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| trmanco | wine uses ms fonts | Apr 13 16:22 |
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| trmanco | wine has the need to use* | Apr 13 16:22 |
| DaemonFC | no, Ubuntu pulls them in as a dependency | Apr 13 16:27 |
| DaemonFC | but Wine can use Liberation fonts | Apr 13 16:27 |
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| DaemonFC | Zune is failing | Apr 13 16:43 |
| DaemonFC | Microsoft disbanded that unit in February and this may be the last revision of the hardware | Apr 13 16:43 |
| schestowitz | ANy source for that info? | Apr 13 16:46 |
| schestowitz | "last revision" <- | Apr 13 16:46 |
| DaemonFC | The Register | Apr 13 16:49 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/0... | Apr 13 16:49 |
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| schestowitz | Why even bother with another iteration? | Apr 13 16:53 |
| DaemonFC | Heh | Apr 13 16:53 |
| DaemonFC | I mentioned in one of my videos that the only thing the Zune and iPod have in common is that they both support MP3 as a fallback | Apr 13 16:54 |
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| DaemonFC | And that if you bought either one and modded the firmware to play Free formats, they'd refuse to service your battery when it fails | Apr 13 16:55 |
| DaemonFC | so even if you manage to fix it, then enjoy it for the full year until the battery needs replaced | Apr 13 16:57 |
| trmanco | http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/5720/watso... | Apr 13 17:03 |
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| _Hicham_ | Hi schestowitz ! | Apr 13 17:07 |
| schestowitz | Hi, what's up? | Apr 13 17:07 |
| _Hicham_ | no news about IBM and Sun? | Apr 13 17:08 |
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| schestowitz | Not that I know of. I haven't read the news today | Apr 13 17:15 |
| schestowitz | I work on other stuff. Not my hobby.... | Apr 13 17:15 |
| DaemonFC | I hope IBM does take Sun over | Apr 13 17:23 |
| DaemonFC | Sun has proven unwilling to work with Linux | Apr 13 17:23 |
| DaemonFC | maybe IBM will GPL ZFS | Apr 13 17:23 |
| *DaemonFC loves acronyms | Apr 13 17:23 | |
| DaemonFC | that's really the only good part of Solaris is their file system | Apr 13 17:24 |
| DaemonFC | I was really unimpressed with the rest | Apr 13 17:24 |
| DaemonFC | but ZFS kicks ass | Apr 13 17:25 |
| Balrog | btrfs is going to kick ZFS | Apr 13 17:28 |
| DaemonFC | who knows what it will do? | Apr 13 17:29 |
| DaemonFC | the important bits are missing | Apr 13 17:29 |
| DaemonFC | What something is designed to do and what you get when you build it are not always the same thing ;) | Apr 13 17:30 |
| DaemonFC | besides, you can never have enough file systems, gotta catch 'em all! | Apr 13 17:31 |
| *DaemonFC throws out Pokeball "I choose you XFS" "EXTENTS EXTENTS!!!" | Apr 13 17:31 | |
| DaemonFC | :P | Apr 13 17:31 |
| _Hicham_ | DaemonFC : did u ever try Linux from Scratch? | Apr 13 17:33 |
| DaemonFC | nope | Apr 13 17:33 |
| DaemonFC | package managers are your friend | Apr 13 17:35 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Apr 13 17:35 |
| DaemonFC | binary packages are your binary pals that are fun to play with | Apr 13 17:35 |
| _Hicham_ | DaemonFC : so u r not interested in compiling everything from scratch? | Apr 13 17:36 |
| DaemonFC | absolutely not | Apr 13 17:36 |
| DaemonFC | that is crazy | Apr 13 17:37 |
| Eruaran | I've been taking my first baby steps with Python | Apr 13 17:37 |
| Eruaran | I like Python :) | Apr 13 17:37 |
| Eruaran | I like the Eric IDE too, which I'm using | Apr 13 17:39 |
| DaemonFC | Why in the name of Zeus' butthole is Ubuntu backporting patches for GTK+ that fix Windows and Cygwin bugs? | Apr 13 17:40 |
| DaemonFC | 538840 [Win32] GTK menu theming could be improved | Apr 13 17:41 |
| DaemonFC | 575644 Cygwin gail build patch | Apr 13 17:41 |
| Eruaran | I'll take a wild guess | Apr 13 17:42 |
| Eruaran | wooby ? | Apr 13 17:42 |
| Eruaran | portable ubuntu ? | Apr 13 17:43 |
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| DaemonFC | oh right | Apr 13 17:58 |
| DaemonFC | 3rd party stuff? | Apr 13 17:58 |
| DaemonFC | may doesn't matter if it's not an Ubuntu project | Apr 13 17:58 |
| DaemonFC | idiots will still blame Ubuntu | Apr 13 17:59 |
| DaemonFC | so they'r trying to prevent that | Apr 13 17:59 |
| _Hicham__ | Ubuntu is not to blame | Apr 13 17:59 |
| _Hicham__ | they do what they can | Apr 13 17:59 |
| DaemonFC | *maybe it | Apr 13 17:59 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, not what I meant | Apr 13 17:59 |
| DaemonFC | I meant even though it's not an Ubuntu project | Apr 13 17:59 |
| DaemonFC | people will see the name Ubuntu in it | Apr 13 17:59 |
| _Hicham__ | which project are u talking about? | Apr 13 18:00 |
| DaemonFC | and blame Ubuntu if it eats babies when they run it on Windows | Apr 13 18:00 |
| DaemonFC | Portable Ubuntu | Apr 13 18:00 |
| _Hicham__ | ah | Apr 13 18:00 |
| DaemonFC | <Eruaran> portable ubuntu ? | Apr 13 18:00 |
| Eruaran | yes | Apr 13 18:00 |
| Eruaran | I only heard about it recently myself | Apr 13 18:00 |
| _Hicham__ | Linux should standardized | Apr 13 18:00 |
| DaemonFC | Eruaran: I mentioned it in a video | Apr 13 18:00 |
| _Hicham__ | especially for package management | Apr 13 18:00 |
| DaemonFC | on how to try Linux with Windows left intact | Apr 13 18:01 |
| _Hicham__ | package management is a mess for now | Apr 13 18:01 |
| DaemonFC | said it sounded like an awful idea | Apr 13 18:01 |
| DaemonFC | and I'd never use it | Apr 13 18:01 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Apr 13 18:01 |
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| _Hicham__ | there should be one package format | Apr 13 18:01 |
| _Hicham__ | and universal naming convention | Apr 13 18:01 |
| Eruaran | Basically what you get is the top bar of the GNOME desktop floating on your Windows desktop | Apr 13 18:01 |
| _Hicham__ | fuck Windows | Apr 13 18:02 |
| Eruaran | And you can run programs from it that might be on your USB key or whatever | Apr 13 18:02 |
| Eruaran | I'm not sure I see the point myself | Apr 13 18:02 |
| _Hicham__ | there is no point | Apr 13 18:02 |
| _Hicham__ | better use the live cd | Apr 13 18:03 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v... | Apr 13 18:03 |
| DaemonFC | heh | Apr 13 18:03 |
| MinceR | what if that one package format happens to suck? | Apr 13 18:04 |
| _Hicham__ | MinceR : it won't | Apr 13 18:04 |
| _Hicham__ | it will be an international consortium | Apr 13 18:04 |
| DaemonFC | I generally hate RPM | Apr 13 18:04 |
| DaemonFC | and that's most distros | Apr 13 18:05 |
| _Hicham__ | with no bias for one package format | Apr 13 18:05 |
| _Hicham__ | DaemonFC : rpm is used a lot commercially | Apr 13 18:05 |
| MinceR | and international consortiums never make mistakes, as we all know | Apr 13 18:05 |
| MinceR | i've heard rpm is still pretty messy now | Apr 13 18:05 |
| DaemonFC | I hate building them, I hate how slow every RPM front end is, I hate how they crap up your disk with thousands of .rpmnew files when they upgrade | Apr 13 18:05 |
| MinceR | when you upgrade a package, post-remove, pre-install and such scripts run in an illogical order | Apr 13 18:06 |
| DaemonFC | lots of other things I'm probably not remembering | Apr 13 18:06 |
| _Hicham__ | MinceR : at least software deployment will be simplified | Apr 13 18:06 |
| _Hicham__ | and that will help kicking Windows' ass | Apr 13 18:06 |
| _Hicham__ | that is one of the points of strength of Windows | Apr 13 18:07 |
| _Hicham__ | one package management interface | Apr 13 18:07 |
| _Hicham__ | so u don't have to spend a lot of time figuring out how to deploy | Apr 13 18:08 |
| _Hicham__ | nonetheless, Windows model is crap | Apr 13 18:08 |
| Eruaran | I prefer the Bazaar to the Cathedral | Apr 13 18:08 |
| _Hicham__ | and commercial software in Linux is being deployed the same way | Apr 13 18:08 |
| _Hicham__ | which is not cool at all | Apr 13 18:09 |
| _Hicham__ | personally, I like debian package format | Apr 13 18:09 |
| _Hicham__ | easy to install, maintain and upgrade | Apr 13 18:09 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: that YouTube video I can't watch | Apr 13 18:09 |
| DaemonFC | hmmm | Apr 13 18:09 |
| DaemonFC | you're using real flash right? | Apr 13 18:09 |
| schestowitz | YouTube UK blocks it as though it's copyrighted | Apr 13 18:10 |
| schestowitz | Like in Germany | Apr 13 18:10 |
| schestowitz | As of latee... | Apr 13 18:10 |
| DaemonFC | oh | Apr 13 18:10 |
| DaemonFC | typical | Apr 13 18:10 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Apr 13 18:10 |
| Eruaran | I prefer abstraction which allows for new backends in the future | Apr 13 18:10 |
| Eruaran | PackageKit | Apr 13 18:10 |
| MinceR | windows has no package management | Apr 13 18:10 |
| DaemonFC | PackageKit had to be modified to work with Dpkg | Apr 13 18:10 |
| MinceR | yet alone a single package management interface | Apr 13 18:10 |
| schestowitz | Eruaran: there are attempts to 'reproduce' that | Apr 13 18:10 |
| MinceR | but if you like windows, use it :> | Apr 13 18:11 |
| schestowitz | Like all sorts of mechanisms | Apr 13 18:11 |
| DaemonFC | it had no ability to ask the user what should be done about new configuration files | Apr 13 18:11 |
| schestowitz | Some of which install FOSS on Windows | Apr 13 18:11 |
| _Hicham__ | MinceR : the same is happening to Linux | Apr 13 18:11 |
| schestowitz | That's how miserable Microsoft became | Apr 13 18:11 |
| schestowitz | "We can't beat FOSS, so please -- PLEASE-- don't install it on GNU/Linux" | Apr 13 18:11 |
| MinceR | _Hicham__: which distro is losing package management now? | Apr 13 18:11 |
| _Hicham__ | schestowitz : that is why i said MFC is evil | Apr 13 18:11 |
| _Hicham__ | MinceR : no one | Apr 13 18:12 |
| _Hicham__ | basically, checkinstall does it all | Apr 13 18:12 |
| _Hicham__ | without generating dependencies | Apr 13 18:12 |
| _Hicham__ | This video is not available in your country. | Apr 13 18:13 |
| Eruaran | some dependancies are good | Apr 13 18:13 |
| _Hicham__ | that is what I get on Youtube | Apr 13 18:13 |
| _Hicham__ | Eruaran : that is the problem | Apr 13 18:13 |
| _Hicham__ | there should be some unification | Apr 13 18:13 |
| Eruaran | I don't want a hard drive full of unecessary duplication because everybody decided they didn't want any dependancies so they put everything in their own packages. | Apr 13 18:14 |
| MinceR | checkinstall does one thing: it fails | Apr 13 18:14 |
| Eruaran | and dependancies are a fact of life on all platforms | Apr 13 18:15 |
| Eruaran | Except GNU/Linux package managers actually tell you about them | Apr 13 18:15 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: I tried checkinstall trying to build some Mandriva packages | Apr 13 18:15 |
| DaemonFC | gave up and just used make install | Apr 13 18:16 |
| Eruaran | I'm off to bed... | Apr 13 18:16 |
| _Hicham__ | checkinstall works great on Debian | Apr 13 18:16 |
| DaemonFC | I was trying to build Mandriva RPMs for Sauerbraten | Apr 13 18:16 |
| DaemonFC | Mandriva, Suse, and Fedora won't build it | Apr 13 18:17 |
| _Hicham__ | magic command line : checkinstall bash ${INSTALLER} | Apr 13 18:17 |
| DaemonFC | but Debian and Ubuntu will | Apr 13 18:17 |
| _Hicham__ | I didn't try it on rpm systems | Apr 13 18:17 |
| _Hicham__ | I don't like rpm personally | Apr 13 18:17 |
| DaemonFC | SmartPM isn't bad | Apr 13 18:17 |
| DaemonFC | it also understands DEB and RPM | Apr 13 18:17 |
| zer0c00l | _Hicham__, you heard about delta rpm ? (presto ) | Apr 13 18:17 |
| _Hicham__ | yes | Apr 13 18:17 |
| zer0c00l | _Hicham__, that sounds cool | Apr 13 18:17 |
| _Hicham__ | very interesting feature | Apr 13 18:18 |
| _Hicham__ | we must have delta-deb too | Apr 13 18:18 |
| DaemonFC | DeltaRPM is a bad idea | Apr 13 18:18 |
| zer0c00l | yeah | Apr 13 18:18 |
| zer0c00l | do we have? | Apr 13 18:18 |
| _Hicham__ | DaemonFC : why? | Apr 13 18:18 |
| zer0c00l | DaemonFC, why so? | Apr 13 18:18 |
| _Hicham__ | explain | Apr 13 18:18 |
| zer0c00l | DaemonFC, it saves lot of bandwidth | Apr 13 18:18 |
| DaemonFC | it saves bandwidth but it costs you time while it applies the binary patch and it is also more likely to corrupt something | Apr 13 18:18 |
| zer0c00l | 450 mb updates to 45 mb | Apr 13 18:18 |
| zer0c00l | :D | Apr 13 18:18 |
| DaemonFC | I tried it out and went back to regular RPM | Apr 13 18:19 |
| DaemonFC | maybe they've fixed it | Apr 13 18:19 |
| _Hicham__ | DaemonFC : why corrupt sthg? | Apr 13 18:19 |
| DaemonFC | who knows? | Apr 13 18:19 |
| zer0c00l | DaemonFC, they have integrated it with FC11 | Apr 13 18:19 |
| zer0c00l | it's one of the feature of FC11 | Apr 13 18:19 |
| _Hicham__ | Delta-Rpm contains two numbers | Apr 13 18:19 |
| DaemonFC | well, then it probably means it works well enough that Fedora trusts it now :P | Apr 13 18:19 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: same here | Apr 13 18:19 |
| DaemonFC | it's not new, they were holding back cause of problems | Apr 13 18:19 |
| zer0c00l | yes | Apr 13 18:20 |
| _Hicham__ | but it is feasible | Apr 13 18:20 |
| MinceR | (re checkinstall) | Apr 13 18:20 |
| _Hicham__ | it just have to contains two version numbers | Apr 13 18:20 |
| _Hicham__ | and everything will be fine | Apr 13 18:20 |
| _Hicham__ | the old version number, and the new one | Apr 13 18:20 |
| _Hicham__ | so that we know exactly what files are being changed | Apr 13 18:21 |
| zer0c00l | _Hicham__, i doubt, what if some one tries to update from version 1.0 lets say version 5.0 ? | Apr 13 18:22 |
| zer0c00l | he has to apply all deltas between 1.0 and 5.0? | Apr 13 18:22 |
| _Hicham__ | then, he must use delta-rpm-1.0-5.0 | Apr 13 18:22 |
| DaemonFC | there's only one diff patch that it downloads | Apr 13 18:23 |
| DaemonFC | I think they're cumulative | Apr 13 18:23 |
| _Hicham__ | DaemonFC : it can't be cumulative | Apr 13 18:23 |
| DaemonFC | I don't know how they do it | Apr 13 18:23 |
| _Hicham__ | or, there will be trouble | Apr 13 18:23 |
| DaemonFC | I've never been interested enough to look into it | Apr 13 18:24 |
| _Hicham__ | delta rpms will be used for security updates | Apr 13 18:24 |
| _Hicham__ | for example | Apr 13 18:24 |
| _Hicham__ | take openoffice for example | Apr 13 18:24 |
| zer0c00l | _Hicham__, also for regular bugfix updates it seems ..(I am not sure) | Apr 13 18:25 |
| _Hicham__ | do u agree on the fact that u have to download over 100MB everytime a patch appears? | Apr 13 18:25 |
| _Hicham__ | while with delta rpm, there will be small update | Apr 13 18:25 |
| _Hicham__ | unnoticeable even | Apr 13 18:25 |
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| _Hicham_ | schestowitz : who made the http://linsux.org? | Apr 13 19:16 |
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| Omar87 | Hi all. | Apr 13 19:42 |
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| MinceR | http://tech.slashdot.org/article.pl?s... | Apr 13 19:51 |
| MinceR | the vista7 failure continues | Apr 13 19:51 |
| schestowitz | _Hicham_: I don't know, sorry. | Apr 13 19:59 |
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| schestowitz | MinceR: what's their source? | Apr 13 20:40 |
| schestowitz | I can't find it immediately. | Apr 13 20:40 |
| schestowitz | "Dimensional Research " | Apr 13 20:40 |
| schestowitz | Never heard of them before.. | Apr 13 20:40 |
| MinceR | index.hu had the same news item too | Apr 13 20:46 |
| schestowitz | index.hu sounds like the name of a malicious file :-) | Apr 13 20:47 |
| schestowitz | LyX makes it so much fun (but still slow) writing equations in LaTeX | Apr 13 20:49 |
| schestowitz | The software keeps getting news and powerful features | Apr 13 20:49 |
| schestowitz | Good choice. Steve McIntyre re-elected Debian leader < http://www.itwire.com/content... > | Apr 13 20:50 |
| MinceR | i have more fun writing them with gvim | Apr 13 20:54 |
| schestowitz | Amazon Removes Sales Listings For Gay Books < http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2009/04/... > | Apr 13 20:55 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: are you fluent at TeX? | Apr 13 20:55 |
| schestowitz | Turns out the Intel antitrust stuff is still getting us loads of visits. People learn about Microsoft's dark secrets over time :-D | Apr 13 20:59 |
| schestowitz | If the site can incite hundreds of thousands /techies/ (more influential in this area) against the company from Redmond, then hopefully different choices will be made the world become a safer digital place | Apr 13 21:00 |
| schestowitz | Shoe thrower's sentence reduced to one year < http://www.france24.com/en/20090407-shoe-... >. Better yet, cancel the sentence and sent Bush in for one. Maybe in Guantanamo even :-) | Apr 13 21:02 |
| schestowitz | http://techdirt.com/articles... (Time For A Startup Founder Visa). BTW, MinceR, you're a programmer, right? | Apr 13 21:03 |
| schestowitz | Sob story for sorrowed drunken MSFTers who see the company floundering. Microsoft workers form group to save canceled campus pub < http://www.techflash.com/microsoft/Mic... > | Apr 13 21:04 |
| schestowitz | http://www.sltrib.com/news... ""It can do a lot of bad things," Tueller said. "Every university member should be concerned about this if they're using Windows-based devices." " | Apr 13 21:08 |
| MinceR | well, somewhat fluent | Apr 13 21:08 |
| MinceR | yes, i'm a sw developer | Apr 13 21:08 |
| schestowitz | Can you get along without copying syntax to get along, like cite styles? | Apr 13 21:08 |
| balzac | great news about Muntadar al Zaidi | Apr 13 21:08 |
| schestowitz | Balrog: +1 | Apr 13 21:08 |
| schestowitz | *balz | Apr 13 21:09 |
| MinceR | i've never done citing yet | Apr 13 21:09 |
| schestowitz | Suddenly the juridical system can be seen as tilting toward those whom Bush calls "a bad guy" | Apr 13 21:09 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: template? | Apr 13 21:09 |
| schestowitz | I only use tex when someone provides a strict template (the IEEE for example) | Apr 13 21:10 |
| schestowitz | LyX is easier for kids to use than OOo or MSO | Apr 13 21:11 |
| schestowitz | They should be encouraged to use it at school. It even has a cute logo. | Apr 13 21:11 |
| schestowitz | glynmoody's article was for some reason just grafted here: http://wikileaks.org/wiki/How_to_... | Apr 13 21:12 |
| schestowitz | Video ad winner does Linux no favor < http://news.zdnet.com/21... > <<-- I call it ZDNET lackey//troll. | Apr 13 21:14 |
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| schestowitz | Ken Starks gradually uses the right language: "GNU/Linux and Free Software." http://linuxlock.blogspot.com/2009/0..." | Apr 13 21:15 |
| schestowitz | Oops. URL is http://linuxlock.blogspot.com/2... | Apr 13 21:15 |
| MinceR | i've made my own "template"s | Apr 13 21:16 |
| MinceR | one for my letters, one for letters i type for my mother and one for beamer-based presentations | Apr 13 21:16 |
| schestowitz | Twitter is unhealthy for Windows users. http://opendotdotdot.blogs... "OK, I seem to have regained control of my Twitter homepage, and cleared out the infection." | Apr 13 21:16 |
| silentivm | almost anything is dangerous for Windows users | Apr 13 21:17 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: why not E-mail? I understand that some mothers don't use PCs much.. | Apr 13 21:17 |
| schestowitz | The Andre Da Costa shill seems to be busy asking Microsoft for another laptop | Apr 13 21:18 |
| schestowitz | "My Twitter account has become infected with Mikeyy - ironically because I was checking out whether to block a new follower. Please ignore all my Twitter posts for the moment, especially the last one, which is fake and infected." http://opendotdotdot.blogspot.com/2009/04/... | Apr 13 21:19 |
| MinceR | it's for communication with authorities & such | Apr 13 21:19 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: take the shortcut. steveb@microsoft.com | Apr 13 21:19 |
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| MinceR | he hasn't bought all of hungary yet | Apr 13 21:24 |
| schestowitz | Oh, he's saving his pennies. You bet your Windows on it !! | Apr 13 21:24 |
| tacone | good evening. | Apr 13 21:25 |
| schestowitz | He doesn't need to buy it, either | Apr 13 21:25 |
| schestowitz | Like the Romans or the Germans didn't have to kill all the citizens whose countries they invaded | Apr 13 21:25 |
| schestowitz | You just set up a puppet regime and police | Apr 13 21:25 |
| schestowitz | So Ballmer et al just need to ensure the government is 'in check; | Apr 13 21:25 |
| schestowitz | And Chque | Apr 13 21:26 |
| schestowitz | I.e. sending the education contract/invoices to Redmond, and vice versa | Apr 13 21:26 |
| balzac | People just need to be like the guy who threw eggs | Apr 13 21:26 |
| *tacone throws one more egg to ballmer | Apr 13 21:26 | |
| schestowitz | If something there goes amiss or the authority misbehaves, then Pearly|Sweaty fly over and do some bashing. | Apr 13 21:26 |
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| schestowitz | It's white-collar imperialism. Fought with checkbooks and smear campaigns, not bombs and Long Knives | Apr 13 21:27 |
| schestowitz | Why, Actually, Are They Hiding ACTA? < http://www.computerworlduk.com/communi... > The cowardly press is still hardly covering this. | Apr 13 21:31 |
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| schestowitz | http://linux.slashdot.org/articl... Christian did well to raise the awareness of a changing game. | Apr 13 21:46 |
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| schestowitz | Moody's articles and others are helping the exposition of Microsoft corruption now. Favourite site bar Spiegel, I gather. | Apr 13 22:02 |
| schestowitz | Tajikistan: White ants gnawed the half of houses in northern rayon of the country < http://enews.ferghana.ru/news.php?id=1109 > | Apr 13 22:04 |
| schestowitz | svjn seems to be driving the Microsoft trolls nuts in USENET these days. They compare him to RMS. | Apr 13 22:05 |
| schestowitz | The Register is trying to scare people off of Linux: The Netbook Newbie's Guide to Linux < http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2009/0... > | Apr 13 22:13 |
| schestowitz | And the IDC fools just keep parroting fraudulent numbers about Linux market share in netbooks: http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2... | Apr 13 22:15 |
| schestowitz | "The difference is that the second article mentions a Microsoft product, which always seems to bring out the paid commentors. Microsoft is sort of a cult. People get so uptight thinking that they are going to have to learn a slightly different way to earn a living, rather than feeding at the M$ trough, as if the world will end if Microsoft doesn't dominate everything." | Apr 13 22:17 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.thevarguy.com/2009... (Canonical vs. Microsoft: Netbook Cat Fight ) . The difference is, Microsoft can bribe more of the press/analysts circles. | Apr 13 22:19 |
| schestowitz | IDG spread lots of Linux Netbooks FUD and still does this. Not it takes on Sun. http://www.linuxworld.com/news/2009/041309... | Apr 13 22:26 |
| schestowitz | Memories of the 1930: Germany deletes WikiLeaks.de domain after raid < http://wikileaks.org/wiki/Ger... > | Apr 13 22:28 |
| schestowitz | The REAL war on REAL piracy: American captain freed from Somali pirates < http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Amer... > | Apr 13 22:29 |
| schestowitz | Piracy: not just about copyright infringement anymore < http://www.examiner.com/x-6665-Indi... > | Apr 13 22:30 |
| MinceR | gn | Apr 13 22:32 |
| balzac | Someone needs to speak up on behalf of the Somali pirates | Apr 13 22:32 |
| balzac | I bet all those ships leave plenty of pollution which ruins beaches on the horn of Africa | Apr 13 22:33 |
| balzac | they have a right to tax the traffic and it's not fair to call Somalia a failed state | Apr 13 22:33 |
| balzac | Panama was invaded by Bush Sr. | Apr 13 22:34 |
| balzac | because of the panama canal | Apr 13 22:34 |
| balzac | the situation in Somalia is similar, and that's probably the same reason George Bush Sr. occupied Somalia | Apr 13 22:35 |
| balzac | It's about disenfranchising those who are in a position to express some control over what kind of traffic passes through and to gain something from it | Apr 13 22:36 |
| schestowitz | balzac: well, you won't get the real story in English | Apr 13 22:38 |
| schestowitz | It tends to expose one side of the story because English-speaking journos only get shown/told what stakeholders want them to | Apr 13 22:39 |
| schestowitz | Yuck. She's linking to Microsoft shill and paid advertiser Enderle regarding TomTom again: http://www.itbusinessedge.com/cm/blogs/bent... It's like bad neighbourhood. She should know who he is. | Apr 13 22:43 |
| schestowitz | PetoKraus: Beranger is back to the land of gnus and penguins. | Apr 13 22:47 |
| PetoKraus | is he | Apr 13 22:47 |
| schestowitz | Nothing is perfect and everything breaks if you try to make it break. Every distro I try works perfectly, so I must be doing something wrong. | Apr 13 22:47 |
| schestowitz | PetoKraus: he installs it | Apr 13 22:47 |
| PetoKraus | yeah well | Apr 13 22:47 |
| schestowitz | Must have felt unempowered or underpowered with Winders | Apr 13 22:47 |
| PetoKraus | and i did some DE swapping lately | Apr 13 22:47 |
| PetoKraus | E -> openbox -> fluxbox | Apr 13 22:48 |
| schestowitz | No big ones? | Apr 13 22:48 |
| schestowitz | Well, I guess you use big apps like OOo anyway | Apr 13 22:48 |
| PetoKraus | never. | Apr 13 22:48 |
| PetoKraus | :) | Apr 13 22:48 |
| schestowitz | Qt/GTK... | Apr 13 22:48 |
| PetoKraus | yeah | Apr 13 22:48 |
| PetoKraus | i do | Apr 13 22:48 |
| PetoKraus | E would have been good | Apr 13 22:48 |
| PetoKraus | but they borked it | Apr 13 22:48 |
| PetoKraus | memleak, crashes | Apr 13 22:48 |
| PetoKraus | :( | Apr 13 22:48 |
| PetoKraus | it's sad | Apr 13 22:48 |
| schestowitz | Another man who said he's leaving Linux -- citing Beranger as inspiration -- came back to it: http://blogbeebe.blogspot.com/2009/0... | Apr 13 22:50 |
| schestowitz | I wonder if anyone leaves Linux for WIndows and actually stays there. | Apr 13 22:50 |
| schestowitz | I honestly can't think of any such example of people whom I know personally. The same goes for Macs | Apr 13 22:50 |
| silentivm | I tried to leave Linux once | Apr 13 22:50 |
| schestowitz | Windows can only absorb users who never knew something else | Apr 13 22:51 |
| silentivm | got frustrated with Ubuntu 6.10 | Apr 13 22:51 |
| schestowitz | silentivm: how come? | Apr 13 22:51 |
| silentivm | couldn't stand 10 days without Linux | Apr 13 22:51 |
| schestowitz | silentivm: there are other distros | Apr 13 22:51 |
| silentivm | schestowitz, yep | Apr 13 22:51 |
| silentivm | I then migrated to Mandriva. | Apr 13 22:51 |
| schestowitz | Like Linus asserted | Apr 13 22:51 |
| schestowitz | He defends the large variety | Apr 13 22:51 |
| silentivm | exactly | Apr 13 22:51 |
| schestowitz | He saw KDE 4.0.0 and ran to something else | Apr 13 22:51 |
| silentivm | after using Linux, using Windows was painful | Apr 13 22:52 |
| schestowitz | Windows users are stuck with Vista.. or Vista 'Ultimate' | Apr 13 22:52 |
| silentivm | no matter how much I tried to tweak it, it still was barely useable | Apr 13 22:52 |
| schestowitz | I can't go by without stuff like KPDF | Apr 13 22:52 |
| silentivm | yep | Apr 13 22:52 |
| schestowitz | Which reloads and cgoes to same page when the files are updated, does quick perviews, etc. | Apr 13 22:52 |
| silentivm | I can't go without a real command line | Apr 13 22:52 |
| schestowitz | CMD.exe? | Apr 13 22:52 |
| schestowitz | For "ping" | Apr 13 22:53 |
| silentivm | only for that | Apr 13 22:53 |
| silentivm | even Cygwin felt bad, much like putting a UNIX-like mask on Windows | Apr 13 22:53 |
| PetoKraus | :) | Apr 13 22:59 |
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| schestowitz | Awww god.. they put Microsoft de Icaza among contributors to FOSS.... yeah.. like ms-pl/MS-OOXML contributors maybe: http://www.l2admin.com/linux/10-in... | Apr 13 23:04 |
| schestowitz | Matthias Kalle Dalheimer created LyX?? I thought only KDE :-) | Apr 13 23:06 |
| schestowitz | The next version of My favourite distro gets high praises: http://www.techenclave.com/open-s... | Apr 13 23:10 |
| schestowitz | Technically, GNU/Linux is still a winner on Sub-notebooks: http://blogs.techrepublic.com.c... | Apr 13 23:13 |
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| Goblin | Hi all! | Apr 13 23:14 |
| silentivm | hi | Apr 13 23:14 |
| schestowitz | Troll article, quotes taken out of context: http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/n... thumbs down to INQ | Apr 13 23:14 |
| schestowitz | Hi, Goblin | Apr 13 23:14 |
| schestowitz | Goblins eat trolls... Microsoft trolls | Apr 13 23:15 |
| Goblin | Roy, can I PM you? I have some stuff I want to run past you that I dont want printing.... | Apr 13 23:15 |
| Goblin | since it may give some people the "heads up" | Apr 13 23:15 |
| schestowitz | Goblin: please post here | Apr 13 23:15 |
| schestowitz | BTW, did your buddy Andre mail Steve Jobs? | Apr 13 23:15 |
| Goblin | is it ok to private you? | Apr 13 23:16 |
| schestowitz | Asking for an iScalpel | Apr 13 23:16 |
| schestowitz | Goblin: I prefer not | Apr 13 23:16 |
| schestowitz | I don't think Jobs would respond to Costa this time. | Apr 13 23:16 |
| schestowitz | There are rumours about Jobs now... health news | Apr 13 23:16 |
| Goblin | ah. ok. | Apr 13 23:16 |
| schestowitz | Good Easter today | Apr 13 23:17 |
| Goblin | Does the name: John Obeto mean anything to you? | Apr 13 23:17 |
| schestowitz | For Linux... and other things | Apr 13 23:17 |
| schestowitz | I ought to have gone out tonight... messed up | Apr 13 23:17 |
| schestowitz | Goblin: yes | Apr 13 23:17 |
| schestowitz | He's a shill | Apr 13 23:17 |
| schestowitz | Didn't you read about his MS laptop? | Apr 13 23:17 |
| schestowitz | He got one for free, just like Andre | Apr 13 23:17 |
| schestowitz | He attacks Linux | Apr 13 23:17 |
| Goblin | After a kind email from one of my sources, I have a lead of sorts which may mean something... | Apr 13 23:18 |
| schestowitz | "Tell us about John Obeto, who | Apr 13 23:18 |
| Goblin | I dont want to post it here incase its read by someone, but have you any links on John? | Apr 13 23:18 |
| schestowitz | http://www.microsoft-watch.com/content/desktop... | Apr 13 23:19 |
| Goblin | Ive done a google, but Im trying to coroborate something... | Apr 13 23:19 |
| schestowitz | "While I am on the subject, Tell us about John Obeto, who also got a free laptop from M$. Since you write article's on John's Obeto "just the facts" type website." | Apr 13 23:19 |
| schestowitz | That's from chips | Apr 13 23:19 |
| schestowitz | He reads BN and was in IRC the other day | Apr 13 23:19 |
| schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/2009/01/... | Apr 13 23:20 |
| Goblin | thanks...I remember now...some many names... | Apr 13 23:21 |
| Goblin | is there any evidence though that he is a real person and not a sock puppet? | Apr 13 23:22 |
| Goblin | other than a photo? | Apr 13 23:22 |
| schestowitz | Kernel Mode-Setting Coming To OpenSolaris < http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?pag... > | Apr 13 23:25 |
| schestowitz | Goblin: there must be more bribed bloggers | Apr 13 23:26 |
| schestowitz | I spend some hours on a Sunday googling for culrits | Apr 13 23:26 |
| Goblin | Ive answered my own question... | Apr 13 23:26 |
| schestowitz | Using keywords like "loan windows 7 laptop" | Apr 13 23:26 |
| schestowitz | Or "loaner" | Apr 13 23:26 |
| schestowitz | There's lots more, IIRC. | Apr 13 23:26 |
| Goblin | Heres a wild theory for you: | Apr 13 23:26 |
| schestowitz | IDG's Yerdena Arar and McRacken gave the number away | Apr 13 23:26 |
| schestowitz | 100 or 20 in just one event , IIRC | Apr 13 23:27 |
| Goblin | Andre Da Costa = John Oberto's sock puppet. | Apr 13 23:27 |
| schestowitz | Some might not blog about it | Apr 13 23:27 |
| schestowitz | Goblin: no way | Apr 13 23:27 |
| schestowitz | John Oberto has a site and he's vile | Apr 13 23:27 |
| Goblin | Mmm | Apr 13 23:27 |
| schestowitz | De La Costa like like a schwag-whore | Apr 13 23:27 |
| schestowitz | But not vile | Apr 13 23:27 |
| schestowitz | Not rude, either, AFAICT | Apr 13 23:27 |
| Goblin | CC.Torment? | Apr 13 23:28 |
| schestowitz | Don't know it/her/him | Apr 13 23:28 |
| schestowitz | I saw it in your site | Apr 13 23:28 |
| Goblin | that was beleived to be a Costa production. | Apr 13 23:28 |
| schestowitz | Costa ain't all that | Apr 13 23:28 |
| Goblin | CC.Torment/Nknow and Costa all appear at the same time. | Apr 13 23:28 |
| schestowitz | You overestimate a man who 'speaks' in press releases | Apr 13 23:28 |
| schestowitz | CTRL+V skills | Apr 13 23:28 |
| Goblin | Nknow follows Costa on Twitter, and CC.Torment makes the same mistakes in knowledge as Costa. | Apr 13 23:29 |
| Goblin | if Oberto is vile, then Id say its a good chance that CC.Torment is him at the very least. | Apr 13 23:29 |
| schestowitz | "I believe 9.04 will shape up to be a “killer release"" http://jaysonrowe.wordpress.com/2009/04/12/a-f... | Apr 13 23:30 |
| Goblin | and possibly Nknow aswell who likes to use the name Johnathon Dees | Apr 13 23:30 |
| schestowitz | Maybe the opposite | Apr 13 23:30 |
| schestowitz | There is a real person called Oberto | Apr 13 23:30 |
| schestowitz | "CC.Torment" would be a potential nym of another poster | Apr 13 23:30 |
| Goblin | Did that IP i sent you mean anything to you? | Apr 13 23:31 |
| schestowitz | Nope. | Apr 13 23:36 |
| schestowitz | The CJ I thought about was once here in IRC | Apr 13 23:36 |
| schestowitz | To troll | Apr 13 23:36 |
| schestowitz | He's a Microsoft employee | Apr 13 23:36 |
| schestowitz | Through contract | Apr 13 23:36 |
| schestowitz | Spreads the Mono virus as FOSS turncoat | Apr 13 23:37 |
| Goblin | ah. | Apr 13 23:38 |
| Goblin | I am hoping Mr LaBlanc will respond to me...according to his twitter he has a headache tonight awww. So maybe he will tomorrow. | Apr 13 23:39 |
| Goblin | He "honored" me the other day with a comment. | Apr 13 23:39 |
| schestowitz | Isn't that a MS employee? | Apr 13 23:43 |
| Goblin | Oh yes... Brandon LeBlanc....One of MS's finest... | Apr 13 23:44 |
| Goblin | Ive asked him to justify some of his recession beating tips that he posted on his site. | Apr 13 23:44 |
| Goblin | of course all the tips have a MS flavor and whilst he's busy saving money with MS product, he misses out that FOSS is free. | Apr 13 23:45 |
| schestowitz | These are the Microsoft stooges | Apr 13 23:45 |
| schestowitz | Like Jeff Jones | Apr 13 23:45 |
| Goblin | Im hoping he will respond to my MACattack article. | Apr 13 23:46 |
| schestowitz | Their job is not only to lie but to serve the lies to the press on a platter | Apr 13 23:46 |
| Goblin | I think that MS are more like the Trotters rather than the stooges | Apr 13 23:46 |
| Goblin | "No money back...no guarantee" | Apr 13 23:46 |
| Goblin | A very interesting piece of what type of commenter are you? see page 2 and take your pick! http://abcnews.go.com/Business/... | Apr 13 23:50 |
| schestowitz | What's there? | Apr 13 23:51 |
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| Ziggyfish | schestowitz, nice article | Apr 13 23:51 |
| schestowitz | Which one/s? | Apr 13 23:51 |
| Goblin | Sorry. Should have gone to my twitter....DOH | Apr 13 23:52 |
| Ziggyfish | you latest one - how microsoft (and Apple) wants to own GNU/Linux, in the 'Intellectual' sense | Apr 13 23:52 |
| Ziggyfish | your* | Apr 13 23:52 |
| schestowitz | I'm not sure about Apple, but it potentially could act like Microsoft | Apr 13 23:54 |
| schestowitz | Right now it feed mostly off Windows, as does Linux | Apr 13 23:54 |
| Ziggyfish | yeah, Once Microsoft finally dies. the world will be a better place | Apr 13 23:55 |
| Ziggyfish | Apple, (I haven't done much research into Apple's history though), seems more friendly | Apr 13 23:56 |
| schestowitz | Google is a problem | Apr 13 23:58 |
| schestowitz | Bigger than Apple maybe | Apr 13 23:58 |
