dubbed  versions  of moviesAug 30 18:53
scientesand if its animated there is no native languageAug 30 18:53
scientespsydread, I think I said this before in here, but my most memorable language in Spanish was with a Brazilian whose English was just too horribleAug 30 19:01
scientesand he was actually explaining the definitions of Spanish words I was reading in La Vuelta Al Mundo en 80 Diás to me in SpanishAug 30 19:01
psydreadthat's good, I've never been afraid of using a language, no matter how basic my knowledge of it has beenAug 30 19:04
scientesit always helps when people have patienceAug 30 19:05
scientesaround here you can't get patience from the merchants in Russian when it isn't their native languageAug 30 19:05
psydreadthey switch to English? or tell you to learn Georgian?Aug 30 19:06
scientesthey don't know EnglishAug 30 19:06
scienteswell, the younger generation doesAug 30 19:06
scientesbut my Georgian has improvedAug 30 19:06
scienteswithout any studyAug 30 19:06
psydreadoh, that's greatAug 30 19:07
scientesbut I don't even know the numbersAug 30 19:07
scientesso "improved" is relativeAug 30 19:07
psydreadI don't think it's a bad thingAug 30 19:07
psydreadthere are many ways to learn a language and doing it this way can be a good experienceAug 30 19:08
psydreadespecially since you  don't really need it for anythingAug 30 19:08
scienteswell, knowing how to bitch about prices is actually pretty usefulAug 30 19:09
scientesthere is a reason that Pimsleurs _always_ begins with the numbersAug 30 19:09
scientesI came from South America and I expected to be able to do that in RussianAug 30 19:10
psydreadthere must be a Pimsleur for Georgian tooAug 30 19:10
scientesbut as it becomes immediately clear I am not a native speaker I really need to do it in GeorgianAug 30 19:10
scientesno there is notAug 30 19:10
scientesthey added Urdu recentlyAug 30 19:10
scientesand they even have Haitian Creole (as Pimsleur's is closely linked to the US nation-state) but no Georgian for some reasonAug 30 19:11
scientes(The US has been trying to wrest Haiti from France for some time now)Aug 30 19:11
scientesnot that I really know anything about itAug 30 19:12
scientesCosta Rica had poster ads for FranceAug 30 19:12
scientesbut in reality the French empire has become too intertwined with the US empireAug 30 19:12
scientesit is unlikely they will have a purge has been happening in China for the last 5 yearsAug 30 19:12
scientesbut if they did, they do have the nuclear technology to make it happenAug 30 19:13
scientesbut they need to do it now, and their president is incompetentAug 30 19:13
scienteshe tried to tell Putin that they are the biggest traders with Russia, and Putin is like "you are full of shit"Aug 30 19:13
psydreadMacron?Aug 30 19:15
scientesyeahAug 30 19:15
psydreadthese people are all full of shit, hence the yellow vest protests in France that have been done  for a long time nowAug 30 19:16
scientesbut the pensions are goneAug 30 19:17
scientesthe French people are very delusionalAug 30 19:17
scientesthe only protest I would support would be a Lysistrata-like thingAug 30 19:19
psydreadI hadn't heard of that one before, even though we did read some of his works in Greek classAug 30 19:22
scientesmy teacher did it after the tests, and it really is quite memorable, and that was the perfect time and place for itAug 30 19:23
scienteswe didn't perform it howeverAug 30 19:23
scientesa little to advanced for high school drama anywaysAug 30 19:24
scientesunless you are in one of those theatre-only schools of courseAug 30 19:24
psydreadI can imagineAug 30 19:24
scientessame problem with implicit meaningsAug 30 19:25
scientesrequires too good of actingAug 30 19:25
psydreadalthough it was funny but my final year work was Antigone by Sophocles and our teacher sometimes had us act out parts of the play in classAug 30 19:25
psydreadthere were only 4 of us so it was quite doableAug 30 19:26
scientespsydread, there is reason Disney can also serve as a launching ground for their child actors/actresses tooAug 30 19:30
scientesthat no implicit meaning thingAug 30 19:30
scientesso they can build a solid foundationAug 30 19:30
psydreadyeah, just get experience without any strings attachedAug 30 19:31
psydreadbecause none of it matters for your later careerAug 30 19:31
psydreadexcept for the experience part, of courseAug 30 19:31
scientesgenerally they only go into music howeverAug 30 19:31
scientes(and they probably don't write the songs)Aug 30 19:31
psydreadI've been wondering about this for some time, although it's not directly connected with Disney or anythingAug 30 19:32
scientesactually they probably do write the songAug 30 19:32
scientesjust with lots of very talented helpAug 30 19:33
psydreadin some cultures you have songwriters and musicians and singers and singers are generally only singers with all the songwriting being done for themAug 30 19:33
psydreadbut I can't say that's inherently worse than trying to be original and doing all your own songwriting while being bad at itAug 30 19:34
scientesthis stuff has been perfected at this point, but I do remember Bonnie Pink was known for wanting to actually do all her own post-editingAug 30 19:34
scientesand there is also a lot of trash that sing with autotuneAug 30 19:34
scienteslip-sinking is one thing, but autotune is just horribleAug 30 19:35
scientesbut that is just glamor junkAug 30 19:35
scienteshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J23byjUg0XkAug 30 19:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Can We Fix Our Violin Playing with AUTOTUNE? - YouTubeAug 30 19:36
scientesthese computer people are annoyingAug 30 19:39
scientesI prefer music that can actually be performed live at leastAug 30 19:39
scientesI mean I really liked Lady Gaga's last performanceAug 30 19:39
scientesand it was streamed liveAug 30 19:39
scientesbut honestly, when I looked at her tour she had some horrible performancesAug 30 19:40
scientesitsAug 30 19:40
scientesits hardAug 30 19:40
psydreadI never really thought much of autotune until I read that pretty much all popularartists use itAug 30 19:41
scienteswell I got the impression she did not use it---the reason those performances were bad is just because she was tired, and the vocal chords just are not made for that (this is what opera singers work so hard on, as it comes before amplification)Aug 30 19:43
scientes*for endless repetitive performancesAug 30 19:46
psydreadI can understand that, yeahAug 30 19:49
scientesyou have choruses and groups of string players for a reasonAug 30 19:50
scientesthese instruments are not as long as the woodwinds and brassAug 30 19:50
scientes*loudAug 30 19:50
psydreadsomehow I ended up listening to Hilary Hahn playing some piece by SibeliusAug 30 19:59
scientesoh Sibelius is greatAug 30 19:59
scienteswait, I don't know that oneAug 30 19:59
scientesnot very familiar with the violin standardsAug 30 19:59
scientesbut I love her Mozard #3Aug 30 19:59
scientesshe also showed up on twoset violinAug 30 20:00
psydreadhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J0w0t4Qn6LYAug 30 20:00
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Sibelius : Concerto pour violon (Hilary Hahn) - YouTubeAug 30 20:00
psydreadI'm not familiar with them at allAug 30 20:00
scienteswell I got like a list because I was watching TwoSetAug 30 20:01
scientesand they don't know the cello standards :)Aug 30 20:01
scienteshowever violin music gets much more advanced than the cello standardsAug 30 20:01
scienteswhich is something I learned from watching their channelAug 30 20:01
psydreadI wish I had got into playing music much earlierAug 30 20:02
psydreadand even now I haven't played the guitar for such a long time that it feels like starting all overAug 30 20:02
scientesI can't play the hardest level of cello standardsAug 30 20:02
scienteswhich is like Dvorak and PopperAug 30 20:03
psydreadI should head over to the music store to buy some new strings this weekAug 30 20:03
scientesI can play the level before that: Haydn, but I haven't even learned it allAug 30 20:03
psydreadbut you at least have reached a decent level, I can't even say that of myselfAug 30 20:03
scientesI might get around to it before I get too old, I am already pushing itAug 30 20:03
scientesYoYo-Ma said don't try to memorize anything after 40, and try to do it in your 20sAug 30 20:05
scientesHilary Hahn learned all the classics before 20Aug 30 20:06
scienteswell, she is well above that levelAug 30 20:06
scientesthat I am talking aboutAug 30 20:07
psydreadI only got my first instrument when I was 20 and I paid for it myselfAug 30 20:09
psydreadbut yeah, you can't change anything about thatAug 30 20:09
scientesI need a good nights sleep, and then hopefully I can work on getting a cello here in GeorgiaAug 30 20:14
scientesthere was this wonderful woman in my Yoga class in High SChool that was actually quite advanced in her Piano and yet I never heard her playAug 30 20:24
scientesyet another missed oppurtunityAug 30 20:24
scientesand I don't want to miss any more of themAug 30 20:24
psydreadthat's the thing for me tooAug 30 20:25
psydreadeven if I never become really good I want to be able to come to terms with myself not just being able to consume art, but also be able to reproduce/play some of  itAug 30 20:26
psydreadwhen so many people iin my extended family are involved with the arts it's a shame not to be able to do much with them myselfAug 30 20:27
scientesmy last cello teacher actually put me directly on the top levelAug 30 20:28
scientesthe popperAug 30 20:28
scientesthis https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bP4NzTUmIt4Aug 30 20:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-HAUSER - Hungarian Rhapsody Op. 68 (LIVE) - YouTubeAug 30 20:29
scientesbut I never could play itAug 30 20:29
scientesnow this one is advanced, but it is also a show pieceAug 30 20:30
scientesrather than being focused on beautyAug 30 20:31
scientesand nowhere near the level of the violin show piecesAug 30 20:31
scientesI am sure there are technical differences, but those were impressiveAug 30 20:32
psydreadyeah, I understand it's advancedAug 30 20:36
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scientesbut even then he did it to make me realize I needed to work on my techniqueAug 30 20:40
scientesand when I came back to the cello I was able to learn some Haydn that I thought was too hard pretty reasonably by using the stuff he had given meAug 30 20:40
scientesand realized it was within my reachAug 30 20:40
psydreadif he had only given you easier pieces you may not have realised you needed to challenge yourself to improveAug 30 20:45
scientesthat was the whole pointAug 30 20:45
scientesat that point I had the musical earAug 30 20:45
scientesI just had had a teacher that didn't push me to improveAug 30 20:45
scientesthere was stuff I was playing that he was like "this is a waste of your time"Aug 30 20:47
scientesI managed to play this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YjJa2bx67BYAug 30 20:50
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-HAUSER - Haydn Cello Concerto in C (1st mov) - YouTubeAug 30 20:50
scientesnot very good, but I was impressed with how much I improved because I had the tools of that last teacherAug 30 20:51
psydreadare you going to look for a teacher in Georgia when you get a cello or do you think you can improve on your own with the basis you already have?Aug 30 20:52
scientesmaybe after I learn the other two movementsAug 30 20:53
scientesI did one lesson on the first movement with my first teacher and it was helpfulAug 30 20:53
scientesbut I don't need regular lessons like a youthAug 30 20:53
scienteschildren need regular lessons more as it is sort of a parenting thing tooAug 30 20:54
scienteshaving the habitAug 30 20:54
scientesor regular attentionAug 30 20:54
psydreadnone of my nieces or nephews show any inclination towards playing musical instrumentsAug 30 20:55
scientesI never had inclinationAug 30 20:55
psydreadit's even worse than in my generationAug 30 20:55
scientesif you think that is how you raise children you are doing it wrongAug 30 20:55
scientesyou shouldn't live through them eitherAug 30 20:56
scientesor be a hypocriteAug 30 20:56
scientesbut regular attention to some sort of music (in the Plato sense, which is basically anything that isn't science) is great for childrenAug 30 20:57
scienteswhether they protest or notAug 30 20:57
psydreadI enjoyed music classes in schoolAug 30 20:59
psydreadeven if it was just for one hour a weekAug 30 20:59
scientesI met a music teacher of british schoolAug 30 21:00
scientesand classes included indian rhythms (I forget what they call them)Aug 30 21:00
scienteswhich I never learnedAug 30 21:00
psydreadragas, I thinkAug 30 21:00
scientesyeahAug 30 21:00
scientesI mentioned it before, but this Disney BIA show is really aiming at showing kids that Spanish and Portugese are the same languageAug 30 21:27
scienteswhich is something I was not able to convince my friend in Perú.Aug 30 21:27
scientesand those Castille de Aragon seperatists need to admit that southern Italy wants nothing to do with them and shut upAug 30 21:29
scientesprobably even combined they would have less words than EnglishAug 30 21:30
scientesand situation already is that Wikipedia is written with a very differn't set of words than the older Spanish stuff, which is basically what the Spanish-English bilingual man I summited Misti with saidAug 30 21:31
psydreadmy Spanish colleague in Dublin was from Galicia and dealt with people from Spain and PortugalAug 30 21:31
scientesthey have kinda left behind the language of the Spanish golden ageAug 30 21:31
scientesand more use the set of latin that also exists in EnglishAug 30 21:32
scientesso its much easier to readAug 30 21:32
scientesI am just scratching the surface of this, but he said that there is this mix of old spanish (so that would mean the golden age, before the nepolean wars in which they lost their colonies) and "modern" spanish (whatever the hell that is, but now I get the sense it is a reduced set of words, influenced to be more intelligible with English)Aug 30 21:34
scientesI mean English is largely what was used in the late 18th century, but then there is a bias where latin sounds more educatedAug 30 21:34
scientesand if you know those latin words then "modern" spanish is pretty easyAug 30 21:35
psydreadI learned all the modern Romance languages after Latin except for French, which I had a year earlierAug 30 21:36
scientesI am definitely convinced that Spanish and Portugese are the same language, by this BIA showAug 30 21:37
psydreadand even French made more sense after LatinAug 30 21:37
scientesand I am not a native speakerAug 30 21:37
scientesand that would probably include the historical record of CatalanAug 30 21:38
psydreadwell, you understand it pretty much without problemsAug 30 21:38
scientesas Castille de Aragon is certainly important historicallyAug 30 21:38
scientesbut southern Italy has no interest in it, so they need to give it upAug 30 21:38
scientesthere was also a Spanish movie about this I saw: La Piquena SuizaAug 30 21:39
scienteswhich was a great first film as it is super easyAug 30 21:40
DaemonFC[m]The Kenosha, Wisconsin Police Department defended not arresting Kyle Rittenhouse immediately.Aug 30 21:41
DaemonFC[m]Their argument is that the cops are too stupid to tell the difference between how to respond to "shots fired" and "active shooter".Aug 30 21:41
psydreada few years ago an Italian friend and I were in Madrid and while he understood everything from an advanced book he couldn't actually speak Spanish, so I did the talking insteadAug 30 21:41
DaemonFC[m]I didn't know there was a difference. I thought "shots fired" implied that someone was firing the shots.Aug 30 21:42
scientespsydread, that's like ChineseAug 30 21:42
scientesas it is only a visual language (they changed this, but only recently)Aug 30 21:42
scientesIPA for English took hold in ChinaAug 30 21:47
scientesand also by being able to communicate with that Brazilian that couldn't speak EnglishAug 30 21:49
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psydreadthere was an interesting situation at one of my jobs with a Polish colleague who spoke Dutch and who ended up speaking Russian with a Norwegian client who didn't know EnglishAug 30 21:52
psydreadit's often automatically assumed that everyone knows English, but that isn't the caseAug 30 21:54
scientes>  a Norwegian client who didn't know EnglishAug 30 21:54
scientesfrom the north?Aug 30 21:54
scientesthey actually have a borderAug 30 21:54
psydreadprobably, he was on an oil platformAug 30 21:54
scientesbut in sweden too, north and south very differentAug 30 21:54
scientesdon't know about finland, but of course helsinki would be quite differentAug 30 21:55
scientesand finish is a very differen't language, like georgianAug 30 21:55
psydreadin the east they speak more RussianAug 30 21:55
scientesthose borders moved many timesAug 30 21:55
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schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/BrideOfLinux/status/1300146299350769668Aug 30 22:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@BrideOfLinux: I'm sorry Dr. Roy, but these days there are a lot of tech companies that are worse than Microsoft: It's 2020 and So… https://t.co/dfr26hHPuRAug 30 22:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@BrideOfLinux: I'm sorry Dr. Roy, but these days there are a lot of tech companies that are worse than Microsoft: It's 2020 and So… https://t.co/dfr26hHPuRAug 30 22:08
schestowitz"I'm sorry Dr. Roy, but these days there are a lot of tech companies that are worse than Microsoft: It's 2020 and Some GNU/Linux Sites Still Celebrate Mono, Even When Microsoft Owns and Controls It "Aug 30 22:08
schestowitzStraw man argumentAug 30 22:08
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schestowitzAriadne: pleroma.site was upgrade today, took about 5-7 hours. Afterwards viera has not been picking updates past or present (post-upgrade), not sure whyAug 30 22:22
schestowitzmaybe the site just doesn't federate properly since, I am going to check what I can see...Aug 30 22:25
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DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: I emailed to Richard Stallman that story about the Kenosha police saying they didn't do anything about Rittenhouse because it was a "shots fired" not an "active shooter" call.Aug 30 22:39
schestowitzok, he's not very vocal this past yearAug 30 22:40
DaemonFC[m]That is the worst excuse I've ever heard the police give. They're not even trying anymore.Aug 30 22:40
schestowitzand might not want to say something "controversial"Aug 30 22:40
schestowitzthe president already said he's with the cops, regardlessAug 30 22:41
schestowitzand the "fine people"Aug 30 22:41
schestowitzvery fine even..Aug 30 22:41
DaemonFC[m]https://capitolfax.com/2020/08/28/chicago-finally-kicks-off-casino-process/Aug 30 22:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-capitolfax.com | Capitol Fax.com - Your Illinois News Radar » Chicago finally kicks off casino processAug 30 22:41
DaemonFC[m]The Mayor of Chicago proposed a casino again, in the middle of a pandemic, when the ones in Vegas just fired over 60,000 people.Aug 30 22:42
DaemonFC[m]Yes, the casino will fix everything.Aug 30 22:42
DaemonFC[m]https://www.zerohedge.com/technology/amazon-orders-1800-ev-delivery-vans-mercedes-commits-go-carbon-neutral-2039Aug 30 22:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.zerohedge.com | Amazon Orders 1,800 EV Delivery Vans From Mercedes, Commits To Go Carbon-Neutral By 2039 | Zero HedgeAug 30 22:49
DaemonFC[m]Why would they order from Tesla? They have a business to run. They're not interested in some fly by night company that destroys venture capital from stupid investors.Aug 30 22:49
DaemonFC[m]"Because influenza surprises us. Viruses surprise us," says Kanta Subbarao, director of the World Health Organization's Collaborating Centre for Reference and Research on Influenza in Melbourne, AustraliaAug 30 22:56
DaemonFC[m]Yeah, I was shocked, shocked to find that the WHO knew nothing and still knows nothing about COVID-19.Aug 30 22:56
DaemonFC[m]I didn't know that Bill Gates had put more money into it than most countries.Aug 30 22:57
DaemonFC[m]They didn't call COVID-19 a pandemic until a day after Bill Gates did.Aug 30 22:57
MinceRhttps://www.oglaf.com/princessparty/Aug 30 23:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.oglaf.com | Princess PartyAug 30 23:12
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schestowitzAriadne: the accounts on pleroma.site (after upgrade) seem to federate OK with other fediverse nodes/instances, so  maybe viera doesn't pick up updates for some other reason/sAug 30 23:14
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schestowitz#Android Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/141539Aug 30 23:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Android Leftovers | Tux MachinesAug 30 23:16
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schestowitzCreate A Wifi Hotspot on Ubuntu http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/141538Aug 30 23:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Create A Wifi Hotspot on Ubuntu | Tux MachinesAug 30 23:16
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schestowitzThe 5 Best Open Source Password Managers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/141537Aug 30 23:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | The 5 Best Open Source Password Managers | Tux MachinesAug 30 23:16
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schestowitzLinks 30/8/2020: Fedora on ThinkPads, Wine-Staging 5.16, DebConf20 Finishes http://techrights.org/2020/08/30/wine-staging-5-16/Aug 30 23:16
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schestowitzKDE Plasma 5.20 Now Warns About Hard Disk, SSD Failure http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/141532Aug 30 23:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Links 30/8/2020: Fedora on ThinkPads, Wine-Staging 5.16, DebConf20 Finishes | TechrightsAug 30 23:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | KDE Plasma 5.20 Now Warns About Hard Disk, SSD Failure | Tux MachinesAug 30 23:16
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schestowitzLeftovers: Absolute Linux Release, IBM Emeritus, Hacking With Raspberry PiAug 30 23:16
schestowitzhttp://www.tuxmachines.org/node/141536Aug 30 23:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Leftovers: Absolute Linux Release, IBM Emeritus, Hacking With Raspberry Pi | Tux MachinesAug 30 23:16
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schestowitzSecurity LeftoversAug 30 23:16
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Security Leftovers | Tux MachinesAug 30 23:16
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schestowitzGoogle: Android, Linux, GSoC, Chromebook, Spying and KubernetesAug 30 23:16
schestowitzhttp://www.tuxmachines.org/node/141534Aug 30 23:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Google: Android, Linux, GSoC, Chromebook, Spying and Kubernetes | Tux MachinesAug 30 23:16
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schestowitzProgramming: LLVM and PerlAug 30 23:16
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Programming: LLVM and Perl | Tux MachinesAug 30 23:16
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schestowitzLenovo begins rollout of Fedora Linux on their laptops, Ubuntu systems due soon http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/141522#comment-26268Aug 30 23:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Lenovo Laptops Now Come With Fedora | Tux MachinesAug 30 23:16
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schestowitztoday's howtosAug 30 23:16
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's howtos | Tux MachinesAug 30 23:16
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schestowitzPython ProgrammingAug 30 23:16
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Python Programming | Tux MachinesAug 30 23:16
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schestowitzLenovo Launches Fedora-Powered X1 Carbon With Linux In The Spotlight http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/141522#comment-26267Aug 30 23:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Lenovo Laptops Now Come With Fedora | Tux MachinesAug 30 23:17
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schestowitzWrite with your colleagues using this amazing open-source collaborative writing tool: EtherpadAug 30 23:17
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Write with your colleagues using this amazing open-source collaborative writing tool: Etherpad | Tux MachinesAug 30 23:17
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schestowitzGames: Spacebase Startopia, Space Crew, GONNER2, Techium Eclipse, Hyper Team ReconAug 30 23:17
schestowitzhttp://www.tuxmachines.org/node/141528Aug 30 23:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Games: Spacebase Startopia, Space Crew, GONNER2, Techium Eclipse, Hyper Team Recon | Tux MachinesAug 30 23:17
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schestowitzThunderbird Email Client Now Ships with OpenPGP Support Enabled by Default http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/141527Aug 30 23:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Thunderbird Email Client Now Ships with OpenPGP Support Enabled by Default | Tux MachinesAug 30 23:17
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schestowitzSoftware: Diff Tools, 6cord and htopAug 30 23:17
schestowitzhttp://www.tuxmachines.org/node/141526Aug 30 23:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Software: Diff Tools, 6cord and htop | Tux MachinesAug 30 23:17
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schestowitz(missing bits pasted in, as viera is currently 'mia' ;-))Aug 30 23:17
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MinceR(audio:important) https://i.imgur.com/cmx6zxN.mp4Aug 30 23:23
XRevan86MinceR: The bag doesn't actually look paper though.Aug 30 23:28
MinceRindeedAug 30 23:29
schestowitzhttp://techrights.org/2020/08/30/how-to-make-unneeded-scandal-with-adobe-indesign/Aug 30 23:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The Linux Foundation is Not Even Using Linux to Prepare and Publish the Linux Kernel History Report | TechrightsAug 30 23:32
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DaemonFC[m]They use Macs. You know, Apple gave up on OS X Server.Aug 30 23:39
DaemonFC[m]I mean, you can still get stuff to turn it into a web server, but I doubt that anyone does.Aug 30 23:40
DaemonFC[m]My guess is that eventually they'll lock it down so badly that Homebrew doesn't work.Aug 30 23:40
schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: LF probably outsourced this workAug 30 23:40
schestowitzmaybe some PR agency, but...Aug 30 23:40
schestowitzA PR agency might not understand kernel stuffAug 30 23:41
schestowitzeither way, they use lots of Microsoft at LFAug 30 23:41
schestowitzthe whole thing shows the wrong people run the LFAug 30 23:41
schestowitzthey just see Linux as "BRAND"Aug 30 23:41
DaemonFC[m]Maybe we'll get another blog post from Miguel saying how great it is that you can only use the Crap Store on the Mac.Aug 30 23:41
schestowitzThere's a response to de Icaza here:Aug 30 23:42
schestowitz[23:16] <schestowitz> http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/141535Aug 30 23:42
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Security Leftovers | Tux MachinesAug 30 23:42
DaemonFC[m]Well, I believe that Torvalds owns the trademark, at least in the US.Aug 30 23:42
schestowitzyesAug 30 23:42
DaemonFC[m]Someone else tried to get it and it led to a legal fight. A long time ago.Aug 30 23:42
schestowitzbut: (gets link)Aug 30 23:42
schestowitzhttp://techrights.org/2020/06/01/discarding-linux-foundation/Aug 30 23:42
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | What It Would Take for Linus Torvalds to Leave Linux Foundation Without the Linux Trademark and Without Linux | TechrightsAug 30 23:42
DaemonFC[m]You know, it surprises me how many people apparently use Grindr in the middle east.Aug 30 23:43
DaemonFC[m]I wonder how many are real and how many are a police sting operation.Aug 30 23:43
schestowitzAlso see http://techrights.org/2020/06/04/weakening-stallman-and-torvalds/Aug 30 23:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Weakening GNU/Linux by Disempowering Its Leaders and Founders, Replacing Them With Microsoft Employees and GNU/Linux-Hostile Moles | TechrightsAug 30 23:43
DaemonFC[m]There they don't have to prove intent to have sex with a minor. Just that you meant to meet a man.Aug 30 23:43
DaemonFC[m]The standards of proof in most countries aren't even as high as they are in a US courtroom.Aug 30 23:44
DaemonFC[m]The police just beat it out of you.Aug 30 23:44
schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: will you ask the court for the Jones doc?Aug 30 23:44
schestowitzNobody has yet said he'd pursue thisAug 30 23:44
schestowitzor sheAug 30 23:44
DaemonFC[m]Potentially when cash flow gets going again.Aug 30 23:45
schestowitzwe'd pay youAug 30 23:45
schestowitzin advance if neededAug 30 23:45
schestowitzcan do paypal or bank transferAug 30 23:46
schestowitzthe pages are 29 dollars total IIRCAug 30 23:46
schestowitzhttp://techrights.org/2020/08/27/court-documents-gates-mansion/Aug 30 23:48
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Techrights Needs Help From American Readers (in Order to Retrieve the Court Documents Regarding Bill Gates’ Engineer) | TechrightsAug 30 23:48
schestowitzalso compare these screenshots from last year to presentAug 30 23:48
schestowitzjust to make sure no document has since then been removed/expunged/whateverAug 30 23:48
schestowitzmaybe right now there are additional items in there, I've not checkedAug 30 23:48
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