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| *schestowitz almost done watching this excellent talk: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-... | Mar 20 00:56 | |
| schestowitz | gn | Mar 20 00:57 |
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| word down? Again? ha ha | Mar 20 01:05 | |
| like the Wine in your Windows, so you can Windows while you Windows. | Mar 20 01:05 | |
| That and DosBox are the only way to run older programs. | Mar 20 01:06 | |
| at least the only way to run Windows programs on Windows. | Mar 20 01:06 | |
| That idiot Bill Gates keeps killing older software. | Mar 20 01:06 | |
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| Like the link about Sony undercutting Kindle with public domain. | Mar 20 01:11 | |
| PeterFA | You could virtualize ReactOS. | Mar 20 01:11 |
| xamox | does the EFF have an official IRC channel? | Mar 20 01:12 |
| I don't know ReactOS. How's it doing these days? | Mar 20 01:12 | |
| You could virtualize Windows too. | Mar 20 01:13 | |
| barf | Mar 20 01:13 | |
| you are probably better off with wine | Mar 20 01:14 | |
| and an OS that does not suck | Mar 20 01:14 | |
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| MinceR | gn | Mar 20 02:06 |
| balzac | xamox | Mar 20 02:52 |
| xamox | Balzac, yo | Mar 20 02:53 |
| balzac | you're a Drupal-ista, right? | Mar 20 02:53 |
| xamox | yerp | Mar 20 02:53 |
| xamox | hrm | Mar 20 02:53 |
| balzac | cool, are you enjoying Drupal 6? Messing around with Drupal 7? | Mar 20 02:53 |
| xamox | To be honest I haven't used d6 too much | Mar 20 02:53 |
| xamox | Haven't even touched 7 | Mar 20 02:54 |
| xamox | I'm old school 4.7 and 5 guy | Mar 20 02:54 |
| balzac | man, Drupal 6 is a big upgrade | Mar 20 02:54 |
| balzac | I'm lovin' it (tm) | Mar 20 02:54 |
| xamox | Yeah, I've played with views 2 some, and it kicks ass | Mar 20 02:54 |
| balzac | no kidding | Mar 20 02:54 |
| balzac | and CCK with relationships between content types is sweet | Mar 20 02:54 |
| xamox | I still hang out CCK channel | Mar 20 02:54 |
| xamox | sorry | Mar 20 02:55 |
| balzac | Drupal has finally come of age with v6 | Mar 20 02:55 |
| xamox | haha | Mar 20 02:55 |
| xamox | drupal | Mar 20 02:55 |
| xamox | I read CCKk and typed it | Mar 20 02:55 |
| xamox | YEah, that's what I was waiting for | Mar 20 02:55 |
| balzac | relational data-structure integration | Mar 20 02:55 |
| xamox | so what exactly is this channel | Mar 20 02:55 |
| balzac | enterprise sh__ | Mar 20 02:55 |
| xamox | I was looking to see if EFF has a channel | Mar 20 02:55 |
| balzac | it's about snubbing microsoft | Mar 20 02:56 |
| xamox | well | Mar 20 02:56 |
| balzac | good question | Mar 20 02:56 |
| xamox | I'm in | Mar 20 02:56 |
| xamox | haha | Mar 20 02:56 |
| xamox | This is what came up in google results | Mar 20 02:56 |
| balzac | yeah, microsoft has come bearing "gifts" laden with software patent hooks | Mar 20 02:56 |
| xamox | Well I do have butt love for vista | Mar 20 02:56 |
| xamox | j/k | Mar 20 02:57 |
| xamox | haha | Mar 20 02:57 |
| balzac | Novell is their agent and enterprise SUSE is their trojan horse | Mar 20 02:57 |
| xamox | Actually I did recently get vista for dx10 support and games | Mar 20 02:57 |
| xamox | ohh god | Mar 20 02:57 |
| balzac | you mean the Vista the porn slut? | Mar 20 02:57 |
| xamox | I fucking hate it | Mar 20 02:57 |
| xamox | seriously | Mar 20 02:57 |
| xamox | Annoying pop ups | Mar 20 02:57 |
| xamox | "Program has quit responding...." | Mar 20 02:57 |
| xamox | ummm | Mar 20 02:57 |
| xamox | no it hasn't | Mar 20 02:58 |
| xamox | I'm using it | Mar 20 02:58 |
| xamox | my USB | Mar 20 02:58 |
| xamox | audio | Mar 20 02:58 |
| balzac | http://www.iafd.com/person.rme/pe... <-- Sierra Vista is no spring chicken | Mar 20 02:58 |
| xamox | like when you plug in and out, ding dong ding dong, wouldn't stop. Had to disable all system sounds to get it to stop, even though nothing was plugged in USB | Mar 20 02:58 |
| xamox | balzac, ohh, god she is a hottie | Mar 20 02:59 |
| xamox | haha | Mar 20 02:59 |
| balzac | Vista 7 is going to suck, but not in a good way. | Mar 20 02:59 |
| balzac | Microsoft is not like viagra, it will leave you hanging | Mar 20 03:00 |
| xamox | this is news I saw recently that I didn't like to hear at all: | Mar 20 03:00 |
| xamox | http://www.informationweek.com/news/security/cyb... | Mar 20 03:00 |
| balzac | sementech is a security protection racket subsidized by micro-limp | Mar 20 03:01 |
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| xamox | yeah, I like my family sends out these e-mails | Mar 20 03:04 |
| xamox | virus scare e-mails | Mar 20 03:04 |
| xamox | viruses are coming | Mar 20 03:04 |
| xamox | So I'll tell them to just install linux, it's free, and basically impossible to get a virus on. | Mar 20 03:05 |
| balzac | A Microsoft insider for Homesec is like having an incompetent person working for a orwellian police state bureaucracy. | Mar 20 03:05 |
| balzac | oh wait, that's no analogy, that's exactly what it is. | Mar 20 03:05 |
| balzac | xamox: compromised versions of Linux such as enterprise SUSE, engineered by Microsoft-subsidized Novell is probably built to support viruses. | Mar 20 03:06 |
| xamox | haha | Mar 20 03:07 |
| xamox | don't tell me your one of those right wing nuts | Mar 20 03:07 |
| xamox | because I am too | Mar 20 03:07 |
| xamox | muhahaha | Mar 20 03:07 |
| xamox | Yeah, what article was I just reading too, about microsoft trying to sue... | Mar 20 03:08 |
| xamox | umm, what are they called | Mar 20 03:08 |
| xamox | Tom Tom | Mar 20 03:08 |
| balzac | well, to be fair, even Enterprise SUSE is GNU/Linux, but they add a bunch of proprietary junk to it, so I'm hesitant to mention the venerable name of GNU in reference to a product from M$/Novell | Mar 20 03:08 |
| xamox | for violating patent laws. | Mar 20 03:08 |
| balzac | yep | Mar 20 03:08 |
| balzac | patent-law applied to software... That's ridiculous. | Mar 20 03:09 |
| xamox | yeah for sure | Mar 20 03:09 |
| xamox | now you know why I'm looking for the EFF channel | Mar 20 03:09 |
| xamox | haha | Mar 20 03:09 |
| balzac | I'm not taking the bait for either of the "wings", right or left. | Mar 20 03:10 |
| xamox | I'm buffalo wing baby | Mar 20 03:10 |
| xamox | with a side of ranch | Mar 20 03:10 |
| balzac | good question though, does EFF have a freenode channel? | Mar 20 03:10 |
| xamox | I can't seem to find one | Mar 20 03:11 |
| xamox | it would be nice though | Mar 20 03:11 |
| balzac | surely they have an IRC channel, perhaps on their own network like Mozilla. | Mar 20 03:11 |
| xamox | I looked around didn't see much | Mar 20 03:11 |
| xamox | nothing on their site | Mar 20 03:11 |
| balzac | I have a channel on freenode | Mar 20 03:11 |
| balzac | ##bawd is my channel | Mar 20 03:11 |
| balzac | please join it and read the topic | Mar 20 03:11 |
| xamox | k | Mar 20 03:11 |
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| oiaohm | Hmm schestowitz you might have to look at spliting news from articals. | Mar 20 04:23 |
| oiaohm | The news is that much at monent its kinda drowning the articals. | Mar 20 04:23 |
| oiaohm | Boy I hate the lag in showing afk status. | Mar 20 04:26 |
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| schestowitz | Maybe I should test an upgrde of WordPress with cache/ | Mar 20 06:52 |
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| schestowitz | I will attempt to set up good caching in WordPress by setting up a separate copy aside and then test an upgrade on it (for compatibility, etc.). This ought to work. :-) | Mar 20 07:08 |
| oiaohm | ought to work. 3 words I fear. | Mar 20 07:22 |
| schestowitz | I work on it | Mar 20 07:26 |
| schestowitz | I'm testing on a duplicate | Mar 20 07:27 |
| schestowitz | Because I have very crucial plugins | Mar 20 07:27 |
| oiaohm | I hope a local duplicate. | Mar 20 07:27 |
| oiaohm | Not on the same server. | Mar 20 07:27 |
| oiaohm | Ie the test bench of the o my @(&)! events. | Mar 20 07:28 |
| oiaohm | Yes the test server here does as o my @(&)! written on it here. | Mar 20 07:30 |
| oiaohm | http://www.groklaw.net/article.p... << Let the war begin. Tomtom vs Microsoft. | Mar 20 07:33 |
| oiaohm | Legal firm taking up Tomtom side is not known for ever settling a case. They will sue it out. Not the legal firm you would want to be facing. | Mar 20 07:35 |
| schestowitz | Why not on the same server? | Mar 20 07:36 |
| oiaohm | Just in case you have screwed something up badly and cause a overload event schestowitz | Mar 20 07:37 |
| oiaohm | Only the prototype setup gets nuke not the production | Mar 20 07:37 |
| schestowitz | Overload? | Mar 20 07:37 |
| oiaohm | Too much memory allocation and the like schestowitz | Mar 20 07:37 |
| schestowitz | I doubt this case happen by just testing something aside | Mar 20 07:37 |
| oiaohm | Somethat that triggers linux save it self process. | Mar 20 07:38 |
| schestowitz | I copy the db | Mar 20 07:38 |
| schestowitz | then create another copy of wp | Mar 20 07:38 |
| oiaohm | Yes Linux kernel has that nice feature. Will kill anything running when overloaded to attempt to save it self. | Mar 20 07:38 |
| schestowitz | Then connect it to the other db | Mar 20 07:38 |
| schestowitz | Sort of emulate an upgrade on the dry | Mar 20 07:39 |
| schestowitz | the BN database is over 100MB now | Mar 20 07:40 |
| oiaohm | http://linux-mm.org/OOM_Killer << This event schestowitz | Mar 20 07:40 |
| oiaohm | Something that you could trip of something is screwed up really badly. | Mar 20 07:41 |
| *schestowitz looks | Mar 20 07:42 | |
| oiaohm | Unstand the reason why need for personal server at home to test things now schestowitz. | Mar 20 07:48 |
| schestowitz | Rarely a necessity unless you do this often | Mar 20 07:48 |
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| *schestowitz upgrades test db | Mar 20 08:03 | |
| schestowitz | *ping oiaohm | Mar 20 08:10 |
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| schestowitz | Cool. My most crucial plugin is compatible: http://wordpress.org/extend/plugins/... | Mar 20 08:27 |
| *schestowitz upgrades in-place. Don't visit BN right now, please. | Mar 20 08:32 | |
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| schestowitz | Obama CIO's 'youthful indiscretion': shirt thieving < Obama CIO's 'youthful indiscretion': shirt thieving > | Mar 20 08:39 |
| schestowitz | http://www.itwire.com/content/... (Adobe patches old PDF software to combat new exploits) | Mar 20 08:43 |
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| schestowitz | Another company gets 'relabeled': Cisco hoovers up gadget company < http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/ne... > | Mar 20 08:48 |
| schestowitz | wp-cache now installed | Mar 20 09:00 |
| schestowitz | I mistakenly had two posts marked "private" | Mar 20 09:13 |
| oiaohm | schestowitz: was afk. After the stuff ups I have seen rule better safe than sorry applies schestowitz. | Mar 20 09:28 |
| oiaohm | I have been thinking about the redhat patent. It is really a double standard redhat takes out a patent on a open protocal. Others have blocked opensource from using open protocals due to patents before. | Mar 20 09:29 |
| oiaohm | Its only fair that Closed source misses out sometimes. | Mar 20 09:29 |
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| schestowitz | Yes, I know. | Mar 20 09:36 |
| schestowitz | The whole Red Hat thing is bitterness from rivals | Mar 20 09:36 |
| schestowitz | But it needs to be heard | Mar 20 09:36 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: upgrade was very successful so far | Mar 20 09:36 |
| oiaohm | Closed source rivals | Mar 20 09:36 |
| schestowitz | The new version is very good to | Mar 20 09:36 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: imatrix | Mar 20 09:36 |
| schestowitz | *tto | Mar 20 09:36 |
| schestowitz | *too | Mar 20 09:36 |
| schestowitz | I intend to spend lots of time checking the site's state today | Mar 20 09:37 |
| oiaohm | In theory you jumped a step. | Mar 20 09:37 |
| oiaohm | Local server presure test then put live and monitor. | Mar 20 09:37 |
| oiaohm | Ok not like the sites I deal with that are online shops so you can get away with a mistake more. | Mar 20 09:38 |
| oiaohm | http://www.linuxdevices.co... << Now tht company is pushing trademarks schestowitz | Mar 20 09:40 |
| oiaohm | tht/that | Mar 20 09:40 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: I had issues | Mar 20 09:41 |
| schestowitz | With temporary/test site | Mar 20 09:41 |
| schestowitz | Because I have CMS in main dir | Mar 20 09:41 |
| schestowitz | So it interprets anything under it as part of it... .htaccess and all. | Mar 20 09:41 |
| schestowitz | So I couldn't quite test it on a separate copy | Mar 20 09:42 |
| schestowitz | I just head first and it seems to have been all OK | Mar 20 09:42 |
| oiaohm | See in 6 hours time. | Mar 20 09:42 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: yes, I saw this Chinese company, I think | Mar 20 09:42 |
| schestowitz | Mac clones. | Mar 20 09:42 |
| schestowitz | Would work in China | Mar 20 09:42 |
| schestowitz | More Linux users | Mar 20 09:42 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: will do. I am still playing with it hard... | Mar 20 09:43 |
| schestowitz | Stress testing it | Mar 20 09:43 |
| schestowitz | Load is not increasing | Mar 20 09:43 |
| schestowitz | I set up cache | Mar 20 09:43 |
| schestowitz | The way is works though is not perfect, so I need to change parameters | Mar 20 09:43 |
| oiaohm | Look closer schestowitz | Mar 20 09:43 |
| oiaohm | The logo is backwards. | Mar 20 09:43 |
| schestowitz | It caches pages by creating static copies that expire within an hour | Mar 20 09:43 |
| oiaohm | It is possiable legal in some countries. | Mar 20 09:44 |
| schestowitz | This does not help much when delivering pages from the archives to crawlers | Mar 20 09:44 |
| schestowitz | So ideally I should be able to cache old pages almost permanently. | Mar 20 09:44 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: HAHA! Didn't notice that | Mar 20 09:44 |
| schestowitz | :-) | Mar 20 09:44 |
| schestowitz | Chinese companies are taking the p*ss out of trademark law | Mar 20 09:45 |
| oiaohm | Really should check if MS logo is registered mirrored. | Mar 20 09:45 |
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| oiaohm | If its not you could have a lot of fun most people would not notice the difference. | Mar 20 09:46 |
| schestowitz | Good, average load is not declining gradually. (sql load) | Mar 20 09:49 |
| oiaohm | If you can watch memory usage on the server I would. | Mar 20 09:50 |
| oiaohm | Its normally the bigger sign of something going majorly wrong than cpu load. | Mar 20 09:51 |
| oiaohm | Ie happens first. | Mar 20 09:51 |
| schestowitz | Ahh.. good point | Mar 20 09:57 |
| schestowitz | "Memory Used 41 %" | Mar 20 09:58 |
| schestowitz | That's the typical load in quiet times | Mar 20 09:58 |
| schestowitz | "Server Load0.87 (4 cpus)" | Mar 20 09:58 |
| schestowitz | So far, so good. | Mar 20 09:58 |
| oiaohm | Thinking it is the oom killer that is more likely to hit first. | Mar 20 09:59 |
| schestowitz | The upgrade hardly inflated anything in the DB | Mar 20 09:59 |
| oiaohm | Yes moo backwards. | Mar 20 09:59 |
| schestowitz | :-) | Mar 20 09:59 |
| *schestowitz checks if caching works | Mar 20 10:00 | |
| oiaohm | Does that explain the cow jokes in apt. | Mar 20 10:00 |
| schestowitz | http://wordpress.org/ext... | Mar 20 10:00 |
| schestowitz | "WP-Cache is an extremely efficient WordPress page caching system to make you site much faster and responsive. It works by caching Worpress pages and storing them in a static file for serving future requests directly from the file rather than loading and compiling the whole PHP code and the building the page from the database." | Mar 20 10:00 |
| oiaohm | Yep just read. | Mar 20 10:01 |
| oiaohm | It falls into what I was after for site a cache so php is not running as often. | Mar 20 10:01 |
| schestowitz | As with another site of mine, the upgrade breaks the "view as PDF" option | Mar 20 10:05 |
| schestowitz | Weird. Novell.com ads appear in BN. That's not supposed to happen | Mar 20 10:14 |
| schestowitz | http://slashdot.org/firehose.pl?o... (Red Hat claims patent on SOAP over CGI?[->]) | Mar 20 10:15 |
| oiaohm | That is the thing redhat holds a lot of strange patents as well. | Mar 20 10:25 |
| schestowitz | It's important to keep it know either way | Mar 20 10:29 |
| schestowitz | I notice that after version 2.0 of WordPress, functions can\t take as argument the input of post # without "Sorry, no posts matched your criteria. " | Mar 20 10:29 |
| schestowitz | Something changed in the internals somewhere around 2.1+ | Mar 20 10:30 |
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| zer0c00l | when can i expect BN to work normal? | Mar 20 11:08 |
| schestowitz | zer0c00l: is it not normal? | Mar 20 11:11 |
| schestowitz | You mean technically or in terms of posting speed? | Mar 20 11:12 |
| zer0c00l | posting speed | Mar 20 11:12 |
| zer0c00l | technically perfect as far as now | Mar 20 11:12 |
| zer0c00l | i see only http://boycottnovell.com/200... | Mar 20 11:12 |
| schestowitz | Yes, give me time | Mar 20 11:14 |
| schestowitz | I am also mending my personal site, schestowitz.com | Mar 20 11:15 |
| schestowitz | Some plugins and hacks I did broke with upgrades | Mar 20 11:15 |
| schestowitz | Anyway, i can't be held back by too many things. I want to catch up with news. | Mar 20 11:15 |
| schestowitz | The upgrade seems like a good success so far. The admin panel is a lot richer and I enabled caching, which reduced the MySQL load (I can see it gradually declining). I removed the "view as PDF" option, which broke with this upgrade. | Mar 20 11:17 |
| schestowitz | My host replied re VPS: "Hope you are well. We cant actually offer Linux VPS at the moment I am afraid, but we hope to be able to soon, however we have just rolled out a new slightly higher end VMware platform if that would be of interest." | Mar 20 11:19 |
| schestowitz | "The prices on that would start at around €£75/month for an entry level server, if that's within your budget please let me know." I guess that's not /too/ bad, but let's see if I can scale where we already are. | Mar 20 11:19 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: Trolls recess in COLA, did you notice? | Mar 20 11:28 |
| schestowitz | The Real AIG Scandal http://www.slate.com/id/2213942/ | Mar 20 11:39 |
| oiaohm | http://dvlabs.tippingpoint.com/... Pitty no Linux this year. | Mar 20 11:44 |
| oiaohm | http://dvlabs.tippingpoint.com/blog... One guy did really well 15000 dollars for less than 1 hours work. | Mar 20 11:45 |
| schestowitz | It's good for Linux | Mar 20 11:49 |
| oiaohm | No linux. | Mar 20 11:50 |
| schestowitz | Would you rather people tinkered with it. Maybe they don't bother because it was victorious last year | Mar 20 11:50 |
| schestowitz | Ubuntu won | Mar 20 11:50 |
| schestowitz | Mac OS X went down first (Safari flaw), then Vista. | Mar 20 11:50 |
| oiaohm | Yep attackers complain its too hard. | Mar 20 11:50 |
| schestowitz | Ubuntu was left solid | Mar 20 11:50 |
| oiaohm | You have to break two levels. | Mar 20 11:50 |
| schestowitz | Ye | Mar 20 11:50 |
| schestowitz | Yes | Mar 20 11:50 |
| oiaohm | To truly own a Ubuntu. | Mar 20 11:50 |
| schestowitz | Apps are easier | Mar 20 11:50 |
| schestowitz | Though many Firefox flaws don't affect Linux | Mar 20 11:50 |
| oiaohm | Windows and Mac OS X default users can simpley get higher without a password. | Mar 20 11:51 |
| schestowitz | Ubuntu=humanity to others, but not to crackers | Mar 20 11:51 |
| oiaohm | Windows is the worse really. Even as an limited account there is a way out. | Mar 20 11:51 |
| schestowitz | Windows would lose compatibility/apps advantage if it rebuilds | Mar 20 11:51 |
| schestowitz | Vista was an attempt at this | Mar 20 11:51 |
| schestowitz | Broke many apps, didn't gain security! | Mar 20 11:51 |
| oiaohm | Vista completely forgot about services | Mar 20 11:52 |
| schestowitz | Longhorn collapse though | Mar 20 11:52 |
| oiaohm | Where most of the windows major secuirty holes are. | Mar 20 11:52 |
| schestowitz | Ye | Mar 20 11:52 |
| schestowitz | *yes | Mar 20 11:52 |
| *schestowitz annoyed by BN caching in front page. This makes is hard to edit and see changes | Mar 20 11:53 | |
| oiaohm | Also does not help that a lot of games install root kits on windows either. | Mar 20 11:54 |
| schestowitz | For 'security' | Mar 20 11:54 |
| oiaohm | Really | Mar 20 11:54 |
| schestowitz | Financial security of devs | Mar 20 11:54 |
| oiaohm | Lot of the game are simple pivilage lifters. | Mar 20 11:54 |
| oiaohm | So system can be inspected. | Mar 20 11:54 |
| oiaohm | Not even correctly secured againt running your own code. | Mar 20 11:55 |
| schestowitz | http://www.heise.de/english/ne... | Mar 20 11:55 |
| schestowitz | "Safari was the first to fall this week at the Pwn2Own 2009 security competition held at the CanSecWest conference in Vancouver, Canada. The competition, sponsored by TippingPoint Technologies, awards a prize for each vulnerability found on various mobile phone platforms and internet browsers." | Mar 20 11:55 |
| oiaohm | TippingPoint bring out the best in the above board flaw finders. | Mar 20 11:57 |
| oiaohm | http://dvlabs.tippingpoint.com/b... Day 2 did not go that well | Mar 20 12:00 |
| oiaohm | Not a single phone fully cracked and not many bothered turning up. | Mar 20 12:00 |
| oiaohm | That not many bothered turnning up means a lot were not sure they could get them. | Mar 20 12:01 |
| schestowitz | Oh drat | Mar 20 12:01 |
| schestowitz | The new WordPress GUI ruins one of my processes -- one where I can pick up many related posts. | Mar 20 12:02 |
| oiaohm | :) under 6 hours hitting minor bugs. Could have predicted that. | Mar 20 12:03 |
| schestowitz | No technical problem. let me explain | Mar 20 12:10 |
| schestowitz | The GUI is simpler, it's beautiful | Mar 20 12:10 |
| schestowitz | But it hides more information like post IDs. So I can't CTRL-select many IDs at once. | Mar 20 12:11 |
| schestowitz | To me, it's a usability issue affecting power users... think along the lines of not allowing people to highlight certain texts in KDE GUI to 'make it cleaner' or 'simpler'. Did you know that you can CTRL+C a Windows error message from GUIs BTW? | Mar 20 12:12 |
| oiaohm | Yes. | Mar 20 12:13 |
| oiaohm | I do windows support. I really get pissed with them sending me screen shots. | Mar 20 12:13 |
| oiaohm | Yes Linux person supporting windows not a good thing at times. | Mar 20 12:13 |
| schestowitz | Fancy GUIs get in the way | Mar 20 12:17 |
| schestowitz | Shading effects and stuff for what used to be drag-and-drop | Mar 20 12:17 |
| schestowitz | Back in vi :-) | Mar 20 12:17 |
| oiaohm | Gnome bug buddy is nice networks to support. | Mar 20 12:18 |
| oiaohm | All the data you could want is collected. | Mar 20 12:18 |
| oiaohm | And sent to the support people without end users having to know much | Mar 20 12:18 |
| oiaohm | KDE Mac and Windows both have a way to go on that. | Mar 20 12:18 |
| oiaohm | Opps all three | Mar 20 12:19 |
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| schestowitz | oiaohm: yes, I agree. KDE swats bugs pretty quickly though, based on KDE4 | Mar 20 12:34 |
| Eruaran | hullo | Mar 20 12:36 |
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| oiaohm | Hi Eruaran | Mar 20 12:38 |
| schestowitz | Hey there. | Mar 20 12:38 |
| schestowitz | BN has come back with extra FU. New WordPress version. (2.0.11->2.7.2) | Mar 20 12:39 |
| Eruaran | http://wikileaks.org/wiki/Australian_g... | Mar 20 12:39 |
| schestowitz | Eruaran: it was in /., IIRC | Mar 20 12:39 |
| schestowitz | Then Wikileaks went down | Mar 20 12:39 |
| schestowitz | I sqw twits about conspiracies, re: wikileaks | Mar 20 12:39 |
| schestowitz | And I think Wikileaks is censored partly in AU now. | Mar 20 12:40 |
| schestowitz | Could be just a rumour, but I think it was substantiated. | Mar 20 12:40 |
| oiaohm | wikileaks is working here. | Mar 20 12:41 |
| Eruaran | working here | Mar 20 12:41 |
| oiaohm | ACMA is basically starting to treat internet like tv. | Mar 20 12:42 |
| oiaohm | Something to be regulated. | Mar 20 12:43 |
| schestowitz | Yes, of course | Mar 20 12:46 |
| schestowitz | To 'secure' the public | Mar 20 12:46 |
| schestowitz | Rather than, say... the people who run the country and their interests | Mar 20 12:46 |
| schestowitz | In older days, in the US, they said explicitly that they need to capture "the minds of men" | Mar 20 12:47 |
| schestowitz | It's easier to control the minds than it is to control by force. Information on the Net -- however true -- can lead people to outrage | Mar 20 12:47 |
| oiaohm | ACMA its one of these entities that have even censored goverment websites and goverment advertising for being in breach. | Mar 20 12:48 |
| oiaohm | Think more CIA class enity but in control of media schestowitz. | Mar 20 12:49 |
| oiaohm | Goverments piss it off there adveristments will get tied up in red tape. | Mar 20 12:50 |
| oiaohm | ACMA does what is in ACMA best interest. | Mar 20 12:51 |
| oiaohm | Goverment suggested the idea of internet filters. So ACMA is doing it because that way it can get more resources. | Mar 20 12:52 |
| oiaohm | Note no law special was passed for the $11000 fines to web sites. ACMA went to court and argued and won that the internet was no different to any other media so fines for being in breach with videos and text applied to the internet. | Mar 20 12:54 |
| oiaohm | This is were the idea of scaring ACMA into backing down is not going to work. | Mar 20 12:54 |
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| schestowitz | oiaohm: CFR maybe, not CIA, but there might be overlap | Mar 20 12:57 |
| schestowitz | They are very open with regards to their intent, but most people would never explore | Mar 20 12:57 |
| oiaohm | ACMA provides all licences to use radio bandwith. Contains all rights to block content. Even has the right to call for raids searching for illegal videos. | Mar 20 12:59 |
| oiaohm | Issue here CFR powers are very limited compared to ACMA. | Mar 20 12:59 |
| oiaohm | I forget ACMA also works with customs on what videos and the like is allowed into Australia. | Mar 20 13:02 |
| oiaohm | Anyway you think that you can get content into Australia ACMA and the power to reach out and block. | Mar 20 13:03 |
| oiaohm | and/has | Mar 20 13:03 |
| oiaohm | They have no legal requirement to disclose what they are blocking. | Mar 20 13:03 |
| oiaohm | Even to the goverment of the day. | Mar 20 13:04 |
| oiaohm | This is why I said like CIA of Media. Just like CIA they don't have any goverment oversite to keep them in check. | Mar 20 13:04 |
| oiaohm | Also they cannot be charged for blocking the wrong things either schestowitz | Mar 20 13:06 |
| oiaohm | Messing with something like that is a very careful process. | Mar 20 13:06 |
| oiaohm | Only oversite current goverment has is the size of the ACMA budget. | Mar 20 13:09 |
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| schestowitz | Wow. This is Orwellian stuff. | Mar 20 13:16 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: yesterday David gerard was here. | Mar 20 13:16 |
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| schestowitz | He handles Wikipedia in the UK for the large part and they too had such issues (IWF) | Mar 20 13:17 |
| MinceR | j0 | Mar 20 13:17 |
| schestowitz | I suppose you heard about Killer Virgin and the UK losing access to portions of Wikipedia... | Mar 20 13:17 |
| oiaohm | Wikipedia from memory is USA for storage. So that leaves 4 data paths. China Asia Australia and basically straight to EU from USA. | Mar 20 13:19 |
| oiaohm | China path is blocked. | Mar 20 13:19 |
| oiaohm | 4 locations fall and USA is isolated. | Mar 20 13:19 |
| oiaohm | Internet is not as strong and lot of these trouble makers think. | Mar 20 13:20 |
| schestowitz | Where are the main Wikipedia servers? | Mar 20 13:27 |
| schestowitz | Holland? | Mar 20 13:28 |
| oiaohm | Wikimedia Foundation, Inc., P.O. Box 78350, San Francisco, 94107-8350, United States I would guess USA. | Mar 20 13:32 |
| oiaohm | Thinking that is the contact information for the wikipedia servers. | Mar 20 13:32 |
| schestowitz | zoobab01: check out http://boycottnovell.com/2009/03/2... | Mar 20 13:34 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: the server I am assigned to is in The Netherlands. | Mar 20 13:34 |
| oiaohm | Wikipedia does have global mirrors. | Mar 20 13:38 |
| oiaohm | http://personalpages.manchester.ac.uk... Netherlands would also be right for one of the crossing cables from the USA to EU. | Mar 20 13:40 |
| oiaohm | Yes a big bomb going off in some shipping channels would cause major internet problems. | Mar 20 13:41 |
| oiaohm | Also note how few fiber connections there are into Australia. | Mar 20 13:43 |
| oiaohm | Its why ACMA has the means really to filter everything entering australia. Link locations are limited. | Mar 20 13:45 |
| schestowitz | Proxies are hard to block | Mar 20 13:52 |
| schestowitz | Esp. if you encrypt | Mar 20 13:52 |
| schestowitz | They play with fire | Mar 20 13:52 |
| oiaohm | Really not. | Mar 20 13:55 |
| oiaohm | I have run business networks. With encrypted protocals blocked. | Mar 20 13:55 |
| oiaohm | This is the issue the level a system admin can go to is far more than what most people think. | Mar 20 13:56 |
| schestowitz | Someone recommended to me: http://www.newssift.com/about.jsp this new tool. I needed to enable JS to make it work. I try http://www.newssift.com/results.jsp... Looking for the RSS feed | Mar 20 13:56 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: Heh. Encrypted bad, transparent good. | Mar 20 13:57 |
| oiaohm | http://arstechnica.com/security/news... Intel not having a good week | Mar 20 13:57 |
| schestowitz | Remember the days when scientists tried to make connections secure and private | Mar 20 13:57 |
| oiaohm | transparent how. | Mar 20 13:57 |
| schestowitz | Secure to /US/ is not secure to /THEM/ (auth) | Mar 20 13:57 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: open to sniffing | Mar 20 13:58 |
| oiaohm | Hidding in https is not invisable. | Mar 20 13:58 |
| schestowitz | Intel's profit fell 90% in last quarters | Mar 20 13:58 |
| schestowitz | ATOM helps Intel NOT AT ALL | Mar 20 13:58 |
| schestowitz | But ARM makes PCs now | Mar 20 13:58 |
| oiaohm | How do you develop a auto script to detect if a user is trying to use a hidden proxy. | Mar 20 13:59 |
| schestowitz | $139 MIDs in China | Mar 20 13:59 |
| schestowitz | Intel has Moblin | Mar 20 13:59 |
| schestowitz | But how can it compete on these price points? | Mar 20 13:59 |
| schestowitz | Same with Windows (XP) | Mar 20 13:59 |
| schestowitz | $5 | Mar 20 13:59 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: auth=me lazy to type authorities | Mar 20 13:59 |
| oiaohm | Its really simple look for users with all traffic going to 1 website that is not known if it is or is not a proxy. | Mar 20 13:59 |
| oiaohm | Yes users are dumb enough to give away what hidden proxies they are using. | Mar 20 14:00 |
| *schestowitz writes about Linux winning Pwn2Own | Mar 20 14:00 | |
| oiaohm | This is where you screw up just because a proxy is working does not mean the actions of using are not giving away its existance. | Mar 20 14:00 |
| oiaohm | Its little bit like the myth that people have that tor is untrackable. | Mar 20 14:01 |
| schestowitz | Yes, assuming nodes are hidden | Mar 20 14:09 |
| *schestowitz got a reply from the European Commision | Mar 20 14:09 | |
| schestowitz | *ssion | Mar 20 14:09 |
| oiaohm | Tor is trackable as long as you have a link at both ends. | Mar 20 14:12 |
| oiaohm | Stuff in middle is not important. One they a Tor connection cannot change is the unchangable nature of time. | Mar 20 14:13 |
| oiaohm | If I can find the nodes or not is truly not important. | Mar 20 14:13 |
| oiaohm | Again actions provide trace schestowitz | Mar 20 14:17 |
| schestowitz | ]/me has never used TOR | Mar 20 14:17 |
| schestowitz | I set up a Web proxy on my server though, for testing purposes (e.g. blacklists, page testing, surfing from another country to detect localisation errors) | Mar 20 14:18 |
| oiaohm | Idea that something is hidden is only true until you start using it and risk making a spotable signal. | Mar 20 14:18 |
| oiaohm | Hidden something in the internet is just like trying to hide a radio single. | Mar 20 14:19 |
| oiaohm | Little bit of carelesses and its existance is there for all to see. | Mar 20 14:19 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.prwatch.org/node/8281 (Army Continues Anti-Explosive PR...) | Mar 20 14:51 |
| schestowitz | Criminals using PR agents to deflect criticism < http://www.huffingtonpost.com/eric-d... >. Chris Brown too use a PR agent after hitting his girlfriend, Rihanna. | Mar 20 14:53 |
| schestowitz | Harlan Ellison ANGRILY Sues Paramount Over His Old "Star Trek" Script < http://www.fictioncircus.com/new... > | Mar 20 14:56 |
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| schestowitz | benJIman: Stephan Binner has just posted to opensuse-announce. What's up with opensuse-planet? It's nice that some people stay to help despite Hovsepian stealing their wage and sacking them. | Mar 20 15:16 |
| Eruaran | TomTom tells Microsoft to get lost; Countersues - http://www.crn.com/software/215901395 | Mar 20 15:21 |
| schestowitz | http://www.pcworld.com/article/161... | Mar 20 15:21 |
| schestowitz | "That concerned Linux supporters, who worried that Microsoft might make good on past statements that it owns many patents for technologies used in Linux. But Microsoft said open source is not the focal point of its suit against TomTom. The case is about TomTom's specific implementation of the Linux kernel, Microsoft said." | Mar 20 15:22 |
| schestowitz | I have a post in BN about the suit too. | Mar 20 15:22 |
| schestowitz | Eruaran: thanks, I'll add the CRN ref | Mar 20 15:22 |
| Eruaran | Microsoft is always lieing | Mar 20 15:23 |
| schestowitz | Yes. | Mar 20 15:26 |
| schestowitz | Galring recent example: | Mar 20 15:26 |
| schestowitz | November 2008 (give or take a month): Microsoft says no layoffs are coming | Mar 20 15:26 |
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| Eruaran | Got a company meeting tomorrow | Mar 20 15:35 |
| Eruaran | Linux Mint is on the menu | Mar 20 15:36 |
| Eruaran | I put it there ;) | Mar 20 15:36 |
| schestowitz | 2009 and still in fear of using new hardware in GNU/Linux! < http://www.freesoftwaremagazine.com/a... > always works for me. | Mar 20 15:37 |
| Eruaran | Its not often we run into hardware problems with Linux these days | Mar 20 15:39 |
| Eruaran | You're more likely to find Asus have stuffed up their motherboards again and you need a BIOS update just to get them to work properly with Kingston RAM... | Mar 20 15:40 |
| schestowitz | GNOME is gittin' jiggy wit it: http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane... | Mar 20 15:41 |
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| schestowitz | Win for GNU/Linux: HP refunds 520$ for unused software < http://ernstfamily.ch/jonatha... > | Mar 20 15:44 |
| schestowitz | Keyboard layouts you can't use (because of intellectual monopolies): http://lwn.net/Articles/324232/ | Mar 20 15:46 |
| Eruaran | I wouldn't buy a HP notebook in the first place. The quality isn't good enough, nor is the warranty. | Mar 20 15:48 |
| Eruaran | They sell expensive notebooks with a pitiful 1 year warranty. They can get stuffed, I'm not advising anyone to buy that crap. | Mar 20 15:49 |
| Eruaran | The only brand that does 1 year warranties (and only on their low end) that I'd sell to someone is BenQ, because I know their motherboards wont die when the system is 13 months old. | Mar 20 15:50 |
| Eruaran | I send a nasty email to HP just recently | Mar 20 15:51 |
| Eruaran | After trying to get warranty service from HP for 6 months, someone who is now our client, gave up on HP and paid us to repair his faulty notebook for him. | Mar 20 15:52 |
| Eruaran | Those pathetic bastards wouldn't replace a faulty hard drive | Mar 20 15:53 |
| Eruaran | If it was Asus, the notebook would have a new hard drive and he'd get it back within 24 hours. | Mar 20 15:54 |
| Eruaran | We told him to take HP to small claims court but in the end he said he didn't want the hassle and just wanted it fixed. | Mar 20 15:55 |
| Eruaran | At one stage we dealt directly with HP ourselves over it. I found myself abusing some witless moron on the phone asking him why he thinks HP's hard drive tests are better than Seagates. | Mar 20 15:56 |
| Eruaran | HP's own tests picked up no faults, so they wouldn't replace it. Test the same hard drive with Seagate's tools, and the hard drive failed every time. | Mar 20 15:57 |
| Eruaran | EVERY TIME | Mar 20 15:57 |
| Eruaran | The customer was losing data, his notebook was slow and behaving wierd... clear cut, straightforward... but no... | Mar 20 15:58 |
| Eruaran | NEVER buy from HP | Mar 20 15:58 |
| schestowitz | Check this out: "Linux-based custom interface will appeal to a limited audience; won't work with most of your existing software." http://reviews.cnet.com/laptop... | Mar 20 15:59 |
| schestowitz | Are they assuming that everyone uses Windows? | Mar 20 15:59 |
| schestowitz | Or that no-one will install another version of Linux? | Mar 20 15:59 |
| schestowitz | HP played a role in Vista collusion it seemed | Mar 20 16:00 |
| Eruaran | translation: wont do exe files | Mar 20 16:00 |
| schestowitz | They were mentioned in April 2008 | Mar 20 16:00 |
| schestowitz | Then it was shown that they got angry at Microsoft | Mar 20 16:00 |
| Eruaran | Its Ubuntu, just install Wine | Mar 20 16:00 |
| schestowitz | Eruaran: exactly. Program=EXE | Mar 20 16:01 |
| schestowitz | Compuuter=Windows | Mar 20 16:01 |
| schestowitz | Linux=alien | Mar 20 16:01 |
| Eruaran | When I think of "flexability and familiarity" I don't think of Windows | Mar 20 16:01 |
| Eruaran | It has 512MB of RAM | Mar 20 16:02 |
| Eruaran | What Windows software does CNet think they're going to run on that these days ? | Mar 20 16:03 |
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| Eruaran | Good grief | Mar 20 16:14 |
| Eruaran | PC World, "Firefox May Already Be Dead" | Mar 20 16:14 |
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| Eruaran | Why does anyone pay any attention to retards like these | Mar 20 16:15 |
| schestowitz | CNET has deals with Mirosoft | Mar 20 16:17 |
| schestowitz | They also promote Vista for cash | Mar 20 16:17 |
| schestowitz | Asay wrote about it | Mar 20 16:17 |
| schestowitz | He works for them, pretending to be covering FOSS | Mar 20 16:17 |
| schestowitz | Eruaran: whose article? | Mar 20 16:17 |
| schestowitz | SJVN wrote something | Mar 20 16:17 |
| schestowitz | I doubt they renamed it though. PCWorld = IDG (Microsoft puppet) | Mar 20 16:17 |
| Eruaran | http://www.pcworld.com/article/1... | Mar 20 16:18 |
| Eruaran | Let me guess... Keir Thomas was comparing the Chrome alpha on Ubuntu with FF 3 and not FF 3.1/5 | Mar 20 16:19 |
| Eruaran | The article has no useful information in it at all | Mar 20 16:22 |
| Eruaran | And no redeeming qualities | Mar 20 16:22 |
| schestowitz | Gets them visits, so they are happy | Mar 20 16:24 |
| schestowitz | Provocation against Firefox users maybe. | Mar 20 16:24 |
| *schestowitz didn't read it (feed it) | Mar 20 16:24 | |
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| Eruaran | He links to another article telling how Firefox 3.1 beta is slower than other browsers... from December last year... everyone knows the current beta is much faster | Mar 20 16:25 |
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| schestowitz | Eruaran: yes, it is. | Mar 20 16:27 |
| schestowitz | Firefox is a leader because of extensions either way | Mar 20 16:27 |
| schestowitz | Some would enumerate and add security, but on GNU/Linux it hardly differs | Mar 20 16:27 |
| Eruaran | He also links to /. | Mar 20 16:28 |
| Eruaran | ... | Mar 20 16:28 |
| schestowitz | I don't like /. | Mar 20 16:28 |
| schestowitz | I actually view it as hostile, unlike GL | Mar 20 16:28 |
| Eruaran | Where you've got hundreds of people agreeing with him who are just comparing Chromium with their current version of FF | Mar 20 16:28 |
| Eruaran | Is this what Ubuntu is creating ? Dumb linux users ? | Mar 20 16:29 |
| schestowitz | Chromium? | Mar 20 16:29 |
| schestowitz | For what? Windows? | Mar 20 16:29 |
| schestowitz | I hardly care about that. | Mar 20 16:30 |
| schestowitz | And Microsoft can cheat with hidden calls/APIs, as usual | Mar 20 16:30 |
| schestowitz | Like it did to Netscape | Mar 20 16:30 |
| Eruaran | People are using the current alpha of Chrome | Mar 20 16:30 |
| Eruaran | on ubuntu | Mar 20 16:30 |
| Eruaran | which is Chromium | Mar 20 16:30 |
| Eruaran | It just annoys me that people are making dumb and useless comparisons | Mar 20 16:31 |
| Eruaran | I remember the days when, as a complete noob, Debian users would tell me to RTFM. | Mar 20 16:32 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft doesn't even do that | Mar 20 16:32 |
| schestowitz | It throws you at your next-door neighbour of some paid support company | Mar 20 16:33 |
| schestowitz | So Debian does better than the rest | Mar 20 16:33 |
| schestowitz | Except other distros that accommodate new users. | Mar 20 16:33 |
| schestowitz | Ubuntu seems intolerant of anything acidic | Mar 20 16:33 |
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| MinceR | i see /. as randomly moving between friendly and hostile | Mar 20 16:34 |
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| Eruaran | I have little time for /. | Mar 20 16:35 |
| schestowitz | Huge new win for Creative Commons: http://creativecommons.org/w... | Mar 20 16:35 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: yes, it has no backbone. It just accept Microsoft's money too. | Mar 20 16:36 |
| schestowitz | Superpower's 'Digg': The world’s most lucrative social network? China’s Tencent beats $1 billion revenue mark < http://venturebeat.com/2009/03/19/the-w... > | Mar 20 16:37 |
| MinceR | it's still not nearly as bad as digg, though | Mar 20 16:37 |
| MinceR | if only for the community. | Mar 20 16:37 |
| schestowitz | IBMLaris CoC: OpenSolaris Code of Conduct < http://blogs.sun.com/jimgris/en... > | Mar 20 16:39 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: s/ity/ism/ | Mar 20 16:39 |
| MinceR | access denied. | Mar 20 16:39 |
| schestowitz | sudo !! | Mar 20 16:40 |
| schestowitz | ./d3mocracy-player.sh | Mar 20 16:40 |
| schestowitz | IE8 is here, IE8 is hacked < http://www.daniweb.com/b... > | Mar 20 16:40 |
| schestowitz | Gmail Gets Undo < http://blogoscoped.com/archive... >. What next? Will Google grab a patent on that one? or a lawsuit from a troll? | Mar 20 16:41 |
| schestowitz | Wow. Must-see photos: http://www.boston.com/bigpicture/20... | Mar 20 16:45 |
| MinceR | Password: | Mar 20 16:45 |
| schestowitz | ****** | Mar 20 16:45 |
| MinceR | Sorry. | Mar 20 16:45 |
| MinceR | Password: | Mar 20 16:45 |
| schestowitz | ****** | Mar 20 16:45 |
| MinceR | Sorry. | Mar 20 16:45 |
| MinceR | Password: | Mar 20 16:45 |
| schestowitz | ***** | Mar 20 16:45 |
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| MinceR | sudo: 3 incorrect password attempts | Mar 20 16:46 |
| schestowitz | sudo reboot && fsck off | Mar 20 16:46 |
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| schestowitz | "A new research report out today details the fact that, despite the global economic meltdown, over 90 percent of Americans agree that the U.S. should act rapidly to combat global warming, including 34 percent who feel the U.S. should make a large-scale effort even if it costs a lot of money." < http://www.desmogblog.com/clima... > | Mar 20 16:47 |
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| jose_X | http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Regula... | Mar 20 17:21 |
| jose_X | ticketmaster had relationships to paul allen right? don't know about live nation (live?) | Mar 20 17:22 |
| jose_X | schestowitz, the title is "Regulator looks closer at Ticketmaster-Live Nation" | Mar 20 17:22 |
| jose_X | it would be good down the line to rally music lovers and artists exploited by the big companies to adopt foss (that goes on now, but it would be neat to have this tie be made public and loud). | Mar 20 17:23 |
| jose_X | associating exploitation of the small artist/business/user/etc with the small sw co or inventor (for patents) would be great since then the audience is larger and everyone comes along for the ride | Mar 20 17:24 |
| jose_X | of course, there are many similarities here.. the political ticket may fly. | Mar 20 17:25 |
| jose_X | check out this excuse: >>"Oddly, the better we sell tickets, the more unpopular we become," Diller said. | Mar 20 17:25 |
| jose_X | trying to downplay monopoly powers to appear as a victim of success and skill etc. | Mar 20 17:25 |
| jose_X | schestowitz, one final item... | Mar 20 17:26 |
| jose_X | ie8 apparently got a fix up very recently | Mar 20 17:26 |
| tessier_ | schestowitz: http://daveshields.wordpress.com/ | Mar 20 17:26 |
| tessier_ | schestowitz: Seems like an interesting guy to know. Used to work for IBM. | Mar 20 17:26 |
| jose_X | i noticed yahoo line ads saying how ie8 is optimized for yahoo | Mar 20 17:27 |
| jose_X | this might be an ad.. it might be a normal way for yahoo to take advantage and advertize their site.. | Mar 20 17:27 |
| jose_X | but it might hint at a closer relationship building between yahoo and ms | Mar 20 17:27 |
| schestowitz | Hey, jose_X | Mar 20 17:28 |
| jose_X | hey | Mar 20 17:28 |
| schestowitz | tessier / tessier_: I see his blog sometimes | Mar 20 17:29 |
| jose_X | if it was an ad, i got the feeling it was a yahoo ad.. the link (sorry, don't have it) was to one of those page saying that ie8 is not supported for my platform but please try our yahoo toolbar, etc. | Mar 20 17:29 |
