| kevin_ | the moue I purchased 5 years ago still works | Jan 01 01:04 |
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| kevin_ | my connection is being lagtastic today | Jan 01 01:08 |
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| twitter | trmanco, the Windows 7 Beta handed out to trusted ANALysts and other partners had security holes too. Windows will always have big gaping holes. | Jan 01 03:15 |
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| twitter | According to FUDzilla, there will be 17% laid off, 15,000 people. | Jan 01 03:17 |
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| twitter | It could not have happened to a more deserving group. People who work for evil always pay the price themselves. | Jan 01 03:18 |
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| twitter | Happy New Year! | Jan 01 03:18 |
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| MinceR | when is it ballmer's time to pay? | Jan 01 03:19 |
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| schestowitz | Hey guys | Jan 01 07:47 |
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| schestowitz | Sorry, I forget to change my status to "away" last night. tessier thanks a lot for the pointer; trmanco too. I'll catch up with COLA now. | Jan 01 07:48 |
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| tessier | Hi | Jan 01 07:48 |
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| tessier | You're welcome. | Jan 01 07:48 |
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| schestowitz | Intel might be next | Jan 01 07:50 |
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| Omar87 | Hi | Jan 01 08:03 |
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| schestowitz | Hi, Omar87. Happy new year (Gregorian?) | Jan 01 08:05 |
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| schestowitz | The UK becomes more of a police state: "The private sector will be asked to manage and run a communications database that will keep track of everyone's calls, emails, texts and internet use under a key option contained in a consultation paper to be published next month by Jacqui Smith, the home secretary." < http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2008/dec/31/... > | Jan 01 08:33 |
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| schestowitz | "I can see the political advantages of doing so - "oh no, *we* didn't lose all your intimate data, blame the company" - but this is stupidity squared." < http://opendotdotdot.blogspot.com/2008/12... > | Jan 01 08:33 |
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| schestowitz | Complicated Web with Enderle sttacking Linux on new year's eve. He does this in Mac sites too < http://daringfireball.net/2003/12/enderle > driving them mad. I remember the days when I was new to scanning news sites and people had to instruct me on the presence of "moles" that must not receive attention, or else they will provoke some more (that's what they want). | Jan 01 08:34 |
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| schestowitz | It's the same with physical newspapers BTW, but I don't explore these. Political buffs know who's with who and who can be trusted. | Jan 01 08:34 |
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| schestowitz | The Future of Compiz In Question < http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?p... > | Jan 01 08:35 |
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| schestowitz | A friend says: "Is Novell betraying the FOSS community or helping us eat Microsoft's lunch? Probably a little bit of both, but with a greater emphasis on the latter, rather than the former. openSUSE is listed as one of the 10 best "open source" products of 2008, along with Intrepid and Fedora 9, due to openSUSE's ability to convert some MS files..." | Jan 01 08:35 |
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| schestowitz | CRN is boosting Novell stuff *smacks forehead* http://www.crn.com/it-channel/212501022... rom that page: "There is some business advantage to consider OpenSUSE instead of Ubuntu or Fedora because of Novell's relationship with Microsoft..." | Jan 01 08:36 |
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| Omar871 | Hi Roy. | Jan 01 08:37 |
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| schestowitz | Hey | Jan 01 08:37 |
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| schestowitz | Where did the old nick go? | Jan 01 08:37 |
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| Omar871 | The old Nick? | Jan 01 08:37 |
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| schestowitz | "<Omar87>" -- seems as though it was dropped | Jan 01 08:38 |
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| Omar871 | schestowitz: I'm not sure. Maybe because I was using the same profile on my other machine. | Jan 01 08:39 |
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| schestowitz | I'll post some links in BN | Jan 01 08:40 |
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| Omar871 | It does seem like a happy start for the new year, though, -_- | Jan 01 08:41 |
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| schestowitz | We had another record month last night | Jan 01 08:42 |
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| schestowitz | BN got a quarter of a million hits yesterday alone. | Jan 01 08:42 |
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| schestowitz | 3 gigbytes. :-) | Jan 01 08:42 |
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| Omar871 | Cool! | Jan 01 08:43 |
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| Omar871 | But, I'm talking about something else, man. | Jan 01 08:43 |
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| schestowitz | What is it then? | Jan 01 08:44 |
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| schestowitz | I think it'll be a horrible year | Jan 01 08:44 |
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| schestowitz | But people are distracted by festivities. | Jan 01 08:44 |
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| schestowitz | Microsoft is set to lay off far more than people speculated on the face of it. | Jan 01 08:44 |
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| Omar871 | People of Gaza are being fried to death right now.. | Jan 01 08:44 |
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| tessier | Hopefully they'll stop launching rockets. | Jan 01 08:46 |
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| schestowitz | tessier: they need to establish a ceasefire for good. | Jan 01 08:47 |
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| schestowitz | The right-wing idiots in Israel don't help | Jan 01 08:47 |
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| Omar871 | Stop launching rocket? Not before Israelis stop frying them with their most lethal, a globally prohibited weapon systems on earth. | Jan 01 08:49 |
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| Omar871 | and* | Jan 01 08:49 |
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| Omar871 | Stop a couple of men from launching simple and tiny fireworks at them, they go and burn the entire city down? Kill the innocent kids and women? How's that fair? | Jan 01 08:51 |
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| schestowitz | I think all those responsible for violating laws need to be brought to trial. | Jan 01 08:51 |
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| schestowitz | The same goes for the US | Jan 01 08:51 |
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| Omar871 | Who are you talk about exactly? | Jan 01 08:51 |
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| schestowitz | Bush and Cheney need to be trailed for crimes against humanity and other offenses.. | Jan 01 08:52 |
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| tessier | Omar871: Israel wasn't frying them two weeks ago. But rockets were falling. | Jan 01 08:52 |
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| schestowitz | Omar871: whoever. Either side. | Jan 01 08:52 |
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| schestowitz | There are rules that are not obeyed | Jan 01 08:52 |
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| schestowitz | Creative Commons flourishing despite rough economy < http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/2008... > | Jan 01 08:53 |
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| Omar871 | Well, Israel is the only country that has never ever obeyed a rule ever since it was established. | Jan 01 08:54 |
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| Omar871 | tessier, and missles were falling whether or not rockets were launched. | Jan 01 08:55 |
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| schestowitz | This reminds me of US capitalism | Jan 01 08:55 |
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| schestowitz | There are rules, but nobody enfroces them | Jan 01 08:55 |
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| schestowitz | Or it's done selectively. | Jan 01 08:55 |
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| schestowitz | Those who enforce the rules only bother with those whom they are not friends with. | Jan 01 08:55 |
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| schestowitz | The US has committed its share of violations too | Jan 01 08:56 |
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| schestowitz | For example, targeted assassinations in South America if the government wasn't a puppet of the US | Jan 01 08:56 |
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| tessier | schestowitz: After spending a year in Vietnam where they have capitalism without democracy I realized that the US does a better job than anyone in enforcing the rules. If you think things are bad here go to somewhere like Vietnam or even Gaza. Corruption and death like you cannot imagine. | Jan 01 08:56 |
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| schestowitz | I see you point, but.. | Jan 01 08:57 |
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| tessier | Omar871: Before last week it had been quite a while before missiles were falling in Gaza. | Jan 01 08:57 |
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| schestowitz | The US stagnates in terms of its ability to enforce trade rules. Watch the SEC and FTC... | Jan 01 08:57 |
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| tessier | But nothing. We can improve but we're still the fattest and the most spoiled in the whole planet. | Jan 01 08:57 |
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| Omar871 | tessier And the same is for the rockets. | Jan 01 08:58 |
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| schestowitz | And then there are obvious violations for which its leader never stood trial. | Jan 01 08:58 |
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| schestowitz | Many sides deserve the blame in each conflict | Jan 01 08:58 |
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| Omar871 | tessier: And can you tell me what's a small rocket compared to an F16? | Jan 01 08:58 |
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| tessier | Omar871: My understanding is that there has been a pretty steady flow of rockets over the last year. | Jan 01 08:58 |
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| schestowitz | But if only the UN or whatever wasn't a toothless tiger | Jan 01 08:58 |
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| tessier | Omar871: Just because they are poor with crappy weapons doesn't mean they can do whatever they want and get sympathy. | Jan 01 08:59 |
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| schestowitz | tessier: I think it's done for a reason. | Jan 01 08:59 |
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| Omar871 | tessier: They were all a response to the endless attacks from Israeli's | Jan 01 08:59 |
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| schestowitz | Being repressed isn't easy, either. | Jan 01 09:00 |
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| tessier | Omar871: What do you think the Israeli's want? | Jan 01 09:00 |
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| schestowitz | Omar871: that's why ceasefire would be best. No casualties. | Jan 01 09:00 |
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| tessier | Omar871: Somehow the vast majority of the world gets along with Israel. But I don't know many people who get along with Hamas. | Jan 01 09:00 |
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| schestowitz | They all need to stop thinking with ego and realise that peaceful coexistence is better. | Jan 01 09:00 |
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| tessier | It is Israel's misfortune to have bad neighbors. | Jan 01 09:00 |
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| Omar871 | tessier: Actually you seem to have no idea what happened. | Jan 01 09:02 |
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| schestowitz | The pres is bised | Jan 01 09:02 |
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| schestowitz | *biased | Jan 01 09:02 |
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| tessier | Omar871: So inform me. Can you give me a url to the most recent Israeli attack prior to the violence of the last week? | Jan 01 09:03 |
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| Omar871 | tessier: the palestinians were living in peace when israelis came and occupied their land, and started killing them massively. | Jan 01 09:03 |
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| schestowitz | It leads to misconceptions through omission mostly (the 'press') | Jan 01 09:03 |
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| tessier | Omar871: Are you referring to the creation of Israel in the first place? | Jan 01 09:03 |
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| tessier | Omar871: Or which land specifically are you referring to? | Jan 01 09:04 |
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| Omar871 | http://clipat.maktoob.com/video.php... | Jan 01 09:04 |
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| Omar871 | Maybe you won't understand what's written in there. | Jan 01 09:04 |
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| tessier | Omar871: You know I am now a minority in my own country right? We used to be almost all white Europeans here. Now greater than 50% of California is latino. They have invaded our land. Yet somehow we exist without war. | Jan 01 09:05 |
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| tessier | uh.. | Jan 01 09:05 |
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| tessier | Yeah. I'm not going to understand a word of that. Sorry. I only speak english and spanish. | Jan 01 09:05 |
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| Omar871 | But you will absolutely have no trouble understanding the pictures in the video. | Jan 01 09:05 |
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| tessier | Video without context? No thanks. | Jan 01 09:05 |
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| schestowitz | As I understand it, Arab Israelis are still therein the split state and more Palestinians arrived much later | Jan 01 09:06 |
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| Omar871 | http://translate.google.jo/trans... | Jan 01 09:07 |
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| Omar871 | Here's the translation | Jan 01 09:07 |
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| tessier | Why do all of these websites sound so nutty talking about lord and god and martyrs? | Jan 01 09:08 |
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| tessier | How about some names, dates, places, events, timelines, etc? | Jan 01 09:08 |
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| tessier | Maybe it's just the translation. | Jan 01 09:08 |
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| tessier | And when faced with a much more powerful enemy would on earth would one provoke them by firing rockets? | Jan 01 09:09 |
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| tessier | s/would/why/ | Jan 01 09:09 |
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| tessier | Sounds like they need fewer martyrs and more diplomats. | Jan 01 09:09 |
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| tessier | I saw the president (or prime minister, I forget) of Palestine on TV and he sounded fairly reasonable. | Jan 01 09:10 |
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| tessier | Then they had some guys wearing masks talking about dying for their cause to the last one. | Jan 01 09:10 |
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| tessier | I know if I were Israel I would much rather deal with the former. | Jan 01 09:10 |
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| tessier | I think the problem is that they can't maintain security within their own country without getting themselves killed. | Jan 01 09:11 |
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| tessier | I bet the president would very much like to talk but his hands are tied by extremists. | Jan 01 09:11 |
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| tessier | Security-wise it is like our situation down in Mexico with the drugs. We would all like the violence there to end. We have had hundreds killed in Tijuana alone in the last year. More than have been killed in the last week of war between Israel and Gaza. | Jan 01 09:12 |
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| tessier | But that war right down the street from me gets no news coverage outside of the immediate area. | Jan 01 09:12 |
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| tessier | And nobody is talking such nuttery as suicide bombers such as in Israel/Gaza. | Jan 01 09:12 |
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| Omar871 | http://english.aljazeera.net/focus/2008/12/2... | Jan 01 09:13 |
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| Omar871 | But, still, you're not making any sense. | Jan 01 09:14 |
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| Omar871 | Did you read the history? | Jan 01 09:15 |
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| Omar871 | Do you know how Israel was established? | Jan 01 09:15 |
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| tessier | 350 people dead is one of the largest massacres in 60 years? We had over 3000 people killed in one morning on September 11, 2001. And the guys who did it love to send their videos to Al Jazeera for air time. | Jan 01 09:15 |
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| tessier | Yes. Although I bet you have a different version of the history. | Jan 01 09:15 |
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| Omar871 | What's your version? | Jan 01 09:16 |
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| tessier | "The Road To 9/11" does a good job of explaining how the whole middle-east was divided up after the Austro-Hungarian empire fell after World War I. | Jan 01 09:16 |
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| tessier | And then talks about the creation of Israel after WWII. | Jan 01 09:16 |
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| tessier | If Israel stopped the invasion immediately would the rocket attacks from Gaza also stop immediately? | Jan 01 09:18 |
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| tessier | "Even some Arab outlets have attempted to equate Palestinian resistance - and homemade rockets - with the might of the Israeli military machine." - Home made rockets that travel 19 kilometers?! That seems rather unlikely. I can't even make a home made rocket here in the US that will fly 19km using purpose-made hobby rocket motors etc. | Jan 01 09:19 |
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| tessier | hah...funny coincidence: My wife was given a gift of some hand lotion and other beauty supplies. We just noticed on the box "Made In Israel" | Jan 01 09:25 |
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| tessier | "At least 19 civilians in Israel have now been killed by rockets fired from Gaza in the past eight years." - Only 19? I'm surprised Israel is that concerned. I also wonder why some sort of Patriot (or similar) anti-missile system cannot be used to ring Gaza with a shield. | Jan 01 09:33 |
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| Omar871 | tessier: That's a big fat lie. | Jan 01 09:36 |
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| tessier | What is? | Jan 01 09:36 |
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| Omar871 | tessier: That 19 isleali's only were killed by rockets in the past 8 years. | Jan 01 09:36 |
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| tessier | More were killed? | Jan 01 09:36 |
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| Omar871 | Yes much more. | Jan 01 09:37 |
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| Omar871 | tessier: Plus, again, you're not making sense. | Jan 01 09:37 |
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| Omar871 | tessier: You're not fair either. | Jan 01 09:37 |
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| tessier | They were all civilians right? As far as I know these rockets do not have targeting systems. They fly at random. | Jan 01 09:37 |
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| Omar871 | tessier: Wrong. | Jan 01 09:37 |
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| tessier | The rockets have guidance? | Jan 01 09:38 |
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| Omar871 | tessier: The F16 have targeting systems, and 100000% of their targets are innocent kids. | Jan 01 09:38 |
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| Omar871 | tessier: No, but "They were all civilians" is wrong. | Jan 01 09:39 |
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| tessier | I am not talking about the F-16's. I know very well that airplane. I am talking about Israeli's killed by Hamas rockets. Israel says 19 people have been killed by rockets in the last 8 years. You say there were more? | Jan 01 09:39 |
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| Omar871 | And I'm not talking about Isreali's killed by Hammas rockets, I'm talking the about the innocent families fried to death right in their homes by the F16. | Jan 01 09:41 |
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| tessier | Why can Hamas launch rockets without guidance at civilian populations in Israel and it's ok but Israel cannot do the same? | Jan 01 09:41 |
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| Omar871 | tessier: And yes, I say they were much more. | Jan 01 09:41 |
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| Omar871 | tessier: Because, when Hammas fire rockets, that's their fair tiny response to the one big huge isreali missile that fried 50 innocent people at once. | Jan 01 09:43 |
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| tessier | Sounds ethically the same to me. Hamas is simply very poor with crude weapons. | Jan 01 09:43 |
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| tessier | Maybe Hamas should build some factories, make some money, and buy their own jets. | Jan 01 09:44 |
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| Omar871 | tessier: And they're fighting back to because Isreal killed their famillies. | Jan 01 09:44 |
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| Omar871 | tessier: That's not possible. | Jan 01 09:44 |
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| tessier | The Israeli's did it. | Jan 01 09:44 |
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| tessier | And if putting up a fight isn't possible maybe they should fight less and talk more. | Jan 01 09:45 |
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| Omar871 | tessier: Because weapons are prohibited from hamas, but all colors, shapes, and types of the world's most lethal and globally prohibited weapons systems, are totally allowed for isreal. | Jan 01 09:45 |
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| Omar871 | Can you tell me how, on earth is that fair? | Jan 01 09:45 |
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| tessier | Omar871: If weapons were really prohibited from Hamas where are those rockets that land in Israel coming from? | Jan 01 09:46 |
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| Omar871 | tessier: They are making them. | Jan 01 09:46 |
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| Omar871 | tessier: Plus, for the tenth time, you're at sounding fair at all. | Jan 01 09:47 |
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| tessier | They are not making their own rockets that can fly 19 kilometers. | Jan 01 09:48 |
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| tessier | They are buying them from China. They are Katyusha rockets. | Jan 01 09:48 |
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| Omar871 | tessier: by your theory Israel is totally, allowed to have those lethal weapon systems, and using them to fry the innocent people, women and children to be precise, and Hamas is not allowed to fight back at all, how's that fair? | Jan 01 09:48 |
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| tessier | The three countries that manufacture Grad-model Katyushas are China, Russia and Bulgaria. | Jan 01 09:48 |
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| tessier | Omar871: Life is not fair. War is not fair. Don't get involved in a war. | Jan 01 09:49 |
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| tessier | Hamas has absolutely the worlds worst diplomats. | Jan 01 09:49 |
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| Omar871 | tessier: Tell Israel to stop the missiles first. | Jan 01 09:50 |
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| tessier | Israel wasn't firing missiles at Gaza the week before last. | Jan 01 09:50 |
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| tessier | If they stop now what will be any different? | Jan 01 09:50 |
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| Omar871 | tessier: And neither was Hamas, if you haven't notices. | Jan 01 09:51 |
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| Omar871 | noticed* | Jan 01 09:51 |
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| tessier | I thought you said many more than 19 people were killed in Israel by Hamas rockets? | Jan 01 09:51 |
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| Omar871 | tessier: Yes. | Jan 01 09:51 |
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| tessier | Hamas has been launching rockets into Israel for years. | Jan 01 09:51 |
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| tessier | And Israel was not flying F-16's over Gaza. | Jan 01 09:51 |
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| tessier | Until last week. | Jan 01 09:51 |
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| Omar871 | tessier: Not true. | Jan 01 09:51 |
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| tessier | You pick on someone long enough and even the most patient man will get tired of it. | Jan 01 09:52 |
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| tessier | Omar871: There have been F-16 attacks in Gaza before last week? | Jan 01 09:52 |
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| Omar871 | tessier: No, and neither was there any rockets launched at Isreal. | Jan 01 09:52 |
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| tessier | I'm confused. | Jan 01 09:52 |
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| tessier | You said far more than 19 Israeli's were killed by Hamas rockets in the last 8 years. Now you say there were no rockets. I'm confused. | Jan 01 09:53 |
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| Omar871 | I'm not talking about the past 8 years. | Jan 01 09:53 |
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| Omar871 | I'm talking about the past month. | Jan 01 09:53 |
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| Omar871 | Plus, 8 ago isn't when Isreal was established, and it isn't when all this war has begun. | Jan 01 09:55 |
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| tessier | So Hamas launched unguided Katyusha rockets at Israel for at least 7 years and 11 months but none in the last month and killed many more than 19 Israeli's. | Jan 01 09:55 |
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| tessier | I know. I say 8 only because the statistic I am aware of says 19 killed in the last 8 years. I know it has gone on far longer than that. | Jan 01 09:55 |
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| tessier | So you are saying that Hamas has been a good neighbor for the last month and despite everything that has happened before Israel has no legitimate reason for attacking Gaza. Correct? | Jan 01 09:56 |
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| tessier | Just trying to understand what you are saying. | Jan 01 09:56 |
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| schestowitz | A fair question to ask is, what led to the rockets in the first place. | Jan 01 09:56 |
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| Omar871 | Well, the static you have is not a holy book, it's a big fat liy. | Jan 01 09:56 |
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| schestowitz | The frustration comes from sieges too. | Jan 01 09:56 |
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| Omar871 | schestowitz: The frustration came from the massecres of Sabra and Shateila. | Jan 01 09:57 |
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| tessier | schestowitz: And the sieges came from suicide bombers making their way into Israel and the suicide bombers were motivated by something else Israel did and it's forever an endless tit for tat. | Jan 01 09:57 |
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| schestowitz | This is why diplomacy is needed. | Jan 01 09:57 |
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| tessier | schestowitz: Exactly. | Jan 01 09:57 |
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| tessier | Someone has got to end it. | Jan 01 09:57 |
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| schestowitz | Yes | Jan 01 09:57 |
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| schestowitz | Yes to both | Jan 01 09:57 |
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| tessier | I will praise highly whoever decide to stop shooting first instead of justifying another round of violence. | Jan 01 09:57 |
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| tessier | Be it Hamas or Israel. | Jan 01 09:57 |
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| schestowitz | Aye | Jan 01 09:57 |
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| tessier | And with that pleasant universal agreement among us all I must now get to bed. | Jan 01 09:58 |
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| tessier | Thanks for the interesting chat. I really like hearing your point of view, Omar871. Goodnight! :) | Jan 01 09:58 |
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| Omar871 | tessier: first tell Israel to get rid of their lethal weapon systems, and then come talking about diplomacy. | Jan 01 09:58 |
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| Omar871 | tessier: No problem. :) | Jan 01 09:58 |
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| schestowitz | Yup | Jan 01 09:58 |
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| schestowitz | No nukes | Jan 01 09:58 |
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| schestowitz | Same with the US | Jan 01 09:59 |
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| Omar871 | Exactly. | Jan 01 09:59 |
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| schestowitz | Otherwise it's hypocrisy that jepardizes the world | Jan 01 09:59 |
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| schestowitz | I worry a lot more about nukes than some missiles | Jan 01 09:59 |
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| Omar871 | Yeah, that's true. | Jan 01 09:59 |
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| schestowitz | Less war, more agreements | Jan 01 10:00 |
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| schestowitz | Cold wars also. | Jan 01 10:01 |
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| Omar871 | Umm, yeah. | Jan 01 10:01 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.pcworld.com/article/156245... http://www.pcworld.com/article/156240/microsoft_... :-) Read the first one. | Jan 01 10:02 |
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| Omar871 | OH! I 4got to tell you. | Jan 01 10:04 |
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| schestowitz | You got Zune??" ;-) | Jan 01 10:04 |
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| Omar871 | Next tuesday, we'll be holding a Linux Installation Festival at my you Uni. | Jan 01 10:04 |
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| schestowitz | Excellent. | Jan 01 10:04 |
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| schestowitz | LUG? | Jan 01 10:04 |
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| Omar871 | A LIF. | Jan 01 10:05 |
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| Omar871 | Linux Installation Festival. | Jan 01 10:05 |
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| schestowitz | Which distros? | Jan 01 10:05 |
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| Omar871 | I'm not sure yet. | Jan 01 10:05 |
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| schestowitz | I quite like some distros that I see. | Jan 01 10:05 |
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| schestowitz | Parsix looks nice. | Jan 01 10:05 |
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| schestowitz | I have accumulated many articles about it. | Jan 01 10:05 |
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| Omar871 | Of course, there'll be Fedora, Ubuntu, and couple more. | Jan 01 10:06 |
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| schestowitz | It's Debian or Ubuntu based (maybe they changed) | Jan 01 10:06 |
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| Omar871 | Parsix is good, yeah. | Jan 01 10:06 |
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| schestowitz | I assume localisation is needed. | Jan 01 10:06 |
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| Omar871 | Localisation? | Jan 01 10:06 |
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| schestowitz | Though I never used anything but English | Jan 01 10:07 |
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| Omar871 | Oh, you mean Arabic Language? | Jan 01 10:07 |
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| schestowitz | or *languages | Jan 01 10:07 |
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| schestowitz | I can't quite tell the difference between the tongues | Jan 01 10:08 |
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| Omar871 | Oh, yeah, speaking of Languages, there's also a brand new distro based on Fedora, that was release a couple of weeks ago. | Jan 01 10:08 |
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| Omar871 | It's called Ojouba (meaning: Miracle). | Jan 01 10:09 |
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| schestowitz | Omega? | Jan 01 10:09 |
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| schestowitz | Oh | Jan 01 10:09 |
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| schestowitz | Maybe not on DistroWatch | Jan 01 10:09 |
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| Omar871 | No, not yet. | Jan 01 10:09 |
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| Omar871 | It was made by a man who lives in Zarqa, Jordan. | Jan 01 10:10 |
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| Omar871 | Lol, he once gave an Alpha version of it, to try it out and give him my feed back. | Jan 01 10:10 |
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| Omar871 | Too bad my HDD got screwed up a couple of days after, and I couldn't use it. | Jan 01 10:11 |
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| schestowitz | Was it made with the spinner? | Jan 01 10:12 |
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| Omar871 | spinner? | Jan 01 10:12 |
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| schestowitz | Many people can create it this way | Jan 01 10:12 |
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| schestowitz | Yes, also USB keys | Jan 01 10:12 |
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| Omar871 | What's a spinner? | Jan 01 10:12 |
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| schestowitz | I wonder if the MAFIAA collects "you're a third" tax on USB drives | Jan 01 10:13 |
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| schestowitz | Let me get a link | Jan 01 10:13 |
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| Omar871 | sure. | Jan 01 10:13 |
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| schestowitz | Hehe. | Jan 01 10:14 |
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| schestowitz | Check top result: http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=mozclient&... | Jan 01 10:14 |
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| schestowitz | http://spins.fedoraproject.org/ | Jan 01 10:17 |
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| schestowitz | Feelin' right at home at FB :-) http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/195/105... | Jan 01 10:20 |
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| schestowitz | Security experts work out how to hack banks < http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/196... > | Jan 01 10:21 |
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| schestowitz | AMD lays off 100 more < http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/ne... > Abu Dhabi has some shares, IIRC. | Jan 01 10:23 |
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| schestowitz | Microsoft's Latest Global Problem < http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2008... > | Jan 01 10:54 |
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| schestowitz | The cute one is apparently leaving Google.. http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/... Earthquakes start: http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2008/1... | Jan 01 10:54 |
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| Omar871 | schestowitz: I'm having a feeling that Europe is more FOSS supportive than the US, what do you think? | Jan 01 11:26 |
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| schestowitz | Of course. | Jan 01 11:33 |
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| schestowitz | US is /very/ bad when it comes to FOSS, for a fact confirmed by polls and some research for trustworthy sources. The UK is the exception in Europe; it's very, very supportive of the white-collars criminals. | Jan 01 11:33 |
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| schestowitz | *collar | Jan 01 11:34 |
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| Omar871 | white-collar? | Jan 01 11:34 |
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| schestowitz | The biggest criminals wear suits | Jan 01 11:34 |
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| schestowitz | The UK supports some of them. | Jan 01 11:34 |
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| Omar871 | You, mean the UK is the worst country when it comes to supporting FOSS? | Jan 01 11:35 |
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| schestowitz | That too, but there are other issues. I don't want to go under the radar of 'dissidence' hunters ;-) | Jan 01 11:36 |
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| Omar871 | :) | Jan 01 11:37 |
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| schestowitz | My new year's resolution is 3520x1200 | Jan 01 11:43 |
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| trmanco | :o | Jan 01 11:43 |
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| schestowitz | Last year's was better | Jan 01 11:43 |
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| schestowitz | 3840x1440 | Jan 01 11:44 |
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| schestowitz | Looking at my log for the past 3 hours, I find: | Jan 01 11:46 |
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| schestowitz | microsoft layoffs1523.8 % | Jan 01 11:46 |
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| schestowitz | microsoft69.5 % | Jan 01 11:46 |
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| schestowitz | microsoft layoff46.3 % | Jan 01 11:46 |
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| schestowitz | microsoft layoffs 200834.7 % | Jan 01 11:46 |
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| schestowitz | boycottnovell23.1 % | Jan 01 11:46 |
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| schestowitz | boycott novell23.1 % | Jan 01 11:46 |
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| schestowitz | novell23.1 % | Jan 01 11:46 |
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| schestowitz | free download window vista-7 software11.5 % | Jan 01 11:46 |
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| schestowitz | opensuse turn off firewall selinux11.5 % | Jan 01 11:46 |
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| schestowitz | opensuse 11.1 reviews11.5 % | Jan 01 11:46 |
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| schestowitz | =============== | Jan 01 11:46 |
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| schestowitz | That's search referrals. In just 3 hours. | Jan 01 11:46 |
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| trmanco | *LOL* -> free download window vista-7 software 1 1.5 % | Jan 01 11:48 |
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| schestowitz | "Vista 7" | Jan 01 11:49 |
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| schestowitz | They start to get it. ;-) Freudian slip? | Jan 01 11:49 |
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| schestowitz | Microsoft plague threatens 30GB Zune extinction < http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/1... > | Jan 01 11:54 |
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| schestowitz | "Some have also experienced the sudden Zune death with 80GB models." | Jan 01 11:55 |
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| schestowitz | "At noon Pacific time on December 31, Microsoft tossed us the same statement it tossed Ars. Still no solution to speak of." | Jan 01 11:55 |
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| schestowitz | Bricking of Zunes... Microsoft is ruining itself. | Jan 01 11:56 |
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| schestowitz | Future issues: Is Google's culture grab unstoppable? < http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/12/31/c... > | Jan 01 11:56 |
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| trmanco | I love Windows. I really, really do. (Yeah, right): http://theflamingbanker.blogspot.... | Jan 01 12:07 |
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| schestowitz | Whose fault is it? | Jan 01 12:09 |
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| trmanco | Windows I guess | Jan 01 12:10 |
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| trmanco | DLL problem | Jan 01 12:10 |
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| schestowitz | Rage Against the Zune (watch photo): http://blog.seattlepi.nwsource.com/micro... | Jan 01 12:11 |
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| schestowitz | These Microsoft lackeys fail to get across the real story: http://blog.seattlepi.nwsource.com/micr... | Jan 01 12:12 |
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| schestowitz | The real story is about Microsoft putting in prison people whom it knew and implicitly ENDORSED for a long time. http://boycottnovell.com/2009/01/0... | Jan 01 12:12 |
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| trmanco | yeah, nice photo | Jan 01 12:12 |
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| schestowitz | They are going extinct these Zune... maybe the last nail of their coffin... see links in COLA. | Jan 01 12:13 |
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| trmanco | yep, already saw them | Jan 01 12:16 |
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| schestowitz | http://lwn.net/Articles/311670/ | Jan 01 12:17 |
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| schestowitz | Wow!! http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_sto... | Jan 01 12:25 |
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| schestowitz | The story: | Jan 01 12:25 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.linuxtoday.com/new... | Jan 01 12:25 |
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| schestowitz | Steve Stites: http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_stor... "Richard Stallman's ideas on Free Software are grounded in academic freedom. I think that his ideas are well thought out and I agree with them." | Jan 01 12:29 |
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| schestowitz | bbl | Jan 01 12:57 |
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| MinceR | how are you gentlemen !! | Jan 01 14:04 |
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| Omar871 | We're fine, how are you | Jan 01 14:09 |
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| Omar871 | ? | Jan 01 14:09 |
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| MinceR | me too | Jan 01 14:11 |
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| schestowitz | Gentlemen, eh? | Jan 01 15:52 |
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| schestowitz | BN has some females too. | Jan 01 15:52 |
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| schestowitz | Thanks to feedback from reader: "I just cleaned up the text, do you want it verified from the source, what is the source doc ? If I understand correctly and in relation to MS getting Sony to finance and IBM to do the actual work on the XBOX processor, a brief quote from billg re getting IBMed would have done and a link to the whole doc .." | Jan 01 16:06 |
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| schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/2009/01/01/microsoft-... (I merged the texts to avoid typos) | Jan 01 16:06 |
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| schestowitz | This reader that I quote there and attribute says: "Boycottnovell is too focused on the Microsoft/Novell partnership. We need to broaden it out and attract a bigger readership. So how about it .. this could be as big as Groklaw ? A combination Wiki and Blog ?? GL is more of a legal site, I'm talking about a tech-business related site .." | Jan 01 16:09 |
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| schestowitz | He thinks I should also quick COLA, which would harm advocacy and research by people.. :-( "It would also be a good time to stop posting to COLA and publish this new blog semi-anonymously .." | Jan 01 16:09 |
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| schestowitz | Another reader writes: '"I was asked for 2009 expectations, and I mentioned that Microsoft might file for Chapter 11 in 2009. If those 15k layoffs do come up, it will be interesting how many people start wondering €«hmms... better sell my shares€»... :) "" | Jan 01 16:10 |
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| schestowitz | Barron's won't tell them. NBC won't tell them. Rob Enderle won't tell us. ;-) Neither will Gar$tner. Remember how SCO went down? Enron? | Jan 01 16:10 |
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| schestowitz | http://techdirt.com/articles/20081230/... (How Is It Cyberbullying When Students Are Exposing Teacher Abuses?) I started reading this site 2 months ago and I enjoy it very much. It covers important issues. Mass Failure Of 30GB Zunes Shows That At Least A Few People Actually Own Zunes < http://techdirt.com/articles/20081231... > | Jan 01 16:17 |
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| schestowitz | A part of Microsoft is already dying: http://www.techflash.com/microsoft/Endangere... | Jan 01 16:24 |
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| schestowitz | garyedwards : http://www.zdnet.co.uk/talkback/0,1000001161... Why does he comment on a 2007 article?????? | Jan 01 16:35 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.microsoft-watch.com/content/corpor... OMG, is "Mary Jo" really Mary Jo Foley?? | Jan 01 16:48 |
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| schestowitz | Did she say "Really, go suck on a razor blade and get over it."??? | Jan 01 16:48 |
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| trmanco | http://img243.imageshack.us/img243/... | Jan 01 17:07 |
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| trmanco | another MS bug? | Jan 01 17:07 |
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| schestowitz | Ewww.. Windows is ugly. | Jan 01 17:08 |
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| schestowitz | And buggy too. | Jan 01 17:08 |
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| schestowitz | Like progress bars that go past 100% | Jan 01 17:09 |
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| schestowitz | Or Zunes that die on a pseudo-leap year.. | Jan 01 17:09 |
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| trmanco | lol | Jan 01 17:09 |
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| trmanco | microlife | Jan 01 17:09 |
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| schestowitz | .Microfle^H^H^H^H0x00DF | Jan 01 17:13 |
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| kevin_ | heh... i saw people saying that you shouldn't be allowed to get a windows refund because you can't get an engine refund when you buy a car | Jan 01 17:15 |
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| trmanco | it is not the same thing | Jan 01 17:16 |
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| kevin_ | correct. when i buy a car, i can take the engine out and hand it to you | Jan 01 17:16 |
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| kevin_ | there was a blog where someone talked about their experiences getting refunds though. it was an interesting read | Jan 01 17:17 |
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| kevin_ | http://www.linux.com/arti... | Jan 01 17:18 |
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| schestowitz | Windows is not an engine. It's more like an exhaust pipe | Jan 01 17:18 |
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| neighborlee | rofl | Jan 01 17:19 |
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| neighborlee | good one there roy ;) | Jan 01 17:19 |
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| divinebovine | oh hi | Jan 01 17:28 |
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| neighborlee | hi there | Jan 01 17:28 |
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| divinebovine | hehe didnt know this chan existed | Jan 01 17:28 |
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| divinebovine | neighborlee: i thought what you said made a lot of sense | Jan 01 17:28 |
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| neighborlee | divinebovine: well kewl now you do ;)hehe | Jan 01 17:28 |
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| neighborlee | divinebovine: ??? | Jan 01 17:28 |
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| neighborlee | oh wait..you mean #blender ? | Jan 01 17:28 |
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| divinebovine | yeah | Jan 01 17:28 |
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| neighborlee | ahhhhhhhhh | Jan 01 17:28 |
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| neighborlee | well,,thank you for your support..for a moment I thought i'd get heckled HUGE,but things were ok I guess ;) | Jan 01 17:29 |
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| neighborlee | someone asked for my opinion afterall, so I gave it ;) | Jan 01 17:29 |
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| divinebovine | i'm always amazed at how seemingly smart peple can think in such confused ways | Jan 01 17:29 |
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| neighborlee | divinebovine: but I didnt want to digress any longer , since ahem its for blender not mono talk :) | Jan 01 17:29 |
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| divinebovine | yeah *nod* :) | Jan 01 17:30 |
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| neighborlee | :) | Jan 01 17:30 |
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| neighborlee | yes true..I think the trouble is many dont realize the mess mono is | Jan 01 17:31 |
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| neighborlee | they trudge along, using it not realizing.. | Jan 01 17:31 |
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| divinebovine | mono is flipping insanity | Jan 01 17:31 |
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| divinebovine | i'm convinced that the dude that started is a troll paid by ms | Jan 01 17:31 |
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| neighborlee | we see that clearly..sadly not enough do yet | Jan 01 17:31 |
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| divinebovine | thats theonly way to explain his behaviour | Jan 01 17:31 |
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| neighborlee | I always suspect as much yes | Jan 01 17:31 |
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| neighborlee | to see it in #blender,,kinda surprised me,,bu hey its not a small channel anymore ;)) | Jan 01 17:32 |
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| divinebovine | this boycott novell has nothing to do with idealism | Jan 01 17:32 |
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| neighborlee | correct | Jan 01 17:32 |
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| neighborlee | its about ob jective journalism | Jan 01 17:32 |
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| divinebovine | i wish it was more clear that it has to do with business strategy | Jan 01 17:32 |
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| divinebovine | ms cannot use their old strategy of extend and extinguish | Jan 01 17:32 |
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| divinebovine | not with open source | Jan 01 17:32 |
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| divinebovine | but they can muddy the watters by infiltrating the community | Jan 01 17:32 |
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| divinebovine | thats the purpose novel and whatsis name serve | Jan 01 17:33 |
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| neighborlee | very correct | Jan 01 17:33 |
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| neighborlee | sadly | Jan 01 17:33 |
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| divinebovine | at one time when i started with linux i thought our biggest problem was money and resources | Jan 01 17:33 |
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| divinebovine | or lack thereof | Jan 01 17:33 |
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| neighborlee | OMG how things have changed ;) | Jan 01 17:34 |
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| divinebovine | then one day someone explained to me that putting money into the debian project would taint it in bad ways | Jan 01 17:34 |
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| divinebovine | tre | Jan 01 17:34 |
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| divinebovine | true even | Jan 01 17:34 |
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| divinebovine | but | Jan 01 17:34 |
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| neighborlee | :) | Jan 01 17:34 |
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| divinebovine | the debian philosophy has turned out to be true | Jan 01 17:34 |
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| divinebovine | and rms was right at the end of all of this | Jan 01 17:34 |
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| neighborlee | yeah taint is a weird word in today world..chicago politics being amoung some of the nastiest examples ;) | Jan 01 17:34 |
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| neighborlee | as of late I mean ;) | Jan 01 17:34 |
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| divinebovine | heh | Jan 01 17:35 |
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| neighborlee | divinebovine: yes and thank god debian ( and fedora of course) , aren't using mono/moonlight ;)) | Jan 01 17:35 |
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| neighborlee | major whew ;) | Jan 01 17:35 |
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| neighborlee | at least fedora doesnt in livecd..dvd is sadly, a entirely different matter. | Jan 01 17:35 |
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| divinebovine | i dropped gnome for a lot of reasons | Jan 01 17:35 |
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| neighborlee | me too | Jan 01 17:35 |
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| divinebovine | but one of them was the continual use of mono | Jan 01 17:35 |
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| divinebovine | its insanity | Jan 01 17:35 |
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| neighborlee | I never thought I would..but its toast for me. | Jan 01 17:35 |
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| neighborlee | yup | Jan 01 17:36 |
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| divinebovine | same here | Jan 01 17:36 |
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| divinebovine | *nod* | Jan 01 17:36 |
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| neighborlee | :(* | Jan 01 17:36 |
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| divinebovine | i've used it for years and years | Jan 01 17:36 |
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| neighborlee | me too...literally | Jan 01 17:36 |
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| divinebovine | luckily qt is fully gpld now and the kde team really understands freedom in the rms/debian sense i think | Jan 01 17:36 |
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| divinebovine | i hope it stays that way | Jan 01 17:36 |
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| neighborlee | I hope so as well | Jan 01 17:37 |
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| *kevin_ has quit ("leaving") | Jan 01 17:39 |
| neighborlee | divinebovine: rms himself says ,,if things like fspot, tomboy are 'that' important/kewl, they should be rewritten in something else..Idoubt many know that ;) | Jan 01 17:42 |
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| neighborlee | divinebovine: it wasn't that long ago really, that he said it either | Jan 01 17:42 |
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| neighborlee | go figure | Jan 01 17:43 |
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| divinebovine | indeed | Jan 01 17:43 |
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| divinebovine | as such, both apps suck the big one | Jan 01 17:43 |
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| divinebovine | especially fspot | Jan 01 17:43 |
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| schestowitz | Hey | Jan 01 17:43 |
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| neighborlee | hi roy | Jan 01 17:43 |
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| neighborlee | happy new years ;)) | Jan 01 17:43 |
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| schestowitz | I was distracted by some Zune post I'm doing. | Jan 01 17:44 |
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| neighborlee | ahhhh imagine that ;) | Jan 01 17:44 |
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| neighborlee | what a mess about zune ;))lol | Jan 01 17:44 |
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| neighborlee | I think Microsoft just likes the press LOL | Jan 01 17:44 |
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| *schestowitz catches up | Jan 01 17:44 |
| schestowitz | It's bad press... the Zune | Jan 01 17:45 |
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| neighborlee | divinebovine: they just need alternatives..many dont completely realize that fspot can be replaced by say gthumb and such..and tomboy easily by zim etc. | Jan 01 17:45 |
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| schestowitz | Zune hardly gets much press | Jan 01 17:45 |
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| schestowitz | People will not associate it with bugs and DRM | Jan 01 17:45 |
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| neighborlee | well I meant press in general heh | Jan 01 17:45 |
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| neighborlee | schestowitz: ah ic | Jan 01 17:45 |
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| divinebovine | yup | Jan 01 17:46 |
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| divinebovine | neighborlee: i'll try to visit more often :) | Jan 01 17:46 |
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| divinebovine | glad to see this channel going, its great | Jan 01 17:46 |
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| divinebovine | bbl | Jan 01 17:46 |
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| neighborlee | my friend uses windows 99%, though she is geek friendly linux user too..and she never uses a note taking app... | Jan 01 17:46 |
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| neighborlee | so to me its just 'fluff' to try to penetrate with mono | Jan 01 17:47 |
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| *neighborlee waves | Jan 01 17:47 |
| schestowitz | What's that GNOME quote about Windows toys? | Jan 01 17:48 |
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| neighborlee | dunno never hoid it | Jan 01 17:51 |
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| schestowitz | A quick word about the Zune disaster of December 30th: http://boycottnovell.com/2009/01/01/f... | Jan 01 17:51 |
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| schestowitz | neighborlee: read it quickly (it's short) and let me know if you find something wonky or typos. :-) Ta | Jan 01 17:52 |
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| schestowitz | Now I'll do a quickie about Apple. | Jan 01 17:52 |
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| neighborlee | its fine roy | Jan 01 17:55 |
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| neighborlee | yeah apple totally dominates | Jan 01 17:56 |
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| neighborlee | I dont have one, prob. never will as I only will use ogg,,but hey they do ;) | Jan 01 17:56 |
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| neighborlee | speaking of which I need to buy myself sometime soon , a ogg compat player, get rid of this old mp3 only one ;) | Jan 01 17:57 |
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| neighborlee | gotta run to freinds, watching movie it seems..bbl all take care ;) | Jan 01 17:57 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.internetnews.com/bus-news/article.p... It's not the first ever. Also, the big one has already begun. 15,000 to be laid off. | Jan 01 20:24 |
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| schestowitz | The author of this is always pro-Microsoft. | Jan 01 20:24 |
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| schestowitz | Blech. "For that reason, Rob Enderle, an industry analyst with the Enderle Group, doubts that layoffs have been communicated to employees en masse -- at least, not yet." | Jan 01 20:24 |
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| schestowitz | Yuck!! They talk to Enderle. How sad is that? "Layoffs "wouldn't surprise me," Enderle told InternetNews.com. "But I haven't heard anything about it."" <<<<<<< told InternetNews.com | Jan 01 20:25 |
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| schestowitz | I used to think Intel owned the trademark of Netbook (someone warned me) so I've always said "sub-notebook". It turns out that the netbook Web site is owned by Intel. | Jan 01 20:25 |
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| schestowitz | Barrier brought down: http://www.dedoimedo.com/computers/virtual... | Jan 01 20:30 |
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| schestowitz | HUH?? http://fsfe.org/en/fellows/ciaran/ciaran_s... "A good article-style blog entry can take six hours to write! " | Jan 01 20:35 |
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| trmanco | LOL -> http://bleachbit.blogspot.com/2008/12/bleachbit-0... | Jan 01 20:43 |
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| schestowitz | Slog? "The ZIL code should not avoid write to the slog if the pool have a better throughput?" http://www.eall.com.br/blog/?p=842 | Jan 01 20:58 |
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| trmanco | LOL | Jan 01 20:59 |
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| trmanco | isn't that the stuff that cars get in their engines? | Jan 01 21:00 |
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| schestowitz | Slog = MS "evangelism is WAR" | Jan 01 21:01 |
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| schestowitz | "I just want to say how much Gnome sucks as a desktop environment and I want to brag about KDE as the best Desktop environment that exist, far better than any of the Windows desktops.." http://www.debatepolitics.com/science-... | Jan 01 21:01 |
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| schestowitz | The Tux is GROWING. A penguin population boom at SeaWorld < http://www3.signonsandiego.com/stories/2008/dec/... > | Jan 01 21:01 |
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| schestowitz | Comment: "This must be the only place in San Diego they don't pass out condoms." | Jan 01 21:02 |
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| schestowitz | "This must be the only place in San Diego they don't pass out condoms. Are you kidding these Penguins are from Utah." | Jan 01 21:02 |
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| trmanco | hmm | Jan 01 21:03 |
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| trmanco | GNOME on Fedora ins't bloated that's all | Jan 01 21:04 |
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| trmanco | isn't | Jan 01 21:04 |
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| trmanco | I have FC9 at school and Nautilus does suck.... | Jan 01 21:05 |
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| schestowitz | How to stop OpenSuse’s Christmas Grub Theme < http://tuxtraining.com/2008/12/31/how-t... > WTF? | Jan 01 21:05 |
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| schestowitz | Compared to /what/ does it suck? | Jan 01 21:05 |
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| trmanco | Good thing people have choices in the Linux world | Jan 01 21:06 |
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| trmanco | well, that user said a bunch oh "suck" words against nautilus | Jan 01 21:06 |
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| trmanco | of* | Jan 01 21:06 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.blog.steveklabnik.com/2008/12/31/g... | Jan 01 21:07 |
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| schestowitz | R U next? | Jan 01 21:07 |
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| trmanco | if he saw Ubuntu's nautilus he would't say all that non sense | Jan 01 21:07 |
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| schestowitz | On Fedora: http://larrythefreesoftwareguy.wordp... | Jan 01 21:09 |
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| trmanco | haven't tried 10 yet | Jan 01 21:10 |
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| trmanco | I'll have to configure a squid server and I might choose Fedora or Debian | Jan 01 21:11 |
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| trmanco | at school* | Jan 01 21:11 |
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| schestowitz | I could not help commenting: http://www.workswithu.com/2009/01/01/bes... "I was hoping to find Canonical-specific things here. The 'innovation' comes from peers." | Jan 01 21:12 |
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| trmanco | Canonical may innovate in Jaunty | Jan 01 21:15 |
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| schestowitz | "Some people say I like to beat Microsoft up. Not really. I just dislike bad technology, and Microsoft makes a lot of poor-quality hardware and software. Anyone unfortunate enough to own a 30GB Zune knows exactly what I mean." http://www.pcworld.com/article/156250/z... | Jan 01 21:15 |
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| schestowitz | Jaunty is back in June, not *May* :-) | Jan 01 21:15 |
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| trmanco | what do you mean? | Jan 01 21:16 |
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| schestowitz | Just joking. | Jan 01 21:17 |
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| schestowitz | "(My favorite: "I love Wikipedia because it makes me appear smarter." Not be smarter, just look smarter. Because ultimately isn't that what people really want?)" http://www.pcworld.com/article/156249/wiki... Is ISG taking cheap shots at The Wiki? | Jan 01 21:17 |
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| trmanco | Berry Linux 0.94 Is Based on Fedora 10: http://news.softpedia.com/news/Berry-Linux... | Jan 01 21:18 |
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| trmanco | ok | Jan 01 21:18 |
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| schestowitz | Yes, I know. | Jan 01 21:19 |
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| schestowitz | I hardly see it tested | Jan 01 21:19 |
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| schestowitz | It's Japanese, IIRC | Jan 01 21:19 |
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| schestowitz | Good link, thanks. I'll post some to COLA now... Gentoobayon [sic] has a new release also: http://www.sabayonlinux.org/page... | Jan 01 21:20 |
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| trmanco | Japanese people are smart :-P | Jan 01 21:20 |
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| schestowitz | yes. | Jan 01 21:20 |
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| schestowitz | They have a better system than in the west from what I can gather | Jan 01 21:20 |
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| trmanco | I see some contributing to the kernel with giant patches | Jan 01 21:20 |
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| schestowitz | But the discipline and work culture is good as well. | Jan 01 21:20 |
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| schestowitz | Yes, they do | Jan 01 21:20 |
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| schestowitz | China joins the fray too | Jan 01 21:20 |
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| trmanco | yeah | Jan 01 21:21 |
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| schestowitz | They get translation of Linux (maybe just the comments) | Jan 01 21:21 |
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| schestowitz | Sony uses lots of Linux. | Jan 01 21:21 |
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| schestowitz | Someone has just E-mailed me this: Rumor: Microsoft to lay off 17% of staff on January 15, 2009 < http://arstechnica.com/journals/microsoft.ars/200... > | Jan 01 21:25 |
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| trmanco | 17%, how much is 17%? | Jan 01 21:27 |
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| schestowitz | About 15k | Jan 01 21:29 |
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| trmanco | Employees 89,809 in 105 countries (2008)[8] | Jan 01 21:29 |
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| trmanco | yes | Jan 01 21:29 |
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| trmanco | 15268 to be more precise | Jan 01 21:30 |
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| trmanco | will this effect the trolling department? | Jan 01 21:30 |
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| trmanco | :-p | Jan 01 21:30 |
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| schestowitz | Yes, and subsidiaries too | Jan 01 21:32 |
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| schestowitz | They have already fired in FAST and that erm.... I can't recall the name of that other one.. something with fish | Jan 01 21:33 |
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| trmanco | lol | Jan 01 21:34 |
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| schestowitz | No, not Gary | Jan 01 21:36 |
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| schestowitz | I'm talking about a subsidiary | Jan 01 21:36 |
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| schestowitz | I had a glance at cola via Google Groups earlier (GG) and I saw that the Gary Munchkin has begun fearing your posts... some people at Microsoft must be worried to see a growing army of dissenters. | Jan 01 21:37 |
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| trmanco | oh, you read my mind | Jan 01 21:40 |
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| schestowitz | The trolling in COLA declines (compared to last year). Their capacity is lowered | Jan 01 21:41 |
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| trmanco | I really thought you were referring to a different specie of "fish" | Jan 01 21:41 |
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| schestowitz | In fact, the number of posts in COLA /rose/ this year, which is excellent. | Jan 01 21:41 |
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| schestowitz | 2500 subscribers registered on Google Groups (the numbers are not what you think though) | Jan 01 21:41 |
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| trmanco | maybe a lot more advocates joined COLA this year... | Jan 01 21:42 |
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| trmanco | oops | Jan 01 21:42 |
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| trmanco | last year (2008) | Jan 01 21:42 |
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| schestowitz | Let me check that company's name... http://boycottnovell.com/2008/11/0... | Jan 01 21:43 |
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| schestowitz | Razorfish | Jan 01 21:43 |
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| trmanco | LOL | Jan 01 21:43 |
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| schestowitz | Yup | Jan 01 21:43 |
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| schestowitz | Maybe Razorfish employs flatfish :-) | Jan 01 21:43 |
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| schestowitz | That would explain the anger | Jan 01 21:43 |
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| trmanco | yeah, as I thought, a different specimen | Jan 01 21:43 |
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| trmanco | LOL | Jan 01 21:43 |
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| trmanco | one is flat the other is sharp | Jan 01 21:43 |
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| schestowitz | COLA was worse last year, IIRC | Jan 01 21:44 |
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| schestowitz | There were periods | Jan 01 21:44 |
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| trmanco | what 2008 or 2007? | Jan 01 21:44 |
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| schestowitz | Sometimes they storm the group, esp. around major releases, e.g. VIsta | Jan 01 21:44 |
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| schestowitz | It's said that they have done it all through the years. | Jan 01 21:44 |
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| schestowitz | Like a Slog.. "Mindshare" | Jan 01 21:44 |
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| trmanco | yeah in 2007, too bad I wasn't subed yet | Jan 01 21:44 |
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| schestowitz | It's a fun place if you killfile the drek. | Jan 01 21:44 |
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| trmanco | oh yeah | Jan 01 21:45 |
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| schestowitz | Hours ago: "We shall see. I need COLA for research." friend: "You're kidding, I can't remember the last time I read anything interesting on COLA. If you must post there then di it anonymously, that way when people Google on you they won't get: "Roy Schestowitz: Portrait of a zealot | Herd Watching"" | Jan 01 21:45 |
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| trmanco | I've been reading COLA more seriously last month and I really have to say, that some advocates really have a good sense of humor | Jan 01 21:46 |
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| schestowitz | I find useful things in COLA | Jan 01 21:46 |
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| schestowitz | Me: "It's too late for anonymity, mate." Him: "Yea, but it'll stop flattie and chums polluting Google search" | Jan 01 21:46 |
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| trmanco | *slam dunk* | Jan 01 21:47 |
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| trmanco | brb | Jan 01 21:47 |
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| schestowitz | Just don't entertain the trolls. | Jan 01 21:47 |
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| schestowitz | Filter them if it helps | Jan 01 21:47 |
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| schestowitz | They use an old version: Fiddling with Ubuntu Netbook Remix < http://community.zdnet.co.uk/blog/0,100000... > | Jan 01 22:41 |
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| trmanco | back | Jan 01 22:46 |
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| trmanco | yeah I filter them | Jan 01 22:47 |
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| schestowitz | Trolls are loud. Lurkers are not trolls. | Jan 01 22:48 |
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| schestowitz | Same in BN | Jan 01 22:48 |
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| schestowitz | A reader easily gets the impression that mostly trolls read the site because only disruptors... well, disrupt. | Jan 01 22:49 |
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| trmanco | oh great | Jan 01 22:50 |
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| trmanco | fishy fish doesn't like my formatting style | Jan 01 22:51 |
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| trmanco | it looks too similar to yours, just because of the boxquote thing I use | Jan 01 22:52 |
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| schestowitz | If the Munchkins don't like something, it means it's good | Jan 01 22:53 |
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| schestowitz | If they like something, it means it harms COLA or FOSS | Jan 01 22:53 |
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| schestowitz | If they attack a message, it means it scares Microsoft | Jan 01 22:53 |
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| schestowitz | Like the layoff thing... ODF... OpenOffice.org is one that makes them terrified every time. | Jan 01 22:54 |
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| trmanco | yes | Jan 01 22:55 |
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| trmanco | enough internet for today, cya | Jan 01 23:01 |
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| schestowitz | I still have an hour. | Jan 01 23:04 |
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