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twitterAh ha.  I seem to have remembered the Vista Capable Email and the wrong WSJ reporter.  Reporters from Bloomberg, the WSJ and Information week were massaged prior to Vista's release. 27 01:11
schestowitzI look at the PDF again.Jan 27 01:12
schestowitzI couldn't find any new and conspicuous names in server/receipientJan 27 01:12
schestowitzNone about Mossberg that I could find, either, unless I missed it.Jan 27 01:12
schestowitzI intend to write something gentle about the personal relationship between Walt and BillgJan 27 01:13
schestowitzIf this harms credibility, then it's deservedJan 27 01:13
twitterSure, I was wrong but I stand by my opinion that Mossberg is just as much in M$'s pocket as Rob Guth.  Your insight will be appreciated.  Mossberg has consistently bashed free software and completely missed the boat on investigating M$ wrongdoing.Jan 27 01:14
twitterHis collusion in the name of convenience is an endorsement of corruption.Jan 27 01:15
twitterThe more "reasonable" he makes that endorsement seem, the more evil it is.Jan 27 01:15
schestowitz"missed the boat" or the goat? :-DJan 27 01:18
schestowitzEverybody's a Critic < >Jan 27 01:30
schestowitzAnother Microsoft product folded:  PerformancePoint Server, Microsoft datacenters feel the pinch [...] It looks like Microsoft’s Global Foundation Services (GFS) team is, indeed, among those taking a hit. 27 01:33
schestowitz "Kingman criticizes Harris for both the "tactless" style and seeming lack of substance to his essay. Click below to read the complete response."Jan 27 01:42
schestowitz"The rant has drawn a response from former ZDNet editor Henry Kingman. On our sister site, Linux-Watch, he writes, "Have Linux geeks learned to see penguin-baiting for what it is, and ignore it? I guess I wouldn't be writing this, if they had."" 27 01:42
schestowitzYikes... What do KDE 4.2 and Windows 7 have in common? < >Jan 27 01:47
tessier 27 01:47
schestowitzHe'll anger some KDE folks.. ""In all fairness, Torvalds hasn't tried, to the best of my knowledge, the new KDE 4.2. Still, when all is said and done, to me KDE 4.2, like the Windows 7 ribbon, is change just for the sake of change, not for the sake of making things easier for users. Personally, I'm going to stick with KDE 3.5x and start spending more time with GNOME 2.24. I think you should too."Jan 27 01:48
schestowitztessier: I didn't know "Bob" (Mark) had a siteJan 27 01:48
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-christel-[Global Notice] Hi all, It would appear that we experienced some disturbances earlier this morning -- we're perusing logs currently, but from a first glance it looks like we've fallen victim of a case of 'bored dimwit with more bandwith than sense'. I'm sorry for the inconvenience and hope you have a decent day.Jan 27 06:43
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schestowitztessier: I wrote about the Cingely piece: 27 09:06
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PetoKrausschestowitz: did you read slashdot this morning?Jan 27 09:16
PetoKrausApple patenting single and multi touch gesturesJan 27 09:16
PetoKraus 27 09:16
schestowitzApple can screw itself.Jan 27 09:17
schestowitzHehe. So true. 27 09:17
schestowitz "glynmoody: Apple's touch screen patent - Ridiculous: I was using a touch-screen HP 150 in the mid-1980s - remember, @jackschofield?"Jan 27 09:18
MinceRgeekingsJan 27 09:19
PetoKraushome made ice tea is actually quite a good thingJan 27 09:32
schestowitz3400 fired in TI: 27 09:43
schestowitzTuxMachines still down... my favourite news site.. down for over a dayJan 27 09:52
PetoKrausDDoS? :)Jan 27 09:52
schestowitzNo, hardly possible.Jan 27 09:58
schestowitzWe're cites here < > and also just made the front page of LinuxToday again.Jan 27 09:58
schestowitzMercy dash family denied entry to US < >Jan 27 10:00
schestowitztwitter: I'm doing the Mossberg E-mails text, assuming you haven't had the time.Jan 27 10:04
schestowitzOur traffic rank has just climbed to 2500th on the Web (Netcraft).Jan 27 10:06
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schestowitzOK, I got the full text: 27 11:27
schestowitzLooks very much like Microsoft AstroTurfers attack a post that's too damaging to them: 27 11:30
schestowitzClassic Munchkin line: "Don't get me wrong, I'm extremely Pro Linux and its all I run at home, and at work. I try my best to use it where possible."Jan 27 11:30
schestowitzAnonymous says: "Microsoft will never lose the desktop, I don't understand why they worry."Jan 27 11:31
schestowitzHe has had Microsoft troll issues before in his blog.....Jan 27 11:31
schestowitzKiwi finds US military secrets on 'MP3 player' < >Jan 27 11:40
schestowitzMore Civil Liberties Concerns Over Jailed Korean Blogger < >Jan 27 11:50
schestowitz*LOL* 27 12:06
schestowitzWe're almost in page 1 for search on "Vista 7" in Google.Jan 27 12:09
schestowitzOh, actually we're in page Jan 27 12:09
schestowitzin page 1 after all..Jan 27 12:10
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twitterThanks for getting the Mossberg email.  Yeah, I was busy.Jan 27 14:35
twitterNow now, it's not nice to bash on the noobs like that Ubuntu poster.  I feel rather spoon fed with all the nice compiled free software Debian collects, documents and delivers.Jan 27 14:38
twitterThe M$ poster would involve meat hooks and the other side of the baby, "Windows - Give me more money, data, life and like it, Bitch!"  Strangely, many of the babies would be smiling and ignoring their discomfort.Jan 27 14:41
twitter"PetoKraus: home made ice tea is actually quite a good thing"  Yes it is.  Cheap and has just the right amount of real sugar in it.Jan 27 14:43
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schestowitztwitter: yes, it's Homer was posted that image. I don't like that elitism either. I've had Ubuntu boxes since 4.10Jan 27 15:27
schestowitztwitter: home-base ice tea= no acids and preservativesJan 27 15:28
schestowitz*base->madeJan 27 15:28
schestowitzI occurred to me that a good name for the Linux Foundation is actually The Kernel Foundation, along the lines of Many people think of "Linux" as the whole system.Jan 27 15:29
schestowitz"The University of the People will open its doors in April 2009" 27 15:56
schestowitzAnother open courseware university: 27 15:57
schestowitz"More that 6,000 workers will be made redundant as Philips tries to claw back a loss of $1.9 billion during the last quarter of 2008." < >Jan 27 16:22
schestowitzThe world would be better without this #1 lobbyist for software patents in the EU.Jan 27 16:22
schestowitz"THE DVD rental and Internet streaming outfit Netflix has splashed out and bought $175 million of its own shares." < >Jan 27 16:23
schestowitzMicrosoft bought over $100 billion of its OWN stock in the past 4 years, IIRCJan 27 16:24
schestowitzBravo, Mozilla: 27 16:32
schestowitzSteve Jobs undergoing surgery Monday < >Jan 27 16:33
schestowitz "Since Twitter, unlike email, is a closed system, there's more scope to stamp down on rogue accounts. Stiennon adds: "The first thing that Twitter can and should do is limit Twitter ID creation by requiring a valid email account with verification. Gmail accounts of the should not be allowed.""Jan 27 16:35
schestowitzLaser guns are here: 27 16:37
schestowitz"ING is looking to slash 7,000 full-time jobs in order to save €1.1bn a year by 2010. Just over a third of this will come from paying less salaries, with the rest coming from lower costs for its head office, cutting the cost of its sponsorship of the Renault Formula 1 team and renegotiating IT contracts." < >Jan 27 16:38
schestowitzTwitter's growing pain: spam < >Jan 27 16:41
schestowitzTwitter's growing pain: spam < >Jan 27 16:42
PetoKrausyeah, and the best thing about home-made ice teaJan 27 16:46
PetoKrausis that when you take it out of the freezer at 8.00Jan 27 16:47
PetoKrausit's still perfectly cold at 17.00 when you get back from schoolJan 27 16:47
schestowitzYou can put it outside to be kept cool.Jan 27 16:47
schestowitzSaves energy. :-)Jan 27 16:47
PetoKrausyeah, but i think the point of ice tea is to be ice cold :)Jan 27 16:47
schestowitzIs it not cold enough in Scotland?Jan 27 16:48
PetoKraus8€°CJan 27 16:48
PetoKrausi actually took out my sunglasses yesterday and todayJan 27 16:48
PetoKrausfor bikeJan 27 16:48
PetoKrausoh well, i feel trickedJan 27 16:50
schestowitzHmmmm... did you know that Bill Gates, Steve Jobs and Eric Schmidt were all born in the same year?Jan 27 16:50
PetoKrausAsia has "UK tour" but they are going nowhere near scotlandJan 27 16:50
schestowitz"Asia"?Jan 27 16:51
PetoKrausyeahJan 27 16:52
PetoKraus 27 16:52
schestowitzOh.Jan 27 16:52
schestowitzIt's nor oriental either.Jan 27 16:53
schestowitz*notJan 27 16:53
PetoKrausyeah. UK all the wayJan 27 16:53
schestowitzI heard of them before, but remotely. Many former members..Jan 27 16:54
PetoKrausyeahJan 27 16:54
PetoKrausi've never heard them play, but hey, there's steve howe and carl palmer which i likeJan 27 16:54
PetoKraushmm, looks like i might go to the birmingham gigJan 27 16:56
schestowitzTrain?Jan 27 16:57
PetoKrausi guess plane is cheaperJan 27 16:57
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kentma1Asia, as in the supergroup from the 1980s?Jan 27 17:00
PetoKrausyeahJan 27 17:00
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PetoKrausoriginal reunionJan 27 17:00
kentma1Wow - and I thought prog rock was virtually dead...Jan 27 17:01
PetoKrausit actually isJan 27 17:01
kentma1what - dead, you mean?Jan 27 17:01
PetoKrausjust Jethro Tull, Asia, and Yes happen to have tours this yearJan 27 17:01
PetoKraussince it's 40 years anniversary for all of themJan 27 17:01
PetoKraus(+- a year)Jan 27 17:01
kentma1and queen, of course, 'cept Freddy's not very alive any more.Jan 27 17:01
PetoKrausqueen is not much of prog thoughJan 27 17:01
kentma1Queen?  Last of the prog bands we always thought.Jan 27 17:02
kentma1categories are never cut & dried, though...  and I'm not so bothered to argue about it :-)Jan 27 17:02
PetoKrausyeah :) me neither, i like themJan 27 17:02
kentma1Yes are touring?  mmmmmmmmmmJan 27 17:03
PetoKrausthough i'd say they are more of a "classic rock"Jan 27 17:03
PetoKrausin the states, without Jon thoughJan 27 17:03
PetoKrausJon almost died of astma just before start of the tourJan 27 17:03
PetoKrausthey had to cancel European 2009 tour and moved US 2008 to 2008/2009 dates with some other singerJan 27 17:03
kentma1I was a big queen fan, but also I like Yes and Jethro and ELP and Soft Machine and Caravan and King Crimson and so on.Jan 27 17:03
kentma1Jon Deacon - bass player - ohh, poor b*gger.Jan 27 17:04
PetoKrausi mean Jon Anderson of YesJan 27 17:04
kentma1ah, that jon - nasty business - is he okay now?Jan 27 17:05
PetoKrausstabilisedJan 27 17:05
PetoKrauscan't tourJan 27 17:05
PetoKrausthough the guy who's replacing him is really good. You wouldn't tell.Jan 27 17:06
PetoKraus*tell them apart.Jan 27 17:06
kentma1best of luck to him.  My no1 son will ill for about 5 years constantly with eczema & asthma - I was more or less living in the hospital and doctor's - these things are awful.Jan 27 17:06
kentma1hehe - good!Jan 27 17:06
kentma1I've been trying to start a prog rock revival chez moi, albeit with limited success so far.Jan 27 17:07
schestowitz"01/24/2009 04:40 AM [...] SCO Files Bankruptcy"Jan 27 17:07
schestowitz[Old news] (should be 2007)Jan 27 17:08
kentma1schestowitz: heheJan 27 17:08
PetoKrausbritish rail page is SHITEJan 27 17:10
kentma1err, yesJan 27 17:11
PetoKrausand the train ticket would cost me €£70Jan 27 17:11
kentma1where to?Jan 27 17:11
PetoKrausGlasgow -> birminghamJan 27 17:12
PetoKrausi'm gonna check a busJan 27 17:12
kentma1car hire might be cheaper.Jan 27 17:12
kentma1coach is usually cheapest.  Probably do it by coach for €£30 or so.Jan 27 17:12
PetoKrausno licenseJan 27 17:12
kentma1ahhhJan 27 17:12
PetoKrausyeah, bus will be like €£40Jan 27 17:13
PetoKrausor 24...Jan 27 17:14
kentma1bmi are saying flights from €£21, but you'll need both ways, and you'll have to pay airport charges, and you need to get to/fro the airports.Jan 27 17:14
amarsh04PetoKraus... I thought that Kansas were still going... and Jon Lord from Deep Purple did a show last year with our local orchestraJan 27 17:14
PetoKrauslol, €£22.50Jan 27 17:14
kentma1amarsh04: brilliant"Jan 27 17:15
PetoKrausthat's pricelessJan 27 17:15
kentma1National Express are advertising tickets from €£1...Jan 27 17:15
PetoKrausright. I am convinced nowJan 27 17:15
PetoKraus:)Jan 27 17:15
PetoKrausthe only thing is - it's RIGHT after my easter break from schoolJan 27 17:16
amarsh04our local orchestra also did Led Zeppelin and Pink Floyd tribute shows - they have a double cd of the Pink Floyd tribute outJan 27 17:16
kentma1amarsh04: what orchestra is that?Jan 27 17:16
amarsh04Adelaide symphony orchestra 27 17:16
kentma1ah, I can't really pop round for a listen, then :-)Jan 27 17:18
PetoKrausyeahJan 27 17:18
PetoKrausthere was The Australian Pink Floyd tour last hereJan 27 17:18
PetoKraus*year hereJan 27 17:18
PetoKrausthey were completely sold out AFAIKJan 27 17:18
kentma1Interesting.  I saw Roger Waters with Mrs Mark & kids a couple of years ago in Hyde Park, and it was busy, but hardly packed out... He did Dark Side & The Wall, mostly.  It was excellent.Jan 27 17:19
amarsh04The ASO recently played in Los Angeles and New YorkJan 27 17:19
kentma1Have they ever made the Proms at all?Jan 27 17:20
kentma1We're getting more non-UK orchestras, choirs and conductors in the proms now.Jan 27 17:20
schestowitz ( 390,000 to access child database)Jan 27 17:22
amarsh04not that I know of, kentma1Jan 27 17:27
amarsh04or for a concert featuring the music of Joe Hisaishi for Studio Ghibli: 27 17:28
kentma1amarsh04: maybe next year.Jan 27 17:28
kentma1Some Ghibli films have been on tv here recently.  The kids really like them.Jan 27 17:29
kentma1390,000 people accessing information about children - that's ridiculous.  It must be something like one person for every 10 children.  This is an unbelievable abuse of human rights, privacy and just about anything else I can think of.Jan 27 17:30
amarsh04schestowitz - In there is the incongruent statement: "However, some schools are taking on OSS. Highworth Grammar School, in Ashford, is offering both licensed and open source software to students. "Jan 27 17:31
schestowitzamarsh04: there's moreJan 27 17:32
schestowitz 27 17:32
amarsh04kentma1 - we usually hear the proms concerts on radio a few days after they were heldJan 27 17:32
schestowitzToday: "Instead of awarding long-term contracts to large IT companies they could open up the procurement process to smaller firms using "open source" software. "Jan 27 17:32
trmancoHas anybody seen this crap?Jan 27 17:32
trmanco 27 17:32
schestowitztrmanco: don't feed itJan 27 17:32
schestowitzIt's been rebutted too much, just giving the flamebait attentionJan 27 17:33
kentma1" ... not just to learn Linux but equally Vista and Office 2007 as well " - can you believe that?Jan 27 17:33
trmancoLets send an email to Google an tell them to shut down *all* their Data centers for one day, and let Microsoft pay the losses for that dayJan 27 17:33
trmancomeh, didn't express myself wellJan 27 17:34
schestowitzMaybe we should have  ZDNet lambasted more often for appointing rapid anti-Linux people.. many Microsoft heads there.Jan 27 17:34
amarsh04plenty of ms trolls talking about imdemnification - I thought that's what hp and red hat and others offered for linux, but what ms didn't offer for those using their productsJan 27 17:35
schestowitzTim Bay's wife is leaving Sun.. lambastedJan 27 17:35
schestowitz*BrayJan 27 17:35
schestowitzamarsh04: got any examples?Jan 27 17:36
amarsh04give me a few minutesJan 27 17:36
schestowitzI know Microsoft has internally been talking about this as "talking point". I didn't notice in a surge of such whispers campaign.Jan 27 17:37
PetoKrausOH FUCK THIS honestly! this is unbelievable....Jan 27 17:37
PetoKraus22.4. - asia plays in Birmingham. 24.4. - PJ Harvey plays in edinburgh, and i already have ticketsJan 27 17:37
PetoKrausand GUESS WHATJan 27 17:37
PetoKraus23.4. - PJ Harvey plays IN EXACTLY THE SAME VENUE as Asia in Birmingham!Jan 27 17:38
schestowitzIt seems possible that we have trolls in BN (corporate ones) but Shane doesn't mind.Jan 27 17:40
schestowitzOne guy says: "I disagree strongly with Shane's position that "it doesn't matter whom is behind a post."  For example, suppose I want to do a programming project and I want outside advice on which platform and language to use. "Jan 27 17:41
schestowitz"One person I could ask is a Microsoft MVP.  The other person has a computer science degree, has used many languages, many operating systems and is familiar with data structures and algorithms."Jan 27 17:41
schestowitz"I would attach more credibility to the second person's advice because he probably doesn't have an economic incentive (conflict of interest) to give a particular answer and his advice is more likely to be based on his better experience and knowledge.  It does matter who is giving the advice. "Jan 27 17:41
schestowitz"I also consider it ludicrous that Shane even thinks that it's possible to be a shill or astro-turfer for Free Software.  I appreciate the humour, although it was unintentional. :)""Jan 27 17:41
schestowitz"Actually, I agree with Shane partially in that, if you're discussing established facts and presenting them to make an argument, then the argument should be evaluated based on its merit and not on who made it. However, when it comes to opinions, then it is important to know whose opinion it is.  It helps to evaluate the opinion based on perceived credibility of the source."Jan 27 17:42
schestowitz"Of course, in the "Dan O'Brian" case, his opinions are predictable and I often disagree with them.  It wouldn't matter to me if he spoke anonymously.  In fact, if someone on the Web site wants to comment anonymously (i.e. "Baby in the Bathwater"), they can do that right now."Jan 27 17:42
schestowitzBy the way,  "Baby in the Bathwater" is a Novell employee posting from NovellJan 27 17:43
schestowitzThe Corporocracy queries re: DRM 27 17:47
schestowitzThat's like Iranian referendum on human rights and gay rights..Jan 27 17:47
trmanco 27 17:55
trmancoSee, has I said yesterday: http://development.openoffice.or...Jan 27 17:57
trmanco:-PJan 27 17:57
trmancoAnd so is KDEJan 27 17:59
trmanco 27 17:59
PetoKrausoh wellJan 27 18:00
PetoKrausthey're not gonna fix my bug are theyJan 27 18:00
schestowitzBug them about itJan 27 18:03
amarsh04schestowitz took me a while, was someone posting anonymously: 27 18:04
PetoKraushow can iJan 27 18:04
PetoKrausmore than submitting bug reportJan 27 18:04
schestowitzWrite a patchJan 27 18:05
schestowitzamarsh04: thanks.Jan 27 18:06
schestowitz Biggest hard drive in the world arrives < >Jan 27 18:18
schestowitz Whatever we do the planet is doomed... dooomed! < >  "As tempting as it may be to raise our hands and declare it all a lost cause, Solomon says it is no time to do any such thing. She added "I guess if it's irreversible, to me it seems all the more reason you might want to do something about it"."Jan 27 18:18
schestowitzIn a way, it's good to see that Photoshop runs 'natively' on Linux using Windows APIs it was written for. Technically, the main issue is access to source code, but people just don't realise it. Same applies to Google Earth PICASA~1, which used Direct^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^HX.Jan 27 18:25
schestowitzWhat's wrong with this book cover? No word about GNU/Linux.Jan 27 18:28
schestowitzLatest Pointless Law: Requiring Cameraphones To Click When Taking Photos < >Jan 27 18:30
PetoKrausyeahJan 27 18:30
PetoKrausi've alredy talked about it with my friend who does photographyJan 27 18:30
PetoKrausit'd wreck shitload of photosJan 27 18:30
PetoKrausthough i guess it does not apply to a camera, but stillJan 27 18:31
schestowitzNo brand recognition... they dilute it. Had Ubuntu been gone, other distros would not gain from public recognition earned by UbuntuJan 27 18:31
PetoKrausthere is only a tiny step...Jan 27 18:31
schestowitzI guess it rules out open source camsJan 27 18:31
schestowitzACCESS Linux powers some Sony camsJan 27 18:31
schestowitzMicrosoft also tries the "digital manners" BS that prevents it from working... like a kill switch for camsJan 27 18:32
PetoKrausschestowitz: no it doesn'tJan 27 18:32
PetoKrausit just means you'd have to buy it outside of UKJan 27 18:33
PetoKrausor wherever it isJan 27 18:33
PetoKrausUSJan 27 18:33
schestowitzJapanJan 27 18:33
PetoKrausthe kill switch for cameras is a dreadful thing thoughJan 27 18:33
PetoKrausalso... i'd never buy a camera with GPS moduleJan 27 18:33
ushimitsudoki1japan cell phones always click - we've had that as law here a long time unless i am mistakenJan 27 18:33
schestowitzNew design for KDE Dot (about time!): 27 18:34
schestowitz It looks.. too simple... I don't know, but it could be richerJan 27 18:34
PetoKrausarch already has it in reposJan 27 18:35
schestowitzYou use Arch??Jan 27 18:35
PetoKrausyeahJan 27 18:35
schestowitzBlimey.Jan 27 18:35
PetoKrauswhy?Jan 27 18:35
schestowitzWhat's next? LFS? Gentoo not hard enough?Jan 27 18:35
PetoKraus:) it's actually much easier than GentooJan 27 18:35
PetoKrausand you are warned every time they F**k something upJan 27 18:36
schestowitzMicrosoft IE8 rolls out the astroturf 27 18:37
PetoKrausOOo 3.0.1 is in the repositories as wellJan 27 18:38
PetoKrausthey ARE quite fast at updating.Jan 27 18:38
schestowitzI saw their IRC channel.. about 500 people there.Jan 27 18:38
PetoKraus634Jan 27 18:39
PetoKrausit's the most retarded support channel I've ever seenJan 27 18:39
schestowitzMessage du jour: Facebokk=death: Glasgow Cops pound Facebook to blunt knife crime < >Jan 27 18:40
schestowitzSome days ago the BBC blamed Facebook for a murder.. because of some crazed husband.Jan 27 18:40
PetoKraus"Now BBC's Newsbeat - news for people with an attention span as long as the average 4/4 drum loop"Jan 27 18:41
PetoKrausthat makes it almost-quote-of-the-day!Jan 27 18:41
schestowitzAnother Microsoft Death.. :-)Jan 27 18:42
schestowitzMicrosoft's Equipt kill date remains MIA amid retail carnage:Jan 27 18:42
schestowitz 27 18:42
PetoKraushmm wellJan 27 18:42
PetoKrausit's quite scary thoughJan 27 18:42
PetoKrausas I've got a status "Thinking of the children" for at about 3 days nowJan 27 18:42
PetoKrausi'm waiting till Strathclyde anti-pedo-corps(es) are gonna knock on my doorJan 27 18:43
schestowitzOh noesJan 27 18:47
schestowitzDid you take a picture of some swing at a park?Jan 27 18:47
schestowitzIf so, you might be a pedoJan 27 18:47
schestowitzI love this one: Elderly woman prohibited from photographing empty swimming pool "to prevent paedophilia" < >Jan 27 18:48
schestowitzShe could -- you know -- be a terrorist too. She was preparing to bomb the concrete at the pool with dynamite strapped to her. But with the camera she was "just planning"Jan 27 18:49
PetoKrausAMAZING :DJan 27 18:50
PetoKrauswaitJan 27 18:52
PetoKrauswhat's the difference between techdirt and /. ?Jan 27 18:53
schestowitzthe former is betterJan 27 18:55
schestowitzI love Mike's topicsJan 27 18:55
schestowitzSlashdot is too ads/trolls-orientedJan 27 18:56
schestowitz (Branching for OOo 3.1)Jan 27 19:07
schestowitzWoohoo... AdamW joins Red Hat (one company that actually recruits for a change): 27 19:10
schestowitzIs this Akamai or some similar front end that hides Windows: ?Jan 27 19:13
ushimitsudoki1AdamW is good people. When I blogged about trying mandriva and it not detecting my video card, we exchanged emails and he really tried to help.Jan 27 19:24
schestowitzYes, he mails me too sometimes. Very nice person.Jan 27 19:24
ushimitsudoki1nnJan 27 19:25
trmancowhat does ACK mean?Jan 27 19:28
schestowitzAcknowledges (packet)Jan 27 19:30
schestowitzWe're mentioned here (scraping site): 27 19:32
schestowitz Apocalypse in 2012? Date spawns theories, film < >Jan 27 19:41
schestowitzThrift store MP3 player contains secret military files < >Jan 27 19:50
schestowitzLinux Journal's new editor... still uses some Windows...?  "Ask the Experts: I recently reinstalled Windows on my dual boot system and now Linux no longer boots..." < >Jan 27 19:53
trmancoschestowitz, thanksJan 27 19:58
schestowitzTodd Bishop  has recently devolved into some kind of a Microsoft marketing machine. Realising that Microsoft is slowly dying he seems to be jumping to their rescue. Maybe I'll just dump his RSS feed later this week...Jan 27 20:03
amarsh04this machine still has dual-boot with windows (95OSR2) but most of what I still want to run works in dosemuJan 27 20:16
amarsh04was worth getting linux running on this machine - it turned out that the scsi driver for the dpt scsi controller was non functional from kernel 2.6.23 until I reported the problem and someone on linux-scsi fixed it in under 10 hours and the fix made 27 20:18
amarsh04is really funny trying to find a working w95 driver for a radeon 9200se video card or realtek 8139 ethernet cardJan 27 20:20
amarsh04I like the way that as long as there is working hardware somewhere, generally the linux support will be there tooJan 27 20:21
PetoKrausthere we go, OOo 3.0.1 installed :)Jan 27 20:21
amarsh04I still want to find a gsm sim card reader that works in linuxJan 27 20:21
amarsh04anyone want the weather from here? 32 C at 7am, 44 C max forecastJan 27 20:23
PetoKrausi'd like to get linux-compatible thermometerJan 27 20:25
PetoKrausideally something serial- or usb- basedJan 27 20:25
PetoKrausthough it's hard to findJan 27 20:25
trmancoschestowitz, Did Red Hat layoff anyone?Jan 27 20:25
amarsh04that should be easy, PetoKraus, although you might want a powered ethernet version so you could measure temperatures away from your pc easilyJan 27 20:27
PetoKrausamarsh04: i planned on putting it to a server which runs 24/7Jan 27 20:28
PetoKrausin our hallwayJan 27 20:28
PetoKrausthe temp is dropping in glasgowJan 27 20:28
amarsh04you want more than the cpu and disk temperatures then?Jan 27 20:28
PetoKrausdown to 3€°CJan 27 20:29
PetoKrausamarsh04: i want actually room temperatureJan 27 20:29
amarsh04sounds better than 44 CJan 27 20:29
PetoKrausyes, it doesJan 27 20:29
PetoKraus25€°C is the max i can handleJan 27 20:29
PetoKrausi'm like -15€°C - +25€°C outsideJan 27 20:30
PetoKraus*outdoorsJan 27 20:30
trmanco 27 20:32
schestowitztrmanco: not that I know off Cox moved to IntelJan 27 20:32
schestowitz*ofJan 27 20:32
trmancookJan 27 20:32
trmancosó no layoffs for Red HatJan 27 20:33
schestowitzNo, noneJan 27 20:33
trmancoI just saw a lie posted from a MicrosoftieJan 27 20:33
trmancoBonus: In portugueseJan 27 20:33
PetoKrausyou get extra pointsJan 27 20:33
amarsh04I'll have to shut down the pc today... no airconditioning and the hard disk is reporting 57 CJan 27 20:34
PetoKrausbloody hellJan 27 20:36
amarsh04it's an old samsung 40 GBJan 27 20:38
PetoKrausyeah. Mine is dying as well, i think. Smart is not reporting anything bad (except of 28 failures in 7+k hours of lifetime)Jan 27 20:40
PetoKrausthough from time to time the machine just freezesJan 27 20:40
PetoKrausi'm pretty convinced it's the HDD because of the noise it does, and the way it freezesJan 27 20:41
schestowitzPut it in the oven to shaw.Jan 27 20:47
schestowitz*thaw.Jan 27 20:47
schestowitzHP's crappy netbook:,100000056...Jan 27 20:56
amarsh04I can read the hp forums at work and have seen a lot of disatisfaction over their netbooks and laptopsJan 27 20:57
schestowitzHave you seen this post. This is a travesty.Jan 27 20:58
trmanco 27 20:58
schestowitzMillions of penguins?Jan 27 20:58
schestowitzDollars don't matter.. those datacentres consume a lot of energy overall.Jan 27 20:59
trmancomillions of watts :-PJan 27 20:59
trmancogood for the planet :-PJan 27 20:59
trmancoschestowitz, HP's netbook is "Made for Windows", right?Jan 27 21:00
schestowitzMachines don't save electricityJan 27 21:00
schestowitzThey use itJan 27 21:00
schestowitzJust like dietary nutrition doesn't make you lose fatJan 27 21:00
schestowitztrmanco: some comes with Ballnux, but they are poor.Jan 27 21:00
trmancobut they can use too much electricity depending on what technologies you use (hardware, software) etcJan 27 21:00
trmancoschestowitz, SusAA?Jan 27 21:01
schestowitzHP is not serious. It has problems with Microsoft, but that's where it has its money orgyJan 27 21:01
schestowitzSasFF-Jan 27 21:01
trmancolaughed @ orgyJan 27 21:01
schestowitzLike pigs in mudJan 27 21:02
amarsh04just looking at the post now schestowitzJan 27 21:02
schestowitzThis headline treats ERP like they are breasts (TV reference): 27 21:04
amarsh04j.a. watson's comments... it reeks of just doing something "really quick" and not doing homework on why some things don't work. ie - did he ask on the distros' forums or mailing lists for help?Jan 27 21:10
schestowitzMicrosoft 'open source' lackeys abound....Jan 27 21:11
schestowitzMicrosoft's new pet press on a Microsoft employees' spinoff: 27 21:12
schestowitzMicrosoft's non-open source repo also called "open source" by their fan: 27 21:12
trmancosuccess?Jan 27 21:14
trmancomore like a .NET failureJan 27 21:14
schestowitzDon't say this out loud. Miguel reads BN, he might get offended.Jan 27 21:21
trmancoLOOOLJan 27 21:21
trmancoMicrosoft recommends reinstalling WindowsJan 27 21:21
trmancoI've done a search, but found no English article on thisJan 27 21:22
trmanco 27 21:22
trmanco 27 21:22
schestowitzMiguel's illusions of grandeur are tied to the VoleJan 27 21:23
trmanco 27 21:23
trmanco 27 21:23
schestowitzrestart app, reboot, reinstall (RRR)Jan 27 21:24
trmancoheyJan 27 21:24
trmancoWindows is actually recycling?Jan 27 21:24
trmanco:-PJan 27 21:24
schestowitzNo.Jan 27 21:24
MinceRthey recycle codeJan 27 21:24
schestowitzBSdJan 27 21:24
MinceReven from CP/MJan 27 21:24
schestowitzSteal?Jan 27 21:25
schestowitzhire engineer to rewriteJan 27 21:25
MinceRpretty muchJan 27 21:25
schestowitzno so-called ipJan 27 21:25
MinceRactually they rarely hire engineersJan 27 21:25
trmancoengineer? no way, A 9 year old kid will doJan 27 21:25
schestowitzThey buy themJan 27 21:25
MinceRafaik it happened once, when they hired some guys from DEC to write NTJan 27 21:25
schestowitz 27 21:26
schestowitz 27 21:27
amarsh04I registered on and posted a comment on j.a. watson's hp 2133 articleJan 27 21:35
schestowitz 27 21:41
schestowitzamarsh04: yes, good comments. Watson is one of the good guys. He didn't deliberately break it.Jan 27 21:42
amarsh04yes, I was pleasantly surprised how preston gralla responded to comments on his "2 weeks with ubuntu" postJan 27 21:47
amarsh04I just think that if you have ongoing contact with a distro, it's worth getting a report or few in their bug trackerJan 27 21:49
trmanco 27 21:49
trmanco 27 21:49
schestowitzpreston gralla is better off not fed. Not corrected nor flamed. He's a Windows dinosaur... let those rest.Jan 27 21:50
schestowitztrmanco: it was the same with ODfJan 27 21:51
schestowitzMicrosoft is a group of gangsters... they'll call it a 'mistake' or 'error'Jan 27 21:52
schestowitzI think they did the same to Linux... actually, yet, they did. I also have several posts in BN about Microsoft's systematic manipulation of its search engine backed by the observations from others.Jan 27 21:53
trmancogood thing nobody uses itJan 27 21:54
trmancoLiveJan 27 21:54
schestowitz5%Jan 27 21:54
trmancoschestowitz, of what? do bots count?Jan 27 21:54
schestowitzI don't know.Jan 27 21:54
schestowitzDepends who measures it and whenJan 27 21:54
trmancoremove the bots from that 5% and you have the real result...Jan 27 21:55
schestowitzTime for Munckin spanking in COLA :-)Jan 27 21:55
schestowitztrmanco: the one that reports 5% (down from 9%) might already cull them outJan 27 21:56
trmancoI just wonder why I receive hits from Live  with MSN IP's which have a search query in the referral linkJan 27 21:56
PetoKrausit works in GlasgowJan 27 21:56
PetoKrausoh wellJan 27 21:56
schestowitztrmanco: probably one-word queriesJan 27 21:56
schestowitzLike "Microsoft" or "tool" or "loser"Jan 27 21:57
trmancoI actually follow the search engine referral link but I don't see my pages within the first 5 pagesJan 27 21:57
schestowitzThey mess up many people's referral logsJan 27 21:57
trmancoI ought to block those stupid botnets soon in my robots fileJan 27 21:57
schestowitzThey should be utterly ashamed of themselves, but hey... it's not as though criminals have a sense of sle  pride to begin with.Jan 27 21:57
schestowitztrmanco: don't follow the linksJan 27 21:58
schestowitzThat's what their spamming is good forJan 27 21:58
schestowitzIt leads people to thinking that Microsoft Got Game, then they exploreJan 27 21:58
PetoKrausffs that guy is totally stupidJan 27 21:59
trmancoschestowitz, just following a couple of links won't hurt, I thinkJan 27 21:59
PetoKraus"at least for italy this is not true, as you can see from the screenshot"Jan 27 21:59
PetoKrausTHERE'S NO result you MORON!Jan 27 21:59
trmancoLOLJan 27 22:00
trmancocalm down :-PJan 27 22:00
PetoKrausi am calm, don't worryJan 27 22:00
trmancookJan 27 22:00
PetoKraus:)Jan 27 22:00
trmanco:-PJan 27 22:00
schestowitzPetoKraus: what do you mean?Jan 27 22:01
PetoKrausschestowitz: 27 22:02
PetoKraushe claims it works correctly in italyJan 27 22:02
PetoKrausfirst result -; second result -; third result -; fourth result yacme.comJan 27 22:03
PetoKrausworks PERFECTLY.Jan 27 22:03
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schestowitzic..Jan 27 22:10
trmanco 27 22:18
PetoKrausyeah, helios had nice blogs in past few daysJan 27 22:19
trmancocool -> 27 22:28
trmancoschestowitz, still no tuxmachines?Jan 27 22:35
schestowitzNo.Jan 27 22:35
schestowitzVery weirdJan 27 22:35
trmancotry this 27 22:35
schestowitzShe hosts it on Gentoo   @ homeJan 27 22:35
schestowitzShe recently made some changedJan 27 22:36
schestowitzBut it hardly even resolves, so I assume the server is unreachable/downJan 27 22:36
trmanco 27 22:36
schestowitzWas itDNS?Jan 27 22:36
trmanconot sure, just problemsJan 27 22:37
schestowitzI left a commentJan 27 22:38
schestowitzLook at # of pageviewsJan 27 22:38
schestowitzAlmost no-one visits TM while DNS is kaputJan 27 22:38
trmancoyepJan 27 22:39
*_paco_ (n=jesus@unaffiliated/paco/x-456320) has joined #boycottnovellJan 27 22:39
schestowitzIt's slowJan 27 22:39
schestowitzAnd I can hardly get the RSS feed this wayJan 27 22:39
trmancoyes, I forgot to say thatJan 27 22:39
_paco_hiJan 27 22:39
trmancomy feed is workingJan 27 22:40
schestowitzHey, _paco_, what's up?Jan 27 22:40
trmancohiJan 27 22:40
_paco_I just saw on the internet that today this chan is up, so I came, to boycottJan 27 22:40
schestowitzThis channel is always up :-DJan 27 22:41
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schestowitzHi, ap0kal1pt4ya Jan 27 22:43
_paco_I saw it on crunchgearJan 27 22:43
schestowitzReally?Jan 27 22:43
_paco_that's my homieJan 27 22:43
ap0kal1pt4yahi allJan 27 22:43
schestowitzHeyJan 27 22:43
_paco_against deals, for freedom, dimi ap0kal1pt4yaJan 27 22:44
ap0kal1pt4yayes _paco_Jan 27 22:45
ap0kal1pt4yafor freedomJan 27 22:45
schestowitzPatents are one among more issuesJan 27 22:45
schestowitzThe good news is that we (not just BN) are gradually winning this ideaological battleJan 27 22:45
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ap0kal1pt4yaI agree withh you schestowitzJan 27 22:49
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schestowitzWhat was on Crunchgear?Jan 27 22:51
schestowitzOther than a rebuttal to ZDNet FUD?Jan 27 22:51
_paco_ 27 22:51
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_paco_responses there i saw the chanJan 27 22:51
*schestowitz looksJan 27 22:53
schestowitzI think I know Scott Merrill.Jan 27 22:54
schestowitzThat's the guy who used to be one of us WordPress hackers.Jan 27 22:54
schestowitzYes, it's him: 27 22:54
schestowitzHm..... he got divorced... 27 22:55
schestowitzI remember when he threw the towel at WordPress and left us... quite a scene... he was bug gardener for a whole.Jan 27 22:55
schestowitz*whileJan 27 22:55
schestowitz"In July 2008, my wife and I separated. She and the kids have moved away. As of this writing, the divorce proceedings are not yet finalized. So in the eyes of the law, I'm still married. I haven't told many people, other than my close friends, because there's no easy way to communicate the situation to casual acquaintances, coworkers, and the various folks that knew us."Jan 27 22:56
PetoKrausis the font weird for you as well?Jan 27 23:06
schestowitzIn Techcrunch? Crunchgear?Jan 27 23:07
PetoKrausskippy.netJan 27 23:08
schestowitzNo, it's looks all right. I didn't know he had become an author in some places.Jan 27 23:08
PetoKrausuhmJan 27 23:08
PetoKrausmust be some annoying proxy thenJan 27 23:08
schestowitz 27 23:09
PetoKrausmodpoints!Jan 27 23:11
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