| *ZiggyFish (n=brendan@123-243-163-103.static.tpgi.com.au) has joined #boycottnovell | Jul 08 02:23 |
| ZiggyFish | lol lol lol lol, http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.d... | Jul 08 02:23 |
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| ZiggyFish | Microsoft's Silverlight draws patent suit | Jul 08 02:24 |
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| ZiggyFish | The company cites Microsoft's upcoming on-demand video coverage of the Beijing 2008 Olympic Games on NBCOlympics.com as infringing behavior, because the Web site uses Silverlight to tag video and make it searchable. | Jul 08 02:24 |
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| schestowitz | ZiggyFish: watch this: http://boycottnovell.com/2008/07/07/micr... | Jul 08 05:39 |
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| ZiggyFish | yeah | Jul 08 05:42 |
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| ZiggyFish | we can't even do our taxes on line without windows | Jul 08 05:42 |
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| schestowitz | I thought they fixed it. I mean, before Sam Varghese wrote something about it going sour again. | Jul 08 05:43 |
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| ZiggyFish | nope | Jul 08 05:43 |
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| ZiggyFish | http://www.ato.gov.au/indiv... | Jul 08 05:44 |
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| schestowitz | Can Wine handle it? | Jul 08 05:45 |
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| ZiggyFish | nope (not completely, you can install it, but you get to a point where you start answering questions, then it fails) | Jul 08 05:46 |
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| schestowitz | Considering the fact that it's you who's paying for it, the client needn't just be cross-platform. It must be Free software or at least open source too. | Jul 08 05:47 |
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| schestowitz | Then again, didn't the government also sell out to the maximalists by approving swpatents? | Jul 08 05:47 |
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| ZiggyFish | but 'The Tax Office will continue investigating to make e-tax available to different computer platforms.' suggests that it's in the planning | Jul 08 05:47 |
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| ZiggyFish | the tool is free. | Jul 08 05:48 |
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| ZiggyFish | yes, I think they did | Jul 08 05:48 |
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| schestowitz | "Continue investigating" = "get off our bloody backs" | Jul 08 05:49 |
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| schestowitz | It was the same with iPlayer. Words are cheap! | Jul 08 05:49 |
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| ZiggyFish | yep | Jul 08 05:49 |
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| ZiggyFish | even macs can't do use it | Jul 08 05:49 |
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| ZiggyFish | e-tax is not compatible with Linux or Apple Macintosh computers. However, e-tax has been tested successfully on an Apple computer running OS X v10.4.3 with Virtual PC 7 software emulating a recommended Windows operating system. | Jul 08 05:50 |
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| schestowitz | No, no. They need to go out and buy Vista. Good luck finding a PC that can run the thing. | Jul 08 05:50 |
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| schestowitz | Agents of monopolisation. Wintel must be proud. There should really be some global laws against this type of abuse. | Jul 08 05:51 |
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| schestowitz | They must be out of their minds forcing people to buy one of the worst O/Ses in recent decades (XP no longer up for sale) -- also one that got 40% of the PC worldwide hijacked. It's like forcing all citizens to eat a bug. | Jul 08 05:53 |
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| ZiggyFish | what can you do though? | Jul 08 05:54 |
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| schestowitz | Identify those responsible for this mess. Protest. | Jul 08 05:54 |
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| ZiggyFish | how long have the green peace been protesting for? | Jul 08 05:55 |
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| schestowitz | They are heard. Companies at least try to score better. | Jul 08 05:56 |
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| ZiggyFish | have you seen power's(from LinuxJornal) video to HP? | Jul 08 05:57 |
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| ZiggyFish | http://www.linuxjournal.com/video... | Jul 08 05:58 |
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| schestowitz | Yes. | Jul 08 05:58 |
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| schestowitz | Posted it in BN.com too. H-P is very close to Microsoft. See my post from yesterday about GNOME and OpenLogic. | Jul 08 05:59 |
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| ZiggyFish | ATM, I'm working on LinuxMadeEasy <linuxmadeeasy.org> | Jul 08 06:06 |
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| schestowitz | For you or for friends? | Jul 08 06:07 |
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| ZiggyFish | for me | Jul 08 06:07 |
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| ZiggyFish | it's a website I'm creating to make the transition to Linux easyer | Jul 08 06:08 |
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| schestowitz | Ah, nice one. | Jul 08 06:08 |
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| schestowitz | 101er | Jul 08 06:08 |
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| ZiggyFish | yep, but I want to stay away from the howto's as much as possible | Jul 08 06:09 |
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| ZiggyFish | fell free to create some content for the site. it's going to be an open project, where anyone can contribute | Jul 08 06:10 |
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| schestowitz | The Aussie banks should go ahead with their plans to just disseminate Live CDs/ | Jul 08 06:10 |
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| schestowitz | See, this is the thing. Banks go bananas because Windows is Swiss cheese and at the same time the tax office forces people to buy that Swiss cheese. | Jul 08 06:11 |
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| ZiggyFish | yep | Jul 08 06:12 |
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| schestowitz | I don't know much about AU, but it seems as though the government there is Bill-friendly. It's probably worse in the UK, but there you have it... | Jul 08 06:14 |
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| ZiggyFish | it's is exactly like that | Jul 08 06:15 |
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| schestowitz | "USA - Gates, Melinda F. - Co-Founder, Gates Foundation, wife of Bill Gates " http://www.prisonplanet.com/arti... | Jul 08 06:17 |
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| schestowitz | See if you can identify someone from you government there. Brown and Blair are part of this club. | Jul 08 06:17 |
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| ZiggyFish | nope (quick glance), our country code is AU (or sometimes (AUS)) | Jul 08 06:19 |
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| ZiggyFish | USA has 36 though | Jul 08 06:21 |
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| schestowitz | Yes, they are powerful. It's mostly the centralisation of control. It's a timely mentioned because of what goes on in Europe at the moment (I suppose you've read it). | Jul 08 06:22 |
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| ZiggyFish | yeah | Jul 08 06:22 |
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| schestowitz | Add to this Ichan and Ballmer running around to behead Yahoo! | Jul 08 06:23 |
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| schestowitz | In part, this is about Silverlight and use of the Web to force people to buy software. | Jul 08 06:23 |
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| ZiggyFish | yeah, but will the share holder vote for this movement, that is the question | Jul 08 06:24 |
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| schestowitz | At Yahoo? | Jul 08 06:24 |
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| ZiggyFish | yeah | Jul 08 06:24 |
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| schestowitz | Microsoft is planting its own people. It's seat warmers, just like in OOXML, even Cocast did this last year at the FCC hearing. | Jul 08 06:24 |
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| schestowitz | *Comcast | Jul 08 06:25 |
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| schestowitz | How was the trip? | Jul 08 08:12 |
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| PetoKraus | very nice | Jul 08 08:16 |
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| PetoKraus | i am tired like hell, though :) | Jul 08 08:16 |
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| schestowitz | Morning, kentma. | Jul 08 08:17 |
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| ZiggyFish | PetoKraus: good morning | Jul 08 08:23 |
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| *RogerBacon (i=RogerBac@bas3-sherbrooke40-1177840028.dsl.bell.ca) has joined #boycottnovell | Jul 08 09:00 |
| RogerBacon | hi | Jul 08 09:00 |
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| RogerBacon | someone read this before ? : http://www.laquadrature.net/en/... | Jul 08 09:00 |
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| schestowitz | Seen it, yes. | Jul 08 09:01 |
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| schestowitz | Did you see what I posted about it yesterday? Trails of corruption. | Jul 08 09:01 |
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| RogerBacon | link ? | Jul 08 09:02 |
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| RogerBacon | i can't sleep (its 3 am here) | Jul 08 09:02 |
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| RogerBacon | drinked too mutch pepsi i guess ;) | Jul 08 09:02 |
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| schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/2008/07/0... | Jul 08 09:03 |
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| RogerBacon | time to create my own darknet :/ | Jul 08 09:06 |
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| schestowitz | Let me know when you have one built. | Jul 08 09:07 |
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| RogerBacon | oops | Jul 08 09:09 |
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| RogerBacon | darknet is for file sharing | Jul 08 09:09 |
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| RogerBacon | internet of confiance sounds better | Jul 08 09:10 |
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| schestowitz | Where's Google et al in this whole fiasco? Eerily quiet. | Jul 08 09:10 |
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| RogerBacon | hey, just find out that drupal for python | Jul 08 09:15 |
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| RogerBacon | seem nice to use ;) | Jul 08 09:15 |
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| schestowitz | You mean Drupal written in Python? | Jul 08 09:15 |
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| RogerBacon | shi* | Jul 08 09:16 |
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| RogerBacon | django | Jul 08 09:17 |
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| schestowitz | Oh, I see. That's Ajax. | Jul 08 09:17 |
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| RogerBacon | web framework for python | Jul 08 09:18 |
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| PetoKraus | right. What's the most important thing that happened in last 4 days? | Jul 08 09:19 |
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| PetoKraus | :P | Jul 08 09:19 |
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| schestowitz | PetoKraus: the Internet thingie you mean? | Jul 08 09:19 |
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| PetoKraus | anything, basically | Jul 08 09:19 |
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| PetoKraus | is Iran under US attack yet? | Jul 08 09:20 |
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| *RogerBacon thx PetoKraus to have hijacked my conversation ... | Jul 08 09:20 |
| PetoKraus | :P | Jul 08 09:20 |
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| schestowitz | :-p | Jul 08 09:20 |
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| schestowitz | So what's that about a python in Iran? | Jul 08 09:20 |
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| PetoKraus | i am just wondering at... XXX new feeds everywhere, so, looks like something happened, and i don't feel like wikipedia chain today | Jul 08 09:21 |
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| RogerBacon | what happened in the last 4 day - just get impressed by the fact that the world didn't collapsed *YET* | Jul 08 09:23 |
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| schestowitz | See Beranger's latest rant about it. | Jul 08 09:24 |
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| PetoKraus | :D | Jul 08 09:24 |
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| schestowitz | http://beranger.org/index.php?page=dia... | Jul 08 09:24 |
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| RogerBacon | just finished reading little brother | Jul 08 09:25 |
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| schestowitz | I'm going to make some posts for BN.com now. Some ugly MS stuff, as usual... | Jul 08 09:32 |
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| PetoKraus | that rant is nice. | Jul 08 09:52 |
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| PetoKraus | :) | Jul 08 09:52 |
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| schestowitz | No more DE reviews though. | Jul 08 09:54 |
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| schestowitz | He should really evaluate proprietary software to show how broken it is. | Jul 08 09:55 |
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| PetoKraus | that gentoo thing was nice | Jul 08 09:56 |
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| PetoKraus | it's true. | Jul 08 09:56 |
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| schestowitz | Well, it's a scary thing to approach. No more scary than OpenBSD though. :-) | Jul 08 09:59 |
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| PetoKraus | yes. I mean, all those things about gentoo identity crisis are true. If i was managing the project, i'd ditch the livecd installs, and support only online-based installation from minimal installation media | Jul 08 10:00 |
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| PetoKraus | (or possibly, offline based, with source codes of bunch of apps, but not as an automated installation livecd) | Jul 08 10:01 |
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| PetoKraus | the point is, they try to market gentoo as an user-friendly distro, suitable for everyone, etc etc, easy to install... which it isn't, definitely, and hopefully never be (since making something easy to install means making it less configurable, "stocked", generalised) | Jul 08 10:02 |
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| schestowitz | Have you see Steve's Lake latest article? I sent it to PJ and she liked it too. It's about Ubuntu vanity -- deciding for others that GNOME is it. | Jul 08 10:03 |
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| PetoKraus | no, i've read only the rant so far :P | Jul 08 10:04 |
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| *RogerBacon (i=RogerBac@bas3-sherbrooke40-1177838720.dsl.bell.ca) has joined #boycottnovell | Jul 08 10:06 |
| PetoKraus | schestowitz: could you throw a link, please? | Jul 08 10:08 |
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| schestowitz | Yes, sure. | Jul 08 10:09 |
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| schestowitz | But to what exactly? | Jul 08 10:09 |
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| RogerBacon | WE ARE DOOMED | Jul 08 10:10 |
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| RogerBacon | http://cyberinsecure.com/mic... | Jul 08 10:10 |
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| schestowitz | Oh, Microsoft has done this for ages. http://boycottnovell.com/2008/0... | Jul 08 10:11 |
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| schestowitz | You are not allowed to talk about it though. If you do, anonymous shills would start calling you paranoid and if you link to man bits of proofs, they'll go to great lengths to dismiss articles as 'incorrect'. It's a taboo, like global warming, but even the Partner Group recently acknowledged this. | Jul 08 10:13 |
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| RogerBacon | 'm in the security business, and the security business is the business of paranoia | Jul 08 10:15 |
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| PetoKraus | "Mr. Gates, when did you realise you are trying to build a monopoly?" "Oh, monopoly is a game, i am trying to rule the world! We are currently working on a project called total information technology - TIT. And when you are sucking the tit, we've got you by the motherboard!" -- Robin Williams, Live On Broadway | Jul 08 10:16 |
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| PetoKraus | when comedians realise how bad the situation is, it's really bad. | Jul 08 10:17 |
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| schestowitz | :-) Well, there's nothing funny about it. Mac OS X is the same BTW. | Jul 08 10:17 |
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| PetoKraus | that scary part is the funny one. | Jul 08 10:18 |
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| RogerBacon | os x is crap ? | Jul 08 10:19 |
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| *RogerBacon ruunnn | Jul 08 10:20 |
| schestowitz | Hmmm... | Jul 08 10:25 |
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| schestowitz | It's only funny because I never touch proprietary O/Ses. | Jul 08 10:25 |
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| RogerBacon | wow | Jul 08 10:30 |
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| RogerBacon | didn't sleep at all - was in front of my computer all thsi time ... wow ... | Jul 08 10:30 |
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| schestowitz | This is why I love wikileaks: http://boycottnovell.com/2008/0... | Jul 08 11:08 |
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| moparx | :) | Jul 08 14:15 |
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| schestowitz | It seems like everyone is now falling victim to Microsoft buddies: http://boycottnovell.com/20... . Who's next? Google? Novell already has that IBM plant called Hovsepian. | Jul 08 17:51 |
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| schestowitz | Beebe on KDE: http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/28457 Now I understand why some people labeled him Linux-hostile. | Jul 08 18:26 |
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| RogerBacon | dunno if its a good idea to leak some professional program | Jul 08 20:06 |
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| schestowitz | Go ahead. | Jul 08 20:08 |
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| RogerBacon | it's for some VHF transmiter / receiver | Jul 08 20:09 |
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| RogerBacon | motorola CDM series | Jul 08 20:09 |
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| RogerBacon | professional stuff | Jul 08 20:11 |
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| schestowitz | Where? | Jul 08 20:11 |
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| RogerBacon | where i'll put the files ? | Jul 08 20:12 |
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| schestowitz | Is it legal to do so? | Jul 08 20:12 |
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| RogerBacon | totally not | Jul 08 20:13 |
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| RogerBacon | :P | Jul 08 20:13 |
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| RogerBacon | i can pastle the license agrement .. | Jul 08 20:13 |
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| schestowitz | Well, maybe the folks at channel #b0yc011n0v311 would be interested. | Jul 08 20:14 |
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| moparx | :o | Jul 08 20:14 |
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| RogerBacon | that's channel is too leet for me | Jul 08 20:14 |
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| RogerBacon | ;) | Jul 08 20:14 |
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| moparx | haha | Jul 08 20:14 |
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| RogerBacon | *l33t | Jul 08 20:15 |
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| RogerBacon | im doing it wrong :/ | Jul 08 20:15 |
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| schestowitz | Yup!!111 | Jul 08 20:15 |
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| schestowitz | 133t | Jul 08 20:15 |
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| schestowitz | I've just found something curious | Jul 08 20:15 |
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| schestowitz | I reckon GNOME is becoming a bit more like Novell. | Jul 08 20:16 |
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| RogerBacon | how can you said that | Jul 08 20:16 |
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| RogerBacon | :@ | Jul 08 20:16 |
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| schestowitz | I have nothing firm to support this yet. | Jul 08 20:16 |
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| schestowitz | Miguel's... well, GNOME co-founder (I believe) is working with Microsoft-affiliated companies. | Jul 08 20:17 |
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| schestowitz | She's now coming to GNOME as one who's supposed to market it to Microsoft-oriented companies. | Jul 08 20:17 |
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| schestowitz | It's the whole IPR reform thing. Making FOSS just OSS and an object owned by those with imaginary assets. | Jul 08 20:18 |
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| schestowitz | I presented the case yesterday, but it wasn't compelling enough. It got about 50 Diggs in 24 hours, but no front page. I'll have a second go later, equipped with new exhibits. | Jul 08 20:19 |
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| RogerBacon | where's the best place to lleek some file | Jul 08 20:20 |
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| RogerBacon | im sure motorola youldn't be happy | Jul 08 20:21 |
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| schestowitz | I don't know. Motorola isn't really evil. | Jul 08 20:21 |
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| *RogerBacon has offered CPS06.04.cab (6367193 bytes) | Jul 08 20:21 |
| RogerBacon | okay, then do it ;) | Jul 08 20:22 |
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| schestowitz | What would I do with a CAB? I don't have Winders on any of my boxes. | Jul 08 20:24 |
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| *DCC RECV connect attempt to RogerBacon failed (err=Connection timed out). | Jul 08 20:27 |
| cozub | there's cabextract or something like that | Jul 08 20:28 |
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| cozub | http://www.cabextract.org.uk/ seems to be the home page | Jul 08 20:29 |
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| schestowitz | Oh, thanks. What would I do with the file though? Other than the fact that RogerBacon publicly sends a file that he's not allowed to...? | Jul 08 20:32 |
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| cozub | huh, I wasn't following, just noticed you're asking about a CAB files... as usualyl I lack context, sorry :) | Jul 08 20:32 |
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| schestowitz | That's OK. I'm slow to respond now BTW. Making dinner so running up and down the house. | Jul 08 20:35 |
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| schestowitz | If anyone on IRC could help with the research on GNOME, please holler. | Jul 08 20:43 |
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