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Re: contrib/non-free policy

Hi,
>>"Milan" == Milan Zamazal <pdm@fi.muni.cz> writes:



Milan> I think it would be nice to have popular (not necessarily the
Milan> most or the third, but popular) non-commercial system.  Why?
Milan> It's much more interesting to me to make things in the spirit
Milan> of "users for users" than "developers for developers".

	Please go ahead, with our blessings. We'll continue to package
 things in non-free, and you can easily derive from Debian. Shaya is
 putting together a group of people to do just that. My only objection
 is if you try to take Debian in that direction.

Milan> I don't understand this: "Take a look, we just become better
Milan> because we removed non-Debian `contrib' directory from our CD!"
Milan> What does it help to free software?

	Look, you don't have to agree with us, (you don't even have to
 understand our viewpoint. But please respect the fact that it *is*
 important to us that we are a "Free" distribution.

Milan> Do you think many copyright owners of packages in contrib
Milan> change their licenses because of it?  Do you think one will
Milan> write GNU Prolog, because SWI Prolog can't be on Debian CD?  I
Milan> don't.

	It does not really matter. The authors of non-free software
 are their own indoviduals (free spirits, we used to say ;-), they
 make their own decisions, and they have their own philosophy. They
 reap their own karma. But we are not them. We have our own take on
 this, and though it would be really nice if they changed their
 licence, I will in no way let them dictate my actions.

Milan> And what does it help to users?  They will be asking
Milan> why package XXX is not in Debian. Answer: It is supported, but
Milan> we don't want include non-FSG SW on our CD.  If you want to
Milan> learn Prolog and you haven't access to ftp, you shouldn't spent
Milan> your $36 (in Czech Republic: $3 CD, $5 contribution to Debian,
Milan> $20 shipping, $8 payment to bank, all together more than 10% of
Milan> average month salary here).  You should buy commercial CD, you
Milan> idiot!  Really nice advertisement for free SW...

	Such is the problem with non-free software (don't you guys
 have mirror in euorope?). Unfortunately, if you want Adobe Photoshop,
 you do have to shell out $$$. Giving in to to the dark side because
 victory prospects looks bleak will never put a photon torpedo in the
 ventilation shaft, Luke.

	If there is no free distribution os even a free OS, I think
 that is a worse PR debacle for free software.

	Unfortunately, one can't be all thngs to all people.

Milan> Well, I think not distributing perfectly maintained and free
Milan> redistributable (but not satisfying FSG) Debian packages on CDs
Milan> could be considered being violation of point 5. of the Social
Milan> Contract. There is nothing said about Official Debian CD there
Milan> and if the decision is to distribute only Debian and not Debian
Milan> very close stuff (read "contrib"), then I apologize and forget
Milan> this article completely.

	Hmmm, I disagree. How can they be free (as Boids) if they
 depend on something in a cage? 

	manoj
 who really should check his blood glucose now

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