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| trmanco | all asleep? | Mar 08 00:13 |
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| trmanco | :-P | Mar 08 00:13 |
| PetoKraus | i'm heer | Mar 08 00:13 |
| PetoKraus | *here | Mar 08 00:13 |
| trmanco | schestowitz, went to bed early today :-P | Mar 08 00:14 |
| trmanco | PetoKraus, are you a programmer? | Mar 08 00:16 |
| PetoKraus | no thanks, i don't smoke. | Mar 08 00:17 |
| trmanco | meh | Mar 08 00:17 |
| PetoKraus | :) | Mar 08 00:17 |
| trmanco | ok | Mar 08 00:17 |
| trmanco | :-P | Mar 08 00:17 |
| PetoKraus | it depends. | Mar 08 00:17 |
| PetoKraus | i know bits. | Mar 08 00:17 |
| trmanco | 01001100 10001101 01010001 | Mar 08 00:18 |
| trmanco | you smoke this? :-P | Mar 08 00:19 |
| PetoKraus | hex would be easier, you know | Mar 08 00:19 |
| trmanco | 0x65 | Mar 08 00:19 |
| PetoKraus | are these three signed or unsigned? | Mar 08 00:20 |
| PetoKraus | and ones or twos complement | Mar 08 00:20 |
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| PetoKraus | (and since i remember how to do only one of these four options, 75% i'm screwed ) | Mar 08 00:21 |
| trmanco | I have no idea, I just typed in some number and a letter | Mar 08 00:22 |
| trmanco | numbers* | Mar 08 00:23 |
| trmanco | I'm starting to "eat" letters... | Mar 08 00:23 |
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| seller_liar | another win for floss | Mar 08 00:25 |
| seller_liar | bluej and greenfoot opensource now | Mar 08 00:25 |
| seller_liar | http://www.bluej.org/news/open... | Mar 08 00:25 |
| PetoKraus | gplv2? | Mar 08 00:35 |
| PetoKraus | nice | Mar 08 00:35 |
| seller_liar | yes | Mar 08 00:37 |
| seller_liar | +classpath | Mar 08 00:38 |
| PetoKraus | well it's not a terrible exception, is it. | Mar 08 00:38 |
| seller_liar | PetoKraus: It's the same of sun java | Mar 08 00:39 |
| PetoKraus | yup | Mar 08 00:39 |
| seller_liar | PetoKraus: It's a lot better than bsd | Mar 08 00:39 |
| PetoKraus | right | Mar 08 00:40 |
| PetoKraus | good night now | Mar 08 00:40 |
| PetoKraus | ;) | Mar 08 00:40 |
| seller_liar | bye | Mar 08 00:40 |
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| MinceR | gn | Mar 08 01:24 |
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| Comrades! | Mar 08 03:33 | |
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| schestowitz | Morning. | Mar 08 06:25 |
| NeonFL0SS | morning | Mar 08 06:29 |
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| schestowitz | Shoe reportedly thrown at Iranian president Ahmadinejad http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/... | Mar 08 06:43 |
| schestowitz | Wall Street's Best Investment II: 12 Deregulatory Steps to Financial Meltdown http://lists.essential.org/piper... | Mar 08 06:43 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft pretends to be hosting the "unamerican" event (anti-Linux):Event: Microsoft and Open Source working together http://venturebeat.com/2009/03/06/e... | Mar 08 06:50 |
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| schestowitz | :-( Yahoo CEO Bartz won’t talk publicly with Microsoft < http://news.moneycentral.msn.com/provide... >. Why even talk to a convicted monopolist to begin with? | Mar 08 07:03 |
| schestowitz | Google, Yahoo!, Microsoft urged not to censor search < http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/articl... > | Mar 08 07:05 |
| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2kS75UXdfE0 | Mar 08 07:13 |
| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XsIhwGpQl6E&NR=1 | Mar 08 07:19 |
| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NX9da... "Sources I have read and watched say it'll last till 2015 before things start to get better." | Mar 08 07:26 |
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| schestowitz | The Microsoft shill Preston Gralla is labeling Google a "monopolist" (i.e. abuser).Gee, what a a surprise < http://blogs.computerworld.com/google_versus_... >. Seems like there a succession for the Enderle shill. | Mar 08 07:55 |
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| schestowitz | Microsoft's legalised bribery event (lobbying) called "celebrates Europe" http://www.techradar.com/news/computi... Ah Gads! What a spin and brainwash... | Mar 08 08:00 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/art... "Some Americans are learning a jarring lesson about unemployment as they prepare their tax returns." | Mar 08 08:28 |
| schestowitz | Wage cuts at Microsoft provoke protest < http://www.upi.com/Business_News/2009/03... >. Equivalent of laying off 10-20% of them. | Mar 08 08:30 |
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| schestowitz | PetoKraus: Microsoft patents BlueJ < http://www.bluej.org/mrt/?p=21 > | Mar 08 11:03 |
| schestowitz | Update: Response to BlueJ Patent Issues < http://blogs.msdn.com/danielfe/archive/2007/01... > | Mar 08 11:04 |
| PetoKraus | rets | Mar 08 11:04 |
| PetoKraus | :/ | Mar 08 11:04 |
| *PetoKraus np: Frank Klepacki - C&C Thang (Command & Conquer) | Mar 08 11:38 | |
| PetoKraus | ohgosh, that was long time ago. | Mar 08 11:38 |
| schestowitz | China owns America (USA): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h4CnKDv... | Mar 08 11:39 |
| schestowitz | According to this, national bankruptcy seems possible. | Mar 08 11:41 |
| schestowitz | But Capitol Hill won't talk about it.. | Mar 08 11:41 |
| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ojsN8EFiVlc&NR=1 | Mar 08 12:01 |
| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zcT3kgisL... | Mar 08 12:14 |
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| oiaohm | USA is basically stuffed | Mar 08 12:30 |
| oiaohm | Yet for some reason USD is not going splat. | Mar 08 12:31 |
| schestowitz | Yes, I wonder about it, but bear in mind other currencies are hit too | Mar 08 12:33 |
| schestowitz | The US economy had negative effects on other currencies as well. | Mar 08 12:34 |
| schestowitz | Iceland has appointed a woman to run the place after their meltdown | Mar 08 12:34 |
| oiaohm | Australia is not going that great at the moment. | Mar 08 12:35 |
| schestowitz | Is any country doing all right? | Mar 08 12:37 |
| schestowitz | (not rhetorical BTW) | Mar 08 12:37 |
| schestowitz | UAE too is affected, but it sits on piles of money | Mar 08 12:37 |
| oiaohm | Australia was doing all right until our goverment decide to try to buy there way out of problems. | Mar 08 12:38 |
| oiaohm | Basically no debt before they attempted that. | Mar 08 12:38 |
| schestowitz | That's passing bad banks to the public | Mar 08 12:38 |
| schestowitz | Nationalising sins of the crooks is a bad choice. | Mar 08 12:39 |
| schestowitz | Those who were calling for regulation were dismissed as pessimistic crazies | Mar 08 12:39 |
| schestowitz | Some economists too. | Mar 08 12:39 |
| schestowitz | It's not to marginalise the messenger with the discomforting message, ain't it? It's human nature. | Mar 08 12:40 |
| oiaohm | Our banks are not really hurting. | Mar 08 12:41 |
| oiaohm | They are only going to pull in a few billion dollars less than normal. | Mar 08 12:41 |
| oiaohm | Still huge mothers of profits. | Mar 08 12:41 |
| oiaohm | The 4 main banks here is nothing for them to pull in 10 to 15 billion dollars a year profit without question. | Mar 08 12:42 |
| oiaohm | I guess you have bigger problems over there schestowitz | Mar 08 12:43 |
| oiaohm | Biggest problem we have is from mining and companies taken the chance to go off shore. | Mar 08 12:43 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: what are your sources for this? | Mar 08 12:44 |
| schestowitz | To prevent unrest, the government spokespeople disseminate lies, so be careful. In the US they cite bogus unemployment numbers that reply on altered definitions. | Mar 08 12:44 |
| schestowitz | Here in the UK the debt was measured in the wrong terms, thus hiding more realistic estimates of $3 trillion (~$50k per citizen). | Mar 08 12:45 |
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| oiaohm | Most of Australia's income is from mining. | Mar 08 13:10 |
| oiaohm | also few manufactoring companies are also taking the chance to go offsore with there production. | Mar 08 13:11 |
| oiaohm | To be exact move there production to china. | Mar 08 13:11 |
| oiaohm | That has put 15000 employess out of a job over night. | Mar 08 13:12 |
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| MinceR | j0 | Mar 08 13:24 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: makes sense. | Mar 08 13:27 |
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| oiaohm | http://www.microsoft.com/msft/download/tra... Hmm Ballmer has the idea that Windows 7 can be sold for more than XP in the netbook market | Mar 08 14:09 |
| schestowitz | Well, cause it runs 3 processes :-) | Mar 08 14:14 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: he says what he wants to believe. They also said Vista would dominate the world by now. | Mar 08 14:15 |
| oiaohm | Yep I know. | Mar 08 14:15 |
| oiaohm | Also thinks they can take what ever google throws at them. | Mar 08 14:16 |
| oiaohm | Really its not google I am watching. | Mar 08 14:17 |
| oiaohm | If android takes off what reason will nokia stay out the netbook market. | Mar 08 14:17 |
| oiaohm | This year could get really messy. | Mar 08 14:20 |
| oiaohm | Phone makers vs PC makers. | Mar 08 14:20 |
| oiaohm | http://blogs.computerworld.com/linux_companies_s... Let the all for 1 and 1 for all patent protection system start. | Mar 08 14:24 |
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| MinceR | whoa, google maps works in opera again | Mar 08 14:34 |
| schestowitz | You make it sound like Opera's fault. | Mar 08 14:40 |
| MinceR | it's google's fault | Mar 08 14:42 |
| schestowitz | But Google Do No Evil. | Mar 08 14:43 |
| MinceR | or so they say | Mar 08 14:52 |
| MinceR | this particular issue might be due to plain old incompetence though | Mar 08 14:53 |
| MinceR | making an ie/ff app instead of a webapp | Mar 08 14:53 |
| schestowitz | Google employs former Microsoft employees | Mar 08 14:55 |
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| he he, here's faux news worth reading http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,5... | Mar 08 15:23 | |
| Bill Gates won't let his kids have iPods. | Mar 08 15:23 | |
| Must be company policy. | Mar 08 15:24 | |
| MinceR | sadly he probably won't spare them of zunes though | Mar 08 15:31 |
| schestowitz | twitter: just sentimental BS from the Wintel press. | Mar 08 15:35 |
| schestowitz | His family life has nothing to do wit h the crimes the family commits, it's a distraction | Mar 08 15:35 |
| schestowitz | Besides, since when is i[whatever] a household name like apples and oranges? | Mar 08 15:36 |
| I thought it was funny that he runs his family like Ballmer does, brainwashing and deprivation. | Mar 08 15:36 | |
| schestowitz | Flashing/breaking: Joe Bloggs won't let his kids play with poo. | Mar 08 15:36 |
| Here's an interesting story that deserve some follow up, "This is what I’ve heard from pals in the industry. Pals who’re being screwed over right now. In short, the MCP’s have to pay the licensing fees for the bankrupted companies." | Mar 08 15:37 | |
| schestowitz | I'd rather talk about his crimes, not his kids | Mar 08 15:37 |
| http://smari.yaxic.org/blag/2009/03/06/mi... | Mar 08 15:37 | |
| Is it true that M$ Partners have to shell out Windoze taxes for bankrupt companies? | Mar 08 15:38 | |
| Do you know anyone that could verify that? | Mar 08 15:38 | |
| schestowitz | "But the backlash effect has been astounding. Several of Iceland’s largest MCP’s are now fighting for survival in a sea already at significant turmoil due to the economic depression. Shit had already hit the fan, but now they’re being skull-fucked by Microsoft to boot." | Mar 08 15:38 |
| schestowitz | And NOW they find out about the risk of Microsoft dependency? | Mar 08 15:38 |
| If it is true, then M$'s Partner network is collapsing. | Mar 08 15:39 | |
| schestowitz | Of course. | Mar 08 15:39 |
| *schestowitz writes a post about Vista/Vista7 failures ATM | Mar 08 15:39 | |
| M$ thought squeezing their partners would buffer them from problems, but who's going to sell the next round when the first bunch is bankrupt? | Mar 08 15:39 | |
| cool. | Mar 08 15:40 | |
| MinceR | i'd rather end both his crimes and his kids | Mar 08 15:40 |
| schestowitz | My brother spoke to me for like half an hour, so I lost track | Mar 08 15:40 |
| The kids are innocent, MinceR | Mar 08 15:40 | |
| schestowitz | MinceR: I don't know if his kids committed crimes | Mar 08 15:40 |
| schestowitz | Don't have kids suffers for their patents misdeeds | Mar 08 15:41 |
| MinceR | they might carry evil genes and/or brainwashing, so be careful. | Mar 08 15:41 |
| MinceR | even possible loyalty to their parents | Mar 08 15:41 |
| The wife is a criminal and the kids are brainwashed, but they are innocent. | Mar 08 15:41 | |
| schestowitz | Melinda French seems keen on getting the government to shell out money on companies that she invests in. | Mar 08 15:41 |
| schestowitz | And she has media control that she uses | Mar 08 15:41 |
| schestowitz | She also attends Bilderberg meetings. | Mar 08 15:41 |
| _Hicham_ | Hi Roy! | Mar 08 15:42 |
| schestowitz | twitter: +1 | Mar 08 15:42 |
| Yes, M$ has lobbied for "bailouts" | Mar 08 15:42 | |
| schestowitz | Hey, _Hicham_ | Mar 08 15:42 |
| schestowitz | Of course. | Mar 08 15:42 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft is posibly already in debt | Mar 08 15:42 |
| schestowitz | The value of its assets is volatile. | Mar 08 15:42 |
| schestowitz | See Iceland for example | Mar 08 15:42 |
| schestowitz | All its bank savings went down the toilets | Mar 08 15:42 |
| schestowitz | gates can't sell MSFT quickly enough | Mar 08 15:42 |
| schestowitz | So he lost a lot of his money, Allen likewise (lost almost $10 bn | Mar 08 15:43 |
| schestowitz | But.. they won't end up in a caravan. | Mar 08 15:43 |
| MinceR | is he selling MSFT already? | Mar 08 15:43 |
| The partner failures is an important aspect of this. When partners go bankrupt, all of the revenue dries up, not just the one or two bankrupt company revenues. | Mar 08 15:43 | |
| schestowitz | Nor have an house arrest like Madoff... because they bought a philantroFIST image for themselves. | Mar 08 15:44 |
| If what that blog says is correct, the effect is cascading. | Mar 08 15:44 | |
| schestowitz | MinceR: he has been selling it for YEARS | Mar 08 15:44 |
| schestowitz | since 2006 at least | Mar 08 15:44 |
| schestowitz | As first as permissible (inside trading rules) | Mar 08 15:44 |
| schestowitz | That tells you what he sees 'from the inside' | Mar 08 15:44 |
| schestowitz | He was right | Mar 08 15:44 |
| schestowitz | He also stepped down after the company had made billions in losses | Mar 08 15:45 |
| schestowitz | Bad Boy Ballmer had better start buying himself a new image... | Mar 08 15:45 |
| Bwa, ha ha, -> MCP’s are bailing out, switching over to Free Software and restructuring their business model. Keep the revenue inside Iceland, sell better technical services for less money and yet double their revenue. “Why didn’t we do this earlier?” | Mar 08 15:45 | |
| schestowitz | I've just mailed this to a friend from Finland | Mar 08 15:46 |
| schestowitz | There is an excellent article from Bloomberg about Vista 7. | Mar 08 15:54 |
| *schestowitz gets some fascinating information about what Microsoft has done in Iceland. | Mar 08 16:11 | |
| schestowitz | http://web.archive.org/web/20000818010655/http://... | Mar 08 16:12 |
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| Twitter has visions of Vikings with computers, swords with GCC stamped onto the hilt in nifty runes. | Mar 08 16:16 | |
| schestowitz | Many FOSS technologies come from Nordic countries | Mar 08 16:20 |
| schestowitz | IIRC, Python, Qt, MySQL, Linux... | Mar 08 16:20 |
| MinceR | hopefully the icelandic people know the obvious way out of that | Mar 08 16:30 |
| schestowitz | FTA: "...those who survive will switch to Free Software, and those who don’t will go bankrupt." | Mar 08 16:32 |
| schestowitz | Only the freest survives. | Mar 08 16:32 |
| MinceR | oh. :) | Mar 08 16:32 |
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| I'd rather M$ partners go bankrupt than bankroll M$ with free software sales. | Mar 08 16:58 | |
| Bankrupt M$ partnerships should be dissolved and reformed as free software companies free of onerous M$ contracts. | Mar 08 16:59 | |
| schestowitz | windows death watch: http://boycottnovell.com/2009/03/08/vi... | Mar 08 17:01 |
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| schestowitz | bbl | Mar 08 17:36 |
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| gottch. submitted systemic weakness story http://slashdot.org/firehose.pl?op=v... | Mar 08 18:32 | |
| M$ will fail faster than anticipated, thanks to their licensing. | Mar 08 18:33 | |
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| schestowitz | +1 for linking to http://www.indefence.is/ | Mar 08 19:36 |
| schestowitz | I see that about 15% of their population has signed it by now. | Mar 08 19:37 |
| trmanco | http://www.thesimpledollar.com/2009/0... Hey Ubuntu :D | Mar 08 19:44 |
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| jose | http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/micr... | Mar 08 19:45 |
| jose | by John Dvorak | Mar 08 19:45 |
| jose | "Microsoft's business model is done" | Mar 08 19:45 |
| jose | >> Until now, the average computer user has been ignoring this trend. But the economic conditions and the emergence of powerful inexpensive computing has to make people rethink the Microsoft proposition. | Mar 08 19:45 |
| jose | >> If Intel can provide users with powerful little systems for $99 and has been pushing prices lower and lower over the years, why can't Microsoft? Intel makes elaborate hardware in billion-dollar factories. Microsoft stamps out a disk. | Mar 08 19:45 |
| jose | This discrepancy has to end soon. | Mar 08 19:45 |
| silentivm | exactly | Mar 08 19:46 |
| schestowitz | Hi, jose | Mar 08 19:49 |
| schestowitz | jose: good fine, thank you. It's the dilemma of scarcity. That's why they create imaginary property (patents) | Mar 08 19:51 |
| jose | how are you schestowitz.... | Mar 08 19:52 |
| schestowitz | I'm feeling good. Microsoft is seeing its end quicker fast than most people imagined | Mar 08 19:52 |
| schestowitz | Did you see BN posts today? | Mar 08 19:53 |
| jose | i think i skimmed | Mar 08 19:53 |
| schestowitz | brb | Mar 08 19:58 |
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| Balrog | hello everyone | Mar 08 21:15 |
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| hello, barlog | Mar 08 21:23 | |
| any news? | Mar 08 21:23 | |
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| Balrog | not that I know of :/ | Mar 08 22:03 |
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| schestowitz | "I must note that I don't greatly admire what Obama's justice department is doing — in regard to defending Bush's policies of secrecy and arbitrary rule. But that's not what the fanatics criticize them for." http://www.stallman.org/archives/2009-ja... | Mar 08 22:54 |
| schestowitz | http://www.cringely.com/2009/0... "Maybe the acquirer isn’t Microsoft. But I’ll tell you right now that some big company somewhere has snapped-up Neokast, is continuing to develop the software and intends to introduce it soon with a big splash. I just wish I knew who it was." | Mar 08 22:57 |
| schestowitz | Court documents show CIA destroyed 12 harsh interrogation videotapes < http://wire.antiwar.com/2009/03/06/cia... > | Mar 08 22:58 |
| schestowitz | The Inflection Is Near? < http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/08/opinion/08fri... > | Mar 08 22:59 |
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| schestowitz | Gates Foundation is also investing in Warren Buffett’s very own company? < http://news.cnet.com/8301-1001_... > | Mar 08 23:26 |
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| Warren and Billy, exchanging worthless assets. | Mar 08 23:42 | |
| schestowitz | I'll do a post about it in the morning. | Mar 08 23:43 |
| schestowitz | Storage Sales Drop, but Capacity Climbs < http://www.pcworld.com/article/160873/storage_s... > | Mar 08 23:49 |
| schestowitz | That's a silly headline because capacity grows at almost quadratic paces. It's like saying, "houses demolishes, but rubble becomes more commonplace" | Mar 08 23:52 |
| schestowitz | *shed | Mar 08 23:52 |
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