--Bill Gates about OLPC
One of our readers has alerted us that there is OLPC material in the Comes vs Microsoft (Iowa antitrust) case. This is important because we already know that Microsoft sabotaged OLPC (along with Intel) and forced it into submission -- with Microsoft leadership and products of course.
[PDF], which is a long internal Microsoft memo about OLPC and string of E-mails from 2005 -- the dawn of OLPC era in the public arena.
“In the E-mails, one finds Martin Taylor, who is known to many as Microsoft's anti-Linux guy.”In the E-mails, one finds Martin Taylor, who is known to many as Microsoft's anti-Linux guy. He is responsible for the Get the Facts campaign, for instance. "I like the proposal [of] giving away the back-up strategy if XP is rejected," says our reader.
Also in the E-mails, one finds Orlando Ayala, who was the head of Microsoft's Anti-Linux Fund, better known as Unlimited Potential. We wrote about it yesterday. Mundie is there too among other familiar faces and so are Rick Rashid and Will Poole, who later left the company to 'occupy' NComputing, where he's likely to do service to his former employer, Microsoft [1, 2, 3, 4] (NComputing competes with OLPC).
Looking at the E-mails, they are clearly funding Media Lab and MIT and discussing that in the conversation. "This could be a very significant investment, with the discussion indicating that it would be somewhere between $10MM and $30MM," they say.
In principle, they could be threatening to decrease funds if some demands are not met, which relates to the kickbacks routine or even what they did in Kenya by allegedly threatening to withdraw funds if OOXML was no accepted. Here, by contrast, they talk about funding of something charitable and the selling of Windows to children.
The PDF is fascinating; They potentially muck about with charitable means, using money to impact technical decisions of a not-for-profit organisation. They even try to introduce confusing language like "Education Open Source" (posturing).
If someone has OCR software that can extract and produce the text of the PDF (should be trivial), that would be splendid. ⬆
When will they finally learn?
Comments
Friend
2009-01-03 16:05:30
Roy Schestowitz
2009-01-03 16:09:54
Friend
2009-01-03 16:30:49
Yikes. We should see how we can "target" the funds for the specific research. There is a way to position this around MSFT willing to possibly give MORE if they do research on stuff that is mutually interesting. It could make sense. I think this is how Samsung structures there deal with Media labs.
-MT
From: Orlando Ayaia Sent: Monday, October 17, 2005 3:59 PM To: Martin Taylor Subject: FW: Recap of our meeting today with Rodrigo and Marcelo
gong backwards!
From: Craig Mundie Sent: Monday, October 17, 2005 3:57 PM To: Orlando Ayala; Will Poole; Tom Phillips; Rick Thompson; Mike Sievert Cc: Craig Fiebig Subject: RE: Recap of our meeting today with Rodrigo and Marcelo
Targeted only at Media Lab. They are increasing investments at MIT overall I think (although our $25M five year deal on eCampus is also coming to an end this year I think). With Media Lab, they want to fund specific research but not put the money into the big general fund...
From: Orlando Ayaia Sent: Monday, October 17, 2005 3:54 PM To: Craig Mundie; Will Poole; Tom Phillips; Rick Thompson; Mike Sievert Cc: Craig Fiebig Subject: RE: Recap of our meeting today with Rodrigo and Marcelo
is the reduction in funding part of a larger strategy to reduce overall that type of investment or targeted specifically to MIT?
From: Craig Mundie Sent: Monday, October 17, 2005 3:51 PM To: Will Poole; Orlando Ayala; Tom Phillips; Rick Thompson; Mike Sievert Cc: Craig Fiebig Subject: RE: Recap of our meeting today with Rodrigo and Marcelo
Rashid has already determined that MSR doesn't want to continue even at their current level of funding for the Media Lab and MIT, but I have gotten them to hold off for a quater so that it didn't disrupt these negotiation. If there is anything with the Media Lab from MSR it will be smaller and more directed I think. Other than that, we would have to find some other organization, either my TCI work, or the products group, that wanted to fund that Media Lab and that is a start-from-scratch analysis.
6/26/2006
Friend
2009-01-03 16:57:06
From: Will Poole Sent: Monday, October 17, 2005 3:15 PM To: Orlando Ayala; Craig Mundie; Tom Phillips; Rick Thompson; Mike Sievert Cc: Craig Fiebig Subject: RE: Recap of our meeting today with Rodrigo and Marcelo
I agree with the structure of the offer and also with Craig'a point below.
I do not think we should put any big funding/donation on the table for media lab as part of this discussion. It is likely OK to give back-channel indication that we'd be open to reviewing their plans in the future. But Rick Rashid should approve whatever messaging we give in this area.
I think we should name our new open source license and romance its creation. "Education Open Source" or something like that. And offer that commercial terms can be established under such an agreement, thus enabling the best of open source and commercial software environments.
Agree we need to manage the billg messaging carefully. Bill is on the road starting either tomorrow or Wed. I recommend getting the mail from him done/sent early.
The biz model subsidization point is expected, and concerns me a lot. Clearly we don't want a world where we're flat footed as Google figures out how to give states or countries $x in hardware subsidy based on the devices being somehow locked to google search. Tom, I recommend you loop someone in MSN into a discussion on this point. Maybe start with Bruce Jaffee.
Will
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From: Orlando Ayaia Sent: Monday, October 17, 2005 3:01 PM To: Craig Mundie; Tom Phillips; Will Poole; Rick Thompson; Mike Sievert Cc: Craig Fiebig Subject: RE: Recap of our meeting today with Rodrigo and Marcelo
Craig.. I assume you finally support the structure of the MS offer as it stands today?
From: Craig Mundie Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2005 9:47 PM To: Tom Phillips; Will Poole; Rick Thompson; Mike Sievert Cc: Orlando Ayaia; Craig Fiebig Subject: RE: Recap of our meeting today with Rodrigo and Marcelo
Remember that a key part of our strategy is to create a situation where even if Nick rejects us for philosophical reasons there is a long and visible history of our attempts to work with them and then we have to ask to get a license for the "open source hardware" and we will make our own offering on the commercial side.
From: Tom Phillips Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2005 8:48 PM To: Will Poole; Craig Mundie; Rick Thompson; Mike Sievert Cc: Orlando Ayaia; Craig Fiebig Subject: RE: Recap of our meeting today with Rodrigo and Marcelo
6/26/2006
Doug
2009-01-03 17:22:49
--- quote --- The Competition
It is both rewarding and scary to look at the current competitive landscape. We can all feel some sense of vindication in the fact that the internet did not cause the immediate death of Office and that so far no one is running Java applets that do the "right 20%" of Office-yet. We can take a moment to gloat, though only a moment as we still have traditional competitors and competition at the LORG level is still there though not as directly ..
We must not lose sight of the fact that our biggest competitor continues to be our existing products and the inertia they have. The cost and pain of upgrading still overwhelms any sense of benefit we seem to be able to communicate to customers ..
http://iowa.gotthefacts.org/011607/9000/PX09637.pdf
Roy Schestowitz
2009-01-03 17:27:46
The threat of JavaScript is still haunting them, but to the rescue they send OOXML, Silver Lie and the misconception that those "20%" Gates is referring to are Not Enough۩.
Friend
2009-01-03 17:33:33
Executive Overview:
On Sunday, October 16th, we meet with Rodrigo Arboleda and Marcelo Claure (Brightstar President and CEO) in Miami to discuss the work with the OLPCA. The Microsoft attendees of this meeting were OrlandoA, CFiebig, and TomPh. In this meeting we sought additional due diligence on the OLPC project and to pilot the proposal to identify issues or areas that need additional work.
The meeting begin with a question by Marcelo on wether Microsoft felt the OLPC project would be successful without its involvement. We approched the question indicating that while the project could certianly be completed, Microsoft involvement could be a significant benifit both in the reach of the project and the by our ability to get more done in a shorter timeframe. Marcelo stated that he was pleased that Microsoft was taking the project seriously, and concurred that working together could be benificial. Another key question for Marcelo was whether Microsoft could coexist in a engineering project with RedHat. We discussed this in the context of working with OEM partners that provide both Windows and Linux products, and Marcelo appeared satisfied with the option that provided both a Windows and Linux offering. What followed was a discussion on the goals of the project, with the conclusion that there is clear goal alignment. The discussion then turned to our proposal, and the area that needed to be optimized to increase its likelihood of success. Overall, it was a very candid session that started and remained positive in tone. The manority of the discussion was on areas of change, which are highlighted below in the Proposal Recommendations and Options for Consideration sections below.
At the conclusion of this meeting, it was again clear that the central issues boils down to the OSS philosophy of Nick. In our meeting with Hector, he insisted that AMD has the capability to shift Nick into a more realistic state ont he Open Source philosophy. The optimism of Hector was not shared by Marcelo. A complecation factor is that the Board Member do not appear to have a deep understanding of Open Source, as evidenced by our discussion with Marcelo. We spent a few minutes on open source and various licensing models, but this was all new to Marcelo. We did get agreement that this is a complex topic, but the counsel of Marcelo is to make this as simple as possible in the discussion as Nick does not do well with details.
Further, as Marcelo confided, and additional complication is the degree of Microsoft bashing that has been a part of the board meeting and the difficulty of Nick change course without appearing to cave and counter his previous statements. With all these factors in mind, we are not advocating a shift in course, but we do want to ensure that everyone on this email is cognizant about the challenges ahead. We will outline below the go forward plan to get the emotion out of this topic, but it remains the single obstacle of getting a agreement in place.
In conclusion, going into the meeting, our confidence level in getting Nick to accept the Microsoft proposal was not high (between a 20-25% likelihood). Leaving the meeting, there were some points for revisions in our approach, but the net confidence level still remains relatively low.
OLPCA & OLPC Updates:
Marcelo was very candid and provided some new details and updates on the project. There were some points that were noteworthly, including the following:
Status of the prototypes and engineering - Marcelo, who is the largest Motorola distributor and does device servicing and manufacturing, feels that the status of the prototype and engineeing is quite good. His statements reflected excellent work between the OLPC and AMD, which sounds probable given the excellent work that we have seen from AMD in projects such as the x86-64 project. There are three companies bidding to do the display work according to Marcelo, and he felt confident that the device engineering was on track. The area where there was concern was in the RedHat development, where he confided that there were concenrs about getting the work completed on the intended timeline.
Current board members and the discussion process - In this meeting, there appear to be a set of three Board members that are aligned on the commercial interests of the work, which are Hector Ruiz, Marcelo Claure, and Tom Meredith (former Dell CFO). In the view of Marcelo, these were also the primary strong business and excecution members on the board, and that Nick is leaning on them heavily as the project progresses for guidance.
OLPCA executive team being recruited - Over the course of the next three weeks, Marcelo indicated that a CEO would be hired, in adddition to other principals to run the business execution side of the project. In the discussion, Marcelo indicated that Nick recognizes that he does not have the business skills to run this project,
6/26/2006
Friend
2009-01-03 17:35:12
freedom 2 people lives !
Roy Schestowitz
2009-01-03 17:39:05
Friend
2009-01-04 09:52:16
and is turning to the business board members discussed above to help recruit the right level of talent to lead this work.
Nick's growing concern over his legacy - While not stating that there were any specific issues in the project, Marcelo indicated that Nick is starting to become concerned. This concern is that his strong promises and commitments that have been made globally are significantly different that today's device status. As Marcelo summarized, if this project fails, Nick will be pegged as the person who led others around the world on a fools errand chasing after $100 laptop wind mills, and not for any of his work with the MIT Media Lab or any other contributions.
New board participation - Marcelo indicated that eBay would likely joint the board over the course of next few weeks, whcih is a good fit with the recent Skype acquisition. According to Marcelo, there will be a second category of membership created to accommodate the new entrants. There where several hardware companies referenced in the discussion that are vying for a role in the project, including Apple, Samsung and LG. Telco partners are also beginning to line up according to Marcelo, including Nortel and others.
Business Model may need subsidization tweaks - To hit the price points, Marcelo was candid that there may need to be subsidies to get the user end point price to where it need to be. While we have anticipated this all along, this is the first time we have hear the statement from anyone working on the project.
Proposal Recommendations : There where some very specific areas where either changes or different focus where cited. In addition, there are some general recommendations that were voiced by both Rodrigo and Marcelo. The first recommendation was to keep the material that we provide to Nick very simple, and make it more visual if possible. Rodrigo's point is that Nick is an architect by training, and we need to keep this in the forefront as we tee up our proposal. A one page summary is the recommendation that they both cited as being necessary. Additionally, they both indicated that we need to insure that as part of the discussion, Nick agrees that the entire board be provided with the proposal for an early December board meeting. The areas of specific focus that we discussed are detailed below.
Open Source - The consensus of Marcelo and Rodrigo is that Open Source is not a negotaible topic for Nick. We pressed on this for a bit with Marcelo, discussing that with the choice of two software solutions, why can we not have differing license model in each? In essense, let the customer vote instead of debating the philosophical elements? While Marcelo appeared ready to accept this as a means of closure, he was not confident that Nick would be willing to accept this approch. The overall recommendation was to be as specific about what we can do in a Microsoft Open Source type model, and to lead the discussion from this prespective. We asked Marcelo and Rodrigo to do a review in next few days of the text and graphics that we develop, and they agree to review the content.
Execution and risk reduction from Microsoft involvement - Marcelo was candid that from an execution and implementation side, he continues to be impressed with the Microsoft results in our business. As such, we need to provide this as a core part of the response. We had a dicussion on whether it was appropriate to at least reference the levels of personnel resources that were being contemplated for this effort, and Marcelo's opinion was that it would be appropriate.
BillG Touch Point - According to Marcelo, Nick feels that Bill does not recognize his contributions and accomplishments. This can be resolved via some very simple communications, such as a simple email or phone call. The overall impact of this was felt by both Marcelo and Rodrigo to be very significant.
Areas for Consideraion : In addition to these three core areas, there were two other areas that Marcelo and Rodrigo referenced as potentially helpful in the proposal, which are as follows:
Microsoft as a Major MIT Media Lab Sponsor - According to Rodrigo, when the .com bubble burst, there was three major lab sponsors who suddenly withdrew significant support. As a result of this change, a planned expansion of the lab with a new building was abruptly halted. Nick has been partially successful in getting this back on track, but still lacks a major sponsor. This could be a very significant investment, with the discussion indicating that it would be somewhere between $10MM and $30MM.
Academic Content - There was recognition in the meeting that one deficiency in the current OLPC project is in the area of content. Marcelo confided that the internal view is that even if it goes out the door with a browser and an electronic reader of some type of textbook content, it would still be such an impact that it does not decrease its significance. That said, he was also candid in stating that much more needs to be done. One way to think about this is more like the xBox model of content, where work is done upfront to insure that at production time there are sufficient titles to make the platform interesting. While not using xBox by name, Marcelo pointed out the proven ability of Microsoft to get developers and content created for its platform.
Next Steps:
There is several items that we need to complete as a result of the meeting, which are summarized below:
Roy Schestowitz
2009-01-04 10:04:40
Shane Coyle
2009-01-05 14:01:11
Roy Schestowitz
2009-01-05 14:13:33
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