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wispygalaxyok thanks royApr 10 00:00
wispygalaxyon the front page of BN?Apr 10 00:00
schestowitzPostedApr 10 00:00
schestowitzwispygalaxy: well, I want to see what's up with their campaignApr 10 00:00
wispygalaxyah i just saw itApr 10 00:00
schestowitzStilll going... 10 00:00
schestowitzNot so strong anymore, thoughApr 10 00:00
wispygalaxyspread the love hahaApr 10 00:01
wispygalaxyi hope it will be okayApr 10 00:01
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schestowitz"Interesting article I found out about as well as some commentary below: They link to Microsoft's "Security Intelligence Report", where they essentially blame the user who doesn't patch their systems for security problems."Apr 10 00:08
wispygalaxycompiz never fails to impress me! 10 00:08
wispygalaxythis is your link, royApr 10 00:08
schestowitzwispygalaxy: watch the video in the latest links batchApr 10 00:08
schestowitzThat's the Free Culture stuff. I'll post more in the coming week (there are 8 parts)Apr 10 00:08
wispygalaxycompiz is so fast and amazingApr 10 00:08
wispygalaxycool, i'll be looking forward to itApr 10 00:09
schestowitzGotta put pressure on em now:  France says 'non' to three strikes law < > They'll try again and probably succeedApr 10 00:09
wispygalaxyglitzy stuff *does* matter, who wants to look at a boring UI all dayApr 10 00:10
wispygalaxyi couldnt stand the grey of win98Apr 10 00:10
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wispygalaxyoh i heard about that on Digg, roy, about the 3 strikes thingApr 10 00:10
schestowitzToday I saw WindowsApr 10 00:11
schestowitzNot on /my/ computerApr 10 00:11
schestowitzOf course it was XP, not VistaApr 10 00:11
wispygalaxywhew hahaApr 10 00:11
schestowitzVista was RTMed in 2006Apr 10 00:11
schestowitz2009 and it's nowhere.Apr 10 00:11
wispygalaxyegadsApr 10 00:11
schestowitzAnd it's ugly and primitiveApr 10 00:11
wispygalaxyand it ate too much RAM on my lappy :(Apr 10 00:11
wispygalaxydebian makes my HD so quietApr 10 00:11
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wispygalaxyi don't understand why XP is so ugly, wtf is up with the green fischer-price theme lolApr 10 00:13
_Hicham_hi wispygalaxyApr 10 00:13
wispygalaxyhey _hicham_ long time no seeApr 10 00:13
wispygalaxyi'm *still* not a 1337 gamer yetApr 10 00:14
wispygalaxyand i dont have a tricked-out laptop for gamesApr 10 00:14
_Hicham_schestowitz : i just saw that Mark Shuttleworth is going to rewrite Gnome, X11, and Kernel using MonoApr 10 00:15
_Hicham_wispygalaxy : try postal2Apr 10 00:15
_Hicham_there is some cool games for linuxApr 10 00:15
wispygalaxyyes tux racer is so cute!Apr 10 00:15
wispygalaxypenguins have a special place in my heart :PApr 10 00:16
wispygalaxyi'll look up postal2, thanksApr 10 00:16
_Hicham_postal2 worked like a charm on my laptopApr 10 00:18
wispygalaxymy lappy is a tad weak to play modern gamesApr 10 00:18
wispygalaxyi looked at the specs for some games- my processor is not good enough :(Apr 10 00:19
_Hicham_what config do u have?Apr 10 00:20
wispygalaxyi have a 1.73 GHz processor, many games want more than 1.8 GHzApr 10 00:20
wispygalaxyAnyway, my friend recently told me that he now uses OpenOffice.  He's a sociology major and can use it *easily*.Apr 10 00:21
_Hicham_is it a pentium M?Apr 10 00:23
wispygalaxycore 2 duoApr 10 00:23
_Hicham_u can run all linux games thenApr 10 00:24
_Hicham_commercial and free onesApr 10 00:24
wispygalaxyyay linux loves meApr 10 00:25
wispygalaxyany games you recommend?Apr 10 00:25
taconei love teeworldsApr 10 00:26
balzacI forgot to say something positive about the good news re: TomBoyApr 10 00:26
silentivmteeworlds is coolApr 10 00:26
taconeand more deep than it seems.Apr 10 00:26
_Hicham_wispygalaxy : waitApr 10 00:26
taconea lot to learn.Apr 10 00:27
balzacThat's nice to see a developer correct his courseApr 10 00:27
taconebalzac: it's a fork.Apr 10 00:27
balzacI won't rip out TomBoy from each Ubuntu installation if it's the C++ versionApr 10 00:27
taconefrom a ex-novell dev.Apr 10 00:27
wispygalaxyi'll look up teeworldsApr 10 00:27
balzacF--- C#!Apr 10 00:28
taconebalzac: there's an ubuntu ppa for the new tomboy afaikApr 10 00:28
wispygalaxylol balzacApr 10 00:28
_Hicham_wispygalaxy : here u go 10 00:28
wispygalaxyC# ripped off java :(Apr 10 00:28
wispygalaxythanks _hicham_Apr 10 00:28
taconewispygalaxy: a nice commercial game with a free demo is TowerOfGooApr 10 00:28
_Hicham_balzac : C# is a hideous creature from MicrosoftApr 10 00:28
wispygalaxyhaha i remember the penny arcade game, when it first came outApr 10 00:28
taconeit's awesomely made.Apr 10 00:29
wispygalaxytowerofgoo, sounds interesting hehe :)Apr 10 00:29
taconeit's very nice.Apr 10 00:29
wispygalaxygood graphics?Apr 10 00:29
balzacAnd it does a disservice the venerable legacy of C languagesApr 10 00:29
taconedownload the demo straight awayApr 10 00:29
taconeyes, pretty graphics, and quite creative.Apr 10 00:29
_Hicham_there is a game about cold warApr 10 00:29
wispygalaxyooooohApr 10 00:29
_Hicham_it is very goodApr 10 00:29
taconeyes it is.Apr 10 00:29
balzacIt's not a serious C language, but plenty of young developers will be fooledApr 10 00:29
taconeand runs at hi-resolution on my box <3Apr 10 00:30
wispygalaxyopengl is involved?Apr 10 00:30
wispygalaxyi personally think opengl looks greatApr 10 00:30
taconeguess yes.Apr 10 00:30
_Hicham_wispygalaxy : of course openglApr 10 00:30
wispygalaxyit's better looking than using directxApr 10 00:31
taconewispygalaxy: the demo is free. download it. it's some hours of fun.Apr 10 00:31
wispygalaxysure, i will :)Apr 10 00:31
taconegotta goApr 10 00:31
taconegood nightApr 10 00:31
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wispygalaxysee ya tacone!Apr 10 00:31
wispygalaxybalzac: c vs c++?Apr 10 00:32
wispygalaxyheheApr 10 00:32
schestowitz_Hicham_: seen the shuttleeorth pieceApr 10 00:32
schestowitzlinus formatApr 10 00:32
schestowitz*linux formatApr 10 00:32
schestowitzi spoke to them about mono problemsApr 10 00:32
_Hicham_schestowitz : it is just April Fools Day?Apr 10 00:33
_Hicham_or is it for real?Apr 10 00:33
schestowitzyesApr 10 00:35
schestowitzjokeApr 10 00:35
_Hicham_schestowitz : Shuttleworth's view about Mono hasn't changedApr 10 00:36
_Hicham_he still supports monoApr 10 00:36
wispygalaxythat's too bad :(Apr 10 00:37
_Hicham_wispygalaxy : what kind of games do u like?Apr 10 00:38
wispygalaxyi like fantasy gamesApr 10 00:39
wispygalaxyplaystation has the perfect game library for meApr 10 00:40
wispygalaxythe wii is a bit childish for my tasteApr 10 00:40
_Hicham_wispygalaxy : then there is too games for u on linuxApr 10 00:45
_Hicham_commercial onesApr 10 00:45
wispygalaxyi play games on the pc and consoleApr 10 00:46
wispygalaxyso i'm glad there are linux games :DApr 10 00:46
_Hicham_Penumbra: Black Plague  , Penumbra: OvertureApr 10 00:46
_Hicham_they r both Adventure/Fantasy gamesApr 10 00:46
wispygalaxythanks for all these titlesApr 10 00:47
_Hicham_u r welcomeApr 10 00:48
_Hicham_for postal2, u may have to do this for the sound to work : sudo modprobe snd_pcm_ossApr 10 00:49
wispygalaxyi'll keep that in mind, thanksApr 10 00:50
wispygalaxyhicham, do you use debian nowApr 10 00:51
_Hicham_yesApr 10 00:51
_Hicham_I use a mixture of stable, testing, unstable and experimentalApr 10 00:51
wispygalaxyisn't it wonderful? :)Apr 10 00:51
_Hicham_it is just greatApr 10 00:51
_Hicham_what i like the most is its stabilityApr 10 00:52
_Hicham_never had a problem with itApr 10 00:52
wispygalaxyno crashes, speedy, looks gorgeous, etcApr 10 00:52
_Hicham_everything just works !Apr 10 00:52
wispygalaxyyes, it does ^_^Apr 10 00:52
_Hicham_and works great by the way !Apr 10 00:52
_Hicham_I find that even debian experimental packages are more stable than ubuntu's packagesApr 10 00:53
_Hicham_it has really a great quality assurance systemApr 10 00:53
wispygalaxythe debian team is committed to stabilityApr 10 00:53
wispygalaxythe ubuntu guys are interested in cool new softwareApr 10 00:53
wispygalaxyfor some people, they want rock-solid software and do not care about the bleeding-edge stuffApr 10 00:54
wispygalaxybut i do want to test out fedora, experimenting is fun ;)Apr 10 00:54
_Hicham_wispygalaxy : fedora is great alsoApr 10 00:54
_Hicham_it is the most cutting edge for the momentApr 10 00:55
_Hicham_try Fedora 11 AlphaApr 10 00:55
wispygalaxyi will try :)Apr 10 00:55
_Hicham_nonetheless, Fedora suffers from its packaging systemApr 10 00:55
_Hicham_stillApr 10 00:55
wispygalaxyah yes, yumApr 10 00:55
_Hicham_yesApr 10 00:55
_Hicham_yum has a long way to go to catch up with aptApr 10 00:56
wispygalaxyapt-get goodness for me in debianApr 10 00:56
wispygalaxyand for debian's babiesApr 10 00:56
wispygalaxylike ubuntu, elive, etc.Apr 10 00:56
_Hicham_yesApr 10 00:57
_Hicham_I tested fedora 10Apr 10 00:57
_Hicham_it is very goodApr 10 00:57
_Hicham_but the packagekit isn't as good as synapticApr 10 00:58
wispygalaxythanks for helping out the fedora community by testing it :)Apr 10 00:58
wispygalaxyi haven't tried yum yet, i hope it is awesome!Apr 10 00:58
wispygalaxyanyway, i love how nowadays you can boot from usb devicesApr 10 00:58
wispygalaxyyou don't need to waste CDs anymoreApr 10 00:59
_Hicham_booting from USB devices saves me from using Windows when I am not on my computerApr 10 01:00
wispygalaxya lifesaver!Apr 10 01:00
wispygalaxyoops, be right backApr 10 01:01
_Hicham_okApr 10 01:01
schestowitzAn exposition, however long overdue, about  NPD-Microsoft relationship: 10 01:02
schestowitzAnother part of Microsoft is dying/died: (Microsoft Breaks Up Its Live Labs Group)Apr 10 01:04
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_Hicham_wb oiaohmApr 10 01:15
oiaohmBlender game engine now has 2 commerical game makers looking at it.Apr 10 01:17
oiaohmThis could get interesting for those who say Linux has few games if more follow.Apr 10 01:17
_Hicham_linux has some interesting gamesApr 10 01:18
_Hicham_i am talking about commercial onesApr 10 01:18
_Hicham_i just tried postal2, it is just greatApr 10 01:18
_Hicham_it works like a charm on my debian lennyApr 10 01:19
oiaohmThe commerical game makers 1 has highered staff to work on the open source engine.  The other is looking at joining.Apr 10 01:19
oiaohmWith blender UI inprovements we will have universal game creator.Apr 10 01:20
schestowitzAnother tough day for Microsoft is a sigh of relief to Free software: 10 01:20
_Hicham_it would be great to see all Windows Games ported to LinuxApr 10 01:20
*schestowitz will be back in the morningApr 10 01:20
silentivmnice, I hope someday it will be possible to create game with a fully-open source toolsetApr 10 01:20
silentivm*create gamesApr 10 01:21
_Hicham_Microsoft is dead, dead, dead, fucking deadApr 10 01:21
oiaohmBleeding _Hicham_ not dead yet.Apr 10 01:21
oiaohmsilentivm: blender you can.  Issue is UI.Apr 10 01:21
silentivmyepApr 10 01:22
oiaohmblenders current UI that is being replaced basically predates Windows and Linux existance.Apr 10 01:22
silentivmI tried to learn Blender once, found its interface too confusingApr 10 01:22
oiaohmNew interface is on way with programgramable key board short cuts new logic system.  Yep most of the head aches fixed.Apr 10 01:23
silentivmI hopeApr 10 01:23
silentivm:)Apr 10 01:23
_Hicham_I hope so tooApr 10 01:24
_Hicham_games will be cross-platformApr 10 01:25
_Hicham_since MS is loosing market to LinuxApr 10 01:25
oiaohm  << The UI rework projectApr 10 01:25
oiaohmLogic block are gone from blender.Apr 10 01:27
oiaohmThose web of I don't know what in heck it doing system.Apr 10 01:27
_Hicham_oiaohm : how long is MS going to live?Apr 10 01:28
oiaohmThey have atleast another 5 years of bleeding to go.Apr 10 01:29
_Hicham_at least 5 years?Apr 10 01:29
oiaohmWith good management they can life to the other side.Apr 10 01:29
balzacoiaohm: I enjoyed reading the good news about blenderApr 10 01:29
balzacI'm very good at modelling in blender, BTWApr 10 01:29
oiaohmI hate using the old blender UI.Apr 10 01:30
silentivmI'm not. In fact, I'm not good at anything which involves art :(Apr 10 01:30
balzacsilentivm: if you like emacs, you might also like blenderApr 10 01:30
_Hicham_that means that they can recover during this 5 years?Apr 10 01:30
silentivmI've used Emacs, but not oftenApr 10 01:30
silentivmno problems with itApr 10 01:30
oiaohmcut paste and copy being different to everything else causes me all kinda of problems.Apr 10 01:30
oiaohmMeans to set out keymaps without having to rebuilt from source will make me happer with blender.Apr 10 01:31
balzacblender is very customizable, and each "window" can be assigned to any "buffer"Apr 10 01:31
silentivmmakes senseApr 10 01:31
balzacsplit the windows how you want, switch between preset arrangementsApr 10 01:31
balzacmake heavy use of keybindings...Apr 10 01:31
silentivmhmmmApr 10 01:31
balzacwhat could be better than blender? it's such a tiny download too.Apr 10 01:32
balzacwith python for scriptingApr 10 01:32
oiaohmI guess you will be like me happy to see logic bricks go balzacApr 10 01:32
oiaohmAnd replaced with something more usable.Apr 10 01:32
balzacoiaohm: I basically know nothing more than modellingApr 10 01:32
balzacbut I did watch a video on that, and it looked weakApr 10 01:32
wispygalaxyi'm back!Apr 10 01:32
balzacyou've got to start somewhere, and game development is not simpleApr 10 01:32
wispygalaxyhello, oiaohmApr 10 01:33
balzacwb wispygalaxyApr 10 01:33
wispygalaxyi'm wispyApr 10 01:33
oiaohmHi wispygalaxyApr 10 01:33
wispygalaxythanks balzac!Apr 10 01:33
wispygalaxyyou guys talking about gamesApr 10 01:34
wispygalaxyi was talking to hicham about thatApr 10 01:34
oiaohmblender game development of a simple game has always been simple.    It was how complex the logic blocks got that stuffed it for doing more complex games.Apr 10 01:34
oiaohmstarted off with blender and it getting a commerical game maker working on it.Apr 10 01:34
balzaci knew that would happen eventuallyApr 10 01:35
balzacgreat newsApr 10 01:35
balzacI know the perfect youtube video to celebrateApr 10 01:35
balzac 10 01:36
wispygalaxyhaha!Apr 10 01:37
_Hicham_oiaohm : who is this commercial game maker?Apr 10 01:37
balzacthat video never fails to put a smile on my faceApr 10 01:38
oiaohm  They are not EA arts just name looks close.Apr 10 01:38
balzacI'm like gimli: eeeee hee hee! [clap!]Apr 10 01:39
wispygalaxyXDApr 10 01:39
_Hicham_oiaohm : if EA starts developing games for Linux only, MS will be fucking dead, dead, deadApr 10 01:42
oiaohm_Hicham_: MS could be around for a long time to come.Apr 10 01:43
oiaohmEven after Windows and xboxs are distance memories.Apr 10 01:44
oiaohmThe question is if there management is smart enough.   SUN is trying to merge with other compamines but it has been the walking dead for 20 years.Apr 10 01:45
wispygalaxyall my pals say that if linux had brand-spanking new games, they wouls use itApr 10 01:45
wispygalaxybut i tell them there are plently of good games out thereApr 10 01:45
wispygalaxyfor linuxApr 10 01:45
oiaohmThere are a lot of things changing this year.Apr 10 01:46
_Hicham_oiaohm : examples?Apr 10 01:46
wispygalaxyi'd say the netbook market, newer and cooler productonsApr 10 01:46
balzacyeah, games are one of Microsoft's last reasons people stick aroundApr 10 01:46
oiaohmGallium3D Unifined back end for 3d graphics.   It was design to have opengl and direct x stacked on top.Apr 10 01:47
wispygalaxythe majority of people i know who play games use the wiiApr 10 01:47
oiaohmThinking gallium3d will be released on Linux first.  But it opens up the path for wine developers to more directly hook up there Direct X to the video card.Apr 10 01:48
wispygalaxyopengl is awesome, i hope development will continieApr 10 01:48
wispygalaxycontinue*Apr 10 01:48
balzacMicrosoft has these deals with hardware manufacturers to subsidize or punish them for withholding their driver code from Linux kernel compatibilityApr 10 01:48
oiaohmDRI2 work to stablised Linux graphical envorment.Apr 10 01:48
wispygalaxyremember the foxconn scandal last dummer?Apr 10 01:49
wispygalaxysummer*Apr 10 01:49
balzacif Microsoft loses game developers, they lose the special relationship with those hardware manufacturers, and they lose everythingApr 10 01:49
_Hicham_Fuck MS, fuck their shitty OSApr 10 01:49
oiaohmThen thinks like androd that say too hell with X11.Apr 10 01:49
balzacif GNU & Linux is better for gamers, (and it soon will be), M$ is up the creek without a paddleApr 10 01:49
wispygalaxyownedApr 10 01:49
oiaohmMS always has a paddle just a reducing 1.Apr 10 01:50
balzac_Hicham_: you are very passionate about M$, in a dirty way, apparentlyApr 10 01:50
oiaohmMS power is there intergration between parts.Apr 10 01:50
balzac"Dirty deeds, done dirt cheap!"Apr 10 01:50
wispygalaxyeven more so in the past, you have to pay attention to what your customer wants.  they don't want unsecure OSes when privacy concerns are growingApr 10 01:50
wispygalaxylinux offers them a good solutionApr 10 01:51
wispygalaxygnu/linuxApr 10 01:51
balzac_Hicham_: Steve Ballmer might have some words for you, my friend.Apr 10 01:51
oiaohmLinux still need work.Apr 10 01:51
oiaohmBut its getting there.Apr 10 01:51
balzacif he knew of your passion...Apr 10 01:51
_Hicham_balzac : I liked his "Developers" Remix on youtubeApr 10 01:51
wispygalaxyi can't imagine using ballmer and passion in the same sentence!Apr 10 01:51
wispygalaxytoo scaryApr 10 01:52
_Hicham_Ballmer, bald headApr 10 01:52
_Hicham_good to be hit with a big hammerApr 10 01:52
_Hicham_right on his bald headApr 10 01:52
balzaca pieApr 10 01:53
wispygalaxyi pity him, almost, since he can't be coolApr 10 01:53
wispygalaxyhas to act like a clownApr 10 01:53
oiaohmBallmer did not start MS problems.Apr 10 01:53
balzacno hammers, no bloody-mindednessApr 10 01:53
oiaohmHe is the poor guy stuck with it.Apr 10 01:53
*balzac slaps _Hicham_ around with a large troutApr 10 01:54
wispygalaxyfood fightApr 10 01:54
balzac(not a trouser-trout, a fish-market trout)Apr 10 01:54
wispygalaxy*wispygalaxy throws eggs at ballmerApr 10 01:54
wispygalaxyi know, haha balzacApr 10 01:55
balzacwouldn't want to give the wrong impression about my feelings or lack-thereof for you _Hicham_Apr 10 01:55
balzacjkApr 10 01:55
wispygalaxyroflApr 10 01:55
_Hicham_balzac : don't worryApr 10 01:56
balzacdon't pity ballmerApr 10 01:56
wispygalaxyi guess i shouldn't hehApr 10 01:56
balzache has so much money to wipe the tears from his eyesApr 10 01:56
wispygalaxyand the sweat off his headApr 10 01:57
balzaci feel sorry for me. where's all my money? where's my yacht?Apr 10 01:57
wispygalaxyask obamaApr 10 01:57
wispygalaxyhe'll give you a bailoutApr 10 01:57
wispygalaxyjk :)Apr 10 01:58
balzacJust as long as it doesn't come in the form of a "stimulus package"Apr 10 01:58
_Hicham_balzac :  u will be the top billionaire in the world soonApr 10 01:58
balzac_Hicham_: you will be a high-ranking executive, if my dreams come true.Apr 10 01:58
balzacjust for saying that.Apr 10 01:58
silentivmXDApr 10 01:59
wispygalaxyyou guys are such good buddies lolApr 10 02:00
wispygalaxy:)Apr 10 02:00
balzacwell, I say nice things about certain rich people, so they should let the rope ladder down for meApr 10 02:00
wispygalaxygovt spending will pump too much money in the economyApr 10 02:00
balzac=]Apr 10 02:00
wispygalaxyah, i see heheApr 10 02:00
balzacI've even praised Bernie MadoffApr 10 02:01
wispygalaxyhope they won't cut it right before you get to the top!Apr 10 02:01
balzacbut I don't praise them indiscriminantlyApr 10 02:01
wispygalaxymy finance teacher wanted madoffApr 10 02:01
wispygalaxymadoff's head*Apr 10 02:01
balzacI praise George Soros, but not Bill GatesApr 10 02:01
balzache must have been jealous of MadoffApr 10 02:01
wispygalaxyi think so XDApr 10 02:01
balzacjkApr 10 02:01
wispygalaxywell, my prof did make a bit of money off bondsApr 10 02:02
balzaci pity the guy. we'll see how his sentencing goes.Apr 10 02:02
wispygalaxyhe's not really talkingApr 10 02:02
_Hicham_good night friendsApr 10 02:02
wispygalaxybye hicham!Apr 10 02:02
*_Hicham_ has quit ("Leaving.")Apr 10 02:02
wispygalaxyif he'd cooperate, the judge said he'd be lenientApr 10 02:02
balzacthere went _hitcham_ while I was in another channelApr 10 02:03
wispygalaxymadoff had constantly outperformed the market, and that did not raise any red flagsApr 10 02:03
wispygalaxyit is very abnormal to perform like thatApr 10 02:03
balzaclenient when he's facing 150 years could still mean he dies in jailApr 10 02:03
wispygalaxyeven warren buffet has down yearsApr 10 02:03
balzacnot likely, but possibleApr 10 02:03
wispygalaxyhe's already oldApr 10 02:03
wispygalaxymy prof said that about buffetApr 10 02:04
balzacbuffet just had a big down year, if i'm not mistakenApr 10 02:04
wispygalaxyeveryone did :(Apr 10 02:04
wispygalaxybut my family isn't really hurting that much, to be honest.  my dad is a careful investorApr 10 02:05
balzacthese days, careful investors are buying gasoline, guns, ammo, and canned foodApr 10 02:06
balzacactually, it's not necessarily that bad yetApr 10 02:06
wispygalaxyi heard that stockpiling's been happeningApr 10 02:07
balzaci'm just saying... how much worse can it get? do we really know?Apr 10 02:07
wispygalaxywhen will america wake upApr 10 02:07
balzacwhen george bush's neck is stretched, that's when!Apr 10 02:07
wispygalaxylolApr 10 02:08
balzacthat was pretty gnarly to sayApr 10 02:08
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wispygalaxyyes hahaApr 10 02:08
wispygalaxybut ballmer's said crazier lolApr 10 02:09
balzacwelp, time for me to head outApr 10 02:09
balzacnice chattingApr 10 02:10
balzactoodle-looApr 10 02:10
wispygalaxysee ya balzac :)Apr 10 02:10
balzaccya wispygalaxy =]Apr 10 02:10
wispygalaxyhave a fab weekendApr 10 02:10
balzacyeah, this is the one with the big stripping contestApr 10 02:11
balzacthis saturday, a woman will be crowned top-stripperApr 10 02:11
wispygalaxywhere is thatApr 10 02:11
balzacbrooklyn nycApr 10 02:11
wispygalaxythat's a bit far awayApr 10 02:11
balzacyou're in england?Apr 10 02:12
wispygalaxyNJApr 10 02:12
wispygalaxynew joisey :PApr 10 02:13
balzacoh, I thought you were in england because a few folks in here know Roy from living there.Apr 10 02:13
wispygalaxynah, but i have a lot of friends from thereApr 10 02:13
wispygalaxyi guess i like people from there :)Apr 10 02:13
balzacdrop me a line if you likeApr 10 02:13
wispygalaxyok npApr 10 02:13
balzacttylApr 10 02:14
wispygalaxysee youApr 10 02:14
wispygalaxy*ping* schestowitzApr 10 02:16
wispygalaxyoh schez, where art thou? ;)Apr 10 02:18
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wispygalaxyroy????Apr 10 02:24
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wispygalaxyi guess he's tucked away in bed, sleepingApr 10 02:33
wispygalaxynight night all, i'm off tooApr 10 02:33
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schestowitzMorning..Apr 10 07:49
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schestowitz ...Apr 10 08:06
oiaohmThat guy is hitting the points.Apr 10 08:16
schestowitzYes, watch all partsApr 10 08:27
schestowitzVery reasonable explanationApr 10 08:27
oiaohmI forget to mention the other thing due to the ext4 stuff up the maintainer of the ext filesystems lost his direct submit rights to the Linux kernel.Apr 10 08:33
oiaohmPrice of screwing up in Linux kernel features is high.Apr 10 08:33
schestowitzWho is he working for?Apr 10 08:54
schestowitzThe Gavin Clarke POS is still dropping anti-Linux headlines in The Register. Unless they want to become an MS publication, they really ought to kick out those MS moles.Apr 10 08:55
schestowitzKelly is another MS mole... I might just stop reading it after years.Apr 10 08:56
schestowitzBN is doing over 2k pages/hour in recent days. We really ought to organise the material in the site better.Apr 10 08:58
schestowitzConficker Using MySpace, eBay As A Clock < >Apr 10 09:02
schestowitzWSJ To Google: Do What We Say, Not What We Do < >Apr 10 09:03
schestowitzCYBER THREATS TO INFRASTRUCTURE < >Apr 10 09:13
schestowitz "A Moldovan activist faces criminal charges for organizing demonstrations that were enabled by social networking tools like Twitter and Facebook, the Russian press reports. "Apr 10 09:14
schestowitzOrganising protests is a crime now? Wow. Goodbye, democracy.Apr 10 09:15
schestowitzMinceR: 10 09:17
schestowitzLinux-based tablets for under $200? 10 09:24
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schestowitzLinux Foundation CEO: Linux is "fastest growing platform" < >Apr 10 09:39
MinceR"The office of deputy state secretary Ferenc did not yet respond to questions."Apr 10 09:42
MinceRi lol'dApr 10 09:42
MinceR(Ferenc is his first name)Apr 10 09:42
schestowitzFor years I have watched the NPD-Microsoft connection. Now that they spew anti-Linux FUD I presented evidence. Maybe it's a little off topic, but FWIW: 10 09:46
schestowitzFerret?Apr 10 09:46
MinceRit isn't very nice to small mammals to draw such parallels. :>Apr 10 09:47
schestowitz "The anti-Linux propaganda du jour, being dutifully parroted by "news" publications everywhere, is that Windows now owns 96% of the netbook market, and that Linux netbooks are returned four times more than windows netbooks. Both are untrue and have been debunked repeatedly. Yet they persist-- why?"Apr 10 09:47
schestowitz"I think Microsoft is growing increasingly desperate, and in hard economic times is finding equally desperate publications who will say anything for a few bucks. Which may be a harsh judgment, but I would rather believe that than believe they simply don't care to do even the simplest, most basic fact-checking, or are such hard-core Microsoft fanboys.."Apr 10 09:48
schestowitz"...that they are only pretending to be journalists when they are really stringers for Microsoft's marketing department. How else can we explain the same nonsense repeated endlessly, their allergies to saying "Windows" and "malware" in the same sentence, the short shrift given to non-Windows software, the mind-boggling assumption that Windows is computing? "Apr 10 09:48
MinceRoh, wait, i think this might be a different person from the one i thought ofApr 10 09:48
MinceRand i won't research it, so never mind :>Apr 10 09:48
schestowitzFerrets are good for researchApr 10 09:48
schestowitzWe use them here for CT scans and such.Apr 10 09:48
schestowitzThey are bred for experiments :-(Apr 10 09:49
oiaohmConficker is using every trick to avoid containment.Apr 10 09:51
oiaohmWe may see the first major failure of Anti-virus companies.Apr 10 09:51
schestowitzIfeel the painApr 10 09:51
schestowitzMany people do... it's DDOSing on the Web.Apr 10 09:51
oiaohmResposnce system is almost as bad as the infection.Apr 10 09:52
MinceRwho are the targets of the DDoS?Apr 10 09:52
oiaohmCorrect that.Apr 10 09:52
oiaohmWorse than the infection.Apr 10 09:52
oiaohmIts not exactly DDos.Apr 10 09:52
oiaohmDNS servers are trying to block Conficker from connection.Apr 10 09:53
oiaohmConficker infected servers also block particular sites.Apr 10 09:53
oiaohmSo we have a DNS messApr 10 09:53
oiaohmSo far holding up fairly well.Apr 10 09:53

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