| schestowitz | Which picture? | Dec 31 00:00 |
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| neighborlee | breasts | Dec 31 00:00 |
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| neighborlee | 3d virtual stuff..oh lovely ;( | Dec 31 00:00 |
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| schestowitz | It won't kill you. | Dec 31 00:00 |
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| neighborlee | LOL | Dec 31 00:00 |
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| schestowitz | 3-d virtual breasts? | Dec 31 00:00 |
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| neighborlee | I mean I dont see any links TO them | Dec 31 00:00 |
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| neighborlee | LOL | Dec 31 00:00 |
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| neighborlee | no ;) | Dec 31 00:00 |
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| neighborlee | language can be a silly barrier sometimes ;) | Dec 31 00:00 |
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| schestowitz | Oh :-( | Dec 31 00:00 |
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| neighborlee | lol | Dec 31 00:00 |
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| schestowitz | What was that funny thing.. | Dec 31 00:00 |
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| schestowitz | Wait.. | Dec 31 00:00 |
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| schestowitz | When you said yum at the wrong time.. | Dec 31 00:01 |
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| neighborlee | cute ;) | Dec 31 00:01 |
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| schestowitz | I can't recall how it went or what was said. | Dec 31 00:01 |
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| neighborlee | although, ive been subjected to alot of breast feeding as of late ;) | Dec 31 00:02 |
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| neighborlee | my good friend's baby has done alot of it last several months ;)( | Dec 31 00:02 |
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| neighborlee | she's very good about taking cover when im there of course..kinda funny/cute though ;) | Dec 31 00:02 |
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| neighborlee | LOL her child was crawling all around up inside her upper torso area one day..as he would if he was climbing or something, it was very funnny!! | Dec 31 00:03 |
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| neighborlee | would have made a perfect , most funnny videos I can say without hesitation ;) | Dec 31 00:03 |
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| neighborlee | as well the laughter jack makes just before she starts breast feeding him..its just hillarius ;) | Dec 31 00:03 |
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| neighborlee | rious | Dec 31 00:03 |
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| neighborlee | gn ;) | Dec 31 00:17 |
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| twitter | High all. I'm back. | Dec 31 04:13 |
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| twitter | I expect most of you are sleeping, so I will too. I'll see you in the morning. | Dec 31 04:14 |
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| schestowitz | wb | Dec 31 07:25 |
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| schestowitz | "Jobs' Health Rapidly Declining, Inevitable News Spring 2009" < http://www.osnews.com/story/20709/Jobs_H... > | Dec 31 07:52 |
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| schestowitz | 'According to the anonymous source, Steve Jobs' health situation may be far worse than we imagined. "Steves health is rapidly declining," the source claims, "Apple is choosing to remove the hype factor strategically vs. letting the hype destroy Apple when the inevitable news comes later this spring." ' | Dec 31 07:53 |
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| schestowitz | CBS newsman's $70m lawsuit likely to deal Bush legacy a new blow http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/200... | Dec 31 07:56 |
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| schestowitz | "As George W Bush prepares to leave the White House, at least one unpleasant episode from his unpopular presidency is threatening to follow him into retirement." | Dec 31 07:56 |
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| schestowitz | Just like Microsoft... they try to pressure people out of their job if they don't obey the nastiness. Peter Quinn comes to mind. | Dec 31 07:57 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.prwatch.org/node/8100 "President-elect Barack Obama's close advisers "tend to shudder at any parallels to George W. Bush," writes Mark Leibovich, "but many reporters and rivals have noted the 'Bush-like' tendencies the Obama campaign demonstrated in its ability to control information" | Dec 31 07:59 |
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| schestowitz | "Alan Rusbridger, who edits the British Guardian, thinks fear of libel lawsuits from big corporations may have contributed to journalists' failure to adequately report on the dangerous economic decisions that led to the recent implosion of the global financial system." < http://www.prwatch.org/node/8102 > | Dec 31 08:01 |
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| ikle | hi | Dec 31 08:02 |
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| schestowitz | Hey there. | Dec 31 08:02 |
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| ikle | guys i came across your channel on google | Dec 31 08:02 |
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| ikle | anyone does jailbreak here for iphones? | Dec 31 08:02 |
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| ikle | :P | Dec 31 08:02 |
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| ikle | hi schestowitz | Dec 31 08:02 |
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| schestowitz | I think G3 was cracked too | Dec 31 08:02 |
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| schestowitz | They keep trying to C&D those guys, IIRC | Dec 31 08:03 |
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| ikle | how do you jailbreak g3 | Dec 31 08:03 |
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| ikle | i got the g3 | Dec 31 08:03 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.iphonehacks.com/jailbre... | Dec 31 08:04 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.iphonehacks.com/2008/07/j... | Dec 31 08:04 |
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| ikle | i think thats where i was | Dec 31 08:05 |
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| schestowitz | There are more resource, but it's a moving target | Dec 31 08:05 |
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| schestowitz | Apple hates freedom | Dec 31 08:05 |
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| schestowitz | "Jobs' Health Rapidly Declining, Inevitable News Spring 2009" < http://www.osnews.com/story/20709/Jobs_Heal... > | Dec 31 08:06 |
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| schestowitz | [just in] | Dec 31 08:06 |
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| ikle | oh ok | Dec 31 08:07 |
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| schestowitz | Here's the thing | Dec 31 08:08 |
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| schestowitz | Apple is getting popular in the US, but Linux is a lot bigger outside the US | Dec 31 08:08 |
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| schestowitz | English-speaking sites don't draw the correct picture. | Dec 31 08:08 |
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| schestowitz | And it's the same with iPhone. In few countries the iPhone is popular, but those are the places our media covers | Dec 31 08:09 |
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| schestowitz | It's ideal if closed phones are avoided altogether and discouraged through one's wallet. | Dec 31 08:09 |
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| macabe | Hi | Dec 31 08:16 |
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| schestowitz | Hey there. | Dec 31 08:18 |
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| macabe | I have this terminal on continuously and logged to IRC all the time-for the rest of our support staff to see and learn. | Dec 31 08:18 |
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| macabe | Is it causing any conflicts for you? | Dec 31 08:18 |
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| schestowitz | No, no conflicts | Dec 31 08:20 |
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| macabe | Cool, I appreciate it. We've bought our fearless leader a membership to Free Software Foundation for XMAS. | Dec 31 08:21 |
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| macabe | He'll like the GNU membership card when he gets it. | Dec 31 08:22 |
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| schestowitz | Very cool | Dec 31 08:26 |
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| schestowitz | I know others who did too | Dec 31 08:26 |
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| *schestowitz catches up with an attack at http://lxer.com/module/forums/t/28295/ | Dec 31 08:27 |
| schestowitz | There is so much BS there that I don't know where to start. | Dec 31 08:27 |
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| macabe | The "SLOG". | Dec 31 08:27 |
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| schestowitz | The usual people defend me. | Dec 31 08:28 |
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| schestowitz | I've just caught up with this thread. I'm always sad to see lies about me posted without challenge, but I suppose I should expect them because some people who are affiliated with things I write about are not so happy, so they shoot my character, sometimes with libel they pick up somewhere and reuse. | Dec 31 08:28 |
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| schestowitz | Like many people, I sometimes err and I have many hostile readers who nitpick my writings to find some word they don't like. Others try to associate me with some people who read the site and use these other people('s character) to discredit me. That's not fair. | Dec 31 08:28 |
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| schestowitz | I'll do a quick comment there actually. | Dec 31 08:29 |
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| macabe | Never is when you put a mirror to someone's face and show them what they really are. | Dec 31 08:29 |
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| schestowitz | OK, posted. "If you find factual mistake, please correct them. Don't scrape some false insults from somewhere and then glue elsewhere them to just spread them. BTW, people failed to detect some sarcasm from Shane Coyle. He later clarified. As for me, I haven't lived in my parents' house since I was 18, so enough with the BS, please. Happy new year, Roy" | Dec 31 08:30 |
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| schestowitz | I needed to just say *something* | Dec 31 08:31 |
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| schestowitz | I guess the bigger the sites grows (we had about 250,000 hits yesterday), the more subjected to scrutiny we'll become | Dec 31 08:31 |
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| tessier | http://minimsft.blogspot.com/2008/12/no-... | Dec 31 08:38 |
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| tessier | No layoffs afterall? Everyone seemed so sure there would be... | Dec 31 08:38 |
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| schestowitz | tessier: an analyst advised this too | Dec 31 08:38 |
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| schestowitz | tessier: I saw this yesterday. It might not mean much. | Dec 31 08:38 |
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| tessier | It sure seemed to mean a lot when we were expecting layoffs | Dec 31 08:39 |
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| schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/2008/12/28/o... | Dec 31 08:39 |
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| schestowitz | That's nothing to do with 'mini' | Dec 31 08:39 |
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| macabe | Is the anyway to get an .ogg(v) of Revolution O/S? We have a class on intro to computers at the community center and would like to show it. | Dec 31 08:49 |
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| schestowitz | It's too large for me to put on the server. | Dec 31 08:50 |
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| schestowitz | It's also a copyrights issue. | Dec 31 08:50 |
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| macabe | OK. Can we point to the post and overhead it? | Dec 31 08:51 |
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| schestowitz | You can do it full screen. | Dec 31 08:52 |
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| schestowitz | http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=77... | Dec 31 08:52 |
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| macabe | Thanks. That will work also. | Dec 31 08:53 |
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| schestowitz | Oh, it's snowing! | Dec 31 08:53 |
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| macabe | Also here in Rochester. | Dec 31 08:54 |
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| schestowitz | 17 Telecommuting Pet Peeves < http://www.cio.com/article/473164/_... > "Telecommuting is great. I've been doing it full time for most of 20 years. But it isn't perfect. Working at home has its own set of irritations, some of which aren't well understood—particularly by those who don't telecommute." | Dec 31 09:00 |
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| tessier | No snow here in San Diego | Dec 31 09:56 |
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| schestowitz | :-) | Dec 31 09:58 |
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| schestowitz | On the Charity Killer (Intel) and Linux: | Dec 31 09:59 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1... | Dec 31 09:59 |
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| schestowitz | And another one bites the dust: http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/188/... | Dec 31 09:59 |
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| schestowitz | Maybe a non-MS-funded fork of go-oo? (I have yet to use it, but will try it now on your recommendation.) < http://ostatic.com/blog/a-diatribe-ag... > | Dec 31 10:08 |
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| -christel-[Global Notice] As Chatham Island, NZ enters 2009 I'd like to wish each and every one of our users a very happy New Year! As normal #freenode-newyears is open and you're welcome to join us there! We may send the occasional wallop over the next day, however, this will be the only global notice. If you wish to see further messages from staff please set yourself +w. | Dec 31 10:14 |
| schestowitz | http://www.stormyscorner.com/2008/12/is-ope... She says "intellectual property"... yes... director or whatever of GNOME. | Dec 31 10:15 |
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| schestowitz | What is this nonsense about 'right' to 'own' knowledge? It's time for IBM to call it a day with its 'IP' bubble (like the economic crisis which was triggered by imaginary property) and 'pull a Bilski' on software patents. | Dec 31 10:15 |
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| schestowitz | Copyrights are hardly an issue in this case, but this has always been an /excuse/ for GPU makers (oh! Our precious IP!!), which they _later REFUTED_ by going open source. | Dec 31 10:15 |
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| schestowitz | Just told someone about Enderle "Be aware that you feed a friend of Ballmer whose opinions are up for sale." http://boycottnovell.com/2008/11/23/ro... http://boycottnovell.com/2008/12/11/rob... | Dec 31 10:20 |
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| schestowitz | Rob Enderle: Putting the ‘Anal’ in ‘Analyst’ < http://daringfireball.net/2003/12/enderle > | Dec 31 10:21 |
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| schestowitz | "Enderle for years has been banging the drum that Apple is doomed unless it switches gears and starts making Wintel-compatible PCs and competing with Dell on “style”." | Dec 31 10:22 |
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| schestowitz | http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/2008123... "A joint packaging effort between the two distros was also recently announced for the transition to Mono 2.0." | Dec 31 10:24 |
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| schestowitz | Link there to Jo Shiels pushing the dotnets [sic] into the distros | Dec 31 10:25 |
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| trmanco | http://gizmodo.com/5121311/reports-30gb-... | Dec 31 12:15 |
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| trmanco | scheduled DRM shutdown | Dec 31 12:15 |
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| schestowitz | *LOL* | Dec 31 12:24 |
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| schestowitz | Happy Zew Year | Dec 31 12:24 |
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| trmanco | LOL | Dec 31 12:30 |
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| MinceR | j0 | Dec 31 13:23 |
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| schestowitz | I probably have some typos here: http://boycottnovell.com/2008/12/31/i... | Dec 31 13:37 |
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| trmanco | schestowitz, nop, no typos | Dec 31 15:38 |
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| schestowitz | Thanks. I have a good one coming up | Dec 31 15:41 |
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| schestowitz | Antitrust | Dec 31 15:41 |
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| trmanco | ok | Dec 31 15:44 |
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| trmanco | people are trying to push go.oo to ubuntu | Dec 31 15:44 |
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| trmanco | https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubunt... | Dec 31 15:45 |
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| trmanco | well, it already is in Ubuntu | Dec 31 15:46 |
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| trmanco | sort of | Dec 31 15:46 |
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| schestowitz | Sort of? | Dec 31 16:00 |
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| trmanco | yes | Dec 31 16:06 |
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| trmanco | it disguised in Ubuntu with Sun branding I think | Dec 31 16:06 |
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| trmanco | it's | Dec 31 16:06 |
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| schestowitz | Who is John Moser? | Dec 31 16:08 |
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| schestowitz | I'm writing about this now. | Dec 31 16:09 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=mozclie... | Dec 31 16:09 |
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| trmanco | it might just be some user | Dec 31 16:12 |
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| trmanco | 14 million euros for microsoft just in portugal: http://blog.softwarelivre.sapo.pt/2008/12/... | Dec 31 16:29 |
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| schestowitz | What is the gist? | Dec 31 16:29 |
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| trmanco | gist? | Dec 31 16:29 |
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| schestowitz | Short story? | Dec 31 16:30 |
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| schestowitz | Some other uni sold out? | Dec 31 16:30 |
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| schestowitz | I haven't used Google Translate yet. | Dec 31 16:30 |
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| trmanco | no0 | Dec 31 16:31 |
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| trmanco | no uni | Dec 31 16:31 |
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| trmanco | that was a couple of months ago | Dec 31 16:31 |
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| trmanco | the AMA was/is sold out | Dec 31 16:31 |
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| trmanco | Modern Administration agency translated I think | Dec 31 16:33 |
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| trmanco | it has a limit for these kind of thing of 75 000 € but the "wasted" 14 million just in Microfoot licensing | Dec 31 16:33 |
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| trmanco | things* | Dec 31 16:33 |
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| trmanco | they* | Dec 31 16:33 |
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| schestowitz | What to do about it..? | Dec 31 16:34 |
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| schestowitz | Is there evidence of misconduct like kackbacks? | Dec 31 16:34 |
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| schestowitz | or BillG 'visiting' Portugal for some *ahem* handshakes? | Dec 31 16:34 |
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| trmanco | yes billy boy came here some time ago | Dec 31 16:35 |
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| trmanco | and ballmer too IIRC | Dec 31 16:35 |
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| trmanco | nothing better than to email Mr.Rui for more info on this, he knows better about this stuff than I do | Dec 31 16:35 |
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| trmanco | here is the official thingy -> http://www.base.gov.pt/_layouts/ccp/Aju... | Dec 31 16:38 |
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| schestowitz | If there's no dirt, then all we can do is say: "this is tah sucks, waste of money..." | Dec 31 16:39 |
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| schestowitz | But politicians are not good at covering digital tracks | Dec 31 16:40 |
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| schestowitz | Get the names of those involved in both side and do some googling for intersections between them. | Dec 31 16:40 |
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| schestowitz | This give circumstantial evidence. | Dec 31 16:40 |
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| schestowitz | Private firm 'may run' phone log < http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/7805610.stm > | Dec 31 17:07 |
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| schestowitz | "A private company could be asked to run a huge database containing details of all telephone calls, emails and internet use, it has been reported." Yay! Surveillance!! | Dec 31 17:08 |
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| twitter | Ah, good morning. When you said "Jobs health" I thought of the continuing economic collapse http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=2060... | Dec 31 17:13 |
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| twitter | -“The underlying picture is terrible for the labor market,” said Joshua Shapiro, chief U.S. economist at Maria Fiorini Ramirez Inc. in New York. The initial claims figures were “distorted by some sort of breakdown in the seasonal adjustment process, with the holidays.” | Dec 31 17:13 |
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| twitter | In other words, it's worse than they are telling you, again. | Dec 31 17:13 |
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| schestowitz | Duh | Dec 31 17:29 |
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| schestowitz | No, they try to scare you. :-) | Dec 31 17:30 |
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| twitter | Not having had a real job in more than a year, I'm reasonably scared. | Dec 31 17:31 |
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| twitter | My classmates got jobs, and some of the next class. I'm afraid I'm blacklisted and smeared. | Dec 31 17:32 |
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| twitter | The economic meltdown only makes things more difficult. | Dec 31 17:32 |
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| twitter | easier for them, difficult for me. | Dec 31 17:32 |
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| neighborlee | twitter, blacklisted ? | Dec 31 17:34 |
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| neighborlee | maybe its all gods way of telling us to stop dividing ourselves by income, and start acting like real human beings and help each other ;) | Dec 31 17:35 |
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| neighborlee | ya just never know ;) | Dec 31 17:35 |
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| twitter | I know there's a utility blacklist, which kept me from getting a job back in 2002 when I was canned last. It is difficult for me to explain my not getting a job in the last year after graduating from a program where no one in the last 18 years has gone jobless. | Dec 31 17:36 |
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| schestowitz | Socialism? :-) | Dec 31 17:36 |
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| neighborlee | shhoooo not to loud you make wake them ;) | Dec 31 17:36 |
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| schestowitz | Hehe. | Dec 31 17:36 |
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| schestowitz | No, not quite | Dec 31 17:36 |
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| schestowitz | The theory a wise friend explains is to do with regulation | Dec 31 17:36 |
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| twitter | There's little and nothing I can do for others while I can't feed myself. | Dec 31 17:36 |
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| schestowitz | That also relates to that Nader video I showed you the other day | Dec 31 17:37 |
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| twitter | AlexH is an insulting ass, isn't he? http://boycottnovell.com/2008/12/29/sun-resp... | Dec 31 17:37 |
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| schestowitz | They loot and spoil the system (assuming infinite abundance) and then leave the 'little people' to pick up the bill and clean up the mess. | Dec 31 17:37 |
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| twitter | It is hard for me to imagine a job so shitty that people can pull together 4 vacation days to link Christmas and New Years this year. | Dec 31 17:38 |
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| schestowitz | People compromise obs | Dec 31 17:38 |
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| twitter | AlexH shows us that PR is one of those shitty jobs. | Dec 31 17:38 |
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| schestowitz | I know people who worked in computers and finance and now guard schools. | Dec 31 17:39 |
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| schestowitz | [Sheesh. Shane might be an example] | Dec 31 17:39 |
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| schestowitz | But there are more, they just typically keep quiet about it because they are shy | Dec 31 17:39 |
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| twitter | Blacklisted? | Dec 31 17:39 |
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| schestowitz | No | Dec 31 17:39 |
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| schestowitz | Who is/was? | Dec 31 17:39 |
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| twitter | Shane? | Dec 31 17:40 |
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| schestowitz | No. | Dec 31 17:40 |
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| schestowitz | Not as far as I know | Dec 31 17:40 |
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| schestowitz | You can ask him. He wrote about it in October, IIRC | Dec 31 17:40 |
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| twitter | That's the thing about blacklists and smears, you can't tell unless someone blows the whistle | Dec 31 17:40 |
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| twitter | The kind of people who won't hire you, won't tell either. | Dec 31 17:41 |
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| schestowitz | I don't know.. | Dec 31 17:41 |
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| schestowitz | But I think we're talking about crisis time for the ecnomy in general | Dec 31 17:41 |
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| schestowitz | Either way, the number of people lining up for jobs is vast | Dec 31 17:42 |
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| schestowitz | Whereas almost no companies have openings. | Dec 31 17:42 |
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| twitter | Like I said, crisis time makes things easier for powerful people. | Dec 31 17:42 |
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| schestowitz | So likelihoods are always bad. | Dec 31 17:42 |
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| schestowitz | In situations like this, judging by history, radical measures are taken | Dec 31 17:42 |
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| schestowitz | Protetsts/police states/overthrowing of governments/etc | Dec 31 17:43 |
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| schestowitz | The US is a "Failed State", accoding to somer | Dec 31 17:43 |
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| schestowitz | *some | Dec 31 17:43 |
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| schestowitz | But it takes other dependent countries down /with/ it | Dec 31 17:43 |
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| schestowitz | Fair enough, I guess. | Dec 31 17:43 |
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| schestowitz | America lives on steroids (energy it did not really have) | Dec 31 17:43 |
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| twitter | I want justice, not riots. | Dec 31 17:43 |
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| schestowitz | So -- being totoalyl frank about it -- it's morbidly ill now. | Dec 31 17:44 |
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| schestowitz | Justice without riots? | Dec 31 17:44 |
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| twitter | Yes. | Dec 31 17:44 |
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| schestowitz | All change has ALWAYS come from the bottom | Dec 31 17:44 |
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| schestowitz | People who know history will tell you | Dec 31 17:44 |
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| schestowitz | Change never comes from above (comfort) but from those demanding it | Dec 31 17:44 |
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| schestowitz | The secret is in controlling people's mind. | Dec 31 17:44 |
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| schestowitz | *minds | Dec 31 17:45 |
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| twitter | The US already has the laws required, they simply need to be enforced. There's no need to trash everything. | Dec 31 17:45 |
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| schestowitz | It's a challenge to both sides. | Dec 31 17:45 |
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| schestowitz | twitter: | Dec 31 17:45 |
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| schestowitz | No so simple | Dec 31 17:45 |
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| schestowitz | Watch the second and third videos I just posted | Dec 31 17:45 |
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| schestowitz | it's at the top of page 1 | Dec 31 17:45 |
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| schestowitz | The Republicans, as a matter of pracitce, enforce no regulatory rules. | Dec 31 17:45 |
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| schestowitz | That's 'their thing' | Dec 31 17:45 |
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| schestowitz | That assume "Free market" (free to defraud, etc.) is acceptable conduct | Dec 31 17:46 |
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| schestowitz | But now the price is paid | Dec 31 17:46 |
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| schestowitz | For a stupid admin. that sent troops to invade Iraq and spend more than the sum of the bailout.. | Dec 31 17:46 |
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| schestowitz | "...if this is anything like the bug that caused Windows 98 to crash after 49 days when the tick-count exceeded 32-bits :P]" http://www.osnews.com/story/20714/... | Dec 31 18:03 |
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| schestowitz | Sex Offenders In Georgia Required To Hand Over Passwords... To Protect The Children http://techdirt.com/articles/2008123... | Dec 31 18:04 |
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| schestowitz | "It's really amazing what sort of laws are being passed in the name of "protecting the children." The latest is a law in Georgia that requires all sex offenders not only to hand over all of their online usernames and email addresses (which some other states require), but also the passwords to all of their accounts." | Dec 31 18:05 |
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| schestowitz | http://techdirt.com/articles/200812... "Over the past few years, as the newspaper business got in deeper and deeper trouble, we seemed to increasingly hear some particularly clueless suggestions on how newspapers should save themselves -- almost always revolving around some sort of backwards effort to put the genie back in the bottle, such as by all banding together, violating all sorts of anti-trust rules and collu | Dec 31 18:07 |
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| schestowitz | ding to charge for content. " | Dec 31 18:07 |
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| neighborlee | well its a double edge sword I think..parents can help by educating kids, but that doesn't always work ;) | Dec 31 18:13 |
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| neighborlee | kids are smart these days,,they find ways. | Dec 31 18:13 |
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| neighborlee | so other means are, sadly necessary. | Dec 31 18:13 |
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| schestowitz | Kids are brainwashed the most at schools | Dec 31 18:13 |
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| neighborlee | its that , or help offenders kill innocent children , imo anyway. | Dec 31 18:13 |
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| schestowitz | The plot is smarter | Dec 31 18:13 |
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| schestowitz | Keep the parents busy at work | Dec 31 18:13 |
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| neighborlee | yes,there are many issues at play here sadly | Dec 31 18:14 |
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| schestowitz | When they get back exhausted they just sleep, maybe run on some treadmill and get zombified by some telly, which is part of the culture. | Dec 31 18:14 |
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| schestowitz | So the kids are told what the teacher is forced to teach | Dec 31 18:14 |
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| neighborlee | of course yup | Dec 31 18:14 |
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| neighborlee | we had our mom at home for a longtime | Dec 31 18:14 |
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| schestowitz | The teachers in the US (I found out yesterday) are sometimes not allowed to say how old the Grand Conyon is. | Dec 31 18:14 |
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| neighborlee | dad had great job as enginner..no brainer | Dec 31 18:14 |
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| schestowitz | This is INSANE | Dec 31 18:14 |
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| schestowitz | They raise kids to not think for themselves or be told truths. | Dec 31 18:15 |
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| neighborlee | ok,that is JUST weird | Dec 31 18:15 |
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| schestowitz | As for the child offence thing, I missed your reference. | Dec 31 18:15 |
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| schestowitz | It's an appalling thing, but they use it as back door to laws. | Dec 31 18:15 |
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| schestowitz | You can't oppose terrorists or pedophile because then they label you one | Dec 31 18:15 |
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| neighborlee | well its a ugly situation I agree | Dec 31 18:16 |
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| schestowitz | Or call you terrorist sympathiser or whatever | Dec 31 18:16 |
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| neighborlee | people have rights to be rehabiliated | Dec 31 18:16 |
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| schestowitz | The people in MOST need of surveillance are CEOs. | Dec 31 18:16 |
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| neighborlee | but children have rights to be protected from them, until they are ;)( | Dec 31 18:16 |
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| schestowitz | The BIG crimes are White-collar crimes | Dec 31 18:16 |
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| schestowitz | They cause the most damage and can result in suicides,drug addiction, countries going to war, etc | Dec 31 18:16 |
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| schestowitz | neighborlee: yes, but surveillance is no protection | Dec 31 18:17 |
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| schestowitz | To put it differently, as Schneir puts it, having utilities for spying does not always improve security | Dec 31 18:17 |
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| neighborlee | education is of course very important..but often its not enough | Dec 31 18:17 |
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| schestowitz | People can communicate by voice too and given spying, they probably will | Dec 31 18:17 |
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| neighborlee | so until we as a society figure out something else,,I dont know what else can be done | Dec 31 18:18 |
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| schestowitz | Education is a biased thing. | Dec 31 18:18 |
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| neighborlee | but necessary :) | Dec 31 18:18 |
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| neighborlee | its like medical science is only as good as those implemnting it ;) | Dec 31 18:18 |
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| schestowitz | Dogs have more instincts than us homo sapient. | Dec 31 18:18 |
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| neighborlee | and only as good as our research teams ;) | Dec 31 18:18 |
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| schestowitz | The human mind is more complex, so you can raise people to be civil.. or animals. | Dec 31 18:18 |
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| neighborlee | quite | Dec 31 18:19 |
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| schestowitz | You can't make a dig religious... or a shrewd terrorist | Dec 31 18:19 |
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| schestowitz | But you can make a dig more (or less) violent | Dec 31 18:19 |
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| schestowitz | *dog | Dec 31 18:19 |
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| neighborlee | heh | Dec 31 18:19 |
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| schestowitz | Double typo | Dec 31 18:19 |
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| neighborlee | :) | Dec 31 18:19 |
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| neighborlee | I knew what you meant ;) | Dec 31 18:19 |
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| neighborlee | dogs are already religious ;) | Dec 31 18:19 |
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| schestowitz | So education matters a lot | Dec 31 18:20 |
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| neighborlee | they are our best friends ;) | Dec 31 18:20 |
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| schestowitz | Look at how kids in different cultures behave differently. | Dec 31 18:20 |
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| schestowitz | Like.. compare kids in China to ones who are , dunno... | Dec 31 18:20 |
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| neighborlee | the dont judge love us unconditionally..how many humans can do that ;) | Dec 31 18:20 |
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| neighborlee | the/they | Dec 31 18:20 |
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| schestowitz | Anything I say here might seem racist ... | Dec 31 18:20 |
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| neighborlee | na its ok..we get it | Dec 31 18:21 |
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| schestowitz | No.. well... | Dec 31 18:21 |
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| schestowitz | With dogs, there's no such issue. | Dec 31 18:21 |
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| neighborlee | there are major differences in culture | Dec 31 18:21 |
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| schestowitz | I don't need to go into this argument | Dec 31 18:21 |
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| schestowitz | But peoeple are raised to assume there is supervision from above... but no monster under the bed. | Dec 31 18:21 |
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| schestowitz | Why assume the existence without proof rather than assume the inextestyence until proof is provided? | Dec 31 18:22 |
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| neighborlee | depends what religion, and what parents we had :)) | Dec 31 18:22 |
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| schestowitz | :-) | Dec 31 18:22 |
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| neighborlee | thankfully mine raised me with some sense | Dec 31 18:22 |
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| schestowitz | Most kids everywhere are taught religion whilst young | Dec 31 18:22 |
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| neighborlee | I was given the choice to do as I willed,,though it harmed none. ;) | Dec 31 18:22 |
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| schestowitz | I can't think of even /ONE/ culture that has no icons. | Dec 31 18:22 |
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| neighborlee | and with the knowledge god loves me..that was about it. | Dec 31 18:22 |
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| schestowitz | Either human or imaginary | Dec 31 18:22 |
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| schestowitz | Or 'spiritual' | Dec 31 18:23 |
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| neighborlee | yup | Dec 31 18:23 |
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| schestowitz | Which is OK, but. | Dec 31 18:23 |
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| schestowitz | The religious entity, because there is no access to it, can be used for propganda | Dec 31 18:23 |
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| schestowitz | Like "going to Iraq to defend Christian values" or blowing yourself up for Allah | Dec 31 18:23 |
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| schestowitz | Not that religious is an issue | Dec 31 18:24 |
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| neighborlee | ah yes you mean the extremeists ;) | Dec 31 18:24 |
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| schestowitz | The biggest atrocities have nothing to do with religion. | Dec 31 18:24 |
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| neighborlee | yeah god loves em too, even if they are slightly on the fringes of humanity ; ) | Dec 31 18:24 |
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| schestowitz | In fact, religion sometimes prevents crime | Dec 31 18:24 |
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| neighborlee | well we hope so ;)( | Dec 31 18:24 |
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| schestowitz | "Do this and God will punush you or you'll go to Hell" | Dec 31 18:24 |
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| neighborlee | yes extremists are busy aren't they ;) | Dec 31 18:25 |
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| schestowitz | But the supposititoon that world astrocities would end had it not been for religion is false. | Dec 31 18:25 |
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| schestowitz | Congo has a huge genocide going on (maybe the term is not correct), but there is an issue there of wealth and resources | Dec 31 18:25 |
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| schestowitz | Lack of water and territory can stir things up | Dec 31 18:25 |
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| neighborlee | people do stupid things,,not cause they are evil..they learn bad habits..and the plot continues adnoseium | Dec 31 18:26 |
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| schestowitz | Extremism is not related to religion | Dec 31 18:26 |
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| schestowitz | It's a justfication | Dec 31 18:26 |
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| schestowitz | It's means to an end. | Dec 31 18:26 |
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| neighborlee | extremeism is a neutral entity,,it has no group collective thought or religion..it is of its own making | Dec 31 18:26 |
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| neighborlee | sadly | Dec 31 18:26 |
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| schestowitz | A person could commit suicide because of anger, but instead pressure self into thinking that it was done _for someone_ | Dec 31 18:26 |
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| schestowitz | Extremism is nothing to do with religion | Dec 31 18:27 |
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| schestowitz | Or... it would have existed without it anyway | Dec 31 18:27 |
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| neighborlee | yup thats what I just said ;) | Dec 31 18:27 |
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| neighborlee | sorry if I didn't convey it well | Dec 31 18:27 |
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| schestowitz | The religious argument is a recruitment tool. | Dec 31 18:27 |
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| schestowitz | Like... "join our church" | Dec 31 18:27 |
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| schestowitz | Or... join the Klub (KKK) | Dec 31 18:27 |
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| schestowitz | Factionism. | Dec 31 18:27 |
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| neighborlee | thankfully not all religious groups are created equal ;) | Dec 31 18:28 |
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| schestowitz | How so? | Dec 31 18:28 |
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| schestowitz | Well, it's an identity thing | Dec 31 18:28 |
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| neighborlee | fred phelps and his crowed really need to get a life for example. | Dec 31 18:28 |
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| schestowitz | Like an umbrella that unites subgroups | Dec 31 18:28 |
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| schestowitz | Fred? | Dec 31 18:28 |
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| neighborlee | yes | Dec 31 18:28 |
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| schestowitz | What's he doing? | Dec 31 18:28 |
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| neighborlee | the homophobe ;) | Dec 31 18:28 |
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| schestowitz | There are some crazies | Dec 31 18:28 |
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| neighborlee | hate mongerer,,yadda ;) | Dec 31 18:28 |
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| schestowitz | Like a group that said "thank God for 9/11" | Dec 31 18:28 |
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| neighborlee | similar yes | Dec 31 18:29 |
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| schestowitz | It's like 100 people, 7 of which from the same familyu | Dec 31 18:29 |
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| schestowitz | Maybe you know their names. | Dec 31 18:29 |
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| schestowitz | *7>70 | Dec 31 18:29 |
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| neighborlee | the pretend to be 'of god', yet they speak only of hate and discontent for their fellow man,,, | Dec 31 18:29 |
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| neighborlee | they | Dec 31 18:29 |
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| schestowitz | Attention seeking maybe. | Dec 31 18:29 |
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| neighborlee | of course | Dec 31 18:29 |
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| schestowitz | Counter productive | Dec 31 18:29 |
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| schestowitz | .And unethical | Dec 31 18:30 |
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| neighborlee | natural result of the hate ;) | Dec 31 18:30 |
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| neighborlee | always | Dec 31 18:30 |
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| schestowitz | .Unless ethics are death | Dec 31 18:30 |
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| schestowitz | Some think are 'aximally' good | Dec 31 18:30 |
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| schestowitz | Like the most basic things: food, sleep, life | Dec 31 18:30 |
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| schestowitz | You can build up logic from there. | Dec 31 18:30 |
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| schestowitz | So human rights are an extension of this | Dec 31 18:31 |
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| schestowitz | Freedom like speech, software, act, etc. are other extensions | Dec 31 18:31 |
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| neighborlee | they all flow from the same source ;) | Dec 31 18:31 |
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| schestowitz | Because, without them, people a re repressed and denies access to things like rights (a level below) or food, shelter, life. | Dec 31 18:31 |
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| neighborlee | or they are suppose to anyway ;) | Dec 31 18:31 |
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| schestowitz | Then comes the issue of wealth and power | Dec 31 18:32 |
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| schestowitz | That has too little to do with simply requirement | Dec 31 18:32 |
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| schestowitz | *simple | Dec 31 18:32 |
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| schestowitz | Monkeys have no currency | Dec 31 18:32 |
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| neighborlee | yes and abs. power corrupts, absolutely ;) | Dec 31 18:32 |
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| neighborlee | yadda ;) | Dec 31 18:32 |
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| schestowitz | And I never met a chimp with a private plane ;-) | Dec 31 18:32 |
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| neighborlee | at least with some people | Dec 31 18:32 |
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| schestowitz | Maybe except some CEO of a company from Redmond. :-) | Dec 31 18:32 |
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| neighborlee | lol | Dec 31 18:33 |
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| schestowitz | Cheap shot, never mind.. | Dec 31 18:33 |
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| neighborlee | not really cheap | Dec 31 18:33 |
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| schestowitz | Now the ecnomy is collapsing. | Dec 31 18:33 |
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| schestowitz | How's it where you are? | Dec 31 18:33 |
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| neighborlee | a shot yes, but they bring it on themselves. | Dec 31 18:33 |
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| neighborlee | oh.. | Dec 31 18:33 |
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| neighborlee | overall fine. | Dec 31 18:33 |
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| schestowitz | Good | Dec 31 18:33 |
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| neighborlee | many rich people out here | Dec 31 18:33 |
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| neighborlee | imagine that..M$, boeing..yadda ;) | Dec 31 18:34 |
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| schestowitz | So they build fences now.. ? | Dec 31 18:34 |
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| neighborlee | ha | Dec 31 18:34 |
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| schestowitz | For the mob? | Dec 31 18:34 |
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| neighborlee | god knows ;) | Dec 31 18:34 |
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| neighborlee | i'd rather not atm..I have enough oh my plate ;) | Dec 31 18:34 |
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| neighborlee | oh/on | Dec 31 18:34 |
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| schestowitz | Taiwan Asks Powerchip to Resubmit Bailout Proposal < http://www.pcworld.com/article/156207/p... > | Dec 31 18:42 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.schneier.com/blog/archi... | Dec 31 18:44 |
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| trmanco | grr | Dec 31 20:32 |
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| trmanco | motzarella is down, no usenet for now :( | Dec 31 20:32 |
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| neighborlee | I dont even use usenet..I know about it but thats it,,is that c razy ? lol | Dec 31 20:36 |
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| neighborlee | o_0 | Dec 31 20:36 |
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| schestowitz | Bad timing | Dec 31 20:36 |
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| schestowitz | Mark's is down too | Dec 31 20:36 |
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| schestowitz | I'll catch up with followups in the weekend when it's back up. Web-based is a mess for tracking high-activity NGs | Dec 31 20:37 |
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| trmanco | it is back online | Dec 31 20:41 |
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| schestowitz | Many trolls use motzarella, so I'm sure they'll be delighted | Dec 31 20:46 |
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| trmanco | lol | Dec 31 20:49 |
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| trmanco | it was just for a couple of minutes, they probably didn't notice | Dec 31 20:49 |
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| trmanco | http://groups.google.com/group/com... | Dec 31 20:50 |
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| schestowitz | I don't want to view it from Google | Dec 31 20:51 |
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| schestowitz | The trolls are not invisible. ;-) | Dec 31 20:51 |
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| trmanco | what do you mean? | Dec 31 20:53 |
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| trmanco | they are visible, some of them | Dec 31 20:53 |
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| trmanco | there is only one "ghost" | Dec 31 20:54 |
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| schestowitz | Yes, but no killfile | Dec 31 21:03 |
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| schestowitz | It's too k00ky | Dec 31 21:04 |
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| tessier | http://www.fudzilla.com/index.php?option... | Dec 31 22:06 |
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| tessier | WTF? So are there layoffs or aren't there? | Dec 31 22:06 |
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| kentma | Happy new one to all | Dec 31 22:49 |
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| trmanco | happy new year to you too :) | Dec 31 22:53 |
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| trmanco | http://www.groklaw.net/article.ph... | Dec 31 23:24 |
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| kevin_ | did you hear about the massive zune meltdown? | Dec 31 23:30 |
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| MinceR | i did | Dec 31 23:31 |
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| kevin_ | quite funny | Dec 31 23:33 |
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| trmanco | Leaked Windows 7 Beta Includes Free Security Holes: http://www.blogpirate.org/2008/12/31/leak... | Dec 31 23:34 |
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| trmanco | Microfoot has an explanation for the Zune failure | Dec 31 23:35 |
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| kevin_ | we can always go back to 1969... hehe | Dec 31 23:35 |
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| trmanco | http://gizmodo.com/5121822/official-fi... | Dec 31 23:35 |
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| trmanco | http://ml2mst.googlepages.com/nomono.png << LOL | Dec 31 23:38 |
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| MinceR | they always have an explanation | Dec 31 23:43 |
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| MinceR | what they don't have is reliable products | Dec 31 23:43 |
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