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| ZiggyFish | good morning every one | Jun 04 23:36 |
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| tessier_ | Hi ZiggyFish | Jun 05 00:51 |
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| ZiggyFish | hey | Jun 05 00:52 |
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| moparx | hey | Jun 05 01:02 |
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| schestowitz | I'm back. <tessier_>, I'm not sure how COLA regulars would feel about it. | Jun 05 04:00 |
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| tessier | schestowitz: The advocates or the trolls? | Jun 05 04:03 |
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| tessier | And who cares either way? :) | Jun 05 04:03 |
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| ZiggyFish_hp | schestowitz: http://news.cnet.com/8301-107... more on the Yahoo v Microsoft case ;) | Jun 05 04:06 |
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| schestowitz | The advocates. COLA has Switzerland status. | Jun 05 04:15 |
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| moparx | have a nice nap? :) | Jun 05 04:23 |
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| schestowitz | It was more like a full night's sleep | Jun 05 04:28 |
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| moparx | :p | Jun 05 04:29 |
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| moparx | I'll be enjoying one myself very soon as it is almost 12am here | Jun 05 04:30 |
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| schestowitz | ZiggyFish, Carl's bother called: http://technocrat.net/d... | Jun 05 04:31 |
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| schestowitz | brother, not nother | Jun 05 04:31 |
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| schestowitz | not bother | Jun 05 04:31 |
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| spotthedog | hi | Jun 05 04:51 |
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| spotthedog | hi | Jun 05 04:51 |
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| spotthedog | hi | Jun 05 04:52 |
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| spotthedog | hi | Jun 05 04:52 |
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| spotthedog | hi | Jun 05 04:52 |
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| spotthedog | hi | Jun 05 04:52 |
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| spotthedog | hi | Jun 05 04:52 |
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| spotthedog | hi | Jun 05 04:52 |
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| spotthedog | hi | Jun 05 04:52 |
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| spotthedog | hi | Jun 05 04:52 |
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| spotthedog | hi | Jun 05 04:52 |
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| moparx | ok.. | Jun 05 04:52 |
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| schestowitz | hi | Jun 05 04:54 |
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| schestowitz | MSI is crippling (SUSE) Linux... http://www.linuxdevices.com/n... | Jun 05 04:55 |
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| schestowitz | I never realise this, but it's in the news now | Jun 05 04:55 |
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| moparx | meh. of course the GNU/Linux version is screwed over hardware wise while the Windows variont gets the extra stuff.. which seems to be the growing trend with many of these mini notebooks. | Jun 05 04:59 |
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| moparx | variant* | Jun 05 04:59 |
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| schestowitz | Should be the opposite, esp. given Microsoft's requirement of meeting and obeying some limits. | Jun 05 05:05 |
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| schestowitz | vnunet says that XP costs Acer $50. I wonder how much money Microsoft makes from SUSE and I doubt it's a fixed amount. Nobody knows for sure. | Jun 05 05:06 |
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| moparx | *nod* | Jun 05 05:09 |
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| schestowitz | Welcome, santhosh | Jun 05 05:18 |
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| santhosh | hi schestowitz | Jun 05 05:19 |
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| moparx | I guess I'll head to bed. Talk to you again in a few hours | Jun 05 05:19 |
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| moparx | hi santhosh. welcome to #boycottnovell :) | Jun 05 05:19 |
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| santhosh | moparx: :) | Jun 05 05:19 |
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| schestowitz | I've just realised that Citrix are talking about us. | Jun 05 05:21 |
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| schestowitz | Citrix own Xen and are Microsoft partner. | Jun 05 05:21 |
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| schestowitz | partners. I see hundreds of referrals from the Citrix domain. | Jun 05 05:21 |
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| tessier | us? | Jun 05 05:40 |
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| tessier | oh | Jun 05 05:40 |
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| tessier | Intel faces $25.4M antitrust fine | Jun 05 05:54 |
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| tessier | Intel laughs at a mere $25M | Jun 05 05:55 |
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| schestowitz | Huh? That's nothing. | Jun 05 05:56 |
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| schestowitz | They were convicted in other continents too and an embargo would be more appropriate given their bribery (lots of evidence), gain from destruction of competition, deception and destruction of evidence (that too is well documented). This fine proves that there's no justice. Nice guys finish last. | Jun 05 05:57 |
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| schestowitz | Welcome, saulgoode | Jun 05 06:35 |
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| saulgoode | Hello. I was away for a while. | Jun 05 07:03 |
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| schestowitz | I hope there will be a legal analysis of Mono soon. I know you're interested in this subject. From what I've heard, it's worse than Moonlight, which is already banned by Fedora. | Jun 05 07:18 |
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| PetoKraus | Legal analysis? | Jun 05 07:19 |
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| PetoKraus | like, De Icaza getting sued for... making mono? | Jun 05 07:19 |
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| PetoKraus | or just analysis of possibilities of being sued by microsoft by using mono? | Jun 05 07:19 |
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| PetoKraus | about the Office2008/2007 thing | Jun 05 07:21 |
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| PetoKraus | http://ooxmlisdefectivebydesign.blogspot.c... | Jun 05 07:22 |
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| ZiggyFish_hp | PetoKraus: that's an interesting article | Jun 05 07:24 |
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| schestowitz | Not sues, threatened at the least. | Jun 05 07:24 |
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| schestowitz | not sued, I mean. Microsoft can deter customers. | Jun 05 07:24 |
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| ZiggyFish_hp | especially, point 8) OOXML supports 64-bit at all? | Jun 05 07:24 |
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| schestowitz | "What 64 bits," said the shy CEO. | Jun 05 07:25 |
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| schestowitz | Bill Gates, At the launch of MSX[: "We will never make a 32-bit operating system." | Jun 05 07:25 |
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| ZiggyFish_hp | schestowitz: apparently novel made a 30%(I think), increase in profit in their open source (that's without any payment to Microsoft) sector | Jun 05 07:27 |
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| ZiggyFish_hp | http://linux.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/... | Jun 05 07:28 |
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| ZiggyFish_hp | CNet is reporting that while Novell still has a long way to go before they start making Red Hat nervous, they have at least gotten a seat at the grown-up table. Reporting 31% year-over-year growth in their Linux business | Jun 05 07:28 |
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| schestowitz | Novell is not growing. It's the story and illusion they give. | Jun 05 07:29 |
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| schestowitz | Sure, Linux as _a whole_ is up, but Novell doesn't want you to see some certain divisions. | Jun 05 07:29 |
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| ZiggyFish_hp | oh | Jun 05 07:29 |
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| schestowitz | Linux accounts for a tiny portion of its revenue sources (under 10%, IIRC). | Jun 05 07:30 |
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| schestowitz | And Novell's cash cows are down. | Jun 05 07:30 |
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| schestowitz | Haha. "CNet is reporting..." | Jun 05 07:30 |
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| schestowitz | No, that a CNET _blog_ of a former Novell employee. | Jun 05 07:30 |
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| ZiggyFish_hp | oh. I thought there was something else to that story | Jun 05 07:31 |
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| ZiggyFish_hp | i see now | Jun 05 07:32 |
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| schestowitz | I think we wrote 3 posts about it in BN.com | Jun 05 07:33 |
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| schestowitz | The last one showed the same analysis coming from separate sources. | Jun 05 07:33 |
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| schestowitz | Yesterday we wrote about Novell, Hovsepian and Asay doing the magic touch for the media. | Jun 05 07:33 |
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| schestowitz | Microsoft does this too by the way and its CFO had a nice self-flattering article in some big magazine a couple of days ago. | Jun 05 07:34 |
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| saulgoode | schestowitz, did you request of Pamela Jones that SFLC perform a liability analysis of Mono? | Jun 05 07:36 |
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| schestowitz | Yes, I have. | Jun 05 07:47 |
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| schestowitz | But time is an issue. | Jun 05 07:48 |
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| saulgoode | It also would seem to be an issue that there is no "open source promise" published anywhere covering Mono/ECMA/ISO patents. :) | Jun 05 07:51 |
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| schestowitz | [sarcasm] Why would there be one? That would reduce FUD factor. | Jun 05 07:53 |
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| ZiggyFish_hp | looks like another win for opensource: Liverpool City Council chooses Kaspersky Lab in network security overhaul <http://www.itnews.com.au/News/NewsSt... | Jun 05 09:02 |
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| ZiggyFish_hp | "Liverpool City Council has implemented Kaspersky Open Space Security in a security review of its fast-growing, dispersed network." | Jun 05 09:03 |
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| ZiggyFish_hp | Now, more than a year after Kaspersky Open Space Security 6.0 was first implemented, the Council’s IT staff boasts an increase in threat detection, resulting in an overall decrease in the number of infections and security incidents across the Council's network. | Jun 05 09:05 |
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| schestowitz | It says "open", but it's a cheap word to use. | Jun 05 09:07 |
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| schestowitz | Anyway, I'm taking off for a while (the gym). | Jun 05 09:07 |
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| ZiggyFish_hp | k see ya | Jun 05 09:08 |
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| ZiggyFish_hp | interesting article, Flexible computer displays expected within a year <http://www.itnews.com.a... | Jun 05 11:53 |
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| ZiggyFish_hp | looks like it will obsolete the Microsoft Surface :O | Jun 05 11:55 |
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| moparx | That's pretty cool. You have to love the rate at which technology advances. | Jun 05 11:59 |
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| ZiggyFish_hp | yeah, It's amasing what we can do these days with technology | Jun 05 12:00 |
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| PetoKraus | flexible display? | Jun 05 12:02 |
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| PetoKraus | like Toshiba R500? | Jun 05 12:02 |
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| ZiggyFish_hp | PetoKraus: more flexible then that | Jun 05 12:03 |
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| ZiggyFish_hp | from the link | Jun 05 12:03 |
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| ZiggyFish_hp | While Vertegaal said that flexible displays are unlikely to be cheap enough to fit a aluminium can that is currently worth about five cents, he noted the possibility that the technology may open new, potentially overwhelming advertising avenues. | Jun 05 12:03 |
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| ZiggyFish_hp | above that paragraph | Jun 05 12:04 |
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| ZiggyFish_hp | The technology one day may give rise to aluminium cans with browsers displaying RSS feeds and movie trailers. | Jun 05 12:04 |
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| ZiggyFish_hp | it will be like a peice of paper. | Jun 05 12:04 |
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| moparx | an advertisers wet dream... haha | Jun 05 12:04 |
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| ZiggyFish_hp | lol | Jun 05 12:04 |
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| ZiggyFish_hp | anyway time to go. see ya all in 8 hours (time to go to sleep) | Jun 05 12:07 |
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| schestowitz | (back now) Surface is already somewhat of a failure (replying to Ziggy's statement). Bach wanted to throw it away and only Gates' fantasies (show-off) kept it alive. This was discovered last week. Surface was an imitation of 2 or 3 separate researchers (plus lots of marketing). It hardly makes an appearance now, let alone sells. | Jun 05 12:38 |
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| lahirup | in ms terminal server service we cant share admin console (session 0) | Jun 05 13:09 |
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| lahirup | in citrix can we share the remote desktop without creating different sessions | Jun 05 13:09 |
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| lahirup | I mean i want 2 persons to work on session 0 (console) can it b done | Jun 05 13:09 |
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| schestowitz | Citrix? | Jun 05 13:09 |
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| lahirup | yep | Jun 05 13:10 |
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| lahirup | citrix | Jun 05 13:10 |
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| schestowitz | Why here? | Jun 05 13:10 |
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| lahirup | ok | Jun 05 13:10 |
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| lahirup | can u tell me kindly where should i go? | Jun 05 13:10 |
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| lahirup | great help : ) | Jun 05 13:10 |
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| schestowitz | I am not sure who support Citrix on IRC | Jun 05 13:11 |
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| schestowitz | support | Jun 05 13:11 |
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| schestowitz | I'm sure someone on the Web supports it. | Jun 05 13:11 |
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| lahirup | when i googled it said this channel would help me | Jun 05 13:12 |
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| lahirup | badluck | Jun 05 13:13 |
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| schestowitz | Really? I can't see why. I'm sorry to disappoint you though. | Jun 05 13:13 |
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| moparx | I don't recall ever seeing any sort of article that would lead one to believe this was a Citrix support channel. I do hope he finds his answer though | Jun 05 13:15 |
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| schestowitz | The only thing I can think of are the referrals that came from Citrix yesterday. | Jun 05 13:17 |
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| schestowitz | I imagine that hundreds of them came because something I wrote about Xen (now of Citrix), but why the IRC channel? And why support? I dunno. | Jun 05 13:18 |
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| jbh | I must have some weird files on my system or something | Jun 05 13:25 |
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| jbh | always having to kill tracker | Jun 05 13:25 |
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| jbh | pegs my cpu constantly | Jun 05 13:26 |
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| schestowitz | When it indexes? | Jun 05 13:26 |
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| jbh | it seems to get caught in some sort of loop or something | Jun 05 13:26 |
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| jbh | because once it starts pegging my cpu, it doesn't ever stop | Jun 05 13:26 |
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| schestowitz | GNU IceCat used to do this to me if I tried putting too many extensions on it and strace is probably the best way to debug that stuff, if not run it from the CLI to see standard output. | Jun 05 13:27 |
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| jbh | I rarely use desktop search, so I should probably just uninstall it | Jun 05 13:28 |
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| jbh | yea, I keep meaning to do that but never get around to it | Jun 05 13:28 |
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| schestowitz | Just don't move to Beagle. | Jun 05 13:29 |
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| jbh | haha, no way | Jun 05 13:29 |
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| schestowitz | The only thing I ever search for is posts and E-mails. I can do it with MySQL, Thunderbird and KNode. | Jun 05 13:29 |
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| jbh | yea, searching email is about the only thing I have to search for | Jun 05 13:30 |
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| jbh | otherwise I just use find ;) | Jun 05 13:30 |
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| schestowitz | Microsoft's henchman is busy again ( http://news.bbc.co.uk/... ). A mate said something funny w while earlier about the secret services needing to get Icahn down to his knees (his words). "He is a nut case with money." | Jun 05 13:31 |
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| schestowitz | IMHO, desktop search is a cure for procrastination. Some people leave their hard-drive messy, by choice. Seen it before. They can't find a thing! | Jun 05 13:33 |
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| jbh | yea | Jun 05 13:36 |
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| moparx | *nod* | Jun 05 13:37 |
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| moparx | I couldn't stand having things throws all over the place | Jun 05 13:37 |
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| schestowitz | I have up to about 10 directory levels in places. About a quarter of a million files in total, some compressed. | Jun 05 13:37 |
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| moparx | hi Eruaran. welcome to #boycottnovell :) | Jun 05 13:38 |
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| schestowitz | You may not know this, but sys-con is spamming RSS feeds. Here's the sort of shot at ODF that I have seen literally 100+ times (so far) in my feeds: "...Microsoft-hostile ODF...". It almost always comes from Maureen O'Gara. I want to show you what she does. She's trashing the feeds along with sys-con. *sigh* | Jun 05 14:08 |
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| moparx | I'd like to know how she can possibly think that an open format is hostile to anyone. | Jun 05 14:26 |
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| fumanchu234 | Hello | Jun 05 15:36 |
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| schestowitz | I've just gotten an answer about the Google News thing. | Jun 05 15:42 |
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| moparx | oh? | Jun 05 15:54 |
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| schestowitz | I'll write about it later. Google ought to be careful about poisoning. | Jun 05 15:54 |
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| Eruaran | hi | Jun 05 16:47 |
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| schestowitz | Hi there. | Jun 05 16:48 |
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| schestowitz | At the moment I'm just looking at some OOXML stuff. | Jun 05 16:48 |
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| Eruaran | new ? | Jun 05 16:49 |
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| schestowitz | Sort of, yes. | Jun 05 16:49 |
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| schestowitz | Patrick D is still doing some conspicuous stuff. | Jun 05 16:49 |
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| Eruaran | conspicuous ? | Jun 05 16:50 |
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| schestowitz | See this for example: http://www.openmalaysiablog.c... | Jun 05 16:52 |
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| *Eruaran nods | Jun 05 16:55 |
| schestowitz | It's a two-part post (so far). ""If this unethical behaviour by Microsoft was not sufficiently despicable, they did the unthinkable by involving politics in what should have been a technical evaluation of the standard by writing to the head of the Malaysian standards organization and getting its business partners to engage in a negative letter writing campaign to indicate lack of support of ODF in the Malaysian market. <b>Every single negati | Jun 05 16:56 |
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| schestowitz | ve letter on ODF received by the Malaysian standards organization was written either by Microsoft, or a Microsoft business partner or a Microsoft affiliated organization (Initiative for Software Choice and IASA)" | Jun 05 16:56 |
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| Eruaran | No new low from Microsoft surprises me anymore. | Jun 05 16:58 |
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| schestowitz | Na. It gets worse. "I have lost my sleep and peace of mind for last two months over these distasteful activities by Microsoft." -- Professor Deepak Phatak | Jun 05 16:59 |
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| Eruaran | :( | Jun 05 17:01 |
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| schestowitz | Some of us might be biased though. Microsoft insists it plays fair. I mean, look: "37 letters with exactly the same words. Some of the senders didn't even care to remove the 'Type company name here' text. Simular letters has been circulating in Denmark as an e-mail from the Danish MD Jørgen Bardenfleth to customers and business partners. I call it fraud, cheating and disgusting. If I wasn't anti-Microsoft before, I am now. Disgusting !" --L | Jun 05 17:03 |
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| schestowitz | eif Lodahl | Jun 05 17:03 |
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| Eruaran | Had a client this week have a bitter experience with his notebook that was a direct result of M$ monopolization tactics | Jun 05 17:06 |
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| schestowitz | Which of them (tactics)? | Jun 05 17:08 |
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| Eruaran | Office formats | Jun 05 17:08 |
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| Eruaran | He was using an older version of MS Office | Jun 05 17:08 |
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| schestowitz | Better giddy up. Up on the treadmill. | Jun 05 17:09 |
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| Eruaran | Someone sent him an email attatchment that was .docx (which I think is quite rude) | Jun 05 17:09 |
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| Eruaran | Of course he couldn't read it | Jun 05 17:09 |
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| Eruaran | But he was informed by a dialogue (dunno more than that) of some sort that he could get a reader / plugin so he could read it | Jun 05 17:10 |
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| schestowitz | I can't recall the source,but someone said that Microsoft's 'genius' came down to one thing: versions. | Jun 05 17:10 |
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| Eruaran | (from microsoft) | Jun 05 17:10 |
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| Eruaran | So he goes to get this reader plugin | Jun 05 17:10 |
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| schestowitz | Oh, here's one: "Oh, my God. I always get mad at my computer if MS Word swallows the page numbers of a document which I printed a couple of times with page numbers. If I complain to anybody they say "Well, upgrade from version 5.11 to 6.0".(from FOCUS Magazine... interview with Gates) | Jun 05 17:11 |
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| Eruaran | And this piece of software duly informs him that he needs to upgrade his XP to SP3 | Jun 05 17:11 |
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| schestowitz | You mean downgrade, right? | Jun 05 17:11 |
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| schestowitz | SP3 still leads to issues. | Jun 05 17:11 |
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| Eruaran | yes | Jun 05 17:11 |
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| Eruaran | So... he gets SP3 | Jun 05 17:11 |
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| Eruaran | Installs it... and then his notebook wont boot | Jun 05 17:12 |
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| schestowitz | Registry corruption, data corruption (some apps specifically), AMD endless reboot for HP boxes | Jun 05 17:12 |
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| schestowitz | Oh, and drivers going titsup | Jun 05 17:12 |
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| Eruaran | His notebook is a Toshiba | Jun 05 17:12 |
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| schestowitz | Same with updates sometimes. They b0rk systems too, regularly, esp. with Vista. | Jun 05 17:12 |
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| Eruaran | It was screwed, so we backed up his data and re-installed for him | Jun 05 17:13 |
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| schestowitz | Vista users that are not rookie are now afraid of monthly updates, praying that it'll boot afterwards. | Jun 05 17:13 |
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| Eruaran | All this started with an email attatchment | Jun 05 17:13 |
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| PetoKraus | well | Jun 05 17:13 |
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| PetoKraus | i don't think so | Jun 05 17:13 |
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| Eruaran | He asked me why simply an email attatchment turned into a nightmare for him | Jun 05 17:13 |
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| PetoKraus | actually they don't update at all | Jun 05 17:13 |
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| Eruaran | And I explained to him about Microsoft's monopolization | Jun 05 17:14 |
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| Eruaran | And how it results in needless complexity, bad applications, and failures | Jun 05 17:14 |
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| schestowitz | PetoK, Vista you mean? | Jun 05 17:15 |
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| PetoKraus | no, windows users | Jun 05 17:16 |
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| PetoKraus | generic windows users | Jun 05 17:16 |
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| Eruaran | He thanked me in the end for explaining to him the broader picture | Jun 05 17:16 |
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| schestowitz | That might explain why 40% of the Windows PCs are zombies (source: USA Today) | Jun 05 17:17 |
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| PetoKraus | i mean | Jun 05 17:18 |
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| PetoKraus | i came home after year in britain | Jun 05 17:18 |
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| schestowitz | Microsoft earned industry-wide resentment for deciding to do all the programming (exterminating the likes of Netscape) and expecting a low-paid workforce to clean up for its programming mistakes. | Jun 05 17:18 |
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| PetoKraus | had set up actualisation software on automatical updates | Jun 05 17:18 |
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| PetoKraus | though, still, there are like 6 updates pending | Jun 05 17:18 |
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| PetoKraus | i mean, how come? | Jun 05 17:19 |
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| PetoKraus | i told the OS to install everything without asking... | Jun 05 17:19 |
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| PetoKraus | (XP) | Jun 05 17:19 |
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| schestowitz | I don't use Windows, but I think some updates are forced. Thunderbird, for example (in Linux) sort of forces it too (except restarting the application). | Jun 05 17:19 |
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| Eruaran | I use Kubuntu at home | Jun 05 17:20 |
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| PetoKraus | it was set up last year for my mom | Jun 05 17:21 |
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| PetoKraus | she doesn't go for porn sites, obviously | Jun 05 17:21 |
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| PetoKraus | she doesn't download illegal software and search for | Jun 05 17:21 |
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| PetoKraus | cracks etc... | Jun 05 17:22 |
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| Eruaran | We use a ClarkConnect GNU/Linux server at work with two Windows workstations (our group is unfortunately standardized on Sage Line50 software, which was designed by Satan). Our demo system which customers see is currently running Ubuntu. | Jun 05 17:22 |
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| PetoKraus | yet i suspect she has some sort of spyware... | Jun 05 17:22 |
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| schestowitz | See the following recent essay from [H]omer: http://slated.org/windows... | Jun 05 17:23 |
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| PetoKraus | i like what Trent Reznor does | Jun 05 17:24 |
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| PetoKraus | both from artistic point of view, and from social. | Jun 05 17:24 |
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| PetoKraus | Great marketing model - he basically refined what Radiohead did with their album | Jun 05 17:25 |
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| PetoKraus | though pushed it into... bigger extent. First album - 4 parts - 1st part released completely for free, without DRM, full quality, all 4 parts released over the internet for prices up from 5$ | Jun 05 17:25 |
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| PetoKraus | then, one album completely for free, and IIRC, it was under some CC license... | Jun 05 17:26 |
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| PetoKraus | and he still gains shitloads of money... 2500 copies of 300$ signed vinyl edition of the first album were sold in minutes... basically pure profit for the artist | Jun 05 17:26 |
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| schestowitz | Bif Media^TM now forbids passing aroundd free CDs | Jun 05 17:26 |
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| PetoKraus | bif media? | Jun 05 17:27 |
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| schestowitz | Mig media | Jun 05 17:27 |
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| schestowitz | Drat. Big Media. | Jun 05 17:27 |
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| schestowitz | They also threatened to retaliate against Prince (The Artist) if he gives a CD of his for free with the Sunday paper. | Jun 05 17:28 |
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| Eruaran | I'm eventually going to get my site up and put some recordings on it | Jun 05 17:28 |
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| PetoKraus | schestowitz: why would you do that... i mean | Jun 05 17:28 |
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| PetoKraus | that's completely againist common sense | Jun 05 17:28 |
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| schestowitz | It's perfectly legal, but it drives Big Media nuts when people can get their dose of oxygen (music) elsewhere for cheaper/free. | Jun 05 17:28 |
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| Eruaran | the music will be drm free and available in ogg | Jun 05 17:28 |
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| PetoKraus | ogg :/ | Jun 05 17:28 |
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| PetoKraus | i like the idea, i just don't like the sound quality... | Jun 05 17:29 |
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| Eruaran | I'm not going to demand payment for it, just have a donations button and ask nicely for people to donate if they like my music | Jun 05 17:29 |
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| Eruaran | not only ogg | Jun 05 17:29 |
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| PetoKraus | :) you know | Jun 05 17:29 |
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| schestowitz | Learn from MySQL. No revenue, yet worth 1 billion. | Jun 05 17:29 |
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| Eruaran | but making sure ogg is there | Jun 05 17:29 |
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| schestowitz | Or hardly much revenue/profit. | Jun 05 17:30 |
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| PetoKraus | NIN released mp3, wav, flac, and that apple i-pod compatible stuff | Jun 05 17:30 |
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| PetoKraus | :) | Jun 05 17:30 |
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| schestowitz | People appreciate more than just money and are willing to pay for that. | Jun 05 17:30 |
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| PetoKraus | i wanted to say | Jun 05 17:31 |
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| Eruaran | I'd rather have people genuinely want to give me something cause they like what I do and want to support it | Jun 05 17:31 |
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| schestowitz | That's why Red Hat gets customers, _despite CentOS and Oracle. | Jun 05 17:31 |
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| Eruaran | I've never been comfortable with the who monetization, arm twisting thing | Jun 05 17:31 |
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| PetoKraus | i WOULD, gladly, pay to the author almost any price he wants for his music | Jun 05 17:31 |
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| PetoKraus | though, when I know it's mostly profit for recording company... scrap that, better go for live gig. | Jun 05 17:32 |
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| schestowitz | [sarcasm] no middleman? | Jun 05 17:32 |
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| schestowitz | Yes, you beat me to it. | Jun 05 17:32 |
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| PetoKraus | middleman can be a good thing | Jun 05 17:32 |
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| **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Jun 5 17:32:50 2008 |
| **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Jun 5 17:33:44 2008 |
| *Now talking on #boycottnovell | Jun 05 17:33 |
| *Topic for #boycottnovell is: Exploring the reality behind exclusionary deals with Microsoft and their subtle (yet severe) implications (publicly logged) | Jun 05 17:33 |
| *Topic for #boycottnovell set by schestowitz at Wed Jun 4 09:34:16 2008 | Jun 05 17:33 |
| -ChanServ-[#boycottnovell] Welcome to the #boycottnovell channel | Jun 05 17:33 |
| *ChanServ gives channel operator status to schestowitz | Jun 05 17:33 |
| Eruaran | wb schestowitz | Jun 05 17:35 |
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| PetoKraus | roy btw..., i like how you | Jun 05 17:35 |
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| schestowitz | Wrong keys | Jun 05 17:35 |
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| PetoKraus | reffer to yourself on BN as "we" | Jun 05 17:35 |
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| PetoKraus | /quit? | Jun 05 17:35 |
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| PetoKraus | common typo... | Jun 05 17:35 |
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| schestowitz | I hit CTRL+W. Can someone paste what I missed? | Jun 05 17:35 |
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| PetoKraus | Eruaran> I'd rather cheerful givers than people who were forced to get out their credit card or paypal | Jun 05 17:35 |
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| PetoKraus | <PetoKraus> but not if it steals 90% of the "value" of the art | Jun 05 17:35 |
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| schestowitz | I was just about the say (before the typo) that the drum beat/video clip type needs the investment of the moguls. | Jun 05 17:36 |
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| schestowitz | No bands though. | Jun 05 17:36 |
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| schestowitz | Linus distributions are on a similar boat | Jun 05 17:37 |
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| Eruaran | I'd rather a thousand people who happily give me a dollar in support and feel good about it, than 100 people who had to pay a set price first | Jun 05 17:37 |
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| schestowitz | Linux I mean. | Jun 05 17:37 |
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| PetoKraus | it's also... | Jun 05 17:37 |
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| schestowitz | And that's partially where Novell goes wrong, with its $50/year fee and horrid new EULA. | Jun 05 17:37 |
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| Eruaran | yes | Jun 05 17:38 |
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| PetoKraus | in slovakia, paying 10$ for a CD is quite a lot | Jun 05 17:38 |
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| Eruaran | I think I'll have a forum as well, where people can talk to me directly | Jun 05 17:38 |
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| PetoKraus | it's still 10 hours of labour | Jun 05 17:38 |
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| schestowitz | The price of CDs was going to be elevated a year ago. | Jun 05 17:38 |
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| PetoKraus | but in britain... 10$ is like... 2 beers? payment of less than an hour? | Jun 05 17:38 |
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| schestowitz | Microsoft tried this too with Vista. | Jun 05 17:38 |
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| Eruaran | Maybe have some promotional material people can buy if they want, like posters and things | Jun 05 17:39 |
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| schestowitz | Now it's discounts everywhere because people reject the O/S. | Jun 05 17:39 |
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| schestowitz | In its SEC filing, Microsoft recently warned about such miserable act which lead to decline in margins. | Jun 05 17:39 |
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| Eruaran | Its their own fault | Jun 05 17:40 |
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| schestowitz | In a way this relates to ways of sponsoring Free software developers. There needs to be a pool of media for reuse too. Watch what the Blender Foundation did with Big Buck Bunny.. | Jun 05 17:40 |
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| PetoKraus | ? | Jun 05 17:41 |
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| schestowitz | Question mark to whom? | Jun 05 17:41 |
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| PetoKraus | big buck bunny | Jun 05 17:41 |
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| Eruaran | I like what they did with Big Buck Bunny | Jun 05 17:41 |
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| Eruaran | Its a short animated film | Jun 05 17:42 |
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| PetoKraus | hmm, i think i heard about that... | Jun 05 17:42 |
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| schestowitz | All the models and sounds are there for reuse. | Jun 05 17:42 |
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| Eruaran | yes | Jun 05 17:42 |
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| schestowitz | POVRay had lots of sharable pollygon meshes too. | Jun 05 17:43 |
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| schestowitz | plogon | Jun 05 17:43 |
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| moparx | they did an excellent job on that | Jun 05 17:43 |
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| Eruaran | There's another element to me making my music free | Jun 05 17:43 |
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| schestowitz | (polygon) Damn, I should proofread. | Jun 05 17:43 |
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| Eruaran | Being able to hear what other people do with it becuase they are freely able to | Jun 05 17:43 |
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| PetoKraus | darn it, phoronix test suite 1.0 was released | Jun 05 17:44 |
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| schestowitz | GPL for music? | Jun 05 17:44 |
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| PetoKraus | that means, i've got work to do.... :/ | Jun 05 17:44 |
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| schestowitz | Is anyone using it? | Jun 05 17:44 |
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| Eruaran | yeahsurewhynot | Jun 05 17:44 |
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| schestowitz | I'm a (online) friend of Michael. | Jun 05 17:44 |
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| PetoKraus | well: http://www.gjh.sk/~3kraus/ | Jun 05 17:44 |
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| schestowitz | Some corporations use the benchmark tools... and reviewers. | Jun 05 17:44 |
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| PetoKraus | i tend to talk to him as well | Jun 05 17:44 |
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| Eruaran | I think I'd only put finished songs online | Jun 05 17:45 |
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| schestowitz | When I was 20 I did some karaoke thingie and tossed it online too. | Jun 05 17:45 |
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| Eruaran | But if someone asked me if they could use a specific track out of the mix I'd be like, "yeah" | Jun 05 17:45 |
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| Eruaran | I don't think in terms of, "they're stealing my music", I think in terms of, "I'm interested in hearing what this person does with this track" | Jun 05 17:46 |
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| schestowitz | The notion of versioning and forking songs would be odd. | Jun 05 17:46 |
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| PetoKraus | ehm | Jun 05 17:46 |
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| PetoKraus | remix.nin.com | Jun 05 17:46 |
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| schestowitz | Oh yeah. | Jun 05 17:46 |
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| PetoKraus | i know i am repeating myself... but since he is the only one who does it... | Jun 05 17:47 |
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| schestowitz | Read it in the news at the time, but never listened. | Jun 05 17:47 |
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| Eruaran | He's already doing what alot of us have been thinking about | Jun 05 17:47 |
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| Eruaran | I'm not thinking of forking songs :P | Jun 05 17:48 |
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| Eruaran | I'm simply thinking of free creativity | Jun 05 17:49 |
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| Eruaran | A competitive environment in music is an anathema to me... I like collaboration | Jun 05 17:49 |
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| schestowitz | What about mixes? | Jun 05 17:51 |
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| schestowitz | Or what many disk jockeys already do, controversially enough. | Jun 05 17:51 |
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| schestowitz | disc | Jun 05 17:51 |
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| PetoKraus | well, good discoteque (sp?) is hard to pull off | Jun 05 17:52 |
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| tessier_ | Wow, povray...haven't heard anyone else talk about that in ages. | Jun 05 17:57 |
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| Eruaran | to lighten the mood | Jun 05 17:57 |
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| schestowitz | Yes, I tried it back in 2003. | Jun 05 17:57 |
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| Eruaran | Here's a recent quote from Aaron Seigo | Jun 05 17:58 |
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| tessier_ | I remember way back in 1990 or so I downloaded a copy of povray from a BBS and rendered really cool looking spheres and squares and reflections and stuff in EGA on my 286. | Jun 05 17:58 |
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| tessier_ | Took an hour to render a whole screen. | Jun 05 17:58 |
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| PetoKraus | good thing | Jun 05 17:59 |
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| PetoKraus | i need to read trough it | Jun 05 18:00 |
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| PetoKraus | but i've got good pro-ODF news from my country | Jun 05 18:00 |
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| Eruaran | Explaining how a nice API does things for you, "we have little wood elves that run through he forest writing... code" | Jun 05 18:01 |
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| PetoKraus | it seems that the government proposed a... law or regulation, which... | Jun 05 18:01 |
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| PetoKraus | yeah, our government is obliged to acknowledge only documents received in ODF, PDF, RTF or HTML | Jun 05 18:02 |
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| PetoKraus | no DOC / OOXML whatsoever | Jun 05 18:02 |
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| Eruaran | thats good | Jun 05 18:02 |
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| PetoKraus | preffered display/publishing format is PDF 1.3 | Jun 05 18:02 |
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| schestowitz | Good news. | Jun 05 18:02 |
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| PetoKraus | DOC is forbidden for publishing of documents, but allowed for intra-governmential communication | Jun 05 18:02 |
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| schestowitz | Link in English maybe? Maybe we can beat other sites to it in BN.com... | Jun 05 18:03 |
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| PetoKraus | i CAN try and translate it | Jun 05 18:03 |
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| schestowitz | I'm slow to respond because I'm writing a Patrick D rebuttal at the moment. | Jun 05 18:03 |
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| PetoKraus | or you can tell me how to use google translator | Jun 05 18:03 |
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| schestowitz | I just use Googlebar (open source) to do it with one click, so I'm not sure. | Jun 05 18:04 |
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| schestowitz | Try translate.google.com | Jun 05 18:04 |
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| schestowitz | I'm not sure if it does your native language. | Jun 05 18:04 |
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| Eruaran | i tried to get the google translator to do some arabic for me | Jun 05 18:04 |
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| PetoKraus | well | Jun 05 18:04 |
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| Eruaran | it was bad... but amusing | Jun 05 18:04 |
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| PetoKraus | We are not yet able to translate from Slovak into English. | Jun 05 18:05 |
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| PetoKraus | FANNIES! | Jun 05 18:05 |
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| PetoKraus | alright, got some work to do | Jun 05 18:06 |
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| Eruaran | I have to be going as well | Jun 05 18:06 |
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| schestowitz | Translating? | Jun 05 18:07 |
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| schestowitz | :-) | Jun 05 18:07 |
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| PetoKraus | well, definitely for me ;) | Jun 05 18:07 |
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| schestowitz | Not to worry. I can make use of the information that you posted here. | Jun 05 18:08 |
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| PetoKraus | there is more to it | Jun 05 18:09 |
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| PetoKraus | there is also some stuff about not using rar, but tar | Jun 05 18:09 |
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| schestowitz | That's good. | Jun 05 18:12 |
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| schestowitz | Any information you can post here I will pass on. | Jun 05 18:12 |
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| PetoKraus | gimme half an hour | Jun 05 18:13 |
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| schestowitz | Thank you. | Jun 05 18:14 |
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| PetoKraus | hmm | Jun 05 18:25 |
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| PetoKraus | my english is bad when it comes to translation xD | Jun 05 18:26 |
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| schestowitz | Don't worry about it. | Jun 05 18:26 |
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| schestowitz | I posted the gist of it seconds ago. | Jun 05 18:26 |
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| schestowitz | This ought to suffice. | Jun 05 18:26 |
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| schestowitz | It's the FUD from Patrick that was another big issue, so I addressed it. Now I just want to post some Linux links (plenty of good news today, including big migrations) | Jun 05 18:27 |
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| schestowitz | wb | Jun 05 18:30 |
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| moparx | thanks | Jun 05 18:32 |
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| tessier_ | barakobama.com runs Linux. hillaryclinton.com runs windows. johnmccain.com runs windows. nohillaryclinton.com runs Linux. contribute.hillaryclinton.com (where they take the campaign donations) runs Linux. | Jun 05 18:44 |
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| tessier_ | I think that pretty much says it all. | Jun 05 18:44 |
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| schestowitz | Yes, I knew this. It's very revealing. Some people take local production all the way. | Jun 05 18:46 |
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| PetoKraus | uhm | Jun 05 18:47 |
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| PetoKraus | no word wrap | Jun 05 18:47 |
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| PetoKraus | but scrap it | Jun 05 18:47 |
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| PetoKraus | http://www.irc.gjh.sk/pastebin/583 | Jun 05 18:47 |
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| schestowitz | Thanks! | Jun 05 18:47 |
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| PetoKraus | if you need to clarify anything... just tell me | Jun 05 18:47 |
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| PetoKraus | slovak sentence construction is something like german | Jun 05 18:47 |
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| PetoKraus | it's totally f**ked | Jun 05 18:48 |
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| schestowitz | Attribution? (your name) | Jun 05 18:48 |
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| PetoKraus | Peter Kraus | Jun 05 18:49 |
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| PetoKraus | write some generic | Jun 05 18:49 |
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| PetoKraus | "my english is lame, IANAtranslator disclaimer" | Jun 05 18:49 |
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| schestowitz | Thanks. | Jun 05 18:58 |
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| schestowitz | Haha. IANAT | Jun 05 18:58 |
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| PetoKraus | g2g | Jun 05 19:06 |
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| PetoKraus | ttyl | Jun 05 19:06 |
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| schestowitz | Thanks | Jun 05 19:09 |
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| schestowitz | Just posted your translation, so hopefully thousands will see it. | Jun 05 19:10 |
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